How Military Technology Became a Pain Relief Patch (The Accidental Breakthrough Nobody Expected)

0:00Pain is one of the most misunderstood problems in business and life. life. Not emotional pain, but actual and physical pain. The kind that stops people from sleeping, from showing up, from doing the work. Chronic pain that doctors have written off. Pain that vets have carried for 30 years. My guest today built something out of a military antenna project originally designed to shrink an 80-pound backpack for Navy SEALs jumping out of planes. What came out of that is a patch, no drugs, no electricity, no side effects, 800 ,000 units sold, clinical results across five studies, and a track record that now has the White House paying attention.

0:50Mike Hammond is the founder of Signal Relief, and this conversation is going to make you rethink what you thought you knew about pain, the body, and what technology can actually do for people. This is The Vault. Let's unlock it.

1:17Mike, welcome to the show. How are you? I'm fantastic. I'm excited because I know there's a little bit different episode we're going to be having, but we're going to be talking about a product that you've created. I can't wait to talk about the story because we talked about a little bit earlier and it was a fascinating story here. But all the way from Signal Relief, you and your company are doing some game-changing things right now. In a world of AI where all this technology is happening, you are actually doing some physical game-changing things for human beings. Absolutely. It's I wish I wish I could have like three hours just to like put on testimonials.

1:56Right. We're very limited because it's because we're a health and wellness patch. We're very limited. We can't target diseases as such. And usually when people are talking about their problems, they're always telling you exactly what the problem was, which makes it so we can't use their. But man, the testimonials, it's like game changing for these people. it's it's life-changing so and i know and you didn't even know what you were building when you first started no so let's go back let's reverse back to where did this all begin like who who is mike hammond by the way right who is mike hammond right but when you were trucking right with the i think it was the military and all of a sudden things started happening let's let's we uh so i've been an entrepreneur my whole life i've ever since college i've never worked for a person in my life.

2:49I always had my own businesses. I have 13 right now. It's just kind of been my thing. One of them was a large satellite retailer and it's called Dish One Satellite. But we were the by 2010, we were the largest in the United States. And Dish Network ended up buying us in 2012. So to just kind of give you an idea, I have I got my MBA at the U. It was an executive MBA. So most of my classmates were entrepreneurs and business owners or executives. And as soon as I sold my first company, Dish One, to Dish, it was like all my MBA buddies started calling me saying, Hey, you should invest in this. Hey, bro, we should go do this.

3:33You know, it's just how it works. So one of them was actually he's a Marriott. His grandpa built the Marriott Hotels. Okay. There you go. Um, so he runs Spectre symbol, which basically it's a, it's a company that was, um, funded is funny. We actually researched them in our MBA class and I'm looking through the financials and I noticed that it was the Marriott foundation that originally funded them. And that's like, I'm like, he never tells anyone. I'm like, what, who's the Marriott? Like, is this your grandpa? He's like, yeah, it's my grandpa. So anyway, he was the CEO of their company that builds tech.

4:11and uh what they do is printable electronics so smaller stuff like uh usually the motherboard of like an oil rig or a rainbird sprinkler smaller stuff like that and so he said hey i'm working on a new project right now that i know you're going to want to invest in you got to come out here well at the time i'm now the ceo of dish one satellite which is owned by dish so i work a lot with Charlie Ergen in those guys. So they fly out like, I think six, seven or between six or eight engineers with me come out to go see this new tech these guys are building. And what they did is they brought us to Heber.

4:52And what happened at the time, you got to go back in time. Back in 2012, when they deployed a team of Navy SEALs, one guy in that group had to carry around a five foot antenna and an 80 pound backpack so dude these guys are jumping out of planes sometimes right or like an 80 pound backpack's a problem and so yeah the department of defense was asking they're trying to figure out a way to shrink this down and get rid of the weight in the backpack so what happened is these guys claimed they had built um an electrical antenna instead of magnetic so our current antenna is you point it in a direction the more power you put behind it the farther signal goes.

