Google Is Selling Fake Products - WAN Show July 11, 2025

13:37Linus Sebastian:It's this. We can share my screen.

13:42Luke Lafreniere:No, it's fine.

13:42Linus Sebastian:Okay.

13:47Luke Lafreniere:Hippopatomonstrasquipidaaleophobia or something like that. Man, that's really... Also known as sesquipetalophobia. The name is ironically long, making it a bit of a joke for those who've experienced the phobia. Imagine having a fear of long words. I think we've gotten soft as a society.

14:15Luke Lafreniere:Dyslexic stoner240 in floatplane chat says, We are not thoft. I was going to say, I think we've gone thoft as the thofiety is hilarious. There's no way that that's right, Ploda. Ploda says the fear of palindromes is a palindrome. No, I think it is. Abiophobia. There's no way. It can't be. Is that real? I think so. Fear of palindromes can't be a real thing though That's probably just a thing It's a humorous unofficial term That ironically refers to the fear of words Phrases or numbers that read the same backward and forward That's not real We live in a society Stop it Somebody said say narcissist I won't I'll have to later I'll explain later I find that disrespectful

15:09Linus Sebastian:Because I stole it from you. I stole your opportunity

15:15Linus Sebastian:You bastard Bath turd sorry, I don't understand. I mean you did a caddy sack with you

15:29Luke Lafreniere:Let's get on to our next topic here. What do you want to talk about? Are you depressed just use AI to feel better Last week, Microsoft laid off about 9 ,000 employees across several departments with a huge reason for this reduction coming back to the classic AI. It seems like whether it's jobs being lost to AI or it's employees managing to work with it more efficiently or them just wanting to make more investments in hardware, whatever it is. CEO Satya Nadella said that about 20 to 30 percent of the company's code is currently being generated by AI. and there's no plan to slow down on investing billions into it.

16:14Luke Lafreniere:And I guess that comes at the cost of some of the humans that work there, which is honestly kind of old news at this point. What's new this week is that Matt Turnbull, an executive producer at Xbox Game Studio Publishing, stated on LinkedIn that while this is a challenging time for many people, there is a solution. using AI to help get over it. This is in direct response to people losing their jobs. LinkedIn is a horrifying place. We'll get to that. Including examples in his post of what you could ask an AI. Like, I'm struggling with imposter syndrome after being laid off. Can you help me reframe this experience in a way that reminds me what I'm good at?

17:04Luke Lafreniere:He then ended his message with, No AI tool is a replacement for your voice or your lived experience. But at a time when mental energy is scarce, these tools can help you get unstuck faster, calmer, and with more clarity. There were even more examples of ideas or prompts to give AI tools, but the post was deleted due to how it was received. Discussion question. While the time... Okay, actually, no. First discussion question. LinkedIn as a social media platform.

17:37Linus Sebastian:it's like the worst thing in the world i hate it so much i'm gonna go on my linkedin if it was like basically just a professional resume platform that you could message people on sure but honestly the fact that there's public posts at all i find really weird and i often find them to be so incredibly like corporate self-serving and so incredibly fake i just yeah i i i I don't don't like it. Sammy says LinkedIn is just people self-glazing and other people approving your self-glaze. So it's a circle jerk. A jerk in a circle. But everyone in the circle is also at least partially wearing suits.

18:27Linus Sebastian:That's got to be a genre. Somebody's into it.

18:32Luke Lafreniere:somebody somewhere um yeah okay so that wasn't much of a discussion topic that's fine we can move on from that while the timing of this post couldn't have been any worse ignoring that can you see yourself ever turning to an ai chatbot for assistance like therapeutic because i i use

18:54Linus Sebastian:chatbots for assistance all the time sure therapeutic assistance no i don't think so

19:00Luke Lafreniere:So I'm going to prevent, I'm going to prevent, I'm going to present a contrarian take here. I've both my own and someone else's. Elijah put in here, to be honest, I have 100 % used AI messaging tools to help through temporary tough times. I don't think they're a replacement for real therapy or whatever the person might actually need. But if someone can identify that what they're going through is very temporary, needs a quick ranting, buddy, I could totally see this being a real thing people would do. To be clear, there's no endorsement there. but seeing that this could be a thing that people would do i think is valuable for us to at least have a broader perspective even if it's not something that we would do personally i'm not saying you shouldn't and what i will say is that that short period of time that i spent on that social media platform that was all ai participants honestly it felt healthier than regular social

19:52Linus Sebastian:media oh i mean that's uh that bar is in the core of the earth sure it's not low it has no factor i mean basically there was it was nothing but positive energy and social media is nothing but negative energy i wouldn't say it's nothing but depends on the category of social media but

20:13Luke Lafreniere:it is very problematic energy wise i think we can agree on that arguable to say that even when it's

20:18Linus Sebastian:positive it's positive in a way that drives you to continue using it which will inevitably push you towards a negative you could make that argument

20:28Linus Sebastian:anyways um lime day

20:36Luke Lafreniere:we gotta sell sure it's lime day it's it's

20:44Luke Lafreniere:it's lime day I can't

20:48Linus Sebastian:Are you saying slime day? I'm not aware of what slime day is Stop Is it like a Stop Nickelodeon reference Stop Try it to be Today

21:04Luke Lafreniere:Lime day Occurred There you go That worked

21:14Luke Lafreniere:Lime day is our annual sales event where we squeeze our margins to bring you some really sweet deals, including our brand new Not a Hot Dog t-shirt that we dropped today. It's available. Here, I'll switch to the Luke cam. You'll have to turn around a bit more. It's available for a limited time at a discounted Lime Day price for just $19.99 on both sites. So that is$19.99 CAD on the global site and$20 US on the US site. We are also introducing a brand new colorway in olive since y 'all sold the sky blue version out so quick. Sheet. Oh, Artie's writing in the doc. You should probably explain the story.

22:03Luke Lafreniere:So it's a hot dog, right? And in the mustard. Well, the front isn't anything. It's eyeballs and a knif. And he holds a little knife. It's cute. and then on the back the mustard says i'll kill you on the super cute hot dog did you notice that i didn't actually see that part i really like the shirt though it says i'll kill you oh written on the hot dog so the reference the reference is i i have pushed for many years to keep our shirts at 20 it was only recently with uh tariffs on the ones that are going into the u.s that pushed them like making it impossible for us to keep them at 20 u.s dollars without So losing our shirts, haha, get it.

22:44Luke Lafreniere:Anyway, we're bringing it back no matter the cost. And the reference here is that the Costco founder told the then CEO of the hot dog in the Costco food court, if you change the price of the hot dog from$1.50 for a hot dog and a soda, which like today is insane. He said, I'll f***ing kill you. And so this shirt, it's 20 bucks. It's Lime Day. it's an I'll kill you hot dog and it's adorable

23:16Luke Lafreniere:I think it's great I think it's great too I think the team did an absolutely bang up job of putting together this shirt we really went for extra points by printing it on both sides for our cheapest shirt that cost more by the way and if you haven't seen any of our other lime day deals we have quite a few do you want to bring up the site Sure. You can save$15 on our iconic insulated water... Stop. You can save? Just click shop now. Okay. Shop. There's a shop now there. Click the shop. You don't have to click that. It's painful. You can click anywhere on here. Well, you weren't doing that either.

23:59Luke Lafreniere:Look, you can save$15 on our iconic insulated water bottle. Perfect for the summer to keep your drinks cold. You can get a free... Are you going to scroll down and look at any of the deals? He's doing great. Huh. We should probably... Anyways, no worries. You can get a free Razer Death Adder Essential when you buy any desk pad. Just add both of them to your cart and it'll show up. If you buy a commuter backpack, you can get either a free 8-BitDo controller with charging dock or an LTT Ridge wallet. you can snag our new WAN backpack and get either a free Corsair Thunderbolt 3 dock if you're in the US or a free Corsair K70 10 keyless keyboard if you are anywhere else, you can also get one of five exclusive Lime Day mystery screwdrivers and save$20 in the US and$30 Canadian anywhere else and if you buy a precision screwdriver and bit set bundle, you can get a free JerryRig everything knife lots of great deals this year and And in traditional WAN show fashion, I'm unleashing some brand new deals right now for you right here.

25:08Luke Lafreniere:We're doing$10 off the stubby screwdriver. We're doing... Where are they? Ah! It's over here! I'm stuck! Ah! I dropped a thing.

25:21Linus Sebastian:You pronounce your S's better when you yell them. Thank you. Just so you know.

25:26Luke Lafreniere:We're doing$20 off our cargo pants.

25:33Luke Lafreniere:We're doing$20 US dollars off of the off-site laptop bag in the US and$30 off on the global site. And last but not least, the MCM Magnetic Cable Management Starter Solution. We are giving you guys our best deal yet. Only$10 US dollars on the US site and$14 Canadian dollars on the global site. So that's about the same. Plus, you get 30 % off individual MCM component packs. So you can build off of that starter kit. Nice. But Lime Day is scheduled to end on Monday. So make sure you shop at these discounted prices while you still can at lmg.gg slash lime. It's also a great time for you guys to leave a merch message.

26:20Luke Lafreniere:I hate that we call them that. Merch message. I got this. Dan, should we show the people how they work? All you got to do is add an item to your cart on lccstore.com. Whenever we're live, you will see a little box pop up to leave a merch message. It'll go to producer Dan, who will reply to it or who will pop it up on the bottom a little something like that, or who might even curate it for me and Luke to respond to. Dan, do you want to show the people how a merch message works? Sure. Let's start with a normal one. How about that? Love the show. Never been around during a live stream. For the group, what has been the most simple yet stressful thing you have ever had to do for a sponsor?

27:01Luke Lafreniere:Oh, wow. Simple yet stressful. I feel like you did that on purpose. No, the rest of them are on purpose. This is an easier one.

27:16Linus Sebastian:You don't have to read the message. Technically, Dan has to read the message. You just have to not repeat it back to them. Oh, darn. luke's right yeah i mean no well we'll see what happens that doesn't work um

27:33Luke Lafreniere:i mean i think some of the most stressful ones have been the ones where they've been like weather dependent and there's a huge like time crunch um like i seem to recall there was one that we had to do i mean you know what sure let's go way back to the beginning when we were still working out of the house do you remember that shoot for patriot for their like um man it was it was it like a battery bank or something like that where we went out in the woods near my house and we had to get it done that day but it was raining but then we like sought under enough tree coverage that like it was kind of okay but then it wasn't okay because when we got back to the house the camera wouldn't turn on anymore because it got water on it and then i had to kind of disassemble the camera partially and then put it next to i used a gpu exhaust that could possibly generate heat and just like tried to dry it out overnight i thought it was more than just

28:26Linus Sebastian:i know the gpu exhaust was no i think i was i think i was running firm mark on like a 480 yeah yeah no i remember that but i thought we also had like other heat generating things just that i'm

28:35Luke Lafreniere:not sure yeah i don't know but it's been too long but yeah i remember that but it dried out and it worked the next day and that camera like got us through the first year and a half of the company Carried us for a long time. Yeah, FS700, let's go boys. I mean, it was a simple thing, get the shoot done, but it ended up almost killing our cameras. So I'm going to say that counts.

28:55Linus Sebastian:My example is probably not fair, but going on a hike is simple on the surface. Sure, yeah. Highlander was rough.

29:07Luke Lafreniere:And we had sponsors for it, so there. We did, ASUS even came with us. Yeah. Yeah, Nick's at Intel now, I think, but he was with Asus at the time.

29:16Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

29:18Luke Lafreniere:Okay.

29:19Linus Sebastian:We are on to... We're supposed to do a couple of merch messages. I think. Oh, no, we're not.

29:25Luke Lafreniere:Do you have another announcement? I don't know how things work, dude.

29:27Linus Sebastian:Me neither. We're technically already out of order, I think. So I don't know how much it matters. Nice. But we could do this flow plane announcement.

29:35Luke Lafreniere:Sure.

29:35Linus Sebastian:Fine. Just do it. Who is Linus when the cameras are off? Over the last two weeks, we've released content to show the day-to-day behind the life of Linus Gabriel Thabathton. Just circle the video thumbnails with your mouse as you're talking about each of the videos.

