England 2007-2017: that’s why mugs lose to Iceland (part two)

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1:22While supplies last, ends June 30th. Terms at aka.ms slash college PC. Welcome back to the Upshot special on England's banter years slash darkest decade, 2007-17. Sponsored by Injury Lawyers for You, the personal injury lawyers who fight for you, unlike those overpaid England stars who've got no pride in the jersey. My name's Jack. We've got George and Zach still with me. How we doing? How we doing? You will remember, I'm actually doing pretty shit, guys, because at the end of part one, England were dumped out of the World Cup in South Africa. Yeah. A low. It was a low. Went out with a whimper, really.

2:02I don't remember loving that World Cup that much. No. They had that Ghibliani ball that just didn't really... No one knew how to manage it. The Guzalas. Yeah. I think the vibes at the World Cup were quite good. It was just... You know, it was fun that the World Cup was in Africa for the first time. Who won? Spain. Spain, yeah. even the final was it was a bit edgy wasn't it it was it was the Nigerian parate kick oh it was the Netherlands oh yeah of course the best moment was the South African opening game where yeah yeah goal for South Africa goal for all of Africa all Africa yeah Wayne Marooney says it's the shitiest World Cup but I mean he would say that he was having his own fans right so England are dumped out of the World Cup but actually Rock Bottom is still several tournaments away and god that's visual if we'd known that at the time yeah what would you have just not bothered yeah

3:01England's cupboards do start to look quite bare after this era so the golden generation out they go and in come a bunch of absolute shit munchers to be honest with you this is the point also where people go from being like England they just don't care to being like they're just shit can we even know you're not even angry anymore yeah disappointed apathy it's weird because it also coincides with one of the cruel facts of this era is that we had our greatest ever player around like Rooney Jay Bothroy John Ruddy Jimmy Bullard never got a cap yeah Rooney yeah and then everything around him was just utter shy I mean in terms of like how good they were for their clubs we had loads of England's best players in this era anyway Capello he sees that he's going to have to start blooding some new stars so he phases David Beckham out after this point.

3:55Beckham hadn't made the tournament but there was talk that he'd still, you know, return. But Capello, he gives an interview and he says, I think probably it's the end for David Beckham and he cites two promising youngsters as better picks for the future. Theo Walcott and Adam Johnson who, to be fair, knows a thing or two about spotting young talent. This is also the year that Peter Crouch plays his last ever England game, 2010. That seems early to me. I thought that. Peter Crouch is knocking about for years after that his England career is only sort of four or five years yeah yeah so he he plays a final game against France a friendly and that's the last time we see Crouch isn't that the game when Jay Bothroy plays you're getting phased out for Jay that's a straight swap when was the robot era?

4:42earlier sort of 2006 yeah because he scores that goal against I want to say Jamaica he scores a hat trick against Jamaica yeah yeah why do I know that? Actually, Peter, perhaps it's not just footballing reasons why he's phased out the England team in 2010 because he had recently suffered a tabloid scandal of his own. They keep coming. So in August 2010, a Spanish woman called Monica Mint claims... We'll participate in she for her. I've got a feeling that isn't her real name. She claims that she gave Peter Crouch a blowie in the back of a taxi in Madrid while he was on a stag do. earlier that year.

5:20Right. And The Sun published it with the charming headline, Lanky Stars Fling With Tart. That is... They've got away with words. So elegant, the tabloid writing, isn't it? Yeah. Also, presumably, the journalist had spent, you know, maybe a few weeks speaking to Monica because it was a kiss and tell story, sort of writing it up, building a bit of rapport. And she was like, yeah, I'm excited to read the article. when's it out any idea what the headlines could have been yeah not yet not yet yeah couple of options we're thinking we're going beautiful Monica's night of passion that's one option with Spanish beauty I think I'll probably buy a few copies you know get one for my grand

