Tucker on What the Violent ICE Protests Are Really About and What It Means for White America

34:02Here's Nancy Pelosi a few years ago. keep in mind she was the speaker of the house third in line to the presidency and this is part of a speech she gave on the house floor about demographic change watch this i'm reminded of my own grandson he's um irish english whatever whatever and italian american he's is the mix but he looks more like the other side of the family, shall we say? And when he had his sixth birthday, he had a very close friend whose name is Antonio, who's from Guatemala, and he has beautiful tan skin, beautiful brown eyes, and the rest. And this was such a proud day for me because when my grandson blew out the candles on his cake, they said, did you make a wish?

34:57And he said, yes, I made a wish. He said, well, what is your wish? He said, I wish I had brown skin and brown eyes like Antonio. So beautiful. So beautiful. The beauty is in the mix. The face of the future for our country is all American. And that has many versions. Imagine saying that. I mean, she's obviously a subgenius, hasn't thought this through. But this is her own grandson. And he turns to her and says, Grandma, I wish I wasn't born white. I wish I was born with different eye color, different skin tone. I wish it was something that I'm not. I wish God didn't make me this way. Imagine if your own grandson said that you would break your heart.

35:43You would break your heart. And by the way, it's only on this topic, I wish I wasn't white, that that's okay. If her grandson had said, Grandma, I wish I wasn't gay, she would have smacked him in the face with a ruler. You were born gay. Enjoy it. but when he says, I wish I wasn't white, she says, you're right. It's good to want to be Antonio and not be yourself, not be what God made you. Her own grandson. If she'd been black and gotten up and said, you know, my grandson said to me, my granddaughter had a white Barbie doll and said, Grandma, I wish I had blonde hair and blue eyes. All of us would say, well, that's awful.

36:24God made you like this. it's sad to want to be something that you're not you should be comfortable with the way you were made isn't that a kind of foundational modern american belief except when you're white it's beautiful when you hate yourself that's what she's saying that's what she said on the house floor she became the speaker of the house twice so she speaks not simply for herself but for a lot of people, including a lot of whites like her. And by the way, that's not compassion. That's hatred. That's saying to a six-year-old, no, you were born the wrong way. You are fundamentally flawed.

37:10There's nothing you can do about it. You're not as good as Antonio. Okay. There's hatred. That is hatred. And it expresses itself. By the way, Nancy Pelosi is from Baltimore, and she grew up there when it was 85 % white. How is it now? She doesn't go back very often, apparently. Things around the world are moving so fast right now, it's impossible to keep up with all of the changes. But we do know that when those changes happen, markets change too. And nothing changes faster than the price of precious metals, gold and silver. It just shifts in an instant because it is a reaction to and against what's happening in the world.

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39:15but in new york city which went from 90 to 30 from 1950 to present probably less than 30 for real the new mayor everyone's focused on his foreign policy views how does he feel about israel who cares how does he feel about white americans well we know because he says well i'm going to tax them more because they're white the new head his new rental authority lady said recently white people own too much they should rent like everyone else really that's not justice that's not equity that's hatred that's undisguised hostility toward people for how they look but because they are increasingly a defeated people that's not only okay it's encouraged you don't want to be on the wrong side of that not because you're a white supremacist and love only white people that's insane god made every person every human being was created by god period it's not a matter of loving only people who look like you loving only whites or blacks or whatever it's a matter of not hating people on the basis of how they were born but these dynamics don't change much because there's something in people that wants to crush and humiliate the vanquished every single time and you'd like to think that this nation is exceptional in the sense that that wouldn't happen here but there's no evidence of it at all as whites became become a smaller proportion of the u.s population every year louder become the calls to hate whites more open becomes the hatred, the hostility, the threats of violence.

41:04Crimes against white people like, well, I don't know. The perpetrator was black. You're white. Every single American knows those crimes are not punished as vigorously or as harshly as the reverse. Everyone knows that and accepts it. Oh, big mistake to accept that. If there's no such thing as equality under the law, if you can be punished more lightly or more severely based on your race your ethnicity your religion we're all in trouble all of us first of all we're all degraded because that's the definition of immoral blood guilt is not real despite what our leaders tell us and it's totally possible that you and your group your community are going to wind up on the wrong side of that someday but for right now it's very obvious that whites are on the wrong side of that and you can tell by the behavior of the people at the ICE protest.

41:58So this was Minneapolis just a couple of nights ago. This is a bunch of, of course, primarily white, because Minneapolis, one of the last big cities in America with a sizable white population, running into a church and threatening the parishioners in the church. And you've probably seen footage of this, but listen carefully to the clip you're about to hear, and you can hear effectively racial epithets aimed at white people so two things are going on here one is the protesters of course hate christianity and they hate whites white christians now that's familiar very familiar there's a lot of hatred white christians now where does that come from it's obviously spiritual at its root like everything.

42:49Hard to understand exactly why that group is targeted around the world, but we know that it is. Certainly that's one of the primary motives in going to war against Russia, destroying Ukraine, completely destroyed. Ukraine was destroyed by the West, by the way. It was destroyed by Washington and Brussels who pushed Russia into this war. They wanted this war. They said they wanted this war they got the war very few of their people have been killed in the war but hundreds and hundreds of likely over a million ukrainians have been killed in this war you think ukraine will be majority ukrainian in 100 years you think the land in ukraine will be owned by ukrainians in 20 years no of course not you won't be russia that did that it'll be the west and you have to wonder why well the fact that ukraine was white and christian one of the last big concentrations of white christians on the planet maybe that had something to do with it of course it did obviously that's not a far-right conspiracy theory it's the truth so the same attitudes that did that that are at work in canada australia new Zealand and very much here in the United States were sort of distilled in the clip you're about to see from a church a couple of days ago in Minneapolis.

