Evel Knievel: what goes up must come down (with Horatio Gould) | Part three

30:11He doesn't seem like much of a biohacker. No, no, no. God, no. By the way, he is. He's survived it. He's a bit of a medical... Maybe that's the secret. anyway so he starts to sort of rest on his laurels a bit and his popularity actually starts to wane he's jumping over paddling pools yeah he's phoning it in but this is Evel Knievel and he's always got one more idea in him and so he cooks up another high profile stunt capitalising on Jaws which is the big blockbuster film of the era really and so he decides he's going to jump over a tank of 14 live man-eating sharks what a non-man-eating shark oh I guess because they're like basking yeah I guess to be fair to be fair you fucked me wrong I thought I'd poke a hole in it and there's actually loads of non-mannity sharks fair enough whale shark I mean we can keep listing them we can I think we've made our point however I love it it's just like Oscar lemon shark tiger shark are they manny I don't think many most sharks aren't actually manny yeah including it turns out the sharks that he jumps over because they're actually heavily sedated they're brought from florida and they're sedated one of them dies on the way it doesn't go down very well the rest of them are sort of pretty dopey um so i'm exhausted fairly sure that if he lands in the tank he's probably just right right right but still they don't know that the

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33:39Visit your nearest croc store today. The optics still. Yeah, and for me, I care more about that. Yeah, showmanship. That's why I like the canyon. It doesn't matter if he was going to do it or not. He does end up clearing the tank, actually, but he does slip on landing, sustaining another serious injury, and that is his last high-profile jump. Let's get it up. Oh, God. It's filmed on a potato. Oh, he does slip. That was a good slip. 77, sharp jump. oh god Wisconsin that's where it is also he he has a second Hollywood film at this point Viva Knievel fucking bombs the box office it's Knievel fever people are a little bit over it I think we've got the Nerf ball now yeah the world's first indoor ball yeah it's hard to think about cinemas just people won't leave the house the economy's crashed you know with like everything from like gangster rap to tiktok they're like it's poisoning children's minds the indoor ball they don't know their limits anymore this was the reason for the winter of discontent there's no productivity in the economy because everyone's inside pelting a foam ball at their mantelpiece fun times but with Evil's popularity on the decline the people around him start to cash in including a Hollywood promoter called Sheldon Saltman.

35:05Well, I think Sheldon Saltman sounds very trustworthy. If someone called Sheldon Saltman gives me a contract, I'm not even reading it. I'm like, well, I'm sure you've got my best interests. Mr. Saltman. It's so this whole story. This is literally. It is the suspense, isn't it? Snake River Canyon. Sheldon Saltman. Yeah. Sheldon Saltman is, you know, I mentioned earlier the Judas character from the Snake River Canyon. so Sheldon was Sheldon was one of the promoters who helped to promote the Snake River Canyon jump but he's a little fucking rat so he'd also travelled around on tour in the film in the film I'd always play evil music whenever he comes on stage even if he hasn't done like whenever it's his scene so he hasn't done anything but then he'll just be like that guy's making me uneasy

36:04so yeah he's been he's been on tour with evil for for some time um doing seeing all these different jumps and seeing a lot of the behind the scenes shenanigans that have been going on and as evil's popularity declines he decides to cash in and he publishes a book called evil knievel on tour where he basically spills the beans on all of these things and evil is quite understandably pretty livid about this miffed what does he say about him he so he basically he just tells him about all the like partying womanizing um that type of thing but so evil he says that uh sheldon wrote in this book that he'd been taking drugs which he says is not true but in the book like sheldon doesn't mention that in the book so i think he was i don't think he was even read it he's like well he's probably talked about those coke binges yeah it's probably just completely out of line no i didn't mention any of that yeah um but he says he says these kids have to drop out of school as a result of this book evil is he's furious about this and he decides that he will take revenge so he tracks sheldon down to the 20th century fox studios in la and what sort of like well crafted plan does he have for him so he's gonna like push him into a vat yeah well he should have kept hold of those sharks actually but he has a it's a pretty route one revenge so he finds it yeah straight to the big man up top route one stuff and he storms into the 20th Century Fox studios with two accomplices who grab Sheldon hold him down and evil comes out with a baseball bat and absolutely obliterates him with this baseball bat.

