Tucker Carlson Hosts The Charlie Kirk Show

29:50And I think it is the most important decision they will ever make. And it would always shine through in what he was doing and how he behaved that he really believed that. And well, and I mean, I think and you know this because you were at some of the campus stops. I was at some of the campus stops. 90 % of the interactions as he got older the brand of Charlie was almost cemented in 2018 where he was much younger and he was like a peer to the kids on college and he would say Charlie Kirk destroys the libs or whatever and that was just titling it wasn't actually in Charlie's heart but Charlie by the way didn't determine the titles he didn't want to destroy anybody no behind the scenes that's a social media team that's doing the titling That wasn't Charlie picking the title.

30:38Anyways, but the point is, as he got older, he transitioned to a much more big brother. And people started observing this incredible Herculean patience that he would exhibit in these interactions with sometimes bad faith people, but sometimes people that just had bad ideas. and 90 % if you went and sat there and watched the entire three hour prove me wrong 90 % of it is him being kind and gentle and thought provoking and working through whatever was the lie that was stuck in this kid's head or sometimes professors but he would work with them through it and use the Socratic method to draw out the truth and it was a beautiful thing and you know he doesn't get nearly enough credit for that because the Charlie destroys the libs clip goes It was mega viral, right?

31:29I couldn't agree with you more. I have to say when all that happened to you, I just cannot say how pain, well, you know, because we've talked about it many times, but that was like one of those painful things that's ever happened to me in my life. Because, you know, we have such a tight staff and the same staff. Like I don't have new people working for me really ever. And I don't care to. So that was really, really painful. Oh, go ahead. And I just wanted you to have health insurance. my expectations for you were so low because you had been so mistreated and maligned and slandered and it's just so hard to come back from that the fact that he puts you on the air is possibly a mistake why it was not a mistake but it was that is so wild so i i have an insight into that piece of the story because i was aware of this other job opportunity and i see it now all is like God's plan.

32:24And I was working on kind of a panel show idea, but I didn't have that. It was just like a nugget of an idea. It was back in my head. And I remember kind of just intuiting that in order to like restore this man that had been so wronged by Oliver Darcy or whatever in CNN, these scumbags, I thought, you know, I need to forgive Oliver Darcy. Thank you for reminding me. As we forgive those who trespass against us, He needs to be in my daily rotation. But, you know, and by the way, I saw – I ended up in that moment when we were talking with Blake at the beginning. I looked back at your monologue from that night.

33:02Maybe it wasn't your monologue. Maybe it was the final segment. But you said you really were defiant, and it was beautifully done because you were back – you were part of something and only had so much control at that moment, right? They were bullying me. Suzanne Scott got me. I was in the parking lot of a place. I was in Bozeman, Montana fishing, and she called me, and I went outside to do my pre-show bathroom break, always outside if I can do it. And she called me, and she said, you need to say what he said was wrong. And I said, I'm not doing that, period. And you can fire me, and the show's live in 10 minutes.

33:33I'm not doing that. And she goes, well, I guess I can't make you. And until the day she fired me, she never really talked to me after that. I'm not trying to get into any of that, but I do believe that. Oh, I want to get into it. It was horrible what they did to him. I'm just saying I will. I don't know where to go with that. I will say, Tucker, this is awkward for me. Sorry, sorry, sorry. No, no, no. Sorry, sorry, sorry. No, I would just say that I think this moment has profoundly changed all of us, including people like Suzanne. And I just want to say briefly for what it's worth, she's been exceedingly wonderful and kind.

34:09No, I shouldn't say that. And we all change, and I've done crappy things, a lot of crappy things in my life, so I shouldn't be judgy. But to your point, your hands were tied in that moment. And you defiantly said, I remember you said, I just want everybody to know that you are gloating over a young man's life being ruined and shame on you. You basically, I'll never forget that. And I remember thinking, okay, like if Tucker's got his back in this moment, this guy's pretty great. He's the best. Yeah, and he's been the best. And I love having blood on our team. They came out of nowhere, man. I'll never forget that.

34:39I'll never forget that as long as I live. But anyway, the point is whatever. And I shouldn't even have brought up the Fox. Exactly. And by the way, and now look at this. This show is going on. Erica Kirk has demanded that the show goes on. And we're going to figure out the details. And Blake is going to be critical to that. And if we hadn't have created this roster, this thought crime crew that we do on Thursdays, I don't know what we would do. But it takes the bravery of an individual to get there. So like everything is fine now. And Blake can do whatever he wants. and people know who he is because they get to see him and they can make their own judgments about him.

35:11But when Charlie made that decision, and he's the one who would have been blamed if it had gone wrong, people didn't know who Blake was apart from what they read in the New York Times, slander devised by CNN and Oliver Darcy. That's a fact. And not helped by a lot of other people who I shouldn't be attacking you, right? Sorry about that. But he's the one who allowed Blake's life to continue. And I just, I felt it so strongly because I've been, that's my world. Like, I know what that is. All these people are like, well, you know, you can't put him on air. Like, he did bad things. I heard that. And Charlie was like, he was willing to stand up and say, no, that's not true.

35:48Like, most people are not going to do that. No one will do that. And I remember the nasty articles. There was a few. And Charlie would just write back, LOL. So that's courage. In case you're wondering what courage is, that's actual courage. And you know that it is because it's so rare. Nobody does that. If people do that, who are they? I live in this world. Like, I know every single person hosting every single show, and they don't do that. And he did that. And so that's what actual courage is. Courage is standing up for what is true in the service of other people, in the service of showing love to other human beings.

36:23That's the commission that we get from Jesus, period. And he actually did that at great risk to himself. And anyway, I've had like 50 text exchanges about this all week ago. up. Anyway, bless you, Blake, for being at the center of that. Thanks for standing with us. Thank you. Thank you very much. Genuinely. Can I say something that you told me that the night of that blew my mind? Go for it. Go for it. We're bringing Blake to the brink here. We were in Provo the night of.

36:56And it was like we were all shell-shocked and Blake was there with them when it happened. And we filter in late at night into this little like corner of the restaurant the hotel in salt lake city and i don't know how it came up but blake says the most i will never forget it he said charlie gave me my life back yep and i i knew exactly what he meant and now i think the audience does too. Amen. Our dear friend's seat remains open with the golden EIB microphone in front of it, his hero Rush. It's pretty amazing. And so Tucker, this is the Tucker show for Charlie. And so I think it's important that I get to ask you a question.

37:49Okay. When did you meet Charlie? And tell us about how your relationship with Charlie grew, because I think it's fascinating. So I met Charlie when he was a teenager. He was connected to, funded by a close friend of ours called Foster Freeze, who's a wonderful man from Wilmington, Delaware, really from Wisconsin, but lived in Wilmington and then Jackson, Wyoming, and was an investor in a company that we had. And more important, like an actual friend, really the only investor I've ever had in anything. And a very enthusiastic Christian man. and the kind of person who was just a collector of people.

