Google’s Best Feature In Years - WAN Show June 5, 2026

13:39Luke Lafreniere:Google hasn't said whether they have any plans to adopt this according to Wired. But if you're an iPhone user, I would say that's the kind of thing that you might want to send Apple a friendly little poke and go, Hey, do you guys want to maybe support this? Because this legitimately seems like an essential feature. as we move into the future. Alright, you want to pick something essential from the doc? Oh boy, hold on, let me look for a second. He'll find something essential. You can't live without it, folks.

14:14Hmm...

14:18Linus Sebastian:I don't know. Oh, yes. Perfect. Perfect. After 22 years, You can finally download Paint.net from the URL Paint.net. Developer Rick Brewster has finally secured the Paint.net domain for his free image editor after the previous owners held it hostage for 22 freaking years. 22 years. For some reason. Either refusing to sell or demanding absurd amounts of money for a free application to be downloaded. The breakthrough came when they made a fatal mistake in December of 2025. they redesigned the site to look like the official Paint.net download page with fake links and ads. Brewster lawyered up one on copyright infringement and domain squatting and the domain is now his.

15:08Linus Sebastian:That is so freaking awesome. That's actually amazing.

15:13Luke Lafreniere:Okay, our discussion topic is, aside from Paint.net being based and free, freaking awesome. If you need a quick edit to an image, it has so many plugins head over to paint.net it's that easy that is actually so cool because it's been

15:29Linus Sebastian:he wants to do it he can't resist i did it earlier i did i did it one of the one of the biggest pains about like suggesting it to people ever has just been like i'm afraid you'll get scammed yeah yeah

15:42Luke Lafreniere:100 and okay but our discussion topic is going to be what's your other favorite they should really have the domain. Mine's gotta be Steam. The fact that Steam... Yeah, it's Steam-powered? Steam-powered.com is where you go to download Steam. Well, you know what it is? It's the same situation from my understanding of it. Is the person who owns Steam.com knows that Valve has enough money to buy the earth and all the heavens. Yeah. And Valve told them to pound sand way back in the day and is sticking to their guns. And I gotta like, you know, respect that at least to a degree. But also So I do wonder how many people have been confused.

16:24Luke Lafreniere:How many hours of humanity's collective life have been lost to... If it wasn't for Google, I wonder what the situation would be like. And you know what? I mean, maybe that's the answer. Maybe the answer is that it just plain doesn't matter. because I don't know if I could name a single person in my life

16:47Linus Sebastian:who doesn't just Google a thing. Pink.net was weird because the name of it was a domain. Yeah. So it was kind of especially bad. Like if it was Steam.com, if Steam was actually called Steam.com. I didn't know this one. Sorry, go ahead. No, no, no, hold on, hold on. I'm going to get to it. Yeah, again, if Steam was actually called Steam.com and then Steam.com didn't go to Steam, that would be really confusing. This is crazy. I've heard of this one.

17:22Luke Lafreniere:Nissan.com, in loving memory of Uzi Nissan, a loving father, brother, and friend, passed away from COVID-19. Dude, that's incredible. That's pretty epic. This man, Uzi Nissan, has the Nissan.com domain, not the car company. Okay. How did I never see this?

17:50Linus Sebastian:I've seen this. I don't know. But, you know, I mean, there's too many things to come around everything. I am kind of surprised, like, with Steam at some point, with Nissan at some point. How do you not just offer a very high but reasonable number? Because Steam as well, they're not even parking it.

18:14Luke Lafreniere:No, they're not doing anything with it. That's so strange. Well, I'm guessing they probably aren't because they don't want to open themselves up to any kind of legal peril by doing something malicious with it. Because Valve, I think... And look, I get it. but what I suspect is that Valve would have no problem spending the money on lawyers to rip it away from them right but they don't want to enrich the domain squatters so it's the thing I mean it's the same thing that we always talk about on WAN show anytime that there's like scalping on a new console or a new steam controller or whatever it happens to be right is like hey so the only reason this works is because people give the money to the scalpers.

19:00Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Enriching the scalpers, incentivizing them to do this again. That's the only reason any of it works. And at a certain point, I gotta just kind of go, look, don't hate the player. Hate the stupid people who enriched the player. Not stupid. Stupid's a strong word. I don't think they're stupid. I think they are bad parents. So they're sending the wrong signals and they are enabling a behavior that just makes the world sort of worse in general. I feel like I wasn't paying enough attention. Bad parents? They're bad parents.

19:40Linus Sebastian:Who are bad parents? The people who buy from scalpers. Okay. All right. Gotcha. I thought you were talking about scammers for a second. And I was like, I don't think they mean to. I get it. No, yeah. We're good.

19:50Luke Lafreniere:So this is another one that I had seen before but had forgotten about. whitehouse.com is an election betting site because I guess the U.S. government yeah it's.org right so or.gov excuse me so this is oh I can't share my screen I guess but

20:14Linus Sebastian:Pancras shared in flow plane chat the what steam.com used to look like and I remember this I also remember the this domain is not for sale I just don't understand is the

20:25Luke Lafreniere:former home of steam tunnel operations okay nice sure solid um anyway congratulations paint.net rick brewster you did it congrats you finally did it we're genuinely excited for you and for everyone whoever you know got confused by the previous situation yeah absolutely awesome um let's jump into oh hey can we can we watch the thing dan yeah we can watch the thing and then we'll yeah but then we'll talk about i do the spiel or do you want to watch it first um yeah i'll do the spiel uh what if did uh an affiliate spot for the ltte store scribe driver pen and uh i just thought he did such an amazing incredible creative job of it um so he did a spot on tiktok that's called here's what would happen if a pen hit the earth at the speed of light now according to the spot he really loves the pen i he hasn't like told me that personally like not on the internet so i have no way of knowing that if that is actually true but he said a lot of things that i also believe about the pen that it's a really good value like the build quality is great for the price um and you know technically according to you know the law and stuff even in an affiliate spot you're not supposed to say anything that you don't actually believe so i was really like like seriously he like glazed it a little nice like he's very very um i know a few people that really like complimentary of the of the scribe driver pen sammy happened to have one on him.

22:12Luke Lafreniere:Nice. Thanks, Sammy. Here you go. At the speed of light. No, sorry. No, the speed of light would be very bad. And as you're about to find out, yeah, do you want to roll the clip, Dan? This is what would happen if a pen hit earth at the speed of light.

22:24Linus Sebastian:This is LTT's Scribe Driver Bolt Action Pen, made by fellow Canadian YouTuber Linus Tech Tips. It's stainless steel, over-engineered by nerds, and has a satisfying bolt-action click. Grippy diamond cut knurling, and even takes Parker G2 refills. It's what I use to draw out all my death ideas for Chase. But if this pen somehow hit Earth at 99.9 % the speed of light, it would be a nightmare. First off, anything with mass needs more and more energy the closer it gets to light speed. To actually reach light speed, you'd need infinite energy. So let's say an alien civilization gets this pen to 99.9 % the speed of light.

23:06Linus Sebastian:Well, that's almost 300 ,000 kilometers per second, fast enough to travel from Earth to the moon in about 1.3 seconds. But before the pen even touches the ground, the sky would flash white. Since the air in front of the pen wouldn't have time to move out of the way, it would get violently compressed and heated into super hot plasma. Then, boom! The air around the pen would erupt into an enormous explosion before it even reached the surface.

23:35Luke Lafreniere:Maybe cut it here so that people have to go watch the rest to find out the rest. Good plan. Got him. Yeah, got him. Anyway, yeah. Just thought that was super cool. We've been exploring over the last, I guess it's been months now, doing more and more sort of creator affiliate program type stuff, creator sponsorships. actually oh I got a great selfie with a couple of channels that we sponsor you might like this Luke like here at the show? let me see if I can find it I don't know if you've heard of them before here let me hold this up for the people on the camera here so oh hold on I disabled your autofocus yeah yeah yeah that makes sense Yeah, so this guy's name is Andy.

24:32Luke Lafreniere:He's from a channel called ZipTie Tuning. And ZipTie Tech, yeah. And then this is Samit. He does, like, drift car racing over in Japan. And once he had this guy with kind of like a loud laugh. Yeah, he's kind of like a laugh-free-air kind of guy. Lafreniere guy kind of in his car once. He took him out he took him out drift racing you might have heard of him.

25:04Linus Sebastian:It was a good time. Yeah.

25:06Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. So I don't know it's pretty cool. It's been it's been it's been enriching. Oh okay I didn't mean it like that. It's been fulfilling. It's been fulfilling no it's the opposite of that actually. Because I'll be honest with you we don't really know what we're doing yet so a lot of the like sponsorships and stuff we're doing are not lucrative right um but what they are is they're like like i mean i was looking for another word for for good yeah did not mean that but then i settled on a synonym yeah so it's it's been very cool moving from the the sponsoree to the sponsor and it's something that within reason we we do want to continue to do more of yeah um all right what else we what else was like so zero dollars

25:59Linus Sebastian:enriching i think potentially negative dollars enriching yeah in some cases there have been some

26:04Luke Lafreniere:that have done like really well i guess yeah well yeah like occasional occasional ones like yeah i don't want to i don't want to like name you know which of our affiliates are outperforming our other affiliates that's not the kind of thing that i would want to get into on the lan show or anything but there have been some that have just done shockingly well and then there's been some

26:26Linus Sebastian:that we thought yeah i didn't even mean it that way i just saw it as like it's i mean it's a money out procedure yeah yeah oh yeah theoretically through the affiliate links you can track money

26:37Luke Lafreniere:in but affiliate so the affiliate ones don't really have as much potential to to like lose money on that they're just they could be you know not the best use of time potentially because we We have finite time at work during the day. That employee could have done something else. They could have, yeah. So there's like opportunity cost. I think it's good.

26:58Linus Sebastian:It's like we've had a problem for a long time of like getting the cool products that we have to people that aren't just our audience. And you know, I think some people have noticed the ads and stuff going on the rest of the internet, trying to spread it out from there. but part of it's also trying to sponsor other creators and do stuff like that so we want to

27:25Luke Lafreniere:we want to continue to do more of that uh what else we what else we got i forget how we got oh you know what let's do it nvidia wants to power your next windows laptop more than a dozen years After NVIDIA's Tegra series chips briefly powered a number of Windows RT tablets, NVIDIA is getting back in the CPU game with their new RTX Spark SoC. Co-developed with MediaTek, the Spark combines up to 20 cores, up to 6 ,144 Blackwell GPU cores, and up to 128 gigs of unified LPDDR5X memory in an all-new super chip with up to one petaflop of FP4 AI performance for local models. Are we going to call them super chips?

28:25Linus Sebastian:I mean, it's cooler branding than APU It is pretty cool It sounds cool If we're going to call that a super chip I think we have to go across the board

28:32Luke Lafreniere:Well, no, I absolutely think you're right I mean, would you argue that Strix Halo is not a super chip? Well, that's what I mean

28:41Linus Sebastian:If we call this a super chip, I think that might be okay But we also have to call Strix Halo a super chip I think I'm down That's fine with me Strix Halo is a super, it's a super chip. And it does feel like it's in a different category compared to some other stuff, including in its price band. Its price band is in a different category.

29:02Luke Lafreniere:Give us a sec, we'll get to that. NVIDIA is promising. Slim laptops with all-day battery life, as well as compact desktops that are powered by these new chips, and they should be coming this fall from the usual suspects. I mean partners, excuse me. Recent attempts at Windows on ARM have been a lot more promising than early attempts in the RT days. Microsoft's x86 to ARM translation layer, codenamed Prism, has continued to get better and faster, and many major apps have started shipping ARM-native versions. In a call earlier this week, Microsoft EVP Pavan Dadaluri told our team that there is active work being done with the developers of Easy Anti-Cheat, BattleEye, and Denuvo, along with Riot Games and Crafton, to bring arm support to League of Legends, Valorant, and PUBG.

29:52Luke Lafreniere:Pricing has not been revealed. Okay, Mr. Luke. I think both of us probably went into Computex thinking DLA. No? You weren't quite as negative as me about it? I was a little bit surprised. It's a year and a half late. Yes. The word on the street is this was supposed to launch at CES 2025, or announce at CES 2025, then Computex 2025, then maybe CES 26, and now here it is, finally, 18 months later.

