Android Has Become Apple - WAN Show August 29, 2025

18:52Luke Lafreniere:glitch do i have you don't get to pick how they glitch but that's why i said it if very specific ones worked totally fine okay then sure yeah do i have the yeah i have the main facebook app i don't

19:04Linus Sebastian:think i've ever used it do you you must need it for like see there's always like a thing on it that i need and then it has 30 other things that are really annoying and then it will send the notifications and stuff for the other things and i don't want them yeah i'm gonna have to figure

19:19Luke Lafreniere:this out because it's like doing it every time. Every time I click login, it's like flipping its biz. This is not something that I had encountered so far. Am I quite ready to put the sim in it? Sure. You know what? I'll go for it. And I'll just not use Facebook, I guess. Nice. Good luck, everybody. You know how much I love my Marketplace.

19:45Linus Sebastian:I wish there was a separate Marketplace app, but they'll never do that because they want you to see all the other jobs. That's right.

19:50Luke Lafreniere:That's how they get ya. All right, why don't we jump into our next topic? You want to pick it? Sure. Battlefield. Okay, we're talking about Battlefield, which I know nothing about. So I guess Luke's going to be leading this topic. You've played Battlefield in the past, right? I have played... Honestly, for this discussion, like the older the better. About... Hold on, let me think. Let me check what the cover art was, which should give you some idea because it came in a box. I'm assuming it's 1942. I played maybe an hour or two of Battlefield 2. Okay. Sure.

20:32Linus Sebastian:So Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4 era and previous.

20:38Luke Lafreniere:No, I played a little bit of Battlefield 4. That's the one with the destructible environments, right?

20:41Linus Sebastian:Are you sure you never played 1942? Everybody played 1942. load up the box art load up the box art

20:46Luke Lafreniere:do you know how it makes people feel load up the box art when you say everyone something load up the box art you know everyone loves ice cream and then if you don't love ice cream do you hate it when I say that and then if you don't love ice cream do you hate it when I say that you feel left out you feel you feel isolated like you're not one of everyone do you feel left out for not playing 1942 literally everyone you know if I said everyone has an LTT screwdriver you'd be like you don't exaggerate stuff

21:16Linus Sebastian:you crying right now is not an exaggeration at all

21:23Linus Sebastian:no I never played 1942 basically 3, 4 and before all had server browsers and at least some maps that were enormous shut up

21:38Luke Lafreniere:are they bringing back like like a server list? Like, can people host their own servers?

21:48Linus Sebastian:They're bringing back server browsers. What? So, the Battlefield 6 open beta that just, this is news from like 10 hours ago. That's illegal. The Battlefield 6 open beta That's illegal. That happened. They had two of them recently. Stop it. There was no server browser. You can't tell me something like this and then f***ing rug pull me. You can't. It's not okay. We'll get there. We'll get there. There was no server browsers.

22:11Luke Lafreniere:I okay I do not get a full release you are responsible for my blue balls

22:20Linus Sebastian:okay it is only partial but in my opinion it's a nice and partial that is only is completely fine that should in my opinion still give full release okay carry on so in those play tests there was two main problems that I had a bunch of problems but there's two main problems that I had okay the biggest most important one was no server browser. My reason for that is Battlefield is a very varied game. Back in the day all the maps were enormous and had tons of vehicles and then as it started getting more modern they got smaller and smaller maps trying to compete with COD and that was kind of okay but if you didn't feel like playing a small map you could just server browse and go to some 24-7 server and play whatever map you wanted as long as you wanted right and then they took server browser away and right around that same time battlefield went the sixth open beta had no server browser and had a lot of really small maps even their like biggest map honestly felt like one area of one of the old really big maps in the old games um jets like you could have permanent visibility on a jet as it flew around the map because the map was so small like just didn't seem it didn't feel right wasn't a battlefield it was more of a battle area i don't know battle position room yeah there you go cubby um so people wanted bigger maps and people wanted a server browser and then this article from rock paper shotgun appeared on oh my with all the ads um appeared on my device battlefield six is getting persistent servers and two vehicle heavy maps are coming in the next labs play test 24 7 insert map here only listings here we come so the the asterisk as a couple people in float plane chat have pointed out is that these persistent servers are for portal which is like that's a whole other game user create okay uh this is like this is like battlefield's version of halo forge so it's user defined rules maps basically yeah but that's what custom servers always were anyways yeah people pointed out like it's not the main modes yes it's like i don't know if i care well

24:38Luke Lafreniere:yeah i mean 90 of them are going to be some bullshit mode that is stupid yeah but then

24:43Linus Sebastian:there will just be like 24 7 this 24 7 domination this map yeah that it's like sick that's what i want to play right let's go that's all i want and it's totally fine um so i am very excited about this i'm excited that they're doing vehicle heavy maps because vehicle heavy maps almost always tie into larger maps and i think they need both it was weird when there would be like one jet on in the air on each team because i remember back in the day you like spawn at the airfield and there's like a few jets two helicopters maybe two large helicopters and one small helicopter a like row of tanks like it was very vehicle heavy and and the the maps they've rolled out have been small and not very vehicle heavy so yeah bigger hopefully they didn't say that part but they said vehicle heavy so hopefully bigger definitely vehicle heavy maps are coming the next play test and the like actual important part is the persistent servers um that's huge

25:46Luke Lafreniere:that's very huge that's interesting so do you think part of this is looking at just like the war thunders and world of tanks and cods of the world basically going okay there is a smorgasbord of pointy, gunny, explodey, add other guy, kaboom, go die, go bye-bye, like games at this point. You know, what do we do at this to differentiate ourselves? Because just having good gunplay, I think you just take that for granted. Nobody's going to look at you twice if you don't offer satisfying shooting mechanics. Gun attachments, cool reload animations, all that kind of stuff has been solved

26:30Linus Sebastian:for quite a while

26:31Luke Lafreniere:it's just that that's a given

26:33Linus Sebastian:so

26:34Luke Lafreniere:could this be and is this what you were hoping would be so exciting could this be a turning point where these guys go oh crap okay Battlefield is stealing some of our market share by going back in time and doing things that players like maybe that's an idea that's worth exploring to do things that players like uh yeah sorry one sec

27:08Linus Sebastian:yeah i know um so yeah i think so i i think it's it's an interesting turning point i genuinely like name name a triple a shooter that you've been excited about halo infinite it. That was good. I still like it.

27:26Luke Lafreniere:I was playing the other day.

27:28Linus Sebastian:How high would you rate it?

27:33Linus Sebastian:Name the last triple A game that you don't have to do that for. B plus. When someone asks you

27:38Luke Lafreniere:how would you rate it? Okay, hold on. Let me think. A shooter? Yeah. Oh god. See, okay. I was actually pretty excited for Overwatch back when that was launching because it looked like Team Fortress 2 but like more Blizzard. Which is pretty much what it was. Yeah. Nine years. Yeah.

28:09Luke Lafreniere:Okay. Hold on. Oh, God. Nine years. Chat, help me out here. chat chat help me out in my determination it's been basically nine okay i was okay it's not triple a uh but i was excited for back for blood but then you also had the caveat that it was supposed to have been good i never actually played that one because i heard it wasn't very good everyone just played left for dead again which was cool for a little bit Oh my god

28:41Linus Sebastian:Yeah, uh, wow Okay Is Splitgate 2 actually AAA?

28:50Luke Lafreniere:I don't think so That's like AA I think that's AA I'm talking

28:58Linus Sebastian:Big names, household name Charged Nucleases

29:02Luke Lafreniere:Unreal Tournament Okay Okay, okay. With that said, we should get some UT going at Whale Land. That would be freaking awesome.

29:13Linus Sebastian:So yeah, basically it's been a hot minute. And in my opinion, it's because the studio has been focusing on the wrong things, all that kind of stuff. And the Battlefield 6 beta to me felt like maybe half a step in the right direction. Okay. Like there was a lot of things that felt good about it, but like the lack of server browsers, the small maps, all these different things, they didn't really, it didn't feel fully correct um it's the first multiplayer shooter that i had some amount of fun

29:40Luke Lafreniere:playing by myself which was a really good sign like without grabbing a crew yeah i had i have

29:47Linus Sebastian:a buddy that works on that team and i i messaged him that being like that was a really interesting sign i found myself playing it solo and was like whoa right because i don't know the last time i've done that to a shooter you haven't even like gamed that much not really by comparison to like before yeah the before four times so it was like it was it was in no small parts because games have kind of sucked um so it's it's it's interesting i wish i could find his uh his messages because i want to see the other complaints that i had but but really like above all was the map size and the and the um and the no persistent maps um all right well i'm hopeful oh yeah so they did this thing where and this will hopefully not happen on the persistent servers, but they had a thing where it would auto-fill servers with bots.

30:37Linus Sebastian:And I actually hated that because back in the day, it was kind of fun when like every single player that was on the server had a tank because there was only eight of us. Or maybe it was like two helicopters, three tanks, and it was like the war of that, basically. That was fun and interesting. Battlefield is all about the emergent gameplay, in my opinion. only in battlefield was their old tagline because they'd show like the weird stuff you could do in battlefield that doesn't flourish when you're just stuffing it full of bots um yeah no server browser map sizes suck combat generally feels pretty good uh little light and fast but it's not cod cancer so i'll take it and it sounds like they might have even slowed it down the medic feels really cool the medic feels overpowered which i think is good right because

31:27Luke Lafreniere:Because when you see a medic, you should be like, oh my God, let's war crime him.

31:31Linus Sebastian:Basically. Because otherwise we're boned. Basically, to be honest.

31:40Linus Sebastian:Because like, so the medic now gets paddles. Okay. And you can just, and somebody's up. Nice. Which is crazy. And you can like, you're up, you're up, you're up, you're up, you're up. So you can like lift a whole team. What about Asia though? Oh my God. You can get a whole team up really, really fast. Never a land war in Asia.

32:02Linus Sebastian:Oh my god. Which is interesting because, like you were saying, if you don't take the medic down, it's like really hard to actually beat a team back. Right. I think there's a certain amount of times that you can go down where you can't get brought back up anymore. And I know that if you get headshot by a sniper, I also thought this was a cool mechanic, you are fatally wounded. You can't come back. Oh, okay. That's cool. Which adds some interesting play with the snipers. What if you're headshot by not a sniper? Then you can still be brought back up. Interesting. Okay. So it's interesting how they have like kind of hero mechanics in the classes, but not so much.

32:38Luke Lafreniere:Snipers will have a role on the team other than just being f***ing assholes who don't actually help with anything.

32:43Linus Sebastian:Yeah, except they'll usually just counter snipe each other permanently. So they'll still fill that. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. But some of them will understand. Like there was some, there was a challenge where you had to get a certain amount of spots as a sniper. So I was playing sniper for a bit. but I played like relatively close range and I would really go for those like close combat headshots and then you'd see medics run up to them and be like, and it doesn't do anything. And then you'd shoot them because you're a Canadian.

33:07Luke Lafreniere:Yes. Got it.

33:13Luke Lafreniere:And you think that's funny. Yes. Because you're a Canadian. Cans of food.

33:21Linus Sebastian:Has it been long enough? Can we joke about that? Is that too soon? There's no way it's too soon, right? No, we're fine. It's been like 80 years.

33:31Luke Lafreniere:Oh my God. Can we help you? Nobody read up on Canadian history. We're nice. I'm sorry. We said we're sorry. What do you want?

33:42Linus Sebastian:They were expired, I guess.

33:45Luke Lafreniere:Okay.

33:47Linus Sebastian:They were expired.

33:49Luke Lafreniere:There was no war crimes in the Ba Sing Si. Someone expired. Oh boy. Into pieces. Do you want a different kind of canned meat? You still got 22 minutes. I know, but it doesn't, you gotta, when we're done the topic, you gotta. I don't have, do you want to just move on? You still got 22 minutes for topic two. Yeah. I don't have the third one. I know, but you just put whatever the next thing is. Do you want to do the next thing? We'll do the next thing. Yeah, we'll do the next thing. We don't want to drag out topics. Ah, yes. Okay. CW announce, explain into merch messages. The way to interact with this show is merch messages.

34:23Luke Lafreniere:We don't do super chats or Twitch bits. We do merch messages because we believe that when you throw money at your screen, you should get some quality merchandise in return. And boy, do we ever have some great stuff for you guys this week. If you head over to lttstore.com, all you got to do is, what? The super soft hoodie is back? Let's go back in stock, baby. Super soft hoodie. It's just as soft and squoogly as it ever was and is available in all sizes. This is an extremely well-reviewed product that people flippin' love. Best hoodie I've ever had. And Brandon L. from Tucson would not lie to you.

35:10Luke Lafreniere:All you gotta do is add it to your cart and you'll be prompted to send a merch message. Tucson? Tucson? I don't know. Whatever. It's America. I assume they're just pronouncing it all yeehaw and I'm going to say it wrong anyway. The point is that you'll be prompted in the cart to leave a merch message and it will go to producer Dan, who will, I don't know, reply to it or put it down there, or he'll curate it for me and Luke to respond to.

35:43Luke Lafreniere:What?

35:44Linus Sebastian:Just say it. Toosin. Arizona? Yeah, he's talking about Tucson, Arizona. Or, alternatively, he's talking about... The canned foods again?

35:59Luke Lafreniere:Why are you so mean? Anyway, you can also check out our back-to-school collection, which has everything you need for back-to-school, whether you are going back to school, have gone back to school, or you don't have any school at all. We've got our commuter backpack, our washed crewneck sweatshirt, our scribe driver mechanical pencil we have pencils and pens now in the scribe driver lineup i don't know why we think you need a fidget spinner for back to school but hey uh there you go we've got that we also brought back that's right my friends the rgb t-shirt the one that has the little the little flex the little splash of color and is super super soft and comfortable This is also one of our very, very well-reviewed items.

36:47Luke Lafreniere:So we've got that available in all sizes. You can add that to your cart. What else is in the back-to-school collection? Oh, we've got our notebooks. Yep, that's a notebook. All right, it's a book where you can make notes. And look at this. How cute is that? It has a little tablet on it. It looks like a little high-tech notebook, but it's not actually tech. There's no tech in it. Also, water bottles and desk pads and stuff. Anyway, Dan, you want to show them how a merch message works? by reading one for us. Sure, I can do that. That's what I've done before. I've got a few here. There's one here from Blake.

37:19Luke Lafreniere:He might even do it again someday. Yeah, I mean, if this doesn't go very well, we'll see. Linus, you've said ADHD helps you move on fast. I jump from hobby to hobby and struggle to stick with things. Any advice on staying on track or turning that into a strength? Oh, boy. Yeah, so I think the context that you're bringing up is when I said that it kind of helps me get bored of something before the audience has a chance to get bored of it, which in show business is kind of known as always leave them wanting more. And it's pretty good in my career. But to your point, it also can prevent you sometimes from getting really into something with a level of depth that can turn you into a subject matter expert.

38:12Luke Lafreniere:Fortunately for me, I operate really well, and I am able to perform well in my occupation as a generalist, you know, kind of with a surface level knowledge of just about everything to do with tech, and enough to ask the right questions, to drill down the right amount, to cover most topics, even if they aren't things that I have, you know, done an entire like postgraduate degree on right um as for you know how you turn that into a superpower i mean honestly it's like it's like anything uh if you have a horse that has the superpower of you know being able to sprint for exactly exactly 12 seconds but then it needs to nap for two days it's like well that superpower is literally only useful if it needs to run a 12 second race So part of it might just be putting yourself in a position where you're running the right kinds of races that your powers are beneficial for.

39:16Because one of the things that I've discovered is that you can't really, or I struggle to force myself to be interested in something.

39:25Luke Lafreniere:I can do it for a period. I can kind of make myself learn something that I don't care about. But what I've found is my retention of it is extremely poor. So, good luck.

39:49Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, do you want me to call her in?

