Tyler Oliveira: Exposing Somali Welfare Abuse, Republican Hypocrisy & the Group You Can’t Criticize

25:23So if they say, vote for this guy, they consistently show up on behalf of that candidate. There's no partisan loyalty. They'll shift from Democrats to Republicans as long as the benefits outweigh. one party over the other. So they're the perfect voting block. No one wants to stop their gravy train for fear of losing their votes. So democracy has been literally subverted. Or hijacked here. Yeah, hijacked. Seemingly, in exactly the same way it has been in Lewiston, Maine, and Minneapolis, Minnesota by the Somalis. Yeah, seemingly an organized group, a small organized minority can disproportionately impact everything.

26:04Could you have these communities without welfare? No. Actually, you could. The Jewish community would not because they're so dedicated to studying full-time, spending so much time praying, etc., etc. Although there are precedents for that being possible, which I always bring up the Amish community. They're self-sufficient. They're fully reliant on their own sweat and toil. It can be done. So the Christian community pays for itself. Exactly. Exactly. Okay, but the others don't. Seemingly not. So the Amish, this is a dumb question. I just assumed I knew the answer, but it sounds like you really do.

26:40The Amish are not on welfare. They're not living. No, no, they are philosophically opposed to taking welfare. They do not want to take any welfare. They find it as shameful as most people probably should, right? Because it's a safety net to reduce poverty and not a way of life. and not a strategy for maintaining a lifestyle of having seven to 10 kids when you can't afford to otherwise, I think. Of course not, right? Especially in a country that has no state religion, that isn't allowed to support theocracy. I mean, speaking for myself, and I think I'm reflecting the constitution. Yeah. I absolutely think that Orthodox should have a right to any kind of religious practice they want, as long as it's not hurting anyone.

27:24And same with the Somalis, same as the Muslims in Michigan. same as the Amish in Pennsylvania. But the idea that taxpayers would support someone else's religion is not allowed, right? And it's even funnier for me because for some of these groups, there is outward hostility, right? You take some of these, I would argue these Orthodox Jewish groups, there is in fact hostility when we were there asking people questions, asking them what they do for a living, how they get their money, how they afford their little society. There is hostility. So for me as a taxpayer, it's like, we're going to take your money.

27:57If you question it, you're anti-Semitic and we hate you. What was anti-Semitic about it? The ADL said it harkened back to anti-Semitic stereotypes of them being a drain on society or something like that. When it's all statistically corroborated, I'm not pulling these out of my ass. These are welfare stats I was quoting. And then I would go to the direct source asking these people, what do you do for a living? How many kids do you have? How do you afford your kids? Are you on welfare? how is that anti-semitic why do they get their own brand of uh their own proper nounage of racism that never made sense to me i agree it's odd right it is odd it's weird yeah it is odd um i haven't thought too much about that but i think that's you make a fair point um how is it how is bigotry against one group different from bigotry against any group and of course if you believe in absolute standards.

28:55It's not. It's all the same. It's all varieties of the same thing. But if you believe that only one group should be immune from criticism, then you're not against racism. Of course, you're an advocate of racism. Sure. Right. You're arguing a kind of supremacy. Yeah. Jewish supremacy. Yeah. Or any kind. I mean, any kind. You know, if you can attack anyone but white Episcopalian men. Everyone else is fair game except me. What other group can you not discuss though, right? I don't know. You can disrespect Christianity without any flack. You can disrespect Islam legally. They might kill you for it.

29:27And seemingly with Jews, or at least some of these groups of Jews, the legal fair may begin. You might get deplatformed or pulled off some sites. So what happened? Okay, so what happened? So you do this video in New York at Kirstowell. What kind of reception does it get? The Americans are happy. Thank you for calling this out. the locals who live in nearby communities. Thank God someone has finally spoken out about this. Oh, the locals have strong feelings about it. Oh, they're perpetually grateful to me because no one has ever touched this because seemingly it's radioactive. If you have any political ambitions, they die overnight if you talk about this.

30:07This is a strong voting block. And on top of that, they're leveraging the generational guilt of the Holocaust. You're anti-Semitic if you oppose any of what they're doing. so I was a hero to the local communities that live nearby just to be clear yeah the holocaust was not committed by americans we were actually the people who ended it I think you can't make this up tucker right no but I just want because history does get so distorted in real time america did not commit the holocaust what does that have to do with me we lost yeah many many many tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of americans fighting against it so actually America is the hero in that story.

30:47So I don't know why any American would feel guilt about something that we gave the lives of our ancestors to stop. So that's just my... I think that's a great point. It is a weird thing. It's a defense. It's a mechanism that's almost reflexive for a lot of these people to throw out the anti-Semitism and then the conversations buried. So it's a shield to dissuade further argumentation as to why I disagree with, let's say, a Jewish group, their actions. Right. And it's abused, obviously, and its weight seems to no longer exist. I'd heard that it was abused. Yeah, I'd heard that. I mean, I think so.

31:24Right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, someone had told me that. But for me, to clarify, I'm an equal opportunity offender, so to speak. I think you've demonstrated that. Yeah, I'll talk to any of these groups of people and have plenty of critical questions for all of them, not just Jewish people. I didn't wake up one day and say, let's go piss off some Jews, right? This is a perfect example of an ethnic enclave that exploits the welfare system. And let's go check it out. Just like I would a Muslim group or a Christian group. Just as you did. Exactly. Exactly. So, okay. So you get big numbers. The audience likes it.

31:57The neighbors are grateful for it. A bunch of Israelis say, hey, we love this because we've lived it. Yeah. Yeah. Where does the criticism come from? Republican demagoguery. I think some politicians, Republican politicians, the Republican Party at large is as opposed to it. Really? The left can get behind it. A lot of the right can get behind it. But also a lot of the right is disgusted by it. How dare he engage in anti-Semitism? The ADL says it harkens back to age-old anti-Semitic tropes. Yeah, I don't even know what to say. that's unbelievable so how did for me it's just laughable you know did any of the people who praised your Somali expose absolutely did they attack this yes same people yes yeah I would give names but their names are probably too irrelevant to invoke here at this table but you know certainly hypocrisy you know of people who praised one video exposing parasitic behavior by an ethnic enclave but attacked the same thing when it was another enclave.