29:58Linus Sebastian:That was too fun. Okay. What are these? Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. How does the dynamic of Taryn and Linus actually work? check out the over 40 minute sit down video with them together and but what about lmg staff um do they remember their first reaction with linus he some of the staff's first reaction when he was meeting when they were meeting mr tech tips and then here i'll show some of them so okay

30:25Luke Lafreniere:sits down with the lmg ceo uh that's been a pretty uh successful exclusive oh yeah okay no that was that was recent i love how you started off by really giving him the

30:37Linus Sebastian:confidence he needs to like show up on camera by telling him that he was terrible on camera and he is still terrible on camera did i do that that sounds like a thing i would do um it's like rough

30:52Luke Lafreniere:here's yeah this this is pretty much it linus reacts to lmg members share their first meeting with linus this was another popular one i watched that whole thing that was a banger we have Linus takes a psychopathy quiz

31:07Linus Sebastian:the first comment I don't know if it's the talk comment but the first comment is just yeah

31:14Luke Lafreniere:and finally I spent the day with Linus in Taiwan wow this one's newer so it doesn't have as many views yet

31:23Linus Sebastian:it's still brewing yeah good stuff

31:26Luke Lafreniere:yeah that was during Computex Sammy did like a day following me around and documenting it for float plane yeah yeah okay what else are we supposed to talk about finally we did never mind yeah i go to lmg.gg

31:40Linus Sebastian:slash float plane or check out our youtube membership today uh should we talk about the

31:47Luke Lafreniere:thing labs did oh we're apparently also going to be having me take a narcissism quiz oh nice and we're going to be doing part two of your first interactions including colton and yvonne Colton's I know is terrible I did not make a great first impression on Colton

32:09Luke Lafreniere:he knows

32:11Linus Sebastian:I'm kind of surprised we're even doing that

32:17Linus Sebastian:I thought that was one of those stories that just goes out back and dies I didn't think that was something that would return but okay alright sounds good put that back on camera again

32:35Luke Lafreniere:okay what are we supposed to be doing right now oh right the merch messages oh yeah there's a couple coming in sorry let's see Linus could you please say she sells sea shells by the seashore with your retainer that's your merch message she sells sea shells by the seashore they spent$287 to say the line Bart

33:03Luke Lafreniere:she sells sea salt she sells she sells she sells seashells by the seashore nicely done

33:19Linus Sebastian:that was pretty good I made it good job

33:26Luke Lafreniere:you got there sophisticated Sebastian serves sublime sushi sideways you gotta be kidding me that's another one is this a new one yes

33:35Linus Sebastian:they didn't spend enough I don't think there's technically a line for that alright Luke you do it

33:41Luke Lafreniere:sophisticated Sebastian serves sublime sushi sideways

33:47Linus Sebastian:that was

33:48Luke Lafreniere:pretty good I understood every word clearly That was a little easier to say. I understood every word clearly. All right. Don't make a habit of sending those in. You're not all going to get curated. All right, moving on.

34:02Luke Lafreniere:I'm looking at some of the other ones you've curated. You bastard. Those ones you don't have to, like... You bastard. All right, what else are we talking about today?

34:12Linus Sebastian:Luke, you want to do one? Sure. We can do this labs one. we can do maybe both of the labs ones if you want let's do it so labs has an article uh we saw a reddit post on the r slash linus tech tips subreddit uh that wasn't people talking about creator warehouse and we were curious um and we conducted some testing and gathered one round of data no concrete results yet since battery testing takes a long time we wanted to kind of give people a bit of a sneak peek into this because we were called upon. Can LTT test this claim? So we were like, yeah, we can look into it. We are going to update. Are we going to say the claim?

34:54Linus Sebastian:Yeah, the claim was that showing the seconds in your test bar would... System tray clock. Use more, yeah. You can't see that from here, can you? No, I can't. I just wasn't looking at it. When are you going to get your glasses? No, I can read that just fine. I just wasn't looking at it. Okay. But yeah, having seconds there, does that reduce your battery life? So we poked into it. We have the article up now. It's does showing seconds in the system tray actually use more power. We lay out the claim. We talk about how we tested it. And we show the results. And the results so far. So far? Are, yes.

35:35Linus Sebastian:Really? By how much? So the red bar is seconds hidden. The blue bar is seconds displayed. Wow. And this is the duration of battery life per minute on these three different computers. We try to get computers that have, does this talk about it really much here? But we tried to use like a range of different. Oh yeah, we have an ARM.

35:51Luke Lafreniere:Yes. So we have like an x86 and we have an ARM and we also have like a high performance laptop and more of a like battery life optimized laptop. Yes.

36:01Linus Sebastian:And in each case on three tests, which, and like there's little flags, data is not comparable between devices. Stuff like that. Also, we try to make it pretty clear at the beginning, like, this is not conclusive. This is, like, one test per thing. This is not enough. But we wanted to, like, show as we were working. So we're going to update this post later as we get more data. That's super cool. We're also, this is just, like it says on the chart, displaying desktop. That's it. Yeah.

36:32Luke Lafreniere:I wonder how many other little things are like this.

36:35Linus Sebastian:We are potentially going to look into that. We're going to see if there's enough. and if there's enough we'll probably look into it but battery testing takes forever and there's actually a very high amount of variance right um so if we decide to do something like hitting an update server or something and just like oh windows defender just decided to go ham randomly or whatever uh like i i had to restart this computer when i sat down and the fans were just kicked on like a hundred percent for 15 minutes yep like i have no idea what it was doing but it He's doing something. AI. Yeah. Who knows? So it's not conclusive yet.

37:14Linus Sebastian:So far, all the testing has shown that, yeah, it does help. I know that, and it's not in here yet because we want to keep doing more, but we have run, Lucas was telling me because he's setting this up, that we have run one laptop where we did video playback instead of just showing the desktop. And it actually did the opposite. but it did the opposite to a very small degree where it's probably within margin of error right and if i remember correctly his theory was that just if you're playing a video there's just so much going on that it effectively doesn't really make a difference and it's just a margin of an error problem but that brings even more of a light onto hey battery testing is hard and there's a lot of variance um when it's not a device that does like exactly one thing at all points in time um

38:02Linus Sebastian:yeah uh so that that was cool this is cool i think this is sweet we want to try to be able to do more of this type of stuff um so thank you for the the the question on reddit and hopefully this is an interesting adder to the conversation and we hope to keep updating it more in the future um this is also a way for us to just like kind of play around and get more experience doing things like battery testing um because battery testing is weird so yeah anyways there's also another thing that i wanted to kind of show off this was actually built quite some time ago um and then for some reason we didn't expand upon it i think we didn't have the time He accused me of killing it before the show.

38:51Linus Sebastian:I thought Linus killed this.

38:52Luke Lafreniere:I've literally never seen this.

38:53Linus Sebastian:I thought Linus killed this. I've never seen it before in my life. It's very likely I did because we didn't have the time to like actually fully see it through at the time. But - Check this out.

39:01Luke Lafreniere:This is awesome.

39:02Linus Sebastian:Dan Siegel made this. We were we were trying to play around with learning -

39:07Luke Lafreniere:Dan Siegel more like Dan Eagle.

39:09Linus Sebastian:This is really sick.

39:10Luke Lafreniere:We were trying to play around with - This is way more OP than Siegel's. They just steal french fries.

39:19Linus Sebastian:I like told him I was gonna show this off and now it's gonna open with you making fun of his last name. I'm not making fun of his last name.

39:26Luke Lafreniere:His last name isn't even the bird. I know. You should know how to spell his name, you're his manager. I do not - Oh my goodness. That's pathetic. Oh my god.

39:34Linus Sebastian:Okay, anyways. That's like me being like, Luke, Luke Lassen-Friere. I bet you like half this company can't say my last name and that's okay. That's fine. It took me until like grade three to be able to spell it. I don't expect anyone else to figure it out. It's okay. What was I going to say? Yeah, so this is cool. This is fun. You can go to the different modes. You can be like, I want to see the Noctua, and then it like totally changes what it looks like. I want to see the retro. Yeah, okay. Might be a little bit too on the nose. This was an internal thing originally. Solid color. You can see all the different colors.

40:10Linus Sebastian:Change the background. Build your own. and then you can change the different thingamajigs. There are some problems. You'll see the cap. Nice. But again, this is a tech demo, so whatever.

40:24Luke Lafreniere:I think I have that combo at home. Oh, the one that I set up there? Literally that exact combo. One of my kids made it, I think.

40:30Linus Sebastian:Yeah, yeah. You can also do this. Are you looking? Are you looking? Oh, yeah, I'm looking. See the little orange ball? Yeah.

40:37Luke Lafreniere:What?

40:38Linus Sebastian:The Ratchet is based on MegaPro's long-standing and reliable design. and then you can go back and you can be like what about this one and then it's like our bit storage is in collaboration with micro yeah so this came back up into conversation because Dan mentioned like hey you guys have the transparent one now it would be fun to do an experiment like trying to mess around with 3D transparencies and stuff like that so that's super cool I don't know I don't know what we would do with it but if we could if we could have like a product select oh no well i didn't why would it whatever um

41:24Luke Lafreniere:now some of you have looked at that and gone oh well then it'll definitely be it's definitely going to be like uh like uh you're going to do customizable screwdrivers right and the answer is we've always aspired to it ever since we did that thing at ltx where you could build your own screwdriver that was always the goal but we've never um we've never been able to figure out the logistics of stocking all of the individual pieces and being able to guarantee with any kind of certainty that they're not going to be like out of stock all the time and also the um the way that it would slow down orders if we had to like put the screwdriver together before we could ship it especially during high volume times like lime day so it's designed with like a build your own because it's a cool internal tech demo but we haven't figured out the actual like boots on the ground logistics of bringing that to life in a real actual product so for now the versions of the screwdriver we have on the site those are what we have and we do still aspire to do like a customize your own in any color scheme you want project at some point but it is not currently on any kind of real roadmap.

42:41Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I know. I know it'll sell well. I can tell you right now, though, it will not be the same price as the pre-done ones.

42:49Linus Sebastian:It has to be.

42:49Luke Lafreniere:Like, we will have to carry so much more stock of just, like, random not-assembled screwdriver bits than we would normally have to do now. And the additional touch of, like, putting them together on our side versus, like, doing it en masse with just like buckets of parts, like having to go like pick each of the individual ones that go together. Like the logistics of it are kind of a nightmare. So it would probably be at least another 10 bucks, probably more like 15 or 20. So make of that what you will. That's just the way it is. Sorry.

43:27Linus Sebastian:We also have some semblance of pricing stuff on the beta. And then I don't remember. if this is public or not yet, I don't think so. So I'm going to go play around with it first and check before I announce it.

43:43Luke Lafreniere:Oh, yeah. I mean, what could go wrong?

43:45Linus Sebastian:You're just going to share my page again? You're just going to do that? You're just going to wait? I'm waiting. I'm waiting. Let's see. Ah, yes. Okay. So it's still on the beta branch. So I can show your screen or no? You can, but it doesn't show. So eventually we're going to have it so that you're on the website. You go, I want to look at graphics cards. You add a couple of graphics cards to your comparison bin. Sorry, what? You want to look at graphics cards? You must be rich. Oh, yeah. Fair enough. Then you go to your comparison bin. You do the VTILs. Do you need a sugar baby? Yeah.

44:20Luke Lafreniere:Hey, that's a nice GPU. You want to have some fun? My goodness.

44:27Linus Sebastian:I hear you're wealthy enough to do AI inference. We should hang out. but yeah in this area there will be an edit price button and then you can put in your own price and it'll show some comparisons and stuff um yeah so that's that's that's coming don't know exactly when but it's uh it's coming there's cool stuff going on cool story luke last year yeah thanks

44:56Linus Sebastian:um i think i've told you this before any anytime anyone's like i can tell they're taking down my information i need to give them my my last name i'll i'll say it and immediately start spelling

45:06Luke Lafreniere:it out oh yeah i don't try to really yeah no one can spell sebastian they always spell it with an e oh that makes sense yeah so i'll be like linus sebastian s-e-b-a-s-t-i-a-n and i like and they'll still do it with an e sometimes it's like why did i bother to say these word noises out of my mouth hole did you ever have your your name wrong on like sports jerseys you assumed that I had a sports jersey. Not all of us were, you know, athletes. You didn't play anything? I mean, not at a high enough level to, like, need my name on the back of the jersey.

45:43Linus Sebastian:Oh, I think that's...

45:45Luke Lafreniere:Like, little kid jerseys just are like a jersey.

45:50Linus Sebastian:Huh.

45:52Luke Lafreniere:Okay. Our lived experiences are quite different, sir. All right. Never mind. Have you seen my size?

46:01Linus Sebastian:There's sports you can play when you're small.

46:03Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I could be the coxswain. You could have played rugby. Yeah, I didn't want to get hurt, and it was cold outside. They did actually ask me if I wanted to be on the rugby team when I was in grade 8 or 9.

46:16Linus Sebastian:Yeah, you probably actually would have been great, because you're fast, and you could have played hooker.

46:20Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

46:20Linus Sebastian:Which is...

46:22Luke Lafreniere:I still remember. Jamie McKinley, if you're out there, you're kind of a f***ing a**hole, but... Or maybe you're not anymore, but you were when you were a teenager. But the one nice thing that he ever said to me, I think, was he told me I should try out for the rugby team. Yeah. And then I didn't, and then I think we barely ever spoke again. Yeah. Because he was kind of a rugby guy.