37:46Yeah, there's not a lot of subterfuge. There's no showmanship there either. It's just fucking leathery. Yeah, I think there should be some showmanship. He should have strapped him to a bike and just sent him over something. Just ET'd him off the side of the Grand Canyon. Still cycling. Yeah, it's more Rue 1 than that. It's a really, actually horrible, horrible, very brutal assault. He leaves him with compound brakes, which when the broken bones come out of your skin. Oh, damn. Sheldon ends up needing metal plates to piece his arm back together. But for evil, he's from this Montana mining town where justice is served that way.

38:26Sure. And he thinks that that is, you know, that's just the way things should be done. And after leaving the scene, he drives straight to the police station and hands himself in. And he kind of... He jumps over like police cars or not. See if you can catch me. Yeah, I don't know. He seems to be kind of under the impression that that would be like, well, I guess he did publish that book about you. Well, his experience of police is that. Yeah. But it's a different era now. Yeah. The paranoia of the 70s coming in. So they do arrest him. He pays his own bail and then appears in court three weeks later.

39:07And on the day of the case, he decides to down half a bottle of whiskey, sack his lawyer and represent himself right always works like Hitler yeah doesn't quite go how he might have dreamt it and he's found guilty and sentenced to six months in jail it's not too bad no I was thinking that as well for GBH yeah it was something like three years probation as well he kept it going around he was telling people that he got a three year sentence he didn't he just always it's always a spin yeah yeah yeah but But on the plus side, this brutal assault has gotten back in the limelight. And he spends the weeks before his sentence planning a 30 ,000 foot jump out of a plane with no parachute.

39:52Wasn't he going to land on a bale of hay? I believe, wasn't it? I think it was some kind of like sort of spider's web net type thing that he was going to jump in. And I think he wanted to do it with some other parachutists who maybe like catch him or something. which kind of he's got quite a lot of responsibility for the parachutist sort of getting a bit sad his ideas now oh yeah it's just interesting looking for the attention now but yeah go on so he yeah he's he's plotting this big jump for when he gets back out but obviously first he's got a surface sentence and he does get a bit of special treatment while he's inside so he gets sent on work release each day which he's actually allowed to just go to some offices somewhere and just plan his parachute jump which seems generous office space co-working space clap em free coffee beers at six whiff whaff he also travels by chauffeur while the rest of the prisoners are on their prison bus going to some railroad to crack rocks yeah he's a big star yeah but he sort of wins over his his fellow inmates when he wins a football bet so presumably he's just betting while he's in there as well he's still maybe when he's in the office he's able to just do that and with his winnings he hires limousines to take all the other prisoners to their work placements that's quite a vibe yeah although he he gets his nice privileges stripped when he comes back late to prison one night after his placement like I said after drink works in the after work drinks in the office space it was the summer barbecue

41:46they had someone doing doing like um rubber balloon animals magician you can't you can't expect me to go back to jail and miss this come on so yeah they're not too happy with him him arriving back late and he says that he was then thrown in maximum security in the cell next door to Charles Manson. I mean, yeah. Charlie. He was in jail in California at the same time. Was it the same jail? Do we know? I was trying to work it out. It looked to me like it was a different jail. He was not afraid of lying though, is he? No, no, sir. So is Charles Manson in the cell next door? Well, I don't know. He does describe it.