5:33Electrical is like a light bulb. Turn on a light bulb. It's like everywhere. But it goes 300 % farther on like one-tenth the power. But the problem is it picks up way more noise. So it's hard to get a signal from A to B, right? And so these guys have figured it out, supposedly. So what they did to show us their tech is they had two little antennas the size of a credit card that they taped on on a cell phone you know those cell phone antennas like the like the towers yeah okay the big towers yeah so they had two towers on each side of heber and they pointed them each other and they would they basically just sent ones and zeros across the city and then when the ones and zeros hit the other tower you would record how long it took and then they had two credit cards with a nine volt battery and it was 300 faster across the city and these engineers are like this is impossible.

6:25No way. So I was like, I gave him my almost a million bucks. I'm like, I'm in because I'm just kind of wired that way. I'm like, ah, this is awesome. I'm in. So I invested into their tech and they ended up building it and it kind of did what they said. But something that happened out of that is when we were putting the antennas on the soldiers before we ever hooked it into a radio, the antennas were picking up electrical, what we called it noise. And we were like where's the noise coming from so we'd go into another building and do it again and it'd pick up noise and we're like what the heck's going on well come to find out it was the body we just aren't doctors but the body's electrical and it basically we were just picking up and and the antennas were naturally interacting with the body's electrical field so so we got to stop there because that like Like that's, there's so much here, right?

7:20And I really want to understand this because this goes to a lot of stuff that I personally love, which is like, you know, we have spirit, we have energy and all, you know, and you're really touching on this, but like in a scientific way. So we're talking about Navy SEALs jumping out of a plane with satellites, you know, as long as whatever, right? 80 pound backpacks. and this team and you guys were tasked was how can we take these satellites it was an antenna yeah an antenna shrink it down and shrink it right down so you guys figure out well we know how to shrink it right down so we get it down from this huge antenna to a size of a credit card is that correct yep that's what they did so now now i'm jumping out of a plane with an 80 pound pack and not an antenna anymore just a little credit card that sits on my chest or something and Actually, the amount of the pack was cut.

8:11I mean, it's one tenth the power. So way down. It changed everything for those guys, right? And so when we noticed that it interacted with the body, that's actually what kicked off us being like, well, I wonder if we could do something. If the body, so what's pain? Like Google, you should type it in your AI right now. What causes pain in the body? It's going to be an electrical frequency that your nerves generate that go up your neural pathway and hit the brain. The more energy, it's just energy that hits the brain, the more pain you feel. So coming from the tech world, we're like, that's easy.

8:51So I'm going to explain this in layman terms. Lightning, everyone understands lightning. Lightning hits a house or a tree. Boom. But if you put a stupid little lightning rod on your house, it will go across your house to the lightning rod into the ground. Why? Why does that work? Most people don't understand it, but energy always follows the path of least resistance. And so you're giving it an easier path to the ground. So all that energy can just focus into the rod and then go to the ground. It's easier travel. What's kind of what our neural pathways create, right? With the blood and the veins and they generate that energy.

9:31It travels up the neural pathways to the brain easy it's easier when it hits this patch for 85 percent of people um there's 15 percent that are just a little bit different and we built this basically we can cover about 85 percent we've done five clinicals and it's 85 percent every time um so i want to be very clear this is very wow very interesting yeah so you're saying 85 percent of the population in our clinical sorry yeah 85 of everyone in our clinicals this works for this works for meaning there's a set of a population where it doesn't work why is that because they don't they're just a little bit different we'd have to tweak it right so frequency attracts frequency so this is a collection of certain products i have to be careful with our patents um that we basically put together that create a certain frequency okay and so for for what happens is when so if i hurt my hand and i stick this on my arm usually 85 percent of the time people are like oh it's getting warm or they feel a tingle dude the reason why is that energy is going up and hits the patch and all of a sudden it's easier for the energy to just go into the patch.

10:49So it is going into the brain or going somewhere else. Instead of going all the way up to the brain, we give it a highway out of the body. So this is what's cool. So chronic discomfort or normal discomfort, any of that type of stuff, pain is a disease. We have to get FDA cleared before we can be a pain patch, but discomfort. when it hits this patch and they feel it start to warm up for 85 % of people, they're going to have a 60 % or better decrease in pain in less than 15 minutes with decrease in discomfort without actually like literally without putting anything into the body. So we've sold 800 ,000 of these and we haven't had one person have a side effect yet.