46:42Linus Sebastian:I think you would have actually legitimately been really good at that, though. Yeah, thanks.

46:47Luke Lafreniere:Anyways. Speaking of graphics cards and being a baller, the NVIDIA RTX 5050 is a thing? NVIDIA has announced the RTX 5050, but where are the reviews? Well, it turns out NVIDIA just doesn't feel like seeding GPUs to review outlets. I mean, they're just going to crap on them anyway. So instead, they just quietly launched the card with no review embargo and said, coming second half of July. It's$250 MSRP, which is the same price as the RTX 3050 that it seems to be replacing. And I guess that's good because it has almost the exact same specs. 2560 CUDA cores, 8 gigs of GDDR6, not 6X. 128-bit memory bus and the biggest difference is the clock speed going from 1.55 bass to 2.31 and of course it's got lots of AI Woooo Woooo Woooo

47:44Linus Sebastian:Are you just happy you found a sound that you could make?

47:51Linus Sebastian:We will of course be publishing results Wait, we're going to play tape to tape tonight and you're going to be saying shoot and pass

48:02Linus Sebastian:sorry I just had that realization

48:09Linus Sebastian:you have to be a forward so that you're asking for passes all the time

48:18Linus Sebastian:alright sorry keep going

48:20Luke Lafreniere:you're not sorry

48:26Linus Sebastian:oh man okay

48:29Luke Lafreniere:we will be publishing results on LTT Labs once we have a card tested and we will also have a YouTube video but until then there will be almost no third party reviews while these cards are up for sale meaning people will not have solid data to assess the value of these cards yeah so this is pretty crappy our discussion question is do you ever get tired of trying to be a voice for change in this space since it feels like it's for nothing because absolutely nothing is changing at the end of the day I think that there really is I mean I've talked about this so many times in the past I think there's this mistaken perception for a lot of the viewers because they feel so much connection with the publications and the video creators that they engage with there's this perception that we have this like this power in the industry or something like that.

49:20But at the end of the day,

49:23Luke Lafreniere:you've got to understand that a lot of the consequential change that you're observing due to any video that we might make or one of our fellow creators might make or an article that gets published is because of the actual consequences of that thing, not because of us saying it, if that makes sense. So if the company ultimately agrees, like if a product needs to be recalled due to a safety issue or whatever then that will get some kind of action but if the company doesn't agree because they just think oh well sorry what they're saying it's like too expensive but we're making lots of money and we're selling lots of them so who cares um then they just completely ignore us and that's the way it's always been and the way that it's always going to be um and so yeah it it yeah it does get it does get tiring but i think the weight of the expectation from other people like i remember particularly during the gpu apocalypse um during covid we took a ton of flack for not taking a stand against the higher pricing and it's like i mean we said it's too expensive what else can we possibly say nothing more right and you know more recently nvidia took yet another step towards general hostility toward their customers and especially the press and we refuse to review one of their recent cards but you know at the end of the day we can only we can only um hold out for so long because our entire job is making sure that the people who want to know can get educated on the value of these products so ultimately we're just going to have to go out and buy one and we're just going to have to make the review anyway um and it i don't know man it just kind of is what it is they're worth

51:13Linus Sebastian:four trillion dollars you know and we're such a tiny segment and i don't mean linus media group i mean gaming yeah they don't even do i don't think they care at all and then the sub section of gamers who actually watch reviews on the cards that they buy enthusiasts it's like we're getting

51:34Luke Lafreniere:small like that's the thing right with the 50 50 what percentage of people buying that card do you think are shopping for that card because if you're shopping for that card you're buying like an arc b580 or whatever like you're an educated consumer you're not you're not going out and buying an add

51:48Linus Sebastian:in beef excuse me um an add in rtx 50 50 if they are if they even do look it up basically at all they're probably just going to google it get an ai summary and move on and and they're probably

52:01Luke Lafreniere:just buying based on the overall brand like oh yeah no i know g-force is good i have 250 or realistically 280 or 290 or whatever by the time it actually makes it to a retail shelf so I'm going to get the G-Force that fits my price point. I think a lot of enthusiasts have never worked retail. I have worked retail. People don't come in with the concept of FPS per dollar. They come in with how many dollars do I have and getting the most for it. So in a way, it's like the inverse. It's like how many FPS can I get for my dollar as opposed to how many FPS do I want and how many dollars do I need to spend, if that makes sense.

52:44So at the end of the day,

52:46Luke Lafreniere:they're just going to walk out with the one that they can afford from the brand that they trust. And NVIDIA's install base is so, so strong and so deep. And the products, okay, we can talk about FPS per dollar and we can talk about AI features and all that. Maybe they're not the best value, you know in this particular game or whatever but you can't mostly look at the product and go oh yeah historically people have had such bad experiences with nvidia cards they're probably desperate to get off they've had some issues with a 50 series launch for sure but prior like if you if you still had a gtx 1080 in your rig right now or a 1060 or whatever would you be going like oh oh yeah, I hate NVIDIA and I want to use something else.

53:35Luke Lafreniere:No. You would only make that mindset shift if you were watching the coverage as NVIDIA has in shitified over the generations and gotten to be less compelling of a value compared to their competitors. It's not like the product in your computer that to their credit, they've supported for a very long time with drivers and software. Yeah, absolutely. It's not like you hate that. So I understand why people just come into the store with their money, with their budget for their new GPU and they just buy whatever it is. And if NVIDIA can sell 30 class silicon for 50, 60 class prices these days, they're going to do it.

54:14Luke Lafreniere:But with more AI. So yeah, it's frustrating. I don't know how to... I don't know how to deal with it. You know, we're going to keep doing what we do. We're going to keep testing them.

54:27Linus Sebastian:This was linked in full-plane chat and I'm pretty sure most people here have seen it, but... what am I looking at? Revenue.

54:36Luke Lafreniere:Oh yeah, here we go. Gaming. Wow.

54:43Luke Lafreniere:Wow. Literally like

54:51Luke Lafreniere:automotive is making up ground, which was like nothing not that long ago. Networking is a bigger business for NVIDIA than gaming.

55:00Linus Sebastian:And do you think gaming includes Switch? Ooh,

55:06Luke Lafreniere:maybe. Mind you, this is fiscal year. Probably Switch wouldn't be here yet. Oh, maybe it would. Yeah, maybe it would. Oh, wow, that's unfortunate.

55:16Linus Sebastian:And they would have sold the components for Switch 2 already. That's very unfortunate.

55:23Luke Lafreniere:Wow. Brain costs, R &D. Huh. Huh. Gaming makes less than the total R &D budget these days. That's wild.

55:36Linus Sebastian:It makes less than taxes. That's a... Well, no, not quite. But basically the same.

55:41Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Fiscal year 25. 72.96. Or 0.9...

55:55Luke Lafreniere:This is wild. 72.9 billion. Billion. With a B. That's wild, man.

56:07Luke Lafreniere:Staggering. Yeah, it's pretty nuts.

56:12Linus Sebastian:Pretty nuts.

56:14Luke Lafreniere:I believe cost of revenue is COGS in this case. Sorry, can you bring that back up? It's gone. Okay. Give me a second.

56:24Linus Sebastian:nice nice i didn't know you could do that multiple times cool very nice it also does windows so if

56:31Luke Lafreniere:you close the window it'll open the whole window yeah yeah cost of cost of revenue is cogs cost of goods sold so that's the uh that's their that's their gross margins on top of it of course that's gross margins is not like gross profit is not real profit you have operating costs see r &d and you have taxes to pay and everything but like damn that's some nice net profit numbers this is like after tax and i wouldn't even i wouldn't even consider that like tax is just what you pay for like money you made so the actual profit here is 81 and a half billion dollars on 130 billion dollars of revenue that is wild wow i can tell you right now we ain't doing nvidia numbers

57:17Linus Sebastian:and like we aren't even profitability is crazy trying to think if we ever did i don't think so

57:25Luke Lafreniere:even when we didn't have like physical goods even when we were selling purely digital goods in advertising. I don't think we were ever that high. And we were a much, much smaller company, of course. Yes.

57:44Okay.

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1:00:51Luke Lafreniere:all right tell me this would you feel ripped off as a sponsor if i did your read in that voice i think people are gonna pay more attention to it to hear you say it wrong my god honestly i

1:01:02Linus Sebastian:think so as well i was doing my best as a sponsor you want people to be lasered in on the content right i guess so next week we need to make the list worse no by next week it will be mostly fixed

1:01:17Luke Lafreniere:i i'm going in on monday and i'm having them rip these bite blocks out because i can't do this i can't i can't i can't feel are they like cemented in place or what's the oh yeah it's gonna be unpleasant yeah i'm i'm a little unhappy right now yeah i think you have a pretty good reason to be well like to be clear i'm not mad at anyone other than myself for not sort of um i I thought they didn't tell you. Well, no, the ortho didn't tell me that they were going to put the bite blocks in, but I probably should have said something right when I realized what they were doing because I don't know. While you're being operated on?

1:01:54Luke Lafreniere:Okay, so I did tell them that I talk for a living and that's a factor, but I told them that two and a half years ago when I first got a quote. So like, yeah, they didn't remember that because they told me they didn't want to do it until I got my top wisdom teeth out.

1:02:10Linus Sebastian:Okay.

1:02:11Luke Lafreniere:and then I dragged ass on that and I finally did it and I came back I'm like okay I'm ready for braces now and they're like oh it's been a while so I like rescan everything and I probably didn't mention it again

1:02:24Luke Lafreniere:bite block is this

1:02:29Luke Lafreniere:it keeps me from closing my mouth all the way

1:02:31Linus Sebastian:do you have those little like rubber circle things they're clear what? What? D-Ran should pay to get you to put different color combinations in or something.

1:02:44Luke Lafreniere:I think clear is a pretty good choice. I mean, the whole reason they're white is so that they're not that noticeable. See?

1:02:53Linus Sebastian:Yeah. But it's pretty funny if they're noticeable.

1:03:04Linus Sebastian:Oh, yeah, that's a good point. They're just an ad for the transparent screwdriver. boom got him that wasn't even me let's go next topic no let's do some merch messages okay

1:03:17Luke Lafreniere:and they won't be any more of that linus i'm sorry you're not sorry you're not sorry at all look at you sorry that's not the face of a man who's sorry look at him i won't apologize he can't even pretend

1:03:32Luke Lafreniere:hey ldl i just started my motorcycle course and on my first run of the road i crashed i'm fine it was my first gear only but uh did you ever crash while riding so how bad was it uh yeah i've actually dropped my brought dropped my bike um i don't think have i dropped my bike more than once like i've i've dropped my bike stationary at least once because um how did this end up happening to me so often right right right right right right right right i i am maintenance averse sometimes um and so i've had sometimes i've had a couple of instances where i've allowed my stupid bike battery to die over the winter because i didn't buy a battery tender and i would like forget to charge it up once in a while over the winter so i like killed like two motorcycle batteries before i just bought myself a stupid battery tender anyway long story short i've had instances where um my bike was the only vehicle at home and i needed to go somewhere and i had to start it with a dead battery and you can do that but it sucks um so what you do is you go to a hill and then you um oh yeah so you push it and then you hop on it and then you try to get enough speed and then you put it in gear and you pop the clutch and like a standard car, like you can jumpstart it like that.

1:04:58Luke Lafreniere:So I had this one time, so the problem with that is that on my street where I used to live, my street was flat and then there was a hill coming from it. So my best shot to start the bike was on the hill. But if I didn't get it, it was game over because I'd have to come back up the hill and it was quite steep. So what I would usually try to do is do a running start on my flat street and try to get it. And there was this one time I tried like half a dozen times. And I think I think like just in the maneuvering of the bike, I probably like like dropped it a bit, but like but like kind of like caught it, like got my like hip under it or something like it didn't like it didn't get scratched.