38:25You know, I met this person who was so enthusiastic and almost everybody around him was just wonderful. But because he was so rich and so generous, he did collect, there were phonies in the orbit because there always are when someone's rich, right? And so he tells me at dinner about this kid he's met. He's only 18. He's not going to college. I've always been opposed to college my whole life. I tried to convince all my kids not to go. I mean, I really meant it. And so he's like, you would love this guy. He's not going to college. and I was like man I love that because I really am opposed and I mean it and um I'm like he sounds great and he's like and I'm thinking oh man some fast-talking kid has configured I was like throwing back Reagan quotes or something at poor Foster you know he was in his 70s and like late 60s and he doesn't know and I really thought assumed that Charlie was just some predator and I didn't like it at all and of course there's the bias against young people I mean Charlie's literally the age of one of my children so like uh and i felt this probably is totally conventional telling old people what they want to hear sucking up to the donors whatever so i meet him i thought he was smart as hell but i was very skeptical then i have this uh he calls me would you do an event sure i was going to be in the state anyway so i do it and we have this kind of sort of debate not really a debate well what actually happened was i was going to give a speech and i got there we were backstage he's like well actually let's just do a q a and i was like i don't know son i don't think you want to do that with me because i'm kind of a jerk uh you know which i am in those settings right so he's like no no i want to we we can it's okay to have a debate i was like i don't know man like i disagree with your views on economics and forum policy and i'm pretty hot on these topics so i'm just letting you know that oh no problem at all so we end up having this kind of intense thing and i'm like passionately opposed to marijuana and drugs i'm just having used a lot of drugs as a child like i'm very opposed to drugs charlie never used any drugs in his whole life and he was at the time he was kind of libertarian on the subject and i remember saying everyone in the crowd is for weed like you think you're so cool but actually it's a control device designed to make you passive and accepting of the system that's destroying you and people kind of booed me or whatever but Charlie looked at me like I think that may be right and that it was that issue it was weed of all issues you know it's not my top issue but I do feel it really strongly I hate marijuana okay and I know it's really cool but no it's like fully corporate actually and it's wrecking Americans especially boys it's wrecking the parking lot of the grocery store nearby it makes me feel like getting my gun like I really feel that way about it.

41:08Sorry, I shouldn't say that, but I really am mad about it. And Charlie grooved with that. And that moment set off this like conversation. So I was back, I was in Arizona for something. He's like, let's go to lunch. Let's go to dinner. And we started having all these really intense conversations and start putting him on Fox and his views were changing. And mine were too, by the way, it's not like I converted him. It's like I had been all kinds of embarrassing things during the scope of my long life, a libertarian, a self-described neocon. Can you imagine? I mean, I'll admit it. I like got mad at Alex Jones for asking questions about 9-11.

41:40What? Like I was like a horrible person or very close minded person. I was totally wrong about everything. And so I didn't judge. Like you should change your mind as the evidence changes. The things you thought were going to work didn't. An honest man asked himself why they didn't work and what might work. Like that's the process of adulthood. And Charlie, young people are very inflexible about what they believe. I have found, and I have a lot of young people, I have a lot of children. He was one of the only young people I've ever met who was like, oh yeah, I think I was wrong. And only belief in Jesus allows you to say that, because you know that you're not judged.

42:18You know that honesty is the ticket, and that if you pursue an honest path, you'll be okay. And you don't need the adulation from the crowd. You don't need the love of strangers to feel good about yourself, because you know that you are loved. It gives you true freedom. And he had that. Charlie had no problem at all getting up and being like, I was a neocon. And of course, with me, he didn't because he knew that I was too. I'm like cheering on the Iraq war, which I did. Like I literally did that. And I'm ashamed of it, but I'm also proud to admit it because I think that it's important to let people know that you can admit being wrong.

42:53It's okay. It's all right. We're people, we're not gods. You can be wrong. I want you to know, Tucker, that that must have gone deep because Blake can attest of all the fringe issues that he knew he was on the unpopular side, he was very, very vehemently against weed. No way! Oh, he went hard on it. Yes. I think you really got at it where, one, he was totally unafraid of being in a huge minority on an issue and being frank about it. People would ask and they'd ask him about abortion and he'd be like, look, you know my position on that is a tiny minority in the united states and i'm going to keep trying anyway and he'd say that on you know gay marriage where the polls would say you know a big majority support it and all of that um and at the same time yeah the zero uh like shame about if he had to change his views you see that so often with politicians well actually that was a different situation you know i voted that way because you know it wasn't like that and he'll just be like oh no i was wrong i you know i hadn't thought about this but you can't be controlled if you So this is how the media control politicians.

43:57They find some clip of the politician saying something different 10 years ago. It's like, well, it was a different country 10 years ago. He would do that. We would see these clips, you know, these really like – they'd be like, look, here's Charlie defending this issue. And I would be like, ah, Charlie, they dug up that old clip. And he goes, oh, yeah, that was back when I was a cuck. Oh, 100 percent. But there's no shame in that. And Charlie's example of admitting the truth about himself in public is the most edifying and important thing you can ever do because it shows people you can take the leash off and you can live in freedom because you know you're loved.

44:34You can tell the truth. We're all going to die anyway. This is the deepest truth. And your job is to be honest and to be loving to other people. Okay? That's your job. Only belief in God allows that. and once you do it, it's like it's not only fine, it's great. It's actual liberation. You said that, I remember, at the first AmFest when you came back. So you had the debate and then you came back. The unplanned debate. I remember feeling so honored that you came back. It was our first AmFest and we really needed somebody of your caliber and your, I'm going to say it, your fame, the weight that you held in the movement, especially, I mean, it was an honor to us to have you there.

45:22Oh, I was so excited. You came out the first night and you just said, let me say a few words about Charlie. He's willing to change his mind. He's willing to adapt. And I knew that was your subtle nod to people who might have judged you. Maybe you weren't even thinking that, but it felt like it was at least saying like, listen, I know some of you think Charlie's a certain way. Let me tell you, from that 2017 or whatever, 18 debate to now, I think it was 2021, like a couple years had gone by since we'd had you back. And then we, you know, you've been back ever since. But it was, it's so important.

45:55I just can't say it enough to be honest about yourself. It's very easy to be honest about everybody else. Oh, you're fat. I don't like your dress. Like, that's super easy. It's very hard to be honest about yourself. Like, I'm fat. I'm wearing an ugly dress. Like no one wants to admit that. But once you do, the fetters are off and you are so free. And Charlie just lived that. I feel like that's almost one of the most important things is to admit the truth about yourself. And then no one can control you. What can you say about me that I won't readily concede about myself? Like nothing. And then what are you going to do to me?