30:35Linus Sebastian:I think part of the reason why I had potentially higher hopes is just because of what actually Qualcomm has been doing. I think a lot of the road was paved by other people here. Microsoft working on their translation layers, Qualcomm working on a huge range of different things. This feels like what we've been talking about with AI for a while now, where I think some of the companies that do the best are going to be companies that aren't just blowing billions of dollars right now and just kind of wait for other people to figure it out, especially because so many models are going open source anyways and then just jumping in later.

31:10Linus Sebastian:This feels like that situation where they appled, kind of. They waited for Qualcomm and Microsoft, and I'm sure a lot of other partners to do a lot of the initial work. And they just went, and there's a cool chip.

31:23Luke Lafreniere:And they also invidied waiting for there to be a lucrative enough business case to do a ton of the work. In this case, it was for the data center, right? Yeah. Like this is using, this is obviously a cut down version, but it's using a very similar architecture to their Grace Blackwell super chips that are for, you know, AI. Those ones have way more cores. I think it's like 72 CPU cores, and then the GPU that's built into it is, yeah, is obviously not on the same scale whatsoever. And clock speeds are way higher on the, like, hey, I got hands-on with a Grace Blackwell yesterday. Oh. It's thick.

32:10Luke Lafreniere:The cooler is thick. Like, damn, girl. 1400 watts per super chip. You know, with a little bit of coaxing, a little bit of assistance.

32:30Luke Lafreniere:Anyway. God, I'm too tired for this. So my reasons for coming in thinking DOA were actually less to do with that I thought Windows on ARM was a total dead end. And it was more to do with just how late this thing was. I was worried that power consumption wouldn't make any sense for a laptop, for a device that, you know, Carmack was complaining a year ago, like throttled in a mini desktop and like kind of sucked. That, you know, Wendell has talked about how the performance for local AI is not that amazing. I was concerned that Nvidia would run into challenges when it comes to Windows on ARM it hasn't been perfect and I mean the answer for me whether you want to talk about Windows on ARM or whether you want to talk about Linux or Mac or any other platform is always like would you use that?

33:39Luke Lafreniere:and I go yes asterisk but boy or whatever boy do i ever love the convenience though of being able to just run my games on windows when i when i want to and assume that whatever game i want to run is going to run

33:55Linus Sebastian:and i said there's you know there's been on that work from microsoft and qualcomm and other players

33:59Luke Lafreniere:as well but i still don't think it's like at parity that's an area where nvidia seems to be according to their version of the story doing the work. Because who in the gaming space has more developer relationships than NVIDIA? Like, actually, though. Yeah, I don't think anybody. They work with almost quite literally everybody. And basically, you know, because I was like, we got through the presentation, we got through the presentation, they're talking about local agentic AI, and they're talking about, you know, the efficiency of ARM cores and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

34:45Luke Lafreniere:You know, finally, they bring up the slide and they're like, and of course it gains. And I'm like, okay. Okay, all right. Okay, but like does it? And they're like, you know, wait, here's all, because there's even more than what we had written in our notes here in terms of who they're working with on the DRM side and on the anti-cheat side. and they're like, yeah, this is a huge part of why this has taken so long.

35:10Linus Sebastian:I wouldn't be surprised, and I'm sure they do, have stronger relationships with some of these companies and more long-lasting ones, but Qualcomm was already doing a lot of that, to be clear. I'm not trying to Qualcomm glaze on the show. It's just like...

35:23Luke Lafreniere:I don't think anyone would think you are. Yeah, okay.

35:26Linus Sebastian:It's like these things were already being worked on. Some people tried to name some of their stuff Valve, but, you know, Valve's making some hardware, I guess, but I don't think it's really equivalent to this situation. We're talking about, like, chip makers. Yeah, it's interesting. At least it's interesting. I don't know how the market feels about it because, you know, it's kind of nuts how in the last five days they're down 5%, in the last one day they're down 6.2%. But apparently if you go back to the last month, They're still doing great. Yeah, Luke's looking at the stock.

36:06Luke Lafreniere:I mean, look, the stock is just, stocks are just gambling now, Luke. Six months, they're up 12.5%. Like, nothing matters. If you want to see a fun one, check ARM. So I attended the announcement. I was sponsored attending the announcement of their, like, AGI series CPUs. And that was, I think it was more than a month ago. Go to the six-month view. Okay. And I just... Jeez. I couldn't make any sense of it because immediately afterward, like immediate, immediate, it went down. And I was like, well, I don't really get that because what I just saw on that stage actually sounded pretty good to me. Not good like I want one.

36:55Luke Lafreniere:I need an ARM AGI series CPU in my gaming desktop or whatever. That wasn't the point. But good, like, oh, yeah, AI people would probably love the crap out of that. And they're going to, like, sell a buttload of these kind of good, you know. And it, like, dipped. And then it went, like, pshonk.

37:18Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

37:20Luke Lafreniere:And I just don't really.

37:23Linus Sebastian:So what we're seeing is on a six-month view, the stock is up 143%. uh on a one month view still super healthy 64 percent um but when you start getting to you know your your five days it's it's down 12 yeah and so that's that's you know to do with

37:42Luke Lafreniere:the market the the poly market you might call it like i i i i don't know how to i don't know how to deal with this like everything is basically just vibes now yeah and it's hard to maybe always

37:55Linus Sebastian:was and to be clear this isn't a stock trading show we know this is not nothing not financial advice but the with it being such a gambling market it is the unpredictable nature of it makes it actually really important to a lot of people because people's you know retirement funds are invested in all that kind of stuff there's all this stuff coming with spacex and how it

38:20Luke Lafreniere:might be like defaulted into some okay so um they fixed that did they the s &p 500 basically was like no okay you have to wait a year okay that was legitimately pretty scary yeah when it looked like we were just gonna go straight into the s &p 500 index fund that was like that was crazy

38:44Linus Sebastian:that sounded rough but but yeah we're looking at uh again this is the wrong place to really learn about this stuff but yeah we're looking at a bit of a bloodbath kind of since computex which is interesting i don't know if it's actually related computex probably not i feel like very

39:00Luke Lafreniere:hard to say you know i had a really interesting conversation with uh with dr cutris uh the other night we we finally caught up man i haven't i haven't talked to that guy in forever i actually ran into like a fair number of like the old gang i ran into jay at um at the asus rog booth oh yeah I ran into Bitwit, Kyle. Yeah. I was on his live stream. Yeah, he's doing live streams now. Dude. That's like his thing. I mean. It's cool. The guy, I've told him, I've told him before to his face. I think he has the best comedic timing in all of tech YouTube. Fantastic. I think he is like the funniest person in tech on YouTube.

39:41Luke Lafreniere:And live makes a ton of sense to me for him. I actually didn't know he was doing it because I don't consume that much YouTube content. But just the vibes of his stream while we were kind of chatting and hanging out on it, I thought it was just awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I ran into him, obviously. Ran into Alex and Andy. And, yeah, it was great. Anyway, so, yeah, I ran into Dr. Cutris. And I was kind of trying to wrap my brain around this Computex. Because on the one hand, there wasn't much. No. There was NVIDIA's, you know, RTX Spark, NVIDIA's new Vera Rubin, like, data center tier announcement. There was Wildcat Lake.

40:36Luke Lafreniere:But then Wildcat Lake was actually launched, like, a couple months ago. And it's just that we're seeing Western available OEM design wins now. So we're seeing it in laptops, but the actual chip was a known quantity coming into this. And then, what? ArcG3? Noctua has their thermosyphon working. What are we even talking about here?

41:00Linus Sebastian:I thought the wounding thing was cool. Did you see that?

41:02Luke Lafreniere:Oh, the tilty keycap thing?

41:05Linus Sebastian:No, the replaceable dials.

41:07Luke Lafreniere:Oh, yeah, yeah.

41:08Linus Sebastian:So you can replace individual key switches with dials instead of buttons. I think it's genuinely pretty cool. for if you're doing I imagine CAD work video editing or there aren't a ton of them but games like Star Citizen bootings a shockingly innovative company

41:25Luke Lafreniere:for being focused on keyboards which most part in a lot of ways have not been

41:31Linus Sebastian:yeah yeah they they are yeah I mean it's part of their like tagline anything

41:36Luke Lafreniere:they're there to disrupt or whatever yeah so so anyway chatting with dr. catchers about it but i was like i'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around this because there's not much here but on the flip side did it not feel like the busiest computex like in years

41:53Linus Sebastian:like it was dude it was buzzing you mean like literally people on the yeah on the show floor yeah i mean there's a lot of money in it right now i i heard there was a couple brands that i was really surprised were not on the floor and i've heard a very rumory rumor as in like it's very possibly not real but i have no idea um that there had to be a minimum percentage of like ai stuff because like i we sammy and i ran into a booth where they were advertising a monitor and they're saying that it was multi-modal powered ai enabled monitor and i was asking like okay well how much like computed what compute is in this all-in-one and they're like no it's a monitor And I was like, yeah, I know, but you're running AI on it.

42:39Linus Sebastian:So, like, how are you doing that? And they pointed to, like, a mini PC that was behind the monitor. I was like, oh, well, okay, does that come with it then? And they're like, no. So the point was that you could plug a computer into the monitor that ran AI stuff. Wow. And that really, I think what happened there was they didn't want to get filtered out because they didn't have AI stuff to show on the floor. So they just slapped an AI sticker on their monitor and just went with it. So I don't know. I think it's just that there is a lot of dollars, a lot more dollars than normal in this industry.

43:17Luke Lafreniere:And not just dollars, but like real dollars. So Ian was telling me, like, normally this is a very industry event. Yep. and he was like but this year it feels like i can't go anywhere without seeing like like a like a goldman you know oh no so see you were like you were you hit the the nail on the hammer kind of you were like almost there in terms of his theory anyway yeah but he's like yeah basically as far as you know he's like as far as i can tell there wasn't kind of a an asia tech conference for Western money.

44:01Linus Sebastian:Yeah, because you see that at CES. It's very, very common at CES to see the investor badges. The money people. Yeah, and you can kind of tell when they're walking around.

44:10Luke Lafreniere:And so because Computex is where NVIDIA does its thing, right, apparently, according to Ian, he feels like Computex is being kind of co-opted by the money people to become the Asia Tech conference that everyone kind of goes to. And that made a ton of sense to me. I mean, it always makes sense to me just about when Ian talks because he is a super smart guy. As he always reminds me, he is a doctor, in fact. With a doctorate. He doesn't always remind me of that. I'm actually making him sound worse than he is. It was just the first time we met, he corrected me on his title and I have never let him live it down.

44:56Luke Lafreniere:I opened with that, of course. I walk up he's like waiting for me in a little tiny little like noodle hole in the wall and I'm like Dr. Cutris yeah yeah he goes he goes aw if you like I love that guy um anyway when he talks it pretty much almost always makes a ton of sense he's a super smart guy but I was like oh yeah that so this is something that uh that came up for me an unrelated reading I forget where I was reading it and I can't find the article right now. But apparently, I think it might have been my brother-in-law talking to me about it, nine out of every ten dollars from PE and VC right now is apparently going into AI.

45:38Linus Sebastian:I mean, yeah, sure. I do still think this is interesting. I wish I could share my screen. But I looked up, I guess it's on a website called TradingView. I haven't been here before, but I've seen screenshots that I think are from this website. of like a stock heat map. And it's just the S &P 500 stock heat map. Some people in chat were saying that these stocks are down because people are just rebalancing. But what I'm seeing over 6 % from Nvidia, over 13 % from Micron, over 6 % from Dell, over 11 % from Intel, over 6 % from Cisco, over 10, almost 11 % from AMD. And it just keeps going and going and going and going.

46:17Linus Sebastian:I don't, I'm not personally seeing the other places that this is apparently going to. Gold's down. Yeah, gold's apparently down a bunch. Yeah, gold's down 3 % today. So, like, I'm not seeing the other stocks that this is flowing.

46:35Luke Lafreniere:Well, it's not always stocks, right? Like, there's government bonds. Sure. There's land. Although land is not as liquid. It doesn't really... Well, literally, it's not liquid. But, like, what I mean is that it doesn't... You don't move. 6.2 % of NVIDIA.

46:54Linus Sebastian:This is what I mean.

46:55Luke Lafreniere:It is half a trillion dollars or something like that. No, no, no. Sorry, a quarter trillion dollars. What does it work out to? It's a$5 trillion market cap. So 10 % is$500 billion. So$250 billion there. It's kind of a big deal. We should see a lot of green in other segments. Nobody bought$250 billion of farmland today. Yeah, crypto. So Bitcoin's way down. Like in catastrophic crashing territory. Yeah, have you been watching this? No. Yeah, just friendly reminder, the every minute reminder when we're talking about anything to do with finances. This is not a financial show. None of this is financial advice.