11:37zero side effects because we're not putting in like even a tens unit is is shocking your nerves and scrambling them so they don't work for a while there's nothing it's just allowing that energy to leave so what happens what you saw in that picture i sent you is when you get rid of the cause of what causes you to hurt right inflammation leaves immediately and so that's where you're seeing it's like it's it's there's two sides to it not only does it not hurt but the inflammation leaves they they get their maneuverability back and then things heal faster like you sprain your ankle you wait three days to get the inflammation out of your ankle and then it starts to heal well what if you can make it go away in 10 minutes how much faster does it heal so we've been testing this out with athletes we did uh the national soccer team down in mexico used it and uh they went their main injury was a quad injury that's what soccer professional soccer players get the most uh it takes 28 to 30 days for a quad injury usually to heal eight seven to eight days they said with the patch that's nuts these are these are crazy listen it's absolutely nuts these are big claims uh i love them because i'm easy to sell as a sales guy the you know easiest guys to sell are sales guys uh but i i just know people are like bullshit they're saying bullshit right and they should they should because that's what i said yeah right so that's why i i'm not saying it i i'm giving you there's such an opportunity to actually to to discuss this like what like how is this so different and then the reality is like i said on the first call if it's as good as it is why why has not everybody heard like why you know the whole world should need to hear about this right because i was going to ask that one question there there's so much science that a lot of pain you know disease right uh comes from the mindset more than actually what's actually happening in the body now like you know i always say there's caveat like cancer's cancer like that's you know what i mean but how you approach cancer how you go through cancer how you get over cancer that that has a lot to do with the state of mind uh a broken bone like nobody's coming and fixing a broken bone so i want to be very clear and you said it this patch doesn't heal a broken bone but what the patch does is it takes the trauma around the broken bone away faster aka the inflammation so that the body can start healing itself at a quicker rate which then allows you to heal the bone quicker so the patch isn't necessarily i want to be very clear on this because i think it's it's important the patch isn't the miracle drug that's clear it's automatically healing, healing this bone.

14:24It's the Miller miracle drug that's healing the inflammation around the broken bone, which allows the body to heal faster. I don't think this replaces anything that you actually need to do to fix the problem in the first place. It's just one of those tools. I mean, one of the things we're figuring out right now, right in today's world is there's different therapies that everyone used to be like, this is what you do for cancer. Now, some people are like, well, yeah, let's do that. but let's stack these other seven things on top of it. And now, and then you have people that are, I mean, I just met a lady has nothing to do with our, they use our patch in their clinic, but there's a clinic that stacks modalities like crazy out in San Diego.

15:06And I met actually a supermodel from LA. She had stage four breast cancer, four tumors. And in 12 days, all four tumors were benign. Seems impossible, but it's like what they're doing is they're stacking multiple things and it's just like we can do things better by bringing it all together right right yeah so this this is really only doing one thing and that is it's allowing that energy that causes people to hurt it's basically allowing you to get rid of that right pulling that out of the body and and but that's so applicable to so many different things that's what i wanted to get across to people is um whether you're an athlete or whether you're 70 years old and you're just dealing with chronic discomfort at the point where it hurts to get out of bed.

15:55This is one of the tools everyone should have in their toolbox. Because I mean, the thing lasts a year. You can wear it every day for a year. But this is the other thing I was going to get at is we're not here trying to sell snake oil. And so most people know in 15 minutes, if this is working, there's a few of them that have to wait a day or so. But most people in 15 minutes, we give people 45 days and they get every dollar back. Yeah. And so it's like it's a no brain. You don't have to believe me. If you don't believe me, just try it and see. Like, yeah, you think I'm full of crap. We'll just order it and then tell me if I'm full of crap in 15 minutes.