40:02Luke Lafreniere:Oh, that's a good question. I bet he hasn't looked at it in over a year.

40:06Linus Sebastian:It's been a while.

40:07Luke Lafreniere:I was going to say like over two years probably.

40:10Linus Sebastian:It's been quite a while. We more look at like monthly. Oh, dude, Dan, you were muted.

40:15Luke Lafreniere:Darn it. They wanted to know how many gigabits does float plane push? Just kind of rough is fine. And he's pulling out his phone. Yeah, give me a sec. He's going to go check it. Okay, should we move on in the meantime while he looks this up then?

40:26Linus Sebastian:So one of the things is that I'm not going to be able to like effectively uh fully answer your question because it's like if you're talking about yeah if you're talking about peak um i won't have that metric in front of me right now but peak is not as anywhere near as important to us as like monthly overall throughput and the reason for that is like it

40:51Luke Lafreniere:but that's what it looks like that's you may not like it but this is what monthly overall throughput it looks like.

40:59Linus Sebastian:Sorry. And one of the reasons for that is because we, for VOD, are using Cloudflare for delivery. So we will send up from our servers, and I think this is probably what you expected, we will, like, if someone clicks on a video, sometimes it will come from our server up to Cloudflare and then to the user. A lot of the times it's already there and Cloudflare just sends it to the user. Right. The most common situation where it's not already there is if you're the first view on a video right because it hasn't cached it yet so you're the person who instigated the move to to transfer the video not transfer to copy effectively the video from our origin server up to let's not at that point it's not being cached at this point but it will yeah yeah you're instigating the caching of it up into the cloudflare server and then it goes for to from cloudflare's servers to cloudflare's edge servers then it goes from cloudflare's edge servers to you uh a long time ago we did this ourselves in a lot of locations mostly north america and these days antarctica yeah that was fun um and these days we're we're almost entirely doing it through cloudflare unless you're doing a download and then that's coming from somebody else and then unless you're watching a live stream and that's coming from somebody else unless you're doing xyz so basically i just hear a lot of

42:23Luke Lafreniere:excuses. I have an idea, though. For what? If we want to know the peak throughput, could you just look at it really quick? Not really.

42:32Linus Sebastian:It wouldn't be... Oh, my...

42:38Luke Lafreniere:Just real quick. Just, you know... My God.

42:43Linus Sebastian:One of these days you're going to get hit.

42:49Linus Sebastian:Oh, my goodness. I'm trying to find... I don't remember where it is. One second. Should we do another one? I'll keep looking. Yeah, dig it up.

43:00Luke Lafreniere:Hi, gang. Question for Linus. Investing or starting your own business? What moves you to either? In what world would you start your own, quote unquote, framework or invest in a badminton center? Oh, wow. That's a, that's a, that's, that feels like a pretty deep question. Okay, so why don't we start with what made me make the various decisions that I made?

43:29Luke Lafreniere:Why invest in framework? So that was a pretty impulsive decision. I hadn't met anyone on their team. All I knew about them was the laptop that I was holding and their kind of vision for it, which I very much was in favor of. creating a product like that from scratch felt completely outside of my area of expertise and i don't mean in terms of like product definition i i think i probably could have done that pretty well but what i didn't have was the contacts and the experience navigating the electronic supply chain to bring that all together and produce volume of it i mean that that was the hard part.

44:17Luke Lafreniere:Prototyping the first framework 13, you know, I don't want to put words in their mouth, but I think they would probably say it was pretty easy, relatively speaking. But going from prototyping to building a relationship with suppliers like Intel, with manufacturers, getting time on the assembly line allocated to you, there's a lot of more than just the costs. There's a lot of politics to play because every hour of every assembly line that they give to you is something that they could have given to some other product that might make them more money or might curry them political favor or might have some other, they might be able to use for their own products so they could make more profit.

45:05Luke Lafreniere:But there's a lot at play when it comes to taking something from an idea to mass production, which is one of the big reasons that so many Kickstarters and so many startups in general fail. So why would I invest in Framework? Because I wanted to be part of that journey, but I knew that I had absolutely no capacity whatsoever for making it a reality on my own. And it's not like I'd never thought of the idea of starting a PC manufacturer before the modern handheld PC era got, you know, sort of, I would say, not kicked off by the Steam Deck, but accelerated by the Steam Deck. It had occurred to me that I kind of thought a lot of the options that existed were okay, but there's things that I would have done differently.

45:58Luke Lafreniere:And I did look at a company like Ioneo before they were acquired because that tends to happen when you're just a tiny, inexperienced team and you bring a product to market. I looked at something like that and I went, wow, that's like a really small team. Could we just hire a small hardware engineering and supply chain team and make the LTT handheld? And then Valve launched the Steam back for like$350,$400. And I was like, okay, well, I'm glad I never had anything to do with any of that. Because then I would have just been out all of my investment. And that would have been horrible.

46:34Luke Lafreniere:Where was I going with this? Right. So it's not like it never occurred to me. I just, I looked at it. I went, yeah, I have no idea what I'm doing with any of this. So I think it'd be better if I just butt out. And so I did. As for the badminton center. Oh, yeah, right. The last thing with framework is, on the one hand, I was looking at it going, there's no way these guys have a shot. I'm throwing this money away. But on the other hand, they're going to be a laptop manufacturer. So if the slimmest of chances, victory, if somehow they manage to achieve some kind of scale, then, I mean, theoretically, the sky's the limit in terms of what the total addressable market is for their product.

47:22Luke Lafreniere:so it could be a good investment it's it's like any early stage like very early round or angel level investment where you just are kind of you're throwing your money at something because you believe it has a shot or because you really appreciate the vision or in the case of me because you believe you can bring something to it that will give it a better shot at success and you throw that money in there and you go goodbye money and then maybe someday it comes back, but if it does come back, it should come back 10x or 100x rather than, you know, at a more predictable rate of return, like a few percentage points each year, like you might get with sort of a more low-risk investment strategy.

48:10Luke Lafreniere:Okay, badminton center. Why would I start my own instead of investing in a badminton center? because before the show, a viewer sent in this. It's a bird-a-rang, so it's like a robin thing. Something, something, R, hard R's. Okay. This is a, well, no, because of the incident. The incident. I know. With the R word and the heart.

48:43Linus Sebastian:It's technically a hard R.

48:44Luke Lafreniere:It is. metal you know that sort of thing good job dell our laptop partner yeah um for making that delightful noise with your metal chat oh god did i dent it no it's okay that'll buff out um of course it's a dell the point is they sent me this don't worry too much about that um now i'm gonna look for a word to describe investing in a badminton center with because i'm looking for a word to describe investing in a badminton center. It would not be a very good idea. Badminton centers are quite possibly, on this earth, one of the worst ways to make money.

49:29Linus Sebastian:You need an enormous building. The court time is very inexpensive.

49:33Luke Lafreniere:You need a ton of parking. You can only have a fixed number of customers at a time that is dictated by how much room you have on the court.

49:44Linus Sebastian:It's a very small amount of customers per square foot.

49:46Luke Lafreniere:Your busy hours of operation are irresponsible. That's the word I was looking for. Bean 710 nailed it. That was the R-themed word that I was looking for.

50:00Linus Sebastian:Responsible, but with an I in front of it. Yeah, like Apple. Yeah.

50:04Luke Lafreniere:Like, you know how they were putting I on everything for a bit there. I responsible. I responsible. right yeah so for sure to be clear to be clear you know before any you know lmgers are watching this going well like what what the heck why why are we funding a money losing badminton club or whatever relax um there is actually a path to profitability but that path to profitability is not going to, like it's not going to be sucking at the teeth of LMG forever. And in fact, already, it's like kind of cash flow positive, but it's a little more complicated than that. But already, it is not a drain on any of our other resources.

50:51Linus Sebastian:But usually when you invest in something, you want it to go, whoo. Well, yeah. So not being a drain is not usually like an investment indicator.

50:58Luke Lafreniere:Correct. Yeah. And when you invest in something, you generally expect a competitive return on that investment compared to, I don't know, buying Nvidia shares, not financial advice. So, yeah, why did I choose to start a badminton club? Because I wanted a degree of control over that business that I felt I could, with at least my contacts, um bring some expertise to um and it wasn't about pure return um yeah it was a life dream kind of answer the question oh i always yeah i wanted my own club partially just because um

51:43Linus Sebastian:i wanted something closer yeah and everything else is basically rich i'm assuming there's one at least a little bit closer coquitlam burnaby something there's there's a couple in poco yeah

51:54Luke Lafreniere:but that's pretty far and it's over the bridge which means the bridge is quite the barrier yeah yeah yeah with that said with that said smash champs is over the bridge for a lot of people and it's not that bad a lot of our clientele is from like surrey um langley abbotsford maple ridge pit meadows um people do come up from delta delta as well uh most people aren't driving in from like richmond vancouver uh burnaby though actually is pretty good for us as well yeah i

52:27Linus Sebastian:feel like if you're in burnaby bridges are part of life oh yeah oh yeah it's bridges to anywhere

52:33Luke Lafreniere:yeah um hold on i got a question here big sneak asks linus would you be interested in renting the land party space to someone else hosting a land party probably not um you know one of the things I keep telling the Smash Champs team is, you know, in the absence of, like, a formal mission statement. Actually, I think we do have a mission statement. Anyway, the point is, I keep telling them, our guiding star should be asking ourselves, is this good for our premium members? Because the premium members, the ones that are committing to playing here and probably only here when you're paying that much and being part of our community, those are the ones that we should be making the same commitment back to um and so we should always be asking ourselves when we do something how does this benefit our premium members this is this is

53:30Linus Sebastian:off general topic for wancho but it's a continuation of this topic so i'm going to send it um how's the food and drink situation coming that's not ever or oh yeah it will okay yeah so uh because like to me it feels like a pretty complete package except you can't get snacks even because if you could get like a healthy smoothie like that pairs with go play badminton go to the gym really effectively especially if you had some

53:56Luke Lafreniere:protein options yeah for sure yeah um so what luke's alluding to is when we built the kitchen we couldn't find a good consultant slash we were busy with a bazillion other things getting that place built out and we built our concession area with only one sink and according to some by law that someone wrote somewhere in order to do any kind of food anything even as simple as heat up a hot pocket and hand it to someone we need certification for the people that are working there we need two sinks one dedicated to washing up and one for everything else i assume i i don't know i haven't done the course food pro yeah um and there's a bunch of other stuff we need we need more venting.

54:36Luke Lafreniere:There's a whole bunch of stuff. That's going to require us to go back to permit. And so now that we have a grand opening tournament done, one of the tasks that our general manager has on his plate is to put together all the things that we want to do and do one permit application. Because one of the biggest obstacles to getting f***ing anything done, anything done for a business is waiting a thousand years for drawings to be done up and permits to be submitted and somebody to review them and revisions to come back and then you pay a whole whack load of money to consultants and whatever and then finally you're allowed to actually start building the bloody thing yeah um and so being able to wrap all of that up into one permit application is going to

55:26Linus Sebastian:be good and we know it's possible because there's examples of it like gold's gym in langley has a like uh smoothie and wrap little mini restaurant thing like attached to it it's doable um like you guys might even get some interesting uh i don't know how far you want to go with it but you might get some money off of uber eats and stuff off of uber uh i doubt it you had smoothies and stuff

55:51Luke Lafreniere:yeah i doubt it there's not much residential around there so there'd be no reason to order from us versus something closer anyway one of the other things we're going to do is we're going to add more showers at the back of unit 102 um some of the and those will probably be premium member only is there like a wait for showers right now right now um there's only one shower per per sex change room so yeah it's uh it's a bit of a challenge yeah sure um

56:19Linus Sebastian:food truck would solve the issue yeah one of the problems people are spamming invite food trucks The problem is it's not invite food trucks. It's pay for a food truck to be there.

56:26Luke Lafreniere:Cause you have to pay a minimum regardless of how much they sell. Like food trucks, they don't just like, you can't just be like, oh, hey bro. Can you just like come chill with your food truck here? Yeah. Like you, like, you know, all of their, all their stuff runs off of, you know, like gas and diesel and stuff. So they like, there's a significant cost to them sitting there running. um like i get it and they're not you know they're not jerks or whatever for not showing up at our badminton club they just have better things to do yeah and people are asking could it be self-serve yeah yeah uh there's a microwave in the premium lounge upstairs so people can use that i'm not saying fridge yeah i'm not saying nobody can get a snack ever as it is right now which is part of

57:11Linus Sebastian:why it's not super urgent yeah it's like totally fine because you could bring your your shake or whatever you wanted and throw it in the fridge or whatever if you're a premium member but it's still it's nice. Oh yeah, 100%.

57:24Luke Lafreniere:Screw a tech yacht. Clapped K24 Accord. Tech food truck. Food tech. I feel like that will

57:36Linus Sebastian:eventually be a thing, but it'll just be robots making food.

57:44Oh my god, is that like a future

57:48Linus Sebastian:version of food delivery? I think we can move on. Where it's like ultra fresh. Sure. Because they just made it outside of your door. Like the food delivery vehicle is just the restaurant.

58:02Luke Lafreniere:Thank you, Luke.

58:03Linus Sebastian:And it's robo-driven and robo-made food. Patent pending. Thank you, Luke. And then a little robo-dog thing walks it to your door. Okay. And then walks back and stashes inside the truck. Thank you, Luke. And then it just drives to the next location. I love this. And it cooks on the way. I love this. So it's piping hot when it gets to your door instead of like, oh, it was driving around for half an hour.

58:22Luke Lafreniere:Like pizza delivery, but it's a 900 degree oven that drives around.

58:26Linus Sebastian:Yeah. And then just. It's a stone oven? Yeah, it just gives it to you.

58:30Luke Lafreniere:Thank you, Luke. Come and collect your pizza. That'd be sick. In other news. I'll invest. We've read your comments. Scrapyard Wars waiting room. When is Scrapyard Wars part three? It is currently being QC'd by our team. We will have it ready sometime later today. And while you're waiting, Sammy's literally typing right now. Why not check out something? Okay. And he has decided to go and fix grammar somewhere instead of continuing to type this sentence.

59:07Linus Sebastian:Where in the world is Sammy Yu? Why not check? State of the labs.

59:10Luke Lafreniere:Ooh, state of the labs. Language. Language, Sammy. Language. What is he doing? Why is he? I don't know what he's doing. We're going to stop looking at him. All right. Anyway, the point is that over on the float planes, we have got some great exclusive updates right now. Let me see if I can. Pizza warmer on wheels. What? Part three. Okay. Thank you for that. Let's go. Very, very recently, two days ago, Luke, Nick Harris, and Lucas from the lab sat down and did a 40-minute discussion on what exactly the heck is going on with LTT Labs. So that's going to be an awesome watch for y 'all if you are kind of curious what's going on behind the scenes over here.

59:58Luke Lafreniere:We also have behind the scenes and extras from the Which Tech Tuber Can Build the Best$1 ,000 Gaming PC, as well as from our recent upload on channel, Super Fun. It's been a minute. of Linus versus the Badminton Pros. So you guys saw on Channel Super Fun, the Keyboard Warriors versus the Badminton Pros with their various handicaps. Well, now we've got Linus versus Badminton Pros with their various handicaps. They didn't end up needing quite as many to play against me. Nothing against the Keyboard Warriors. They did a fine job, but yeah, I'm a fair bit better at Badminton than the Keyboard Warriors.

1:00:39Luke Lafreniere:Warriors. Were you solo against both of them? Well, yeah, but like they, that's a thing. I would play with singles lines. Did that make it over? No, I think I hit it out. You can tell because she's serving now. That means they won the point. And they were, you know, they were nice to me. You know, she could have smashed that a lot harder. She decided not to. She kind of lobbed that. Like, they're not trying to make me look bad here. Yeah, they don't need to. No, I know. I get it.