42:28He says that Charles Manson is this like, he doesn't speak to anyone and he's this very like introverted, very skinny, like scary guy. Terrifying. He, he, Charles Manson. Charles Manson. Introvert. Yeah. At this point. Yeah. I think he's, he's sort of used up all his juice. He's used a social bathroom. Yeah. He's knackered. Just like, let him chill. Even, even making him sound like he's going into like the prison cafeteria. Like, can I sit with you? And he's like, fuck off Charles. Sorry. He gets the guitar. Yeah. Oh, I just don't fit in anywhere.

43:07Evil says that after meeting him, he becomes a big advocate for capital punishment, which I suspect that he was before, but he says, yeah. Someone meets you like, no, we should kill people. The state should, it should be state sanctioned. Charles Manson's self-worth wasn't already low enough. We see how interesting the night is. America's Greatest Daredevil watch you see kick on someone get hung yeah that is lowest ebb right so hang on when's evil getting out kick him while it's down is he getting out so he does eventually get out he serves his six month sentence and when he gets out he discovers that all of his sponsors have cancelled their contracts I don't want to be associated with them anymore including most damagingly of all his highly profitable deal with the Ideal Toy Company who make the action figurine.

44:01Are they figures off or is his cut off? All of it. No more figure. No one wants to buy it anymore. They want Hulk Hogan. He's a bit of a husband.

44:12So, you know, with the toy money out the window, evil, he's forced to sell most of his fleet of boats. Poor guy. Yeah, I guess he had a lot of money. I guess he, yeah. Yeah, he's got a lot of assets. You think he'd still be all right. The mint coats go as well. Some of the houses, his jewellery and at this point he'd probably just hole up and hang on to what you got but instead be thrifty yeah you brought your own lunch in today I did yeah reheat that get three meals do a batch cook start of the week feed a family of four with you know those people on Twitter who always whenever there's like stuff about people on benefits and they're like you can feed a family of four from a you know two cans of baked bean yeah He becomes one of those twats.

44:59Yeah, it would have been quite a heel turn. It's not really his vibe. He's already a thrifty. Nah. He's not a money-saving expert. He sort of goes the other way that he can do in this situation. He instead heads to Las Vegas. Oh, yeah. And for his next stunt, he's going to spend very little money in Vegas. Stretch it over four days. I'm going to find a sim-only plan that will actually work for roaming across Europe. Yeah. Yeah, he doesn't quite do that. He instead burns through what's left in the casino. At the tables. Yeah. Really? It's a quick way to go. Yeah. He does actually try and do a comeback tour in Australia, but it's a bit of a disaster, really.

45:43Really? We just can't do it? No one comes out. He can't really do much. His son, Robbie Knievel, comes with him and is doing some jumps. And Evil is just basically skirting around the edge, doing some wheelies. Because isn't Robbie actually technically better? yeah Robbie no charisma Robbie outdoes him right and they fall out a bit because Robbie's like he's like you're stealing my fucking thunder aren't you what was that out there all those flips what are you doing you're meant to fall off I think it was like that they didn't speak for years for a bit yeah but Robbie has no charisma really who's heard of Robbie Knievel yeah yeah I think he's got no charisma he's a nepo baby in the day devil industry you can't get more nepo than fucking true Robbie Knievel yeah yeah so by this point evil was pretty much broke the only source of income he has is hustling people on the golf course and pretending he's shit and then killing them jumping over them that was actually apparently one of his tricks was that he'd play a game of golf against somebody and would turn up to the course at like 10am for a game with two bottles of vodka and around the course he'd just be like swigging this vodka and would offer it to whoever who was playing against, knowing full well that they're not going to be drinking neat vodka at 10am in the morning.

