I Met THE Linus - WAN Show September 5, 2025

19:29Linus Sebastian:Yeah. I think we should shout out where we got the tip from, too. Yes, that's right.

19:34Luke Lafreniere:Well, let's go chronological. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. I will grab some pictures in a minute, if I can. Anyway, I ran this chart, and I saw that there was this shift. Yeah. And it was really, really strange, because it was so sudden. And we hadn't seen many other kind of, I guess, creators talking about it at that point. Yeah. And it was also very difficult to find other creators that were presenting similar to WeWere. I polled MrBeast. I polled Veritasium. I polled a bunch of other channels. And I think their upload frequency maybe had something to do with their data that didn't look like this.

20:20Luke Lafreniere:But what we found was the views were down, but the like ratio had gone through the roof. So our average like ratio, I think, was something like 3%. And it had skyrocketed.

20:31Linus Sebastian:Did we know this already before the heads up?

20:32Luke Lafreniere:Sorry?

20:34Linus Sebastian:Did we know this like ratio thing already before we got the heads up? No, this was the heads up. Okay. We've got to go chronologically.

20:40Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, who was that then? That was Brody? Oh, yeah, that's right.

20:46Linus Sebastian:Okay, so there was a merch message that came in from a viewer. Yeah. giving us a heads up of Brody Robinson. Hopefully I didn't say that wrong. Let me check his channel. We've engaged with him before.

21:03Luke Lafreniere:And Fleming says Brody. Yeah, I watched his video.

21:06Linus Sebastian:Yeah, Brody Robinson. So there's a merch message that came in flagging that video for us. So big appreciation to the merch message. If I remember correctly, it was anonymous. That's right. I don't know. But that sent us to Brody's video. And then Brody's video talked about this whole, you know, views going down, likes going sharply up, revenue going.

21:28Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, likes not going sharply up, but likes staying constant. Meaning that if views are down, but your likes are the same, the ratio of viewers liking the content is skyrocketing.

21:41Linus Sebastian:and then a pattern as well of revenue also staying constant meaning that your cpms or your amount of money per view um also went yeah that's that's another big thing that that i found i think

21:56Luke Lafreniere:that was a couple days ago now um i was looking at our revenue numbers because okay um are we getting less views if we're getting less views we should be making less money every youtuber makes money off of AdSense, that should track. I did a linear regression on revenue to view count, and it is pretty much perfectly statistically correlated with no outliers. Revenue is stable around our average. It hasn't moved within one sigma from that mean, but viewership is down over one sigma, so like 65 to 98 percent kind of outside normal. And then like ratio is up by two sigma. So it's like everyone who is seeing this, I think your views are the same.

22:46Luke Lafreniere:I think they haven't changed. And you can check your revenue numbers and you can check your like ratio as well. Another thing that I did is I calculated our revenue per view, which is like kind of a CPM that you know, we make. It's like an RPM, but not the one that YouTube reports. YouTube's reported CPM and RPM have no statistical correlation to view count at all. But if you take the number of views you get and the amount of money you get, you get like an RPM. That number has also skyrocketed by about the same. And what I managed to do was I calculated our average RPM and then I kind of flipped it around.

23:28Luke Lafreniere:So instead of RPM revenue divided by views, I did how many views we should have got for this amount of revenue that we generated. And what I found is that, you know, it's a little bit more wonky, but the views are where they're supposed to be. The numbers are, you know, roughly where they're supposed to be on the average, which I thought was very strange. Do you have any of these visuals for the people just yet? They're gonna take me a sec. Why don't you guys discuss? Because I gotta like screen cap and download all these pictures. Oh, okay. I'm so sorry.

24:02Linus Sebastian:It's been interesting. There's there's I was flagged this video and and in classic fashion. I haven't watched it and I haven't read the comments. Oh boy. Oh boy. Oh boy. Here we go.

24:15Luke Lafreniere:It's probably full of furry porn. No, no, no.

