WWF’s Attitude era: sex, drugs and Vince McMahon (part one)

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1:57and brought in unhinged storylines about necrophilia and shagging his own daughter. Daddy's coming home! And away from the ring, the drug-addled stars lost their minds. I just had an out-of-body experience! From pooing in Subway sandwiches to power-bombing 77-year-old women, this is WWF Attitude. Welcome back to The Upshot. We are, of course, sponsored by Injury Lawyers for you. Right. Yeah. Wrestling today, Georgie. Oh boy. We are. If you're not watching the video version, I recommend having a little look on Spotify or YouTube because you will see that Georgie Too Gorgie is the spit of the great Scotty Too Hottie.

2:39Yeah, it's scary, isn't it? The world's greatest ever wrestler. Scotty Too Hottie. He was very much Channel 5 Sunday morning sort of guy. You didn't see him on the big events very often. So you're obviously dressed as Stone Cold Steve Austin. Yeah. The Texas Rattlesnake. What? your outfit looks incredibly cheap. I'd say my outfit looks like I've probably spent more on it than Scotty do. I think you spent more on hairspray alone, mate. Yeah, that is true. Yeah, your outfit is phenomenal and mine is... Well, I mean, hey, does the job. As long as I'm the Texas rattlesnake, which today I am. Where's Zach?

3:16It doesn't matter where Zach is! Excellent. He's Jazz Festival, is he? Yeah, he's Jazz Festivaling because he doesn't believe in wrestling. Yeah, he... what's his thing he kept saying? He doesn't really understand the idea of, of kayfabe or of. Yeah. He basically, we were saying some of the stories, by the way, this episode is going to be about the real life stories, the stuff that happened. We're going to talk about mental storylines that. I've not seen that. Scotty's, Scotty's mustache has just come off, leaving a wonderful soul patch. I think I prefer this. The soul patch stays. This is going to be about the real backstage craziness and some mad storylines.

3:54but whenever we told Zach stuff he just said did that happen yeah he didn't yeah if you're not familiar with the term kayfabe it's basically the unspoken agreement that the stage stuff is real sure but we're not going to be talking much about like the wrestling yeah winning titles and stuff this is about the craziness this is 97 to 2002 yeah it's also I mean the kayfabe I can see why Zach couldn't really get his head around it because Vince McMahon did an incredible job of muddying the waters whereas like something tragic would happen in real life. And he'd be like, well, let's use that for a story.

4:26Let's use that to stale tickets. Yeah, there's an example in this where someone's dad dies and Vince uses it for a storyline about someone stealing the coffin. Yeah. Oh, you've got a crippling addiction to over-the-counter painkillers. Well, using that. And to be fair to Vince McMahon, it turns out that he wants to sleep with his daughter in real life as well. Yeah, well. Yeah, you do wonder. There are some mental storylines. This is the golden age of wrestling, right? Or the second golden age. Yeah, this was, yeah, I mean, the golden age of wrestling is what, Hulkamania. and then this is yeah this is it so this is right this is your era right yeah this is what I was watching I mean if my sister walked in the room I'd change the channel because otherwise yeah you know on a Saturday morning you can't be staring at Trish Stratus no Rikishi yeah Rikishi stink facing someone which is always what it would be without fail whenever someone walks in it was always the most embarrassing thing was always happening when someone walked in but yeah it's they basically switch into the formula of like mad violence gore sex drugs behind the scenes mental storylines it's when it gets really sort of amoral 90s yeah and we love it gonna chuck you a few names The Rock Stone Cold Steve Austin The Godfather The Dudley Boys yep Farouk and Bradshaw getting down the chain a bit now what I like so I sort of was very excited about doing this episode possibly more than any we've done but I was kind of like I mean I loved it when I was 12 but you know I've re-watched WrestleMania 17 promo now and it'll be really silly, but we just watched it on YouTube.

