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22:10Luke Lafreniere:So, so far, everyone except Microsoft is kind of on defense right now. Are you kind of picking up what I'm throwing down right now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Microsoft doesn't have much

22:25Linus Sebastian:to defend right now.

22:27Luke Lafreniere:What if Microsoft is the one who comes in with Project Helix, which is the codename for the next-gen xbox and does the like 299 and walks off stage and to be clear it's not going to be 299 don't don't live in a diluted la la land where you think you're going to get a console you said it no i know i don't mean literally 299 but honestly you know against the backdrop of of rising technology prices. I think if they walked on stage and even said$4.99 at this point, that would be a mic drop moment. I'm not sure how much hope I should have because Microsoft has actually also said prior to Asha Sharma's leadership that the next gen Xbox will be very expensive.

23:18Luke Lafreniere:But like Microsoft has also done a two-tiered strategy already twice. So just because the the x skew is really expensive that doesn't mean that there won't be a really compelling value option we don't know that so do you have luke can you find check your pinky can you just look at check your pinky can you find even like a single tiny bone in your body like a pinky size bone that contains any hope for xbox to be the savior of the next generation of consoles can you find that hope he's trying but he's trying folks he's oh my god the brow furrow oh i'm watching i'm watching in

24:06Linus Sebastian:real time as you're as you're trying so hard oh man my my gut says no but you are saying one singular bone and I have I have a lot of bones um yeah can you bone this uh I don't know I can I can hope I seriously doubt though if you look at yeah Microsoft's path with Xbox for so long now the answer from them is for sure no um but you know she's also clearly down to try to change the path and change the strategy um so maybe they figure out i think it really depends on like what are the goals that have been given to her is she supposed to make it so that xbox isn't the laughing stock of consoles anymore in regards to like when you're saying like oh the other people are raising their prices and i'm sitting here being like yeah and xbox is raising their price on what like they don't have to raise their price no one's buying their consoles it doesn't matter um like what what is that what is that random thing that outsold xboxes for christmas oh the uh next cube not the the the yeah next cube or whatever it's called

25:18Luke Lafreniere:is that is that what it's called i oh man what is it called is it called next cube definitely not the ouya uh no no not something else uh what am i thinking we don't even know the name of it dude

25:33Linus Sebastian:and it outsold Xbox. That's my point. So like is... From... Next Playground. Next Playground. NEX, not NEX. Yeah. So you were close.

25:44Luke Lafreniere:They Xbox connected better than Microsoft was ever able to Xbox Connect and managed to outsell the Xbox with a console that effectively requires a subscription. It's freaking wild that that thing has found that market that it has and absolutely killed it the way that they have. kudos to them.

26:03Linus Sebastian:Yeah, and it's stomped. So like, is the goal from higher than her that was given to her, like her KPI for her, not even Microsoft, but for her, was her KPI, hey, we want to be taken seriously in the console space again. We want to sell some freaking consoles and get our name out there and be a big player again, because we're honestly not right now. Or was it just revenue line go up? Because if it was just revenue line or profit line go up, maybe, because if it was just that she might be incentivized to focus on what she's technically been focusing on so far at least publicly which is game pass and and and pushing game pass even

26:41Luke Lafreniere:harder and getting game pass and not including cod in game pass because that cost them a whole bunch of revenue yeah um so like is it is it those things or is it make xbox a console that people

26:55Linus Sebastian:actually buy again because if it's this one if it's hey we're going to try to invest in the future We're going to try to get our market share back in the console space. We're going to do these things. We're going to double down on consoles continuing to exist. Because it felt like in the era of like metaverse, VR, all that kind of stuff, Microsoft was just going like, no one's even going to have consoles anymore. Let's ditch them. But that seems to be going away. Yeah, what's up?

27:22Luke Lafreniere:Okay, okay, okay. Here's what I want to know. This I'm actually like hyper interested in your perspective on because I think that you almost have like two competing fragments of your soul in your body that are almost, that have goals that are almost in perfect conflict with each other. Because on the one side, you were an Xbox kid. And when you see a green Xbox logo, that makes a little lizard part of your brain light up and go, yeah, Xbox. Yep. Dun, dun, dun, dun. Dun, dun, dun, dun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly, right? Okay. Okay, other side of your, other fragment of your soul is PC gamer. Why would I game on anything that I didn't build with my own two hands, or Linus' children built it for me, or whatever.

28:14Luke Lafreniere:Some variant of... Why would I play on a computer that didn't have child labor involved?

28:19Linus Sebastian:Exactly, exactly. What are we even talking about?

28:21Luke Lafreniere:Good news, Luke, you don't have to. None of us do, if we're being very honest. Yeah, dang. oh okay let's move on from that really really fast um and and and and rooting for the customizability and the diy spirit of of pc gaming and i think that part of you has really embraced the way that microsoft is has is making the pc more xbox like and buying a single license of an xbox game gives you the right to play on pc and and i i suspect you're also pretty down for like the xbox full screen experience and how it you know makes your pc run slightly more efficiently and less like a windows machine and more like a gaming machine how do those two pieces of you reconcile with each other when we know when we know in our heart of hearts that the thing that makes a console generation successful more than any other more than any other rule in the playbook exclusives is exclusive yeah see you knew exactly where i was going with it that's what sells consoles so how can xbox be come back to its former glory without like dead rising and without halo exclusives and without without all these things that made the 360 era the peak of xbox what would it look like for you?

29:48Linus Sebastian:Yeah, it's tough. The exclusives one is interesting because Sony and Xbox both started pushing games to Steam. There's a chart that I saw recently that was super interesting, which was like PlayStation exclusives and how they performed on Steam. Helldivers was way up there, but a lot of other things did pretty well, but Helldivers killed it. A lot of people... That's a lot of PlayStation games. on PC, people are still buying tons of PlayStations. So I kind of feel like them putting Microsoft exclusives on PlayStation might be the too far move in terms of exclusives. But I don't know 100%. I also don't know if this is just my brain trying to convince me this is true or if I actually believe it's true.

30:40Linus Sebastian:But I don't know that putting games on PC ruins your console attractiveness. Now, I would also have to dive deeper into the time.

30:52Luke Lafreniere:Do you want to dive first or can I counterpoint that first? It's up to you. I was going to add a really quick thing, basically,

30:58Linus Sebastian:that I don't know how PlayStation has done it. I don't know if there's like an exclusive window at the beginning and then they released it or not.

31:04Luke Lafreniere:That's exactly what I was going to bring up is that the PlayStation 5 generation has been one of shifting strategies for Sony. At the beginning of the generation, there was to my knowledge games that to anyone's knowledge were never going to come to another platform or at the very least there was literally no given timeline then sony kind of started to do this thing where it turned out they were actually selling like you know a lot of playstation games on steam and they started to talk about you know when the window is going to open and when you'll be able to buy these PlayStation games on other platforms.

31:48Luke Lafreniere:Now, I don't think this has actually been confirmed formally. And someone can correct me if I'm wrong. Hit me up in the chat, guys. But from my understanding, Sony has now sort of started to look at these numbers in the gear up to PlayStation 6 and gone, okay, well, hold on a second. Maybe we need to dial back this exclusives on pc on steam strategy because are we selling enough playstation 5s right now um i would say we're not that's that's my understanding of kind of where where it's at right now um so could you see a future where there's a window where where xbox exclusives exist on Xbox exclusively for some period of time, a year, year and a half, two years even, and then they kind of open up the floodgates and go, okay, let's grab some more extra revenue now that this has moved as many consoles as it will.

32:49Linus Sebastian:I honestly think even six months would be completely fine. The world moves so fast now. One thing that I want to throw out there is this chart from the Alina Insight newsletter, Alina Analytics sub stack. Copies sold. Top PlayStation Studios games by copies sold. You see Hellbivers 2 is way, way, way up here. This is sold on Steam. I don't have the stats for on PlayStation. As far as my understanding goes, this game sold gangbusters on PlayStation 2. PlayStation as well. Thank you. It was released simultaneously on PC and PlayStation 5. It did release on Xbox, but it was way delayed on Xbox. Oh, but closer to the window I was talking about.

33:35Linus Sebastian:Not a year or two years. It looks like it was released on PlayStation and PC in February. And it was released on Xbox in August. Same year. No, not same year. Next year. So it was a pretty big window.

33:49Luke Lafreniere:Okay, so like 18 months almost.

33:50Linus Sebastian:That's huge.

33:51Luke Lafreniere:I mean, we're in pretty uncharted territory right now. Pun kind of intended here. where this whole thing with exclusive, but like not exclusive, but maybe timed, but maybe sometimes not timed. You know, I think it's pretty obvious that Nintendo has drawn a clear line in the sand. They allow their IPs in other forms of media now, like there's that mobile Mario Kart game. And you know what, actually? I mean, their IPs have actually, I remember, what was it, Mario is Missing was like a PC, a PC Nintendo IP game back from when like I was a kid. So they allow their IPs on other platforms, but Nintendo seems pretty clear that if you want to play a Nintendo game, you will play it on a Switch console or they will come after you.

34:50Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, is this, did I imagine this? Maybe it was something else.

34:54Linus Sebastian:no I mean it shows SuperNest as the as the image but it says platforms MS-DOS Macintosh, Windows, NES and SuperNest

35:03Luke Lafreniere:I remember seeing it for sale at London Drugs I've never heard of this before anyway I never actually played it I just remember seeing it people did not like it so much well okay maybe that was the one maybe that was what chased them off the PC in the first place maybe but okay so you've laid out your ideal strategy, which is that Microsoft doubles down on the Xbox hardware being affordable, right? I, where I don't know if you actually said that, but it was kind of, yeah,

35:32Linus Sebastian:I asked, I mean, if they want consoles to, if they want their console to continue to exist in a meaningful way, they need to make a splash back. Cause they're going to have to win everyone that went to PlayStation five back, which is going to be tough. Yeah. So they're going to need to come in and swing in with something big. They, it would be real good for them. if they had a Halo-like game, which... What's the last Microsoft Studio game? Forza, I guess, would be the last one standing. Forza Horizon 6 is coming. Yeah, that's coming. It'll be too early for the console launch.

36:11Luke Lafreniere:But in terms of blockbuster, first-party Microsoft game, or even exclusive game, like I'm having a hard time even even thinking of any yeah lightning XCE in chats like I don't know Halo 2 remake again yeah like

36:33Linus Sebastian:yikes man so I don't know what they have to like really bring people in and Halo has diminished pretty hard yeah I honestly don't know if they're capable of bringing it back starfield was kind of bleh um yeah i'm not confident in bethesda being able to release a good game don't worry activision blizzard will do it uh yeah okay uh sure i don't know they sure spent a lot of money buying some stuff okay nokie put together a comprehensive list for

37:13Luke Lafreniere:us here we go cool microsoft flight simulator 2024 gears of war reloaded i could say you look like you look like i i know it didn't happen because i'm not in the room with you but you look like someone farted and that's what you look like i know it didn't happen because i'm not in

37:31Linus Sebastian:the room with you is hilarious he farts on wancho so much and you guys have no idea

37:39Luke Lafreniere:Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition Is that helping?

37:47Luke Lafreniere:Lightning X CE New Fable You know what? A killer

37:52Linus Sebastian:Fable game Dude, the new Fable That doesn't have Character Physical changes Based on karma status What? Really? Yeah, did you hear about that? How's it even Fable? Right? What are you doing? New Fable Won't have We made a different game and slapped the name on it.

38:10Luke Lafreniere:This is one of those things that I just kind of, I look at and I go, look, I understand from a game developer standpoint and even from like a fan and community standpoint, you know, the sequel shouldn't just be like slap a coat of paint on it, Force Awakens it and just make the same thing again, you know? but how can you not yeah how can you take something that was like a core standout differentiating feature of the original and just go eh

38:43Linus Sebastian:when people would tell me about Fable when Fable was first coming out that was the thing that they would tell you that was it it's an RPG and the actions that you do physically change your character based on karma status it's like oh wow interesting uh boom pointed out it's like civ 7 forcing you to switch civs all the time amazing example of just like what are you doing like i i honestly have no interest in ever launching civ 7 again

39:11Luke Lafreniere:that game is just cooked in my mind like i don't even care about cosmetics like you know this i've never spent a dollar on cosmetics in my life and just just out of silent protest towards horse armor and everything that followed it. I mean, you know this too. I played a bunch of Halo Infinite. I earned a bunch of helmets and armor and like what skins. And I stubbornly played with the stock skin no matter what my rank was. I actually even did the same thing in Clear Obscure where they're not even, they're not even purchasable. I just, I played with the stock outfits the whole game because I'm just like, I don't know, whether I'm old school or whether I just like can't stand the idea of microtransactions and cosmetics in my game.

39:56Luke Lafreniere:I just, I don't, I don't want to even allow myself to assign a value to my character looking a little bit different. And I'm probably, yeah, I'm probably, I've gone too far. And that, that's, that's like, that's totally fine. But even for someone like me who goes out of my way to proudly publicly not care about cosmetics in fable, there would have been times when I was like, this quest would be easier or this situation would be easier if I just murdered the crap out of everyone. And I didn't because I didn't want to like Senator Palpatine myself. Yeah. And I wanted to... So tying the moral choice to your physical appearance in that way...

40:46Luke Lafreniere:It's super interesting. ...really impacted gameplay for me in a way that I think would actually be even more impactful in the era of in-game cosmetics and in-game outfits. And to not do that is like...

41:04Linus Sebastian:Actual insanity. People are saying... It's crazy to me. By the way, that apparently Fraxis has announced that they are going to maybe be walking the force changing of Civs back or something. I don't know the details. No one linked an article, but multiple people said this. What would that even look like? I don't know. People are saying it might be a different mode now. Yeah, they did with the time of update, something test of time. I don't know, but something may have changed or be changing or something like that. But honestly, I played one match of Civ 7, and every single Civ game that I remember playing since, I think, Civ 4, you play it on launch, and it's like, ooh, it's a little rough.

41:49Linus Sebastian:But I see the bones. This will be cool. We'll come back in some updates. They release some expansions, and it becomes really, really good. And then you wait, and the next game comes out, and the same thing happens. Civ 7 was the first time that I played it, and it was like, the bones are rotten.

42:02Luke Lafreniere:Oh, here it is. This game is rough. Civ 7 players can once again play as a single civilization in a massive overhaul update that is tentatively coming in spring. So it's not here yet. These updates are similar in scope to an expansion. So there's hope, Luke. Maybe.

42:19Linus Sebastian:There is hope. I won't completely give up, but I will say... Like, I specifically remember playing Civ 6 and being like, ooh, I don't like a lot of these systems. I don't like how this works. But, you know, they do this every time. I'll just wait and then it'll get good. and then I like Civ VI now I didn't have that reaction playing Civ VII and you know if they can pull it out they don't have Luigi anymore so that'll be rough if they can pull

42:46Luke Lafreniere:that'll be rough I think it would be considered a win though they lost their ace in a hole

42:51Linus Sebastian:they lost their six shooter

42:53Luke Lafreniere:I don't want to talk about Xbox forever that was that was crazy what you just said and I'm glad I was talking over it I want to play a fun game before we finally move on from talking about Xbox but Amaker in float plane chat kind of inspired a little short conversation that I want to have with chat here and said if Microsoft bought Project Red and made the Cyberpunk sequel an exclusive to Xbox I would definitely go back I think that's literally the only title I can think of that would bring me back to Xbox and I actually want chat. I want you guys to kind of give me your line. Give me your bribe that it would take for Microsoft to win you back.