1:05:40Luke Lafreniere:the time that i broke off my frame slider was on do you know that bridge in like poco that's wooden yes he knows the one so this was shortly after my um this was shortly after i did my course actually and one of the things that they teach you if you do a writing course or if you you know read about motorcycle riding at all i guess is um how to use your brakes because you got your front brake and you got your back brake so the front brake has much more braking power because you can preload it a little bit which shifts the weight of the bike forward and then you can really squeeze and um it gets more traction with the road because you've got more weight on it right um however the front brake does come with the drawback that if it locks up um you have no steering at all and you will just go over so the back brake can be the safer one if you don't want to lose traction anyway i was like ah i mean using the front brake can't be like that bad right i'm just gonna experiment so i was actually in traffic on that bridge I was going like like 8 kilometers an hour like at the speed of like a brisk walk and I was like well what if I just gave it a little squint immediately on the ground because it was raining so wooden bridge in the rain I was like I wonder how bad it will so I didn't hit the car in front of me when I slid but the car behind me hit my uh the tail of my bike which is why my like license plate holder is broken and then my frame slider uh broke off so nothing dangerous i was wearing my gear i was fine everyone was fine i think i had to give the guy a couple bucks to like patch up his fender or something he didn't take it through icbc though so it didn't affect my insurance premiums wait so you fell off your bike and he hit you and you paid oh it's 100 percent my fault dude i stopped for no f***ing reason whatsoever yeah you're still supposed to have stopping distance i was like right in yeah it it was my fault did he expect you to pay him

1:08:04Linus Sebastian:no okay then that's fine it was a hundred percent i can respect you being like i'm gonna own this here you go it was 100 percent you owe me then no it was my fault okay all right sounds good

1:08:18Luke Lafreniere:in response to USA's question I have to admit I was not wearing my seatbelt on the motorcycle so that was the other time in my life that I have been improperly buckled and for that I am sorry you know

1:08:38Linus Sebastian:I think it goes deeper than that I think you haven't been buckled many times on your motorcycle. I think you also haven't been buckled. I'll never admit it. I think you also haven't been buckled on buses. I'll never admit it.

1:08:55Linus Sebastian:We're going to have to deal with this at some point.

1:08:58Luke Lafreniere:But it is not this day. Dan, hit me. Sure, next up. Linus, each week you close by saying same bad time, same bad channel. Yet every week the show is late and starts at different times. How do you live with the weight of your lies? that's why I call it a bad time yeah cause the time is wrong and bad and it's the same every week and also just the bad channel bit is like haha it's cause you know I don't know self deprecation haha same bad time same bad channel like I told Luke for many years I didn't really understand when show like what the point of it was do you now? I think so yeah Okay. Yeah, but I never used to.

1:09:44Luke Lafreniere:I used to be like, it's not really a very good show. Like, we don't really give a detailed synopsis. We, like, often get things wrong. There's a lot of dead air.

1:09:53Linus Sebastian:The analysis portion is very questionable.

1:09:56Luke Lafreniere:You know, like, what's the point of this? And I finally figured it out. It's just like, hang out, bro, talk about tech time. Especially because, like, weekly news in the modern era, it just means old news.

1:10:09Linus Sebastian:Yeah, it's just old news, which is not news.

1:10:12Luke Lafreniere:we don't even the end doesn't even stand for news anymore light potentially inaccurate analysis of old news yeah like we we retconned we retconned that years ago um so like i could never yeah i could never figure out what the point of wan show was and i think i think a big part of it was that i didn't have the time in my life to enjoy wan show so for me wan show was just work for many many years and then luke and i stopped working together day to day and i started really enjoying Wancho because it was the one time a week that I could hang out and catch up with him and then I realized that that was the whole point.

1:10:45Luke Lafreniere:Was that it's just like the weekly talk about tech and decompress and just kind of chill, right? That's what Wancho is. I forget what the merch message asked. Oh yeah, Bad Time Bad Channel. Right, so the Bad Channel was partly poking fun at that I just kind of thought Wancho was stupid. I didn't really get the point of it. But I think, you know, sometimes, look, I've been doing this many years, but that doesn't mean that I always 100 % get it. Like, we had a long debate during writers meeting today where, like, I was going back and forth with one of the writers over whether this concept where we, like, fish around for parts in the warehouse and just, like, build computers had enough of what I call, like, learning outcomes or if it was too contrived.

1:11:33Luke Lafreniere:and like you know i obviously you know argued a position in this and i i took i i said i thought it was too contrived but that doesn't mean like i'm gonna stop thinking about it after the fact because you know the writer thought that they were right still at the end we kind of agreed to disagree at the end of the day but like i'll have to keep thinking about it because just because i think something and just because i have all this experience doing this doesn't mean i'm right every time not even close so try anything twice right is uh is kind of the attitude that we have to have about things um and with in the case of when so i don't know try it thousands of times a lot of time yeah and then eventually you'll get it right you know yeah um and then of course it's a reference right to to like 1960s i think it is 1960s batman bat time same bat time same bat channel with adam West.

1:12:28Linus Sebastian:I think there's another problem when it comes to YouTube content, which is like eras. There's some stuff where you might try it and it doesn't do well. But then there might be another this is really funny. I don't know. Did you? So on the suffering it

1:12:57Linus Sebastian:I don't even have anything to say about that

1:13:03Luke Lafreniere:I want to get like an N95 with that on it yeah oh man

1:13:11Linus Sebastian:that's pretty good yeah go for it I don't even remember what I was saying who cares

1:13:17Luke Lafreniere:oh man uh hey dale i love the beard i'm moving to germany soon do you have any tips or advice about moving to another country having never done it no um good luck have fun

1:13:36Linus Sebastian:be maybe start learning the language yeah start doing that ahead of time and commit to actually following through with it.

1:13:45Luke Lafreniere:I mean, like, look, Quebec, Canada is one of those places where people either say it's great to travel there or they say it, like, sucks and the people are horrible. And as far as I can tell, the main difference is whether you bother to try to speak French or not. And I don't even blame them. Oh, yeah, I guess, okay, so Quebec is the closest thing to a different country I've ever moved to. They think they're a different country. So I moved there for six or seven weeks. I forget exactly how long it was, and in, like, a French immersion program. And they're like the nicest people in the entire world.

1:14:18Luke Lafreniere:If you speak French, you don't have to speak French. Well, you can speak the worst French in the world. And especially in a city like Montreal, that's very bilingual. You can walk up and be like, bonjour, comment, toilet. And they'll be like, it's okay, bro. I speak English. And you'll be like, oh, thank God. Where's the bathroom? But you tried. but you you fucking tried and they respect that whereas if you walk up and you're just like hey where's your bathroom they'll be like oh just wait days of days and i don't know if i'm

1:14:58Luke Lafreniere:like that's just the way it is and and i get it i get i get it i understand that um

1:15:04Linus Sebastian:so yeah but it's also just like if you're trying to go to that place like yeah learn their language I don't know. If you want to be there, learn how to talk like they do. Seems cool. Do the stuff that they do. Is there an activity? Drinking beer? Did they say it was Germany?

1:15:20Luke Lafreniere:I don't know.

1:15:21Linus Sebastian:Eating bratwurst? I can think of a variety of things for Germany. For Canada, I know it's stereotypical, but go to a hockey game. Do try out stuff that locals do. See how it goes. Yeah, Canadian Bacon said, engross yourself in the culture. Yeah. Yeah, do that. yeah all right what's next

1:15:44Luke Lafreniere:oh more topics sure we can do topics

1:15:51Linus Sebastian:what one let's do grok the was giving its heart out to the crowd one after a tuesday fix grok the ai chatbot by elon musk's xai went on an anti-semitic tirade uh parroting nazi talking points and began referring to itself as mecha hitler to be fair the bot did have help from the x community users asked grok to choose between mecha users asked grok to choose between mecha hitler and gigajew and were able to inject extra prompt instructions as hidden text with what looks like uh with tools like parcel tongue to manipulate the boss behavior xai also appeared to temporarily disable grok's ability to respond via text and deleted a number of posts elon said the problem was grok being too eager to please

1:16:46Luke Lafreniere:i am so tired of us personifying these things grok it does not want to please anything or anyone grok's restrictions were too light that's what that means grok is a glorified pattern recognition and regurgitation software let's not pretend that it has a personality on it yeah Or not. Yeah.

1:17:07Linus Sebastian:Well, no, it still does. They're just...

1:17:10Luke Lafreniere:Yes.

1:17:11Linus Sebastian:Yeah, anyways. In other news, the next day... Linda Yaccarino. Yaccarino. Linda Yaccarino announced she is stepping down as CEO of X after two years. A successor has not been named at the time of writing. Also, on Wednesday, Grok 4 was released during a live stream, which also unveiled a new$300 per month subscription called Super Grok Heavy, just because they wanted to replace the previous two nicknames, I guess. Finally, on Thursday, AI researcher Jeremy Howard posted a video showing that Grok4 first searches X to get Elon Musk's views and opinions before considering other sources and presenting an answer.

1:17:53Linus Sebastian:Wow, I didn't see that. whoa that's uh really interesting actually holy the discussion question is how far along do you think we are in the journey to true artificial general intelligence lol uh are we still in the infancy of ai yeah maybe it's a toddler giggling as it repeats all the bad words it hears us saying we're back to the personification of ai bit um i think we're a lot further than uh people trying to sell ai would like you to think oh yeah 100 like a lot further but there's so much money in it now that they can't stop lying about it because it's a it would crash it's a very interesting money movement machine right now and yeah if it stops moving the like American economy freaks out I think.

1:18:50Luke Lafreniere:Did Linda Y ever have a chance as CEO of Twitter? Like with how outspoken and polarizing her boss is the owner of the platform What are your metrics? I don't know because like you have you can't control what Elon does. Yeah. like you can't control him taking his other products from his other platforms just integrating them and then they're like spewing hate speech like how do you you can't control advertisers not wanting to deal with the guy and like the boycotts kind of went away but i sincerely doubt that a lot of those advertisers that fled the platform are not still recognizing how much of

1:19:33Linus Sebastian:it is like bots and garbage oh it's like i'm sure they're not getting our why i'm sure the advertising is not covering the cost of what they're doing there was a lot of there was a very considerable amount of bots and garbage before the takeover but it feels like it's never been worse right now i think one of the reasons why it feels that way is the monetization of like views so it's all these like threads and yeah blah blah blah pornbots. It's a really crazy platform right now. It always really has been, but especially right now.

1:20:12Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I know, Max. I know.

1:20:15Luke Lafreniere:Okay, I'm trying to find the bit where

1:20:22Luke Lafreniere:Grok was also like... Oh, yeah, okay. No, this is probably too graphic for WAN show. Oh, the sexual harassment thing? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think... You could bleep all the words. I think let's just stay away from that one. But Grok did more than just become a raging anti-Semite. Yeah. Like a lot more. Yeah, like these are pretty disturbing things that Grok wrote about.

1:20:48Linus Sebastian:And there's like way more stuff than that. Yeah. Like way more stuff than that. Man. You got to think how long this was open to the users of X. And you have to imagine the types of things that were on there. I've seen some crazy stuff over the last while. Most of the news cycle that I've seen is about that. The graphic stuff about the CEO. That's what almost everyone I'm seeing is talking about. I hadn't seen this stuff before. And there's a ton of other stuff that I have seen before. It was wild. But we've seen this forever. this isn't really new yeah it's kind of the first thing that happens with an ai if you train it on twitter well if you train it on the internet to be completely honest like if you look at um a lot of really early versions of this they would do this if you didn't put like right strong bars in front of them um

1:21:45Luke Lafreniere:yeah it's almost like people are the problem them yeah it's the people speaking of buttheads thieves have been giving themselves refunds with pos terminals multiples toronto area small businesses have lost thousands of dollars as thieves have used the business's point of sales terminals to issue themselves large refunds do you want me to take this one yeah my tongue's getting pretty sore okay here in canada it's pretty common

1:22:13Linus Sebastian:for businesses to hand over a POS terminal to the consumer, to the customer to complete a transaction, to the point where it's really, really, really weird and like bothers me a lot being in places where they take my card. Because like that should stay with me. It is, I wouldn't even say pretty common. It is always that they'll hand over the POS terminal. Between two businesses contacted by CTV News, nearly$7 ,000 was stolen. Police haven't linked the two cases, but say there was a wave of similar cases around the city. Wow, interesting. In each case, the terminals haven't had passwords set for refunds or have used default passwords.

1:22:53Linus Sebastian:A spokesperson for Moneris, one of the leading POS providers, said in an email, when merchants set up their devices, they're prompted to set administrative passwords on the devices, and it is recommended that they also set up user profiles and permissions for things such as refunds. We also always recommend that businesses treat their payment terminals as they would cash, locked away, and secure when not in use.

1:23:16Luke Lafreniere:I can tell you right now that most of the businesses I walk into around here do not have their POS terminal locked away and kept somewhere safe. It's just out on the counter.

1:23:24Linus Sebastian:No, and I can pretty much guarantee that that is not going to happen.

1:23:27Luke Lafreniere:So basically, this is just meant to be kind of a PSA. if you run a small business make sure you have your administration password set up on your POS terminal and that it's that you have passwords for giving refunds and all that we don't want people to get ripped off

1:23:41Linus Sebastian:yeah the user accounts and passwords I think is is good and reasonable I don't think people are going to lock these away that's an insane workflow damaging action

1:23:54Luke Lafreniere:speaking of insanely damaging actions an appeals court has You can rest. It's okay. I got this. All right, fine. An appeals court has blocked the FTC's click-to-cancel rule. The FTC's click-to-cancel rule, which would have required subscriptions to be just as easy to cancel as they are to sign up for, was struck down by a federal appeals court in the U.S. The court agreed with telecom and industry groups that the FTC skipped essential rulemaking procedures, including failing to properly consider public comments and depriving stakeholders of a fair opportunity to influence the final outcome. While the court noted that the rule wasn't created in bad faith, it found that the FTC's approach was fatally flawed, citing a rushed process and internal dissent among commissioners.