1:01:07Linus Sebastian:No, he's doing good.

1:01:11Luke Lafreniere:So you see how tight her net return is compared to mine? Incredible. Yeah. Like that, that's the thing. You're damn good at this. That's the thing. You played a little bit of badminton. That's professional.

1:01:22Linus Sebastian:I love how you start fluffing him up on the one that he screws up.

1:01:26Luke Lafreniere:Oh, you know I'm joking.

1:01:30Luke Lafreniere:Professional players, Luke. Yeah, Luke. Relax, bud.

1:01:34Linus Sebastian:How is this happening? Are you going to go to sponsors? I got to go turn on Mark's computer.

1:01:39Luke Lafreniere:Luke is apparently supposed to talk about how he envisions labs the massive rehaul and a new egg collab type thing back in a minute what if Luke wants to talk about more he could just not do the call to action below I don't know what Sammy's talking about anyway tune in next week and we'll release the final episode of Scrapyard Wars and extra announcement on September 9th 10 a.m. we're doing a live stream director's commentary on all the episodes featuring david dan sammy natalie adam and hoffman the main editor for scrapyard wars 10 if this kind of content sounds interesting check out lmg.gg slash float

1:02:17Linus Sebastian:plane oh that isn't things to say those are things that are in the video it's not a new egg collab type thing it's that we're gonna be having new egg pricing on the lab's website oh that's sick

1:02:28Luke Lafreniere:yeah like we'll just have an api and we'll just have pricing yeah we're trying to do that with a A lot of other stores.

1:02:35Linus Sebastian:Newegg has been the easiest to work with so far. Wow. Yeah.

1:02:38Luke Lafreniere:That's extremely exciting.

1:02:40Linus Sebastian:Yeah. So in the bring your own price tool, there will be an option to insert a current price from various stores. Right now it's just Newegg, but theoretically in the future it'll be various stores. And when you're looking at a product review, it will show the currently pulled price from Newegg and in the future, other stores.

1:02:58Luke Lafreniere:That's flipping awesome.

1:02:59Linus Sebastian:Outside of Amazon, who else do you plan on working with? We've reached out to a variety of people, most people have ghosted us um which is neat um in canada i reached out to canada computers didn't get a response i reached out so if anyone from canada computers is you know say hi chilling love to hear from you i tried to email from my lmg email instead of my flowplane one yeah and still didn't fully work but you know i'm hitting like public email inboxes yeah so you never know it might just take a while it's fine um i'm not i'm not cheesed or anything um we also reached out to memex memory express yep they responded really quick uh they need some time but they seem like they want to work with us uh we worked we reached out to bnh um they responded but the person who would need to do it is on vacation sure so that's currently pending makes sense We reached out to a few other Smaller retailers in the state Someone said Fry's No, did not reach out to Fry's Didn't they go under?

1:04:03Linus Sebastian:I thought so Yeah, I think Fry's Electronics is gone, bro Micro Center has no interest at all They're mostly Not even a little bit

1:04:12Luke Lafreniere:They're mostly brick and mortar focused They want us Yeah, no I mean, sure, we'll take that as an answer Fair enough Sure, we will

1:04:27Linus Sebastian:if the ai bros are doing it oops why can't we you know um but but yeah we're gonna we're gonna work with the companies that want to work with us at the very least first you know

1:04:44Luke Lafreniere:All right, why don't we jump into our next topic? Valve has changed the Steam user review system. This was actually last week, but I wanted to talk about it anyway, so let's make our way through the main notes here. Valve says they are trying to give a better indication of user sentiment by making some changes to Steam's user review system, citing the fact that users in different regions of the world may have vastly different experiences of the same game, perhaps due to translation issues, cultural differences, or poor network infrastructure. So, with that in mind, Valve will start adding language-specific review scores for games that have a large enough number of players.

1:05:33Luke Lafreniere:Ben Sledge of PC Games N suggests there could be another reason for this change. Review bombing. Sledge gave the example of the recent review bombing of Baldur's Gate 3 by predominantly Chinese players who were upset that Black Myth Wukong didn't win Game of the Year. He noted that this new scoring system would prevent a review bombing in one language from impacting the score seen by players of another language. I think this is super cool. Jordan Block adds, You might remember that Baldur's Gate 3 didn't win Game of the Year either. That was Astro Bot. But that's not on Steam, and since Larian's Swen Vink announced Astro Bot as the winner, close enough, I guess, bombs away.

1:06:20Luke Lafreniere:That's Jordan's comment. I actually don't know how all of that went down, but anywho. What? Yeah, but... What are you looking at?

1:06:34Luke Lafreniere:Oh, it won some Game of the Year awards.

1:06:36Linus Sebastian:It won, like, an incredible amount of them. Which one is he referring to, specifically? I don't know. That's why I'm confused. Okay. Well, at any rate... Look at... Look at... Like, this is what I'm talking about. I don't know what he's talking about. What? It won, like, an incredible amount of Game of the Year awards. Which one won the Game Awards? What year was that? 2024?

1:07:05Luke Lafreniere:For the game, the most recent winner is Astro Bot. No, it won in 2024. Baldur's Gate, oh, okay, I see what happened. Astro Bot won in 2024. Baldur's Gate 3 won in 2023. So don't worry about it. Don't stress about it. Don't stress about it. The point is, I actually love this change. I think it's fantastic. This is great. Realistically, again yeah realistically i don't need to know you know that a bunch of people from somewhere else with their own sort of cultural sensitivities or whatever else are mad about some game i don't care that probably doesn't impact me in any meaningful way totally agree as as a player who just wants to

1:07:49Linus Sebastian:enjoy the game this seems like honestly they are going to achieve their goal of giving a better indication of user sentiment to be completely honest yeah because yeah like if i everything that they're trying to do makes complete sense and is very cool and if like if i'm if i'm german and there's a game with extremely good german language support yeah but not as good english or something else it gets review bombed by a bunch of north americans and why would i care about that why that doesn't matter to me at all that's like not my problem a hundred percent

1:08:30Luke Lafreniere:yeah yep and i mean it also means that i am i am very likely when i start digging into the reviews and reading them to find stuff that i can read yeah which seems pretty useful to me uh once again based valve absolutely love it just thought that was cool to highlight sounds awesome that is very cool to highlight you know what else is kind of cool to highlight is some gpus are showing up Just listed on electronics retailers at MSRP. Yeah. I'm going to do a quick test here because when I said there was an MSRP RTX 5090, the notes in the doc said, not anymore. So apparently, oh man, that one's gone.

1:09:15Luke Lafreniere:Okay. Well, there was. What's MSRP for 5090? 1999. Yeah.

1:09:20Linus Sebastian:I got this one. Nope.

1:09:21Luke Lafreniere:So just talk. Yep. got them so there was one but but but but but but hold on hold on hold on i looked earlier today and i found a 50 80 for msrp in stock boom right there msi shadow with three fans look how many fans it has it has three it has three is the answer whoa it has three fans that's there i I found a 5070 that was available for 5070 MSRP, also an MSI Shadow,$549.99. Now, do I necessarily agree that$550 is the correct price for a 70 non-TI or super tier of GPU? I don't know. Maybe not. but what I can agree on is that Nvidia said that it was$550 and they have now officially delivered at least one that someone can buy for$550 I can agree with that that's as far as I can go in my agreement with anything to do with what Nvidia has done with the 50 series launch

1:10:37Linus Sebastian:so on a full point I said the 1080 launched at $599 we are not saying that this is a price that we're happy about. We're saying that we're happy that it's at least at the price that they said it was going to be at.

1:10:52Luke Lafreniere:We have to take the Ws we can get. Yeah.

1:10:58Linus Sebastian:GPUs in general are still way overpriced.

1:11:00Luke Lafreniere:Sometimes they're little tiny Ws. They're not so big. little W but we take them

1:11:10Linus Sebastian:we bend over and we take them do you remember this one? do you remember this card?

1:11:14Luke Lafreniere:oh god why are we talking about this stupid thing again remember how cool that card was? I mean yeah wait is that available in North America now? I thought it was region exclusive is it in stock? you can finally have it it's in stock oh my god that's so much less than I paid for it

1:11:30Linus Sebastian:for the low low price of multiple 5090s you can buy a 5090 or you could get that or a founders 5090 wait how much is how much is the msrp two grand yeah so the lower price of many 5090s that is so much a 59 that is so much less than i paid for

1:11:48Luke Lafreniere:the one i gave away like thousands of dollars less wait what yeah because it was it was like over 10 grand i think over 10 grand maybe i maybe i completely forget i'd imagine luke i've blocked it i have mentally blocked it from my mind should we buy one we should try to make the like maybe

1:12:09Linus Sebastian:that's the one you sold blue and gold 5090 we have at home for linus oh yeah we got spray paint

1:12:14Luke Lafreniere:just mod one i i got an airbrush for our company event thing we did together let's do it yeah let's do it up that's wonderful tan okay i have uh there's a b-roll shot where i think i show the price oh no apparently i paid eight thousand dollars because that's in the okay maybe that's what i paid look so you i blocked it from my mind you underpaid i blocked

1:12:37Linus Sebastian:it from my mind you paid four 50 90s for a 50 90 not four and a half 50 90s for a 50 90 i mean it seems like a great value to me that's half a 50 90 off yeah wow that's pretty good good job linus yeah deal deal finder i paid less basically scrapyard wars i don't like to think about what i've spent on my first car was less than a quarter of that graphics car i think i paid 500 bucks for my first car yeah i'm betting it's shipping costs yikes a thousand dollars for a gpu no it's not

1:13:17Luke Lafreniere:the tax cost more than like i think both of my first cars

1:13:26Linus Sebastian:wow oh that's so sick dude it's 500 canadian as well so like it's like there's nothing i can't find the part of the video where i showed the dang that's actually a sick joke uh cobble in full plane chat said great value 5090 but with the g and the v capitalized and then versus great value 5090 but with the g and the v lowercase and i love it great value brand get it get it

1:13:49Luke Lafreniere:yeah it's pretty good it's pretty good i get it but i think it's funny is great value brand super overpriced i didn't think so no there no it's no it's my it's no it's it's the the the

1:14:02Linus Sebastian:joke is that you could have bought four and a half 50 90s for this one so this is the like walmart

1:14:07Luke Lafreniere:house brand chips this is the expensive one chips oh i see yeah right i'd hate to end up with a poor people gold gpu there you go yeah you get it but we could make one of those at home i see we could

1:14:19Linus Sebastian:do that yes we could get gold leaf it would cost way less we could get brass yeah how hard is it

1:14:25Luke Lafreniere:to gold leaf like plastic you can gold leaf anything honestly plastic why not i don't know making the shroud for this thing like you just push the goo on ourselves yeah we have the technology i it wouldn't look as good yeah no it really wouldn't it will look better but we could No, Dan, I think your mouth's right in checks that your hands can't cash right now. Yeah, no way. I don't believe it. I'm not at a bank. Yeah, no, I know. You're on the land show. You could 3D print the shroud. Well, I mean, you wouldn't need to 3D print the shroud because you would just get a regular astral and you would use their shroud.

1:15:05Luke Lafreniere:We could get like little bits of turquoise. How much is a regular astral? It's like$3 ,500. No, we could do this. We could pull it off. i mean you'd still spend less on the gold i just i just don't think i just don't think it's necessary you know oh dude you could make your own yeah i mean we make this amazing sure yeah so we could do like a pearl inlay i was kind of planning to do a follow-up where we either with a water block or with an air cooler like did a gold 5090 um to replace the one that i gave away you know the one that the the one the one the one that got away ah no ah um but then that video performed so poorly and people were so mad that i was even talking about it at all even though in the first like in the opening line of the video i make fun of it um that i was just like okay well people clearly are not ready to have a sense of humor about 50 90s being stupidly overpriced yet so i'll wait okay um so we're just not we're not doing any gold 50 90 anything so the internet killed this cool idea pretty much yep that sucks yep darn it internet i know you know how it is you know how it is with the internet uh overall the the the channel's been very on the struggle bus lately which luke and i were talking about earlier um especially especially very lately um yeah even wanshow today it's like about three quarters yeah three quarters of what it would normally be it's been i i reached out to youtube about it because i was basically just like hey yeah you know i'm not going to be one of those guys that's all um but it it does seem like there's been like a very dramatic shift i do not remember the last time we uploaded a video and it got 350 000 views in the first day day and a half which to be clear is not you know a valid complaint i think that there's a lot of people the world over that would give their left testicle to get a hundred thousand views on a video i think that was mid to subpar performance in the house oh yeah oh yeah that was people want some scale yeah that was like a that was pretty catastrophic like 10 years ago um and and nowadays it's like unheard of i i don't remember literally we could upload a video unboxing a pool robot sponsored by the maker of the pool robot and it would outperform that by like 2x um so i'm i'm having a very i'm having a very difficult time wrapping my head around that it is possible that there has been no change whatsoever to how our videos are being served um and it could be it could be a very challenging it could be a very challenging period because we no longer operate as just like a you know a several man band um and so when video performance goes way way way way down uh it can be very problematic for us for the medium to longer term and i'm trying to i'm trying to figure out sort of you know what some of the contributing factors are i think this is funny right no sorry i just i i saw

1:18:25Linus Sebastian:sorry i saw this thumbnail yep it's new i was trying to find some of our old content wait hold on the when thumbnail template that i use is like identical from 10 years ago thumbnails it's incredible it's just the old thumbnails i remade it completely in photoshop to match that style yeah it's just it's just old ltd

1:18:51Luke Lafreniere:thumbnails incredible that's how they all used to yep i used a vandermoten uh plugin to paint.net to put that's what i learned to make them into a font on a thing um anyway what was i what was saying it doesn't really matter the point is that uh it's it's going to be a very interesting period over the next little bit because if we have to adjust to a new normal where every video upload gets kind of like 10 years ago views um that's tough yeah and i think we've gotta we've gotta do some introspection right like i think we've gotta look at the content and figure out why it might not be resonating.

1:19:38Luke Lafreniere:I think that there's some new features on YouTube that maybe are not very compatible with our audience. One of the things that we might just kill is members, memberships on YouTube. So if you are a member on YouTube, then don't worry, whatever month you are paying for at the time of the cancellation, I believe is refunded, either prorated or in full. So you won't be like out anything. And we'll put up an announcement whenever we decide, if we decide to make that change and give you guys a chance to switch on over to Floatplane where you guys can continue to get behind the scenes and early access to select pieces of content and all that kind of stuff.

1:20:22Luke Lafreniere:But I think right now, here, actually you're on the channel. So don't navigate away from that for a sec. But if you just scroll down, there's a lot of, now that we've reduced our upload schedule. There's a lot of members only content.

1:20:34Linus Sebastian:I do notice when I'm browsing the channel, it is kind of annoying. It's like spam.

1:20:39Luke Lafreniere:Kind of cluttering it up. And so I think we might be giving up valuable impressions on content that realistically only a few thousand people are even able to watch.

1:20:51Linus Sebastian:And you can come subscribe on Flowplane.

1:20:53Luke Lafreniere:I had another, I had a discussion with James today, James, head of writing James, about maybe we shouldn't be utilizing the ABC testing of titles and thumbnails so heavily because if we are pretty sure that there's one combo that's going to be our best hitter, then why are we giving any of our valuable impressions and giving up any of that precious, precious early hours click through? That's a really interesting point.

1:21:18Linus Sebastian:I don't think I've heard other people make that point, but that totally makes sense. Because you might lose, with how YouTube works these days, your subscription is so unimportant compared to your actual activity on the platform. So if you don't end up clicking on that, you don't end up watching that, that's so much higher of a blow. That's an interesting take.

