I Love The Steam Machine More Already - WAN Show June 26, 2026

33:15AJ in Full Plane chat this is like LMG Full Plane AJ said I'm thinking of adding a GPU to my NAS and running a SteamOS VM for my TV that's pretty cool that's it that's pretty cool actually that's a cool leave it to AJ to come up with a cool I was literally the words out of my mouth so man he came up with one I sent it to Linus I don't want to spoil it but AJ came up with an idea that is freaking sick. And if we do it, I'm pretty excited. Commander Queen here says, if you need Linux pre-installed, you really shouldn't be using Linux. But see, that's one of the reasons that I think SteamOS is so important because pre-installed Linux, here by the way, is fine as long as somebody is making sure that a bunch of dependencies don't go out of date or someone is making sure that the latest kernel is working fine with the hardware that you're using or whatever it is.

34:17That's exactly where SteamOS comes in, is because if you're running that hardware that they expect, you are having that curated experience, you are getting those updates on a reasonable cadence, someone else is doing the busy work for you so you can enjoy everything that's good about Linux and just be a user of Linux rather than a tinkerer with Linux. And that is 100 % the experience I'm having so far. Yeah, and you can enjoy both, or you can go for a more open, up-to-you type distro or desktop environment or whatever on the Linux side. But it's all about choice. But yeah, that's I think where the answer kind of lies, is like there are ways to approach Linux Where yeah, you should I mean you should probably know how to install it There's also ways to approach Linux where like you don't need to at all.

35:10I remember way back in the day. I had my mom running Little bun to you. I think you said it was a been to probably yeah on like a netbook Mm-hmm just cuz it was like so cheap like three gigs of RAM or whatever So it was the only thing that would run on it And it was the netbook was so dirt cheap that if you added a Windows license It would like double the cost so like it just it didn't make any sense And it was fine because what she needed was a browser and effectively LibreOffice. Yeah. So, like, my mom is familiar with LibreOffice for whatever reason. Nice. Just because that, like, series of events that happened.

35:43And it was completely fine. It wasn't really a problem because Ubuntu was fine. She wouldn't have installed it. Ados says, Linus, you said you shouldn't buy a pre-built custom water cooling PC if you can't build one yourself due to maintenance. And I agree. sort of the same as Linux except that I just explained why it's not the same thing this is Linux the fact that I that I can't install it doesn't mean that I can't run it it came pre-installed on my phone it's Linux based that's like the whole point is that if you are rolling something kind of custom something kind of cutting edge then yeah what you're saying is true but if you are running a curated linux in the same way that if you're running a a custom water cooled pc where the technician checks in on it every few months to you know make sure all the seals are good some maintenance yeah exactly this is like running linux with a maintenance contract somebody else is going to make sure that it's always working that's why it's different um hey i really wonder what sorry i just i was just thinking i really wonder what the experience is like i want to spend some time with steam os because it is arch based so like it should actually be you should be capable of doing a lot of damage if you poke around under the hood i think i mean it's immutable though so like it should keep you from doing too much stupid steam os yeah oh interesting okay it should be pretty hard to break it too badly i mean i'm pretty good at it okay so yeah i could probably do it i don't think i would want to run that on my desktop then because i like the tinkering aspect so i'm not i'm not dogging on it's just i've enjoyed that part of it but again that brings me back to like it might even seem weird but that might make it more i'm quite happy with mint i have no desire to change but um if i was starting again from fresh that might make it more interesting for my laptop where i honestly don't want to tinker at all yeah um but i have been really enjoying running linux on there because i swear everything you just said it boots up really fast it shuts down really fast it goes to sleep perfectly fine the updates are lightweight it doesn't bother me at all it it there isn't a ton of unnecessary stuff i can just get into things really quickly like i am it has finally passed that test of i kept trying to run linux for work for years and i kept going back to windows because it was in my way more than windows was and at this point not even because linux or windows has gotten so much worse which it has linux has gotten so much better that it's actually just very efficient and i am more productive running a lightweight easy to use distro on my laptop than any windows install just very interesting to me and i don't think about it like ever i never think about the fact that i'm like oh i'm using linux on my laptop i just it just never comes up

38:51meanwhile on the windows side of things on june 9th microsoft released the largest patch tuesday update in the entire program's 23 year history, fixing 208 security vulnerabilities, including 38 that were rated critical and three publicly disclosed zero days. Very good, very good, very good. Since then, that same update has created bugs on every supported version of Windows, not just Windows 11. Bugs include recycle bin file name issues. When the confirmation dialog to permanently delete a file shows up, it displays the file's internal storage identifier, something like$ $R4F7A2C instead of the human-readable file name.

39:37Nice. Note that the list view still shows the correct name, and the restored files come back unchanged, but the delete prompt is functionally useless for confirming what it is exactly that you're about to nuke. Microsoft formally blamed that one on a security-hardening change that closed a 23-year-old unchecked buffer vulnerability in the Windows Shell's desktop.ini processor. The fix for that isn't expected until July 14th, And the bug effects Windows 11 versions, 23H2 through 26H1, Windows 10, 22H2, and every LTSC and LTSB version. Also, Windows Server from 2012 through 2025. There's also BitLocker lockouts on enterprise hardware.

40:16Corporate devices are rebooting straight into the BitLocker recovery screen after installing the update. One administrator reported pushing the update to 300 machines overnight, and 42 failed to boot by morning. This is impacting mostly HP EliteBook 840G10s, a bunch of other EliteBooks, and some select Dell Precision laptops. The cause of this one is that the update's new secure boot certificate data changes the trusted platform module's boot environment measurements enough so that BitLocker treats the boot as potentially tampered with and demands the 48-digit recovery key. Oh, that's so annoying.

40:51That's so funny. On HP Enterprise units that shipped with a 100-megabyte EFI system partition, the certificate refresh doesn't fit and errors out. Microsoft's AI support tool told affected administrators who didn't have recovery keys that the only available resolution is a full OS wipe and Windows reinstall, which means losing all locally stored data on the device. Meanwhile, other issues that Microsoft hasn't formally acknowledged yet. OneDrive seems to be broken on corporate PCs. The shortcut in File Explorer sidebar still appears, but it can't be used to access the files. System freezes within five minutes of boot on some Windows 11 machines.

41:33In some cases, the freeze hits so fast users can't reach settings to uninstall the update. Over 150 blue screen of death reports in 48 hours, including a DPC watchdog violation boot loop, where the system crashes during startup, reboots, and then crashes again in a cycle. Broken Word and Excel automation in third-party line of business apps, e.g. commercial dental software like Dentrix and SoftDent, because of a change in how Windows hands off com calls to office. there's no confirmed link between the use of ai for development and this catastrophe of bugs but users on reddit and twitter are pointing to satya nadella's disclosure that roughly 30 percent of microsoft's code is ai generated as a potential cause for these quality concerns it's hard to not acknowledge that it really isn't it that sounds like you might hit the nail on the head there a little bit.

42:23Way to go users on Reddit. You did it this time. Yeah. We did it at Reddit. Maybe, yeah. We found the culprit. Wasn't there a, hold on, wasn't there a discussion question and stuff on there? Now we're shrinking it too fast. Did any LMG systems get impacted by this? Not as far as I know. I haven't seen anything. Yeah, that's why I collapsed it. Overall, I just think it's funny what a refreshing experience I've had this week running SteamOS while also reading about the absolute hell that people are going through on Windows right now. I'm so happy that happens to you because I felt kind of insane this whole time being like, it's just working.

43:02Oh, just like Linux? Yeah, I was like, I don't know what to tell you. It's just fine. I don't know. My favorite is the short circuit where I have that laptop with Linux pre-installed and I just, I like install Steam or something and then I go to reboot it and the entire OS is corrupted. And you saw the one with Wade's Dankpods machine. I did nothing. I have since seen the laptop one. You told me to watch it and I saw it, yeah. I did nothing. You saw me. I did nothing. Hadn't he been running that fine for like months or something? Oh, Wade's machine? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was like his daily driver install.

43:39I did nothing to it. So I'm just happy that it's happened once. At least we got one. Thank goodness. A little magical little box, dude. You know what? Even during Linux Challenge, the things that worked well didn't always work perfectly well. Sure. It's probably down to the MediaTek Wi-Fi chipset that I was using in my weird Strix Halo laptop, but I couldn't connect to some access points. whereas this so far connects to everything because somebody made sure it would you know and so it's it's it's little things like that somebody did qa on this hardware running that software right and that's something that no linux distro can do unless they are you know i mean i hate to use system 76 as an example here because technically they do that but like pop os was a dumpster fire when I went to use it, and not for anything to do with hardware-software integration.

44:44I think some of the... I don't know a lot about, like, distro development and stuff like that. Sure. Also known as effectively nothing. But I'm assuming they have, like, beta programs and stuff where... Sure, but there's an infinite... Hardware variants. Literally an infinite number of hardware combinations. And when you're talking about your Strix Halo machine, that's a... That's a super weird hardware config. That's a niche one, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So the chance that you'd land on that is pretty low. And that's not... That's not their fault. Yeah. A lot of them are volunteers. Yeah. Yeah, right.

45:11Yeah, so you can't you can't blame them for that. No no no Whereas now somebody is being paid to make sure that the software runs on this and that it works Cool as well as I'm the drivers work. I'm sure there's upstream benefits So exciting a hundred percent like it's just good for that's one of the reasons why I was so excited about the steam machine is just more Linux attention will hopefully mean that things will get more better and more like big companies behind it like Valve releasing hardware that runs on this stuff should result in more corporate money coming in and helping upstream benefits it's based on Arch blah blah blah blah blah blah.

45:53Somebody brought up Red Hat but yeah Tyler 2003 says Red Hat question mark question mark yes they're paid but they don't have hardware so even even then like it's not there it's not like a one-to-one a lot of i'm sample machines and stuff i'm sure they do yeah but it's not quite the same thing it's also not every distro like we're talking one distro that's not super commonly used by random consumers um all right uh dan that still just says headline topic are are you okay over there are you getting buried under comms no you were like halfway through one and i didn't want you to think that you had to move on to the next one oh i see no no no you're you're good we use that as a what we should do next yeah we yeah we need we need that oh more topics that can't be right we've done like four all right well now's a good time to do our creator warehouse i put them up they don't listen i take them down they do it's i don't know anymore oh wait he's not even gonna listen to the cards now is he no no i'm doing it i'm doing it i'm doing the uh did you want to pull up the story and then i'll talk about you sure okay first up this week is the net nudes collection which is not what it sounds like uh it kind of is i mean yeah networking noodles yeah yeah well well yeah but it's not everything that it sounds like how cute is that design what were you thinking you gotta you gotta zoom in more you gotta zoom in more look look look what's in there keep going keep going keep going keep going keep going keep going you don't think they can see it i think i yeah you can see it okay i can't go any further you can't do that with fiber yeah the fiber optic you can't do that don't worry about it it's that's bad the net the net noodles collection is inspired the fiber by Don't bend it like that.

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48:41This is the first time I've seen genuinely all of them in stock. I know. In maybe ever. I know. I'm not even kidding. This is our first, like, big mass shipment since we launched. Nice. Do you know why they're back in stock? Because we got a big shipment. Because you pushed the big red button on the table. Oh! Wait, really? Oh. That was the restock button. We had lost it. Oh, my God. I don't know. I'm just making up lore. Wait, what? I thought he was being serious. No, I thought you were serious. That is what the button was supposed to be for. It's like, aha, restock. I don't know why. There's no batteries in it.

49:14There's no batteries in it. I didn't set it up. I'm not part of our social team. This shows how easily we can be gaslit by Dan. No, because Dave did tell me something about that. He wanted me to press the button live on the show. Cables are back in stock. And then the cables will be back in stock. But then the fact that I pressed it early doesn't matter because it's not connected to anything. It's wireless.

49:39Check out the Net Nudes collection at lmg.gg slash net nudes with a Z. and head to lmg.gg slash truespec to get some of our truespec cables. In other news, I'm going over to your laptop, Lime Day is still going strong, but not for much longer. Don't miss out on deals like our loaded backpack bundles, our magnetic cable management bundles. We have up to 30 % off select apparel and more. The sale ends Monday at 11 a.m. Pacific time. If you're shopping with us for the first time, by the way, You will also get a$10 coupon towards a future purchase of$50 or more. So head over to ltdstore.com before Lime Day wraps up.

50:18We have a daily deal today. On the US site, we have old stock of the Precision Pro driver and a BitKit. Today only$19.99 each. So that's$40 for the combo of the Precision Pro driver and the BitSet. And on the worldwide site, we have the Precision Pro kit, which is the driver and the BitKit for$39.98. so the same price but it's uh but it's like a combo instead of being individual these aren't clickable uh view more on the right oh view today's deal okay there you go right all right we got there nice these have been uh that's pretty good very popular yeah there's there's some pretty there's some pretty good uh some pretty good lime day deals there's a big way this is funny gotta love lumpy inventory so that's um explaining why it's a combo here and why they're individual here because we have separate warehouses.

51:09So we've had a lot of people ask us over the years, why don't you have a warehouse in this region? And why don't you have one in that region? And it's because we have a lot of SKUs and we're actually, relatively speaking, a small company. And it creates a lot of logistical challenges when you're trying to perfectly balance your stock across all your different distribution centers and then run your promos according to that so that it's not confusing. So I don't have to stand here for like five minutes and explain why we have, you know, three meter, one and a half meter, and one meter cables on this site and like question yes if you had say you had 10 000 backpacks in the u.s and you had two in canada and you wanted to have way more in canada because that's your global hub because you're like why are we out there and we have so many down there um you paid shipping obviously you have to pay shipping again to try to get it up to the other hub so that sucks but that's just built in there's nothing you do about that luckily it's hopefully not that far, but it's still going to suck.

52:04It's pretty far. You paid duties and taxes and tariffs and other fun things to get it into the States. Sure did. Do you now have to pay more? Sure do. To get out to Canada and you don't get your American ones back to you? And if for whatever reason I ever have to send those Canadian ones back to the States, guess what? I get f***ed again. Oh my God. Okay. These are genuine questions. There's a bit more nuance to it than that maybe you get some of it back or something but in general it is cost prohibitive to do stock balancing like that unless it is a very large quantity such that you're taking advantage of economies of scale for importing and it's funny that you used backpacks as an example because we actually had pretty much that exact situation oh really backpack the commuter one so we we vastly overestimated how many we were going to sell in the u.s we stocked up bigly in the lead up to the implementation of tariffs because it was way cheaper to import them directly into the U.S.

53:06rather than bring them into our main hub and then transfer them. And because the U.S. market softened a fair bit, because whatever the headlines say about inflation and consumer sentiment down there, I can tell you from sort of a company that has a lot of discretionary purchases and talks to other people who sell a lot of discretionary items that things are soft. US sales are soft. And part of that - All sales are soft, aren't they? Not as much. Not as much as US sales. Chatting with folks at Computex, like global brands, Europe is still holding pretty strong. The US is apparently pretty rough right now.

53:53Yeah. for consumer electronics brands. I shouldn't say consumer electronics. I should say more like IT, IT electronics, computer accessories brands, computers and computer accessories. Scrappy TP says flaccid. Yeah, I'd say flaccid is a pretty good descriptor. It's still there, you know, and it'll grow, it'll grow again, but at the moment it's a little spongy and tired. It might need... Maybe some excitement, some motivation to achieve engorgement. Yeah, seems pretty good. Any more on the story? I do think that... Free shipping over 125 bucks? Did we mention that? Oh, did we not? I don't know.

54:43Maybe. You probably did. Okay, I did not mention that. Anyway, Lime Day, go check it out. now's as good a time to get a deal as there will be for a while. We had a long chat, me and the Creator Warehouse leadership team, and we have determined that we've been doing too many promos. That's not to say that we won't still offer deals sometimes, but it was getting to the point where there was always a deal on. And I think it's not good for maintaining the value of your brand and maintaining the margins that allow you to continue to grow and scale and operate. So you can expect to see us probably do Lime Day on an ongoing basis.

55:28We'll still do Black Friday. Yeah. That makes sense. Basically, everybody does, you know, there's some seasonal deals. Like, that is a thing. But beyond that, I think what you're going to see is you're going to see us be a little bit more responsible with the size of our buys rather than overbuy and then promo out. Well, and there was a lot of weird stuff. Like the terra frenzy was a very confusing time. And you don't know how much to order. You don't know how much people are going to buy. And sometimes you're trying to get that inventory down and stuff. Like things were a little crazy. I think I can.

55:58Because I did notice we were doing a lot of stuff too. But it's, you know, the world was kind of, it still is a little on fire. You know, maybe people are going to do some stuff sometimes. It's okay. Dude, it's been, I feel like the last few years, like five years, six years, like basically since COVID, I've just kind of, I found myself kind of going, okay, but like, when is just the business as usual? For just a while. Is anyone else feeling that way? Yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, like to be clear, I want to be, I want to make this abundantly clear. Like, I'm doing okay. We're doing okay. We're fighting through it.

56:38Our team's doing okay. Like, we're okay. Yeah. But like, yeah, how about just like six months?

