Tucker Responds to the Epstein Files, Pizzagate & the Demonic Global Crime Network with Ian Carroll

22:47Ian Carroll:And not only do they have a steady diet of that, but they feel compelled to email each other about it with very weird verbiage. How many grown men email each other about getting pizza? Or about how tasty the pizza was? Or about how many slices you can slice a pizza up into? Or how many people will be at the pizza party? Then there's another email in the current dump that is even... It stuck out to me because it has the word Red Hook in it, which at first, I didn't have the context. And it seems suspicious, the words Red Hook, where it was... Someone was emailing asking if another guy can go to Red Hook for a pizza meal later.

23:26Ian Carroll:And then in looking into it, it turns out that Red Hook is the address of where Jeffrey Epstein's Virgin Islands businesses are domiciled. It's on the marina where you would leave in the boat, to get to his island. And so then it's almost weirder. Someone was emailing asking if another man can go to where Jeffrey Epstein's business is domiciled for a pizza meal. There's a lot of emails like that where people ask if they can use the apartment for a bit or if we can go get pizza for a few hours or for 30 minutes. That's a PizzaGate reference as opposed to these emails. A lot of these times where it's they're using food language in ways that does not square with how food actually gets eaten or talked about ever.

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26:27Tucker Carlson:Dot com. Has anyone been asked about this? I mean, is it, you know, some, a lot of the people in these exchanges or apparently in these exchanges are still alive. Some of them are prominent people still, uh, including the, apparently the doctor in this exchange has, do you know if anyone has just been asked in a straightforward way, what do you, what, what was this?

26:51Ian Carroll:Not since Pizzagate, as far as I'm aware. Um, I mean, to be fair, it's, It's all a little new. We're still in the first week here. But no, I don't know of anyone being asked directly about any of these references or about any of the more overt stuff for that matter. The other very rich and powerful people that are caught with their pants down, so to speak here. A couple people have issued apologies. A couple people have resigned from positions. But it's entirely underwhelming, the official response. Because it's one thing for someone like you or me, journalists to go and ask questions, which is good and should be happening.

27:30Ian Carroll:But that's not what should be happening. What should be happening is law enforcement should be at their door knocking and asking these questions. We should have institutions that are there asking these questions and many more. This is a particularly interesting and dark thread when you really unwind it. But there's obviously all the other threads of just like, hey, you went to the island. Hey, you said you never talked to him, but you did. And none of those questions are being asked. We're being told that it's all a Democrat hoax and that Kash Patel would arrest someone if there was anyone to arrest.

28:06Ian Carroll:So it's very underwhelming.

28:09Tucker Carlson:Yeah. I mean, I always am suspicious of people who kind of jump ahead to things like arrest, conviction, incarceration, execution. How about let's just start with an interview? And, you know, I know a lot of people who've been interviewed by the FBI. I know hundreds of people who've been interviewed. Well, exactly. But in the context of a federal investigation, it's not crazy to call somebody. In fact, it's common. It happens every single day. Happened to, like, every relative of every J6 prisoner got called in, sat down. Can we come talk to you? I mean, that's not weird. That's the beginning of justice.

28:49Tucker Carlson:That's the first step in finding out what happened, punishing the guilty, exonerating the innocent, is having these conversations in the context of a federal investigation, like an FBI interview. And I find it very strange that none of this has happened. And so when you see people on television say, well, we don't have the, you know, any evidence to indict someone, you know, panel a grand jury. It's like, I don't know. Who talked about a grand jury? Why don't you just ask questions of the, you're the FBI. And if they're not doing that, then you sort of wonder why. So let me just, okay, so here's the bigger picture that you're qualified to provide and I'm not.

29:30Tucker Carlson:The implication of this and a lot of other things in this file dump is that there are basically religious rituals, sexual in nature. That's very common through history. There were temple prostitutes for a reason. There are rituals involving children underway in the United States and the West, rich and powerful people, sexually abusing young people. That is very hard for a lot of people to believe or metabolize. But it feels like that's not totally crazy. Like that happens. Does that happen?

30:08Ian Carroll:I mean, absolutely. Absolutely. It's so dark that it's hard for average people, regular people that are just trying to live their lives to even approach it. And even imagine, you cannot put yourselves in the shoes of someone so depraved. And honestly, regular Americans can't even put themselves in the shoes of a millionaire, let alone a billionaire. They're just trying to pay their bills and they can't because the billionaires are doing certain... These billionaires at least are doing certain things that are messing everything up. But so it's so far removed from our regular experience that it's hard to understand and believe.

30:45Ian Carroll:But it is... I mean, there's been good evidence of elements of that in various kind of fringe investigations for a long time. And I don't say fringe to mean they're unreliable. I mean, fringe to say that they just never get traction with the mainstream media for whatever reason.