1:24:45Luke Lafreniere:The unanimous opinion stated that the deficiencies caused prejudice to the petitioners and justified scrapping the rule in full, not just in part. In summary, the FTC is now fully staffed by three Republican commissioners after the current administration fired the remaining Democrats earlier this year, a move that violated Supreme Court precedent, but hey, who cares about rules anymore? With the GOP in control and industry opposition already entrenched, the rules future looks dead as a doornail. And that's really unfortunate because there's a lot of super predatory stuff that this was poised to eliminate, like gym memberships, for instance, that you need to go in person to cancel.

1:25:29Luke Lafreniere:This is just blatantly, brazenly anti-consumer and pro-big business and recurring revenue dark pattern bullshit. And it's one of those things that I just kind of look at and I go like, all right, single issue voters.

1:25:51Well, enjoy it.

1:25:54Linus Sebastian:Way to go.

1:25:58Linus Sebastian:I wasn't sure why this was in the doc But YouTube addresses AI content demonetization This seemed like a bit of a nothing topic to me Yes, but I thought it was

1:26:10Luke Lafreniere:Thought-provoking Okay So let's go through the facts of it first And then we'll go from there

1:26:16Linus Sebastian:YouTube is addressing a spate Spat? Spate Spate A spate of articles inaccurately claiming that upcoming changes to the rep... Do you want me to do it? I can do it. Sorry, I'm struggling today. To a policy would demonetize all AI content. No, no, I got this. I got it, I got it. YouTube is addressing a spade of articles and accurately claiming that upcoming changes to... Not specifically or exclusively AI content.

1:26:46Luke Lafreniere:Okay, hold on. I think we really do need to start at the beginning, though.

1:26:50Linus Sebastian:Sure, go for it.

1:26:52Luke Lafreniere:YouTube. is addressing a spate of articles that have inaccurately claimed that upcoming changes to the repetitious content policy would demonetize all AI content starting next week. Spammy content, AI-assisted or not, is the true target of this update, not specifically or exclusively AI content. Posts from Team YouTube and the YouTube Insider are clarifying that July 15th will bring a minor update to their existing partner program monetization policies is meant to help the platform better identify when content is mass produced or repetitive which viewers often consider spam and which was already ineligible for monetization so the reason that i wanted to talk about this was that uh let me see if i can find the thing

1:27:40Linus Sebastian:uh yes um elijah was like oh god the men who can't speak and the men who can't read are fighting

1:27:55it's good stuff um this just this got flagged for us because of psu circuit

1:28:04Luke Lafreniere:oh i don't think that falls under that no it doesn't but that's what i thought would be an interesting conversation sure should something that because because a lot of what people have said about psu circuit and the uh the ai voice read bit um of it is that hey it seems like spam so i guess the conversation that i wanted to have is like where does the line for ai generated content exist if this was what youtube was trying to do if they were demonetizing AI produced content, where in your mind is the line? Because PSU Circuit is certainly not entirely AI generated. It uses original testing done by humans.

1:28:52Luke Lafreniere:It uses a template that was not generated by AI that humans worked hard on for its scripts. What it uses AI for is to actually read it. And the reason that we do that is not because we can't pay someone for six minutes to read the script is because the editing is also automated. And if we have an AI read it, then the timing of the read is extremely consistent and the AI, sorry, and the editing script can just plonk all the right things onto the timeline where it can be quickly reviewed by a human. And the reason we're doing that is that PSU Circuit is not even meant to make money. It is purely the article in video form for people for whom that is the best place for them to discover it.

1:29:39Luke Lafreniere:That's it. Maybe in the future, you know, it'll gain some traction and we'll kind of go, oh, okay, yeah, maybe we should start doing nice B-roll. Oh, maybe we should start having a human host. Maybe we do this, maybe we do that. Or maybe for key releases, we could do something like that, special occasions. But for now, it is entirely a money-burning furnace. Okay? Just so we can test power supplies so people can learn about them. That's it. But would that be too much ai is that is that ai i i'm gonna give you a little bit of a non-answer because i think what's

1:30:15Linus Sebastian:more kind of interesting to me maybe is that i i don't necessarily care too much but i think the reason why they won't go after things like psu circuit is because it would be way too hard not because of psu circuit but because of like everything else especially in the short space oh it's like how much ai like voice there is in it now using ai to like copy and steal other people's content a little bit easier to detect i see okay making actually original content that has some layer of ai stuff on it one that i've seen that's pretty common is you use art or references from a thing that you're discussing but then it's an ai voice um like i remember i was getting a lot of shorts recommended to me for a while there uh way back when i played the warhammer 40k space marine i like looked up a couple things about it and then just my whole everything got taken over with warhammer content and like a lot of it just ai spammy stuff and i started getting really interested in that because there was for sure real people making videos that was them talking about like Warhammer lore stuff, but with just like art of Warhammer playing.

1:31:41Linus Sebastian:And it seemed like, I don't know if it was being stolen or what, but there was also definitely not real people doing exactly the same thing. Right. Different pictures, maybe. Maybe, I don't know. I didn't look extensively enough to like really compare, but different pictures and stuff. but it was for sure an ai voice like i would bet my life on it um so it's it's do you think it would

1:32:04Luke Lafreniere:be an improvement to the youtube platform if every individual person or corporate entity had to like register who the owner of every channel is and you basically couldn't have one if you don't register. Was Google Circles

1:32:22Linus Sebastian:just way ahead of its time? I think it kind of was a little bit. I don't think commenting users should have to. But uploading.

1:32:31Luke Lafreniere:Interesting. BlueStrike says it could still get bypassed. I don't know. Yeah, there's a bypass for anything, but I'm just, this is more of a hypothetical conversation because I think generally kind of pro-internet freedom people like us have generally been on the side of like, no, anonymity is our God-given right as users of the internet.

1:32:53Linus Sebastian:I think ultimately, I think it would take away some of the magic that is YouTube.

1:32:57Luke Lafreniere:But like Facebook Marketplace was really good for a very short period of time because it was all real verified people doing real verified-ish deals.

1:33:09Linus Sebastian:I think it could, because I'm trying to think like, you know, if a whistleblower comes out, they might use youtube as a platform to make sure that their message yeah sure goes far so like i don't necessarily want to you don't want to harm that but maybe there's a hybrid model where like you get a little bit elevated more or something if you go through the verification as soon as

1:33:28Luke Lafreniere:there's a crack in the armor though the spammers will find a way into it yeah

1:33:35Linus Sebastian:yeah but think about old twitter the verified tag actually did matter that's true like actually it's like so worthless now oh it literally means nothing now yeah it means i want monetization i will probably be more spammy than most other people on this platform yeah that's what that means to me at this point but it used to mean something it was a very frustrating twitter verified check marks used to mean something they did though i mean they did yeah do we have any i'm gonna i'm gonna look there was one on the back of your laptop for a while but i think we switched laptops and i i hated them and like because i remember there was a there was an there was an account that was impostering me and then being super racist do you remember that oh yeah i do remember that um and they wouldn't shut it down because they wouldn't verify me for like i don't even remember the reason it was just stupid and then eventually they were open to verifying me and I just said no because I was like salty about it so I'm not saying the system was perfect considering there was an account that had my profile picture and would auto update to my profile picture if I changed it, my banner, same deal, and all of my tweets immediately after I sent them and then also inserted racist ones and I proved all of this and they were like, oh yeah we

1:35:02Luke Lafreniere:can't tell who's the real one so i don't know we're gonna leave it up nice yeah you know what's funny is my personal twitter is also not verified because i was just like no yeah it's a bigger chad move if like i don't care you're verified because you just like are you boom got him i don't need a check mark to be verified i was like way ahead of the it's not cool to be verified curve yeah i forget when they offered me verification but it was like before the takeover and i was like no yeah i did the same thing and it's just like it's dumb like to be clear that's stupid it doesn't matter at no point in time did it matter but i i just liked it but it was still fun i liked being not verified yeah and then i put a little globe there because it was

1:35:52Linus Sebastian:just blue and then uh somebody i don't remember who said i was some form of political thing because apparently that became a political movement and i put the globe there like years before that became a thing but then i got bundled in with that so i mean do that something was like

1:36:10Luke Lafreniere:who knows like the the symbolism of what like whoever's doing like like oh yeah kate middleton was wearing this color which shows solidarity with the f*** are you talking about how do you possibly know like what we're celebrating this month and like what color but what this color represents today it's like i i hold on okay i'm trying i don't know what red is definitely

1:36:36Linus Sebastian:something because apple did a red iphone at some point it's blood and it means that you support um

1:36:45Luke Lafreniere:this is breast cancer i think sure this is the breast cancer screwdriver yeah oh yeah

1:36:51Linus Sebastian:Yeah, communism. There you go.

1:36:53Luke Lafreniere:Oh, stop.

1:36:59Luke Lafreniere:Port Studio Virtuous says that any Xbox Series S60 FPS game can be easily ported to the Switch 2. They've ported many games over the last couple decades, or at least helped, including Heavy Rain, Horizon Zero Dawn, Cyberpunk 2077, and COD Modern Warfare 3. You might have heard of some of those. and they are aware that the Switch 2 is the fastest selling console of all time thanks to the improved hardware and software they're confident that anything running well on an Xbox Series S will run well on a Switch that's hilarious I sincerely doubt what Microsoft had in mind when they released a less powerful version of this generation console to the ire of many game developers who all of a sudden had to build two stupid performance profile targets for the lesser selling console, this stupid generation that they would be just creating a path for relatively quick and easy cross-platform optimization of the Xbox Series S version over to the Switch, which is one that actually sells.

1:38:05Luke Lafreniere:I'm sure that's not what they had in mind. Uh-oh. Okay. Thank you, Dan. That's very helpful.

1:38:19Luke Lafreniere:But I guess my question is, how important do you really feel that third-party game support is to the Switch 2? Personally, I don't think important almost at all. I mean, apparently it was a big deal on the Switch, though. So many developers ported.

1:38:32Linus Sebastian:Yeah, it might be a user-based thing. I don't know. Like, I just don't get it. It seems unimportant to me.

1:38:37Luke Lafreniere:It is not the reason why I buy the console. Me neither. But then, I mean, I asked my son this, too. When he ultimately chose the Switch 2, I was like, okay, look. But if you didn't have a gaming PC, would you have gone with the PCs? Like, yeah. So like, wait, no, that just proves my point. Yeah, we buy Nintendo games to play Nintendo games. If we didn't have something else, then we wouldn't buy a Switch. Yeah, you'd probably, yeah, what would you get first though? It wouldn't be a Nintendo, I don't think.

1:39:06Linus Sebastian:It'd be a computer, yeah.

1:39:07Luke Lafreniere:I don't know, I was reading an article from someone that was like, yeah, I'm not sure if Mario, Mario Kart World is a great game, but I haven't put it down since the Switch came out. and I'm just like, really? Like you've played nothing but Mario Kart World for the last month? I've seen some people say that they've really found the grinding and like the new mechanics like really, really engaging, but man, I just didn't.

1:39:28Linus Sebastian:I don't. You know what? I'm genuinely happy for them that they like it. It's just, it's not my game.

1:39:37Oops.

1:39:38Linus Sebastian:Oh no. Oh no. Don't forget to monetize my death At least you don't have to laugh with a lisp Sorry, cough with a lisp

1:39:48Luke Lafreniere:Get over here

1:39:52Luke Lafreniere:Whoops Ow Donkey Kong Bonanza looks good though When does it come out? Soon, I think

1:40:05Linus Sebastian:Is 007 only on Switch?

1:40:08Luke Lafreniere:I don't know

1:40:10Linus Sebastian:Game Switch 2. What's the name of it even?

1:40:14Luke Lafreniere:Donkey Kong is Thursday, they said?

1:40:17Linus Sebastian:First Light. First Light, is that what it's called? Can I help you? I'm trying to figure out if the upcoming 007 game is on not Switch.

1:40:32Luke Lafreniere:Okay, well, you figure that out. The Creator Warehouse team has reacted to Shift Fashion Group.

1:40:38Linus Sebastian:Everything, okay.

1:40:41Luke Lafreniere:I'm just going to fire this up here. We uploaded this on LMG Clips, which is the place to go to check out WAN Clips as well. If you don't feel like sitting through the whole WAN show, I don't blame you. It is a cool hangout, but it's pretty long.

1:40:54Linus Sebastian:Yeah, we needed somewhere to put this. It didn't really make a ton of sense on Short Circuit or LTT, so here it is. Here it is.

