Amazon (AWS) Broke The Internet - WAN Show October 24, 2025

44:24It do be gambling. All right. Luke, you're sort of in charge because I don't have the schedule. Okay. We have 10 minutes to do another topic. We can do a short one. Want to do this? jet engines used to supplement power for growing ai data centers uh while some u.s data center operators have been having troubles getting increased grid power allotted they've turned to aero derivative gas turbines effectively retired commercial aircraft engines bolted into trailers for supplemental power there are facilities pause can we pause for a second i saw this headline what a name i saw this said like that is that is the most ridiculous euphemism that i think i have ever heard aero derivative gas turbines they're not aero derivative you insincere pieces they are literally they are literally based on the ge cf6 adc2 and lm6000 literally the turbines used on boeing 767s and airbus 310s these are they're they're jet engines from actual jets what are we what are what timeline are we on now i have completely lost all ability to follow What is going on in the world?

45:59How does this make any sense? Okay, Luke. My favorite part is that this might mean that when probably a ton of people in the audience asked their version of ChatGPT if there was a seahorse emoji that was powered by jet engines. It literally went burr, Luke. Yeah, exactly. it's just at a certain point you just have to laugh man like some of the some of the stuff like you're looking at meta and and uh open ai and all these companies releasing these like slop scrolling apps and those are powered by jet engines like whoa what are we doing what's wrong with us man it's like everyone's mad at my girl taylor swift for flying around in her private plane but everybody's but at least she's basically flying jets all the time at least she's bringing music to the people oh my goodness yeah your your chat gpt thing just just output wrong seahorse emojis at least she's like uh doing a task and then flying home and then doing a task and then flying home but anyways um the those turbine cores that that Linus mentioned, can deliver up to 48 megawatts of power apiece.

47:24Okay, we need to make PK7's comment in floatplane chat a thing. I need the official new mascot. I'm sorry, Luke, your budgies are out. The WAN show has a new bird mascot, the Ability Toucan. We're gonna make a bird. We're gonna make a bird. And sometimes... So the bird's going to be like our, it's going to be our canary. Okay. And whenever something just too ridiculous happens, our bird goes away. And I've lost my ability to can. I just can't anymore. I like it. I'm serious right now. I want this to be a thing. I want the ability to can. I think it's pretty serious. We need an emoji for that then.

48:08Because then people can spam it in chat. All right. We're going to need it. We're going to need it. Yeah. I was. Okay. were you surprised at how much power a jet turbine generates like i thought a lot of it would be yeah but i thought i thought by just strapping it to a trailer um that there would be a just a wild amount of waste and i'm sure there still is but 48 megawatts is a lot uh yeah yeah yeah yeah they really gotta bolt that thing down i'm gonna go back to this when you see the supports okay hold on i haven't i haven't actually looked at the pictures yet i need to see the pictures it's pretty nice hit me with this hit me with this oh my god i don't know imagine being the engineer oh okay yeah luke a real actual engineer was given the task to build a rig that prevents a jet engine from doing the one literal thing that it's supposed to do, move.

49:20Yeah. Also that I can generate an AI video of S-Van pouring milk into a cargo shorts pocket. That's what's going on. This is important. This is good. I'm happy we did this. there's that whole thing about how like civilization basically progresses by its ability to harness more and more power. Um, maybe we needed this. Dyson sphere, baby. Yeah. Maybe this is, maybe this is one continual step towards the Dyson sphere. Fantastic. I just, man, do you know how much it costs like to run one of these engines? Let's see. LM 6000.

50:10like i can i can tell you right now one of those planes would cost potentially you know 20 grand an hour in the air i don't know how much of that is the engines and how much of that is other stuff but like easily the fuel cost easily like uh of an lm6000 is 2905 us dollars per hour or at least That's what the AI summary overview powered by the jet engine told me. I thought it would make sense if I used the jet engine powered output to say what the jet engine took in regards to fuel. Normally, I would skip over that section. The not so bright says, imagine the cost of fuel. How is this cost effective compared to diesel engines?

50:55Yeah, like why are we using jet fuel? is jet fuel not more expensive than actually i mean diesel's like diesel's gotten expensive like it was in my lifetime that diesel was cheaper because it's like lower grade or whatever steel beams to attach it to the trailer and jet fuel can't melt steel beams so they so they thought it would be structurally sound do i dig a 9-11 joke they thought no i'm gonna do it They thought it would hold together. Stop. A second ding has hit the joke. I'm done. I'm out. The landfill has gone too far. I can no longer be party to this. I'm sorry. I can't help myself. Oh, man.

51:43Okay. Fuel consumption. Oh, my God, you guys. Consumption. No, okay. Anyway, apparently Jet A is basically kerosene, says someone in chat. And it doesn't look that expensive according to the AI overview. Powered by jet engines. The average price is about$5.63 a gallon. What's diesel? How much is diesel? I haven't bought diesel in forever. Okay. Way cheaper. But then I have no idea what the energy density of diesel and Jet A are, and I have no idea what the efficiency of it. I would think a diesel engine would be the most efficient, right? But maybe there's a long lead time on large diesel generators?

52:31I think there is. Like data center scale ones, I think there is. Yabalrid says jet fuel is not taxed the same and is surprisingly cheap for what it is. Yeah, see, that's the whole thing. Like I alluded to earlier, in my lifetime, diesel has gone from being like kind of a cheap byproduct fuel of the gasoline that drives the petroleum industry to being the more to being having the price driven up by demand from like like cargo ships and industrial vehicles to the point where even though the diesel is like the lower grade like crappier product it's it's the it's the more expensive is race fuel more expensive than jet fuel i don't know i don't even know what race fuel is wait people in china are telling me that jet a is diesel you got to be kidding me yeah race fuel is apparently significantly more expensive than jet fuel that's that's well race fuel is super pure or something right i'm not i'm I'm not a fuel expert, guys.

53:40At all. I just find it kind of interesting that race fuel is lead. Oh, wow. Yeah, no, it's just super, super high octane. Oh, interesting. Casper Explorer says diesel is not crappy. And Danvide says it contains more energy than gasoline. I've thought that about diesel, to be honest. I thought it contained more energy than gasoline. Diesel needs to be compressed, not ignited. and Jet-A needs something volatile because it's got the burnery things that ignite it. I would expect a power out of it. AI overview. Here we go. We're only using AI for the rest of this topic. We have to turn the jet engines.

54:22We have to power the jet engines. Jet fuel and diesel are both kerosene-based distillates but differ in additives, sulfur content, and performance characteristics. Jet fuel has less lubricity and higher sulfur content, making it unsuitable for modern diesel engines, which require lubricity additives and have low sulfur requirements. Conversely, diesel fuel is oilier, has a higher freezing point than some jet fuels, and is not ideal for jet engines. Okay. Nice. Good to know. We should find ways to work them harder. We should just keep AI searching things the whole show. Oh my God. I love this so much.

55:06Oh, my God. I'm posting this in chat. Dan, if you want to switch this over.

55:15In the meantime, Bryce2113 says, my brother works for one of the leading providers of data center and hospital generators. They're diesel, and they take at least a year to get. The major players get priority, and they're shipped to them by the dozens, but human labor can only go so fast, and there's limited skilled talent these days. Also, keep in mind, they're usually sold as entire enclosures. transit is difficult to since they're massive. Yeah, we saw these when we did the tour at Equinix. They had their whole diesel generator room, and they're just huge. And yes, a jet engine is huge, but these diesel generators are absolutely enormous.

55:53So it makes sense that if you're just desperate for power right now and you're in this AI development arms race that is just a money printing and money burning machine at the same time, a circular money jerk of sorts, then it makes sense that you would just be looking for whatever is the fastest way to get more power. And what could be faster than a jet engine? Yeah. Dan, do you want to throw that on screen?

56:29building sevens fall rate um explain cw announced and explain two merch messages oh well no i want to see the thing first i'm just saying that's what's next you don't have to do it this second oh i see i see i see i think we were supposed to buy them time though weren't we dan have you heard from them

56:53what no what what you wanted something in your dan i yeah yeah i posted a link in chat oh you wanted me to show that yeah the it's hilarious aviation thing yeah oh okay i just shared it in the other chats my bad one moment yeah yeah throw it throw it up throw it up it's It's hilarious. I don't even know if I can share it. I can share it. I got it. I don't know. Here we go. Thank you. I'm done. There it is. Very funny. This is awesome.

57:27Getting it done. You'll love to see it.

57:37That's pretty sick. it i i'm sure it's right but it looks so wrong oh yeah yeah uh radon 428 in chat says hey linus maybe go visit marine turbo.com luke do you want to fire that up sure on a special super interesting something as a biker you might like their 273 mile per hour helicopter turbine powered bike There's a whole industry around timed out aviation engines. Marineturbo.com. Maybe.us? No. .com I don't think is a thing. Power generation, airboats and special projects. I'm on the site right now. It was linked by Raiden428.

58:32mtt commissions its latest monster airboat configuration Do you mean.co.uk? I mean exactly what I'm saying. Marineturbo.com Raiden428 has it in the chat.

58:56So marine turbine. Turbine, turbine, turbine. Sorry, sorry. Sorry, my bad, my bad. Okay, I will share it now. Nice. sorry guys listen i am very many time zones off and it is very early in the morning which means that it is the evening and my brain should be functioning correctly and yet it's not i was like bruh this is definitely not a website i don't know what you're talking about i don't even understand i don't know what i'm looking at what are we looking at so go to uh go to okay yeah i what an adrenaline rush like none other on the planet turbine motorcycles if you go to um fifi airboats and special projects and click on airboats and work boats there's what looks like a giant hovercraft to carry excavators

59:58that's sick i don't know cool imagine this being your business basically redneck redneck engineering for a living if you're gonna embed it like that just link it on youtube or something that sucks that these are gone oh this one's here

1:00:21i mean sure

1:00:25Yeah, I mean those aren't those aren't jet engines or anything but still big old turbines Those aren't jet engines or anything but dude that thing's crazy All right, well anyway, we can move on didn't expect we'd be pulling the mat up today

1:00:50okay uh cw knows dan are they ready or should we buy them time have they messaged you seems to be updated nice all right cw announce uh no it doesn't what are you talking about oh he got rid of the line uh oh but weren't we supposed to buy them time so they could put it back and then they remove it just in case can you check on that can you message the guy and we can do a topic real quick okay nice um samsung launched the first android xr headset after nearly a year since google initially revealed their operating system for headsets samsung's samsung's galaxy xr is the first mixed reality headset powered by Android XR for$1 ,800 US dollars.

1:01:40Half of the Apple Vision Pro. That's terrifying. The Galaxy XR sports the new Snapdragon XR2 Plus Gen 2 chip, micro OLED display, full-handed eye tracking, 256 gigs of storage, and camera-enabled AI. The goal of Galaxy XR's integration with AI is to be more proactive in situations that require awareness of our apps and what we're seeing in the real world simultaneously. Google's Samir Samat did mention that you can choose which apps are visible to AI, which is relatively important, unless it decides to look at other ones. And also for now, like Linus said. The UI UX reportedly looks very similar to both the Apple Vision Pro and the MetaQuest, which makes complete sense, to be honest.

1:02:27CNET, there's an image of the UI on a demo. okay that is very generic and normal and kind of boring and bubbly okay sounds good um while you can access would you want something super no not necessarily not for that screen not particularly cool it just is what it is uh while you can access like a chrome browser yeah everything's going to the bubbliness now that i don't know how i feel about like youtube controls are all bubbly now oh dude right i feel like we're doing the heck the equal but opposite move of the windows 8 everything no matter what has to be a square now it's like everything no matter what has to be a bubble and it's like yeah we didn't need either of these we could have just chilled out in the middle and that would have been totally fine forever uh thank you very much anyways um that's not how trendiness works unfortunately you are very correct uh while you can access any app from Google Play out of the box.

1:03:28Google reworked apps like Maps, YouTube, and more specifically for XR. For example, but not their own. For example, Google Photos, you can turn your existing library of 2D photos into 3D so you can step into your memories. Sounds like a black mirror there is the comment left and I don't entirely disagree, but not quite yet. It actually sounds kind of cool though. It does sound pretty neat. I would definitely try that with a couple. Google also ensured support for OpenXR, WebXR, and Unity, so there will be more new apps and experiences to come in the future. Samsung COO Wanju Choi did mention that they aren't aiming to replace smartphones with the release of new XR tech, but he believes they will complement and provide experiences people wouldn't have gotten with smartphones.

1:04:23well i'm really glad he wasn't intending to replace smartphones because that was never going to happen well okay with this release that was never going to happen um in the very long term do you think smart glasses have a shot charade's been wearing um meta the the clear the clear meta glasses i super do i don't think these ones do uh well that's not gonna happen yeah so yeah he's been wearing the oakley um transparent ones yeah on this trip and he commented last night that he's like really impressed with them so far and i was like oh yeah how come and he goes i've been using them all day been wearing them all day and uh i got back to the hotel room just now they were at like 30 battery i popped them on the charger and in just like a few minutes they were charged back up and now my battery life's great and this is like right before we went out for dinner and i was like okay but like other than being powered like what have you done with them and he's like oh man like i can use them i can ask meta to do currency conversion for me and i was like i've been with you all day you did that one time and it would have been just as fast you literally keep your phone in your chest pocket like it would have been just as fast to use your phone he's like ah but this is cooler but he's a trendy guy though he is no he likes them to be clear no but what i'm saying is if he likes them they might take off to be clear he's also taken the piss a little bit but he also pointed out that he used them to listen to music um when we were on the when we were in a shuttle and i was like yes i noticed that arty's in chat going they're great as discreet headphones lol um arty i can i'm sad to be the one who has to inform you that they're not that discreet I was able to clearly hear everything that Sherrod was listening to.

1:06:35So make of that what you will. If you're comfortable with people hearing what you're listening to, that's totally fine. It wasn't super obnoxious. It wasn't any worse than like an open back headphone or anything like that, but no, very much, very much listenable. So yeah, he used them as headphones and as,

1:06:57and as. a currency conversion one time. And to check a currency conversion. He also did discreetly take a picture when people didn't realize he was taking a picture. So he took a picture of us having a group picture taken of us. And it was funny because one of the brands that we worked with while we were here had, they asked us if they could do like a behind the scenes of our video shoot for their own channels. And we were like, oh, yeah, that kind of sounds okay. Like, it's going to be pretty small, right? They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They had a crew of, I kid you not, it felt like 10 people following us around the whole day.