6:09yeah stars fling with tart presumably they're not answering the phones and Monica after it's hit the old news stats so Monica is interviewed extensively. She says, Crouch was wearing jeans and a shirt and those pointy black dress shoes all Englishmen wear. They're horrible. Is that like the Russell Brand? It's true. Winkle pickers. Yeah, Winkle pickers. Can't imagine Crouch wearing Winkle pickers. I think he did. Skinny jeans. Winkle pickers and jeans. Yeah. Such a bad look. She said, because he's so, they're in a taxi. She's giving him a blowjob. Because he's so tall, his legs were squashed up and the taxi driver was making jokes because our movements were squashing his seat.

6:47Is a taxi driver just fine with this then yeah apparently the i think the cab driver sells his story too there's something a bit fishy about this story but yeah the cab driver he he says he has to like conduct the negotiation sorry she's an escort by the way if that wasn't clear from the headline it's the taxi driver called a tart when in the story he sold yeah what was the cab driver referred to as i don't know but he was he was heavily involved um monica also said i don't think Peter is good looking, but he's a nice person. So yeah, that's a bit of ill discipline. Possibly why Capello phases him out.

7:20I mean, he's a disciplinarian. Actually, the same game that Crouch hangs up his boots, I think we said that Jay Bothroyd debuts in that game. It's not the only debutant, because in comes a very promising youngster, central midfielder by the name of Jordan Henderson. Here we go. He's had a long old England career then isn't it? Well he's only 20 years old in 2010 so yeah this is young. In fact he's so young that only two years earlier he'd set up his Bebo profile which fortunately has been preserved online I'll get it up on screen but I'll read it out. So you know you have a profile where you can sort of choose the titles a bit like a hinge profile so he went first section tagline and it just says had good game versus Ajax because I remember one of his first games for Sunderland was a preseason game against Ajax that he was he had a good game and then he said me myself and I my name's Jordan Henderson I play for Sunderland I'm number 42 you know where to do the accent Jordan Henderson me myself and I my name's Jordan Henderson what's happening here I play for Sunderland in number 42 and I'm hoping to get in the first team for the scum game is that Newcastle I guess yeah Derby I wanna I wanna win the FA Cup for Sunderland before I'm 30 I played against Falkirk and Ajax and was on the bench versus Liverpool last season.

8:47I was the first 17-year-old to be named in the Premier Reserve League team of the season and was named in 442 magazine's top 20 under 21 players in the world with people like Messi, Fabregas, Aguero, Nani, Bojan, Benzema, Pato and Wolcott. Spot the old ones out. that's actually amazing how many of those have been good players including Henderson yeah yeah for sure Bojan sort of like a LinkedIn profile Bojan was hyped at that point wasn't it yeah it was the new Messi yeah I also won Premier Under-18s league player of the season for two years when I was 16 and 17 it's getting a bit in my eye we hit you with the candy apple rain house of colours paint and won the league with Sunderland both years.

9:43I got a gorgeous girl called Sarah and she's amazing and I love her and been together just over a year. It's great. Add me, jhenderson2008 at live.co.uk. Kiss. There's more. I don't know how much this is going to make you. He says, favorite player, Carlos Edwards. Favorite other player, Cristiano Ronaldo. Scared of nothing. Happiest when Playing for Sunderland Yeah it's quite charming Yeah It reads like a LinkedIn profile We've got a pic of him From the profile If you just scroll down I think this is him and Sarah His gorgeous girl Actually there's a caption He's quite He's good looking Quite striking isn't he He's got some Wolf of Wall Street shirt Yeah It's actually It's the Match of the Day Shirt from that era Oh yeah The one colour With a different colour colour Yeah Alan Sugar in it Yeah The caption of the photo is some lad me gorgeous girl and me he's good looking isn't he i would uh wouldn't be surprising that's still his email address as well if you are looking to contact john anderson give it a go give it a go he's actually not the only england player from the northeast who's debuting in this era and has a quality bebo profile because andy andy carroll's one is also still alive tagline the big ac um favorite film is the jungle book it is an unreal movie look for the bear necessity is the simple bet.