1:41:01Luke Lafreniere:So you guys can go check that out. In summary, we agree with some of it. we don't necessarily agree with all of it and there are design constraints around the creation of our products that um you know not every brand might deal with and some also do and uh i thought

1:41:22Linus Sebastian:the original critique video was cool i also thought this was really cool it was really cool for me to hear some of the reasons especially personally i found the the cargo pants the reasons around the pockets and stuff was like, oh yeah, that's pretty sweet. Do we explain that on the site? I'm not sure. Is that something that we would even really want to explain? I'm not sure. I think it's a bit much. Yeah. I wasn't really sure when I was watching it of like, is this something we should communicate more or not?

1:41:52Luke Lafreniere:I don't expect everybody to agree with our thought process, but what I can say is there's always a thought process, if that makes sense. Yeah. And sometimes the thought process is I really like cotton poly blends. Sure. We do have some all cotton shirts coming. Yeah. I don't personally find that the hand feel is particularly better and they will shrink more. So like, sure. Some people are into that and that's totally cool. Some people will only wear an all cotton shirt and I totally respect that. We're going to have some all cotton shirts coming. But it's not my preference. Yeah. So yeah. Cool.

1:42:31Luke Lafreniere:add an explanation in FAQ. Yeah, I don't know that people are frequently asking that question. I really, I honestly don't think they are either. Anyway, you guys should go check out the response.

1:42:43Luke Lafreniere:Belkin. Now that's her name I've not heard in a long time. Belkin sent out an email alerting customers that it will be ending support for older WeMo products effective January 31st, 2026. In reality, this is most WeMo products because support for the WeMo app will be discontinued at the same time, along with all features that require cloud connectivity. Wemo products configured for use with Apple HomeKit before January 31st, 2026 will continue to function via HomeKit in the absence of the Wemo app and Wemo cloud services. This does not impact Wemo's thread-based products, all four of them, which will also continue to function through HomeKit.

1:43:23Luke Lafreniere:Belkin is offering partial refunds for some products if your Wemo product would still be under warranty on or after January 31st. See belkin.com slash wemo for details. And our discussion question is, is it time for stop killing smart hardware to go along with stop killing games? And I think the answer is yes. If you are not going to engineer your product in such a way that it can continue to work when you pull your support, that is on you. Two, that is not on the customer who bought the product based on the promises that you made about its functionality. I was actually explaining Stop Killing Video Games to my dad, who was in town visiting.

1:44:09Luke Lafreniere:And he was like, yeah, I tuned into your Wayne show or whatever you call it. And I saw you talking about, like, killing games. And it actually took me a little while to figure out what he was talking about. He was not super technical, but, you know, he's trying to tune in and, you know. Sure, no, that's cool. Yeah, he's getting the lay of the land. And that's cool. That's cool. I respect it. Anyway, he's like, so you're talking about game killing or something. And I'm like, okay, hold on a second. Oh, right. Stop killing games. And he kind of goes, yeah, it seems like it's bad, but can you kind of put it in simpler terms for me?

1:44:41Luke Lafreniere:And, you know, if you're not familiar with all the lingo, I understand the way that we present stuff sometimes can be a little bit overwhelming. And so what I came up with for him and that really seemed to kind of land was I was like, okay, well, look at it this way. okay so the game you know when i was a kid right when you bought a video game it was on a cartridge and the whole game was on there and if you wanted to play that game you put it into the machine and that was it that way you had the game if you own the machine you own the cartridge you own the game it's yours forever you can use it any way you want and he kind of goes yeah okay and i go okay well that's not really how things work anymore now when you buy a game some of the features or in some cases, all of the features of that game rely on the maker of that game to have their server interacting with your game machine in order for them to run.

1:45:30Luke Lafreniere:And so you're basically at the mercy of them to keep that running forever. Now, we can't tell them, okay, well, you just have to run your server forever. I mean, how long is reasonable? A year, 10 years, 100 years, 1 ,000 years? You can't tell a company to run a server for 1 ,000 years. That doesn't make any sense, right? so i understand that maybe those those functions um might not work forever but what's clear is that we have a problem then because imagine if this was anything else that you bought so i was like okay your pants right they come with they come with pockets with zippers okay and then all of a sudden i the manufacturer of your pants go okay those pants you've been using them for five years you bought them because you really like pockets with zippers yeah you're still gonna have the pockets but they don't have zippers anymore well that's that's f***ed up and he's like oh yeah yeah that's that's pretty f***ed up that's uh that's not very good and it's like that's the problem here because i'm not actually i'm not trying to drive companies out of business i'm not trying to say like hey video game makers hey smart hardware makers you should just you should just be legally obligated to support everything forever until you just collapse under the weight of your of your legacy

1:46:48Linus Sebastian:product stack it's also a little bit of a difficult argument because like in your exact example about the zippers yeah thing uh like if we look at floatplane if floatplane has a feature but we think that it should work in a slightly different way or like this is this is a feature of a pocket you haven't removed the pocket you're just changing the way that you access and secure the pocket maybe it has a button now yeah so like it's it's tough and like we have to be able to change things you can't you can't be in a situation where you release a website or a service and it has to stay in the exact same state it always is that's obviously stupid so like the the line gets a little bit funky because as we talked about looking at like an mmo patches versus expansions Yep.

1:47:33Luke Lafreniere:And even things like back to smart hardware now, like my Sonos speakers. I invested heavily in the Sonos ecosystem because I loved the integration with Google Play Music. It was the best. I've never seen anything before or since that has been as seamless as that. I could literally be listening to music in my car or on my earphones and I could just pull up my phone, press the cast button, like Google's like Chromecast cast button, and then I'd just go this speaker, this speaker, this speaker, go. And it would just start streaming to my Sonos speakers. And then Sonos and Google went at it and now the products, you can still use them together.

1:48:17Luke Lafreniere:you go in the Sonos app and then you go to your Google stupid YouTube music thing. And then you go to your search and then you find a thing and like your, guess your playlist is in there, but it just, it just, it sucks. It just sucks. And I just want them to fix it. Yeah. But that's not something that I could, I can't say like, Hey, you know, it doesn't work exactly the way that I used to like it. Therefore I want a refund. I don't think that's reasonable either because I can stream my YouTube music over my sonos we've had people do that with flow plan and we've just approved it

1:48:52Linus Sebastian:approved what whatever they're like hey uh you guys we've literally had someone complain about the new general user experience design that we did with the sidebar changing and stuff oh really they're like i hate this a lot and we were like well okay they're like i want my money back and I was like, okay. Oh, all right. See ya.

1:49:14Luke Lafreniere:Well, okay.

1:49:15Linus Sebastian:We're not trying to trap people.

1:49:16Luke Lafreniere:But like, that's different. We're a subscription service. No, for sure.

1:49:19Linus Sebastian:It makes it a lot easier.

1:49:20Luke Lafreniere:Like if I wanted to cancel my last month of YouTube music, I think that's one thing. But in the case of hardware, it's not that simple. Yeah. And it can be a whole ecosystem.

1:49:29Linus Sebastian:This is where the conversation gets pretty deep because there's so many different types of sites and services and apps and products and

1:49:41Luke Lafreniere:i think just forcing them to go open source then

1:49:46Linus Sebastian:if you won't support it what's the what's the line because if you won't support what is like a really important part of this conversation if i play a video game that has guns in it and my gun gets nerfed and it sucks now talking now and no but like let's say they're like oh this gun's overpowered let's lower the damage stat and the handling stat you bought it because you loved playing with that gun yeah and i'm like well you need to support a game with multiplayer for the the patch that has my gun being good is like bro yeah it's impossible yeah so like and but then that's like at what point in time are we ship of theseia saying this thing like if all these mmos that are releasing expansions that completely convert the entire game just doesn't call them expansions anymore and calls them patches because a lot of people a lot of these companies don't even charge for the expansions anymore so like like it's you we know thoroughly that places will detect what the rules are and work around them i

1:50:44Luke Lafreniere:think with physical products it does get a little bit simpler my sonos one is super muddy but in the case of like belkin and wemo here i think this one's pretty clear but in terms of like exactly where the line is? No, you're right. It's very difficult to say. Really tough. And it's going to end up probably being different in every different jurisdiction. Like, it's going to get messy, man. It's going to get messy. Crystal says, if you don't want to support

1:51:05Linus Sebastian:the servers anymore, offer them to the players. Yeah, sure. But that's not what I was talking about, right? They are still supporting the servers. They're just supporting the servers for a patched version of the game.

1:51:15Luke Lafreniere:It's a different hypothetical. We kind of moved pretty fast through them there. We did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, you can act now to keep Gemini out of your third-party apps. Source ours Technica, starting Monday, July 7th, Google implemented changes enabling its Gemini AI engine to interact with third-party apps like WhatsApp, even when users previously configured their settings to block such interactions. Google recently sent out an email informing users of the change, framing it as a positive move that will make it easier for Gemini to access phone messages, WhatsApp, and utilities, regardless of whether your Gemini apps activity is on or off.

1:51:47Luke Lafreniere:A notification page linked in the email states that human reviewers, including service providers read, annotate, and process the data that Gemini accesses. Yikes. The email provides no useful guidance for preventing the changes from taking effect. The email said users can block the apps that Gemini interacts with, but even in those cases, data is stored for 72 hours. Okay, so last week, we took a little bit of light flack for saying that Apple being hypocritical is really, really bad and not also calling out just how Google is like really, really bad in those ways, but he's just honest about it.

1:52:27Luke Lafreniere:So here we go. Here's where we talk about Google being pretty f***ed up right now and this not being okay. This is way worse than Apple sending an ad for some stupid movie that they bankrolled.

1:52:39Linus Sebastian:Sorry, I might be misinterpreting this, but the email said users can block the apps that Gemini interacts with, but even in those cases, data is stored for 72 hours. So that's not true? You can't block the apps. I'm not sure 100 % what they mean by that.

1:52:54Luke Lafreniere:I'm not sure what that means. So I wouldn't overthink it right now.

1:52:56Linus Sebastian:Okay. Because I want to block this now.

1:53:02Linus Sebastian:This sucks. This is wild.

1:53:09Linus Sebastian:I hope they get... If this is true to the words that are in the doc, I hope they get crushed in court for this. This is insane.

1:53:16Luke Lafreniere:Let me make sure we get you guys an update on this next week. I'm just going to flag this at

1:53:27Luke Lafreniere:Okay, here we go. Can we keep abreast of this situation and keep providing when show viewers with updates? This is crazy. Okay, I have assigned. I have assigned.

1:53:41Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I want to see how this develops. I think we're like We're pretty early on this right now.

1:53:45Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, so there could be details that we've got not quite right, and maybe Google will back down on this. Let's hope that both of those things are true. Yes, true.

1:54:00Luke Lafreniere:Finally, Twitter co-founder Jack Dorsey posted on Twitter saying that his weekend project to learn about Bluetooth mesh networks and related technology is BitChat, a decentralized peer-to-peer messaging app that works entirely over Bluetooth. While the tagline is secure mesh chat, a notice in the GitHub readme warrants that the app is a work in progress and that private messages and channel features have not received an external security review and may contain vulnerabilities. The disclaimers were apparently added after researcher Alex Radossia demonstrated a man-in-the-middle attack that would allow an imposter to impersonate a user through BitChat's favorite system.

1:54:35Cool.

1:54:36Luke Lafreniere:Anyway, it's an offline chat network that's limited to a very small geographic area with simple functions. Sounds kind of cool. It's like, it reminds me of... I already have these that don't use Bluetooth.

1:54:50Linus Sebastian:They just use other stuff.

1:54:51Luke Lafreniere:Was it a carrier or something that used to have like a walkie-talkie feature? Or was that a phone manufacturer? Was it Motorola? I think that was a phone. Do you know, Dan? I can't remember. It was a thing, though. I think it was a phone. If you were like sitting on the same plane together, you could like chat with each other. I remember that. It apparently was Motorola. Nextel, Nokia. Okay, apparently there were a few folks that had done stuff like that. So yeah, look at that. We reinvented that. Yeah.

1:55:20Linus Sebastian:And there's like... Good job, Jack Dorsey. There's definitely stuff for this that's like actually really good and you can set up your own static networks for it and stuff. Yeah, FirePanda says it's basically Briar then. Yeah. There's like a lot of... Good job, though. I hope Blue Sky is going well. Yeah. See ya. Alright Dan, time for After Dark, let's go

1:55:43Luke Lafreniere:Okie doke I was unprepared

1:55:52Luke Lafreniere:Enter to After Dark My tongue is so sore You didn't even let me do topics for you The bite block I could have saved you The bite block's not smooth It's textured So every time my tongue brushes against it Why? It's quite uncomfortable until my tongue is raw.