33:09For sure. For sure. Okay. And you would think even secular Jewish communities would be like, hey, thanks for pointing this out. We appreciate that, which some of them did, of course. But largely, there is a tribal mentality of why are you attacking these poor, innocent Jews who just want to mind their own business? That's great. Go mind your own business. Not on my dime, Tucker. I pay taxes. Oh, I agree. Quit taking money out of my wallet. If you want to go live in the woods, do it. Work hard enough to buy your own property and go do it. I shouldn't have to subsidize your lifestyle. It's that simple.

33:39I totally agree. Beyond that, though, there's no beef, there's no frustration, there's no hatred. It's just a matter of fact. Any honest person sees exactly the point you're making and it's pretty hard to disagree with it. Yeah. Any serious person. Well, yeah. I mean, if you think this is okay, is it okay to have, I don't know, some Christian Nazi group or whatever? Yeah, and to that point, right, so there's that all-white community that's trying to start up in the Arkansas, the Ozarks in Arkansas. They're going to get sued into oblivion. Just for existing. Just for violating the Fair Housing Act, right?

34:11For discriminating against non-whites. For those who don't know, it's a group in the Ozarks that's trying to build an all-white town. Yeah. That's illegal. With tax money? No, self-funded. So the beauty of Curious Joelle to me was we're essentially going to de facto violate the Fair housing act de facto segregate ourselves from secular society with secular taxpayer dollars and if you don't like it you're anti-semitic fuck you that was my takeaway what's what's happening white people can't do it and uh yeah i mean i think blacks tried to do it in downtown philadelphia in the mid 80s and they got firebombed by the mayor yeah yeah they literally got blown up with a bomb.

34:56Not that, you know, look, whatever. I've never been for racial separatism, but like, I also believe in freedom of association and do whatever you want. That's the conflict, right? I think actually you should be able to do that. I don't have, I don't really take any problem with them segregating. That's fine. Why would you not want to live next to people that look like you worship the same God, pray like you, raise their children the same way? Yeah. But why can they only do it? That's all. Well, here's a pretty awful statistic. Over 85 % of the so-called grass-fed beef sold in this country comes from other countries.

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36:38We don't want to touch that. So I can talk about Muslims, Christians, pimps, prostitutes, any group you can imagine. but this was the no-no, Tucker. This was the radioactive topic. But you had an advertiser in the video. Typically, they do not ask me for the topic of the video. For this video... I've never been asked the topic of a video. I generally have creative flexibility to place these sponsorships I get on whatever video I please. But for this one, I put out a tweet saying, have you ever heard of Curious Joelle? And I broke down some of the statistics regarding their welfare use. And I'm not going to name the company, But one of the correspondents on behalf of the company saw it and wanted to clarify that it would not be about the Orthodox Jews.

37:25And then when I said, yeah, it is, they pulled out. So obviously, they have the right to spend their money how they please. It's just funny. And it goes to show seemingly which groups you cannot talk about. Well, I think that's pretty clear at this point. I have a lot of thoughts about that. The main one is I think it's counterproductive. Obviously, it's not good for anyone in the end. But I also think it's a violation of the core idea of America, which is... And it leads to resentment, I think, for a lot of people. Big time. And it sort of proves their points right in the sense of, you have special privileges.

37:59No, I don't. You can't talk about us. Shut up. Okay, so you do have special privileges? Well, I agree with that. Do you? So after that video, so many residents from New Jersey reached out to me and said, hey, we have the same thing going on here in Lakewood, New Jersey and surrounding towns. Please come here and take a look. So Lakewood, I think, is the most populous Jewish town besides Brooklyn, New York, and the United States. Massive Orthodox Jewish community. And many of the towns have been turned over, so to speak. Non-Jewish towns have become predominantly Jewish towns in the last two decades, from my understanding, in the early 2000s especially.

38:41and it has been perpetrated through pretty aggressive methods, so to speak. Really? Yeah. So we're talking about the consolidation of political dominance from the township board to the planning board, to the zoning board, to the school board, and the heritage residents in these areas. Their argument is they've made it so uncomfortable for us that we've either left if we've had the means to leave financially, and those who are left behind send their kids to a dismantled, deluded, and pillaged public school system that's been destroyed inadvertently by the presence of these Orthodox Jews. How has it destroyed the school system?

39:24In New Jersey, the state funding formula for schools is a derivative of public school attendance. So if I had 5 ,000 public school attendees, that would be multiplied by X to determine the amount of money my school gets. So what happens is when Orthodox Jewish communities come in, they overwhelm these school districts with Jewish students who go to yeshivas, right? They do not attend the public school system. Yet simultaneously, those schools have an obligation to fund private transportation, special education for these private schools. So what ends up happening is a large piece of the pie ends up getting allocated towards these private schools in the form of gender segregated busing and exorbitant costs for special education within the Jewish community.

40:15Wait, the state pays for gender segregation? Gender segregated busing. Yeah. The state pays for that? Correct. So that's state funded. You can't even get states to have gender segregated bathrooms, but they're paying for gender segregated busing? Sure, because they argue it's a violation of their freedom to religiously express themselves. And yeah, there's gender segregated busing at play. What about Title IX? There's no federal law. Well, that's amazing. Sure. Yeah, someone argued it's a violation of the Establishment Clause. By the way, just in point of fact, I'm okay with gender segregation.

40:48I don't have a problem with it at all. In fact, I think it's good in some ways. But I just didn't know that the government could pay for it because I thought the official position of the government at every level was gender segregation is always bad, including in the John. Yeah. But no, it's okay when - I guess. The yeshivas do it. Sure. Because they're a religious organization. Okay. Which, you know, different conversation, but religious freedoms in this country, I think have gone too far or have been weaponized by bad actors. Yeah. I mean, there seems to be less religious freedom for some people, but a lot more for others.

41:19Yeah. And this is not the only instance of this exact same behavior. The blueprint was made in East Ramapo in Muncie, New York. not too far away. Basically, Orthodox Jews came into this community of mostly black and brown working class poor people, bought a bunch of real estate, established their presence, voted themselves into positions of power in the school board, the zoning board, the planning board, the city council. They voted to defund afterschool activities for the kids in the public schools to increase the amount of funding for these yeshivas. And then they would consolidate the public schools that existed as the funding basically went down and the public student enrollment went down.