47:43Luke Lafreniere:They're not the people you should listen to. Neither of us have any idea what we're doing or what we're talking about.

47:48Linus Sebastian:The extent of it right now is that there's a lot of red and I don't know where the green is. Well, I think it was the friends we made along the way.

47:58Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, it might be. It was not real money. That's what the boomers are finding out in the Vancouver housing market. is that when the value of your house and your hundred neighbors is dictated by the one house that's sold at that amount yeah that money is not real and so you know it just it can go up it can go down. I mean, listen, I think, um, I'm going to send this over to Dan. He can throw this up on screen. Um, but I think it's really important to remember what Warren Buffett said about all this. Okay. So I'm just going to send this over. I mean, look, I don't do financial advice. Don't believe me.

48:56Luke Lafreniere:Believe Mr. Buffett. Okay. so it's a good point yeah no it's a very it's a very good point okay Dan did you get that yep okay go ahead throw that up please so whenever you whenever you see anything any news right the stock goes up the stock goes down crypto's doing good crypto's doing bad you know gold you know bonds everything just just remember remember what Warren Buffett definitely actually said yep that's good advice

49:29Linus Sebastian:yeah and it's interesting too like some of the only stocks that I'm seeing going up are credit cards I'm just scrolling through here trying to see like what just happened and it's not by a lot it's not by a lot but they are

49:48Luke Lafreniere:ScrappyDP says he said wasted away in Margaritaville you're thinking of his lesser known cousin um mr jimmy buffett yeah yeah i i know i know you knew that i know i know you knew that scrappy oh dude i just and and the really scary part is i'm not really like a math guy so this was not super intuitive to me but five percent down is a lot more than five percent up yeah and so like you could like if you're if you're worth a hundred dollars you have to go up five percent a lot of times to reach like you know a thousand dollars of value but then you only have to go down five percent like fewer times to wipe out more of it because it like moves faster on the way down because math and because you started yeah it's just it's because you started higher so it's so So it's a greater proportion.

50:52Luke Lafreniere:So that growth goes down at the same negative growth rate. I never really thought about it because I don't do a ton of stock investing and I don't do math for fun. But when I kind of clued into that however long ago it was, I was like, oh, right. So that's why when a stock goes down 1%, people freak out and panic, sell everything. It's over.

51:20Linus Sebastian:This is just scale of things getting ridiculous. NVIDIA being down 6.2 is so insane. It's just such a colossal amount of money. It's like that stat. I don't know if I'm going to be able to find it right now. I think we've talked about it on Wenshow before. When the GDP goes down a certain percentage, you see deaths increase. Yeah. This stuff gets pretty heavy pretty fast.

51:50Luke Lafreniere:Hold on, someone wanted an update on GameStop. Basically, for tax reasons, Yvonne sold it at some point, if I recall correctly. You guys held it for a super long time, but I also think that was a bit ago. Yeah. So right now, I think Yvonne has us a little bit in some index fund, but not much. And I have my framework, personal investment, and then I have my Eshtech, so HexOS, that NAS software, personal investment. But neither of those are public. A little bit of precious metal. I think. And no crypto. I have no crypto right now. This is not financial advice. This is not a financial show, but you guys might as well know where my vested interests lie.

52:37Luke Lafreniere:And I have, I mean, realistically, the bulk of my net worth is in Vancouver real estate, which you guys already know from just knowing that we own our office building and like you know i made the video where i talked about smash champs the the badminton club slash land center so i i for what it's worth um if this helps at all uh i'm i've gotten hit harder over the last year than the the poor nvidia investors who lost 6.2 percent today but it's also it's also a different thing though because these are buildings that we're operating companies out of so it's a very different sort of calculus

53:23Linus Sebastian:I'm skipping through I've gone through like the Chinese index the American index, the American index NASDAQ, the Chinese index, the Canadian index and so far the Canadian index is doing the least bad which is cool, everything is doing bad

53:40Luke Lafreniere:Yvonne last night, you know, pillow talk was like oh my trade just went through so what that tells me is that the canadian dollar fell against the usd because what she does is she sets up like staged um trades so that rather than you know hitting it all at once it'll kind of trade on the way up um and she's usually trying to catch a high on the US dollar whenever she's setting stage trades.

54:13Linus Sebastian:Because we mostly make USD. Yeah. Which I think might not have been fully apparent.

54:19Luke Lafreniere:But our expenses are mostly Canadian dollars.

54:22Linus Sebastian:So we are trying to move it into the CAD side.

54:25Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, so we generally try to win on the USD being overvalued in a given time and then sort of ease off on our purchases of Canadian dollars when the Canadian dollar is stronger. Although that has changed because we did, how does LMG spend money? I guess it's like six months ago now. And our biggest expense other than payroll is now buying product. And that is almost exclusively in USD. Oh, interesting. Yeah, so a lot more of our expenses are in US dollars now.

54:57Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I never really considered that. Sorry, I just thought this was funny. I'm scrolling through and there's like the NASDAQ 100 index, all U.S. companies, Dow Jones Utility Average Index, Canadian Composite Index, whatever you keep scrolling. What did you find? What did you find? Is it the Nancy Pelosi index? No, you get down to India and it's the Nifty 50. I just love that. And the Nifty Next 50. Yeah. That's pretty good. That's fantastic. Oh, they're doing pretty good. I'm sure there's like a reason why it's called Nifty, but I just, I like it.

55:31Luke Lafreniere:no one in chat seems to have figured out where the money is going

55:35Linus Sebastian:a few different people said that it was just like rebalancing but I don't I cannot find where I've been obviously I'm not you know super informed on this stuff but I can't find it anywhere definitely not Russia just went to the Russian index that's not where it's going

55:56Luke Lafreniere:I uh I've seen some I've seen some rumblings that Putin might hopefully finally be getting tired of his Stupid war I have seen rumblings of that too.

56:08Linus Sebastian:I open letter from

56:11Luke Lafreniere:Zelensky yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that I saw that too I It would be real cool if that stopped yeah, I'd be super stoked on that Glory to your crane. Okay. What else we got? So, AMD is extending AM5 through 2029. AMD announced at Computex this year that the AM5 socket is going through 2029, two years beyond the original 2027 promise. That is at least seven years of support, which will likely cover up to Zen 6 or Zen 7, meaning that anyone who bought an AM5 motherboard back in 2022 can keep upgrading CPUs without replacing their board. Hopefully. You know, sometimes not every board from the very beginning of AM4 did ultimately support the chips at the end of AM4.

57:07Luke Lafreniere:But, you know, if all goes well, then you could be one of the lucky people who has a board that makes it all the way through.

57:17Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, AM4 got the same treatment launching in 2016 with AMD still releasing chips for it a decade later. Two new CPUs are being released actually to back up these announcements. The Ryzen 7 7700X 3D for AM5 is launching July 16th at 329. 8 core, 16 threads, Zen 4, 96 megabytes of 3DV cache. what it's exciting it's good uh 4.5 gigahertz boost clock uh essentially it's a downclock 7800 x3d at 120 less amd's can see that gamers are feeling the pinch um talking to uh you know manufacturers in the pc space they're also feeling the pinch we'll talk about that a little bit more later but uh you know clearly they're trying to to juice things a little bit and then on the am4 side the Ryzen 7 5800 X3D 10th anniversary edition is returning June 25th at 349 it's the same eight cores n3 chip with 100 megs of cache 4.5 gigahertz boost it was once the best gaming cpu on the planet um now it's still a great gaming cpu and is compatible with ddr4 which could help save you some money on your next system.

58:39Luke Lafreniere:And this is really interesting. Does$349 make sense? It makes sense that people will definitely buy it. I do think that I... Okay, so my initial thought was that AMD is kind of taking advantage of the situation a little bit because AM4 boards are cheap and DDR4 is cheap, so they could just extract margin on the CPU. I didn't realize how much work they had to do to bring this thing out. So the original 3D vCache stacking process that they used, the reason these chips went away was because that process was no longer available at TSMC. So they had to significantly re-engineer the chip to manufacture it with modern stacking processes.

59:22Luke Lafreniere:Okay. So they actually, yeah, they, I forget whose podcaster who they were being interviewed by, but they pretty much came out and they were like, yeah, this was actually a significant amount of work. This wasn't just a grab-it-from-the-archive-dust-it-off-and-just-re-release-it project.

59:42Linus Sebastian:Yeah, because Zen 3 for$350.

59:47Luke Lafreniere:Zen 3 with 3D vCache. Yeah, that part is nice, I guess. So let's look at it from a platform standpoint. And apparently motherboard manufacturers are ramping up AM4 board production too. So I can get the M4 board, I'm gonna spend a hundred bucks.

1:00:07Luke Lafreniere:We have a video coming very soon where we're going to run the newest AM4 CPU, other than this one, because this one wasn't out yet, on the oldest AM4 board. And then we're going to compare that against the newest AM4 board and see, like, what are you actually giving up? Like, you can... spoiler alert, not much. So you can get, like, any AM4 board pretty much, as long as it's compatible with the CPU, throw it in there. DDR4, last I checked, is about half the price of DDR5. Would I like to see AMD go more aggressive with this thing? Absolutely. But I still think it's going to be legitimately a very...

1:00:46Linus Sebastian:And I'm not even saying that it's necessary. Like, I don't know. Maybe their R &D cost on this was insane and they have to recoup it somehow or whatever. I'm not necessarily saying it's like a scam or anything. It's just, damn.

1:00:56Luke Lafreniere:It would have been nice if it was cheaper. I would have loved to see it at like$239. Yeah. 229 is like 229 is where it have been like that's hot every other chip is dead

1:01:08Linus Sebastian:to me just buy it 229 would have been pretty sick but that's a massive reduction on the price that it actually is yep I don't want well dollars yeah if

1:01:26Luke Lafreniere:you're comparing to what these things were going for on the secondhand market It was like well over 500.

1:01:32Linus Sebastian:No, that's what I was finding, yeah. Yeah. Which is surprising. There's some people in chat saying that they got it like, you know, over a year ago for like 200, 250. Yeah. But before it converted it to new Taiwanese dollars because of where we are, it was saying, I think it was 570. Sorry, 470. And that's a used one. So maybe it'll help.

1:01:58Luke Lafreniere:Yep.

1:01:58Linus Sebastian:God, the market is crazy right now.

1:02:00Luke Lafreniere:I legitimately do think that this is going to help. A resurgence in availability of AM4 chips, AM4 boards. DDR4 is still out there. DDR4, even brand new, is relatively affordable. Anything that takes some of the squeeze off, I support at this point.

1:02:19Linus Sebastian:So just with quick skimming, it sounds like their price is$100 cheaper than the used price. Which, that blows my mind.

1:02:27Luke Lafreniere:I know. I know.

1:02:31Linus Sebastian:Thanks, I guess. Yeah. Sounds like it'll be really helpful. It's just, jeez. No wonder people are building computers. Should we talk about that? Because I also talked to manufacturers that were like, yikes.

1:02:44Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, so I'm not going to name any names. I'm not trying to call out anyone's specific business. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I talked to one manufacturer that said that their sales, and they make like an accessory product. This is 100%, yeah. Like basically something that isn't a CPU or GPU, but is something that you can't really build a computer without. Okay. And they said that they were down about 30%. Yikes. Which is, you know, coming back to what we were talking about earlier, right? Where 30 % down is a lot more than the like, you know, 30 % growth that we had year over year when we were first starting out.

1:03:28Luke Lafreniere:once you reach a certain scale. You've got employees. You've got facilities. You've got marketing campaigns. You've got all these things that you're doing as a company that you've scaled up according to the scale that you've reached. And when suddenly 30 % of your revenue is gone, you're sitting there looking at it going like they were talking about how hard it is to forecast production right now. Yeah. Lead times, they were saying on a good day, they're going to have to know what they need in their warehouse six months ahead of time. And right now, that's like impossible.

1:04:07Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Talking to, like you said, kind of accessories things. Yeah. If it's not compute, pretty much. Everybody's kind of freaking out. I know I was talking to one brand. Dan, put up the thing. who even, did I say I don't know? I was talking to one brand who even sells things that are a little bit more in that field, but they're more, they have to buy an expensive component and then use it in the product that they're selling. And they're saying that even they are down because their costs are so freaking high that even though they're selling it for so much right now, it just doesn't even really matter.