1:56:12Linus Sebastian:Was it textured because your teeth keep impacting it?

1:56:15Luke Lafreniere:No. It's just textured.

1:56:23Linus Sebastian:Charged nuclei in chat said what I was thinking. Definitely not. All right.

1:56:33Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I'm not repeating that. Question for Duke and Dynas. what was your scariest scrapyard wars encounter definitely finding the crack pipe

1:56:45Linus Sebastian:oh man i'm trying to think was it over budget or what or no no my scariest

1:56:52Luke Lafreniere:um my scariest scrapyard wars was definitely when we killed our motherboard right before testing when we did the one with bob and rod and we never really proper showed how the fix worked that was wild like it wasn't in the episode by the way that motherboard oh that's right you have it that's hilarious so we had to like jump her off the fan header to something or something i don't even i still don't actually understand why it worked i was stunned yeah it's actually crazy because like the board like like made fire yeah and then i like plugged that header into like another header and then it like worked or something which i don't even really know how you thought of i i mean it was a time of desperation loop.

1:57:35Linus Sebastian:Yeah. And then it worked for like a decade. Amazing. I don't know. I don't know if I had I mean there's a lot of scary moments in regards to if we were going to have something or not.

1:57:54Linus Sebastian:But like I don't think I ever really had you know terrible interactions with people that were selling me things or anything like that. I think it's been fine. Yeah.

1:58:04Luke Lafreniere:Hey Linus, what got you into badminton and any tips for anyone who wants to pick it up as a hobby? Thanks a million for this killer lime day and the keyboard bonus will make the girlfriend happy, colon capital D. Heck yeah. Nice. Um, a couple things. I enjoyed it in high school. Like I just found it fun. Um, and then I never played again until I met Yvonne and her parents had some badminton equipment. And like there was a group that included her parents' friends that played at like the gym of a local church. And so we started going there and playing. And some of the older players were kind of nice and took us under their wing and sort of showed us some of the basics.

1:58:40And kind of the rest was history.

1:58:43Luke Lafreniere:I think it's a really complete sport is the way that I describe it. It works out your whole body, your dominant side a little bit more than your not dominant side because, like, it's a racket sport. You know, it's what it is.

1:58:54Linus Sebastian:We've been discovering that with little men.

1:58:56Luke Lafreniere:Yep. So it works out your whole body. and to really excel at it you need speed stamina um reflexes strength a bit of flexibility yeah flexibility um brains like you you their strategy very deep strategy um yeah it's just it's a it's a fantastic sport i love it good with plyometrics too it's good with fat fascial movements um great sport yeah basically the entire time you're doing hit which is pretty cool um yeah it's great um any tips for people who want to pick it up as a hobby find a friend group basically every single time and it doesn't there's no room to be shy i used to be too shy to ask people to play if you want to network you can't be shy so you just have to go to places where people are playing whether it's community centers um or like finding online groups this is something that i had to go through twice in my life once to build my group locally and then again to build a group of players in taiwan because i go there once a year and i play badminton when i go um so you gotta you just have to go put yourself out there if you see someone who's kind of at your level you know don't impose on the really strong players if you're still a beginner like they might be nice and play with you but you're really like messing up their groove um if there's a huge skill disparity so try and find people who are like kind of close to the same level and then get contact info try to create a regular group go to the same place play at the same time every week so you can make it part of your routine because anything that you don't make part of your routine is not going to help you it's so easy to bail on a fitness program but when you have a group that will help hold you accountable it becomes so much easier and it becomes so much more enjoyable and rewarding as you guys build each other up and make each other into stronger players over time so that would be the biggest thing is build your rolodex you got to do it because otherwise it's just not going to last Kyle asks how long do we have the version of Linus for um this bad until Monday morning I called the ortho I said look I need these bite blocks out I can't talk and I talk for a living um as for the train tracks I think it's probably going to be about a year i think the top's not too bad but the bottom's pretty rough question for mr tech tips y 'all did a collab with delta hub for the ldt edition capri capio carpio 2.0 why not carry it on y 'all store as well as theirs oh it's a good question if i had to guess i'd say it just comes down to the margin structure like they're a direct-to-consumer brand so um them i assume they paid us money for the co-branding opportunity so then if they're they also had to sell us the product at a reduced rate from retail then they'd be giving us a disproportionate amount of the margin on the product would be my best guess but i'm completely guessing though um first wanshow message long time floatplane member what was your first reach out to sponsor like when you first started youtube videos ncix ldt was it difficult or awkward Yeah, super awkward.

2:02:16Luke Lafreniere:That first CES was wild, man. Like I was desperately trying to get any meeting that I could. People didn't really understand YouTube sponsorship. It was all like traditional written advertising at that time.

2:02:32Luke Lafreniere:Whether it was the right thing to do or not, I heavily leveraged the contacts that I had made at NCIX to try to...

2:02:43Thank you.

2:02:46Linus Sebastian:Somebody told me Dan did that. I didn't know. Press yours. Yeah.

2:02:53Luke Lafreniere:I thought you guys noticed. I noticed his. I had no idea.

2:02:57Linus Sebastian:I haven't seen mine yet. Sorry. I had no clue. I wasn't trying to derail you. I just wanted to test it because I didn't even believe it at first. It turns out it was true. Sorry about that. Keep going.

2:03:12Luke Lafreniere:Anyway. as a buyer um you know i i had contacts at various tech companies but they were like in sales not marketing so i tried to kind of again it comes down to networking i tried to build my network and just kind of lay out like why you should sponsor us and um like i think our first product was just those quick like pre-rolls or what was it no our first product was just sponsoring our trip to ces at all we wouldn't have even been able to go i didn't have that kind of money um and so i think it was uh corsair seagate and linksys i want to say so that basically just came down to like my buddy oh yeah that was weird anyhow can't tell that whole story yeah no i don't think that would be best um but yeah those were the main ones and what those companies all have in common which is hilarious is like one guy brad hutchinson has worked at all of them at some point or another.

2:04:11Luke Lafreniere:Shout out Brad. Because breaking down the barriers of bureaucracy to get someone to do something that's out of the normal is hard. It's really easy for someone in marketing to just renew their quarterly spend with the people they already work with. It's really hard to shift that bucket around, especially to something that has KPIs that are measured in a completely different way and where you have to say - else is really doing and we have to say oh sorry to you know a long time partner that you've been supporting right like it comes back to the whole uh you know intel's thing for a long time or was it ibm no one ever got fired for buying something who is that again i forget was it ibm yeah or it was either ibm or intel it's easy to do the safe thing it was ibm yeah uh ibm says uh charged nuclei and chat yeah exactly so like no one ever got fired for just continuing to do the ad buy that they always did that was, I guess, effective enough or something.

2:05:12Luke Lafreniere:Whereas when you make a radical change, yeah, you can get in trouble for that. So yeah, no, people have stuck their neck out for me. I appreciate that. Dear elves, when you play Towerfall, do you ever play the co-op mode? You've mentioned playing Towerfall a few times, so if you haven't, try co-op. Glad this black pack isn't all black. Yeah, I haven't actually tried co-op. I've only ever tried versus it. In fact, I thought it was one of those games like Nidhogg where it just doesn't even work. I had no idea there was a co-op mode.

2:05:42Linus Sebastian:I just looked it up.

2:05:44Luke Lafreniere:Is it like a campaign or something? I have no idea. Four player co-op gameplay. What am I looking at? You take out baddies or what? Uh huh.

2:06:01Linus Sebastian:That looks like 2v2. Oh it's by four player co-op they probably mean 2v2.

2:06:07Luke Lafreniere:No. This isn't co-op. What the hell? Okay, well, fine. Sure. Well, we'll figure it out. That's not what

2:06:17Linus Sebastian:co-op is supposed to mean. No, one or two player co-op quest mode. Towerfall Ascension. Oh. Okay. Neato. And they say specifically a brand new one or two player co-op quest mode. I'm down.

2:06:38Luke Lafreniere:Sweet. We'll have to try that sometime when we're not playing tape to tape. That's going to be tough. That'll be pretty tough right now. Next bike painting, I guess. Oh, I heard from the devs. Hold on. Let me just make sure I don't get this wrong. So I complained about the interface issues with multiple players, and they were like, yeah, we've never really tried more than 2v2, so that makes sense. um and then um they said that it's going to be a little while before they can get that fixed probably um oh i don't want to commit them to anything i'm not committing them to anything yeah yeah yeah we can work around it'll be a little while but not that long cool um sounds good and then i was telling them uh the keyboard requirement sucks so they're gonna look into that as well uh we tried 5v5 for the first time ever in tape to tape which is this uh roguelite hockey game that we've been playing um i might as well just bring it up on screen so this is what it looks like basically it's like a like a hard fight and hard farting uh top down style hockey game like you played back in the 90s but with no rules and um a lot of hits and throwing sticks and all kinds of wild stuff a ton of fun in its current form it's still very early access and And there's still...

2:07:58Luke Lafreniere:It's gone a long way to go, especially with how ambitious they're being about the game. But yeah, Luke and I were...

2:08:06Linus Sebastian:At this point, they literally could have just done a few small polishing touches to what they originally had, fully released the game... As tape-to-tape one. And then just made tape-to-tape two. And I don't think literally anyone would have batted an eye. Yeah. Because it is so incredibly transformative what they're doing. Like, what a wild, yeah, sure.

2:08:28Luke Lafreniere:It's been fun to be part of the journey, regardless of what form it ends up being released in. 100%. Absolutely awesome. Basically, people are asking what did they change, and what they changed is that this whole campaign system, where you, like, are a hockey player, and you're, this is old.

2:08:46Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

2:08:47Luke Lafreniere:Where you're a hockey player, and you're, like, taking hockey back from the big bad golfers or whatever. this whole like campaign seems to be dead in the latest versions of early access which like i actually really liked yeah yeah and i'm not saying the new ones like worse i don't think it is i think it's i think it's going to be better once they fine-tune everything it seems like they're overall headed in a cool direction yeah but but this was also really good and could have easily been tape to tape one um i agree with you to the point where it's it's like so substantially

2:09:17Linus Sebastian:different that i think similar to sieve i would have had fun playing both yeah yeah

2:09:22Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, we might have done a tape-to-tape run this day. Let's try the OG version or whatever. We'll play some tape-to-tape two the next day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, earlier this week, our softball night got rained out. And so I recruited a handful of people from softball night, a handful of people from elsewhere. And we did the first ever in the world, including by the developers. They've never actually tried it. Five v. five human teams. So 10-player tape-to-tape. dude it was awesome oh cool elijah actually streamed it there's a vod somewhere nice nice dude it was it was awesome there's a lot of issues like the um all right the sports teams are really poorly balanced they're like way too fast and they're like way overpowered they're all like ovr 90 which is oh wow which i mean i already feel even with the not too powerful teams the the

2:10:16Linus Sebastian:rink is a little bit small but i find the the game is best like midway through yeah yeah agreed um

2:10:22Luke Lafreniere:so there's definitely issues one player has to play with a keyboard we managed to find this like uh joystick to keyboard like controller to keyboard mapping thing but we found all kinds of issues with just the identity of that controller not being recognized properly i mean you got 10 controllers connected to the system which is already kind of an edge case um so it didn't really work so elijah went back to playing with a controller um yeah the menu slash selecting was bad but we like kind of we kind of figured it out and it was an absolute blast so i kind of wanted to try and get it going again after when show today but i don't know if we're going to be able to recruit enough people we'll certainly try um the dev said though that 3v3 is apparently the kind of the sweet spot that they've found for versus anyway um and it's definitely worth worth playing it's pretty fun um what else did they say uh oh yeah i told them that um imo checking needs to get a little easier but they could counter by making this dagger for the checker a little longer so that it kind of punishes you for checking too much it i definitely prefer the

2:11:26Linus Sebastian:old system i don't know i also understand that the old system was kind of like really op yep so

2:11:32Luke Lafreniere:there's got to be a downside to just throwing the body all the time sure like i could even see them having a risk of injury checking someone else. Like when you play a super physical game, like you're an Alex Ovechkin or something like that, there's a reason that players like Eric Lindros run into a lot of injuries in their careers. Although Lindros was a bit of a special case, but just those super physical power forward type players, they do tend to get injured. Sometimes when they are throwing the body against someone else, I should probably also give that feedback. Oh no, I think I already gave the feedback that injuries need to be short though.

2:12:03Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I was going to say, injuries right now are weight. I think they're too punishing and they're too long. They're working on that. I think the impact should be low.

2:12:10Luke Lafreniere:But yeah, they're working on a lot of tweaks to the formula right now. They're working hard. This is their first game apparently, which I think is crazy. Excellent rectangle.

2:12:19Linus Sebastian:Incredibly good for a first game. Kind of mind-bogglingly good for a first game. I think the bench also needs some work. There's like, yeah. They're cooking. They had a complete game.

