A Potential Death Blow To AI Search - WAN Show June 12, 2026

19:42Linus Sebastian:okay interesting uh try a different browser entirely uh okay all right i'll open it because

19:49Luke Lafreniere:all right microsoft are you are you a microsoft representative are you trying to

19:55Linus Sebastian:no well i mean you could use firefox i don't have it on here you could use chrome to get firefox

20:03Luke Lafreniere:i did get the same result interesting because i know there was this thing recently i don't know

20:11Linus Sebastian:if we talked about on my show or not but uh google chrome is reserving like a bunch of space on your on your drive uh for ai stuff and i don't remember if that in included things like results and whatnot okay um so a different browser getting the same one is is interesting someone in chat oh i just saw uh kuro setsuna 29 said i wonder if it's region cache i'm in a different region yeah that would be interesting yeah that could be it um because mine goes testing is the act of subjecting a system person or process to experiments uh which is different than yours yeah it's close but

20:50Luke Lafreniere:different right yeah yeah a little bit a little bit different and i i refreshed the page and got

20:58Linus Sebastian:the same thing. Let me try it in a different browser. Okay.

21:01Luke Lafreniere:Alright. This has become kind of an interesting rabbit hole. Sorry guys. I know you were expecting WAN show but I mean this is WAN show. This is kind of WAN show. Yeah. Testing.

21:19Oh.

21:25Linus Sebastian:In okay. in Firefox based on this device I'm not logged in so it's figuring out my geolocation and making everything Mandarin I'm guessing oh that makes sense actually it did not give me an ai overview at all okay then yeah that checks out english trying to do url things

22:07Luke Lafreniere:avon fox says it's probably quicker to regenerate than to pull from cache yeah but that's exactly what i was kind of wondering is like are they better off using a better model um and then using caching versus a super light model that like makes a ton of mistakes um especially when it's something that you know is a is a pretty static uh outcome like a like something that is not going to to change from day to day like the definition of a common word for instance

22:42Linus Sebastian:one second here sorry there we go uh can i change this it's also interesting to me that it um

22:53Luke Lafreniere:it cites cambridge dictionary as its first one uh with club.ministryoftesting whatever the devil that is and also some youtube short um and then when i actually go there oh there's an ad oh wow that's a lot of LTT store ads. Oh my goodness. Anyway, nowhere on the Cambridge site is like exactly that definition. And you'd think it would be simpler and less error prone to just give me the... That's a lot of LTT store ads. Holy crap. All the LTT store ads. I wonder how much money

23:37Linus Sebastian:was just spent spamming your browser with that. I shudder to think. You know, it might have been pretty effective because it ended up on WAN Show though. Okay, so mine did not match. But I'm wondering if so I went to specifically a Canadian Google search thing. I didn't actually realize this was even a thing at all. I searched up Google Canada and And it gave me like, I don't know. If you go to Google right now, does it show a like red and white Google logo with the Canadian Soccer Association logo and stuff flicking by?

24:26Luke Lafreniere:Sorry, this? Yeah.

24:29Linus Sebastian:Let me see. I got to wait for this thing to catch up. Yeah, okay. Okay, so I got that basically. and I searched on there and now I got testing is the act of evaluating, measuring, or examining the capability, safety, or characteristics of something and then blah blah blah Is that the same as yours? Because that is very different than my previous one

24:57Luke Lafreniere:Not quite Systematic process of evaluating a system product or idea to determine its functionality performance or safety Yeah, so it just it shuffles things around a little bit. And when you shuffle things a little bit, well, then you introduce the potential for errors. And it's just seems to be a feature rather than a bug. And that's just kind of what we're stuck with. And somebody's, somebody's got to be accountable for it. And, you know, Google's basically saying, hey, well, it should be the user. But I mean, we just with this, the simplest of tests, searching the word testing, found that it will sort of move things around.

25:35Luke Lafreniere:It'll cite sources that don't actually have exactly that definition. I just, and it's hard because it's really tempting because it's right there. Like I find myself searching for something and going, right, right, right, right, right. I can't trust that. Don't look at that. Look under that. Go under the fold and start clicking into things because it's just so convenient. Why don't we jump into our next big topic? You want to pick one?

26:07Linus Sebastian:Sure. Let's tackle this because I'm interested in how this is going to go.

26:16Linus Sebastian:A Florida hospital is using Palantir to catch sepsis earlier. It saved 886 lives so far. um yeah tampa general hospital in florida has used palantir built has used a palantir built system called the sepsis hub okay that's a scary name it is to save an estimated 886 lives since 2022 having sepsis related deaths the software pulls real-time data from electronic health records lab results clinician notes and bedside monitors across roughly a thousand patients at once, watching for subtle early signals of sepsis that can get lost on a busy floor, then alerts a rapid response team so flagged patients get antibiotics within an hour.

27:04Linus Sebastian:It's also cut sepsis patient hospital stays by 30%, which is going to benefit all other problems, basically. Context for all this matters, sepsis kills around 350 ,000 Americans a year, making it the leading cause of death in U.S. hospitals. Tampa General isn't alone in its results either. A separate AI model called Composer, tested by UC San Diego across two ERs, showed a 17 % drop in sepsis deaths after going live. The discussion question is, if an AI system can demonstrably have sepsis deaths at one hospital, what's actually stopping every other hospital from deploying the same kind of tool?

27:45Linus Sebastian:um i think the thing stopping it a lot of the times posture but also rigor um like they have to verify that this thing actually does work first um i mean now that it's working i think that will

28:01Luke Lafreniere:probably help it to become something that would be to make sure it's not doing anything else

28:06Linus Sebastian:potentially bad as well um but it is probably pretty good and obviously you can't exactly balk at 886 lives and i think uh the families of the people saved would probably even be annoyed that i even brought this up but one thing that flagged me immediately when reading this is that palantir is receiving the health records lab results clinician notes and all the details from the bedside monitors of every single patient at this entire hospital um well roughly a thousand

28:40Luke Lafreniere:patients i don't know if it's every single one that's everyone at the hospital i think it's everyone at the hospital that has those things um i could be wrong but i i think that's the case

28:51Linus Sebastian:because their their note here um the other thing that i i thought was interesting um is it's it's not just patients with sepsis because they're trying to do early warning detections for patients getting sepsis um so i i think they're just if you're if you're that wired up um i think i think

29:13Luke Lafreniere:your initial assessment was right uh by the way this is hilarious ai overview tampa general hospital is licensed for 1 ,354 total beds system wide across the blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah about tampa general hospital tampa general is licensed for 982 beds

29:34Linus Sebastian:right under it beautiful fantastic i i i honestly i i find mistakes in the ai overview like almost every single time i use it it's i i hate it it has genuinely made google significantly worse um i i have seen myself using other tools because google is worse for me now than it was in like I don't know 2015? Like genuinely 11 years ago? Like we've gone so far back that we're over a decade behind and you know maybe it'll eventually be better or something but it's worse than useless right now but anyways back to the topic looking at Palantir's playbook they want to own all of the data in the world they've basically publicly said that they don't want people to have any form of freedom and that people won't commit crimes anymore when there is genuinely no such thing as privacy because any government in the world would instantaneously know if anyone did anything out of line.

30:43Linus Sebastian:Like they are not good and I think it's going to be very very difficult for people to look at this thing that is making a massive positive impact um 886 lives having the deaths and reducing hospital stays for a common and major issue by 30 are not things that anyone can balk at those are very serious numbers those are exciting things i mean anytime you talk difficult to deny even to

31:22Luke Lafreniere:an ai skeptic you know one of the first things they'll say is like yeah when they when they announced this stuff they promised it was going to revolutionize medicine if that's what it was doing then i would be fine with it like pretty much everyone i talked to who's like anti-ai is like okay but if it was this then it would be fine it's just that unfortunately you've got companies like palantir that are doing that stuff where we're saving human lives which seems like a pretty useful and noble endeavor for ai but also using it as a means to collect that data to pursue a lot less comforting future outcomes um

32:14Luke Lafreniere:yeah so i think that could be one of the things back to our discussion question preventing other hospitals from deploying this same technology i also think like you wouldn't

32:26Linus Sebastian:really have a choice um a lot of times depending on how bad your condition is you just literally have to go to the closest hospital um i've heard some weird stuff about the american medical system where like you're out of your insurance capture zone or something so you have to get driven further something something i don't know i'm a canadian our health care system does not work that way um but like uh this stuff's just gonna be running like i i i doubt you're you know

33:03Linus Sebastian:there's there's a lot of systems built around health care and end of life where like the funeral business is incredibly lucrative because when someone passes,

33:16Luke Lafreniere:you don't want to seem like a cheapskate.

33:19Linus Sebastian:Yeah. People are very unlikely to say no to upsells. So the industry makes a lot of money. The healthcare industry is very similar. There is a ton of money that goes into, especially near end of life, because if someone closely related to you is suffering, you are very unlikely to say no to upgrades in care. This is one of those situations where it's like, are you okay with the health records, lab results, clinician notes, bedside monitor access, and probably tons of other things being mass data harvested from your loved one? Oh, also, they might not die if you click this checkbox. A lot of people are going to click the checkbox.

34:05Linus Sebastian:I would wager pretty much everyone But then that also does lead to The super dystopian futures That specifically Palantir Has been saying they want to create

34:20Luke Lafreniere:Yvonne keeps asking me what I want For my funeral and I'm like I'm dead To do whatever makes you happy I couldn't possibly care Monetize it, I don't know charge admission I'm sure there's at least someone who'd want to see me dead they'll show up farewell farewell inferior tech Linus

34:48Linus Sebastian:charge admission oh my god

34:52Luke Lafreniere:I mean you've heard me say that if you guys catch it on camera you have to monetize it right

34:58Linus Sebastian:I have I was actually I was talking to someone about that surprisingly recently and I

35:09Linus Sebastian:I was like, you know, he said that before. I don't know if he still feels that way or not. Oh, yeah, do it. I guess you do. Do it.

35:15Luke Lafreniere:I mean, everyone's got to get their severance and everything if for whatever reason we can't keep going without me, right? You got to milk it. Milk it as good as you can, as long as you can, and then when it's over, it's over. And it was a wonderful ride while it lasted.

35:31Linus Sebastian:Man, okay, sorry. Katsune Lane in Full Plane Chat said Luke's dedication to Linus is a WAN show delivered live from beside his coffin that would be so depressing because it would be so long open casket I hope I'd have to sit there open casket for like four hours oh my god

35:58Luke Lafreniere:here practice

36:04Luke Lafreniere:I can't even hold on one second

36:11Luke Lafreniere:How long could we keep the streak alive? I mean, would you bring my ashes and put them next to you? You and Dan can just do the WAN show and just put me on the shelf Live from the Urn show

36:29Luke Lafreniere:it's just deep red

36:31Linus Sebastian:the sponsor spots can just go to like an urn camera

36:37Luke Lafreniere:we could uh we could make the lid go up and down like the canadians on south park if anybody sends if anybody sends a comment that's a direct question for me you could just like you could just cut to my camera and then and then just leave it there for a bit and then cut back and keep going awkward silence the one thing the one place i draw the line though is no llm resurrection of me i am one of the people on earth who would be relatively easy to to llm in honestly a pretty accurate fashion but i don't consent to that i don't approve of that um so i'll just on the urn camera i'll just

37:23Linus Sebastian:have to like flap the lid of the urn to pretend you're talking and just yeah you have to puppeteer it you can even do the voice okay yeah yeah i'm fine with that i'm fine with that i don't know who outside of dbrand would accept those ad spots i mean dbrand would do it if dbrand's still around

37:44Luke Lafreniere:they would do it. Yeah. I can find out.

37:50Linus Sebastian:Also, laughing about flapping your urn. I'm in a rather public place just so viewers of the show know. I'm at Lihua Hong. I've featured this place a couple times. There was one time somewhere around 10 years ago in the Destin Internet Cafes video that I featured this place and then there was also a short a little while ago but I needed a good internet connection so I was like we were having some issues with hotels and their internet connections so we just decided to do the show from here and people can definitely hear me

38:33Luke Lafreniere:nice hold on my rep's typing there's a robot typing I said you would sponsor wrapping my urn, right? Yeah, I'll schedule it too. Classic. Yeah.

38:51Linus Sebastian:Not surprised.

38:53Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, that checks out. I mean, they've tried to kill me enough times sending me packages full of broken glass and whatnot.

39:01Linus Sebastian:Maybe that's why. They're just annoyed they haven't been able to do that type of an ad spot yet. They've been waiting for so long.

39:09Luke Lafreniere:Oh, man. Alright, we should probably jump into our next topic here uh this is on the surface kind of cool you can apparently just tell your instagram algorithm what you want now instagram is expanding it's your algorithm feature to the main feed letting you directly tell the app what you want to see it shows you a list of topics instagram thinks you're interested in based on your activity and you can add topics that you want or remove ones that you don't. Changes will carry across Reels, Explore, and now the main feed since it's all one system. It started in the US and is rolling out globally in English.

39:51Luke Lafreniere:Instagram head Adam Missouri framed this as fixing a one-sided relationship. The system learns from what you tap and watch, but you've never been able to just tell it what you want. He credits large language models for making it possible since older ranking systems ran on data that no human could read, while LLMs can now sort content into plain language topics. For now, it is limited to topics, but Instagram says that controls for specific people, moods, and content types are coming.

40:27Luke Lafreniere:I mean, I think it's a good thing. It seems like what it always should have had the ability to do. I recognize the, I guess, the challenges around metadata and tagging and how manual something like that could be. I can see how LLMs could help with that. But also, I mean, we've spent 90 % of the show so far talking about how fundamentally flawed they are and how often they make mistakes. uh this is i

41:04Linus Sebastian:hmm this will be abusable i don't know if there will be a reward in abusing it but this feels like the it is going to be susceptible to like spider-man and elsa style issues for people that understand that reference kids youtube years ago was taken over by some really weird content of people like cosplaying as Spider-Man and Elsa and other characters and doing some weird stuff that you wouldn't really expect to be on the kids' side of YouTube. But it got there because of the framing of the video. And I could imagine that something similar could happen in this type of system. I think the reward is...

41:50Luke Lafreniere:I mean, the reward of Spider-Man and Elsa was always... In AdSense? Well, I guess, yeah, AdSense. So maybe, yeah, more reward than for just getting views on Instagram. But there's also the reward of just getting clout and building up followers on Instagram. Social media accounts are worth money. Yeah. And especially, you know, with automation tools, the ability to create accounts to abuse these systems, to grow to some threshold, to then be farmed off to scammers who need plausible-looking Instagram accounts, whatever the model is. I often find myself very surprised by the things that scammers will come up with.

42:36Luke Lafreniere:There was that recent one where there was that warehouse of consoles that was farming FIFA card packs or something. I can't remember the exact details of it. I'm not a FIFA guy. Dan, do you remember? Oh, okay. I just assumed you were into football, being an English person and all of that. Oh, cricket. Wow. Like a normal person. Got it. That makes sense. I don't go inside.

42:59Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I remember that topic. I don't remember the specific details. I think it was like farming throwaway matches, basically, in order to get pack openings, like free generating pack openings. I don't know why that benefits them or anything, but yeah. it's interesting I can't necessarily imagine how you would abuse this it just feels to me how an LLM would view this content is probably abusable in some way I don't know to what end but it feels like it probably would be I also don't know like what kind of they're even saying you can sort by moods which is interesting so like is it doing the Linus maneuver and is it reading the comments so could you manipulate this setup by convincing your audience somehow to all comment in a particular way I don't know this almost feels like something like Spiffing Britt should dive into although he seems to just do YouTube stuff yeah but it'd be interesting I mean I like the idea of being able to more manually control our feeds i i also respect linus's dedication to keeping his facebook marketplace weird as heck um but i i be if i could just tell facebook marketplace that i want it to show me

44:22Luke Lafreniere:weird things that would also be nice um yeah like one thing i think this is good one thing i've wanted from youtube for a long time is the ability to tell them what my video is about a little bit because they can mostly figure that out on their own. But what I really want is to tell them who it's for. Because remember way back when you made... Here, I'm actually just going to pull up the video. Come on. Here, this one. I might be able to imagine. Oh, for crying out loud. This one right here. Installing a video card. How-to basics on Linus Tech Tips. 10 years ago this video got absolutely dogpiled out of the gate hated it people were like actually pissed when it launched so angry and and and it there was momentum around it because that was back when the like dislike ratio was visible publicly yeah so people it was very negative saw that people hated it and then they piled onto it even more and it created this like like death spiral of hatred and negativity around this video.

45:37Luke Lafreniere:And if you actually just, you know, watch the video, you don't say anything wrong. Hold on. Is it?

45:48Linus Sebastian:Yeah, it was, people hated it just because it was beneath most of the average viewers of LTT. At the time. Yeah, it was one that the information was incorrect. It's just that they were like, it's a graphics card, bruh. Yeah. You just put it in, bruh. But I'm pretty sure we included things like DDUing your drivers and stuff like that. I think it was decently presented at the time. No, you did a very good job. It was lambasted because it hit the wrong audience, like you're kind of saying.

46:19Luke Lafreniere:Exactly. So what I've been asking YouTube for is the ability. Because what's happened is our channel has kind of Michael Bayed itself. because we can't just make a video on installing a cpu anymore because what's going to happen is it you've bumped your mic careful uh what's going to happen is it's going to jump into the feed of everyone from someone who subscribed to ltt yesterday to someone who subscribed to ltt 17 years ago, and these folks, your regular viewers, are going to feel like patronized, and they're going to feel like this is a complete and utter waste of time. And what tends to happen is, algorithmically, YouTube will kind of go, well, your channel is about, you know, X, and the people who are interested in X don't like this, therefore this is probably bad content.

47:19Luke Lafreniere:But what I would actually really like is the ability to tell youtube hey this video is not for my regulars

47:28Linus Sebastian:this is not this was a new viewers like only basically yeah and i'm okay with that resulting in it potentially doing worse especially out of the gate but i don't want it to massively negatively affect the long-term potential of the video by it nuking a bunch of potential views on people who would never click on it because like if you know if someone's in float plane chat or or they've just been you know i i'll meet people at events all the time that are like i've been watching since the ncix days like bro you know how to install a gpu exactly like it's you don't you don't need this um the the vast majority of people who have watched more than you know one to three ltt videos or or realistically any other uh computer hardware tech videos on youtube isn't going to need a video on how to install a GPU.