43:41Linus Sebastian:That's an interesting question. Yeah, like force you back to Xbox. Witcher 4 and Cyberpunk 2087 or something, both coming to the new Xbox console would be pretty, that'd be a pretty big pull. One of the things that -

43:57Luke Lafreniere:And don't say GTA 6. It's not happening. It's not relevant. I shouldn't say it's not relevant. It's very relevant. Honestly, it's not relevant to this conversation.

44:05Linus Sebastian:Yeah, give me something a little more realistic. I think something that's kind of funny about that argument to me is the thing that would bring you back to Xbox is them buying another game studio. And seeing how they've handled the ones that they have. I would prefer that just doesn't happen, I think. They have new leadership. I need to try to remember that and have some hope because she's been saying good things and has done a good thing so far. Yeah, Peter, just one more hit, bro. Yeah, I don't know.

44:40Luke Lafreniere:I don't know, man. Oh, man. Elijah says Elder Scrolls 6 being exclusive might. CatOS is like Portal 3. Okay, we all know that's never happening. People got me, man.

44:53Linus Sebastian:Titanfall 3. Titanfall 3. If they actually made a genuinely good successor to Titanfall 2, that would be my hook. 100%. I would be done. I'd be cooked immediately. Because that's the, in my opinion, Titanfall 2 is, I don't know how nobody freaking played it because EA is dumb and never marketed it. But you look at reviews on Steam, overwhelmingly positive. Everyone loved it. The community is super strong. That's the like Halo. That's their Halo. If they market Titanfall 3 properly and they get the IP somehow and they get some of the spirit that actually made Titanfall 2 and they make a genuinely good successor to it, that game would slam.

45:33Luke Lafreniere:The combat is so fun. It's so fun. That game is just, and it's one of those things where it's like, you know how wine connoisseurs will talk about the body and the aroma and the whatever. you know we can be the same about games right where we start to kind of pick them apart and we talk about the innovative mechanics and the stunning visuals and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah but at the end of the day does any of it matter unless it's fun has to be titanfall 2 i could say a lot of really sort of pretentious things that are really good about it but at the end of the day it's fun sometimes you're in a mech

46:13Linus Sebastian:And it's never not fun.

46:15Luke Lafreniere:The weight and the momentum of this mech, you can feel it. I was never even a mech warrior kid, but it was satisfying. And it was great. And those combat sequences made sense. You had big weapons and you fought big stuff. And then it's kind of like 90s Power Rangers, man, where then that didn't mean that you could just solve every problem with your big mech. Sometimes you had to fight on the ground and cool mirror's edge, like parkour and like running and sliding and like really satisfying gun combat too. It's just such a fun game. Okay, okay. I think we're starting to lay a groundwork here, Luke.

46:54Luke Lafreniere:So they need to actually somehow turn around Bethesda and make a good Elder Scrolls game. That would be massive as well. They need to do Titanfall 2. Cod is going to be Cod, right? But I don't think at this point you can make COD Xbox exclusive. I don't think there's any putting... closing that Pandora's box again.

47:20Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I don't think they should, to be honest. Just keep saying. If I'm trying to fully put my Microsoft hat on, I don't think they should do that with COD. I don't think so either. Taking COD off PC would be crazy work at this point. Obsidian-based New Vegas sequel? I don't think they can do... I don't think they even should do a New Vegas sequel, to be honest. I think just doing an Obsidian-based Fallout, though, could be pretty sick. If they get Bethesda to just really actually make a good game again, and they focus on Elder Scrolls VI and just leave them there, and get Obsidian to wake up and make things, and make Fallout, that'd be awesome.

48:09Linus Sebastian:they somehow get the IP and actually do right by it with Titanfall that would be amazing because honestly I don't think they can make Halo I feel like Halo's like aged out I don't know how you fix it I think maybe if you get off of Spartans or something like if you

48:31Luke Lafreniere:focus on like what is even Halo without Spartans

48:33Linus Sebastian:though like come on yeah if you somehow focus on like ODSGs planets too

48:39Luke Lafreniere:you know like what are we even what are we even talking about yeah i'm not sure yeah people said there's odst we should move on uh mad scribe says hey steam controller has a reservation queue now so if you want one uh that's probably the way to do it so if you don't want to get scalped on that and uh man don't pay 300 for a steam controller it's a good controller at 100 it was kind of hard for me to wholeheartedly recommend. At$300, it is impossible for me to recommend. I don't buy a scalper. Go sign up for the queue. Give Valve your money, not predatory scalpers. I don't know why I have to say this.

49:17Luke Lafreniere:If we all just got together and never paid a scalper for anything, they wouldn't exist anymore, and it would be a better world. Don't do that. But let's move on. We should probably get some sponsors done. Hey, Dan? I can't see your thing. Or why don't I jump into the CW announcements first? We actually have a pretty loaded up week for CW. Some of you have noticed this already, but to celebrate our new website, dbrand. Luke, do you want to share your screen? Yeah, let me get there. dbrand products, select dbrand products are now available on LTTstore.com with exclusive colorways, ghost and green circuit that look absolutely flipping amazing and the best part is that unlike if you order these products from dbrand's website you will actually get both the ghost circuit skin and the green circuit skin for the product that you select so we've got skins for Switch 2 as well as for Steam Deck for key modern phones I've actually gotten a ton of comments where is it where's my phone there it is I've gotten a ton of comments on my green circuit skin here it's got just like very OG classic circuit board vibes and then we've got the white one the ghost circuit has like a super cool kind of prismatic you'll have to find maybe another shot to um dan has some shots on his computer that show how it kind of catches the light uh dan do you want to just uh do you want to show those and just go back to uh yeah you can kind of see it on the on kind of the bottom there what else you got hit me yeah you can see it kind of at the bottom of the phone there yeah it's super cool dude was up in floatplane chazas i knew you were using a skin that wasn't a thing before you ignored me for a reason i understand i'm not mad at you anymore I'm glad we're good.

51:21Luke Lafreniere:I'm glad we're good, dude. What's up? Anyway, freaking excited about this partnership. So now if you wanted to get a dbrand case for your device, then you can also pick up some awesome stuff from LTTstore.com at the same time. And I've got a couple of things that you can pick up that are new. For this week, we're launching our LTT Precision Multi-Bit Standard Kit. So a little while ago, we rebranded the Precision Kit Pro, and that was in preparation for this because we now have two tiers of our Precision multi-bit screwdrivers. This one is designed for everyday repairs, upgrades, and tinkering.

52:02Luke Lafreniere:It covers the most useful Precision bits in one compact package, has the same premium LTT build quality with an anodized aluminum handle, magnetic bit retention, a stainless steel internal shaft, and an end cap that spins suspiciously well for something meant to be a screwdriver. it builds on the best-selling precision pro and it packs the most useful bits a removable crossbar for stubborn screws that's new and a magnetic organizer case into one compact everyday kit so the main difference here guys is that it um it hold on i'm actually trying to think uh how many how many bits it's bit changes so this one has 31 changes and the big one has 61 and then luke if you zoom in you can actually see there's a hole through the driver now that you can use that torque bar on um and so it doesn't have the internal bit storage in the driver anymore but some people actually prefer this style anyway so uh we've got that launching this week and then finally we're adding new colors to the blank t-shirt lineup we're getting a seasonal refresh with grape, jade gray, and coffee.

53:16Luke Lafreniere:Same lightweight fabric, refined fit, and all the overthinking that went into making a genuinely good blank tee. And also available in tall. Because finding basics that actually fit shouldn't feel like a side quest. Love that. Love that tagline. So guys, you can check out the new blank tees. I think that's it for Creator Warehouse stuff. Oh! Okay, this is interesting. We have a new mailing list. We're offering a single-use, 10 % off LTT Store coupon for people who sign up to be notified on all future drops. We have 85-plus more products still launching this year, and you can be among the first to know.

53:57Luke Lafreniere:The coupon is valid for the next seven days, and you can sign up at ltdstore.com slash pages slash welcome. Oh, I guess we should jump into a few comms. We believe that when you throw money at your screen, when you're watching your favorite creators or podcasts or whatever else it is, that you should get more than just the self-satisfaction of supporting a show that you like. You should get quality products in the mail. So we did away with Super Chats and Twitch Bits and all that other stuff, and we consolidated all the contributions to the show into checkout messages. All you got to do to send a checkout message is what Luke's doing.

54:33Luke Lafreniere:He's presumably adding something to his cart. There he goes. He's adding something to his cart, and he's going to show you guys the interface. Once you're in the checkout, you will see the box to type up a little checkout message. There it is. You can choose your color. You can make your name show up if you wanted to, I don't know, if you want your name to show up on screen. You can make it anonymous. and then when you guys are done typing up your message while we're live it'll go to producer Dan there he is who will respond to it or curate it for me and Luke to respond to and we'll show you guys how that works do you have a couple checkup messages for us Dan?

55:12Luke Lafreniere:I do, yes, I've got a few here hello LLD live leaks and damage control how many times have you blamed a company for a product not working when it's because of you and you will not admit it

55:27Luke Lafreniere:I've definitely blamed companies for things not working. And it turned out to be user error. I can't, I am open to a time that I have done that and not followed up.

55:46Linus Sebastian:Can you think of the most maybe interesting one when it was, it wasn't Jimmy Fallon's show. That one just actually didn't work. can you think of maybe the most interesting one where it was user error and you ended up figuring out later

56:03Luke Lafreniere:let me think I'd say that happens a lot more like live on WAN show where I'll be like oh I can't get my you know my iPhone to do this because I'm not fact checking everything for WAN show

56:15Linus Sebastian:yeah yeah yeah that's true I don't

56:17Luke Lafreniere:fact check everything in my life anyway

56:23Luke Lafreniere:oh yeah of course of course chat's gonna go there billet labs question mark i mean my my issue with billet labs was not that the temperatures weren't good though um the reason that i was dismissive of the product is for all the reasons that it failed anyway which is that it was expensive it didn't fit in any case that existed or would ever exist based on your technical thing you were saying

56:44Linus Sebastian:that you didn't because you guys did use it wrong right you used it on the wrong card or something

56:49Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, we used it on the, so they told us it might work on this GPU, but it's designed for this other one. And I put it on the GPU that it didn't work on, and the temperature sucked. But by that time, I had already had to modify my motherboard to get it to fit. I had already determined that it was not actually, like, good to put in any case anywhere ever. um i had already i'd be from my experience as a water cooling product product manager i had already determined that there was never going to be a follow-up to this thing because that i don't think people even like remember this video at this point they're just like mad right um so part of the pitch for it was like hey if your gpu changes but you keep your cpu you don't have to throw away the whole thing you could like you could like have like a gpu replacement yeah they never made that because that was never all i was trying to bring up was that i think we did

57:44Linus Sebastian:talk on wanshow about how you technically didn't use the the fully appropriate card so it wasn't

57:51Luke Lafreniere:it wasn't that you didn't address that oh yeah no we oh we totally addressed that it just wasn't the problem with the product the problem with the product was that it was a bad product and it didn't matter how how it performed because there's a you can only you can only get water cooling to ambient temperature right and water cooling cpus and gpus has been mostly an optimization problem for like many years at this point we saw this when we did water cooling through the ages so no amount of of narrowing of of reducing that sort of that narrow performance band was going to make this totally senseless product make any sense so and i've been completely validated on that they did one production run and then never made it again uh in spite of all of the attention that it got like millions upon millions upon millions of impressions for this product i mean i still don't think it was handled properly but no no it wasn't no question no question but it was doomed from the start sure but i just i don't think we need to go over it all again um how about another one what else we got anyone got anything

59:02Linus Sebastian:there was wasn't there some time you said something about a drive on like the playstation or something and uh oh yeah but we did a whole video no i'm not no no the core question because we got way off track here the core question was what do you think was the most interesting time that something went wrong because of user error and then you know we addressed it or whatever because it's going to happen many many times we've been making content for way too many years so what do you think is the most interesting one I don't need you to like defend something it's just what do you think was the most interesting one I mean I don't think the PlayStation 1 might not be a good example I was just trying to throw options out there when I'm thinking interesting I'm thinking like it was you know the reason why the user error happened might have been because they did something in a in a very interesting but non-standard way so it kind of like was intriguing when you figured out that it it was it was user error and it ended up making the product like cooler potentially

1:00:06Luke Lafreniere:not temperature wise like interest i mean it wasn't user error but i think my favorite product that I was ever completely wrong about was probably the Logitech G Cloud. I just completely underestimated what a great experience that product would be for the right user. And it's still not something that I find myself using. Like there's one in our warehouse, I don't use it. But when I did take it home and use it for a while, I was like, oh, I get it now. Because it was like so light and the battery life was so great. And I had been so, so dismissive of that.

1:00:52Luke Lafreniere:I think that's probably the coolest product that I've ever been totally, totally wrong about. Can you think of any? Are there any that you were just like, yeah, this thing is useless and stupid, but...

1:01:11Linus Sebastian:I mean, we've disagreed on things many a time over the years, but that makes sense. I can't really think of like, again, that isn't really at the core of the question. So I think we just move on to the next one.

1:01:30Luke Lafreniere:Sure. Yeah. And you know what? Realistically, there's probably something that I've gotten wrong that I just don't even know yet. That's why I kind of wanted to go to chat. because if there was something that you guys saw that we got wrong that I have not acknowledged yet, then I'm happy to. I'd like to.

1:01:55Linus Sebastian:Bring back Kickfarted. Kickstarter is not the same anymore. It still exists, but it's a totally different world. It's honestly, I'm assuming...

1:02:05Luke Lafreniere:It's more like a marketing vehicle now. Probably better now.

1:02:08Linus Sebastian:Yeah. It used to be like the freaking Wild West, and now there's there's a lot of companies that like are kickstarter companies kind of like they they almost exclusive like they they barely even have their own websites that basically just function through kickstarter um kickstarter is where they launch every product product that they make um like these are these are totally a thing um which is which is cool it just makes it less interesting in a kick farted stance for people that don't know what we're talking about we used have a series called kick farted i don't think there was a i think there's maybe like three of

1:02:42Luke Lafreniere:them did like two episodes or three or something like that yeah yeah but it was we would we would

1:02:47Linus Sebastian:back a kickstarter and the idea was that we'd actually hope that it did ship which was another flaw with the plan because sometimes they just wouldn't end up shipping at all um but we would back a kickstarter hope that it would ship and then you know our bet basically was that it was going to be junk.

1:03:06Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, if it's good, then it's a review of a cool product. And then if it's bad, then it's kick-farted. But it turns out the overlap between ideas that were good enough to eventually get manufactured, but so bad that they were completely dead on arrival when they shipped. And just worth trashing, basically. Yeah, it's like really, really, really small. Yeah.