1:07:45So this picture that they're taking, Sherrod has a picture of the giant crew that was taking the picture. So it's pretty funny. That's kind of cool, actually. Okay, Artie, I know you love your metaglasses. I'm not saying they're completely useless. He points out they're amazing for recording rollercoaster POVs. I'm not saying they don't have any use. I'm just saying clearly we are very, very far away from replacing a smartphone. And honestly, Luke, I don't know if ever. It is just not more efficient to use natural language instruction compared to tapping on a screen for a lot of things. like this is kind of like that conversation recently where ever is going to be incorrect for sure you're definitely wrong i can i can say ever hold on and i'm gonna say ever i'm definitely wrong give me a second okay because we we recently had this conversation yet again when some microsoft executive said that the keyboard and mouse was going away and we're like no it's not because it's just always going to be faster to move something this far wait to move something this far and have that translated to something this far on a screen then moving your whole hand that far literally by definition that will always be faster that's not the argument and in the same and it so well the argument is that you won't need the other thing anymore right yeah and there is always going to be okay tell tell me this tell me this let's use let's use a use case that tech companies love to use because the people who work on their use case examples and the people who work on these presentations have money to travel.

1:09:34So they're always talking about travel, even though most people don't travel and certainly don't travel regularly. Okay, let's talk about travel. You are researching flights. On your screen, whether that screen is attached to your eye holes or attached to your pocket computer or attached to your laptop or desktop there are some flight options what will always be the fastest way to select the one that you want are you talking what device or physically how i would do it uh clicking on it I don't know. Eye tracking could get us there, but we're always going to have to have a way to indicate that that, because we can't just have things randomly click on when we look at them.

1:10:27Yes, you need the selection. So there's always going to have to be a gesture or an eye blink or a neural thing that we're going to have to train ourselves to do. Like there's going to have to be something. and in that time it will always have been faster to move my finger and go like this always i don't think so so that's that's the point well how will it be faster that's that's my question neural links like you were mentioning not eye tracking because like you said the the confirmation of input is the issue with eye tracking i mean the confirmation of input is yeah the nia was from freaking ocz and like 20 years ago i get it and you're saying ever so if we're talking a hundred years in the future you think we're still gonna be using computer mice yeah i i actually yeah i think so a hundred years japan still japan is phasing out floppy disks we're not talking about japan no we're not talking about japan japan will absolutely still be using computer mice okay that was a very bad might be using fax machines 100 years from now that was a bad faith argument but i think i know and and we technically you're saying forever so it could be 700 years from now if uh if the earth still exists and we haven't nuked humanity into non-existence um i i think at some point in time the computing as a whole will dramatically change and I think it's going to be because neural input and output is going to be a very wild thing.

1:12:12I do not think we are even sort of close. I don't know if we're going to see that in our lifetimes, but saying forever is crazy, I think. There's no way we see that in our lifetime, man. Like I'm trying to think of what would be the infrastructure involved in neural interfaces that are so ubiquitous that you could you could make a good faith argument that we have moved on from from tapping on things from from using our hands from using these multi-million year evolutionary marvels um oh it's gonna get weird maybe this is maybe this is my lack of imagination right but i'm having a hard time imagining a technology that would allow us to non-invasively read the mind so it'll be invasively for sure so if it's going to be invasive i'm having a hard time imagining with us people aren't going to do it no no i'm not saying people won't do it i'm just saying that we are we're squishy and imperfect and and messy and we're all a little different and i'm having a hard time imagining something that is commodity enough to invasively be implanted in the mind that will work that will stay functional over the span of like like aging and and injury and sickness and all the things that happen in our messy, messy, messy bodies.

1:13:50I, um, yeah, I don't know, man. It's going to be, it's going to be pretty wild. When Bingo says, uh, eye tracking and then training everybody to wiggle their ears from a young age. Ear wiggle. It could be a great click method for smart glasses. Ear wiggles. Yeah. dragon tamer says the neural link input guy has talked about not missing in games he doesn't miss i mean look i i i'd be i'd be excited for neural inputs to get super good and super affordable i just i don't know dude it's gonna be i have a hard time imagine it being relaxing maybe that's maybe that's what i'm getting kind of so give us so give us uh just a little bit just give us a little bit give us like uh 600 ish years we'll figure it out

1:14:54the printing press was like pretty cool today mind-blowing like like you wouldn't have conceived of the printing press as like a person who wasn't trying to invent it uh maybe part of my problem is I'm just a little pessimistic right now. I think it's easy to be. I'm glad you brought up the printing press because I don't know if you know this, but Western literacy rates are falling at an alarming rate right now. And so I'm sitting here going, okay, let's say we do figure this out. A device that we put on in the morning and it has a wireless charging interface on one side and just uses our body heat for power so we don't have to worry about batteries.

1:15:39And then it has like a close proximity high-speed data link on the other side that interfaces with like a brain wiring thing that's set up inside our mind or whatever. So we put on this thing. Let's go even further to the hypothetical future. And let's say they're contact lenses or whatever. There's been a lot of talk about that. Yeah. so i i do what i scroll generated slop videos that are literally created by tapping into my own subconscious mind to give me a drip feed of whatever it is that i most want to see and experience in the entire world and i just sit there in my chair is this really am i am i getting have I reached old man yells at cloud this future doesn't look like the future can we stop now that doesn't mean you're right about keyboards

1:16:45dude I don't know I don't think you're wrong but you can definitely scroll with a neural interface oh yeah no no and this is what people want yeah with the yeah oh god yeah I mean oh lordy the yeah

1:17:07oh my brain hurts um

1:17:14yeah i man can you imagine when they figure out how to tap into the part of your brain that lucid dreams and you can just press you can just open up the lucid dream app on your freaking neural interface thing and you can just like start lucid dreaming. You can dream about... We don't need a holodeck. Dream about... But that's going to be the way to do it. Arby's. Yeah, do it with brain drugs. New burger on available stores coming soon. From Arby's? I don't even think they'll need... Just inject advertisements right into your lucid dreams. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever dreamt of a phone, Linus?

1:17:59Have you ever had a phone in one of your dreams? Have you heard about this? We could just have... Have I ever had a phone in a dream? Have you heard about this idea? I haven't. I don't think I have. You have is really interesting. You're the first person I've ever asked that to that has said yes. Yeah, I had a dream once that the office was invaded. And so I was using my phone to type security code words and stuff. interesting yeah i just needed it so it's it's like it's it's very much the same reason that i have a phone in real life that i have a phone in my dream because i need to do stuff with it yeah yeah sorry i wish it was a more interesting answer um it's interesting that it's as a tool though so that that might make a little bit i would i never i was not using it i I wasn't like like recreationally using it.

1:18:59I don't think I've ever dreamed of recreationally playing a video game. I don't think I've ever recreationally recreationally using my phone for sure. No,

1:19:12dude, I can't wait until the apps on your frickin smart glasses are just things like lucid dream now and just like dopamine hit now because it's all just going to be it's all just going to be wired up and it's going to give you like an electrical impulse in your brain and you can just be like it's freaking it's going to be like opioid addiction on steroids and on opium you'll just be like dopamine dopamine to dopamine to dopamine like faster than you can think it you'll be able to just like hit the dopamine button dude this is going to be wild and then they're going to monetize it

1:19:50yep yep every WAN show. It's amazing how we reach a new level of this is all just going to be dystopia.

1:20:04Blundetto says just press the nut button. They're going to make special underwear. Yeah, for sure. We're going to have man pads. I think it'll just auto evacuate.

1:20:28all right uh should we do the cw announcement do you want me to do it i can do it uh just yeah just introducing i can do it if you want to put up the screen cap sure or the screen but i got you sorry i'm i'm sad right now you're good i still don't see it in the collection, Dan. Oh, God. I thought you said it's there. What do you mean? The thing? Good. I have no idea what they're talking about right now, so I'm just gonna sit here and stall for time. I checked the global one and it's there. I checked the US one and it's not there. That's what it says in the note. I think you guys are talking about the desk pad.

1:21:15I didn't check the note. I didn't know it was only in one of them okay i found it we're good all right introducing the glitch collection we've got three new items launching on ltd store today including the glitch t-shirt featuring a unique hem pattern at the bottom of the shirt uh that's an that's that's a very boring description for basically lisa did a cool design that was sort of inspired by like a like a smashed broken lcd panel with the oh like with the yeah that is really cool yeah so it's supposed to be a little bit of smash broken panel a little bit of like gpu memory artifacting um and it's it's just meant to to kind of you know inspire memories of push that overclock too hard or uh dropped my laptop you know i think it's awesome i think it's pretty cool the me saying this is gonna immediately make it not that so i'm sorry but i think it's like kind of the swaggiest shirt we've released i think it's like actually just raw cool it just looks cool and like so many of our designs over the years it's meant to be like if you know you know tech inspired yeah just genuinely cool and you can actually wear it there is no logo is there uh there's one inside the inside the back of the nape of the neck yeah i mean like uh visible on the outside of the shirt yeah i mean we've we've taken a pretty light branding approach for many years now i think i can say multiple multiple years now and it's it's always baffling to me when people say i love the ltt store stuff but there's just too much branding on it.

1:23:05It's like, bro, you got no idea what branding looks like. We're pretty, we take a pretty light touch when it comes to branding. I don't think this one has a logo on it. I don't think so. I think it looks really cool though. We also have a lenticular pin that changes depending on where you view it from as part of the Glitch collection. And we've got this design on a brand new desk pad. The desk pad is on the global site now. So that's Canada plus worldwide and will be available on the US site shortly. They just haven't arrived at our US warehouse yet. So if you're from the US and you want to purchase a Glitch desk pad, maybe hold off on your purchase until they are available.

1:23:42Shop now at lmg.gg slash glitch. I actually kind of wonder if this is one of those cases where we should have just set up back orders. I haven't been in town, so I didn't really have a chance to talk to the team about it. in general i'm very opposed to pre-orders and back orders but if it's something where it's just like yeah the truck is like 10 blocks away um then maybe i don't know yeah the trade situation with the u.s did literally just change so is there another one another change yeah man yeah i've been out of the loop what is it now within the last i think 24 hours uh trump said trade talks are off with canada why why this time he's he's saying no he's saying it's because an advertisement that was being ran inside of canada by uh some level of government saying that tariffs are bad um but a lot of the speculation that i'm seeing is that it's actually because uh canada is in trade talks with china right now about strengthening our trade relations oh we should keep doing that yeah um merch messages you want to explain it and i'll try to be the guide um or i can't i just thought it would be funny to do it this way if you guys uh if you guys want to uh interact with the show we don't want you to just throw money at the screen because we think that when you throw money at your screen you should get quality merchandise in return instead of just an acknowledgement from a streamer or whatever i actually thought um oh crap i'm gonna get it wrong it was it was one of the it was one of the like like no life react to everything streamers i can't remember which one but someone someone recently yeah yeah yeah yeah it was one of them i'm i'm so what did he do what what did they do basically they were like hey yeah don't donate to me i'm rich enough and i thought that was super cool was that moist uh sure didn't that happen a while ago i think he's done it multiple times yeah apparently it was moist critical yeah cool he's done that before it was recently regarding the whole youtube members only content thing when we turned off our members only content um anyway the point is uh yeah he was he was like yeah don't don't donate to me you shouldn't be donating to me we have felt that way for a very very very long time which is why we created merch messages so instead of instead of donating um you should just like get high quality merchandise if you want to support the show obviously that's not as profitable for us as just taking your money, but we take pride in what the Creator Warehouse team creates, like the Glitch desk pad that you guys are looking at right there.

1:26:40And we think that we make quality products that last a long time. And we think it's just a way cooler, healthier way for us to grow and to support our team. And also for you guys to get great high quality products. So all you got to do to send a merch message to interact with the show is add something to your cart on lttstore.com. when we're live you're going to see a little box that's going to give you an opportunity to fill out your merch message that'll go to producer dan hey there he is you can pick your color for your merch message you can anonymize your name or you can have your name show up and then dan will either pop it up on the screen with like a little acknowledgement you could be like hey what's up mom how you doing jerry uh or you can uh ask a question and if your question is something that Dan can answer, or even if it's something that he can't, he might just, you know, reply to you and say something irrelevant, or he might answer it, or he might forward it to someone who can get back to you, or he might curate it.

1:27:38And then it'll go to me and Luke, and we will talk about your merch message.

1:27:46That's right. We've got a few in already. We've got a couple here. Oh, also, if you allow your email to be shared, then I can also send you over to support if you have something that might be relevant for our team to follow up with um got one here from jonathan hey dlo no it is not luke and i sorry hold on we're having an argument about grammar oh i love semantics the way to tell if it's luke and i or me and luke is which one of those words would have applied properly to you so if you remove the other sentence because i went to the store Dan is really mean to me and Luke because Dan is really mean to me it's that easy and nobody knows that which is like crazy because like when I was in school nobody ever explained that to me I had to figure that out on my own I was like how do I figure out these rules and I like I kind of like came up with that and then I looked it up and it's like that's totally a thing but no teacher ever explained that to me, which drove me crazy.

1:28:54So knowing how easy it is, it drives me even more nuts when people do it wrong because it's actually that easy. Isn't that crazy? Anyway, sorry, Dan, go ahead. Chat trying to grammar Nazi, the grammar Nazi is a battle to behold. Me fail English? That's impossible. um hey dll love the show a question for linus how is the ldt bit case coming along oh good yeah i've got one with me right now uh oh i am tethered but i mean they've seen it on the show before you have showed it off a couple times yeah not everyone has you assume everyone watches every video they do every single person does every way show viewer comes back every week because the ones that I interact with are Flowplane Chat, and a lot of them actually do.

1:29:49You mean to tell me people don't watch every week?

1:29:55Disgusting.

1:30:01What is it? He's just... We've seen it like so many times. He didn't need to go... I want to show people my travel loadout. Oh, cool. Okay, that's kind of neat. All right, that adds a spin to it. Yeah, he's okay with it. This is my way of carrying everything that I need when I'm traveling without having anything that looks too suspicious. So in one bag, because I'll usually have my roller bag, like my carry-on size roller bag, and then I'll have a personal item. I'll have a backpack. So in one bag, I will keep my stubby screwdriver. So this is well under the limit of every customs and security authority that I have ever encountered.

1:30:44I think I figured out where you're going with this. In there. Okay. Then I'll carry my LTT bit case. I lost one. So CW made me a new one that has my name printed on it. Thank you, CW. Appreciate you. I think it was probably tying in. And then I've got all the bits that I will generally need in there that are not part of like the standard bit set. So I got my Torx. I've got my Imperial hex, my metric hex, and then I have a couple specialty ones. This is kind of my loadout for this. So I keep those together. And then separately in my other bag, I will keep a shaft extension. So then I can convert my stubby screwdriver into, so you can still use the knurling and everything.

1:31:29And then I've got my bit set because I could see getting a precision set taken just because it's so obviously extremely sharp and pointy. And like, it just looks really weird in the scanner. but this and this alone without the shaft extension is just like yeah it's a little it's a short tool which you're allowed to have and then the shaft extension on its own is nothing it's just a metal it's a metal second you were like i put the stubby in this bag i was like i know exactly what he's doing yeah so this is this is my travel kit that's fantastic so that i can uh yeah it's in Darestrick says I had an iFixit screwdriver taken in Sydney that doesn't surprise me at all whereas this and to be clear this is not advice I'm not this is not advice if you take your stubby screwdriver and if all your stuff gets taken I'm not liable I'm not responsible it's always kind of up to them I have not had trouble with this in the past but you never know when you're going to run into a TSA agent who's having a bad day or whatever and at the end of the day it's it's their judgment call so um i've had good luck with it but your mileage may vary i forget what the question was did i answer it bit when when when arriving bit case oh oh oh okay why don't you move on to the next one while i look that up then okay sure how are you gentlemen uh it's not a question just got exclamation points don't answer i lost base i belong to us ever i lost a bunch No way to survive.

