Whistleblower Exposes the Real Puppet Masters Controlling the State Department and Plans for Gaza

26:40So we don't have a position on it. Right. Right. And that came up on any topic that was somewhat sensitive or waiting for Israel to make a move. Does the State Department have any position that contradicts the position of the Israeli government that you're aware of? No. No, I think the closest, I think for US interest we do, but in our current policy and posture, we do not. Not one. The closest we got. Do you have any siblings? I do. Do you love them? I love them. Do you have any sticking points with them? Is there something you don't fully agree on? As any siblings do. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly.

27:22So loving someone or having an alliance with someone or even like sharing the same parents to somebody doesn't mean that you have to agree on every little point. It would be weird if you did. It would be weird. Identical twins have disagreed. This is getting a little weird. Why is it acting like this? It's very strange. And the closest we came, and there was no follow through, was when I actually liked the statement. It was a thousand other things. I had personal issues, which was irrelevant. But Ambassador Huckabee, when there was these tie-by attacks against the Christians in West bank, he did put out a statement saying these attacks are unacceptable.

27:59We call on Israel to investigate. But there's no follow through. Right. What do you mean? He had a statement that said. Oh, I remember it very well. There's no follow. Yeah, there's no there's no follow through. And like, you're like, oh, that's a good statement. That's I'm like, wow. You can't attack Christians with U.S. tax dollars. Sorry. Yep. And not allowed. Yep. I don't care who you are. And it was it was just it was one statement. And there was no like and if we got questions, hey, what's the status of the investigation? be free to Israel, right? So no one at the State Department looked into it?

28:30Not that I saw. This is a majority Christian country, but nobody felt like that would be a good use of American tax dollars to find out what this was or ask anybody any questions. And that's the thing. Each time there's a call for investigation, a very rare opportunity that's in front of us, there's no follow through. The strong statement, we did the thing and you don't hear about it for weeks and months. So there's no one at the State Department who cared? Look, I don't want to speak for the entire—I think there were people that cared. I think there are Christians. Well, I cared. I cared a lot.

29:03There are civil servants, there are political appointees, foreign service officers that see all of this and they're concerned. But it's this style of constantly deferring to Israel that's at the forefront. So we can criticize up to a certain point. and it's awful because if we want Israel to investigate, then we should be following up and asking, hey, what happened to the investigation? I thought you were going to investigate. Where are the prosecutions? Who did all the damage? Who did this and why? Yeah. Yeah. But we'd never hear the follow-up. So there's no, as far as you're aware, mechanism in the State Department to, because you've described a relationship that's unique.

29:50There's no other country in the world that has this relationship with the United States. And a lot of resources go into supporting that country. But there's no mechanism in the U.S. State Department to follow up on this? Look, in the public realm, because I work as a press officer, right? So I'm always working with reporters and the presentation. Those things matter. So if there was a system of following up, I didn't see it. it's possible. Personally, I kind of doubt it. But on the public realm... Well, if they followed up, you would have known about it because what if somebody asks you? Right.

30:29And you would think that if there was follow-up, you'd want to advertise it too. Like, hey, we followed up. But they were... The preference was to defer and deflect and give Israel more time. Nobody gives a shit. You persecute Christians with American tax dollars. Nobody cares. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, you're making me mad. No, it's just frustrating. It's frustrating. I know, it is. It's frustrating to see people get shagged because it's not a neutral situation. Like some people are winning and some people are losing. And if the losers are people that you, you know, didn't do anything wrong, the Christians aren't in Hamas.

31:06Like what? What's their crime? Look, the scenes are horrific. So on a human level, it shouldn't matter. But if that's the whole thing of having an ambassador out could be there. It's like, at least maybe you'll care about this. And then, yeah, you put a strong statement out, but don't follow up. Yeah, they don't care at all. What's the point? Yeah, right. The self-described Christians don't care at all about the Christians. And by the way, the whole justification for all this, you just said it. These journalists get blown up. They were Hamas. Okay. End of conversation. No one can plausibly claim that a Christian family are in Hamas.

31:37Okay. So like what, tell me, you can't claim that they're in Hamas while simultaneously claiming that Hamas is a group of jihadis. They're Islamic extremists, which they also claim constantly, which I don't know if that's true, by the way. It seems more like a political organization, but whatever it is, they're telling us constantly they're Al-Qaeda. So it can't also be true that Christians are a member of Al-Qaeda. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. So then we know they're not in Hamas. So why did they get killed? Why was their church blown up? Why were they killed in that hospital? Like, what is this? And there's not one person in the State Department who cares enough to get to the bottom of that question.