46:59And then he'd just be getting more and more sloshed as he went around. And then he'd get to the final hole and bet them big. He was losing bets the whole way around on different holes. And they'd get to the final hole, bet a huge sum on beating them at this hole. And they're just like, this guy's pissed out of his head. Definitely agreed to the bet. And then pulls off a perfect shot. And it turns out he's not been drinking the bottles of vodka the bottles of vodka have been filled with water that is kind of awesome yeah hustling yeah it's a real hustle there was another story of him on the golf course where he apparently he bet somebody that he he bet the tip of his finger that he could make a part and then missed the part and the only thing available to chop off the end of his finger was a shovel by the side of the golf course right and he chopped his finger off with that and then he said that it was then surgically stitched back on right which wasn't part of you know it was just to top it off so yeah so he's broke he's broke debt is Linda still about she's about to leave she's about to at last the long suffering fair enough you know what fair enough Linda well I'd love to know what the final straw was do you know what he comes back with only half a finger for fuck's sake no he's just leaving the dishes hasn't done the dishes again that is fucking it coasters on the table it leaves marks or maybe it's because he's broke and yeah yeah yeah and he blame linda it does sound like you're blaming linda a lot i mean i mean there's a consistency there linda's like you can fuck around as long as you're bringing home the bacon yeah yeah you can't fuck around and not bring yeah now you're just a weird drunk like on a golf course well how broke is he's so he's 1980 he's four million in debt owes a lot of that money to the tax man and things get even worse when our old friend Sheldon Saltman pops up and decides that this is the opportune moment to sue Evil for damages for the assault.

48:56And the court side with Sheldon and order him, order Evil to pay him$13 million. Which, considering he's already$4 million in debt, I think Sheldon should have cashed in his chips a little bit earlier. Because we're in the hole now. Where do you think this money's coming? The chinchilla fur coats are gone. He's only got so many fingertips he can bet that he's raising $13 million with that. but in the film this would be when him and Sheldon get back together to do one last jump to try and make the money the money's for Sheldon the glory is for evil he actually takes the other routes and then he does the jump and then the the high court judge tears it up and says fuck you Sheldon you're free to go this is the United States

49:47yeah evil actually takes the other route and runs away in his tour bus and trailer or drives away yeah he goes glad he weren't doing that from the beginning it's not like a flintstone tour bus I'm just clearing it up metaphor so I know we've probably lost a lot of listeners with that blunder thanks for clearing that up just to make sure he doesn't got his feet on the road with the door he drives a lot petrol powered yeah possibly diesel

50:28so he fucks off and he leaves he leaves Linda behind doesn't he he does so he leaves Linda yeah well he leaves her to go on the road and then she says we're through so yeah so Linda leaves him he's fucking around drifting aimlessly in his tour bus, rocking up in random places for a bit. He spent some time in Chicago where he befriends a load of mobsters. Right. One of them, he gets called as a witness to defend him in court. Fine. And he does this passionate speech defending the mobster. And one of the members of the jury stands up and applauds, which is presumably the end of their tenure on the jury.

50:57I don't know much about the legal system. Anyway, he's hustling golf. He starts selling paintings for a bit. His own paintings. Yeah, his own, but no one really knows where that's from. just like the splats of where he lands yeah it'll be a grift it'll be a grift and he does end up back in the press but for all the wrong reasons one night in Kansas City when he approaches what he believes to be a prostitute asks for asks for the menu and she promptly slaps some cuffs on him it's an undercover copper which I think is unfair but apparently it's a trap isn't it? it's big in bits of America we've had a lot of stories like that where you can just but it's just a way to get him?

51:36or is it just a general I think men like him fine sickening sickening he gives quite a good quote to the press he says there's a little evil in all of us but there might be a little more evil in your police department than there is in me damn I kind of agree it's an unfair cop meanwhile his debts are soaring by the 90s he owes 20 million dollars fuck but he does find love with 21 year old university senior Crystal Kennedy who becomes Crystal Knievel Kennedy KKK you have to she's younger than three of his four children. Right. And when they meet, she is engaged to be married in two weeks time. He's just playing the scumbag hits.