44:13Watch this.

44:17Renee Good! Renee Good! Where are you? Where are you? Where are your people? Why are you not at Whipple every day fighting for the humanity, standing for our people? Where are you? You drink your coffee, you got your jewelry, you have your nice clothes, but what do you do? What do you do to stand for your Somali and Latino communities. I'm not going to combat. You have no combat, exactly. Say your name good. Say your name good. Say your name good. Say your name good. Rene good. Say your name. Rene good.

44:52All these comfortable white people who are living lavish, comfortable lives while children are dragged into concentration camps. You're living real nice lives with your lattes, doing absolutely nothing for your Latino and Somali brothers and sisters. You come here to a man wearing a suit as a preacher? Did Jesus wear a suit? Did Jesus profit off the words? No. Jesus would die within you. You do not touch me. Touch me again and see what happens. You are a fake Christian. Why are you not standing with your Somali and Latino communities? Why do I not see you out at Whipple every day protesting this attack on humanity?

45:26Where are you? You're sinners. You're pretending to be Christians. But we know you live an easy life, don't you? A very easy life while people are starving. Shame. Man. Is that man capable of violence? Well, he's committing it, of course. Disrupting a church service? People who mean no one harm, who are committing no crime, have done nothing wrong screaming at him for being white Christians? That's it right there. That's it right there. And you should know that that's not the last clip like that you're going to see. not just tonight, but in the future, because that's the animating spirit behind what you're watching.

46:08No one is making an economic case for mass migration. Nobody is making an economic case for keeping tens of millions of illegals in this country because there isn't an economic case for it. There is no case that begins with, let me tell you how this will make our country better no one even makes that case the case they're making is we are replacing the people who founded this country who built the system for themselves by the way with a brand new people who have very little in common with those people and why are we doing that because we hate those people and it's not just deranged protesters who are making that case so our former cnn anchors here's Don Lemon who was part of that protest he was covering it in the way that journalists often cover events they help organize those events they're their foot soldiers we're just covering it okay here's Don Lemon going on some podcast with angry middle-aged rich ladies to talk about how virtuous it is to scream at whites in Minneapolis watch this is a certain degree of racism there and there's a certain degree of entitlement.

47:23I think people who are, you know, in religious groups like that, it's not the type of Christianity that I practice, but I think that they're entitled and that entitlement comes from a supremacy, a white supremacy. And they think that this country was built for them, that it is a Christian country when actually we left England because we wanted religious freedom. It's religious freedom, but only if you're a Christian and only if you're a white male huh i mean it's it's hard to you don't ever want to take don lemon literally because he's disconnected from reality and you could say well actually he's got a white boyfriend and he lives in the hamptons who's entitled here but it's fruitless and it diminishes you to rebut a don lemon rant to some facelift lady on the specifics because the specifics don't matter because it It doesn't make any sense.

48:13It doesn't need to make sense. All you need to understand is the spirit behind it, which is hate. Hate and resentment and the desire for revenge. That's what this is. And there's no other explanation that anyone's even offered up other than you somehow have an obligation to hurt yourself. And so really, it's time to just be completely honest. This is an act of hatred and aggression toward the population of the United States, American citizens, people who were born here, people whose grandparents were born here. They are hated by the people in charge and have been for a long time. And the plan, which is pretty close to completion, actually, it's not a distant goal, it's like almost here, is to replace them, render them powerless, and if people like Don Lemon have any say over it, hurt them.

49:08Just listen to what they say. You don't have to conspiracy theorize. Just open your eyes and listen, and you can tell what they have planned for you, because it's happened in a lot of places. It always happens. And so these are fights worth having, actually, because it's not about preserving racial purity. It's about preserving your country in recognizable form, preserving your life and the lives of your children. If all of a sudden you lived in a country where 60 % of the people agreed with Don Lemon, how do you think you'd do? Not well at all. and not only would you be stripped of your possessions not only would your children be ground into the dust you'd be lectured as it happened lectured about how you deserved it this is what you get for the sins of your ancestors the blood guilt people would start lecturing you about it you'd be treated like the palestinians in gaza it's the same idea it's the same idea you're responsible for the sins of your ancestors because blood guilt is real There couldn't be a more anti-Christian worldview than that.

50:17It's one of the reasons they hate Christians, because they stand in the way. So because profound questions underlie this argument over ICE, the stakes for us have suddenly become existential, and the behavior of the people involved in this has become extraordinary. And all of this adds up to a pretty remarkable, pretty shocking scene tonight in Minneapolis, ignored by most people in the media, but not by Nick Sorter, who's a freelance journalist who's been just taking videos of what he sees. this is a video that he just shot of a group of friends of Don Lemon's breaking into a law enforcement vehicle and stealing the weapons out of the back of it's about two minutes long watch this whole thing for a more precise sense of where we are right now

51:21Oh my god. Oh my god.