32:12Yeah. And all you saw, I mean, all I saw, President Trump did call Prime Minister Netanyahu, Netanyahu gave an apology for the church that was attacked in Gaza. One of many. But there's never follow up. There's never like, hey, this is the prosecution. This is where our investigation landed. It's this quick two hour brush on the rug, put a statement out, and then you don't hear anything ever again. Yeah. Wow. Okay. the third example of work that you produced that your superiors were unhappy with and that led ultimately to your firing was what? So it was a Tuesday. So that's a press guidance day, all the sample questions.

32:57It was actually arguably, we said OBE, which meant overcome by events, which means that we're like beyond its relevancy. But like it was still could come up. So I put it, I left it in there, was a reaction to Speaker Johnson visiting the settlements in the West Bank.

33:16And I had a line, pretty standard, and kind of not very specific, but it said, we support stability in the West Bank. Stability? Yeah, we support stability. That's all. So, and the last, well, the last piece was comma, which helps secure Israel, right? But the, I think the stable comment was, I don't know, too much? Because if we say we want to stable West Bank, are we accidentally being critical of something Speaker Johnson or Israel is doing, right? So - What is that? Flesh that out if you don't mind. Sure. I mean, I know what you're saying, but I'm not sure everyone does. Yeah, it's a good question.

33:55So why would the US government, so the US government is against extending condolences to the families of noncombatants killed. Okay. Correct. And the U.S. government is also now in favor of the forced movement of large populations outside their borders. Right. Okay. And now you're saying the U.S. government is against stability? Right. How are we against stability? Why is stability a bad thing? Now, stability is a word that's used a lot. And we are on paper saying we support stability in the region all the time. But in this specific context, when discussing settlements, it will sound like we're critiquing Israel indirectly.

34:33by saying we support stability in reaction to a question about settlements, right? So that was how I interpreted the issue. So in other words, you might be suggesting that the U.S. government opposes radical demographic change in the West Bank. Right, right. Now I have this line, again, just like the forced displacement. It had cleared previously. But this is where what was discussed when this first broke my firing in the Washington Post was that senior officials from Embassy Jerusalem, David Milstein specifically, would occasionally pop into my docs. Now, it didn't happen every single day. Pop into your docs?

35:12Like at a Google Doc, right? It wasn't a Google Doc. It was, I don't know, the brand doesn't matter. But some internal system. Yeah, an internal system. I would share it with, in the morning, the equities I was mentioning, one of the equities is Embassy Jerusalem. Okay, so an equity just for State Department speak, people haven't heard it, tell us what an equity is it's like someone has some uh stake in those lines okay and obviously jerusalem does obviously because they're the ones that are the u.s embassy in jerusalem the u.s embassy in jerusalem american diplomats i would post it to israel on those press briefing days i would share it with them for them to review the document and be like okay these are our press lines for these sample questions are you okay with them now it was interesting because they often did not clear, they didn't reject it.

35:58They just, with a non-response because the press officers there would defer up the chain to David Milstein and Ambassador Huckabee because they didn't want to put their name on it because if it's something they didn't like, no one wants their name on a press guidance that wasn't approved by these influential people. Who is David Milstein? He is the senior advisor to Ambassador Huckabee. And what's his, how old is he? What's his background? Is he a career diplomat? He's a, From my understanding, he's a political. I believe he worked on the Hill. Oh, did he work for Ted Cruz? Yes. Yes, he worked for Ted Cruz.

36:33Okay. And he is the stepson of your best friend, Mark Levin. He's Mark Levin's stepson? Yeah. He's working at the State Department? Correct. Interesting. So every head of household wants to keep the family safe. It's your chief duty. Simply safe makes it easy to do that. Now, conventional wisdom suggests that a standard alarm that goes off during a break-in is enough. Just have an alarm. Well, it's not enough. It's not even close to enough. Think about it for a second. You don't want people in your house in the first place. True security means preventing that before it begins. And that's why you need SimpliSafe.

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37:44With a 60-day money-back guarantee and no long-term contract, Simply Safe earns your business by keeping you safe and satisfied every day. Okay, visit simplisafe.com slash Tucker to claim 50 % off a new system. simplisafe.com slash Tucker. There's no safe like SimpliSafe. So David Milstein is a political guy working now for Mike Huckabee in Jerusalem and he was going through your lines. Correct. Okay. Now on paper, he could be, but the way that he would edit my docs as aggressively as he would and we can get into this, but the other statements and pieces that were reported in the Washington Post, he would push a certain agenda that was very aligned with Israel that I found very problematic.