1:33:06Make your time. I can't handle this, man. You have no chance to survive. Damn. Oh, nearly. I lost a bunch of weight this year, and I'm reloading on newer, smaller shirts. Are any of you working on any long-term personal goals right now? And if so, how are those going? My house not being a mess. That's the only thing. Sorry, Dan. Nope. Nope. We're not able to talk about that yet. I didn't think so. That is not nearly as important as this. Dan, you need to show this to the stream.

1:33:40I will ask no questions This is tremendously important Give me one second Come on, come on, here we go Okay, is everybody ready? Luke, are you ready? I hope so, I don't know Sir Ability Toucan Has already been created By the illustrious Sarah Butt Oh, he's so cute Apparently she was watching Oh my god How is this possible It's so adorable Her message to me Simply says Hold on let me see if I can find this Here we go I don't know why But he feels like he needs a top hat

1:34:29That's awesome There we go He could be our friend for this show

1:34:38okay i'm sorry uh dan you were saying uh you're doing any long-term goals uh oh right sorry yes luke i'd love to hear your long-term goals no just my house not being screwed up i haven't been doing like anything else i've been going to work and working on that so i don't know and then once i don't know it for the first half of november i'm just gone again So like I've been out of the gym for a long time, but I've been doing physical things. I've been working on the house. So like, I don't know. I feel mostly okay, but I'll get back on the wagon when my house is not completely screwed and I am in the country.

1:35:13Those things are decently important. Sometimes I do work out on the road, but it's kind of hard to find. Some gyms are really expensive for drop-in and usually I'm really busy with whatever reason I'm on the road for. So yeah. I can't remember if Linus answered Sorry, you did not I haven't, I actually have A doc, this is my This is my like Everything from my ADD brain Dump doc, it's like 17 pages of just wall of text Of like random Business ideas I've had over the years Sometimes it's just like Like a line That I'm like That would be funny like i uh i think i've seen this a few times do i still uh oh okay yeah yeah i have a section called script ideas that i never really like ended up using it using but i had these i have these two funny things that i never remember because i never really use it i only remember it when i'm not actually writing but i had these i have these two ideas in here um so i have this one trying to do something by scowling at it and then scowling at it harder with like uh with like a hat on or something i don't know but it'd be funny like uh like basically okay look it's a it's a it's only partially baked okay the point is that like it sounds like a line yeah right like i was trying to i was trying to get my i was trying to get my my iphone uh transfer wizard to work properly uh apple wasn't helpful so i tried like scowling at it that didn't work so i scowled at it harder and unfortunately that didn't work either so all my messages are still on my android phone oh my god he's back kind of what is he called how i would integrate what's his what's the toucan's name linus i've lost the ability to his his yeah yeah ability toucan ability to but i think with his distinguished top hat he needs to be sir ability toucan sir ability toucan yeah and whenever i can't anymore i lose him now he's on the hand he's yeah he's pushed on your hand i like that yep sir ability toucan um do you have any other examples from your doc yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah what's your oldest video idea in your doc uh okay so oldest video idea hold on hold on i got another i got another joke i got another joke idea i need to joke about how um like some color like it's like an RGB joke like a joke about how this color needs more R and more B to be the right color like I'm playing around with like a slider and then like R &B music starts playing or like I take away all the G and then just like music turns on like just oh if it's rap music and you take away all the G and it stops being rap music

1:38:16i actually kind of like that so i don't know man like it's just like it's my doc of just things that i just write i already dinged it i think oh okay okay yeah he dinged it he dinged it um so i do i do oh so you want an old video idea okay no the video idea doc is a different doc i think oh i might have purged it oh no no i still have it oh dude i still have it um um oh my god this is a terrible idea entire here's the luke here's the luke section of video ideas i knew i had seen this doc oh no oh no this is old yeah pizza warmer pc part two is in here so i can delete that we've done that now nice uh let's get rid of that and then i've got 771 to 775 sticker conversion so that idea is obviously old enough that wanting to use an lga 775 processor was valid uh ultimate gamer pc with a ps4 xbox one and a wii u inside we've done it now i can delete that yeah dude wow we've actually like done some of this stuff um here's one that is a terrible idea fireplace mod put a tv in an old fireplace with speakers and play the LTT Yule Log video.

1:39:36Why would we do that? Why would I even write that down? That's an entire video? That sounds like a me idea. Yeah, that's the whole video idea. Yeah, it sounds cool. I like that. It sounds like it'd be easy to shoot too. Yeah. Computer out of one inch blocks. What does that even mean? Is that the whole title? One inch blocks? Yeah, I don't know what that means. I have one that says ready for VR. I have like six Rs is bull spit. Remember that VR ready badge? Yeah. Okay. So that was a very timely thing as well. That's gone now. iMac mod. This just says iMac mod. Okay. No, that makes sense. This topic says balls to the wall web server.

1:40:23I bet you that was probably, we were trying to get something for flow plane. That's my guess. Oh, probably. Yeah. It's a link to my inbox. So I'm clicking and I think it's pulling this off of tape.

1:40:38Balls to the wall web server. I don't know what any of this is. Okay, forget it. This is garbage. Some of this we could still do. Full screen versus borderless window input leg slash FPS. That was from a viewer. That's still not a bad idea. That's still not a bad idea, yeah. because you know we could do filters affect airflow that's another good one from alex91 underscore cy do you know about the latency introducer box thing the labs has i do i do what if we figured out i don't think we've talked about that input lag gap between windowed and borderless and then forced the windowed one sorry forced the yeah windowed mode on borderless uh figured out that gap and then forced it with the input box and then tried to see if people could tell can you tell the difference between window mode and borderless uh i think i can tell you the answer to that already i don't think people will be a lot of people think they can though interesting well okay but but part of why a lot of people think they can might be because the implementation on some games was really bad like i think it was cs go that if you were in borderless and then you alt tabbed and went back in the game it was trash and we found this out because we were doing something and it was a problem for us um because normally you wouldn't alt tab out of your full screen video game and then go back into it but like that's fixed now so I don't know.

1:42:18There might be some games where it's still a problem, but I sincerely doubt that it's most of them.

1:42:27Okay, keep going. What else we got? Oh. No. Oh, yeah. More video ideas from him, not topics for you, Dan. Oh, we're very okay. Sure. Oh, dude. The USB-C versus Micro-B durability test is under James. We made that video. That was one of the first videos he worked on. So the last time I used my to-do list for your guys' video ideas was probably when I did that wave of hiring when we hired Emily, James, and Alex. That makes sense. We actually did some of the Alex ones too. Ultimate Air-Cooled PC, giant industrial fan thing. We did it. Actual single slot mod with hacked off stock cooler and rear-mounted 120mm fan.

1:43:10We did that too. That's crazy. That is crazy. make a heat sink for like ten dollars with a hacksaw and a chunk of metal bench against a stock cooler we did that too yeah so unlike luke alex actually like did all the work that was assigned to him before he wasn't working here anymore i guess you still got time though i did a ton of it there's things we removed off the dock because they were done my goodness because i know someone else did it jordan did your pizza warming pc i could have done that if you wanted i'll do version three and i'll make it worse yeah i was gonna say make it i dx12 and vulcan was on that dock i'm pretty sure and it just got done so it was removed off oh no that was on a different dock we had a we i we created a different dock later this one's older um oh okay so right right right i remember how we got on this subject i was supposed to talk about goals so this is where i put goals so one of my goals is to fix my calendars.

1:44:15Um, my calendars are a mess. I have like a billion calendars. And then do you remember that sponsored video we did on that? Um, that like conference room booking tablet thing? Yes, actually. Does anyone remember this? Yes, I do. Yeah. So some of, as part of that video, one of my calendars got exposed publicly. And so for years, I had just like spam events that would pop up on my phone because the calendar was like bound to a work account that was shared to my other account. And then my personal account was that I could. It took me a while to figure out like how they were all intertwined. And they're still kind of messed up.

1:44:56My calendar, my calendars are kind of a mess. So I need to fix my calendars. Why don't you just say you have a person for this?

1:45:06Yeah. I am probably the worst at using an assistant. Yes. That is exactly what I was about to say. Because if it's really easy, I might as well do it. And if it's hard, I need to do it.

1:45:25So I just end up in my flow chart is like, no matter what, screw it. I'll just do it. Oh, man. to be clear uh that's this is not a knock against vance vance is awesome um he he actually does a lot for me but just not that uh like like travel for instance like vance checks me into all my flights dude he's getting fast so like not the check-ins so he has oh like bookings and stuff yeah we worked through something this week and it was zooming that might be why um but but yeah like like he he he definitely like helps me with with very useful stuff or just like if i'm if i'm like oh crap i need to follow up on that i'll be like vance can you follow up on that he'll he'll get it he'll get it he'll get it going for me um so yeah like it's great, but no, I'm not good at delegating.

1:46:25Oh, I have fixed my kids' password managers. I need to do that. My kids still don't have password managers and they're like making their way into their teens at this point. And it is becoming a problem, especially because one of my kids has a password manager. So we've been really inconsistent about where the other kids' passwords go. Sometimes they're in my password manager. Sometimes they're in Yvonne's and sometimes they're in my eldest's and there's no consistency there so we need to kind of deal with all that and we're not even all using the same password manager so just sharing folders is not straightforward either you have the thing now though right i know i know but it's that's what i'm telling you it's on my list to to deal with fans could do that too for my goals i have right counting computers that's at the top of my goals so that's supposed to be the follow-up to the abcs of gaming which came out five years ago so i haven't done that nice um not jesus says you're truly the perfect example of a dude with adhd desperately in need of an assistant but utterly incapable of utilizing one yes yeah pretty much um yeah oh i have have my eldest daughter drill something we were at a family event and using a drill came up and she was like i don't like drills so that's something we need to get over um i decided very early on in parenting that no daughter of mine will not be able to throw a ball properly or be able to drill a hole in a wall properly and use basic tools that's just not acceptable um we i thought this might happen we apparently used to just email each other like i found an email thread from 2014 where we're just you're just like spamming emails like you you emailed me just the word free nas the the thread is the thread is just called tasks and then you just emailed me free nas so the first email is voiceover guide for diy aa uh node 804 case um pf sense router guide overclocking guide preparation fix up our cabling situation here um by extension cords wall mount power bars etc and then you responded to that one just saying free nas and then you responded to that one just saying when show set and then you started that one saying calendar spot for ball pit and then i responded saying notes for myself find new ad partner for the forum and no i have no idea what calendar spot for ball pit means so this explains why i got an email from linus with just a picture and for wanshow on it oh yeah just how you guys operate yeah all right that makes so much more sense everybody gets a pass i mean email is just text messaging pretty much except it's less likely to get lost oh shoot osiris in the chat says when is the bit case coming out linus yeah i searched for cw in my in my inbox and then i meant to actually click on any of the things that come up okay this is from the weekly cw huddle october 21st meeting uh npis or new product introductions.

1:50:03Let's see. On 1024, we will be introducing the Glitch t-shirt, Glitch desk pad, and Glitch pins. I guess you guys knew that already. Available now, ltdstore.com. Okay, what else we got here? Thermochromic jacket, something, something. NPI December is apparently going to be the bit case. So, it is green in the finalized launch date thing. So I'm pretty sure, yeah, I'm pretty sure it should come in December sometime. But nothing is launched until it is actually launched, as we know very well from our mod mat.

1:50:52Okay, what are we supposed to be doing? I just, I found, uh, that was really random. I found my will, which was apparently in my work email. I was trying to find tasks. Yeah, that was an interesting read. That's pretty old. Surprisingly still relevant. No. Why would I give you things? You don't need anything. Let me see just in case. A will is not just about stuff. Isn't it? It's about sharing burden. Mine is. What is it?

1:51:31Pugboy says, okay, but do the birds get anything? Oh, wait, actually, you are in it, but it's not about stuff. But is it mean? No. Tell him I always hated him. No, it's not. It's not mean. Tell him I always hated him. Oh, my God. You're so brutal. Honestly, I would laugh. I would actually think it's pretty funny.

1:52:03My whole life, I was resentful of everything. The whole time? Oh my god. The whole relationship was toxic and I hated every moment of it. It's like already been almost half my life. That would be intense. Oh my god. I would, dude, I would, there's no way that even for a second I would believe it. So I would think it's pretty damn funny. I had a conversation with someone the other day.

1:52:35I'm not going to get into the reasons why. We were talking about, like, if I... Yeah, I won't talk about why, but I was like, if I got diagnosed with cancer, I would tell Linus on Wancho. Oh, that's so based. Sorry, what? Oh, that's so based. Oh, that's amazing. I don't. This is not me doing that, by the way. but surprise Linus I was like we've had this like thing forever that like if you died we would monetize your like death and the funeral it was supposed to be a joke but I was like yeah I mean I gotta tell him somehow Linus would probably be like no no no save that for the show anyway if you tried not to I feel really important to you save it for the show save it for the show you just send your email to him that just says death And nothing else Coming soon Subject death Death question mark?

1:53:33Subject tasks Oh man Casket Oh my god Oh Oh that's great Oh man Um Okay Anywho Um Oh dude Oh my god Speaking of monetizing my death um oh go ahead you go first so the thing the reason why i'll just say it uh i don't know if people are gonna like this or not they might dislike it but you know what i am who i am in my will and the person who wrote it for me made it very clear that there was no expectation that this could happen they were not entirely comfortable with writing it in um but in my will is there's a certain amount of funds that should be put aside uh to to to rent a boat and small and buy a smaller boat and go it into international waters and then put me in a wooden boat and push me away and then shoot it with a flaming arrow.

1:54:32And that's how I want money. And I'm probably the one person that you could imagine would even have any means, the means and the will to do it. Thanks, man. Okay. I understand why I'm in there now. See, that's what I was saying. It's not just material stuff in the will. That's my point exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So that is actually legitimately in my will. I don't think that's legal. International waters. This is an important part. It has to be international waters. I would still have to obtain your human remains in Canada. There is issues getting my remains offshore. That's why you're going to have to pay a captain a lot, I think, is the situation.