16:39so let's talk let's talk about the story if you can't i don't know if you can't and if you can't that's fine but there was something about a pretty big public uh government official uh that used this that had foot pain use this all of a sudden you're getting calls from the uh the u.s government saying you got to come in we got to do studies on this is that a story that we can say or not? It's, it's, I'll tell you what happened. So back last year in July, I think there was a Maha event at the Microsoft building in DC. And I was actually one of the speakers that spoke at that event. And so, um, right before me were two of the coolest products.

17:25There was a heart surgeon who had actually taken a pig's heart and they'd done three of these already, but they were injecting it with stem cells and turning it into a transplant human heart that matched your blood type in six months, which dude, this game changer, right? Wow. I was like, dude, that is so cool. And then the next guy was actually one of the partners with Bill Gates on Microsoft. He had built this cool device, look like a clock and you stick it in your house and you know, like they have those penance for older people. When the elderly fall down, they hit it and it calls 911. well, you get rid of that.

18:02This thing scans through the walls and floors and it locks onto like your mom or your dad and it watches them wherever they go. And it looks at their heartbeat and their breathing and all their vitals. And then if they fall down, it calls 911 and sends them all the vitals, which I was like, dude, this is so rad. Like these are cool things, right? Yeah. That's what I love about RFK actually in this group is they're pushing, they're speeding the process up. It used to take 10 years for stuff like that to get to market, which is insane. And they're figuring out how to get these really cool advancements to people.

18:40Well, dude, I'm already, I'm like up next. I'm after the Microsoft guy. And I'm thinking literally like, I'm going to look like it. I have a patch.

18:52So luckily my marketing guys were geniuses. And we had this, it was by pure luck this happened. But earlier, we're in D.C. Vets. We love vets. And what happened is I was in Walmart just earlier. And a vet was actually I'm right by Yellowstone National Park. So we're on the border of Montana, Idaho and Wyoming. It's all right here. And this vet was sitting at Walmart. He had a sign and he just said it just basically said, can anyone give me money? I'm trying to get to the vet hospital in Bozeman. Anything helps. And I see someone hold$20 out their window and he stands up to go to get it and just grabs his leg and sits back down and lets the car drive off.

19:38So me, because this is like my world, I'm like, no way, this is awesome. So I run to the office and I get all my customer service people because they hear stuff on the phone, but I want people to see it because one of the things that's like a miracle every time is phantom leg fan, like missing limbs. This thing's like changes lives in 10 seconds. So I get these people. Well, one of my employees pulls out their cell phone and records it, which we don't know at the time. So we go up to this vet and it's like authentic is authentic. And we're like, Hey, how you doing? He's like, not good. How long has your leg been hurting?

20:16He goes 30 years. What happened? It was a submarine explosion in Vietnam. Yeah. Okay. And he's like, I'm like, so how bad is it? And he goes, he looks at me and he goes, I haven't slept a single night in 30 years. Wow. And then you realize like this guy's hurting. Well, we put the patch on his leg and I'm like, Hey, I want to see if this actually will, will help with the discomfort you're feeling in your lower leg. And so I put it right in his knee, right on the prosthetic, where his leg goes into the prosthetic right on top. Cause it doesn't even have to touch the skin. just has to get in your electrical grid.

20:55Well, he's like, in 10 seconds, he's like, that's crazy. And he's like, it doesn't hurt. And I go, why don't you try walking? He goes, because in my mind, I'm like, it doesn't hurt. So you'd get up excited to try and walk. He's like, no, you don't understand. I can't walk. I can't walk. And I'm like, why don't you just try it? So he gets up, he takes three steps, he turns around, and tears just come down both eyes and he salutes us. So we're like, we give him the money for the bus ticket. We take off, we get back to the office and my employees like, I just recorded that whole thing on my cell phone.

21:30And I'm like, no way I need to get a release. That's so awesome. So we go back to Walmart to find this guy. And this is my favorite, my favorite part. He's running circles around his wheelchair. He's just like running around his wheelchair and we get up and now it's not crying. It's a huge smile. And he's like, can you believe this? I can't believe this. Look what I'm doing. And he's walking around his wheelchair and it was just like life changing. Right. So we showed that video standing ovation, even though those other things were so much cooler in my mind. Yeah, this is life changing. Absolutely.