11:04It's all the lyrics to better necessity. Sport, anything really. I play football for Newcastle, but I like a lot of other stuff. Go to the gym every day and keep toned up. Scared of, I've got a big fear for spiders. I absolutely hate them and hate stuff like snakes and that. Brackets, not my snake though. Winky face. That's great. Remember Bebo. It was actually quite brutal. Do you remember? You still have to like rank your friends. Are you ranking Andy Carroll or Jordan Henderson higher based on those? one scared of spiders, one scared of nothing. Jordan Henderson had a good game against Ajax, which edges him above Andy for me.

11:39Good point. Anyway, after the disappointment of the last World Cup, it's back to business as usual, really, and the qualification for the next Euros win the group relatively easily. It's actually during that campaign that Capello decides it's about time he reappointed John Terry as captain. He said that he decided that one year off the job was punishment enough for knobbing. for nobbing when well whether you believe on that story or not yeah that's that's why that was the story that came out that he'd obviously with Vanessa Perrin's self-truthers on this part they didn't check but that was he was yeah dropped for that stripped of the captaincy for that but Capello puts him back in that decision does backfire when Terry doesn't repay his faith and an even nastier scandal hits him when he's banned for four matches for racially abusing Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League match, which we talked about again on the Terry episode, so won't get into the details of it or Terry's defense that he was just repeating the phrase back to Anton.

12:43But that aside, four games is ridiculous for a ban because they found him guilty of racing with a four-match ban, which for context, the same year, a 14-year-old kid was given a five-match ban for giving his name as Father Christmas to a ref, when he was booked. I mean, that shouldn't be a five-match ban. It shouldn't be a five-match ban, but he's getting more than... 25 % worse than racially abusing someone on the page. Yeah. And Meechow got a nine-match ban for, like, touching a ref. Yeah. It's ridiculous. Anyway, the whole John Terry scandal causes a major headache, really, for England and for Capello.

13:24Lots of calls for Terry to never be picked again, quite understandably. the FA eventually decide on a compromise of once again stripping him of the captaincy which Fabio Capello firmly disagrees with does a interview on Italian TV where he publicly calls out the FA says that it wasn't his decision and that proves to be the end of him he resigns over the issue in February 2012 what so he quits because they won't let him make a racist captain

13:59four months out from the Euros well we kind of like it is quite funny that that is the hill that Capello died on I will walk yeah make him just don't make him captain yeah still playing I guess he would say I can't have them interfering in my selection or whatever yeah I find like Fabio Capello you sort of think you understand him but I still don't yeah he's like arch disciplinarian except for racism fine So obviously there's a lot of speculation over who's going to replace Capello. It's only four months out from the Euros. A few names floating around. Alan Pardew, who was doing pretty well at Newcastle at the time.

14:36He's also a good short tournament manager. I think he'd be good because everyone says with Pardew at first, everyone loves him and then you realise he's a cunt. Remember at the time he was, he ruled himself out of contention as well. And he was like, I don't know, like 30 to one or something. And he released a statement being like, I'm ruling myself out of contention. it's like you were never getting out of him I think Newcastle finished 5th or something he did well Newcastle seemed to hate him even when they were doing well which I never quite understood I thought he got a bit of a harsh deal he'd be good for like one tournament I think maybe yeah well you've got to be a special kind of bellend to take Newcastle to a 5th place finish and then everyone still hate you as well the stories are to be believed I think who else was on the shortlist I once walked past Alan Pardew in Covent Garden and he just had sort of bags full of like I don't know like Selfridges shopping bags and stuff and I kind of locked eyes with him because I was like oh that's Alan Pardew and it's hard to say just in person how smug he's the smuggest man I've ever seen in the flesh I was sort of hoping you were going to say and he just winked at me he may as well he honestly may as well have he sort of just went yeah it's me I love the cat who got the cream aren't I the overwhelming favourite back then was Harry Redknapp.