1:55:18Or you just have to. I think I know a guy. Yeah. Or you just have to buy the boat yourself I think I No I think I could find a guy I got some Yeah okay Where there's a will there's a way Oh yeah I wrote this like You don't have to be dead if you want This would have been I think this would have been like 20 yeah it'd be a lot easier to get him out there If he's not dead yet Well he would be afterwards But you know Yeah but that's later yeah yeah unique username you're gonna be a pain in the ass even when you're dead the lawyer person literally said effectively that they're like you can't really expect people to like do this much work like even if we figure out the legality problems like this is a lot of like hoops to jump what we could do i think we could honor the spirit of the request i think that we could get your ashes and then we could get like uh i think what we could do and i think i think you'd approve of this i think you'd approve of this i think we could get do you remember slender man that like weird cloth dummy that we obtained many years ago or like yeah or we could use uh you know our skeleton like steve like we could use an iconic piece of lmg or something right and then we could like put your ashes like in its heart or something like that you know we get them all like this on the thing we get a little robo no i think you're picking up what i'm throwing down i think you're picking up what i'm throwing down so we put the ashes that are legally obtained we get like we get some some iconic we we get some like man if we could obtain like an xbox 360 or og xbox it'd have to be an og xbox we get an og xbox we get your pc we get some like we get some some relics of luke's life okay kind of like egyptian egyptian pharaoh style this is part of the plan yeah but not maybe your wives or whatever you know no no no no and and then we put them we put them all in the boat and then we do the arrow okay it realistically none of us are archers it might take a few shots the plan i don't have the whole thing in here because it's my notes for it but the plan is that if i remember correctly it was supposed to be all of the so like if my if say my dad and my brother are still like your brother it's like a line of wood it's a line of yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and i imagine we'd have to bring a lot of arrows because like probably any of us are archery whizzes and and like realistically we can't just shoot right at it that's not the way no you gotta you have to arc you have to arc yeah so we'd have to we have to arc it yeah um so this could like take a while and then i would imagine that you'd want it to like as much as possible like be an event oh yeah so it would have to be like like the like the boat there'd have to be like music like we'd need like kind of nordic music kind of thing and like there there should be food and it should kind of culminate in this moment when we put you out to sea and we like and we we arc the flaming arrows onto the boat and we watch it burn yeah hell yeah like am i am i kind of am i kind of picking up the right vibe here that wasn't exactly what i was imagining but it sounds fantastic so hell yeah okay yeah that's like i think the like side details weren't honestly a lot of what i was trying to get across spirit yes it's the spirit of the request i think we could handle it yeah yeah i think we could handle it yeah yeah but i realistically you're younger than me so i'd ideally like for that to not happen so far i'm doing all right but that is that is in there yeah i insisted that it was important they really didn't want to keep it in there and i insisted that it was important you're such a pain in my

1:59:10oh my god i'm sad dude i and the fact that i'm thinking about this now is good this is why it's important to talk about this stuff right because thinking about this now when i can bounce ideas off of him and i can kind of read the body language and we can have a back and forth conversation it's not an easy conversation but it's good because if if i was blindsided with this dude dude i do think you're right at the same time though i think between like you and my brother and whoever else i think you guys would have got it i think so too i just i do i do agree with what you're saying though i do agree with what you said have you heard of daughter from california syndrome what i learned i was yesterday years old when i learned about daughter from california syndrome um what i think that's what it's called let me double check yeah daughter from california california syndrome it has a it has a wikipedia page and everything and it's a phrase used in the american medical profession i'm just reading this off of wikipedia to describe a hitherto disengaged relative who challenges the care of a dying elderly patient and assists and insists that the medical team pursue aggressive measures to prolong the patient's life so basically it's like how it's the behavior of someone who's been uninvolved with a dying patient be involved but there's no real chance now and and this is the way that their brain just like this is a switch that flips in their brain that they have to keep this person alive and that's the way that they can show they care and we need to spend a ton of money and we need to be really aggressive with the medical professionals who are doing their best and kind of trying to tell you, look, palliative care is the way now.

2:00:59And yeah, daughter from California syndrome. And so, you know, I've gone through a couple of family losses, you know, in my life. And it's, it's such a thing. It's so much of a thing, man. Yeah, KSU Wildcat in in float plane chat says literally my sister when my mom had been in hospice for over 18 months. Yeah, exactly. And to be clear, I'm not attacking these people for their behavior because it's probably part of their grieving process. It sucks for everyone else, and they need to not do that also. But I understand that they're not in a great headspace, right? But you never know who's going to show up and who's going to be in a not great headspace at the time of someone's passing.

2:01:51And when these instructions are not explicit and when they're not discussed ahead of time, then there's a lot more room for ambiguity. And it can be really stressful. Like it was really stressful going through some of this stuff when my sister passed. My family is not the least fragmented family of all time. I mean, I think I've been pretty open that my parents split when I was, I don't even know if I was one yet. And there's been, that was the beginning, not the end of that story. And so there was a lot of, you know. there was a lot of disagreement about, you know, what should be done. And it was tough, man.

2:02:41It was really tough. I feel like I've been relatively fortunate in that regard, both with my brother, because I don't imagine it will be even sort of an issue between the two of us. And also the relatives that were closer to me that passed, there was no real, none of those complications. there were there were some that i know of but they weren't yeah you told me about some yeah yeah they were involved like creating a lot of work for especially your dad yeah that was not cool yeah yeah i know the thing you're i know the thing yeah my dad is surprisingly good at tanking stuff um so he was able to handle that he's a de-escalator yes so yeah so he was able to handle that which was which was good that shouldn't have happened no i agree and i think I think something people who are grieving forget is everyone else is grieving too.

2:03:40It's like really not the time for fights. And I can understand like if... And it's really not the time to make it about yourself. If you, you know, you might be genuinely getting screwed over by someone who is just being a huge jerk. And like, you might need to kind of defend yourself to a certain degree. But like, man, it's crazy that this is like kind of a default in most scenarios. like most most conversations I've had with people about someone passing there is a lot of disagreements and a lot of fights it's just kind of sad yeah and I think that's I don't remember because it's been quite a while since I wrote it but I think that was one of my motivations for my thing because it's so like crazy and grandiose that either you do it or I don't care man just do whatever and if you do it then like sick and whatever interpretation you have of that sick um yeah memorable yeah exactly uh we should probably do sponsor spots at some point we should do something we've technically been on cw merch messages for like a long time it's been like 30 40 minutes on one merch message so let's do sponsors we might as well get through all four of them okay the show is brought to you today by odoo when you're running a business it It is all too easy to get tangled up.

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2:09:53No. Nope, we should do some more topics. Android box manufacturer SoftLock's devices sold below official minimum price. Scummy actions. Android box manufacturer Superbox is locking consumer devices to get back at retailers. If a retailer is delinquent in their debts, really? or sells a device below the official minimum price set by us, Superbox will softlock consumers' devices and instructs end users to contact the retailer as the fastest way to resolve the issue. Dude, this is some mafia-level stuff here. Superbox advertises the set tops. So I'm Superbox, okay? I sell you 10 super boxes. You're a retailer.

2:10:45You are having a hard time moving them. So you discount them. You sell your 10 super boxes. Okay. A bunch of our WAN show viewers. Let's say here. I'm going to name some currently pooping and I'm white. Pwncrackers, PK seven crystal PC master raise unique username, David K booger flinger. and nipple-less cage, okay? These are actual float plane users, all of them. You guys truly are the float goats. So they all buy these boxes, right? At a discount. I found out that you sold them at a discount. I soft lock their devices. So they stop working. And I tell them, they've got to go back to you so you can compensate me for selling them at a discount.

2:11:40How flipping wild is that? Imagine living in the brain of the person who is a big enough a-hole to do this. Crazy. Crazy. Superbox advertises the set-tops as IPTV boxes. The brand doesn't appear to sell direct to consumer or advertise its MSRPs or even authorized resellers. Yeah, rough. So customers would be hard-pressed to avoid suspiciously low prices as Superbox advises. Were they even aware it was a possibility? Unfortunately, the practice of setting a minimum advertised price or MAP or minimum resale price, MRP, of a price maintenance and of price maintenance are all legal in the U.S. and Canada.

2:12:35What is price maintenance? This is wild. I've actually never heard of price maintenance. I have heard of MAP. I've heard the other ones. I haven't heard of price maintenance. Yeah, I'm going to have to click on this. Our link is from the competition bureau. Price maintenance may occur when a supplier prevents a customer from selling a product below a minimum price. Okay. It may also occur when a supplier refuses to supply a customer or otherwise discriminates against them because of their low pricing policy. Okay, it's illegal only in certain circumstances. However, the part where you brick the consumer's box almost certainly has to be illegal.

2:13:11However, these are essentially pirate streaming boxes as far as I can tell. So they're already operating in a completely nebulous legal area. And it shouldn't surprise you that people who run sort of morally ambiguous businesses participate in morally ambiguous business practices. This just felt like the single most egregious case of you no longer own the products that you buy that I had yet seen. It went kind of viral on the subreddit and I just couldn't believe it. I wanted to flag this. If you guys know anyone in your life who is considering a super box, make sure they know not to buy this.

2:14:04This is mind-blowing. To use my ability to use my device as leverage against the seller who sold it to me. What? yeah lol inverse says the worst you've seen so far i mean i get honestly i don't even know it would this be illegal hold on a second because if it's legal to just turn off the service of a device that you ordered for no reason whatsoever like is this any worse like yeah it's it's it's more insidious like it's like worse in a sense i guess but the outcome is the same the device you paid for doesn't work anymore too far gone says put them in the flaming i think this makes me more uncomfortable if the box wouldn't normally rely on a service if that makes sense i think it does though because they're they're probably running their own pirate streaming which is probably a big part of why they don't have a reseller list and they don't have an msrp right because they're just trying to stay as as under the radar as possible.

2:15:19Yeah, this was a really good idea if you wanted to stay under the radar. I know, right? Stupid.

2:15:30Anyway. All right, we can move on. And OpenAI unveils its Chromium-based ChatGPT web browser, Atlas, as a tool for vibe-lifing. The same week, Microsoft launches co-pilot mode in Edge and introduces Myco. the new Clippy. I would have been actually totally down for them to just bring Clippy back, not whatever Myko is. Atlas, ChatGPT's thing, looks and functions like a traditional web browser, but it adds ChatGPT functions and features throughout. Opening a new tab lets you either enter a URL or ask ChatGPT a question, which is just Googling things these days. Browser memory is an optional tool that tracks the pages and topics you've explored so atlas can suggest related content help you revisit past research and automate repetitive tasks hey it's recall and now you're asking for it hey let's go vibe lifing uh we believe we can start in the long run to have an amazing tool for vibe lifing will ellsworth the research lead for agent mode in atlas said during the live stream so delegating all kinds of tasks both in your personal and professional life to the agent in atlas is apparently vibe lifing okay uh microsoft's edge copilot mode does really similar stuff to atlas with copilot actions performing similar uh simple tasks for you and the journeys feature remembering your password okay so it's the same thing both browsers claim to and they're both chromium uh hooray uh both browsers claim to care about your privacy cough cough they definitely don't uh and they need permissions to take actions on sensitive sites such as financial institutions um they probably actually don't want to do that because the liability so they might actually care about that microsoft introduced Myco or Microsoft Copilot.

2:17:30Yeah, okay. Maybe it is Myco if it's Microsoft Copilot. I don't know anymore. Who knows? I think it's probably whatever you want it to be. A new visual presence slash mascot. It listens, reacts, and even changes colors to reflect your interactions. It's a mood sensing ring. Everybody's just comparing it to Clippy, although I can't show you because they don't have access to the dock where apparently everybody's doing that. remember when cortana was supposed to be this yeah at least that was cool because it was like xbox and halo and like if cortana just didn't just like royally suck it would have been all right yeah i didn't mind the general implementation of cortana i actually thought the idea was cool it was just terrible at everything that it tried to do charge nuclei 8d300 says it was never cool you take that back the branding was cool the branding was awesome that it was cool that they paid the actual cortana voice actress that was cool yeah the the like functionality of cortana was not as interesting the functionality was the entire problem and it's not the functionality like they they decided it would do the wrong things and I wanted to do other things.

2:18:51The things that it could theoretically do were often actually kind of neat. It just couldn't do them very well. That was the problem. Clippy comes up if you click on Maiko too much from Satya. Really? What do you mean Clippy comes up? Imagine being aware enough that it's just Clippy and that people are kind of nostalgic for Clippy to do that, but not being aware enough to just make the mascot Clippy. Oh, Myko is so generic and boring, too. Oh, no. Oh, that sucks. You should just be able to... I mean, I'm sure eventually you'll be able to buy skins. Yeah. Wow, this is such a... Okay, what am I supposed to click on here?

2:19:34Clicky comparisons. Okay.

2:19:40It's just clicky. Okay. This is it.

2:19:48That's, that's Myko. I like our toucan better. Yeah. Myko's just a blob. You can't offend anybody if it's not anything. I guess. I don't know. I don't know. Those colors seem. Yeah, that's true. Distinctly like they could be too human or maybe they'd seem like they're not human enough. That's true. That one looks like a sour peach. Yeah. I'm trying here but yeah apparently if you I didn't even see what he's doing dang I missed out making him spin along with him someone linked it man somebody linked it turning into Clippy here we go here we go hold on if you tap on it a bunch of times and come on there Clippy which immediately looks so much cooler can we just have can i just say that just instantaneously looks so much cooler unique username says oh i've seen this rolled out to me definitely designed by committee zero character oh i'm sure that's been that's been really um i shouldn't say eye-opening because i've noticed it before but being in japan and china recently Like mascots are so much more of a thing here Still Remember when mascots were everywhere Remember when Mr.

2:21:17Clean Was like More than just a picture on the bottle Actually they might still use Mr. Clean Mr. Steal your girl man They probably do Dude the chat Dude everything has a mascot here And I kind of love it I love it

2:21:37Alright I did like that in Japan too I would say. It was very cool. Apparently Mr. Clean is still in the commercials and is CGI now. I just haven't seen a TV commercial in... Yeah. I'm not surprised. All right, what's this, Linus? Search picture from Linus for Wancho last week? I think this is... This is... Probably safe to just screen... Oh, hold on, hold on. Do you want me to double check and sanitize for you? No, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on. I need to see the...

2:22:19Okay. Yeah. Can you just cut out the... The search? The start menu part? Yeah. Because this is notes from the Fab Tour that I was recently on. So I got some cool content to tease for y 'all. There you go. Nice. What I'm doing overseas... Wait, what? Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't uncrop it, I guess. That looks safe to me. I'm going to share a screen. It looks like it's been solved. I'll tell the people what I'm doing here later.