1:03:31Linus Sebastian:Yeah. yeah it was fun to make those i had they were they were fun to shoot they were fun to write for uh it was actually kind of fun testing those types of products um but yeah it's just the like limited inventory of what types of things you can actually do that with just sort of kind of ran out i'm sure there's been examples since then but we haven't paid enough attention that you would have to to be able to do that over time and i don't think really anyone has

1:04:02Luke Lafreniere:like kickstarter was had this like super super powerful moment uh of of relevance and i i think it's kind of in the past now yeah i mean there are still things that just go freaking gangbusters

1:04:21Linus Sebastian:on Kickstarter. Oh, dude. I mean, I'm holding one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good example. Like Kickstarter is still a really big deal. It's just not, you know, it's not in the news like every freaking week like it was before. Like, yeah, the Slay the Spire downfall board game campaign. It's a board game that raised 7.6 million dollars wow but then i mean that's like that's an established ip too that's what i'm

1:04:58Luke Lafreniere:saying that's a lot of kickstarter now yeah just using it as using it as marketing slash as a as a cash flow exercise like we've got a product coming it's the one that i was alluding to that in order for us to manufacture enough of them um probably the best way to raise that money outside of like you know taking private equity or venture capital or whatever outside of taking outside capital would probably be to essentially you know crowdfund the the costs of the first production run um by announcing it early and like doing a kickstarter campaign i don't think that we would bother to use the kickstarter platform if it was us like i gotta imagine there's like a shopify plugin for that right but yeah just pre-orders basically i mean essentially but part of the fun of kickstarter is that it's at like different tiers so if you get in really really early it's at like a crazy good price or it comes with extra it comes with a hat that's like yeah i backed it first or like building these kind of these bundle we have the ability to do that yeah yeah i think we could do that remember the wave system that we had for the

1:06:14Linus Sebastian:backpack yeah i remember the wave system pretty sure you could just use that to to like change

1:06:20Luke Lafreniere:it as it goes master of none says aren't there strict rules regarding the use of crowdfunding capital i don't believe you're allowed to spend that money no no no but we would be spending the money to make the product so that would be fine so that that's what i mean what by like raising money to do the first production run it would be to make the products that people are buying you're just you're selling it at a discount so that you can so that you can scale it up faster so that you can get the money in ahead of time so that you can produce it all all in one go rather than doing a small production run and then selling that and then using that cash to buy twice as many and then selling that and then using that cash to buy twice as many which is like a many months

1:07:01Linus Sebastian:long process yeah like i'm going through the technology section on kickstarter right now and yeah bring it up let's see i don't i can see your screen share oh really cool there's like a kalimba what's a kalimba it's a musical you you push down the like middle prong it goes yeah okay so okay there's a 3d printing modular arm system neat i mean i'm assuming you're just i want to see the

1:07:33Luke Lafreniere:kalimba actually because it looks like an electronic kalimba it is sick yeah okay that raised half a million usd sure yeah but our like is linus tech tips going to make a video about an

1:07:44Linus Sebastian:electronic kalimba probably not heck no so that's not it's not really like topic relevant for for us if it makes Dan happy it's relevant for us Luke

1:07:54Luke Lafreniere:come on is that a granular delay what is all this cool audio

1:07:58Linus Sebastian:crap on it seems like there's a decent amount of interesting audio stuff floor washing robot

1:08:10I don't know man

1:08:12Linus Sebastian:RC tank like a lot of this isn't stuff that I would see and be like oh yeah kick farted cool maybe some AI glasses this all looks like relatively competent but then there's so many AI glasses coming out that I feel like we'd be better off just making videos about AI glasses in general yeah like it doesn't really scream that it needs a kick farted there's a keyboard

1:08:36Luke Lafreniere:look at this lens that is comical sticking off of that phone okay so it's just like I don't know man

1:08:45Linus Sebastian:I don't see kick farted making sense here

1:08:47Luke Lafreniere:McBain says LMG doesn't need Kickstarter, just use pre-orders. So pre-orders have always been kind of an uncomfortable thing for me. Isn't it kind of the same deal? Oh, it's totally the same deal, but we've always shied away from it, if you recall. Even the screwdriver in the backpack where we made major bets, we basically were like, you should never pre-order. I don't know for sure that you'll like it. You should wait for third-party evaluations. At this point, I am starting to recognize that at the scale that we're operating at and at the experience that our team has, I'm a lot more confident taking people's money ahead of time for something that is on track, that is hitting all of its milestones.

1:09:39Luke Lafreniere:and the project which is no is not the battery bank it's actually a different one the project is coming along really really well to the point where

1:09:51Luke Lafreniere:if i know that this thing is going to absolutely be super super exciting for people and they're going to absolutely freaking love it and if there's some something else that we could do or even nothing else that we could do. I was thinking like we could do like a satisfaction guaranteed policy or something like that. But I don't think for sanitary reasons, this would be a good product for us to take a bunch of returns for anyway. So that could get complicated. I don't know. I'll have to think about it some more.

1:10:23Linus Sebastian:Interesting question from McBain. Why not enable pre-orders for the cables? You've already shipped a ton of them.

1:10:30Luke Lafreniere:Okay, all right. Yeah, and you know what? I could do that. I could take, realistically, I could probably have like millions of dollars sitting in the LMG coffers right now who want to wait for a cable. But riddle me this, right? Right now, McBain, you're probably a little irritated that you'd like to buy this cable and you can't get it. But what if it takes six months? What if I had your money? Then how irritated are you? and that's always that's always been the challenge for me like we're our manufacturer literally in the process of building more capacity just for us because the demand for this thing is is completely beyond the expectations that we had and that they had um and so i don't know i like we're in uncharted territory here i don't know how long it's going to take us to, to be able to meet the demand that is there for these, these freaking cables.

1:11:36Luke Lafreniere:And so I, um, I don't know how to, I don't know, man. Yeah. So, so it comes back to me saying the same, taking the same principle stance I had before, which is I really don't want to have your money and be in a position where, you know, there could be a mismatch between what I'm promising and what you're expecting, both in terms of timeline and in terms of product quality, right so i uh yeah and and someone had a good suggestion uh i missed whose i missed the username for it but it was um uh you know you could just take like a little bit of pre-order what about a little bit of pre-order so we actually did that uh remember when there was like a second wave that like went up for sale that was someone else in the company making a decision that we were going to take pre-orders on the cables we were going to make out of the extra cable stock that we had that was like sitting staged ready to go people still lost their minds waiting for those and it causes a whole bunch of tickets to customer service who otherwise just wouldn't have to deal with that and and what i said when i was kind of lecturing not one person but like the team that made that decision on like why I had decided we weren't going to do that was guys why did we make this decision did it lead to a better experience for our customer yes or no

1:13:05Linus Sebastian:is it just a communications problem yeah well that's part of it but communication is hard you

1:13:11Luke Lafreniere:can put as much communication on a web page as you want people won't read it doesn't matter So did this make the experience better for our customer? Yes or no? No or neutral, basically was the response. Like, okay, did this make us more money, right? Like that motivates businesses, right? Businesses make decisions to make more money. And the answer again is no, because we were going to sell those cables the second that they reached our dock, regardless of whether we took people's money ahead of time or whether we take people's money when they arrive. So again, the answer is no. so all we're doing is we're putting a little bit of cash in our bank account from our customers today and we're holding it so why don't we let them keep it um is it a communications thing

1:13:57Linus Sebastian:because the backpacks i i don't i don't remember if people were upset or not but it as the waves went on yeah we would just tell people the estimated shipping time uh from from my interpretation of the story that you just told is we didn't tell people that there would be a

1:14:13Luke Lafreniere:different shipping time um we did but maybe we could have done it like even more in your face um but even then you know you still get with the wave system we still had people who were upset about that like and who just felt it was really ridiculous i get that i get that um and so i've I've always had, you know, sitting next to, shout out Corbin from NCIX, all right? I worked in customer service sometimes in the early days, not because it was necessarily in my job description, but because when we had like holiday rushes and big sale events or big launches and stuff like that, customer service would get overwhelmed and they would just kind of call on random people who knew our system well enough and were technical enough and I happened to be one of them.

1:15:00Luke Lafreniere:So, you know, sometimes I would work in customer service and I would sit there. I'd sit in the bullpen and, you know, I'd hear the exasperated voice of Mr. Corbin explaining to someone for the 13th time on this call that, hey, when you ordered this, it said ships in 7, 8 to 11 days or, you know, whatever. It says special order ships in 8 to 11 days. we shipped it on the 10th day shipping's not magic it's still going to be a little while that doesn't mean delivered in that number of days and the site was so clear it said ships in or whatever the word was but people they don't read and now that's customer services problem and it causes stress and frustration and what if we just avoided all of that

1:15:52Linus Sebastian:I don't want to out the company but I bought a thing i was gonna say recently it's not even recently anymore uh a while ago and i was emailing them monthly asking for updates because they weren't giving me any updates and their their website didn't say anything about delays or anything i think it might have said i i ended up looking at the website and i couldn't find it but i think at the time that i ordered it it might have said that it might take a month uh and we we passed the three month point of again they never sent any form of update i kept reaching out to them um and they they emailed back i think it was like yesterday or something and we're like yeah oh really oh this is like right now yeah they're like yeah we're shipping we're shipping it monday i'm like cool thanks it's been it's by the time it gets here it will have been like three and a half months for one thing that didn't warn me of that at all it's very annoying at this point it's it's i think it's the longest i've waited for something that I've ordered that didn't have like a very specific, you know, this product is not ready yet.

1:16:56Linus Sebastian:It will release at whatever time. Because there are definitely things that, I'm trying to think, you know, like a shirt that was made for some event. It's a Trump phone, right? Oh my goodness. No, it's not a Trump phone. It's fitness equipment. I just don't want to call it the brand because like this equipment whatever uh what are we supposed to be doing

1:17:21Luke Lafreniere:right now oh my gosh was that one calm okay hit me with another dan sure um i am looking this year to upgrade my tv from a 77 inch oled to something in the 98 to 100 inch range currently looking at the tcl x11l or wait for what sony true rgb brings uh will i regret going away from oled okay so you're clearly a mad baller because you're upgrading a 77 inch oled so honestly the

1:17:55Linus Sebastian:biggest thing that that's piqued my interest on that is you have the throw distance for this to

1:18:00Luke Lafreniere:make any sense yeah first up congratulations um tv you have you have achieved much and uh and my and hats off to you um second of all right now is kind of we're i hate to be that guy right because i think that for for a long time i have beat the drum of if you wait if you're always waiting for the next thing, then you will never just get to enjoy anything because you'll always be waiting for the one that's right around the corner that's better, right? However, the time is now May, which is exactly when the new models are starting to trickle into stores that were like first unveiled at CES this year.

1:18:49Luke Lafreniere:And as we head into back to school and especially Black Friday, there will be deals. Now, as someone who's upgrading a 77-inch OLED, you sound like you might be the sort of person who doesn't care about getting a deal. If that's the case, I haven't actually tried the X11L series yet. What I have done is I have used TCL's last generation kind of similar class of TV in the form of that 115-inch that is still in my theater room in spite of everything else that exists. And TCL, at their very high end, makes a very fine TV. I haven't seen the X11L yet. I'm hoping to soon. The other thing that I'll say, and this is probably going to complicate your decision more than help it, is that I have seen Sony's RGB-backlit LCDs, and they are absolute fire.

1:19:50Luke Lafreniere:they are so cool um it was in a pretty controlled environment and i didn't actually get a chance to look side by side with an oled oh actually uh oh yeah no i didn't get a chance to look side by side with an oled but if i was a betting man and i didn't have a budget which you might not uh i would say that true rgb is going to be pretty killer and take this all for what it is right like sony sponsored our trip to go check it out so full disclosure everything um and you know we saw it within the confines of of their controlled environment so take that all for what it is uh but it looks really good it looks really really good okay moving on to some more topics all right luke do you want to pick one or two sure let's see what we got here oh yeah let's go over this charade um yeah oh i knew it i knew it i was

1:20:57Linus Sebastian:hoping you were gonna pick that nice yeah gamestop offers 56 billion in value for ebay but struggles to explain how it'll gather up all that value uh on may 4th gamestop because they try to use the force to make this happen i don't know whatever uh gamestop made an entirely unsolicited$56 billion offer to buy eBay at$125 a share. The offer letter stipulated that the amount would be paid half in cash, half in GameStop stock. GameStop's operational strategic plan was that its roughly 1 ,600 US retail stores would become eBay drop-off intake fulfillment and live commerce hubs, which actually sounds kind of smart, with CEO Ryan Cohen promising$2 billion a year in cost cuts, including$1.2 billion from eBay's marketing budget alone.

1:21:49Linus Sebastian:The bid seemed weird because the market valuation of GameStop is around$11 billion, while eBay is roughly worth$48 billion.

1:22:00Luke Lafreniere:Is this like me offering to... I've got my float plane shirt on here okay is this like me offering to buy youtube you know like this isn't even a scale isn't even close but you get what i mean right i think they're a lot closer but they're the smaller company and they're not even offering a merger of peers they're like we're gonna acquire what are you even talking about anyway sorry maybe if it was flow plane trying to buy youtube's toe

1:22:35Linus Sebastian:So, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of funny stuff with this. I think it's literally just a stunt, but we'll get into that.

1:22:43Luke Lafreniere:Why do you feel so compelled to spoil the punchlines for things, Luke? You can't help it.

1:22:47Linus Sebastian:There's so many good reasons why, and people have got to absorb it as we go through. About$9 billion of the, which has me interested in if GameStop's valuation includes their cash. But anyways, about$9 billion of the cash for the offer would come from GameStop's war chest, with the rest being raised through a debt instrument from TD Securities, a subsidiary of TD Bank, provided a highly confident letter indicating a potential commitment to provide approximately$20 billion of the cash. half of the offer in debt financing what? Okay, I'm a little bit lost here, but anyways yeah, it feels like Sam Altman being like, yeah, I'll buy all the RAM it's like that level of like, I don't think they actually technically have to do it but they've said that they probably will Cohen went on CNBC's Squawk Box where the hosts flagged that the value of all of GameStop stock is just over 11 billion dollars and half of the stock um half of the stock half of the acquisition offer so the acquisition offer is half stock yeah basically there isn't enough equity or enough cash to make this make sense and half stock half cash also doesn't really make any sense and if we go check out uh game stop stock and we look at the last five days i mean it even went down so it's worth less today than it was uh it's up yeah it's down four percent because because people saw this and were like yikes uh which is kind of funny um yeah the the the the ceo apparently just kept on saying when asked like how does this make any sense like where are you getting all that value from he just kept saying uh half cash half stock uh and then saying it's on the website go check it out there it gets explained on the website yeah amazing

1:24:48Luke Lafreniere:I miss this part he eventually told the host I don't understand your question it's like dude

1:24:55Linus Sebastian:okay sorry carry on he was framing the I don't understand your question as if there was enough stock and cash available therefore the question didn't make any sense but clearly there isn't fantastic Morgan Stanley analysts then piled on with a research note calling GameStop and eBay fundamentally different businesses with no real overlap and noted that if the deal somehow closed, it would be the largest leveraged buyout in history. Then on May 6th, Cohen created a new eBay. This is my favorite part. He created a... Cohen, the CEO of GameStop, created a new eBay account under the username Ryan5050, you know, 50 cash, 50 stock.

1:25:39Linus Sebastian:Presumably a nod... Oh, yep, there it is. presumably a nod to the half cash, half stock split. And they started listing personal items in his words to help fund the eBay acquisition, including if I remember correctly, some socks and, and other things. Frank said, said, said, said, said, I don't know. I don't know. Frank C. Of the Video Game History Foundation, then flagged on Blue Sky that several of Cohen's listings appeared to come from the Game Informer vault, which housed decades of rare gaming memorabilia that GameStop kept after shutting the Game Informer magazine down. Okay. Then late that same night, eBay suspended Cohen's account citing concerns that his activity was putting the eBay community at risk.