5:55I had goosebumps. It's good stuff. Limp Bizkit soundtrack. It's just still so good. Really was. Should we get into it? Actually, before we get started, I just want to give a shout out to the Wrestle Me podcast, which sort of got me back into wrestling. And I know a lot of the stories I will mention today are probably heard there for the first time. So yeah, we'll link to it in the show notes. Mid-90s, WWF, as it was then known, is in big trouble. They're still reeling from this steroid scandal that they'd lost Hulk Hogan over it. Vince McMahon had been in court. And a lot of the big stars have left WWF for its more edgy rival, WCW.

6:30Yep. Which is beating them in the ratings war. So they've lost big names, Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Scott Hall. They're losing the Monday Night Ratings War. They're verging on bankruptcy. And this attitude era changes everything. They basically introduce much more sex, more blood, more insane storylines. They get these new superstar names like Stone Cold, The Rock, Triple H. The era officially begins in November 97. And within two years, the WWF has transformed into a billion dollar media property. Yeah, it's mad, isn't it? A lot of that is thanks to one man, the Texas rattlesnake, Stone Cold Steve Austin.

7:05Yeah, we were lucky enough to get him in the studio today. Yeah, so Austin joined the WWF in 1995. He was not Stone Cold. He was called the Ringmaster Steve Austin, which was a bit of a shit gimmick. He also had very long hair, which did not look right. I think he said that he was finally given the confidence to shave it off after watching Bruce Willis in Pulp Fiction. I would say, because he had the sort of, he had my look. Did you see me go to say it and then hesitate? I saw your eyes slightly lift and look at my hairline, yeah. Even with the ball cap on, I could see that. He's got the - I've always had a high hairline.

7:42My son has a high hairline. He's got the Jack Rivlin, Bill Bailey. yeah yeah peter street fellow so the nonce look as someone dm'd me anonymously this week random person on instagram argentinian i would have thought so but they actually dm'd me before the argentina bashing had taken place well so there you go just a concerned friend um so yeah he's the ringmaster steve austin he's got this hair um but by 99 so he is a shit gimmick he's stuck in the mid card um so by 1996 he realizes he needs a new name uh he's just watched a hbo documentary about a hitman called richard the iceman kaklinski and he likes the idea of being a sort of contract killer character um he thinks he could do that well so he pitches the idea to the wwf and they like it they say that's brilliant leave it with us and then according to steve they faxed him over three pages of the worst names i've seen in the history of my life so alternate names they sent over he could have been called otto von ruthless snowman ice dagger crawl luke cool cat fang mcfrost and chili mcfreeze sorry the last two are just mcdonald's mascots for like a new mcflurry on the chili mcfreeze uncle o grimacy yeah that's like if you give ai the word ice man that's what it's giving you back yeah it's very ai Do you think he would have had the same impact?

9:09Would it have been a billion dollar concern if he'd been Chilly McFreeze? Fang McFrost. Luckily, Austin didn't go with any of them. He came up with Stone Cold himself because he had a British wife who made him a cup of tea and said, drink that or it's going to go Stone Cold. And he thought, it is good. Bingo. Yeah. It's better than Luke Wartom. Yeah. So in June 96, Stone Cold is put up against Jake the Snake Roberts in the final of the King of the Ring tournament. I love Jake the Snow Roberts he's obviously he's part of the sort of previous generation really he's only 41 but he kind of represents the old guard the wrestling world he looks older than his years we've got a picture of him here so he's done 10 years in the WDWF by this point I think and yeah he doesn't look 41 he's got my hair as well he does he's sweating quite a lot from the face yeah he's possibly sweating because Because he, so he, for people who aren't familiar with Jake the Snake, he joined the WDF in 86 and he came up with this gimmick of just covering around a massive python and being Jake the Snake Roberts.