42:07As people left, they would consolidate them, meaning they would close down some of the public schools and they would then sell them off for a discounted price to these yeshivas. So the takeaway from nearby towns... And so they actually took over the physical plant of the public, the buildings? They bought the schools at discounted rates. Yeah. Below market rates, arguably. Damn. It's brutal, right? So the lesson for nearby towns was we don't really have any upside for these people to move in if, A, the state funding formula is designed in such a way that the quality of our kids and their public education will go down.

42:49and they will elect themselves into political power and basically be aggressive and unreasonable neighbors to live by. So, yeah. That's an amazing story. Yeah, it's interesting. So you get calls from people saying that this is going on. What you covered in New York is happening. It's even bigger. Not a call, just widespread social media feedback. Like, hey, what you saw here, there's tons of it and more here in Lakewood come down and visit. So what's Lakewood like? Lakewood is some would describe it as Little Jerusalem Israel 2.0 I've never been to Israel the climate's fundamentally different obviously that's a questionable comparison but New Jersey is the same size as Israel weirdly.

43:39Funnily enough but I bet you the landscape in Israel is more charming probably so right it's the holy land right I mean, it's New Jersey, first off. It's an ocean county. The climate's much different, but it is densely populated with, I think, two-thirds of the population is Orthodox Jews. The driving's terrible. And they run the show down there. And you went? I went. I went to Lakewood. I went to Munson, New York. I went to the nearby town of Jackson, Jackson Township. Where else did we go? We went all over. What kind of experience did you have? Oh, I was the boogeyman. A lot of these people had seen the video in Kirish Joel, and they were afraid for me to come down to Lakewood, New Jersey.

44:24There were group chats where they would disseminate Yiddish posters basically saying, do not talk to anyone with a camera. Do not let anyone in our synagogues play Disney music so he gets a copyright claim on his videos. I was the devil after that video in Kirish Shoel came out in other Orthodox Jewish communities. Because I also put out a tweet saying, I'm going to come down. Let me know if you have any tips. I'm coming, basically. Wow. So what happened when you got there? Did anyone talk to you? Of course. Yeah. Despite them being told not to talk to me, a lot of Jewish people did come up to me.

45:02And their main point was, the law is written in such a way that we deserve to receive these welfare benefits. We qualify legally, and therefore it's okay and good. And if you have a problem with that, go move to a different country. My position was - Go move to a different country? Sure. I mean, obviously not all of them thought that way. There were a few friendly encounters, but mostly it was pretty confrontational, unwelcoming. They were frustrated that I was there. I can take it, therefore I'm justified in taking it? Yeah. So beyond the ethics of whether or not it was a good or bad thing to do, their justification was if the law is written in such a way, we are justified in doing it.

45:40The law was somehow supreme over what I would argue to be morals or ethics that, in my opinion, this is a bad thing to exploit or take advantage of if that's what you're doing. But for them, it's not coincidental. It's by design. It's systemic exploitation of a system they're fully aware of, all of its loopholes. They understand the law in such a way that allows them to exploit it in every degree. I mean, I think what you're seeing is a clash of worldviews. I think so. So I understand both, by the way. I understand both. Yeah. But one is a legalistic worldview. This is the law and we're within the bounds of the law, which is, I think, totally defensible.

46:15And the other is, well, there's a higher law having to do with your ethics. Honor, shame, decency. Yes. And you see this repeatedly in the New Testament when Jesus heals on the Sabbath. Yeah. there's a, well, they're all famous scenes, but there's a particularly memorable scene where he heals a guy who's been crippled for 38 years at the pool of Bethsaida. And the guy gets up and picks up his mat and starts walking and the Pharisees are just on him. The guy hasn't walked in 38 years. They're like, you're holding your mat on the Sabbath. It's against the law. Sure. And Jesus is like, no, you're missing the point.

46:49Yeah. He can walk after 38 years. Like there's a higher calling here. And so I'm not attacking anybody. I'm just saying like, I think you're kind of seeing that Law versus ethics morality. I think that's right. In my opinion, the way I view what welfare was designed for, which was to help indigence, you know, poverty, a single mom with some kids they can't afford to pay for groceries. Or even more broadly, there are things that we're allowed to do that we don't do because we restrain ourselves. I agree. I can scream the F for it at a grandmother. There's no law against it, but I don't because that's disgusting, right?

47:21I think so. You could probably get on welfare right now. Oh, I'm sure a lot of people could and don't due to this concept of shame, which is seemingly not universal, right? Yes. We let all of these groups of people from all over the world, including Jewish people, right? Including, you know, sub-Saharan Africans, whoever it may be, into the United States. Because apparently we have this obligation of being a melting pot, whatever that means, however new that concept is. and we're surprised when we learn that we have different worldviews, different values, different gods, different interpretations of reality that guide our actions.

47:58Thus the divide because the heritage residents in a city like Lakewood are saying, yeah, we know you can legally qualify, but we're tired of paying for your shit. Please stop. And they're saying, the law says I can, therefore I will. And anti-Semitism. If you don't like it, leave. therefore leave you leave your country despite their whole lifestyle being contingent on being subsidized by the welfare that is paid for by secular tax dollars is my position so you can't be mad at the person that funds your entire way of life I think that's disingenuous and that's a little ungrateful it's the definition of it do local politicians do they weigh in on this

48:44they didn't weigh in on it directly when I put my video out. But all local politicians cave to these guys. The voting block is too immensely valuable for anyone to shut this down, to cap the amount of benefits that they receive to two kids or three kids. No one wants to take away their gravy train because they want the votes. So the votes in exchange for them to be able to live the life however they want to please, to teach their kids however they want, to exhaust the welfare, system however they please and to not prosecute seemingly any wrongdoers. So, yeah. So, this video comes out. Did you have any, I should ask, did you have any like hostile exchanges?

49:30Did you call me? Yeah, for sure. I mean, I want to emphasize that I had no fear of being physically harmed in these communities. That's, I got to throw a bone their way. Unlike Minneapolis, I did fear the Somali communities, you know, attacking me or shooting me. That's a real fear. Showing up to Curious Joel or Lakewood, that's not a real fear. There's no fear of physical harm, in my opinion. I walk without security there. That's not a real concern. Whereas you felt threatened in the Somali neighborhood. Sure, yeah. I mean, or some of these crime-ridden, predominantly black cities in, let's say, Jackson, Mississippi or Kensington, Philadelphia.