46:32You know, nothing. Oh, it's amazing. I read that poem a week ago about Charlie, and I always think about that other one. It's a much more famous one, If, by Rudyard Kipling. Yes. And it really does just perfectly describe Charlie. If you can speak with kings but not lose the common touch. Exactly. The one that ends the poem, which you don't hear quoted as much. No, I read it. If you can fill the unforgiving minute with 60 seconds distance run, or something like that. I might be getting that wrong. But he really did encapsulate everything of that poem about what it is to be a true man, to be a true adult, to be a heroic figure.

47:20Yeah, you want me to read it? Yeah, go for it. Yeah. Okay. If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you. Yeah. If you can trust yourselves when all men doubt you. Exactly. yourself, but make allowances for their doubting too. If you can wait and not be tired by waiting or being lied about, don't deal in lies or being hated, don't give way to hating and yet don't look too good nor talk too wise. If you can dream and not make dreams your master, if you can think and not make thoughts your aim. If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat those two imposters just the same.

48:06Exactly. If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken, twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, or watch the things you gave your life to broken and to stoop and build them up with worn out tools. If you can make one heap of all your winnings and risk it on one turn of pitch and toss, and lose and start again at your beginnings, and never breathe a word about your loss. If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew to serve your turn long after you are gone, and so hold on when there is nothing in you, except the will which says to them, hold on. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, or walk with kings nor lose the common touch, if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, if all men count with you but none too much.

49:04If you can fill the unforgiving minute with 60 seconds worth of distance run, yours is the earth and everything that's in it, and which is more, you'll be a man, my son. It's incredible. and the line that jumps out to me which is the truest and everyone I think understands it at some point if you can treat triumph and disasters those two imposters the same they are imposters actually because you know I'm not trying to leach the meaning from the human experience it is meaningful but it's not it's not the real point actually and there is a sense in which this is it just stands out to me how many of those things we just referenced in the past hour being lied about don't deal in lies That's the one thing that I kept thinking about.

49:48If you can wait and not be tired, or being lied about, don't deal in lies, or being hated, don't give way to hating. And, you know, how many times... But winning is the real trap. Winning is the trap. That's where men destroy themselves. That was, he and I talked about that recently, all the time. Well, yeah. Winning is when you decide that you're God. That's the David moment for most men. Surviving triumph is the real trick. and so few can do it and he could. I think. It's a beautiful, thank you for bringing that. Actually, Blake has brought two poems to us this week. I am the egghead. I mean that one from World War I.

50:31What was the name of that poem? For the Fallen. For the Fallen. Blake can read poetry in a very heterosexual way, which is amazing. Are you saying that I just did it in a non - No, no, no, no, no, no. That was so straight it was unbelievable. I'm just saying, you don't meet a lot of guys are like, I want to share some poetry with you. I've never been accused of an unblemished record of heterosexuality. And, you know, it's funny. I'm stealing that line from Charlie Kirk. He would always say I have an unblemished record of heterosexuality. I'm Andrew Colvitt, the executive producer of this show.

51:00I'm joined by Blake Neff, another producer on the show. And, of course, the wonderful, the great, the legendary. And, Tucker, you don't get enough credit for something. I should have finished it. The Tucker Carlson. But you don't get enough credit for something. I just want people to understand that, Tucker, I mean, I've seen you backstage, I don't know, more times than I can count now. And you are the exact same with the guy who's taken out the trash as our PAs and our assistants and the people in between as you are with Charlie or me or Blake. You are the exact same human. And I really want everybody to know that about you because you wouldn't say it about yourself.

51:38You treat everybody. But I can't tell you how many times that has occurred to me because I'll be needing to drag you somewhere where you need you to go. But you're deep into a conversation in the corner with, you know, the assistant. Like I don't even know that I necessarily do the name of the assistant because we have so many employees around. And you would just be like engrossed in this deep conversation. And I would feel bad, you know, oh, I got to grab Tucker. He's got to go on stage in like five minutes or something. And I love that about you, man. And I just want the world to know. Well, thank you.

52:09No, I mean, I love people and, you know, God created everyone. But it's also true that I grew up in rich people world back when it was an egalitarian world. It's one of the main changes in my country in my lifetime is that rich people are not egalitarian anymore. But I grew up, you know, in an affluent family around rich people. And, you know, the housekeeper comes to Thanksgiving dinner, period, period. And that's a wasp thing. I'm just going to say it out loud. That's a wasp thing. And that's gone. But we felt that very, very strongly. And I just think that's right. You know what? It's not gone because we still believe it.

52:42And you still believe it. I really believe it. I really believe it. I'll just say one thing. Everyone hates the Wasps, and I beat up on them constantly. But in the club that I spent my life at, I don't even know if they're clubs anymore, but the only thing you could do to get booted from the club was to be rude to the staff, period. You could be drunk. They're always drunk, of course. You could be, you know, whatever. You could say anything. But if you were rude to a waiter, you were gone. I mean, they wouldn't even have a hearing about it. Because so deep was the culture on that question. It's that you, we are all underneath it all the same.

53:14We were all created by God. We have different aptitudes or languages. We're very different in a lot of ways, but fundamentally we're all going to stand alone before God. And that was the idea that spawned the democratic republic that we grew up in anyway. That's the core idea of America that is never articulated anymore. We didn't have fast track at Disney World when I was growing up. And I still feel that way and I'm married to a chick who really feels that way. I mean, really feels. You get married in my family and the guy who cuts her grass is coming to your wedding, whether you like it or not.

53:44Like that's the rule in my house. I love that you're saying - I'm not saying that to make myself sound virtuous. It's just like that is something that we have lost and we have to fight to regain that. And all these like little fake aristocrats flying around in their planes, it's one of the reasons I really am upset with them is because they've forgotten that specific thing. Charlie wanted better elites. Oh, yes. And, yeah, I mean, you model it, and it's not gone because we're talking about it right now, and maybe we can bring it back. In the spirit of actually doing a show, we have a— Sorry, it's like one of my obsessions.

54:21I have this great clip that I can't wait to share with everybody, but we're going to bring in Frank Turek, who cross-talk. He was with Charlie on the day. Charlie, he would go to Frank with ideas of apologetics and how to argue for the faith and contend for the faith in the public square. So, Frank, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show with Tucker Carlson, the great Tucker Carlson with us. Hey, I just want to piggyback on something Tucker just said. The only worldview that agrees with what Tucker just said is Christianity. You know, in Hinduism, there's a caste system. In Islam, if you're not a Muslim, you're a second-class citizen.

