Tucker & Steve Bannon on Jay Jones’ Desire to Genocide Republican Kids and the Future of the Right

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31:10Terry Kilgore is the, I think, longest serving, certainly the leading, the top Republican in the Virginia House of delegates. Knows everybody involved in this. Terry, thanks so much for joining us. jay jones who is this guy and were you aware that he was fantasizing fantasizing about genocide when you worked with him no uh he's i served in the general assembly with him tucker and served with him for a few years served with his dad for uh probably 10 years his dad was a great individual we served on courts of justice together and commerce and labor together so no i had no idea that anyone would be fantasizing about killing a Speaker of the House or his two kids who are two and five years old.

31:54It was just, when I first heard this, this was crazy. I just thought, no, this couldn't be true, but it is true. You did see Jay Jones, though, when the blackface scandal happened several years ago, jump up and down about how he'd been the victim of racism. You're from Southwest Virginia, which is overwhelmingly white and poor. This is a black guy or part black guy or whatever he says he's a black guy from norfolk whose dad went to boarding school in princeton both parents are judges he goes to private school and then uva law school he is a child of privilege if there ever was one did anyone when he was going on about how he's the victim of racism ever say hey son you're a rich kid shut up well i mean no that i don't i don't think they did but every democrat at that time every democrat called for ralph northern to resign.

32:42Abigail Spanberg called on Ralph Northam to resign. But switch to today, no Democrat, not one, not a single Democrat has called on Jay Jones to resign. And you know why? Because they lose Attorney General if they call on Jay Jones to resign. There's no decency there. Why are they so focused on Attorney General? But, well, it's the chief, it's the chief law enforcement officer of the Commonwealth. The attorney general has the right to sue or to join suits to join these nationwide suits against the Trump administration that everybody's wanting to go against. That's one of their keys, because that's what Jay Jones has said.

33:24I'm going to be suing Donald Trump. And that's what they want. And that's why it's so important for them to have the attorney general's office. But if you look at Jason Merez, his mother escaped communist Cuba. He worked his way through college and law school. Great guy, Jason Merez. Served with him in the house. He was in the house, and he's just a great individual. he's the republican incumbent he's the repugnant general exactly so this conversation this text exchange happened several years ago and when it happened the republican to him he was texting i don't have any idea what that was about but it happened sent this exchange to the speaker who was being threatened by jay jones whose children being threatened by jay jones did he tell anybody about it did you hear about it then no i didn't hear about it at that time i was majority leader at the time i didn't hear about it to be uh perfectly honest i didn't know anything about it until uh the friday that all this was released and uh uh no i think todd was just handling it you know uh in a way todd normally handled things todd's a great guy good friend uh you know his two little kids are just precious little kids two little boys uh you know in school now but at that time they were around the general assembly all the time everybody uh knew the gilbert uh kids and jay jones would have known the gilbert kids that's what's terrible about this whole situation it wasn't like hey i want to kill a kid who's from another country you would know this kid these kids because you're around the general assembly that's horrifying so todd got it got He got out.

35:05He's no longer serving. Is that correct? No, he's no longer serving. He is now a Commonwealth attorney, assistant Commonwealth attorney in Page County. I talked to him this past week just to check on him. And the bad thing about it is now there has to be police presence where his kids are. And that's what's because they still receive threats. And that's what's bad about this whole ordeal. How is Jay Jones being treated? I know no one's called for him to get out of the race, but this is again, I said at the outset, there are lots of leaked text is an invasion of privacy. So I'm generally against leaking text.

35:43I've been the victim of it. I'm kind of sympathetic to people whose texts are leaked. But this is so unequivocal. The guy she says, are you sure you want to kill the kids? Yes, I am. This is so over the top. How can this guy even have a job in Virginia of any kind? Well, I mean, that's a good point. I mean, you know, this was terrible. By him doubling down, as you said earlier, that just made it even worse. You know, he didn't say, oh, no, I was just kidding. Yeah. But no, he doubled down. She gave him an opportunity. Carrie gave him an opportunity and he doubled down on that after she gave him the opportunity.

36:22So he said what he said, He meant what he said. And I would just like for one Democrat to come out and say, hey, he should resign. He does not need to be the chief law enforcement officer of the Commonwealth of Virginia. How long have you been in an elected office? I've been in the House of Delegates 32 years. And before that, I was the Commonwealth attorney in Scott County for six years. So I've been 38 years of my life. I've been in the public. And as you said, growing up in rural Southwest Virginia, you know, first my brother and I first of our family to graduate from college and grew up in a blue collar family.