56:48six days as usual you know yeah for sure like yeah you know yeah like i feel yeah you know like the canadian dollars at like a five-year low right now or something like that like it's just it's like it's it's always something you know i was talking to a buddy from venezuela like I don't know on what would that have been 14 months low excuse me sorry on Sunday yeah I think then I heard the news of all the earthquakes and I was just like oh my god he's just telling me like things are going really well for him like blah blah blah blah and then it's just like oh yeah like one of my friends is just missing just like oh my gosh What do we do, man?

57:43Yeah, you know, condolences, but It's, yeah, yeah A few days even would be pretty good Six months would be great I'm not saying no to six months I feel like if I asked for a whole year That's being greedy I'm not asking for a year I love how that's greedy I don't want to be greedy I think six months Six months would be so sick I feel like a lot of good could happen in six months I think I could be fully reset And just Ready to go hard again And to be clear, I'm not even asking for time off I'll come to work I just want it to not be A catastrophe I don't want fires to put out How about we have some time to work on fire prevention Fire prevention strategies Speaking of which Did you see Litton's on fire again?

58:41Really? I don't know This is a week ago news But yeah, Litton Poor Litton

58:52not as not as bad as last time apparently out of control six days ago but three days ago says one home destroyed which really is not as bad as last time uh apparently lightning two days ago was uh was found to be the the reason for it anyway

59:13yeah good luck linton rescinded all evacuation alerts and okay good good to hear hey uh one evacuation order that we cannot rescind is that we need to evacuate expecting the WAN show to stream anywhere other than we created a new channel so we we heard you we did it read it you do not want the clips and the stream on the same channel yeah so we're giving that a shot I'm not promising that it'll stay this way forever because if viewership on the WAN show is not sustainable having this WAN show dedicated channel we might have to go back to putting it on clips but for now guys subscribe yeah ring the bell get over there we want to do what you're asking if youtube algorithmically allows us to make that sustainable so it's just uh at WAN show YT yeah go over subscribe if you want notifications for WAN show and then um and then LMG clips is back basically.

1:00:17That was a typo. Well, it figured it out. Is it staying LMG Clips? I think it's staying LMG Clips. What's really funny. We might have to change that. I think they might enjoy some inside baseball. Some people on the internets, I guess, noticed that the LMG Clips channel was kind of like flipping. It was like, WAN Show, it's our LMG Clips, WAN Show, LMG Clips, and then maybe it flipped some more times. I don't know. We were basically equally as confused. so you know sometimes things just happen and we got to figure it out i think this is just medium sized company stuff 100 i mean 100 that's why i like knowing well-intentioned actions by multiple people all at once are sometimes confusing knowing the people who are working on this everyone's like doing their best and and it's you know they're competent smart people and they had good reasons and they had good reasons and and i think it's just it's one of those things where the longer I run a company, the more I look at the seemingly incomprehensible stuff that corporate entities do.

1:01:22And I just kind of go, yeah, that was probably just like Jeff in accounting didn't talk to Joe and procurement and, uh, and Kate, Kate from, you know, logistics was on vacation and like, you know, Harold got called out early because his kid was sick at school. Like, realistically, there's probably no conspiracy theory. That's probably what happened. Humans get a human. And then sometimes there is. When we're talking about, like, the long-term roadmaps of, like, you know, consume all the water. No, it isn't a human right. Like, obviously, that's, you know, evil top-level decision-making. But in terms of just the day-to-day shenanigans, I'm getting more and more forgiving of it as time goes on.

1:02:07because I just see so much happen here, again, from good people who are doing their best. And this wasn't even a big deal, to be clear. I was just saying it. It's kind of funny. I saw it happen. It was just like, huh? Yeah. There was something that I had wanted to... Oh, yeah. Hopefully that works out. Speaking of YouTube and its algorithmic... I do actually want to insert one more thing about those channels. Wisdom.

1:02:34There was a... Oh. Whoops. I mean, you can talk about the channel. I'll do that real quick and then we'll do comms. No, I have to think first. Okay. We'll get to some comms. We'll come back. There was a thought that maybe LMG Clips, because you don't seem to be able to do it with live streams, but LMG Clips could, like, collab upload? Yes. Or something to try to help share? So we're probably going to try that, maybe? We're definitely gonna try some stuff because we have some feedback on how it goes moving it to a brand new channel And then just like hoping the almighty algorithm blesses us is a bit of a long shot.

1:03:13Yeah Especially when you look at the way that YouTube Prioritizes the limited real estate that they have these days Dan. You want to see some shorts? Can you fire up you want to see some shorts kid? I was having a particularly cranky night

1:03:32honestly not even for any particular reason in fact things were going really good or i shouldn't say night this was sorry day uh things were going really good this was right in the wake of the launch of our steam machine review that was a a top performer out of our last 10 banging it did three plus million views which is which is great our our channel and our business would be sustainable forever with that kind of viewership on every video we could man that would be like like expansion growth all the things let's go uh you know everything's good but what i was struck by was how how big the swing is these days like it used to be that you had kind of a performance band yeah for your videos there was a ceiling and there was a floor youtube wasn't going to promote it any more than this but they also wouldn't promote it any less than this nowadays there's no ceiling you can do mega banger views if you happen to be the hottest thing on the platform at the moment but there's also no floor you could you can be the biggest channel and you can upload something that doesn't resonate and you could like just get no views um not not literally but but the the band is is much wider and i was like i was looking at this video and how this was performing and i was um you know i was partly just frustrated because i was like man it shows that our team still just knows how to crush it.

1:04:52Like we still got our mojo. I just need hardware manufacturers. So for the love of all that is good, give me something that people are excited about, please. Because when we've got it, man, did we ever execute on this? We were the number one and two for shorts in terms of video performance. We were number one and three, I want to say for long form. And then that might've actually changed to one and two across LTT and short circuit. and as I was going through and I was and I was poking around and like hey you know how are our videos performing compared to the broader internet I searched as you can see I searched for steam machine on YouTube and I was greeted by this and to make it look so for you guys I'm looking at a TV over here that actually shows the graphic that you guys are seeing on it but when I look like this it looks like I'm looking away from it it kind of looks like Lawrence is looking at it for For me to look at it, I would have to stare at the wall.

1:05:49Anyways. Yeah, so this is my search result for Steam Machine. One, two, three, four shorts. His entire screen is just short. My entire screen above the fold before I actually click and scroll. Dan, can you scroll me another screen here? We're trying to be friendlier to audio-only listeners. I get a show more button. As soon as I scroll down I get which is more shorts. I get two long-form videos I get my own I get one from Voldemort and then Going below that I get two more shorts. I scroll again. I get two more f***ing shorts And then I get a show more button like to note as well if you go up to the long form There's no show more.

1:06:35There's no show more So the only show more is that you can do if you why it's a screenshot we can't check but the that show more button yeah would just show shorts is that correct yeah it wouldn't show long form is that crazy or what remember when search used to at least give you meaningful headers like um you know more for this result or or it would tell you um uh content creators you might enjoy you know like it would it would give you search results that weren't relevant to your search result but at least it would tell you what the they were whereas now what even is this there's some short with 400 views instead of more actual relevant steam machine content that's actually got any traction here that's a steam machine it is but where's the where's the the hot steam machine content why is that above the verges thing okay i'm okay with that i'm okay with that i don't necessarily mind that they tried it like i think the youtube aligam has always been really good at lifting up where's my long form being that i agree that i why do i have a short that's got like 400 views instead of a long form video that probably has more depth to it like is there any wonder like you know you can take this down get it out of my sight you know is there any wonder you know youtube will make comments to me like oh yeah you know for long form content tv is really where the growth is yeah you f***ing think so maybe because on mobile you're not even presenting me with the option is there a way to forcibly load that no it's a tv app it's not a tv website okay because i would i would be really interested to see like a side-by-side of the experience of using desktop versus using uh a phone versus using tv sure because desktop still does show long form it does also shows a lot of screen now a lot of shows a lot of shorts so here's here's the top of mine this is just whatever account i have for wait did you search for linus tech tips uh i guess That's a search for LTT?

1:08:37What the f*** is this? I don't think it's entered. Oh, okay. I was gonna say you got ad, Wancho, ad. Yeah. Okay, no, those aren't ads. Okay, never mind. Not an ad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it looked like. I had like two car things and then I had, okay, yeah, fine. I noticed this account gets some like, some old bangers. Like I remember this from 11 years ago. They all do. They all get old bangers. It's weird. I get less on my main account. I got a legendary, legendary poll. Let me look this up. uh left ear here it is this this came up oh yeah i had that a few months ago

1:09:19yesterday absolute classic i was like what the heck are you talking about there's no way and then i brought it up and it's it's amazing actually Can we just play that on the rest of the rest of the workshop? Definitely not. I don't think so. But oh my god. I was proud of my algorithm when it pulled me that. I was like, yeah, all right. I'm doing pretty good. Solid. Yeah. So yeah, basically I was in a cranky mood about the amount of shorts content that was on here. Which is very understandable. I still don't run the YouTube app at all. I sent my rep an email I probably shouldn't have sent. I was basically just like, can y 'all at least pretend that you care about long form?

1:10:07No, I said, I said, at least, can YouTube at least pretend that long form matters? Brutal screen grab. Not a single long form above the fold. Come on, guys. Yeah, I mean, I think it's fair. But I don't think, yeah, I don't think I'm out of line here. They're kind of losing the soul of what YouTube is. and like i know we've talked about this for a long time and i i do understand that they're in a tough spot because when you look at like you know we know because we've talked about a wan show before that they stopped publishing their like new user numbers a long time ago because they effectively like saturated the planet which is hilarious high five and crazy good job yeah so now they're not even going for new users they're going for like total attention time and every business especially at that scale is going to have some sort of a metric that they have to fight for.

1:10:52And there seems to be time on platform, which is effectively when you distill it down to a creator basis, it's watch time on videos. Um, attention, they're competing for attention and there's a lot of attention going towards Instagram and Tik TOK and all these other platforms that are running shorts. But again, I feel like, yeah, sure. It's video, but you're kind of rotting the soul of what youtube is because a lot of shorts are junk and they aren't all and a lot of long form is junk but i think the the like percentage of long form that is junk is way lower than the percentage of shorts that are junk like not comparable well part of it is just the way that shorts are presented is it encourages infinite scrolling junk behavior it incurs yeah exactly it's and it's like it's it's a widely accepted thing that shorts are like basically bad for you and youtube was not seen that way ever and and they're really getting dangerously close to brushing with that type of reputation i think so which is not good man i i agree i mean i told you i think i told you this right last time i was at creator summit i would tell any executive who would listen don't lose your soul yeah don't lose the identity of youtube don't be tiktok don't be reels be youtube because you have outlasted everyone you've outlasted vine you outlasted there's a reason why the like dream job of all the kids was youtuber not content creator like there's actually a reason come on

1:12:39damn sorry just hurts hurts hurts my i know everything uh speaking of everything hurting what do you want to do for your 40th comms let's get the comms done first let's do i just threw that in as like a throwaway extra topic and he just grabs it i had to take the segway just grabs that. Just like all the people on LTT Store grabbing some products. Hi, DLL. Luke! Did you catch any of the Day9 aka Paul Mango's recent AOE2 streamer turning? I didn't even know that was happening. I don't really watch streams. Like, ever. Those were words in sequence. Nice. Linus, how How are the recertified drives from server part deals holding up?

1:13:37Good. Server parts deals. Good. I had a couple that top of the bathtub curve kind of conked out pretty early on, but server parts deals was, they were on it. And then everything's been really, really good since then. I don't hit them super hard, the ones at home, but they're spinning. And that's all you can ask Russ to do. I'll add one thing for that previous one. if he ends up uploading any of it as VODs on his YouTube channel I will likely watch it I still check in with Day9's YouTube channel every once in a while I don't know why I typed in VOD here it is it's cause you're a boomer yeah probably Elimination Round vs Atriok my worlds are colliding I guess I'll check that out I used to watch Day9 back in the day yeah dude episode 100 I had my parents watch it so they could understand who I was I'm not even kidding and they liked it.

1:14:31Cringe. Nope. Imagine sharing interests of your parents. Well, my parents are based, but Day9 Daily Episode 100 is like actually really legendary. Insane. If you're like a kid who cares about games and your parents don't necessarily understand, it might work. Cool. And number two, HelloWan64.dll. Wow, look, we got an upgrade. having recently met so many fellow creators if you want to talk about that did anything interesting come up that you've been chewing on oh um man yeah i i have actually met or like not even necessarily met but like got to catch up with a lot of creators lately i had the um there was the mr beast collab which have i even talked about on wan show yet i don't think i talked about shooting the the 50 youtube legends challenge thing i don't remember it no no he says no no you have not oh that's that's crazy so that was incredible i got to i it was even if i hadn't shot a video and even if i hadn't had an opportunity to win a million dollars to share with all of you guys um i think i would have done it anyway it was so cool to get to connect with um some people i knew you know i ended up hanging out with marquez a fair bit uh but also you know meet some people that i never knew people who were foundational to the growth of the platform in the early days like i got to chat with fred like yeah like that fred that's interesting um uh harley from epic mealtime was this is what this is what i find is just so um so cool about youtubers and and i i don't even want i don't even want to like lump myself in with them right now because i'm i'm talking about i'm talking about other people right now but in general i found that these are not people who asked for fame went looking for it uh a lot of the time it really happened accidentally especially the people who got into it early on a lot of people early on in youtube were just playing around they were just having fun they just wanted to make videos for whatever reason and some of them ended up you know making a lot of money and you know enjoying financial or business success or whatever else but but they were but they were just normal people when they got into it they they weren't like they weren't groomed for it from a very young age to like get into show business they didn't think of a meta when uploading videos they were just uploading think of the algorithm or retention charts or anything like that and um and so it was it was cool and harley was such a such a great example of this um because he was just a super real dude was a teacher or something if i remember correctly he just he was trying to go back into the old knowledge he was so down to earth and so funny and so honest.

1:17:39He was like, he was basically just like, I'm probably the most unk washed up, fallen off one here. You're hilarious, man. Look, I'm not creeping anybody's numbers. I'm not gonna deny or I'm not gonna what's the opposite of deny. I'm not gonna whatever the thing. Admit? sure yeah um i'm not gonna say you're right or wrong about that confirmed thank you there we go but like you're hilarious for saying it uh so yeah it was great i got to hang out with like nico from corridor a little bit um man you know oh there were okay okay this is interesting this actually ties in really great uh someone in chat i forgot to copy their username unfortunately but they said it's a bit hypocritical that you upload shorts when you clearly know they're bad for people I don't think every short has to be bad for people.

1:18:38We actually did a really fun short at the event that I don't think is bad for people at all. It's not designed to be bad for anyone. We went around and we talked to a bunch of YouTube legends and we asked for their tech hot takes. And we got some really interesting ones. It's worth going and checking out. is this seriously the least you could do youtube is at least play the shorts that you're gonna like put all up in front of me um yeah dude just the atmosphere at this place was so cool because even the ones that i you know didn't know well like i don't know if casey and i had ever actually met I don't think you have.

1:19:23But we have a lot of shared experiences anyway. Yeah, you've been in the game for so long. You did daily uploads. I have two, bro. You did daily uploads for years. He did daily uploads for, I think, years? I think so, yeah. So there's a lot of the pace and the constant nature of it and stuff. Yeah, so we actually hung out a fair bit. there's so many storylines that got cut even just the ones that i experienced personally that got cut from the main edit and i understand like you can't upload a four-hour video to the mr beast channel or whatever i feel like this video could have been an entire season of content though but like in the third in the third round um when uh when we did the mannequin challenge i feel the video's been up a couple weeks now like spoiler alert in the third round when we did the mannequin challenge um we kind of divided into two teams because you had to find the real people that were not mannequins uh outside of the the cube that we had to stay in and um i got like kind of my my 15 people and we were kind of a team and then the rest they kind of teamed up so it ended up half of people were going to advance so even though jimmy didn't say form two teams we like totally did because you had to monitor in 360 degrees all of these mannequins that were like in frozen poses and you had to try to find the real humans and we figured by working together we could find them a lot faster and then enter the data onto our ipads so casey was on the team with like me and Marquez, a couple of the like beauty creators.

1:21:15And we all like got into our corner and we're like keying everything in. A couple people from the other team just saw that we were ahead and came over and just kind of like mingled and entered them before him. And I felt so bad when he had to walk out. I was so I was so unhappy it wasn't technically divided teams so they did like in an input speed win yep and And in that competition is fair game. It's fair game Yeah, I was like rip rip Casey. I'm so sorry So just like all all kinds of those sorts of things, you know didn't make it into the edit But it was a lot of fun just hanging out with those folks um had some had some really good chats epic gardening is so cool he is just like so smart that was at creator summit that wasn't at the uh the mr beast collab thing yeah i met him at an event too definitely he's on it yeah i uh oh sorry i guess i wasn't really done with the mr beast thing yeah it was it was uh it was a completely different scale of production than anything that I think I've ever been involved in.