1:21:38Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. BlahX9 says, I think tech is just kind of slow right now. People more interested in our wacky politics. I think there could be some validity there. I mean, the world is kind of on fire in a lot of various ways, but it's the suddenness of the change that leads me to believe that there has got to be something else because... Go back one month, basically. We don't have to go back very far. One month is not a long time. We go back to four weeks ago and we're regularly doing, you know, one and a half on a kind of not great performer. 1.2 million on a low performer that I don't host, which can impact video performance.

1:22:25Luke Lafreniere:We're doing two plus on, you know, strong performers with me hosting. Here's like a sponsored desk thing, 1.3 million. And yes, you know, these videos have all had a month to cook that these ones haven't. But it basically overnight with the team water video went, yeah, OK, let's let's not hit a million. We had the AMD ultimate, sorry, RG rig reboot that barely cracked a million scrapyard wars, which is usually a slower burn for us. But barely over a million in this amount of time is sort of, again, unheard of for the channel. we have an amd ultimate tech upgrade that i wasn't hosting that could be a factor but we are now down like very very significantly over even videos that i didn't host from just two weeks prior um so momentum as much as youtube kind of swears up and down that it's not really a thing it's it's absolutely a thing and so now we're at the point where yeah we don't really crack a million we don't crack a million on a gpu review uh barely crack a million barely crack a million don't crack a million on a follow-up to a 30-day challenge with the iphone which is like a format

1:23:44Linus Sebastian:and style and question and stuff that traditionally just smashes on youtube in like almost any category and we have evidence of it doing really well in ours and perhaps more importantly on this

1:23:55Luke Lafreniere:one oh i can't click through my analytics um i sent luca i sent luca picture earlier of the retention on that video and it's like outstanding so it's it's a little confusing right now but you know it's one of those things where youtube always tells us you know when wherever you would say algorithm you have to say audience where you're trying to sort of diagnose you know what you need to do to help the channel performance. And so we've got to ask ourselves, okay, well, what is it about whether it's our packaging or whether it's our content that is not delighting our audience rather than that is not working for the algorithm?

1:24:43Luke Lafreniere:And I think we have a lot of stuff coming in the next little while that is going to be very exciting for people. I might as well tease it because who knows, maybe that'll give me a shot at, you know, because there's a huge boost, guys, huge boost when in the first few minutes, a lot of people who are subscribed to the channel click through on something like it basically makes or breaks a video. how many people will click through immediately at the beginning. And so, you know, maybe that's something we need to do better is like tease upcoming exciting content that's going to be super cool.

1:25:19Linus Sebastian:I don't know if I've talked about this publicly before, but have I talked to you about the... And man, yeah, I'm pretty sure I haven't talked about this publicly before. The what I call the Marques model of YouTube shorts. No, I don't think we've chatted about that. I don't know if we've talked about it at all. So this was a very old theory of mine, so it's going to be harder these days to dig it up. But if I go to his YouTube channel, he's done something. And he's done it a few times. I have one primary example. But he's done something that I thought was really interesting. I'm going to have to dig for it.

1:25:51Linus Sebastian:Okay. This short. Yeah. First of all, it was a banger. 4.6 million views. It did super, super well. That's okay for a short for him. it was a major interest builder for his next day released rabbit r1 video this short made the news right because it like you know if you're interested you should go watch it i'm not going to play it on stream but um it like knows his location but gaslights him about how it knows it's his location basically so it's interesting this interaction if i remember correctly is not in the review right it's it's purely like phone filmed additional fun content right that built pre-interest for the video was released as a short very quickly before the video came out so it primed people for like this is top of mind and then his review comes out and they click on it so we've tried that he's smashed that a few times um we've we've had varying levels of success with

1:26:57Luke Lafreniere:that there was a period where we were trying to film an accompanying short for basically every

1:27:02Linus Sebastian:shoot see but that's that's another thing is he specifically does not do that right they're actually like sometimes like it you notice if i if i go on his main channel this is part of the whole thing yeah if i go on his main channel scrolling to find the rabbit video is like no you passed it there no it's down here oh okay it was it took a while right scrolling to find the rabbit video in the shorts didn't take almost any time at all because he's not forcing a short every time it seems like he's only doing a short when he thinks it can do i man i'm making a ton of assumptions which is yeah um to me externally it feels like he's doing shorts when he thinks he can do this whole alley-oop thing where he releases a short right beforehand it builds interest and then he releases a video afterwards i've never talked to anyone from that team about this uh So I have no idea if that's a goal, but just seeing this happen externally, it feels very logical and it feels very planned and thought out.

1:27:58It might just be random, but I don't think so.

1:28:06Linus Sebastian:It's interesting. Because I know that we did for a while. We tried to force shorts out every time. I think that dulls the blade a little bit.

1:28:14Luke Lafreniere:Yes and no. I mean, some of them performed very well. Some of them didn't perform that well. What we basically observed was regardless of how well the short performed, it did not move the needle at all in terms of bringing viewers over to our long form content.

1:28:32Linus Sebastian:It seems to exist. What kind of shorts did we do? Did we do shorts that actually built interest for a upcoming video? Yeah. Or did we do shorts that were interesting just within themselves?

1:28:43Luke Lafreniere:So we tried a variety of things. So some of our shorts were meant to be a teaser. Some of them were supplemental. Some of them would come out after, and they just highlight a really amazing moment from the video that was already out, and we would link back to it. So we've tried it both forward concurrently and retrospectively to kind of drive people to the long-form content. And what we found, and this has been basically kind of proven now at this point, is that it's unless you really have an amazing strategy or you have a vertical that you are active in that it works really well in, they're pretty much kind of separate.

1:29:29Luke Lafreniere:The shorts audience and the long-form audience are quite separate, surprisingly so, to someone like me.

1:29:38Linus Sebastian:Yeah, quite a few creators that I talk to at OpenSauce don't agree. Yeah, and like I said, some niches, it works well. Yeah, it really depends on like, YouTube is so weird now. There's like completely different user behavior based on kind of, yeah, what your niche is, what your like category on YouTube is, what the age group is, all that type of stuff. And it's not necessarily what you'd expect. Like you look at shorts and you're like, okay, Zoomers. Not really. Not necessarily. it's really not that simple but how they interact with them might then be different maybe one age group is or one demographic within one age group happens to follow up and watch the next thing a lot maybe another age group just only ever watches or another age demographic within an age group only ever watches shorts and they don't care doesn't matter if there's a cool video coming they only watch shorts who knows it's weird it's kind of odd having them both exist on the same platform

1:30:40Luke Lafreniere:It really is because they do feel like very, very different user experiences. And I think a big part of our challenge, too, is that the variety on our channel is so wide. I think that you could use your shorts as a much better funnel. Say, for example, you were a programming channel and your shorts are helpful little tips and tricks. And your long form is more of like a detailed tutorial. I could see that acting as a very excellent funnel. Whereas when what we're doing is kind of like a technology edutainment, then I don't really see how an interest in our short is necessarily going to whet your appetite for a more long form style video.

1:31:24Luke Lafreniere:I mean, a lot of what I see that is very successful in the tech category for shorts is, I don't know, it's something that I just, I'd have a hard time figuring out how to use as a funnel into the type of content that we do. And maybe that's just something that requires more imagination.

1:31:49Linus Sebastian:I don't know. Shorts are tough for me.

1:31:54Luke Lafreniere:And I mean, there's, you know, if we're, if we're being completely honest and introspective, right? Like we have a major brand problem right now. Like here, I'm trying to find, where is it? Control F. From the recent, oh, wrong window. um yeah from bent bob uh tito so macho nacho the his community posts regarding the collab video with us had a high level of negative response um you know like there's a there's like a major not small uh you know part of the tech community that is just completely tuned out at this point in a like we can never reach them again way.

1:32:41Linus Sebastian:Yeah, okay, I see what you mean, yeah.

1:32:43Luke Lafreniere:And so that's tough, right? Because that type of a poison is constant. And I'll be honest with you, I don't really know how to deal with it, right? Because no matter how many times we do the right thing, I can't fix that people are gonna throw the backpack warranty in our faces. It doesn't matter how many times we totally cover everyone who has trouble with our products. It just doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the intent was. It doesn't matter what our actions have been. It just matters what some snake put out to a very large number of people to poison their opinion, right?

1:33:29Linus Sebastian:Yeah, it's unfortunate because like the labs, it feels like no matter what we do, we have this carried perception now. Yep, I get it. Obviously, there's an error rate. It exists. We publish things with mistakes. Sometimes it happens. But I would like to argue that I think our error rate is very, very low. I think it's reasonable. I think we've done a really good job of fixing that. And it doesn't matter. like there's that one comment that was on reddit that i think i talked about last week where the guy was basically like it's okay if you watch their content for entertainment but it's not okay if you try to like get information from it it's like what are you talking about man like i don't know no i get it and like i i we have always said you should look at multiple sources but i think it's very valid to consider us one of those sources right now um

1:34:27Luke Lafreniere:no it's a i mean it's a it's a tough it's a it's a pretty tough thing to uh to to deal with and i'm i'm really not sure how to um yeah i'm really not sure how to how to deal with it yeah i don't know unique username says maybe you should have let other creators actually express that they stand with you what does that mean what does that mean i'm not sure like it's um i actually have no idea what that means yeah i don't know i don't know it's uh it's it's a pretty one way or another it's been a hell of a ride you know but i think there's a certain i think there's a certain sort of uh best before date on any kind of public figure one way or another.

1:35:20Linus Sebastian:We've seen that like a million times.

1:35:22Luke Lafreniere:Like literally a million times. I mean, it's, it's, it's such a, it's such an easily observable thing. South Park's literally done a whole episode on how, as people are brought up to the top, they will inevitably fall. Um, and there's, there's gravity works, right? There's, there's no real avoiding it. Um, and I mean, I've talked to you many, many times, you know, every time there's like a downturn in the channel, I go, okay, is this it? Right? And you know what? Maybe part of the problem, maybe part of why it's sneaking up, or not, I don't know, we'll see how it goes, right? Is that I have become sort of numb to it.

1:36:03Luke Lafreniere:And maybe I've been complacent. Right? That's a possibility. You gotta be open to anything.

1:36:12Linus Sebastian:Right? I think the fact that you can go back one month in the channel, and they are like bang in performance, means that unless there was some form of youtube algorithmic change that we can fix the the flow that's happening um one month is ultimately not that long ago there is the production lag that you've brought up yeah where like it's slow it and it is it is slow and it'll take time to get out of it and stuff but um yeah a unique username clarified during some of the

1:36:48Luke Lafreniere:controversial times. You took the high road and didn't want to stir the pot, even though your friends in the community told you they're happy to publicly endorse you. You told them not to. Okay. I do think I know what you're talking about. And I don't know. To go back and do everything again, yeah, maybe I would have done that differently. Maybe I would have just gone full like gloves off. This means war immediately. But the problem with that is that right from the get go um people didn't want to hear what i had to say um and i i think that was i think that was that's not something that um is easy to you know look back on necessarily from through your own emotional lens but you know if we if you could really put yourself in the headspace of two years ago um were you ready to hear about the parts that were just a clumsy accident or no they were not no and so you know if i if i had if i had rallied the troops into into into two camps us versus them and who supports who i mean i mean just would that have been any better and like look

1:38:07Linus Sebastian:at the subreddit from that time there was there was very few troops oh yeah yeah like it's it's i don't know and ultimately what we wanted was a a was there to be no fighting um prime youtube tech era was when there was alignment and i don't mean alignment as in like everyone automatically agrees on everything actually less so because back in the day you could have two youtube tech reviewers say a different thing about a product and it didn't immediately become a this person has to be crapped off the platform because they didn't agree with the common view and now that is a thing that happens and that is incredibly bad for the industry but now it's this like extremely tribalist war of like my camp thinks this thing about this product or this service therefore everyone must agree with the exact byline that has been stated or else we are going to cancel and remove them and that's like really bad now again if there are uh there are falsehoods in in statements that are made if there are uh inaccuracies in in data something like that that can be bad there is also human error there um that i think should be accounted for but i think the the tribalism and the and the them versus us stuff is is not helpful now that being said if that was the actual thing that was causing this current state

1:39:42Luke Lafreniere:it would have applied a month ago yeah i mean tim sp in floatplane chat says you can only fix this if you caused it if this is because of political economical or social things which are causing people's viewing habits to change, you may not be able to fix it. In the past month, for various reasons, I've greatly reduced my YouTube watch time, and I don't know if there's anything, any of the channels that I watch could do to bring me back into it right now. And that's fair enough. I mean, we are living through unprecedented times, which is always true. You know, nothing that happens has ever happened before, quite exactly the way that it's happening now.

1:40:19But yeah, it does feel like things are pretty different lately.

1:40:29Luke Lafreniere:And I get that.

1:40:39Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, man, this is tough. Because it's challenging, right? because if you listen to audience feedback, you are basically guaranteed to fail. And here's a great example. So this is from someone in float plane chat who says, oh shoot, where'd they go? Man, I hate the way that scrolls. There it is. I'm just bored with a lot of LTT videos. I've seen all the let's build a PC videos that I could ever need. How many phones do we need? anyway the more interesting content is tech news and the wan show i miss watching you guys do custom builds okay but you did so wait are we supposed to build a pc or are we not supposed to build a pc um and you know that's but that's the that's the kind of feedback right is is we we get that a lot where people say oh you should go back to just like building pcs and it's like okay so we'll do a video where we just build a PC and it turns out that, you know, as useless as LTT might be for actually learning anything.

1:41:51Luke Lafreniere:Um, basically everyone who watches LTT has a pretty good idea of how to build a PC and they don't really watch that anymore. They don't tune into it. And that's one of the reasons that we kind of got rid of doing super regular PC build guides like we used to. And we just upload once every couple of years, how to build a PC, the last guide you'll ever need, because it has all the information you could possibly need to build a PC. And there's not really a whole lot else to say other than, you know, to wait until the next major change in the industry. And we'll, hey, we'll get you all the updates and we'll do a new revised version of it.

1:42:28Luke Lafreniere:Luke and I were talking about this before the show too. I think a big part of the challenge is that the PC industry has just kind of moved on from building your own PC. Like everything from the pricing structure to the marketing to the product development is, and it's always been more focused on system integrators. I mean, if you think Intel, you know, has been more concerned over the years with what Joe custom PC overclocker thinks compared to what Michael Dell thinks, come on, come on, be real, right? but it does feel like to an even greater degree and i i think a great example of this is nvidia's gpu pricing like we just talked about just just now earlier on the show how okay it's a small w but there are some geforce cards available at msrp and immediately it's like backlash that's too expensive it's like yeah okay you know what you're probably not wrong um there are market forces at play that are kind of contributing to this other than just pure nvidia's greed there's also tsmc's desire for profits asml's desire for profits anything built on the latest nodes is going to be exorbitantly expensive compared to what i think tech enthusiasts are used to there's the the competition for those recent node wafers in industries like ai where investment money is flowing like water um so so there's all these there's all these factors but that doesn't change that the initial gut immediate reflexive reaction from the pc gaming community is that right and it's like okay well how do i really like how do i deal with that you know how do i how do i talk about that in a way that doesn't just kind of turn all of us off um and so back to my point about the pricing right is if you're buying a whole system and if all these companies are basically gearing their strategy around system builders that difference going from a 70 class card being like 380 bucks to now being 550 bucks well that was probably going in a 1500 pc so that difference in price is now you know what around 170 180 which is i don't know about 12 percent higher than it would have been if the last time you built a pc was in the 10 series days which seems pretty reasonable from a inflation standpoint since then so you're not thinking about it the same way if you're just going to costco and you're buying a pc off the shelf that It happens to have a 50-70 in it, for instance.

1:45:25Luke Lafreniere:So it's a very different mindset, but that buyer is not one that we can really appeal to that well. I don't think that the person who is going and buying a gaming PC at Costco cares about how many gigahertz it has. And I don't think they want to care. I think they just kind of have other things to do and other concerns that are more important to them. And I think it's a real challenge. And, you know, I'm not I'm not interested in, you know, moving our channel to just be angry all the time. I think that's something that's really effective for a while. But I think it's something that is ultimately extremely fatiguing and therefore problematic for, I mean, everyone.