31:01Tucker Carlson:Right.

31:02Ian Carroll:But it's right there in these emails and in these files. And it's not entirely clear what all of it means, but there's very overt references, there's covert references, and there's just mounting because people are still digging through them. These are millions of files and no effective way to sort through them the way that the DOJ put them out. And so the evidence is mounting more and more that we have everything in these files from people that were turning a blind eye, which is also reprehensible, people that were adjacent and complicit, people that were directly complicit, people that were straight up evil and disgusting, and then people that venture into the demonic or the truly depraved.

31:46Ian Carroll:And people that have been following this story have known for a long time that unfortunately, that's always been a part of it. And we've had evidence that that's a part of it for a long time. And that's true of most all human trafficking networks. The people that are doing human trafficking by their nature are some of the most depraved people on this planet. And it's an enormous industry. And it's not getting any smaller. And it's tragic that it takes something so overt as this massive blackmail ring, apparently, blowing up in the middle of the United States government and across the entire world.

32:27Ian Carroll:And then trailing out in a 10-year-long cover-up almost, seven-year-long cover-up for people to even confront that this is happening. But it's definitely happening. Not everyone in the files is participating in ritualistic sacrifices or anything like that. And there are fake things in the files that are... Yes. For whatever reason in there, for one example, one that went very viral, is there's an image in the files of a cutting board with chickens on it and a black box censored out, but there's a foot sticking out. And it's obviously a baby's foot. And the implication is that it's a cutting board with some chickens and a baby, and they're going to carve it up and eat it.

33:13Ian Carroll:By my understanding, that is a fake image. It's kind of hard to tell what's real and what's fake at this point, but there's stuff like that in there that's like... So there's just a lot of really messed up stuff in there. But there's also a lot of people running away with a little tidbit for views or clicks or likes or whatever it is. And so it's really important that people pump the brakes, slow down and go to the original source files and look for people that are citing their sources on the files that they're referencing. And when they make definitive claims, they show you the files that they're talking about.

33:51Ian Carroll:Because a lot of people are making claims that are actually objectively untrue or are based on a small morsel that has been blown up into a whole meal of great content, but not necessarily great journalism.

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36:03Tucker Carlson:I'm really almost overwhelmed by the cover-up of it and by the people I know who participated in that. And I'll just name two of them. One is Bill Barr, who's the two-time Republican attorney general, whose father, by the way, started Jeffrey Epstein's career. His father, Donald Barr, was a former OSS CIA officer. In the files, I should also say that Jeffrey Epstein describes Bill Barr, the former AG, as, quote, CIA. Jeffrey Epstein privately says this guy's CIA. Bill Barr covered up Epstein's murder. He was clearly murdered in federal detention. Barr said out loud, we got to make sure everyone thinks this is a suicide.

36:48Tucker Carlson:So why isn't he being asked about this? And the second is Mike Pompeo. and Mike Pompeo was caught plotting to murder Julian Assange, the head of WikiLeaks. Why is this significant? Well, because it was WikiLeaks that made that first tranche of emails available to the public. And it was Julian Assange who said on camera, basically said, my source, he didn't say this, he didn't say my source, but he heavily suggested in an interview with Dutch television, my source was Seth Rich, the DNC staffer who was found murdered on the street in Washington in a so-called robbery where nothing was taken from him.

37:25Tucker Carlson:That investigation was taken over by the FBI. What? Why? And Assange goes on Dutch television and says, I can't see who my sources are, but they face great risks. You can pull up the interview right now and look at it. And then he points to Seth Rich. And the interviewer's like, wait, are you saying Seth Rich was murdered for this? And Assange was like, look, I can't tell you who my sources are, but my sources take great risks. Seth Rich just got murdered. I mean, that couldn't be clearer, right? It was right after that, that Julian Assange was incarcerated first in an embassy in London and then in Belmarsh prison, never charged with a crime.

37:59Tucker Carlson:And that was pushed by CIA and Mike Pompeo. And it's like, wait a second. Shouldn't someone ask Mike Pompeo? Like, what is this? What is this? These are real allegations or credible allegations. And rather than follow up, you're punishing the guy who brought them to light. Tell us how that works, Mike Pompeo. I mean, Mike Pompeo is like wandering free. And no one asks him about this. Like, what is going on, Ian Carroll?

38:30Ian Carroll:Every time I talk about this story, every aspect of the story from Pizzagate to Epstein, everything in between, I always have to try not to get angry because when you think about, especially for me, the cover-up, it makes me so furious how regular Americans are going to jail over smoking a joint or going to jail over paying taxes that are getting sent overseas anyways, or going to jail over a parking ticket they can't afford, whatever it is, this madness in this country where we are law-fared to death. But these obvious criminals and these people that we at least have obvious questions for are just walking free.