51:35Bullets? Sheesh. It's a bullet. so you hate to go right to the obvious and say storming of the of the bastille but whenever you've got a crowd of violence bent extremists stealing government weapons and running off into the night without being arrested you have the potential for revolution and then great bloodshed in the aftermath of that. So it's almost so obvious it doesn't bear saying out loud, but we will anyway because we love the obvious. You have to stop this now or else things will fall apart. Nick Sorter is the man who shot that video and he joins us now. Nick, can you, first of all, thank you for doing that.

52:22This is a true public service, I think, to bring this to the public. What did we just see? Can you give some context? Yeah, so Tucker, what I'll tell you is this happened not far from downtown Minneapolis. So there are police everywhere all the time, right? I mean, it's a pretty concentrated area with police. And these rioters had two hours, two hours to go through multiple FBI vehicles. There's another vehicle that was parked right behind this one where they were able, they had enough time and they weren't worried about Minneapolis police showing up. So they took a tow strap out of the back of a pickup truck, mounted it to and tied it around the weapons locker in the other vehicle, mounted it to the pickup truck and yanked it out that way.

53:12And they're not worried at all about any repercussions from Minneapolis PD. As soon as it happened, I went over to Minneapolis PD, who I figured out were about a block away from there. And I gave them the information. I gave them the description of the individual. I gave them the video. I let them take a picture of the person's face. I gave them the license plate number as well as the car that he was in. This guy that just stole not just a rifle, but a select fire rifle, an automatic rifle from an FBI vehicle. They chose not to go after the vehicle that they could see down the street. He hadn't even left yet.

53:49But these cowards that are at the higher ranks of MPD that are under people like Jacob Fry, who was basically Mayor Soyboy, that's what I prefer to call him at this point, they've been cucked. I don't know how else to say it, Tucker. If you knew in a city in, let's say, rural Georgia that somebody just stole an automatic rifle and you see them in your sights, those sheriff's departments are going to go after them immediately. They're not going to let them get away. Not in Minneapolis. That's not what happens. They let them go out into the wild. And of course, there were no legacy media networks there.

54:28Not like, you know, ABC, NBC or anything. As soon as it gets a little dicey, they run away. So it's up to people like me in a disguise that have to go in there and film this. There are no cops around. And Tucker, even if you did call 911, which I did multiple times, you get zero assistance. It doesn't matter the amount of death threats that are being screamed at you in the background on the call. When I got robbed the other day by a gang of Somalis, they stole over$1 ,000 worth of camera equipment from me. I called 911. They didn't ask me, are you in any danger right now? I was bleeding from the arm after being dragged down the street by the vehicle.

55:05that no the question they asked me was are you white hispanic black or somali that was one of their biggest concerns and it still took them 30 minutes to come to the scene but that's like my fourth 9-1-1 call in the past three weeks out in minneapolis and uh it's the first time they actually responded so the fact they responded in 30 minutes i was actually surprised that they came out i i'm just i'm shocked by everything you've just said i i do think we run the risk of misinterpreting people like Jacob Fry. Obviously, they're feminized. Everything you said is true. They're craven. They're weak.

55:42But there's also a will to power there. I mean, this is Trotsky. Okay, this is the looting of the armory. This is the way that people like Fry, and there are many people like Fry, gain power, which is through violence. It's through the mob. It's through mob action that they become more powerful. So it's not just that he can't stop it because he's too weak. he wants it just as the governor of the state of minnesota and his creepy winnie mandela wife you know breathe deep the smell of burning tires during the george floyd riots because revolution means power to them and so it feels to me just from the footage that you shot that things are getting completely out of control cool.

56:23They're totally out of control and they have been for several weeks now, but this is exactly how Tim Waltz wants it right now. I'm being totally upfront with you, Tucker. I truly believe this. This is the best case scenario for Tim Waltz, because what were we talking about? The reason that I was out there already when this shooting happened after the woman tried to run down an ICE agent with her vehicle, I was already out there because we were talking about the Somali fraud. So the riots, the unrest in the streets, the assaults on ICE agents, the just nonstop around the clock mayhem is the only thing that has distracted everybody from continuing to be able to talk about the billions of dollars worth of fraud that have been enabled under Tim Walz.

57:10And we have to get back to that. We can't let that go away. But in the meantime, we also can't allow ICE agents who are taking rapists and child molesters and all of these violent illegals off the street. We can't just leave them hanging as well. And so I'm pretty much going to move to Minneapolis at this point. And that is not a place I want to be. it was such a nice city uh it was famously a swedish city so i knew about it and um it was it was a really really nice place not that long ago it's complete it's unrecognizable now and immigration is one of the main reasons for that it just it's just true can i ask where were the fbi agents as their automatic weapons were being stolen uh so uh that is a fantastic question which I haven't really, you know, I'm a big supporter of the FBI.

58:02I think they do great things. I don't like the fact that we're just abandoning federal vehicles in the road. However, especially when there's a riot going on, however, these guys need some reinforcements out here, right? There are way, way too many rioters that just vastly outnumber federal agents. So that's why I keep calling for troops here, military police, federalizing the National Guard, even Insurrection Act. Whatever you have to do to protect these guys, there aren't enough federal agents. They got pushed back. They got forced all the way back. And that's why their vehicles ended up being outside of the perimeter at that point, because the vehicles were parked several blocks away from where the shooting happened, I believe, last week when that illegal Venezuelan came out an agent with a shovel, right, and tried to hit him with the shovel and they had to shoot him in the leg.