55:01In the secular world, there's no way to ground these moral values and the moral worth that every individual has. The only worldview that does that is Christianity, and that was the worldview that Charlie and everybody here at this table right now wants to demonstrate is true and try and persuade young people to follow. I love that you said that. I think that that is indisputably true. I think it's provable. You know, the founding documents still exist. We know what the people who wrote them were thinking, and they were informed by a culture that is a product of Christian civilization, period. Western civilization is Christian civilization, and I'm not against other religions, by the way.

55:49I don't follow them, but I'm not mad at them. I'm just going to want to say that. I'm not. I know a lot of great people who are of different faiths, but Christianity is unique in that it's true, and it's unique in that it believes that every person is at least potentially chosen by God. Every person. And the whole New Testament is that story, by the way. And so Christians feel that deeply. The cultures that they create reflect it, and I grieve its passing, and I pray for its return to our country. Well, ironically, Tucker, Charlie's martyrdom might be the turning point to bring it back. I don't know.

56:29Well, you do know because you're seeing what's going on at TPUSA right now. Yes. How many people want to start TPUSA chapters? What are we up to now, Andrew? Is it 62 ,000, something like that? Yeah. I mean, it's growing by the minute. So it's probably, let's just say approximately 65 ,000. Whoa. We had 2 ,000 before that. I mean, I'm seeing people online on some YouTube videos that have to do with Charlie, some of my own YouTube videos. They're all over the world. There's people in Denmark going, you know, I was an atheist, and because of Charlie Kirk, I'm a Christian now. Australia, same thing.

57:09London, same thing. This isn't just in America. This is happening all over the world. and so i want to commend every one of you for uh advancing the cause that charlie so uh was so near and dear to charlie's heart in a time of mourning it's got to be so difficult andrew and blake especially to uh to continue on but charlie would want it and that's why we're all here right now Well, and Frank, I, you know, bless you. I know you've had to deal with the conspiracy theories and the, you know, why'd you touch your hat at this time? Because, you know, that wretched video. I mean, but bless you, brother.

57:54I just want to be a character reference for you. And Charlie loved you so much. You were always there for Charlie. and I know how much he leaned on you for apologetics and for thinking through these deep issues. When he was on Bill Maher recently, you've meant so much to him and your work at Cross-Examined. You are a dear brother and a dear friend, and some of that garbage, I don't even paid any heed, but I know you were there the day that it happened. I know this has been terrible for you too, and you've had to deal with all this garbage, But, you know, God bless you. And I'm sorry that that has been something in your experience.

58:37Thanks, brother. I mean, that's that actually hasn't bothered me all that much, to tell you the truth. I just think it's so colossally stupid that if somebody wanted to shoot somebody, they need a guy standing 25 feet from him to signal, hey, get him. He's the guy. I mean, he's it makes absolutely no sense at all. so uh it was just a terrible day but we all did the best we could to try and help and save charlie and then once we couldn't all we could do was take erica's lead and your lead andrew and mikey's lead because you were all there to march forward and and take his legacy to new levels and lord willing And that's what's going to happen.

59:22Well, Frank, you're going to be a key part of that. And, you know, I joke with Erica. I'm like, Erica, he left us all the keys. He had all the people that we needed, all the reference points, all the true allies, not the snakes, not the grifters, the true people. And you are a true man. And you have great character. And you have great heart. And you've been a great friend to Charlie and to us. So, you know. Thank you, brother. as you have to me. I wish I could say it a thousand times over. Thank you. But let's just do whatever we can to advance this legacy now. And that, you mentioned it, Erica, and me and Tucker were just talking, we want to talk about Erica a little bit here.

1:00:05And so we have to go to a radio break, but we're going to keep going for the stream. And so hang right there with us. The great Tucker Carlson, Charlie's dear, dear friend, is with us, and we're so honored. I know that a lot of stuff going on online I've checked out, actually. Just want to say that because it's too upsetting to me. I know it's extremely upsetting for you guys since you're way more in the middle of it than I am.

1:00:32But obviously you need a fair, impartial, well-explained investigation that assures everyone the rule of law lives in the United States. I think it's essential, and I hope that we get it. I think we're going to have to push for it. We should push for it. But as to what happened, again, totally fair in my view to ask sincere questions. but I think it's important to remember the big picture, which is whatever happened, it was a species of the same phenomenon, which was the fight of evil against good. And his murder was an attempt to extinguish the light period. And it, it didn't work. Like that's the main thing to know.

1:01:06There are lots of things I want to know. And again, we have a civil system that has to go through a process in order for this government to continue or any government. It has to be transparent and motivated by good faith. And it has to try to affect justice. That's a key, and I don't think we should blow past it. However, again, big picture, this is light versus dark, and you feel the darkness all around us. It comes in many different forms and many different guises. These are disguises, okay? But what it really is is the age-old, you know, it's the Lord of the earth. It's Satan. Sorry to say that.

1:01:40It is. Deliver us from the evil one, I think is the actual translation in the Lord's Prayer. And the evil one is all around us. but Charlie's murder is a reminder that we are surrounded by God and God's protection and God's love. And that is so obvious. The light has not only not been extinguished, it's glowing brighter. I hate like dumb metaphors like that, except this one is totally real. And so we should, or I speak for myself, I'm going to focus on that. I'm going to focus on the big picture while demanding a precise accounting that is legitimate but i'm not going to get so caught up in that stuff that i miss the true message which is forces of darkness tried to extinguish the light and not only did they fail their effort was counterproductive that is the truth

1:02:33Frank, I was just sorry. I got I was in sort of wrapped by what you were. Sorry, I felt that I felt it coming up. I couldn't keep it down. It was beautiful. I was looking for somebody else to respond here quickly. Let me let me mention something related to that. You know, our mutual friend James Lindsay had a text exchange with Charlie. In fact, he sent it to me the other night because I was speaking at a university here in North Carolina on one Wednesday night. about Charlie, and I related this story. And let me just read you what James sent to Charlie and what Charlie sent back. Very astute response by Charlie.

1:03:13James said, and this is August 24th, 2023, communism is by far the best evidence in support of Satan's existence. Charlie writes back 100 percent. And then the next text, he writes back, if there is a Satan, then there is a God. And James writes back, that would follow. So evil actually shows that God does exist, not that he doesn't, because there'd be no such thing as evil unless there was good. And there'd be no such thing as good unless God existed. Because in any objective sense, the only way you can define good is God's nature. Otherwise, everything's a matter of opinion. You couldn't say murder was really objectively wrong unless there's a standard of objectively right that we're all obligated to obey.