39:09Ian Carroll:And you bring up two really great points that, I mean, in both cases, I think it's obvious that those actions are being taken on behalf of whatever criminal organizations or happenings are being exposed, for example, in those email dumps that Seth Rich probably leaked. Because it wasn't just Pizzagate stuff. It was also all sorts of Benghazi stuff, all sorts of Hillary Clinton stuff, all sorts of other really serious stuff that also was never asked of the appropriate parties. But I mean, when you start talking about who's still walking free that we should be asking questions of, and we're looking at the Epstein investigation, that list immediately grows to like 100 miles long.

39:52Ian Carroll:And we got in one of the document drops that happened a couple of weeks ago, and then we re-corroborated it multiple times since then. We got a list of 10 co-conspirators that they have had for years from one of their old investigations that just never happened. Because Cash Patel has been telling us there are no co-conspirators. There is no organization. It was just him alone. But we've got a document saying that they had 10 co-conspirators, one of whom was Leslie Wexner. They're named. And the list is long. There's pilots. We know their names. Larry Vysosky. There's three different pilots. There's a bunch of other madams like Ghislaine Maxwell, but assistants that were helping to recruit girls.

40:36Ian Carroll:There's a bunch of other people that were trafficking models and bringing models in and out. There's just this long, there's an enormously long list of people in various roles all around Epstein that we know full well were at the very least deeply suspiciously involved where they should be asked some very serious questions. I mean, right up to Ehud Barak, who by my accounting looks like the handler of Epstein. He certainly looks like we have all these emails from both Ehud Barak's email server now and from Jeffrey Epstein's trove of documents that corroborate them doing what looks like intelligence operations all around the world and in the United States.

41:24Ian Carroll:So there's just an endless number of people that, like you were saying earlier, that we could at least investigate because it's in the name, the Federal Bureau of Investigation. and they keep on giving us this line as though like, well, we've got emails, but it's not illegal to party with Jeffrey Epstein. And it's like, we're not asking you to read the emails. We're asking you to investigate all of the myriad suspicious things that are documented here in these files and emails. And instead of getting investigation, we're getting what looks like coverup, denial, distraction, anything. Anything but investigation.

42:02Tucker Carlson:And it kind of makes you wonder why. Well, it definitely makes you wonder why. And part of it is the political dynamic, which poisons everything. And Trump is obviously sensitive to partisan traps after the Russian nonsense, which was a lie. Russiagate was a lie. By the way, Russiagate was constructed, in my view, in part to cover up the origin of the DNC emails in 2016 and the John Podesta Gmail in 2016. Neither of which was done by Russia. Clearly, you know, there's a lot more there. We're not allowed to ask questions about Seth Rich. I don't know why. Seth Rich's parents don't own that story.

42:45Tucker Carlson:I feel so sorry for them, of course. But I'm an American citizen. And if someone is murdered on the street in Washington, we all have an interest in asking, what was that? That's not an attack on his memory. It's a demand for justice in the name of every single American, not just his family. They don't get to shut it down, sorry, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. All of this gets to the foundation of our system, which is justice. Is every citizen treated the same under the law or not? And if not, then we need to fix that. And I know that Trump is really worried this is a trap laid for him. I'm sure it is.

43:18Tucker Carlson:But let's set that aside and ask about the rest of us and whether our country can continue on the same basis that we assumed we were living under, which is, again, one of equal justice under law. So can you just go through some of the questions? And I think both of us are trying to be really responsible and fact-based here. Clearly, there's nonsense in this document dump. Don't want to get trapped by it. Don't want to fall for it. But on the basis of things that we can say with some certainty are true or seem to be true, what are the questions that you, having gone through this for several days now, think that we should be asking, following up on?

44:00Ian Carroll:Well, there's questions for a lot of different people. And some of them are more serious and some of them are maybe less serious. One of the biggest ones in many ways is how did we let Bill Gates be in charge of the medical decisions of our entire nation when apparently he was trying to slip antibiotics to his wife secretly because he transferred sexually transmitted diseases from hookers on Jeffrey Epstein's islands to her? That is insane. And when you look back at the absolutely, just the crime against humanity that COVID was, and you realize who Bill Gates is and who he's exposed to be in these emails, that's atrocious.

44:45Ian Carroll:But that's less of a question we need to ask and more of a person we need to just forget about forever, right?

44:52Tucker Carlson:Well, first of all, I just bless you for saying that and you put it so well. This is the guy who is making health decisions for the entire world. And apparently from these emails, he's trying to slip a drug into his wife's drink because he infected her with a venereal disease from a Russian hooker. So, yeah, I mean, that's just like, that's just amazing. Thank you for saying that. It's amazing.

