Ashley Cole: one call changed everything | Part two (with George Cooper)

0:00Ashley Cole:So after Maradona destroyed England with his hand of God and then that worldie in the infamous 1986 World Cup, the England players after the game could like barely look at him. They were so angry. There was one England player who didn't mind cozying up to him though, Steve Hodge, who managed to persuade Diego to swap shirts with him in the tunnel. Steve then came into the dressing room wearing Maradona's shirt and all his England teammates were disgusted, especially because Steve Hodge is the one who hit the looped back pass that led to the hand of God. Although Steve had the last laugh because he sold Maradona's shirt four years ago, but seven million quid.

0:33Ashley Cole:Seven million. Yeah, in an auction. Wow, okay. Yeah, memorabilia is like very valuable. Look, most people don't have Maradona's Hand of God shirt, but if you own a piece of World Cup history, now is the time to cash it in because Buds, the auction house, they're holding the largest World Cup memorabilia auction ever. They've got some good shit. They've got, actually, they've got Peter Shilton's shirt from the Hand of God. Oh, really? Nice. So if you want to get your free valuation, just Google Buds, which is spelled B-U-D-D-S, World Cup. Just Google Buds World Cup's first result. This episode is brought to you by Ferrero.

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1:52Ashley Cole:Welcome back to the Upshot's two-part special on the life and times of Cashley, Noughty's icon, greatest left-back ever, all-round solid bloke, Ashley Cole. Hi, George. Hello. How's that? Hey, Jack. How are you doing? At the end of part one, Ashley Cole was riding high. He was tearing up the Premier League. He was shacked up with Britain's biggest heartthrob. But the papers were out to get him. We'd already seen how they tried to accuse him of putting a phone up his bum. For larks. I hate it when that happens. It's bloody annoying, isn't it? We all go through that in our careers. Anyway, he batted off those bullshit allegations, but there were plenty of real scandals about to break.

2:39Ashley Cole:So that Master Steps... Sorry, I don't know why he's becoming the face of it. The DJ Master Steps Nokia 3310 debacle. That was all happening during the 05-06 season. Cole was very much still an Arsenal player at this point, despite that tapping up scandal. Just had a thought, is there any world where DJ Master Steps planted this story? Because I've got to say, I've never heard of DJ Master Steps before, but he has potentially got a good 20 years extra on the end of his career out of this story. It's like Kim Kardashian sex tape. No publicity, as they say. I don't feel that Master Steps quite made good on the Kim K arc.

3:20Ashley Cole:billionaire celebrity first ever billionaire garage DJ yeah that wasn't it was a bit of a path for a bit wasn't it didn't Paris Hilton also say that it kind of made her phones up the bum well she was the she was the first wasn't she yeah the OG you never hear of the guy though Ray J Ray J he was quite a big like rapper wasn't he I won't be honest he's done I think he released a song about the sex tape after he did it did that not I don't feel that he kind of had the cultural cut through no no but he's definitely he's more of a name than the Paris Hilton or even Master Steps you know how like an entire generation of women have kind of modelled their style on Kim Kardashian is that would you say the same for DJ Master Steps I for one have yeah anyway yeah so that whole that whole debacle was happening 05-06 season so we'd had the tapping up scandal but Ashley had remained loyal to Arsenal at this point he has a bit of an injury plague season but he features a lot for Arsenal and he plays in that Champions League final where they lose to Barca remember it well that felt like a bit of a changing of the guard even at the time I thought yeah definitely do you remember there was a lot of speculation that Thierry Henry was going to leave for Barcelona and I swear after the game he was asked like is that it for you Henry he does I think he did stay another season after that yeah I think like the Invincibles team were starting to you know the cracks were starting to show they're all moving I think Vieira was about to go to Juventus he might have moved before it's actually my favourite line in the book he's talking about Vieira and like Vieira leaving and he says we all know when world class legend Patrick Vieira whose French blue blood had all been transfused with the blood of red and white it's like even like what there's a weird analogy but even like if blue was transfused with red and white that's the trickle or it's still French