58:57And so once that perimeter shrunk because they don't have enough manpower, that left those vehicles exposed. And, you know, the FBI, like I'll give them a lot of credit for this because they know that Minneapolis PD is not going to do anything. They're not going to protect independent journals like me when I was robbed by that Somali gang in the road. This is breaking here just now. Like they just, Cash Patel just called me like right before I did the hit on the show. So they found my camera. They have recovered the camera that was stolen. And that's only because they jumped in knowing that Minneapolis PD was going to do nothing about it.

59:34Because in reality, Minneapolis PD, they don't want people like me here. Because I'm documenting all of their failures. I'm documenting the fact that they are letting these third world invaders run free through the streets, committing billions of dollars worth of fraud in broad daylight. And nothing is being done about it. They hate people like me being here. And so I appreciate the FBI and Kash Patel stepping in and recovering that camera because it definitely wouldn't have been done by the city. They told me very specifically, Tucker, when the police finally responded after 30 minutes and I'm still sitting there bleeding from being dragged by a vehicle, they told me that I was in the wrong by being in that area and told me I had to leave that area because I had no business in that area.

1:00:20I have a hell of a lot more business in that area than anybody else that's there at this point. OK, this is the United States of America. And I am not going to be terrorized out of leaving an American city because they want to surrender it to a bunch of third world pirates. I'm just not going to do it. Well, you have as much connection to Minneapolis really as Jacob Fry does. You know, he's not he's from New York. He's not he's not or he's actually from suburban D.C. He's not from there at all. He has no roots there at all. He just showed up to foment revolution and to increase his own power. Obviously, they haven't improved the city in the slightest.

1:00:55It's gotten much worse under his so-called leadership. So who do you call? I mean, if the if FBI's vehicles get looted, there are no FBI agents there to protect their own vehicles. By the way, don't they have an obligation to make sure their automatic weapons don't wind up in the hands of criminals? Like, aren't they supposed to protect their own vehicle? They're the FBI. no offense i think you're letting them off a little lightly here like so here you have the fbi putting automatic weapons into our communities are we for that i'm not but how do you how do you respond to that like if you called fbi hey they just stole your machine guns you guys should get on this wake up son yeah so i i immediately went to the fbi and informed them as to what happened because like i'm not even sure they would have known about it immediately i mean there were no I'm the only one that got footage of the guy that stole it.

1:01:45And I mean, he was a little bit retarded, I guess I'm going to say, because he took his mask down and you could say he had Latin King's tattoos all over him. So I mean, it was pretty easy to find the guy and they found him by the next morning. But yeah, I would say like the fact that federal law enforcement feels like they're in a position where they just can't go back in and guard these weapons that were in the the back of the vehicle. Yeah, that was definitely concerning to me. I cannot excuse that in any way, shape, or form. I know the weapons locker that was pulled out with a toe strap after two hours, and that's another thing, Tucker.

1:02:21It was two hours that this was going on and nobody was doing anything about it. One weapons locker was empty to the dismay of the rioters that had spent so long trying to get into it. But I really want to stress the fact that these guys need more support. They need more assets on the ground to protect them while they're running operations, right? I mean, these FBI agents that are out there, FBI agents, DHS agents, they're not trained in crowd control, right? That's not their job. But there are federal resources to handle that. And we're not using them. We're putting them on standby. And I'm sorry, I'm a big supporter of the Trump administration.

1:03:04I think they're doing a fantastic job. But I'm a little worried that we're sleeping on what's actually going on in Minneapolis because some polls came out saying that, oh, well, some people don't approve of what's going on with ICE operations. And so, like, the administration is a little bit fearful, I think I'll say, of deploying troops into the streets to restore order because they don't like the poll numbers that are coming out. And you know what? 80 million people voted for this to happen. Right. I personally think maybe those poll numbers, if they're even real, some of the reason that people say they're not approving of the job that ICE is doing is because they're not deporting enough people.

1:03:47You go and talk to people in middle America. I'm from Kentucky originally, Tucker. So I gauge my dad, who's an HVAC technician down there and all his friends. I try to get their opinion on just people that are just normal, everyday blue collar people. And they're all saying the same thing. They're not seeing any arrests. They're not seeing the deportations that they were asking for. So if the poll numbers are dropping, that has a lot to do with it, not because people think that ICE is being too aggressive. So I think those numbers are being misinterpreted. I mean, I've spent I'm not attacking anyone, but the last three weeks hearing how we have the greatest military in America, which I mean, in the world, which sounds right.

1:04:26We're all grateful. but like if the maduro raid had been this pathetic it would be a national shame where are these people who are so skilled at taking out foreign leaders in our country like one of our great cities is collapsing they're stealing automatic weapons from federal agents and no one's doing anything about it like where are the people we pay 1.5 billion dollars a year to maintain this empire where are they when we need them here trillion 1.5 trillion tucker really sorry i'm it's which is a lot i can barely even pronounce the words nick it's it's it's it's so much money and you're like okay well i and i i tweeted about this the other day where i said you know because people are like oh well why aren't you covering what's happening in Iran because I don't care.

1:05:23I don't care. We have a huge American city that's under siege actively. I'm boots on the ground being attacked every single day by these people in the streets. And so our ICE agents, like you saw today, even Bovino, the border patrol commander is out there just trying to go get snacks at the speedway. And they can't get out of the parking lot with his team because there are 20 or 30 vehicles, literally 20 or 30 following him around, boxing them in and coming up and assaulting them. And so they have to use tear gas to get out of parking lots. Like we need the manpower. I mean, how many tens of thousands of active duty troops do we have?