37:01you know, we didn't have all these privileges that a lot of folks had. So, you know, it's Southwest Virginia and growing up from down there, you know, you have certain values, you know, as you know, you're in the, you're on the tail end of the Appalachian Mountains up there. So you know how the values are in rural America. They're different. Yeah. Well, I mean, when your dad goes to Princeton as a judge and you're claiming to be the victim of racism when you went to the most expensive school, it does suggest a certain kind of entitlement. Does this give you the creeps a little bit that people you served with are dreaming about killing kids?

37:46I mean, it does. It makes you think. I've never had those dreams. I've never had those thoughts. I mean, why would you ever have thoughts like that unless you really, truly just hated someone you really truly hated someone and this was all about gun control this was a argument we was having about we were having about gun control in the general assembly and that's what some of these uh texts uh were uh related to so you know i'm not going to get mad over anything like that i don't care what the issue is i mean would i be disappointed in certain votes? Yes. But would I get that far along where I'm threatening someone or their kids?

38:25Absolutely not. Common decency, Christian values are not going to let you go. That shouldn't let you go that far. What's the problem with Spanberger? Why wouldn't she, I mean, she stared ahead like a robot, like some kind of creepy bot. Like what was that? I mean, she looked like a deer and I like deer. Come on. I like deer. She looked like a deer in the headlines. I was just sitting there like who in the world told her just to stare i mean you know if if she won't answer for her kids that she wouldn't want her kids to be in this situation is she going to protect your kids that's the that's what i would be asking uh if i was doing some serious i say if she won't protect her kids is she really going to protect your kids and that's a no and what's going on with her soul i mean i know she was a cia officer so that's already a fair question but But but I mean, how could someone like that be governor?

39:17I mean, the polls are tightening. We're seeing a big shift in Virginia. We're watching the polls move our way and we just hope it's been it's quick enough. Of course, we got this early voting, you know, 45 days out, which was I didn't vote for, which is crazy. It's too long because things do change as you know, as we were talking about here today. So we hope that we can catch up. We hope that we, I think Meares has caught up and is ahead. So that's some good news, but, you know, we just need to keep pushing. That's unbelievable. Terry Kilgore, head Republican in the Virginia House. Thank you very much for doing this.

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41:47But there is a theme here. It's unmistakable. Steve Bannon is one of the deepest thinkers on the right, has noticed this, thought about it, and joins us now. Steve, thanks so much for doing this. what do you what do you the jay jones thing seems i'm hard to shock but it does seem like next kind of a next level escalation it's definitely up the escalatory ladder um tucker and as a native virginian it's pretty it's pretty shocking that no one's what's shocking is not so much they thought these horrible thoughts which is bad enough but that no one's come out and condemning. It's been absolute silence.

42:26And of course, the Democrat nominee, it's just a word salad. She can't even explain it. So it shows you how radicalized the Democratic Party's become. But I think people better get ready. It's going to get a lot worse. And I think that's because you saw the Supreme Court today, the argument about DEI districts. You've seen this controversy see over the mid-decade census. You've seen the redistricting fight. We could pick up 21. If you add all that together, I think the Times is saying on the DEI alone, the racial imbalance, I think the Times has us picking up 12 seats, Politico 19 seats. That does not include all the redistricting fights, which is another 21 gross seats there.

43:13And you add in really doing a real census where illegal aliens are not counted. They're never going to take back the House and the Senate. And so you're only going to, what gets me is we're on an arc that they're only progressively going to get more violent. And you can see this in their worship of Mangini, the worship of this, the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk. So I think it's going to get a lot worse. Given that, and I hope you're wrong, but I sense you're not, what do you make of Mike lawler's congressman mike lawler's response and the governing board of the national young republicans organization to these text messages which i'm not endorsing by the way but you know calling someone a retard or these kids should be destroyed like it's an it's an interesting contrast the republicans kind of are very quick to shame their own they'll always fold establishment republicans will always fall on as you know this better than anybody in any fight they're going to fold and they're going to try to be supplicants to the media they're going to be try to be supplicants to the media kind of chamber of commerce big donor attitude that we want to be invited to the parties we want to be in the club we want to have the new york times write nice things about us that's we're we're heading towards a civil war i don't think there's any doubt we look to the indices out there and these are unbridgeable divides right now and getting deeper.

44:45And the Democratic Party is getting more and more radical. Look, everything we're dealing with right now is about illegal aliens, whether it's they want to spend a trillion dollars on their health care, whether they're demanding a census that counts them for congressional racism for Electoral College, whether it's the mass deportations that we're trying to get done in Portland, Chicago, Los Angeles, everything's right. If they don't have illegal aliens, if they don't have a foreign entity in here and folks in here, they don't have a, there's no way for them to put together the votes. They love democracy, but it's just the math doesn't work.