45:16Ian Carroll:Yeah, that's apparently our health professionals, our pandemic response. But I think that everyone that's in the files has a certain amount of answering to do, for example, Elon Musk. And to Elon's credit, at least he's out on Twitter, at least putting his words forward. I don't know as they all square with me when you actually read what he said in the emails versus what he's saying on Twitter is the truth. But I haven't seen anything that directly completely 100 % contradicts one another, so to speak. Like, so there's reconciliations of, because that, for people that don't have the context, there's a bunch of emails of Elon Musk trying to sort of organize going to party with Jeffrey Epstein and explicitly saying, no, I want to go to a wild party.

46:06Ian Carroll:I'm not trying to have a relaxing vacation. I'm really stressed. I want a wild party. No big deal if it's a bunch of young girls. But also, it doesn't appear that they ever actually managed to make that connection happen for a party. They kept missing each other. He did have lots of meetings with them. So there's those sorts of reconciliations that need to happen. And then there's the overt lies, like Peter Thiel's connections to Jeffrey Epstein that have repeatedly been a moving goalpost of, I kind of knew him and I was kind of introduced to him to like, actually, you've got a whole bunch of emails with him.

46:40Ian Carroll:Actually, he funded your venture capital firm with hundreds of thousands of dollars. Actually, clearly, this relationship was much more extensive than you displayed at first. The same is true of Howard Lutnick. Howard Lutnick, who is the Commerce Secretary right now, neighbor of Jeffrey Epstein, is on video in interview explicitly, explicitly saying that I met him once way back and immediately knew he was a creep and me and my wife had to go and we never talked to him ever again, never saw him, never know, whatever. That's not true. He's in the emails, obviously, like going to the... He took his family to the island.

47:20Ian Carroll:They were hanging out together. They're going to parties together. So there's a whole spectrum of scandal for various people that I think needs to be answered for individually. And then there's sort of the collective government answering that needs to be done for for the current administration and all of the various... Because let's be clear, the partisanship, it is so past time for partisanship right now. This is an American issue. It's not a left or right issue. It's not just a Trump issue. It's not just a Bill Clinton issue. It's an everyone issue. It's a corruption issue. And if there's anything that should bring Americans together, it is harm to our children.

48:01Ian Carroll:And it is subversion of our nation using the harm of those children. And there's a bunch of people in Trump's circle and around him that are very much implicated in these files. There's obviously a bunch of Democrats that are super implicated in these files. Everyone all around Clinton, Clinton himself, insanely implicated. So it's not about which side is which. To me, the question there is, it's about our government institutions answering to how have you let this corruption seep in and rot this out at its core. And in many ways, I think the heart of who needs to answer for that is our law enforcement institutions, our FBI and our DOJ.

48:42Ian Carroll:And I can't think of anybody who I'm more disgusted by right now in our government than Kash Patel and Pam Bondi for their gross misrepresentation of what this is. And their blatant moving of goalposts on the way here. And what to me, in my opinion, looks like direct obfuscation of... Now that we've seen these files, now that we've read these documents, go back and rewatch what Pam Bondi said, what Cash Patel said, what Dan Bongino said about how there's no evidence that he trafficked girls to anyone. There's no evidence that he worked with anyone in any big conspiracy. It's mind-blowing that someone see these files, and we don't even have them all yet.

49:32Ian Carroll:And that's what you would come up with.

49:36Tucker Carlson:So, well, and to your last point, we don't have them all yet. My understanding is a little over 3 million, I think, documents. However, that's measured. They're not documents. They're different Yeah, yeah. Whatever. But that there are a million or more than a million more, this is like one tranche in a series.

49:55Ian Carroll:It's a little unclear. We were told that they had over 6 million. And so now that we have 3 point something million, speculatively, there's several more million to go. But we don't really know, as far as I'm aware, exactly what they have. And one thing that... I think we're at a time where it's important to remind the American people, because a lot of people actually didn't follow this story for a long time. A lot of people didn't read the literature that's been written on the case in the past. And a lot of people don't realize that it came out in the Glaine Maxwell trial, sworn FBI testimony, the testimony of FBI agents.

50:32Ian Carroll:It came out that when they first raided Jeffrey Epstein's home, and they found all those binders with all of those CDs in them that we now have photos of, of like, CSAM did not scan, CSAM did not scan. We've got all the binder photos with all the different little photos in it. They at first found those binders and all those CDs and all those drives, and they photographed them all and did not take them with them because it was not within the scope of their warrant. They left and left all of that material there with Jeffrey Epstein's staff at his place. And then they later asked them to send it to them.