1:06:01Why do we need to worry about Iran right now? Why do we have to worry about any other country in the world besides right here? I don't care about the politics anymore. I don't care if, you know, the left and the Democrat Party are going to be like, oh, my goodness, this is fascism by enforcing federal laws, fascism. I don't care about that. I'm watching it in real time. I'm watching these guys that go out there every single day and put their lives on the line to deport these child rapists and literal murderers, people with murder warrants out of foreign countries that we're just letting out into the streets out here.

1:06:38They need the support. They're on a mission here, and we're not giving it to them. I know we put 1 ,500 active duty troops from Alaska on standby, and I believe another thousand of military police in North Carolina on standby as well for the Pentagon. They haven't been deployed yet. So my question is, what are we waiting for? What has to happen before we can deploy them? Does an ICE agent need to be killed? Does a journalist need to be killed? What needs to happen? What are we waiting on? It's a war zone out there every single day. last question i mean ice is there fbi is there military is not there they're worried about iran apparently um so important to run so important um what about local police i mean minneapolis is a major city minneapolisst paul why aren't they restoring order like have you seen local police respond to the rioters?

1:07:40No. And so that's one of the biggest issues that we see up here. First of all, the reason that I'm doing this in front of a plain gray background is because for hits that are longer than five minutes that are live, I have to do them somewhere where nobody can find me because they will track me down. And if I call the police, nothing will be done about it. I've written them off. They're totally useless. And that's it. They're done. When it comes to what I was covering, just for example, in Louisiana, you have Governor Jeff Landry down there that is, you know, supporting the ICE operations that are happening down there in New Orleans, Shreveport, all the surrounding area, like across the entire state of Louisiana.

1:08:17And so they have state troopers with them. And those state troopers, I was not able to tail Bovino when I was trying to cover the deportations down there because they would pull me over. for turning right on red without stopping or something behind the police vehicles. But in Minneapolis, St. Paul, and the surrounding area, the police have been directed and ordered not to enforce any traffic laws or crimes that are committed in the presence of ICE or border patrol because they want these people running red lights at 80 miles an hour. It's so brazen now that they're live streaming these crimes that they're committing where they don't have lights and sirens or anything.

1:09:08These activists that are posing as journalists, they wear press on their chest because that all of a sudden exempts them from laws, apparently. They're not real press, they're activists. And they're like passing buses, school buses around blind corners at 80 miles an hour in residential neighborhoods, blowing through red lights and stuff. But police are being told not to pull them over, not to interfere with the activists at all. I'm surprised nobody's been killed by it yet. But if they were just to do that, if they were just to enforce traffic laws, then you wouldn't get 20 to 30 cars following and impeding ICE and Border Patrol all the time.

1:09:47But the problem is that's what they want. They want them to be impeded. is there i mean is this city are people acknowledging this is happening i mean is the mayor giving press conferences about it what they're going to do to fix it is the governor on television in minnesota like what is this just is anyone noticing this yeah so uh they're definitely on tv uh uh mayor mayor fray and uh and tim waltz but they're saying exactly what you would expect them to. They're talking about, if you see ICE, call 911. You had Chief O 'Hara, the Minneapolis police chief, which I actually, I tried to ask him a few questions downtown the other day when he ordered all of his men to retreat after some riots downtown.

1:10:35They literally came in, ran away. It's all on video. And they were fleeing. One cop tripped over his squad car because he was so frazzled by people throwing snowballs at him. And this guy, you can even see him, this leftist police chief on TV behind the mayor who had just said, yes, if you see ice in the area, you called 911. So the 911 system is like totally useless at this point. If you're being stabbed to death in the street, mugged, whatever, in downtown Minneapolis, you're probably not going to get an officer responding to you anytime soon because the 9-1-1 lines are flooded with people calling 9-1-1 on ice because that's what they've been told to do.

1:11:20And so this inquiry by the DOJ into Mayor Frey and Tim Waltz is totally fair, where they are conspiring to obstruct ice operations. and how many innocent people have suffered because of that at this point over the past three weeks that this has been going on. But Tucker, you go outside of the Minneapolis-St. Paul area, the local jurisdictions there are more than willing to work with ICE. That's why you're not seeing large scale clashes in the streets and stuff because they're able to just go to the jails when these illegals are arrested by local sheriff's departments and stuff, and they're able to pick them up, and that's it.

1:12:02And then they're deported. There's no need for these large-scale clashes. And the reason that it has to be done is because the federal government cannot back down and just not enforce federal immigration law because Mayor Frey and Tim Walz don't want to lose a huge portion of their voter base when a bunch of Somali fraudsters end up being denaturalized and deport it. Yeah, I mean, the country will fall apart. We'll have civil war if this continues. By the way, it's January 21st. Imagine June 20th. Imagine warm weather in one of the coldest cities in America. Nick, thank you so much for your bravery and for telling us all that.

1:12:40And that was, I'm hard to shock. That shocked me. And Godspeed. I don't have to make anything up, Tucker. It's all on video. So not exaggerating here, but I appreciate you highlighting this story. Oh, we're grateful to. Thank you. so we played you that footage of the protesters attacking people in church for being white and christian um that was in saint paul i think city's church in saint paul minnesota joe rigney is i i one of the founders of that church i believe and i hope he'll pardon me if i've mangled any of his bio but he joins us now joe thanks so much for doing this um tell us about what happened at that church?