1:03:56And what we mean by that is God's nature. And as Tucker pointed out earlier, our founders understood that we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men were created and endowed by their government. No, it doesn't say that. Endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. So if evil exists and it all that we all know it does, we saw it eight days ago, then God exists. Well, and that is honestly the way that a lot of us were convinced of the reality of God was by being forced to acknowledge the reality of evil. I can say that for myself. My wife, who's like the person who keeps our family text chain grounded in the truth, sent a verse this morning that basically said that exact thing.

1:04:39And there are a number of them throughout both Old and New Testaments, as you know better than I. but that say that God will use evil for his purposes and that he will reveal himself through sadness as well as joy. And that is practically true. It's not even a theoretical concept. It's a living concept for those of us who concluded just on the basis of the evidence that these were not political differences, actually. These were not political phenomenon. These were a bunch of different things. I won't get specific, but you know what I'm talking about. This is the face of evil, and that brought us to the reality of God.

1:05:10It's like wild. That actually happened. It happened to me. I want everybody to know, and I know, Blake, you've been contemplating this too, but Charlie was willing to give the very last measure of his effort and his life. He really was. And he said it multiple times. And I think the first time he said it on stage, it wasn't something that was planned. It came out of him naturally. And Erica heard it. And Erica was like, be careful when you say that. Please, you know.

1:05:47And that's really powerful. But he said it again and again. He said it on a Lance Wallnau show, I remember one time, saying like, you know, I mean, and he was very aware of the story of Stephen. He was very well aware of the prophets. And he was very well aware that people that wanted to hurt him. And it never stopped him. And I think we need to remember that. When we think about evil and we think about, because death, where is your victory? Oh, death, where is your sting? It's the last thing that, you know, it's like you said, they tried, they meant it for evil, but the Lord is taking it and he's turning it to good and for the saving of many lives.

1:06:33And I always was caught by that wording in the scriptures, the saving of many lives. Obviously, he's talking about the Israelites in that instance, but as we contemplate it for our own moment, the saving of many lives. And I think about all these baptisms and all these reports of the churches being overflowing across the country. We didn't riot, Tucker. We didn't burn businesses. We didn't tear down windows and doors. We prayed. Of course. And that is the biggest, most amazing testament to the character of Charlie Kerr. But it's also the nature of, or it has been my experience anyway, I'm not a theologian, But I just will say that I've had many moments, especially in the last 10 years, where, boy, you can feel it around you, like for real.

1:07:17You can feel the menace. You can feel the hate. You can feel the threat. It comes out of nowhere. I've had a couple pretty intense experiences with it, very intense. And they are followed invariably by the peace of God, by the Holy Spirit. And you know that God is using this moment for your benefit, your edification, and your joy. That is true, that out of tragedy... And it's such a cliche, and it's such a kind of syrupy, hallmark, false assurance on the surface that I hesitate even to say it, but I've just lived it so much. I've lived it so much. That is absolutely how God has communicated with me in my life, like directly, is by contrasting his presence with the evil that you feel around you.

1:07:57And so it is, in a weird way, in the middle of tragedy, like a true blessing. And if you see a loved one, you know, we all go through this as we age. I've been through it a lot recently where someone you really, really love dies. And then you're just filled with this sense of the presence of God that's absolutely real. It's not, you're not manufacturing it. It's not like an immune response or something. It's like a presence from outside coming into you. And I think the whole country feels it or the people who are alive to it feel it now strongly. In fact, the greatest evil of all time, the sacrifice of Jesus, has led to the greatest good.

1:08:34Yes. Without the sacrifice of Jesus, we'd all be dead in our sins. But Christ was sacrificed so that our punishment could be put on him. And when we trust in him, we're not only forgiven, but we're given his righteousness. You know, there's a misunderstanding among some. They think, in order to get to heaven, I've got to be good. No, no, no, no. There's nobody good enough. Jesus said there's nobody good but one, and that was him. In order to get to heaven, you need to take his sacrifice and apply it to yourself. You need to take the punishment that went on him, and you trust in him to get that forgiveness because your punishment was put on him.

1:09:17And then by trusting in him, you're not only forgiven, you're given his righteousness. So good works are a result of Christianity. they're not the cause of christianity the cause of christianity in someone's life is to trust in what christ has done and out of love for what christ has done then you'll do good works by the way i'm really i'm really struck by a quote from peter kreft who said this about what evil can do in our lives to help us become more like christ he said this he said the point of our lives is not comfort, security, or even happiness, but training. Not fulfillment, but preparation.

1:09:54This world is a lousy home, but it's a fine gymnasium.

1:10:01Well, Frank, I just want to say again, I know you've got to catch a flight here. So God bless you, my friend. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for being such a rock in Charlie's life. I'll say it. You don't have to give them any heat. I'm sorry about the conspiracy theories, specifically around you and some of my other friends that were around the table. They are utter garbage, and we stand by you 100%, my friend. And just thank you for being just an amazing guy, and you meant so much to Charlie, and we'll see you in a few days. Thank you, brother. Thank you, Tucker. Thank you, Blake. Thanks, Frank.

1:10:36God bless you guys. So Charlie was very well aware of the existence of evil, obviously. So were us on his team. You know, there's a, by the way, just one other conspiracy theory I just want to snuff out here. One of our dear friends that literally from the very beginning started with us and loved Charlie like a brother, he grabbed the SD cards out of the camera afterwards. And there's all these conspiracy videos about, why did he grab the SD cards? Well, first of all, they're in the possession of the FBI. Okay. It's not like he took them and like ran off with them. Second of all, I asked him personally.

1:11:13I said, why did you do that? and he looked at me and this was his answer he said because i know people can be evil and he did not want that footage being grabbed by somebody there was videos of people after the incident going and stealing hats off the table i mean so i'm so grateful he did that and that was his instinct he's like i'm depressed to know that that was why i did that but i knew that i had to protect that footage because i know i wanted i mean you know you're recording in like 4k you know And so I'm so glad he did that. But Charlie knew the existence of evil. Can I say, I think that people can feel the existence of evil and that just to put in a sympathetic word for people who are trying to make sense of this and coming to the wrong conclusions, I think they're motivated for the most part by pure intent.

1:12:01I think they don't trust the authorities. They have every reason to feel that way. I know that for a fact. Not the Trump administration, in general. Like, we're not, you know, there's been a lot of lying and it's corroded the trust. That's not their fault, actually. They're the victims of it. That's a good point. Thank you for saying that. They're, of course, bad actors who are doing it for clicks or whatever, I guess. But there are far more people who love Charlie. They loved what he stood for. They feel like he was murdered by evil. They're absolutely right. They're not sure what variety of evil.