51:07Ian Carroll:And it was sent to the FBI by Jeffrey Epstein's people. And they had no way to corroborate if any of it was untampered with, basically. They didn't even raid several of his properties. And some of the properties that they did raid, they basically had advanced warning, namely the island. So it's important to remember that A, we don't have all the documents that they actually do have yet. But B, the actual documents that they do have is built on such a pathetic original collection of evidence. Not because all the FBI agents were corrupt and didn't want to do it, but because something in the system, something in the nature of how this thing was protected, prevented any real acquisition of evidence where maybe they could have gotten...

52:00Ian Carroll:I'm sure they could have gotten a lot. But you're not going to get a whole lot when you raid the pedophile's mansion and say, hey, would you send me all your hard drives in a week? I would love to take a look at them. And so when that came out in the Ghislaine Maxwell trials a couple years ago, it was just sort of like a big slap in the face to the whole idea that we're ever going to get any real justice here. It kind of reminded me of MKUltra. What we have from the MKUltra documents is mind-blowing and messed up and completely unbelievable. But people often forget that But actually, our understanding at this point is that Dick Helms burned and destroyed well over 90 % of the actual files that once existed about it.

52:46Ian Carroll:So we're dealing with a slice of a slice of a picture at this point.

52:51Tucker Carlson:MK Ultra, approaching 60 years ago, this stuff is like, I mean, some of these files are seven years old. and the people engaged in these colloquies are still around it. By the way, I know some of them, which gets to the other point, which is like, how was Jeffrey Epstein at the center of everything, every global strategy? He was going back and forth on Libya. He was going back and forth in the global financial crisis. It's like there's really sort of no - He was deeply involved

53:24Ian Carroll:in the global financial crisis. He was actually selling CDOs.

53:29Tucker Carlson:Okay, so can you just, I mean, there's so much here, and I hope when I'm, you know, we're in the same place where we go through this in much greater detail. But can you just tell us what we know about that, Jeffrey Epstein's involvement or intersection with the global financial crisis? What's that?

53:47Ian Carroll:Well, the intersection with the global financial crisis specifically is a wild story that to be truly told, you need to put the evidence on screen as well. But the short version is that he had a company called Liquid Funding Limited that was domiciled in the Bahamas that was partially owned by Bear Stearns. And Bear Stearns is where he had come up for a long time. And Liquid Funding Limited was selling CDOs, the same types of CDOs that eventually caused the global financial crisis. It was capitalized at, I believe,$100 million and allowed to sell$20 billion with a B of CDOs. And I actually just was looking at that statistic earlier today because this is the craziest story.

54:35Ian Carroll:And that little CDO factory that Jeffrey Epstein was running tied into Bear Stearns. And if you recall, Bear Stearns was one of the first to collapse, right? That shut down in the months directly preceding Bear Stearns starting to collapse. And Jeffrey Epstein redeemed all of those CDOs, all of those assets. The terms are, I don't know the technical terms for what he did. But basically, he made a run on the bank on those exact assets that were the exact problem. And he was tied into the exact bank that was financially distressed. And then he wound that whole company, Liquid Funding Limited, up and disappeared.

55:20Ian Carroll:And later, JPMorgan, the bank that he later worked with after Bear Stearns was his early banking career. And then he later was doing all of his money laundering and banking and referring of people at JPMorgan. They came in, swooped up Bear Stearns for pennies on the dollar. They also later spun Liquid Funding Limited back up. There's a very overt financial paper trail that Jeffrey Epstein was better acquainted with the problem than almost anyone in the world because he was deeply enmeshed in Bear Stearns and knew the leadership of Bear Stearns very well. And he understood CDOs and he was selling CDOs.

55:57Ian Carroll:And then he just so happens to wind his whole shop up and close it down and redeem it all right at the moment when things are about to go bust. So that's a wild rabbit hole and it's very interesting. But I mean, what is it?

56:14Tucker Carlson:I mean, that suggests, well, it doesn't suggest it's like direct evidence of, if I'm assuming we can verify what you're saying, that like the biggest events in the world are actually not quite as organic or accidental as we're led to believe. And that, you know, this is like puppet master stuff. I mean, it is. I don't know what to say. I don't want this to be true, but that's what it looks like. Yeah.

56:41Ian Carroll:And the reason why I feel comfortable saying that is because I actually did produce an entire YouTube video on Teleprompter with my sources directly in front of my face. They're on screen. It's on my YouTube right now. Yes. I think it's titled Jeffrey Epstein Knew or He Knew. And I put it out middle to late last year and walked through document by document. Not that we know for sure. Not that he schemed it with his Illuminati buddies. But he was right at the heart of it, had all the knowledge of it. He was deeply connected to all the parties in it. And then the timing is just so coincidental. And yeah, it does start to make you wonder about how much of our global events are orchestrated versus not.