48:19Linus Sebastian:But that doesn't mean that a bunch of people don't need that. So here's another great example. What's the first time you've ever built a computer? If you just spent a bunch of money on hardware and you want to build a computer for the first time and you don't have an in-person mentor, you want to make sure that you don't ruin this incredibly expensive component as you put it into your computer. You might want to watch a little video on how to install it.

48:40Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, and so we wanted, this was, that was supposed to be a series. That's why the title is appended with this how to basics. I had in my mind that I wanted to create three sort of series of like to really get back down to tech tips and do like how to basics, which was kind of a like a play on how to basic, which was like kind of a viral thing at the time. And then I wanted how to intermediate and like how to advanced. So we would do these tutorials on everything from installing a graphics card to reconfiguring ports on your router to setting up a NAS with multiple tiers of high-speed and low-speed storage.

49:25Luke Lafreniere:And we'd kind of segment them out and just create these very evergreen guides. Sorry. The reception to it was so negative that we did a couple of them. And we kind of went, well, holy crap, we can't do this. And then ultimately, years later, that like-dislike ratio actually totally turned around. And the video now has 2.3 million views. But that's not nearly as many as it probably would have if it hadn't had its growth stunted right at the beginning there.

49:57Linus Sebastian:Yeah, you know what's kind of interesting is I've heard that the youngins these days, to go back to a previous topic actually also hate Google Search now. Google Search just sucks these days. The results are terrible and the AI search is worse than the auto stuff that they had in the past. Google Search is just going completely down the hole. But a lot of the youngins are using TikTok for search which hurt my brain a lot when I first heard it. but apparently it's because they're they're using it in the way that a lot of us probably use YouTube which is where we we look up like you know how do I fix my washing machine or whatever yeah here's a weird question someone in someone in chat said that you can Instagram has like a trials feature where it won't send it to your subscribers or something i lost the message uh andrew candy instagram can kind of do this with trial reels it doesn't send them to your followers i don't know exactly how that works but maybe the how-to basics series with a different name not sure could return but in shorts format i could see potential there's card but the the shorts version how to install ram but the shorts version it can also even work in long form though

51:24Luke Lafreniere:i'd here dan i'm just gonna see if my laptop is working oh yeah there we go so i'm on my uh i'm on my daily driver here so i'm logged in so here's an example of one that kind of shows how bad this can be uh so we we we uploaded uh like just building a pc you know just a build for the first time in like ages so first day performance of this video was 458 000 literally half of the upper end of our typical range like absolute bombed out of the gate and then eventually the algorithm figured out oh okay yeah oh this is a high quality video that just the subscribers to this channel were not interested in now it's more than double the high end of your typical range and just you know daily as the english-speaking world awakens and sleeps and awakens again it just gets views um but it would be really but it doesn't always work out that way so right the other one that i was going to pull up was riley did a thousand dollar gaming pc so here we'll go back to linus laptop this one also bombed out of the gate in spite of the very likable super riley and then never found that audience and you know what maybe we just you know maybe just didn't you know work maybe a thousand dollar guide was not as good as a two thousand dollar guide whatever i don't know the exact answer to why one of them went and one of them didn't.

53:09Luke Lafreniere:But I've been telling Google for years, I would just love to be able to just tell you. I can tell you, I know who it's for. And as a variety channel, it's something that we've struggled with our entire existence. And I think we struggle with more and more now, where one video on our channel one day is touring a data center and then the next day is like tearing down the walls of the tech house so that we can run conduit and and low voltage wiring and then the next day is a review of a steam controller like we're all over the place and i have i have noticed that algorithmically they just don't know what to do with us compared to a channel that is more more predictable uh like even within the tech niche there's other channels that are more predictable in terms of their their tone from one video to the next and i'd love to be able to just say hey this is for people that are super into biohacking or you know this is for people who are really into you know enterprise hardware you know whatever right but i can't yeah now there's breaking anthropic news by the way that we should probably acknowledge because chat is exploding.

54:32Linus Sebastian:I'm working on that literally right now.

54:36Luke Lafreniere:Basically, they issued a statement.

54:39Linus Sebastian:The U.S. government shut them down.

54:43Luke Lafreniere:Statement on the U.S. government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5. Yeah. Citing national security authorities, the U.S. government has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any foreign national, even those inside the United States, including anthropic employees.

55:16Linus Sebastian:This feels like...

55:19Luke Lafreniere:To ensure compliance, they have just turned Fable 5 and Mythos 5 off for everyone. This just happened.

55:30Linus Sebastian:Dan pointed this out in full-plane chat, but this is probably the best marketing anyone on the entire planet could have asked for. But I actually think this might be, hilariously, the whole marketing angle might not be the goal that the US government wanted because I suspect they are still in a bit of a tiff over when Anthropik stood up to them a little while ago. And with the IPOs coming soon, I suspect this might have been an attempt to hold them back, actually. But I think just like last time, this is ultimately going to be just like an insane marketing move promoting the absolute heck out of Anthropic.

56:19Linus Sebastian:The including internal employees thing is wild. We had Conrad, the guy who makes LCT Store in regards to development, was in chat earlier saying he used Fable 5 personally. I don't want to misquote, I don't know exactly what he said, but he said very positive things about it. Very interesting. Honestly, the Frontier models that are coming out right now are pretty nuts.

56:53Yeah.

56:54Linus Sebastian:Macri squared and full plane chat said, not me currently using fable five to rewrite a whole platform. Yeah. Wild, wild, wild, wild in, in before us citizens start reselling their, their access to fable five to foreign nationals. Yeah.

57:17Luke Lafreniere:If only there was, if only there was some technology, that could make it so that you could appear as though you were in a different region than you were. If only there was some way to pay for things with a U.S. bank-issued payment method. I don't know how they could possibly hope to enforce this once they actually do re-enable Fable 5.

57:43Linus Sebastian:Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I don't think it's going to be as simple as a VPN, which is why they actually shut it down.

57:49Luke Lafreniere:No, but you'll need, but it won't, someone will overcome it. This ain't going to be impossible to overcome, no matter what.

57:57Linus Sebastian:At the very least, I suspect it's going to be people individually reselling API key usage somehow. But it's, yeah. Wild, wild, wild, wild. Verified US ID requirements incoming? Maybe, yeah.

58:13Luke Lafreniere:Okay, I'm not going to say who said this, but somebody said i got a notice on a litigation hold on all communications about anthropic m dod employee i mean i think you mean dow um but yeah for now dod i've i've heard i've heard

58:32Linus Sebastian:the department of war thing isn't official they just call it that no but it's it like went looking

58:41Luke Lafreniere:like probably official today or yesterday or something yeah got it got it got it got it um

58:48Linus Sebastian:i i don't i don't know what's going on with that but i thought that was kind of funny has to be approved by congress okay yeah yeah um yeah wild situation absolutely wild situation i i think like um i don't know if we've talked about our land show or not um but but pewdiepie's video on Odysseus. Yeah. It's, you know, we've talked about PewDiePie a few times over the years on Wancho. This is not one of the ways that I expected to be talking about PewDiePie, but he has been doing incredible things when it comes to locally hosted AI and agentic stuff. And his video on Odysseus, his project, which he has open sourced, has 3 million views now.

59:36Linus Sebastian:and you know we talked about this last show but uh you know local models are not are not necessarily you know brushing shoulders with these frontier models um no but they're very useful but they are very useful and i really think the in the same way that with with the whole operating system debate right now my solution is to very happily just dual boot on both of my systems I'm dual booting on my laptop I'm dual booting on my desktop and I'm very happy I think the like prime solution for me at least is gonna be using both saving your API costs on something big and heavy and powerful like fable 5 or any other like crazy frontier model because you know in two weeks it'll probably be something else that's in the lead and then for most of your honestly probably most of your work but it really depends on who you are and what you're doing um you can use local models in order to for just like you're you're just dumb bullshit like

1:00:43Luke Lafreniere:what's the what's the weather gonna be tomorrow just to interact with you know your your diy google home that doesn't actually communicate with google servers uh like that that cute little robot thing that uh nick harris from the lab had in his amd ultimate tech upgrade like paying for tokens to run something like that to turn your lights on and off is great would be crazy and there's no need to yeah and you yeah you just don't need to because a local model can handle the voice to text can can can handle the natural language interaction just fine today uh there was

1:01:20Linus Sebastian:that guy in chat who said they were they were using uh fable to rewrite an entire system and

1:01:27Luke Lafreniere:it's like okay yeah you're not doing that on your rtx 3070 uh yeah okay sure um you you can you can

1:01:35Linus Sebastian:do quite a bit with local models and it might do pretty well yeah atomica says quen 3.6 is

1:01:41Luke Lafreniere:phenomenal and that happens to be uh that was actually one of the first things that nick harris asked when we were meeting with nvidia at computex was okay neat impressive demo what are you guys using and quen 3.6 came up like immediately uh it seems like it's just basically beloved right now for anyone who wants to run local ai

1:02:09Linus Sebastian:yeah it's uh there's a lot of different things if you're if you're scared of running stuff again i i would highly recommend watching the pewdiepie video but he talks about a a part of the odysseus system called cookbook uh where it helps inform you based on your system hardware uh what what you can run so if you're like what the heck is a what the heck is a quen um it can it can kind of handle those portions for you or at least majorly simplify it but yeah the the local hosting stuff is was incredibly interesting and is now taking a massive leap forward in how interesting it is and the frontier models keep being mind-bogglingly insane um and it's it's quite quite the time for uh terrible things to happen um yeah anyways topic move on oh uh no it's time for us to do

1:03:04Luke Lafreniere:our creator warehouse announcements this week we are launching a pretty fun one i am legitimately super excited about this one okay hold on hold on it's time to hopefully not have a classic wansho nip slip here okay oh shoot i still have my mic on uh okay first up is the map of siberia t-shirt it is a fully hand illustrated fantasy map where someone replaced all the kingdoms with things like the great firewall isle of wren and the cryptocurrency get it cryptocurrency that's pretty good hold on hold on i'm gonna go to the uh to the linus cam uh this has got to be oh man you guys can't okay you know what i'm just gonna have to i'm just gonna have to pull it up on the site um uh yeah i'll bring it up on the site i'll bring it up on the site uh i i have to give lisa from the cw team like the vast majority of the credit on this one this she spearheaded this and just oh i don't know when it happened but she just like figured out our vibe as a company our audience at some point pirate bay and it culminated or maybe she's still cooking maybe she hasn't reached the peak yet but oh my god the leg access point you have got to be kidding me that is the funniest shit

1:04:54Linus Sebastian:control plus c is really good I like that one yeah

1:04:58Luke Lafreniere:the poisoned cache port 80 network bridge of course this had to be there this is

1:05:08Linus Sebastian:this is quite informed actually right the bits that's cool the bites i asked her i was like are do the bites have exactly eight

1:05:21Luke Lafreniere:times the land mass of the bits and she was like don't overthink it i'm like okay all right fair

1:05:26Linus Sebastian:fair enough lisa all right all right hold on a second i got the data mine 27 032

1:05:34Luke Lafreniere:oh interesting interesting don't don't don't worry about it don't worry about it absolutely absolutely incredible design super cool are these up right now yeah

1:05:48Linus Sebastian:I didn't see a link in the doc

1:05:50Luke Lafreniere:map of Siberia t-shirt available now in regular and tall so make sure you guys are getting in there oh we don't have a lot of tall units in the XXLs XXLs and XXXLs at least on the global site and great photo shoot as always is this has to be Tynan. There's no way this isn't Tynan. It's Tynan. No, it's Dan. That's me. Did you borrow Tynan? Okay, this one's Tynan. The one's outsider Tynan, yeah. Okay. Amazing. I know he's into that stuff. I didn't know you were. Did you borrow his stuff? It was actually somebody else's stuff. Oh, really? There was some other guy who lent us a set of armor. Oh, that's super cool.

1:06:33Luke Lafreniere:Hold on one sec.

1:06:34Linus Sebastian:Am I getting this correctly? the olive one has the large map on the front but the black one has the small logo on the front the

1:06:42Luke Lafreniere:large map on the back yeah so we couldn't decide uh we couldn't decide whether to do olive or black or the here if i switch over to the black you'll see this one has the map on the back and then it has the uh just the cloud kingdom on the front so we kind of tried both and we'll kind of see what people are more into i'm not going to spoil anything by saying who thought which way but they're they're both really cool designs and i'm so interested how the sales of this go i i'm so

1:07:18Linus Sebastian:interested because i've always personally like i i think this shirt is wicked i'm going to try if there isn't one sitting there for me already i'm going to try to get the the black one and XL tall but um the reason why I'm gonna get the black one is because I always love the um the small logo over the heart with is that is that my size sorry it's a medium darn it uh I always really like the small logo over the heart and then the big thing on the back of the shirt yeah that's always my favorite shirt design um but I'm wondering like

1:07:58Luke Lafreniere:is that is that just a me thing or is that no it's a lot of people thing but we also felt that the way that this design doesn't pop as like okay here no i agree that is a good point like this is a lot to wear on the front this is actually not as much yeah no i i agree it's very interesting yeah and it's also not like a huge logo um if it was a massive like your entire torso linus tech

1:08:30Linus Sebastian:tips logo yeah that would probably kind of suck but instead it's like a cool design full of fun little easter eggs and stuff like it's and there's the you know there's the the shirt that must not be named uh that doesn't exist anymore um which one that had a big logo on the front sleep is for

1:08:47Luke Lafreniere:p***ies?

1:08:48Linus Sebastian:No. It was released very recently and then taken away. Oh, that one. Yeah. That had a big logo on the front and that looked really sick as well. So, like, it's obviously not a hard and fast rule. Yeah. So, I am interested because, just like you said, on the Olive one, it kind of works.

1:09:09Luke Lafreniere:Well, one that I do have an XLTOL here for you is this one was our best... See, that also works this was our best-selling t-shirt in a long time um it's really not a hard and fast rule it's

1:09:22Linus Sebastian:just like a generalization that i prefer that setup but like i wouldn't that pirate one if you just had a little parrot it's not showing up in camera if you just had a little parrot here yeah and then the back said that i don't think that would be better no i don't think that one would

1:09:38Luke Lafreniere:quite work so this is like we're kind of depends we've been kind of trying to find our stride um on like the t-shirt designs over the last little while. Like I think we had, I don't want to get too deep into like sort of the internal stuff, but you guys might've noticed that whether it's sourcing the blanks or whether it's having designs ready or whether it's having both of those things at the same time, um we we haven't really focused on t-shirts for like a couple of years at this point whereas it used to be that like every other freaking wanshow we were announcing another t-shirt and t-shirts were like a big part of ltt store and then for a long time they basically haven't been but um i think over this last couple like i obviously haven't seen any sales figures for this one yet but i love it uh the design team freaking loves it like we love it so we're really confident in it but as you can see we're still kind of mixing it up in terms of okay do we do little thing on the front big thing on the back big thing on the front like what's the you know what's our what's our current meta gonna be so we're gonna we're gonna let you guys yeah ultimately decide that

1:10:54Linus Sebastian:it's very interesting it's i i'm i'm specifically interested in the sales of this one with my little I like the small logo thing because I think this one is a strong example of the big image on the front being cool. So it's like a good test.

1:11:13Luke Lafreniere:Both are cool. But wait, there's more. Where is it? There's also, oh, our new arrivals could probably stand to be cleaned out a little bit. Whoops.

1:11:25Linus Sebastian:The desk pad, is that what you're talking about?

1:11:26Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. So there's also a desk pad how fun is that available in three different sizes 900 mil by 400 mil 300 mil or 600 mil depending on your preference all the same price as you've come to expect from ltt store hello from ltt store it also looks extremely striking great quality printing got this here map of siberia desk pad oh it's luke is there oh yeah there you go freaking awesome and of course nice high quality desk pad natural rubber stitched etches etc etc stitch etches stitched edges what you would expect from us man they've been having way too much fun at these photo shoots lately and that's a good thing one of what

1:12:23oh really unless it's not on there i didn't see that one sorry dan i didn't see it anyway those

1:12:31Luke Lafreniere:are our new launches for this week and you can check them out at lmg.gg slash siberia which is spelled like cyber and then i a um and it's a perfect time to pick one up because we're live which means that you can send a com. Ah, we might need to change the name again. Well, whatever. For now, they're called checkout messages, coms, and the way that they work is all you got to do is fire up LTT store, add something that catches your eye to your cart, boop-de-boop, view your cart, and in the checkout, you can type up a message. It'll go to producer Dan. There he is, who will respond to it or just like pop it up on the stream if it's just like a shout out for someone, or he will curate it for me and Luke to respond to.

1:13:21Luke Lafreniere:Dan, do you want to hit us with a couple of comms? Sure thing. Linus, your 40th level is coming up. Do you plan on celebrating it in a special way? How about writing a biography or even an autobiography? I'd read a success story. Also, more non-black t-shirts, please. um i'm flattered but i am not planning to write an autobiography i i started making notes like a couple times for something like that and then i just have not had the time to do it slash

1:14:01Luke Lafreniere:i don't know i don't maybe maybe i've just been maybe i've just not fought about it the right way because I was really surprised when I found out that someone as private as Linus Torvalds had written an autobiography. And when I asked him about it, he basically was just like, well, try anything once, including write an autobiography, apparently. Because he's a really modest guy, and that didn't really, he's a really modest, really private guy. And that didn't really align with write an autobiography. but the writer actually talks about this in the autobiography um or i guess it's not really an autobiography but it's like it's got a lot of autobiographical elements but also a lot of observations from the author it's kind of like a mishmash of both um and the writer actually talks about the process by which he convinced torvalds to do it um so maybe i don't know maybe i just haven't heard the right pitch from a ghostwriter i also just don't think i'd be comfortable with a ghostwriter writing it i feel like i should write my own thing i literally people ask me like what do you do and more than anything else i think more than a host um i i think my greatest contribution to ltt is is writing uh i don't think people realize how much of what is done at linus media group has been touched at some point by my pen um not all of it it's all of it it's not every single mistake it's all linus thank you for that even if it's

1:15:33Linus Sebastian:a labs article that doesn't have him credited if there's a mistake and it was linus if there's

1:15:37Luke Lafreniere:not a mistake and it was someone else all right anyways uh did i answer the question i don't remember and i i'm having a hard time logging into the dashboard no i think that's probably good enough all right cool good chat hey dll what's the most recent book you've read or are

1:15:57Linus Sebastian:currently reading oh oh um what did i pick up i'm trying to remember i read breakfast with maury

1:16:07Luke Lafreniere:a little while ago but that was a while ago i think i read something more recently than that i'm a second here i've i've reverted to my teenage state and i've been uh i've been reading old Foxtrot collections during my midnight snack breakfast cereal lately. That's been fun. I love Foxtrot. I actually had no idea he still publishes Sunday Strips online. Shout out Bill Amend.