45:20You saw the Supreme Court today. You see these redistricting fights and the redistricting fights are kind of like the kids in this chat room. If we had enough stones and urgency and maximalization strategy, the 21 would already be up on the table, right? We'd be now executing how you do it. We have to do a whole fight about that. So the establishment, because they come up in this paradigm where the established order controls everything, and they want to be part of the established order, and we see that we got here, you know, we've gotten here over 40 or 50 years, and we've won enough times as Republicans, the House, the Senate, the presidency, the country's basically on a cliff of an abyss, and if it hadn't been for Trump, with all his imperfections, the country would be over.

46:06So it's just going to get worse. We're going to always have like this thing in Kansas where they're going to throw people under the bus immediately and cower and be supplicants and ask for forgiveness for people who are not worthy of us asking for forgiveness. And the fight is going to get more intense. The left is going to get more radical. They're going to go up more the escalatory ladder. Look, Manjini's a hero to them. You've got to face, and Mondami, he's a Marxist jihadist that's going to win, I don't know, by 15 points or so in New York City, Sadiq Khan. Everything they have is even more radical than you can anticipate.

46:45It's getting worse every day. They're not being resolved. There's nothing, and it's really nothing to debate. We have this chasm. And to me, it's the problem. The issue I have is that the Trump administration is in Pam Bonney and the crew are not moving quickly enough. They had a thing today in the Oval, which was great about stopping, you know, violence in the streets. That's great. And I appreciate that. But we have to focus on the deep state. We have to focus on taking this apparatus. We only have a short window of time, I think, to be able to do this. And we're not prioritizing it. And we're not hiring enough U.S.

47:18attorneys to focus on it. And we're not getting that. If we don't get that done, these statistics we're putting out and the great job at cash and people and Dan Bonjana are doing about arresting bad guys is not going to matter because you're going to have more bad guys later invited back in by these people. So now it's time to, I think, maximize our own strategy, seize the institutions and move with a sense of urgency. Can you give a couple examples of what you think DOJ should be doing right now? Well, first off, I think DOJ, we've attorneys, I think we've got to go back to the beginning. You have to go back to the election.

47:53You have to go back to January 6th. Look at Nancy Pelosi. There's a young reporter, Alison Steinberg, over at Lindell TV. She asked Nancy Pelosi a question today about January 6th about the National Guard, and Nancy Pelosi turned around, screamed at her from a few feet away, shut up. How can you ask that? They're so sensitive about January 6th, so you've got to go back to the stolen election of 2020. You've got to go back to January 6th. You have to take the whole continuum. you have to go back to the initial, the whole thing on Crossfire Hurricane. You have to put the, you have to adjudicate everything they did and we have to do it in public, even throwing the pandemic in there and the response, the summer of love, all of it.

48:31If to keep this republic and keep it as a constitutional republic, we have to be fair about this. We have to be transparent about it. We have to adjudicate it by the rule of law, but it has to be done. And you see, we're making surprise. You got Comey with a couple of charges on appetizer, John Bolton, you know, maybe with a couple, Letitia James, but it's not good enough and it's not fast enough. And the only way we're going to solve this is U.S. attorneys. I think we're 25 or 30 short is what I'm hearing. There's just some sort of backlog. And you can't depend on a halogen coming out of nowhere and being able to drop a couple right away.

49:06We have to take apart the deep state. We have to do it now in every aspect that's happened over the last couple of years. Charlie's, I know you were at the Student Action Summit down in Tampa. And normally, you know me, I'm running out there, we're at war, and I'm dropping the mic and running around like a madman. I told Charlie before, I said, this is going to be very different. I said, I'm going to go out with what I call the Tampa Resolves. And it is, we have to prioritize everything else we're working on. It has to be to go after the deep state, that combination of national security, intelligence, law enforcement, the Pentagon, its interconnections with Wall Street and big tech, that we have to do that.

49:46If we don't go after that and do it now with a sense of urgency, we're never going to have another shot. This is the time we have to do it. We have to make it a priority. And I said, you're going to find out something. And it's the third resolve I said was, no, do it now, do it with urgency. And the third was, who's ever not with us is against us. This is the best way we can unmask everybody because this is not going to be pleasant. It's not going to be easy. You and I are called, you're called more names than I am, but we're both, you know, by the Tel Aviv Levin crowd, we're called everything, right?

50:19They're going to do more of that because the deep state is also connected with certain of our allies. You have to go do this and you have to do it. It's not going to be pleasant. You're going to get thrown out of your country club, maybe, but if going to save the republic we have to do this now and a part of that you're going to see if you do that the political the escalating political violence of the more and more radical left and quite frankly more and more of the central apparatus of the democratic party is going to be gutted and that's why i think you know president trump i know wants to focus todd blanche talked about today in the oval office it has to happen and it's only going to happen i think if people like you and myself and some others keep saying hey guys i understand you got a thousand things you're working on but we have to start to rank order priorities and this has to be the priority right now for president trump i mean there are so many places you could start but it seems obvious that you would start with the fbi and we now know it's confirmed that there are hundreds of plain clothes fbi agents in the crowd on january 6.