24:21Linus Sebastian:No, it's a dark viper video. um but the he released a video 17 hours ago i've been traveling so i haven't been able to watch it but he released a video 17 hours ago uh just in quotes saying i guess my retirement is coming sooner than i thought um and i've i've heard that it's about this youtube performance thing that's going on um so maybe consider checking that out i've seen some other creators talking about it there's some theories i believe brody who really tipped us off on all of this stuff um yeah there's theories that i believe he said as well that it might be kind of being a b tested so some channels are getting hit by whatever this is and other channels seem to not be um i have talked to other creators that think that they've had none of these effects um and i've looked at their results and their their overall revenue staying kind of flat their their like to view ratio staying kind of flat and their overall views are staying kind of right where they expected and then you're seeing other creators where this exactly exactly similar pattern is happening where the like to view ratio and the cpms are just going way up and the views are going way down and it's all on the exact it happened to everybody at like the exact same time so it's it's really really really hard like we don't know obviously we have no idea but it's really hard to point at this and say like there isn't something going on on in youtube land yeah obviously you can always do

25:51Luke Lafreniere:better sure and there are various theories for for how you know something like this could happen legitimately uh one of the theories that i've seen is that youtube could be cleaning up um idle autoplay so something that i do know is that an idle view is not worth as much it cannot be monetized as effectively as an active engaged view it's also less likely to result in clicking the like button because you're sleeping or you're otherwise away or idling and so that is a potential hypothesis for how a video could perform as expected in terms of the revenue and in terms of the viewer engagement but not register nearly as many views or nearly as much watch time um it could also explain why some of these very low viewership videos have really great retention and really great user sentiment it turns out this is a good video it's just that like nobody's watching it or maybe youtube is fine-tuning things so that only people who are actually very interested and very actively engaged are watching it that's one theory i've seen so i got our our chart here ready and i'm gonna hold on let me finish with the kind of random theories and then some more yeah as soon as you're ready okay um after that um another one is that there's this new feature called i think it's called hype that showed up in the dashboard right around that time and i think it has to do with helping to promote small channels um so another theory that i've seen is that no the viewer drop is real but it is mostly affecting only certain kinds of channels or it's mostly affecting established channels because this hype feature is kind of designed to elevate smaller channels and and diversify the content on the platform a little bit i think there could be some merit there but it doesn't really back up some of the observations that we've seen within our own dashboard over the last little while.

28:02Luke Lafreniere:Like after that one video that absolutely bombinated the hidden gaming setup in my new desk one that still has half a million views, which I want to just get this out there. Most people on earth would be thrilled to get half a million views on their YouTube video. And that is, that's like huge. I'm not down on getting half a million views on a YouTube video. That's awesome. like good job if you've ever managed to achieve that i'm just saying that when you have like a hundred staff and you've kind of built a model around expecting a certain number of views then then that can be a disappointment because that could mean that the model is no longer sustainable so that's that's where i'm coming from here so right after that one that bombed we had um Our worst performing WAN show in, I don't know, years.

28:57Luke Lafreniere:It was rough. Yeah, last WAN show was an absolute bomb. But then we had two 1 out of 10s in a row. And when I say a 1 out of 10, that means that it is the top performing video out of the last 10 uploaded to your channel. That's a good thing.

29:15Linus Sebastian:It sounds like a bad thing, but it's a good thing.

29:17Luke Lafreniere:Yes. So we had Nintendo's greed could change the industry. That was a one out of 10. It now has 1.6 million views. And it has a looks like a pretty normal like ratio. So I don't know if I would believe that it's supposed to have 3 million views by now. And then we had we're being forced to buy Chromebooks, which was a really like back to basics, old school LTT filmed on phones, completely unscripted. Me and David went shopping for Chromebooks. That was another one out of 10, which also like has it's got a good. you know, like ratio and everything, but, but not an outlier by any stretch of the imagination.