1:13:24Yeah, so that's my former church. I was a planting pastor at the church. I'm no longer there. I live in Idaho now for the last three years, but I was in Minnesota for 18 years, including through 2020 and all of the riots during that year. But yeah, what happened was during a service, normal Christian worship service of a normal evangelical church, an organized planned and coordinated group of people entered the church during its second service it was the first sunday they'd had a second service the church was growing and so they had a second service added one and they so they'd already had one the preacher had preached a message from the gospel of john chapter 13 called love one another and as they were in the middle of the second service a number of people who had been there for the first half of the service, stood up and began moving towards the front, doing what your video showed, chanting various slogans about Renee Good, Get Out Ice, all of those sort of things.

1:14:25And eventually, basically, commandeered the building, yelling and screaming at the parishioners, a number of whom fled very quickly. Because in this day and age, you don't know if this is going to be an active shooting situation, right? Like, this is the sort of thing that happens these days. And so people were trying to get the kids out, get the kids safe. And you saw my friend, Pastor Jonathan Parnell, standing there saying, shame on you to these activists, these agitators. And then being accosted by Don Lemon, who is embedded with the group and coordinating with them, and being harangued. Isn't this a great example of constitutional liberty?

1:15:06Don't these people have a right to assemble and free speech as they are disrupting a Christian worship service on a Sunday morning? So it was shocking. I'm across the country now. But watching my friends and former congregants be attacked in this way, simply because these activists are going to escalate from beyond what they've already been doing, as your previous guest elaborated on. So it's shocking, but it's predictable because all revolutions begin with killing the Christians, always. I wonder, is there a justification for this to go in and scream at kids in a church service during a sermon on love one another?

1:15:52I mean, what do you think is actually going on here? Well, the presenting cause is that one of the lay pastors at the church works for ICE. he's a law enforcement officer, has been for 20 something years. He's a good man. He's a close friend of mine. I'm not even going to say his name because I don't want any more harassment for him and his family. But they had doxed him, discovered who he was, where he went to church, and decided to make an example. And so that was the presenting cause. But I think there's also an element of, as you said, testing the boundaries. How far can we go? How far can we escalate these things in order to intimidate, silence people into doing what we want.

1:16:37And so it's not enough now to harass law enforcement officers while they carry out their duties. We're now going to follow them to their homes. We're going to follow them to their churches. We're going to intimidate their friends. We're going to frighten their children until I guess they think the effect of that would be that the administration will cease trying to enforce its immigration laws. Or maybe people will stop working for ICE. I don't know what the end game is. But I expect if it's not dealt with in a swift and just manner to say this is unacceptable. There are ways that you can protest the government.

1:17:12This is America. But terrorizing people in a church is beyond the bounds. And it's been disappointing thus far. It's been encouraging on the part of the federal administration. I think the various people of the administration are involved and seeking to do something about it, arrest some people. But I think the local officials, the governor, the mayors, are slow playing it. They have no interest in doing it. In fact, I saw one Democratic legislator say, this will continue. This sort of thing is essential to what we're doing, and it will continue. So promising, this is actually the trans legislator in the Twin Cities, who said, this is essential and it must continue, which is a shocking thing after, you know, just last year, a Catholic school was attacked by a trans shooter.

1:18:09And so you see the escalating violence on the left of normal Christian people. And I just want to, I just think I want to underscore that piece of it. These are not, these are not political activists. This is not a political church. these are normal Bible-believing evangelicals the the mission of the church the way that they talk since the beginning when we planted the church and and they've continued this is real basic they have a number of very clear priorities what they care about and if you asked any of them they would say we're here because we want to worship Jesus he's the most he's real Jesus is real and he's the most important person in the universe he's the only hope of the world.

1:18:50There's salvation in no one else. They're going to want to tell you that. And they're going to say, we want to love each other as Christians. And then they're going to say, and we're here to seek the good of these cities. We've not given up on these cities. In fact, I think the pastor said that in the sermon in his first service. He said, we're here in the midst of this chaos. And he says, but we're not giving up on the Twin Cities. We're here because we want to love our neighbors. We want to care for those. We want to give them the hope of the gospel, offer them freedom from sin and death. And that's what they're there for.

1:19:17And instead, this political chaos intrudes in the middle of a worship service and disrupt it. And it was absolutely, as my friend said, he said, it's absolutely shameful. It's absolutely shameful. And then immediately, I appreciated this about him so much. I said, this is shameful, and we're here about Jesus. He wanted to make sure he's going to get that in because that's what he cares about. That's what he's all about. But I don't think we should make a mistake. Jesus was the target. It's not that they're an ICE agent who they could have hassled at his house or at his job or whatever. The target was Jesus.

1:19:47I'm sure you've seen the famous photograph from the Spanish Civil War, the opening months of the Spanish Civil War, where the communist forces surround a statue of Jesus and open fire on it, a statue, because they were more straightforward then. Like, that's the enemy. And I do think it puts it in the right frame. Right. Yeah, it is remarkable. I think in this moment, as we're talking, there is a deep sickness in our culture. I think we all feel it. Pressure's high, tensions are high, and it is a spiritual in nature. And I think that's one of the things, I'm a pastor, I'm still a pastor, just in a different state.