1:26:30Linus Sebastian:As far as my understanding goes, they have reinstated his account. I don't think that's in here. Analysts have pointed out that the whole thing likely comes down to Ryan Cohen trying to trigger a performance gate in his compensation package, which would unlock$35 billion in potential stock options if he increases the company's market value to$100 billion and achieves$10 billion in cumulative EBITDA.

1:26:58Luke Lafreniere:You know, what's funny is that is so much better analysis, I guess, of what he's doing. I thought this was as simple as GameStop hasn't been in headlines enough lately. I need GameStop in the headlines so that people pump it as a meme stock again. I was thinking 3D chess. That's like 4D chess. So if I need to reach a revenue target, I just go out and I borrow enough money to buy a company that already has that much revenue. It's brilliant.

1:27:39Linus Sebastian:I don't think... I think if anything, leaking that that was the goal might have been part of the 3D chess. Because I don't think this was ever going to happen.

1:27:49Luke Lafreniere:Well, no, it was never going to happen. but like maybe he's delusional. I mean, we have no idea how much ketamine the average CEO is on, right? So like maybe in his mind, this is serious.

1:28:06Linus Sebastian:You should just cold call Taryn and ask him. Oh, hey Linus, you need a plug or what? We're concerned that you're not taking enough ketamine. All right, I'll ask him. we're looking at we're looking at lmg's trajectory and we're thinking he might need to take more ketamine i forgot where i worked and that he would actually do that oh i i knew he was gonna do it

1:28:31Luke Lafreniere:what have i done uh hey you're live on the wan show hold on i'm just trying to figure out where the speaker hole on my phone is here uh can you guys hear him okay yes yeah he's coming through Okay, you guys got him. So we're just having a conversation right now about sort of like CEOs and their typical ketamine consumption. And we were just wondering, like, how much ketamine do you consume? I've had no ketamine so far. I have asked doctors for ketamine and they said no. Really? Did they explain why they said no? I mean, if this is getting too personal, then feel free to nope out. But, like, I...

1:29:17Linus Sebastian:Is this for recreational use or is there a medical condition?

1:29:20Luke Lafreniere:I'm like, recreational? And then that's when they hang on. Okay. All right. Understood. That's actually really... Oh, you know what? Chad's got a question for you. Denrix asks, did you tell them that you've been diagnosed with CEO? Oh, no, I haven't. Is that a real condition? Well, that's what we think because of how people are CEOs and are being treated with ketamine we assume that that was a causation relationship rather than just a correlation Can I ask questions as well? Absolutely, absolutely This is an open, this is a safe space Oh, when I'm at work, does it seem like I'm under the influence?

1:30:07Luke Lafreniere:Thank you everyone Taren Tong, CEO of Linus Media Group Bye Taren, I'll see you next week Wow, what a great conversation That was tremendous Should we go ahead and maybe Do whatever it is that Dan wants us to do?

1:30:24Linus Sebastian:Dan is currently flagging Two more topics Dan is currently flagging two more topics Yeah, let's do some more topics We can do this other weird one That's good news, Ryan Show Toyota built a$10 billion private utopia tech city. Last week, Ars Technica got an inside tour of Toyota's Woven City, the$10 billion private city of the future. Sounds very Disney. The company has been in Japan, has built in Japan. Yeah, there we go. That makes a lot more sense. And the picture they painted was a mix, was mixed at best. Toyota chairman Akio Toyota first announced Woven City at CES 2020 as part of a pivot from car maker to mobility company.

1:31:08Linus Sebastian:And the first 100 residents hand-picked alpha testers that Toyota calls Weavers moved in six months ago. Despite the city branding, only about 10 % of the planned 175-acre site is actually built so far, although these things take time. Residents act as alpha and beta testers for a rotating slate of Toyota tech. Interesting. Toyota's stated rationale for the heavy surveillance is safety. Yeah, this is where things get a little dystopian. With the Woven City CTO telling ours that onboard car sensors can't reliably spot a kid darting out from behind a truck. So street level cameras everywhere is part of how Toyota plans to hit its zero accidents goal.

1:31:58Linus Sebastian:In practice, the camera density is striking, with ours counting eight at a single intersection and a half dozen even in small coffee shops, all feeding into Toyota's AI vision engine, which can track people across cameras based on their clothing. Toyota built a consent system called Data Fabric that lets residents opt in or out per service. And 98 % of Weavers, I'm paraphrasing because they were handpicked, have agreed to camera-equipped robots in their apartments. I guess we all have robot vacuums. Not all of us, but a lot of people do. Mine's been broken for a year, but it is what it is. The company's longer term plan is to refine the AI vision engine inside Woven City and then sell it to actual municipalities.

1:32:49Linus Sebastian:Toyota also confirmed that chairman Accio Toyota has been uploaded to the city's cloud as Accio Toyota AI. A chatbot trained on a decade of his speeches and writings. Really?

1:33:10Luke Lafreniere:Wow. I think this has got to be. Wow. We have no idea what to spend our copious amounts of money on. Wow. So let's do this. And this is coming from someone who just attended an event that was held in an abandoned power plant because a billionaire saw that it was like kind of an eyesore for his neighbors and decided to buy it to turn it into a park.

1:33:53Wow.

1:33:54Luke Lafreniere:Very nice. yeah this is like this is actually peak my my my steak is too juicy my my family is too perfect my money my money bushels are overflowing i simply have no idea what to do with it this is like you know i don't think that makes sense what was the disney thing what was the disney thing The like city, Disney city thing The town of tomorrow

1:34:26Linus Sebastian:It's in Florida right? Yeah yeah yeah

1:34:28Luke Lafreniere:This feels like modern that Epcot, that's the one Yeah Yeah

1:34:37Linus Sebastian:Did Epcot have like insane surveillance? I don't know if I don't know if our corporate overlords

1:34:44Luke Lafreniere:Had imagined that yet

1:34:45Linus Sebastian:Because this to me feels like I know what you're saying, we don't know what to spend our money on I don't think that's true at all to be honest I don't get that read from this in the slightest. Really? No, not even a little bit. I get flock from this. I get Toyota attempting to make technology to sell the governments, which is literally what they're saying. They're planning on selling this to municipalities. They want to be flock. They want to have AI-enabled cameras all over the place, tracking everyone, measuring everything, and then selling it to governments. And probably also companies for advertisement and everything else.

1:35:20Linus Sebastian:I don't get the same read as you on this

1:35:24Luke Lafreniere:So basically It sounds like Neither of us is what they're saying it's for They're saying it's for Connected cities No they're saying it's for what I said They didn't say anything about crime They said car accidents

1:35:41Linus Sebastian:Yeah but they said they're going to sell it to municipalities

1:35:44Luke Lafreniere:No I got that part But Flock is is for surveillance and suspect tracking. Yeah, but if you sell it to municipalities,

1:35:55Linus Sebastian:what are you going to say to be used for?

1:35:56Luke Lafreniere:No, no, I know, I know. But the part is that I said they didn't say that though. So they haven't said the quiet part out loud. What they're saying is we're a mobility company and this is about mobility and making it so that every car has a brain on board it that is being fed data from these AI-enabled cameras so that it would never like accidentally hit a kid who's like darting out from between two cars or, you know, chasing a ball or whatever. So your theory then is that whether Toyota intends it or not, this will be sold as just a mass surveillance tool.

1:36:35Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I mean, because the whole car's angle doesn't make sense when there's cameras inside of coffee shops and inside of your home.

1:36:41Luke Lafreniere:So I read the ARS article and they go into a little bit more depth about how, you know, Toyota's culture and Japanese culture and and like privacy are sort of really central to this and what their plan is for anonymizing things like that's that's part of why the individual tracking is based on the clothing that you're wearing. it does not use facial identification for instance however i think that anyone as technical as anybody at toyota working on this project or anyone from ars technica or anyone in our audience is going to know that there's it's like just because you're not using facial tracking doesn't mean that you can't pin this down to an individual especially if you've got a large enough set of data monitoring like a fixed number of local residents right like whether we're talking about the outfits that they normally wear or whether we're talking about gait analysis looking at how they walk

1:37:42Linus Sebastian:right like it's um there's a lot of ways like an actually pretty wild amount of ways to identify

1:37:48Luke Lafreniere:people tell me this okay this is a hypothetical to be very very clear tell me this if toyota could solve privacy for this. If their pitch that this is a mobility solution that does not store in any accessible way, this is a huge if, I know, does not store in any accessible way personally identifiable information, and it is purely a machine vision system that sends feedback to cars and bikes and these smart-equipped vehicles to prevent accidents. Is this something that you could see having any kind of future?

1:38:32Linus Sebastian:I'm going to be... I need you to understand. I know... I'm going to be super annoying for a second. One thing is... You said they... Even if they don't store the data and stuff, the problem is there's other types of attacks. So, like, it will be a privacy nightmare because everything... If they could solve it.

1:38:52Luke Lafreniere:If, if.

1:38:53Linus Sebastian:I know.

1:38:53Luke Lafreniere:This is an if. but the problem is that if is impossible I know but try to play along

1:39:01Linus Sebastian:if it is the world's perfect given by some deity not of the earth data system that is completely unhackable that is completely literally impossible I don't know if I really care well for me if it is completely uncorruptible and is only ever used for good and is completely unhackable, then it's like, okay.

1:39:31Luke Lafreniere:So I'm actually going to argue against my point now. And I'm going to say it has no future because then nobody would want it. It would be too expensive to implement purely to save a handful of lives. I mean, think about how many intersections you drive through in a typical city that obviously need better signage, but because that would cost a few hundred dollars, it's not going to get implemented. So this as like Toyota imagining this mobility future where everything, every object in a city is tracked, I think even if they could solve it. But this is why I wanted to have the conversation, right?

1:40:07Luke Lafreniere:Because, you know, it has to kind of boil down to like, if their pitch is right, is there a future? And I still think the answer is no.

1:40:15Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Yeah, because... I'd love to be wrong. And, you know, people can say, what they want but ultimately when it comes down to municipal budgets um what are people going to vote for i mean looking at like langley right now for example we're we're doing some weird stuff

1:40:37Luke Lafreniere:hey luke okay hold on a second though hold on yeah hold on let's um let's back up a little bit here because i actually might be about to argue against myself again that's fun what if we what if we didn't do this with cameras like what if we could do this with a point cloud device like what if we could do this with lidar you'd still be able to oh man no because you'd still be able to see a blob coming out of this square blob at this time every day and going to the other square blob at that time every day yeah never mind i talked myself out of it again because like to me like the you know the cameras and the data analysis and no matter how much compute and no matter how cheap cameras are going to get they're always good they're always going You also just can't get around it.

1:41:21Linus Sebastian:Like if surveillance is being done, it can be hacked. And it, you know, on a technical level, it can be hacked. On a social level, it will almost certainly be corrupted. There's like, there's every example of, you know, police officers using tracking equipment to track their girlfriends to see if they're cheating or yeah, following ex-girlfriends and ex-wives and whatnot. There's every example of all these different things where if it's a social system, it can and almost certainly will be corrupted. And if it's a technical system, it can be hacked. And those things just like seem to effectively be laws of the universe.

1:41:59Linus Sebastian:So it's tough when you have a system like this because you just know both of those things are true.

1:42:03Luke Lafreniere:I'm going to throw another wrench into the gears. Yet another wrench. Because I just, I think this is just a really interesting conversation. It's not interesting enough for me to have spent my$10 billion to, you know, prove that it's not going to work or whatever. But I'm glad Toyota did it because I'm really interested to talk about it. Yeah, sure. I have a$10 billion offer in to buy this city. All I need is a$10 billion loan. But TD seems like their game for this sort of thing. They totally told me they'd do it. So yeah, let me throw this out and go, okay. But hear me out. As our methods for tracking these things get more and more ubiquitous and more and more precise and more and more absolutely everybody has them on their person at any given moment.

1:43:05Luke Lafreniere:How different would the point cloud system be? I mean, you can make a strong you can make a strong argument that the camera system is is different. but like it how different would it be hit me up i mean that's already a problem right i think we

1:43:23Linus Sebastian:talked on a fairly recent wanshow about a crime scene where google got was the right term for it subpoenaed or something uh for information on what devices were in the area at the time in this like big window um so they were poking around in the phones of people and we know from there was no reason to suspect them we know from the snowden era i don't know if he's still doing public stuff uh but we know from when he was like a big deal in the news um that when when he was roaming around you know he's throwing phones in in uh freezers and stuff like that to try to faraday cage them um because they were already a problem so it's like it's it yeah i mean that's definitely part of it but it's i don't know adding more fuel to the fire because the phones aren't perfect you could decide to leave it at home um i remember when we talked about that story of the yeah someone said geofencing warrant when we talked about the story of the geofencing warrant it was kind of like astonishing to me that you would bring your cell phone to a crime scene because it's like yeah i mean you can obviously be tracked what are you doing um well that's the thing with criminals luke yeah yeah um so yeah it's tough it's tough it's also ultimately our opinion on it isn't really going to matter i think uh like every single person i've ever heard of who has talked about flock in any way has been like wow this is obviously bad and evil and a terrible system and they're all over the place.

1:44:58So, I don't know.

1:45:00Luke Lafreniere:All right. Well, it's good news, WAN Show, so we're not going to linger on this any further. Why don't we instead talk about our sponsors for today's show? The show is brought to you today by Telo. Do you want a wireless service that doesn't drive you crazy? Tell me about it. That is literally in the script. I had to say that. tello mobile offers flexible and affordable phone plans with prices up to 25 per month without any compromise to call quality because tello is on america's fastest 5g network they offer flexibility in the way that you build your plan so you can save a little money if you and your family know you need minutes or data if you already have a phone and a number tello makes it simple to port them over and every plan comes with great freebies like hot spotting wi-fi and international calling international roaming and more international roaming was such a like game changer for me dude i love international roaming yeah plus one of the best things about tello is they still have real people that you can talk to if you ever need support specifically with your phone plan guys you cannot call them to help figure out what to get your mom from other say that's not what they do you can check out tello's unlimited plans at the link in the video description the show is also brought to you by Zoho.

1:46:19Luke Lafreniere:Zoho's OpManager Nexus is a full-stack observability platform that you and your IT team see everything that's happening to your IT system in one place. It is built to work with the tools that you and your team already use and fits right into the ManageEngine ecosystem. It's backed with strong data encryption adhering to industry and regional compliance rules so your data stays protected. And if your team prefers to operate with the flexibility of the cloud or if they need the full control of an on-premise setup, the OpManager Nexus works with both. Super cool. It's easy to deploy and has customizable dashboards, so each member of your team gets the reports and information that is most applicable to them.

1:46:58Luke Lafreniere:And Zoho has multiple data centers around the world with everything backed up regionally to help with reliability. That's an especially relevant thing for them to call out right now with some data centers experiencing some bomb-related maintenance. Anyway, OpManagerNexus, stop guessing and start knowing with full-stack visibility. We'll have it linked in the video description. All right. Some floatplane announcements? Do we have any of those? We probably do. I assume we do. All right, we've got some floatplane announcements. We received an anonymous report that one of the two YIsWen late competitors thinks that the other is not trying so hard.

1:47:41Luke Lafreniere:I wonder who it could be. I try. I try hard. What do you mean? What do you mean you don't think I'm trying hard? Nope. So to spice it up.

1:47:50Linus Sebastian:I think you try hard to push Sammy to cheat for you.

1:47:53Luke Lafreniere:No, I actually don't. So to spice it up, Luke promised that if this week's Why Is When Late video got 2 ,000 likes, he will ride a unicycle to when to answer the question once and for all, what is easier? Linus getting to set on time or Luke learning to ride a unicycle to get to the WAN show? Which I cannot do. Yeah, I was going to say. I don't know if you will ever be able to do that. No, probably not. No offense, but you're not like that agile and you're very top heavy.