1:16:40Linus Sebastian:There's no way to go sort by recent. My goodness.

1:16:49Linus Sebastian:I will find it. Give me a second.

1:16:51Luke Lafreniere:He's looking up... Dan, in the meantime, read any good books lately? I've still got most of the prints to finish off.

1:17:03Linus Sebastian:What?

1:17:03Luke Lafreniere:I read it back in college, and it was brutal, and it's still brutal. It reminds me a lot of the world right now. Have you read it, Linus? No, I haven't. You can have my other copy if you want. It's bad. It's hard. It's hard to read. Huh. What a sales pitch. It should be written, I think, by a lot of people. Okay, that's a better pitch. You should lead with that. The Prince is good.

1:17:37Linus Sebastian:Holy crap. You know what, Linus? I can give you something fun. Oh, there it is. Tough and Competent by Eugene F. Kranz.

1:17:47Luke Lafreniere:Tough and Competent.

1:17:48Linus Sebastian:is that is that your autobiography no but thank you um yeah uh gene kranz was uh the second uh chief flight director for nasa he looks tough and competent yeah yeah yeah um but i i haven't actually started it uh but i have it and i'm excited that's the first step one small step for luke's reading list yeah um but okay this is okay i guess is that that question done i'm excited to show you something and i keep trying to jump to it and then realizing that i'm skipping the topic we're currently on sorry um this is not an ad i don't know if these guys have ever sponsored us or not so my bad if they have i don't know whatever but um and i can't send you a link to this super easily but if you just want to google it you've probably already seen it but um 8-bit dough ultimate three mode controller xbox they have a 8-bit dough xbox controller that

1:18:59Luke Lafreniere:is translucent green have you seen this uh i thought you would like it that three mode oh nice

1:19:07Linus Sebastian:that looks sick yeah yeah it's really interesting there's a bunch of i i don't know if everyone just had the same thought at the same time or what but there's a bunch of translucent products coming out you can see in the background there they have a keyboard um they have an 85 keyboard and a separate 10 key which i think is super cool those buttons tend to come with their keyboard um so i'm assuming that's the case here as well and then they also have the mouse then they also have the uh the xbox controller it's a sick lineup of hardware actually that looks amazing

1:19:40Luke Lafreniere:officially licensed by xbox really awesome supported by apple man 8-bit dough has just been

1:19:46Linus Sebastian:i believe they're hollow sweat hall effect joysticks or or or something um i lost the

1:19:54Luke Lafreniere:hall effect joysticks yep yeah and the triggers are all effect linear

1:19:59Linus Sebastian:oh nice okay the triggers i wasn't sure but i was trying to find that cool yeah um and there's a switch on the back to switch which kind of device you're connecting it to and stuff this looks wicked um i i just i i don't know i'm just so stoked on translucent products coming out um i think it's awesome i love i'm so happy that it seems like we're exiting an era of everything just being either all black or all white um i'm so happy that some color is entering products again and that translucent and seeing the interesting things inside the product is becoming a thing again i just think it's so sick oh dude i um okay i had a similar experience today uh i was working on the

1:20:44Luke Lafreniere:ltt for uh sony sent over their 115 inch true rgb tv so it's uh it's over in the theater room right now i i had to leave for wan show so i didn't actually get to see it fire up and watch content on it i have to do that on monday i have to wait the whole weekend before yeah anyway that's not the point the point is i was looking at the remote and it's a black remote and i was like of course it's a black no wait it no no it doesn't it has it had little uh like teal like flex in the plastic like do you remember our uh like our rgb shirts how they had those little like like uh like those little color tufts in them yeah yeah it was cut it was all one color but it was kind of like that like it just had little color flex in it and i was like how fun is that and how hard was that you know to bring back a little bit of color in our lives i just i thought it was really cool i thought

1:21:48Linus Sebastian:it was a nice little touch yeah i i think that might actually be um a double benefit because i believe that's often an appearance that comes from recycled plastic yeah um so it could be a recycled plastic it looks great oh i think it looks fantastic i think it looks fantastic also i didn't know this was a thing but just to to be you know fair um and i'm doing a terrible job with tracking names today by east one um or east east own um posted in flow plane chat xbox is also releasing their own translucent green xbox controller if you look up the xbox 25th anniversary they have an xbox wireless controller x25 special edition and it's a translucent translucent green xbox controller um i'm a little confused about some of the messaging that i hear

1:22:43Luke Lafreniere:coming out of Xbox right now. Like on the one hand, they need to rejuvenate their hardware business. But then on the other hand, they're saying things like how many Xboxes they sell is gated by like production capacity, not by like demand. I just, I'm having a really hard time reconciling that. I'm also, I am also recognizing that a lot of Xbox fans are rooting for exclusives, but I can't help but feel like if they go full exclusive and they don't come to PC that we are like we're sitting here demanding reverse progress that is actually regression um as someone who has never bought an Xbox and who probably will never bother to game on an Xbox um making games not available for me to purchase on PC is something that I'm going to have a hard

1:23:36Linus Sebastian:time rooting for the xbox install base being as it is games being exclusive might just mean

1:23:43Luke Lafreniere:their death yeah but i also understand that like there's it's a chicken and egg problem because you're not going to get an install base unless you give people a reason to buy the console and it sure as heck isn't going to be the xbox first party controller like what's it going to be i

1:24:03Linus Sebastian:like it's gonna be gears six either um or or whatever i mean you weren't really like a gears kid though right not really but i feel i feel like oh is this hot is this uh here it comes here comes i feel like gears always played second fiddle to halo well yeah i don't think that's a hot take at all sir and i don't feel like either series is hot right now so what uh halo infinite the second and gears six like i don't know uh whatever whatever that thing they're doing is with uh the the first halo they're recreating the new remastering missions so yeah um so i don't think

1:24:52Luke Lafreniere:that's going to sell consoles either i was chatting with poof about it actually right before the show and he was like super bearish on it and then just saw the latest updates and he was like yeah i'm psyched now i haven't actually i haven't seen it but apparently it looks great like visually but then also didn't they have one of the old bungee guys come out and pretty much say like yeah it looks great but it doesn't look like halo combat evolved so i'm paraphrasing i'm basically an ai right now disclaimer what i said might not be attributable to anyone i'm basically an ai right now is a hilarious line um the three new missions is interesting and stuff don't trust me bro

1:25:41Linus Sebastian:all i'm saying i'm not saying it doesn't look interesting all i'm saying is i don't know if it's a console seller um i don't know what microsoft has right now that would be a console seller people really like forza horizon 6 okay yeah i mean that's fair japan which has been a location that people have been looking for in forza horizon for a long time so they just dropped their like ace up their sleeve before it could be an exclusive um i just spent you know days driving switchbacks in taiwan they could do one in taiwan but i i don't think that's going to be as big of a draw as japan is for car culture obviously um

1:26:32i don't know i don't know what game microsoft has up their sleeve oh yeah i do okay

1:26:42Linus Sebastian:I mean if some new Xbox launches and soon after the launch Elder Scrolls 6 comes out and it's exclusive to consoles that'll move some consoles

1:26:53Luke Lafreniere:that'll move some consoles well assuming it's not a complete dumpster fire I think it'll still move some consoles

1:27:01Linus Sebastian:honestly it's just a question of how many sir yeah totally yeah exactly don't curse us like that yeah sorry that's a good point but sorry um happy eighth birthday to the trailer of es6 i didn't believe that trailer for so long i thought it was fake i thought it was a fan edit uh i didn't watch that game show whatever one it was announced in so when i saw it go on youtube i i legitimately thought it was just like a fan edit um and didn't believe it for so long and then people were talking about it like I think years later and I was like wait what that was real um that was wild I can't believe that I still can't believe they did that um yeah I I don't think oh man I I'm kind of strongly of the opinion that it's been it's been downhill since Morrowind um but the peak of Morrowind was so high that the slope was still really really good um but like fallout 4 even compared to skyrim even compared to oblivion i think was like a continual down fallout 4 was still really fun it was a great game but it felt like the worst one out of those i feel like as someone who came

1:28:20Luke Lafreniere:into the series on oblivion it's tough and then tried to play morrowind because oblivion was so great and i wanted more you can't go back you you have to look at morrowind in the time capsule of

1:28:33Linus Sebastian:when it was released sure um i'm not i'm not suggesting you go back and play it now but when it was released morrowind was an insane game like there was there was nothing like it um it was wild um and the the the way that i'm describing this like downward slope is basically like um like the weapon systems were reduced for oblivion the the you'd be you might be surprised having played oblivion but the magic system was was reduced for oblivion um things just got simpler and simpler and simpler uh oblivion was a fantastic game i think i think in a lot of respects you can say it was better than morrowind but um yeah under understanding the climate in which Morrowind released.

1:29:18Linus Sebastian:I still think Morrowind's better, if that makes sense. Anyways. And Skyrim was a massive simplification of things as well. I don't know. I can understand people might not agree with that argument, but I do think especially beyond Skyrim, Fallout 4 and Fallout 76 I think is what it's called. and Starfield and some of the mobile games that they did and things like that. It's been... I don't know. I still don't think Elder Scrolls 6 and I talked big game about how I thought Starfield was going to be great, so hey, maybe I'm going to be terribly wrong again. But I still don't think...

1:30:07Luke Lafreniere:Can you still call yourself a Bethesda fan? Hmm.

1:30:15Luke Lafreniere:do you can you be fully rational and logical about bethesda or will you still have naive hope in spite of all evidence from the last 10 years because i think that's the line right is

1:30:31Linus Sebastian:that's tough though because like i did enjoy fallout 4 um i thought it was a lot weaker than new vegas and i thought it was weaker than three again so note that i said 10 years.

1:30:45Luke Lafreniere:Luke, I said 10 years.

1:30:46Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I'm trying to remember.

1:30:47Luke Lafreniere:Fallout 4 came out 11 years ago. Jesus. No, I didn't. Yes, it did. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. Actually, 10 and a half years. No, I didn't. Shut up.

1:30:59Linus Sebastian:Holy crap, that's so painful. I just broke him. I broke him, Dan. I'm sorry. You want to know something funny? You know how I've, like, taken a break from streaming for a long time? I went through my most recent streaming assets folder it's all fallout 4 stuff my taking a break has been a decade oh my god oh my god he's dying dan holy crap

1:31:32Luke Lafreniere:okay um oh man should i break him again how old is morrowind oblivion was 20 years ago yeah yeah yeah because xbox 360s like i knew that

1:31:48Linus Sebastian:one for some reason the gap between oblivion and fallout 4 seems so much bigger than fallout 4 and now i don't know why that's true but it feels like it um okay so the the question of the last

1:32:01Luke Lafreniere:10 years thing is is tough yeah it's tough isn't it even if we look like locally right if we look at linus media group like linus media group looking five years back is so much different

1:32:15Linus Sebastian:in what we're doing who works here yeah our capabilities are all i got so different go back go back seven years a completely different thing um so it's okay it's been an incredibly long time since Skyrim, but the only mainline game that they've released in that time, I don't necessarily think I believe 76 is a mainline game. Is that fair to say? I don't know.

1:32:49Luke Lafreniere:This was meant to be kind of a yes or no answer, Luke.

1:32:53Linus Sebastian:Yeah, sorry. Are you still a fan of Bethesda? Well, what I think I'm saying is I can't conclusively say either way, because they haven't really released anything in the series that i liked in that period of time they haven't released a mainline fallout game they haven't released a mainline elder scrolls game those are the two games that made me love bethesda so i don't think i can say i i'm gonna still naively

1:33:16Luke Lafreniere:hold out hope though okay then it sounds like you can still be at least a little bit of a fan

1:33:21Linus Sebastian:because if you can not hold out hope for something i think i am that's my line reviews and buying es6 day one guaranteed okay because i i have to experience it okay i must i think no other like i think that's the answer i think that's the answer then um i want to jump into a couple

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1:35:38Linus Sebastian:talking to chat about bethesda things oh my gosh um definitely fan still a fan you got me started bro you got me started it's not my fault um yeah let's do this one we were talking about ai stuff before we did the the jump off topic section so we'll go back to it for some reason um new york state could ban data center development new york state has put a temporary hold on any further data center development, Governor Kathy Hochul, will have the final say and must decide before December if the state will enact a permanent ban on all data centers that demand 20 megawatts or more of power. As a quote, this is one of the first times that we're really drawing a line in the sand and saying that as a state legislature, we have the responsibility to make sure New Yorkers are in the driver's seat, said New York Senator Kristen Gonzalez.

1:36:39Linus Sebastian:And then again, to quote, big tech has been used to writing their own rules or not having rules that they have to play by, which is, yeah, I mean, fair enough.

1:36:53Linus Sebastian:I feel like, yeah, that's interesting. I wonder what the...

1:36:59Luke Lafreniere:just for context a 20 megawatt data center would be approximately 133 spacex ai satellite data centers

1:37:12just throwing that out there that is pretty fun for context actually um in case anyone was wondering why some people are

1:37:25Luke Lafreniere:pushing back on the idea of AI satellite data centers. It would take 133 of those to build something that's big enough that the state of New York wants to ban it.

1:37:38Linus Sebastian:Wants to ban it. Not the orbit of New York. Yeah. Interesting. I'm trying to rack my brain. What are the primary complaints about data centers being near you? There's power obviously there's water yep that it's pulling out noise ugly noise i guess some people have mentioned the really high pitch noise as well yep ugly yep i'm sure there's like ecological

1:38:05Luke Lafreniere:destruction cost uh so that's related to the power but also the power cost thing the power

1:38:11Linus Sebastian:cost thing feels solvable um by making the power for the data center i think part of it too is like

1:38:19Luke Lafreniere:the economic argument for data centers is all the the jobs that they create but that's only while they're building them uh once they're built they don't have much afterwards modern data centers require very little in the way of personnel compared to while they are being constructed um totally so it's one of those things where when they talk about all the jobs that like ai infrastructure is creating it's like yeah as long as we're chasing infinite growth then it will you know continue to support those jobs but the second that there's a cutback or bubble burst or the build out is stalled then they kind of go away

1:39:00Luke Lafreniere:and it's it's worth noting actually i think there's it's man it's it's kind of funny to kind of i i don't know i don't have uh i don't think i've taken a strong position either way on the building out of data centers. And it's really interesting to see both the good points that both sides of this issue make and also the somewhat seemingly flawed points that both sides make. Like there's a lot of talk about the water consumption of data centers. And during construction, that is like super true. They use a ton of water. But a big part of that is that it takes a ton of water to like make concrete construction um like back when um uh back when i toured uh intel's fab they were they were showing me the site where they were they were building like an extension to the fab and they literally like this the scale of these kinds of projects they had built their own concrete production facility on site so that they could so they could mix and then logistically move around the concrete much more efficiently and like people don't necessarily recognize like how much water that consumes but once it's built as long as they're not using evaporative cooling which from my understanding is kind of going out of fashion uh it's still a thing a lot of these data centers are using evaporative cooling the newer stuff seems to be getting away from it though and so if they're not using evaporative cooling then their ongoing water consumption is actually pretty low um yeah syphilis says building a concrete production facility is common in a lot of construction yeah anytime you're doing a large-scale project it's like gee i don't know should i truck the concrete from there to here um in like cement mixers or should i just make everything here out of the raw materials uh jay lock said nobody would have an issue with

1:41:13Linus Sebastian:the power issues water consumption even noise etc if data centers are being used to solve medical mysteries world hunger major infrastructure engineering problems etc rather than for a few billionaires to spy on us and get even more rich you are forgetting um funny ai cat videos though

1:41:29Luke Lafreniere:yeah and also forgetting that a lot of people are using it to do legitimately useful things

1:41:37Linus Sebastian:um yep including unfortunately palantir yeah um yeah we talked about that early in the show

1:41:44Luke Lafreniere:palantir again classic stop clock is right twice a day palantir did something good but also scary because it's palantir porto says all is forgive call is forgiven cute cats i don't know man i um it's always interesting for me to get boots on the real ground you know like talk to people who are outside of my bubble and especially don't take this the wrong way when show viewers like you guys are you guys are like dialed you're the you're the ltt core right um and it's always interesting for me to go outside of that bubble and talk to people about this stuff i was playing badminton in taiwan stop me if i told this story last week on wanshow um and i was just chatting with um with one of the one of the players at the club and um he comes up to me his english is pretty good and uh we've we've chatted a couple times over the years because i come back every year so people tend to kind of they're going oh yeah that that white guy right um yeah yeah hi it's me um but at some point he kind of put two and two together and he started like watching the channel so now when i showed up he's like oh you know hey linus uh and he asked me he's like what are your thoughts on ai and i'm like well that's a very broad um question um you know i think we're both here to play badminton not talk about this for the next three hours but um i'm gonna uno reverse this what do you think about ai and he kind of goes, oh, well, like, again, that's a very broad question.

1:43:14Luke Lafreniere:What specifically do you mean? And I'm like, well, like, what do you do for work? You know, what do you use it for? What does your company use it for? You know, like, someone boots on the ground, just out there living their life, working, eating, sleeping, playing badminton. I wanted to hear his perspective. And obviously, this is a sample size of one. But his response was really interesting to me. He's like, well, I work in like data compliance. And I kind of go, oh, okay, you know, like, what does that mean? Exactly. It's like, well, we provide services for things like law offices and medical clinics and things like that.