38:32Now in this specific example, because we're discussing the third example of why I was fired, was that he changed the stability line to we commend Speaker Johnson for visiting Judea and Samaria. So we as a government - What's Judea and Samaria? It's a term that is like religious. It's about Israel's land grab of the West Bank. Are Judea and Samaria like administrative districts? No, it's not. Is there a mayor of Samaria? Nope, doesn't exist. Okay, so there's no actual place called Judea and Samaria. Like the civil authorities don't recognize Judea or Samaria. Nope. Okay. Nope. It's the more extreme wing of the elements of the Israeli government.

39:22And David Milstein was in line with that language. And it's designed to erase any paucity and legitimacy that this is supposed to be Israeli land. So the point is by using those terms, they're biblical terms. They refer to regions described in what Christians call the Old Testament. And the point is to remind everybody that this land was promised by God to the Jewish people, to the Hebrew people. And that, you know, anyone who's lived there subsequently for the last 3 ,000 years has no right to it. Right. That's the point. But from a sort of government perspective, Judea and Samaria are not real places in that they're not - Not recognized.

40:06Not nation states. They're not provinces. They're not - And - Do they have clearly defined borders? Not from my understanding. I mean, they do not. And that would give you - What the fuck? It opens the door to more land grabs. You know, it's - Okay, but if a place doesn't have a clearly defined border - then how can the U.S. government refer to it in any kind of official capacity? They can. They can. And it's scary, too, because if you look at the airstrikes that Israel are doing, like Israel is doing in Syria, and they're building settlements even outside the Golan Heights, it's all part of this, I don't know what it is, this idea of a greater Israel that people are discussing that was beyond these borders.

40:50So it's scary, and it's against the stability of the region that we've been calling for as a government for decades. So certainly in the modern era, definitely since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, you've had clear borders between countries. In fact, we're fighting a war against Russia right now on the premise that they violated those borders by moving into eastern Ukraine. So the US government takes borders very seriously, obviously not including our own. But as a matter of statecraft and diplomacy, that really, really matters. so you would never use a phrase in an official communication that referred to a place whose territory you couldn't define.

41:32That would be fucking crazy to do something like that. 100%. Okay. So you think this Milstein guy who is Mark Levin's stepson, you say, it's almost like you're making this up. It's like a joke. Who worked for Ted Cruz in the Senate, he added this to the statement. Correct. And then did it go out? So from that point, I cut it because I even accepted most of his edits in the document because going to battle with him was a whole headache because he'll call, he'll push certain things. He was known for doing that. Like David Milstein's phone call was not a favorite thing for folks. What was it like?

42:14Tell us for those of us who don't work with Mark Levin's stepson at the State Department. Sure. Sure. So he would call and he would just push, why was that removed or why was XYZ done? Very often. And if you said no, there was a tendency to go up the chain in order for him to push the agenda of any given day. And this is something that I dealt with since very early. Where is his, okay, so is he the DCM or? Nope. He's just a senior advisor to Ambassador Huckabee. He's like an assistant to the U.S. Ambassador to Israel. Correct. And he, sticking with the public reporting from Washington Post, like he would push in one occasion statements that were in the voice of Secretary Rubio, not even the spokesperson.

42:58And you drafted them, we would push them through, like, I want this statement out. I want the statement out? Yeah, he would go through and be like, I drafted this. This is the statement I want. I would go through the process of clearing it, but he would fight for it. Like he'd be in the document getting in arguments with people one by one in order to kind of overwhelm the process and get certain, his agenda out there the way he wanted. And it's very difficult. On what authority? I mean, that's pretty cheeky behavior for a guy who's an aide to Mike Huckabee. He was a former cable news host. He would call around the building and it was very consistent and persistent.

43:41But he lives in Jerusalem. He does. What do you mean call around? And policy comes from D.C. Like this is obviously of influence and they have discussions, but the policy comes from D.C. So if - What do you mean call around? You would go up, you would go either laterally or up the chain and call various people and say, hey Ambassador Huckabee usually and say wants this done or for XYZ reason and if that person didn't pick up it would go to the next person so he would so even if we were discussing equities earlier if one particular equity said we can't do this then he would go up well I don't care because this guy above you may clear it what?