29:52Luke Lafreniere:Then we had another bomb yesterday. And so that unfortunately, I think kind of derailed the conversation within the community to, yeah, you guys aren't getting views because your content sucks. And it's like, look, I get it. The, the, how many monitors is too many? Sure. You can make the argument. It sucked. Looking back at it now with people's feedback, it's like, yeah, you know what i think our ratio of not the ones that got the lg monitor shipped to them could have been better and like it probably could have been longer um it just was bad timing we've been internally we've been discussing hey how do we get our video lengths down a little bit but that was shot before that happened so the ratio probably would have been better anyway the point is just it's it spilled milk at this point um even with some of the negative negative feedback around it it the viewership is is very very low but it's still not nearly as bad as that hidden desk one was which i think had a better title better thumbnail better premise um and and was

30:51Linus Sebastian:like a real real outlier i really thought that the title thumbnail on the desk video was was

30:59Luke Lafreniere:fantastic yeah so okay with all that in mind then i don't know what to think other than if they are a b testing something it might even not be channel wide i mean it might be video to video for all i can tell um and or maybe they just aren't a b testing something and maybe maybe those videos just suck and and at the end of the day like our action plan just has to be make the best possible content we can and upload as much of it as we can that's all we can do um but it's still you know i don't think it hurts to have these conversations so okay dan you got us some visuals to show the people now right do i do hopefully hopefully they can make sense um and are we okay showing some revenue numbers or shall i keep that one out of it yeah i don't care so here is the first one i got at the top here we might want to either i will get rid of myself in a second in the top here we've got views and the bottom one here is our no don't do it uh the green line in the center there is our average one sigma two sigma above that you can see like ratio has gone ridiculous and views are down two um the next one here no no put put that back up do you have a mouse pointer that you can kind of use to really show them the date uh maybe probably not help the people okay fine well basically it's let me do that it's around the start of uh august there then that's right where the like to the like to view ratio on the top just skyrockets where the low watermark becomes what used to be a high water mark right and then right on that same day pretty much you go down to the bottom and view performance goes

32:42Linus Sebastian:and like some of that can be explained a little bit because if a video is only viewed by the super hardcore audience they're more likely to yes uh tap like but this is this does not explain that entirely.

32:58Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There, I made a point here. So yeah, as you can kind of see, like, this is where it kind of starts. Right in August, it all goes a bit weird. And then if we compare that with all of our videos we've ever made, which is this one here. So I pulled all 6 ,000. You can see right at the end here, this goes up. Most of it's just like noise for the entire history of the channel and then it just goes and then same here it just kind of drops down to nothing um and and there are some there are definitely some outliers over the years where there's days that have like a spectacular like ratio um but those if you if you go and you drill down into them what you're going to find is things like the uh the dbrand uh sponsored video where we just like uploaded that video of dbrand trolling me that has a phenomenal like to view ratio or ones where you know elijah said hey if we get 100 000 likes i'll i'll make this weird hope poster uh with ceo taran tong which we did get and we did have to make um so so those are some of the outliers that you guys are seeing there um everything else is pretty much our typical you know way of doing things where we don't really call out the like button super hard our content i wouldn't i wouldn't describe it as samey i don't think that's fair but i think it's consistent for the most part another thing that i did is um that second win video that came out got shared around this is their channel and i can see exactly pretty much the same thing their like ratio goes insane their views kind of go down i've had to correct this one a little bit because they have sort of mini channels, right?

34:45Luke Lafreniere:You've got Yahtzee in them, and there's all those sorts of spikes. But most of their channel performance is around here. And then you can kind of see there's a bit of drop-off, but that like ratio goes crazy, which is very, very strange as well. If we move on to our revenue here, this is from a more recent kind of time period. But you can see that the views drop off here, but revenue is still within that 65 % middle band. And then our revenue per view goes up like insane, like way out of normal, which is kind of interesting as well. Very, very, very strange. If you want to see that as a linear regression, you can kind of see here.

35:28Luke Lafreniere:So this top one is the provided CPM. so basically yeah like no uh absolutely no correlation between cpm and views and then the bottom one here is our views to estimated revenue which would kind of tell me that our revenue's not being adjusted because we're still getting the same amount of views and we're still getting the same amount of revenue or rather we're not getting the same number of views sorry yeah yeah um the expected amount of revenue is weird uh this last one here is that kind of flip so you can kind of again see on the right hand side here we've got our um right like these two graphs track really really closely with each other until suddenly at the beginning of august they decouple absolutely and you do see some slight decoupling but not consistent and if you can think about where our numbers are supposed to be which are roughly around 1.5 to 2 million.