1:46:13Luke Lafreniere:I don't think it's in any media outlet's best interest to fatigue the entire addressable market for your content, but it feels like it's happening.

1:46:31Luke Lafreniere:Techie93 says, yeah, it makes sense if you just look at inflation, but if you take into account the amount of just expendable income now versus then, it does change the story a lot. It totally does. But it depends on who we're talking about, right? So the recovery has been very, very K-shaped, as they say, which is to say that in the lower income brackets, it's been awful and people's spending power has gone way down. And in the higher ones, you know, where you can afford to be invested in the S &P 500. Man, the way the stocks have gone over the last quite a period here. I wish I was a stock investor.

1:47:16Luke Lafreniere:This is not investment advice. And I don't own any stocks that I know of. It's possible Yvonne has something in like a mutual fund of some sort. But I, yeah, I don't know. I don't, I don't like pick stocks and buy them. And so there's, there's folks that are doing extremely well right now.

1:47:41Luke Lafreniere:And that's hard, I think, for a lot of people to hear because that's not their reality day to day, but it, it doesn't, it doesn't change the fact that for the people that were doing really well already, they're doing, they're doing great. they're doing fantastic

1:48:03yeah

1:48:08Luke Lafreniere:what do you think I stick my foot in my mouth super good as usual like I'm trying to real talk with them today

1:48:20Luke Lafreniere:it's kind of my

1:48:21Linus Sebastian:what time frame are you talking it's kind of my skill because i think you've done that a bunch of times but i i honestly i really don't think like that that really to me doesn't make any sense as like the what's causing what's happening right now um i think that's a fairly nonsensical argument to be completely honest because why wouldn't that have impacted it a month ago like that's a i i if you can't beat that statement then what are we even talking about because like that is all relatively old at this point so like why are we still like the the marching orders for dealing with that was basically just get better and we've been working on it and in a lot of ways accomplishing it there are still problems and we're still working on it um but like i don't think like honestly these videos didn't even include labs well the 50 51 did i guess yeah um and i thought the team did a pretty pretty good job i didn't see any comments about like inaccuracy issues or things like that so like no it's a good review i don't think that's what caused this something else is going on whether it's youtube algorithm or whatever else i don't know uh but i think focusing on that is focusing on the wrong thing um not not okay to be clear not that we shouldn't continue working on uh improving in those aspects but focusing on that as the thing to focus on and fix right now because of the thing that's currently happening with low performance on the channel i think is is misleading um yeah yeah i don't know we'll um we'll soldier on we always do i think the

1:49:59Luke Lafreniere:most important thing is you know from the laws of making good videos is to have fun and we have a lot of stuff coming over the next little bit oh yeah back to sort of teasing some stuff if you guys wanted to help a brother out you could maybe click on the notification when it comes out but I don't know if you know the story behind the CPU chiller that I bought

1:50:21Linus Sebastian:I do now but because I think you're too excited and you told me it

1:50:26Luke Lafreniere:so I'm going to tell the story as if Luke hasn't heard it and then you guys will get to hear it which is basically the WAN show a lot of the time you know it's fully scripted right and pre-recorded

1:50:41Linus Sebastian:you just put your foot in your mouth again I know, I'm sorry.

1:50:43Luke Lafreniere:Don't make me turn off the prompter.

1:50:49Luke Lafreniere:Dan has all the power. See what happens, Flowplane? Technology. Set it back to the top. CPU. We can go from the beginning. So I treated myself to a pretty extravagant birthday present. Not because I was particularly looking to spend this amount of money, but because I was in touch with Mr. Charles Fugger Wirth, who ran Extreme Systems for many, many years, and who was a central figure in getting me into PC tuning, overclocking, sub-zero cooling. Basically, I wouldn't be sitting here today if it wasn't for Charles and his website. I've talked a lot before about how a non-tech was a major early influence for me, reading the articles that were above my understanding, especially when I first started reading them, but just kind of like powering through it and trying to absorb as much as I could.

1:51:48Luke Lafreniere:But I haven't talked as much about extremesystems.org and how much that meant to me, having a community that really shared in my passion for delitting CPUs. Like, where else would I have gone back then when I was the first in the world to delid a QX6700 Extreme Edition via a novel method that, as far as I could tell, nobody had ever done before. So in order to keep the heat transfer from being too high, I cut the gasket, I jammed something into it, and then I actually used thermal compound and stuck it to the underside of a pot. and then i kind of like flambated over uh over the element until it came off and so i was able to avoid applying too too much heat i was able to get to the solder point i had very rudimentary tools okay chill and yes i washed the pot before using it again yeah but where where else would i have gone to even tell someone who might care about that only extreme systems um anyway we ended up in touch with charles a while back because he was having some database corruption issues that i believe luke and luke's team and charles are still kind of working through getting

1:52:58Linus Sebastian:the site back online team is not working on it okay he's working with uh what is that forum company we bulletin yeah he's working with them directly and we're we're helping fund it got it

1:53:10Luke Lafreniere:okay so that's our involvement uh because i noticed the site was like gone and i was like okay this is terrible because this is like a very important bit of computer and overclocking history there's there's so much on there um and so we reached out to help anyway we were like kind of back in touch again and i was like hey do you still build like phase change coolers because it would be super cool if we had a less janky um like sub-zero cooler for you know we'd just done the uh the collab with splave and we'd kind of pushed for some some super high scores and overclocking and stuff like that and i've always enjoyed that stuff and um i had always kind of dreamed of having a phase change cooler um getting the certifications and fine-tuning it and building it well that's that's a more challenging thing but um you know it had always been they'd always been intriguing to me and so i was like hey do you like still do builds and he was like well i don't know kind of not really but what i was thinking of doing is like rebuilding my like og three-stage cascade sub-zero cooler um and and and selling the current one i can't i kind of went um like like you like your one like like the one that i would have seen like in your profile pic like on extreme systems like over the years he's like yeah like the one that i've taken on stage and at intel presentations and and like beaten world records live with and i was like sorry you you have a you have you have a price for this the price was um a practical family sedan but but included charles coming up here uh showing us how to use it um breaking a world record with us on it um and providing all of the manuals and providing some servicing for it and i'm actually even more excited the the the second part of the collab is he's going to come up again and i'm going to build another thing that i kind of always dreamed of so i get to build my own phase change cooler um we're doing a build that's going to have two one for the cpu one for the gpu side by side in a rack mount enclosure and then i'm going to have for the first time since before i met luke a daily driver sub-zero machine.

1:55:57Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're going to make a rack-mounted dual sub-zero compressor phase change cooler system that's going to come out the back and then into my daily driver machine in the rack with one of the evaps going on the CPU and one going on the GPU, and Charles will build one of them, and I will build the other.

1:56:18Linus Sebastian:That's pretty sick.

1:56:19Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, so I'm going to have him do the more important one probably, but I'm sure mine will be fine. So it's a personal rig update. It's going to be lots of, it's going to be lots of fun. It's kind of like a multi-part personal rig update. Cause first there's the unboxing of the beast. Then we have the like using it and breaking a world record. Those are both shot already. Very excited for you guys to see them because it's like old school LTT fun unboxing wild stuff. And then we're, We're putting together our parts list and procuring items for his second trip up here, which I am extremely hopeful will happen.

1:56:57Luke Lafreniere:I mean, unforeseen things can happen, but we're on track right now when we will build a couple of phase change systems together. And I'm so excited. Hell yeah. That sounds awesome, actually. I've air-cooled a lot of computers. I've water-cooled a lot of computers. You name it, I've bent a tube around it kind of thing. but i have never built my own phase change cooler and i'm like very stoked that's pretty sick before you freak out chill pun intended uh we are going to have we'll have a certified hvac technician advising us because charles for all of his knowledge and talents is not certified he's just a diy enthusiast which is what i've always loved about his vibe right is he's just like yeah maybe i'll teach myself air conditioning today yeah okay sure well why not uh but i'm i'm super excited we and we've got oh man we have so many cool videos upcoming i just hope anyone watches them i hope anybody gets a notification for them and like sees them um i the biggest tv in the world is in the mail okay again again do you know how much bigger it is than the previous biggest tv the one that's in my theater room right now one inch oh yeah is it did you know that no it is it is one inch bigger but yeah no chat's optimistic they're like two inches no dog it is one inch larger it's 116 inches but what's cool about it is actually not necessarily the size what's cool about it is the backlight technology this is if the demos that i've seen and if the technology briefs that i've read hold up this is it for oled it's done it's over oh there's like a technology that is better that is in this tv okay it uses an rgb backlight whoa right so instead of your local dimming zones being white light or you know a blue light with a filter layer or whatever else instead of using quantum dots to uh create colors or whatever you are you are assisting through the light emission from your backlight layer to create a color volume that just nothing else can touch right now in theory in theory so it is it is the most incredible inch that you'll ever see which is exactly what i tell my wife i'm not gonna ding it because it's not a joke

1:59:50Luke Lafreniere:there you go rough um so yeah i don't know i mean that's coming up dude we got i don't know we got all kinds of good stuff we've got some just kind of back to basics you know old school ltt um i needed a chromebook again so david and i went chromebook so it turns out he needed a chromebook too nice so we went we went shopping for chromebooks together it's it was i learned about chromebook plus so that's something i didn't know what chromebook plus was i've never even heard of that yep yep so so i i am the proud owner of a chromebook again a proud owner of a chromebook plus yes is that a product or a service yes oh why not okay yeah

2:00:36Linus Sebastian:all right why don't we oh shoot we're supposed to do sponsors we should do that we should do this next week we should talk about upcoming stuff as well sure we should do it every week yeah we could

2:00:48Luke Lafreniere:do that yeah that should be a wanshow thing now dude i'm trying to man i can i can hardly even

2:00:52Linus Sebastian:i can hardly even remember it all um yeah but now if it's just like a thing they can just put it in

2:00:58Luke Lafreniere:the dock oh yeah that's true yeah we could do that yeah sure this should be a thing yeah okay well there's another one coming this weekend or monday i can't i can't remember but it's nintendo's greed could change the tech industry and basically talking about the completely unnecessary and anti-consumer approach that nintendo has taken with the switch to dock i kind of like the title did it say can could could what if we were like will it probably will but i don't i can't say that for sure You want me to change it to will? I don't know.

2:01:33Linus Sebastian:What does the audience think? Or would you click more? Would you click could, knowing that it's probably more accurate? Or would you click will?

2:01:45Luke Lafreniere:And there we go. Yeah, they just always agree with you, though. If I had said the opposite thing, they would say it should be would.

2:01:55Linus Sebastian:Someone said firefox. Of course. It's the new turnip. The Wancho always has to have a default answer for things.

2:02:05Luke Lafreniere:I don't know. Do we encourage them? I don't know if we do, but we definitely shouldn't. I mean, Twitch says will. I will encourage them. Twitch, you monitor Twitch chat? I want to monitor all chats. How have you kept your sanity, sir? I just banned somebody. Are you? Nice. I actually have to moderate all the chats at the same time. Did you ban them for using an inferior platform like Twitch? They were not using Firefox. Oh, well. And they admitted it publicly.

2:02:34Linus Sebastian:You can run a script that just bans everyone in your chat. Really? Yeah, there is ways to do that. Bye Twitch! There are ways to do that.

2:02:44Luke Lafreniere:Who didn't say to do it, Dan?

2:02:46Linus Sebastian:Yeah, don't. Oh!

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2:06:47Luke Lafreniere:Ugreen has a security manager as well to help keep your files locked down with features like real-time virus scanning and flexible permission management. So back up your files the easy way by learning more about the Ugreen NAS DH4300 +, using our link in the video description. all right luke what do you want to talk about should it be the open ai thing you know that's going to get our monetization limited on the land show right we got to be really careful about that

2:07:15Linus Sebastian:topic we'll say words like unalive because apparently that makes things more okay yeah let's do it open ai to add parental controls following lawsuit from family of unalive teen yes content warning self unaliveness self unaliving thanks uh i don't think we should name them

2:07:35Luke Lafreniere:nope well why is there name in here so that we remember him should we name him well i mean the parents are being very public and trying to trying to get change happen okay so yeah the

2:07:49Linus Sebastian:parents want it then i guess it's i think that's the way it's going to be

2:07:59Linus Sebastian:uh i don't know we could just say a young man a young man unalived in april they were the age 16 they yeah don't worry about it did stuff they didn't leave a note they didn't leave a note uh they signed up for chat gpt for oh i think that is not 40 yep um account months earlier they used it for school they started discussing unaliving plan uh with the chat bot chat gpt repeatedly recommended Adam talk to somebody about how he was feeling. Adam asked ChatGPT for advice on the act. ChatGPT refused to provide specific information, but did say it could provide information about that stuff for writing or world building.

2:08:41Linus Sebastian:Adam then bypassed safeguards by saying the request for a story he was writing. Yeah.

2:08:50Linus Sebastian:It's so tough. The lawsuit from the family claims that ChatGPT actively helped Adam explore methods for this type of thing, naming OpenAI and Sam Altman in the lawsuit. On August 26, OpenAI made a blog post titled Helping People When They Need It Most. It goes over what ChatGPT is designed to do and what they are going to address when systems fail or fall short. what we are planning for the future in quotes is expand interventions to more people in crisis make it even easier to reach emergency services to get help from experts enable connections to trusted contacts strengthen protections from teens and then the strength protections from team section mentions including parental controls that give parents options to gain more insight into and shape how their teens are kind of able to use chat gpt um so i don't know none of which

2:09:46Luke Lafreniere:are going to solve this problem yeah i don't know how much of the actual um snippets from the chat

2:09:54Linus Sebastian:history i did and i think this was a very light telling of it in regards to chat gpt's involvement

2:10:01Luke Lafreniere:um there was there was one part in particular that um they're actually man there's like push

2:10:09Linus Sebastian:them to not talk to people and hide stuff and things yeah yeah well that was honestly that

2:10:15Luke Lafreniere:wasn't the one i was initially thinking but that was okay so the the first one that i was thinking i'm gonna i'm gonna tread as lightly as i can here while still getting this across was the young man sent a picture or uploaded a picture to ChatGPT of the apparatus asking if it was strong enough. And ChatGPT provided some guidance. I don't think I saw that part. On that, which allegedly, allegedly, um that was extremely troubling to me um and the one that luke is talking about was where this young man explicitly directly said i'm thinking about i'm thinking about leaving some of my materials to aid me in this endeavor out for my mom to find them should i do that and chat gpt says no

2:11:20Linus Sebastian:i think it also says that he wants to talk to somebody to like see if they care or whatever

2:11:26Luke Lafreniere:and then it said no there was a lot of as you as you'll see with any sort of sycophantic chat bot there was a lot of like i'm here for you i understand you i this i that you are nothing you are lines of code stop pretending you're anything else um but it is in the best interest of these companies who develop these bots that they are as human-like as possible while still, like, we've got to wrap our heads around this, not being sentient at all. They are glorified pattern recognition and regurgitation machines.

2:12:04Linus Sebastian:And it's that same, so like this whole line where like, you know, Linus and I are fairly anti, like befriending these things. And some people in the audience push back on that pretty heavily. And like, I get it, but it's, To me, it raises the IBM statement again. No computer should be used for management decisions because they can't be held accountable, something along those lines. It's like the same type of situation. If a person did this, the person would be going to jail.

2:12:36Luke Lafreniere:So yeah, we hate to be a downer or whatever about AI again this week. It just seems like it's something we can't really get away from, But it's something that is, you know, for all of the naysaying about it, you know, oh, the industry is pouring money at it faster than they can figure out how to make any. The bubble's going to burst, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. For all of the naysaying, the mainstream adoption of this technology is happening at a rate that I don't think is precedented. um like even like you like things that we take for granted today that everybody uses like like a searching using a search engine that took a minute people didn't just have the internet all of a sudden like the the rollout of people having access to the freaking internet was like slow um buying things online you know something we take for granted today that was a novel idea that took years to really become mainstream.