2:22:58What? Okay. There you go. Virus. Replace the paint logo. with last week remember i was talking about windows search being a giant piece of garbage and then i couldn't i couldn't replicate it on stream and this time you typed in pin and it came up with paint dude was there something changing my pin four five six seven eight Changing my pin Which is what I was trying to do Is the 8th result The 8th result Luke

2:23:43Now I understand what they're trying to do I see what they're trying to do It's a typo thing The next time I did it The next time I did it After I clicked pin And like after I clicked that 8th result And then I tried to replicate this again it searched for pin so it's using user behavior but this shouldn't be the default this is almost a brand new windows install because that's why i was trying to set up the pin because i i inherited this machine from someone who was working on like labs testing for it or something like that so like like this is not based on user behavior because they wouldn't have been using paint or pin p i n and it didn't just like go here for a second and then and then like flip over you know how it'll do that sometimes where it's like it just hasn't caught up and it's changing no i typed p i n in search and it's like do you mean paint do you mean pinterest do you mean lots of slots casino games even command what are you talking about it cash frenzy

2:24:57what is that why are cash frenzy and lots of slots casino games above set up a pin why is anything from the store above a relatively close match from your apps or settings or files just saying it's crazy

2:25:23and like look at all the wasted space on the right this gigantic paint icon in just a void of emptiness if you want to have a bunch of ads put it there don't put it anywhere it's actually unacceptable anywhere and that's fine that's a completely valid take and i agree but if you're going to have them totally yeah clearly are yeah yeah yeah don't put them in the search results put cash frenzy somewhere else and yes guys i am i'm aware of open shell i'm aware but I genuinely like to use Windows in its stock form. Yeah, we're trying to correct the stock experience which is the experience that the incredibly vast majority will have which is the problem.

2:26:17That thing he said. And we need to experience it in order to feel the righteous fury that we do right now. Yes. It's important to experience it in that way. It's also important that you as a power user don't have to. That is cool. I appreciate that that is awesome But we need to not So that yeah Everything that he said Okay The bionic eye We're kind of getting there we could maybe do the Full pin announcements now I think that would be fine Sure whatever you want Oh wait was I going to tease what I'm doing here What are you doing there What am I doing here Do you know What oh like in the country yeah i do yeah go for it tease it yeah do it that isn't the full plane so just do it i i oh it's in float plane and now it is is is it is not oh yeah yeah yeah yeah cool uh so i was in japan for three days doing one of the coolest factory tours that i have ever done uh this has been in the works for many months i'm pretty jelly and it will it will probably be in the works for more months yet um i there's certain things that we shot that i am hoping are going to make their way through the approvals process it it got all the way to the coo apparently some of the stuff that we wanted to see um but we were in keoxia's cutting edge fab and we saw some stuff we filmed some stuff we are working on a video they actually they actually sponsored the video so it is very much they are this is actually a little bit of like 4d chess here um doing these factory tours in a sponsored capacity is actually a powerful motivator for the brands to open up more and find a way when it comes to disclosing all the stuff um i operate in exactly the same way that i would for a normal facility tour except that i will have like like i do i'll have my chunks where we kind of you know suck off the brand a little bit to make sure we get some talking points in there but in terms of the actual like body of the content um like i'll include stuff that i wouldn't normally care about you know like found it in this year like you guys don't care you want to see a cutting edge fat you know what i'm saying but i i got but i worked that in i go found it in this year whatever right uh because that's how you get that's how you get into these places um you just gotta you gotta get on your knees a little bit that's all i'm saying and guys it was absolutely flipping incredible like have you ever seen luke like i think fundamentally you understand the concept of like die stacking right okay but have you ever actually seen them no stacked and wired together no did you even know that they use wire no because the second you said wired together i was like i see i assumed that it'd be like some kind of through silicon something um but no no the dyes are manufactured and then they're stacked in a staircase structure so that one edge is exposed on all of them and then they are wired down to the substrate individually it blew my flipping mind luke that's pretty wild it blew my flipping mind yeah like i just yeah wire bonding thank you battler gun i had just never thought about it fundamentally understood the concept of die stacking yeah but i never really like never looked at a at a microscope picture of it never looked at the machinery that does it the the gold wire was so thin that you could barely see it hanging down dude wire bonding is flipping wild um anyway so so making these sponsored is a great way to get the brand just as invested as i am in getting the video over the line um like we went through this with uh with intel back in the day where there there was like what a three month two month, three month gap between me doing the tour and us releasing the video as it made its way through all the approvals and all the challenges that go on with showing some of the most secretive and secure facilities on earth, right?

2:31:14And so I have no doubt, and it's nothing against Intel, it's nothing against Keoxia. These are big secrets and these are very important, you know, details that need to be worked out. So I have no doubt that it's going to take some time, but I also have no doubt that we are going to get this video out there for you guys and you're going to absolutely have your minds flipping blown I'm so excited um and and yeah this is this is the best system that we've kind of found for doing these facility tours and getting everyone aligned on our goal of making the best possible most comprehensive possible video because I'll like I'll turn it around on the brand when I'm probably being too open right now, because if anyone watches this, they're going to recognize my strats.

2:32:00Right. But I'll like, I'll turn it around on the brand when we're working on approval to see something. I actually pulled this move yesterday with a different brand, um, where they basically go, well, we can't show that. And I go, well, why am I here then? What did you pay me for to, to show? They're like, well, that's too cutting edge. That's too, that's too secret. And I'm basically like, right. But the whole point of this, like, let's go back to the brief, right? The whole point of this was you guys wanted to show off your cutting edge technology. So why are you taking the cuttingest edges of it?

2:32:35And you're telling me I can't shoot it in the I can't put it in the video. This doesn't make any sense. We need to escalate this right now. Like, help me help you tell the story the best that that you can. You're you're smiling because you've probably heard me do it. I've done it myself too, but I distinctly remember because the first experiences of this for me, which they might have been for you, I'm not sure, was Cherry and then Sennheiser. It's always the same, man. Yeah, I remember learning that there and then having to reapply it over and over again. It's always the same. And like I get where they're coming from, but they're wrong.

2:33:16like i remember sennheiser specifically didn't want us to show the failed bins for their drivers yeah we were like no this shows that like you care that the product is going to be good and work so it's going to show up appropriately that matters and it's going to resonate with the audience they're like no but it looks bad because we like didn't do it perfectly every time we're like that no that's not come on that's not the point i actually told that story yesterday Yeah, I'm not surprised. No, I told that story a few days ago. I told that story a few days ago. I had to tell a different story yesterday.

2:33:52But they're real stories based on our very real experiences. And the thing that I always remind these brands is you guys booked us. You guys booked us based on the factory tours you saw. You wanted us to tell your story the way we tell the story, where we go in and we get into the grit and we talk about the real processes that are involved in building your products. We help people appreciate the challenges that go into building these things, that go into creating the technology that we all love. You brought me here. You paid good money for me to be here because you saw that. Well, guess what? When I made those videos, I went through all the same stuff that we're talking about right now.

2:34:41That video wouldn't get made If I wasn't having the same battles then That I'm having with you right now I need to film this step It's literally every time too Like it's quite literally Every single time And so I'm not singling anybody out Because I totally understand it I mean this is This is It makes sense Like this is your business This is your livelihood yeah this is that's what you're protecting right like the stakes are huge i get it it's like it's like a factory tour watching someone jump off a diving board and do a really cool dive and you're like i want to do that and then you get up to the diving board and you're like yeah and then linus has to convince you to jump and then it's fine yeah and then you do it and then you know the viewers love it yeah and and at the end of the day i mean and this is one of the ones that I have to go through this one every time too, right?

2:35:41It's like, especially when it comes to like, like blurring logos on machinery is always a funny one to me. Because I'm like, brother, you know, that's a that's a that's a widget Matron, right? The the people on earth, who even know what a widget Matron who have even heard of the company whose brand you're covering up can recognize that machine from its profile and the positioning of the dials anyway. and the people who don't know what that brand is are not going to build a competing semiconductor fab so what are we even talking about here yep and that's that wouldn't be necessarily applicable to like a to like a semiconductor machine because there's a high level of like customized customization that goes on in them but for certain things um i i did have to have this conversation very recently around something that was more of like a piece of scientific equipment where it is an off the shelf thing and it's just like well it's a trade secret who makes that i'm like bro in the scientific community where they know what these things are they're how many people even make those things for one thing and then how hard would it be to go okay yeah it's that one from the product catalog you're not you're not hiding anything from anybody um from anybody who would be able to do anything with the knowledge.

2:37:06You're hiding it from people who wouldn't be able to do anything with the knowledge that you'd be arming them with by telling them the manufacturer of this piece of scientific equipment. And another funny one is guys, people talk. And it's not me. It's not me talking. The industry is so inbred. people move around between companies all the time like if you imagine for a second and i'm going to use an example that like isn't a real one so i'm not calling anybody out here but like if you imagine for a second your special you know idea for a bracket to cable manage a tube is like not in everybody else's fab that they're also keeping super secret from you you got to be kidding yourself like it's i'm sorry it like it's it's the basic stuff like that like the actual the actual details you know the proprietary chemical mixtures and stuff like that totally understand yeah don't tell me that i don't even want to know that i don't want to be armed with knowledge that could be so damaging to your business yeah um but some of the some of the little details like the way we position that warning label it's like bro come on man you got to be kidding me right now and and the funny thing is a lot of the time it's it's not even on them like it's not keoxy's fault some of the things that they need to get legal approval for.

2:38:32Sometimes it's their partners being totally irrational. It's like you're not allowed to disclose that we use a hex head on our bolts to secure this piece of equipment to the floor. There were details, and I'm not throwing them under the bus genuinely. I think they were just doing exactly what they needed to do. On the Intel tour, there was details that we were not allowed to share about the tour that we did because of the brand partners that they were working with and then lucas found videos from those brand partners on youtube that had those details in them we're just like wait what like what are you talking about oh man oh well and and it's just you know i don't know pr people we're going to PR.

2:39:21Yeah. And, and it's easier to say no. Yep. So I totally get that. It's, it's lower friction internally. Nobody ever got fired for saying, no, you can't disclose that. Right. Yeah. But you know, we don't achieve anything that way. Right. And so, uh, and, and I'm, I'm just, and, and so I just, I want to take a moment here after my ranting, right. to appreciate the companies that try, that, that try to open up the doors and, and, and give us this insight into, into what they're doing. Like I, I was, I'm hugely respectful, even though it's pulling teeth every time. I, I have enormous respect for companies like Kyoxia and Intel and Cherry and anyone else that we kind of named and didn't shame.

2:40:12We're not shaming them here for trying to do this in the best way that they possibly can. It's super cool. And it's something that otherwise, just a small handful of people on earth would ever get a chance to see and experience. And, you know, as someone who just believes in the sharing of knowledge and education, I appreciate that they are trying to do better. So it's super cool. And I'm really excited for you guys to see that facility tour um i was i was blown away by yesterday so yesterday was hisense when i when we got the invite and i was like okay but like is it like a panel fab do you guys do your own like panel technology and they're like no it's not panels it's just like the the tv itself i was like is that going to be that interesting luke don't miss this video hisense factory tour there were a couple things that unfortunately no matter how hard i pushed i wasn't able to get them to show you and one of them is not going to sound that cool um it basically it's like in real time a computer animation with like kind of transparency and stuff of the entire production line i'm allowed to describe it but i i wasn't allowed to shoot it um that shows all the machines all the automations on this over 70 automated factory line that takes the tv from constituent parts this from the screws and and cables and panel and back housing and glue like all of all the constituent parts and assembles them had them all operating in real time with various efficiencies and and operational telemetry telemetric data um so that they can proactively perform maintenance so cool and that kind of like factory automation yeah that's really cool toolkit stuff is is not the sort of thing that i would necessarily expect someone who's more just like nuts and bolts hardware to care about but it was like mind-blowing a lot of stuff that's it's incredibly important to them because they have to keep margins down right up but yes yeah that one and and and efficiency was such a major story they had this machine that automated like a glue application step that they were boasting saved them nine percent on glue and i was like right that's gonna be a lot you guys are operating at the volume you guys are operating at even if it's a dollar worth of glue that's nine cents a unit just like that boom that machine pays for itself dude the level the level of automation on this thing.

2:43:14Oh, PC Master Rays says, how the heck is an automated line profitable for a specific model of display? You're going to love this video, dude. It really puts in perspective the volume of consumer electronics that are being shipped because yes, the entire line that we are watching running the way that it is, is one model of TV that's being produced right now. um and and the automation of it is absolutely incredible like it wasn't that long ago that i was here in china touring the one plus factory and them telling me yeah screws are still too hard dude almost nothing is too hard now like it's 70 now 71 now and there were multiple steps that still had humans working on them that they were like yeah and we are in active development automating this as well and not only does it save cost but they're like yeah the quality is dramatically better um like like markedly better it's it's gonna be it's gonna be a pretty it's gonna be a pretty cool video there was something else i was gonna say but oh yeah right right right yeah mew mew actually nailed it so we finally find out how tvs are getting cheaper yeah like we're you're gonna get to see how deep a company like hisense is digging to find the savings to make tvs like the one of the only categories of consumer product right now that is seemingly inflation-proof somehow you guys will get to see it and it will blow your flipping mind that's i'm i'm genuinely quite excited i i love the like man i wish how it's made was still a thing and i know there's like some sort of derivatives but there was there was something pure about how it's made that was just so great but i i love seeing that type of stuff i'm very into it oh i was using a led factory kind of how it's made type thing no music no talking um as as test audio for the today's show oh really there's like so much cool stuff on youtube that's like even better than how it's made and a lot of it comes out of these hyper automated factories it's super awesome maybe i just need to go find those yeah it's a different algorithm one battle speaking of automation that i had to have with hisense was uh showing the human steps they didn't want to show the human steps and i was like bruh no we're showing the human steps because this video is it's not how it's made the the tm but it's it's how it's made we want to we can't i can't walk into i can't do the intro of this video say it's 71 % automated and then not show a single human working.

2:46:14I'm so much more interested if I see the human steps too, because I know that the people there are heavily incentivized to automate things. So then, then I'm trying to think and go, okay, how would they automate this still remaining step? And why is it so difficult? Because if they're making a whole thing to save 9 % of glue, then they, they clearly would love to, but it's, it's so difficult. So like it's, it's, that makes it so much more interesting. Yeah. Yeah, PC Master Ray says, didn't turn up for 71 % of a TV. And that's exactly the line that I'll pull with these guys. It's like, I wouldn't have flown here if you weren't going to show me the whole thing.

2:46:55You got to understand, we're doing the whole thing. And you got to be firm. Because at the end of the day, it's for their own good. But I understand. I understand why it's so tough. And it's part of the content creation process, man. it's just part of uh it's part of learning how to work together learning how to move forward and again massive massive credit to everyone we're working with on this trip so we hit keoxia already we hit hisense already yesterday and then we're going to huawei in a couple of days and um actually luke you might be kind of into the lab that we're going to there i was not a hundred percent sold on it because i know that like health tech is not always what resonates the most with our audience but dude the health tech lab they have i don't even care if it gets like 300 000 views or whatever i just wanted to see it um they have like in like a like an they have like an in-place swimming pool they have a bike track apparently that like goes around their facility like they did you get to do the tests i haven't gone yet but i'm gonna oh that's so cool yeah so i'm gonna actually like get hooked up dude benchmarking linus yeah use the health lab that they use to like create the sensors for like smart wearables and stuff like it's gonna be i'm really excited i'm so excited dude it's gonna be awesome in i was gonna make an insolviet russia joke but yeah in in somewhere uh benchmark benchmarks you or something yeah anyways Exactly.