36:31Luke Lafreniere:These are there. Just the views are really low. Some of them are still coupled. I don't know what's going on. I don't know enough, but that's really strange. I've got more. But wait, there's more. But wait, there's more. Which one is this? This is Dark Viper. He posted that video today. I see the same thing. You can see his like ratio goes crazy, and his views are down he hits an all-time he hits two what would be all-time highs for like ratio in the last month you got to be kidding me right while his views are in the absolute toilet at low points for this entire data range it's here yeah like come on come on man another interesting thing that i'm seeing is like the like ratio is super decoupled from views initially like you'll have a view that you'll have a video that has 100 ,000 views and it has 80 ,000 likes and the likes go up even more like I was tracking the do you want to go back to uh talking heads

37:35Linus Sebastian:yeah let's probably do that oh um have you really seen it that bad 100 ,000 views 80 ,000 likes that's insane yeah the second wind video I started tracking immediately after it got posted and

37:45Luke Lafreniere:like I was looking at the like ratio on that it was within the first hour it had like 40 ,000 views and like nearly 40 ,000 likes. Like the ratio for it was just at the absolute top. They're lagging. And I think a couple other channels have mentioned that. I think Dark Viper mentioned that. I think somebody else did too. Yeah, I saw someone mentioning that they encountered a situation where their internal dashboard actually registered fewer views than the external view counter, which they said in like some number of, big number of years of doing this, they'd never seen. yeah i've never seen it either normally our internal real-time view counter or even the non-real-time internal view counter in the studio registers significantly more views than what's visible externally because i think whether it's more vetting or whether it's just not updating as frequently because of the load that that would put on the external platform um that view counter is not as accurate supposedly um as the one that we have um in our dashboards yeah i spent the last week or two building a tool to kind of cross-check any channel from any time period, likes, comments, stuff like that.

38:56Luke Lafreniere:Everything is consistent, but the number. I don't think any of us are experiencing a lower viewer count, or what's happening is we're being served to a smaller group of more engaged viewers. Because if the like count is consistent, but the like ratio is going like through the roof um i don't know i don't know what it is um but what a view is has changed in my opinion or is being tested to change however exactly i have it from someone i would consider to be extraordinarily good authority that if that were happening they'd know and they don't know about that so well we're not getting less money yeah so i mean all right Well, okay, that's a complicated...

39:44Luke Lafreniere:It is a complicated question.

39:46Linus Sebastian:That's a complicated conversation, though, because in the eyes of a sponsor... Sponsor. Which, I don't know if this has happened to us at all, but theoretically, for any creator on YouTube, if they're working with outside sponsors, in the eyes of the sponsors, you're getting significantly less views. So, if your theory is correct, and there's a bunch of theories, and we have no idea which one is correct, if your theory is correct, and we're actually getting the same amount of views, then it's really screwing over our ability to work with outside sponsors, which will extremely negatively impact groups like us, which are like larger companies that are quite heavily reliant on that sponsor money.

40:26Linus Sebastian:Or hear me out, hear me out.

40:28Luke Lafreniere:Maybe it won't matter that much because, and here I'm going to, let me see if there's a way for me to do this easily. okay i'm gonna try and show a one week view let's go from uh let's go from last friday to this thursday i'm gonna kind of show you well oh man okay this is oh this is tough so what i was what i'm trying to do is show the oh balls i suck at this interface okay there what are you doing i'm trying to bring up my shopify dashboard so the point that i'm trying to make here is that yeah this is not going to demonstrate very well because we actually typically have a friday spike for wan show and then it lulls and then it spikes again on fridays so it's kind of cyclical so it's going to look like it is going down but day to day this week uh or even last week when we had the like big viewership dip there wasn't a reduction in sales on ltd store so it's possible that the sponsors won't care because our referral rates might seem to to dan's point earlier like they're actually skyrocketing so we might have fewer views but way more qualified views or impressions or or referrals yeah to me they're more high quality would would this change how we communicate to

41:50Linus Sebastian:sponsors or are we already talking in a conversion rate sense i don't really know the business side

41:55Luke Lafreniere:i don't think it would change anything at least not in the short to medium term i mean we a lot of the partners that we work with we've worked with for a very long time through good times and through less good times. And, you know, we try to work with our partners in a in a reasonable fashion where, hey, if they get a banger of a video that does six million views, we don't charge them extra for that. And in the same vein, when they get a dog that gets half a million views, you know, they don't come to us going like, I want my money back. Where's my money back, I think they understand that there's a certain amount of variability here.