50:06I might fear I might get shot. That's not a concern here. So I'm not physically fearful. But we were intimidated by the local police. And most interestingly, their own internal police. They have this thing called Shamrim. It's a volunteer community patrol. But the de facto function is law enforcement within the community. So we had this Shamrim volunteer police equivalent basically show up to us and say, I'm going to let everyone know that they don't have to answer your questions and we're going to follow you. So keep in mind that these people drive cars with red and blue lights. They look like undercover police vehicles.

50:53How is that legal? I don't think it is, Tucker, but they do it. I'm not a lawyer, of course. But they're blasting through red lights with what appear to be undercover police cars. And this is a volunteer civilian patrol squad. Now, keep in mind, they receive some element of federal funds, township funds. So my tax dollars still somehow end up funding Shamrim, a volunteer police squad in New Jersey. How is that even possible? The religious police. Exactly. Essentially. Like in Saudi Arabia or Iran. So imagine if a Muslim group did that. Outrage. I'd be opposed. I'd be opposed. Outrage for me too.

51:37Sure. Yeah. And technically they're a volunteer civilian patrol squad, but they function as an intimidating force to stop you from doing things, to sort of enforce the law. And oftentimes they've been accused of breaching what they can actually do legally, whether it be like, I think they beat some gay black guy to blindness once in like Crown Heights. There have been several instances of people basically saying, yo, they're not cops. Why are they acting like cops? They ran over a kid in Crown Heights in the 80s and caused one of the biggest riots in New York. Oh, is this the one? The Crown Heights riots.

52:14Yeah. Were Hatzola, their EMS, their volunteer EMS. I think that's exactly - They didn't take the kid, but they took the Jewish guy, right? That's correct. And the kid died? That's correct. Well, that was the claim. I mean, I wasn't there. and no, I wasn't. I wasn't there either. It's New York and like you never know and everyone lies about everything and ethnic conflict is incredibly hard to decipher. Like what, because as soon as he gets tribal, everyone lies on behalf of the tribe, whatever the tribe. It's not just the Orthodox, it's the black people. Any tribe does this. So I don't really know what happened, of course.

52:45But yeah, I don't know. That was certainly the account that history has recorded. And why wouldn't they have an in-group preferential bias, right? Well, they do. Any person does, obviously. Whites don't. With the exception of post-George Floyd, I'm pretty sure they ran a study where whites were less inclined to shoot a black guy. Of course, much less. Obviously, right? Their whole life is going to get torn to shreds. Right, and whites have just had it beaten out of them. And even in a country that fought the Nazis, everyone somehow feels responsible for the Nazis. But anyway, yeah, and there may be other reasons, but the bottom line is you're right.

53:23Yes, we had rabbis telling us we couldn't be in the parking lot for the Kosher West supermarket. Get out of here. People whispering in each other's ears, don't talk to him. There's seemingly this upper management rabbinical class that's telling the plebs to not talk to this guy. He's trouble. So there would be a lot of people excited to come up to me, actually, and tell a joke. Yeah, yeah. I got a funny joke for you. I was like, all right, great. We'll show some positives. Guy comes up, or don't talk to him. he says do you know how much money we make that was his new response i'm like come on man just show your humanity talk to me i'm here to talk i'm not a scary guy we're not rolling with 10 security guards it's me and like a cameraman or two in the distance i'm walking alone for the most part and i have a group of 10 to 20 of these orthodox shoes arguing with me as to how they're entitled um to welfare how it was seemingly promised oh man but uh yeah so they had their own internal police force.

54:23The cops themselves were pulling me over without probable cause. I would say, hey, officer, I know you're doing your job. Why am I being pulled over? They would say, you're a suspicious person. I would say, what's suspicious about me? You were filming. Okay, we were filming on the sidewalk. Give me your IDs. They can't articulate probable cause. We suspect that one of the high-ranking local officials called the police and told them to give us a hard time. That's speculative. I don't know. What country is this again? The United States of America. It's easy to forget though, right? So yeah, it was hostile.

54:58It was unwelcoming. They thought I was there to do a hit piece. I was there to talk to them. You're allowed to do a hit piece if you want in your own country. Yeah. And I am allowed to do that. And part of my position was, first of all, it wasn't a hit piece. It was fair in my opinion. But B, I don't have to show up to show the positive sides of whatever community. that's for Joe Schmo to do. I'm here to jump into the heart of darkness and ask the hard questions. And if people get pissed off, then so be it. It's not your problem. That's not my prerogative. I want to do the fun, hard stuff, which is asking the questions that may piss off a few people.

55:35So did you get the same picture you got at Curious2L that this is a community supported by welfare? The economics are a little bit different. They're a little more well-off financially. But basically, at any given time, you can expect half of the population that's 16 and up to be unemployed. Half? Half. So keep in mind, though, Tucker, that in a place like Curious Show, I think the median age is less than 16 years old. So what that really means is half the population is children and half of the adult population is unemployed and not seeking employment. And whether it be religious study, child rearing for the women, they have no intention of getting a job and financially contributing.

56:20So, yeah. So how'd that video do? Oh, that one went nuclear. Republicans were pissed. They were? good faith Republicans, in my opinion, drew comparisons to the Somali situation and said, what's the difference between the Jews here using the welfare and systematically exploitative ways and the Somalis? Like, what's the difference, basically? Bad faith Republicans, hypocritical Republicans were saying they're using the system as intended. They don't cause any violent crime. Leave them alone, essentially. You're not allowed to talk about. Why don't they leave us alone. Right? As a taxpayer. Yeah.

57:04Go fund it yourself and no one would have an issue. And that's really the crux of it. I support it. Sure. I like eccentric, self-sufficient religious communities. I don't want to bother any one of them. Sure. But part of the secondary argument is their intrusion into the community, and the words I used were invasion, has led to the inadvertent destruction of the public school system for the secular or goyim population, the non-Jewish population in these towns. Basically, as more Jews move in, it is unavoidable that your public school quality will go to shit. Your kids will have a lesser quality of education.