5:12it's not the trickle or it's purple yeah

5:14Ashley Cole:green tea but yeah they were all starting to sort of like, you know, look elsewhere, I think. Yeah. So it's, they're starting to break up, but for Ashley losing to Barcelona in that final is the start of a very busy summer. So first up, he's got the world cup in Germany. Obviously another very disappointing tournament for England, 2006. They end up going out to Portugal on penalties again. Ashley doesn't take it too well. He says, after the game, I went to the bar with the rest of the lads, drank and got wasted through to daybreak. I got to my room at 9.45 AM. I've been up with Jermaine Genis and Aaron Lennon having a blurred kickabout in the hotel lobby it's weird that they I don't know just having a kickabout you think you've done enough of that must man's holiday yeah but like can you imagine the England squad now stay up till 9.45am in like the lobby of their hotel yeah I think they deserve to at the end of a world cup that is when footballers should party I didn't realise Jermaine Genis was in that squad Grealish did I'd like I don't know if England I mean that's after after they like crashed that but if England did I could see I could see a bender of all benders do you think yeah I mean Grealish famously did that after that was after they'd won the Champions League though they'd won the treble I never like it when they get shit for partying after going out in a tournament it's like just let them have their fucking summer holiday anyway we've obviously covered a lot of the best stories from that World Cup in our Barden Barden special so I strongly recommend listening to that if you haven't already but there is one good one that we missed that is in Ashley's book.

6:46Ashley Cole:So he's describing being in the team hotel during the tournament in the TV room. And he said, there was me, Rio, Wazza and two masseurs and we flicked on channel four. It was showing that piss take program, Sven, the coach, the cash and his lovers. There was this scene showing a Sven lookalike having sex with some woman over a pool table. I love that this is on channel four. He said, all of us started hooting, belly aching with laughter, roaring the place down. What is this? Said a Swedish voice behind us. That's when the laughter stopped dead. The real Sven had been behind us the whole time with Sammy Lee Ray Clements and Steve McLaren watching us laugh our socks off.

7:29Ashley Cole:It was like your parents walking in on you watching a dirty movie. Shit, I thought. Then Sven looked at us, started to smile and said, my taste isn't that bad. there's a really funny like line up with sammy lee who is like it seems to be like he was eternally the sort of the assistant manager big sam's big sam's and then he was at liverpool for a while as well with um with hodgson i think yeah he's just always just sort of constantly like lurking in the background mclaren as well yeah he or sammy lee always reminds me of um you know the the little like goblin thing who works in Gringotts in Harry Potter does he look like that?

8:08Ashley Cole:yeah he does oh man it's not the kindest comparison but it's oh yeah but like can we get up the Gringotts there's a really funny type in Sammy Lee Hodgson as well there's a funny photo of the two of them how do you say it? type in Sammy Lee Hodgson there's a really funny photo of the two of them Hodgson funny yeah that's the one of them both like in motion quite a famous image

8:42Ashley Cole:both yeah I always thought he was loyal to Big Sam I didn't realise he was a sort of a journeyman ass man oh yeah he's looking very Gringos there actually you got him you got Ray Clements goalkeeping and then Steve McLaren waiting in the wings to take Sven's job Ashley really loves Sven by the way it comes across he said like he describes him as having a really cool sense of humour he does yeah even that anecdote is a great example of just like so many other people would reacted in even if they weren't angry they just wouldn't have quite nailed it but Sven sort of has comic timing yeah ability to laugh at themselves again we've talked about the tabloids but I just love the idea of just a major terrestrial broadcaster just showing a reconstruction of the England manager shagging on a pool table.

9:31They also showed Rio Ferdinand's, Rio Ferdinand and Frank Lampard's Iron Appa sex tape as well, just on Channel 4. Channel 4 was racy, wasn't it? Yeah. Was it one of them sort of like Kevin Bishop kind of like Star Stories piss take things? Yeah, maybe. Or was it actually like Sven Special? Yeah, or was it like a bit more, was it a comedy thing? Or was it like, this is how it would have looked? Yeah, I mean,

9:53Ashley Cole:if you're having reconstructions of him shagging, it must be quite lighthearted. Yeah. Did they get the same actor who played him in the Sven, Sven, Sven? Ellen Sterling. Ellen Sterling, that's it, the music video. Just a ball bloke. Just a ball bloke with a little, like, nun, a grey nun haircut stuck around the edge. Anyway, obviously the tournament doesn't go to plan, but back in the UK, Ashley's got more important business because he and Cheryl are about to tie the knot. And it's the big celeb wedding of the summer. OK Magazine pay a million for the photo rights. The independent newspaper call it Gordy even by the standards of their peers.