1:12:32There's no authoritative person to tell them. So I guess I'm just not surprised that this is a message I've told to a lot of people. this is what happens when you lie too much and you hide too much and going forward i just want everybody with power to be honest in the way that charlie was honest about themselves that will do more than anything to fix this to make people love each other and hear each other and if people are honest it we got here because of lying and the only antidote is truth and so Truth about yourself, not about other people. Stop talking about other people. Admit who you are.

1:13:09And once you do that, people can feel that. And they immediately, as they did with Charlie, they respond to it. They're like, I believe you because you're honest about you. Anyway, I want that. Yeah, a buddy of mine just said something that I think is really profound. He said, two people, and I believe this about you too, Tucker, which is why you're so important. But two people could say the same thing. imagine Charlie Kirk 30 million followers across social media and somebody else also very prominent and they would say the same thing but when Charlie said it it would echo and ripple across the world we're all animals by the way and so much of what we know we receive non-verbally we can smell each other, we can feel the vibe I don't care if that sounds flaky, it's true my dogs can do it and so can you and if a deceptive man is speaking I don't believe what he says, even if it's factually accurate.

1:14:03And if an honest man is speaking, I know it. I can feel it. That's why everyone loves Blake, despite his eccentricities. He is honest. He's not a liar. And Charlie was the same. And we just know that. You can't dissuade me of that. I know that's true. Let's go ahead and play cut 20. This is Charlie talking about the existence of evil revealing God's presence. As Christians, ethical monotheists, we have the problem of evil. Atheists have evil no problem. On the atheist side, they can't say that evil actually exists because without God, if God does not exist, then we are nothing more than just a clump of cells and there is no such thing as evil.

1:14:46You only know something is evil if you have good to compare it to. If I have a piece of paper and I draw a crooked line, how do you know this line is crooked? You immediately look at it and say, that's a crooked squiggly line. only because in your mind, you know what a straight line is. If you don't believe in God, then you say evil's no problem. But if you are upset with it, you actually are implying that you believe in God. You might be angry at God. You might be wrestling with God. You might think that God is unjust. That's a completely different thing than not believing in God. There's no one who doesn't believe in God.

1:15:26Everyone believes in God because the Spirit of God is within us because he made us. The divine spark exists whether you acknowledge it or not. So your options are three. Either you acknowledge it and try to live by it, you ignore it and numb yourself, or you rage against it. And so that would be the atheists, the agnostics, and the Christians in reverse order. And you can see them immediately. You know, the agnostics are numb, the atheists are enraged, and the Christians have peace. But you don't have any other options because it's just real. It pre-exists you, and every single person feels it.

1:16:00Executive producer of the show, my good friend Blake Neff, another producer of the show, and of course, the great, good friend, wonderful man. Honestly, Tucker, thank you so much for making the time. By the way, everything we've asked of you, you just said, whatever I can do. Yes, I'll clear my schedule. Yes, absolutely, and that's just how you are, and I love that about you. Well, I want to get on the road. I mean, my favorite thing that Charlie did in his professional life was get out and physically speak to people in their physical presence. I think that's so important. I love the Internet, I guess.

1:16:31Pretend to love the Internet. I hate it. But mostly I love being with people physically and smelling them. And he was like the last person who really loved that. And he got murdered. And I just, I grieve his death, of course. But I also am really concerned that that whole thing will die. It's so important to be there physically. like ask me anything in my physical presence and so i'm doing that for you guys i'll do as much as you want because i just really believe in that well you you uh we were gonna save that for monday but i so they announced i'm not much of a planner but yeah so breaking news you guys want me to go out there i will do it yeah breaking news here tucker carlson uh will be a part of continuing Charlie's legacy by touring with us wherever you want it'll be at least one stop we'll say it like that during grouse season and so that's like the ultimate expression of love talk about laying down your life I love grouse season you know take up your cross daily so I want to I want to I want to pivot this conversation to uh Charlie's wife yes Erica Kirk um and I joked yesterday or yeah I Thought crime.

1:17:44I got a little, you guys razzed me about it. But I was quoting Blake because it came out, it was just this amazing thing. And I should know better than to air private conversations publicly. But Blake, Erica was referenced and Blake just goes, what a woman. Dude, she's unbelievable. She's amazing. I was in Phoenix, flying to Phoenix for something else. And Charlie texted me on the plane and said, I heard you're coming to Phoenix because he knew everybody. I was like, how do you know that? He goes, do you have time for lunch? Yes. had nothing to do with him was not here for turning point at all and so i meet him at lunch with his girlfriend erica and he wants to introduce me to her and i called suzy my wife after and i was like because my long-standing view has been you know it's critical like i really believe in marriage but not for like syrupy reasons like i think it really matters i was like that chick is a star i mean she was just like no this is what's true and that's not true.

1:18:39I mean, she is... Tough is not exactly the right word because it's from love. It's from Christian faith. It's from faith in Jesus. But it like, oh man. It emanates from her. Oh my gosh! Unwavering! And you want to know a crazy... I love that. You want to know a crazy thing I just realized last night? So Andrew Breitbart dies in 2012. March 1st. That inspires Charlie Kirk to start Turning Point USA in 2012. guess what else happened in 2012? And we talk about people getting prepared and these little nuggets that you think about. I just realized this. Erica Kirk won Miss Arizona in 2012 and hung out with Donald Trump in 2012 because of that.

1:19:25I know. And so I don't know. There are no coincidences, but you can just see how God was preparing them. And Erica as well. you know, Erica grew up with a single mom. Yeah. And so, you know, obviously, you wanted Charlie's kids to know their father in a deep and profound personal way. But Erica is uniquely, even in the midst of that tragedy, is uniquely able to navigate that, even just conceptually and emotionally, something I've talked to her about. And it's powerful even hearing her as she's working these pieces out. And again, I don't want to share too much privately. So they said this publicly, and I just love it.

1:20:09And I shared this on Twitter X the other day, and it went viral. So let's go ahead and play cut 19. One of my favorite interactions between Charlie and Erica. My wife joins us, Erica Kirk, the beautiful, legendary Erica. I love you so much. I love you. You're my best friend. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. We have asked the audience for questions. You pick one. Who is more conservative and why? Erica. Yes. By far. Not even close. I am a moderate compared to Erica. Andrew always jokes that once you got married to me, you got more based. That's true. That is true. No, Erica is very conservative.

1:20:49Do you think having kids made you more conservative? 100%. Which I didn't think was possible. But 100%. Absolutely. And a better wife. Boy, that's the realest thing ever. It's hard to talk about your marriage because no one believes you. Of course, because it's like it's your wife. You can't say anything bad. But I just know for a fact that that's true. It's really true. Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, I should note because I can't control myself that there was a picture of them in Maine, which they loved. That makes me sad. Yeah. Well, Charlie was bad at vacations. Terrible at vacations. So he was in Maine this summer on vacation.