44:25and how does he have everyone's number? That's what I was wondering. I don't know. But David Milstein, an assistant in the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem, I just want to restate, I mean, growing up around this, that's not a high-level post. He has like zero authority to do anything. And is drafting a statement on behalf, this is very audacious, to draft a statement on behalf of Secretary Rubio. The Secretary of State. Yes, in one occasion, again, referring just to the public reporting, was the statement to condemn Ireland for considering a bill that would put economic sanctions on Israel. Condemn Ireland?

45:09As you can imagine, folks - So David Milstein was demanding, in effect, that the Secretary of State condemn Ireland because Ireland defended the government of Israel? Yeah. Actually, if I remember correctly, strongly condemn, which doesn't really, in typical Mike speaking, you don't know how strongly. But yeah, strongly condemn Ireland. As a nation? Well, the government, I guess. I don't remember the language. Did Rubio read it? That was a rare occasion where it went up the ladder and it was eventually killed. But it required the European Affairs Bureau and NEA and everyone to... It took a lot of effort because he was so laser focused on getting that through.

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47:08Did you ever see, it sounds like you had a lot of contact or could see David Milstein at work a lot. It sounds like he was a pretty big figure in your office in D.C., though he's an assistant to the - It was very sudden. It was like, oh, you don't hear from him for three days. all of a sudden you're getting a phone call and a bunch of edits on something and they disappear again. Did he have your cell? The work cell. Yeah, he did. How do you get your number? Well, at that point, early on, I think someone asked that I share with him. So that was on my end. Wow. But did you ever see David Milstein thinking about what's good for the United States or getting aggressive on behalf of what our interests might be as distinct from Israel's interests?

47:49I perceived a lot of his actions as very Israel first, from my point of view, because that statement didn't make sense. Those edits, the press lines didn't make sense. And in particular with Judea and Samaria, that not only would not make sense for how dangerous it is, for what that means, because as you discussed, there's no land barrier to that, but it hurts our relationships with the region. For example, we rely on Jordan for so many things, but if we start calling it Judea and Samaria, that undermines our military relationship, our relationship dealing with refugees in Jordan. Also, some of that land is in Jordan.

48:28Exactly. Right. So, I mean, you can't, I mean, if, yeah, that would cause problems. And that's one example. Like the whole region. So these are not, this is diplomacy. This is the State Department of the United States of America, which is still a global superpower even now. And so Jordan, the Jordanian economy relies on U.S. aid. Yep. We proffer that aid at the request of Israel because Jordan is filled with refugees in the 1948 war that created Israel and subsequent refugees, 67, and filled with refugees, including from Syria, a war that we fought on behalf of Israel. So we pay Jordan, we also pay Egypt to keep them calm.

49:08And now you're saying he wanted to issue a statement saying to Jordan, by the way, part of your territory and what you thought was a sovereign nation actually doesn't belong to you. Yeah. And just... So, terrible. And so, we can go back to that day three because I cut that line. And by the way, this isn't a unilateral action by me. There are others who agree with me. So, I'm not doing it with the backing of my own thoughts. Well, that's not a hard one. Gideon Samaria, I mean, isn't there... I mean, it's been a long time since we're in the State Department, but I mean, I always thought there was like a...

49:47like there's a protocol to things, which in some cases is silly, but some cases is real. Like, do we refer to that region as Judea and Samaria or don't we? Like this is something that's been gone over before, correct? Yeah, no, we don't. And we don't, we don't. We never have. Secretary Rubio did not use it. President Trump did not use it. Ambassador Huckabee has. Now that was, that's different. Did anyone ever ask Ambassador Huckabee? What land specifically are you referring to when you say that? Not from what I've seen. Because reporters are morons. That's why. When someone asks like an obvious question, like Judea and Samaria, where's that?

50:22Can you draw it for me on a map? Show me the boundaries of this place you're talking about. Well, even if they did ask, the lines wouldn't even answer the question directly, right? Because in person, they should have asked him, yes, I agree. Yeah, what are you talking about? Where is that? Yeah. No one will ever ask that question. And Ambassador Huckabee always had extreme comments either in person or on his Twitter account. But for most of my time at the State Department, the response would be, well, those are Ambassador Huckabee's words. So we do this dance. But now, now that I, especially after firing me, you're getting an unleashed embassy Jerusalem because who's going to do anything to stop them?

51:05Because they already had so much influence to begin with. But when I'm used as an example, they fire me as someone who did the very basic thing of cutting a line that did not make sense. It's also inconsistent with longstanding U.S. policy. Right. And if you want to keep your job, who in the future is going to want to... Here's where you're confusing me. Now, I know that you say he's Mark Levin's stepson, but I mean, nobody takes Mark Levin seriously and no one watches his show. And like, he's just not a real person. He's like an angry old man on Twitter. Who cares who stepson he is? Like, why doesn't anyone say, hey, tell that Milstein kid to shut the fuck up.