1:04:50Linus Sebastian:I meant the Warren Buffett thing I didn't mean the doesn't know thing

1:04:53Luke Lafreniere:The moment's passed It was pretty wild

1:04:59Linus Sebastian:Case, fans, all that type of stuff If nobody's building computers If nobody's building personal computers, PCs Then those things aren't selling It is what it is

1:05:09Luke Lafreniere:I think McGarnagall actually has A way more human way Of sort of illustrating What I've been trying to say about that um when you're a company of three people 30 hiring is one person when you're a company of 10 people you to grow 30 you would hire three people when you've achieved scale and you are a company of 100 people a 30 reduction would be 30 people like that's

1:05:39Linus Sebastian:what we're talking about here which even like even even if you think about the impact not even not even on that company or on those individuals but you think about the impact on the job market. If you have 30 people in one field suddenly on the market in one geographical area the industry might literally not even be able to like bear that. Yeah, might not be able to absorb it elsewhere. If it's a one person change it's much more likely that you know there's a company that could add a person if the right person came along and then they just bring that person on. Yeah.

1:06:12Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, it's a it's a scary time right now and honestly I had very similar conversations with at least one creator as well where it's just like the the interest right now in

1:06:29Linus Sebastian:you know building computers is pretty oh dude it's bad it's pretty yeah I had there was a there was a dinner I had with a few and everyone was talking about it it's uh it's pretty rough right now well I said I said one because I have

1:06:41Luke Lafreniere:named many creators that I've talked to at the show. Oh, yeah. And so I just didn't want to... Yeah. It's everyone. Yeah, yeah. I might as well. All right, we're just going to... I don't know.

1:06:52Linus Sebastian:We're just going to be transparent about it. Potato in full-plane chat said 30%, and this is, I think, a good way of illustrating it because I don't think we've used actual numbers. 30 % up on$1 ,000 is$300. But after you do that change, now 30 % down on that new number, so 30 % down on 1300 is now 390.

1:07:12Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

1:07:13Linus Sebastian:So it's because you already went up is where it starts to get worse.

1:07:17Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, so like, and it's like, so the way that someone explained it to me, oh, thank you, is that if every day, if every other day you like go up 10 % and then every other day you're down 10%, eventually you have no money. Yeah, that's, yeah. Which is like, what? Yeah, yeah.

1:07:36Linus Sebastian:If it was all relative to the starting number, then you'd be fine. Then you're fine. But it's not. But it's not.

1:07:43Luke Lafreniere:Hey, speaking of companies that are scaling like crazy and doing great, let's talk about NVIDIA unveiling their Vera Rubin platform meant to power the future of AI. According to NVIDIA, it will offer 3.3 times the performance of comparable Blackwell Ultra hardware and deliver a 4x reduction in the number of GPUs needed to train MOE models. We don't have detailed specs for everything, but we do have some speeds and feeds that we can highlight. The Vera CPU goes from 72 cores on Grace to 88 NVIDIA custom Olympus cores this time. These have full ARM V9.2 compatibility with ultra-fast NVLink C2C connectivity.

1:08:30Luke Lafreniere:And this is one of the reasons, actually, that I forgot to talk about earlier, that I'm a little more bullish on NVIDIA's laptops. Because a lot of folks were like, uh, great CPU cores, they're lame. It's a MediaTek, you know, CPU that just uses bone stock ARM cores. but clearly nvidia is not making an investment on the time scale of like you know a couple of months or even a couple of years they're gonna have a roadmap if you don't get into silicon going well let's try one and see how it goes yeah you get into silicon with uh how many generations of zen did jim keller say that he had like pretty much left amd with when he when he departed it was like another three or something i thought it was three or four yeah it was like a lot yeah like you and then you know again back to that arm announcement they got up on stage and they were like this is the worst arm cpu we will ever make the roadmap is great you know obviously buy these ones but like this is every one that we make in the future is better we we talked about

1:09:41Linus Sebastian:that with pat and intel all the time and then he's been he's been gone for a bit and there there's you know i think in our circles most people get it but there's a lot of people being like wow the new ceo really turned stuff around and it's like okay we're also seeing some of the stuff that pat was actually working on coming out now he he started a lot of balls yeah rolling yeah um so

1:10:05Luke Lafreniere:anyway this is one of the reasons that i'm more bullish on their laptop chips because these first ones, RTX Spark Gen 1 is the worst laptop chip that Nvidia will ever release. And full custom Olympus cores. Okay, sounds pretty cool to me. I don't know, I don't really know much about it yet. Ruben GPU, moving to HBM4 memory, third generation transformer engine. Yeah. 2.5x the NVFP4 petaflops of compute. Okay, so this is like a way, way more powerful chip. The new rack is using NVLink 6. Each rack will have 260 terabytes per second of bandwidth.

1:10:56Luke Lafreniere:And then this is something that I actually do care about. 10 times higher inference per watt. at one-tenth the cost per token. Okay. And whether you like AI or hate AI... Less Watt, good. Less Watt, definitely good. And if you do like AI, and you've noticed that all of a sudden, it's amazing how it just kind of happened overnight, the token cost crisis. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. One-tenth the cost per token probably sounds pretty good to you right about now. what else do we know about it?

1:11:34Linus Sebastian:Have we talked about that on a WAN show? For a little bit of context there's a bunch of different places that are turning into usage models instead of general subscription models including GitHub and it's really starting to show up on people's balance sheet. Developers are running out of what they would their usage in a few days I'm hearing from some people is effectively capping out what they

1:11:58Luke Lafreniere:how do I do this? I heard the Q1 budget was covered the full year's budget was spent in q1 yeah it's kind of the number that a lot of people are throwing out so the scaling is getting a little bit ridiculous yeah but it's the

1:12:10Linus Sebastian:you know it's the whole drugs model give them a bit for free and then and then pull the rug out

1:12:16Luke Lafreniere:yeah i just um i that was kind of that was this reinforces actually what i was saying in that video I did recently where I was like the worst may be over whatever whatever I said where storage is obviously still mooning and like there's still a lot of problems and if you talk to if you talk to manufacturers who build that scale RAM is still really really bad even though retail has has eased off a little bit but this is kind of exactly what I was talking about where it's like I couldn't really prove it but my crystal ball tea leaf vessel said hey the bean counters seem to be waking up yeah and that's going to manifest in a bunch of different ways and one of the ways that that typically manifests is that you start actually charging for the service yeah i think it's i think

1:13:16Linus Sebastian:it's interesting timing because the the like gap between a lot of these models turning into usage base and the prevalence of local ai systems including pewdiepie's project and and a variety of other projects as well making it a lot easier for users to get into local hosting and hearing about a lot of companies switching to local hosting and stuff is like i honestly i think they chose a terrible time i think they actually should have done this like six months ago because i think it's it's dramatically not a little bit dramatically easier to run local now than it was roughly six months ago so now if you're looking at your bills on these usage models yeah oh my god this is going to hemorrhage us a very legitimate solution is to switch to local

1:14:09Luke Lafreniere:models the last metered bill they might ever send you might be for the guide that you ask maybe your cloud ai for to learn how to run local ai and local agents and that's pretty funny uh yeah and

1:14:27Linus Sebastian:it's it's like it you know it's you can get stronger models by going api routes and and using these cloud systems, but I am not convinced that the vast majority of people need frontier-level ability models.

1:14:44Luke Lafreniere:I don't. I just... Dude, if my alarm would set at the right time, honestly, that would be enough for me. I don't actually need much that's that complicated. Can we just take a moment, though? Can we just take a moment, though, to congratulate each other on being right about the cloud at every turn. The latency was always going to suck. Not owning your own data was always going to suck. Paying for things forever instead of paying for them once was always going to suck. And you know what's funny? I feel, sorry, I'm totally going off topic. There was significant backlash on our video on RTX Spark where I said...

1:15:34Luke Lafreniere:I feel a lot of people didn't watch it. Well, yeah. But one of the things that I said in it was that this is a bit of a... This could be the thing that makes me excited, that makes me really want to get into it. And I saw a lot of sentiment around big AI got to Linus. you know uh blah blah blah you'll own nothing you'll be happy i'm like bro that's exactly the opposite yeah of what it is local ai like whether you like being able to run a large model on something like a strix halo on something like a like a like a mac right on something like one of these one of these laptops is huge and one of the things that's been kind of unexciting about it to me uh up until now has been that it's just like it's it's inconvenient it's that that's what the cloud is is the cloud is convenient it's always there yeah but being able to have you know my personal jarvis running on you know my on my desktop and running on my laptop or you know or running on my server at home and then I access it through my own private cloud or you know, whatever I ultimately or you talk to it on Discord yeah, whatever I ultimately architect for myself, what's exciting to me about it now is that I'm not telling my innermost secrets to Sam Altman I don't want to, and it's been it's been as much as the chat GPT WAN show, where we tried it live, as much as that was one of the most exciting moments that I can remember in in tech right my temptation to actually use it has been super low because I'm not I don't enjoy that and like we've seen this movie before the pay-per-use model was always coming and I didn't want to get hooked on it

1:17:41Linus Sebastian:yeah and there there are there are applications and people and companies and whatnot where it will it will make sense to keep doing with those and as apparently theo is pointing out um the efficiency is increasing with those and i mean we're literally talking the core of this topic is talking about how vera rubin is going to be significantly more efficient yeah which should theoretically bring cost down but all of that to me as someone who enjoys the hardware side of things yeah doesn't even really matter and that if i can run really powerful models at home that's

1:18:14Luke Lafreniere:cool i want to do that and besides you know adding to luke's point everything that is in the data

1:18:21Linus Sebastian:center today will be in your computer at some point and theoretically frontier models will keep progressing but like a lot of the there are really but it might also turn into a mixed model situation where like uh if you look at again uh odysseus pd price project you can decide to run on local models or you can plug in an API. And you might run into a situation where you have some, you know, pay by usage plan, but you just don't use it for everything. And if you need something that's like much more complicated that you could really use the power of a Frontier model for, or the speed potentially, if you need it out really quick, you could switch to that API, do the work, and then switch back for your lower level tasks.

1:19:08Luke Lafreniere:But the trickle down... I think there's a lot of viability there as well. The trickle down will come. I mean, if you're the kind of person who has the discipline to buy a PlayStation 4 the day the PlayStation 5 launches. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you don't mind playing yesterday's game today. And that might not be viable for you, and that's okay. And that's okay, too. But if you are, which I think I am. I think I'm happy playing yesterday's model today. If I can do it on my local hardware, then I find this really exciting. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:19:41Linus Sebastian:I think it's really exciting. I think I would end up doing mixed. There's things that I could use. Even just on, like, an experiment standpoint, being able to every once in a while slam a question at, like, the best possible model out there is really interesting. But if I can, for a lot of the, like, what do you think the sentiment analysis of this message is, I don't know. I've been able to do that since JPD3 just fine. Like, it's okay.

1:20:08Luke Lafreniere:Okay, so, but what will it cost? According to an estimate from Morgan Stanley Research, as reported by PC Gamer, one NVL72 rack, so that's one of the full racks of Verirubin, will cost hyperscalers an estimated$7 ,800 ,000. Very nice. $7 ,800 ,000, with about$2 ,000 ,000 of that going to memory. that is crazy that puts each Rubin GPU at about$55 ,000 so there's a there's a kind of comparison table of the bill of materials for GB300 which was already an enormous price increase over the previous gen and GPUs are going from like two and a half mil to 3.9 mil memory is going from around 350 400 thousand to two million uh and then there's cpus are steady networking other networking chips are going up dude networking's getting crazy the gb300 one u that i was checking out um had water cooled networking in it because of course it did sure i was at a a booth for a brand that highly

1:21:27Linus Sebastian:specializes in in cooling in particular and they were talking about their network and memory cooling which I thought was kind of interesting. I haven't heard people really talk about memory cooling in a while. Yeah, buddy. They had like cold plates that went directly to your modules. Oh, yeah.

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1:26:44Luke Lafreniere:Whether you're more tech savvy or if you have limited experience with AI workflows, Zapier is meant to be easy to learn. Teams around the world have already used Zapier to automate over 300 million tasks. If there's something you want automated like building a plan while you're out of office, there's a good chance that Zapier has a template already available. So go to zapier.com slash when to join millions of businesses transforming how they work with Zapier and AI today. All right. Oh. I'm getting the look. What? Floatplane announcement. Oh. That makes sense. Here. What? Sammy, do your announcement.

1:27:31What?