1:21:31And I just loved how it kept like, oh, well, OK, Fox and Friends wants me to be a guest. So we're going to take the weekend, like the best days of the vacation, you know, where he could actually maybe. And Erica was just totally game for it. She was like, cool, let's go to New York. No, they came to my house. And he's like, I want to buy a house here. I was like, oh, got to. The state needs you. It's good. I'm sorry that they didn't. But it's just been amazing to hear her talk about, you know, not just their relationship, but like how, you know, how they both viewed marriage. And, you know, we were saying the last the last exchange I had with Charlie by text message on the way to the event.

1:22:11He was I was like, what are the best arguments for monogamy? And it gets back to that, you know, the Christian civilization stuff we talked about, because he loves all the takes I'd give him where I'm like, yeah, you know, Christian marriage is in the Bible. but it's also this like secret weapon that made the West great. And like countries that follow Christian marriage, like they're amazing. They excel, they improve, they get better. They have harmony between men and women far more than any other civilization. He loved all of that. And so I was rattling all that off. And I think the last thing I got from his, he like hearted a list that I posted.

1:22:44And 10 minutes later he was on the stage. Yeah. Yeah. That was those. I've looked back at those cause I was on that text chain and I was chiming in and they were the last texts that I exchanged with them to and it was like 30 minutes before it happened. And yeah, we were talking about marriage. That is wild. And when they talk about, hearing Erica talk about it, where she'll say stuff that sounds unbelievable to you. She's like, people would ask me, did you get mad at Charlie because he traveled so much and was doing so many things? And she's like, no, I didn't. And it was because we were on the same team.

1:23:18We were on the same mission. and I would have never wanted to in any way be hindering from executing God's mission. And he would have never wanted to fail in any way in me executing the mission God gave me. But when he was present, he practiced Shabbat not because he's Jewish, but because he needed sort of a discipline to follow. And so from sundown on Friday, really all of Saturday, it was like he was off. He turned to you couldn't call him. You couldn't get a hold of him. I mean, there was ways if an emergency happened that I could get a hold of him. And it was legit. But it was legit. You'd see the wave of him like reading the things you sent on like Friday night or Saturday morning.

1:24:00Then he'd start finally reacting to them. Blowing you up on Sunday when I'm trying to go to church. All of a sudden, Charlie's back on. And it was just like, you know. But he gave that time so purely and fully to his wife and kids. And Erica absorbed every moment of that. and I you know I told this story yesterday and I do want to like clarify something because apparently people took it the wrong way but the night it happened she got a call from a very important person and that very important person I'm not going to say who it maybe isn't who you think but it's a very important person but asked like I you know I just have to ask like like what do you know and he wasn't talking about some conspiracy there we didn't even they hadn't even got that the shooter at this point it's a fair question he was asking what do you know about turning point what do you know about what charlie was doing politically what do you know about the donors what do you know what do you know like what are we working what's our starting point here and she said back i know everything thank god because charlie would spend they would walk and they would talk and they they would religiously they would walk because charlie hurt his back he couldn't run anymore he used to run like seven to ten miles a day when i first started working with charlie he would just be gone running and he hurt his back he couldn't do it so they would walk together and if you ever walked with charlie the guy could keep a pace the guy big long legs and and they would talk and they would lay in bed and they would talk and he told he she was his vault and she knows everything she has the same spirit so when when that was announced i heard that she was taking over i was just oh i was just elated it's not an attack on anyone else by the way or a reference to any of the inter internecine battles currently going on um which i'm trying to not think about it's just the the fact the provable fact that she had the same spirit and the same goals same mission that he had that is just true it's just more based let me i just want it without you know whatever but getting into it but i just want to affirm that i just saw that recently yet again and uh i'm just so thankful that she's taking over because it's it's a big deal i saw trump on monday he said i couldn't get elected without charlie kirk and i you know he's not prone to say things like that he meant it wow yeah it's jd said the same thing with Jesse, and I know JD feels that.

1:26:30And it's just been amazing, too, to see Washington, the power center, the imperial capital, as Charlie always used to say. By the way, Charlie hated going to Washington, hated it. He loved being out here in Phoenix, thought it was like our secret weapon. Well, besides you being the secret weapon. It was our secret weapon to be outside of that bubble, and yet somehow all of Washington is coming to him. You know, can I say one thing? I shouldn't even get involved in this, but it's a fact, so I want to say it. He loved J.D. Vance. He loved Donald Trump, of course, often said it, but he really loved J.D.

1:27:03Vance. The stuff he would talk about in private, and some of that would bubble out. He loves telling the story of the first time he endorsed him for office. And in case people haven't heard it, it's such a great story where Vance has announced he's running in Ohio for Senate, and it's a very long shot bid at this point. I think he polled at 2 % or 3%. He comes in, he meets Charlie, he talks to Tyler too. And they come out and they're like, he said everything we believe. Like, we've got to endorse him. Like, if we're not going to endorse this guy, why are we even here? Yeah, exactly. And they're basically like, you know, they make that commit.

1:27:34And there's a miscommunication because it's a big open Senate, you know, it's a big Senate race. And Charlie's got to call a lot of donors and, you know, explain why we're doing this. We're not going for your guy. This isn't to slide on you. You know, manage all the relationships. And the other guy was their guy, for sure. And instead there's a miscommunication and it just goes out like blast, turning point is endorsing jd vance and it goes out way too early and he is about he's like well we all believe it and he's just like jd vance is amazing by the way that you're part of that story because it was he saw jd on your show and was like he and at that point he didn't know all the little deep things that he believed and he just he kept like i remember him saying JD's got like something.

1:28:18There's something about JD he's got. That is exactly. He's got the goods. And before you explain why. I'm not going to get involved in this. No, no, no. Just saying he loved JD. He loved JD. And by the way, JD loved him. And I think you can see that. Do you want to put any cap on that? I know you have a story to tell. Well, I just want to, I don't think I can emphasize it enough. And again, I'm really going to try because I think the point of Charlie's life was following Jesus. I just want to say that again. as someone who knew him well. I think the point of his life was following Jesus. So I really want to be helpful to that mission and not get distracted with the other stuff.

1:28:55And I have distracted with the other stuff for sure because I feel strongly about it. But I'm gonna try and stop. But I just wanna say, if you want to understand Charlie Kirk, he loved J.D. Vance and Donald Trump, but he was genuinely close to J.D. like as a friend and vice versa. And that is just factually true. and I don't want to hurt anybody by going on, but that is true. And JD earned every count of that. Yes, he did. He loved the story and it really meant a lot to him. So we had that event in... It was in June in Detroit last year. In Detroit, the People's Convention, we called it. I assume that was like...