1:22:33How dead are we out of 10? Dan, you're good? Okay, cool. It was a production on a completely different scale than anything that I've ever been part of, let alone lead. And I don't think I aspire to it at all. If anything, I think what I took away from is that I would like to do smaller productions. Oh, I see what you mean. I didn't realize you meant aspire to like be style productions. I thought you meant to the, cause you were talking mostly about the other creators that were there. It is an unsurprising takeaway for me that you were much more interested in like meeting the other creators than the production.

1:23:18as much as we fond about the production when we were on the Fallon show. Yeah. Well, that's a different. That was like. No, I know. But it's related. It's sort of. So Fallon had like the glitz and glamour, the Hollywood sparkle on it. Whereas what Jimmy is doing is like, it's big, but in a very YouTuber way. It's totally different. And I don't think I aspire to either of them. If anything, the video that I had the most fun creating in probably the last six months is probably this one. No, this is just the land show right now. Yeah, way to go! Oh, you're so sweet, Linus! I clicked the channel icon and it went to the live stream.

1:24:16It's this current WAN show! It was this one. Oh, it's a roundup ad. Can you believe this is legal again? No, I can't actually. That's a whole thing. Anything is legal with enough lobbying and money.

1:24:35He said from...

1:24:40I was close. I'll sue you. I'll sue you under the ground. I started down the path and then bailed. I turned around and ran. These unskippable ads. I'm dying. Here we go. This was probably the most fun that I've had making a video in like a solid six months. Yeah. It was right up there with like shopping for a PC at Costco with David. Just like hanging out, just doing stuff. I got to just work in a computer shop for a whole day, just like helping customers, building systems. I built a sick water-cooled system. Let me see if I can find it. That turned out great for like... Oh, I never got to see the payoff of this.

1:25:24For like a one-day build while I was... That's sweet. Also working on other systems and troubleshooting stuff and helping customers. I had to do a little bit of customization to make all that hardware fit in there. It was, look how, look how tight this fitting is. Hold on. I should, let's go back. My boss gave me, gave me an A for the quality of my work, which that's a Taiwanese A. Yeah. That's a tough A. Okay. That's not like some, some Namby Pamby North American A. Yeah. Yeah. I think it looks freaking awesome. Hold on. I'm trying to get that. I'm trying to get that spot where you can see how tight that fitting is.

1:26:02These fans are cool, by the way. It's like one frame and it has like three fans in it. It's pretty neat. Oh, okay. Well, whatever. We missed it. The point is you go, go watch the video. But if anything, doing that video made me want to resurrect the idea of like little tech shop of horrors again, where like our entire production actually just becomes based out of like a computer shop. We just get a computer shop and like, there's no reason that we couldn't review a steam machine in the back room of the computer shop. Like we could still do reviews and stuff like that. But I would actually love it if a lot more of our content actually revolved around customer systems, customer problems.

1:26:43Sorry, I'm just thinking on that idea. Just be all real, you know? Yeah. Be like the coolest retirement but not retired plan. You know what I mean? I think the first maybe two months would be really weird because you'd have a bunch of people coming in with like troll systems and weird junk. And then people would get bored. And then it would probably to start feel better and more normal and what you're kind of going for. But I suspect there will be a little bit of growing pains as people try to troll you at the beginning. Troll systems, you say. Like this one?

1:27:28Wait, what? Did you actually put that on a customer PC? No, they put it on it. Did they know you were there? We did tweet that I was going to be there, and they rushed, set up their system like this, and then just brought it in to get some cable management done. Sure. Just so that I would see it, yeah. And you know what? Honestly, I think I'm with ScrappyDP on this one. I don't know that the trolling would be a problem. I think it'd be okay. Sure. Because there would be real systems as well. And we can always decide what does or doesn't end up in the video. Right? Like, that's where we get to make editorial decisions.

1:28:03Yeah, it kind of works that you're making money in a different way off of it. Because I worry somewhat that this is, you know, making a tech review website in current year again. Where we're going into a field that is very progressed along the path of death. Oh, mom and pop tech shops? Yeah. Yeah. They're like all gone. I mean okay here here this actually kind of ties into what also Beltricks said Motherfucker is 40 and talking about retirement. That's why I said retired not retirement like it's it's like how PewDiePie is retired He's not retired. He's supposed to guys got friggin the video sponsors on his like he uploads all the time What are we even talking about?

1:28:48He's like cares about certain metrics and stuff are gone. Sure, but that boy is still working and he's still releasing bangers. He's working. He's working. He's got sponsorships. There's no retirement when you're still taking like dedicated video sponsors. What are you talking about? Your goals and things might change. But you can retire from what you used to do. I mean, it's the same way that, you know, like, okay, Trevor Linden is a local hockey player who played for the Canucks. He retired. Yeah, from hockey. And now he runs like fitness gyms. He's still doing stuff, obviously. So that's what I mean.

1:29:23I mean, like retiring from the like, what we do is like review hardware. And just, I feel like running a tech shop would be the answer to so many questions. You know, why did you build that system? Well, because a customer needs it. I feel like it might end up almost like clerks though. Why did you? You spent a lot of time. Would I die at the end? No. Spoiler alert. No, you kind of spend a lot of time sitting around talking about whatever. because I don't think there's going to be that much work. It's why they're all closing. I think that with our... Maybe there's room for like a high-end shop?

1:30:04With our brand and with our reach, I think we could be like a boutique builder because we could build systems to ship as well. So I see no reason why once we've got a tech shop, we couldn't also just be an SI. tell me why not let's let's stack on more industries that are struggling right now let's let's see how many we can throw into one bucket hey what what's what's warren buffett say when others are scared be greedy when others are greedy be prudent careful or something so go into go into every industry that's actively dying right now hold on

1:30:43PC repair and gaming bar. Gaming bars in Canada, or at least BC, are trouble. A lot of them have been forced to shut down. Here it is. The famous Warren Buffett quote. Freak the f*** out and panic sell everything right now. It's f***ing over. No, that's... Yeah, definitely. No, that wasn't him. Yeah, no, for sure. No, it was. Yeah. That's what he said. You can't lie on the internet. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. How's SpaceX talk doing? Or misattribute quotes and make Linus eat an entire cake on the WAN show. Okay, so here's what he said. Be fearful when others are greedy and be greedy when others are fearful.

1:31:21I think we could survive. Whoa! Oh, yeah. How is that going? I've been wondering. Almost a little bit below where it started. Okay. So some people capitalized on the IPO, and then some people are holding the bag for the time being. Fun time. And then more stocks are going to release from all the people that haven't been able to sell them yet. And then that's going to keep happening over the course of the next few months. And we'll see what goes down. Listen. We'll see what happens. In a sane and logical world, you are so right. Yeah, who knows? That's why I'm saying, I'm not saying it's going to go down.

1:31:57In an everything's a casino world? Who knows? Maybe it'll go. This ain't financial advice, L's and G's. Let's just put it that way. I mean, would you take financial advice from someone who's talking about starting a mom and pop tech shop in 2026? And an SI in a component shortage? Yeah. And a new SI in a component shortage? Yeah. Who doesn't have necessarily pre-existing deals or anything? Look, do you think, okay, tell me this. Do you think that LTT SI would do things like source secondhand components to build affordable computers? I bet it would That'd be kind of cool Weird DDR4 machines are us We'll put that right up on the sign And it'll be really awkward when we're on DDR8 But the sign would still be there Because you're a mom and pop tech shop Yeah I think we could just change the number Put it on top Just cross it out Master Chief from Halo 2 On there or something Yeah Hathos says, how would you warranty secondhand stuff?

1:33:06The same way that anybody warranties secondhand stuff. You just have a limited time period for it, and you eat it when it dies. And then you just build that into your margin. I mean, it's the same way that... I was going through the launch collateral for the... It looks like we've got the branding for our socks. Am I wearing them today? Oh, man. Okay, win, bro. I need socks so bad, but I've been holding on. Well, I'm not going to be able to help you with that. If you need socks so bad, I got none of those. I got socks so good. Okay, when are the socks so good coming? Really soon. Okay. We unfortunately were not ready in time for Lime Day.

1:33:47We wanted to be... Bridget actually messaged me right before the show and made my entire day. Just wanted to let you know they passed testing and inspection and are approved to ship. Have a great vacation, she says. That's awesome. I sent her a grand total of six hearts. Made my day, Bridget. Thank you. That's great. So excited to see them. I think this is extremely not unique of me, but I swear I just have a constant attrition rate of socks. I don't know where the heck they go. I will never understand. And again, I don't think this is unique. I hear jokes about this from everybody all the time, but it's...

1:34:24There's a monster that eats them. Very confusing to me. Dude, my lost sock pile in my house is like this volume. Almost none of them are mine It's all my children and Ivanchi Ivanchi is one of the worst I do the laundry in my house So like And I'm on it Like I'm on the lost sock box Like I will go like once a month I will go through it and I will make Mates out of things I don't know how they do it How do you lose your socks? They're attached to your F***ing feet I can never Explain it and it's weird to me because I'll go on like a trip and I'll lose no socks on the trip which is when you would more expect to lose socks and then I'll come home and a few months will go by and I'll be staying at home I don't take my socks off when I'm not at home where are the socks going they hate you I have no idea they hate you and I bought like a bunch a while ago yeah none of them have like ripped open or anything none of them have been thrown away because of damage yeah probably like half of them are gone since I did that like huge haul.

1:35:31Yeah. What the heck? So it looks like our branding for our socks is going to be the forever sock asterisk, not forever. But we are going to be putting our limited lifetime warranty on them because we have achieved what I thought was impossible and made a very durable, breathable, cushioned, antimicrobial sock that I'm really, really proud of the quality of. And apparently it's approved for shipping, so the timeline is imminent. What sizes? I don't remember. Do you have like one size? No. Okay. Linus, you caught me wearing a test pair the other week, didn't you? I think I did. How do you like them?

1:36:22Damn. It's a good sock. Yeah? Cool. I was talking to Tatiana, about it and i'm like i'm holding them and looking at them i'm like why am i always surprised you think i would have learned by now and then we had a really nice chat she gushed about it for like six hours that's awesome socks i love when people care that much about stuff it reminded me what i was fighting for here you know day in and day out it's like it's so infectious that just i'm excited i'm excited caring about stuff is cool i actually said just about exactly that to tatiana the other day um okay what what did i say to her and flow plane should be excited about the feet cam when we launch oh no i told her uh this was this wasn't what what no we're not doing that um no are they we are i don't know the different names are they are they like tall or so they're full crew okay so that's why i don't know the names yeah what does that mean full crew means like kind of up the calf.

1:37:26Okay. We'll look at a half crew and maybe an ankle later depending on how these do, but just, again... Programmer? Are you going to do a programmer sock? Everybody's been asking for a programmer sock. So in terms of the colorways, which is I think what you're referring to... No, thigh highs. No, programmer socks are thigh highs. Thigh highs. Oh. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Probably not. It'd be like$100 with all that material. Don't worry about it. Damn! Okay. Anyway, anyway, Anyway, you would sell so many. I'm not kidding. Okay, I'm not. You hate money, don't you? Look at chat.

1:38:03Look at chat. See? Okay. This is like, you should do tall shirts, and then you're always sold out. It would surpass screwdriver. I do not know about that. That's hyperbole. I think I was talking to Tatiana. and it may have been someone else because I can't find it. But basically I said something along the lines of like, it means so much to me that I can take my hands off the wheel and know that somebody cares as much as I do about something being awesome. Yeah. And she's a great example of someone like that internally here who just, like, just gives a shit. Yeah. And the funny thing about it, Dan, is like you kind of, You look at the thing and you go, why am I surprised every time?

1:38:52Every time. And it's because the philosophy in our products is not complicated. It's the reason we're able to do this. The reason our TrueSpec cables are so good. The reason the socks are so good. The reason the products are so good is not. And I remember this all comes back to like a conversation I had with the Noctuous CEO like 10 years ago or something. I went, you guys have the best products. You must have the best engineers. And he goes, no. And I'm like, that's not a very nice thing to say. And he's like, well, it's not a nice or a not nice thing to say. It's an honest thing to say. We have good engineers.

1:39:27The difference is that we give a shit. He didn't say it like that. He's a very proper person. But the difference is that we care. And the difference is that we take the time to do it right. And it's the exact same thing here. I am not knocking anybody on the CW team. They're great. I love working with them. But the reason the products are good is not necessarily because they are the best designers and the best engineering folks in the world. They're great and I love them. But it's because we just take our time and we just care a lot. And so, you know, for the socks, like the reason they're good is just because we were willing to spend another, the copper infusion is really great.

1:40:06Oh, that was cool to hear about. I would never recommend to someone, wear your socks, wear the same socks for two or three days. You won't hear me recommend that. You still won't to me. However I wear my LTT socks for like Two sometimes three Even four days Not on a workout day I was going to say the amount this man's feet sweat I'm saying a lot He's soaked through his shoes before What? That was in Taiwan That's valid And those shoes I found out Because I was leaving squishy marks under the souls actually have like a mesh in the soul. It's not, sorry? Soul? The souls. Two shoes. That's in Korea.

1:40:59Soul is in Korea, Dan. Anyway.

1:41:07Jeez, I didn't even... I still got you. I still got you. You got yourself. That was, you're both laughing. Okay. Jeebus.

1:41:26Anyway, so the antimicrobial treatment is, was developed by a Canadian company. And it's like a copper ion infusion thing. And I was looking through the data sheets because I'm actually the writer for the video for this. and it was like over 99 % effective at like killing E. coli bacteria or something like that. Don't quote me on any of this because I'm going to look at it in more detail and have supporting visuals and stuff from the actual test report when we do the real video. But it was like shockingly effective. And that's the kind of thing that costs a little bit extra. But we didn't have to develop that.

1:42:05Like that's the thing is if you're willing to just pay to make a not crappy product, this stuff already exists a lot of the time it's just nobody else wants to pay for it and make something that doesn't suck which is so frustrating for me but also creates an opportunity for me because now now we have a whole company that's your spot that does more than half of our revenue that just the entire the entire approach is just have good people give them give them time and space and be willing to pay a little more we got this we got and i'm not saying we always do it perfectly just to be very clear because i'm sure that if someone from cw was watching this they might be going well i sure wish i had more time on that or i sure wish i had this piece of equipment there but the requisition didn't go through we still we still operate in the real world where things are limitations where resources are finite but but you try in general we try we make a good faith effort and I think the results speak for themselves.

1:43:08What are you guys talking about in Flowplane chat? Probably programmer socks. No, they're talking about spermacidal socks. Maybe the same thing. Maybe I'm not gonna do the feet cam? Maybe that's a bad idea? Yeah, you think, Dan? Yuck. Okay, what are we supposed to be doing? Why does it say sponsors three and four? We didn't do one and two. We only have three, so I have to We have three. Oh, okay. I scrolled past them. I don't even know where they are. What even is this show talking about? Spermicidal socks. The show is brought to you today by AMD. Yesterday, we dropped our latest AMD Ultimate Tech Upgrade.

1:43:45This time with the head of our business team, Steve Chan, Asian man. He called himself that. That's not my, that's his words, not mine. If you haven't. What's that? That isn't why I gasped. If you haven't checked it out yet, spoilers. he is a very generous husband as part of his amd ultimate tech upgrade he got a blender nice um some cleaning supplies okay um and and some gaming stuff for them to share nice um okay we were mostly we were mostly memeing on it because uh we i thought going into the shoot that more of the stuff was for her and then it turned out just a lot of it was for him anyway um amd is paying some of the generosity forward to folks like you by giving away an rog xbox ally x you can enter with the link in this video description or the link on the upgrade video for a chance to win amd also asks us considering the steam machine and pc hardware pricing popularity of handheld mobile gaming as well as rumors about the ps6 pricing being out as early as next year what do we think the future of gaming hardware is going to look like i mean this is oh man am i really supposed to start controversies in the middle of a sponsor spot they asked for it i guess they're paying for you i guess they did um i'm gonna stand behind what i said about the portal i think that streaming is a huge part of the future of gaming whether that's streaming from online services um like from xbox or whether that's streaming from your own services which is maybe related to that cool idea that aj had for maybe you know doing like some kind of cool self-hosted like streaming setup it's such a sick idea it's the implementation it's an idea we've had before but it's it's the way that aj conceived of to maybe architect it that is pretty cool and an alternate use for some hardware that yeah kind of would and so having so i you know i i think that as things get as things get less affordable like i'm looking at you know what my house would look like if I was trying to make it more efficient.

1:46:08And remember, I had that idea of having the computers in a central location and then using either display cables or network cables or whatever else to not even have thin clients, but just stream the content throughout the house. Man, I think with fast enough, low latency enough, high quality enough networking, something like that's very feasible. Like in a family of five, how often are all five of you playing? Could you just have three computers and then you just access a session at your various locations where you happen to be using them? You might even be able to have it so that like you could all five play at the same time.