15:57Harry. What could have been? He was doing a great job at Spurs then. They were already on the ARP. Champions League. And he, you know, everyone was, everyone was behind him really. It seemed like he was a shoo-in for the job. So much so that a friend of Harry's who owned a golf shop decided to drop around a gift for him. But he tells Harry, look, you can't open this present till it's been announced, till the England job's been announced. don't want to jump the gun. Obviously, that proves to be a bit premature because the FA go for Roy Hodgson instead. And after that news is announced, Harry's a bit pissed off and he's like, fuck it, I was going to open it anyway.

16:34Opens up the box and it's a pair of golf shoes with the England badge on them. Oh no. Which, Harry blames the golf shoes on him not getting the job, thinks they were cursed. Yeah. Supposedly, the FA didn't go for Harry Redneck because of all this, the supposed, you know, the tax stuff and I heard from somewhere that the lawyer who got him off on that case it was ridiculous he had like bank accounts named in his dog's names and stuff but they hired a flying not hired sorry they suspended a toy pig over this lawyer's office desk to sort of demonstrate pigs can't fly you got Harry read that off the case but it's mad because like obviously Harry had all these stories against him and then the FA now I've gone for too cool my mate Beth used to work at Cameo you know and Harry Reddack was on there and she was his account manager.

17:26He said that every time he'd have a meeting with her, she'd just be on the phone for her. She'd be like, oh, look. I can't remember what his wife's called, but he'd be like, all right, Beth's on the phone. Can I have a say hello with Beth? And then she'd be like, all right, Beth. And then they'd just like have a chinwag for ages. He's like, how's it all going with you? He's just really, really friendly guy. Should have got the job. Yeah, should have done. Wasn't to be in the end. This is what everyone's talking about. Everything's on the table. This is what champions come to take. This is what everyone came to see.

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19:28Didn't work out for him there. It was post-Fulham. It was post-Fulham. So that was... Because Fulham was what built his rep up again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was looking through Roy Hodgson's Wikipedia the other day. The clubs that he managed, it's the most bizarre CV. In the 90s, he did like Inter Milan, Blackburn, but he also did Grasshopper. Loaded Scandi team. He did Swiss national team. Copenhagen, Swiss national team, Udinese. He's got a good rep around the heart, man. Because I remember when he got appointed at Fulham, I was like, who the hell is this guy? So yeah, he's got the mid-90s, he's managing Switzerland national team, then Inter Milan, Blackburn, Inter Milan again.

20:05And then it just gets random. Grasshoppers, Copenhagen, Udinese, United Arab Emirates national team, Viking, then the Finland national team, and then Fulham. After that, actually gets quite... then it gets that's what he saw Fulham, Liverpool, West Brom, England Palace, Watford Palace Bristol City yeah anyway odd career man of the world yeah he speaks like seven different languages yeah he's a genuinely impressive figure oh boy the Sun decided to welcome him with a lovely front page mocking his speech in better than it's boy gets the England job wing on the Uo's we'll see you in Ukraine and against France they've really laid that on thick Yeah, I think if they'd just gone for a Roy gets the England job, fine.

20:51But they've done it to death, really. I like the fact as well, we were just saying like, he's managed around the world. He speaks six languages, really like cultured, very respected. And that's how The Sun. They do actually get quite a lot of complaints from members of the public about that headline, demanding that they apologise for Roy. But The Sun, don't do that. They double down. They claim that anyone who's offended has had a sense of humour failure. anyway they also rope in Jonathan Ross to defend them who pronounces his R's in the same way and their next headline is Rossi Roy Rowe is ruddy ridiculous and obviously Jonathan Ross at the time is a great barometer of taste exactly when is the Andrew Sachs thing it must be a run oh it's a bit later this Rowe's ridiculous and he's fucking granddaughter it's interesting on that headline that they've spelt Roy Rowe is ruddy they could have just done the clean sweep Roy Rowe is ruddy ridiculous It would have been funny.