51:23so that changes that that's not crowd control that's That's political subversion. And it kind of confirms what a lot of people have been saying for a number of years now, that there was a fake element to that. There were a lot of sincere people protesting what they thought was the theft of the election, but there were also clearly agitators in the crowd. It was a setup to some extent. Obviously, hundreds of plainclothes FBI agents. And, you know, I almost got fired for saying that a couple of years ago was obvious to me, but now we know it's true. In fact, it's worse than we thought it was. how many fbi officials have been fired for that not i mean you continue to ask how many have been let go i think a handful i don't know it hasn't been enough to register with any type of uh head count that omb is doing or budget the budget increase look i love cash and i love dan bagina cash is like a brother to me but there are two guys hanging on by their fingernails the same with Pam and Todd.

52:25This is why I say the official inside the U.S. attorney, main justice, you need about another 25 or 30 of these prosecutors. You got to get on with it. The FBI, look, I for a long time have said, I think we got to bifurcate. It's too big, too complicated, covers too much stuff. Like the counterterrorism, you got to bifurcate it. I think you put the counterterrorism, first off, you downsize it and you put it in the intelligence part over DHS and you have some reorganization of that. This is law enforcement. I'll be tied to U.S. attorneys. We We ought to have a much smaller federal police force, which this is.

52:57It ought to have a much tighter mandate. We have to have much more control because, look, the scandal of the FBI is twofold. Number one is what they did and the mentality and the organizing principles inside the FBI that made it that you would do it. And it was career enhancing to do it. In fact, you would not think of not doing it. The whistleblowers were a handful. I mean, I'd sit on the worm every day and say, hey, look, you're not going to be able to use the SS excuse that, hey, I was just following orders. We've only had a handful of whistleblowers. And we know from the other day of even getting this information you're talking about and others talking about came from – it's not that Dan and Cash admit we don't control it.

53:37We didn't get the information. This came through a whistleblower. This came through some person that was afraid of getting wrapped up in this. But the FBI to me should be downsized by two-thirds. first off by splitting it up and then going through because remember the second part of the scandal and maybe the more important is that ray baldface lied to people for years and years and years and the oversight it just kind of went over the oversight if we hadn't won and come back from nowhere because they never thought we were coming back right that's one of the reasons they were so blatant we wouldn't know any of this today because congress didn't perform its functions and i might add that this was a republican administration it was president trump's administration And we can kind of control for a moment the apparatus of which they lied to us and there was no follow up on the oversight.

54:22It's just, OK, so Ray was able to kind of worm out of it. It's so deep. It requires to me a you have to go on with a trenching tool and dig them out. And we've got to have cash and Dan's back to do that. We're not doing it right now. And you can't depend upon just a random whistleblower to have a active conscience. You can't depend upon the kindness of others. We have to do this, and it's going to be unpleasant, and the New York Times is going to say you're a bunch of fascists, and the New Yorker is going to say terrible things about you. But hey, who cares? We're trying to save our country right now.

54:54And now we've won everything. If we don't take advantage of every freaking moment because we're burning daylight, this is going to pass. There's going to be all kinds of other issues come up, and we're just going, okay, let's go have another election. It's not enough. We've already wasted months and months and months in this Iran, Qatar insanity, you know, totally unrelated to the United States. Insanity. But also you sort of wonder, like, what's the cost? Not just the financial cost, but the cost in attention and priority. The opportunity cost. Huge. But what is this impulse? You've been in Republican politics really at the center of it for so long where Republicans seem to spend most of their time policing, the leaders policing their members and their voters.

55:37Like, what is that? it's it's the it's the abused spouse syndrome whatever it's by the way the policing is immediate and constant right and almost uh and almost like cromwell i mean the policing is immediate and there's no discussion about how this happened or whatever but for the left you let them get away with the most egregious crime and they know that they know that we're they know that institutionally the party is weak because the party's one not a party of government obviously of individuals, but it's attracted, and you know this better than anybody, just people who kind of want to get along, who want to have people not say bad things about them, you know, and the way to do that is just to go along.

56:22And if we can make some changes on the margin, it would work. If that strategy worked, the country wouldn't be on the edge of the abyss. Even with Trump, we are on the edge of the abyss. And many people are waking up to it. The MAGA base knows it. They got to pitch forks, they're ready to roll. In fact, every day when I do the show, they're blowing me up of, hey, why are we not doing more about the deep state? Why are we not naming names? Why are people out there? Which is great. So we have a voting base of blue collar and middle class people who say, we've had a belly full of this and we want action, right?