1:43:54Luke Lafreniere:And I'm like, okay, yeah, that that gives me a pretty good idea what you guys are up to. And I'm like, okay, so like, how would you say that, you know, AI has changed the way that you guys operate? And he's like, well, we have about the same headcount as we used to, but our marketing department is completely gone. We deploy tons of code to production that is overseen, but very much generated code. It has made us wildly more productive. So we have about the same headcount that we did before we started using it, but our revenue and productivity is like massively up. And, um, where, where I kind of like, I wanted to poke and prod at that a little bit.

1:44:41Luke Lafreniere:Right. And I was like, okay, you know, what does this mean for the maintainability of, of these projects? And like, so, you know, Oh yeah. How do you measure that? Well, you measure it in revenue. You measure it in completed projects. Apparently it's like,

1:44:53Linus Sebastian:that's, that's reasonable. Yeah.

1:44:55Luke Lafreniere:I just,

1:44:55Linus Sebastian:yeah.

1:44:56Luke Lafreniere:And, uh, and in terms of like, like maintenance, he goes, you know, well, we're real software engineers. So like, you know, we can do that. But using this to like turbocharge our productivity and, you know, completely just eliminate entire departments has been something that has been very, I'm going to use finger quotes here, successful for them. And that perspective was, like I said before, it was a sample size of one, right? So let's not treat it as anything deeper than what it is. But when I hear people say, and this is a really common sentiment that shows up in our comments section, in our chat, wherever, that nobody wants this.

1:45:42Luke Lafreniere:I kind of go, okay, but that's not actually true. And I think we could argue all day about where on the spectrum, the people who want it and appreciate it and enjoy it and use it and are benefiting from it versus the people who adamantly oppose it and won't touch it. Like we can argue all day about sort of where that split is, right? But what is objectively not true is that either everyone is benefiting from it and they need to just get on board. That's not true. Or nobody wants this. It's purely negative and nobody could benefit. That's also not true. And so I just, I'm still taking a very wait and see approach.

1:46:34Luke Lafreniere:We use it for some things internally. We've experimented a little bit more with using it externally. I think that there's absolutely a value to specifically calling out when something is not AI like this. this mouse pad would have functionally no artistic value to me if a human hadn't drawn it that doesn't mean it would be worthless i think that someone probably would enjoy an ai generated desk pad if it was like you know cool and they just liked it they vibed with it but for me like this has has has an artistic value that is this is hard to quantify how do you quantify that luke

1:47:23Linus Sebastian:can you quantify it and how do you properly prove it um oh that's i think this is this is

1:47:32Luke Lafreniere:we've talked about this before like how cottage industry and like etsy is going to have to move to like selling the live stream of you creating the art you know and then how do you prove that

1:47:43Linus Sebastian:live stream isn't ai generated as well um then that that whole series gets gets really weird but like something something i'm kind of running into is there was a game recently that said i don't know i think i think i think they said that they're using ai stuff for ideation but they're not gonna have it in their finished game and then they had some oh man this isn't a topic in the dark i'm trying to go off top of my head they had some like playable demo and people found ai assets in the playable demo and the company is basically like oh like that that wasn't supposed to be there we didn't like realize that was there um we're gonna try to figure out what happened or whatever i i think employers aren't going to be able to even know if their employees are really using it or not No.

1:48:39Linus Sebastian:I wouldn't know if Dan was an AI right now.

1:48:49Linus Sebastian:No response didn't move at all. Yeah, that would be pretty hard to tell.

1:48:53Luke Lafreniere:Actually, I think an AI might have had less latency on it, so I think he's probably a human.

1:48:58Linus Sebastian:I'm not an AI, Linus.

1:49:01Luke Lafreniere:That's actually a pretty damn good AI voice.

1:49:04Linus Sebastian:Now you've got to do the, like, you can't ask me to do that. I can't confirm or deny. It's a small language model.

1:49:15Linus Sebastian:But yeah, it's like, even if it's just for ideation, you can't necessarily control it. Someone, maybe they're on their lunch break and they're stuck on an issue and they want to look good for their boss. So they AI brainstorm some junk on their phone. Like you can't. And it's funny, even very anti-AI people

1:49:36Luke Lafreniere:um are it's it's it's really interesting to watch the conversations about it because like we've experimented with using a little bit of ai generated stuff in our thumbnails recently i've seen that um this one was was sort of universally disliked for being uh ai ai core uh except that This is an actual photo of me sitting on that manhole cover. I actually don't know what Sam did with the wires. Those weren't there. I'm not sure if he generated them or if he put some other asset in there.

1:50:16Linus Sebastian:That sign wasn't there either.

1:50:18Luke Lafreniere:But what's funny is as much as people hated those wires, one person as far as i can tell one person noticed this this has been up for a month that's not me i noticed that then two people did

1:50:42Linus Sebastian:my not just trying to like be like yeah that's fine my own wife i asked her about this thumbnail

1:50:49Luke Lafreniere:and without prompting her without like leading her she basically just started talking about oh yeah i i think it's you know the the monitor is cool or you know whatever but didn't notice that i only have one earring in my left ear um there's a oh didn't notice i didn't have braces there's a

1:51:09Linus Sebastian:couple little problems your eyes i don't know what it is but there's something going on with

1:51:13Luke Lafreniere:your eyes that tells me something's off uh sammy sammy noticed it and was like hey what's up with this and i basically was like yeah it was an interesting it was an interesting experiment a human still worked on it so you want to see something sorry the ai linus is ai but actually the uh and the the cardboard is ai but i believe the monitor um was um sam's work and then the background is sam's work um so a human still like composited everything but that's not that's not me and very, very few people noticed, which I thought was really interesting. That's, it was, I had a long conversation with Sammy about it because he's like, look, I, like, is this our direction?

1:51:57Luke Lafreniere:Are we just going to stop taking pictures of you and just generate you? I'm like, no, every video that we've done since then is a real picture of me for better or for worse, including, this was another one that people were really upset about because a Gemini watermark was on the original version of it because that PC case was added with AI. But that was the only thing AI about it. That is otherwise just a photograph of me in the PC build corner. So it was just the case that was thrown on there. So what's funny is like, the things that people thought were AI about this were not the things necessarily that were actually AI about it.

1:52:43Luke Lafreniere:The watermark made some people pretty upset, but then we had one where it was literally completely AI-generated Linus and almost nobody noticed because the watermark wasn't there.

1:52:54Linus Sebastian:What's funny about that one, and I've probably just seen your freaking face too much, so I recognized it, because I didn't actually clue into it based on the cardboard sign or the linux logo or anything else it was just i looked at your eyes and my brain was like they're not quite the right color so it was that i don't even know what it was just something in my head was like ah that's something's wrong it's like not him um and i don't know if the i i wasn't necessarily aware if maybe the editors were just trying to like do touch-ups and went a little bit too far or something like that uh but but for me my brain was like yeah it looks like so reminds me of AI generated lines.

1:53:35Luke Lafreniere:So that's a fun thing. I've actually had that conversation with our thumbnail artists because I found that some of our real thumbnails actually do look a little bit AI. This one's not. This is a real picture. But it has the same eye lightening that might trigger the same reflexive response from you as the eyes in the other one, if I had to guess.

1:53:57Linus Sebastian:Can you screenshot one of these and then scroll to the other one so we can have both on screen at the same time? I think we can just have both of them. That one doesn't make me think that it's off. I don't know what it is. There's something about the eyes in that AI one.

1:54:14Luke Lafreniere:I thought this one looked really AI-y, personally.

1:54:18Linus Sebastian:I thought the crayon in your hand gives me, or whatever that is, the marker in your hand, gives me vibes similar to the cardboard on fire thing. So that might have made me think something was going on there. But, yeah. you want to see something on the other end of the spectrum here real quick sure yeah content creator I've been enjoying watching for quite a while now as some like real solid second monitor content bring it up on YouTube no I don't think that's a dig I think that's part of the goal and I'll lock in for interesting segments but look up Gotham Chess and look at his thumbnails and show those on screen

1:55:05Luke Lafreniere:okay so this is completely embraced click on the video tab the ai oh my god um

1:55:19Linus Sebastian:and it feels like they're i i don't know what it is because it's been really interesting to me since he started doing this um actually checking the comments and and seeing what the sentiment on it is um you guys usually second monitor content for me i don't take that as a dig wanshow is like supposed to be second monitor content like that's this crazy uh sorry alex

1:55:44Luke Lafreniere:badminton academy who i did a collab with a little while ago just uploaded a collab with tech choice that's cool oh nice that is cool anyway he's using ai af in he's clearly using oh this guy is yeah oh interesting so this was another example that i wanted to show but um

1:56:03Linus Sebastian:here we go interesting here we go i i thought it might have been that doesn't even necessarily that just looks like he might have done like weird head enlargement or something no necessarily immediately scream out hey i don't mean um the gotham chess one the commenters seem to be having a lot of fun with it um like i i can pretty much guarantee you if you go to the Gotham chess video of him as a sumo wrestler and check the comments that there will be comments like talking about the thumbnail, but in a either neutral, but surprised way or in a like supportive, this has been kind of fun. His like foray into crazy AI thumbnails way.

1:56:45Linus Sebastian:Here's another completely generated Linus.

1:56:47Luke Lafreniere:That is not my racket. Those are not my shoes. I was not wearing shorts.

1:56:51Linus Sebastian:Your head shape is wrong.

1:56:53Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. So it's the, it's the same here. this is completely generated um yeah so some people are just leaning right into it and no one cares slash it's it's neutral and then others are using it a little bit and facing a bunch of backlash i saw jay's two cents was getting lit up on twitter about using ai on something i actually

1:57:12Linus Sebastian:haven't looked at his thumbnails recently the thing that i'm stuck on is i can't tell if it's a creator difference an audience difference or a style difference yes with gotham chess there's no real question it doesn't seem like he's trying to get away with using ai to generate his thumbnails he's playing with it very openly it's very obvious he's not trying to hide it um it's it's it's kind of fun um and then the the audience seems to be vibing with it it seems to me and i'm i am jumping to conclusions here i don't have a lot of evidence for this but i i if i had to wager right now it seems to me like the thing that's bothering people is when it seems like i don't know too normal like when they're trying to like in the uncanny valley i mean i guess yeah it's pretty well documented unease yeah yeah yeah yeah it's interesting it's seeing where the community is drawing the line because there's clearly creators that people are fine with it.

1:58:22Luke Lafreniere:S. John Trombley says, I think it's a community difference. I was talking to a VTuber a few weeks ago and she said, you basically get excommunicated if you use AI for anything. Which is interesting because I could see that being a space where it would be used a lot. Yeah, me too. In some period of time from now, when that sentiment, when someone is the first one to use it a bunch and be successful anyway.

1:59:10Linus Sebastian:It's such an interesting realm.

1:59:15Luke Lafreniere:Oh, someone says, already happened. Looked up VDAL 987. Are they just like AIAF? I don't even know what I'm looking at here.

1:59:28Linus Sebastian:V-E-D-A-L, it looks like?

1:59:31Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I can't tell what this is. Neurosama? Is that it?

1:59:39Linus Sebastian:I have no idea.

1:59:40Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I don't think I'm going to be able to figure this out.

1:59:49Luke Lafreniere:Okay.

1:59:53Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I think the AIVTuber. Okay, yeah. This is a deeper rabbit hole than I think I'm going to dive into live on WAN show. Thank you for flagging that for me, though. Why don't we jump into another topic here? I don't even remember how we got on the subject. Oh, yeah, the New York State could ban data center development. All right, cool. Hey, here's a cool thing that some YouTuber... Slash... Zzzz did. Xeroff put up an incredible... Oh, yeah. Incredible video interviewing a bunch of experts and diving into, I'm not going to play the video because you guys need to go watch it. It's 45 minutes, but it is a hard and fast 45 minutes.

2:00:46Luke Lafreniere:I can give you guys some of the top level details, but it's worth watching just so you can dive right into it. It's an amazing investigation into finished startup Donut Lab who made waves at CES 2026, claiming to have a revolutionary solid-state sodium-ion battery with 400 watt-hours per kilogram of energy density, a 100 ,000 cycle life, and five-minute charging. So put that in context. 400 watt-hours per kilogram, which would be like 33 % higher than a pretty solid lithium-ion cell. A 100 ,000 cycle life is functionally a forever. cell like whatever device you put that battery in would be dead long before you would reach a hundred thousand cycles and five minute charging functionally useless compared to anything else yeah five minute charging that's nuts that basically solves it i mean i finally oh hey

2:01:48Linus Sebastian:luke i finally got my motorbike yeah sammy showed me some pictures man that looks freaking sweet actually. Dan, I'm going to... Yeah, I haven't shown the WAN show yet.

2:02:03Luke Lafreniere:Wait, how is Dan so far down in my stupid list? Hello? Besser? There he is. Alright, I'll send these over and we can fire these up here.

2:02:18Oh, here.

2:02:19Luke Lafreniere:I'll also fire you over the picture of discovering why my GPU never showed up in my server. after all this time. And I finally got around to opening it up to troubleshoot the problem. Okay, so let's do motorbike picture first. So five minute charging. I had to fuel up a vehicle for the first time in a while because my car's electric. And so I got my motorbike back and it probably took me like five minutes because I went to that gas station. You know, the one that you have the loyalty to that doesn't have pay at the pump? Yeah. I stopped by there to grab some gas and so I had to park and then I had to go inside I had to leave my credit card with them which didn't make me deeply comfortable but they take your credit card as collateral then you go put as much gas in the tank as you want I had no idea how much fuel I needed because it's been three years since I fueled my motorbike one and two, the cost of fuel is so different from the last time I fueled it that even if I did remember how much money I took because I don't remember it in liters right so i just got me yeah i had no idea i was able to super accurately guess

2:03:34Linus Sebastian:for a really long time and then uh some dude who said he wouldn't start wars or something started a bunch of wars i didn't say that something you know whatever uh and now the gas price is insane and then i can't guess anymore but yeah you don't have to this doesn't matter for the show but you don't have to leave your card you can you can just um say a certain amount and then go back in and they'll refund it yeah but i didn't know so i just i was like okay sure here

2:04:03Luke Lafreniere:take my credit card i'll put in as much as i can and then i'll come back and get it so it probably took me about five minutes to then go and fill it and then go and do the transaction and then go like get back on my bike so if you could if you could refuel an electric vehicle in five minutes That's functionally, in my experience, so similar to fueling a gasoline car that it might as well be the same thing. A new investigation led by battery researcher Xeroth, pulling in over 20 independent experts, has now concluded that the miracle battery is literally just a standard lithium-ion cell. You'll have to watch the video, but here's a summary of the findings.

2:04:46Luke Lafreniere:First up is the voltage curve. The cell sits at 3.7 to 3.8 volts at 50 % charge. That is exactly where high nickel lithium ion cells operate. A real sodium ion cell doesn't go much past 3.5 volts. Second, and more damning, is the cell expansion data. When a battery charges, ions squeeze into the anode and make it swell in a predictable pattern. A graphite anode produces a distinctive kink in that expansion curve around 50 to 70 % charge. the donut cell shows exactly that kink which is impossible for sodium ion because sodium ions are

2:05:22Linus Sebastian:physically too large to fit into graphite researchers compared the combined evidence

2:05:28Luke Lafreniere:to having both a fingerprint and a photo of the suspect real world capacity also came in at about 298 watt hours per kilogram which is decent for lithium ion but nowhere near the 400 that was claimed. Also, the structure behind this thing is a mess of shell companies. The tech traces back to a German firm called CT Coatings, whose patents include things like screen-printed paving slabs and warning triangles. Nordic Nano was supposedly manufacturing the cells, but reportedly never made a single battery. Donut Lab handled the selling. The company raised around$25 million from over 1 ,300 mostly small investors, which is really sad.

2:06:12Luke Lafreniere:These are regular people who put in anywhere from $3 ,000 to$23 ,000 each, and then they inflated their valuation to$1.2 billion off of CES hype. Finnish financial and criminal authorities are now investigating. It's nice to hear that there are countries where misrepresenting your product is an actual crime when you take money from investors that's pretty cool our discussion question is venture capitalists probably would have caught this with basic due diligence i mean yes and no it's elizabeth holmes right but whatever so the company went straight to small retail investors who couldn't do that what does it say about crowdfunded tech that the people with the least protection are the ones left holding the bag usually it doesn't work out this way but boy when it does is it ever a giant boatload of suck isn't that sort of always um okay let's go back to the i i i think i understand

2:07:05Linus Sebastian:you were saying something different than the path i'm going down to be clear but okay if we go back to like the ncix ncix closure like the banks and stuff get paid out first right like they're really

2:07:16Luke Lafreniere:big yeah it's a different thing like bankruptcy proceedings versus like yeah like venture capital But a lot of the time, the larger organizations have, in both cases, either the due diligence capacity or the legal clout to better protect themselves compared to small mom and pop investors. Yeah, it's a definite problem on both sides. Yeah. anyway super super disappointed to hear about this i i never claimed to know enough about cell chemistry to have taken a strong stance one way or the other which is um i'm which means that you know i was hopeful that it was a cool awesome solid state battery thing but i also wasn't like you know sure that it wasn't like i just didn't really have a position

2:08:18Linus Sebastian:on it and now i'm uh that's also why it's cool that xeroth is doing this glad to have closure yeah yeah and and somebody who does know what they're what they're doing um is working on it

2:08:29Luke Lafreniere:youtube is such a cool place and uh hey i guess i'm ready to show my finished paint job it's a it's an eight foot job but i took these pictures from eight feet away so it should look pretty good throw it up there so that's it damn that's actually so sick that's it i saw them on sammy's little phone but they look way better full um this is kind of in the this is in the shadow away from the sun you can really see on the uh on the front wheel how there's kind of a bit of a color shift to it so yeah dan do you want to go ahead and there she is so same here you can kind of see how it looks a bit little bit this is more in the sun so it looks a little lighter toward the back of the bike this is just like pictures on my fold yeah there she is the shop did an amazing job of putting her back together there's a lot of problems with the paint job like i said not least of which is that there's some adhesion issues between the white paint layer and the primer that are going to make it not last that long but for a 2003 boy does she ever look pristine right now new exhaust sounds amazing i'm not normally like a like oh man yeah you should like check out my exhaust well it sounds so good um i'm not really that type but um they managed to do what i was you can you can take it away thanks dan they managed to do what apparently i was the very first person to ever ask for um the original exhaust the main issue with it is that it a didn't match at all because it was like silver and like giant and ugly.