1:46:47But maybe the performance of the systems effectively scales down. So, you know, if you're all five of you playing the same thing. Pools of resources. Yeah. I mean, we, man, when did we talk? We talked about this a long time ago, back when like Steam and Home Streaming. You've been doing Seven Gamers. That goes very far back. And I think I pitched a concept where like, you know, the home computer was effectively a virtualized like server closet. Ancient WAN garage shows. You could put as much hardware in it or as little hardware in it as you wanted and then split those resources according to how they were needed.

1:47:25I'd love to see better support for virtualization on mainstream GPUs. I think that's something that's really holding back that sort of Linus-conceived future. And then also anti-cheat. Virtualization for gaming just kind of died like five years ago, something like that, because you just started not being able to play the latest games because they would detect the running on a VM. And that was no worky. One way or another, I know that AMD is going to be involved in the future of gaming, whether it's on the CPU side or GPU side or console side. They've kind of got their little fingies and everything.

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1:50:05Uh, no, we should do some more topics We have like 8 topics left, Dan So we can... Uh, I mean, I... Oh, wow No, there's... Dude, there's still... How many topics have we even done? We've done like no topics No, no, no, no, no We'll do this. We'll do this. Somebody built a website that will let you drive a Steam controller around using its haptic motors. This is amazing. Do we have a Steam controller handy? Yeah. To the Bluetooth. I wasn't given a puck. Theoretically, it should be a tab on your browser. Oh. No, I closed all the tabs. Yeah, I closed it too. The second link is this site or something.

1:50:49Okay. I'm going to put it here. which could only go well um okay so this uh this video is from very lazy pixels which the reason i wanted to show the video was actually i just wanted to be like hey that's so cool thank you for your order from lttstore.com i see you sticker bombed your steam machine that's one of our stickers they copy exactly the sticker bomb that valve had because isn't that exactly how Valve did it? Is it? Did Valve use our stickers? Yeah. Really? Yeah, am I tripping? I don't know, did they? I thought they had exactly that layout on the Valve one. Oh, apparently they did. Aw, that's cool.

1:51:31How are you just learning of this? I don't know. Chat says... It's so funny. Yeah, here. Yeah, so they did exactly the same. Wait, what? How do they have that? Oh, I'm sorry. There's chocolate all over your seatbelt. Oh, that makes sense. Oh, there's more here. Don't worry about it. Well, I mean, you're worrying about it. Now it's on the floor.

1:52:01The chocolate's a lie. What are we doing? I don't even know. Does it matter? Anyway, we're going to go to the website. How do they perfectly copy that? That's wild. I don't know. Dan, do you want to remove the lower banner? I was - that's why I was standing over there, so we have loop cam. Oh! Oh, brilliant!

1:52:24Dude, you could race Steam controllers. You could totally.

1:52:31It struggles sometimes, I think, with the like textured vinyl that we have on the - on the table. I'm gonna bring it to you. You can deliver the controller? Yeah.

1:52:47It's actually shockingly accurate. I mean, you parked it right next to my laptop.

1:52:59Now it seems like it's really trying to give it to your laptop. Wow, it really is. They can't see that at all. That's fine. That should be censored. There, send it. Oh, they can't see it. That's probably for the best. that's probably for the best that's fun that's that's pretty cool um so i'm sorry what was there what was there uh yeah very lazy pixels a developer has made a browser app that uses the new steam controller's rumble motors to scoot it around like a little rc car no installs just a chromium browser with web hid this illustrates how hackable the controller really is and how people are already finding weird fun uses for it beyond gaming the website says it was heavily inspired by Steam Haptic Singer by Pila, Crazy Critic...

1:53:44Oh, you are moving my document. Sorry. Crazy Critic 89 and Double A Gaming. I've never touched one of the Steam controllers before. The Steam Controller 2 or what... I'm upset. All right. Moving on. Sammy says, we just released a short where Elijah, Steven, and Sven raced with it and we collabed with him on the post. So I'm going to... Okay, well, I'm going to check this out. collabed with VeryLazyPixels. Oh! So here's our three Steam controllers.

1:54:19Did Dbrand sponsor this? Classic. Oh, Elijah's in the lead. Oh, he's being held back by Sven! He's being pushed, I think. Oh! And it's Elijah at first! That's hilarious. That's pretty good. Love it. It's pretty good. Anyway, pretty cool. People are already doing very creative stuff with it. This is a great little post, but basically they made it walk to the dock and charge itself. It's pretty cute. Someone's going to make a system that does that automatically. Someone's going to make a system where there's a webcam or something and it can figure out the position of it on their table and it'll walk itself back in.

1:55:04Someone's going to do that. That would be sick. I know what my weekend is going to be nice for the next eight years will i learn how to do that someone can figure it out i'm sure i'm sure there's a library that's already been updated with like steam machine identification do you want to talk about um spy turtles and spy fish yeah yes yes i really i really do um china's ministry of state security um accuses spy turtles and spy fish of stealing sensitive marine data. That's a big deal. They put out a WeChat post warning that foreign intelligence agencies are using these sea animals to snoop in its waters.

1:55:47The claim is that large marine animals have been fitted with sensors and sent to swim in specific areas. That's got to be a heck of a thing to control. Collecting data like water temperature, salinity, and ocean currents in real time, then beaming it overseas via satellite. China says the goal is mapping the seabed to find weak points in its coastal defenses, and it's asking fishers to report any strange buoys or devices. Apparently not fish or turtles, though. China didn't name a specific country or actually show any of these cyborg sea creatures, but the wider idea isn't totally far-fetched.

1:56:24Russia famously deployed a beluga whale in a camera harness spotted off Norway in 2019. And British intelligence said in 2023 that Russia was training dolphins for combat. The CIA also genuinely tried to turn a cat into a listening device back in the Cold War with Acoustic Kitty, which went about as well as you might have expected at that point in time. Ever tried to get a cat to do anything. And if you've played, I don't remember what game, it was some Red Alert game, I think. there was there was military dolphins oh yeah um i don't remember exactly how they attacked things but yeah sweet nice i mean it's a lot more interesting than automated drone swarms of a million drones just automatically defeating anything they go against how how much how how much of an admission of your own top secret programs are these types of accusations yeah you know like no one else no one else is even thinking about spy turtles china okay someone probably is but like really like i know there were those um there were those uh robot fish spy things that we saw recently um man where where was that there you go like there are fish shaped fish alike drones But it didn't sound like that was what they were talking like you think they were ones fitted with stuff Were they trying to oversimplify it, maybe?

1:58:03Maybe. Like, maybe just trying to, rather than explain what a turtle drone is to any random WeChat reader, were they just trying to say, it'll look like a turtle, so for all intents and purposes, it's a turtle. It has dangerous sensors in it. Report it. That seems more likely to me. That seems like the simplest explanation is they just didn't want to explain themselves. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait. We got to go back to this. You got to go back to that thing. They didn't drive it to the point. It did that automatically. They already did the thing I was talking about.

1:58:37Get rekt. I made my Steam Controller automatically charge itself. Now I don't have any other projects. If you scroll down, tracking points are a bit finicky. It tries to remember. Success not guaranteed. Surprisingly easier to try yourself. The RPMs are tuned for Steam Controller 2026. So da da da. You could get, you know how you have the stickers on the thumb pads? You could do that with fiducial markers. It's just it's just up on it's just up on the githubs. That's amazing Wow How fun is the internet? Yeah, and they did it the way this is just completely what I expected. That's amazing It's just I expected this was gonna take forever, and they just well they're already done That's cool.

1:59:15Hey want to hear something else that's cool. I need Okay Nope nope Steam controller driving itself around Is as cool as anything needs to be We no longer need anything cool from now until forever No sorry I got really excited I want to read more about it before I really talk about them Or what they're doing And I will do that before next show But somebody's no actually Well now you're over committed Do we just look into it Now you're committed Now we're committed you've committed us somebody made vinegar oh really? finally they reached out literally right before the show no way oh my god I hope you're doing well I'm not entirely sure this is your actual email I guess it worked I'm Zach, founder of Convoke I wanted to reach out because we actually built something based on the idea you mentioned on an episode of WAN Show it's a tool called Vinegar it's on getvinegar.com I haven't looked into it I got this email right before the show.

2:00:18We are not recommending to try it because we don't know what it is. It's a browser out on. We don't necessarily know if it's going to steal all your stuff or not. Yeah. But for those not familiar, vinegar was Luke's concept for like the anti-honey browser extension. Yeah. So instead of, you know, taking a bunch of your data and harvesting your affiliate cookies and all that kind of stuff and funneling money into whoever has the best affiliate program, which for a long time was Amazon. Vinegar would be a browser extension that allows you to use the convenience of shopping on the most popular platforms that have big affiliate programs, but redirect you to where you can buy that item on some other website that doesn't pay for penis rockets for Jeff Bezos.

2:01:10So this isn't 100 % of what the vision for vinegar was, but I'm assuming they're just starting and they've already got some pretty cool stuff going on. So Blocklist, this random, I guess KitKat is a product that is owned by Nestle. You put Nestle on your avoid list, so just letting you know, that type of stuff. So it's like information that is now put in front of you that is generally obfuscated by almost every company in the consumer space being owned by a bunch of other companies that filter down to like seven companies or whatever it is. I'm going down into their features section. They have the brand ownership so you can see who ultimately actually does own it.

2:01:51Conglomerate flags. This was interesting. Spot when a product traces back to a company worth over$50 billion. And you can figure out who it is. Avoid lists. You can set up lists. source everything, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The one thing that I noticed, independent alternatives coming soon. Okay, there's the thing. Get suggestions for independent products in the same category that are similar to smaller companies. Okay, so that's not suggesting smaller stores, but I think that's going to be a very tough thing to do. So I wish them luck. I also noticed that they have a free forever tier, but they also have a premium tier, which I was actually kind of happy to see because the first thing I tried to figure out when I went on this site, is how are they monetizing it right because if just everything was free then i'd be even more suspicious i do think it's worth being suspicious um i don't know if it's like on github or anything so we can figure out if it's spooky or not i i yeah this is this is definitely some verify then trust level stuff just because it's a random outreach email but yeah totally but i mean the logo is really cool apparently it's a chrome extension for now but i i think i like i just got the email i'm assuming these guys like just launched this um i am very interested in this and if i can get some information that it's not just going to steal all the data that i ever have that's in my browser um i'm definitely interested in running it sounds awesome cool sounds very cool yeah i i just honestly i saw that email and just like my brain blanked for a second because i was just like really that's so cool and you know it needs some more features and stuff but um how we use data control f how we how we use data i don't think we're gonna be able to yeah this will take a lot more time on the show but it's just it's it's it's very interesting i've got something else i hope they do well by it this is a fun one a study published by pew research shows that americans are using ai way more than before about half now use chatbots which is up from roughly a third just a couple of years ago with usage spanning work search and everyday tasks about a quarter of u.s adults use a chatbot daily and americans report using chat gpt far more than other chatbots but seemingly running completely counter to this even with that uptake attitudes are pretty skeptical only about 16 of those surveyed think that ai will have a positive impact on society while a large chunk thinks it'll be negative or just aren't convinced either way so the usage is hitting all-time highs well something i'm wondering sentiment has hit an all-time low something with ai tools though is that you can't avoid them at this point yeah um so like how much of the increase of usage is actually people wanting to go out and use it which i think there are a lot of legitimate uses for i i kind of think that a lot of people should actually use them for a variety of different smaller like assistant type things like hey review this for me or whatever um as we've talked about too many times on wancho but But you mentioned search.

2:05:14You included search. Usage spanning work, search, and everyday tasks. So is this included? Like how many people just went like, oh, yeah, I use it for search, thinking, oh, well, I mean, when I Google things, there's an AI result. I actually. Because that is technically using a chatbot. At this point in time, Googling something is using a chatbot. I doubt that. And the main reason I'm saying so is this is not based on concrete fact, but the main reason I'm saying so is watching the decay of what we think of as classic search. Some of our folks from Creator Warehouse earlier this week attended kind of a direct-to-consumer brand webinar thing.

2:05:59and pretty much all i wasn't able to attend it unfortunately but from what i heard from the team pretty much all anybody was talking about was how classic seo is basically dead and completely irrelevant now and it is all about fine-tuning how to get included in chatbot search which in this case means how to get a chatbot to to index information about your product and surface it as a recommendation for for a customer um it's pretty much hard pivoted over a span of time that until now is a completely unprecedented like just crazy um and so knowing that i don't think people are thinking of that kind of search as as as ai chat okay i feel like you're you're probably right i don't know that for sure though i don't know how the question was staged we didn't i mean it's pure research so maybe it didn't suck but as i've you know i recognize their name which might be a good or bad thing i don't know at this point it's hard to tell the study also found that most people feel that ai is moving too fast with about two-thirds saying its development is outpacing society's ability to handle it um how do these survey results compare to your own experience with ai usage do you find yourself using it more frequently than even a year ago and do you find your sentiment towards it to be lower i would say i'm using it a little bit more frequently i've been using it using it more frequently especially frequently over the last couple of weeks as i've been working my way through setting up fedora on that workstation and getting odysseus working which i have it like kind of working now.

2:07:52I can chat with my Quen model. I can get the email client working, but I can't get it to do an AI summary of an email right now for some reason, and I can't get it to do any kind of agentic tasks yet. So I'm still just kind of... I've only had a couple hours to poke at it over the last week, so I'm still kind of chipping away at it. But I'm using a chatbot for a lot of that. I've been using Gemini pretty extensively just because I have a Gemini Pro membership that's included with my work email. So it's a lot better than like chat GPT was basically freaking useless because I ran out of being able to upload images after like two images or something like that.

2:08:34And I was like, yeah, I need to be able to upload images. So I guess I'm using Gemini. Yeah.

2:08:43I feel like my usage is probably pretty similar to about a year ago. i suspect once i get my local stuff up i will use it more but that makes sense to me yeah i like strongly suspect that um and more internal pressure for me of wanting to get my local stuff set up has been wanting to use it more but not wanting to use the public tools to be honest um so i don't think my actual usage has increased and man it's hard to tell if my sentiment has changed i don't think so i'm giving myself a completely free pass on using the the big tech ai as much as i want if it's to set up my own personal one yeah it seems fine so that's that's where i'm at on that i i don't use it much outside of that though as for my sentiment i think i my sentiment's actually up but with the giant asterisk of only because i'm really excited about local agents that's the that's the thing that i'm like this is the bright point in this sea of diarrhea the only reason why i'm just not sure is i think i was already really excited about local agents a year ago i just don't know i sometimes have a hard time recalling um i was excited about the idea of it but it seemed out of reach for me to easily set up with my limited free time which was why it was hard for me to really gain any momentum around that excitement Yeah.

2:10:08I just knew it was coming. I was like, that sounds cool. And also sketch. Avon Fox in Full Plain Chat says, a friend works in finance. The CEO is pushing AI for everything. The answers are often wrong. So they have to hide the fact that they did it not using AI to hit AI use target demands. I don't super think that the Pew Research thing would have caught up too much stuff like that. But I do know that is a thing at a variety of different industries. Very funny to me. Mm-hmm. But, yeah. I already mentioned this a little bit earlier, but yesterday Apple raised pricing on many of their products.

2:10:45Marques posted a handy-dandy little tweet with some of the differences. Some of them are pretty small. Some of them are pretty not small. Like the Mac Studio, which has been a major player in the desktop AI space, as well as the price increase on the MacBook Pro. It's a$300 adder. Even the MacBook Neo got another hundred bucks, which puts it right on par with the Dell XPS. Oh, shoot. What is the size of it? The new XPS that uses Wildcat Lake. So even Apple is not immune to the pricing pressure that DRAM and NAND shortages have been putting on the entire PC industry. um hey but you might not have to upgrade your system because windows 10 support was just quietly extended until october 2027 no fanfare this change was first spotted by windows latest in an updated support document and microsoft confirms them as a real change not a typo anyone who was already enrolled in the extended security updates program gets the extra year automatically with no action needed enrollment is still free ish you either have to sync your pc settings through a microsoft account redeem a thousand microsoft rewards points or you can pay a one-time 30 fee but that one license will cover up to 10 devices so it's three dollars per device if you happen to have 10 devices to be clear on what the extended security updates program is it's security patches only so you won't be getting any new features no bug fixes beyond security and no technical support also domain joined and mdm managed work machines do not qualify for this consumer program the reason this is happening is the quiet part that microsoft i guess is saying out loud now users are refusing to move to windows 11 largely because their otherwise perfectly good pcs don't meet the tpm and cpu requirements and people don't want to buy new hardware for an os that they see as a downgrade microsoft's own wording frames the extension as giving customers more time to transition but the takeaway seems to be that this upgrade is going to happen on users timelines not microsoft's and they're just going to have to be kind of stuck continuing to provide support for windows 10 for a little while longer in other news microsoft is testing a hidden search setting that finally gives users more control over bing results on Windows 11.

2:13:17Okay. I can do it. That's, I mean, no, I got it. It's just interesting. Overdue. Yeah, and I don't think it'll win people back, but Microsoft is finally building a native toggle in Windows 11 that lets you turn off Bing-powered web results in search. Oh! Cool, right? That sounds very different than the title, but yeah, that sounds awesome. So you can keep searches local instead of getting web stuff mixed in. That's, this is honestly huge. It's just not what it sounded like the title was saying at all. Uh, the same update also includes another switch to hide Microsoft store app suggestions from search.