1:48:34Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

1:48:36Luke Lafreniere:I don't mean this in like an offensive way. I just mean it in like an objective observation way. You put a lot of points in strength and not that many in dexterity. Like you got some in there. I think I meant Ford Explorer of the person.

1:48:56Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I'm not sure.

1:49:00Luke Lafreniere:Explorer, please. Excursion is more like it. Okay. in other news

1:49:06Linus Sebastian:I don't think that's quite accurate to be completely honest no an excursion's not

1:49:10Luke Lafreniere:that's a powerful vehicle sir

1:49:12Linus Sebastian:that's not tip over when you turn around a corner

1:49:18Luke Lafreniere:okay you know what that's fair map in floatplane chat says unicycle not that hard to learn and charcoal says he has to ride a unicycle not ride it well

1:49:31Linus Sebastian:I haven't even been on a bike In many years. Apparently, I read this online, so take it with a grain of salt.

1:49:40Luke Lafreniere:You don't forget. Like a unicycle? But he never learned a unicycle. No, he said he hasn't ridden a bicycle in a long time. Oh, well, yeah. Thank you, Dan. That's very helpful. You're welcome. I appreciate your compliment. Yeah, okay. So this will be interesting. We also have... How many likes is the video at now? oh my goodness it's at 1400 likes with zero dislikes yeah for it's it got it it got like 16 likes in the time it took me to refresh this page yeah you can be the first one to dislike it uh no i'm gonna like it right now okay now it has 1461 hold on i'm gonna refresh it again

1:50:28Luke Lafreniere:you didn't no how dare you i downloaded it how dare you i downloaded it i was the first person

1:50:33Linus Sebastian:to downvote it. Let's go. Unbelievable.

1:50:36Luke Lafreniere:Let's go. Alright, Luca, you'll have to do screen cap for this. In other news, we also have badges now. Designed by the one and only Ashley from the Creator Warehouse team, Floatplane now supports badges so you can flex your vanity cosmetics. Right now, we only have length of active subscription, but we're looking to add more cool things, like if you were subscribed during big events like Scrapyard Wars, or what tier of sub and even badges to recognize super active members of the community. We should make it a crystal. It should just be, Dan, can you send that over to Ashley? It should just be like a gem because I can't think of a more ludicrously, oh my God, get a life active member of our community than crystal fear 88.

1:51:26Luke Lafreniere:Don't take this the wrong way, Crystal. Just wow. Wow.

1:51:34Luke Lafreniere:Anywho, some badges can be added retroactively, so be sure to join. If you have some suggestions, you can go ahead and leave them in the comments. Someone said Langley House, cats, and the Vessel logo for OG. So, yeah, we're definitely working on some stuff.

1:51:53Luke Lafreniere:Crystal, I don't mean this. I don't mean this in any way other than you spend a lot of your life on LMG. it's great I'll see you at the next I'll see you at the next whale we also have a video of the damage that Sammy did to that monitor that he brought on to WAN show last week I don't know if Luke is launching that or if it's already launched and we promise to improve float plane and we're looking to provide more benefits for subscribers at lmg.gg slash float plane so now's a great time to join can't wait to see you there alright PK7 says get a life respectfully but we do enjoy having you here for real yeah yeah dude it's great it's great no I mean we do we do we enjoy Crystal's company we legitimately do

1:52:44Linus Sebastian:oh my goodness what? I'm ignoring you entirely I found the part of the video where the monitor gets impaled

1:52:55Luke Lafreniere:Ashley is very confused what exactly am i messaging just just the the one for for engagement for like hyper engagement it should be like a gem it should be it should be a crystal do we have more than one ashley uh yeah ashley w we we actually have yeah we definitely ashley way to go way to go dan that moment when you really do need a company directory because it has gotten to the point where you can't know everybody. We just didn't check. Yeah, don't you actually, didn't you like work on it?

1:53:33Linus Sebastian:Yeah, sort of. Dan, what the heck? I don't update it. That's HR. It doesn't maintain it.

1:53:40Luke Lafreniere:Okay. All right, that's good. Love it. Oh, hey. Polaris asks, are you guys participating in the Boink pentathlon? I haven't put anything into it yet other than some prizing. So Chewy messaged me earlier this week, and he was all like, hey, you mentioned on Wancho that you want to do prizing for Boink Pentathlon? And I was like, yeah, sure. Can we do that? And he was like, okay. Are you good with$1 ,000 worth of LTT Store gift cards? And I was like, sure. So we're doing 10$100 LTT Store gift cards as part of the prizing for the Boink Pentathlon over on the linustechchips.com forum. If you're not familiar with it, Boink is a distributed computing project that helps contribute to science.

1:54:25Luke Lafreniere:So you can use idle cycles from your computer to help make the world a better place. It's pretty cool. And you should go check it out. Maybe Dan could throw a link in the video description.

1:54:38Linus Sebastian:Yes. Sorry, I was just sending a group message to all the Ashleys that I work with.

1:54:42Luke Lafreniere:All right, cool. Nice.

1:54:44Linus Sebastian:By the way, dbrand sent out a thing during the show, I think probably when we announced it. I don't know if they were watching or not, but I just noticed this in my email. The subject is now available on a worse website, and then they have like a stock going down emoji. If you open it, it says now available on lttstore.com.

1:55:09Luke Lafreniere:You know, without spoiling anything, I may get my opportunity to fire back, but I'm not going to spoil anything these guys

1:55:24Linus Sebastian:I love DRAND they're out of control

1:55:29Luke Lafreniere:completely out of control yeah what's next alright let's have a look here we kind of already talked about the Steam controller being sold out after 30 minutes you can join a queuing system to make sure that you get one from them at MSRP rather than at scalper prices. Scalpers are lame. Don't buy it from scalpers. The last bit is Valve released the CAD files for the external shell of the Steam Controller and the Steam Controller Puck under a Creative Commons license, which is super cool if you, for whatever reason, wanted to make accessories, like a little cradle for it to sit in or anything cool like that, and you always love to see it.

1:56:09Luke Lafreniere:Okay, this is cool. tcl um unveiled a 0.01 hertz laptop display earlier this week this is so cool it's designed to extend battery life by drastically reducing how often the screen redraws static content it was showcased at sid display week in los angeles in a 14 inch 1920 by 1200 laptop so this panel can refresh as slowly as one frame every 100 seconds. Far below the 1Hz screens that have previously been developed by companies like Intel and LG. The coolest part, though, and this is where it gets real, is that the display is divided into 12 zones that can independently shift between 120Hz and 0.01Hz, allowing you to have high refresh rate in areas like an active video window, while the rest of the screen remains nearly static, not being updated.

1:57:19Luke Lafreniere:TCL estimates that the technology, or TCL CSOT specifically, estimates that the technology can add over an hour of video playback time, and the LCD panel uses the company's proprietary Oxide TFT backplane. our discussion question is is 12 zone refresh switching switching enough for a seamless ui or will the lack of granularity cause noticeable artifacts i mean i i think the answer to that is probably just going to come down to driver and operating system management so that you just if you have a window like an active video window or something like that that slightly overlaps one of the control zones it'll just activate everything that's around it um so just yeah as long as you're not using the entire screen, there'll be some savings and I'm here for it.

1:58:08Luke Lafreniere:More battery life in devices is like, honestly been like kind of life-changing over the last couple of generations of laptops for me, whether I've been using a MacBook Neo or whether I've been using like a Strix Halo or a man like Panther Lake is freaking incredible for battery life. I just, now that I dock at work, I just not that kind, never, think about the battery life of my laptop pretty much because it'll work for like an entire weekend without me having to think about it.

1:58:36Linus Sebastian:Because you're so distracted talking? Yeah, buddy. You don't need your laptop battery life anymore? That's right. You've moved on to bigger and better things?

1:58:46Luke Lafreniere:Especially better. Better is key. Safer even. Safe harbor. I felt wrong. It's sticky. Jeebus. Hey, why don't we talk about, why don't we talk about something that I actually missed last week? This was announced last week, I believe, but on May 1st, ask.com was officially shut down. I know, I know this is supposed to be good news when, and this is truly tragic, but formerly Ask Jeeves, the butler is no more and I don't know this actually kind of hit me in a more than I expected it to like I don't know Luke do you remember the early days of using search engines like back when Alta Vista was king and also Ask Jeeves and Dogpile so Ask Jeeves claim to fame was that it was I believe the first natural language search engine because you know how you can kind of switch you can put on your like I am an advanced search wizard hat and you can use like boolean operators and you can um uh and you can sort of go into like power user mode using a search engine rather than just asking it a natural language question that was like how they all just worked back in the day, except for Ask Jeeves.

2:00:20Luke Lafreniere:They had this cute butler mascot, and you would just type in a natural language question, and it was actually pretty good. A little bit of history in our notes here. It launched in 1996 out of Berkeley with a now familiar pitch. Type a full question in plain English and get an answer. IAC bought it for over a billion dollars in 2005, dropped Jeeves in 2006, rebranding to ask.com, but never seriously caught up to Google or even Yahoo, despite multiple relaunches.

2:00:55Linus Sebastian:Dropping the Jeeves was a mistake, in my opinion. I don't think they were ever going to catch up, but I think they should have, if they wanted to make a zone for themselves, they should have, I think, laid into the Jeeves side of things even more. especially in a world where like i feel like one of the things that's almost

2:01:19Luke Lafreniere:holding back the the relation the the emotions that people feel towards their their ai chatbots is the lack of a of an avatar like uh like a jeeves i think if anything the timing for jeeves

2:01:34Linus Sebastian:could be better than ever if jeeves was powered by ai almost agentic search so you should you could tell it to go look for something and it might actually even take a bit but it goes and like tries to gather things for you or even does something for you for it yeah like it goes and it

2:01:49Luke Lafreniere:tries to find you know the which vpn hey jeeves uh which regional vpn do i have to use in order to get the best price on this ticket uh please make sure you're using an ip other than mine to search because like i'm sure you've run into this loop where the second time you look at something the price goes up. Right. And it doesn't matter like, you know, which region you pretend to be from or like what computer you like, somehow they follow you and they know, Oh yeah, they've looked at it twice. They're going to book it. Like I'd be so down for that. Yeah.

2:02:29Luke Lafreniere:Um, Ballster says, you're saying you don't like Cortana. No, I mean, what I didn't like about Cortana was that it was just useless. It just sucked.

2:02:37Linus Sebastian:Honestly, the idea, I was really excited when Cortana was first announced. Yeah, me too. And then it was just terrible. The problem wasn't the packaging. The problem was the product. The packaging was actually fantastic. The little circle was good. The Cortana voice was like, obviously fantastic. And then just. garbage product.

2:03:00Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, once again, just the timing for the branding and the usefulness of the product just didn't quite line up. Okay. This is going to be a controversial take. Are you ready? No.

2:03:17Linus Sebastian:What happened to Good News WAN show?

2:03:19Luke Lafreniere:No, no.

2:03:20Linus Sebastian:It doesn't feel like it's

2:03:21Luke Lafreniere:been in full force this show. The Good News? No, no. Dude, there's lots of Good News coming. There's Good News. Nintendo is joining its competition in raising the price of their consoles There's lots of good news coming You'll pay more for consoles No, no, this is the good news part The good news is that Nintendo is giving several months of warning before the change in price goes into effect So, basically, here's a quote In light of changes in market conditions Nintendo has revised the MSRP of the Switch 2 around the world and the Switch 1 along with playing cards and the Nintendo Online membership in Japan.

2:04:00Luke Lafreniere:The price of the Switch 2 is going to go up around$50 globally. Complete pricing is in the Nintendo link if you want to show it. That's a smaller increase than both Sony and Microsoft put in place for their 2020 hardware. So like hardware that theoretically they paid the development cost on a long time ago. Outside of Japan though, consumers, even though it's a$50 increase compared to the much higher ones from Sony and Microsoft. Consumers will have until September 1st to buy one at the current price. As far as price increases go, giving people, what do we got here? Yeah, we've got over three months to save up and buy a Switch 2 if we want it at the current price.

2:04:47That is, I mean, is that worth nothing?

2:04:51Luke Lafreniere:It's not like Nintendo chose For component costs to go up

2:04:56Linus Sebastian:Wait wait wait Why is the online subscription going up I think that's only in Japan though right Uh They don't say Japan Yeah maybe That doesn't Line up though Open price I don't know what open price means One interesting thing from this is that the European and American pricing is matching up now. The current price was cheaper in the US by 20 bucks. And they're now aligning. Canada, we still suck. So it is what it is.

2:05:40Linus Sebastian:Yeah, interesting. If they were going to do it, I appreciate the heads up.

2:05:47Luke Lafreniere:yeah i mean that i guess that's that's that's the most silver lining thing that i can

2:05:52Linus Sebastian:it's not the silver lining show linus it's a good news show but the good news is that they gave us

2:06:00Luke Lafreniere:warning and so i need to make sure i talk about it on wan show so that if you really wanted to switch to then you can get it now still for the original price before it goes up that's the good news, Luke, because if we didn't talk about this and someone got blindsided by it on September the 2nd, that's on us. No. We gotta give people a shot.

2:06:22Linus Sebastian:Not shouldering that responsibility.

2:06:24Luke Lafreniere:We can't we gotta bring the people the news they need to know, okay? This is important news. 50 bucks is 50 bucks, man. Like, if you were gonna do it anyway, then No, I mean, if you were going to buy one anyway Then I'm sure you'd rather buy it for$50 less That's like half a Nintendo game

2:06:50Linus Sebastian:All this informs me is if you were thinking about Selling your Switch 2, that you should wait a little bit

2:06:56Luke Lafreniere:True, true

2:07:00Luke Lafreniere:Is there anything that would compel you to buy a Switch 2 yet at this point?

2:07:03Linus Sebastian:I have one Sorry, compel you to use it And I'm upset about it I still haven't busted out Donkey Kong I'm busy with other things Did you buy it though? I bought it mostly for Emma because she was a really big fan of the old school Nintendo era Donkey Kong games but I mean I would say I was interested in it my family was real big into the yellow cartridge Donkey Kong 64 game that game was sick but I didn't really play many of the other ones and other than that I haven't personally heard of a Nintendo game that has been super attractive yet there hasn't been a

2:07:49yeah

2:07:50Linus Sebastian:I don't think so modern Pokemon games are not that interesting to me I haven't seen a I could see a like breath of the wild style Zelda game coming out and being like nice I'm happy now the

2:08:04Luke Lafreniere:conspiracy theory is that Star Fox was, or Fox whatever his name is, was shoehorned into the Mario Galaxy movie because there's a game coming ended up being true. So the Star Fox announcement just came out.

2:08:17Linus Sebastian:Oh, I didn't even know that was a thing, but it just makes sense. Yeah.

2:08:21Luke Lafreniere:I didn't know any part of that story. Yeah, without people knowing anything else, just Star Fox being in that movie was like, okay, this is an IP that Nintendo has not made a game about in a long time in like a very long time

2:08:37Linus Sebastian:dude I never played the original Star Fox but I think I would be interested in picking this up um oh it looks kind of sweet actually

2:08:46Luke Lafreniere:original Star Fox Star Fox was like revolutionary and a game that I just could not get into I was a pilot wings kid a hundred percent yeah no Star Fox for me

2:09:00Linus Sebastian:You'd love the new one The gameplay is incredibly tight and satisfying Have you played it? Was there like a Somewhere that you could play this?