2:10:08Luke Lafreniere:And B had a bunch of damage on it from either the previous owner or I, both of us dropped the bike at some point or another. So it had some damage from that. So I needed a new exhaust and I was like, okay, so I want a quiet one. And they were like, nobody's ever asked for that before. What are you talking about? Nobody ever wanted to make their motorcycle quieter. And I was like, yeah, but, but like i i like i like my v-twin i like that it doesn't like scream i like that it's you know modestly modestly loud and um and anyway really funny yeah yeah so they they uh i found this carbon fiber pipe that was compatible with my bike and i was like hey what about this one this doesn't like advertise being super loud so they got it and they got a baffle for it um so it has like it has like a deep growl but it's not super loud I actually really like it it sounds amazing John Josh in Canada asked what's your organ donor status I'm a proud organ donor if I don't need them I'd be happy to have somebody else have them so

2:11:16Linus Sebastian:yeah I honestly I had the I was riding scooters in Taiwan part of this last week and I genuinely had the thought of like would my organ donor card work here? Like what happens if you die in a foreign country? I don't know, but I'm still alive so no real reason to keep thinking about it.

2:11:46Linus Sebastian:Do we want to talk about the creepy dude stalking Rockstar's office? Sure.

2:11:54Linus Sebastian:User then pomegranate-625 which sounds like the most Reddit generated, auto-generated username ever posted on a oh it's not even, oh no subreddit, yeah okay posted on a GTA 6 fan subreddit this week about a decreased oxygen levels on the weekends, which this user believes is executives meeting after business hours at the headquarters to discuss marketing slash trailer 3 this same user has been tracking audio levels around the office to see if they can identify key topics and trends as well as having counted cigarette butts left outside to try to identify higher levels of

2:12:37Luke Lafreniere:stress so i'd like to jump in real quick here and say this is a prime example of how a behavior may be legal but that doesn't mean that it demonstrates good social skills yeah uh kind of weird oh my goodness it's kind of it's funny yeah i mean it's funny until you're a rock star employee who feels deeply uncomfortable about knowing that this guy is there and like

2:13:08Linus Sebastian:you see him like you go outside for a smoke and then you see him like scurry up afterwards and he like picks up your cigarette with tweezers and gets it like yeah dna scanned like

2:13:21Linus Sebastian:it's definitely wacky yeah

2:13:25Luke Lafreniere:what did we used to say back in the late 90s early 2000s get a life that was before touch grass that was what we used to say yeah get a f***ing life touch grass is pretty good but also no do more than touch grass actually like grass and get the light. Because he might have touched

2:13:48Linus Sebastian:grass in the process of this. He actually probably did. Yeah, that's crazy. So it doesn't work anymore. Good news. Other topic. Ampere is back. VideoCards.com with a Z reports that Manly has listed new GeForce RTX 3050 and 3060 cards on their website. The 3060 M2521 plus N630 is the older 12 gig model with 3584 CUDA cores at 1320. I don't think you have to read every

2:14:25Luke Lafreniere:stupid clock speed.

2:14:27Linus Sebastian:1777 megahertz things you don't care about. There's also a 3050 coming. I think I mentioned that previously. Manly's webpage does not list North American distribution, but TechPowerUp reported that early May, but a TechPowerUp report from early May names Asus, Colorful, and MSI as partners in at least the RTX 3060 resurrection expected later this month. The likely reason for the 3000 series returning versus the 4000 is foundry availability. The 3000 series GPUs are built on Samsung's 8nm node, while the 4060 shares the same NVIDIA 4nm node as the 5060. So yeah, that does make a lot of sense.

2:15:12Luke Lafreniere:I think that's a typo. I think they mean TSMC rather than NVIDIA there. I'll fix that for you. So just for context, the 3060 12GB originally launched in 2021.

2:15:26Linus Sebastian:Yeah, it's still a pretty capable card though.

2:15:30Luke Lafreniere:But how sad is that? That it's been five years and that the 3060 12 gig would be an acceptable gaming GPU today.

2:15:43Linus Sebastian:No, I agree.

2:15:44Luke Lafreniere:Like, I remember when we used to get new GPUs every year, instead of waiting five years for, what did we get, two generations in that time? And with no 6000 series on the horizon, I don't think there's any rumors swirling, which basically means we're six to 12 months out.

2:16:02Linus Sebastian:at least there's a video coming from a I'm gonna be incredibly vague here a creator who who like charted a bunch of now I'm gonna have to just keeping really very I think it's not out yet a bunch of things that have been happening over a bunch of years oh no yes not that one yeah I don't think it's out yet but But it's rough, man. Since it felt good, basically, it's been bad. What a boring, obvious statement. But it's even worse than I thought when you see it charted out.

2:16:45Luke Lafreniere:This sounds like a Paul video. I'm calling it.

2:16:48Linus Sebastian:I don't know. I can't say. But 3060, I've talked so many times on this show about somebody running Arc Raiders on a 1080. and then you get to a 3060 and now you've got some you know you've got some ray tracing going on and some of the new software features and stuff a little bit a little bit a little bit a little bit of ray tracing a little bit some light ray tracing lss a little bit of things going on here there uh 12 gigs of vram should also really help yeah 3050 i know you know people need affordable options but the 3050 mostly because of the vram really feels like it starts to become

2:17:30Luke Lafreniere:That's a pretty underpowered card today

2:17:32Linus Sebastian:Yeah, 3056 gig is like

2:17:35Luke Lafreniere:We're getting dangerously close to modern iGPUs being somewhat competitive

2:17:39Linus Sebastian:Totally, yeah So that's a lot less interesting to me but that 3060 12 gig is a serious card You can get some stuff done with that That's not too bad Yeah

2:17:54Luke Lafreniere:I'm supportive of this overall anything that makes gpus more plentiful and or more affordable i am i am all for i wish this wasn't the solution because this is effectively nvidia scrapyard wars like we're manufacturing old gpus instead of going on facebook marketplace to obtain them but fine the fabled uh just buy everything from the store a scrapyard worse yeah if this is what it takes to get slightly more affordable gpus then i guess i'll take it well i think one thing that i'm really hoping to come

2:18:32Linus Sebastian:from this is just that people that just need a gpu that say has 12 gigs of vram and can do a few things uh there will be more options for that because if there's more total output of graphics cards people that need at least that amount of performance will have more options hopefully that'll ease up the used market, do some things, help prices here or there. Will any of that actually happen? I don't doubt it, but I can hope.

2:18:59Luke Lafreniere:Hey, here's a fun one. Nintendo of Europe to pay 35 million euros in fines due to Joy-Con drift. In response to faulty Joy-Cons, a complaint from a French consumer organization was filed claiming that Nintendo of Europe misled customers by failing to disclose Joy-Con controller defects transparently, which caused consumers to buy unnecessary replacement controllers. Nintendo has agreed to pay 35 million euros, about 40 million US dollars, after a French regulator found them liable. Nintendo of Europe said in a statement that it did not intentionally mislead customers, and that this settlement does not constitute an admission of guilt and reflects only the amicable resolution of legal proceedings.

2:19:40Luke Lafreniere:According to a UK watchdog, over 40 % of Switch Joy-Cons have experienced stick drift. It is remarkable to me that a company the size of Nintendo managed to not fix that. Yeah. I don't... Pretty wild. I don't get it. And like, my own experience with Joy-Cons backs this up. Like, I think over 40 % of our first generation Joy-Cons drift now. And it's not like they've been used super extensively. like they've been they've been used but i think three of us have like finished breath of the wild my son played one of the pokemon games on switch like like there's there's maybe if i were to add it up like 400 hours of gaming across three sets of joy cons like it's not a ton pretty rough a unique username says 60 % of people have a life outside of playing Nintendo games no because you don't even you don't even have to play that much for them to oh for them to break oh yeah I guess so they have a life that basically does not include Nintendo games because it's a fundamental from my understanding it's like a fundamentally flawed design right like it will drift is that correct it's just a matter of when it dies?

2:21:08Linus Sebastian:I think so.

2:21:10Luke Lafreniere:Linus explains joke, makes it not funny. Sorry.

2:21:20Linus Sebastian:Sorry, I gotta read something for a sec. What do we have next, though? Do you want to do Apple introduces Siri AI?

2:21:27Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I can do that. At WWDC on Monday, Apple announced its second attempt at Apple Intelligence, which it is calling Siri AI, but it's Gemini under the hood. According to Apple, the new Siri AI can draw on personal context from your messages, emails, and photos, get up-to-date answers from the web, use on-screen awareness to tailor its assistance based on the app you're using, use all of that information along with apps on your device to perform tasks on your behalf. Craig Federighi took a pointed shot at other AI companies during the keynote, saying some are racing forward, seemingly pursuing AI for the sake of AI, without clear regard for the people it's meant to serve.

2:22:07Luke Lafreniere:But according to Craig, Apple's approach is to focus on making AI that improves the lives of their customers. Apple also attempted to differentiate themselves from other companies by saying that everything is built privacy first, with anything that leaves the device handled by private cloud compute, which the company says does not store or share user data and can be audited by outside experts. A presenter demoed Siri AI by asking it about a concert in San Francisco. sorry i'm gonna short aside here what is it with every big tech company using going to concerts as a demo lately google just did it okay just apple and google fine whatever but it feels like it comes up a lot are concerts not like really really expensive now yeah this feels like you know how you know how back in the day apple would would show you all their new calendar features during the keynote and like the example calendar they have has like wake up and do yoga and then just like a bunch of chill they have like four events in a given day and i'm like yeah this is why i can't use your calendar because my calendar will have like 25 things on it and your your data density is so low on your calendar that i like can't see any of it at once like it does it not does it just feel like the executives are just building the products to do the things that are relevant to them and to no one else like as apple's exact as apple's as exact as apple's c-suite has aged their focus on like health related products and fall monitoring stuff seems to have aged seems to have advanced along with them like i don't know it's just kind of a funny observation you know what i'll move on um anyway they asked it to about a concert in san francisco asked it to set a reminder to sign up for the ticket lottery and then pull a friend's new address out of a message and generate driving directions pretty cool pretty useful a second demo had siri plan a world cup watch party for the brazil versus morocco match getting siri ai to plan a menu for the event including a dessert idea which was pulled out of a text some other things were demoed, including improved visual intelligence capable of doing stuff like splitting a bill with Apple Cash or surfacing nutritional information from a plate of food.

2:24:26Luke Lafreniere:Also better dictation and more customizable voices. Apple is also launching a dedicated Siri app that uses iCloud to privately sync your conversation history across your devices. Right now, Siri AI is available for developer testing and will launch as a public beta later this year. discussion question do you think this approach to ai is better than other companies

2:24:53Luke Lafreniere:hmm

2:24:58Linus Sebastian:uh well i was reading other stuff during a decent amount of this but it looks like it's local first and and privacy focused and stuff and that seems beneficial yeah good it's funny i uh i i took a

2:25:09Luke Lafreniere:lot of flack when i was talking about the rtx spark launch in our in our video walking in the park in in at computex like uh you know linus is changing his tune it's like well yeah when i'm presented with new information i i change my perspective um if i didn't do that you should not listen to me at all um i i like local ai local ai seems pretty cool i don't like you know Sam Altman listening in on everything that I'm confiding in my AI. That I'm super not into. But anything that I can run locally, I'm actually, as long as it's legitimately useful, I'm, yeah, I'm kind of excited about. There's a lot of really cool stuff.

2:25:59Luke Lafreniere:NVIDIA's demos were really cool. Apple's demos here look pretty compelling. I need to see it actually work because I've heard all of this before. and the like the jaded part of me is like okay what's going to be different this time but if it's cool then it's cool the demons through the portal it's like um

2:26:21Linus Sebastian:it's already here i i think like local if you hate it local is the way to go if if that makes sense um because you're you know don't don't pay for anything at that point other than hardware i guess hopefully you can use the same hardware you already have but if you're not fortunate to have super expensive computer hardware then I guess you need to buy computer hardware you can try to get off the used market or something to do whatever but anyways by by going the local route you can keep up to speed but not directly be paying or feeding data into some of these massive AI companies So if that's your biggest gripe, which I think it's the biggest gripe for a lot of people, you can avoid that with local.

2:27:13Linus Sebastian:And with Odysseus being out there, local is more approachable than ever. And as far as I can tell, it's just going to keep being more and more approachable over time, which is fantastic.

2:27:25Luke Lafreniere:I can relate to a lot of the other gripes. I mean, the fact that this whole technology was built with data that was stolen from creators. creators including me by the way like me personally i yeah the fact that i was able here okay this probably could you i mean it's also true for like anyone who had a reddit account

2:27:48Linus Sebastian:like this isn't this isn't necessarily like special to any individual person like if you were a member of the internet your information was stolen like this could probably use a little

2:27:57Luke Lafreniere:bit more context but i managed to get open ai to generate this picture before the show with basically no difficulty whatsoever.

2:28:08Linus Sebastian:Sorry, I just got jump scared by Sammy. How long have you been there? Holy crap. What the heck? That was like some poltergeist stuff

2:28:21Luke Lafreniere:right there. That was amazing.

2:28:23Linus Sebastian:I had no idea he was there. Oh my god. Wow. Thanks, Sammy. Sorry, Lance. No, you're good.

2:28:34Luke Lafreniere:whoa um and that image that i generated was in spite of chat gpt refusing multiple times to generate it on the basis of that it was against its uh what did it say um yeah against its its terms uh so it was clearly clearly trained on like like me like my actual creative output um and and probably almost every single one of you as well and that's yeah that's crap that's pretty crap no i and i i completely agree with that my but

2:29:10Linus Sebastian:it's also out there yes my thing is that that happened and that can be terrible and we can all agree that that's terrible and we can all agree that these big companies are profiting off of looting all of that from all of us um and i think the biggest way if you just really want to get back at them for it the best way to do that is local run it in a way that they profit zero and gain data zero because then at least might as well use the stuff that was stolen from you yes it's using things that was stolen from other people as well that's that's its own ethic and that sucks laundry and that's pretty crap

2:29:57Linus Sebastian:i don't have much more to say on that to be completely honest it's just brutal but um i i think people are very actively i know quite a few people right now that are using this stuff to accelerate themselves in ways that are making them much more compatible sorry much more competitive i like that competitive their peers competitive able to competitive um yeah uh and if you can do that with local systems then you're able to keep up with those people and not profit these these big organizations and I think that's a cool at least option at least option at the very least I think you can go with the like the performant combo of having the oh what did I blank on the name the frontier models and using that for like special high difficulty stuff if you want and then having the local models for for everything else and you can do some really i hear people talk about how the frontier models are so much further ahead than the local models i think that's overplayed a little bit the frontier models are are quite clearly ahead but i think in the use cases that as far as i can tell most people are using ai for you can really do a lot lot of that with local models.

2:31:24Linus Sebastian:And then, as I said earlier in the show, when you really do need to push it, you can switch your model to one of the frontier models. You can do that in Odysseus. You can have both cloud-based frontier models, whatever, and you can have local models running through the same UI. So yeah, own it yourself. I think that's the only real way.

2:31:49yeah

2:31:52Linus Sebastian:one day after it was a group of people looted the library of Alexandria they took it all but somehow you're able to get a copy of that I think you should take it

2:32:05Luke Lafreniere:ah no it's not really related one day after its discovery Meta has pulled the unreleased facial recognition system out of its smart glasses companion app. Wired revealed that the code was sitting on more than 50 million phones. The system was internally called NameTag, and according to Wired, it was designed to convert faces captured by the glasses into unique biometric signatures, then compare those face prints against a database stored on the user's device. Wired also reported that any faces the system failed to recognize were cropped, indexed, and stored locally on the phone for future processing.

2:32:47Luke Lafreniere:Note that Meta refused to answer Wired's questions on whether the biometric data would be sent back to Meta's servers. The feature was never turned on, but the machinery was already built into the Meta AI app as early as January, even as Meta publicly said it had made no final decision about face recognition. Name tag first surfaced in the news in February when the New York Times cited internal meta documents showing the company was weighing a launch as soon as this year, with one memo reportedly describing releasing it during a dynamic political environment when privacy and civil liberties advocates would be distracted.

2:33:29Yeah.

2:33:31Luke Lafreniere:after Wired's first report Meta VP of Communications Andy Stone said the company could not answer questions about how the system would work because this is a quote, the feature does not exist the updated Meta AI app strips out the face recognition software you doing okay over there Dan? this current year is absurd this is just you know what, remove them remove the thing okay remove the thing it counts it counts if dan if dan can't anymore um the updated meta app strips out the face recognition software including the code that ran the name tag recognition process the person recognized alert that the app would have shown and the folder where the app would have stored cropped images and biometric signatures of unidentified faces our discussion question is is there anything we can do to protect our privacy when this kind of tech simply even exists um i mean there's those uh there's those cool camera rejecting reflective accessories you can wear i don't think it helps if they aren't emitting ir so uh trying to think what else we got not going public says scrappy dp you're way ahead of you I wasn't a YouTuber, I would just hang out in my house.

2:34:54Luke Lafreniere:What else we got?

2:34:55Linus Sebastian:If you're in semi-private places, um, I don't know why I'm saying semi-private. I mean, private places, but I'm not necessarily including only like your house because you're in like, say your, your friend's house, right? Like that, or, or a business, like a restaurant. Um, you might be able to make it the, the rule of the business or restaurant or those are the same thing, whatever. Or maybe a house rule that you can't wear these glasses when you're in those places. The tough part is that this rhymes to me with the Palantir saving a bunch of lives and also stealing all of your precious data that you could ever have in return.

2:35:37Linus Sebastian:Which is, it's going to be really hard to tell people hey, you can't wear your glasses that you might need to see.