22:08We had senators. We had everyone in that room standing up and just like standing ovation because people realize everyone knows someone like that. who's in some chronic pain for sure my question as we go through i go how much of that you know like i'm not a skeptic but i guess i am because uh these things these thoughts come through my head i'm i'm hearing all that and i'm like yeah but how much of that is uh like placebo or you know he whatever it might be versus real i don't know i'm just wondering i'm asking it's it's great question right and so that got really everyone interested so then we got asked to go meet with uh, we had one of the cabinet members and he had really bad foot.

22:48Um, he, for six years, it has been killing him, no relief. And so we made those little signal step insoles. And, uh, two days, two days after I gave it to him, I got a text from, um, a doctor, uh, that actually is his personal doctor over at the white house. He used to be the joint chief of staff's physician. And now he works with a bunch of them and he just goes, Mike, we need to talk. Blank just got a hold of me and said his feet aren't hurting anymore. This thing's amazing. I want to get some trials going at Georgetown. When can we talk? And that's where that started. But it was like, it's just got it rolling.

23:26So we still have, we still have, I mean, to get FDA to be like where doctors can prescribe it, right? Like we have, we're far away, but that's the end goal. what's cool is that it qualifies as a health and wellness patch because it's so non-invasive and so in our mind i'm like hey we got to get there eventually but right now what we can do is we can make it i'm not allowed on tv to ever say risk-free but we can make it so people don't have to risk a whole lot yeah they can buy it right and they can try it and if it changes their life awesome i mean everyone has a grandma grandpa and uncle and aunt they know someone and if this can change their life i here here's the placebo question this is the best part so we actually had this right here is the jovi you noticing a difference in there now i'm i'm seeing it i'm seeing i'm wondering it does does does do referring pain does it switch the pain elsewhere it will your body can actually move it and so you just you follow the patch with it yeah okay because it does switch yep yeah that works and that's exactly the body's like wait a minute i'm not getting anything there so then it will start to move it but the other thing that happens is when that relaxes you fill it where you used to not fill it because it used to be worse in the other area so you just just let it just let it migrate but we launched this on social media it was for menstrual cramp or okay yeah that time of the month right and so that kind of discomfort.

24:58Basically this thing is awesome. So we launch it and it sells like crazy. But then this lady texts me back. So she sends us a video and says, Hey, did you guys ever try this on a dog? And then she has a video of her dog and it has arthritis. It can't walk up the stairs. And then she had taken a bandage, like the Brown wrap bandage. And she bandaged one of these around its back and the dog was running up and down the stairs come on so i'm like no way so this is like not random at all but this is exactly how this worked out so two weeks before we launched this two weeks before this dog thing gets posted my brother-in-law dies in a car wreck and he's a big hunter he was on steve outdoor ventures and he had this horse called moose was a walking horse and so my sister comes to me and said I'm a horse I'm a huge horse guy she's like Mike I don't know how to take care of this horse but his boy Ryan's our son wants this horse so will you take care of it I'm like I know for sure who wouldn't right so I'm like bring it over to my house I got it so the horse is at my house it's this 17 hand huge walker and it breaks through the gate and I didn't have it tight enough and it gets into my 50 gallon drum of grain and starts eating the grain well for anyone that knows horses if you give them more than a couple scoops it gets so hot that they basically will founder it will like create heat and that heat will go and blow out their feet and they're usually done oh so you'll notice on july i think it's the 22nd in this picture.

26:44I'm going to send you the pictures. July 22nd, the horse is on the ground. You'll see the pain in its face because it's got all that heat. And then four days later, you'll see that you'll see its legs perfectly white. Four days later, I'll send you another picture and you'll see it's still on the ground. Only holes have been blown out both of its back legs. It's still on the ground, hasn't got up. Vets telling me, I don't know if we're going to be able to save this thing. it's pretty bad the girl posts this thing about this dog well i'm instantly like oh my gosh i gotta at least what do i have to lose i'm gonna try it on the horse right the truth is is yeah placebo is a real thing but you'll notice when you look at our clinicals that we're so far above the placebo like our results are high and so there's always placebo for sure but it's hard to fake placebo with a horse and a dog yeah i i agree and uh and so it's just a really cool game-changing product i mean we have a new one coming out for called the signal core that's for it's like a back brace and so you can actually get support plus it's twice as big so it absorbs more energy and so that's game changer for the older generation and then the one that i have that i have on here you're saying i can get that to my wife when it's you know that she's having that time of the month there and it helps alleviate the pain.