56:56And you have still a political apparatus that continues to say, because even Dan Bongino, those guys are police. Look when our people go up to Capitol Hill. They get as tough a grilling by the Republicans oftentimes as they do the Democrats. The Democrats are still over the top. It's insane. But there's still the correction police, the be politically correct is still there and still the mentality of it. The only way we're going to do that is to just take action and get some scalps. And that's why I think you're starting to see through some of these indictments, maybe Bolton, but it's not enough.

57:31And you're not getting to the central apparatus part, which we have to get to. I mean, a lot of the political consultants at the highest level Republican political consultants seem very consumed with knocking off Marjorie Taylor Greene or Thomas Massey. You don't have to agree with everything those people are calling for, but you can't say they're liberal. They're not liberal. I mean, Massey's kind of a libertarian, but he's a lot more conservative than, I don't know, Lindsey Graham or Michael Lawler by any measure. and yet they seem like they're spending 80 of their day trying to find a primary challenger for Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene like what is that is that I mean almost seems like subversion to me they're so look they're so tied to the Israel first money this is what's they're trying to crush Massey out in and Massey's not perfect right MTG I'm very close to MTG she's not perfect She flipped and went with McCarthy, but she's a firebrand, and she's a fighter, and when a fight counts, she's going to be there with you.

58:33Well, and they're both sincere. That's the thing. I don't agree with everything. I do agree with everything Marjorie says, but I don't agree with everything Massey says, but he's totally sincere. He's not getting paid to say these things. He means it, and isn't that who you want on your side? Well, they don't. Look, Lundson, these guys, remember, if you look back up at Capitol Hill, and I know you know the math here, we only have a handful of mega people right if you look in the senate we got maybe eric schmidt maybe josh harley boss from missouri uh in the house we got a handful we got a handful uh and because they look at trump as a passing summer storm it could be bad but it's going to pass and if we just this is why i'm saying we have to have a sense of urgency we're burning daylight they just hope to tap president trump along and they'll get to midterms and then you know 2028 and they'll just Ted Cruz already had a big article in the Daily Telegraph.

59:28He's already putting his team together. I know it's totally random. It's totally random from your interview and that Israel First has to have a candidate since they just got crushed here in the last couple of days. But it is because certain vested interests want people to kind of toe to a line, right? And if you fall outside that, they're going to come after you. And I think that's why it behooves us. Look, Fox just had the first interview, I think, with Domini, right? He gets on there, six minutes. They got a big debate tomorrow night. The only question was about Gaza and Israel. They're asking this guy.

1:00:09With everything else going on and, quite frankly, how he's a Marxist-Shihadist, but he has kind of taken populism and talked about affordability, you think you might want to get in back of the Working Families Party and DSA and how they replicate the Trump turning point war room precinct strategy for ground game for low information, low propensity voters. And this is why they're blowing guys out, because they had no money at first against Cuomo. Now, we're not going to talk about that. We're going to talk about arresting Bibi Netanyahu. You haven't given Trump credit. And what do you think about the Gaza piece?

1:00:42Literally five minutes, the first interview, five minutes, all about Israel. This is just this obsession with it. And when I gave that keynote speech to kind of wrap up the National Conservatism Conference, which has kind of got a strong neocon take on it, I said, to quote T.E. Lawrence from The Seven Pillars of Wisdom, what they told him at the time when he showed up at Cairo's military headquarters, they said, look, the Middle East is a sideshow to the main event, the Western Front. And the Arab revolt is a sideshow to a sideshow. And I said, the Middle East right now for us, with everything geopolitically going on, the economic war, China, and our nation sliding toward a civil war around insurrection with a party like the Democrats have an escalatory ladder of violence, the Middle East is a sideshow and the Israel issue is a sideshow to a sideshow.

1:01:36That's full stop. And you can't let it be the central thing that you revolve around. And I'm a supporter of Israel, and I'm a supporter of the Jewish people. But the Israel-first aspect of this has taken our eyes so far off the ball because they kept saying it's going to tear Magriff apart. It's not going to tear Magriff apart because it's not a big enough fundamental issue to tear us apart. And that's why we have to focus on the time that we have to really take down the central thing that President Trump will be known for. One will be some of this piece on the Eurasian landmass, et cetera. But the central thing, if he can accomplish it, and we must accomplish it on his tour of duty, is the deconstruction of the administrative state and the destruction of the deep state.

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1:04:05Well, if we get the redistricting things, and I think Mike Davis was on the show earlier, and of course the left is melting down this afternoon after the Supreme Court debates, or the Supreme Court today on the DEI congressional gerrymandering districts. if we get a win there and we do the redistricting that is only fair to the American people. If we get those, you could add another 10 or 15, maybe 20 net seats. It'll be quite hard to overcome. If we allow Hakeem Jeffries to either steal seats or win seats and they take over the House, people have to understand the whole Trump revolution comes to a full stop.