51:44Like, that's not hard. Why doesn't someone do that? Honestly, that was my question. I did not know why people would like, people would acknowledge the pushiness, but that's all I really got. No one ever told him to stop? It was difficult to say no to him in a lot of cases. So people did say no, but it took a lot of effort. So from my vantage point, I'm wondering why would someone have so much influence and why are people almost tiptoeing around it, right? It sounds like they were, right? And you'd have to take a group effort of, okay, this bureau and this bureau don't want to put this statement out.

52:24And then it would go away, but that was it. So it was really a lot of this you think based on your experience was coming from this one guy. Correct. Now it was him, although you're right that he does have limitations over his title, right? He can't, an advisor to Ambassador Huckabee can't fire me, But he does have particular people on the seventh floor. And what I mean by seventh floor is people around Secretary Rubio that from my perspective, he looped in the neocons that were influential and they had the power to do so. So he would rile them up on Israel or me or whatever issue there was and they would come down.

53:07So my firing didn't come from Milstein. Of course. came from Secretary Rubio's staff. And these are like a couple of Heritage Foundation guys who are foreign policy. You can say, oh, President Trump, he's going to have heritage guys there. That's his right as someone who won the election. But if you listen to President Trump on foreign policy, it doesn't make sense to have a bunch of heritage guys around you. So you said that Milstein, who is a nobody on the org chart, had sort of amazing power, including making personnel decisions effectively because he would just go over everyone's head along the chain, up to and including the seventh floor management level at the State Department and had influence with people on Secretary Rubio's staff.

54:01Do you know who? My understanding was that it was his deputy chief of staff that came down in order to essentially fire me. Now - I think that'd be Dan Holler, formerly of Heritage. Possible. Possible. Okay. Yeah. So you'd heard that. I heard that. But it was pretty clear to you that it was David Milstein, this assistant to the US ambassador to a foreign country who was basically line editing statements out of State Department HQ. Yeah, and it was another hint, too, was that I had flagged for the spokesperson's staff the intention to add Judaism area. Just the FYI, this happened, right? And the next day, which was Wednesday, instead of moving along, the staff asked, actually the acting spokesperson asked to speak with David Milstein about the West Bank lines, but without me.

55:05And then the next day is when, Thursday, is when people started coming down on me. So the way I pieced it together was that that conversation about West Bank lines and Milstein being aware that I cut the Judea and Samaria line led to the Thursday, Friday crackdown from the secretary's office. Just to be clear, again, putting Judea and Samaria in an official U.S. government communication is like using the term Narnia or something. It's not a real place. Right. This is fantasy land. And it's beneath a great power to even have dumb conversations like this. It opens the door to instability. It opens door to hurting our relationship significantly with our partners.

55:48It doesn't serve U.S. interests. At all. At all. Okay. Did anyone else at the State Department share these views? Like that crosses, just as someone from D.C., I just like know that crosses like a bright, bright line. Yeah, look, there are folks who might be close to that worldview. But from my personal interactions, Milstein was the farthest out there. Did I have to ask this? But I just want to be clear. I don't think you should punish people for their relatives. So I'm not mad at David Milstein because his stepfather is a douche. I mean, that's certainly not his fault at all. and neither is David Milstein Mark Levin's fault.

56:35So I just want to be clear about that. I don't believe in collective punishment unlike some other countries like Israel, which is big on collective punishment. I oppose it completely as a Christian. So I'm not engaging in it here. But did you ever see Mark Levin over there? Did he have any role in the operation of the State Department? I never came across anything. I think there's a lot happening above my head regardless. Just even my firing, it's like Embassy Jerusalem was contacting this guy who was then trying to crack down on me. And then it's a mystery for a day or two why that's happening.

57:05And then it becomes clear. So those conversations are concerning. And it makes me question, like if we're talking about the Saudi speech in May of President Trump, how do we go from that kind of statement to these kind of policies? And so that is my biggest question out of all of this, is why did this pivot happen? And what does this mean for Israel policy moving forward? It's already extreme to begin with. Is it going to become even more radical, it already has. Does anybody else, I mean, are there other people at State Department? So, you know, you came in not as a former Trump staffer, but as someone who, as you've said, agreed with his basic impulse on foreign policy, which is like, hey, let's have more peace, less war.