10:14He came up with the idea when he was stoned because he needed a gimmick. And I don't think he realized that he was going to have to be doing it for the next 40 years because he was terrified of snakes. So that's maybe why he was sweating. Or it could have been this. We got a clip of him. I did it all. everything from steroids to pharmaceuticals to cocaine to crack i didn't miss anything but heroin yeah so that's yeah he was he was a big drug user that's possibly why he was looking older than his years um he was also a born again christian at this point um ahead of this fight he references the bible verse john 316 in his promo he then loses to stone cold and uh that prompts stone cold to cut this impromptu promo which is possibly the most famous of all time certainly one of them king of the ring stone cold steve austin an incredible victory the first thing i want me done is to get that piece of crap out of my ring

11:17don't just get him out of the ring get him out of the wwf because i've proved son without a shadow without you ain't got what it takes anymore you sit there and you thump your bible and you say your prayers and it didn't get you anywhere talk about your psalms talk about john 3 16 austin 3 16 says i just whipped your ass

11:48all he's got to do is go buy him a cheap bottle of thunderbird and try to dig back some of that courage he had in his pride. They'll dig about his alcoholism there as well, which I like. You fucking junkie. Yeah. I like how, yeah, the commentators, that's unnecessary. Come on, man. It's the Bible. So yeah, I think apparently a lot of people, yeah, did think that was blasphemous, but obviously for far more people, they absolutely loved it. It's kind of seen as one of the moments that sparked the Attitude Era. So as one journalist put it at the time, the kids of the eighties grew up rooting for all American good guys, like Hulk Hogan, and now jaded 20 somethings who worship Marilyn Manson, Howard Stern and Dennis Rodman.

12:31They were looking for something more real, more dangerous. And that was, that was stone cold. So he, he was supposed to be a heel. Obviously you can tell from there, but people absolutely loved it anyway. And this kind of prompts the WWF to lean away from good guys versus bad guys in favor of kind of more like morally ambiguous characters. unpredictable, shocking storylines, and obviously way more violence, profanity, and sexual content as well. So Austin's the biggest star, but then he paves the way for like The Rock and Triple H. Yeah, that's kind of the sort of dawn of it, I guess. It's actually, it's crazy how popular Austin 316 became.

13:10Obviously immediately they start printing it on t-shirts and yeah, in one year they sell 12 million alone. It is still one of the biggest t-shirts in history, outsold Che Guevara t-shirts. Really? I think it's only behind iHeart New York teams. Even Bob Marley's not getting a look at him. I think so, yeah. Bob Marley needs to shut his mouth and know his role. I mean, around these parts in Camden Lock, maybe. But yeah, not globally. I have just ordered it in Camden Time and Austin 316 flat cap, which I'll be sporting soon. He's one of the top, he's just behind Peaky Blinders in the flat cap sales.

13:46So yeah, that was, I feel bad for Jake the Snake there. was that sort of the end of him as well i think he is still wrestling now which is absolutely in a way more sad yeah didn't you say he was actually because he he became a born again christian didn't you say he was actually really really glad about the austin yeah he says said he was glad that steve came up with it because it's he thinks it inspired more people to look up the original bible passage i'm sure it did did it can't say i ever have Was it John 316? John 316. Yeah. There you go. Have a look. Don't feel too bad for him because he did also one of his he defaced animal cruelty charges in the 2000s for letting one of his snakes starve to death.

14:26He was probably smacked off his tits at the time in fairness to change his snake. Anyway, Stone Cold soon has an even bigger foe and this feud will define the Attitude Era and propel WWF to ratings success. It's Vince McMahon. Yep. So the backstory, obviously Vince is the real life owner of WWF. He bought it from his dad in 1982. Quite enjoyed that his dad made him pay for it. Bit of a bastard. Yeah. Yeah. I think we'll do a Vince full app at some point. It's a bit dark, but it is mad. Until 97, his on-screen role was basically being a play-by-play announcer. So quite sort of tame. But that all changed after the Montreal Screwjob in November 97.

15:09So Bret Hart, the champion, WWF champion, and just announced that he was defecting to WCW. And he agreed with Vince that he wouldn't lose his belt at this Montreal pay-per-view event because he's Canadian. He didn't really want this like ignominious exit. He said, I'll give it up after. And he's fighting Shawn Michaels, who behind the scenes, this is in real life, was shagging the wrestler Sunny, who was actually married to her tag team partner, Chris Candido. Yeah. So it's very incestuous. And, you know, that's bad enough that Shawn's doing that. But then he did a promo on live TV where he suggested that actually it was his opponent, Bret Hart, who was shagging Sonny.