1:27:32Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, Sammy, why don't you do the announcement? You always make us do the announcement. What if we're lazy? Yeah, it's a team sport. Yeah, do it. Ah, no, no. The audio quality would be terrible if he yells it from there. That's not worth it.

1:27:46Luke Lafreniere:Man, I'm disappointed he's not sleeping this time. I kind of... I hadn't actually looked back at him yet. Anyway, Computex 2026 has wrapped, and Luke and I were there. Thanks, Sammy. Good talking points. But what did we do? Well, I had my entire Tuesday recorded, starting with morning soup dumplings. Oh, I guess, Dan, do you want to throw a little bit of it up and skim around in it? I can't do that. I went to do it and realized that I can't screen share. Or can I? Does this support screen share? It does, yes. Technically it does, yes. Holy bananas. Okay. I don't know if we've used it. Check your screen first.

1:28:25Luke Lafreniere:Okay, we're going to do it. We're going to try it. Let me see if it works. It's going to be crazy. No, we're going to do it. It might come up as a separate thing. Screw it. We're going to do it live. Okay. Okay, here it goes. Ready? Yeah. Boom. Oh, it's a separate thing. Give me one sec. Amazing. I can work with this. He can work with this, folks. This is actually awesome because we can have, it's just an entire other person now. Oh, really? Yeah, one sec, one sec. And then if I switch away from that tab, can you still see it? Yes. And I can turn it on and off, but I need one second to create.

1:29:02Luke Lafreniere:This software is magic. Isn't it awesome? Dan can adjust the focus of my webcam. I can have a non-focus tab as a source. He can put it into the foreground or remove it or whatever. This is insane. What's it called again? It's called Video Ninja. Video Ninja. Video.Ninja. Never use it. It's dangerous. Anything this powerful must be dangerous, Luke. Seriously, though. Video Ninja, super cool. I love it. Okay, so I can throw that up now. Boop. All right. Cool. So I had my entire Tuesday recorded, starting my day with soup dumplings that were delivered by my wife. I hung out with Alex and Andy at the Dell booth and ended the day with badminton.

1:29:51Luke Lafreniere:so you guys can accompany me for an entire day of Computex and kind of see what the whole thing looks like as we go through and do booth coverage and see new friends and old friends and non-friends and this guy, I don't know. Oh, where'd he go? He's gone. Oh, this was fun. This is in the Ventiva booth. yeah there's a lot of insight into kind of how the the sausage is made in this video it's

1:30:22Linus Sebastian:definitely worth a watch yeah um and then honestly i saw you sitting on the floor with your headphones and writing on a laptop and i was like ah yes i have seen this scene before yep very much so and uh luke did one of his iconic show floor walks with sammy

1:30:40Luke Lafreniere:getting a ton of free food homemade cookies red bull do you know about that bit no when

1:30:46Linus Sebastian:When Sammy and I do show floor walks, I try to acquire as many snacks for Sammy as I can. So we started doing these show floor walks at CES when pool cleaning robots were the main thing. Yeah. And it was just so boring, but we had to do a show floor walk. So to make the content more fun, I made it about how can I acquire Sammy as many snacks as possible as this subplot. And then it just has become a thing that we do every time. and I think we might have set the record this time. It was actually amazing. If we look at total dollar value acquired in snacks, a can of Red Bull is really high up there, and we got one.

1:31:26Linus Sebastian:So that was pretty good.

1:31:29Luke Lafreniere:All right. Rock on. Actually, this is a sample size of one, but I heard it was a good year for just prizing and giveaways. I played badminton with someone yesterday who won a 32-gig kit of RAM, and someone he knows won a 5080. Whoa. So like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what it was about this Computex. Yeah, we didn't really engage in that. Like there was nothing going on and yet everyone was there. Just a lot of money. Yeah.

1:31:54Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

1:31:55Luke Lafreniere:Not a lot happening, but a lot of money floating around. We still have one more Computex floatplane exclusive. In fact, I guess there's a solid chance that that's what Sammy's working on right now.

1:32:11nice

1:32:16Linus Sebastian:sorry this is not a great tripod situation not really designed for what is being useful

1:32:22Luke Lafreniere:no but it works but it's from my uh it's from my south korea mall trip oh so this is now part of my this is now part of my kit it works if it fits and sits um So if you want to visit Computex and filter through all the AI nonsense, you can check out lmg.gg slash fpwan. And our discussion question... Oh, right, yeah. Oh, right. Our discussion question is, what were some of the coolest things you saw at Computex?

1:32:51Linus Sebastian:I think I already kind of... Well, I said one of them, which was I really like the wooting dials. I think that's a really cool thing that I haven't seen with keyboards before. And being able to place them wherever you want, I think it's just awesome.

1:33:05Luke Lafreniere:I've seen dials Haven't seen them like that.

1:33:08Linus Sebastian:Yeah modular dials Being able to put them wherever you want. That's cool. And I could I could really see like again video editor CAD designer something like that Swapping basically all their F keys for just a bunch of different dials. F those keys. Get rid of them. That being potentially helpful. The other one is as Sammy suggested the immersion cool setup because of course it was I did I wasn't gonna bother actually making a video of it but I thought their block design was really interesting and it's a short on the LTT channel right now and you can see in the thumbnail if you just go to the thumbnail and then potentially share your screen I'm going to share my screen so hard

1:33:47Luke Lafreniere:because I have that power I'm so excited dude this is so cool

1:33:51Linus Sebastian:it's an immersion cooled system so you wouldn't normally expect to see what looks like water cooling blocks on it but then you might also notice that this only has one tube. That's the GPU vertically mounted in front of the motherboard. So it only has one tube. So what's really happening, you can see those, like you're seeing the open fins on the end. So it delivers the theoretically coldest oil directly to the component. And then the oil like squishes out of the water block into the rest of the system, floats around, gets pulled out. So there's one out and two ins. and the ins go directly to CPU and GPU.

1:34:33Linus Sebastian:Wait, one out? There's like a pump going out to the radiator.

1:34:37Luke Lafreniere:Oh, two in, oh, okay, okay. I might be using the bad term. Okay, so you've got two supplies and one return. Yes, yes, yes. Okay. What happens if you submerge a PC in liquid? He's yelling at me. This ionic is so happy if you submerge a PC. I never use the shorts interface.

1:34:55Linus Sebastian:face. Watching Linus run into shorts was very funny.

1:35:01Luke Lafreniere:Why is Luke so animated? I hate this. Hey, get rid of it. Get rid of it. Oh, man. Hey, there. Jeez.

1:35:16Luke Lafreniere:I'm not made for this, Luke.

1:35:19Linus Sebastian:That was great. But yeah, it was cool. Maybe it's been done before. I haven't personally seen it before, so So seeing it in person was pretty cool. It costs way too much. Of course it does. It makes no sense. Not for you. Not for me. Maybe it does make sense for someone. But it does make sense for someone. They did say, quite plainly, that this was not a product for your gaming PC at home. It is in a PC form factor, but they were talking like edge compute, blah blah blah stuff like that.

1:35:48Luke Lafreniere:It really is time for us to do another submersion-cooled Luke PC, isn't it? like are we ready now that'd be cool like is are there any like mineral oil air concerns anymore

1:36:00Linus Sebastian:now that you're not as much as computers in a different room now all right um so it might be it might be time we could do something i think we got to do it i think we got to do it i think

1:36:11Luke Lafreniere:yeah didn't we even like find a case that we wanted to use did we i thought so yeah because i thought we like oh man you know what no no because you know how you oh this is hilarious you wanted to do a nas and then i held it hostage saying i only ever agreed to pay for your gaming pc i'll build you a nas but it has to be mineral oil cooled and you have to actually use it. Is this ringing a bell now? And then you were like, no I can't, I'll just build my own NAS because I'm concerned about the mineral oil and I was like, okay, suit yourself. And then you were like, I'm gonna build a NAS, oh wait, DRAM, I don't want to.

1:36:56Luke Lafreniere:They always come crawling back. They come crawling back from my DRAM.

1:37:01Linus Sebastian:You're gonna build, because it would be submerged, so you're gonna build me a flash-based NAS right now. I don't know if it'll be flash-based. You're gonna do a - why are we submersion cooling a hard drive now?

1:37:12Luke Lafreniere:Well, we won't subversion cool a hard drive. Oh, I guess we could! Helium hard drives are sealed now. Oh really? Yeah! We totally could! What the F? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pankratz is in the chat. It goes, yeah, hard drive's sealed now. Yeah, yeah, the high-capacity hard drives are sealed now. What? Okay, I've been out of that game.

1:37:32Linus Sebastian:Oh, that was a while back. That's kind of interesting, actually. Yeah. I don't know of any submerged hard drives yeah that makes it more interesting this is that the most

1:37:43Luke Lafreniere:submerged hard drive so far I oh dude dude yeah so so submersion as I knew

1:37:53Linus Sebastian:there was like helium drives but I didn't realize they were sealed yeah yeah

1:37:57Luke Lafreniere:they have to be because and they have no that makes sense the mega see I just didn't put together because helium is super super small molecule yeah yeah so They're trying to escape. Yeah, they need... I remember them explaining it to me back in the day. They needed even thicker... Like a thicker chassis or something because helium will just escape from things. Interesting. Yeah. Smollecule. Nice.

1:38:25Linus Sebastian:Xfin in FloatPlay chat. Yeah, people are already memeing the, like, I'll show you a submerged hard drive. Get it? Get it? No. Nice. Solid.

1:38:37Luke Lafreniere:it would be it would be solid but not solid state if your hard drive is solid for more than four hours

1:38:51alright

1:38:52Luke Lafreniere:hey we've got an update on the boink pentathlon speaking of solid hard drives it is now complete in this event LTT competed against 20 other teams by using computing power to support scientific research and progress. This year, we won silver overall thanks to our 93 participants. Across all projects, LTT earned over 845 million points. And I just want to do a special thanks to Pankratz from our team.

1:39:29Luke Lafreniere:Pankratz, you're in chat right now. Okay, first of all Aren't you supposed to be at work? What are time zones? What's he doing in chat? I think it might be And second of all Oh, okay, it's late And second of all, why are you personally donating To this project? The company can donate prizes to the project I think we did We did? Pancrets, you don't have to donate stuff I've done it for years, he says Okay, well thank you It's pretty cool. Special thanks to Pankratz, Dogwitch, Sequence211, and some anonymous forum members for donating a total of 27 prizes for the event. Additionally, 10 participants will be walking away with a$100 LTT store gift card.

1:40:18Luke Lafreniere:This is just a really cool forum community initiative that we're happy to continue to support. Maybe next year we'll take home the gold. I knew it was coming. I looked at the overall ranks. there's Lead Eater sitting at like 40 % almost. Well, yeah.

1:40:37Luke Lafreniere:Massive thanks to everyone who participated and to SETI Germany for hosting the competition. The final rankings and event summary can be found in the final blog, which is over at linistectips.com slash blogs. There's not a lot of posts, so it shouldn't take you long to find it. Lead Eater, absolute Chad.

1:40:57Luke Lafreniere:Alright, what else we got? Oh, we can collapse that one. Anthropics going public? Sure, everybody's going public. Well, you know, I actually find this to be a very interesting time. And I know that that's sort of like a witch doctor curse, may you live in interesting times. But this is an interesting... As someone who is not, you know, very invested, literally, in the stock market, I am quite invested in the story of the stock market right now, and I am finding it very interesting. Between SpaceX, OpenAI, Anthropic, all the money that is just chasing space and AI right now, what these mega IPOs are going to do to the financial markets is very interesting to me.

1:41:51Linus Sebastian:Since we talked about that everything is red topic earlier in the show, I did think that some of the people saying, oh, it's just being redistributed, and we couldn't find where it was redistributed to, it could be these upcoming IPOs. I had that thought while we were talking about other companies. Consolidating cash. So it could be preparing for things like this, the SpaceX IPO, etc. They might need, like you just said, cash on hand at the moment.

1:42:13Luke Lafreniere:So Anthropic, the company behind Cloud, as I like to call it, has confidentially filed what? It sounds classy. It's good. I like it. Has confidentially filed a draft S1 with the SEC for a proposed IPO. The filing comes less than a week after a$65 billion Series H round pushed the company's valuation to$965 billion, surpassing OpenAI's$852 billion. Crazy. No share count or pricing has been set, and the company says the offering depends on market conditions. Revenue run rate reportedly hit around$47 billion annualized as of May 2026, up from roughly$10 billion a year earlier. Anthropic does seem to be the one that is actually making this business model maybe kind of make financial sense.