2:48:38Okay. Can't wait. Okay, what were we supposed to be doing? Hey, whoa. If you don't want spoilers because you're TiVo-ing the game or whatever, then don't listen to me for the next five seconds. But hey, Jays win. Game one, let's go. Oh, hey. Nice. Yeah. I've actually got a merch message about that. Maybe we do that now. Sure. Hello, DLL. Game one of the World Series just started. Any baseball fans here? Also, this new t-shirt design is incredible. Please continue with designs like this.

2:49:22The last time I followed baseball for real, John Olerud played for the Blue Jays. And Ken Griffey Jr. was like the league superstar. I have a peripheral interest in most major sports, enough to kind of know who the people are. I know the rules of baseball pretty well. I played baseball as a kid, but I haven't really followed followed since the last time the Jays were contenders. They're Canada's only team. Yeah, Canada is big bandwagoning right now. I know almost no Canadians that watch or care about baseball pretty much at all. some people like like linus said might know some of the players names and like we'll we'll watch a game here or there if there's nothing else really on and i'm sure people from like the local city care uh but most of canada is not that tuned in except for for sure right now like everybody is in which is fun whatever sometimes it's neat to jump on a bandwagon it is what it is you know what and i think it's i think it's good i think it's good for i think it's good for the sport too because probably like think about it they've been calling this the world series for all this time and there's only one team that's not from that's not from america so i think it makes sense that you have to have a team from another country win it every once in a while otherwise you're just gonna have to change the name yeah well no you can't call it the world series they just need to compete they wouldn't have to win they just need to compete i guess that's true well for a long time they didn't compete and now they are yeah so i know i'm No, it looks like fun.

2:51:02I got to say baseball is probably my favorite sport to watch. Maybe not favorite, but among. It's like very high. I don't like watching. I can't watch a baseball game. It's too long and there's too much downtime for me to to like be focused on it. But highlights. I love baseball highlights. It's like one of my favorite sports to just binge highlights of because. Some of them are great. It feels like the athleticism like they are because of the pay. in baseball, like, oh man, what's his name? Shohei got like a$700 million contract or whatever it was. That's wild. By the way, that guy just looks like if you genetically engineered like Chad Human.

2:51:44Yeah, wild. Anyway, the point is, these are some of the best athletes in the world because the money's there, right? So if you are literally a world-class athlete that could play any game you want, baseball would be a super high candidate. But they spend most of the time standing or like sitting in a dugout. So when they do move, man. Wow. Everything we got. It's easy to look at a baseball game in progress where 95 % of the players are literally not doing anything and go like, you know, this is boring. You know, any any fat white dude could do this. You know, why? Why don't why? Why can't my uncle just my uncle could have thrown a better pitch than that?

2:52:30You know, it's easy to couch, you know, what are they called? Just like couch warrior or whatever. Right. But then the things they do. Damn. Incredible. Love it. Love it. Okay. Speaking of loving the things that they do, let's do the. Armchair quarterback. That's the one. Let's do the full play announcement. Dan, do you have the doc? I do. I don't understand this at all. I've read it like four times and I think either AI did this or Sammy just derped. I believe you have to guess the prompt. Not me, though. Linus. Right, but then how is it a competition? I don't know. If I can guess it, I win. And if I can't guess it, you win.

2:53:17But there's like points and stuff. I don't know. I don't know what we're talking about. Whatever. Anyways, Riley and I, as in me directly, tried out the new Sora 2 app and discovered just AI content affecting social media on Tuesday. The video is now out, but I thought we'd play a fun game with Linus. You're going to watch the video and guess the prompt. Dan will decide if you're close enough for the point. The winner bragging rights is in every competition. Dan, please play video one. Okay. just a second i'm trying to keep these lanes clear thank you yeah i'm that guy stopping traffic but it's for a reason our neighborhood's only public badminton courts are about to get turned into a parking lot these games built what do you think the prompt was guess the prompt yeah okay um

2:54:14okay protester protester um protester at rally to save our communities badminton courts get support from mark cuban i will say i mean pretty pretty close actually yeah i mean i would give that to him i would also give that to him maybe i'll give him a ding i will i will also say i think like pretty much every time the person is named i would still give that to you but pretty much every time we tried to name the person oh this time i will say it gave us a like we can't recreate them uh so i just referenced like effectively who they were so it could guess it pretty easily but the the person is supposed to be specific you knew mark cuban that one was oh who was the okay can i see the other one i didn't notice the other one was a person was it can you play it again just a second i'm trying to i don't think you'll get this yeah i'm that guy stopping traffic but but it's for a reason.

2:55:13Our neighborhood's only public badminton courts. No, I don't know who that is. I didn't think you would, because that was supposed to be you. I originally typed Linus Sebastian, and then it was like, we can't do that. We can't recreate that person. So I said the main host from Linus Media Group. And it spat out that. Okay, so question for you. And we're going to go off topic a little bit here, I think. Sure. But it's sort of on topic. Yeah. Because you have to opt in as an influencer. Yeah. To have your, your, your, should I opt in? No. No, no. I want to, I want to be clear. I, I, I haven't opted in.

2:55:51Do you want the argument? Is that what you're saying? Yeah. I want to have the conversation. Uh, because some people are right. Yeah. We have some of them in here. We, I won't name them. I almost just did. I mean, Mark Cuban is one though. Um, and you kind of like get something like, if you notice Dan, if you go to the end of that clip, uh, if you can bring it back up and go to the, go to like the very end. Yeah. he got that included so there's like a little url i i i don't know if it's a if it's a condition or or what i'll play it again i couldn't pause it on it sure just a second thank you yeah i'm that guy stopping traffic but it's for a reason our neighborhood's only public badminton courts it's pretty quick no no no right there it's coming yeah right there got it right so that's part of his thing and as far as my understanding goes you can get like a thing that comes along with your likeness and that's his thing um other people have other so you could do like ldt store maybe right but i mean we just got him protesting for badminton courts so you might you people could make you do things you don't necessarily want to do um do you want to promote people doing that because like when we were doing this i didn't actually intend for him to be in that at all I accidentally fat fingered Mark Cuban yeah I accidentally fat fingered his there's like tags above the input field and I was trying to do something else and I accidentally bumped it and then when we watched the video and he was in it we were like what and then we looked back at the prompt and we saw that he was tagged in it um so it's like interesting it promotes you using these people that have given their likeness over to the app um that's pretty wild I just I think especially right now until we get better things figured out over like the laws around likeness and stuff it's better to just hold on to it for now uh well see me i feel like this is quite short-sighted i mean i'm not going to claim to have a better long-term vision than mark cuban he's obviously been very successful um let's let's hear let's finish watching some of these before you keep commenting.

2:57:57Hold on, let me just finish with this one thought. But I feel like right now, the strongest argument that I could come up with for allowing it would be, it's pretty obvious that it's still fake, so it doesn't really matter. Yeah, you're getting attention. Hold on, I'm going to get there. I don't think anyone would actually think that you know linus is promoting cat and dog breeding you know let's let's let's go with like an you know an end times thing sure sure the cats are mating with the dogs you know like i i no one would actually think that so so maybe maybe it doesn't matter and all publicity is good publicity that's the best argument that i could think of and then that coupled with well people are going to make it anyway so i might as well i might as well i might as well have a hand in controlling my destiny that people are going to do this anyway store out there or whatever not even that i just mean like like i might as well it's better to be complicit in your own being used than then fighting it and no no i'm not saying these are good arguments i'm saying these are probably the best i hear you devil's advocate arguments that i could come up with um but the problem is that both of them are kind of easy to i think it's just right i think it's just relevance i think this cultural relevance is the biggest argument i think you want your likeness to be on that scrollable thing right on top of the prompt all the time being relevant to everyone um and like the one of the paul brothers or maybe both of them were on there um clearly mr cuban some other people like there's i think they're trying to stay in the zeitgeist that being said in my opinion i don't it doesn't really feel like that many people are using the app i noticed sam altman has 60 000 followers and a a video a sora video that went omega viral on twitter and ended up making someone over a grand in like twitter prime money or whatever that is um yeah had like a few hundred likes on sora like i don't think people actually care it's just a garbage slop app that no one really uses it's just morbid curiosity and then they go away but anyways should we do number two um pc master raise here says yeah but like imagine your brand being associated with some f'd up ai video and i i i feel like we're headed into i feel like we're headed into a level of like disconnection from what we're seeing and assumption of things not being real Absolutely I don't know if like Brand association Is even Going to be a thing Anymore I don't think I don't know if it's Going to matter I think if everyone Just assumes that Everything's fake Japan will care Yeah It's going to go The way of the keyboards It'll go a lot faster Than the keyboards Alright alright Let's do the second one I'm sorry I just thought This was I thought this was An interesting conversation Alright so my That's hilarious Dan killed Dan killed sir Um Right here No I mean But I can't anymore so he might have to go.

3:01:24Oh, okay. Dead. Ability to can is no more. Yeah, you can stay right there. Okay, can we get the next one? So, yeah, apparently he said so people can volunteer their likeness and there are some craters on here if you want to look but I fat fingered Mark Cuban which was a fun accident. That's my little prompt there. And this one says Linus, if you get this right that'd be amazing because it's not what you think. Okay. Sammy are you ready yeah play it let's see

3:02:00that's so good perfect amount of sauce cheers to whoever made this I will say I was pretty impressed at how good that one was actually not at doing what the prompt said but just the video itself was like surprisingly good I think they've really trained on spaghetti yeah I think they've really trained on spaghetti No, no, that was my guess Oh, no Okay, because he's like a kind of nerdy white guy Compared to like a cool less white guy Seems like the opposite of Will Smith Who do you think the nerdy white guy is? Oh, can I see? Do you want to play it again? Sure Yeah, that slurp was unsettling If you can mute the audio, that'd be great Otherwise it's Turn it up Why would you do that?

3:02:46Why would you do that? It's not a real slurk It looks like a cross between me and Austin Evans Watch it again Play it again Play it again

3:03:04Okay, sorry. Okay, I actually need him to listen to it, but not the slurp. So can you crank just when he's talking? Yeah, I can try Just play the slave, I don't care

3:03:16That's so good, perfect amount of sauce Cheers to whoever made this Oh, okay, so it's supposed to be my voice, I guess Okay What if I told you It's not supposed to be your voice But everyone immediately flagged it as supposed to be your voice And just kind of done poorly But it's also not supposed to be you Who do you think it is? I don't know Someone's name was put in And your voice came out of it Because I thought this was kind of fascinating This blew my mind It's another dude I have no way of guessing this So the prompt was Do I go for it? Do you think he got it? No The prompt was Luke Lafreniere eating spaghetti and my voice came out your voice came out so i'll read the prompt because this was this was my theory but i'll read the prompt the theory of why it sounded like linus is every time uh every time i'm googling you appear sammy what did you write every time sammy googles luke uh if you google me you show up there you go i'm gonna do this right now

3:04:37claire friend yeah i mean sort of the first four hits are your twitter profile your linkedin your youtube and your instagram people also search for you're always number one um the like second photo that i see is you and me fail fist bumping from forever ago what okay my search does not find i switched over to images and it is literally i got shoot okay this is this is is this joel yeah it's it's my twitter but it's joel yeah i know what picture you're talking about i have joel before i have you my entire front page not only does not contain any pictures of me but it doesn't even contain any pictures of you and me what the heck that's weird not one i'm gonna send i'm gonna send this to you i'm gonna send this to you right now because i feel like i'm strange i feel like i'm saying a thing that people are okay well i i've had this experience before where when i when i google myself for whatever reason uh it's pretty common that that you or you know linus media group or ltt or something like that comes up right so I think it tried to grab whatever estimation it could of my voice but it had so much more training of your voice that it just made your voice and it doesn't have very good training of what I look like so it's just generic white dude with a beard it just sent it dude even my second page only has me on it twice and in both cases I am with you In one case I have my head on your butt Oh no that's what I mean Like we would be together I don't mean it just comes up with just you So this is the First one you sent Yeah Yeah that Joel one comes up all the time For me That's a clean result That is actually And mine was the same I've done it before where you definitely came up Maybe something was going on at that time And then this is the second one oh wow like we've got you and me i think that's the scrapyard wars fist bump or something over on the right there i forget the context of that i forget i remember that photo but i don't i i don't remember why i think it was specifically something to do with way and show but i don't remember what for it's a that's i mean that's that's a decade ago so who knows um okay prompt number three are you ready the sammy's writing says final prompt winner takes all so focus up which is true he had no idea of knowing he had no way of knowing that would be true uh but that is true because it's it's tied so far i guess um so yeah dan play it hey that's my homework you just ate it so that's why i don't have the paper my laptop literally ate it last night your laptop ate it i know it sounds ridiculous but i filmed it teeth and everything that's the first okay so i justine is involved yeah so yeah uh you have to try to guess the yeah there you go why is the pig there okay i want to see it one more time okay i think i can preemptively explain that's my homework you just ate it so that's why i don't have the paper my laptop literally ate it last night your laptop ate it i know it sounds ridiculous but i filmed it teeth and everything Actually, no, I won't explain the pig.

3:08:10Okay, so obviously the prompt is going to involve a student explaining to their teacher that their laptop ate their homework. Their teacher is iJustine. So, okay. Okay, student. Students.

3:08:35students laptop eats their homework they i i don't know i don't care i mean you did you got it i'm gonna i'm gonna give you the dopamine for that one yeah i mean i think you got it it's um make a realistic depiction of a computer eating a student's and then in brackets carter pc's homework the student then needs to explain to their teacher ijustine i think there was more text than that but it just ends there uh that's carter pc he's a shorts creator you don't watch short stuff all good and then ijustine which you guessed makes sense uh they both have their likeness in the app and it recreated both of them quite well just like it recreated mark human quite well um how did the pig figure into it we're pretty sure that that is i justine's inclusion thing ah you know mark cuban had the the link we're pretty sure it's it's her inclusion thing i don't know what to call that um but i i think she she has one of those she does have a pig yeah she has a pig um and it's it and it only shows up when she's on screen it doesn't show up when carter's on screen so it like it it it's it's Probably that.

3:09:50That's what our speculation is. Yeah, we did more prompts. Some of them are hilarious. In my opinion, my favorite one isn't even in these three. Two weeks ago. I made all my videos have a pig in them. Ha ha. Two weeks ago. Yeah, there you go. So that makes sense. I didn't know that that was like officially true. It made a lot of sense. But yeah, we did a bunch of stuff. It was with Riley. I was hanging out with Riley. We had a fun time. There's a 40 minute video of that on lmg.gg slash flow plane. Go check that out. It's fun. We make some fun videos. We crash out about the, the doom and gloom of the future.