57:42So it's either get out now while you can, sell your house to the Orthodox Jews moving in, or be the last one holding the bag as your town goes to shit. Man, that's upsetting. Kind of, right? So this video goes bonkers on the internet. Yeah. So within, I think, less than 24 hours, my Patreon is deleted mysteriously. What's Patreon? Patreon is a sort of a crowdfunding website that allows you to directly raise money from your viewers or fans or whatever, where you can say, hey, you can get access to these videos for five bucks a month. So a large portion of our independence was from this website where we had people subscribe to our Patreon It's just a website that allows you to collect money on a subscription or routine basis Um less than 24 hours after releasing this video my patreon is deleted gone without warning Why?

58:41They cited some bs they basically the way the terms of service is written is in such a manner that they can take you down but that's your business that's my business right obviously it's their business it is what it is I was naive but this is the engine of your business yeah a large part of how we're funded I mean it's really just a middleman that allows me was it a mistake? no absolutely not I've not been reinstated since did they ever explain? no No, they cited, I think it was for bullying or something like that. Bullying? Yeah. And I think they might have selected a video that they could easily argue was the case in their eyes in such a way that their terms of service is written.

59:30But no, we were deplatformed basically overnight from Patreon. But you'd done controversial videos that could be seen as controversial before, correct? We've done videos that could easily be seen. And if that is your parameter for hate or bullying, then we've bullied everyone. Give me an example. We're the biggest bullies. We've critiqued corrupt mega pastors like Benny Hinn. I ran up on the guy's stage and said he's a snake oil salesman. I got tackled. Wow. We've dissected. Benny Hinn. Benny Hinn. He was a friend of Paula White's, I think. Okay. Paula White, the head Christian Zionist in the administration.

1:00:10Yeah. Wow. You didn't get pulled off? No. So you actually kind of hassled Benny Hinn, like full-blown. Yeah, we interrupted his service. Whoa. I jumped on stage. Did you do anything like that in a synagogue in Lakewood or Curious Jouel? We just walked in the synagogues in time. You didn't interrupt the cantor or anything? No, I didn't do any dramatic. So you're way tougher on the Christian preacher than you were on the Orthodox. Yeah, you know, if you think of it like that way, not by design necessarily, but to be fair, absolutely. Nothing happened. No problem. No problem. What else? What other kind of videos might have been read as bullying?

1:00:42If I'm a bully, then we've bullied pedophiles. Pat myself on the back for that one. It's not so much bullying. We've just critiqued and asked critical questions to every group. And never... Muslims, Christians, pimps, prostitutes, criminal gangsters, murderers, whoever, Tucker. Everyone. And did Patreon ever... Black supremacists, white supremacists. no, no issue on Patreon. What's interesting is it used to be not that long ago, back in George Floyd times, that... George Floyd, we had a video on George Floyd. Oh, did you? Literally? Yeah. But there was a period where you couldn't say anything about Black Lives Matter, for example.

1:01:24Yeah. Do you remember that? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I grew up in those times. Yes. So, that's gone apparently. It doesn't matter. I guess. Say whatever you want. Yeah. This is the new BLM. This is the new meta, yeah. The new untouchable group is seemingly, it seems to be Jews at large, unrelated to how they feel about Israel and what's going on in the Middle East. And just that's an untouchable group. Are you familiar with the proposed, what, anti-Semitism protection laws in Florida? I'm not a lawyer. I don't have an encyclopedic breakdown of what it is. But basically, laws that are designed in such a manner that if you criticize basically exactly what I found in Curious Joel, that that would be criminal.

1:02:09Criminal? I think so. That if you accuse a Jewish person of having dual loyalty or them causing problems in the Middle East or whatever it is, there's like 12 different bullet points that amend your ability to freely discuss what's going on in the Middle East or here in the United States of America. Which is funny to me because there are, in fact, people who do have dual loyalty. We should have a revolution over that. I mean, you're not allowed to tell Americans what they have to believe, period. I think so. And if you back up your demand with guns using our government to prevent us from saying what we think is true, then that's grounds for— I would agree, but who's going to do anything bad?

1:02:51For a revolution. We had a revolution over something smaller than that. Yeah, but who's going to go out with guns and fight back at this point? You have the surveillance state. You're going to get arrested immediately. Is revolution really— If they can make people take the vax, then probably they can make them do anything. We failed the compliance. No, you're right. You're right. No, it's right. It's just that you would think that people would hold on to their core freedom, which is the right to say what you think is true, period. You would think a lot of things, Tucker. No, I know. So Patreon, that's crazy.

1:03:26So you lost an advertiser. Overnight, yeah. And that money, the amount of money that was allocated for me to receive, I think on a monthly basis, just disappeared, refunded to my supporters. Seriously. Yeah, but luckily, you know, we're big enough to where we took it like a champ. It is what it is. Fuck them, basically. Yeah. We made our own website. You know, we fully host that. And then I got banned from the website servers, not once, but twice. What? Yeah. I couldn't host my website for, what was it? Hate speech or something along those lines. Seriously? Seriously, yeah. Because of those videos?

1:04:05I guess. I mean, there's no specification as to which video, just generally. I'm a propagator of hate speech. The web host. The web host. Whoever owns the servers. Exactly. Just the servers. So Hertzner and Volter took me off. Yeah. That's wild. Crazy, right? It's just something you never would have thought of. Did you think of it ahead of time? No, absolutely not. That's why I made the website in the first place. I was like, I'll just make my own. And then we got taken off the hosting. Yeah. Did they explain it? Yeah, they cited banning circumvention. Basically, I circumvented a previous ban from another platform, which in this case would be Patreon, I guess, and then for hate speech or something along those lines.

1:04:49How long did this take to happen? I think maybe it lasted a week for the first one, maybe a week again, maybe a week and a half. So immediately, Patreon. Pretty quickly. Oh, Patreon within 24 hours from what I remember, and then about a week on one website, and then about another week. One week on one website server and then another week. And there's no appeal or argument or anything. No, we're kicking you off. You're out of here, buddy. Did you ever hear from them again? Did they reinstate you? No, no. Reinstated by none. It's a joke. Yeah. So what did you do? I mean, I have a new web host server right now.

1:05:29Are you worried about YouTube? um i feel as if youtube's doing an okay job they certainly are moderating right they're letting us have this conversation yes videos have nine million views almost to me that's um i gotta give them kudos i spent many years attacking youtube and maybe i will again yeah but i got fired almost exactly three years ago and youtube has been a stalwart partner yeah never thought i would say that i wouldn't lie about it it's not like i'm in i don't owe them money sure i could exist without them, but I just have to be, I think you're in the same position. I would say largely I could not exist without them, but they've treated me with fairness.