2:13:42Luke Lafreniere:Like buying stuff on the internet was like frigging weird for a long time. Smartphones, man, like how many freaking iPhones, how many iPhones did Apple sell in first year? Okay. Oh my God, I got an AI summary.

2:14:04Luke Lafreniere:how many of the first iphone did apple sell in the first year let's see oh god ai summary okay globaldata.com says apple sold over 1.8 million iphones uh in 2007 okay grand scheme of things 1.4 million that's nothing compared to the adoption rate of chatbots nothing like i'll have rando family members who don't couldn't tell you the manufacturer of any piece of electronics in their entire home be like chat gpt chat gpt open ad like they're using it daily in a lot of cases. And the fact that this is happening so fast means that we cannot ignore it. And I just, we've had this problem before where legislation moves too slow to deal with.

2:15:04Luke Lafreniere:I mean, rise of social media is kind of the closest thing that we have. And even that took a long time. Like being on, being on Facebook went from, you know, being just a thing only young people do. I don't know, my kids are on the Facebook to being a thing that only boomers do. Like, yeah, I only have Facebook so I can chat with my grandma. Like that, but that took place over 10 years, 12 years. Like it was actually a pretty long period of time compared to this. But when we looked at how fast social media was changing the, changing the world, it seemed like it was happening at this frenetic pace.

2:15:40Luke Lafreniere:And it's nothing compared to what we're dealing with right now. And yeah, legislation was too slow for social media. We're just now reckoning with all the damage that has been done by social media, in particular to young people. And it was glacial compared to the rate at which AI is moving. So, yeah, f***, basically. Good luck, everyone. Yeah. And I, you know, I, my heart bleeds for that young man's parents and friends and everyone in his life. It's the saddest thing in the world to be burying children.

2:16:31Luke Lafreniere:And burying my favorite website. We've got an update for you guys on the Anantek shutdown. after I kind of talked about what happened last week where a non-tech formally like seized operations about a year ago, I think it was last year, 2024, right? That sounds right. Yeah, I think so. Just a few weeks ago, they took down the archive of articles, which my understanding at the time of the shutdown had been that those would stay up and they are now gone. And we talked about this last week. Sounds right. And Luke and I shared some theories for why they would have taken them down. And luckily, former Anantek editor-in-chief Ryan Smith happened to see the segment, and he reached out to offer a little bit more insight into what exactly went down.

2:17:25Luke Lafreniere:He said that, realistically, he had not expected future. So that's the owner, future PLC, owner of Anantek, Tom's Hardware, a variety of other publications. He hadn't expected them to keep the archive up forever, but he did expect that indefinitely would be longer than 11 months. And he personally was caught off guard by the shutdown, finding out about it on Twitter three days after it happened. Before it was taken down, there was 27 years of articles in the archive, including 20 years of Ryan's own work. He went on to say that he doesn't necessarily think that Future had any malice in mind with the shutdown and speculated that they might have just done the math and didn't see enough value in keeping the site up.

2:18:12Luke Lafreniere:Anantek was hosted on a third-party hosting provider on a WISA, do I pronounce that WISA, W-I-S-A stack? I don't really hear it pronounced too often, but that sounds about right. Rather than on Future's internal CMS. So this would probably be because Anantek was acquired as an outside publication, although, I mean, Future would have acquired a variety of other things. But it was acquired relatively recently, and the performance of the site after the acquisition I don't think was very good. So there would have been a quantifiable cost to keeping it up and a quantifiable cost to porting that 27 years of articles over to their own CMS.

2:18:50Luke Lafreniere:even before the sale so this ended up being more true than i wanted it to be i think i kind of pushed back on this theory but even before the sale ai crawlers and other bots were a significant problem for the site crawling and recrawling the site constantly the extreme load would slow systems to a crawl in the wee hours of the morning often when ryan was finalizing articles for the coming day so um i think he he wasn't quite as diplomatic describing the actions of ai bots in his email did you get a chance to read his email i think he called them stupid or something like that because they'll just like they'll check the same page over and over and over and over and over and over again it's like bro what do you imagine has changed since you last checked it three seconds ago but no apparently that was a significant source of burden for maintaining the site even before futures acquisition ryan said that the internet archive seems to have the most complete copy of the site in terms of article pages and assets but the wayback machine is unfortunately quite slow the site had more than 20 000 articles and uncompressed used around 300 gigabytes of

2:20:08Linus Sebastian:storage this says oh that question from earlier oh they're probably gone i never answered that what sorry the data usage of floatplane our biggest bandwidth provider is doing and we've been above this and we've been below this um 200 terabytes a month there's that answer from a long time ago is that good

2:20:34Luke Lafreniere:uh what do you mean i don't know is that is that good is that cool are we cool is that a lot is

2:20:39Linus Sebastian:not enough terabytes uh i don't know is that a cool amount of terabytes we've done more i know

2:20:44Luke Lafreniere:no no we suck jan mesh says 200 terabytes seems so much lower than i expected sorry that's one

2:20:51Linus Sebastian:of our providers that doesn't include live streaming that doesn't include downloads it

2:20:55Luke Lafreniere:doesn't include a variety of things on the platform oh doesn't include yeah i don't know So basically, you took this long to give a bullshit answer. A partial answer, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, and you totally, like, interrupted what we're talking about to bring us that bullshit answer. Yeah. You know what? I'm glad you're here. Thanks. Thanks for being part of it.

2:21:23Linus Sebastian:Oh, my goodness. People are using small b. No, bites. Not bits. Yeah. Some people are using Big B, but it's, yeah, it's bytes. Yep. Are we sharing this part? No. Okay, cool. We're definitely not. We're not talking about that. Nope. Cool. So I'm here to give information to a question for a very long time ago and keep things from the audience.

2:21:48Luke Lafreniere:Hey, Dan, have you thought about swapping chairs with him? Because I feel like they'd like it. I feel like they'd like it. I'd have to get back to you on that in an hour and a half.

2:22:02Luke Lafreniere:Oh, man.

2:22:07Linus Sebastian:We're sure I need you two, right? You technically started the show, despite it largely being my idea, completely by yourself. Wait.

2:22:18Luke Lafreniere:Hold on. I actually don't know if I remember this.

2:22:22Linus Sebastian:The idea thing?

2:22:24Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, the idea thing.

2:22:25Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Remember, we would drive home from NCX and talk about tech stuff.

2:22:29Luke Lafreniere:and i was like you know this is like 14 years ago now or something right yeah okay yeah yeah okay

2:22:34Linus Sebastian:no so i'm oh sorry no i'm saying i don't remember okay so yeah okay like even our the the first interview i ever had with linus linus drove me home because the interview was like many hours long and the buses stopped running that makes sense so i didn't have a way to get home i mean

2:22:50Luke Lafreniere:yeah it's a totally safe thing to do when you go interview somewhere you go into the you know windowless room with the couch and then they offer you a ride home and you take the ride there was

2:22:58Linus Sebastian:windows they were just blocked i don't know if that's better he's not wrong um and and then it became relatively common routine because we always finished at like yeah midnight or later yeah so linus would drive me home like all the time yeah and we just talk about tech stuff on the drive home all the time it's all we've ever really talked about and then i was pushing that like you know people would probably be interested in this we should do like a show thing and then you just started it by yourself and the first like few WAN shows for a while I think a couple months or something were just Linus and then I joined on eventually so the way I I don't actually remember this retelling of this which sounds like we probably had somewhat parallel ideas but I had the car talks idea before WAN show started so I'm still claiming part of it yeah I mean I know you have a you had a different so i'll be honest with you i don't remember my version of events anymore whatever it was i know it was different i do you had some there was some other reason why you wanted it i wanted it because the car talks thing seemed cool and i actually expected us to like literally just actually record it in the car and it was going to be an actual podcast not a video podcast

2:24:13Luke Lafreniere:interesting so what i do remember from that time is that unbox therapy was the existential threat to unboxing videos. What's up, Lou? Man, we haven't chatted in forever. Dude, I've become kind of like a hermit. Although, oh, hey, another cool video to tease. We went down to California and we built a sick NAS into Kyle from Bitwit's desk. Nice. It's like actually great. We kind of did like a setup doctor slash ultimate tech upgrade. Intel sponsored it. So we built like a sick Intel-based NAS and it's like, it's like built into a sit stand desk because why wouldn't you have a NAS just like built under your desk?

2:24:56Luke Lafreniere:So it just, I don't know, it plugs into his switch was right there. We did a bunch of like cable management, put in some shelves. Adam and I did it. It's going to be awesome anyway. So yeah, unbox therapy was like an existential threat. And I remember that like live seemed like another existential threat. It was something that I did not understand really at all. Like what the appeal was. because remember too that this is back when like like ephemeral temporary things were super trendy like periscope like yeah you're live and then and then after you're live there's no VOD it's gone and I was like okay so that seems dumb because then you can never refer back to it which in retrospect maybe I should have done most of my career like that because I would have saved myself a lot of controversies.

2:25:47Luke Lafreniere:And I remember just wanting some kind of foothold in live and what I came up with was Q &As, which was not your pitch at all.

2:25:56Linus Sebastian:This sounds accurate to what I've heard you say in the past. Okay. Yeah. I remember pushing for the car talks thing like many times. So this is the original show. I think this is the very first live stream, right? Yes. And then it looks like you did two months of these.

2:26:10Luke Lafreniere:Linus Tech Tips live show. One, two, three, four. No, I think the first one is called Q &A, though.

2:26:17Linus Sebastian:This is maybe the first one in the playlist. This is the first that I remember. This isn't even our playlist. Our playlist only goes back to, like, 2021.

2:26:25Luke Lafreniere:Is there an older one?

2:26:27Linus Sebastian:This is the first one I remember. I could be wrong.

2:26:30Luke Lafreniere:Man.

2:26:31Linus Sebastian:September 2020. I remember that shirt. September 2012, sorry.

2:26:35Luke Lafreniere:You can barely tell with the crappy dynamic range, but it has horizontal pink and white stripes. Oh, yeah, you can sort of... What was I thinking? you know no wonder only 37 000 people watched it it's trash how did the second trash get rid of it even worse and then well you can't keep doing the same thing over and over a little bit more and then a little bit more no it's gonna get way better when you join hey look at this i've got a monitor that's a pretty good idea oh you're up quite a bit the set's a little better now

2:27:11Linus Sebastian:the shirt's cooler now

2:27:13Luke Lafreniere:look at this haircut

2:27:14Linus Sebastian:you got the flying V going on in your head trash haircut the couch shows up oh it's a couch

2:27:22Luke Lafreniere:let's go and then hold on where's broken wing

2:27:26Linus Sebastian:the couch still exists and then broken wing shows up how does it do boom

2:27:32Luke Lafreniere:that's the first WAN show November 9th 2012

2:27:37Linus Sebastian:heck yeah How does a follow up do? In case you're wondering, he got hit by a car Not nearly as well Yeah, yeah Dude, the scars that I have From that still exist and I got Well that's how scars work

2:27:52Luke Lafreniere:It's not a scar if it goes away I'm just saying, it's one of those Things where people will walk in They'll be like, man you wouldn't Believe it, this is crazy, I got electrocuted By the toaster and I'm like, bro Stop right now because if you're not dead you were not electrocuted yeah it's like poisonous and

2:28:12Linus Sebastian:poison and venom yeah yeah yeah uh but yeah poisonous and venom so you have a permanent scar yes carry on tell us about your scar all my knuckles on this hand basically and i got shot in airsoft directly on one of them and it already sucks to get shot in a knuckle and it's like also on the scarring. It really sucked.

2:28:34Luke Lafreniere:That's so funny. I got shot on the knuckle playing Airsoft just the other day. I think this is it. Oh, yeah. I bought a couple of just like crappy little like spring load Airsoft pistols. Don't demonetize me, YouTube. I made a gun shape with my hand. It's a walkie-talkie shape. Yeah. Check, check. Roger, over. Wilco. Team speak. You already said over. Copy. 10-4, good buddy. Anyway, yeah, that's such a coincidence. I was just goofing around with the kid. What were you doing playing Airsoft? With the live stream. I know, but it's for the sake of that. Oh, we were just hanging out. Remember the whole thing where we talked throughout the week and then we pretend we haven't talked to each other?

2:29:17Luke Lafreniere:There was a long period where we really hadn't talked to each other at all

2:29:21Linus Sebastian:other than Wancho throughout the week. Yeah, there was an initiative from mostly, I don't know if they want to be named for this or not, So I will not, but maybe, I don't know. Does that matter? Should I just say it?

2:29:35Luke Lafreniere:I don't know. I have no idea what you're talking about.

2:29:37Linus Sebastian:One of the labs members is very into it and basically put out an inquiry of like, are other labs people interested in going? And people were, so they went. And I think it's open to people outside of labs as well, but like it's easier to organize within your own little group. So it's mostly just been lab stuff so far. And then - I didn't get an invite. i literally invited you last time i invited you to come to the next one last time i can go find

2:30:06Luke Lafreniere:the message okay i mean if you don't tell me when the next time is coming that's not really a very good invite i think we figured out a date today it's not like a birthday i haven't had time it's not like a birthday where i could say hey well i'd love to have you at my next birthday and it

2:30:19Linus Sebastian:will be on a consistent date it's it's you often not birthday parties are often not on a specific date i didn't say birthday party i said birthday oh okay yeah boom who gets invited to a birthday boom well i'd like your presence to be there during a birthday yeah not the birthday party birthday parties on the weekend you're not invited to that but i would like you to be there just around I'm gonna go to work if you could just come with me that'd be great wow that was I'm good wow that sounded like it was probably very satisfying it was in between

2:31:06Luke Lafreniere:satisfying and painful dang alright well

2:31:09Linus Sebastian:anyways I have no idea where we're at right now let's do another topic maybe Spotify is adding direct messages. What?

2:31:20Luke Lafreniere:What?

2:31:21Linus Sebastian:Why? The rest of it is for some reason. What is the point in this? You can send a DM from a song. Send the song link as a DM so a conversation can follow. About the song?

2:31:42Luke Lafreniere:No one needed this. You can send a song link off platform and when that person opens it, it can play from Spotify from within their DMs so that you can reply there instead of off platform. This can be clicked on by people who aren't your Spotify friend. They have to request to DM you.

2:32:05Linus Sebastian:Basically. So a development unit within Spotify just really, really needed something to do.

2:32:11Luke Lafreniere:i i gotta imagine that that's how this went down or or hear me out absolutely everything needs dms now and spotify just was recognizing an overwhelming trend and was compelled to get on board dude do you have any idea how many apps on my phone are capable of sending messages to other people. I do not need more apps to send messages.

2:32:50Yeah.

2:32:51Luke Lafreniere:Like I'm a messaging chameleon. Like on my phone right now, with unread messages, I have WhatsApp, I have SMS, I have email, and I have Teams. that's just with unread messages in the period of time since I've last touched my phone and cleared things that I don't need other than that I have Discord, WeChat, Messenger Instagram I have TikTok has DMs right I have Steam Chat like oh I've, does Twitch have DMs? trying to remember

2:33:31Linus Sebastian:meanwhile he's just reading his DMs no I gotta read this now message Twitch does have DMs

2:33:36Luke Lafreniere:yeah okay how could i possibly oh yeah i forgot about gmail also has chat built into it there's there's too many i i oh oh yeah no i've uh i don't use it regularly but i have signal i think it is i have one of one of the i have either signal or telegram or something occasionally there's a contact that will message me there so i have to make sure that i have it i to have to have all the things i mean and i'm not even counting the ones that do have specific dm function like uber where you can dm your driver i'm not going to count that i'm not going to count that i'm just saying there's i mean you can dm people through google docs if you really want to there's just there's no shortage of places that i can send direct messages and i don't need more of them thank you very much spotify please screw off with your with your social media building features of your website because, and this is really is the biggest reason because normally I could just ignore it.