2:13:52This is it. This is a bit, this should have been like a title topic. We're so back. That's incredible. What the heck? According to a G hacks article, these controls previously only available in the European economic area, of course, uh, are now being extended to all markets. They continue. users in the European economic area have been subject to these, subject, subject to these controls for some time. It sounds so negative. Uh, as part of Microsoft's compliance with the EU digital markets act. Linus has a comment here that says, while we're at it, can we eliminate any settings box that has the options?

2:14:30Yes. And later? Yeah, no. Yeah. That should be like literally a legally binding thing. That should be law. Yeah. That every pop-up, like, I don't know how many times or never the unify app okay the freaking unify like like that i need to use to sign into my stupid to enter my building the number of times that it popped up going hey how much do you like do you want to rate our app now yes or later no i don't no i don't want to i'm not interested don't bother me i'm trying to i'm trying to enter the building right now such an inconvenient time like just no no no it needs a no and you know what maybe i should rate it because it does seem like a perfectly cromulent app but also that's that's up to me not you i've had that with like expedia i needed to get up some travel details really quickly like it was time imperative and it's like very slow animating the screen's lagging i know something's gonna happen oh slide up from the bottom.

2:15:32Do you want to rate the app? I'm like get out of my face. It's just like, the Expedia app is like brutal at best. So adding more junk on top of it is rough. Anyways. Yvonne was shopping for some shelving yesterday and she had to dismiss, I kid you not, three pop-ups asking if she wanted to join the newsletter, offering to let her spin a wheel for a discount, something else. It's like, I am trying to fucking buy something from you. Get out of my way. Yeah.

2:16:08Discussion questions. If you could redesign Windows Search, what changes would you prioritize? These ones, mostly.

2:16:16That's why I was so excited about the topic. Let me get Microsoft Store App suggestions out of there. Let me get web search stuff out of there. I wanted to search my system for programs and files. That's all I want it to do. I don't want it to ever do anything else. They could, if they wanted, in my opinion, have a little... You think Microsoft understands consent? Yeah, that's pretty good. What was I going to say? Oh, right. We were supposed to read it. It was a chart on screen that said, do you think Microsoft understands consent? The yes bar had almost nothing. And then there was a remind me in three days bar that had 99.2 % of the votes.

2:16:59It was posed as like a poll on Facebook or something. I was going to say, yeah, I would be okay with it if they had like a toggle button. Like if, you know, the search bubble bar on the far right, there was maybe like a globe icon and you could click it. And if you did that, it would do web results. And there was a little store icon. You could click that. If you did that, it would do store results. But if you just unchecked them, it would never do it again. I would be fine with that. I would just uncheck them and never, ever, ever, ever use them. But, you know, some people might like searching from their thing.

2:17:34And if they want to, they should be able to, I guess. While we're coming up with ideas, how about don't pin anything that I didn't pin? That'd be so sick. I sure as f*** didn't pin LinkedIn here. Yeah, I don't think anyone ever did. Where's my new installed programs? Bring that back. Yeah. What did I just install? Yeah, where is it? Please. You know what would be even kind of nice is like you haven't used this in a while That seems unlikely but Yeah File Explorer File Explorer Falls under OneNote Edge Word, Excel, PowerPoint, sure fine Outlook, the store Settings fine Razor Synapse Which I did not pin Like come on man Are you even trying to surface things that I want to interact with even clock being there is like pretty weird I don't think I've ever gotten to clock through the start menu Maybe someone does I would probably click on the clock.

2:18:37Oh my god. You missed it. I clicked it I clicked clock and this is what I got. Oh my god. Do this in the f***ing background Holy crap. Are you kidding me right now? Oh no! No! Oh my god!

2:18:57Wait, there was no option other than get started was there? Is there just like a - What are we doing? Didn't you click on clock? Clock Okay, there we go. We got there. Hooray Hold on. What happens if I open it again? Is it gonna take me through the wizard again? unbelievable it takes me through the wizard to set up focus sessions again wow i just want to know what time it is and meanwhile it's like how many clicks is it now to change your times on us it's actually a little bit better now okay never mind i'm not gonna i'm not gonna harp on them for that are you are you bringing out your mint to show i just want to see okay luke wants to see okay well let us see too hold on I'm going to the loot cam loot cam are you gonna I mean I type in clock and nothing even shows up in the start menu because why would you find here let me clean up my desktop and then I'll do it wow you slob you have five whole things there yeah I didn't mind the fact that they were there I didn't want people to see what they were whoops what other side you can't hold up your laptop here oh i see i see here we go he got there i thought you i thought something was showing that you didn't want to show no no so i typed in clock let me do it again sure nothing came up don't miss the l because why would you oh yeah i won't web search it's okay yeah so like why why even would some well 7 000 files returned but if i click on the thing in the bottom it's just like he just really likes roosters dan he's a bird guy time and everything and date and time settings and everything's just like that all just makes sense yeah yeah and all those 7 000 results make sense too i don't judge what i would judge is chrome testing an ask gemini button that follows your text highlights around the web as someone who reads like this yeah yeah that would drive me absolutely bat crazy um this was spotted in chrome canary by leopiva64 and offers four options ask gemini copy share and a three dot menu clicking ask gemini would drop your selected text straight into the gemini side panel as a prompt so you can ask follow-up questions without copy-pasting into another tab.

2:21:35The three-dot menu has a hide for this site toggle, but its settings link just dumps you on Chrome's generic content settings page rather than anything Gemini-specific. Google hasn't announced it yet, and there's no guarantee that this will ship, but it's the latest in a steady stream of Gemini entry points that are being baked into Chrome after the at Gemini address bar shortcut and a right-click ask Gemini option. Linus's note, if this is anything like the way that auto compose emails gets in my way constantly, then it sounds like a huge L. It sounds like it. Dude, it is so freaking annoying.

2:22:10I know that I can just click the reply all button at the bottom and that will work to open up a new email reply. But remember when you used to be able to just click the empty text box and start typing and not worry about if you click not quite exactly the right spot and it starts auto composing a stupid email. I don't know about you guys, but my emails need to be composed by me. I have to make decisions. I have to, I, I, I,

2:22:42like I'm trying to wonder who it is at Google, whose job and the decisions they make and the correspondences they have are so unimportant that a feature like that seems like it could ever possibly work for them. My dog just like died, but I got it. I got it working again. I thought you said dog. Oh, no. And then you were like so immediately over it. And I had to kind of figure out how that happened. Because I didn't think your family had a dog right now. So I was trying to catch up. What dog are we talking about? I said he was a bird person. Where did he hear that it died? Who is taking care of this dog?

2:23:29You have birds. Why are you over it so fast? I was... Yeah? Okay. Yeah, yeah, I know. Doc, doc, doc. The doc that we used for the show. So your doctor died. No, no, no. You'd think if they were a doctor, they would stay very healthy. Is this like the mechanic with the broken down car? Luke likes apples. The chain-smoking doctor with, like, high cholesterol. Sorry. Okay. Anywho. No, yeah, it said it errored, which I've never even seen before. I clicked the reload button and it had like one topic from a very long time ago. I was like, this is bad to just nuke the whole thing. Reload it again. And it's fine.

2:24:10Anyways, it's a really cool story. Speaking of, I got to find a cool story. Hold on. There's going to be one. You don't like the A24 one? Is that a cool story? It's an interesting story. Dan just like Welped from behind the TV He'll be fine I don't know what he said Google invests 75 million dollars In A24 to develop AI powered Filmmaking tools Google's deep mind Is investing that money into that thing It's first ever equity stake In a film studio Cool Do you understand the noise now? Yes, no I already knew The deal is a multi-year research partnership to build AI filmmaking tools, starting with an AI storyboard generator rather than a text-to-video generator.

2:25:07Importantly, it does not give Google access to A24's film library or any data for training. A24 Labs head Scott Belsky says the tools will preserve creative control and won't look like the prompt-based AI people are uncomfortable with. Oh, the phrasing of that is funny. It's kind of awkward since A24's biggest recent hit is Backrooms, whose director Cain Parsons has called generative AI a source of creative rot and said he'd erase it forever if he could. About 85 % of Backrooms' opening weekend audience was under 35, and a Pew study last week found that roughly half of adults under 30 think AI will harm society.

2:25:53predictably fans are calling for boycotts 824 is far from alone here though with lionsgate netflix disney and probably more all making their own ai movies moves oh yeah that's fine but probably that too yeah we'll call them both so i thought this was interesting because if there's anyone that i would kind of look at and go huh maybe you won't screw this up it would be a24 interesting i thought you're going a different direction than that i thought you're going to say if it was anyone that you were surprised by i that's what i i was very surprised it's specifically a24 i'm not surprised that anybody is i think that anyone who is not looking at it as a tool and figuring out how they're going to use it to stay competitive is going to be left behind yeah i do think that's fair so a24 is clearly a group that is not interested in being left behind but also clearly a group that cares deeply about artistic artistic intent and so what ai usage from a24 would look like is fascinating it's an interesting me i hope they don't screw it up but it it will be it will be interesting um i want a bolder prediction than interesting oh yeah i need a luke or not i need a luke luke prediction yeah oh boy luke prediction time no it doesn't know we need a market for luke predictions you might call it a prediction market tend to be based around they do tend to be based people will use it not if they will or not or if it will be successful um i think their approach is interesting because the the storyboard thing feels like a brainstorming part of the process where a creative mind that's in there could look at it and be like no and then redo that part or the whole thing or whatever themselves if they really wanted um i think earlier on in the process is better.

2:28:04Later on in the process is worse. And it feels like they're only really talking earlier on in the process. Um, I do agree with Kane Parsons where, you know, if you could erase it forever, then I think we'd go ahead. But the reality is that you can't. Um, so like Linus said, I think, I think use it to accelerate yourself and compete or don't, but you know i i a 24 says um we'd rather have a seat at the table than be on the sidelines while defending their decision yeah and i think that's quite fair i just i i i'm not as familiar with a 24 i know i know i think i discovered what a 24 even was through dan um so i i know there's some people that like really deeply appreciate a 24 stuff yeah i'm a huge a24 fan they seem ever since i discovered them they seem to be pretty in tune with like their people um let's just make a movie that's fun and here's a bunch of money so hopefully they don't they don't step off it one of the reasons why i think it's so interesting that they're the ones doing this is is actually the fact that they did do the backrooms thing they're kind of more well known for much more budget conscious stuff i mean they've done some they've done some reasonably high budget stuff and risk i think it's their risk is let's just make this movie that might not appeal or let's just bankroll this movie because i think they're they're like more like a publisher producer type company than anything else so it's like i don't know back rooms that's a dumb meme from 1600 years ago from proto internet uh yeah sure here's here's 10 million bucks go and make a fun film yeah i don't even know what the budget was for that it's probably not a lot i i'll say i think they'll be successful with it because i think the that honestly that statement of the like we'd rather be at the table than out of the conversation or whatever it was um that makes me think they might be doing it for the right reason and that gives me more confidence that they'll be successful i mean it's a whole thing i think I told you about someone that we know having a conversation with someone I think it was at Nvidia but I'm not going to specify who at Nvidia or the person that we know and they were laughing together about all the companies that are firing people because they're able to do the things that those people used to do with AI this was this this was a very very well-informed person laughing with somebody who works at nvidia about that reality and they weren't doing it because like oh no that's like impossible to be true which i think in some cases is somewhat valid i think it's pretty obvious that a lot of these things are just disguised layoffs but um the reason the core reason why they were laughing is because that's going to make you lose yeah the people who are going to win are the people who are going to retain their talent and accelerate them and get the so they don't have to do the crap that they don't want to do largely because of like mental state improvements for their people because if they're drudging through junk that they don't want to do versus if they get to automate a little bit of that and then do the more creative fun work that they do want to do you're going to get higher quality output and probably more of it and it's just like the the proper use of this stuff can be very very very helpful um it's just you you also hear the person in flow plane chat who mentioned earlier of that like finance ceo that's like everything must be done by ai um and then there's people like faking that their things were done by ai um i even read something online like ways to make your work look like it was output by ai and it was it was it was actually like a very serious they were being quite genuine like different words you can use it's like everyone knows the end dash thing but it was like different words you can use and sentence structures to try to make it seem like it was ai output which is just like what the hell like those companies are going to burn the companies i i think at least the companies that just try to replace on mass like their entire staff because they're automating stuff or they think they are i think those companies are going to burn and i think the company or not do as well and then i think the companies that are going to start winning are the ones that are accelerating people you see nvidia hiring yep what do you think's going on yeah like i don't know whatever and then meanwhile farewell bungie yeah are they just done done is it over?

2:32:57it doesn't seem to be over but it seems pretty rough

2:33:07yeah I got a message hold on I got a message from oh boy as long as it's not a dead dog I think I'm okay with it no I don't know if they want to be named here or not so I won't but they messaged me after I think it was last show yeah and they said fun fact I was watching WAN, just so you know. Oh, we were talking about the profitability and the difficulty with Microsoft Studios. Apparently, Halo Infinite costs$850 million. Well, there's no way they ever got that back. No. Also. Why? What? Like, oh my God. Yeah, I think out of the five Ws or whatever, appropriate responses to that number would be What?

2:33:51Why? How? Technically one of the W's. Where could probably work. Yeah, where works? Where's the money even going? Yeah. To be clear, I enjoyed the game. What? On what? On my PC. No, no, no, no.

2:34:13He's so quick. Who's on first? I enjoyed the game. I just... I don't understand where 850 million dollars went. I didn't enjoy it 850 million dollars worth, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah, that was a bit of an eye-opener.

2:34:37Seven of lesbians says hookers and blow. I mean it's as valid a guess as anything else Luke. I don't see you coming up with anything. No, just literally every word in the sentence. Do you get a bulk discount at that point? If you buy millions of if you buy hundreds of millions of dollars of hookers and blow yeah I probably do like one of those stamp cards at least on the blow I Maybe not the hookers. I don't know. I feel like I don't know if the American government does this at a certain at a certain point at a certain point would a prostitute level would it be a better arrangement for the prostitute to just marry you and vice versa you know at a certain volume of business like would that just be more tax efficient save on the taxes yeah so maybe there is a discount on both potentially that could be achieved cayman islands prostitute account if the prostitutes are irish do you have to pay business tax.

2:35:41Oh, God. We gotta get out of here. What's the topic? I'm sorry. Speaking of video games, Grand Theft Auto 6's launch price has been confirmed. This week, Rockstar announced that GTA 6 will be launching at$79.99 with an ultimate edition for$99.99. While the $80 price tag has been tested by some others. Nintendo has moved to this as a standard pricing for multiple first-party Switch 2 titles. I've seen quite a few AAAs going$80. Honestly, I expected even higher. I thought they were genuinely going to push$90 or$100. And I mean, if we're being real, a lot of people are going to buy that Ultimate Edition.

2:36:29Oh yeah. I wonder what's in it. I think the initial wave, I think that apparently Take-Two's stock like dropped on this news of the pricing announcement, but I think and like because people were expecting a$90 price tag, but I actually think this is a$90 price tag. I think enough people are going to buy the Ultimate Edition that they'll be able to blend it to something kind of approaching an average of$90 because you know they're all they literally have already said shown that they are working on additional content for this Ultimate Edition and you know they're going to want to make that as enticing as possible and you know that big fans of GTA who are going to be coming into it with pre-orders they're going to want whatever's in the Ultimate Edition.

2:37:14It doesn't even matter what it is at a certain point. Have they announced what's in it?

2:37:22That's what I was trying to find. I haven't seen anything. I haven't seen anything yet either, but I haven't actually looked that carefully for it. Here, hold on. Tech radar. No disk in physical editions. There's a big controversy over the game data being on the disk. This is an interesting one for me to follow because it's been a long time since I've put a disk into a game slot and the game just actually works without applying a bunch of updates. The game license is on the disk. Yeah, I know. So just like a Switch game. I think that's the difference. I know, but the game license was already tied to the disk, Dan.

2:38:01with all these on DRM and stuff. The Ultimate Edition is just going to sell everything. Did that happen? I missed that. I mean, I'm just trying to figure out what the difference is. So what's in the Ultimate Edition? GTA 6 Ultimate Edition includes a 67 Vapid Dominator Buggy and Paradise Garage, a 95 Grotty Cheetah, vehicles and Vapid Ganado Retro build at Jason's Safehouse, vehicle mod shops, classic car collection shih tzu squalo hawk and little morgan revolver personalized weapon variants ptt young jinn dollar sign compound and scores i don't understand half the things i'm saying or more good time gear stock 305 clothing store sarah's unisuck salon and electric fang tattoo all right there's enough things in that list they will sell many an upgrade ain't no way people are not going to be buying that ultimate edition uh anyway as to the yeah as to the disc being basically a license for the game i mean like i uh i had someone who was over at my place the other day oh yeah it was uh it was hacksmith and plasma channel and i was i was showing them my my ncix collector's items shelf and i was like yeah and i've even got like an ncix brand cd wallet and uh one of them i forget who was like what's a cd wallet i was like you're like my age remember cd wallets i opened it they're like oh yeah i like to store your cds and it's like games have games have been even games in my cd wallet were effectively just a license for the game that ultimately you just downloaded on steam and then you entered your product code anyway like as long as there's drm that prevents you from playing the game without the files i'm sorry but i'm am i missing something here yeah i meant that the hit me dan the instead of it being a download code that's tied to your account sure the disc itself is the license code and so i can give you gta 6 and then you can play it at home well then that's even though you have to download the whole thing and i think that's maybe what some of the controversy is is that this kills the resale market and big stores like game stop and best buy can't sell used games and i can't finish gta 6 and just give it to you um even if wait even if the game is blank so there is no disc in the gta 6 it's just a box with a piece of paper with a steam code on it or an xbox code or i see okay okay okay okay okay i must have misread this then because i thought the controversy was that the disc was the license but no what you're describing is actually oh okay everyone's confused So I went, what's the difference?