1:04:50They will be subpoenas flying the first day. Trump will be impeached in the first three weeks. Not that he'll be removed from office, but they'll go through the whole rigmarole. You're going to have subpoenas flying everywhere. The whole fight every day will be trench warfare against Hakeem Jeffries and these guys to keep our revolutionary movement going to basically return ourselves to a constitutional republic. That's the stakes of these midterms. And that's why I say every person, every governor, and a lot of these governors are not working with us because guess what? They don't want it's like Cox in Utah, you know, was it Pilsen in Nebraska?

1:05:24They don't want to upset the apple cart. They don't have people say bad things about them. So if we get the redistricting, the redistricting is done that are out there to do. And you have a ruling from the Supreme Court that talks about, you know, these are net, I think, times I said 12 and Politico 19. It's a steep hill for Jeffries to overcome. And I think this is a danger also for the country. I think as they see that the democratic process is not going to work for them, that basically the dynamics and demographics of the country, also a revival of, I think, religious – because I think this young generation, 18 to 30s, particularly the men, are the most based generation we've ever had.

1:06:05Yes, for sure. That if this keeps coming, they're not going to be a win at the ballot box. And so they will go to, in a twist on Klaus Fisk, they will go to violence of other means politically when the political process and the democracy doesn't work. Because remember, the people that beat the drum of democracy were the Bolsheviks back in 17. The left uses the same type of language, and people should understand. When they understand that the electoral college has moved away from them, that the House has moved away from them for the legitimate and fair demographics and shifts in the nation, they're going to get more violent.

1:06:42They're going to get more angry, and they're going to get more dangerous. So we have institutions to deal with civil unrest, of course, and one of them is the FBI. And so it seems like it would be a matter of self-preservation. If you're on the side of the Constitution and Heritage America and just like normal people, you would want an institutional law enforcement agency that could keep riots from metastasizing into civil war. So you'd want to make sure the FBI was on the side of the Constitution. No, like immediately. You would, but I think they're – this is what I'm saying. You have an institutional problem there, just not a personnel problem.

1:07:22It's just not a Comey or a Ray. Right, right. There's a deep – there's a deep rot. And why? Because – remember, the traditional Catholics they went after, that's my parish, and my parents were blue-collar people, started a little traditional Latin Mass parish as a spinoff from the Benedictine Abbey back in the late 70s. And these are the people that have eight and nine kids. A couple of people of the kids go in the Marines or the Navy. It's just the salt of the earth. They have no money. It's blue collar. That's the parish they focused on to make this thing over the entire country, that this is where extremism is.

1:07:58And you can't have a more Americana place than this. It's the institution that's rotted. When I was in Danbury prison, some of the most remarkable men I've ever met are these men that are in prison for five, six, seven, eight years for praying the rosary outside of an abortion clinic. That's all they did. They go to prison. And, of course, they have women that are grandmothers in the other prisons. If you look across the board, the FBI, if we think it lost its way under Hoover and we think institutionally it drifted and even in 9-11, it's just had a terrible track record. there's a deep rot in there that's quite frankly anti-american so now when really america you're right would need her need it as an institution most you actually have to go in and institutionally take this thing apart i think bifurcate it get the two law enforcement and counterintelligence and intel out of there and then deal with the law enforcement but still layer by layer you have to take it apart.

1:08:56You have to bring in a new generation of FBI agents, train them up, almost start like Hoover, start it over again, think it through, and then go. Otherwise, you're just putting a Band-Aid on a shotgun wound, and it's not going to work. And I think that that's the mentality. On Capitol Hill, you can see this. There's no budget cuts coming from this. There's no getting the director up there and raking them over the coals about how many personnel have you let go. Let me see the internal reports. We're finding these things out every couple of days from whistleblowers who are getting nervous they may get wrapped up in an investigation but that's that's not good enough that's not systemically going through this whose fault is that i think it's i think it's um like where's mike johnson where's the speaker of the house in this no he's the epitome of what you talk about law he's just he's the personification of we wouldn't have been in this shape with all the elections we won right both at the presidential level house senate we wouldn't have been in the shape if you had men and women of of courage and basically saying i don't care what they say about me i don't care if i'm here for two terms or 20 terms i'm gonna get to the heart of this he's a go along to get along guy obviously and that's the that's the institutional mindset over there it's a kind of a faceless crowd that's why the marjorie taylor greens uh stick out right this is why certain people kind of stick out because they are fire breathers.