1:20:30And Jesus really is the only hope for this. Like there is no way out. And what's needed in the moment is forgiveness of sins and calling people to repent of it, right? The reason that this bubbles up is because sin festers and festers and festers, and it's encouraged by, in this case, government officials who are fostering lawlessness, encouraging this kind of conduct, rather than being, as the Bible says they ought to be, a terror to evil conduct. That's what, when God lays down, what should the government do? What's their job? And it's, they should be a terror to evil conduct. They should execute God's wrath on the wrongdoers.

1:21:09They should reward the righteous. They should encourage good people, and they should punish bad people. That's their just basic job. And in this circumstance, they're actually doing the opposite. They're terrorizing normal law-abiding citizens, and then they're encouraging the lawless and the lawbreakers. And because of that, it's bubbling up. It's bubbling over, and it's tragic. It really is tragic. And the only way out is for people to turn from their sins and to turn back to Christ. That's the only hope that any of us this nation has. That's the only hope for any of us. It's literally inverted.

1:21:40The government encourages evil, abets lawlessness, and punishes decency and good. So what is the right Christian reaction to this? Yeah, I've been thinking a lot about that, not just because of what happened over the weekend, but because of the last few years. As, you know, last fall, Charlie Kirk was assassinated. And, you know, it's actually interesting. Years ago, when we planted the church, the first sermon series that we did was on the book of Acts. You know, you're planting a new church, and so here's the planting of the church, right? And so we're preaching through the book of Acts, and you begin to notice these patterns.

1:22:22And you just notice that the early church leaders were just regularly colliding with the governing of authorities, right? So they're getting hauled in. They're healing people. they're blessing people. They're sharing the gospel. They're announcing Jesus is risen from the dead. This is great news, everybody. He is the savior of the world. And they're announcing this and they're met with opposition and it kind of escalates. And you see this escalating. At first, the leaders are kind of annoyed by it. They're like, who are these guys? What are they doing? What are they saying? And so they haul them in for questioning.

1:22:53What are you guys talking about? And they're like, hey, no other name among heaven. Jesus, it's him. He rose from the dead. You killed him. You guys killed him, but he rose from the dead. And then they say, all right, don't do that anymore. Stop talking about that. And they leave. And then they keep preaching. They go out, they pray. They say, Lord, look upon their threats and help us to continue to speak the word with boldness. And they do. God answers that prayer. They speak with boldness. They preach the word. And then they get hauled back in. And this time they say, hey, look, we already told you guys once.

1:23:24Knock this off. And then they beat them. So now it's not just a warning. It's a violent warning. and and now the the leaders are a little bit jealous because people are flocking to this new christian movement right and then it finally bubbles over um in the stoning of stephen right stephen is hauled before them false charges um they lie about him they slander him and then they say and then he he says he looks up into heaven he says i see jesus jesus is risen and he's reigning and he condemns the wickedness around him you guys are all you've turned aside from your god you've abandoned him, you've killed the righteous one, you've murdered him, and then they rush upon them and they stone him to death.

1:24:01And so when you look at that kind of escalation in Jerusalem 2 ,000 years ago, and then I'm sitting here reading the newspaper and going, history does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme. And when you think about the last 20 years and the escalating collisions we've seen in our country, you know, about say, sexuality, and people being harassed just because they won't make a cake or because they won't, you know, do flowers for a gay wedding. And you see that kind of escalating collision as Christians just try to live faithfully, faithful lives. And then it bubbled over. And in the fall, we saw, we found an American Stephen, essentially, in Charlie Kirk.

1:24:41Like that's what happened as the left killed him. And then so I read that and I go, okay, well, what should we expect next? If that's, if the history is rhyming. What comes next in the story? And if you read the book of Acts, right after Stephen is stoned, it says a general persecution breaks out against the Christians. The lawlessness spreads, and now it doesn't matter if you're a leader or not. It doesn't matter if you're prominent or not. You could just be what? Normal people going to church on a Sunday in an American town, and now you're going to be harassed and intimidated. And so this is precisely on cue, and I think and I'm encouraged by what the Bible tells us to do in that case because what those people did after that persecution broke out is they were driven out of their homes and they didn't go around moping and sulking and whining about oh woe is me how could this happen I really wish that Charlie Kirk wouldn't have said that or whatever they you Stephen should have you know kept his mouth shut instead it says they went about preaching the gospel that's what they did In other words, they imitated the boldness of their leaders who had been persecuted.

1:25:47And as a result, there was a revival. The gospel goes to the Samaritans, and lots of people are turning from their sins and being saved. And immediately after that, this is what's most remarkable in the story, it changed the history of the world, is the Apostle Paul, who'd been approving all of that, who'd been sanctioning it and hauling people to jail. But as a Pharisee, as an opponent of the church, God knocks him off his horse. Just Jesus, he finds out Jesus is in fact real. And the entire history of the world is different because now the greatest evangelist in history has come to Christ. And so I see this, I see the tensions, and yet God's behind it all.

1:26:31He's sovereign. He rules. He reigns. Jesus is real. And he is working in this for the good of his people and for the good of the world. and the good of this nation. And so my encouragement to Christians would be to imitate the early church, to gather together in worship on Sundays, whether they're going to harass you or not, and to pray and to say, Lord, look upon their threats. Look what they're saying. Look at their lies and fill us with your Holy Spirit and grant us to preach the word of God, all of it, whole counsel of God, courage, clarity about Jesus, about sin. Give us that ability with joy in the midst of this chaos.