21:47They've still gone with it, but that'd be too much. There is a lie. Come on. Don't take the piss. I should take the piss here. I'll think you are. With respect, I think you are. Our first up in Roy's intro is, of course, the thorny John Terry issue. Roy decides to continue picking him, but appoints Stephen Gerrard as his captain in place. Much less controversial, Gerrard. unless of course you are a real tourophile a cheese lover that is uh do you remember the interview where where steven jarrod's asked what his favorite cheese is and he replies melted to be fair it is better melted yeah um he also has to decide whether to pick rio ferdinand um you know everyone's wondering can he be in the same dressing room as terry because terry's got a court day that summer over the racism to it to to Anton Ferdinand Rio's brother uh Hodgson doesn't exactly treat the decision on whether or not to pick pick Rio with much reverence when he reveals his decisions to some passengers on the tube you've got a picture here Roy just chatting to some commuters he's mad at the people yeah he's apparently one of them just asked him so is Rio getting in the squad and uh he replies I think Rio's career has reached the end of the road on the tube also there's people taking pictures the picture makes it so much funnier yeah it looks like it's always like it's giving politician on a campaign trial yeah was this on the way to Wembley no idea it is famously best reached by by tube but yeah the bloke's sort of just like leaning over his shoulder as well being like he's reached the end of the road he hadn't spoken to Rio about this point he gets out into the press telling people on the circle yeah Hodgson does have to announce that publicly though he says then that it's for footballing reasons and to be fair to him Rio hadn't played for England for over a year I think at that point he'd had lots of injuries Fergie actually comes out and says yeah fair enough he wouldn't be able to manage the intensity of a tournament although actually years later Roy does admit that there was more to it than the footballing reasons because he said he he knew that rio and terry couldn't be in the same dressing room so he had to pick one or the other the racist probably the racist yeah i mean terry was in footballing terms probably the better pick yeah by that point i think terry had a longer shelf life than rio did at that point obviously that leaves a bit of a gap at center back in the team gary cahill comes in as first choice, but he gets an injury on the eve of Euro 2012, which rules him out.

24:39So Rory decides who else to pick but Martin Kelly, of course, the Liverpool centre-back, who has the dubious honour of having the shortest England career ever. Two minutes and 39 seconds. Gets subbed on for the last two minutes, 39 seconds for a friendly against Norway. In a way, is that better than having like two matches. It's quite fun. You can sort of embrace it. You've got like pub quiz ability there. There's a bit of legacy. Yeah. And you're like, well, it's not like I got a chance and fucked it. Yeah. I never, you know what I mean? I just like had, had the experience. Whereas if you play a few, it's like.

25:18Do you know who's the second shortest career? Is it recent? Relatively recent. Yeah. Go on. It's Nathaniel Chalaba who played one second longer than Martin Kelly did. That's the one you want. Yeah. Not the shortest. Martin, Martin Kelly, does make the squad actually for Euro 2012. Must have impressed Roy with his two minute cameo. It doesn't make it onto the pitch though, sadly. Apparently he came down with a virus at the tournament. He was sick for the whole thing. So just up in his room, just like, I'm so ill. Always have those two minutes, 39 seconds there. He might've played. That tournament actually starts all right for England.