57:48There must have been other people there who were like full-blown America first people, I would think, would hope. Did any of them ever say to you, this isn't really America first? It's true. It's, look, people were happy after Trump won when, like, okay, we're getting Trump too, but we don't have John Bolton and Michael Peo and Nikki Haley back again, right? The issue is a lot of the personnel problems are still there, but at a more, it's more subtle. Like an ambassador Huckabee, to me, is still part of that same grouping in terms of the damage it can do in our foreign policy, right? Right. And.

58:28Well, so give me an example of the damage you think Huckabee has done to American foreign policy. Well, it's. Since you paid close attention to his statements. And I really haven't. Well, that's it's the lack of accountability for. Well, having Milstein around, adding Judaism, you know, right. Like these are your trusted senior advisors. Right. And so there's that. There's the no follow through on what happened in Taipei and in the West, in the West Bank and what happened to the church in Gaza. It's our entire Israel policy. He goes out there. There were tweets from several weeks ago where he was attacking the UK prime minister.

59:06Ambassador was. He started calling the prime minister out for questioning Israel's conduct in Gaza. and he said, if you, something along the lines of, if it wasn't for Dresden, you'd all be speaking German. So, green lighting, the slaughter of Palestinians, essentially saying it's okay, which was horrific language. He endorsed Dresden? It's on Twitter. It was horrific. The bombing of Dresden? The way, yeah, he was comparing, he was comparing Dresden to what's happening in Gaza and saying, I don't think there's anybody, it's hardly a pro-Hitler, I'm anti-Hitler for whatever it's worth, just to be clear.

59:44It's hardly pro-Nazi to say that what the Allies did in the British, really mostly at Dresden, was a war crime. I mean, nobody would say otherwise. He endorsed the Dresden bombing? Who gives an ambassador the green light to poke at an Allies Prime Minister, the UK, a true ally? and two like the the nonchalant attitude towards like the slaughter of people both in Dresden or comparing it to what's happening in Gaza that's not the Christian view you know murdering innocents is always wrong period that is damaging no matter who does it I despise the UK and its prime minister and I'm totally happy to urinate on both but it should be from the perspective of what's good for the United States, not what's good for another country.

1:00:39Like that's bonkers. That's really, yeah. Does anybody say anything about that? Like internally? Is there any effort? All the time. People cringe at it when they see all those tweets, but. Well, so typically in administration, you know, the ambassador serves the president as his diplomat, you know, the chief diplomat in the country to which he's posted. And, you know, there are a million examples all the time of the ambassador getting called back to Washington or getting a cable from D.C. Whoa, that's not our policy. You know, pull it in line with what the president's view is because that's who you work for.

1:01:17Right. And did anyone do that with Huckabee? Never. You have, he's representing Secretary Rubio. Secretary Rubio is representing the president. And no one is stopping Ambassador Huckabee from going fully unleashed. And that's why my very basic edits and suggestions from that week was such a red flag that they had to get rid of me immediately. What that means is that if we're not stopping Ambassador Huckabee at that level, that becomes policy. Yes, yes, that's right. Right. So that's it. And if I'm going to be fired for lines of what were or should be, and I think are, President Trump's views, then things are moving in a more radical direction, and they will.

1:02:07Yeah, I mean, I guess I am for moving in a bunch of different radical directions, like banning high interest loans. You know, I'm strongly for that. What I'm not in favor of is moving in radical directions on behalf of a foreign country whose interests are not the same as ours, that are aligned in some things and diverge at other points, but they're not the same. Why would you want to be radical on behalf of another country? Right. It makes no sense. Well, it's unpatriotic. It's totally wrong. And it's America last. It's also a form of treachery, I think, subverting our foreign policy on behalf of another country that I'm not a citizen of that country.

1:02:45That's my tax dollars. What are you doing? Right? Right. And we did all of this. We're burning diplomatic capital left and right. Australia, the UK, Canada. We've all these U.S. allies considering recognizing the Palestinian state. and we're going out there attacking them one by one on behalf of Israel. Those are our partners. Is it worth... But we're also not... I mean, all those countries have basically eliminated human rights in their own countries, eliminated freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of association. They've got political prisoners. It's crazy what those countries are doing to their own citizens.

1:03:22We don't say a word. But if they criticize a foreign, another country, then we attack them? Yeah, we have other issues we could discuss with them. But instead, we choose to make Israel this odd red line. And it takes a lot of diplomatic capital to attack your allies. We need them for so many things. It doesn't matter if it's trade or war or some resolution of the UN. This is terrific. So I want to ask you a couple of just policy questions. And just if you don't mind. Sure. Because they're speculative, but I just want to draw on information that you gleaned in your job at the State Department. What is, as non-emotional and clinical as you can be, what is the plan here with Gaza and the West Bank?