1:27:09Give us that. That's what we want, Lord. And I believe just as God answered that prayer in the first century, he'll answer that prayer in the 21st. So this is, I mean, this is the spiritual war that Jesus promises that we've seen for thousands of years. We know how it ends, but in the meantime, we shouldn't be surprised and remain brave and bold. Is that a fair summary? Correct. Yeah. And joyful. I think that's one of the things— Thank you. And joyful. Like, I think that it's important because I think Christians do have a tendency sometimes when things go like this to get overly serious or serious in the wrong way, I guess.

1:27:47It can become intense and instead to go like, well, is God? So I was watching it, and one reaction I did have was from Psalm 2, he who sits in heaven laughs. right like what does god look at when the nations rage and they and they rage against his people and they rage against um christ what's god's reaction he who sits in heaven laughs he's he's not threatened by this he's not uh scrambling god's not going to get you know get somebody on the phone he's not worried about that um instead he's going this is my sovereign hand and plan working out for the good of my people and the good of the world um i am going to bring glory to myself through this this horrific stuff now that doesn't mean for me as a christian do i want to see just and justice done now as well.

1:28:29Absolutely. It's because Jesus is real that governing authorities ought to bear the sword faithfully. They ought to punish lawbreakers because someday Tim Walls and Mayor Jacob Fry are going to stand before God and they're going to answer for it just like I will. And just like you will. Yes. Right. Everybody listening to this is going to stand before God. That's what's going to happen. And you're going to give an account. And so part of what they're going to account for is, hey, when Minneapolis was in chaos, why were you stoking it? Like, why? What was that about? Like, they're going to, like, some of these videos that we're seeing of the chaos being inflamed and encouraged by the left are going to be brought forward as evidence of their hatred of God's people, of Christ.

1:29:14And it's remarkable to think about. Like, it is a sobering thing, but as Christians, it ought to give us confidence. It's what gives us a joy in the midst of the suffering. When they plunder, when they attack, there's a deep and settled joy because Tim Walz doesn't run the universe, thank God. Jake Fry doesn't. President Trump doesn't, for that matter. No human being runs the universe. Well, one does, the God-man Jesus Christ. He runs the universe. So if I'm hearing this right, chaos just by itself is a marker of evil. absolutely absolutely it's Christ or chaos those are the two options like those are like the basic options in America today it's Christ or chaos you either get you either get the decay the disorder the lawlessness or we turn to Jesus and he puts us everything back together like he puts you back together individually like you you're in turn you get forgiven for your sins and you get sanctified you get made holy you get healed and restored and then he puts together our families the brokenness there.

1:30:15He puts together our communities. He puts together our nation. Listening to your monologue at the front of the hour, it just struck me. You're describing sort of the balkanization of the United States and this mass demographic transformation. I think that's a subject that many evangelicals are uncomfortable with, quite honestly. I've been an evangelical my whole life, and it's uncomfortable for them to even think about or talk about. But thinking about it, it's like, well, what's the hope then? And I think the only hope is, well, everybody needs to turn to Jesus and then we can sort it out. But if we don't turn to Jesus, we're just going to fight and we're going to devour each other because that's what human being, apart from Christ, that's what human beings do.

1:30:53We envy, rivalry, pride, selfish ambition, that's human nature in its sort of sinful state. And so the only hope is we got to turn away from that. And then, okay, now we've got millions of people from different ethnic groups and we've got all these things. How are we going to sort it out, well, Jesus has to be at the center of that, or it won't happen. It can't happen. All you're going to get is more of this violence. That's the basic hope. That is, tribalism is a product of nature. It's the default setting in people. It inevitably becomes violent. It's a sadomasochistic dynamic always, and someone is on the wrong end of it, and the only way to avoid that is Jesus.

1:31:35That's my view. it's absolutely true it's absolutely true and and it's the solution to the kind of mob violence that we see right uh people always look for scapegoats they want to find someone to blame for all their problems and um because they have problems and they don't want to if they can't admit that like the biggest problem in the universe is me like my biggest problem is me right like i think i think i heard someone say that one time uh and my biggest problem is me and if they can't admit that then they're going to start blaming everybody and eventually they get enough people sharing their grievance that they're going to go take it out.

1:32:10And we saw that on Sunday. And so the only hope is own it, acknowledge like I'm the problem and God still loves me. He sent Jesus to die for my sins for goodness sake. And so he's welcoming me back. Like you can be the prodigal. And I just, again, as a pastor, thank you for having me on. And I just want to say to the people listening, like if you're the prodigal, if you're running away, whether you're a leftist or right wing or, you know, noncommittal or whatever, I don't care. like if you're the prodigal running away from God, like you can come home. Like he left the light on. He's got a really nice robe.

1:32:40He'll give you the ring. He'll kill the fatted calf. He'll throw a big party because he loves you. So you can just come back. You don't have to keep running. And if everybody would do that, like if God would be gracious to this nation and people would turn back to Christ, turn, and I mean, turn back to Christ, then we could, then we could talk, then the political stuff, it wouldn't work itself out. There'd still be bumps and we'd still have to work it out, but we'd have a foundation to build on. And so that really is the basic choice before us. Individually, the basic choice before us as a nation, it's Christ or it's chaos.

1:33:13There is no third option. There isn't one. That's all you got. It's true for every person. Joe Rigney, thank you. I really appreciate you coming on and putting that into perspective, and I appreciate your wisdom. Thank you. Hey, thanks for having me, Dr. I appreciate it. Thanks. We appreciate your watching. We'll be back next Wednesday live.