2:40:47Because that's what we've had for a long time. No, there's no disc. So there is no disc. So it's like buying the orange box. Yeah, or, you know, buying something off of... You're just buying a box. No, no, I meant the orange box specifically. I don't think their logo is not what the orange box was. Which launched 19 years ago. I'm more of an apples guy, but... Valve's the orange box, according to the AI overview. I can't tell if he's serious or not. Oh, my God.

2:41:19you could buy copies of valves the orange box which had half-life 2 episode 1 episode 2 team fortress 2 and portal in one package and i am pretty sure that there were versions of it that just had a key in it and it was like a big controversy back then i think the biggest difference is that this is now catching up to console folks so has has take two talked about the potential for being able to transfer licenses is that why we're really upset about it because there's no ability to transfer licenses no idea i seriously doubt there is a way to transfer licenses if you can't just hand someone the disc nokie says hold on hold on rockstar games responds to gta 6 physical disc backlash claims a physical version of the game with a disc will come after launch by december so basically this is just capitalizing on the on the pre-launch pre-order frenzy um and there will be a physical version at some point oh so this is just a whole nothing well they just didn't message it's not a nothing because they could have just as easily had a disc version at launch, but they decided not to because strategically, if I'm them, I'm sitting there going, well, now, hold on a second.

2:42:46If we could have a version that's tied to accounts and have that be the one that comes out for the first, you know, several months, have that be the only one available for several months, then we are effectively going to nuke the first wave of, I played through the single player campaign now i'm going to sell this game um delaying that that wave of secondhand discs for for months after the game launch and so anyone who wants to participate in that initial launch hype cycle are you playing gtsx i'm playing gtsx are you at this part yeah i'm at this part anyone who wants to participate in that is going to have a non-transferable copy of the game and anyone who wants to wait for after that is not going to be getting a deal from those folks so I don't think this is like it's it this is clearly not a like you know Rockstar and take two are victims of all this they've clearly made a strategic decision here it's just not as bad as it initially sounded

2:43:52okay meta has just launched a cheaper alternative to the Ray-Ban meta glasses creatively named meta glasses meta's new cheaper meta glasses start at$2.99 and are still made with Esler Lixotica because of course they are because there's no other brands. But they drop the Ray-Ban branding and built-in display while keeping a camera great. Open-ear speakers, Meta AI, and hands-free photo and video features. Critics continue to raise concerns about people being recorded without their knowledge, which will and is happening. And recent reporting has highlighted Meta's exploitation of facial recognition features that could identify people through the glasses.

2:44:32and a bunch of people doing explicit acts in their bedroom. Meta says the glasses include... What, you added that? Wait, what? Yeah, I did. That's a thing. It's like started recording by accident while people are doing stuff, and they have a bunch of footage of it. It's like actually a thing. Oh. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Why is anybody wearing...

2:44:56Don't get me wrong. I have a pair of metaglasses and I have used them on occasion quite successfully I might say oh yeah Hold on Okay, like some some of this Some of this footage wait. No not that Where what the hell? How is YouTube search so useless?

2:45:24Okay, some of the some of the footage from this video What no the norway? Okay, some of the footage from this video would have been not easily captured if it wasn't my meta glasses because I Did not have a way to like carry a camera around with me And I did not want to subject one of my camera operators to this could have mounted a GoPro environment uh yeah no it was i was already whacking my head on stuff the gopro wouldn't have stayed it's it's so much easier to just have it looking exactly where it's definitely quite convenient yep uh so so take this as the most sort of i actually do use this product and even appreciate it sometimes take kind of surprised oakley and gopro haven't teamed up but meta glasses I would think would be like a 100 % effective prophylactic like how are people banging while they're wearing meta glasses I don't think my wife would even look twice at me if I was wearing these

2:46:34well she might look at me twice but it would like come on

2:46:44you look like a different person nerd like they go perfectly with my dorky braces come on i don't know man they work for people okay i also think the risk of possibly being recorded would work for people but anyways uh meta cto andrew bosworth thinks the backlash of smart glasses is similar to the early reaction to smartphone cameras no it's similar to the early reaction to google glass but anyways arguing that people gradually became comfortable with the new technology through social adaptation which is true we do accept a lot of things now that we didn't but that doesn't mean that they're good things and that it's progress discussion question is society becoming the proverbial boiled frog when it comes to privacy Yes.

2:47:36Would you feel comfortable having a candid conversation with a stranger wearing AI glasses even if they told you they weren't recording? That's never come up yet for me. Candid? No. Yeah, no, I don't think so. Why would I? I mean, they could just as easily have a recorder in their pocket, though. I mean, is it more candid of them to have their recording device on their face? Well. Someone could record anything. Yeah, that has a camera on it. I mean the pinhole cameras have existed at the spy store on Broadway Street for 20 years like junk these are good I'm not sure it makes that much of a difference if all you if all someone needs is it's easier to claim AI stuff If it doesn't look that good.

2:48:20It's just like the same thing with UFO photos. All the UFO photos are super bad. I wonder why hmm although Because they were in a hurry to quickly get the picture yeah, obviously looks they're moving so fast government leaks have been really fun lately

2:48:42even Apple has been really interesting lately we talked about this right pretty sure we did we saw Marquez's tweet what do we got we got more Cloudflare is teaming up with Chrome, Edge and Firefox so like everyone then on pact a way for websites to tell humans from bots without captures logins or extra tracking cloudflare is working with google microsoft mozilla and shopify genuinely surprised safari to build private access control tokens or pact to spot bots without any of that stuff and they're planning to submit it for standardization pact works by having trusted sites hand your browser an anonymous token that other websites will accept as proof that either the visitor is a real human or an agent acting on behalf of a real human the focus because the focus can't just be are you a human it's more should this traffic be allowed because is it at the behest of a human which is going to be a bigger and bigger deal moving forward because cloudflare's own data recently showed that bots surpassed human traffic and now account for 57.8 percent of all web traffic this is really important pact is apparently designed so that sites can't leverage it to track or identify users or their browsing history shopify's ilia grigoric mentions how pact can help merchants block abusive bots without driving real shoppers to abandon their carts over annoying captchas or excessive tracking um our discussion question is considering that ltd store runs on shopify have we ever had a bot problem yes uh and do the benefits of a move like this seem to outweigh the cons this actually seems kind of smart it's like a um it's like a crowdsourcing verification that instead of having every site live in its own little silo of like needing to identify the source of the traffic you kind of have everyone kind of go oh yeah no that's a real guy we know because they like actually made a real purchase once and we like shipped it and it was real i'm trying to think of bad things is it a way for like the u.s government to enact um shutting somebody down can they could they target individuals how can this be used nefariously i don't know there's probably something bad about it that i I can't think of right now.

2:51:22I'm sure there's something nefarious, but it's anonymous. It seems like an interesting idea. That seems like it would help. Yeah. CatOS says, it's what Apple did, but it's federated instead of private and open source. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that I saw. Is it open source? I didn't see that. But the fact that Mozilla's involved gives me some hope that it doesn't suck. Like the other players, I don't necessarily have a ton of trust in, but Firefox, I mostly think they've been pretty chill for the most part. So let's, yeah, let's see how this goes. Speaking of let's see how things go. Yeah.

2:52:0240th? Oh, that. So yeah, Yvonne brought this up with me. She's like, what do you want to do for your 40th? I'm like, nothing. And she's like, well, the people around you want to celebrate it. And I was like, okay. The way Emma explained it to me was that, because I kind of somewhat feel similarly, is it's not about that at all and i think i would give you the same speech that you give to other people about weddings is it's an excuse that other people can make to get out of things to go hang out with you that's basically it right it's not even necessarily for you oh no i know that's my wedding speech basically is that it isn't about you yeah and so when everybody makes it about themselves you know the father of the bride mother of the groom blah blah blah blah blah it's because it is about them um but like if you think about the i don't remember i don't think it was it wasn't this year is the year before the one that we did for mine like those people that group of people it's hard to wrangle all this is true people together yeah but she said organizing that was super easy right because everybody was like okay it's for like a milestone i will injure my ankle for this milestone.

2:53:21He's never going to drop it. I will drop it when my ankle stops hurting. Is it still hurting? It never fully recovered, no. I sprained my ankle quite badly. Remember that D-brand tour that I did where I had the cane? That was not a bit. That was not a Willy Wonka thing. That was like, my ankle was very injured. Yeah. Actually, you know what? Hold on.

2:53:46it's pretty good now i can barely detect it honestly the tennis elbow bothers me more than this brain dangles it's not anyone else's marriage it's not his point it's a long conversation don't worry about it it's not bad um but it's yeah it's it's an excuse that other people can use to actually come all hang out together right um and obviously you should have a good time too but But like, sometimes it can be tough because there's like conflicting obligations or whatever. But it's often an auto win to get out of conflicting obligations if it's like, ah, it's... Well, this is 40th. I guess I gotta go.

2:54:23Even though they might really want to. Man, I don't know. I don't know what I would do.

2:54:3240th. As far as I can tell, most of the things that you like doing are the things that you do all the time. i mean you know it's funny um badminton tournament uh plasma channel i i only met him once i forget his real name i'm so sorry uh was it was it jay i think it's jay um he um we were we were ripping around in go-karts and on like a gravel like field uh just because like you could just drift like so easily and we were like we were like on our way back he was like man you gotta you gotta you you got to live a little because like we'd been knowing like, like verbally ironically, because he kind of, it's funny because like, I think I created a very false impression of myself in my life because they kind of dropped in almost unannounced.

2:55:20They happened to be in town and I was like, sure. Yeah. Come on over tonight. I got nothing going on, which doesn't happen very often for me. And then they, they caught me at a time when I had like really good food in the house. My, my, my aunt had just made Ukrainian style borscht. And so I, you know, was able to like offer them some, you know, food from my heritage, which, you know, was cool. So we enjoyed that. And then we, man, we hung out doing something while the go-karts charged. And then we like went out go-karting and then we played, we played Ultimate Chicken Horse. and then um and yeah basically like i think i feel like his impression of me was that i have a social life and like i i like hang out doing cool stuff and i was like i feel like i feel like i've given you a false understanding of of my life uh because i was i was joking with ivan i was like when's the last time like the boys have come over and we've like oh we played croquet while we waited for the go-karts to oh i said bocce yeah okay croquet um uh and like with the family like my kids joined us they all happened to be available which doesn't happen very often so like all these stars aligned for me to just seem like the coolest guy with the coolest life and he happened to be just like hanging around with me for the evening and um but but it's funny that you also say that like the things that i would like to do are the things that i do anyway because that is stuff that I would do anyway.

2:56:49Last night, we had family game night because the kids are finally out of school, which is nice. And we played golf with friends. And it was like chaotic and frustrating and annoying. And I realized that we had the game setting such that if you run out of time, you get the maximum number of strokes plus two penalties. So I was like in the game until I like ran out of time because I didn't think it was that big of a deal. And I got a 14 stroke hole. And I was like, okay well I'm out now um and so yeah like what would I do any different I don't know it doesn't have to be different I feel like it'd be kind of crazy for it not to involve the jet like going somewhere would be kind of cool

2:57:38like before I get rid of it it's not going to be much longer yeah sure and it'll never happen again No, I'm thinking. But where would I even go? I don't even travel for fun. You don't even like traveling. That's why I was like. I know. That's what I'm talking about. How much does it help you with an idea when you don't even like that? That's what I meant. You do. You like badminton. You built a badminton center. Like you made the things that you like be near you. You don't need to fly. I mean, you can if you want. It's funny. Like I like I travel. I go places. because usually because other people want to do it.

2:58:16And while I'm there, it's just like, what would I like to do tonight? It's like, well, what I'd really like to do if I ever had any time to do it is watch a movie in my own theater. I have the best theater. Maybe it should just be a planned day where you do those various things. So maybe you have like a little badminton tourney, you do a little barbecue. I would be socialized out by noon. I have a very limited social battery even for people that I really like Oh, I wasn't even talking like inviting people. Oh, I see. Yeah, so my 40th birthday celebration Which is about other people and not me is an excuse for me To have them not blow off whatever it is they needed to do but actually go to that's fine It's fine.

2:59:04I think that's fine. Oh There can also be components to it. Like if you did a badminton tourney thing like midday-ish, there's other people at that. Doesn't like that. No, it's not that I don't like it. You don't have to run the tourney. I know. What the heck would I do? I don't know. We could just... We could...

2:59:30We could do movie night. Yeah We've missed a lot of movie nights I know Remind me Sammy says float plane exclusive Linus does what he wants for his birthday You assume Sammy that shooting a video

2:59:49It's what I always end up doing When I have nothing to do anyway Oh man

3:00:00Sexyputin69 says have you ever tried crack? I mean, hey, I've always told Yvonne that when I reach, like, my body is decaying. Oh, I've said the same thing. Late into senior citizen years. Load it up, brother. I heard heroin is really great.

3:00:23That's really funny. Very little life left to ruin. We both do, like, nothing. Yeah. And both have the plan to just, like, once I'm on the door. I had my 40 year doctor's appointment yesterday because I'm, I'm not going to be around for my actual like 40th birthday or something. And so Yvonne was like, well, I booked it a little bit early. Just, just go do it. Cause I'm taking in the kids for their stuff anyway. And so I was like sitting down with my doctor and she's like, oh yeah. So your blood results are your, your blood pressure is excellent. And I, you know, I'm going through the thing. Like you smoke, no alcohol, no recreational drugs.

3:00:59No. and we're just kind of like talking through the rest of the thing and then i was like i was yik yakking about something because um i was i was shooting an amd ultimate tech upgrade actually for um oh man which one were we doing that day oh yeah it was for for robert from creator warehouse and one of the big upgrades was a 700 espresso machine and um so i was so i was joking with her about that and how, you know, I can't imagine like needing one of those in my own house because like if I eat a chocolate bar too late at night, there's dark chocolate, there's enough caffeine in it that I might have trouble sleeping.

3:01:36And she goes, but you don't consume caffeine either. I'm like, no, I'm really boring. She's like, no, no, boring is good. I'm your doctor. Boring is extra good. I'm like, no, but I'm really boring. What do I want to do for my birthday? Nothing. I'm gonna drink water chilled chilled water chilled water is pretty good feeling feeling adventurous I do think that's a pretty normal I'm a bit older now birthday for a guy that was like I would like to drink water no I would like a break yeah seriously though I think that's pretty normal oh man I don't think I'm gonna come up with this Dan chat LaCroix has too much flavor yeah so my my my go-to like i crave soda i love iced tea that that's that's a weakness of mine i haven't had one in over a year uh but i love it um and my my methadone is uh bubbly or bubbly or whatever it is so we get the the bulk pack at costco and whenever i go to the fridge because we keep our fridge stocked with all manner of soda pops and alcoholic beverages and stuff just because guests come over, right?

3:02:50And you want to be a good host. So I like crave a drink and I go to the fridge and I'm like, I really want that one. Take this one instead. And it does two of the three things that my iced tea does. It's cold, it's carbonated. Well, iced tea is not carbonated, but like a fizzy soda pop or whatever. So it's cold, it's carbonated and it tastes like shit, but at least it does two things right. And that's like good enough for me to get fluid in me and not be thirsty anymore and not drink the thing I actually want.

3:03:22That doesn't answer your question. I don't know. What would I do? Ride your bike. I can ride my bike whenever I want. To somewhere cool where people leave you alone when you do it. My bike's not that comfortable to go on a long trip. It's more of like a street bike. It's like... Take your bike to the track. Yeah, that sounds like a lot of hassle. I don't think it is. It's definitely a lot of hassle. Okay. Yeah. I don't think it's that much hassle. I mean, I have to drive to the track. I'm a homebody. Okay, so he's not leaving the house. That sounds great. This is what I'm saying then. Just have like a...

3:04:05Have a day where you give your phone to Yvonne. And... That's... There's no way I want that. Why? I like my phone.