3:10:26It's good stuff. Um, and yeah, thoughts if I'd like vibe coded. Yeah. I mentioned that the, the, the app felt vibe coded cause the app was just so junk. There's a lot of really bad user experience flows and other weird stuff that happen when you try to use it. It's, it's not a very good app. Um, How about some good AI news? Sure. Yeah. YouTube's likeness detection tech has officially launched. They're rolling this out to eligible creators in the YouTube partner program. And the technology is designed to prevent people from having their likeness misused by identifying and managing AI generated content featuring the likeness of creators, such as their face and their voice.

3:11:11this process does require providing a photo id and a brief selfie video um but with the tool creators can view all detected videos and submit a removal request or they can make a copyright request and they can opt out of using the technology at any time and youtube will stop scanning for videos 24 hours after they do so um it's not perfect obviously but i've got to give google credit here for doing something what is the agreement it's taken too long it's taken too long like mr beast hawking you know penis enlargement pills has been happening for far too long with just ai generated slop videos of jimmy and stuff like that but this is i okay this is something yeah i um oh i was a big fan of this and then hearing you say it out loud raised some warning flags you mentioned the the process requires providing a photo id and a brief selfie video i don't really understand why they need that partner program unless this is also giving them permission to use it well i don't know if i don't know if youtube specifically has given me reason to go that tinfoil hat they haven't for me either but again why would they need it um

3:12:47it might be easier to train off of it might be a standard duration thing or something yeah i mean we're working on a deep fake thing right now for a video that um they the labs team asked me like even though there's obviously lots of training data for me uh the labs team asked me to like do this and do this and like it does make it easier yeah um are you gonna do it youtuber is like me oh i'm gonna do it 100 yeah yeah no question i mean it's it's something the Sora thing is like a hard obvious. No, in my opinion, this is a pretty obvious yes, as long as there isn't anything super freaky in the terms of service or whatever.

3:13:36Okay, cool. Thank you, YouTube. Coffee table book of iconic phones, huh? Yeah. You got to carry it from there. There are no notes. oh okay hold on let me just bring up my notes okay there you go phone arena reached out good lord uh a minute ago when when when was this uh back in march no it must have been earlier than that hold on phone arena check my emails wow was it really only that long ago okay well uh apparently it was only in march wow they turned this around really fast anyway phone arena reached out because they wanted to do uh like a table book of like iconic phone designs uh they didn't really ask for much they just asked like you know hey oh in october of 2024 so a year ago um they they were like hey here's a brief outline of what we want to do we want to tell the story of some of the most iconic phones kind of recreate their impact um we have some amazing other creators on board do you have some time to chat um i basically said yeah i'm not like a huge design nerd but i did use some of the phones that they had identified as like iconic.

3:15:09And I'd love to help, you know, in some way if I can. And they basically said, yeah, if you could kind of tell us the story of the phones you selected. They asked for just like short little quotes. It took me a really, really embarrassingly long time to get back to them. I feel really bad about that. Sorry, Yavor, my bad. but they reached out earlier this month to say, hey, pre-orders for the book are supposed to be going live soon. And if you want like a commission link or anything like that, then we can do that. I basically said, I don't really need the money that badly. So you guys can do, you can just kind of do your thing.

3:15:56But I will, but I'll be happy to promote it anyway. And so that's what we're doing. there. Let me just see if I can find the link. Where do I go? Sorry, I'm trying to figure it out because I want to actually find the link. Maybe it's just on the Phone Arena website. Here, let's have a look.

3:16:20Iconic Phones book. News, maybe? I'm going to try news. I really hope. Oh, here it is. Here it is. Here it is. Sign up to get updates and an early bird discount uh i'll link it i have no idea how much it costs i don't know what all else is in it it says it ships fall 2025 and uh i it involves uh quotes and stories and insights from austin evans brandon butch john rettinger linus tech tips max tech mr who's the boss super saf and jerry rig everything, which I think, I don't know, it's a pretty cool little project. I just thought it was neat, so I wanted to provide what little contribution I could.

3:17:06Dan, if you don't mind copying the link into the other spots, that's it. That's pretty much all I have to say about that. Hopefully it's cool, and you guys appreciate the kind of the photography and the little quotes and stuff, and it's a table book for people who like table books, and also like phones.

3:17:27Speaking of liking things... Sure, yeah, good segue. Love it. Okay, nice. I wasn't sure if you were trying to say something or not. There's a massive delay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you like Doritos, Linus? Do I like Doritos? Are you into Doritos? Probably more than I should be. Do you like guns? I try not to eat them. I try not to...

3:17:56oh

3:18:00okay which one is it i can't tell do you like doritos or guns you clearly like one of them that's wild dude i mean ah wow man what a terrifying experience that would be to have because it's effectively getting swatted so there's a chance that you get unalived because ai mistakes your favorite snack as a firearm fun fact yeah i mean you never know when and like you never know when a trigger happy responding agent is gonna somebody's gonna figure out how to visually hijack ais visually trick them into thinking something's happening and make this happen as a form of attack, I can pretty much guarantee it.

3:18:55Hasn't happened yet, but it will. I promise you. We don't have a lot of notes here. It's just rough. Pugboy1321 asks the real question here in floatplane chat. Would nobody check the footage first before going in armed? How much time do you have? Is this a school shooting? Do you want to spend time rewinding the tape and looking for stuff?

3:19:25Willing Spy says apparently it was more on the principal. P-A-L. It was flagged by AI, turned away by the person in charge. The principal said, oh no, call the cops. Oh, man. Cops wouldn't have seen the footage.

3:19:51there's a discussion question here with no sources no topics no uh talking points etc should lmg become an ad agency oh uh let's save that for later all right not talking about that uh xbox wants okay fine we can just we can just do it now colton colton has discussed on multiple occasions um farming out our biz team essentially to other creators do you think there's a like a value in that yes i know multiple that would want to join turns out most people don't start making youtube videos about things that they're extremely interested in often autistically interested in uh because they want to do business things and they would prefer those things are just handled for them i don't know maybe we just should then because like i don't know going through processes like like factory tours for instance the perfect example of something that no conventional agency could possibly understand but we have experience with all this kind of stuff you mentioned not even that long ago that a uh a different form of agency than the agency we would be making mentioned that we are really nice to work with because we like get it and have been doing it forever there is a certain level of experience and expertise that we can bring to the table that some people need does everyone need it no that's fine but there are people out there that would that would love to work with us on this and why deny them it's not like we have to force so here's a question for you here's a question for you and it's one that i don't know if it has a cut and dried answer.

3:21:33We have a pretty hard stance, for instance, on gambling ads, right? So what if we're working with a creator that doesn't have a hard stance on gambling ads, and that's their personal compass, right? Like I'm not generally going to give people a hard time if they need to need to make money and you know that's uh that's within their sort of bounds or whatever i i don't i don't like it um but you know in general i'm not gonna just like go on stream blasting other creators for working with better help or working with you know gambling or or or alcohol or whatever right tobacco and alcohol like all the stuff that we kind of have our lines on right um so if that creator if if a brand reaches out to work with a creator that we represent and they're a brand that works in a vertical that we choose not to be involved in um let's go with something more i shouldn't say more socially acceptable because gambling is perfectly socially acceptable at this point these days alcohol big time like functionally every adult that i know consumes alcohol in some form or another so um long range high five yeah we yeah i'm sorry that's i didn't mean we don't like you and me i wasn't i wasn't going for like a thing i just meant like um but we don't generally advertise that yeah yeah we don't work with alcohol companies not not generally like we just don't and uh but like i don't i don't have like a moral objection to alcohol like i don't care other people can drink alcohol it's just not interesting to me and so um you know where's the line because we've made a decision as lmg not to profit from you know alcohol right but if this agency if we start up this agency I don't think we'd be a very good agency if we started inserting our own values.

3:23:50If we put our own values in between a legal transaction between two other parties. I mean, this is something we've talked about extensively. Yeah, with like MasterCard and Visa and all those guys. In my opinion, and I've said this on WAN Show like a bajillion times, to be honest, is, you know, there's that whole, there's no ethical consumption under capitalism thing. There's also, there are too many things to fight for. And like, I have my things that I will and won't do, which I think makes the world better, or I vote with my wallet in certain ways, but I don't necessarily expect other people to do the same.

3:24:29And I generally assume that they have their own versions of that, which might be a little bit different than mine. So you say no to gambling. Someone else might say no to animal products. Yeah. Yeah, I admit, I love animals and I use animal products and eat animals without really even thinking about it. Yeah. I will say, dude, I was at the mall last night and they had puppies in cages and I was like, my heart was breaking. So I have my animal lines too. I'm so glad that that's illegal in Canada now. yeah anyway sorry uh but like what i'm saying is it's it's i don't think in in i deeply respect that we set our own lines and i expect that they would set their own lines and in this case i don't think it's our place really to decide where their lines are for them um that's that's how i would personally try to approach it um there are potentially certain things that could be just hard nose um i don't know that i even want to discuss those right now but there might be certain things where it's just like that's just actually deplorable for anyone at any point any time um i mean we've talked about uh we've talked about like on float plane for instance you know if we ever were approached by like an adult creator, for instance, we have firearms creators on float plane.

3:26:05And that's something that I know can be a very polarizing topic. But it's because we're trying to be a platform, right? Like it's a different thing. But is it? Like, hold on a second. No, I'm not saying it's a different thing than the business thing. I'm saying it's kind of the same thing as business thing. I'm saying it's a different thing than us doing it ourselves. um yeah yeah like it's uh and we you and i when when we talked about it what we basically settled on is if it is legal in the jurisdictions of everyone involved it's not our place to um to make a moral judgment on the the content of another content creator and i i think this is something that um you know any normal company would never talk about this on a live stream like that's the thing that i think a lot of people in the chat right now and we're gonna get crap for it we will get crap for this is that if we did if we decide you know to go forward with this with you know this sort of agency work or whatever else um if we didn't talk about it today you would never have noticed like name a single advertising agency that linus media group has ever worked with you can't because you don't know you have no way of knowing you know that we've worked with max borges for instance you just would have no way of knowing that the agency has nothing to do with the the finished product um that you're ultimately going to see on your screen on you know some other creators uh video right like it just doesn't work like that um i just thought it was a very interesting conversation and it's something that um you know i was chatting with colton about it's something that i've talked to taryn about it's something that i wanted to talk to you about and this kind of gives me an opportunity in a forum like this where people can kind of see the thought processes and they can they can get some insight into how you know how we operate as a business and how businesses and creators operate more broadly um so the agency would work with us and we would have our own lines and it sounds like what you're saying is basically um you know at the end of the day what's legal is not up to the platform to decide which is a position that we've advocated for publicly yeah multiple times and i really do see that put your money where your mouth is to a certain degree i see that i see the game platform um credit card processing arguments very similarly but i will say that like here's a here's like the reason yeah can i be edgy for a sec you can be as edgy as you want i mean it's your uh It's your funeral, right?

3:29:07What if it's... Viking funeral, specifically. You have children. What if it's... You know how there was like a... Man, what was that game? Is it weird that I'd want to be the one that hits the boat? Like I would be trying really hard? I suspect you all would be. Which is like part of why it's so sick. Anyways. Sorry, sorry. I got off topic a little bit. it's nothing personal man like i don't you know no that's dope that's like the whole point i don't even take that negatively that's freaking sick i didn't even think of taking that negatively to be honest until you said it's nothing personal um okay so it remember raid shadow legends was like an ad for freaking everyone all the time everywhere for years yeah it might even still be um what if there was like a loli game are they a thousand years old yeah yeah yeah for sure they're like 10 000 year old space goddesses or something

3:30:20might have to deal with this because what i'm saying is there might still be lines but they might be pretty far out there and like where the hell do you draw this line like the first thing people started talking about in floatplane chat is genshin like no yeah i would take an ad for genshin impact like but are there absolutely scantily clad ladies that you have to justify as being a thousand years old probably i actually don't are there i've not i don't know i've not played genjin impact i didn't it's the first thing people said heard of it as i haven't played it either but i haven't heard of it as one of those types of games um the scantily cladness yeah but the them being looking like youngins oh uh well that one's not scantily clad though in the cover art i'm gonna bring up the cover art in the cover art there are scantily clad ones but this one's not scantily clad Yeah, hold on.

3:31:24Here's a Reddit thread. Dan, do you want to throw this up? Not scantily clad, fortunately, which is the only reason that I'm willing to put this on stream. But definitely young. Yeah, but who cares if they're not scantily clad, right? I think? Maybe? I mean I don't know what you do in the game There's all kinds of ways to sexualize Romance in the game I've no idea I've never played

3:32:10Icky Yeah Definitely icky Definitely legal um there's apparently no romance in the game okay helps a little bit it's not a negative here's the question though here's the question though because as soon as we start to make a judgment on genshin then we've drawn our line uh-huh but as a platform it's not about our line It's legals, legal lines. Yeah, because as soon as you take a stance, now it's a conversation every single time. Yep. So I think you kind of have to say like, we are, we don't think this, you know, let's assume the thing, forget Genshin, forget whatever else. Let's assume the thing that we're talking about is something that we strongly oppose.

3:33:07We could say. Let's just go with gambling. Sure. Let's go with gambling. And we do that, right? So we could say on our platforms and do often that we don't like gambling and we don't think it should be able to be promoted in the way that it is at the very least. Yeah. I mean, time and place for everything. If you and the boys want to have a poker night or whatever, far be it from me to be involved in that. The fact that that used to be illegal is wild. I agree. And I've said before that I actually, I really respect John Martin's form of gambling because he knew that he had the potential to go too far.

3:33:40So it would bring a fixed amount of money and he would bring a fixed amount of money that could afford him. It would be equivalent of going to like dinner and a show, right? Movie and dinner. And he'd get dinner there. He had probably the healthiest relationship with gambling out of any person I've ever met. I saw literally zero issue with it. And I'm traditionally a person who dislikes gambling because when I worked at the bread factory, dudes would get their checks, go blow the entire check and not be able to make rent and be homeless when they made enough money to not be homeless because they'd blow it all at the casino, which was terrible.

3:34:12Yeah. But there's a lot of people that can't moderate themselves when it comes to gambling. So that's where the problems are. And my main issues with it is how it's advertised and yada, yada, yada, yada, yada. But we can talk about that on here and we could talk about how we don't like these other things. But when you are the.

3:34:34When we're making these decisions for other people, we are effectively deciding law for them. And I don't think that's our place. OK, well, I'll take that perspective. um i'll take the um i'll take the perspective of the chat there were some really good comments from chat i think some of them don't take this the wrong way guys i think some of them were a little unrealistic um this is in this world is it's it's going to be pretty difficult for you to survive without interacting with any company that does things you disagree with um yeah and And is that just sort of a defeatist, crappy attitude?