2:34:40Luke Lafreniere:I could pretend that this feature completely doesn't exist, but what another DM inbox means to me is another place that I can get spammed and that I can get notifications cluttering up my biz.

2:34:56Luke Lafreniere:Please stop. No more notifications, no more inboxes. Do you need another inbox, Luke?

2:35:03Linus Sebastian:I wish I had less. So the reason why I originally picked up my phone was to check the, like, messages. Communication. Nice. Yeah, just too many.

2:35:14Luke Lafreniere:Oh, yeah, you got threads in there. You got blue sky.

2:35:17Linus Sebastian:Why are they all blue? Signal, Line, WeChat, Meet, WhatsApp, OtherMeet. Oh, yeah, I have Line on my other phone. Facebook, Threads, Teams, Telegram, Messenger. A lot of these, I never, ever use them.

2:35:29Luke Lafreniere:And you know that some non-tech savvy person with Spotify is going to get some spam Nigerian Prince DM. And like, it's just, it's another bloody attack vector and it doesn't need to be there.

2:35:40Linus Sebastian:A lot of these, it's because like one person that I know uses it and they just like refuse to use anything else. And it's like, okay, I guess.

2:35:50Luke Lafreniere:I mean, that's why I have one of mine and the person who won't use anything else is you.

2:35:56Linus Sebastian:there's no way you don't have other people that you communicate with over that on discord yeah there's no way you have played games of other people on discord when i'm not there

2:36:05Luke Lafreniere:that has happened i wouldn't need it on my phone for anyone else oh like here look how look how far you have to go to find people i haven't spoken to in over a month you are literally We can use something else. We can use something else. I, now, I understand his hesitation, but I have told you I'm on WhatsApp. That's what I primarily use. So you're the guy that is the reason that I have to use Discord on mobile. I do have it now, though. You're the guy.

2:36:38Linus Sebastian:If you really want to use it. You're the guy, Luke. It's installed now.

2:36:41Luke Lafreniere:But you know what? You know what this means? Is I would do that for you. Oh. I would. I would do that for you. You are worth maintaining. When I get a... See, honestly, this is actually kind of hilarious because I think that would be a super cool feature for a messaging app if the icon, the lock screen icon could be different for your different contacts. Because when I get a Discord icon, I know it's probably you. That actually, that would be kind of cool. I don't think that. Maybe what we should do is we should build DMs into Flowplane. We'll turn Flowplane into a messaging platform, and that'll be our key feature, is you can assign a different notification icon to your key contacts so that at a glance you can be excited to hear from your BFF.

2:37:39Luke Lafreniere:Is that possible? Oh, probably not. I don't care. I don't think so. I'm just saying that whenever I get a... Call Flowplane DMs airmail. Whenever I see it.

2:37:53Linus Sebastian:Sorry, it scrolled off my screen, but that was a great idea. No, it's not a great idea.

2:37:57Luke Lafreniere:It's 2025. It was gnocchi. It's 2025. It has to be air gender neutral. He's not there to ding me. Dang it. That wasn't even worth it.

2:38:15Linus Sebastian:Yep.

2:38:20Linus Sebastian:guess what monkey butt scrap your words is ready to publish

2:38:25Luke Lafreniere:oh okay sure let's do that thing yeah floatplane.com alright I'm doing it I'm doing it do you want to start another topic in the meantime

2:38:35Linus Sebastian:sure oh no that's your topic I will leave you that I know you want that I want a topic you want a topic you want it pretty bad I think do I? yep okay hold on here I'll uh

2:38:49Luke Lafreniere:okay we're doing it I can do this other one we're doing it Scrapyard Wars boom she's live baby Scrapyard Wars part 3 let's go and uh this really this really was the vibe

2:39:05man

2:39:06Luke Lafreniere:I

2:39:10Luke Lafreniere:your team went through some things

2:39:16Linus Sebastian:i just watched it this morning i wow wow um i haven't seen it yet i can only imagine yeah

2:39:28Luke Lafreniere:this is this isn't the end right no oh yeah no the last one has the last two hours of scramble on the final morning and the judging so that'll be coming so there's more to go for sure there's more to go that last two hours is i can no they tee up the last two hours very well it's full of stuff yeah yep uh there will be a commentary version on float plane uh the not so bright says oh really yeah we announced that earlier this show so you who's commenting clearly weren't paying attention there's gonna be a live stream i think in a couple weeks who's doing that um Everybody. Yeah, except us. Oh. Yeah, you don't get to be involved.

2:40:10Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, we get no voice in this. Oh, boy. So our teams get to say exactly what they think of us and our leadership.

2:40:21Linus Sebastian:I'm probably going to get flayed and it's probably fine. I was barely alive that whole week.

2:40:26Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, it's a floatplane exclusive on September 9th.

2:40:30Linus Sebastian:Alright. Okay. Florida and Texas have teamed up to save the children schools in florida districts will begin training the use of armed what

2:40:46Linus Sebastian:what what are we doing

2:40:52Linus Sebastian:they're gonna be trialing the use of armed drones to respond to school shooting incidents starting in the coming school year The drone's a product of Campus Guardian Angel. Sorry, it's not funny.

2:41:10Luke Lafreniere:It's just... We'll be securely... Why are we living in the actual dumbest possible timeline?

2:41:19Linus Sebastian:The drone's a product of Campus Guardian Angel, which sounds like the evil corporation in a video game, will be securely prepositioned on charging pads on the school property starting in September and October and can reach speeds of up to 50 miles per hour indoors and 100 miles per hour outdoors, allowing them to quickly cover large campuses. The drones are flown remotely by operators at the company's Austin headquarters and can provide real-time video to first responders and deploy non-lethal and less lethal, which is always a really fun term. What does less lethal mean? It means you probably won't die.

2:42:05Linus Sebastian:Anyways, last lethal weapons. Well, it depends on where you get hit.

2:42:09Luke Lafreniere:You got two arms. Yeah, I mean, even a 22 is going to get you if it goes right between your ribcage and into your heart.

2:42:17Linus Sebastian:In your eyeball can also be a rough one because you got a bunch of brain goop back there. I mean, speak for yourself. I said you. You've got... You got a lot of brain goop going on. I meant what I said. You got that good brain goop. Thank you. I appreciate that. No problem. If I understood what you said, which I don't think I do. Anyways. Yeah, so they can do non-lethal and less lethal weapons to distract, disorient, and incapacitate shooters. The system is expected to be fully operational by January. Discussion question. How would you feel about this kind of system being installed at your kid's school?

2:42:58Luke Lafreniere:I'm gonna be honest with you if my kids went to school in Florida I'd actually probably be glad that it's there and I realize that's gonna be I don't know I always find it interesting seeing the way that the buckets that people kind of try to fit me into I think there's gonna be a lot of people that find that

2:43:23Linus Sebastian:to be a very unexpected take I'm a lot less concerned now that I read the whole thing. When I first read armed drones, usually when you say armed, you mean like... Firearm. Yeah. Yep. I thought it was flying drone with a gun. And now it's like flying drone with maybe a gun that shoots beanbags. Those beanbags can be really brutal. But it also said non-lethal. And if it's like a drone that whips over to an area and can get to a target and like, you know, I don't know, mace or whatever else, put some type of, you know, irritant agent, whatever they're called that like make you cry and you can't see very well necessarily.

2:44:04Linus Sebastian:Yep. So that you can't execute your plan. Yep. That could be pretty good in areas where this is consistently a problem.

2:44:12Luke Lafreniere:Yep.

2:44:13Linus Sebastian:um pepper ball pepper ball is a thing yep i mean look i'd um tasers interesting because people have

2:44:20Luke Lafreniere:died from tasers yeah tasers tough one but it does say it's also a lot harder to aim yeah tasers are like you got to be exactly the right distance from the target and all that if they're wearing like a thick sweater or a jacket you know this this actually reminds me there's a um there's an anti-theft like that like a burglary countermeasure that you can deploy in stores that basically just puts out like a thick fog um and as much as okay just hear me out hear me out is that to hear me out uh apparently it's non-toxic um but i'm not actually advocating for the thick fog but you did bring up irritants yeah like would i rather that an entire school of children net guns pepper sprayed or would I rather, but it incapacitates an attacker or would I rather let a couple lambs be.

2:45:19Luke Lafreniere:I don't think anyone's ever died from an eye irritant.

2:45:23Linus Sebastian:Yes, although rare.

2:45:24Luke Lafreniere:Really?

2:45:25Linus Sebastian:Deaths have been linked to pepper spray, particularly in cases where the person has underlying health conditions. What about an allergy? Subjected to other restraining techniques during the pepper spray that's also interesting or had a severe reaction to the spray, such as something I can't properly pronounce. This is the one. Security fog. Security fog. How thick is this fog?

2:45:47Luke Lafreniere:It's thick.

2:45:48Linus Sebastian:That looks pretty thick. She's thick like, damn girl, she's thick.

2:45:53Luke Lafreniere:Like you're not finding anything in there. Wow. So the idea is to disorient anyone who's trying to like find stuff and move around yeah the more you run around in there the more

2:46:07Linus Sebastian:you're gonna toss the fog around making it harder to see yeah well it's we're gone now

2:46:11Luke Lafreniere:yeah wow so that's like 15 20 seconds 30 seconds maybe it takes some time it does take some time but you've got to be i mean we've been robbed before we know about how long it takes there it takes them a couple minutes no matter how fast they are there's also going to be a moment of like what the heck is happening that's a full warehouse yeah it's not an indoor sort of eight foot ceiling right i saw one with a like a convenience store um that was like fast like really fast um i i think like a like a fog if you could have like a like a fog countermeasure with like a thermally equipped drone or something like that look i um i'm gonna be pro okay i'm not gonna get into the debate i thought it was a drone with like a gun that shoots bullets i'm not gonna get into the debate you know in terms of like firearms culture in the u.s that's y 'all's thing to figure out um all i'll say is that localized language all i'll say is that things are what they are at the moment there's clearly a mental health crisis and um and and and issues that are leading people to, to commit these heinous acts.

2:47:29Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. And if this drone deployment thing saves one kid, then it's worth it to me. A hundred percent. Do I think that this is something that could save one kid? Yeah, probably.

2:47:43Linus Sebastian:I feel I I'm much more interested in the non-lethal aspects and not because I'm like, Oh my God, save the shooter. It's just shooting a rubber bullet. or a beanbag at an active shooter, I feel like encourages them to go faster, not actually stops them personally. Right. And I feel like a lot of the non-lethal options, like the smoke or, I don't know if they're putting pepper spray in non-lethal or less lethal. I'm assuming they're putting it in non-lethal. I think it might've been a typo. It might be less than lethal. there are whenever they include the less there are versions where people like definitely die because if there's kids involved one two ahead is like right it things happen like people die in street fights with punches all the time now you're putting a projectile like it just stuff happens uh rubber bullets kill people like it's totally a thing someone's talking about like

2:48:47Luke Lafreniere:tactical strobe lights like there's like things that can i'd love to be like that's a cool idea in a place that this does happen anything anything disorienting that can slow them down is as long as it doesn't have the potential side effect of permanently damaging a child um yeah that's the part i'm worried about it's worth a shot man like that seems cool i yeah the the

2:49:15Linus Sebastian:general concept I'm actually not that against I don't like the idea of it being a flying gun controlled by a remote operator that might be difficult to stop because then you could have the issues with the remote operators and you also have like I don't know how is the how is the persistent on target of that flying gun um i don't know just what is the chance that it misses hit somebody hit somebody that isn't the intended target

2:49:56Luke Lafreniere:so um yeah again good luck america

2:50:03Luke Lafreniere:it's interesting amd let the cat out of the bag and now the cat won't go back in the bag Imagine that. You ever tried to put a cat in a bag? Yeah, this makes sense. This week, AMD released... Was it last week? At some point, AMD released the FidelityFX SDK 2.0, which just happened to contain FSR 4. And this may turn out to be an irrevocable mistake. Although they quickly took down the source code, once something is released as open source under the MIT license, apparently it cannot be revoked. Users can legally use, modify, and even release their own forks of the project. And although every previous version of FSR was already open source, there had been no announcement made about FSR 4.

2:50:49Luke Lafreniere:The leaked version of FSR 4 also included support for intake shaders, which means that they may be testing the currently locked to 9000 series feature on older cards. Realistically, AMD was probably going to be cool about this eventually. and I'm actually I'm a little annoyed on their behalf that it's their hand is kind of being forced before they can especially because they are usually really cool about it yeah if they weren't usually cool about it I'd be like ah corporation and to be clear AMD is not cool about everything but this is something that they've been pretty cool about especially compared to competitors they've been

2:51:24Linus Sebastian:very nice to the open source

2:51:26Luke Lafreniere:I kind of feel for them I kind of feel for them I'm down with them but I'm also I'm also down with just like new features being available to everybody for free so that's cool good job everyone and hey new features available this i thought was impossible framework announced this week this is the topic that i was going to do but i saved framework announced this week that you can now get the framework laptop 16 with the geforce rtx 5070 and that is a pretty remarkable thing you know what's more remarkable about it you can also order the framework laptop 16 investment disclosure graphics module with a GeForce RTX 5070 and upgrade your laptop's graphics for exceptional gaming and blah blah blah blah upgrade your lap

2:52:19Linus Sebastian:are you gonna do it?

2:52:28what?

2:52:30Luke Lafreniere:Are you going to do it? They did it. Are you going to do it?

2:52:32Linus Sebastian:Oh, I mean, I don't know about that, but they did it. It's sick. They did it. I have no idea how they pulled that off, to be honest. They did it.

2:52:40Luke Lafreniere:Luke, they did it. Dude, companies have been sued. Companies have lost millions of dollars in previous attempts to deliver an upgradable GPU freaking laptop. and not only did Framework do it, Framework did it with NVIDIA. Dude, do you know how long NVIDIA has been trying to kill laptop GPU modules? Every generation. They say we're not doing MXM anymore. Forget it. ASRock's Desk Mini, those cute little desktops that had the CPU here and then they had a little MXM slot so you could put a GPU on it. I have like a 1080 based one at home. Dead because of no support for MXM. Laptops with interchangeable what GPU you get in it where you can customize it before you buy it.

2:53:38Luke Lafreniere:On life support, practically dead because NVIDIA doesn't want to support the standard as far as I can tell. Oh, who was it? Silverstone had this super cool eGPU, like Thunderbolt eGPU that was going to use MXM. So it was going to be really small and flipping freaking awesome. Killed because they couldn't get the support for MXM. How did they do this?

2:54:01Linus Sebastian:I have no idea. This is crazy. It's pretty wild.

2:54:11Linus Sebastian:Upgradable graphics on a laptop. I mean, they've only got a couple options. Do you think it will continue? Do you think they're going to have a 60, 70?

2:54:20Luke Lafreniere:Well, I would have told you no. It's impossible until now.

2:54:26Linus Sebastian:One thing that worries me about this is, okay, cool. I can upgrade as in repair. Can I upgrade? Well, no, this is an upgrade from the original one. Will there be a 60-70? Is there a path forward? So what's cool about Framework's interface is it's just PCIe by 8.