3:04:16this was this was self-serving i wanted this to happen what if you do something like gardening uh gardening that's no what if what if i did what if i did something like call up dr kevorkian gardening i mean you could

3:04:38playing some flowers yeah in no way uh i did to be clear to be clear i'm willing to do that kind of stuff um like we did we did hanging baskets for yvonne for mother's day which was fun because i didn't have to do any of the flower stuff because the irrigation system was clogged so i diagnosed that basically i did water cooling while everyone else did gardening and it was perfect

3:05:07yeah that makes sense water cooling plants intermittently water cooling plants pretty much jeez I don't know do you have any hobbies besides work gas racing says go get a massage crystal pipes in with he doesn't like people touching him which is so true you said do you have any other hobbies besides work and it's like badminton which he basically said he doesn't want to do well it's not that I don't want to do it's just It's not special. I do badminton all the time. No, I know, but it's not about it being special. It's about it being a good day. Craft a good day. It doesn't have to be special.

3:05:43Craft a good day. I couldn't do that even if I, like, I could do that. I don't do that. I have no practice doing that. How does somebody do that? If you could craft a good day for your 40th first day, why isn't every day? I thought I just did for you. Go play badminton. Sleep in a little bit. Go play badminton in the early, mid-afternoon area. Come home. I don't know. Hang out by the pool. Have a little barbecue thing. And then go watch a movie. And then go to bed. Have an iced tea. Have some good meals. Have two iced teas. Have as many iced teas as you want day. That's crazy. And have some meals planned out.

3:06:23That's crazy. Or have Yvonne planned some meals out that you think you'll like. So you have good food. You have good activities. You don't over-exhaust on social energy. And you sleep. Okay. Okay. It's a good day. Okay. And when... It's not an insane day. And when I'm done with everybody in my house, I can tell them to get the f*** out? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, they can go somewhere else. Yeah. You can even give, like... You can even, like, get Yvonne to police that or something. Yeah, okay. All right. Or even just pre-schedule if you do have people over. And you said you wanted to watch a movie in the theater room.

3:07:00So just pre-schedule. When the movie's done, everyone's leaving. Okay, I'll think about it. Give them a little handout card so that they sign. Your shoes are by the back door. Yeah, okay. So that the exit is like as fast as possible. I'll think about it. I hope you enjoyed the movie. Get out. Stay the path says it's your house. You can always do that. It's not that simple. It's not that simple. There's social pressures. Hey, children, I love you, but dad needs you to go somewhere else. Yeah, it doesn't really work like that. At least I try not to work like that because it's not polite. All right, I'll think about it.

3:07:42Or maybe I won't think about it at all, and I will just let the day pass, and maybe that will be the way that I want to. Maybe ignoring it is what I really want to do. I don't know. You don't even plan your own schedule. I think I know what's going on. all right yeah have vans planet for you yeah oh it's fine uh anyways open source nvidia nvk vulcan driver now supports dlss the community built open source nvk vulcan okay i i thought i had actually kicked this uh this topic it's pretty cool but the features like buggy and it's for the the drivers that are like the not proprietary yeah driver that like doesn't really work very good so it's like progress which is cool i've used some of it but it's um It's we're a ways off from this being something that you're gonna run so the headline I think is good enough for now It's a lot of like like this This whole topic is it's pre-compiled binaries and nvk underscore experimental It's not well enjoyed by an audio podcast so we can we can leave it a dose said Luke is an example He doesn't kick anyone out of his house this is fun though here's a channel you might want to check out it's called bud and pal really this is your logo you like the logo bro a lot of work went into that logo you know what that is a bona fide guaranteed no ai logo i mean that's fair that's what that is um so sammy and luke started a channel you guys might want to check it out it's not self-promotion if i'm the one who does it so have you watched any of it nope yeah I didn't think so I don't watch videos you know that have you read the comments nope I just assume now I'm actually offended it's you and Sammy I just assume it's good yeah it was fun what's wrong with that a lot of the I don't know how much I can talk about it because like you said self-promotion whatever but yeah you can talk about it all you want a lot of the goal with this was to classic the only thing that would make this better would be comic sans yeah I'm disappointed yeah i'm actually pretty disappointed that it's not comic sense all right i'll read the comments for you you don't have to read the comments i'm even gonna leave a comment hi oh from wench um a big part of the goal is to just get out of uh the normal like make something different yeah and this was very different to anything i've ever made there was a lot of back and forth debate on what it was even supposed to be while we were making it but it was fun i i described it uh as a like wrinkling brain exercise um that's a very deep cut luke used to have or not luke ed used to have a folder on our on our work nas called wrinkling brains that was just a disorganized dump of random stuff that wasn't organized at all and drove me absolutely crazy every time i saw it i'd be like why the fuck is the wrinkling brains folder still here there needs a place for everything everything in its place we can't have data disorganization will destroy our company don't do that and then it would always still be there so wrinkling brains that isn't actually what i was mentioning though oh it's like uh keeping your brain wrinkled like not smooth yeah all right it's it's trying to get me to do things that i'm not used to there's that whole thing where a lot of um loss of neuroplasticity comes from just doing the same thing all the time so this was like i do travel in fairly chaotic ways but not like this and i never really make content like this and like i think sammy and i's approach to making content is very different yes so having us try to do something together sammy's and anyone's approach to making content is very different yeah um but it was it was yeah it was fun and honestly the fact that we came out of it with something that was watchable was crazy um but people seem to be liking it comments seem pretty good sam is a wizard like that then did you just seriously you couldn't have been a little more constructive he just did this from the official account you're making us all look bad dan i signed it i know but oh gosh anyway go check it out bud and pal the most canadian the most canadian name but hey uh for uh for youtube channel i love the description too the description is two friends taking gaming to the limit because we thought that was going to be the channel for a little while.

3:12:34Yeah. And it's just travel? That at all. This is what I mean. This is great. We don't know what's going on. Oh my god. We're just trying to mess around. I'm trying to learn things and explore and stuff. It's been really interesting watching the stats on it. Because like I tweeted it out and Sammy tweeted it out and like I posted it on Discord. We did stuff like that. Yeah. But a lot of the... The audience that would go to it quickly from that don't know us for this type of content. So the watch time was actually really low right off the bat. But over time, as I think Sammy was theorizing this, as people who might actually like this type of content found it, that aren't necessarily just pre-existing fans of ours, the watch time just started cranking.

3:13:27and it's been really interesting watching the like over time progression of how it's performed and why with who and all that kind of stuff on a brand new channel making content that is very dissimilar to what either of these people have publicly made before the D-brand part I thought the D-brand part was pretty funny I had Sammy stand in the rain told them that he was supposed to do a dbrand segment and then we didn't record the audio and i just dubbed the audio of the dbrand spot so sammy's just standing in the rain for no reason

3:14:09and i thought i thought dbrand would love it and i got an email from uh from a robot afterwards that was like yep nice that was pretty great nice um but yeah it was fun it was a really good experience i don't it's extremely insanely unsustainable to do these very often i don't have that much vacation time and we're not going anywhere so cool so a travel vlog from someone who is not going to book travel explicitly to make travel vlogs pretty much nice so it may be about like my family vlog which still hasn't published an episode yeah sam and i were talking today where it's like maybe we'll do something like that like once a year oh yeah cool and like Maybe that channel will get some other content in between a little bit, but this scale of thing would maybe be a once-a-year thing.

3:14:58It is harder to grow a channel with very dissimilar content being uploaded to it. I can tell you that much. So if the goal is to grow the channel, then bad strategy. I think the goal is mostly wrinkling brains. But if the goal is to just not let your memes be dreams, then... We had a bunch of conversations before making it of what success would look like. and for i was like hey i don't want to make i love taiwan so i don't want to make taiwan look bad i don't want the video to just genuinely be bad but oh hi sammy hi why are you still here it's eight for you for me yeah oh right that makes sense um i'm trying to get luke to do go on the canadian railway the longest railway in north america i just think it's gonna be so boring it's gonna be fun it literally over half is just gonna be wheat fields i literally have ridden from here to montreal on the railway um luke is right yeah what i can make it fun see this is what this is this was basically us off camera the whole week just arguing about everything.

3:16:10Luke's hunk, all right? I got the sauce. Sammy, why are you standing four feet away from a near-field microphone? I don't know how this works. Just put your face near it and talk. Hello? It's a microphone. I just came to say hi. Dan, could they even hear him? Yes. Okay, thank you. See, this is why we have one professional here on the show. One out of four. Good job, Dan. somebody said who is who who's buddy and who's pal you'll find out uh next time is that like a season two reveal kind of or like cliffhanger kind of thing don't game of thrones i think it's just gonna be a like you'll find out next time and then next time we say you'll find out next time and then you'll find out soon yeah they'll find out soon you'll find out soon okay but i don't know the goal is to to have fun and experiment with things and learn and have a good time all All right.

3:17:02Speaking of Sammy, our Floatplane announcement. Lime Day is still on. Don't miss your chance to save. And if you're a Supporter Plus member, you can get free shipping on orders over$100 in the U.S. or over$150 for Canada and worldwide. While you're on the site, by the way, check out some of the extras that went out this week on Floatplane. Not only do we have an hour-long exclusive from when I worked a full shift at Gwangha Digital Plaza. Who would have thought a 10-hour shoot would result in a ton of unused footage? lol but we also have extras from steve chan's amd ultimate upgrade fun fact both videos have the same windows problem where you try to set up a pc without making an account and both times linus isn't his best what does that what the hell does that mean he's not here anymore what does that mean what does that mean also socks uh so tatiana talks about the forever sock not actually going to I like the naming.

3:17:59I think our naming's been getting better. True Spec was wicked. Forever Sock seems really good. It's a team effort. True Spec, I think, was Dave. Forever Sock was one that I don't think I came up with, but I pushed for it. Oh. Because I thought it was... Like, I was the one who... It was actually... We were naming it right around the time that Thunder, whatever, that Marvel movie came out. Thunderbolts Yeah with the asterisk on it I was like why don't we just do that Let's call it the forever sock And then just be like forever asterisk It's not actually going to last forever and that's okay Because I think it gets across Like it's the only sock you're going to want Forever And it'll last a really long time we have a limited lifetime Warranty blah blah blah Can I put you on the spot here You can put me on any spot you want My god Darn toughs This was fun yeah sure you said it's the only sock you're ever going to want I stand behind that Darn Tough makes darn good socks I mean I think I've been very open with the fact over the last six years me talking about us making a sock goes back six years we found a one show clip and a huge part of why we took so long was that I wasn't willing to make something that I would wear and go I wish I had my Darn Toughs and making something that I would be happy with after wearing darn tufts for so long was really hard.

3:19:33I have a ton of respect for them. At one point in our journey, we approached them about manufacturing the socks for us because I was basically like, I give up. Why don't we just see if darn tough, we'll OEM them. And they weren't able, whether it was capacity or just not their business model, I don't remember the answer, but they weren't able to do that. So we were like, okay, we're going to keep chugging along.

3:20:00I don't want to go on the train. Nah, it's a major pain reference. The point is that we kept chugging along, and we eventually managed to build something that I'm really happy with, but I wouldn't even say better than Darn Tough. I think they're different than Darn Tough. We have KSPs that are different than them, and they're both really high quality products. I respect other companies that make high quality products and just because we have a presence in a space doesn't mean that all of a sudden their product is bad or that I don't appreciate the things that are good about it. Dan's just on a rip this week.

3:20:38I should be a copywriter. Yeah, yeah. Is that it? Are we doing... I think it's time for After Dark. After Dark? Oh my gosh. button. How are we doing in that regard, Dan? Not too bad. Not too bad. It's interesting I have gotten better. Have you gotten vicious? Vicious? No, I'm still gentle. It just doesn't affect me as much. I was looking at some of my previous statistics and yeah, this would be overwhelming in the past, but just breeze through it. Wow. Let's see. Well, I mean, the first one here is about socks darn tough enjoy here but they always wear prematurely just above the heel will ldt socks have any kind of reinforcement there i'm hoping yes so it is pretty typical for anywhere where you're changing the the knit for you to have to join them and for those spots to be a little bit weaker um there's no getting around that yeah and there um you know there will be places where eventually, like it's forever asterisk, like it's not going to last forever and there will be wear points eventually.

3:21:52I have also made that observation and I think we, I saw our abrasion resistance test report. It came back very strong. I think we're going to have extremely strong abrasion resistance, but nothing will be perfect forever and it's really going to depend on the way you wear your socks and especially it'll depend on your footwear. so i've noticed that with socks and sandals there are different places that a sock tends to wear compared to if you wear more traditional footwear for instance so your mileage may vary which i know is such a such a corporate answer but anytime we're talking about wear on a product i think it's somewhat merited we've seen some pretty extreme scenarios that some of the audience has like that coal miner yeah we didn't think that the ltd backpack was going to be used for coal mining didn't see that coming um we should send them a pair of socks and just see what happens i didn't think that freaking tinin from creator warehouse was going to wear test the socks by wearing them outside in the gravel like you know it's a barefoot it's a limited lifetime warranty We're not going to like cover hitting them with a blowtorch, you know, or scraping the walking without lifting your feet on concrete.

3:23:15You know, you got to have common sense in all of this. Right.

3:23:20Like, oh, man. Yeah. Because Tatiana told me that Tynan managed to wear a hole in some of his test socks. And I was like, because it hadn't been that long. And she's like, don't worry. he like was going out of his way to wear a hole in them by walking around in gravel and on concrete hard and i was like apparently a lot too what a tiny thing to do that would be i had all my carpet replaced with sandpaper your socks are terrible they burst through like i made my floor a conveyor living room 80 grit so we're all just gonna have to have a little bit of we're all just going to have to have a little bit of common sense you know about all of this

3:24:04hello wanda deal do you think nvidia partnering with intel to work on a chiplet gpu without having to be without having to bet the farm like amd has to do with ryzen could lead to better yields and power draw than monolith quite a mouthful no it wouldn't lead to better power draw than monolithic designs but it would almost certainly lead to better yields uh anytime you can do like a multi a multi uh chip package uh or chiplet a multi chiplet package um that is going to help with yields that's a big part of why they do them uh but for me the most interesting thing about you know something based on you know panther lake and um you know like an rtx 50 series gpu would just be the pairing of that incredible x86 compatibility performance power efficiency of like panther lake and then all the other all the above for you know nvidia's latest rtx gpus it would kind of put the the best of all worlds in one place for me seeing now rtx spark i kind of doubt that that's coming but i'd still love to see it nvidia seems completely invested in in windows on arm now but i mean maybe not who knows maybe they'll just put their ip in anything as long as uh as long as there's customer demand for it loving the polos and screwdrivers linus my wife wants to know what your favorite song on taylor swift's newest album is i don't even know what her newest album is called to be perfectly oh no life of a show girl i did know that okay that that's her latest um okay what are the songs oh my god look how her one album has a longer wikipedia article than most wikipedia articles are you kidding me i mean every wikipedia article is longer than luke's Oh my God.

3:26:04Got him. Okay. Track listing.

3:26:15I know this one. I don't know. I don't, I don't listen to albums. I just, I just find a song I like, and then I go play radio. So I guess I'll, I'm so sorry to let you down. I'm, I'm a bad Swifty, bad Swifty. I don't even prefer the Taylor's versions of things. Oh. Her voice changed a little and it's not the nostalgia that I want. Wow. So I listened to the not Taylor's version once. Bad Swifty. That's rude. Yeah. Bad Swifty. That's not good. I would not admit that publicly. That's rough. I know. You, that might be. Can we take the stream down? Yeah. That might be one of the biggest like threat things you've said on the show.

3:27:00I'm going to enrage the Taylor Swift fandom. Yeah, there's a lot of them. They can take you down like bees. Just because you have the same thighs does not mean you can say stuff like that. I don't have the same ones. I have big thighs, but I think hers are better. Maybe you're redeeming yourself. Hey, boogers! A phrase of Linus's that stuck with me is, there are two kinds of right. Right and right enough. At least we're one of those. Any other surprise phrases of clarity from the set? I don't remember saying that. Sorry. There are two kinds of right. Right and right enough. And we are at least one of those.

3:27:43When the heck did I say that? Noki, you got a timestamp? Yeah, really? What does that even mean? Sometimes I wish there was the possibility for back and forth with comms. Luke, can we get like a chat service going? No. Noki says, That was faster than I was expecting. Give me M in it. Couldn't even. Oh, it's not. It's not high enough yet. Hold on. I'm just going to. I'm just going to spam chat so that I can. There we go. Give me an in it.

3:28:18Frantically typing that into the keyboard. I'm imagining. I'm imagining. Why did you just spam D a million times? Oh, because move it over the pip. Yeah, because it was below the thing. Oh, I see. I had to do the thing. Nice save. Nice save. Don't ban it. Don't bend. Don't time me out. Well, we'll come back to that one. Well, Lenny's got the Rocket League reference. Let's go. Yay. My son plays Rocket League. Yeah. And I come over and I say, are you winning, son? And then I see stuff. You see him spamming nice save? I taught my son good manners. So yes? So yes. it's amazing how many like gamer habits i recognize he picked up that i definitely didn't teach him it's just gamer culture man it's a thing it's a thing not the words though

3:29:13um okay up next okay nokie says there are 1927 references to write in wanshow hold on i'm trying my best boss man oh it could have been from an ltt and says i think it's the august 2023 thing but brp oh lordy well you got a few more let's move on for now hi from shanghai my son six and i a weird name for your son i've been playing local co-op games unravel two it takes two split fiction lots of tape to tape any suggestions for some classical local co-op

3:29:57it sounds like you've already found a lot of the really good ones I just heard about Peak because I live under a rock so I downloaded it yesterday it's on Steam Summer Sale for like$4 or something like that so I picked it up I'm planning to play that with the kids Among Us is genuinely fun I find it's also really fun with kids We were down at PAX last year, and I was down with my brother and a buddy of mine that's been coming down to PAX with me for years. But most of my crew has fallen off ever since COVID put a pause on all that. So there's just the three of us. But we ran into two of my brother's friends that I also grew up with and am friends with, and they had their sons there.