10:32Ashley Cole:And this was a Gordy era. This is like, you know, we'd obviously had Posh and Bex's all purple ensembles. We're looking at a picture of the happy couple. I've never before seen a satin morning suit. I don't think that's what Ashley's wearing. It's got an element of TV game show host. Obviously it's got tails on it. Wow. It's quite a look. Shell's dress is quite... It's a really terrible colour. Well, because it's sort of cream. yeah it's like cream but i call that like champagne yeah yeah color swatches it is though isn't it and it's shiny it's satin yeah you got yeah and then he's got he's got the full sort of look and they're they're in front of some stone steps there's a lot of different shades of white basically um but yeah i mean they look very happy there is another famous picture of them that is my favorite we're looking at might be my favorite image of all time so they So they're both in all white.

11:23Ashley Cole:She's in a sort of ruffle skirt dress thing with like big sleeves. And he's got a like cream blazer, but it's open. You can see a lot of his bod. And what are they in front of a classic white Rolls Royce? Yeah. And then there's like clouds in the background. It's quite a music video. What is this picture? It's actually from, it was a photo shoot for, they did a promo for the National Lottery. Is that why Cheryl's? Just crossed her fingers. I always wondered what that was yeah this is like this could be you yeah as if like that's what that's what everyone aspires to yeah because it is normally they show someone on like on holiday with a glass of champagne yeah yeah they're quite sort of you've made it naughty angels yeah I always for some reason I always remembered it that they're in angel costumes yeah it's probably the photo for this episode but if not we'll link to it so yeah he's had a busy old summer you know he's playing the Champions League final the World Cup got married, started in a major advertising campaign.

12:23Ashley Cole:And it's still only early July. It's early summer. So, you know, you wonder what's next for Ash's big summer 06 honeymoon, a bit of pre-season training, or how about totally incinerating his reputation at his boyhood club? Because this is when it all goes tits up with the gooners. Ashley starts promoting his new book, My Defense. So basically the premise of the book is, it is the most defensive celebrity memoir ever written, I would argue. Because the whole thing is basically like, you've been booing me, my own fans, because you think I was trying to leave. Well, actually, I've been wronged by Arsenal and I've stayed loyal.

13:02Ashley Cole:And so he goes in on Arsenal. I cannot believe that he ever thought he was going to stay at Arsenal having written this book. Surely he didn't. Do you think he'd already made up his mind? This was like to seal the deal. But the book's coming out in July. So it's like he goes to the World Cup and stuff. Do you think he's already just told the club I'm leaving? Yeah, I think so. I think like he, you get the impression he's obviously had so much speculation about it. This is his version of like setting the record straight. But it's like really full of contradictions because he was like, he really banging the drum of, it's not about the money.

13:34It's not about the money. But like, you know, when you're on 25 grand a week and you're looking at your peers who are all on 80 grand, 90 grand, 100 grand a week, you can't help but like draw comparisons. But it's like, actually, that is still about the money. what else is that about

13:50Ashley Cole:so here's an excerpt so this is before the books come out it's early July he starts doing promo and here's some of the promo he says Arsenal hung me out to dry using me as a scapegoat to get back at Chelsea the board rewarded me in inverted commas with an insult and threw back years of loyalty back in my face I'll reveal the shattering truth about who fed me to the Sharks so it's you're not coming back from this there's not much coming back so he basically thinks that the club hung him out to dry over the whole tapping up thing that they didn't stand by him needless to say this book release destroys his relationship with Arsenal and within a month he's joined Chelsea joins on deadline day so there must have been a sort of early August awkward you know is he gonna play thing going on back at training yeah so Chelsea pay five million plus William Gallas I miss the old like chuck a player you're in you don't get that anymore do you who do you think got a better end of that deal I always feel for the player who's been thrown in as the deal the make weight the sweetener yeah William Gallas was quite handy he was a very good player but he wasn't Ashley Cole was he going forward yeah he's a bit more versatile anyway 5 million's not nothing as well anyway once the transfer's done Ashley he doesn't help things because he releases a statement telling Arsenal that he forgives them for how they treated him and then the book comes out, my defense.