2:35:44Luke Lafreniere:yeah because they'll they'll have a prescription in there and they might not have prescription not smart lenses because these things are you can you can hate it all you want but it's going to go mainstream like it's going to go people just have they might not have their other glasses on them

2:35:59Linus Sebastian:so they might just not be able to see if you want your privacy yeah uh which is these these cost exchanges are going to make it very socially difficult it would be very socially difficult to say no to the Palantir thing in the in the eyes of of someone potentially dying it would be very socially difficult to say no you can't wear your glasses to someone who actually needs them to be able to see and oh they just also happen to be able to surveil everyone that's in your location the other problem is you can definitely just mod them so that the indicator light does not go on when you record video so like it's over already it barely started and it's over if someone has these glasses you have no real way of knowing they might be recording you like it just it's done that includes in bathrooms that includes in a huge variety of places I'm trying to imagine like there are a variety of places around the world I was there recently so I was just thinking of it recently but even here in Taiwan they have certain hot springs that are like nude hot springs and in japan they have the the onsens where you're not really supposed to wear clothes um i'm assuming you would still be able to wear glasses what if you can't see without your glasses you would have to be able to wear glasses yeah um

2:37:25Linus Sebastian:i suspect cameras aren't exactly welcome at like nude beaches there's nude beaches in north america i'm not just trying to centralize this to asia um but someone would be allowed to wear their glasses the thing is like glasses can get in a lot of places that cameras can't um and are much more socially acceptable to point at things because you're

2:37:48Luke Lafreniere:pointing at it with your face um oh man madi ch says uh at luke and linus time to trim the people you hang out with it's like i i wish it was that simple you know like i um it's not that simple like with acquaintances sure maybe you could do that but with like long-time friends are you you're going to terminate a friendship over someone wearing ai glasses some people might most people won't what about family are you going to excommunicate family over them wearing ai glasses this is the exact thing i just mentioned where

2:38:32Linus Sebastian:it's socially difficult. That's what I meant by this. It is going to be socially difficult to the point of not possible for a lot of people to do that.

2:38:45Luke Lafreniere:Mind Paradox flagged the solution for us here. Great moment from the Princess Bride. I don't know if you guys have audio. Oh lordy. Why do I suck at this? I have the, the, the, yeah, fixed. There you go. There we go. Ready? Why are you wearing a mask? Will you burn the acid or something like that? Oh, no, it's just they're terribly comfortable. I think everyone will be wearing them in the future. It's a great line. Masks are terribly comfortable. I think everyone will be wearing them in the future. So, because he asks why he wears a mask. Yeah, so that's an option. You could just, everyone could just wear masks.

2:39:34Luke Lafreniere:also high social friction i think when you walk into the bank in your bandit mask they probably will ask you to remove it

2:39:45Luke Lafreniere:yeah growling says i can't even get family to care about basic web privacy little chance i can get them to care about the privacy implications of devices like this given an interesting feature set yeah exactly yeah oh man i didn't even think about like co-workers imsis says the ceo at my old company wear the facebook oakley glasses to the office regularly yeah so friends family yeah don't forget about like your boss you're gonna tell your boss okay you wear you wear facebook glasses i quit some people might have the luxury to do that i guarantee you not everybody does

2:40:22Linus Sebastian:most people won't the vast majority of most people won't um man somebody said something in here where did it go no uh someone said places are successfully banning them um and i i think i mentioned earlier that like you might be able to ban them in certain businesses and private places as well but i think linus's for now is really important here i'm not necessarily certain why he's saying for now but my reason for for now um is what about when it's not just meta how do you keep up with all of the different glasses that are smart enabled look at how many

2:41:07Luke Lafreniere:look at how many like tablets there are on aliexpress how many brands of smart watches there are you give it another five years and there's going to be literally a thousand different options for smart glasses they are going to be smaller and sleeker than anything that we're

2:41:26Linus Sebastian:looking at today it's going to become very difficult to tell if there's a camera in it at all

2:41:32Luke Lafreniere:and in parallel people are going to just sigh and shrug and go, well, it's inevitable and are going to be less vigilant. And it's just going to kind of, they're going to get harder to notice and people are going to care less. And those points are going to intersect and they will just kind of be everywhere. And I hate to be defeatist about it. And by all means, you should, you should advocate strongly in your social circle for people, you know, not wearing them in situations where there's an expectation of privacy and advocating for yourself and what you're comfortable with. I won't be super surprised when it maybe doesn't work.

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2:43:31Luke Lafreniere:luke this is why my gpu wasn't showing up i completely forgot that when we built it we planned to open it back up at a later date and add like an oculink to pcie or m.2 to pcie riser or something to run this gpu as a compute device and then just never got to it so it was literally wasn't even plugged in well there's your problem anyway i fixed that yesterday uh and i was firing up server parts deals because i was like oh yeah like what's um how's my how's my server capacity do i need any more drives and they are a great place okay sorry i'll read the thing uh wait lists for the newest hard drives can sometimes be months long and if you're not a hyperscaler you're probably not a priority well server parts deals has shipped tens they have tens of thousands of drives in stock, and even orders of 100 drives or more can often be shipped same day.

2:44:33Luke Lafreniere:Everything is tested once they get them, even recertified Western Digital and Seagate drives. They get an initial smart test, FIO throughput across multiple parts of the disk, a full surface bad block scan, and then another smart to make sure that nothing changed. For larger businesses or data center buildouts, they also do buybacks. Or if you're upgrading your system they can help offset the cost do you need hard drives fast skip the wait list with server parts deals we'll have a link down below sorry it's server part deals isn't it hold on i'm gonna double check i can never remember i thought it was parts but my talking points say part it's part it is part it is part don't go to server parts deals i don't know what the heck that is server part deals.

2:45:18Luke Lafreniere:Good job, Linus. Good podcast sponsor, Reed. Way to go. Screw up the name of the company. Thank you for that, Dan. That's very helpful. He's a professional. He's been doing this for 12 years. All right. Okay, you got to do the next topic because I got to run to the washroom.

2:45:34Linus Sebastian:Okay, sure. One way to get real confused about pricing is to load up server part deals and have it automatically have the currency be in new Taiwanese dollars and have a hard drive cost$20 ,000. anyways I was like whoa what happened we're good it's okay yeah sure we'll do this one no Linus will probably want to talk about that let's see let's see

2:46:06Luke Lafreniere:or we could get a couple of comms out of the way

2:46:07Linus Sebastian:yeah this one's interesting sorry

2:46:09Luke Lafreniere:or we could get a couple of comms out of the way for you specifically or do a topic whatever you want I don't think it'll be wrong.

2:46:14Linus Sebastian:If you've got comms for me, we can do that. Yeah, sure. Why not? If not, I got a topic here.

2:46:19Luke Lafreniere:Okay, cool. If you haven't heard, there's a major Arch AUR supply chain attack happening right now.

2:46:27Linus Sebastian:I have heard about that. I don't know all the details, but yeah, I have heard about that. That sucks. I think, I feel like the server side of Linux is probably pretty well monitored in terms of security. But with the user base on the desktop side being as small as it has been for years, I don't know. it's going to get stress tested a little bit as there are waves and waves of people moving from windows over there and the honeypot of being able to attack desktop Linux systems grows it's going to become more and more attractive for attackers so we'll see how it all goes I had at least one person reach out to me being like, are you okay?

2:47:26Linus Sebastian:Because you're on Cashi? I guess somewhat luckily for me,

2:47:33Linus Sebastian:my laptop is not, my laptop is running Mint and Windows. My desktop is running Cashi and Windows. And I've been traveling for the last two and a half weeks. So my desktop is at home and powered down. So it has not hit me. And as far as I've heard, it's been fixed since then. So, yeah. Someone in chat said basically someone was, sorry, S. John Trombley in chat said basically someone was adopting orphaned AUR packages and adding malicious calls to NPX in the install scripts. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I know a lot of people love the AUR. I tend to try to lean away from it. I don't even know why. I've never actually had a reason.

2:48:28Linus Sebastian:This was not a reason. And honestly, moving forward, I don't think this would be a reason. I've just liked other ways of installing things so far, but, you know, you do what you gotta do sometimes. Anyways, do you have another one?

2:48:43Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, what's your LLM of choice?

2:48:48Linus Sebastian:do flavor of the month yeah kind of uh and if you're running like uh if you're running like t3 chat it's really easy to skip through and use whichever one you want they have a huge variety of options and they keep them up to date um i i find that's kind of a fun way to use things is t3 chat because you can try so many different things out and they have so many different options if you want to stay on top of things that can be good if you're not running local stuff if you're running local stuff if you're running something like odysseus you can you can cookbook every once in a while and see what things are good for you to run right now i i don't necessarily even recommend having like one specific model of choice um i think you kind of want to keep keep pushing keep keep progressing with the with all the things if you're if you're like up with the times enough to be using ai stuff in general you might as well be up with the times enough to be um mobile with models to make sure that you're using the right stuff the best stuff you can yeah do we want to talk about canada's

2:50:06Luke Lafreniere:under 16 social media ban?

2:50:10Linus Sebastian:Sure. I don't know a ton about it, but yeah.

2:50:12Luke Lafreniere:The Canadian federal government has introduced Bill C-34, legislation that would ban kids under 16 from using social media platforms, particularly Facebook, Instagram, and Snapchat. The bill defines social media broadly as any site or app that lets users access and share content across provincial and global borders. Companies can get a pass if they set up proper safety measures for kids. However, the exact criteria will come later via official regulation. If passed, it would also put the responsibility on websites to protect children from harmful content, including cyberbullying. The bill would also create a digital safety commission to monitor sites for compliance, conduct audits, issue compliance orders, and dish out fines of either 3 % of a company's global revenue or 10 million CAD, whichever's higher.

2:51:02Luke Lafreniere:Interestingly, AI chatbots won't be banned for kids under 16, but companies will need measures in place to deal with users expressing intent to commit violence or self-harm. The bill would not, however, require chatbot companies to report these interactions to police. So our discussion question is, unlike Australia's flat ban, This bill, if passed, would let platforms earn an exemption by proving adequate safeguards that don't exist yet. Is this a genuinely smarter way to incentivize big platforms to fix infinite scroll and addictive algorithms? Or is it just a lobbying backdoor where the exemption criteria gets watered down until everyone qualifies and nothing changes?

2:51:42Luke Lafreniere:I think only the time will tell. Electrobot asks a really good question. Maybe this is a more interesting discussion question. Why is this the only time we've ever heard of a fine that is a percentage of global revenue?

2:51:51Linus Sebastian:that seems pretty smart um it does seem pretty smart if you want companies to actually you know stop doing a thing yeah and the whichever is higher is like usually it's like whichever limit you reach first yeah the opposite um it's kind of fun i have it feels even weird to admit But I have some hope in this being a genuinely smarter way to incentivize big platforms to fix infinite scrolling and addictive algorithms over the loophole thing. The current Canadian admin has been doing, you know, not every step is perfect, but has been doing some good stuff. And I have hope for the first time in a long time.

2:52:40Luke Lafreniere:Are you ready for the other shoe to drop? oh boy signal duck duck go among firms weighing canada exit over lawful access bill oh yeah yeah

2:52:52Linus Sebastian:good point yeah this one blows the big names in the vpn and privacy industry are threatening to

2:52:57Luke Lafreniere:pull out of canada over bill c22 the lawful access bill which would force service providers to retain user metadata for up to a year and build in ways for police and csys to access it While the bill mainly targets core providers like the big satellite and telecom companies, VPNs are involved as the public safety minister can issue secret ministerial orders forcing any provider to comply. These orders only need sign off from the intelligence commissioner. No judicial warrant needed and providers aren't allowed to publicly say that the order exists. Signal told Parliament that it would rather leave than betray its users.

2:53:40Luke Lafreniere:DuckDuckGo confirmed that it would pull its VPN, and NordVPN said it would consider all options, including leaving Canadian jurisdiction. Canadian-based Windscribe was the bluntest, saying it pays, quote, an ungodly amount of taxes to a government that now wants to spy on its own citizens and flatly stated that it will move its HQ out of the country if the bill passes. Even big tech has objections.

2:54:08Linus Sebastian:Apparently this is directly supported by the current governing body, so I've got to take back what I said.

2:54:14Luke Lafreniere:Even big tech, well, I don't think you have to necessarily take back what you said. You did say, with some exceptions.

2:54:22Linus Sebastian:I guess this will be an extremely strong exception.

2:54:26Luke Lafreniere:Apple, Google, and Meta have all pushed back on the bill, and Apple has already shown its willingness to follow through on this kind of pushback, having killed its encrypted cloud service in the UK over a similar sort of backdoor order. The public safety minister says amendments are coming to clarify that breaking encryption won't be allowed, but is holding firm on the one-year retention period. Our discussion question is, if privacy-focused services actually exit Canada, does the bill end up making Canadians less safe by pushing them towards sketchier offshore alternatives, or is that an acceptable trade-off for giving police the tools they say they need?

2:55:12Linus Sebastian:There's offshore alternatives that aren't that sketchy. Yeah. I think if people are using VPNs now in Canada, they will continue to be able to do so.

2:55:21Luke Lafreniere:If China, with all of its technological wherewithal, cannot figure out how to actually maintain the Great Firewall, don't get me wrong Canada, love you, you're cool beavers, rocks and trees and water and stuff, very cool I don't think you're going to pull off keeping offshore privacy tools out of Canada anyway so I'm not convinced that this is going to make much of a difference, I could just continue to subscribe to Windscribe who is now based in Europe somewhere I don't know I don't actually use Winscribe I use PIA but same diff I'll just continue to subscribe to whatever service I already use in all likelihood

2:56:18Luke Lafreniere:Norgaard says this is deeply crappy, but would also depressingly only bring them up to parity with the Patriot Act. I actually don't know much about the Patriot Act. I haven't thought about it since, like, Snowden. Actually, has Snowden been in the news at all recently?

2:56:33Linus Sebastian:I don't think so. I looked him up recently, actually. It seems like it. Hmm.

2:56:44Luke Lafreniere:yeah he's still living in russia it seems okay hasn't been uh drafted or anything

2:56:52Linus Sebastian:yeah i was gonna say that's gotta be an uncomfortable situation right now

2:56:58Luke Lafreniere:uh what else we got here amd claims that it's 256 core zen 6 venice cpu beats NVIDIA's Vira by 3.3x in rack-level performance. They presented early projections showing that with both configured to the same 100 ,000-watt rack power envelope, they could dramatically outperform NVIDIA's upcoming CPU. The comparison is based on estimated and modeled performance data, not completed side-by-side benchmarks of shipping products, and AMD describes the results as preliminary projections intended to indicate expected performance trends rather than final measured outcomes. Basically, this presentation was a response to NVIDIA's own early Vero benchmarking campaign, which was based on NVIDIA-controlled testing.

2:57:47Luke Lafreniere:AMD's projections were built using methodology that was derived from those Vero results. And my notes go on, fight, fight, fight! I mean, yeah, competition, it's cool. Always fun to grab a bucket of popcorn and watch. I do really feel that AMD might be maybe intentionally missing the point a little bit here. I don't think anybody is, I don't think anybody expects Vera to be like a top performing CPU. I think the whole point of it is just the deep integration with the new Rubin GPUs. And I don't think NVIDIA is trying to go for the general purpose CPU market, at least not at this time. but yeah hey you know what keep fighting AMD still kind of written for you even though you kind of really f***ed it up on the Threadripper side

2:58:43Linus Sebastian:me too Dan speaking of segues drone boat picked up downed US Army helicopter pilots a first for sea rescues after a US Army helicopter went down near the Strait of Hormuz while on patrol its two pilots were rescued you'd buy a Corsair boat drone built by Ceronic, a startup that makes autonomous surface vessels or ASVs. Using the vessel's 360 degree passive sensors, the Navy's Task Force 59 located the downed crew and picked them up within two hours, varying them to a safe spot on the water for a helicopter pickup. Important note, the Corsair's embedded AI software stack does the heavy lifting handling immediate moment to moment navigation.

2:59:28Linus Sebastian:It dynamically plans paths around changing sea states and is supposedly able to continuously wait in position and regulate fuel and power consumption, only engaging the engine when needed. Per Sironic specs, the Corsair model is a 24-foot ASV that can haul up to 1 ,000 pounds across 1 ,000 nautical miles with a top speed of... nope, not 1 ,000... 40 meters per... sorry. 40 miles per hour. Saronic has two other larger ASV models as well. And notably, this is believed to be the first unmanned sea rescue in U.S. military history performed by boats that only entered into service in March. Imagine being the recipients of that.

3:00:19Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

3:00:21Luke Lafreniere:I'm just looking for something. There's one last maybe topic here.

3:00:29Luke Lafreniere:Here we go. I'm going to forward this to Dan.

3:00:37Luke Lafreniere:Daniel Besser. There he is. All right, before we get to After Dark, Eshtek asked really nicely for me to do a bit of an update from them. So if you're not familiar, Eshtek makes HexOS, which is the NAS software that I backed a little while ago. i did it'll take a second um so it's based on true nas but it's like a a simplified front end slash also becoming a lot more than that which is exactly what they wanted me to talk about hex os lets you do so much more um here are a few things app pre-config this feature is coming very soon in June, possibly next week. The first set of apps will be Plex, Jellyfin, and MB.

3:01:29Luke Lafreniere:And what app pre-config is, is basically like a one-click setup of apps like Plex. And they sent over a pretty cool little demo. Dan, do you have that hexOS Plex pre-config.mp4? Did you get the email yet? Nope, got him. Cool. Okay, so just to make it clear, this is never forced, but the goal is just to reduce the amount of steps required and cognitive load on the user to get a functional app experience, making apps far more app-like and far less figure-out-a-whole-bunch-of-crap-like. Let me know when you're ready, Dan.

3:02:15Nope.

3:02:17Luke Lafreniere:Check this out, Luke. yeah go for it there's a one minute time lapse but basically this is the whole thing so see that pre-configure thing uh so you sign in to your plex because obviously like they can't sign in for you you have to do that yeah sure okay there's your name and here we go so it obviously has to install the the docker and then on the left is the old way this is actually a pretty cool little demo that they put together blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah go find folders blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah finish configuring all the folders

3:03:10Linus Sebastian:are they going to do this for jellyfin have they done this for jellyfin already

3:03:13Luke Lafreniere:Plex, Jellyfin, and MB will be the first set of apps with this pre-configure thing. Cool. Launch.