1:06:08So. That's kind of shocking. It is. I know. If you get to the point where you're sitting here complimenting Google for their commitment to free speech, things are bad. Things are getting bad, right? No, but we should be grateful for our blessings. Yeah. And so far, YouTube has been a blessing. I can't believe I'm saying that. I know. It's just a fact. Times are changing. It's just a fact. I don't know what to say. I feel like a sellout, but it's just true. So, wow. So we didn't, in the end, you replaced the income? How? Yes, yeah. How do you do that? People just rally behind the cause of, why would you not allow this guy to have an account?

1:06:41I feel like sending you money just listening to this. But I mean, how do you do that? So Patreon is the dominant service for this, correct? I use AI to code a new website. And then we hosted it on a web host server. You just made your own? Just made my own, yeah. Like the next day at like two in the morning, I was just clacking away on. No way. I swear. Yeah, that's the story. You built your own Patreon? I don't think it's the prettiest website, Tucker. But yeah, we built a Patreon clone, basically. Yeah. In 24 hours? No, maybe a couple days. A couple days. That's incredible. And it actually works?

1:07:15AI, I guess, for that much, at least. Yeah, it works. Yeah. Surprisingly, it's not that sophisticated to host a video. No, I guess that's right. Yeah, right? It's not a complicated product. So you have survived. We've survived and thrived, yeah. What are the lessons you're drawing from this?

1:07:35Seemingly, there are a lot of powerful Jewish people who own significant media enterprises, websites that seem to bend the knee at least to what they view to be anti-Semitic dialogue. What's interesting, though, is I don't know a lot about it. I'll just be totally blunt. I've always liked the Orthodox just on principle because, and I loved them during COVID because they wouldn't stop their weddings. Yeah, they threw a middle finger. I love that. I was constantly from my heart complimenting the. I think they're great if they did it on their own dime. I totally agree. I didn't even know about any of this stuff.

1:08:10I mean, they're nice people. If I wasn't there with the camera asking critical questions, they're nice enough people to me. Every time I've ever complimented the Orthodox and I like their style, like the beaver hats and all that. I like all that stuff. The garb is badass. The people who've pushed back against me are secular Jews. Like there's always been, in Israel, as noted, there's terrible tension. But here also, I've had a lot of friends who are basically secular Jewish express real hostility toward the Orthodox. In what respect? You know, they don't like them. I mean, I've noticed that my whole life, just having a lot of secular Jewish friends.

1:08:48Whenever I'm like, I was in Borough Park, Brooklyn once. Okay. And I came for a story years ago, 30 years, and I came back to my newsroom and I was like, I like those guys. And they were all the people I know who are secular Jews who were like, they're disgusting. They're horrible. Like there was tension between those two groups. That's what I've always noticed. I'm hardly an expert. I'm an Episcopalian, but I've just, I've seen this. Yeah, well, it's fascinating. It's kind of weird that. Is that despite their internal differences, they do show up for each other, it seems like. Apparently. I think so.

1:09:17Because I had a lot of secular Jews frustrated and pissed off. Really? Really? Yeah. The Israelis kind of loved it, though, it seems like. Right, of course. They're like, thank you for calling this out. We have the same thing here in Israel. They won't enlist. Whatever you think about the Israelis, I've known a bunch of them I liked personally, but they have fewer hangups about this kind of stuff. They're much more direct. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're straightforward people. So is this going to change how you progress? Hell no. No, I mean, this was the most radioactive thing we could have done at this point.

1:09:52No bars held. I mean, we'll continue to critically show up with the same critical lens we would any other group. Did it affect any friendships? No, not that I'm aware of. Okay, good. Yeah, that's good, right? That's a true loss. Yeah, if that happens to you, that's a really sad. That would be sad. But ultimately, I would see that as their loss. Because, come on, we're on a mission here to hold everyone accountable to the same standards. To the same standards. that's exactly right breaks our friendship then come on get out of here i agree i agree with that do you worry that if this can happen to you i didn't realize this stuff was still happening i thought trump was funny right all this stuff i thought this was like a relic of the biden years but um i'll give you an example there was a guy who made a similar video uh almost a brand new channel maybe like 2 000 subscribers on youtube a very small channel and you know youtube metrics he put out a video there in Lakewood about a week or two before I think we finished ours, and he got dogpiled by the Orthodox Jewish community.

1:10:50They mass disliked it and ultimately algorithmically killed the video. They aborted the video before its inception, so to speak, and never got to take off. So my takeaway was if we were not the size we were on YouTube, I don't think we could comfortably even talk about a lot of these things. We have the track record for treating everyone equally, in my opinion. We have the size to sort of bully this into conversation was my takeaway. Interesting. Yeah. For people who don't know what you mean about dogpiling a video out of existence, can you just explain the mechanics of that? Yeah, I mean, this is somewhat speculative on my end, but I think there's data out there that suggests that when a video from the get-go is mass disliked, for instance, if you had 10 ,000 people click this video, dislike it, and watch it for one second, the algorithm would disincentivize the proliferation of this video to new viewers.

1:11:40So you have a guy with 100 subscribers who puts out a video critical of a group, like let's say the Orthodox Jews, and it gets 10 ,000 dislikes, and they watch it for five seconds and leave a negative comment. YouTube's going to see that as this video does not resonate with the initial sample size, and we will not continue to share this video. So his video will never get any traction because of that initial abortion of the video, so to speak. But you've reached a scale where that doesn't work anymore. Has it hurt your business? Yes, I think so. Yeah, sponsors won't touch topics like that. We've had sponsors even asked to pull out sponsorships from videos we filmed three years ago that have nothing to do with these topics.

1:12:27We filmed a video in a cancer belt in Louisiana about companies like, what's an example? Some of these pesticide companies that, man, there's the big one. Monsanto. Monsanto, I think, yeah. In Louisiana, a bunch of people getting cancer way earlier than they should due to their exposure to these toxic chemicals. Videos totally unrelated to this Orthodox Jewish topic. They've asked to get pulled out from those videos. So I've cut them out of the videos on YouTube retroactively, three-year-old videos because of, I guess, the frustration of what this video represents. I don't know. There's no clarity beyond, you know, take this out.