15:17Ashley Cole:It's described in The Guardian as the least self-aware media outing since a turquoise tracksuited David Icke proclaimed he was the son of God on Terry Wogan. Marina Hyde there. Yeah, the great Marina Hyde. The passage that is probably the most infamous is the bit where he describes his contract negotiations with Arsenal in 2005. So you know I mentioned, he said they had a verbal agreement offering him 60 grand. So he describes this, he's in his car. He says, I was sitting pretty, turning up the R &B tunes, thinking the deal was all but done at 60 grand per week. I didn't realize I was about to be kneed in the nuts.

15:55Ashley Cole:Somewhere along the A406 North Circular Road, one telephone call changed everything about how I viewed and felt about Arsenal. So the calls from his agent, Jonathan, who's ringing to break the news that Arsenal are in fact only offering a pathetic 55 grand a week. measly he says when I heard Jonathan repeat the figure of 55 grand I nearly swerved off the road he's taking the piss Jonathan I yelled down the phone I was incensed I was trembling with anger I couldn't believe what I'd heard yeah he does he think that this is going to elicit so much sympathy from everyone just like poor guy he's going to be out on his luck he's going to be out of house and home poor old Ashley I mean he's probably got a point if they've reneged on a deal, but like, why do you think the ordinary fan is going to sympathize?

16:44Ashley Cole:Yeah. Yeah. Like, I need a book because then the Arsenal fans will side with me. It is the most ill-judged book in sort of football history, maybe. Yeah, I think that's fair. And we've read a lot of dodgy ones. I like that it almost drifts into Alan Partridge at one point where he's like, well, I was on the A406 road, which, northbound, in my new form on day. Yeah. Needless to say, it does not go down well with the media or with the fans at Arsenal who brand him cashly so when he returns as a Chelsea player they all do you remember they all wave the fake £20 notes yeah not to be confused with Mike Ashley I can see why some people would to be fair he's sort of I don't know he doesn't seem that affected by it no he does seem to say everything in his stride doesn't he this is what I like about him he doesn't seem big skinned yeah and he also just doesn't take anything too like seriously including his marriage unfortunately.

17:41Ashley Cole:But yeah, to be fair, that's a fun Chelsea dressing room to walk into. It's like Mourinho, you've got all these new signings. He joined Chelsea at the exact right time and left Arsenal at the right time. I mean, was he the catalyst or the symptom of that? It's interesting because Henry left on very good terms. Yeah. But is that because it's like, well, it's Barcelona, we can't begrudge him. I think so, yeah. Stayed that extra year. Yeah. I think, did Vieira leave on good terms as well when he went to Juventus? I think so yeah but yeah I mean it's it's rivalry also like I felt quite like Arsenal's so incensed about it but like they did exactly the same thing to Tottenham with Sol Campbell so it's like exactly the same thing yeah presumably he makes way more money at Chelsea yeah I mean Sol Campbell didn't release an autobiography slagging off Tottenham in his defence has he not done a book because I feel like it would be quite it'd be a good read yeah yeah he's a character certainly a character anyway so they Chelsea win the FA Cup in that first season nice bit of silverware that summer he heads out to LA to celebrate with his his England pals Michael Richards and Adam Johnson got a pick of them here in LA who's that on the right as well I really reckon you can see the the trio I mentioned it's not Master Steps is it Nokia 3310 in his hand wouldn't be in his hand if it was Master Steps to be fair there's a lurid red drink in his hand yeah do you reckon what's that what's that Vimto cheeky Vimto cheeky Vimto Charlotte Church's favorite drink, isn't it?

19:11Ashley Cole:It's red, it's port and WKD blue. And it does taste like Vimto. Really? Delicious. Micah Richards said that he spent 150 grand that night. He just got a contract rise and he sort of paid for everyone. How did he go about spending that much money? It was nice of him to fork out for Ashley because Ashley could hardly have scraped a few pennies together after what they did to him at Arsenal. He hasn't got a pot to piss in that life. Zach, if you are hitting up LA with the boys and Adam Johnson, then you might be happy spunking 150 grand on champagne. Yeah, of course. Who doesn't? Yeah, some god-awful nightclub.