28:10Oh, dude, like game changer. We did a trial. One of our trials, actually, it was, it's just health and wellness trial. So not like clinical, but we took, we basically interacted with the endometriosis society and they gave us 200 women with endometriosis that wanted to try it. Right. So it worked again for 85%, same exact percentage, but the average decrease was only a 40%. So I thought we failed. I'm like, dude, we suck. 40%. We gave it to 80 women, 80 women tried it in that trial. And I think it's on the website. Well, I call the president of the endometriosis society and I'm like, Hey, this doesn't work then is this we're struggling.

28:57It looks like, and he goes, I've never seen something work this good ever. He goes, you don't understand people that have have this live in pain. There's no, there's nothing you can do to get rid of it. And he's like, we've never seen anything like this. So we're in the middle of an actual IBR clinical right now for that very thing that will be done this end of this year. But it's just a really cool product. And I mean, I'm glad we came across it. I think it can do a lot of good, but I think ultimately FDA clearance, medical, like getting into the medical building one that actually can be issued by doctors is that's what you want to do.

29:36That's great. But why do you need one to get issued by doctors? I mean, this is a pretty low investment from what I'm from what we talked about. We're talking about what, like 80 bucks, a hundred dollars. It's literally 120 bucks for a year. $120 for a year. With your discount, because you have a discount code that gives people a huge amount off. I think it's normally 160, but we're doing like, they have a normal discount and then you get an additional percent off for all of your listeners that's on top of what's out there already. And so it's, it's nothing. And it's like, I mean, if it doesn't work, you get your money back.

30:14That's the great thing. But if it does, that's probably the best 120 bucks you've spent all year. And so, dude, I wish I could send you my voicemails from guys that I get. I bought a large construction company from this old, old, I mean, you can imagine. So it was a huge construction company at the time when I bought it out in Jackson hole. The guy has all the means in the world, but he's like, man, he was sitting down and he's like, I just can't sit anymore. It hurts too bad. And he's like, I have to go to, he had to go to church. He called it state conference and sit on a wooden bench. And he was so nervous.

30:51So I gave him my patch. He's one of the first guys I ever gave one to ever. And I've kept his voicemail now for four years because I get his voicemail and he goes, his voicemail is like, Mike, um, I don't know what to say. He's like, I don't know what the hell you put in this thing, but this is crazy. It was just a surprise in his voice. He's like, this is crazy. I sat on the bench for three hours. I sat up and shook hands for an hour and I haven't had to take any Advil. And he's like, this is just, this is amazing. And he actually was one of our first investors. He called me back and is like, how do I invest into this?

31:30But it's just such a cool product because I think, I feel like Western medicine has taken this shift over the last few years where we just give people more stuff to get rid of a problem, but the side effects are almost more damaging than the problem itself. Right. And so we have a lot of addiction now that we're dealing with everywhere. And we have something right here that's non-invasive, non-addictive, and probably for some people even more effective, which is crazy. And so I just say, man, what do you have to lose to try it? Especially with the deal you're giving everyone, like they should try it.

32:11Yeah. We're going to have that in the show notes for sure. I'm just going to say this. I was excited to have you because if what you're saying is happening and you're changing lives at the rate you're changing, then I just want to be part of that whole program, basically. And to have you on here and to hopefully if listeners are sitting here, I'm just going to say this like legit. If you're sitting here and you have chronic pain or you know someone who has chronic pain and or feeling with discomfort, you really have nothing to lose. This could be the thing that actually allows, whether it's your grandma, maybe your grandfather, your mom, your dad, to be able to walk again, to be able to to get up with vitality.