2:09:13Wait

2:09:16Luke Lafreniere:It's a Star Fox 64 remake? Oh That's honestly disappointing

2:09:27Linus Sebastian:Okay

2:09:30Luke Lafreniere:Oh no, Nintendo says it's based on the classic Hold on a second Oh wait, based on the classic space shooter Star Fox 64 but with redesigned characters and upgraded visuals Alrighty then, well that was a cool conversation while it lasted So this went from, that makes me excited

2:09:51Linus Sebastian:to have had a Switch 2 to meh, considering it's probably going to be full fat price, or close to it

2:09:56Luke Lafreniere:better i'm gonna do better all right on monday blackberry's stock jumped 13 yes that blackberry is it still a canadian company yes really 13 in pre-market trading after a wall street journal feature reminded everyone that blackberry a decade after ditching phones does in fact still exist and is profitable again. What? The driver of the new profit, pun intended, is QNX, a real-time operating system that BlackBerry acquired in 2010 that I was reading a couple articles about this. I kind of went down the rabbit hole because I was like, what? So that BlackBerry acquired in 2010 and that just was like kind of quietly doing their own thing, being mostly ignored by BlackBerry, but that now accounts for about half of the company's revenue and is embedded in roughly 275 million cars on the road today.

2:10:58Luke Lafreniere:So this is separate from the like, you know, Android automotive or like whatever operating system you might interface with in your car. This is running things like collision warnings, blind spot monitoring. So like when the LED lights up on your mirror, QNX is doing that. Safety information stuff. Adaptive cruise, lane keep assist. They knew they were going to lose the infotainment war like a decade ago. So they've pivoted deeper and deeper into like real-time safety critical features. Yeah, sweet. um blackberry's q4 revenue and this blew my mind hit 156 million dollars up 10 percent year over year with qnx itself bringing in 78.7 million up 20 percent um although it is worth noting that the stock is still down about 96 percent from its 2008 peak uh when it topped 83 billion

2:11:59Linus Sebastian:and they're on top of the world that's kind of whatever yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but still

2:12:03Luke Lafreniere:I mean that's pretty cool What a turnaround story The fact that they are making money again Is pretty crazy

2:12:10Linus Sebastian:What is the rest of their money Where are they making the rest of the 70 whatever million dollars I don't know For a while they were in like secure messaging

2:12:20Luke Lafreniere:They still have secure

2:12:21Linus Sebastian:Communications okay

2:12:23Luke Lafreniere:Yeah all I really cared about was this QNX thing and like sorry Who are these guys Where did this come from How is this worth 78.7 million dollars a quarter. Okay.

2:12:36Linus Sebastian:Yeah, it just blew my mind. Yeah, they do like sovereign on-prem infrastructure for like governments, NATO stuff. Yeah, okay. I mean, BlackBerry was known for that.

2:12:48Luke Lafreniere:They were known for security. Yeah. All right. And I just, I thought it was pretty cool that BlackBerry's back, baby. More like BackBerry. Okay, I got another one. I got another one you're going to like. A scientific team in China mounted a prototype 10 megawatt nuclear power unit to a truck. This thing is designed to act as a portable power bank that is expected to last several decades without requiring a recharge. So to put it in context, 10 megawatts is about the power of a medium-sized AI data center. And this could be just like on the back of a truck. Applications include. Sorry? Pretty wild.

2:13:37Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Applications include powering remote regions, emergency power restoration during disasters, and propelling maritime vehicles. Imagine that for a second, Luke. We have nuclear sub at home. Like what? Are you kidding me? the team has spoken about similar systems for use at the micro watt level for healthcare applications like pacemakers oh apparently they're also being considered for space systems there is growing private interest in nuclear with amazon investing in modular reactors while google builds a small reactor in tennessee amazon google meta and microsoft have all joined the world nuclear association.

2:14:23Luke Lafreniere:I could see that being a really cool outcome of the AI boom and crash is if all these tech companies use all of their buckets and buckets and buckets of money to build a bunch of clean nuclear power, and then the market crashes and they don't need it anymore. And then we would just have a lot of really clean power infrastructure. To be clear, I don't actually, I don't think that's going to happen. That's not going to happen. But can a girl dream,

2:14:57Linus Sebastian:Luke? Then we're cool. You can dream if it's heavily regulated dreaming. Oh, yeah.

2:15:04Luke Lafreniere:To be very clear, to be very clear, I would like nuclear power to be done with all of the regulation and all of the safety checks. But I thought the size of this, the size to output ratio of this thing is so cool. so cool. 10 million watts on something that is portable enough to be transported with a truck.

2:15:31Linus Sebastian:Pretty freaking awesome. Yeah. By truck, like, did you look at pictures? Do they mean like semi-truck?

2:15:37Luke Lafreniere:What's the scale that we're talking about? We're talking semi-truck.

2:15:41Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I thought so. I mean, that's still insane. Like, I'm not dogging it. I'm just trying to understand. In the back of your F-150 or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Strap it in.

2:15:52Luke Lafreniere:uh okay yeah buddy um all right okay hold on hold on i can do i can do more i can do more okay this is cool better you want to bring up the ltd labs website uh that's uh you're cheating yeah that's cheating that is cheating lucas lucas uploaded yet another really cool article just a freaking banger dude that i read top to bottom because i was all like yeah yeah what is up with that so the question that he set out to answer is what's up with power supply series like say for example the nzxt c core gold series where you've got what is seemingly one power design or one power supply design that's rated for anywhere from i believe it goes from 750 watts to 850 watts to a thousand watts but as you can see if you look at them clearly all using the same pcb and functionally a lot of the same design yeah there are minor changes but yeah yeah there are and lucas dives into all of them explaining which changes impact which characteristics of the power supply and what they mean for these different units and their ability to provide different amounts of power in a sustained fashion and i just thought it was a really cool read because it was something that i had like had half a thought about in the past but never really even gotten as far as forming the full thought, let alone asking somebody the answer to the question, and he just did such a good job of getting right out ahead of me and completely answering it and asking it all in one go with great pictures that illustrate the differences.

2:17:46Luke Lafreniere:I thought it was a really cool article and I read the crap out of it. I loved it.

2:17:50Linus Sebastian:There's also been a lot of really good stuff on the articles front recently. The iBot article, which I think we've maybe already called on Wensho's fantastic popular linux gaming distros uh we kind of we're adapting that into a video by the way

2:18:04Luke Lafreniere:yeah so i'm working on writing for it now i actually wrote one of the funniest uh i'm i'm the writer for it and i wrote one of the funniest intros that i think i've ever written nice yeah do you want to want a preview uh you can just say no you can just say you don't care about my work that's fine you can do that what do you mean by preview do you mean like you have a clip of it No, I mean, like, I can read it.

2:18:28Linus Sebastian:Oh, you're going to read it? Sure. Yeah.

2:18:29Luke Lafreniere:So I'm going to have... I always love the comedic value of one actor playing multiple characters, so it might just be me playing both of the characters, or I might have someone else be the husband. But we're going to do, like, an altar scene, like, for a wedding. And we're going to start with, like, the officiant saying, do you, Joe Gamer, take Linux to be your lawfully wedded operating system? And then we're going to cut. So we're going to have me standing in front of a crappy plate of church pews or something. I'm going to stand up and be like, I object! She's no operating system. She's a colonel!

2:19:10Luke Lafreniere:And then we're going to have a crowd gasp sound effects thing. And then I'm going to pull back the penguin suit. and we're going to have like a Colonel Sanders mask and then we're just going to like do like a hard cut because that is the dumbest joke of all time okay jokes aside what if it's just

2:19:33Linus Sebastian:the bride is like obscured by the veil and then when you yell it's a colonel and they turn to the screen it's just a penguin being like oh I was going to have the bride be someone in a penguin costume I know but you peel back the penguin costume like they're they're already maybe i'm being a linux guy i don't know whatever don't worry about it um so okay but jokes aside

2:19:59Luke Lafreniere:there is a common misconception that linux is an operating system when in truth it's just one part of a fully functioning operating system specifically it's the kernel with a k not that one the part that's responsible for managing resources and communications between the operating system and your physical hardware uh so we so it's just kind of like uh it's just like a super goofy opportunity to you know have a fun costume and have a really memorable way to without being all um actually and insufferable about it remind people that linux is not in fact an operating system it is a kernel and that's one of the big challenges that it faces both in terms of support from game developers and also in terms of choosing the right one and that's how we're ultimately going to get into the meat of the video, which is, what are the performance differences for gamers between the various Linux distros that are out there?

2:20:54Luke Lafreniere:And that was if you guys want spoilers for the answer, the article is already up on LTTlabs.com, and you can go check it out. Let's get our last sponsors out of the way. Oh, yeah, we can do that. Sure. The show is brought to you today by MSI. If you're looking to get into PC gaming, or if your current system is a bit outdated, check out MSI's Aegis R desktop computer. You can get a 14th gen Intel Core i7 and an RTX 4080 Super. So whether it's Cyber Cadet Pinball or Cyberpunk, this game's going to look great. Wait, how old is this? Is this current? Did someone copy old talking points in here? I have no idea.

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2:24:29Linus Sebastian:Dell and Lenovo answer Linux vendor firmware services call for sponsors. LVFS provides seamless system and component firmware updating under Linux with the FWUPD client and web portal. FWUPD.org is used by all major Linux distributions. The project has shipped more than 145 million firmware updates so far. Dell and Lenovo are the first two premier sponsors and will be supporting LVFS with at least 100 ,000 US annually. Other sponsors include Framework, Investment Disclosure for that guy, the Open Source Firmware Foundation, Red Hat, and the Linux Foundation. This is huge and awesome. Very cool.

2:25:20Linus Sebastian:Good and cool.

2:25:20Luke Lafreniere:This is the kind of thing that is just going to give these guys more resources to do what they already would have done. And that's one of those things that I just I believe so strongly is that giving people who would have done it anyway better tools and more resources is. and man, I hate to make a definitive statement on this, but I think it might be the best way to get an incredible result that is better for everybody involved. When you've got passionate people that cared enough to do it already anyway, and then you can give them the comfort and peace of mind and security to do that without having to worry about where they're going to get their next meal or their day job or whatever, you are just going to get such a passionate, thoughtfully crafted end result and i i just i i love to see people i love to see people rewarded for the hard work that they're doing for open source this is this is really exciting

2:26:25Linus Sebastian:holy crap what the heck what's up do we need audio for this

2:26:30Luke Lafreniere:uh oh dude that's what you found okay luke was looking for the next topic yeah this one's cool

2:26:36Linus Sebastian:There's a subject called CoolLTTRender by IEatPizza88 on Reddit. And I was like, oh, that'll be kind of neat. And then I looked at it and I was like, what? Get ready to have your mind blown, everyone. You've got audio playing elsewhere. So I need you to unmute that first. Okay, hold on. Is it just the show? Do you know? I can just... I think it's the show. I think it's the show. Is it gone now? Yes. Got it. It was the show. We'll do C and enable that button. Okay. I don't know if Linus will be able to hear this, but hopefully we will. That's fine. I've heard it. I got nothing. I accidentally paused it immediately, I guess.

2:27:13Linus Sebastian:My bad. Wow. What if there's... Hold on. Hold on. One sec. Hold on. One sec. No, no, no, no. It's working. Okay, we're holding on. We're holding on. Is there Easter eggs in here? What's in here?

2:27:27Luke Lafreniere:I do not have enough resolution to read that.

2:27:30Linus Sebastian:Projects. Sexy Segway. Sexy Segway. Tech House. Top Secret. AMD tech upgrade shoots. There's some Easter eggs in there. Okay, click play.

2:27:42Yeah, it's cool.

2:27:49Linus Sebastian:Is this copyrighted music? Did we check?

2:27:53Luke Lafreniere:Well, I guess it is what it is at this point.

2:27:56Linus Sebastian:We didn't check at all.

2:28:01Linus Sebastian:So cool. God dang. We're not done. Oh my god, it's so good.

2:28:14Linus Sebastian:Wow. That's actually just fantastic. How cool is that?

2:28:19Luke Lafreniere:And they said all Blender, all hand done, no AI. And I'm trying to hold on, I'm trying to remember. Was this their was this their first full animation in blender uh let me double check i seem to recall they said something about that but my wi-fi is not that fast especially when i'm streaming personal project yep my first personal project in blender that's so cool uh the 2d and sound design was done in after effects and uh they they said they used zero ai if you want to see how it was made let me know i plan on doing a breakdown at some point how flipping cool is that

2:29:07Linus Sebastian:i didn't i didn't see this because they embedded the video directly to reddit but they also have a youtube channel that they posted it on um haroon so check that out it doesn't have that many views so go go there and say hi here as well um i'm sure if there is updates it it might be on the reddit but it will definitely be on their youtube channel so so go there get subscribed

2:29:29Luke Lafreniere:it's just it's so it's so cool to see the kinds of things that um that people will just create spontaneously like that like that's uh it's and like no offense you know but i'm amazed at how good it is like it's incredible it's not that i don't what was his name again it's not that I don't believe in you, sir. It's not that I don't believe in you I eat Pizza 88. It's just that you made it way better than I would have ever thought that you could make it as your first Blender project. I would never know that you weren't a pro watching this. Yeah. So cool. Like it looks like a real ad.

2:30:22Linus Sebastian:Speaking of so cool, if you own any. Samsung's valuation reached$1 trillion on Wednesday as shares of the South Korean tech giant surged more than 10%. We are partially maybe losing, Linus. I'm just going to keep going. On Wednesday, Samsung's stock surged 15 % Oh. Okay. Crossing$1 trillion and making it the second Asian company past that mark after TSMC. The rally followed Samsung's record Q1 earnings last week, where operating profit jumped more than eightfold, and Q1 alone topped the company's entire 2025 profit. Jeez, driven by AI memory demand. Samsung's profit engine is High Bandwidth Memory, or HBM, where it currently trails SK Hynix at about 25 % market share, but recently started mass-producing HBM4, the latest generation, expected to power NVIDIA's upcoming Vera Rubin AI architecture.

2:31:22Linus Sebastian:Discussion question. What impact, if any, do you think this will have on Samsung's consumer products? I don't think it will have any. Samsung has always been very excited to be in everything ever. It's kind of funky to walk around Korea. I haven't been there in a long time, but it's kind of funky to walk around Korea and just see all the different things labeled with Samsung. There's Samsung tanks. Military division. Military, yeah. There's Samsung toilets. there's Samsung insurance uh there's Samsung whatever the heck you could possibly imagine I don't think they're ever going to give that up but um like and what I mean by that is I don't think they're going to do a micron where they just like shut down their consumer division I don't see that happening personally because they like being everywhere but they do have the weight to just scale so I do I do suspect they'll probably do that where they're saying here they started mass producing HBM4.

2:32:16Linus Sebastian:It's like, yeah, I see them doing stuff like that. Increasing production, hiring more people, expanding even further. They like are South Korea, so yeah, I wouldn't be too surprised if they just kept going. I'm back, baby. I don't know if that fits into Good News Wancho either.