19:45Ashley Cole:But you're going to be quite fucked off if your data is limited and you can't, you know, you can't send some pics back home. That is a nightmare. Yeah. Or different scenario. You're abroad and DJ Master Steps text you and says, can you call my Nokia 3310? Right now. Right urgently. I need you to ring me now. not in five minutes and then you go to do it and you you've got no data yeah that would be an absolute nightmare for everyone involved we're all involved fortunately I've got a solution Saley cheap data abroad it's what it was built for yeah moments like this conundrums yeah and Saley is a new eSIM service app brought to you by the makers of NordVPN it's basically an app where you can get cheap data for 200 countries So when you're abroad, you just use the app and yeah, you've got, you've got, and then you can send as many photos, videos, call your friends on demand.

20:45Ashley Cole:Yeah. Vibrating phone calls. Yeah. It's cheapest, easiest way to use your phone abroad. Um, and best of all, 15 % discount for Upshot listeners and you get NordVPN free. Yeah. So just download Saley. That's S-A-I-L-Y in the app store. Use the code Upshot at checkout and you'll get 15 % off. And those details are in the episode description box below. Yeah, I wanna. Little does Ashley know that the controversies are only getting started. They are. So sort of 2008 to 2012 could be described as Ashley Cole's villain era, really. So up to this point, him and Cheryl Cole, they were sort of seen as the perfect couple.

21:27The tabloids love them. But at this point, it emerges that behind the scenes, Ashley Cole has been a bit of a dirty dog. So it all kicked off in January 2008 when the hairdresser Amy Walton sells a kiss and tell to the sun. So I'll just read out a bit of it. The headline is Chelsea Love Rat. Pretty blonde Amy Walton told last night of her wild sex romp with Ashley Cole. Amy said he's wild, really rude in bed. He knew exactly what he was doing and he was pretty good despite not being very big so when i first read he's really rude in bed the mind instantly thinks you know maybe he's a bit kinky although she might mean rude in another sense of the world in sense of the word which uh we'll come on to but i'll just rewind in the night so they they met in the the cc club which was this sort of celeb hangout in in piccadilly and they were dancing Ashley was pretty drunk.

22:28He kept making eyes at her. And eventually he asks the bouncers to get her to come over into the VIP section. And they get on, they're chatting away during the night. Clearly he's a little bit shy because eventually he gets one of his mates to ask whether she'll come back home with him. She agrees, at which point it seems like Ashley very much loses his inhibitions. So she said at this point he slapped my backside so hard his wedding ring left an imprint. I assumed that was in the bedroom. I always assumed that was in the bedroom as well but from the storyline that she gives it sounds like that was when they were still at the club which

23:09Ashley Cole:that line is like the ultimate nail in his coffin isn't it? Yeah. It's I mean what I remember well. Yeah. Well the wedding ring imprint. Yeah because it's like symbolically just It sounds a little bit too good to be true. I, I, I cynic in me thinks that the son might've told her to say that, um, just to remind people of the, what the moral justification for this story. Um, anyway, they've, they've agreed to go home together and they end up cramming onto the backseat of her mates, Vauxhall Astra on their way back to princess park manor. So they're going back to one of his, his mates flats. There's a few of them.

23:46Cause he, he must no longer live there. He's with Cheryl, right? Yeah. I like that.

23:49Ashley Cole:It's back to, back to Princess Panna. All the lads are in the car. Everyone's going back to the flat. And Amy says, during the ride, Ashley was slurring his words and was a right mess. Then he just threw up everywhere. In the car. In the car, in her mate's car. My friend was going mad, but he just smiled and said to me, she should be privileged. Ashley Cole was sick in her car. You know. I think it's funny. I think there's a style of him saying that that's actually a bit of a joke. It's quite funny. I don't think he's just complete. was saying it in a funny way to be honest um she she says his t-shirt was covered in sick and he took it off i remember being really disturbed by how violently ill he was a lot disturbed it's not very it's not hot anyway um anyway they they get back to the flat and ashley leads her off to to one of the bedrooms she says ashley said he needed a drink and went to the toilet to get some tissue to wipe sick off his arm.

24:48How's he recovering from this? It really gets you in the mood. Yeah. He then got a glass of water from the kitchen and asked me to take him up to bed. He begged me to tuck him in. I went to the toilet and when I returned, he was sitting stark naked on the bed. We started having sex, but it wasn't long before he said he felt sick again. Then he just rolled over and vomited on the floor all over the cream carpet. It was disgusting. Yeah, I mean, get a bucket after the first form, I think.