1:10:20The Matt Gaetzes of the world. If you if you're a fire breather, you stick out and they want to hammer you down. Right. They want to throw you under the bus. So I think that institution has to be changed. But I think we've got to go after the executive branch institution. So we're not going to have a lot of time and we're going to meet tremendous resistance on this. The deeper one, the FBI is bad as the FBI is, which is terrible. When you look at the intelligence apparatus in the national security part with the Pentagon, because remember, why did we just have a huge win in basically breaking the back of the Israel First people?

1:10:54Because about the Iran-Depersion situation, right? And we now know from the times of Israel, right? Not from the Tucker Carlson show, and not from War Room, not from Breitbart. You now know that the war cabinet's minutes and debate was about a two-year stretch for this nuclear program to really be of danger or kick in. Two years, of which we said all the time, not two days, not two weeks. Yet the CIA, and I say Radcliffe's a guy we ought to bring up and have him testify in front of Congress and grill him. How did he give the president totally different information than Tulsi Gabbard and her team who turned out to be right?

1:11:33And remember, we went for two months and Tulsi Gabbard was thrown under the bus every day. There was a horrible article about her. She's not a team player. She's incompetent. She's overhead. And she got a little bit ostracized there for a minute until people realized, hello, she actually did an aggregate of all the different 17 branches. And she was right. There was no change from her original testimony. It was about two years away or thereabouts, according to the war cabinet of the Israeli government, the Netanyahu government. And it kind of comports to when Brett Baer pressed him up that Sunday night, was saying, hey, why was this so urgent the other day?

1:12:13And then he said, well, you know, we're six months to a year away. That's another bald-faced lie. It's two years. He just debated this the other night. That effort shows us that we have a massive problem in the intelligence apparatus. And that, to me, should be as high a priority as the FBI. You have to do them both. You have to do them now. You have to put a team together to go do it. And the people you put together have to be incredibly tough and incredibly focused. But that's why I think I've been arguing for a special prosecutor for this entire kind of deep state, or at least the conspiracy against Trump in the first term and rolling over to the second term of Clapper and Brennan and all these guys.

1:12:52So it's I think you either do it that way or internally, if you can do it and but hire more U.S. attorneys, cut the FBI down by at least a third immediately, even if you have to give up some things you're working on. Because I think right now that people are saying, hey, look, it's great with with the crime thing you did today. Cash, I feel better. But you know what? President Trump's committed to put troops into the cities and he should if we have to shut this crime down. So let's just start taking the FBI apart. I don't think any one person's to blame. I think it is that there's so much going on.

1:13:25They're so overwhelmed on other topics. We just need to kind of triage this and say, okay, guys, let's think about the end game here. Let's go three years down range. Where do we want to be on these institutions and kind of work back to that to the day? I think you can get great people in there to do it. So you said you think that violence could be coming or is coming, moving towards some kind of national split. There's always a flashpoint that kicks off. Usually it's manufactured. The death of George Floyd, for example. But when that happens, it comes out of nowhere. No one's prepared for it.

1:14:00And Republicans in general, Republican leaders miss what it is. Nikki Haley on the first day of the George Floyd riots cheered on the riots. Many Republicans in Washington reacted to January 6th like it was an actual insurrection. They go along with the lie, and that has huge downstream effects. Will that happen again whenever that flashpoint comes? Certainly. No doubt. Because these are not courageous people. They would rather be supplicants and have approval in the architecture of approval. They would rather go to the side that's going to pat on their head. Here's what I tell people. I gave this talk at Semaphore's, their little Davos they do in the spring, when Ben Smith invited me to talk at one of the guys that wrapped it up.

1:14:57And I said, look, you may not like the populist policies I put forward, economics. You may not like the fact that I push to have a tax increase for the wealthy, right? Because I just do the math and something's going to have to give here. We're just not going to grow our way out of it. But I said, you're going to have a choice. Your choice is Mangini, right? Or really populist nationalism. because this, and this was before Mondami, so now they've got to count two. But the hero worship of that guy, the hero worship of the alleged assassin, and I'm not even sure, I haven't seen enough to believe he's the assassin.

1:15:37I think it's a much deeper conspiracy. But the hero worship by the radicals on the left, particularly the most radical, which may be these trannies, right? There are now basically very disturbed men and very manipulative men. That's who most of them are, right, who are now down on this and want it to be a gunfight. I said, you should watch online and you should watch how they're kind of turned into heroes if you want to see where this thing is going to go. Because it's not going to – with Reddit and these other chat rooms, it's only getting darker. and the more they lose and particularly the more that they see that structurally the country's change and finally with trump and others you've had people that will call that out the supreme court will move on it uh people will do these redistrictings uh that institutionally we will start to at least make some movement there when they see that it's impossible to take back the house or to take back the senate so in electoral college i think it's gonna be very very difficult but even if they take that we would structurally have the house and senate as a check and start to do the deconstruction of the administrative state with Russ Vogt and the team, they're going to get more violent.