57:21Ian Carroll:But then you think about the global pandemic and you think about... We've got documents in the Epstein files that they're talking about getting a war in Ukraine started and how that's going to be good for business. And so these files have a lot of these world events woven throughout them, either directly or indirectly. It's sometimes hard to say. But the reason I think why Jeffrey Epstein is at the center of so many of these things, and at the center of so many circles, and at the center of so many important and powerful networks in our world is because Jeffrey Epstein was a professional money launderer.

57:55Ian Carroll:There's this facade as though we don't know how Jeffrey Epstein made his money. And then there's also a lot of people that will erroneously report that Jeffrey Epstein made his money in legitimate ways, but then got into crime or whatever. It's like, that is not true. Jeffrey Epstein went from legitimate-ish banking at Bear Stearns, where he was managing private wealth for clients. And then in the 80s, he went into his missing years, where he said that he was a bounty hunter for billionaires. But we have lots and lots of evidence that during that time, he was working with arms traffickers, Douglas Lees, Anand Khashoggi, and Robert Maxwell, and getting into money laundering for arms dealers because he was exceptionally good at complex financial transactions, using derivatives, using tax havens, using charitable structures of complex charitable organizations like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Clinton Global Initiative.

58:49Ian Carroll:And he got better and better throughout his career at basically committing complex financial frauds like the Tower Financials fraud that he was a major part of. And so when you get to the end of that line, and he is getting into the actual human trafficking side of it, the blackmailing side of it, money launderers are the node that all criminal networks have to flow through. Money laundering is the network, the node that any... Because it's not just like money laundering for criminal stuff. It's also if a billionaire wants to shelter their taxes or wants to pay less in taxes. And you can read the reporting about how Jeffrey Epstein referred Bill Gates and Sergey Brin and Benjamin Netanyahu and Larry Summers to J.P.

59:36Ian Carroll:Morgan for banking services. He referred a bunch of the wealthiest, most powerful people in the world to J.P. Morgan for banking services, right? Which is completely nonsensical if you take it at face value. But when you realize that that's like how when you're in high school and you need to know the guy that knows the weed dealer in order to get into the back door, it's like you need that trust network in a criminal space because criminals have to operate on trust. And so it's like you know a guy that knows a guy to get you in the back door for the back door of the banking system is what that looks like to me.

1:00:15Ian Carroll:And who would know that better than Jeffrey Epstein? And so there's this false narrative that we don't know how he made his money. We don't know what the network, like we don't, that we don't know, don't know, don't know. And what that means is that those people have not read what we do know. And there's a lot we still don't know. But how Jeffrey Epstein made his money and why he was at the center of so much is not the great mystery that it once was anymore.

1:00:43Tucker Carlson:So here's my big picture concern is that all these, our country and the entire West, the structure is representative democracy, some version of that, like the people rule. And it is therefore, these are all voluntary systems. Like people participate in the system, they pay their taxes, they obey the law, they vote, they abide by the results of those elections. All of this is just voluntary because we all believe that despite corruption and imperfection, the systems themselves are legitimate. They're kind of run on the basis of what they tell us they're doing. Like, this is all for our benefit.

1:01:25Tucker Carlson:If people decide that like, it's all fake, it's all totally corrupt, our welfare has nothing to do with why these systems are running. It's all like a scam. I don't know, like, what happens then? When you know this much about the corruption, can any of these systems continue? And I should just say for whatever's worth it, I like a lot of these systems. I grew up with them. Like, I'm for democracy. I'm for, you know, transparent justice and all that stuff. I'm not for tearing it all down, but I just, I'm starting to wonder, like, can any of this keep going now that we know a lot of the truth?

1:02:03Ian Carroll:Yeah, that is the million dollar question. And think... So I'm 33 years old right now. And I'm of the 9-11 generation. And I shudder to imagine how a 21-year-old must feel today or a 15-year-old must feel today. because even at my age, as a still younger adult, my generation is supposed to be moving into leadership roles and moving into positions of taking on the mantle of leading our country in the next 5 to 10 years. And we all grew up in this world where the first thing we knew as young thinking adults was 9-11. And every event since then has felt like a facade. It's all felt like lies. It's all felt like deception.

1:02:51Ian Carroll:And it's culminated in this moment where we get this massive dump of information that just explicitly tells us that all the way back to Bill Clinton's presidency and even before in a lot of ways, our government has been blackmailed on behalf of a foreign, malign, malignant sort of an interest that then when we all see in 2019 that this guy gets charged, They get all this evidence. It is now 2026. That is seven years of the American government doing absolutely nothing with this case. Not prosecuting anyone, except for Ghislaine a little bit. Not asking any questions, no investigations. We're like, we're told that this is America.