15:45Yeah. Bret Hart, who was married. Yeah. Happily married. Yeah. I think he says like, Bret Hart, he's had plenty of sunny days recently. And sunny nights. Yeah. Apparently Bret Hart had to spend ages convincing his wife he wasn't cheating on her with Sonny, this wrestler. But it's like, you've kind of stitched up everyone there because even your, you know, your secret mistress is like, what the fuck? Yeah. Yeah. anyway so Sean and Vince conspire they're like no we're gonna make this cunt lose on stage he doesn't know it but we're gonna flip the storyline on him and they do so Bret Hart loses in front of the Canadian audience who are furious and it legitimately kicks off backstage again this is in real life Bret Hart goes backstage and knocks Vince McMahon out in front of everyone very badly anyway it seems like it's like quite worrying drama for the company but actually the fans start booing Vince McMahon anytime he's on screen and the penny drops he's like fuck this is actually a really good storyline so he crafts this persona as Mr.

16:46McMahon this megalomaniac owner again he didn't mind sort of leaning on reality did he? Muddy and the Hortons no but actually it's his genius right is that he turns all the corporate stuff into more drama yeah I think we should do that at the auction yeah absolutely so then he starts having these ring fights with Steve Austin which are massively popular basically people like watching Steve Austin beat the shit out of him I think because it's, you're basically living out your fantasy of beating up your boss or your teacher which is like, in 90s America that's like the ultimate fantasy I think we've got a clip here of them fighting

17:23Vince is ripped he's greased up and absolutely ripped

17:40I was really going for it Who hasn't dreamed of doing that to their boss Oh sorry

17:50Yeah Vince is jacked Like your boss He's extremely ripped yeah I think people because he used to wear massive suits I think people just didn't realize how massive he was until this feud started yeah I mean it helps that he was an executive which means he's not contracted as an in-ring performer which means he doesn't have to take any drug tests for steroids lucky that he can just fucking go for it I think that would explain some of the other aspects of his life as well he's just roided up he um he also does I think he's very good he's got a sort of like thunderbird's puppet face he's very rubbery face yeah he's really good at taking a punch i think yeah and quite like a sort of silly like almost harold bishop in neighbor's way um anyway this this feud is like it's bringing in the ratings people are defecting so 10 million people every monday night are watching wcw and wwf 20 million total wow there's a bit of flicking between yeah huge audience and this this feud really brings more in and then they get a real lift when Vince recruits Mike Tyson, who Mike Tyson's in disgrace.

18:55This is 1998. He's just lost his boxing license for biting Evander Holyfield's ear off. Yeah. Uh, he's not that long ago done a three year jail stint. We're in the next couple of years, we're going to go, you know, public as a company. We want to legitimize. We want to, you know, put a bit sheed on the company. Let's get Mike Tyson. He's in total disgrace. Um, and actually like the world just thinks this guy's completely off his rocker he's banned from boxing he's been fined three million apparently he was down to his last 150 000 wow so they needed each other they needed each other exactly and so vince mcmahon pays him three million dollars to basically play a role in this this stone cold sean michaels feud where he's the enforcer and it gives this whole thing massive momentum so when he's at wrestlemania it gets like mainstream coverage and people who wouldn't normally watch wrestling tune in just to see mike tyson like fighting stone cold suddenly everyone's watching the other thing that vince does really well at this point is he brings his family into the storyline so not content with himself being in it he gets his daughter stephanie his son shane and his wife linda yeah who is now education secretary in the trump regime another theme of this episode is loads of these people are now in politics like trumpy politics well we don't really cover it but trump is just attending wrestlemanias throughout this period yeah is he fighting in them he's like involved in stories isn't he he's on promos i mean i think there is an episode where is it monday night raw there's a bit where stone cold gives him a stunner do you like i was wondering do you get training because all these celebs who do it do it well like is it hard to take a stunner i'd say you're about to find out i'd say donald trump does not do it well if you've seen it oh yeah it's just stunning him he just crumples he's pretty good i guess all you have to do is crumple to the heat floor and look in pain before the season even kicks off soccer fans are already making predictions who wins the league who qualifies for europe and who's lifting the trophy at season's end on calci america's number one prediction market platform you're trading against peers in a live market meaning there's no house and as the probability changes you can buy in and out of your position for a limited time download the CalSheet app and use code CUP26 to get$10 when you trade 10.