3:03:27Luke Lafreniere:So if you're using their pre-configured folder structure, which the idea is that you will, there it is. Oh, I love that. That's a nice touch. That's a nice touch. got the ltt screwdrivers in the pictures yeah coming soon mb and jellyfin out of the box linking between the r apps and qubit torrent and much more okay so they're being pretty explicit about that okay thank you for that um john hell yeah hell yeah okay what else they got uh additional app curations are also available now So these are ones that are just like validated, but don't have necessarily that one click setup. So Flatter, that's a Jellyfin front end.

3:04:15Luke Lafreniere:Jellystat, statistics app for Jellyfin and MB. Sear is a request management and media discovery tool that works for Jellyfin Plexor MB servers. That's a pretty funny thing to call that. Request management and media discovery. Okay. MKV Tool Nix is a set of tools to create, alter, and inspect Matroska files. Gee, I wonder why you would need that. And QI is a fast and powerful BitTorrent web UI. There's also more coming over the next several weeks. And they wanted me to talk about AnyRaid. So there's a webinar on June 25th that if you're into ZFS RAID, you might want to actually check out. So Alan Jude of Clara Inc.

3:04:57Luke Lafreniere:and John Penazzo of Eshtec, creator of HexOS, will be hosting a joint webinar to discuss ZFS AnyRaid. So how it works is it improves traditional, it produce uh improve storage space efficiency um and you can learn more on the clara website about how it differs from traditional raid z also buddy backups you know how that's that was one of my key conditions for this thing being a thing that i will financially back there's a timeline the team has been focused on buddy backups since the 1.0 release um things are going quicker than anticipated and they're hoping for q3 of this year so sometime in the next three and a half months buddy backup so i just want to explain what buddy backups are um pretty much you have a buddy you know like this is my buddy you both have a hex os nas and you can both install some extra storage in each other's servers and without uploading to any cloud or going to anybody else's service You can send an encrypted copy that is stored on your buddy's server.

3:06:03Luke Lafreniere:You can allocate that storage to each other so that you don't go over the quota that you set. And you can have a secure, safe, off-site backup on hardware that you or your buddy controls and nobody else needs to look at or touch. And really the magic is not in doing that. That's something that you could do today with open source free tools. You could totally set up something like that literally tonight in your spare time. but the part that is a little bit harder is doing so without opening ports and without going through a bunch of networking tomfoolery and command line configuration so this is like click and go which is pretty pretty exciting uh maria says as long as my buddy can't see it yes that is absolutely critical is that it would be encrypted such that only you know what you have backed up to your buddy's system.

3:06:57Luke Lafreniere:Also, they asked me to flag that a lifetime pricing increase is coming soon. The$1.99 price point is coming to an end. No exact date, but likely in Q3. They need to deploy a new e-commerce solution to replace the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Once that's done, lifetime will be going to$2.99. So just watch out for that. All right, that's it. There you go, John. I did your thing. It's legitimately really exciting stuff. I'm really stoked for Buddy Backup and the app curations and the one touch setup looks like honestly awesome. Like setting up Plex isn't even that hard for me now. I've done it enough times.

3:07:32Luke Lafreniere:All right, excuse me. I've done it enough times that it's like fine. I know how to do it, but it's tedious. I'd rather not if I could just click one button and it's done and all I have to do is just, you know, put my movies in my movies folder and put my pictures in my pictures folder and then it'll just do it for me. yeah that's that's pretty cool oh shoot sammy demands floatplane announcement oh i'm so sorry

3:07:58Linus Sebastian:sammy i totally forgot about you before you do that all right people are pointing out potential

3:08:05Luke Lafreniere:liability risks of the buddy backup thing um we've talked about this in the past if it's an encrypted copy i just don't really see yeah if you if you genuinely truthfully have no way to access

3:08:20Linus Sebastian:it and it's encrypted i could see like if they end up getting investigated for something they might like seize your drive yeah uh which would suck obviously yeah they might seize your whole

3:08:33Luke Lafreniere:server so you should probably only do this with buddies but i mean by this logic um if you uploaded an encrypted file with incriminating media to google drive like is Google criminally liable for this? I don't think so so am I missing something here?

3:09:00Linus Sebastian:that's kind of where yes they are

3:09:06Luke Lafreniere:they would have no way of knowing if it's encrypted I think people are not fully understanding what encrypted means a little bit if it's an encrypted container file and you upload it to Google, they don't know what's in it. They're saying

3:09:25Linus Sebastian:they can be compelled to turn it over. Sure.

3:09:29Luke Lafreniere:Turn it over to what? Unless it can be decrypted, then it's a blob of ones and zeros.

3:09:42One second. Hello.

3:09:45Linus Sebastian:Oh, thank you.

3:09:47Luke Lafreniere:So he tried angrily complaining we haven't done float plane announcement. Now he's trying buttering you up to do float plane announcement. Which one's going to work?

3:09:55Linus Sebastian:He is, yeah. I think we should do the float plane announcement now. I think we should.

3:09:59Luke Lafreniere:Thanks, Sammy. Have you ever wondered what our travel weeks look like? Sammy vlogged his entire week in Taiwan from the immediate airport. I don't know what immediate. Oh, from the immediate airport to a Seuss shoot to... I don't know what he's talking about. What a week at LMG looks like. Wait, is this the one? No, this is an old one. Sammy, what the crap is this link? What are you talking about? You put the wrong link. I think he's editing it now. I see his cursor in here. Is that Sammy? No, that's Dan. Okay, I don't know. Whatever. so he vlogged his entire week from airport to asus shoot to going out for dinner with taran and luke who tried stinky tofu for the first time so if you're into how we get videos done then this vlog is for you but maybe you're more into linux bam we have some stuff that was taken out of the part four linux challenge video just ended up on the cutting room floor so we've got some extra from there we will also have a video fully showcasing linus's motorcycle shooting soon so let us know what you want to see from it.

3:11:07Luke Lafreniere:Linus hasn't agreed to do this video, but I'm volunteering him to do this video. lmg.gg slash fpwan. Yvonne did shoot me... Oh, I forgot to bring that. Oh, I forgot to bring that phone for Glenn today. Oh, crap. Well, I will do it on Monday. Yvonne shot me going to pick it up, Sammy, so you'll be able to use that for whatever it is that you're doing. Sammy says, this is what happens when you write the doc at 7 a.m. I added in the link for you Okay, here's the proper link to the proper vlog There you go What a week at LMG looks like, Sammy POV Taiwan edition

3:11:49Luke Lafreniere:What's going on in this? What are we looking at here? Oh, they're trying to show the fan working using like hair I eventually figured it out by just ripping a bigger clump of hair out of my head so if you if you watch that video um they were like they were trying to shoot one hair and it was really hard but um i was like no guys you just need more hair so i just like like grabbed a whole thing of hair out of my head and then it worked pretty good yeah let me see if i can find it it's a pretty cool video actually if you guys haven't seen it you definitely want to check out the ionic uh ionic cooling video this perfectly silent fan took 300 years to make oh my god ads well i can't believe roundup is legal again that's crazy yeah dude i didn't really like understand what it was and i went a little ham with roundup attacking weeds on our lawn when i was a teenager and like destroy emulated it my mom was she came out then like a day or two days later like it happened it acts really fast it's like what the is going on everything the lawn is dead yeah anyway that was mostly a good kid all right should we start a uh should we start after dark after dark yeah yes if i can find it maybe they didn't put it in the edit maybe it was too gross if someone has a timestamp let me know otherwise I give up

3:13:29hit me Dan

3:13:30Luke Lafreniere:sure thing are you guys excited for Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time remake officially being teased for later this year and Luke do you plan on finally having something to play on your Switch 2

3:13:46Linus Sebastian:the thing that is finally going to be playable on my Switch 2 is that game that is a remake from my childhood. Yeah, the game literally came out. Yeah, really. I had no idea that was coming. That actually does sound pretty cool. That was a sick game. I feel like it would still be really fun. We haven't played it in a billion years, so it might be fun to run through again. I'm sure I actually remember a lot of it, but also don't remember a lot of it. So, yeah.

3:14:21Luke Lafreniere:I was not an Ocarina of Time kid. I didn't have an N64. My friend had an N64, but I'm going to go to my friend's house and I'm going to sit and play single player games. That's not cool. So I have tried to play Ocarina of Time on at least three occasions. I think I actually own it for virtual console on my Wii. And I tried it at least a couple of times there and I tried it at least once emulated and I just haven't managed to get into it. I have played through Link to the Past. I have played through most of The Legend of Zelda, like in the NES one. I've played through Phantom Hourglass. I've played through Twilight Princess.

3:15:12Luke Lafreniere:I've played through Breath of the Wild. Actually, as far as game franchises go, I'm as much into Zelda as I am into any franchise, and I just couldn't Ocarina of Time. I'm so sorry to my fellow Zelda faithful. Question for Linus. When dbrand wants to do a sponsor with certain stunts, like the box of glass with a phone in it, do they tell the team or get any approval? yeah i genuinely typically don't know about it which there's good things about that and there's also somewhat irritating things about that sometimes like there's been stuff that i've had to be like yeah no not very often especially now that you know we understand each other pretty well but it has happened.

3:16:12Luke Lafreniere:So make of that what you will. Hello from Edmonton. Hi, Edmonton. I drive a garbage truck. They have recently installed AI nanny cameras into our trucks. I find they encourage dangerous habits. I worry insurance could start demanding them. Thoughts? Dangerous habits? i would love to hear more about what potential dangerous habits a nanny camera could encourage because i'm sure i believe you that's gross but yeah i don't know like i genuinely believe you but i don't i'm having a hard time imagining what that might be i really wish i could have a little bit more context here maybe if you're operating too slowly

3:17:04Linus Sebastian:it gets mad at you I could see that you're not reaching production quotas

3:17:13also

3:17:15Linus Sebastian:quotas have increased this week get owned

3:17:19Luke Lafreniere:yeah that makes sense

3:17:22Linus Sebastian:I'm not sure though I don't know

3:17:25Luke Lafreniere:oh man okay so this is oh man sorry this is about to go a little bit off the rails here because my immediate knee-jerk reaction is like yeah nanny camera's terrible um and then that made me think of like something that i was going to post as a tweet or something i was just going to do like and obviously it's an observation that's been made many many times but i wanted to post a picture of the like the pedal well of my uber driver and there would be brake pedal and then just like an on off toggle switch on on the gas pedal um and it was i was thinking as i was sitting getting like violently nauseous in the back of a cabin or of an uber in taiwan um that ironically had one of those did you ever see these those rule signs in the back of the ubers there that will say like no smoking no whatever no throwing up there's some that say no barfing um it was like bro i wouldn't be choosing to vomit but if you're gonna drive like this you're really putting me in a pretty awkward position um anyway it was it was occurring to me as i was sitting in the back of this uber not able to do anything other than stare out the front windscreen and hope that i'm not going to throw up that um it would be so easy for uber to fix this problem by just using the fucking accelerometer data that's already in the phone that the uber driver absolutely has to have and just logging that and being like hey you need to chill the fuck out on the brake pedal and the gas pedal so that your driver so that your passenger doesn't throw up in the back of your car like honestly my driver to the airport was insane and then I had at least two while I was in Taipei that just like crazy car to the airport

3:19:21Linus Sebastian:sorry why'd you take a car to the airport because it's cheaper it's cheaper than the train yeah if

3:19:27Luke Lafreniere:I'm gone for like seven days wait sorry what are you asking I'm supposed to take the train to the

3:19:32Linus Sebastian:airport from my house I thought you meant sorry sorry I thought you meant from the hotel in Taipei

3:19:37Luke Lafreniere:to the airport no from no from van in vancouver okay yeah no i understand okay yeah so once i'm once i'm gone for like i think i think the threshold is five days or something like that if i'm gone for more than five days then it's cheaper to be so expensive no i got you i thought i thought you yeah yeah okay um anyway so yeah so you've had you have the g-force data from the phone and then also another thing that just triggered the crap out of me is i went to leave like a three-star review because realistically we didn't crash you know they didn't like kill me but also i was feeling really sick and you know how it prompts you it's like okay well what was the issue nausea is not in there how is it that with such a like universal meme uber drivers and their ridiculous acceleration and braking how is it that that is not in there as an issue with your ride that's crazy it has to be intentional there is no way that that's not intentional

3:20:38Linus Sebastian:it's it's weird that that's a known thing because you'd think that would be worse for gas and worse for car maintenance

3:20:50Linus Sebastian:i don't get it dude i don't know yeah i don't know it doesn't seem that complicated

3:20:54Luke Lafreniere:to make small adjustments to the gas pedal i mean and maybe part of it is just that i've been married to someone with like serious motion sickness issues for a thousand years um and so i just i just automatically adjust my driving style when i have a when i have a passenger like when i'm in my car on my own whatever i don't care i'll just open it up right like who cares it's me i'm not going to get sick driving my own car but when i have a passenger i'm like like trying to be smooth about it and i guess maybe they just like never had anybody tell them? I don't know. I don't know. It just seems like they do care about a lot of passenger issues.

3:21:37Luke Lafreniere:Why is nausea not one of them when it's just such a meme?

3:21:45Luke Lafreniere:My son listens to the show with me and your videos have him interested in tech and programming, but I worry about him watching other online content from tech bros. Any suggestions for young enthusiasts man this is one of those classic questions people ask me that i just really don't know the answer to because the truth is i just don't consume a lot of youtube sorry to wendell wendell's like the most wholesome person that i know level one text is a little technical but like he also explains things really well yes i figure if you watch enough level one text eventually you'll have some idea what the heck he's talking about.

3:22:27Linus Sebastian:This was a young enthusiast of what? Linux, was it?

3:22:31Luke Lafreniere:No, just tech and programming. Tech and programming.

3:22:41Linus Sebastian:I don't think Wendell goes over programming much. But tech. Tech, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of the YouTubers I watched when I was trying to learn programming. I don't know if they're even still around. Let's see if I can... If they are still...

3:23:10Luke Lafreniere:Maxwell in floatplane chat says, Hacksmith, Mark Rober, Michael Reeves, the one YouTube shorts guy? Is that what they're actually called or are you just memeing? Oh, Mandy says

3:23:24Linus Sebastian:A lot of stuff that he just mentioned is very fun on the entertainment side of things but not necessarily the education side of things

3:23:30Luke Lafreniere:Technology connections, sure Oh yeah, Bent Bob says Lori Wired That's a cool place to hang out

3:23:36Linus Sebastian:Definitely, that one would be really good especially for inspiration

3:23:39Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, okay, there's a few good ones

3:23:43Linus Sebastian:I haven't watched this channel since I went to BCIT So it's been a hot minute but I used to watch the new Boston for Java tutorials a million years ago.

3:23:59Luke Lafreniere:Oh my God. That's a name I haven't heard in a thousand years.

3:24:02Linus Sebastian:Do you recognize that name? Yes. Yeah. Oh, that hurts. Yeah. Java programming tutorial one installing the SDK from 17 years ago has 6.8 million views.

3:24:15Luke Lafreniere:Oh, Anihekaj has another really good one. Branch education is amazing.

3:24:20Linus Sebastian:Oh, branch education is sick.

3:24:23Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

3:24:23Linus Sebastian:That's a great one.

3:24:24Luke Lafreniere:That should be enough to keep them busy until it's time for you to order something else from the store.

3:24:28Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I like it.

3:24:30Luke Lafreniere:All right. Hit me down. Hey, Luke and Linus. My boss is the executive at my work, and I spend a lot of time ensuring he gets all his tasks done. As executives yourselves, do you have any insight how I can manage this better? Vance? Vance, are you still here? Yeah, you're asking the wrong person.

3:24:53Luke Lafreniere:uh i mean making sure that the calendar is like set up with realistic amounts of time for things

3:25:01Linus Sebastian:i think is really helpful um consider travel time when booking things yeah that's really helpful um try not to actually book things exactly back to back all the time because sometimes the brain needs a little bit of a reset or you need to grab a water or go to the washroom or there's travel time involved or something um i find a lot of my days i end up like pushing meetings back just constantly to the point where it's like almost a meme and one of the reasons why is because i'll have like six hours straight of meetings with zero breaks between them that often do involve some form of like travel time or something else and all of this is quite literally impossible

3:25:42Luke Lafreniere:like i yeah um be be cognizant of decision fatigue i'm going to use the horrible ai overview here we go a state of mental exhaustion caused by making repeated choices throughout the day um and every decision contributes to it it's it's actually really interesting it was something that i experienced for a lot longer than i knew what it was but like it was always very obvious to me that I should not think about my wardrobe at all in the morning. I should simply grab whatever t-shirt is at the top of my pile and whatever pants are at the top of my pile and just put them on because I don't have room in my brain to think about that and then also all the other things that I need to think about in a given day.

3:26:27Luke Lafreniere:And so it manifests in weird ways. When I'm having a really intense morning already, Vance will ask me, hey, do you want me to get something for you and for lunch? and I'll be like, uh, literally I can't think of what to eat. Um, and so that's just, it's like, it's obviously a super first world problem, but finding ways to manage out pointless decisions that don't matter, um, so that they have mental capacity left for things that actually do have an impact on the business is something that I would say would be helpful. Yeah. hi Linus as a fellow lover of soup dumplings I saw you went to Dintai Fung at Computex I've only been to one in the US and I'm wondering if it's the same in North America have you ever tried it in Canada I haven't I think they mean California um I we actually have one we have one we have one yeah where uh I looked earlier it was Alberni Port Alberni has it in Taifung.

3:27:37Luke Lafreniere:No, the street.

3:27:37Linus Sebastian:No, Alberni Street. It's in Vancouver.

3:27:40Luke Lafreniere:Oh, that's hilarious. Vancouver. It is on Alberni Street, yeah. Is that the same one?

3:27:47Linus Sebastian:Is it like a chain? It's the same company. Is it? Yeah.

3:27:51Luke Lafreniere:Locations.

3:27:52Linus Sebastian:As far as my understanding goes, it is, yeah.

3:27:54Luke Lafreniere:It's the same as all the other North America ones, but I don't see any actual Taiwan locations here Din Tai Fung North America okay I don't actually know if this is the same company my, ah man this is I'm going to get cancelled for this for sure Din Tai Fung is overrated there I said it I was excited to try it, I love dumplings I didn't say it's bad by all means try it it's not the best thing ever, it's the worst well no, no is it overrated?