26:00They top a group with France in it. but then in the next round they go out on penalties to Italy it's the one remember when Pirlo did the did the Penenka doesn't he like totally outplay yeah I mean the fact that England even got to penalties in that match was a miracle really Pirlo was just at his peak there Penenka in a shootout you bastard it's really it was filthy but not actually the filthiest goal that England can see in that era because a few months later in a friendly against Sweden Zlatan scores that outrageous bicycle kick that's just close and the former AC Milan and Barcelona striker wasn't done with that scoring a fourth in added on time he's out of his box he had to add it bad but he didn't back his incredible improvisation that is ridiculous isn't it I don't know if Joe Hart's done that much wrong no he's the he's a pretty bad he mistimed his jump so we end up losing that game 4-2 to Sweden Zlatan scores all four of Sweden's goals yeah it was just one of those goals that even though we lost, everyone was just like, yeah, fair enough.

27:06And we were sure. Yeah. It was also that, that summer 2012 was the weird interlude of Team GB at the London Olympics. Had a very, had a very Eurosport vibe to it. Yeah. Didn't feel like football. Yeah. So, so it's pretty underwhelming on the pitch, but off it is where the action really happens. In particular, for Micah Richards, who sounds like the time of his life at this tournament. He said, it was the party of all parties what I imagine when you go to uni when you're in halls we went to training come back to the village they were up till 4am but different campuses Team GB in one block Brazil, France there's a massive big room full of condoms honestly God I was on fire there's multiple gold medals one of the best times of my life it was incredible I mean as a professional footballer surely you clean up because we were discussing this on our Winter Olympics episode that obviously it's a shag fest but there's a hierarchy right?

28:00yeah the sprinters sprinters are at the top yeah you've got like Usain Bolt Michael Rich is probably not far off the Usain Bolt level yeah quite fame centric but then you've sort of got your shot putters your shot putters they sort of keep to themselves yeah who else is hammer throw yeah I think the the heavy throwers archers yeah archers I don't know I don't know the shooters I feel like they keep to themselves yeah they drink and port together and stuff what else is sexy Swimmers are sexy I think Yeah Swimmers Don't know what's going on With the newer one Like the sort of BMX I think They're great The horse riders And the shooters They stick Keep to themselves To themselves Equestrians You probably get the odd Quite hot horse Sorry I'm making a scene Yeah Whereas a footballer Surely you're up there I guess it's quite nice Because whichever sport you're in You've then got the other countries So you've always got some There's a clear hierarchy Yeah You've got a feel for that One skateboarder That was like 50 Yeah He's going to have to look at other sports hopefully how do you think the ping pong boys are doing I think yeah they're not great they're hanging out they're gaming good party tricks you know good at beer pong yeah back in the qualifiers though Roy is trying to inspire a bit of bit of fire in his team though I'm not entirely sure they always get his his approach to things so during half time of this qualifier against Poland he decides to spend 12 of the 15 minutes of the halftime telling a long-winded joke to Chris Smalling about a monkey that gets sent to space.

29:3612-minute joke. It's like a whole bit. I'd be exaggerating. Stand-ups get less. 12 minutes. Do you want to hear the joke? Yeah, let's hear the joke. Apparently this joke's very popular at NASA. Is it 12 minutes long? I'll give you the abridged version. So, NASA decided they finally send a man up in a capsule after sending only monkeys up in earlier missions. Fire the man and the monkey into space. The intercom crackles. Monkey? Fire the retros. Little later. Monkey? Check the solid fuel supply. Later still. Monkey? Check the life support systems for the man. The astronaut takes umbrage and radios NASA.