52:11Yeah. He's just going... But I mean, it's the thing, when you're a man of that age, if your wife and kids have left you and you're in debt... What else is there to do? Yeah. You're not going to go for a woman your age. You might as well. You might as well. Just like, everyone thinks you're a fucking scumbag. You might as well just double down. So yeah, fuck it. I think I agree with that. This is why people go... This is why British dads go to Thailand. and always when everything's fucked. Yeah, who's going to judge me? Everyone fucking hates me back home anyway. Who gives a fuck? There's nothing more dangerous for the man with nothing to lose.

52:42I guess she, would she have been, yeah, what's in it for her? Would she have been alive during his peak maybe? Maybe she would have been about 10, which is probably exactly the kind of people who were really into him. Are you saying it's like, if she's his hero? She's not a charisma. It's like if Alan Shearer comes to me and he's like, I've left the wife. For you? Yeah, that would be mine because when I was 10, that was my hero. Yeah, right. It's like, I'll go and fucking bum you in a caravan. You'd go bum Shearer in a caravan. God, yeah. Let's go and creosote the fence. You know what I mean? Who was your hero at 10?

53:14Do you know? Who's my hero at 10? At 10, who was your hero? Fuck, who was my hero at 10? Probably. I mean, it's past Henri's period, but it might be too easy. Yeah, it doesn't have to be a footballer. This is a safe space, you can be honest. I think it would be a footballer, probably. Yeah, it's got to be someone... Gerard or someone. I was thinking for you it might be a chef or something. Delia. Go on, Zach. My favourite. It's the hunchback of Notre Dame, actually. It could be a Disney character. Anyway, I kind of get Crystal's psychology, which is she's starstruck, but he is broke and a bit sad.

53:48Yeah, he's a bit gross now, I think. Yeah, but it doesn't stop him. She goes on the road with him. Right. They hit the road. Yeah, they do. And then join us in part four to find out what happened. in the caravan I don't know how he dies

54:07yeah so they're on the road it's kind of a bit of a you know it's not the most glamorous lifestyle but then suddenly in the mid 90s something very unexpected happens and there's a big resurgence in popularity of everything 70s right and suddenly evil is back in demand so because it's Greece it's yeah it's some of the music some of the outfits maybe yeah wasn't there i basically basically take it this is red and i've got actual evidence for it but apparently that's the case greece yeah um but yeah his uh his return to the limelight isn't quite chinchilla fur coats and 90 000 sellout wembley appearances why is it uh it's more sort of adverts quite humiliating adverts to be honest he does one for Little Caesars Pizza Company and the entire concept of this advert is that because their pizzas are so cheap, they can only afford third-rate celebs and out pops Evel Knievel.

55:10It's a bit like Southgate doing the penalty miss pizza ad, isn't it? I think it's... Let's see how humanity it is. Little Caesars needs a celebrity for they know stuffed crust pizza combo. They don't charge a lot, so they can't afford a big name. What do you say? Dynamite! You still got it! They don't charge you, like, so they can't afford a big name. You're perfect. Ken Evil! Are you feeling it, Evil? He's back on you! Oh, he crashes. Yeah. Very good. I didn't quite get it. Washed up celebs. Yeah, sort of. I think the other two, I don't know who the other two are, but I think they're also washed up celebs.