1:43:05Luke Lafreniere:Maybe. This kicks off what Wedbush analysts are calling the floodgates for the IPO market. SpaceX is targeting a June 12th listing at up to a$2 trillion valuation. OpenAI is preparing its own confidential filing. and all three are racing to go public in what could be one of the most consequential IPO cycles since the dot-com era. What a thing to compare to. NASDAQ changed its index rules effective May 1st, cutting the waiting period for the NASDAQ 100 from three months to just 15 trading days for mega cap IPOs. FTSE Russell cut theirs to five days. Goldman Sachs estimates the NASDAQ change alone could trigger up to$60 billion in forced buying.

1:43:44Luke Lafreniere:Okay, so that's a whole thing. And that makes me deeply uncomfortable for anyone who's like retirement, like their 401k is just sort of buying these index funds. Because as soon as like a new mega cap stock is included, you like have to buy it. And then, you know, every contribution you make like force buys these things. Like if you were ever wondering how it is that Tesla's car sales can go down and they can fall way behind in robotics, which is apparently the future of their company. And like the stock doesn't just plummet. It's because once you're in these index funds, people are just it's just auto buying.

1:44:34Luke Lafreniere:And yeah, 60 billion dollars in forced buying.

1:44:40Luke Lafreniere:that's a terrifying amount of money if this does.com

1:44:47Linus Sebastian:yeah there is this is a side tangent thing but I want to say it before I forget Max O'Drive brought it up, I saw this news this morning did you see Google is going to pay SpaceX$920 million a month for compute, apparently that went through very recently, this whole thing is just the money floating around is insane. We've talked about the money cycle going between these companies before. Now it's going into renting entire data centers off each other. It's still going. They're finding, what did Sam Altman call it? Innovative financial solutions or something? I haven't heard that, but it sounds like this sort of thing.

1:45:28Linus Sebastian:He said something along the lines of OpenAI needs to focus more on financial innovation instead of just tech innovation. this was like a while ago yeah it's

1:45:40Luke Lafreniere:yeah Balster points out that if these get into the S &P it would be very dangerous for the government to let these things fail because that would wipe out pensions everywhere what if the S &P

1:45:56Linus Sebastian:wasn't 50k dude?

1:45:57Luke Lafreniere:which at a time where in general western populations are aging um wiping out pensions would put even further burden on the smaller this shaped younger generation to support them like as much as it's i think easy for gen z's and millennials and even some gen x's to kind of look at the boomers and go hey that just like bull run that was your entire life and all that net worth that you accumulated mostly passively you know FU and I hope it all collapses that wouldn't necessarily be good because I think in general it's better for that wealth to be preserved so that it can be transferred rather than for it to be completely just wiped off the face of the

1:46:52Linus Sebastian:earth right now but don't don't listen to me i'm not an economist um that's a good point uh dan dan in chat said this is why i keep telling people to stop being poor i don't know why no one listens to me what i should be in charge of the economy it just makes so much he did say that that is it Yeah, that is an interesting point. No one listens to me.

1:47:21Luke Lafreniere:It's getting very irritating.

1:47:25Luke Lafreniere:They literally sell bootstraps. Oh, wait, they don't have any money to buy them. Okay, maybe I haven't thought this through. What's next?

1:47:33Linus Sebastian:This is an off-current-topic thing that might be a good come-up for air. Oh, no, this is the one that I thought you were going to pick for the before show. This is so cool. This is very interesting. I was reading it before the show a little bit, but I didn't finish. Physicists just achieved perfect randomness for the first time, which made me do a huh when I first read that. Researchers at ETH Zurich have demonstrated a method for generating certifiably perfect random numbers. A longstanding challenge in cybersecurity, including, if you want to look into a really fun article, Cloudflare's lava lamps being like some of the solutions that they have for trying to generate random numbers.

1:48:16Linus Sebastian:Generating numbers that seem random is pretty easy, and there's a lot of different solutions for it. The hard part is proving that there's no hidden bias quietly steering the output, like, I don't know, the ambient temperature of the room that the lava lamps are in. But not from formulas, but from the physical imperfections and systemic errors in the hardware. Even previous quantum random number generators, like ones based on photons hitting beam splitters, carry these slight biases, which is what makes the results of perfect randomness quite notable. The ETH Zurich team took two quantum bits, or qubits, cooled them to near absolute zero, and placed them 30 meters apart.

1:49:00Linus Sebastian:The things we do for random numbers. For science! and then linked them through a cooled tube using microwave photons to create quantum entanglement. The distance is deliberate. It's far enough that the qubits can't secretly share information during a measurement, even at the speed of light, apparently. The clever part is what the team calls randomness amplification. What a great name for a band. It's a noise band called randomness amplification. they deliberately started with with imperfect biased random numbers and used them to decide how to measure the qubits, then fed those measured results through an algorithm that turns the flawed input into output they can certify as perfectly random, something that's known to be physically impossible to achieve using normal everyday physics.

1:49:56Linus Sebastian:It only works because of quantum mechanics. The other big deal is that the certification comes from the quantum behavior they actually observed, a device independent approach, rather than trusting the hardware. Long term, the researchers pitch it as an atomic clock for randomness. Yeah. A physically certified source that other systems can rely on to be checked against, which is actually really interesting. Yeah, right? This whole thing is wild, because one of the fun taglines for the nerds, which I have pulled out many a time, is that nothing is truly random. Like, you can't make truly random on a computer.

1:50:36Linus Sebastian:And then people go, like, okay, dude, yeah, but we're just trying to pick, like, one out of ten to pick a place to go for dinner. And it's like, okay, sure. But it has been true. It's been a real problem. I guess. I have to say has been now. For cryptographic applications, it's been a legitimate actual problem. Potentially user, sorry, yeah. potentially security vulnerabilities if people can figure out what the bias is and then find some way to plan for it. Which is not always easy, but sometimes it is. So, yeah. Gosh, I just thought this was so cool. And the lengths that they went to.

1:51:13Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, amazing.

1:51:15Linus Sebastian:This sounds awesome.

1:51:17Luke Lafreniere:30 meters, yes, we need to, 30 meters away, okay. They still can't communicate at light speed. Got em! This was awesome, very cool. Um, ProtonMail is letting folks send emails from their Gmail address. Which I didn't originally get, but sounds actually really cool. ProtonMail can now connect directly to Gmail, letting you send and receive Gmail messages from Proton while keeping your existing Gmail address. And that sounds like it defeats the purpose of using ProtonMail.

1:51:50Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

1:51:50Luke Lafreniere:At first. But wait. It's designed to make switching away from Gmail less painful. So what Proton can do is limit how much Google can learn from your email activity. If your contacts also use Proton, your emails can be end-to-end encrypted, preventing Google from getting into your sweet, sweet data. That's the big part. The feature improves privacy and inbox consolidation, even if Google still has access to emails sent to your Gmail account. This is more of a bridge than a complete replacement for Gmail. but what it can do is it can slowly but surely allow you to transition away.

1:52:29Linus Sebastian:Or if you do just basically want to stay for most everyday things but then have some very secure communication that you could route through it, it could also do that.

1:52:43Luke Lafreniere:Oh, our discussion question is, can you explain why email alternatives like Proton are so important? um the the topic preparer says i use gmail i always think about switching it up what's a gmail alternative like proton's pitch and what is the appeal i mean the appeal is encryption uh the fact that you pay for the product so you are not the product they're not reading your emails they're not using it to serve you targeted ads they're not selling a profile about you to advertisers it's just email I think it's like

1:53:22Linus Sebastian:I think there's a lot of push these days for locally hosted services data privacy stuff like that and I don't think it's because suddenly a massive part of the population is like doing bad things that they need to hide from people I think it's just things were already ridiculous and in the age of chatbots things are getting even more ridiculous in terms of grabbing your data and using it for potentially very negative things for you and it's just like i don't know if i have a bunch of stuff in my backpack i don't want to have my backpack just searched by any random person on the street maybe just screw off it's my backpack um it's not because i'm like hiding illicit substances or weapons or something in my backpack.

1:54:10Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, you're not Luigi. Who might not have had a weapon in there? We don't know.

1:54:16Linus Sebastian:I don't think you did. We don't know where that weapon came from. Nowhere. Didn't even exist. But it's just, yeah, I don't know. Just screw off. It's my stuff. So having the ability to just keep prying eyes away from your own things is good. I think a lot of these cloud companies know too much about us. and that's been true for a very long time but I think the tools to make that not as true it's still going to be pretty true but make that not as true are much more approachable and starting to actually become kind of fun and interesting it can still be pain to self host things but there are a lot more guides out there you can use public OLMs to help you learn how to set up local ones or other forms of local hosting.

1:55:08Linus Sebastian:And yeah, the tools are better. HexOS from... Hashtag. Hashtag. Investment disclosure for me. For him. And just, I mean, like PewDiePie's thing, it helps you set it up, right? So like there's, with the cookbook portion of the tool, there's just a lot more resources and it's a lot more approachable than it's ever been. So people are finally kind of taking the leap

1:55:38another leap

1:55:40Luke Lafreniere:is the leap that Wildcat Lake made in laptop affordability across the PC industry manufacturers are using Intel's new low power Wildcat Lake CPUs to build affordable yet seemingly premium laptops we're talking thin designs long battery life metal construction high refresh rate displays, and even performance that comfortably handles everyday workloads. What makes the trend notable is that these machines are no longer just competing on spec, as we've normally seen at the low end of the Windows laptop range. The emphasis is instead on delivering a polished experience at mainstream prices, with some of the aforementioned features appearing in laptops that would have been considered budget-priced devices just a few years ago.

1:56:36Luke Lafreniere:Dell's new XPS 13 is one of the most prominent Wildcat Lake laptops announced so far, pairing Intel's new chip with a CNC aluminum chassis, a 13.4-inch, 2.5K, up to 120Hz variable refresh rate touchscreen, and a weight of less than 1kg, and the pricing starts at$699 US, or$599 for students. Dude, did you touch it? No. Did you touch my Wildcat? I did not touch your Wildcat. It's pretty sick. It only has two Type Cs, unfortunately, to get it as thin and slick as it is. The Asus has a little bit more reasonable IO, but they haven't announced pricing. But, dude, the Dell, it feels like...

1:57:18Linus Sebastian:I heard a lot of people were really into Dell, this show.

1:57:21Luke Lafreniere:It feels like it should start at, like,$12.99.

1:57:25Linus Sebastian:It's really interesting with the Neo sparking these like super premium cheap laptops.

1:57:31Luke Lafreniere:So Dell insisted. It must have been already coming. Dell insisted. They were like, we telegraphed this move before, like way before that we were going to do a like very aggressively priced entry level into, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever. But I'm looking at it going like, right, but like, did you say that because, you know, the scuttlebutt in the industry was that Apple was going to be pricing the Neo so aggressively?

1:57:56Linus Sebastian:I was going to say, it's probably because they got tipped off relatively early. You learn after being in this industry for a while, there's a lot of people that just kind of float between companies. I guarantee you there's people at Dell that used to work at Apple and vice versa.

1:58:10Luke Lafreniere:so you know whatever dell might claim it really does seem like the xps 13 is directly targeting

1:58:19Linus Sebastian:the neo on price it's also interesting because apparently i i think i read this this morning as well um but apple is like massively ramping production of the neo apparently they doubled

1:58:30Luke Lafreniere:it yeah which like that's crazy dude i look i'm i'm not uh i'm not an analyst or whatever but i could have told them that that thing was going to just fly off the shelves so they just they nailed it they completely redefined what people expect from an entry-level laptop and i'm so glad i it's always frustrating for me to see how quickly the pc industry could have done something awesome or how quickly android phone makers could have done something awesome always stuck following which is so frustrating but but fine whatever if we just have to let apple take the lead and then eventually thanks to apple we get better stuff i've said this many times thank you apple yeah not because necessarily i use all your products i really like some of your products i'm a big fan of the airpods pro line um you know oh yeah yeah airpods airpods enjoyers both of us um But all the other stuff that I don't care to use day to day, I still appreciate because it makes everyone else do it a little bit better.