1:16:47They're not going to get more—they're not going to embrace some sort of Martin Luther King or Gandhi, you know, the underlying philosophy and ethics of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. They're not going to go—it's not going to be the Beatitudes. They're going to get more dangerous, and you can see this, how they're getting egged on by MSNBC, how they're getting egged on by the corporate media on the left. And so that's where I think we're going to a very dark place. But when you go through hell, let's go through as quickly as possible. And I think we have to stand and face it today so our kids and grandkids don't have to do it.

1:17:24So how should people prepare for that personally, people who have no control over Supreme Court decisions or electoral maps, like a family? How do you prepare for what you think is imminent? Well, I think, first of all, a family ought to be in your daily life. Like, one of our sponsors is My Patriot Supply. Ten years ago, that was looked like as wing nuts, right? It's a tinfoil hat. It's not a tinfoil hat. You look what's happening to the grid. You look at what's going to happen in these data centers, even the water use of data centers. Number one, as a family unit, I think you ought to get to know each other very well and spend time in each other's life.

1:18:03You ought to have set readings and try to do the underpinnings of our culture more and more and more to really nurture the unit of the family. But number two, I think you've got to get ready. You have to think through, not to be paranoid, but to say, look, in modernity, there's going to be a lot of risk. How is we as a unit rationally mitigate that risk? How do we mitigate the risk to our family, to our food supply, to electricity, to our phones and communications. Let's just go through and maybe assign a great task for a 12-year-old. Hey, think this through for us. So assign all the risk out there for the family without being paranoid and go through a risk mitigation exercise.

1:18:43And to leave that thought, is the reason I make everybody comes to work for me watch 12 O 'Clock High. It's a movie made in the 1940s. There's only two films shown at Harvard Business School. And they show this film about organizational behavior and how you change an organization to make it excellent, right? And you just know that this family unit, we're gonna survive and we're gonna thrive, but we're gonna do this right. And I think if you just start doing that every day and make it part, you know, just doing reps like you do in football, make it part of the natural reflex of your family, your family unit, and you take leadership in the family, no matter if you're the husband, the wife, the kids, you take leadership in that, we're gonna be fine.

1:19:24I think, by the way, I feel actually very good. And one of the reasons I look at this younger generation, particularly men, don't want to downplay women, but the college-educated women are so far gone, right, by and large, the left. But if you look at this young generation of men, 18 to 30, they're the most based generation I think we've ever had. And they're coming either with fathers or uncles or older brothers that volunteered for these endless wars and really fought every bit as great as Revolutionary War, the Civil War, World War I, World II, as volunteers in a thankless effort that you might add was pointless too.

1:20:05And I think that that – the strength of that coupled with this kind of base and the return to – I think you're seeing a return to not just Christian values and reading the Bible but an interest in the underpinnings of philosophy and theology for the West. They want to know more about Western culture. They want to know why modernity has outlawed America – basically traditional culture. This is – I consider myself a populist nationalist traditionalist. I don't call myself a conservative, haven't for years, because I think the conservatives are just – they've just acted like pussies. They roll over all the time, and you can't do that.

1:20:42You have to be as hard or harder than the left. And I think, Tucker, I really feel good. I think we have very dark days ahead of us, both globally with the CCP and others, to get sucked into these wars. I think we have very dark days in front of us as a country. But I can start to see the sunlit uplands way, way, way, way off in the distance. and so I'm very enthusiastic of where we are and I think my enthusiasm comes from this young generation who had everything against it the propaganda in the schools the the destruction of their culture the outing of them for everything if they didn't fall in line with the most radical things of sexuality or gender or climate change all these things from the official source they came through it to come through that with a set an apparatus that is so radical trying to either other you or destroy you every day, and they came through that, that shows you we have the basic foundation that we've had from the beginning of every patriot's grave down to the future, and that makes me feel we got this, but we got to get on with it.

1:21:43In the distance, I can see the sunlit uplands. Boy, I'm putting that on my refrigerator. Steve Bannon, eloquent and wise, thank you so much for doing this. Tucker, always an honor and an honor to fight the trenches with You have taken amazing abuse for helping lead this country. Oh, it's incredible. I mean, what I love about it, you're still the same Tucker Carlson. You're a hellfellow well-met. You're a nice guy. You haven't become cynical. You haven't become nasty. And people don't, I think, realize all the pressure under. But you're one of the leaders in this country. And we're getting to a better place.

1:22:22We're getting towards that sunlit uplands because guys like you are at the lead, the tip of the spear in this fight. Well, thanks. Well, my wife doesn't even know what happened, so it's in my house. It's not even real. So funny. Steve Bannon, great to see you, man. Thank you. Thank you, brother. Thank you. Thank you for watching. Here's to the sunlit uplands on the horizon.

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