55:50Right, okay. It's like getting a cameo from Wilson Radio. It's a good ad. Yeah. classic one yeah but I mean Evil will sort of take whatever he can get at that point it does get him back in the public eye and soon he's out there touting everything from breath mints to electric wheelchairs which actually he's probably a good guy to sell those yeah I like how it's become stuff old people shit yeah that's kind of interesting like late Knievel it's more like Knievel and you're safe in your old age there's a way you could sell Knievel adult nappies yeah for all the fucking people who went too hard this is how you fade out you want to be a thrill seeker use this thing to lower you into the bath very fast it might break yeah it does gambling machines as well which is a bit on the nose considering fuck it it's cash but yeah it's not that it's not the best life and in 1994 he gets in a bit of trouble with the law for assaulting crystals so it's a bit bit nasty and they the police are called and by the time they turn up he's fled to a nearby strip club where they arrest him it's the only place he feels safe yeah he's just like he's fled and he's just like getting a lap dance he knows he's gone into hiding yeah dirty mouth mary is uh they'll never find me here yeah um back to the safe the safe place yeah uh but the police find him in the strip club and they search his car and inside they find an arsenal of illegal firearms so he'd been been really into guns for years apparently and as he should be yeah yeah yeah but it was i read the list of guns i haven't got it here but it was like a serious amount of weaponry sure it was in the boot of his car and he gets 200 hours of community service for that uh he's lecturing kids about wearing crash helmets crystal ends up leaving him in 2001 I don't know how old she is can we see a picture of Crystal and Evil Crystal and Evil Kennedy I guess was Elvis the first to do this kind of thing is it not sort of I mean that's is that them from the Sopranos and Larry David isn't it yeah okay well that is them alright he's looking old he looks like Larry David yeah he doesn't look that badass does he in his older years yeah she leaves him though in 2001 by which point he's been diagnosed with hepatitis C or is it from the endless prostitutes you slept with is that an STI that one I can't remember which one no but that's a blood thing right yeah it's not very nice anyway at one point he's given 48 hours to live but at the last minute he gets a liver transplant last minute it's like a stunt apparently it was like they were they were literally like driving him to the oh my god and he's transplanted his liver at the last minute liver jumps over the bed well it's actually quite um traumatic sort of similar to his recovery from some of his jumps.

58:51He walks out of hospital five days later having been given 48 hours to the new liver. And then in 2003 he belatedly decides to spice up his jumps and announces plans to leap over 200 naked women on a motorbike. That's more like it. Should have thought of that in the 90s. Yeah, that would have been great when he still didn't have lead in his pencil to really make that happen. He claims that all the major TV networks want to show this. I'm not sure if I believe him, but unsurprisingly, it doesn't happen. And he's kind of, his public life is declining really by this point. He makes a few more public appearances, turns out for an evil Knievel week celebration in Butte, his hometown.

59:37But, you know, he's getting pretty unwell by this point. And in 2007, he decides to become a born again Christian. It's just all playbook. Why not? Yeah. he actually had quite a funny story about um like being in bed one time and realizing that this devil was inside him and then it was sort of like a um exorcism type moment where he like sat up in the bed and was like the devil the devil is in me the devil is in me it's coming out it's god i need to get out of me get out of me devil and uh and then the devil goes and he's and he can uh and then he gives himself to god and he's right so he's self-exercising so he's in heaven now which is great considering sort of last minute escape really yeah it is yeah it's like a stunt it's like a stunt landed it right at the end well that's the thing about born again christians isn't it that's what's so great about that you can the last minute yeah yeah you want to time it late there's no point going early exactly he's got every last drop of sin out of it why is he about to pop his clock he is yeah he is sadly there's actually perfect stunt just enough time for him though to have a spat with one of the decade's biggest stars Kanye West.

1:00:48Kanye in I think 2006 releases this music video where he recreates Evil's famous Snake River Canyon jump. He plays a character called Evil Kanye Evil. Wow. Evil Kanye I feel like they got the name and then built the idea backwards. I was thinking throughout this whole story that there was Parallels with Kanye as the sort of like constantly trying to stay in the media and it's kind of like a shocking thing after another. Yeah and it's a tension economy yeah yeah yeah well they do end up being sort of kindred spirits so initially evil sees this video and he's really fuming that he's you know taking his image and he accuses kanye kanye of promoting filth to the world which you know he's born again christian now so he's concerned about that type of thing and he tries to sue him uh but then kanye pays him a visit at his house and they get on like a house on fire really yeah which yeah I think he's handing on the baton in many ways yeah mentalist yeah yeah yeah well and is there a photo of them so yeah so Evil after this meeting decides to drop his case and there's this picture of the two of them standing together in front of a fire looks borderline awkward doesn't it the smiles the distance would he be doing that sign if he wasn't standing next to a black guy yeah the sideways fucking like putting up fucking seen that in like a hip hop video he's just like this is what you should do, right?