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22:48Vince, yeah, not content with disgracing himself. he brings in his family probably for me the highlight of his in-ring career is his street fight with his son Shane at WrestleMania 17 so I mean this whole feud they were building up to it for a while and it really kind of sums up the insane storylines of the Attitude Era I think so Vince wrote a plot where he's having an affair with the female wrestler Trish Stratus who we mentioned earlier Trish is 30 years younger than Vince McMahon and probably the most like popular diva right she's the one that people yeah fancy yeah so we're going to detail about it i was 13 at the time so in this storyline vince tells his daughter stephanie that he wants a new voluptuous mrs mcmahon who is stephanie's age okay i think yeah i mean basically vince came up with this storyline as an excuse to get off with trish in front of tv cameras and his wife and his also uh wrote in that he has this affair with trish stratus which makes his wife linda catatonic in a wheelchair yeah so what she has a nervous breakdown yeah and then he's secretly sedating her yeah and it causes her to go into a coma this is storyline just to be clear this is gay fame yeah um and then so linda's like this mute like just glazed woman sitting in a wheelchair yeah and then he starts like making her watch him like getting with trish yeah and yeah yeah it's all yeah it's grubby it's all normal stuff it's his real wife by the way so yeah this kind of culminates at Wrestlemania 17 where Vince's son Shane challenges him to a street fight to you know defend his mum's honour Stephanie weirdly despite Vince you know putting his wife in a wheelchair his daughter Stephanie is on Vince's side she's ringside in a daddy's girl t-shirt and yeah I think we should watch the ending probably yeah there's a twist a brilliant twist because he basically he gets Linda in the ring and is like I want you to watch your son being beaten up yeah again why why is this your fantasy and so she's propped up in a wheelchair or on a chair in the corner

25:02so is she acting or is she just why am I here

25:14she's just stood up she stood up he's got his biggest cheer she stood up behind him vince turns around she's pointing at him she's awake and she kicks him in the balls not quite she tries vince also has like myriad affairs behind the scenes with various wrestlers in real life yeah I mean obviously it got pretty dark recently in the old lawsuits which we won't get into now but yeah I read an interview with him in Playboy where Linda from the time yeah from the I mean I was reading at the time obviously 2001 yeah and they were asking about his affairs and he was like yeah I mean Linda would just ask me a list of names and I'd just be like yes yes yes yes and yes it was just like yeah so he's constantly at it yeah and you do get the impression that Linda just wants to like run her education charity she's like being made to sit in a wheelchair anyway if you think Linda got a rough ride Stephanie Vince's daughter arguably suffered worse so there's two stories these happened actually after the Attitude Era in the mid-noughties but they're too good not to mention so famously in real life she is married to Triple H Paul Levesque and when they got married in real life she told Vince the news your daughter's wedding day should be happiest of your life chance to tearfully give her away and tell her how much you love her or if you're vince mcmahon it is an opportunity to strangle your daughter with a lead pipe in front of 40 000 people so she tells him she's getting married and first of all vince is like i think the wedding should be a pay-per-view event so basically like there'll be loads of wrestling matches and then you can marry your husband for real in the ring which is what every little girl dreams of yeah i was ever since i was a little girl dreamed that jeff hardy would hit chris benoit with a steel chair on my big day absolutely mental idea just like getting married in a wrestling ring do you know who i want at my wedding thousands of horrible wrestling fans shouting get your tits out i want steve austin blading himself so he's covered in blood so i walk down the aisle anyway stephanie and paul aka triple h they're like come on this is our wedding day yeah no so they reach a compromise Stephanie has to fight Vince in the ring six days before her wedding looking at a picture of the promo first time ever father versus daughter I quit match so an I quit match is where you have to make them tap out so again Linda is in the promo Linda's in Stephanie's corner this time and who's Vince got Sable he's picked a hot girl so Linda in real life threatens to stop this fight because she's worried about bruises in the wedding photos I feel like you should broaden your concern more widely.