3:30:42So there was a bunch of us. And we went to the VR free play section, and they had Among Us VR. that's probably some of the most fun i've had playing games in a long time because you're in vr and i was trying to i was trying to convince one of the kids to vote out his own dad and the kid's like six or something and eventually i just started yelling and i put my arms up in the air and i was running after him in the game and i could hear him like three seats over from me just start screaming and running away and it was so funny. It was so funny. So just like when you made that little girl cry at a Mario Kart tournament.

3:31:21Terrifying small children is very fun in video games. That's what we're gonna do for Luke's 40th. We're gonna get him a bunch of small children and he can make them all feel bad. Oh, perfect. Perfect, perfect. Pankrat says he thinks he found it. Uh... Okay, Dan, I've got it up. But yeah, it was funny. It was very funny. And I was yelling, you have to vote on your dad, you have to vote on your dad, blah blah blah blah blah blah! And then eventually I got him to actually do it, and it was great. It was just, it was very fun. Were you right? I was right. Nice, okay. Okay, we're ready? I think I was, I don't remember.

3:31:58Okay, let's see. And right enough. And we are at least one of them. Okay, hold on. Right, and right enough. I got those holes right. To the cart itself and widening the holes. Okay, now we find out if I got those holes right Well, there's two kinds of right Right and right enough And we are at least one of them Okay I didn't think that was I didn't think that was worthy of Remembering for years Um I guess what I was just It's hard to know whatever ones of your own phrases Are worth remembering Yeah, Luke 2026 Can we please immortalize that? Oh my god Can that be at the very top of his Wikipedia page?

3:32:45Speaking of which Where are we at on that? It's nowhere probably I don't know you're becoming quite important You are after all the co-host of the LAN show Which is what did we call the company again? It's an important company What's this company called? Do you want me to actually say it? Are you not supposed to? No I don't know I don't remember what it's called Isn't it adequate media? Yeah yeah adequate media It's probably good enough. Yeah, co-owner of Adequate Media. Wikipedia. Okay, hold on. Let's see. How close are we? Luke's Wikipedia article. Okay, here it is. Draft. So can we get that?

3:33:19Can we get that as a quote at the time? Oh, my God. Look at all this. Oh, people have been on it. People have been as recently as a few months ago. If you'd like to continue working on the submission. Okay, here we go. So, yeah, we need to... Known for his frequent wisdom. Come up with a brick? Come up with a brick.

3:33:46Okay. Noki says, why didn't I remember that? Oh, yeah. Pancratus used Filmot. This Filmot is crazy. Yeah. It is so useful. I don't know if you guys have seen this tool before. But basically, you can just search for a channel. Oh, are we one word? I think we're one word. Oops. Tech tips. There it is. That's the one. So you can just do that. And you can search for socks. And this was how I found... How your oldest reference was like a super long time ago? Yeah, on Wancho. What is this? Boop. I haven't seen that one. Wait. What? That doesn't make any sense. Place one of the items. Verify. well it doesn't make sense to a bot like you but i'm a human so i passed it got him so yeah i was so basically i just went through and i found the oldest when show that i could find where i talked about socks uh and some of it is not related we're doing holiday shopping with squelching socks and if you want to be wet our sponsor vessi uh so more results it's an amazing way to find that one time that we talked about something.

3:35:02Really cool. Great tool. How was that WAN show? No, just me. Which one? Here? Yeah. Occasionally you hosted the WAN show alone. Some socks. They all feel great. This is the WAN show. It's an hour of just Luke. You don't remember that? I would occasionally host it myself too. Not that I'm saying that my socks are not the most optimal wear for these conditions. I remember I brought a lot of guests on. Like I brought my brother on. I brought my mom on. I brought Barclays on. Me too. I tried too. It didn't always work out. Huh. Yeah. There's, I mean, there's a crazy amount of stuff we've done that I have no memory of.

3:35:44Yeah. But I don't remember solo hosting way in. Yeah. That's a thing. Cool. Way to go. Good job. Yeah. I, Short, Tall, and Dan. Linus, how often do you use your VR? With my Quest 2, I spend half the VR time troubleshooting issues. I hope the Steam frame will be less frustrating. I'm going to be honest. I pretty much haven't touched my VR setup since I tried the Steam frame. Now that I have glimpsed the future, high quality displays, higher resolutions, super compact form factor, Nothing excites me anymore that isn't the Steam frame and its wirelessness and incredible freedom of motion. I just have not felt compelled to go into a virtual world, and I'm just patiently waiting right now.

3:36:42Luke, have you tried your big screen beyond yet? No. God damn. What? The frame's going to come out before I know if I should buy a PSB or not. We were like just finishing having organized the place and then I went on the big trip and then I've been sick and then yeah. Wow. BSB will always mean Backstreet Boys to me by the way, Dan. That makes it better. I would continue to use that abbreviation. The Backstreet Boys have just been sitting in your closet this whole time. My closet? No, they go in my media console. They have a little drawer. Did you give them in the can?

3:37:18Wendell teaches a course at Eastern Kentucky University on software development. True. If you could teach a college course, what would it be about?

3:37:34Man, I don't think I could teach a college course on anything. Yeah. The stuff that I know is all like... Wendell's kind of special. Wrong. like i could teach a business course but like i i don't i don't know a thing about proper business i just kind of like wing it um i think i think we could probably both but like a seminar yeah yeah a college course i don't think either of us are doing that like i i told the like i told the i told the middle school the local middle school that um it came up in conversation i told them I'd be happy to come in and talk about sort of like the behind the lens of social media and like what the influencer industry is actually like and they were really interested in that because I was just like I was talking to the principal of the school and I was basically just saying like you know one of the things that I talk to my kids about a lot is what you see on social media is what people want you to see on social media it's not what's what's real you know you got someone posing on the beach with their fancy drink with their little umbrella and it whatever but what you're not seeing is like all the setup and how actually they're just sitting there editing away on their laptop for the vast majority of the time and it was just that one second that they snapped the shutter that they actually looked like that um and um you know talking about all of the players that are vying for your attention and in some cases your money um and like how it all works and they were like, oh yeah, that's really interesting.

3:39:07And like, yeah, I could do a session on that. Sounds like you could do a masterclass. I think what you're describing is a masterclass. No, no, because it's more like a warning than an actual actionable thing. It's like, here's all the things to watch out for. No, that's a masterclass, yeah. I've never watched a masterclass. Only read the comments. No, I haven't done that either. I've never signed up for a masterclass. That's not a ding, Dan. my mom got us master class subscriptions for christmas one year um and there was like if remember correctly there was like a reason for everybody like a suggested thing that we go check out and she suggested gary kasparov's chess thing okay for me and that was actually pretty sick i didn't resubscribe but i did the whole gary kasparov thing within that year and it was it was cool mr mcqueen says a class on being an on-screen persona again though that would be Like, okay, so that has the same problem as like running a business.

3:40:08I run a business, obviously. It's been reasonably successful, obviously. But that's not because I like am good at it or know anything. Like I do a lot of things that I do intuitively and instinctively. It's not, I don't know it. And it's hard to teach something just because you're good at doing something or reasonably good at doing something doesn't mean that you understand the theory and you understand the fundamentals and you can teach it in a way that is structured that other people can follow along with. with yeah i mean from what i've seen about master classes it's not necessarily you're teaching it to people who don't have any idea what's going on you're teaching it to like more akin to peers of some kind sorry i'm still hung up on a college level course like i yeah maybe i don't know maybe i could do a master class on that but i wouldn't consider myself a master of that anyway i'm okay at it like i sounds like master talk that's exactly what the messiah would say thanks thanks brian oh you have my reference yay of course i actually re-watched it not that long ago you would be surprised how many people have not seen that no i wouldn't what the life of nobody's seen the life of brian the only reason i even know what it is is because my mom was a was a python fanatic i've seen the life of brian did you get the reference no yeah what did you even say i didn't That's what the Messiah would say.

3:41:30Yeah, I don't think I did. Yeah. I would get some references from it, but I haven't seen it in a long time. Life of Brian is, it's a movie that is, that is hard to appreciate because it would be, in my opinion, it's actually, this is, okay, this is, this is going to ruffle some feathers, but I actually think it's the kind of movie that would benefit substantially from a remake. like a reimagining with actually good actors and like okay no i'm serious though because a big part of like the the the premise and and the script is is so ridiculous and it's so funny but it's hard for people who are not python heads to enjoy because it's just full of monty python isms and like i think you can just say north americans yeah they all liked um the what's the the knights one the knights who say knee yeah what's that from knights of knee that's from the holy grail the holy grail yeah north america loved that one they did life of brian was a little more python and a little python yeah yeah and and and and like the the bits like they drag on for too long which is funny that is funny yeah if you're into that and is pretty off-putting if you're not yeah but i think sometimes you can make things for a particular type of people and not worry that it doesn't spill over no you can but it's if you want something to be easier there it's like a candy coating it's like yeah you can make a medicine that you know makes people feel better buckley's sure uh or you can put a candy coating on it and more people can appreciate it and both are valid but i like buckley's and that's fine i just think that that's a movie life of brian is is one of the python movies that i think could benefit from being a little less python whereas like holy grail is unapologetically python all the way through and it doesn't even really have much of a point like the point of it is that there is no point and spoiler alert at the end it turns out it wasn't even set in the past anyway like it's just the whole thing is just utter camp and silliness purely for the sake of utter camp and silliness whereas life of brian actually like is like it's it's like deeply funny it's it's an amazing premise and it's i think it's even funnier today than it was when they released it not that i was around when they released it but just looking at how utterly out of place you know the actual you know second coming would be today like how challenging that would go yeah I think it just gets funnier over time I still remember the opening blessed are the cheesemakers the Greek shall inherit the earth everybody Greek it's like great because they were standing way at the back and they wouldn't be able to hear there were no AV systems back then yeah that was great yeah but I think it is a little maybe dated, but it's also not very North America centric.

3:44:50It's a different style. It's definitely a different style. And like, I watched all of Monty Python, like when I was in high school, I was like, Monty Python's funny, right? I'm going to watch it all. And I'll admit a lot of it did not resonate with me. Like I didn't, it's like, honestly, it's like any sketch comedy show. Like you watch Upright Citizens Brigade, or you watch Whitest Kids You Know, you watch monty python i mean hell tim and eric yeah a lot of it doesn't hit um or at least it doesn't resonate not every not every sketch can resonate with every viewer um but i do think that watching it all primed me for enjoying life of brian more than i otherwise would have i think that's that's a very good way to put it yeah kids in the hall is another example of just like a lot of it's like not very funny um and then occasionally it's like this is absolute gold platinum frankincense and myrrh all rolled into one like it's amazing up next hey sebi laffy and bessie what helps you with big life decisions i want big upgrades to the house it's a pain in the a zoning restrictions find a different house in the city with features is more money move back to the rural and drive is easy what helps you with big lifts i mean talking through talking it through is huge um you know i think in a lot of ways people around you can know you better than you know yourself and so when you're really stuck on a decision uh you know sometimes i'll just tell yvonne and she almost never actually does this just drives me crazy but I'll just tell her can you just decide for me because realistically even if what even if what I want I'm gonna be okay with whatever it is yeah and even if what I want right now feels like this you probably know better what I need so it would be swell if you just tell me what to do

3:46:59big upgrades two house equals pain in the butt zoning restrictions find a different house in a with features equals money, move back to rural and drive equals easy. I think there's some things that I would consider is like, if you, if you move back to rural and drive, like go do that drive. And then really seriously think in your soul, do I want to do that every day? And then do the math of like the amount of extra driving for moving out there, compound that over a year and figure out how much time is lost and be like, is that okay with me? Am I the type of person, you know, maybe it is am i the type of person who kind of likes a long drive alone am i going to happily just listen to podcasts there and back every day and this isn't a huge deal for me it's a way for me to disconnect socially and get some of my introverted alone time or whatever it's fine or do you finish that drive and just feel like you just lost part of your life and you'll never get it back and that might help you uh aim a little bit yeah find a different house versus zoning restrictions is maybe try to do the things and if you get full blocked consider moving speaking of mostly shows that i found unfunny but had like particular bits that really resonated with me if you've never seen the ass pennies sketch from upright citizens brigade oh my god it's one of my personal all-time favorites i thought that was an isolated sketch i didn't know that there was stuff around that uh well there's nothing around it it's just a it was Upright Citizens Brigade.

3:48:30It was a sketch comedy show. No, what I mean, I thought that was just like a one-off. Oh, no. I think that's a very old, from like proto-internet, I just assumed that was a joke somebody made. No, it was on Comedy Central. Crazy. Upright Citizens Brigade. Back in the day, man.

3:48:45Hey there, Triumvirate. You've mentioned using Odysseus for... Triumvirate. Triumvirate? Yeah, sure. Correcting pronunciation is not something Luke gets to do often, so... it's true let's let him bask in i'm not gonna lie right after i said it i was like oh wow i got the that's not normally me the wrong base language uh hey triumvirate you've mentioned using odysseus for some of your ai prompting have you made use of any coding specific models and how has that gone from you i am still working on getting it all set up so i'm gonna go with let me get back to you on that yeah unfortunately honestly i think dan might be the best option for this because i have been waiting to use models like that until i build my local stuff my local stuff is not done i've sourced some of the hardware but i'm still waiting on other bits and i'm trying to get it very one of the gpus mostly but also in there everything else i have one gpu which what kind uh a 4090 okay the plan is two of them but that plan might fall through if one that i'm trying of source for cheap doesn't come through i got a spare that i haven't blocked yet you can either play with or borrow mix and mashing doesn't seem to matter borrow i've been trying to keep an eye on use market for um some uh what is it zen three thread rippers was that it i've got one of the original thread rippers sitting on the floor of my office that i'm too adhd to sell um uh but yeah i'm too many computers i've got some a bunch of used market components that i've been trying to keep an eye out for it's uh it's rough out there kids so it hasn't been going too fast and i haven't been like you know i've been traveling but i haven't been like super chomping at the bit to get it done so i've been trying to snipe out some deals there's been a couple messages i've sent and just hasn't really worked out because I low-balled probably too hard, but it is what it is.

3:50:57Last one I got for you. Hi, Lukey Poo. If you were the president CEO of Technology of Earth and you could change one standard, what standard would you change? What standard would I change? That's an interesting question. Yeah, a combination might be good. I'm going to think of something, but I think I have mine. How? Do I have to say how I would change it? Or can I just point at it and be like, I want that to be better? Yeah, yeah. I think that's fine. That's fine? You can submit it to your committee. You are a CEO. I wouldn't expect you to do real work. Well, I'm the president CEO of Technology of Earth.

3:51:37Yes, exactly. You would definitely delegate. Yeah. So DNS. Interesting. I would get rid of it completely. Okay. I think just... Manual lookup tables? If we could make it really, really good. But then we wouldn't have any problems. All computers would work all the time. There'd be no more tech issues. Wait, yeah. You're going to get rid of an entire industry because every product... Yeah, that sucks, actually. We'd destroy everyone's jobs. Yeah, I take it back. I actually do have an answer. I was going to go with a pretty low-hanging fruit. I would standardize on... I thought DNS was low-hanging fruit.

3:52:14That's pretty specific and monumental. No, I'm going even lower hanging fruit. I would standardize on a very safe, high voltage, universal power standard. Oh, that's pretty good. So that we could have thinner conductors and so that nobody would ever have to carry around an adapter to plug into a power outlet ever again. You don't have to include a bunch of junk with any international products that you're selling. That's pretty good. I like that. 780 volts. Yeah. I was just, yeah, someone in chat mentioned it. I was actually doing that. Putting Jeff's shirt side gig out of business with that one, Luke.

3:52:52Yeah, I was channeling Jeff Geerling right there. But I didn't want to put his shirt business out of... You know? He's just destroying multiple industries. All right. We got one last... One last comm here. Hey, DLL. Hey. Hey. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you again next week. Hey. Make sure that you are subscribed to The WAN Show. YT. Oh, YT. Yeah, I'm just bringing it up on screen here. No, not that. What the hell is that? Wait a second. It's WAN Show YT. Oh. There we go. This. Make sure you're subscribed or you will likely miss the show next week. Yeah, we're not streaming. We're only streaming here next week.

3:53:35We'll see you again next week. Same bad time. Completely different channel. You need to be over there. Hi.

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