1:02:09Yeah. Yeah. Here's an old pose. Yeah, just for an old white bloke to be going. Yo. Yeah, he was always down with the kids though, evil. True. And that is actually the last picture ever taken of him. Really? Because he dies three days later. Oh, wow. Killed by Kanye. Killed by Kanye. Killed by Kanye. What a fucking showbiz age to die. It's a bit like Liz Truss visiting the Queen. Yeah. Kanye v. Evil. Yeah, yeah. Killed by Kanye. killed by Kanye that's it and yeah that's kind of the end of the story so he's buried in his hometown of Butte the old mining town which day is Butte again? Montana Montana yeah Montana and he's still a big star there quite a big draw and they do an open casket and people file past for three and a half hours amazing he's their most famous son isn't he I had a look at the others never heard of him a bunch of fucking nobodies yeah what about Dirty Malvery he's the only one who got out of the bottle yeah Can we see his grave?

1:03:08Sorry, I'm always interested. We don't normally do this. I'm always interested. Should this be a regular feature on the pod? Well, it's kind of interesting to see what the... Is it a shrine? Who are you? Yeah. Does it have a ramp over it? That would be cool, actually. If he got a ramp set up. Oh, look, it's got a picture of a rocket ship on it. Robert Evel Knievel, explorer, motorcyclist and daredevil. Explorer didn't seem to be anything that anyone ever said during his life. Oh, no, sorry. This is the point where he did the mile-long leap from. Oh, but is he buried there? This is a graveyard, isn't it?

1:03:35This is a mile long leap At the Snake River Canyon From this point On September Oh I remember this This is They had that made And put on the site Before the Snake River jump And so it obviously Got moved to the graveyard When he was done Right And then they left space For what happened next Wow Is that another grave Stone there Maybe it's kind of On the left Yeah Oh yeah Robert Craig Evil It's a bit more traditional Yeah There he lies And there Ends the story What an epic What an epic That was probably Our most epic series bumper series I mean it's deserving if you're doing crazy stories of sport Evel Knievel's like that's our most epic series do we want a verdict very briefly before we go a verdict on what is the character no I think he was pretty he passed it off pretty well because a lot of the scumbag stuff he did he backed it up and like what do you expect morally from a man who is pitching jumping out of a plane with no parachute and stuff it's like his whole shtick is like he's one of the maddest comes to I think I think he perfectly captured the spirit of the age and he was the American hero that they needed at the time yeah no we're talking about about like the space race and all that kind of thing just pushing the boundaries of what was possible it makes me feel nostalgic for like and feel like it yeah there's been a bit of cultural decay in that sense that we don't have stars like this yeah it feels kind of raw before bloody woke culture went bad innit who is gonna step in if she's gone bad who's gonna be our evil before health and safety ruined and locary ruined everything it's true it really is it is true well yeah why could they not let us anyone just just build around and fire themselves over Snake River Canyon I want to do that similar times I'm sure you could shall we shall we do it I think we should leave it with a question which is who is gonna be the evil Knievel for our generation Bonnie Blue we're stuck yeah it's Bonnie isn't it yeah I mean that's been the recurrent theme throughout this whole series is that Bonnie Blue is gonna be viewed as the Knievel of our age whether we like it or not it represents the age you're in she holds up a mirror to society I'm sorry you don't like what you see but you know that's what great artists do not everyone loved evil and boy is she brave daring do I would struggle to do what she's done I'd hate to to be honest alright I think that's all I have to say thanks so much for having me boys what a pleasure giving us a lot of your time no no please I wasn't doing anything and your sort of mental space no no it's all done funny dreams tonight hopefully Absolutely.

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