1:13:13We have a legal clause that allows us to. You said you grew up during George Floyd, obviously did your 26. Yeah. Yeah. So that was six years ago. So you were just busy dropping out of college at that point. Yeah. I was actually in Austin when the riots happened and people were throwing Molotov cocktails through some bars downtown. I was watching the chaos unfold in downtown Austin. People were blowing up cars. I was like, what the hell is going on here? And I was pretty politically illiterate back then. I would argue I still am now. And I didn't even fully understand what was happening. I was like, why is Austin rioting?

1:13:44What does this have to do with Austin, Texas? Why is everyone chimping out here in Austin? I still don't know. I was like, wait, why did they get the pass to blow up a car? And why do the cops watch it happen? What does Austin didn't have to do with Minneapolis, right? It just didn't make any sense. And when that happened, this was also during the COVID nonsense, the lockdown restrictions, all that fun stuff. And I was like, screw this. I'm going back to Modesto. I was like, I'm out of here. I broke the lease prematurely and just left. I was like, I'm not dealing with this. So yeah. So if you're 26, I mean, your whole like adult life has been...

1:14:25Yeah, like Me Too, George Floyd. What else? It's been one witch hunt after another. It's just been pure identity politics from the minute you left high school. Yeah. There is no world that I can recall without this identity politics, right? There is no non-tribal politics that I can recall. But you belong to the only group that's not allowed to have a tribe. So that must be very strange for you. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what to make of it. I think - I don't either. I can't conceive of a world where this was not the case. And I imagine you grew up in a time where most people look the same for the most part.

1:15:00Yeah. They worship the same God. They did. And what? They wanted what was best for the economy? Like they wanted national security and a thriving economy? And I think because it was overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly whiting Christian, the country that I grew up in, the Christian whites really went out of their way to make non-Christian whites feel comfortable. Yeah. That was a huge emphasis. You know, there are some people who aren't like us and we need to do whatever we can to de-emphasize the differences and to make them feel included. That whole worldview, I think, is dying as the group that did it becomes a minority.

1:15:36But there was no sense in which, you know, discrimination was acceptable at all. Even in private, people didn't ever say, damn those Jews or damn those blacks. Like, I never heard one person talk like that ever. And now that's pretty mainstream. Now they're like, oh, people say, oh, I don't believe you. You're lying. I don't care what you think. I was there. And nobody ever talked that way, ever, ever, ever. Even as a kid, maybe the earliest I can remember it, maybe in elementary school, like there truly might have been a colorblind element to life, right? And then beyond high school for me, though, everything's been this identity politics.

1:16:10How do you think this ends? Balkanization of America, for sure, right? We're already seeing it. If you can afford to, you'll insulate yourself from crime-ridden inner cities. That's why you're in Bozeman or wherever. That's why Bozeman all of a sudden tripled in value, right? Absolutely. If you have the money, you'll leave these areas that are becoming crime-ridden shitholes. And if you don't, you'll be left behind as seemingly these activist judges release the same repeat offenders. These murderous people who are, I guess, too mentally insane to be institutionalized, but mentally sane enough to be let back on the streets.

1:16:48Well, you can see why there are probably whites who are getting a little paranoid. If you're the only non-protected group and every other group thinks it's a group, except you, we're not allowed to think it's a group, and a lot of groups hate you, but there's no one to defend you, then, I mean, you can see why. Elon Musk recently tweeted, we're moving towards South Africa and the whites are screwed. You can see why. I think it's a great analogy, right? Do people feel that way? I mean, go visit a shithole city like Jackson, Mississippi. I spent a summer in Jackson in the late 80s. It depends on where you're, okay, in the late 80s.

1:17:22In a black neighborhood. Yeah. And it was great. And the black people were super nice. And there was no crime aimed at me. I think things have changed. That's kind of the point I'm making. Yeah, yeah. I can't remember that world. I was in Jackson, Mississippi in the summer of 1989 in a black neighborhood for like three weeks. and I went to the 7-Eleven at night to buy cigarettes and call my girlfriend on the pay phone. And not one person bothered me. And I was the only pale face in the zip code. So like that did exist. I was there. Yeah. Yeah, I think you'd be unwise to show up to Detroit or Philadelphia or Jackson, Mississippi.

1:17:55And what gets rich too, Tucker, is a lot of people make it a red, blue state issue. No. I mean, there are some fucked up cities all across America that deal with the same issues. I've known it. And it's not on the lines of red or blue, Democrat, Republican. It exists all over. So I don't know. I think if you, the American dream right now is seemingly to make enough money to insulate yourself from the chaos unfolding in major cities, to get out of the major city, to go buy a nice house in the suburbs and to be left alone. That seems to be the modern American dream. And for a lot of people coming to the U.S., it seems to be to make as much money as possible, send as much as you can back home and then show up to a mega mansion in Bangalore, India after you're done exploiting the United States.

1:18:43That's what it seems like the dream is for a lot of these people coming here. So, yeah. So that leaves one group totally unprotected. Seemingly white people, right? Yeah. By every measure. So I have noticed just in, and of course I don't know what's coming, but I've noticed concern bordering on paranoia among people I've been talking to. Pretty moderate, normal, you know, Bush, Romney, McCain, now Trump voters, just Republicans, nothing crazy, not a white supremacist among them at all. It's like normal whites who are like, I think we're going to get necklaced at some point. I think that group's probably least likely to hold any in-group racial preference.

1:19:24These are not people who've ever thought of themselves as white at all. Right. These are not people who've like, you know, they're not from Alpena, Arkansas. No, no, no. These are people from like Long Beach. That's what I'm saying. They're the least likely to hold any, you know, whites don't stick together in their eyes, right? At all. It's never occurred to them. They've never had the need to. Right. But those people, at least I've just noticed this in the past couple of months, are like, man, we're in trouble. That's interesting. Have you heard anyone say that? I only speak to, I feel like, Gen Z, you know.

1:19:58How do they feel? Gen Z feels hopeless, demoralized, without opportunity. The college degree is seemingly useless. The bachelor's degree means nothing. They have to compete with a globalized labor force. There is human quantitative easing at play where we're ensuring infinite jobs to compete against our college graduates. Yet Trump's out there saying our college graduates are lazy and incompetent and not sufficient to fill these jobs despite us holding the best universities on the planet. You guys noticed when you said that? Yeah, right? And that's such a slap in the face of what's the point? What are we even voting for, right?