2:32:36Luke Lafreniere:I mean, Samsung Space. Space! It's good news for Samsung. Space! I can't do it I can't do it no one can oh

2:32:47Linus Sebastian:that's an amazing reference if you're wondering what Dan and I are referencing that's one of the Red Alert games I think it's two oh man that's the wrong one I don't know if I want to show it on screen but it's like what the hell is this I will go to the last place not corrupted by capitalism space Tim Curry thank you it's amazing you can tell he's fighting off laughter at the end there. Oh, it's Command and Conquer, not Red Alert. My bad. I always mix the two. It is a core part of my being. Oh, yeah. It's amazing. Did I drop? You did. How far did I get? Nowhere. At all. You were gone. I hate it here.

2:33:35Luke Lafreniere:We're back to orange bars, green bars. Yeah, we can keep going. all right here's my good news spin on our last story um just a few hours after um the evening of may 5th when a large chunk of germany's internet went down it was restored ah good news the internet was restored is good news yeah this is our oh sorry okay i understand i don't think that's how that works yeah that's fine the outage ran from 9.57pm, so 21.57, to a little after 1 in the morning, the next morning, knocking offline major sites like Amazon, DHL, Steam, eBay, and German news outlets. Only domains that were pushed out faulty DNSSEC signatures were affected.

2:34:30Luke Lafreniere:Denik, which is the registry that manages the company's.de domains and who apparently pushed these faulty DNSSEC signatures hasn't published an official root cause yet, though some commentators have pointed to a botched zone signing key rollover. The registry says that it will release more details once the investigation wraps up. Our discussion question here is, do events like this make you worried about the many unknown single points of failure that there are for vital digital infrastructure? sure. And I mean, I think the answer is a resounding and obvious yes. Yes, it does. Like, I'd never even heard of these guys.

2:35:09Luke Lafreniere:And all of a sudden, like, you know, Steam's not accessible for an entire country. Are you kidding me?

2:35:15Linus Sebastian:What the heck? Honestly, my gut reaction was no. But the only reason why my gut reaction was no is because like, man, yeah, there's so much more. It's crazy. I mean, one of the wild things that we've been seeing lately is the cable cutting boats ships maybe I should say with undersea cables. I think China literally just did this to Taiwan very recently. We saw a lot of this in the Ukraine and Russian war. Was that even allegedly? I didn't think the Chinese Taiwan one was allegedly. I thought they just did it.

2:35:54Luke Lafreniere:Let me check. um Taiwan detained and prosecuted Chinese crews for deliberately severing underseas communication cables um um BBC source sentenced to three years in prison it just says Chinese national though yeah so maybe I don't know if they've been able to prove that the Chinese government did it I just wanted I mean

2:36:20Linus Sebastian:deeply enough into it but I thought it was like literally a ship designed to do this that they were like testing and then it worked but i i don't know but either way there's man the internet as we know it is such a crazy combination of building blocks of different systems and organizations and people and individuals and open source software and closed source software and and a massive variety of companies and the fact that it all works is it's all works and has insane uptime as a like generalized system is the fact that i'm talking

2:36:55Luke Lafreniere:to you right now is a miracle mind-blowing like we should never stop believing that we should never take it for granted because it's the the deeper you go into it i feel like it's it's like one of those um it's like one of those uh those like iq curves uh what what is it like like dumb smart smart dumb smart or like whatever but basically like yeah how how amazed you are by the internet like if you're super dumb you're like super super amazed and then if you're kind of like midwit then you might not be that amazed and then if you're super smart you're probably really amazed because there's like there's so much like professional grade duct tape no i know what's called a bell curve but it's like it's like a like a midwit um meme uh bell curve i

2:37:52Linus Sebastian:watched a video last night where uh destin from every day was talking to uh to the astronauts on the iss and i i kind of like no it's not mentally paused part way through just to like marvel and i understand it's not new technology not by a decent amount but i i paused for a second just to marvel the fact that they were having a video call it's just like yeah damn dude that's crazy um yeah it's uh it's a wondrous thing so there's a

2:38:27Luke Lafreniere:there's a version of the midwit meme where the like cloaked genius is at both ends of the distribution and then the like uh dumb guy is in the middle um yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

2:38:41Linus Sebastian:um oh crap

2:38:43Luke Lafreniere:or oh no it's the it's so it's based on the midwit meme yeah yeah sydney broke it has got it it's the one where the guys on both ends have the same outward opinion but the middle is like furious but in this case it's like the outside is like amazed and the middle is like meh um yeah cool all right dude that's it for topics we're ready to jump into wancho after dark what all you got for us mr besser well give me a second to change everything over we know you have a life crystal i just know i just know you can take it you can handle a bit a little bit of ribbing i don't mean it that way but like uh okay i'm gonna

2:39:27Linus Sebastian:i'm gonna stop now this is also a really cool video it's from the studio i know david david ml had a that's gotta be one of the best to do with i'm just plowing over you guys um david ml had a lot to do with this are there really seven keys to the internet this if you want to look into more of like man how the heck does this thing keep working this is honestly a great video it was stunning to me that this only got 180 000 views this is a really good video it's really interesting look into uh how some of this stuff works um yeah anyways internet is a crazy thing

2:40:04Luke Lafreniere:hi wandy getting the abcs of gaming for my 10 day newborn boy smiley oh congrats Linus, what is your best tech tip for younger babies? When should someone start them out on it? In your opinion, thanks. I think you should basically delay it as long as you can because they're going to get plenty of screen time and plenty of gaming time. And when they start asking for it is basically when you should start even beginning to ask yourself, you know should they have any in in my opinion i mean there's always going to be times when let's face it being a parent is not always easy and sometimes you actually just do need a break kids tv one two three taught my firstborn the alphabet and how to count and phonics um it's a youtube channel i'm not proud of it but i'm not ashamed by it um as for as for getting them into attack i don't think it's really like time-based but it's like motivation-based so my my kids had access to all the tech that they could possibly want but they didn't really start like learning 3d printing and modeling until the girls wanted to make toys and my eldest wanted to make some money and start a like a side hustle selling 3d printed stuff um it's gonna it's gonna happen organically and or or it might just not here's the thing you can't make your kids be interested in the same stuff that you are.

2:41:38Luke Lafreniere:It just doesn't work that way. Do it in front of them. That's a big thing. They will naturally be interested in whatever it is that you're doing. So if you're always like fixing up bicycles or if you're always, you know, working on computers and you make a point of involving them, that's your best shot at them adopting like a healthy relationship with, you know, whatever it is that is your hobby that you want to do with them. Hey, Linus, if Project Helix is a steam machine like device and windows is improved, how well do you think it will do against the steam machine? Oh, I mean, I feel like Luke has immediate thoughts on this.

2:42:24Luke Lafreniere:I could see it. I could see it in his face.

2:42:26Linus Sebastian:Uh, I actually don't think they compete that much. Yeah. Uh, yeah I think they're in different markets I think Microsoft has to compete with SteamOS but on a PC level I think the people interested in a Steam machine are interested in having Steam on their TV and if Helix is going to matter basically at all it's going to have to have some timed exclusives or whatever else maybe those games work on windows but and and maybe they sort of work on linux or maybe they do work on linux but with some tinkering or whatever wherever that line ends up being um but yeah i i think they're different devices i think they're different target audiences and as as like cool as it is as as you know windows is growing or sorry linux is growing in installation size what am i trying to say uh not market cap, market share.

2:43:32Linus Sebastian:In market share of people that are using things like Steam and whatnot, it's still a tiny slice of the pie. So like Steam Machine doing well is not going to be the reason why Helix doesn't make it. Like I would bet everything on that. Helix might not make it because no one has really cared that much about Microsoft consoles in a really long time because they've been not good. So it needs to like be really good and be really compelling, have good freaking games for once what are you doing and then also be priced well and if they can accomplish those things then it will matter and if they can't it won't that's it

2:44:10Luke Lafreniere:hey dll you've said before you generally have a good sense of how a video will perform pre-launch have there been any that genuinely surprised you by doing way better than expected oh you're gonna say you're saying better than expected uh i thought you were going a different direction with that and i had one completely ready for you uh the video keyboard that we uploaded earlier this week the uh the flux keyboard like vastly uh underperformed compared to my expectations and actually i guess follow up the the tv with no smart features the the scepter TV video, um, way over-performed. We got just over half a million views on this keyboard that like has an entire screen under it so that you can, uh, change languages on the fly or do it's, it's, it's kind of like a, like a stream deck, but an entire keyboard, you can put any icons you want that control anything, any hotkeys that you want in basically any software that you launch.

2:45:18Luke Lafreniere:um it's supported by windows mac os and even linux um it was like really cool it raised almost four million dollars on kickstarter super neat um yeah no one cared and then we did a video on like a scepter tv that was more like a like a writer's meeting like hey yeah what the heck why aren't there more like dumb tvs does anyone still make dumb tvs oh lol scepter does haha okay let's get one we'll like maybe just like you know unbox it and watch it a little bit and see if it's any good like two million views like okay well i don't know what the rules are anymore so um good luck everybody uh torpedo bench says i'm not surprised to hear the screen keyboard underperformed the video watched like an ad that is that is like super interesting feedback and i have i'm gonna i'm gonna have to watch it again and see if i can figure out like what you mean by that because i um i have no idea what you're talking about we not only is it not an ad but they didn't even send it to us like i didn't even buy one i borrowed it from someone who backed the kickstarter so i don't really uh yeah okay i'm gonna have to

2:46:41Luke Lafreniere:figure out what that means exactly. We're always open to feedback, but I just don't really know how to have a not-ad not look like an ad. No, I totally understand it wasn't an ad. It just had ad vibes.

2:47:05Luke Lafreniere:Interesting. I mean, okay, current year sucks. says, even when pointing out the downsides to the keyboard, you sounded super positive. I mean, I thought it was really cool. Sorry.

2:47:19Luke Lafreniere:Charcoal says it was scripted in a similar way to your sponsored content. It wasn't scripted. It was actually unscripted. I just thought it was really cool.

2:47:31Luke Lafreniere:I scripted the intro. Only the intro before we roll our animated intro was scripted. That's so funny. So maybe I, so you guys think my unscripted sounds like scripted and my not ads sound like ads. So should I just do all scripted ads? Rakenclaw says you're supposed to be cynical and dismissive. Like, no, I'm not going to do that. The keyboard's cool. I, this is man. It's not only, it's not only, um, like, like one person as well saying like, it felt like an ad. Like there's a number of people in float plane chat that are like, yeah, I felt like it had kind of like an ad vibe too. That's so weird to me.

2:48:13Luke Lafreniere:Turn it your suck side. To be clear, I didn't hate the video. No, no, I'm not saying you hate the video. And it's fine if you hate the video. Like, literally, the best videos on the channel still have a 1 % dislike ratio. You know, somebody dislikes something no matter how quote-unquote universally loved it is. And this is a scary comment from Birdie Num Nums. They mistook your enthusiasm for marketing

2:48:42Luke Lafreniere:That's kind of Sad A terrifying World to live in Where you're not allowed to be

2:48:51Linus Sebastian:Is that like TikTok undisclosed ad brain Going on? I wonder

2:48:56Luke Lafreniere:I do wonder that That's exactly what I was thinking I don't know huh

2:49:13Linus Sebastian:um can you unsay that please because i hate it i mean i think it's i've heard i don't have tiktok i've heard that's a thing i've heard that there's a lot of undisclosed advertisements on tiktok i can't say from firsthand experience um but like maybe maybe that's what's going on maybe you've been trained that if anyone's speaking that way about basically anything that it's an ad that is funny i haven't watched it yet but it's funny that it was unscripted not an ad they didn't even send the product etc

2:49:48Luke Lafreniere:literally everything people hated about it wasn't what it was

2:49:55Linus Sebastian:it's very funny

2:49:59um wow

2:50:05Linus Sebastian:it's called it's called this video raised i'm talking to dan this video raised 3.8 million on kickstarter it's dollar sign 3.8 m you got it okay like there's definitely things i think we

2:50:17Luke Lafreniere:could have done better um we tried to do that cool thing with the packaging where the thumbnail is actually the first frame of the video so it just like starts right away um because i really wanted people to like see the keyboard in action but i think maybe we could have chosen a better video i just liked the idea of like uh um playing a video of a keyboard unboxing while i unbox a video keyboard was just and you know what oh i wonder if this is something because i shot the intro afterward like after we'd already gotten it working and i was already like super excited about it so maybe maybe that's what's going on like an for like an intro maybe i seem too excited for something that i like hadn't really like explained or shown yet super stupid

2:51:04Linus Sebastian:server dude a fantastic name in full plane chat said i get i got those ad vibes too and i don't watch TikTok.

2:51:19Luke Lafreniere:And then meanwhile, like, nobody's mad about the sponsored video we did on LG's HTA 9 competitor. Their, like, wireless surround thing, which, by the way, totally unsponsored right now, but is really cool.

2:51:36But, huh.

2:51:39Luke Lafreniere:For the first time in positive Wancho era. I think you're going to have to take away my bird, Dan. Yeah, I don't know how to... Torpedo Bench said, wild guess... I don't know how to process this. I'm going to think about it. I'm going to fester.

2:51:54Linus Sebastian:I feel like considering how many people have this feedback, I feel like that's worth trying to work on and figure out. Torpedo Bench said, wild guess. You seem almost too informed rather than discovering it along with the viewer. I don't know if... It's interesting.

2:52:08Luke Lafreniere:He has left in shame.

2:52:10Linus Sebastian:He's gone. That is interesting. Again, I haven't watched this one. Maybe I'm part of the problem, but... Oh, he's gone completely. Slide over to Luke. Yeah. I'm just getting logged in and I'll do another poll thing. What's up, chat? Talk to Luke. How's it going? You must speak to me. I can maybe do merch messages if there's any ready and also for me.

2:52:34Luke Lafreniere:I have to reconnect him and do

2:52:36Linus Sebastian:things. That makes sense. Let me look at it. No! Oh, I mean, here's one. What's up, boys? Luke, what workout equipment, if any, do you have at home looking good? Looking good. I mean, I'm way out of shape. Interestingly enough, the first time I've gone to the gym in a really long time was actually last night. I am incredibly sore right now, dude. Oh my God. I did the... So you're not just waddling for no reason? No, no, no. I did my chest routine. So I did the whole skull crushers thing and everything. I was fairly surprised at how much I still had. Lateral raises was one that I was expecting to lose a lot of performance in.

2:53:18Linus Sebastian:I was still doing 30-pound sets of 12 lateral raises, which I was decently happy with. I had been out for a very long time. Basically, honestly, for surprisingly close to a year. I think it's like 10 months I've basically been out. there was um there was there was a massive reno at my house there was a bunch of moving stuff that was happening and i couldn't get spare time to go to the gym for a really long time and then health thing happened and then minor injuries because i wasn't going to gym for a long time and then i tried to start doing things again and i have a lot of small issues that if i'm not constantly maintaining them they're problems and now i've mostly moved through that and i'm going back to going to the gym.

2:54:02Linus Sebastian:And yeah, now I'm just very sore. I tried to, man, there was a guy there. I haven't been in so long, right? And it's just a little community gym that I go to, nothing too special. So I walk in and I used to recognize like almost everybody. And I walk in and I recognize like the front desk guy and he was a little bit surprised to see me. And I was like, yeah, I'm back. And that was cool. And then I walk inside and not a single person working out do I recognize. partway through my workout however this dude walks in and I recognized him and he's freaking stacked he's like way bigger than I that I remember him being and I was like wow cool and then partway through working out I I work up a little bit of courage and I and I walk up to him and I start trying to talk to him and I was going to say basically like hey man like I you know I used to come to this gym all the time and I don't know if you recognize me but I remember you from back then and like it's i really like appreciate that you're still coming it's like inspiration for me to see that you're still here because nobody else is uh and i get like halfway into it i'm here i get halfway into it and he's like oh i'm so sorry no english i'm like damn it like oh no um yeah But, yeah, so I don't know.