3:28:33Linus Sebastian:Is it overrated because you've probably, I'm not exaggerating at all, had it 50 plus times?

3:28:40Luke Lafreniere:No, I've only been to Dintai Fung, I think, twice.

3:28:45Linus Sebastian:Ever? Yeah. There's no way. I've been with you to Dintai Fung more than two times.

3:28:49Luke Lafreniere:Okay, every time I've gone, I was with you then. Like, I've never gone there of, like, my own accord.

3:28:54Linus Sebastian:Okay. So, like, three times then.

3:28:58Luke Lafreniere:um like this the soup dumplings at the hole in the wall down the road from our hotel are better

3:29:04Linus Sebastian:just straight up better no that's true that is a really good spot like i just i've i have had and cheap and other soup dumplings at a variety of other places in taiwan that are worse and didn't i find one of the problems within tai feng is that it it is not the best it's really solid and it's very consistent and it's really expensive very expensive compared to pretty much

3:29:30Luke Lafreniere:everywhere else so expensive like i pay practically nothing for those ones down the street i watch them make them they taste freaking incredible and then din tai feng is like it's fine and to be clear i didn't say bad i just said solid overrated because people just like cream their freaking pants talking about how amazing din taifung is and i'm like yeah it's good but like it better be the best thing ever at that price and with that reputation and with that long of a wait to get

3:30:05Linus Sebastian:into it yeah like i i know people say like oh if you're coming to taipei you have to get din taifung no you don't say no if you're going to taipei you should get really good soup dumplings yes some really good Zhaolongbao

3:30:21Luke Lafreniere:I've had better beef noodles many many times I would say Din Tai Fung is like a solid B - for beef noodles that sounds about right

3:30:34Linus Sebastian:everything there other than their dumplings or kind of whatever it's fine it's also incredibly consistent I don't know if I've been basically anywhere that's as consistent as Dintai Fung is, which makes it pretty good. It's also, it's highly unoffensive and it's extremely consistent. So it makes it pretty good for like meetings. Yeah, it's kind of

3:30:58Luke Lafreniere:Westerner friendly. Like they have something to eat for the people in your party.

3:31:02Linus Sebastian:Basically everyone.

3:31:03Luke Lafreniere:Don't eat seafood or you know, whatever.

3:31:05Linus Sebastian:It's one of the easiest things to be like, oh, we have like 10 people and we all need to get dinner. What is a place we can all agree on? And usually that place does work. Yeah. Um... Yeah.

3:31:20Luke Lafreniere:Question for whoever feels like answering. Do you guys ever think we will have a solution for kernel-level anti-cheat on Linux? If yes, what can it be? Will I ever see LOL or BF running on Arch, by the way? Okay, I got an absolute wall of text about our discussion regarding anti-cheat on Linux a couple of weeks ago. Whoa. from someone who was very upset about it. Like, seriously, I'm still going.

3:31:54Linus Sebastian:I got some of my stuff taken pretty dramatically out of context on that topic.

3:32:01Luke Lafreniere:Basically, the take was there's really good tools in Linux for managing all of this, and it wouldn't be necessary to have kernel-level anti-cheat on Linux because of how well managed it is. But I acknowledge that no current distro has actually implemented this level of lockdown that would give developers the confidence to do it so it's maybe something for it to figure out later or something. I read the whole thing, but it was like a week ago or something like that when i read this yeah i read this about a week ago and i was just like okay so basically nothing that luke or i said about the unlikelihood of this happening due to the very open nature of linux is actually untrue um because the linux crowd is very like you know own your hardware do whatever you want with your hardware oh by the way also your software too the likelihood of this kind of a distro existing seems very low um

3:33:19Linus Sebastian:yeah it's i don't know the cheating situation is really really bad right now um all shooter games are rampant with it usually when shooter games have an open beta for a weekend people are found rage cheating on that one weekend like it's it's it's wild shooter games are basically cooked um counter-strike lobbies are just riddled with cheaters all the time there was a massive band wave recently um i was all pissed over tarkov years ago um and then lo and behold it just turned out it's every shooter game just has cheaters everywhere um they're also highly prevalent in like basically every other game um cheating is really brutal and really rampant right now and it's honestly like ruining competitive multiplayer gaming um are you sure you're not just unk actually yes um the cheating situation is way worse than the reason why the cheating situation is way worse than ever is because money is highly involved now

3:34:35Luke Lafreniere:um there's so much money which is crazy the reason the the only reason why i'm sure not just

3:34:40Linus Sebastian:to be clear because i could be um is because i watch people like shroud i think i talked about this on wancho before yeah i went back and played counter-strike are you sure shroud's not on servers i shroud is not on shroud is still a god i'm just kidding i'm just kidding when when shroud stops being a god, I'll probably be dead. But Shroud went back and played Counter-Strike on normal servers and there was a cheater in literally every lobby he was in. It's actually just, it's insane. So, it's a touchy subject. And having worse anti-cheat on Linux when the situation is as bad as it is can can suck for some people especially when it's an like an uneven playing field of anti-cheat if that makes sense where you can play the game on windows or linux but the linux one has like less anti-cheat than the windows one does um which could bring a bad reputation to linux because then there's a higher chance a higher perceived chance that the cheaters might be running Linux.

3:35:58Linus Sebastian:I don't know. It's a tough situation. I also am highly acutely aware that these kernel level anti-cheats exist in the environment of, oh my god, we've never seen this many cheaters before. So clearly they're not working anyways. It's a tough spot. I think there's a lot of people that don't want kernel level anti-cheat coming to Linux, and I can sure understand that that would blow i don't know how we solve the cheating problem

3:36:30Linus Sebastian:um i know that right now the main way that anti-cheat systems are getting on linux is they're just more lax than they are on windows or at least i believe that's what's happening um

3:36:46Linus Sebastian:again i don't really know if it matters that much if most of these cheats are getting around on these systems anyways. So.

3:36:56Luke Lafreniere:Just to clarify from my wall of text, nothing would prevent a regular distro and game developers from implementing it. But with all that context, and there was a lot, I'd say you might even be right in that who knows if companies will want to put in the time to make these things work.

3:37:17Yeah.

3:37:19Luke Lafreniere:So.

3:37:21Linus Sebastian:I yeah I just don't sorry I think we've got some lag issues I think cheaters are also spoofing being on Linux to get a lower anti-cheat even when they're on Windows I don't yeah I don't know it's just again I don't even know if it matters like we have this insane cheating problem and we have kernel level anti-cheat so it's like I don't know if it helps

3:37:49Luke Lafreniere:I was reading an article recently saying it's going to move even higher up the... I forget what even space we're in above kernel. Lower? Hold on. There's no way I'm going to be able to find this article right now. Forget it.

3:38:09Linus Sebastian:Yeah, Denrix is saying BF6 had a day one of beta cheat. There's someone else saying that Ark Raiders is a rampant cheating problem right now. it's what i'm finding is with basically every shooter game you have to wait for like with tarkov you have to basically wait for a wipe and then you can play for a couple months and then it gets too bad um with other games you have to wait for like a band wave or some major release and then you can play for a little bit and then it will get too bad um it's like the the the gaps between bandwaves are basically just unplayable um and it's kind of interesting because it's making this like cycle of first person shooter games where people will jump from game to game in between these bandwaves and like what an insane situation um griffon says firmware anti-cheat yeah

3:39:01Luke Lafreniere:i think it was like at the firmware level but i forget how they were trying to implement that i forget what that was supposed to look like um and i don't want to get anything wrong but it was like it was like even deeper embedded into the system and i just i forget what um what the kind of plan was what the direction we were going was and i mean again all of this is sort of uh it's an it's an it's a it's a it's an arms race that can never be won because in the age of machine vision and robotic arms which is coming you will be able to cheat without any software installed on the system at all at some point you know if you build a perfect anti-cheat someone will build a robot arm that emulates the slight you know movement of a human hand but then just moves as quickly as possible to I don't understand why people even want this as someone who just plays games for the fun of actually competing against people I don't understand why people are paying for this but if someone will pay for a software that moves the crosshair to their opponent then I see no reason why they wouldn't also pay for a hardware that moves their mouse across their mouse pad that moves the crosshair to the opponent it seems and they will play they will pay a ton of money

3:40:27Linus Sebastian:for that thing that you don't understand why they would pay for it. Some of these cheats are incredibly expensive and subscription basis as well. That was uncovered when people were diving into the Tarkov stuff. People were paying hundreds of dollars a month.

3:40:44Luke Lafreniere:Charge Nuclei says, just pay a better player to play the game for you. I mean, only trillionaires can afford that sort of thing.

3:40:53Linus Sebastian:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. yeah that also happens

3:41:01Luke Lafreniere:some more for you yeah hit me high bad cholesterol Luke any cool techie tours you've been on that you can talk about

3:41:12Linus Sebastian:techie tours hmm yes absolutely I don't know how much I can say about them we got to see Intel's performance testing lab. That was really cool. We got to see some stuff at Qualcomm. That was really cool. We got to see more recently some of the people from the lab went down to Puget Systems to see some of their like lab stuff similar to ours and talk shop for a while. That was really awesome. It was interesting to see kind of the differences, because they have a different use case for their lab than ours. They're mostly interested in testing hardware that they will be selling, if that makes sense.

3:42:08Linus Sebastian:So there's kind of a narrower scope of the things that they need to test. They're also testing patches of things to see if anything major changes or if things break or whatever. It's very interesting. Different goals, but very interesting.

3:42:26Linus Sebastian:What can I really say about them? It's been very surprising to me. Ooh. I've got to frame this in the right way.

3:42:42Yeah.

3:42:43Linus Sebastian:It's been very surprising to me how close tech YouTubers are to some of these really big companies in regards to their testing capabilities. Oh, yeah. I didn't realize how advanced the Tech YouTube space was, to be completely honest. I was expecting, walking into some of these big companies, seeing their performance testing labs and evaluation labs and having my brain explode. And I walked in there and was like, yeah, okay. I mean, I recognize most of this. There was some weird stuff. I'm gonna start getting more vague about where we were because I'm talking about areas that I wasn't able to bring a camera But there was some stuff that got into like the radio side of things Like wireless technologies that got a little like okay, that's interesting.

3:43:33Linus Sebastian:Yeah, um and Testing of like cameras and camera software and stuff that that also got pretty outside of the the wheelhouse of what i've seen from from obviously us included but tech youtubers in general um but in in regards to like standard performance yep yeah as soon as you walk into

3:43:57Luke Lafreniere:like a failure analysis lab you're gonna see single pieces of equipment that are worth more than our entire lab including the building yeah like we're we ain't doing that there's there's no stuff but when we're talking about performance testing measuring frame rates yeah they're at the mercy of they're at the mercy of software providers like max on the same way that we are to provide a usable benchmark yeah it's an industry-wide challenge yes interesting message to linus how happy were you when apple admitted that ios 26 was slow and buggy proving that it wasn't a skill. Listen, I knew it wasn't a skill issue already because like I didn't do anything and it would just have all these problems.

3:44:47Luke Lafreniere:Um, but I, I don't know the Apple faithful who just like glaze them endlessly are never going to, even when Apple themselves says it, they'll find a way to excuse it. Um, I wasn't even giving Apple a particularly hard time about it. I basically was just like i expect more from apple this is as bad as like a buggy android release and i got like crucified for it uh so yeah i know i knew i was right because i had so many bad experiences with it and yvonne is like fed up at this point she asked me to get her an android we almost went shopping for it in taiwan and then the tech mall that we were at didn't have any phone stores so we were going to just shoot an impromptu video of me buying a phone for her but um there were no stores you man she might like the experience dude i hate buying no experience do you have seen how much those cost i could buy her jewelry for that kind of money oh yeah they are crazy expensive what's up with that man yeah they're good shut uh so expensive though that's why you buy last year's model or get one from a co-worker i still haven't i still haven't wiped it i got it caught up because my steam guard was still on the old one and if i hadn't done that i would have been absolutely hooped oh geez at zeme no there is no difference between high-end and low-end apple devices and i'm not definitely right about the lower end of things i had a freaking the latest iphone what are you talking about this is what i'm talking about stop just stop engaging yeah move on move on next one hi ll and d the it department of the school i work at is restricting the use of MuseScore because it's open source.

3:46:31Luke Lafreniere:How would you explain or convince someone the safety of a long established project? Point at their phone. If they run an Android you say, hey, that's based on the AOSP an open source project. You need to relax. What are they talking about? They are in the pocket of Sibelius.

3:46:52Linus Sebastian:What's MuseScore? I'm assuming this is some music thing. Yeah, it's a music notation software. Okay. Free sheet music catalog. That is the worst, dude. What are we talking about?

3:47:05Luke Lafreniere:Tell them to ask an AI. Wait, this is the IT department. They should know better. That's what makes it so good. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's some other reason that is not the real reason and they're just not telling you the real reason. So you may never be able to find out the real reason, but until you know the real reason, you won't be able to make any argument or explain anything so that's that's that's the situation you're in right now there's no way that an it department at a school who knows enough about it to be running the it department at a school does not know about open source like there's just no

3:47:46Linus Sebastian:way i was i i not knowing what muse score was i i thought i misinterpreted that for a second and they banned the use of MuseScore because there was some other open source one that they wanted you to use and that would have made like more sense to me as an educational institution but my school IT department gave us all local admin that's fun maybe they just wanted you to learn things rapidly

3:48:17Luke Lafreniere:uh yeah okay next one hello ldl watching today while painting my nursery for my first kid do this month any diy painter tips slash first time dad advice well don't mix up the paint with the babies babies and paint are not a good combination so i think it's great that you're you know oh do this month oh dude uh you needed to paint this like a month ago the fumes are not going to be good you need to get on it finish it this weekend and then run a fan in there like continuously don't put the baby in there for a little bit um so there there's one i got one for you there's a tip um what else we got here yeah good enough yep hello l d and lowercase l with how easy ai generation of creators has become what advice do you have for femme creators to protect themselves uh i mean i wish i could offer some advice on that i don't know how to protect ourselves i i think i i think i mentioned this last WAN show, but I was chatting with an automotive creator and they were saying like, oh yeah, no, like AI generated slop is like a real challenge for our space.

3:49:38Luke Lafreniere:And I was like, sorry, why? And they were basically just like, because you can just generate cars doing like crazy stunts and people the same, at the end of the day, it's zero sum, right? Like people have a finite amount of eyeball time per day and every minute they spend looking at ai slop of you know uh a goat car you know drifting around a supermodel or whatever is time that they're not spending looking at the content that was made by real people with you know real cars or whatever And it was something that I hadn't really thought about enough. Like I, yeah, like I'm aware of the concept of that, like when the Super Bowl is on, actually YouTube viewership goes down.

3:50:27Luke Lafreniere:You know, like I know these things, but the scale at which this just sort of generated garbage content is being produced now is, it's like the Super Bowl running all the time compared to, or sorry, something running all the time, I'm taking that attention away from, you know, real life creators. And I don't have good advice for how to safeguard ourselves from AI and from generated content in any form, whether it's just broad challenges of attention being sucked away, or whether it's more specifically, you know, fem niche or tech niche or car niche or whatever niche it is.

3:51:17Linus Sebastian:I think being explicit with your audience about what you're okay with and what you're not is genuinely helpful. Like you've made it clear a number of times that you're actually not cool with your AI likeness being used.

3:51:34Linus Sebastian:your audience can be surprisingly helpful in these situations of just because you can't be everywhere but people that know what you're okay with can be many places I don't know, weird sentence but as long as those people can point it out as long as those people can report it it can be really helpful I've seen it before so

3:52:01Luke Lafreniere:yeah a couple more for you hey linus are there ever any hardware i guess hardware stuff that you fear will be taken off the market or scalped because of a shout out you've made yeah sure i actually checked this one ahead of time and i had a couple ready for you i'm a big fan of the rockat sova lap board it's in my opinion the best lap board oh yeah we have them all over the place Well, it's because I bought a couple of them because I knew that Rockette was going away and it was discontinued. And it's these are both parts only for fifty five and eighty five dollars respectively. OK, I might have already done it then.

3:52:40Luke Lafreniere:They used to be a little easier to get your hands on. I have like three of them just in case they die. And then another one is Optane. Dude, Optane is. Yeah. Is goaded and especially feels especially relevant today. if only Intel and Micron could have held it together long enough to meet the demands of the AI boom, they would literally not be able to keep Optane on the shelf right now. The demand would be astronomical. And it would also have been such a huge competitive advantage for their server hardware that would be compatible with like Optane DIMMs and stuff. Oh my God, Optane was such a, it was like the biggest missed opportunity of the last 10 years in tech, in my opinion okay that's a that's a huge statement but it's it's up there it's up there from like a financial standpoint the missed opportunity here is like man intel just can't miss an opportunity to miss over the last little bit and optane was by far the biggest one

3:53:42Luke Lafreniere:and last one i got for you hey linus what is your opinion on the new final fantasy resonance that was recently announced um my only opinion on it is that it's finally time once it comes out for me to play these damn games i refuse to play part one of a series before the rest of it i still have not read game of thrones because i am waiting for george rr martin to finish writing these damn books which it seems like he will never do uh i read the first one and then i was like wait he's not done writing them that and i stopped reading them and um

3:54:21Linus Sebastian:that's so funny i'll wait i i bought a box set of them and then realized he wasn't done

3:54:28Luke Lafreniere:writing it so i've never opened it why are we so similar i was hearing you describe this

3:54:36Linus Sebastian:and then like the same series oh that was pretty good

3:54:45Luke Lafreniere:oh man for what it's worth the first book's great

3:54:50Linus Sebastian:yeah no i i'm looking forward to it yeah yeah

3:54:56Luke Lafreniere:you guys um that's all i don't like getting into shows that aren't done either i procrastinated through the entire game of thrones tv series and i felt so good that i was behind the entire curve yeah anyway that's all I got alright that's all I got then we will see you guys next week same bad time same bad channel are we going to manage to both be here in studio next week I think it's been almost a month

3:55:25Linus Sebastian:I'm there in studio are you there in studio

3:55:27Luke Lafreniere:nice I think we're all here then alright good stuff see you guys there bye

3:55:40out