1:03:40Ian Carroll:We're told that this is the greatest country on earth. And what you would expect then from any decent country or any decent person, if you shrunk this down to a smaller kind of a frame of reference, is you would expect that you deal with it. You deal with it. You don't let people abuse children. You don't let people blackmail your politicians. You don't let people control your financial networks through coercion and bribery and control like this. And so when people in their 20s and 30s and everyone of every age sees that for decades now, our nation has been co-opted from the inside. And then when they find that co-option, and then still nothing is done.

1:04:23Ian Carroll:In fact, it's actually actively covered up for almost 20 years now since the initial sweetheart deal. Yeah, I don't know how you come back from that. And that's where it feels a little bit more like... You remember that? There's a famous tape that goes around of Yuri Bezmenov, I think his name is, describing KGB subversion, subversion of a nation and the stages of subversion. I kind of shudder to think this part of it all through, but it really does make me feel like, almost like we've been cast from worth being controlled to now just being subverted. Because when you've been that deeply compromised for that long, it almost reminds me of the man that has let his values slip for so long, has been lost in the bottle for so long, or has been cheating for so long, that once the lies all come out, once the pain all comes out, it's like there's no man left.

1:05:30Ian Carroll:There's no... Which is like, that's an unacceptable state of being. That's an unacceptable answer. I'm trying to raise a family in this country. I'm trying to raise children. I'm trying to have a future. And so I think there's people at all different stages of grief with this thing and rage with this thing. And I think that maybe people that skew older, maybe skew more towards trying to ignore it. And I think that people that skew younger, maybe also giving up about it. But I'm somewhere in the middle where it's like rage because we're supposed to have a future here. And I'm of the generation that's supposed to be here to do something about it.

1:06:18Ian Carroll:And everyone from my generation up to like Gash Patel's generation, for example, everyone of power seems to be just complicit or weak and spineless or unwilling to do something, unable to do something. So I don't know what the solution is, but it's just, it's unacceptable to me that there isn't one.

1:06:40Tucker Carlson:Well, that's right. But you also, like at the end of what you just said, you said people younger than you just accept it. I mean, older people can't deal with it. It's too much. It's too different from what they previously believed. And I understand they're tormented by it. Like, I don't believe this. It's all crazy. And by the way, I'm probably closer to that generation. I am closer than you are. And I kind of felt that way. Yeah. This is too crazy. This can't be real. I took my kids to brunch at Common Pizza. I know the guys who own it. Like, there's no way this can be real, right? I mean, I'll just admit it.

1:07:14Tucker Carlson:I felt that way. I was wrong, obviously. So, but I get that. But much more disturbing is not just that boomers are out of it. We knew that. But that young people are just like so basically have been made, let's just be honest, so decadent in their thinking that they're just like, yeah, of course. Of course we're ruled by satanic pedophiles. How terrible is that, that people are growing up in this country just assuming that the most grotesque crimes are the way things are?

1:07:49Ian Carroll:It's terrifying. It's absolutely terrifying. It's like the generation of children born into the camp that have never known anything else. Right. They've never known the freedom. They've never known the sunlight. Right? And for me, somewhere in the middle there, when I look at what that future looks like, if you let that subversion slide into one more generation, it's like, is it maybe that you never come back out? Do you never have a respectful country again? Do you never have the will to stand on your two feet and stand up for your rights as a human again? because I'm somewhere in the middle there where I at least remember when we all believed that we had a country and when we all believed that there was democracy, when we all believed that there was something going on here and that we would have a future.

1:08:43Ian Carroll:And looking at young people growing up, starting to accept that this is just the way it is and that nothing will ever be done, I shudder to think of if this generation doesn't pull it together and do something about this, And instead, we let the next generation grow into just being sedated by all the flashing lights and the phones and the TikToks and the whatever else. And just kind of sliding into the soma of it all, so to speak. That is the most horrifying idea in my mind ever. And that's like rage against the dying of the light. There is no worse fate, in my opinion. like death before sort of that slide down into the matrix, so to speak.

1:09:33Ian Carroll:And it does feel like this is the time.

1:09:36Tucker Carlson:It feels like it's when is the time,

1:09:39Ian Carroll:if not when 3 million documents come out.

1:09:44Tucker Carlson:So obviously we're just, I mean, I'm traveling. We're not, this just happened. You can't process this stuff quickly enough. I mean, we're just touching the surface of what's there, trying to sort through what's true and what's not, or even just to absorb it, like what's in those documents. So this is just the beginning. But I'm grateful you did this because I think you're an honest man, and I measure that in one simple test. Are you willing to admit if you're wrong? And you have demonstrated again and again. If you think you're wrong about something, you'll just say, I think I was wrong about it.

1:10:19Tucker Carlson:So that's what an honest man does. So I think you're honest. I think you're obviously very smart. You see the big picture and you care. So I just want to end on two questions. Where for people trying to assess this is a place to get more information about these documents? Like where, as a practical matter, like where can you go to fight? You can't just like scroll through Twitter all day. Like where can you find stuff, the primary documents? And two, what threads are you, you personally, Ian Carroll, following up on, like really getting into in greater detail and where can people find them?