2:55:20Linus Sebastian:What workout equipment do I have at home? I ordered a weight bench, and it has taken over three months and isn't here yet. But theoretically, I have a weight bench.

2:55:30Luke Lafreniere:Well, I mean, in fairness, they did say that you were going to have to wait for it.

2:55:38Linus Sebastian:Jeez. And then... I'm going home.

2:55:40Luke Lafreniere:I came back just to do that.

2:55:42Linus Sebastian:I have a couple dumbbells. I'm probably going to be trying to get some adjustable dumbbells. And with adjustable dumbbells and a weight bench, you can do like an incredible amount of stuff. There's this thing that I've been looking into. I don't know if I want to talk about it yet, but it's a pulley attachment. So, you know, when you go to the gym and you have the like six axis pulley thing that's usually in the middle of the gym. That's not the right name for it. Darn it. I don't remember. Anyways, you have the pulley machines. You can attach it. I think it attaches through magnet or you can latch it in.

2:56:14Linus Sebastian:But you can attach it to basically anything. and then it has a electronic pulley attachment yeah i think that's right um and then you you you just dial it to a setting and then you have a pulley machine basically anywhere i don't remember what it's called no wow not a smith machine nope that's if i may have described that extremely poorly uh voltra i think that's right ultra pulley cable that's what i'm thinking cable not pulley yeah i've seen these how much are they I don't even know my laptop just froze there we go they might be super crazy expensive oh my god I'm not buying one of those alright sick sounds good uh oh

2:57:04Linus Sebastian:What? Yikes. You want one pulley and you want to spend$2 ,100 on it? What? It's a really cool idea. It can go up to like 200 pounds or something. You can attach it to like practically anything and then you can have a pulley machine anywhere. Okay. But my God, the price.

2:57:23Luke Lafreniere:Take a different gym, attach it to a pulley machine, have a pulley machine on your pulley machine.

2:57:29Linus Sebastian:ultimate bundle $6 ,000 it comes with two you can do both arms

2:57:35Luke Lafreniere:at the same time that's way more efficient

2:57:38Linus Sebastian:if you have that kind of money you need honestly not buying that is just losing money if we think about it that sounds like financial advice yeah

2:57:48Luke Lafreniere:refocus you butthead sorry my my camera will not refocus right now and I don't know why let me see if I can force it to you can't do anything It's the camera. Yeah, I can. Wait, you can? How did you do that? Now it's in focus. You had autofocus disabled. I did? Yeah. How would I do that? I don't know. Yeah, I can focus on the background everybody's saying is fake. I didn't touch the settings. The only thing that happened was my stupid, horrible MediaTek Wi-Fi cutout. I didn't touch anything. Weird. It's your fault. Okay, more? How did you change the focus on my camera? That is magic. No, I see you doing it, Dan.

2:58:35Luke Lafreniere:You don't have to prove you can do it. How did you do it? I clicked on focus. Yeah, but like how? The software that I use for the video call that we're doing here lets me adjust a bunch of settings. Yes, apparently, but explain further. I'm sure I'm not the only one that's like, this is cool. I mean, we're not associated with them, but it's called Video Ninja. Yeah, that's fine. I don't care. And there's a producer section. You can have multiple people. You can do a whole bunch of stuff. It lets me see all sorts of stats, like round trip latency, buffer settings, your webcam's exposure and stuff.

2:59:14Luke Lafreniere:What is it set to? 155.8, so I can do this.

2:59:18Linus Sebastian:I can adjust your white balance, your color. It really depends. Say you don't know what you're doing, and you have the wrong audio device. Yeah.

2:59:26Luke Lafreniere:or something like that i can also change your audio device i can um request that you change it to a certain thing yeah i'm just i don't recall at any point like i've never had to do it i gave i gave this application access to my camera but i guess i never really thought about that that meant access to my camera yeah i thought that meant access to the video feed i had no idea that there was even like any kind of like common api for webcams that would like i i'm sorry i just never thought about this before yeah and i mean i said earlier like oh you've got 32 cores on your computer yeah that i figured there was like kind of an obvious way for you to check but in terms of like also actually changing settings on the camera like what i've doxed you as well i've got your your external ip i've got like yeah yeah yeah all that i mean i assume again video call like maybe Maybe.

3:00:26Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, but that's exposed to me. Yeah, I don't know. It's great. I love it. What else can you change on my camera? I can change the aspect ratio. I can change the brightness, color temperature. Wow. Height, frame rate. Let's make you... You can make me taller. Let's give you 21 frames a second. Wow, this is great. I'm glad that I did this for the end of the show. Very cool. um all right why don't we uh why don't we jump into another com uh sure i'll just leave you a yellow then that works uh hi lld simpsons did it i dived out of a plane at 15 000 feet for charity last month i raised 1200 quid have any of you ever been skydiving also any recommendations for a UPS for a new Ugreen IDX6011 Pro NAS?

3:01:23Luke Lafreniere:Let me say all these numbers.

3:01:25Linus Sebastian:No. Always been interested, but never enough to bother going through with it, I guess. I suspect I will at some point.

3:01:36Luke Lafreniere:As for the UPS, I don't know. Get whichever one is the APC basic one or cyber power basic one that is the capacity that you need. If you're not, a data center, then that's all you really need to know is get one of those and that'll probably be fine. That's a super cool experience, though. I've never skydived. I'm not 100 % sure that I want to do it at all. I would...

3:02:11Luke Lafreniere:I am still thinking about it. Yvonne doesn't want to, though, and that's a major thing for me is we like doing things together. Luke, are you on board to skydive? Yeah. Yeah, okay. I'd think about it then. I've never had anyone to really push me, pun intended, to go skydiving.

3:02:31Linus Sebastian:That's the thing is my desire level on it has never been quite that high, but I've always been down. So it just hasn't really happened yet, but I'm pretty confident it will eventually. At one point in time, I was like, I'm going to do it, but I want to go like the whole way and I want to get like certified and I can do solo jumps and stuff. And then I looked into the time and the expense and was like, I'm not going to do it. Yeah.

3:02:55Luke Lafreniere:And the tandem jump is not as appealing to me as going by myself. Yeah. So the fact that I would do it once and it would be the like kind of, yeah, for babies version, to be clear, I still would expect it to be extremely thrilling, but I would just like, I would want to like, you know, do it myself. by the way Rod jumped in and so I'm just going to go ahead and say he says go Eaton for your for your UPS and get a lithium whatever it is are they affordable? FEPO4 yeah yeah no Eaton does have consumer friendly products that's cool thanks for jumping in with that

3:03:36Linus Sebastian:wow they totally do they look cool too what yeah

3:03:41Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, we got a lot of eating stuff. It's good. It's good things.

3:03:45Linus Sebastian:Rod tips.

3:03:50Luke Lafreniere:Did you cook chicken for it first?

3:03:56Luke Lafreniere:Okay, let's touch it to some merch. Hey, DLL, my wife and I know it's the weekend when the WAN show is on. What do you do with your significant other that makes it feel like the weekend is here?

3:04:13Luke Lafreniere:I host the WAN show with him. Oh! What about Luke?

3:04:24Linus Sebastian:Too easy, too easy. That was good.

3:04:29Luke Lafreniere:Hey, Dan, Luke, and Linus. Question for Linus. What if your most, quote-unquote, if they just do this, take for a company where you think they'd be super successful quote-unquote if they just do this thank you oh oh okay if they just do this they'd be super successful okay so this has to be a company that i've heard of so they have to already be at least reasonably successful if anyone else wants to jump in with no they could

3:04:56Linus Sebastian:be they could be failing but previously successful like uh we haven't talked about oh did you say

3:05:04Luke Lafreniere:microsoft i said ubisoft oh okay let's should we use this as our excuse to talk about microsoft yeah we haven't really we haven't really dunked on microsoft yet this show if they just actually put half of the resources into making windows better that they do into stuffing it full of ads and ai um i think they'd be really successful to be clear they could keep doing what they're doing now and still be really successful i'm just saying that if they did this thing they would be really successful i'm not saying they would be unsuccessful if they didn't they also and like this one i

3:05:37Linus Sebastian:actually don't want to harp on too much because they might maybe be making the right steps to doing it right now but they got to figure out what the heck they're going to do with their massive assortment of legendary studios that they have under their belt when they are not like the publisher of the moment right now it doesn't really make a lot of sense they they have so much potential there they have so such a wealth of ip and um it feels like a lot of mismanagement i don't remember the name of the game but some game came out did super well got rated really well and then the whole team got laid off and i remember just thinking like i understand do that the the fact that you can't remember the name of the game and it happens so

3:06:27Luke Lafreniere:often that you're like, which one was it?

3:06:29Linus Sebastian:It's awful. And it happens a lot with Microsoft. And the weird thing to me is I understand what I've heard the strategy is is that if they don't necessarily, I think it was Hi-Fi Rush, yeah. If they don't necessarily have something to work on like immediately and they can't ship something like soon then it looks bad on the books now so they just get rid of them. But the insanity to me is that with the amount of IPs that they have, like holy crap guys just put them on something else they clearly made good game they don't have to make good game version 2 they could go make other good game like that's it's okay you could put these people on on anything else you have so many different ips that they could be working on if you don't have an idea for them right now or if you think hi-fi rush 2 would be too soon or something like that have them go help another team for a while or something and then split them back off who knows but like just constantly cycling out good talent is not a strategy that is effective um and if you know that you have a team that can deliver just deleting them for short-term game gain does not feel like a microsoft strategy um that feels like a tiny has no money dead around the corner studio strategy that is failing and can't keep up.

3:07:51Linus Sebastian:And if you want to make yourself look like that, go ahead, I guess. But you're trying to be big guy in the room, Microsoft, and buy every freaking gaming company out there. Act like it. Follow through. Find the good teams that are doing well and assign them to something that they can do. And if they can't, if you don't have another thing that they can do, put them on temporary assignment. But don't lose that talent oh my god it's like groups like microsoft that have all this ip and all these employees and all this kind of stuff are getting just slaughtered by indies right now and and and not even like you you know you can't properly call larry in a triple a studio or at least you couldn't maybe they're getting closer to that uh but you could you couldn't when they dropped Baldur's Gate 3 and they just slaughtered everyone.

3:08:41Linus Sebastian:And a lot of that is from my understanding from Larian is they've just over the years grown this pool of just incredibly talented people that have just progressively made better RPGs over and over and over again over time. Just every time Larian has released a game, it's just gotten better, which is just insane. And you have the capability you can accomplish that you can do that and in a lot of these situations you have

3:09:09Luke Lafreniere:some of those people keep them anyways i like oh hi josh's if movie studios could just faithfully adapt a video game to a movie they would be successful um you know or tv or a tv series or whatever uh like it's it's blowing my mind that they're remaking harry potter when there's so many other beloved IPs that you could just go and license and do that with. Stop remaking the same old thing. With that said, I think keeping remaking the same old thing does appear to be a license to print money, so don't put me in charge of a movie studio anytime soon. I would have done something crazy like have people who love Star Wars make Star Wars movies.

3:09:57Luke Lafreniere:That's nuts. I know. I'm basically basically an idiot

3:10:05Luke Lafreniere:hi dll just fixed a thumbstick while uh with my wife in the hospital for a chronic condition what games would you recommend for people laid up in the hospital oh wow uh shouldn't the doctors really be fixing the thumbsticks

3:10:26Linus Sebastian:that's very funny dan no it's not shut up so wait they they want to play a game in the hospital and they can't use their thumbs am i understanding this correctly no probably the controller thumb stick broke and now they want to be able to play games and they're stuck up in a hospital yes

3:10:40Luke Lafreniere:what's that what's a good um sitting in bed all the time game i mean are they saying system i

3:10:47Linus Sebastian:think they mean like a system like a steam deck no games games games yeah i would really

3:10:52Luke Lafreniere:personally i think i'd be the last time i was stuck like in a bed and couldn't move my game was breath of the wild and a big part of what i liked about maybe that's part of why i liked the open world of it so much was that i was like stuck in bed well it's escapism right so i i would go to

3:11:10Linus Sebastian:like the the classic recommendations of like ball of the gate 3 expedition 33 uh breath of the wild something like that where it's an rpg that you can get yourself immersed into and feel like you're the character so you can kind of escape the area that you are mentally and go have like that some

3:11:28Luke Lafreniere:fun yeah hi lyra like and dominus i know you like the pebble watch linus but have you ever tried the instinct series of garment mip screen with basic features and incredible battery life long lip buttons no but i i definitely owe it a shot um because people said of my garmin short circuit that i like picked the worst one apparently uh or like the worst one for me so i'm like okay all right all right all right all right garmin fans i will i will i will give it another shot why does that keep happening to you um oh like upsetting fandoms just picking the wrong thing oh i i don't i don't know it's it seems i feel like the it seems like it shouldn't happen

3:12:19Linus Sebastian:this often yeah maybe the universe like like bends around it you help whatever he picks becomes

3:12:27Luke Lafreniere:the wrong thing that's right yeah i mean you help so many people find the perfect system or the perfect product for them that all of the the like negative karma comes back around it's like um You know, you're giving your health to other people. Yeah. I don't know. I'm in a mystic mood this evening. Thanks, Dan. A couple more. Hello, LL and the D. Any tips or warnings about moving somewhere new for a job? I've never done it before, and the opportunity might show itself soon. I have never done that. I really admire the heck out of people who pick up their whole lives and go somewhere new and learn a whole bunch of new things and meet a whole bunch of new people.

3:13:11Luke Lafreniere:And I've never had the drive or, I mean, even the guts necessarily to do something like that. That's super cool. Give yourself credit for being adventurous and give yourself time to give it a real shot to work out, I guess, is the only thing that I could really offer. last one i've got today has luke played pocopia yet a few months ago he went into a small rant about what he wanted to see in a new pokemon game then proceeded to basically describe pocopia really you have a switch i heard it was rated really well i have heard it's rated really well emma's

3:13:54Linus Sebastian:been trying to get me to play it i maybe i've like wrote it off on graphics too much maybe i should give it a shot i i just assumed it was just animal crossing but with pokemon am i am i being uh too reductive about this it's fun to watch people think so it's a little more advanced than animal crossing okay all right maybe i've been i haven't really looked into it much i just someone described it as animal crossing pokemon to me and i think it's animal crossing minecraft Pokemon. Minecraft? Okay, well the Minecraft element is interesting. Please, it's Minecraft Animal Crossing Pokemon and it's so good.

3:14:37Linus Sebastian:The people throwing Minecraft in the description loop there does make it a lot more interesting.

3:14:43Luke Lafreniere:I saw somebody made an underground dungeon for a Mr. Mime and he is trapped there. That seems

3:14:50Linus Sebastian:good.

3:14:50Luke Lafreniere:That seems like the proper thing to do.

3:14:52Linus Sebastian:Yeah, you can put Epstein in the ground.

3:14:55Luke Lafreniere:Oh boy. And on that note, I think that's the end of the show. We will see you again next week. Make sure to subscribe to the WAN Show channel because we're going to be transitioning over there over the next little bit. So same bad time, but like different channel. Wow. Yeah, see you there. Bye.

3:15:18Luke Lafreniere:I got to run, guys. I got to get to the airport. Finest. Okay, see you. Bye.

3:15:26Bye.