1:04:13What do you think? I keep wondering, like, okay, you know, every day it's a, no, we killed them, but it was a mistake or we thought they were Hamas. Okay, got it. But, like, what is the plan? Are they really going to move 2 million people out of Gaza? Do you think that's actually going to happen? That's, this is what I'm afraid about. On the West Bank, I think we were setting up annexation. And I think the news from the past couple of days shows that that's true. What does annexation mean? There's going to be an Israeli takeover of the West Bank. And basically Area C was supposed to be where the Palestinians had full control.

1:04:52Israelis want to take over that and call the entire West Bank and call it part of Israel and then do the Palestinians live there get voting rights? These are all questions that they have not answered and I don't believe anyone wants to answer. Why? It's such an obvious question. I know. What's your plan? Why does no one ask that question? Even the IDF in some occasions asks like, hey, this is a military takeover. What are we going to do? Like, and the ministers don't care. For whatever it's worth, it's not my country and I'm not that interested, but I just notice that the IDF for all the grief that it takes has actually been a voice of restraint in Gaza and the West Bank, at least publicly.

1:05:40They're like, wait a second, you're asking us, I mean, they're just a military. They flagged going into Gaza City. They're like, hey, this is going to be the same thing. They're just a military with a bunch of reservists, you know, some professionals, but lots of reservists. And like every military, they kind of want to know why they're putting their lives at risk. At least that's my read on it. Yeah, it's true. And that's a whole other discussion. But I am worried about the political direction of Israel. It's going to be more and more extreme. And those guardrails are gone. But they're taking over the West Bank.

1:06:13We don't know what that looks like. And it's extremely dangerous. But what's the pretext? Because like the residents of the West Bank had nothing to do with the attacks on southern Israel, right? But it opens the door because you're so focused on Gaza and this is... But is there a justification for it? Is it like they don't have any hostages in the West Bank, do they? No, no, there is no justification. What's awful is that instead of focusing on securing the release of the hostages or just securing their own country, They've used this entire war, it's nearly two years now, to pursue opportunities.

1:06:54We're going to bomb Beirut and kill all these civilians. We're going to bomb Syria, kill civilians on too many occasions there. The bombing raids on Yemen, start a potential war with Iran that if President Trump had ended it, could have spiraled. and so it's very dangerous that we're letting Israel take the front seat of our U.S. foreign policy when we have the power to end these wars immediately. Well, we're paying for them. We're paying for them and we paid for the, you know, the Israeli strikes on Iran and I've said this to, you know, anyone who will listen, I think this will end the Republican Party.

1:07:36I don't think they're going to get elected to anything anytime soon after this if they don't pull back and establish independence from this, Israel, any other foreign power. It's not about Israel. It's about any, letting any other foreign country run your country. That's, you can't have that. Everyone hates it. It's super unpopular and it's very obvious. And if you want more Republicans in office, you can't act like this. Like, I think they're blowing up the party over this. That's my feeling. I'm saying this with love. I'm a, unlike you, I've been a pretty, I don't vote that much, but when I vote, it's Republican, you know?

1:08:09It's true. They voted for America first. I wouldn't vote for this. No way. Yeah, absolutely. And think about the, on one end, it's the America first aspect that's very disappointing because this is America last in every possible way. And on the endless war front, every campaign, every winning presidential candidate said we're not going to get, we're trying to avoid these wars and they don't follow through. And yet we're now funding this disaster in Gaza. But do you think that those, I mean, estimates vary. We don't know how many people have been killed in Gaza. No one's allowed to find out. Yeah, 60K is definitely much more than that.

1:08:48What do you think the real number is in Gaza? I've read other folks who give their estimates, and it's always 100 ,000 up to 200 ,000, even more. So the numbers that I've seen on the estimate scale are horrific. Do our intel agencies have good estimates on this? I would imagine. But those haven't percolated down to the State Department at your level anyway. Yeah. No, absolutely not. And I wish we could be discussing this. And I'm also horrified, not just from the sheer numbers of killed, it's the lingering psychological effect of these poor civilians, like children who've lost limbs, children who've lost parents, who the damage is going to be decades and decades long.

1:09:34For sure. and there will be radicalism, you know, and probably including violence. And I just pray it's not directed against the United States, but I fear that it will be. But that leaves what 2 million people still in Gaza, Palestinians, mostly Muslim, but also Christians. What happens to them? I just keep wondering what happens to them. The policy, the comments, the policies have always shown a certain disdain. Like, oh, we'll pay them off for them to move out. They're not actually starving. It's all these, not only are they getting bombed and lose their homes and their family members, they're being thrown around like this annoyance.