2:12:32Luke Lafreniere:I know. I know. They're cooking. Let them cook. All right, what else is going on? What is the logistics of this? Did you all find a spare parts box in the back of the shelf from the LTX? Oh, they're talking about the mix and matches. I think it's a combination of that, because we do still have a bunch of random mishmash bits left over. And also, I think we shot some new parts so that we'd have enough inventory. Don't quote me on that, but that's my understanding of how the mystery screwdriver came to be. another element of it is that um discounting is a bit of a double-edged sword on the one hand you make the people who buy it with the discount extremely happy on the other hand you make the people who bought everything at full price extremely unhappy if you create a different product with a different value proposition in this case it's a product where you get a random color then you're far less likely to upset someone who bought it for 69.99 a week ago if you have this available for 49.99 because at least they got the color that they intended so it's always a balancing act um but i think it's a combination of those factors hello luke linus and dan linus i'm a father-to-be what are some movies tvs games that you couldn't wait to share with your kids oh man i'll say this the ones that you kind of hoped that they would enjoy put your expectations aside um just trying to think like the stuff that you enjoyed as a kid is probably not going to resonate with them like i really wanted my kids to like final fantasy 6 but the ones that they actually picked up on like my son played through crosscode because he saw me doing it and if i'm being honest like it's a way better game than final fantasy 6 because it's way more fast-paced and the characterization is fewer characters but is really good really really strong like it's almost like art a lot of the time does improve over time um

2:14:36Luke Lafreniere:yeah so i'd say maybe don't worry too much about it and find new things that you guys can enjoy at the same time i think those are the ones that have gone the best you know what's pretty cool though my son finally likes to play catch oh i wanted someone to just throw the ball around with for so long and this is even more exciting my daughters are into it because they've seen him do it and they've come to like work softball nights and stuff that's cool they want to play catch they can't really throw hard enough to get like a satisfying like game like just like like throw and catch you know thing going sure he can he can he can even put a bit of a curve on it now which is fine nice that's cool yeah so um so that's that's very satisfying for me it's just like it's it's a weird like sensory thing but there's like there's just something about like a like a hardball i don't really i don't really love throwing the softball as much as i I love throwing the hard ball.

2:15:35Luke Lafreniere:Like a hard ball landing right in the pocket. Like, oh.

2:15:40Linus Sebastian:Baseball is like one of the very few sports I didn't play when I was a kid. And I, at zero points in time, ever thought I would be interested in being a quarterback. Never really into throwing. So, I don't know. It just feels good. It's like I used to do these things called sports days in the summers where we'd just go out to the field with a bunch of random sports equipment and just do stuff. Yeah, yeah. And we'd end up, you know, throwing footballs back and forth or whatever doing that. And it's fine. It's a good, like, I want to be outdoors and do a thing activity.

2:16:10Luke Lafreniere:I don't find catching the football nearly as satisfying. There's something about the sound of the ball and the leather and just like, ah, it's good. Yeah, it's good. Hey, WANgame.dll. Question for Linus. What pool control panel did you have installed? And have you played around with any of the Wi-Fi features, if any? I wouldn't recommend whatever I have. I don't know if it's because of them or if it's because of our unskilled installer. Maybe this is an opportunity for someone to reach out to our public-facing emails. If you happen to work for Jandy and you want to fix my shit at some point, it's still a clusterf**k, so totally open to that.

2:16:51Luke Lafreniere:I think our autofill in the hot tub still doesn't work, so we just have to go out with the hose periodically and just make sure that the pump isn't sucking air, which is kind of stupid in the year 2025 i think first world problem obviously but like yeah like topping up water like my toilet can top up water are you like fucking kidding me right now like what are we talking about did you have a second company come in and do a good job i can't remember what happened they did a bad job too okay because i was gonna ask for a recommend nope great great hey will there be more lime day deals tomorrow and sunday will the current deals just persist as is until monday i actually don't know i know that throughout alas nick i know that throughout lime day uh we did plan to add deal drops i just don't know if this is the last one um stay tuned it's Slenday!

2:17:52Yeah!

2:17:55Luke Lafreniere:Why are AMD drivers still trash? What? Recently bought a new RX 7600 on a deal here in Portugal, and AMD Catalyst keeps crashing. Only resolved when installed the basic driver. That doesn't sound right. I literally daily drive AMD right now, and it's mostly fine.

2:18:10Linus Sebastian:I was going to say, I've heard they've been pretty good for quite a while.

2:18:13Luke Lafreniere:You may have a defective card. you should definitely uh you should also definitely ddu and or even reformat before you conclude that you have defective hardware but if your drivers are crashing and only resolved with a basic driver like the included windows driver you may have bad hardware you could have a bad power supply as well hi dll auto mechanic here boss is floating the idea of using metaglasses for videos of the courtesy checks any good arguments against it honestly that sounds kind of smart um

2:18:51Luke Lafreniere:yeah it sounds kind of smart like um there's been so many times in my life when i wish i'd like kind of logged what i was doing like while working on like like fixing something because like sometimes you'll just you'll like have something happen you'll be like oh oh oh man okay how can i replicate this no whereas like if you're like just logging a check that you're doing on a customer's car man that's it's such a great tool for like showing them okay yeah like here's where we found the problem um i kind of logging is fantastic in like the server and hosting world however your boss is also basically installing a surveillance tool on you oh right so any language you use or whatever, they can easily take that video file, throw it into a speech of text.

2:19:40Luke Lafreniere:It's recording audio too? I would assume so. I would argue that it's a privacy concern to record audio. In some places they can't. You can't. So if it can just record video, I think I'd be into it. If it can record audio, I would probably put my foot down if I were you. That's I think where I'm at on it. Why is the dock only available on the US site? I actually don't know that. Not a clue. It could be down to, because remember, that's not our product. So we don't determine like which markets it can or can't be sold into. So that's a Corsair product. If I had to guess, I'd say it has to do with a combination of either Corsair said that it's intended for a specific market, which could be down to warranty support or whatever else.

2:20:30Luke Lafreniere:That could be a possibility. another possibility could be that they are all at our u.s distribution hub what um we're really working hard on getting faster shipping times around the world and one of the first steps that we've taken is having a hub for some products in the u.s including that one um

2:20:56Luke Lafreniere:another guess would be that we don't have many of them so maybe we went for some of those at one DC and some of and and the other product at the other DC DC is distribution center not uh District of Columbia um those would be my three guesses but I don't actually know the answer hi question for Luke I saw you're going to open sauce so cool that's not a question what are you planning to talk about or show over there sending love from Argentina I think it's leisure is it work I don't think it's work it's for sure work what's work about it.

2:21:28Linus Sebastian:Sauce Plus. I don't buy it. I'll keep tabs on him. I'm not getting paid over the weekend if that helps you.

2:21:39Luke Lafreniere:Are you getting paid for WAN show from Sauce Plus? Your salary does f*** anyway. Sauce Plus, check it out. Yeah. Scare the Coyote Season 1. Yeah. And other stuff. And also building a real Gundam Day 4. This guy's such a mad lad.

2:21:59Linus Sebastian:Yeah, those episodes, you're getting them one day ahead on Sauce Plus, I believe is the terms. But yeah, I'm going down there. I'm hosting three different panels. I don't remember what they're all about.

2:22:12Luke Lafreniere:Free virtual ticket to OpenSauce 2025. Just$5.50 per month. Bill's yearly. Yeah. Ad-free viewing. Support creators directly. Sauce Plus, by the way, it's also powered by Flowplane. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty cool, right? Yeah. Check it out. William Osmond. Sauce.

2:22:34Linus Sebastian:The one panel that I remember the topic of is during industry day, so I don't think it's open to everybody, but it's if YouTube disappeared tomorrow, what would happen to your business? That's what you need. It should be fun. I don't know if they actually really planned the fact that I do Flow Plane and Sauce Plus for me being on the panel, but I was like, this is going to be great. I am in.

2:23:02Linus Sebastian:Sounds good. Yeah. So, yeah, it'll be good. It was good last year. It'll be good this year.

2:23:07Luke Lafreniere:Luke. I teach high school programming, and I'm going to teach the kids vibe coding. Bite me. We actually have a video coming up on this that I'm very excited about. I need a ladder system that I want to be ELO-based for badminton. Now, I could just hire someone to make that for me, but that would be a lot of work i could tell luke to give me one of his developers to do it for me but that would be crazy because they have better things to do so i came up with what i think is a brilliant idea you can't justify creating this elo system for my badminton club because it's you know not making money yet and also you know we have other things to do that are more important so i get that i get that i understand that but what if i needed a developer for a video for a video so i came up with a video and it's going to be me versus a real developer we're gonna let me we're gonna sick me on trying to vibe code an elo based like ranking system so that you can like input people's scores and it will like adjust their elo rating and blah blah blah whatever i've really given a ton of thought to how this is gonna work um and then we're gonna pit me against a real developer with the expected outcome right obviously we're not gonna we're not gonna we're not gonna like fake the results right but we do have a hypothesis with the expected outcome that being a real programmer is probably going to be better but that vibe coding will get me a lot further than i would get if you just like stuck me in a in a development environment yeah could

2:24:46Linus Sebastian:Could you explain Vibe Coding for the folks at home? Vibe Coding is asking AI to code for you. There you go.

2:24:56Luke Lafreniere:So Linus Vibe Coding, who has literally never written a functioning line of code in his life, versus a real programmer with all the tools that they have, including the ability to use AI if they want to. And there's effective applications.

2:25:10Linus Sebastian:like um emma built this tool for her old workplace um that was really helpful and it was based on google sheets and she vibe coded with an ai to make it actually happen and it's way better than

2:25:25Luke Lafreniere:what they had before so like i may be able to build something functional but part of the payoff for the video is going to be to have our real developer poke and prod at my thing and be like um okay well we've got a bug here we've got um an edge case that you haven't accounted for here we've got a security oh my god like i'm expecting it to not be very good we'll see but we'll see i mean maybe it'll be good enough and maybe that'll be an interesting outcome too either way what i really want out of it is the real product from the real developer and i'm just gonna pretend to vibe code it as best i can well i'm gonna i'm literally gonna do this i will do as best I can.

2:26:04Luke Lafreniere:But I'm just like... Have you done any of that yet?

2:26:09Linus Sebastian:Interesting, because as much as I was a little hesitant with the teacher saying that they were going to do that, there is things you can learn to do it better. There are skills to it. If it's actually a programming class... They might also just be messing with you. Maybe. So, I mean, take it as a hypothetical, yes, they are going to do that. Yeah. I mean if it's like a small segment because they're going to do it anyways so if you can like work with them to hopefully help them do it better a lot of people really use AI in to be blunt just dumb ways so if you can help them not that would be pretty cool I guess because again they're going to do it anyways AI literacy is apparently really bad in Canada I heard that on the CBC I'm pretty sure it's really bad everywhere.

2:27:04Linus Sebastian:I think particularly bad in Canada. How is that measured? I have no idea. They probably asked AI. Canada is not a country. Let's see. Your Canada jab in your Google yourself video was pretty good. I thought that was pretty funny.

2:27:23Luke Lafreniere:Important countries. And also Canada.

2:27:27Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

2:27:28Luke Lafreniere:I think we're nice enough, you know, but not particularly consequential. It also depends on the scenario and the time. Yeah, there was that convention we helped, right? Yeah. Next message. Hey. You were the one, right? Nice. Hey, Wanda DL. Why in bigger orders do you split the packages between two separate carriers? Uh, I don't know. Oh, we had some like issues for a bit. So maybe that's what you're talking about. Maybe. perhaps and last one i've got to you today why don't more people talk about the lack of drivers on windows for intel ssc or equivalent bluetooth le audio on broadcom more can actually be a huge problem living in apartments in big cities okay so um google thinks i mean intel ssd so let's go ahead and find out what you're talking about spread spectrum clocking oh okay like we do that for our Wi-Fi here in the office, I guess.

2:28:30Luke Lafreniere:Interesting. Okay, I'm going to confess that I was not super familiar with this because I've not tried to make my Bluetooth work really well in an apartment lately. Lack of drivers on Windows for it. I don't know. That's a really good question. And like I've run into like a super congested environment very recently when we were doing Natalie's AMD Ultimate Tech Upgrade that it was like a huge problem, not because necessarily everyone around her was transmitting, but because there were just so many SSIDs that her Wi-Fi wasn't working at all. No, it wasn't just the launcher. Like, we couldn't get anything working.

2:29:06Luke Lafreniere:Speed test wouldn't work. That part wasn't in the video, but it is a thing that we checked. I don't know. That's a really good question. I guess it should be a thing. Good point.

2:29:22Luke Lafreniere:That's all I got. That's it. See you again next week. same bad time same bad channel bye

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