1:59:35Luke Lafreniere:Great job. And Wildcat Lake looks legitimately exciting. The performance isn't amazing, but multi-threaded, it should be pretty close to the A18 Pro that's in the MacBook Neo, even though the A18 Pro does have a single-thread advantage. But also, you know, some of these PC makers, you know, might think to actually cool Panther Lake, or excuse me, Wildcat Lake. Apple doesn't really see fit to do that So I think there's going to be some Some kind of give and take on the performance side And man the devices feel good Everything we touch felt good I would have guessed that the Neo was going to

2:00:07Linus Sebastian:Be really strong I was really

2:00:13Linus Sebastian:...users it went. I know a lot of people who have never used Max that got a Neo. That was pretty crazy. It's a compelling package. Speaking of compelling package, Noctua shows off improved Thermosiphon prototype. Noctua dedicated some booth space at Computex 2026 to show off their ongoing work on their passively circulated liquid cooling. The Thermosiphon heatsink works by... I would say fluid cooling. It's two-phase. Yeah, okay.

2:00:45Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

2:00:46Linus Sebastian:Yeah, fair enough. I like that. The thermo-siphon. He'd say works by... There's like XCS. Works by exposing fluid in a closed loop. Oh, my goodness. Typos are going to mess me up right now. In a closed loop to a heat source. The CPU in this case, the heated... Do you want me to do this?

2:01:09Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Okay. Noctua dedicated some booth space at Computex to show off their ongoing work on passively circulated fluid cooling. Their thermosiphon works by exposing fluid in a closed loop to a heat source, in this case, the CPU. The heated liquid becomes a gas, entering a condenser, so that sits up and takes the role of your traditional radiator in your water cooling, where it sheds the heat reverting to a liquid naturally falling down condensing you might even say to the bottom of the loop it's a simple principle but it gets quite a bit trickier when it meets the real world and many companies have tried to do this we've shown off prototypes at computex before yeah noctua demoed their last prototype last year running i believe it was a 9800 or 7800 X3D or something like that running a game.

2:02:03Luke Lafreniere:And it was not throttling, but it was only running a game. This year, they stepped it up. They were running a 9950 X3D at a package power tracking of 230 watts. So they were running an OCCT load on it. And they put it right next to a triple fan, traditional pumped radiator system. and both of them were within about two to three degrees depending on which way the breeze was kind of flowing within the booth yeah that's awesome very impressive just a little over 80 degrees on both of them no pump is it is it silent hard to tell on the show floor that's fair because i have encountered other pumpless systems there's that case that we did a video on a little while ago um that was like the the calios strecom collaboration case and it makes a distinct beautiful system um yeah it's it's in my basement yeah i could not take it apart i just incredibly i couldn't allow it to happen yeah gorgeous gorgeous system um but it has a distinct uh sound that i think has been best described as the sound of a toilet tank refilling from another room just kind of like a trickly boily yeah exactly

2:03:21Linus Sebastian:which is compared to a soft whirring of a fan or a very very quiet pump that is going to sound very consistent might actually

2:03:32Luke Lafreniere:be worse it doesn't matter in the context of where I have the system deployed it's in the rec room so it's mostly used for VR so you have a VR headset on so whatever

2:03:41Linus Sebastian:it looks so cool

2:03:42Luke Lafreniere:but I haven't heard just how silent Noctua's is just yet.

2:03:47Linus Sebastian:I also saw a two-phase system. It was not like this at all. And there was technically pumps involved. But it was an immersion-cooled system where the boiling point was like 30 degrees Celsius. That's cool. So they had a pump and huge, massive triple rad, and each fan was like this big. And I think it was four or five fans per thing. It's for a 4U server. This is not for your computer at all. I'll take two. Unless you have a four-use server at home, which our audience might. Yeah, exactly.

2:04:26Linus Sebastian:I realized that while saying, like, not for your system at home, that both people I'm talking to right now have one. I'll take two. Oh, yeah, fair. Fair. Darn it. All the people I'm trying to bring it up. Okay, whatever. All right. Not for most people. But, yeah, so they were water-cooling with a pump. a pipe that went through the main chamber that once it, like, evaporated, it would condense on the pipe and then come back down. So it was not at all for noise. Sick. It was just a method of cooling for them, which is interesting. Hey, after last week's explosion,

2:05:05Luke Lafreniere:Blue Origin has vowed to launch a new rocket sometime this year. New Glenn. Yep, New Glenn rocket. Their New Glenn rocket blew up during a pre-launch hot fire test, destroying the vehicle and damaging its only active launch pad. The blast was dramatic enough to trigger industry-wide doubts that New Glenn could fly again before 2027. But despite that, Blue Origin CEO Dave Limp is projecting a surprisingly fast recovery. Key infrastructure, fuel tanks, water systems, some flight hardware survived, and Blue Origin said it expects to launch New Glenn again before the end of 2026, which if they can pull it off is good news for Artemis, good news for space, good news for just sort of in general.

2:05:50Linus Sebastian:You know, I'm stoked to hear the vow. There is a lot of energy in space travel and rocketry right now, both literally and figuratively. I was going to say. And I suspect that they will put a lot of effort behind this. some of the damage is pretty intense yeah um but money can solve a lot of time yeah so maybe

2:06:14Luke Lafreniere:they'll figure it out um i mean i'm when you have when you have you know me money you could wait six months for you know someone to look at a building permit when you have bezos money they'll look at it now so maybe maybe they can get this done yeah yeah there's also like in this

2:06:34Linus Sebastian:case the government is like literally backing them which i think helps that whole situation as well uh like there's there's there's some stuff behind it maybe maybe they'll start uh cooking on this real quick but as far as my understanding goes it should take longer than this to fully understand all the damage so uh we'll we'll see how that goes hopefully it's

2:06:54Luke Lafreniere:hopefully it's good gilmore d in float plane chat says wait wait wait the ceo of blue penis rocket company is named Mr. Limb. Did I hear that right?

2:07:05Linus Sebastian:That is pretty funny. There's a disgusting question that said I've asked before, but when are we going to see Linus in space? Are explosions like this one holding you back from taking a trip to the stars? Did you know that the LTC screwdriver has been used to make satellites? Did you know that? No? Yeah, it totally has.

2:07:23Luke Lafreniere:Really? Oh yeah. The LTC screwdriver has made a lot of stuff. We've sold over a quarter million screwdrivers. They're out there it's um it's actually pretty funny every time someone shows up on the forum or the ltd subreddit or realistically anywhere like dunking on the ltd screwdriver blah blah blah overpriced blah blah blah this or whatever you know this is not a real tool it's a toy for you know geeks or whatever people come crawling out of the woodwork being like i am an aviation mechanic and here's my like Battle Wars, it's the best screwdriver I've ever owned, you need to shut your damn mouth.

2:07:59People are passionate about their tools.

2:08:03Luke Lafreniere:People really like the screwdriver. No, in general, though, about tools. Oh, yeah. People treat tools like a freaking religion.

2:08:10Linus Sebastian:If you thought Xbox and PlayStation was bad, just walk into a group of people who really like Milwaukee with, I don't know, the yellow team or something and see what happens. What did you say about Milwaukee? Did you see people using Milwaukee? It gets hot pretty fast.

2:08:24Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, no, it's, and so to have us in that same conversation is actually really funny to me because it's not something that I ever really thought about as we were working on tools. Sorry, what?

2:08:38Linus Sebastian:Dan Good said, actively using my LTT screwdriver to fix Google servers at a data center right now.

2:08:43Luke Lafreniere:Yep. Miu says, LTT screwdriver has made feral animal traps for the Australian government. like it's just dude people you can talk about a man's appearance you can talk about a man's penis size you can even talk about a man's wife and children but if you talk about his tools he's gonna throw hands maybe not the kids maybe not the kids the kids might be the one no it's the tools the tools are the children dude I've met people like that though like their trucks and their tools like it's I was gonna say trucks is kind of up there red line yeah yeah it's so

2:09:26Linus Sebastian:funny we should we're rapidly running out of time we're rapidly approaching a deconstruction event of the show I'm Chinese rocket rocket a deconstruction event.

2:09:41Luke Lafreniere:A rapid deconstructing event. Okay, we do need to do the LTT store callout. Dan, are you able to show the screen so that I can read at the same time as show the tab? Oh, wait, you know what? I'll just... No. I can read it. No, you can't. Okay. I can show the screen. Oh, you can show the screen. Nice. That'll work great. No, no, the next one over. Give me a sec.

2:10:10Linus Sebastian:Oh, there we go. Nice. Solid.

2:10:12Luke Lafreniere:I don't have one yet, so hold on. Nice. Yeah, he's got this. This week, Creator Warehouse has achieved peak comfort. Luke, we've done it. Great job. We are launching our Super Soft Crew and Super Soft Shorts. They're made of the same unbelievably soft fleece as our fan favorite super soft hoodie with a generous relaxed fit. And they're designed with welt pockets. For those who don't know what welt means, it's a sleek internal pocket that's built directly into the fabric rather than sewn on top. Basically, it's an elevated, more premium look. Did I mention, by the way, that these pockets are big enough for your phone or random capable charger?

2:11:02Luke Lafreniere:and the shorts have no less than three pockets. So get comfy and head over to lmg.gg slash supersoft collection. This is the part where I would normally, if we were doing a longer show, say, hey, checkout messages. You can send a checkout message when you go ahead and place an order. But I think we're just relying on the people who already knew about that to do a few comms at the end of the show here. But yeah, go check out the new supersoft crew and shorts. By the way, I think we have finally struck a pretty fun chord with our audience with the If Buying Isn't Owning t-shirt from last week. That was our most successful t-shirt launch in a very, very long time.

2:11:56People

2:11:57Luke Lafreniere:are freaking loving this shirt. Yeah, I think we might have to do a restock on this bad boy. Yeah, get wrecked.

2:12:09Linus Sebastian:Oh, you can't see Luke's screen. I swear it's always my people. My size is always sold out on everything.

2:12:17Luke Lafreniere:I mean, you're definitely the target demo. XLTalls? For this shirt, yeah.

2:12:25Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I came up with... I think I came up with another fun one. was it related to this? Hold on, I have to check my emails to bridge it. Oh yeah! Yeah, okay, okay. I want to do a hat that just has like an ISO icon on it. Yeah. That's pretty good. Yeah. So like, I feel like there's, I feel like, you know, I don't want to go straight like, let's do an LTT eye patch. You know?

2:12:58Linus Sebastian:Would you do ISO icon on the front and then as a badge right there? Yeah, you could do a skull crossbow. Do those skull crossbow.

2:13:05Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, so I want to do some more coded references. We don't want to be overt about it. We want to keep it real subtle. Well, okay, the parrot with the... It's a little direct. The hat can be more subtle. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's kind of fun. and it's honest is what it is.

2:13:32Luke Lafreniere:This is fun. The UK's Competition and Markets Authority, or CMA, has ordered Google to let publishers opt out of AI overviews. The CMA was able to impose this because it designated Google as having a strategic market status in general search, and it has similar investigations ongoing into Apple and Microsoft, so this likely isn't a one-off. The ruling lands after Google announced that it would significantly expand AI overviews in search, prompting backlash from publishers who are worried about losing traffic. It requires Google to let publishers block AI overviews from pulling their content via a toggle in Google Search Console at both the directory and page level and guarantees that opting out won't hurt a site's regular search rankings.

2:14:14Luke Lafreniere:The catch, though, is that sites that opt out get zero traffic and zero impressions from AI features, so you are trading exposure for protection. Yeah, I think you're going to effectively get deranked, even if it's not, like, officially. The ruling also makes proper attribution mandatory when a site's content is used to generate a summary, and gives publishers the option to stop Google from using their work to fine-tune its models. Ooh, that... If you can actually prevent them from doing that. Proper attribution... I mean... ...is going to be a problem. Better citation is definitely something I'd like to see from AI summaries.

2:14:48Linus Sebastian:One of the tricks that I do to try to get my AI stuff to... It's not to get it to hallucinate less, it's to catch it faster when it does, is to make it cite sources and then actually go look at the sources, because often it just, like, hallucinates a URL. So, hmm.

2:15:09Luke Lafreniere:We'll see how well that goes. Notably, Google thought this, as it argued in February, that excessive attribution of lots of sources may worsen the user experience and lead to fewer clicks, not more. Bruh. Uh-uh. No. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. They essentially claimed users don't want to see where the information came from. Don't care. Google now has nine months to fully comply with an implementation plan due within one month. The CMA plans to assess the ruling's impact on publisher web traffic before considering whether Google should be paying publishers directly for their content. This is good progress, in my opinion.

2:15:43Luke Lafreniere:Let's see how it goes, and hopefully this continues to expand before the entire independent web dies. All right. Which it is doing. Why don't we do a couple of comms here, and then we'll call it. We've got a thing to do. Sure. Okay, sorry. Last thing before that. I had so much fun shooting a not Computex video this week. Oh, yeah. I think my favorite video of the week was actually not Computex. I went back to the tech mall.