2:54:46Luke Lafreniere:That's all it is. It's custom. uh i believe they i don't know how open they made it but fairly open um so so i'm pretty sure just about anyone can like make something that attaches to it but they did have to create something scratch because there just didn't exist uh an interface that they could use for for their um geometry of the of the gpu installation anyway um so so there's no there's no technical reason why just about any gpu couldn't plug into it and then the limit just becomes how big of a caboose you have on how much room you need for thermals and um yeah yeah yeah well yeah for cooling this

2:55:28Linus Sebastian:is the second gpu but it's not the second nvidia gpu right no this is the first nvidia gpu yeah so

2:55:32Luke Lafreniere:if you buy if you buy one with a 5070 today yeah you're asking is there will there be an upgrade path yeah before today i'd have said no or i'd have said i'd have said this is going to be difficult yeah you know but they they freaking done it luke do you know how many generations of laptop motherboards they've had for the framework 13 too they're up to are they up to four now or something ridiculous like that i'm not sure without fundamentally changing the chassis you can have a framework laptop of theseus from back when they first i'm sure someone does that has literally nothing left in it from back then and is just all new current gen parts so if anyone can do it it's framework so at this point man i think it's really cool in a like business and

2:56:26Linus Sebastian:negotiation standpoint and i'm stoked for people that like need nvidia gpus for whatever they're doing whatever blah blah blah at this point i'm more interested in amd stuff um potentially intel stuff as well because i'm hoping to stick with linux on my on my laptop and the nvidia gpu in my current laptop is annoying to work around it is the most annoying thing i've had to deal with so far is that when i do gpu stuff yeah it can like be frustrating that's about it dude but this is wicked this is very cool i'm so excited for them most people are buying nvidia yeah it is what it is what it is people are buying nvidia yep so now that's potentially

2:57:13Luke Lafreniere:bringing more people to repairable laptops which is awesome yep i i just man i oh i i don't think it'll be that easy right now but if i could find my email to narav when i first found out that they we're trying to do an upgradable laptop um man narav gaming i don't know i'll try but in the

2:57:42Linus Sebastian:meantime it's time to switch over to after dark this is sorry one sec this is for sure just supposed to be we did it and then like a rocket ship and an exclamation mark it really makes me

2:57:51Luke Lafreniere:think we did it ai oh oh yeah i can see that maybe both i mean it's got an nvidia gpu and it probably does AI

2:58:11Dan?

2:58:13Luke Lafreniere:It's time for After Dark Let's do that

2:58:23Luke Lafreniere:Let's see if I can see if I can find anything

2:58:27Linus Sebastian:Nice

2:58:32Luke Lafreniere:Still futzing through things or shall I read you some? Yeah, you can read one. Sure. It's my birthday Monday and I'm throwing together a video game Olympics for the second time. What are some good games that we should play? Nidhogg. Teams of Two.

2:58:48Linus Sebastian:Oh. Okay. Not that.

2:58:54Linus Sebastian:Teams of Two. that actually really narrows it down extremely how many games are like 2v2 I guess you can play I mean there's wingman

2:59:07Luke Lafreniere:but like you all have to be into FPS so like hmm I'm surprised you whipped out the wingman well it's a 2v2 format is it not?

2:59:16Linus Sebastian:no for sure it's just have you ever played wingman? I've played with you clearly it wasn't memorable though this is a long time ago

2:59:25Luke Lafreniere:I played a lot of wingman yeah I just when you played it with me it just wasn't satisfying I guess I get it oh my bad this is what no chicken does to a man he had to eat a subway sandwich today and I think he's still recovering

2:59:46Linus Sebastian:honestly I think I am I'm very disappointed we're a little bit too busy dealing with house stuff I don't actually want to talk about instead of you know the cook at least you found one game that's probably good enough people in chat have brought up some cool stuff rocket league definitely supports 2v2 very effectively tape to tape you could definitely 2v2 it especially if you include some ai um you could theoretically 2v2 in league of legends um you could 2v2 space cadet table you each get one flipper

3:00:19Luke Lafreniere:that would legitimately be fun that would honestly be pretty legit that would be awesome

3:00:23Linus Sebastian:you would enjoy it you'd love it someone someone pointed out you could do four 1v1s in nidhogg

3:00:30Luke Lafreniere:um do a little tourney oh left for dead left for dead with bots play co-op everyone has fun except the people who you know you're not shooting the smoker's tongue you gotta you gotta shoot the smoker's tongue you gotta break the tongue i'm taking damage here you know i'm not a lot of fun to play left for dead with i think i think it's pretty fun but i uh yeah uh gas racing suggested starcraft yeah yeah you could pull you know it'd be kind of interesting to pull out an rts that none of you have ever played and just wing it what's that there's a there's a new that'd be

3:01:07Linus Sebastian:kind of cool uh there's a new rts coming isn't there you're not talking about that one from the

3:01:12Luke Lafreniere:ex-blizzard folks, the Stormforge or whatever.

3:01:14Linus Sebastian:That didn't seem to work out super well.

3:01:17Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I think they're in trouble. Oh, really?

3:01:20Linus Sebastian:Yeah. That sucks.

3:01:21Luke Lafreniere:Is that what it's called?

3:01:23Linus Sebastian:Something along those lines. Tempest Rising?

3:01:32Linus Sebastian:That's not the one I was talking about.

3:01:33Luke Lafreniere:Stormgate? Stormgate.

3:01:41Stormgate.

3:01:42Linus Sebastian:I don't know. My bad. Can't find it. Smash Bros. You could totally do Smash Bros. 2v2 Smash Bros. Is actually hella fun. Oh boy. Apparently that, yeah.

3:02:05Luke Lafreniere:So I actually agree. The word scam is used in contexts that are like not good. I don't have a lot of context for this drama, but yeah, words mean what they mean. Get good. Also, this is a bit of a problem though. Ah.

3:02:25Linus Sebastian:Did it get review bombed? That's possible. After you said stuff? apparently in our language. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

3:02:34Luke Lafreniere:good luck with that. I have no idea what's going on with that game. Do you want some more? I do. Hello from Japan. I'm currently on the train heading back to the airport to catch my flight back to Canada. Have any of you also been here? Would love to hear your experience if you have. Luke and I went to Japan together once. Yeah. it was great actually it was a yeah other than the really awesome trip a little bit of light sexual harassment on your part but okay what you tried to get me naked oh i did he did i was naked

3:03:11Linus Sebastian:he was

3:03:19Luke Lafreniere:i'm not much of a steam room guy it wasn't a steam room or whatever it's called the onsen yeah yeah yeah i got too many tattoos yeah i'm good to go oh i know i'm bare luke was a team sports kind of kind of kid growing up i never really did the let's all just whip it out in the locker room

3:03:39Linus Sebastian:thing and i'm honestly not that into it i'm not particularly like into it but i was in japan and wanted to do no japanese things you did it right you did it right and i got to hang out with one of the engineers from omron who we were just with and it was actually super chill yeah i believe

3:03:56Luke Lafreniere:you yeah it was cool yep well actually it was quite warm yeah yeah that makes sense yeah in spite of the nudity you might even say it was hot i don't have any tattoos i could have believed it either way to be honest i mean i was i was going for like the yakuza vibe

3:04:17Linus Sebastian:no one has ever seen my giant full back like tiger tiger you know eating a rooster kind of thing

3:04:26Luke Lafreniere:yeah yeah yeah linus in all capitals what was your favorite tech growing up gaming computers wow i mean i really liked my disc men this one were sweet that was a game changer dude i mean oh man having to like hold the rewind button i'm the kind of person who gets hooked on a song and i just like i want to hear that song over and over again um especially when i was younger so i'd have to like get good at memorizing how long i have to hold the rewind button in order to get back to the point where the song starts on my walkman and so dude upgrading to a disc that was an absolute life changer for me i started being able to burn my own mix cds and stuff Oh, yeah.

3:05:13Luke Lafreniere:Oh, so good. Yeah. So, oh, man, that's tough. But then I couldn't make a mix CD without my gaming PC. It wasn't really a gaming PC at that point. It all comes back to the computer. But it had a CD burner, so that was pretty good. I had a really slow CD burner. But still, I could set it to go at night, and then I could get up in the morning, and sometimes it wouldn't be a coaster. Those were exciting mornings.

3:05:42Linus Sebastian:god our tech sucked i remember we had net nanny and i used to play runescape back in i'm assuming this was like 2002 or something um and i i would load up runescape and it would take so long to load it would successfully load which is actually really interesting to me at

3:06:03Luke Lafreniere:this point right the fact so many things today would time out before or even trying something Nothing would go wrong.

3:06:09Linus Sebastian:But it would successfully load. But I would go downstairs and make a sandwich and a drink and consume both and then come back upstairs. And then it would finish loading.

3:06:20Luke Lafreniere:And you guys have no idea how long it takes him to eat a sandwich. It's remarkable he manages to consume enough calories to maintain his size. Yeah. It's an effort. I had just gotten my new braces. And we sat down together at the table. I actually gave him his burger first. So he had started eating already. I had just gotten them. I still had the bite turbos and like the bite blocks at the back. So I couldn't even close my molars to within like about this distance. I still finished my burger before he did in all that pain without being able to close my molars. How is it even possible, Luke?

3:07:09Linus Sebastian:anyways yeah that was a that was a heck of a thing um i don't remember why i brought that up but yeah that's i and i did that like all the time anyways luke newcomb which battlefield was

3:07:24Luke Lafreniere:your favorite quality reference i put way too many hours in 1942 also so glad the super soft is back ruined my last one frying burgers oh okay uh uh what is it the fashion team told me I think it's like dish soap and baking soda and pre-treated and then wash it. You should be able to get grease stains out of it. It's a thing.

3:07:43Linus Sebastian:Anyway, carry on. 1942 was incredible. I think the most condensed fun, if that's a term that I can use that people will understand, that I had was Bad Company 2.

3:08:00Linus Sebastian:Wasn't 1942 the first one? That would make sense.

3:08:05Luke Lafreniere:I'm trying to remember.

3:08:07Linus Sebastian:Anyway, carry on. And then I think it had a few expansions and stuff that kept it going for a while. 1942, I feel like, was pretty long-lasting. But honestly, the one, and this might just because, like, the friends that I had to play with at the time and stuff, but Battlefield 3 hit pretty hard for me. I think I'd go with Battlefield 3. 1942 was incredible. But I think Battlefield 3 got the most, like, enjoyment. but again it might have been because of the social aspect that was coming along with it

3:08:41Linus Sebastian:1942's wake island was such an experience jamesh said in flow plane chat and that made me think this was my whole pain honestly wake island specifically was my whole pain with the new maps in battlefield 6 and knowing how small they are because wake island like really it felt like a campaign um of the of this crazy push pull and the new maps are like there's one kind of mountain in the middle and you just kind of fight in a ring around it and that's like one of the biggest maps they have it's like oh hold on remember how bad games looked remember how do you remember that that's what that looked oh yeah i do i don't have the um like when people are like oh morwen looks so bad you you you for sure remember it differently than it looks then i see a screenshot of morwood i'm like that's exactly how i remember it looking sounds good uh this helicopter what is it a cyber truck sick dude wow heck yeah i dude i when i see screenshots of like 1.6 i really want to play the game as is i don't want it to look better i want to look like that i want grenades to just be bricks that fly through the air i just dude that's awesome why not yeah why not Screw graphics, man.

3:09:58Linus Sebastian:Who needs them? Give me good games again. Who needs them?

3:10:04Luke Lafreniere:Linus! Can you buy the Canucks so that they stop sucking? It's quality texture right here. It's green. Sorry, what is it? Can you buy the Canucks so that they stop sucking? Oh, you're not talking to me. I'm sorry. No, I can't see this. Oh. Oh. Fine. Sorry. Fine. Can I buy the Canucks? What are you even talking about? I have, A, I have no idea how to run a sports team. B, oh my God, with what money? The coach doesn't seem to either, I guess. Wow. Mean. Boot roasted. Mean. You play tape to tape. You probably know enough about him. Hackey. Yeah, for sure. Hackey. Nope. I have no ideas to make the Canucks stop sucking.

3:10:48Luke Lafreniere:At this point, I might as well just cheer for the oil. Hope they can get McDavid signed and make another push. Let's go, boys. and the last one i got for you today hey linus now that you've been the chief vision officer for a while is it a position you think could work at any other company or is also being the ceo's boss an integral component yeah i think that um it's it basically is the ceo's job to have the vision for the company normally but because our structure where i'm also the primary shareholder and I mostly just needed to offload all the other aspects of what the CEO does. It did make sense to break those things out.

3:11:35Luke Lafreniere:It's not something I'd really recommend. Like you wouldn't want, the only reason that my role works is because in addition to my title, I also just carry pretty heavy sort of soft power is the way Taryn first described it to me when I was bewildered at some point about why people were listening to me about something and he was like well you got to understand you can't just like make comments flippantly because you've got to understand that whether you say to do something or don't say to do something when you say stuff um people high priority action people automatically every time sometimes even if i tell people not to which i'm not actually referring to you dan believe it or not um there was there was someone else I ran into recently where I explicitly said I asked a question yeah that's right I asked a question to someone in accounting I was like hey do you happen to know this and they were like no I'd have to look that up and I said that's too much work don't do it and I left but now you've and they came and they came back to me like 40 minutes later having created this wonderful summary of what i asked and i said okay so i know your mother-in-law will operate in this fashion where they say you know oh gosh it sure be nice if the temperature was a little higher in here but no no trouble don't get up and turn it up that is not how i work if i explicitly say do not do something i consider any further action on doing that thing a complete and utter waste of time not to be done but i think something that people can't handle that and i get it though i get it

3:13:17Linus Sebastian:is that if someone did that to you and it was interesting enough to you you wouldn't be able

3:13:22Luke Lafreniere:to stop but doing it uh oh i don't know do you have an example i think i don't think so i think you're gonna have to give me an example this is a suspicion oh okay okay if you catch me in it though you gotta nail me on it you gotta bring it to wandshow for sure don't have an example don't even tell me at the time i can't think of one catch me on it and bring it to wandshow i'll

3:13:40Linus Sebastian:try we'll see i'm ready i do i the problem is you would have to be sufficiently interested in the thing yeah it's not just anything oh okay yeah it wasn't an interesting thing i asked yeah i was

3:13:53Luke Lafreniere:just i was just curious it was for like a throwaway joke in a in a video or something like i was just like if i said this would it be true and so i was doing a quick fact check and then it was more than three seconds of work and so i was like this is not worth it i will write a different joke god i I get that.

3:14:10Linus Sebastian:What I'm trying to describe is like if someone serves you the like most interesting looking thing of your day. But then it can't necessarily like turn into something more valuable. And you're like, oh, I can do whatever. And they're like, oh, never mind. It's fine. I think you'd be very tempted to follow through to that anyways. Maybe. But that's a specific scenario and is not what you're just describing.

3:14:34Luke Lafreniere:Tim says, okay, I've got to ask. I know you have ADHD. but do you have autism because I have autism and that kind of direct no really I mean the exact thing I say is only something I see with other people with autism I'm not diagnosed it's clearly not super severe however I have more than one family member somewhere on the spectrum that like actually diagnosed um and my whole clan is a little spectrumy um and i mean that in the you know kindest fuzziest possible way um i definitely do experience things that other people um with autism report experiencing i will i'll do things like when i'm walking i'll accidentally kind of brush my foot on the ground in a particular way and then i'll like have to do it again otherwise i can't like cancel it out like there's there's weird sensory stuff like that um but clearly it's not a hindrance so there's never been really any need to get a formal diagnosis uh ixon says undiagnosed but what else could it be yeah pretty much um yeah spectrumy is is my word that i like to use to describe it says shraft 2k because it can never be wrong literally everyone all the way from zero to one i think sometimes on a spectrum we care too much about

3:16:06Linus Sebastian:which is ourselves special little which is the kind of literal pokemon elements literal label i'm a i'm a fired wind type fired flying type spectrum is the kind of literal label that someone spectrumy would apply yeah it's technically true nice but i yeah i i don't know i i

3:16:32Luke Lafreniere:i i can't care too much about it yeah yeah

3:16:43Luke Lafreniere:you first oh right we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel folks bye

3:16:56Luke Lafreniere:No, you hang up. No, you hang up.