25:13Ashley Cole:Yeah. Also, car sickness. I can understand that. And I think this might be what she referred to when she said Ashley was rude in bed. Oh, the vomiting. Would make sense. This is the same girl who said that he was like wild in bed despite being... I know. It was like when you... Is this a different occasion? Because it sounds horrible. Yeah, yeah. So the first... Oh, this is wild sex. The report, the first sort of... It's been sick on himself. Subtitle. The subtitle of this story makes it sound like it was quite a good encounter. Yeah. Good sort of one night stand. But it doesn't sound like it, to be honest.

25:52No. And, you know, after rolling over and throwing up on your mate's cream carpet, I think most people would probably call it a night, but Ash is made of starder stuff. So Amy said, he had some mouthwash, then jumped back in bed. Okay, so maybe then. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe a while. Yeah. Unfortunately, as they begin to get down to it, his mates burst into the room. as well. So apparently they'd been downstairs. It was, it was the Ricky hat and Floyd Mayweather fight. I remember that. So it was on at like 3am or something. And the lads were downstairs watching the fight and I don't know, at some point decided to go and bundle.

26:30Ashley Cole:I mean, Princess Park Manor is just, it's just a uni halls, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Even the vomit. So eventually after all of these, these episodes, they do, do get down to it. and obviously she then she then sells the story it's a kiss and tell and it's pretty damning stuff for Ashley and his relationship with Cheryl particularly because that turns out to be just the tip of the iceberg so it's always the way isn't it it's the Tiger Woods thing isn't it they all come tumbling out yeah if Cheryl had read his book that was a big hint I mean when you find yourself being sick and yourself in a hotel room in a Vauxhall Vectra with a beautiful woman yeah well more beautiful women start tumbling out of the woodwork next up in February 2010 is the whole based glamour model Sonia Wild who accuses Cole of sending her sex and x-rated snaps of himself on a pay as you go mobile what's the significant pay as you go though are they suggesting he's got a second phone I don't know is this sort of his burner Nokia 3310 didn't know that 12p a text that would have been an x-rated snap well I mean for an x-rated snap it's gonna be it's gonna set you back at least a quill it'd be an MMS wouldn't it um so one of these pics that he sent her was a shirtless coal um with the message I look so ugly ex um vulnerable yeah so actually actually he tried to deny that it was him who sent these pics he said that he'd lent his phone to a friend who must have must have sent them to Sonia as a prank he said can't believe I gave my phone away that still had that stuff in it, it's memory.

28:13I thought I deleted it.

28:14Ashley Cole:Oh, like it's an old phone. Yeah. People did used to do that. They used to lend friends their old phone. Could be, could be true. Would be slightly easier to believe if he hadn't also called Sonia four times that night. And a couple of days later, once he's given this denial to the paper, she tells the mirror about these calls and says, if that wasn't Ashley Cole, then I'm a nun. Presumably also a line fed to her. And then in the same month, another tabloid reveals that Cole had had an affair with a 30-year-old secretary called Vicky Goff back in 2008. So apparently she would sneak him. This happened on a few occasions that she'd sneak him into the team hotel before matches.

28:58So I've got an excerpt of the story here. Cheating Ashley Cole turned up the TV before a hotel sex session with his blonde lover so that Chelsea captain John Terry would not hear them from his next door room. the secretary secretary told how she and cole watched two dud sci-fi films before getting down to sex shortly after one dud sci-fi don't you just stick on dud sci-fi needless jive at some film yeah she added it wasn't raunchy stuff more like relationship sex on the second occasion a tracksuited team aide collected her from the hotel lobby and silently led her to cole's room silent like an execution yeah exactly long walk do you like your last meal honey once inside Cole turned up the telly and smirked JT's next door don't want him to hear us I said Justin Timberlake I'm in the wrong room he said no John Terry that didn't seem to get my joke

29:59Ashley Cole:that's really good what no Justin Timberlake doesn't play for England what's wrong with relationship sex Vicky Goff what are you snagging off relationship sex what's that missionary socks on Saturday morning without fair clock radio goes off at 10 only time of the week we can both make time for it