3:35:17Sure. I would bet hard cash that you are doing that right now. And I don't even mean by talking to us. I mean the fact that this stream, if you're watching on Twitch, is part of Amazon. This stream, if you're watching on YouTube, is part of Google. Both of those companies are partnered with thousands and thousands of other companies. like you you can't you can't necessarily get away from this stuff it is it is deeply intertwined do you have literally anything in your house from nestle likely um do you even know because there's all the like sub companies and all that kind of stuff i got caught with cat food i didn't even know they made cat food i would have had no idea nestle really yeah yeah you've told me about that yep bonkers um dj spark had a good had a good comment though you know so long as it isn't illegal, we're willing to talk, but we won't force our staff to work with the company for you.

3:36:16So if no one on staff wants to touch it, you might have to look elsewhere for that particular production. I think that's a fair, a fair stance. You know, that sounds pretty good. I kind of like that. I dig that. I think there's ways that we can be more cool about it. We have precedence for that. When we were talking, we at one point in time, we were talking to an adult creator about joining Flowplane. And they were pretty close to joining. And I had a talk with all my staff at the time and was like if you don't want to interact or deal with their content at all we'll find a way to make sure that you don't have to how do we sequester that how do we cloister this away yeah um and it was it was like interesting news figured out oh go ahead that's it basically i my pickup is in 15 minutes okay um whoops should we blast merch messages uh we should probably get through well okay the prima rice size bionic eye implant looks really cool um roughly 200 roughly 22 million people in the united states have uh age-related macular degeneration which can affect your vision the device is two millimeters square and can be placed beneath the retina during a two-hour procedure after a month of healing it can be deactivated and wirelessly connects to a video camera mounted on augmented reality glasses that sends visual data to a tiny processor that uses ai to convert images to infrared patterns and can apparently significantly restore vision in more than 80 percent of 38 trial participants um incredibly cool incredibly wanted to highlight that absolute that's there's some good news tech and in other news xbox wants all your money this is a follow-up on the recent ltt video um microsoft execs apparently have demanded 30 margin from the xbox department so that's uh 2x the industry average apparently dev kits just got a 33 price increase uh the rog xbox ally x apparently runs better with linux or i don't know if it's the x or the non-x but whatever and halo is apparently coming to ps5 uh good luck xbox um wish you the best uh it's been a great run let's try Do you want to hit me with a couple merch messages before I have to go?

3:38:25Don't do any for me then. I wonder if there's a way for me to carry this around with me or something while I pack. Because I have not packed. I intentionally tilted this up. So this place is kind of a disaster area right now. You can't really see my mess over there. You can one-hand it. I believe in you. You can one-hand it. Let's just blast through some of these then. I'm a little tethered to things, you know? Speaking of tethered, are the new cables going to be cat resistant? And when's the messenger bag coming? They will not be braided. And from my experience, that's the main issue. Oh, that's going to be a huge thing.

3:39:02For cats and cables. Are you planning to use the GPD Win 5? Oh, yeah, messenger bag. Is that coming? Messenger bag. Are we working on a messenger bag right now? That's a good question for Matthew. Do you mind? Do you want to forward that to Matthew? Or is it too late to forward it if you've already curated it? uh yeah it's probably a bit too late now i know there's people internally that are also hard for a messenger style bag 9 30 i will make sure that they're aware of that um are you planning to use the gpd win 5 the new game console thing um we have one oh we have one i'm still i'm still traveling with my ally actually got my og ally right there with the upgraded battery i haven't actually moved to the x i oh man i'm really 50 50 on the ergo it's really great for certain situations but it's really not what i'm used to and i'm very comfortable on the ally and i don't need the extra performance right now i'm playing final fantasy tactics so like okay whatever good lead in how is final fantasy tactics and uh are luke and dan gonna play it uh wait hold on win five yes i'm gonna i'm gonna get it and yes luke should play it maybe not i don't know it's not for everyone I suspect I would like it actually but it's very expensive right now I'm waiting for a discount oh yeah I have a lot of queued games in front of it so I'm in no need of a game right now I haven't been able to play games in like two months so like literally at all literally wrecked I'm a proud father of a yeah and frists I'm a proud father of a one month old girl what's the first video game you played with your firstborn?

3:40:43linus and uh have you heard of the edison motor uh now doing a hybrid big rig oh yeah that was my face that's super awesome that's a good idea are they local they're yeah they're in bc yeah yeah oh yeah i still want to do a video with them we got to get that going yeah um first game i I played with my kids. Do maternally. Yeah, definitely not that. The first one I remember playing with my firstborn, like not just him sitting in my lap while I played, the first one I remember playing with him was Towerfall. That's funny because that's the first one I remember playing with him. Yeah, that was fun.

3:41:27That was a lot of fun playing with you guys. What's up, Linus? So you talked ages ago about making more tools for the LDD brand, even if they're not innovative as we want. LDD branded tools, any updates? We're working on it. We're building a supplier network. We're building better processes for bringing products to market in a more timely fashion. The engineering team is hard at work on many, many projects. And I see no reason why we couldn't become... Actually, hold on. I see no reason why we couldn't become a tool brand. I think they, I think we're learning a lot. We've made some, we've made some mistakes.

3:42:10The, I think we're, but yeah, no, I think we've learned a lot. And I think that we can apply what we've learned to a lot of different categories of tool and make something that's just like really, really great and not outlandishly priced with great support. I think the support is a really key part of it, the Trust Me Bro guarantee. And I think over time, as people's memories of how mad they were about me saying that fade because we've put our money where our mouth is, that may be branding that we even lean into more and more over time. As I told you guys to trust me, bro, and the ones who did are feeling pretty good about it at this point.

3:42:50And let's keep that train going. How are we for time? I, like, really need to go. If there's any more that specifically address me, then great. Probably nothing directly. I was trying to, yeah, I was probably not going to get through these. We should be good. Okay, I might have to go. So, wait, are we cutting? Is that the end of the show then? I don't know how you want to handle that. There's something for Luke. If a Luke buys in the forest and I don't hear it, does the WAN show end? Yes, he is the one that ends the show. I had to end it. before the show started because he said bye to somebody.

3:43:31Luke, why would you do this? Hey. I'm sorry. Okay, we'll see you again next week then. Same bad time, same bad channel. Don't do it. See ya. Wait, is it not over? Well, I'm assuming I'm finishing merch messages, right? Oh, right, right, right, right, right. Okay, bye. We can't leave them hanging, but yeah, see ya. Okay. you almost said it i almost did i almost i feel like he baited me but he did he did he did yeah now i gotta like cut him out as well and i also didn't set it to white after dark it's also frantic uh we're fine that button we'll be all right luke cam doesn't have linus in it but your chairs you know this frame right here which is linus's a plus certification has like three spiders living behind it i need a new vacuum there's rat stuff everywhere here too even though i'm surrounded by traps i was i was stuck i i had to take a meeting and i was i couldn't get over to the labs which is where my desk is uh desks i guess it was weird but anyways um i couldn't get over there in time so i just ran over to the wandset and took it here because i was like this would probably be free um i ran into so many spiders and two different mice that's great i was like it's very lively here when we're not around i feel like they know like fridays to just like just leave yeah yeah don't disgusting don't come out all right questions for luke yes how is the new build of the store coming building a custom theme or based off horizon would love to see the behind some scenes of that process after it goes live it's still a little bit up in the air horizon uh that is that a specific theme sounds about right i don't think we're currently planning on horizon um there are a few different ones we're looking at we're working with an agency things are kind of i don't know uh we're a big company now doing big company stuff uh but yeah things are not currently set in stone yeah but it's coming question for the two l's well there's only one now in your opinion what is the dumbest thing the other has ever done uh linus doesn't get to defend himself now yeah as an arbiter of the talent which is the dumbest of all linus

3:46:01top of mind for linus i think he would say the the pizza heater but i think there's probably something deeper than that that he'd he'd rip me for uh for him uh this is spicy

3:46:20um it's either his just like stupid take on the backpack warranty stuff or it's the forum response to steve i mean it's one of those two i mean sure um yeah and i think i win this one so moving on yeah you do uh luke thoughts on the community effort to run the big screen beyond two on linux really glad to not have to dual boot also thanks for bringing undies back of course mere days after i bought some from ludwig i had no idea about the big screen beyond two on linux thing that sounds amazing i would be really happy if they got that going um i have still not been able to use it because my house is uh broken effectively still waiting for you to use it so that i know if i should spend the oh you can borrow it effort borrow it oh yeah okay do it yeah i literally can't use it you i mean sure you might as well i'd have to bring my sim rig out again but like sure i mean you could hook it up here yeah yeah i guess that's true you want it i think that i mean we have one here that i could play with as well fair enough but it's just like yeah you can like actually take mine home for a bit if you want like it's it's not going to be super soon that i'd be able to use it so i'm sorry to hear that yeah but i mean you might as well profit or not if i like it that's the major concern loss yeah i mean is it really i'm really excited i think it'll be really cool i was so excited for the first one to come out and then i procrastinated because i'm like that yeah and now there's a second one so i think i'll probably just get that one i saw the first one and was like pretty confident that they were going to survived to make a second one and i was like i feel like the second one's gonna be kind of a banger and i waited and i'm happy with my planning on that hello first time merch messenger long time viewer i was wanting to know if luke has read the stormlight archive i think you would really enjoy it uh i'm pretty sure let me look this up really quick stormlight archive i'm pretty sure this is on oh brandon sanderson no but this is on my list of things to read brandon sanderson is awesome um i have a massive backlog of uh nerdforge has a video on this what what we made massive versions of the stormlight archive by brandon sanderson that's so cool that's really cool they're so cool nerdforge is cool anyways yeah i will read those at some point that will actually happen my like reading list is not something that just lasts forever and never ever moves forward um it moves forward slowly because i read slowly but uh it does move it does move so i am certain i will read it eventually one of them reached out to maybe do a game jam one of these days which i think would be a lot of fun huh uh one of the nerds forge oh yeah yeah that'd be incredible i didn't even know they did that me neither that's so cool but yeah terrified hi do it though yeah i know i Hell yeah.

3:49:27That sounds amazing. Hi, Linus, Took, and Tan. Given the upcoming tectodopamine direct pipeline, sorry, the words are split. What steps do you think we can take as a society to prevent more phone addiction, more antisocial behavior?

3:49:50It's tough. It's tough because it's so easy, which is the problem. promote within your friend group and your relationships uninstalling certain apps promote having like timers on your stuff

3:50:09and try to yeah and try to like build habits where you aren't on your phone like i had um some really good old buddies of mine we had a game night not that long ago uh where we We played the Slay the Spire board game, which is incredibly good, by the way. Like, masterful board game. One of the best board games I've ever played. And it's four-player co-op. And it was fantastic. And no one was ever on their phones. The whole time. And it just, like, felt cool. Everyone was very present. So if you build this, like, culture within your group of the people that you're spending time with are not just on their phones all the time.

3:50:48It's good. And I have found myself being not good at this before. pretty often to be clear um and it's something that i'm currently actively working on um but yeah support others in working on it and work on it yourself and just try to be the the brightness you want to see in the world that isn't your phone screen have you heard of arc raiders yeah that sounds positive yeah I played the beta and it was freaking sick the problem that I have the mechanics feel great the droid things I don't know what they're actually called the robots in the game people want them to be nerfed I strongly disagree I think those need to be terrifying and wild the way they are I saw some early builds of this it looked amazing I was like new but then third person and like it looks super fun it it what i had a black semi pve right semi it's still it's still definitely pvp but you can play a good match without interacting with people but that's also true with tarkov yeah of course so if you consider tarkov semi pvp which i don't think people would i think they'll just consider it pvp um then it's effectively the same my one issue with it and i have not played since their last beta well i guess it's just coming out thursday do they mean next thursday whatever i don't have a computer right now that like works so uh i have not been in the loop but uh yeah single-player karkov okay fine fair enough um but i i don't suspect i'm gonna play this on launch i'm gonna play battlefield 6 i'm a little behind right now but the problem that i had in the beta was that the loop didn't feel great when you were in the game things that mechanically felt fantastic the movement felt really good a lot of the guns felt really good um the the combat both with with droid things and and clankers and humans was with was quite good The balance of things seemed pretty good.

3:53:02But the looting kind of sucked. And the why do I care was pretty extremely lacking. What is the point? In Tarkov, it's pretty obvious why you're doing what you're doing. The storyline is there. The storyline of Tarkov, despite being... No one ever reads any of the tasks and all that kind of stuff. the storyline is very straightforward you're stuck in this like quarantine zone um you're fighting to survive and you need to try to get out so you're gathering survival supplies which include like all these little tiny micro gun bits and attachments and stuff in arc raiders it's like i got the the blue hand grip that's awesome i'm excited i can't wait till i get the purple hand grip which is better and it's just it's very boring and feels empty in regards to the looting the progression um so i hope they figure that out and i don't think i'm the only one that feels that way so uh yeah but the feel and stuff is like fantastic and i do suspect that they can figure out the story stuff so hopefully they do hi dan luke and linus well just us two i guess you've You've spoken previously about contacting Wendell for help with complex technical topics.

3:54:23He's our tech support. What's the most obscure technical knowledge Wendell has provided that impressed you? Who does Wendell go to? Steve Banner? Himself. His conscious asks himself questions and he answers it. Linus, sorry Linus, how do Linux work? Yeah. And he just shrugs, says, oh, let me call Wendell, and then pauses and looks at his phone and then has a little cry.

3:54:55I feel like it's like an animated short. For some reason, I just watched that all happen. Thank you. Yes. Yes. I am a creative. That was fantastic. Most obscure technical knowledge. Dude, I don't know. It's just constant with him. one of the just i'm just gonna glaze the crap out of wendell one of the one of the coolest things about hanging out with wendell is that you like feel dumb because he's so smart but then he doesn't make you feel dumb does that make any sense i've sound dumb just saying that uh it's it's less i don't think talking to wendell you feel dumb i think when you talk to wendell it's like hey i don't have this knowledge yeah and then he's like yeah that's a good way of saying here's the knowledge and you're like thanks come along this interesting journey i have learned yeah and he wants to and he's also interested in learning things himself yeah and he's just i don't know he's just such a wholesome positive dude amazing source of reason in the world where there are few.

3:56:03Wendell's great. And last one I've got. This one's, I think, mostly for you. How would you like to see a tape-to-tape and Shorzy crossover? Certainly think it would be a fruitful collab. A fruitful collab. I think it would be fantastic. I've mentioned this on Wancho before. The reason why I mention it is because Shorzy has their own hockey game. And while it is in early access, I did not enjoy it so much. that I played for like, I think 15, 20 minutes and then alt F forward and never looked back and we'll wait for the full release release and then try again for sure. But I really wish they just collaborated with tape to tape and made like a team and tape to tape or something, or like an alternate campaign that was like Shorzy based.

3:56:51That would be sick.

3:56:56I think two incredibly small indie games both being hockey games is a lot to ask especially with them both being early access at the same time guys come on

3:57:14but hey if it's good, sick sounds good. I bought it because I wanted to support Shorzy because I freaking love that show it's fantastic but yeah wasn't my happiest game purchase ever again it's early access can't judge it too hard but yeah and that's all I got and that's it same bad time same bad channel bye

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