1:10:19And it's horrible. But just based on the reporting, it looks like we are trying to push them out to a different country. Every two months, there's a new rumor. It seems like we're talking to these other countries in Africa. The U.S. government is? Well, it depends on each specific case. There has been reporting that Israel is trying to do this on their own. And if we're involved, and there's also been some reporting on whether our own government officials have spoken with the Libyan government as well. So do you think it's possible that U.S. government officials have talked to foreign governments about accepting the population of Gaza as refugees?

1:10:59Do you think that's possible? Yes. Do you think that happened? I, I, it's probable. That's disgusting. I mean, that's just like shocking to me. I don't want to believe that could be true. Yeah. And why are we doing that? What do we have to do with this? Right. And it's always about our diplomatic power. Like Israel's diplomatic power is limited, but who can get these objectives done? We can. So that's why. In our last act as a superpower. Yeah. that's why these officials from mc jerusalem are are dangerous because they're they're that connection's being made right on like you committed well first of all mike huckabee endorsing dresden that you know i just refer you to the new testament that is not that is not permitted for christians to be in favor that just it's just not even close so i don't know well i know huckabee i've always liked him i don't know what in the world if he actually said that i don't know what he was thinking i'm gonna look it up the second we get off this interview but that's really shocking to me that he would say something like that but in general there's been a coarsening I think of people watching this stuff celebrating pager attacks and people getting their dicks blown off stuff I mean like why would we celebrate that but Ben Shapiro was on there jumping up and down with glee when that happened it's an indictment of our soul why did we lose this ability to empathize with other people.

1:12:27If you think it's thrilling that a country would indiscriminately detonate explosives in people's pockets, they don't know who's holding those things, actually. They don't know who's standing next to them. If you think that's great, you know... Children died. Oh, I know. You know, anyway, I'm really sickened by it and I'm infuriated by the requirement to celebrate it. Right. Why are we in this era of... of like celebrating these violent attacks and celebrating a new weapon that comes out. But each time there's a diplomatic endeavor to end a war, it's so controversial and so heavy and people, it's sold to people in such a negative way.

1:13:10So that dichotomy is a true problem where - As empires die, people go crazy. This is one of the things that's pretty consistent through history. They lose their sense of reality and they become violence worshipers. And I just hate to see it happening to this country that I love so much and that I'm never leaving, but like this is really dark. Yeah. So dark. It is dark. So what, so you don't know bottom line what the plan is for the population of Gaza or the West Bank. Yeah. I do know they cut my line on forced displacement and now there's new reporting on them moving them out of Gaza. So it's not headed into the right direction.

1:13:45So America is for forced displacement. I think this country was founded by people who were so bonkers. Okay. Last question. What was your firing like? um did they explain to you why you were being let go never explained anything to me um i and technically i heard the nea my bureau nearest affairs technically never heard either so really came from up top so very odd um i they did ask me about that line that's the only hint that we have um look the state department with all the issues that it has as does have amazing patriotic patriotic Americans working there every day. I worked with them. They're trying their best.

1:14:28They're doing their work. They're smart. And I miss working with them. I was someone that was well-established in the building with political appointees and civil servants. And they just pulled the rug from under me out of the blue over what I explained to you earlier, which was pretty basic stuff. and on the Sunday, I believe it was August 17th, lost access and then I got a text from my contractor letting me know. Have you called David Milstein to ask what happened? I have not. Maybe we should call him after this. We could. Look, this whole situation was so unexpected. I was just living my life, going to work every single day, five days a week.

1:15:20I was doing a lot of overtime. I drafted tweets that Secretary Rubio put out, including I was up at 11 p.m. at 12 a.m. and the horrific killing of those two Israeli diplomats. I was the one who was up in the middle of the night drafting a tweet for that to come out. The ones who were murdered in the U.S. Correct. Yeah, awful. And so I was there for all these moments and working alongside people with different political backgrounds and to know that these folks just without discussing with me, without getting to know me, without talking to me, saw those lines and they were like gone. And it's awful.

1:16:01And just in the office itself, it just puts this chilling effect for everybody. So I will miss those colleagues, but they're good people. I mean, the interest of the United States should be the beginning and the end of the concern of the State Department. Yep. Period. Absolutely. So I appreciate your taking the time to do this. Thank you for talking to me. Thank you.

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