1:10:58Ian Carroll:My recommendation for where people should go to look into this for yourself is to double check for yourself, basically, is you should pair two things together. One should be the primary source. And it should always be the primary source, which is justice.gov slash Epstein. And you should have that website open. And you should have the search bar right there. And anytime you see a reel on Instagram or a TikTok or something on X, you can pause that and you can screenshot it and you can zoom in and you can look at the words that are in that email or in that correspondence. And if you string together three, four, five words exactly as they appear in what you're seeing, And you put those words into the search bar, you'll find that email immediately.

1:11:44Ian Carroll:Because there's only so many emails that have, thank you for including me last night in it. And if you type, thank you for including me last night into that search bar, you'll pull up this one that I have on my screen right now, where it ends with, it was fun to catch up with all the girls. And so that is a way that you can, anytime you see someone referencing something that's in these files, take a quotation out, plug it in that search bar and double check it for yourself. because there's a lot of stuff like it went super viral that Jeffrey Epstein was Zoran Mamdani's dad, which is not true at all.

1:12:16Ian Carroll:And it was just like running away with this mad social media energy. So double check things for yourself. That's where I would go. And so with that in mind, then you're equipped to go watch YouTubers and go watch TikToks and go scroll X if you want to and just absorb it however you want to absorb it. Just remember to think for yourself and double check for yourself and take your time. Because there's so much here that a lot of people are jumping on narratives too quick. A lot of people are chasing clicks too much. And it's going to take months and maybe even years if the DOJ doesn't help for us to actually unravel everything that is in there.

1:12:56Ian Carroll:So take your time. As for me, I'm actually working on a tool designed to help everyone do this. We're naming it web after Gary Webb, and we're going to give it out to everybody where we're just going to put all the documents in and cross-reference them all. We're using a bunch of complex AI because I wanted to do it. And my buddy was like, hey, we can build that way better. And so basically building a tool where instead of just having a search bar, you can have conversations with all the documents, but actually have them primary sourced right there. so that when you want to know what's in the documents, you can get summaries of them, you can ask questions about it, you can search them all, but actually have the original primary sources there.

1:13:39Ian Carroll:So that's actually what I'm diving into really hard this week because I can search for the word pizza and pull up 851 results and open them one by one all day long. But ultimately, this data set is just way too vast and we need to make tools that let journalists dig through it in complex ways. because obviously the DOJ wanted it to be... Let's say that I suspect that the DOJ was not very interested in making them very accessible, as noted by them not giving us zip downloads to even download them with this time. So trying to make them more accessible.

1:14:16Tucker Carlson:Can I suggest a thread for a younger, more energetic man to follow up on? Absolutely. And that's Epstein's fixation on genetics. and biotechnology. And it's very clear to me, well, much is not clear to me at all. And I don't understand this category very well. I'm not a scientist or geneticist, but I have noticed, not just with Epstein, but with a bunch of people in Epstein's orbit, there is a fixation on genetics and changing genetics and improving people and cloning and really kind of tampering with the material of life in a way that someone who believed he was God would or someone who's involved in the supernatural would.

1:15:01Tucker Carlson:I mean, there's really heavy stuff here that really, really matters. And I have not seen anybody go into that in a methodical way at all.

1:15:12Ian Carroll:Yeah, I absolutely agree. There's a bunch about genetics and there's actually some stuff about transgenderism in there that's very fascinating and tend to look into that. And then one other of thread that you remind me of that I've been digging into actually for a couple of years now and then was just producing more on because there's a bunch more on it, is his Hollywood media connections through this woman named Peggy Seagal. That is, she is one of Hollywood's most famous madams that had her book of contacts that was getting Epstein into all these parties. And she's one of those nodes of this connection, this network that was immediately pushed to the side and hidden in the shadows.

1:15:55Ian Carroll:Like no one, she was blacklisted from all of Hollywood immediately. And I am very suspicious about why that was and why that still is. And so there's just loose threads in so many directions. And I kind of get led by what's the most like, for example, the genetics, what's the most like messed up or scary or sketchy direction that he's going. And then the other thing that kind of pulls me in a direction is, where's the dig that looks like there's the most in it about whatever topic? And so those are two that very much have my attention.

1:16:33Tucker Carlson:Ian Carroll, thank you for taking the time to do this. Again, we're just at the very beginning, but I felt like a lot of us, maybe all of us, were being manipulated in the way that we respond to these files. Clearly, we are. And so I just wanted to stop and reorient what we know is true at this early time and how should we be thinking about it? And as usual, you just delivered. So thank you. Thanks a lot, Tucker. Appreciate it.