2:16:12Linus Sebastian:I don't even know. Sorry, I'll let you finish. No, no, go ahead. I was going to say, I don't even know. The video is not even out yet. And I want you to expand on this concept.

2:16:22Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

2:16:23Linus Sebastian:Watching you do the thing while I was there was like, yeah, this is cool. From a chair in the corner.

2:16:34Linus Sebastian:They never even gave me a chair. I had to stand.

2:16:40Luke Lafreniere:Damn. That is the ultimate. That's the ultimate.

2:16:48Luke Lafreniere:Can you get any lower while also being up higher?

2:16:56Luke Lafreniere:Anyway, sorry. So the last couple of years at Computex, the first time, I don't remember why we did it the first time. But then the second time, because the first time was really successful and fun and good vibes. but basically we've gone to this local tech mall and just bought over-the-top computers and then given them away on the street. And that was fun, but I felt like, okay, it's played out now. How do we mix this up? How do we flip the script? How do we subvert expectations? And I was like, I'm not going to shop at the tech mall. I'm going to work at the tech mall. So I reported for duty.

2:17:40Luke Lafreniere:uh was it two days ago not yesterday the day before i put on my i put on my apron yeah and i said okay boss what do i do i saw and i went back to the store that we bought the system from the very first year so two years ago and he was my boss for the day he built that system troubleshoot this reinstall windows on that water cool this bend this tube he left for like long periods of time I don't know if you know this no he would like leave for 20 minutes half an hour to go pick up a customer's are made you know GPU or like do whatever he's got to do yeah we had an issue with one of the builds where a lot of those shops are single owner operator and this will happen yep don't do that um and and so one of the issues that I had with one of the builds that I was working on was that the backplate on the GPU wouldn't fit with the oversized RAM cooler that the customer wanted.

2:18:44Luke Lafreniere:They were interfering because of the thick backplate. So we had to use a GPU riser in order to even complete the build. And we had the cage for the for the for this vertical GPU kit, but we didn't actually have the riser cable. So I was able to test fit it with the cage but he had to like go just to another store and like buy a kit so that i could complete the build so i was like working on another system in the meantime i forget where i was going with this but like he left he was gone and like if anyone came to the store it was me and google translate um like i had no training so i was just like writing people's names and the issues with their computers on scraps of paper like i just do what you can dude it was so much fun i'm actually very proud of the result of one of the things that i did i don't think you saw it not the final dude i'm assuming i know what you're talking about but not the final i've still got it

2:19:48Linus Sebastian:oh oh you mean the skill oh yeah i thought you meant the thing and i was like i thought that

2:19:52Luke Lafreniere:It was a customer build. No, I still got it, brother. Heck yeah. I did a 90-degree bend by hand, put it down on the tile. Perfect. Perfect. Nice. Actually perfect. Nice. Dude, I still got it. Anyway, it was a lot of fun, and I'm really excited for that video to come out. It's going to be freaking awesome. All right, let's do a couple of comps. Yeah, sure. I've just got a couple here for you. If you had to do your job for a week using only your phone, would you be able to manage? Or would it be an actual problem for the company? Also, shipping seems faster these days to the UK. Think. Ooh.

2:20:40Luke Lafreniere:So, I want to try. However, I think I would have to use something like the Z Fold, or the Tri Fold, excuse me, from Samsung that supports DeX because there's no way that I could do like script review, like collaborative work on just a phone size screen. That would not work for me. But I think if I could use Samsung DeX, I could probably get by. We don't really review raw footage or i don't have to review raw footage over the network anymore we use frame io so that would have been one of the obstacles in the past that would have prevented me from doing that otherwise i think i could pull it off as long as i can use a keyboard mouse and a large monitor um as for shipping um random shout out to mr tony he has been uh behind the scenes oh yeah doing doing stuff yeah doing the work we had a lot of operational debt in creator warehouse for years and that's not that's not a shot at anybody but Tony's been doing great when you're when you're when you're learning when you're building the plane while you're flying it and moving fast it's sometimes you know stuff happens and you just got it you're just gonna kind of solve problems and deal with that later, you know.

2:22:11Luke Lafreniere:But Tony has come in and basically, from the outside, improved nothing. But from the inside, just fixed the damn machine. Like, okay, at risk of revealing too much about the challenges that we had in the early days, I think it was about a year ago, I was made aware that every return that had ever been returned to creator warehouse was still sitting in a corner of the warehouse on giant stacked pallets so all of them that's when we did those like sale things those those blind boxes yeah yeah because that was just like every return we'd ever had we went through it graded it made sure it was still in good condition or whatever because a lot of it's still brand new um logistics is really hard and people to to a lot of people it's so simple i order things on amazon and they just arrived the next day.

2:23:08Luke Lafreniere:It's so simple. It's like, yeah. Yeah, for Amazon. We're not Amazon. You know, and I don't think you want us to be Amazon. Yeah. Like, it's complicated. And the fact that we are a company at the relatively tiny scale that we are and we ship to so many countries is crazy. I don't want to make any promises other than that I know that Tony's working on it. But one of the things that people have thought is just insane that we don't offer is the ability to choose your own shipper. Oh. Your own shipping provider. We don't allow it. We just ship with the one shipping provider. And the reason for that is that it decomplicatifies our logistics and gets us better rates.

2:23:51Luke Lafreniere:So that our overall shipping can be more price competitive. Yeah. But that's something that I know that he is actively working super hard on. And that a lot of people are going to be really excited for. so yeah massive shout out mr. tony for uh for all for all the logistics work that he's been doing and and a lot of it has been especially not visible because it's been around dealing with like tariff crap that ended up being completely unnecessary because they were deemed illegal yeah they're coming back yeah i saw that unless they're not unless they're not yeah who knows the straight's open unless it isn't you know true

2:24:31Luke Lafreniere:I can't hear, by the way. I don't know. You can hear me?

2:24:33Linus Sebastian:I can't hear anything. Oh, why not? I never unplugged it.

2:24:37Luke Lafreniere:Hello? Sorry, can you hear this? Call the bondulance. I meant from Dan primarily. Oh, okay. Well, here, you can just read it on here. I have it up. Sure. Okay, go for it, Dan. Just bought an LTT bag. Hi! Anyway, hi, Luke. Specifically, question for everyone. I have started a computer repair service. I'd like some professional opinions for stuff like pricing and values. Let me know when he's done. Love you.

2:25:02Linus Sebastian:I'll let you go first. Oh, no. I meant let me know when Dan's done. Oh, he's done talking. I might. Thanks, man. Ooh, tough time to get into that. It's, I don't know. It might not be a super tough time because I'm assuming people are going to try to keep their systems going for a lot longer than they did in the past. So you might be able to find a niche of people who just really can't upgrade right now. And software issues never completely go away. Yeah, I think it's less lucrative of a market now because I think antivirus is just like way, way better than it was in like the early 2010s, late 20 zeros.

2:25:44Linus Sebastian:pricing I have no idea values I've kind of always been on the side of like you know the automotive shop that I know that's near me that has like the longest wait list is also the one that is most reputable for like not scamming their customers and stuff and if you get known as someone that people can reliably go to who will actually fix problems and charge not a low price but a reasonable price for the job that you do hopefully that will continue getting you customers i can't

2:26:19Luke Lafreniere:speak from experience on this because i've never tried to put together a pricing model for a repair shop but what i can tell you is that as someone who has thought about what that model might look like the way that I would want to tackle Luke's not cheap but fair vibe is not quite it doesn't have to be like per minute but like a 15 minute increment billing instead of like you know we start at one hour so you know maybe you could do 15 or half hour increment billing but at like a higher hourly rate or something like that like i could see i could see something like um or like you know or or doing parts on like a cost plus model with transparency like i always loved that about my mechanic shop um back when i had to do you know like oil changes and stuff before i don't

2:27:14Linus Sebastian:hide that because basically everybody does that because so just don't hide the fact that you're

2:27:17Luke Lafreniere:doing no oscar would give me an itemized list down to like a 13 cent gasket and he would have

2:27:25Linus Sebastian:his markup on it you're charging he's charging you 15 cents for that gasket and you know it cost

2:27:30Luke Lafreniere:him 13 exactly and and everything was transparent and really honest um and like a big part of building trust is you know never advise if someone comes in asking to spend money advising them if

2:27:44Linus Sebastian:they shouldn't that's really really important um so something i ran into because i was doing this for a little bit out of high school. Something I ran into is where the money was for me was in service contracts or even individual jobs for fairly small businesses, making sure that their systems were secure. I worked with a lot of like, it would be like a notary public, notary public, not republic, anyways. And like small little law firms and stuff like that where like they cared about their data security, where the loss of all their data could be the loss of their company. So that was a valuable thing to them.

2:28:27Linus Sebastian:They cared about that. But the job for you isn't necessarily hyper-complicated. You just need a way to be able to jump into their systems quickly and reliably. You need to make sure that their security stuff is well up to date and that the usage of their computers is locked down enough that it is reasonably secure. And you're kind of like, I found it useful to literally walk through their little office. It was always really small because I was a small time operation myself. You were. I mean, not that small.

2:29:04Luke Lafreniere:You were never as small as me, for instance.

2:29:07Linus Sebastian:But walk through their office and make sure no one's doing sticky note passwords and stuff like that. like look, observe, and actually act on those things. That's where I found a decent amount of money. I don't think this person is suggesting that they're opening a shop because they said they've started a service. Yeah, mobile service seems like kind of a pretty cool way to go.

2:29:29Luke Lafreniere:Definitely the way to go.

2:29:30Linus Sebastian:I would not open a brick and mortar.

2:29:32Luke Lafreniere:Back when I was still working at the computer store and my aunt and uncle have always really encouraged me to pursue entrepreneurship in some form. I don't think they would have predicted this whole YouTube thing. Sure. But my aunt came up with this kind of fun name for a business that she called Nephew to the Rescue. And she was like, yeah, she was like, basically her concept for it was like tech repair by bike, essentially. And you recruit, whether it's through like an affiliate type program or whether it's like a partnership, you recruit nephews to try to sort of cover a geographical region.

2:30:13Luke Lafreniere:And by doing everything just with like kind of your kit on a bicycle and bringing it to service to people, you could be competitive with something like a Geek Squad by keeping your overhead super low. and the idea is just that you know you're not like a major corporate sort of scary thing fair and reasonable friendly pricing and um knowledgeable nephews to kind of come in and uh and help you with your tech stuff and uh it seemed like a really cool idea but i was not at a stage in my life where i was you know ready to start a business um but it legitimately seems like yeah Yeah, kind of a pretty fun branding for it and a kind of neat model actually.

2:30:59Linus Sebastian:Pankrat said, having been in computer support business in the past, it will vary from market to market, but business IT support will be$150 to$200 an hour pretty easily in most places, but most lean towards standardized contracts like support contracts and stuff. Obviously, more consumer-facing stuff will be a bit less, but I wouldn't expect much less than$100 an hour. Something I liked about standardized contracts was if you do a really good job, you might not need to do any work that month and you still get paid, which is pretty sweet. But that also means that if a proverbial poop hits the fan and say it's like a wide attack that's hitting potentially all of the places that you're servicing, you might also have a really terrible month.

2:31:46Linus Sebastian:But yeah, with that, we are over time.

2:31:48Luke Lafreniere:Someone finally noticed. That we're flipped? Yeah, someone asked if our faces are... Yeah, here it is. You should unflip it for the... Urban Fervor says, Am I on drugs or are Linus and Luke's faces slightly warped? Yeah, go for it, Dan. Yeah, flip it back and then we can say goodbye. Yeah, sure. There you go. And I never got to use my technical difficulties background. They work so hard on it. There you go. All right

2:32:23Luke Lafreniere:Notice how the text on my shirt is facing the right way now. Yeah, I'm bamboozled

2:32:32Luke Lafreniere:Just give give people a hard time for relief. All right. Thanks for tuning in guys. See you again next week same bad time Same bad channel. Bye. Bye

2:32:49Linus Sebastian:What the f***? Who's this from? Oh.

2:32:56Luke Lafreniere:That's cool.

2:33:01Luke Lafreniere:Okay. I want to show off. I want to show off my technical difficulties background. I'm too proud of it.

2:33:16Luke Lafreniere:There we go.

2:33:20Luke Lafreniere:Thanks for tuning in, everybody.