30:16Look, guys, when do I get to do something? NASA replies. In 15 minutes, feed the monkey. Is that it? That's the joke. I don't get that. you know when they're like we've found this the oldest joke from like 400 BC and it makes no sense yeah I think it's similar for the science joke isn't it but what's the joke the joke is that the bloke's useless he's useless really right and anyway basically the reason Hodgson was telling this joke was because he wanted to emphasise to Chris Smalling that he needs to pass to Andros Townsend so I think in that in that in that line up Chris Smalling is the astronaut Andros Townsend is the monkey you um it's a you think you can just you just just tell him directly it's half time we haven't got much time just tell him past and just we're one nil down against poland what are you on about yeah he's been like managing in scandinavia it sounds like a sort of like scandy idiom that doesn't quite doesn't quite translate but yeah it's the question like smooly again i'm just sounds like blank expression i had a really funny story about um roy hodgson which kind of like testament to the fact that he's got like a sense of humor actually i'll tell the story and then you can determine whether it was accidental or intended or not but we um ages ago was recording a podcast with um chris richards the uh crystal palace center back and um after the recording had finished there's a bit of an awkward moment where you've got to wait for all the files to upload because it was like an online recording so you make a bit of small talk and i was like oh chris i'm a i'm a big fulham fan like what was it like to work on the roy and then he just sort of like started laughing and he was like he's from the south of America but I'm not going to do the accent but he was like yeah Roy was old school he's really old school I remember one time I was in a training session and he pulled me aside because I wasn't doing something right and he was like Christopher you need to be following them stone your position you're getting drifted here and there and everyone's watching him give Chris this bollocking and he said halfway through he just lets out the biggest fart but maintains eye contact with me the whole time.

32:23And he says, I've got like, Jordan and I absolutely pissing himself. Nathaniel Clyde is on the floor. None of them can believe what they've seen or heard. And then he was like, I swear to God, he was doing it to like test my mental strength to see whether he was going to break me. But I just thought it was such a funny story. We're sure Roy is in complete control of that. That's what I wanted to ask. Is that old school or just old? He's lost control of those.

32:52he's incontinent did Chris Richard suffer any ill effects as a result of the fart well he's gone from strength to strength in his palace career he's one of these I was thinking if he did inhale any of those fumes and it caused any sort of lung issues then he'd probably want to speak to a lawyer because that was an accident that happened in the workplace and if he is If you are listening, Chris, and you'd like to get in touch with someone, I do know exactly the people you should speak to. And that is injury lawyers for you. Because I'm sure that that's the kind of thing that they'd cover. Inhaling sort of toxic fumes or gases.

33:31Any accident that wasn't your fault. I mean, you could argue that Roy had an accident that wasn't his fault. It's just old. But I don't think you can claim against Fulham FC. Or Crystal Palace. Crystal Palace. Against Steve Parrish. You've made me flatulent in this job. yeah the canteen but yeah they're rated 4.8 on Trustpilot 4.8 out of 5 on Trustpilot injury lawyers for you yeah they're the number one for if you need to make a claim against someone no win no fee yeah no win no fee so Chris may as well give it a go give it a go it's an unusual case but I'm sure they've got a lawyer I'm sure Victor the Lion will yeah Leon that's what you are and Roy likewise you might as well give it a go sue the see the dinner ladies at palace there's a lot of beans in that dish that's another thing talking of beans so my sister used to work at this cafe um near where my parents live and roy uh used to i think he still does live around there but he used to come in every day and order the same thing which was beans on toast well then how are you surprised you're flatulent he was like every day every day he'd come in and he'd have a cup of tea and beans on toast Chris needs to give that bit of evidence to the lawyers because they'll run with that exactly he's negligent with his breakfast Leon and Victor will make short work of that put Roy in the dock give him a poke yeah so what if you've had an accident that wasn't your fault injurylawyers4u.co.uk but they do qualify for the 2014 World Cup in Brazil everyone was very excited for this World Cup but I mean that was a great run South Africa and Brazil Yeah, that's a fun location.

35:15Anyway, it's, you know, England fans, we might not have the best squad, but we're excited. And in the warm-up games, Roy Hodgson decides to blood another promising youngster at right back, Mr. John Flanagan. Who, again, not necessarily the level the England fans are used to. But actually, John has some fans out in Brazil where they're going, including the great Cafu, who around this time anoints John Flanagan as his natural successor. He flies to England, watches him at Anfield, and tips him to win as many trophies as I did. John Flanagan. Yeah, it doesn't quite work out. What is it in particular?