28:00I'm more worried about why you want to do this. It's going to get even more fucking Freudian than that. But first of all, it goes ahead. Here is Vince, six days before his daughter's wedding, choking her with a lead pipe.

28:18Just to describe this, I mean, I recommend watching the video of this, but he's got enormous biceps and triceps and he's got the lead pipe around her throat. she couldn't look like she's in more pain, I would say. The look on his face is one of like both ecstasy and rage. It's absolutely frightening. It's hard to imagine he doesn't have a massive erection. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I guess the other bit for people like Zach, who is sort of kind of not into wrestling and is like, oh, it's fake. It's obviously all the matches are predetermined, but people seriously get, you know, banged up in the ring.

28:54like it hurts a lot of it and that very much looks like yeah it looks painful you wouldn't want to go through that before your wedding no six days out imagine her vows i take thee triple h

29:10also even if he let you do a proper wedding that wasn't a wrestling event you would just be constantly looking at the church doors waiting for like so cold to kick him in the big show to steal your wife bugger well well it's the big show you're like for fuck's sake you won't see him come in just the fucking undertaker burning it down anyway Vince wins the fight when Linda throws in the towel yeah she's had enough she's like we have got a rehearsal you could have done that as soon as a ring as a bell rang or before actually if your father throttled you with a lead pipe the week before your wedding you might be entitled to compensation.

29:52Yeah. I'd say check out your legal position. Yeah. Do you? I mean, call the police first and foremost. Yeah. You probably want injury laws for you. I imagine if you were. Who would have made hay in this era? All the injuries and... Has the undertaker ever chokeslammed you through a cage onto a bed of... Well, I mean, he tried to murder his entire family by burning down the funeral home that they ran. That's true. I think Kane and the other members of the family might have grounds of compensation Have you got hideous burn marks and need to wear a mask to do your job I also do think that injury lawyers for you and WWF are quite a good fit Oh yeah You know the like don't try this at home section that they broadcast like during the shows like that would be quite good to be followed by if you've had an accident that wasn't your fault if you DDT'd your little brother broken his neck Try and lace in my boots Yeah there's something there's some overlap there as well.

30:49Yeah, definitely. I guess it's the pedicle-soul element. Yeah. WWF famously litigious as well. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So you might need them. If you defend us against them. Yeah, injury lawyers for you. It's no win, no fee. Yeah. If you had an accident that wasn't your fault, workplace or otherwise, off a turnbuckle or otherwise, get in touch with them. I'll put the details in the show notes. Okay. If Vince beating Stephanie up the week before her wedding sounds like a Freudian nightmare, wait until you hear about the storyline that stephanie refused to do so in real life having got married to triple h paul levesque stephanie falls pregnant with their first child i think this is 2006 so post attitude on screen at the time vince had insisted that stephanie would be feuding with triple h obviously yeah yeah um and he then sees when she gets pregnant obviously everyone's like delighted do you think it'd be a boy or a girl you know do you think it'll be a massive boy.

31:48Everyone's excited though. It's good nature. Tearful hugs with mom. I'm having a baby. Meanwhile, Vince is in the corner just thinking, plotting away. He sees an opportunity to do a storyline about the baby's father being someone else, not Triple H. And Vince decides that the baby should be his. So, you know, the idea is he's had an affair with his own daughter and got her pregnant. Yeah, why not? Yeah, why the hell not? It's Monday Night Raw. needless to say stephanie in real life is truly disgusted by the idea that she's had an affair with her own dad yeah so this is the one storyline she says no yeah the only one apparently vince is like really insistent and everyone's like no fucking way i think he keeps trying to push yeah he does when stephanie says no he's yeah he's just keeps trying to make other people do it yeah well then apparently at one point he says okay okay it's not me but what if the father of the baby is your brother Shane.