1:29:30It was pre him getting announced as VP and they were just starting to kind of like float his name out there. Yeah, which Charlie, of course, very much wanted to do. And he used all of his political talents to try to promote that. And one of those things is, yeah, I invite him to the convention. And what he always loved about it was, I think it was his anniversary either the day before or the day after. Yeah, no, no, it was the day before because, yeah, we wanted him on Saturday night to be sort of the final speaker on Saturday night. And he said, I can't. And Charlie would love that. He's like, it's my anniversary.

1:30:04He would say marriage comes first. I have to be with my wife, but I will commit to getting there on Sunday. And Charlie was like, great, you can be the final speaker of the event. And that gave him just enough time to get to literally just drive up there, which I believe he did. He personally himself drive the car and he, he gets there and like, you know, we're used to a lot of people having, you know, entourages and he just shows up. I think he had one aid with him. There's JD. Yeah. Yeah. I just walks in. It's just like, I'm JD Vance. I'm a speaker. I think like maybe some security guy didn't initially recognize him.

1:30:37No, there's just JD Vance walking by himself backstage. I was like, I think that's JD. You need me. He's just kind of like strolling in. And like we found out he drove. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah. I was just, you know. There's never been a less affected politician. I always promise myself I'm not going to compliment Jimmy Vance. I don't want to hurt him. But there's never been a less affected leader ever. Like, period. I totally agree. I've never seen one if there is. But yeah, Charlie, people would ask Charlie a lot. You know, are you going to run for president? Are you going to run for office?

1:31:09Or, you know, like, and he would always. you will not find one piece of content anywhere ever it doesn't exist where he said yeah you know what I want to be president someday he would always say I love what I'm doing God's called me here we have more impact here and that was all very true privately I had that conversation with him and I wouldn't say he answered it with me although that maybe there were some other instances where i i caught an inclination but what he said was jd's ready and because jd's running i don't even have to think about it and i don't know if that's like i don't know if he said let me say because jd exists we're going to do everything we can he didn't say that he you know confirmed or anything but because jd exists i don't have to think about it and charlie you know was such a champion of jd's political talents and his future.

1:32:10And if J.D. does decide to do that, certainly Charlie would cheer him on from the hereafter. But yeah, Charlie has a lot of faith in J.D. Vance. I always loved his frankness on just topics like that in the 2024 primaries. He would just come out and he's like, well, I promised Trump that if he ran again in 2024, I would support him. So that was that. I made a promise. And if J.D. chooses to do that, then God bless him. And I would be here to cheer him on. We have our final radio segment of the day. Are you serious? It goes fast, doesn't it? That went fast, yeah. But I have this great clip of Charlie that we're going to play.

1:32:49Play cut two. This is Charlie talking about his lovely wife, Erica. My wife is the best person ever, and she's a patriot, and she's a believer. And we don't want to have to be accountable to God when this life passes. And he asks, why did you not trust in me and not fight evil? Because we as Christians are called to fight evil. It's one of the lesser known scriptures, Psalm 9710. For those of you that love God, you must hate evil. Yep, amen. And again, everyone is called to something different in the body of Christ. Some people are called to heal the sick. Some people are called to mend broken marriages.

1:33:20Some people are called to do outright hot gospel teaching. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. That's it.

1:33:30Who has that clarity of purpose, you know, at that age? it's such a rare gift I think it is a gift it's not detracting from the choices that he made but like he knew what his purpose on this earth was he worked tirelessly to fulfill that tirelessly, I can't overstate that as someone with a similar gig like I've never seen a man work harder and with greater self-sacrifice, with greater self-discipline and it all flowed from his belief that this is not pointless there's a race that we have to run. And he, I mean, he left us in mid-stride. I thought that that night and I was heartbroken and struggling even now to control myself.

1:34:13Excuse me. But I had that image that day. I was on a plane when it happened of him going like that, leaving this earth in that position in mid-stride. And that is as tragic and overwhelming as it is. That is such a gift. Like, may that be the end of my life, too, and all of our lives to leave in midst of purpose, in midst of forward motion. You know, very few people get that. And, you know, in this case at 31, it's unimaginable. However, that is something that I know that I want. And I think that every person who thinks about it wants that, too. And so I'm grateful for that. Well, you know, you have a special place in the Turning Point family, Tucker.

1:35:07I know you know that. You had a special place in Charlie's heart. And I just want to address one thing before we go here. We've got like two and a half minutes left. That there was pressure put on Charlie, you know, about you appearing at Turning Point. Oh, you think? And he's such a scott about it. So he's just like, oh, they're putting pressure on me. So I've got to double down. He was like, you know, some of the funny text messages that we've found since then, he goes, oh, they don't want me to have Tucker? Oh, maybe I'll have him speak twice. And he just loved you. Oh, he sent those to me.

1:35:43Yeah, he just loved you. And there was, you know, and it wasn't the hardest thing to explain to people that, you know, maybe didn't like your views on foreign policy or whatever. Didn't like my views on foreign policy. I'm trying to be diplomatic here, Tucker. I thought I should be put in prison. embrace it um embrace it and and but i just you know charlie this was the hardest thing to explain is that like guys you don't understand like charlie's mission is three steps down he's he's keeping a coalition together he's keeping friends together he's keeping networks together he's he's a statesman and he's not he's not going to knee jerk and be morally blackmailed by anybody and if And if you do it, he will double down.

1:36:24And you saw it in that clip. My mission is to confront evil. Oh, yes. And to proclaim the truth. Wherever it is. And I would just tell people, listen, you might think one thing, fine. But Charlie and Tucker are deeply, deeply, on a very personal level, friends. And Charlie is loyal. Oh, yeah. And if you go down this route, don't be surprised when you have Tucker having three speeches on three different nights at AmFest. You know, like when I was a kid, I drove my in high school, I drove my car into a white pine in Maine going about 40. And I remember thinking it totaled the car. And I remember thinking, wow, the treatise doesn't move.

1:37:04It doesn't matter how hard you hit it. And that was Charlie. He was just a towering white pine man. He was just not it didn't matter how hard you hit him. wasn't moving. There's a few things I respect more than that. Well, Tucker, it's been a pleasure. One of my favorite shows, and I think it was so fitting that you capped off the week. And I know you're going to be speaking at his celebration. About Jesus, not politics, to be clear. And I'm so glad that we could take some time to talk about Jesus, not politics, because that's the whole point. Well, it's funny. when I first started being around you, the way you would talk about faith was much more reticent and reserved.

1:37:47And Charlie has made a convert out of you and you are proclaiming the truth as well as any preacher I've ever heard. So thank you, Tucker Carlson. Thank you very much. May God bless you. God bless you. May God bless the reach of your word. Thank you. Thanks so much. Talk to you soon.

1:38:12Thank you.