1:20:38Like, that's the question. Who represents my generation's interests? Someone will have to. Otherwise, that energy has to be funneled somewhere. So Trump did say something like that. I think something along those exact lines, yeah. And people in your generation heard it. They caught that. Well, yeah, these are the same people who don't have a job several years out of college, who can't get a job with their degree, who are competing with infinite H-1B Indians, these guys who have 20 years experience from India who are taking their job and were using these H-1Bs as a wage suppression mechanism. Like, why are we not paying these H-1Bs above market rate if they're such rare, irreplaceable talent, right?

1:21:20It seems to only be a wage suppression mechanism. So our generation's getting replaced by seemingly foreigners. Not seemingly, actual. Literally, enclaves of foreigners. They know the game, though. They understand that politics is zero-sum. They need to elect their own, protect their own interests. And that's what I think my generation is maybe waking up to. And maybe something that your generation has had the good fortune of not having to spend as much time as. It was a completely different country. Completely different. And I wouldn't be in touch with it if I didn't have so many children, so many employees, and...

1:21:55you know, and other reasons. But in general, yeah, no, I think I'm more aware of it, but still not anywhere near as aware of it as you would be since I'm not having to live it. Like identity politics was like gay and woke for the longest time until the white guy in his 20s was forced to confront himself with either, we developed some in-group racial preference or we're going to go extinct, I think. What's just so interesting is that I've noticed that this administration, which I think was elected to end identity politics, is engaged in the most aggressive identity politics, but only on behalf of 2 % of the population.

1:22:29And so every single tweet from every person I know in the administration's like, Harvard's real problem is that it's discriminated against Jews. Meanwhile, it's like 20 % Jewish with a Jewish president. And the one group that is provably unrepresented is high SAT scoring, high IQ Christian white kids. And not only are they not ignoring that, but they're making a mockery of it. and pointing their finger at that exact same group and accusing them of the sin, and it is a sin, of anti-Semitism. And it's like, are you begging for revolution? Is that what you want? It's mocking people who are being destroyed for who they are.

1:23:08And you know that that's true and you're ignoring it on purpose on behalf of people who are, whatever. Anyway. There's not a talent deficiency within this ethnic group. It's almost too much though. It's a kind of humiliation that I don't really understand why you would ever do that to somebody. Yeah. So you can't be surprised when there's an epidemic of what incels and hopeless young men who are opting out of the dating market, who are opting out of what? Eventually you give up, I'm sure, if you apply it to 10 ,000 jobs and you're algorithmically filtered out of consideration for a job. I don't think there's been any attempt to fix any of that.

1:23:45I don't think so. At all. I think the answer we've been given is you're not talented enough. You're lazy. We don't need you. Here's an Indian, seemingly. And we're going to sue Harvard for discriminating against Jews. And the real problem is not the rapists, pedophiles in power. It's Harvard discriminating against Jews. Give me a break. Like Pam Bonney, she tweeted that out. I was like, come on, Pam. Lock in, Pam. Let's focus here, Pam. him no i think this is um this isn't it's not just negligence it's hate it's hate obviously it's it's hate so but where does that leave the group that you're talking about which voted for trump by the way yeah overwhelmingly bag holders um yeah so but what and then i you know nick fuentes or fuentes is only about fuentes but at some point there's going to be someone who is not just about himself who actually wants to build a political movement that is way more radical than the Republican Party, and that person is going to be huge among your generation?

1:24:50Is that a fair prediction? Yeah, I mean, listen, I don't know the full political belief of, I don't know all the beliefs Fuentes has, for example, but I think he's right about that young men are disaffected. I'm not attacking Fuentes. I'm just saying Fuentes is only about Fuentes or whatever. I mean, I don't know his addition. says is ultimately he talks about it's not avoidable you know but he makes points that are true absolutely a lot of them for sure and he is being uh you know it's like that ring true for a non-radical or someone who is they ring true for me that's why i interviewed him yeah i don't agree with a lot of it i told him i didn't but in general his critique that the whites are shafted for sure and that this israel relationship is really sick and that everyone basically that voted for Trump is seemingly not getting anything to ask for.

1:25:34I agree with all of that. So that's all real. My only point is people look at Fuentes and they're like, oh, you're the scariest thing that could happen. Oh, no. Absolutely not. Yeah, yeah. That's my point. I don't know where it goes, right? The energy has to go somewhere, right? This is like Newton's, I don't know, second law, third law. I only went to high school. You tell me, Tucker. The energy must be diverted elsewhere. And a lot of young men are pissed off. I think for a lot of young men, though, they will just hibernate and jerk off and decay in their basements, in their parents' homes. That is reality.

1:26:10There will be a eugenics effect. White men getting litigated or filtered out of participation in society. There will be an extinction event for sure. That's inevitable, right? But some of them might try to do something a bit more bold and revolutionary, maybe. But how does something like that even come into existence? I wish I knew. With the surveillance state and can you even, is the democracy the means by which my generation uplifts their quality of life? Is that a possibility? Because the Republicans clearly don't care. The Democrats don't care. Is there a third party alternative? What does that look like?

1:26:49I'm not sure. But the two current options are insufficient. You're making me emotional. Really? What you're saying is true. Yeah. And I'm like, I mean, I think of myself as a pretty reasonable guy, right? Like I was politically illiterate in many ways. I didn't think about this stuff. I was making goofy YouTube videos in my early 20s from 18, 19, 20, 21. It was only until I was about 22 years old. So I even realized all of this stuff was going on. I didn't even think really about, you know, the George Floyd stuff that much.

1:27:25But now it's unavoidable. People say, why are you making everything so political? They'll talk to their neighbors or their family members. Why is everything so political? And now it's unavoidable. You have to consider the reality and the consequences of how your everyday life is being affected by these things. So unfortunately, everyday people have a political opinion on everything right now. And I think that's a tragedy more than a blessing. It's not a win. No. It's not a win at all. Well, I'm subscribing to you. So thank you. Yeah. That was awesome. Yeah. I really thank you for spending all this time yeah thanks for having me I appreciate it for sure