42:36Luke Lafreniere:And if they stick with us, we've been such consistent performers on the platform for so long that we kind of have to understand each other that it's going to come out in the wash eventually. Speaking of the wash, unless Dan, did you have some more things you wanted to share with the folks? Because otherwise we should probably discuss the sweater I'm wearing. Yeah, I don't know. I think if people want to reach out and have me run their stats, or if you have any more data for me, I would really appreciate that. Yeah, I guess try and find me and we'll have a look at your channel. Yeah, BlueSky Twitter, email me, I don't know.

43:16Luke Lafreniere:We'll figure it out. Product. okay yeah let's do it i actually had i had brought up the uh i had brought up one of the bigger reddit threads on this and i was gonna kind of uh dunk on people's theories a little bit but i guess it's probably not worth it yeah everyone is wrong yeah basically if you think you know the answer and that it's black and white you're wrong you are just wrong you're just actually wrong i have charts for that you're wrong um there's there's just there's so get ripped oh my god There's so much certainty. There's so much certainty in this Reddit thread that is just utterly misplaced.

43:56Luke Lafreniere:You know, well, YouTube's video views have been going down for years. I have it on extremely good authority. That's not happening. I seriously don't.

44:05Linus Sebastian:That's true.

44:06Luke Lafreniere:Well, OK. Oh, well, there is one theory.

44:08Linus Sebastian:I'm not being too surprised if your chip is down a little bit from COVID era.

44:12Luke Lafreniere:You'd be surprised. youtube is going hard youtube's going strong boys um they're doing better on shorts than tiktok is now which is pretty nuts there is one theory that we had actually discussed internally as well and that's uh something i've got a bit of an update for you guys on um i think we touched on this last week where we felt that the channel was really being cluttered up by members only videos um so uh we've had some internal discussions this week about just killing the memberships on youtube that may move forward um right now it is not confirmed we'll definitely keep the ones that are just like emotes and and flares and stuff like that but the actual members only videos i think may go back to being floatplane exclusive however um youtube has asked for sort of uh a little bit of time to figure out if there's something that they can do to keep us from just walking away from this feature um because i think what i suspect i don't know this for sure but what i suspect is that we aren't the only ones complaining about the way that it's just embedded in the feed and potentially turning people off of our channel right now when we turned memberships on they weren't like this there was a members only videos like like tab and kind of like a patreon or floatplane or any other kind of off platform service um you you would drive people to memberships to that tab yourself as a creator you would control how you're calling it out and how you are how you're promoting it the way that it is now it just seems to be kind of shoved in the face of anyone who might have a passing interest in your channel and i think it's um it's really turning people off at the moment and that's something that you know no creator i don't think um if they aren't supremely arrogant um would be in a position where they they want to do you don't want to be turning people off of your channel um and and not gonna lie and i honestly don't think

46:24Linus Sebastian:this is like flowplane bias because i recommended and and supported us not recommended but supported us putting content on on youtube i it has turned me away um this this like youtube exclusives being in the main feed has been very annoying for me as as a youtube enjoyer of not just our channel but other people's channels as well it is very annoying and it one of the big things that it does is it pushes me away from the individual channel and it it gives people i think it can

46:57Luke Lafreniere:give people a sense of FOMO in a good way that converts them to become a member, but I think it can give people a sense of FOMO in a really bad way, especially if that's not something that is part of their budget right now. You know, like just because I think that our behind the scenes team is freaking awesome. I think the content's really great. Sammy kills it. That doesn't mean that everyone should spend, you know, five or$10 a month to get it. Like if that's, if that's not a manageable amount of money for you. I mean, Luke, I don't know if you want to talk about that indicator that you had that times have been pretty tough, but we fully recognize that times are pretty tough out there, and the first thing that you should cut out is throwing money at your screen if times are tough.

47:49Luke Lafreniere:I can talk about it.

47:49Linus Sebastian:It's up to you, really.

47:50Luke Lafreniere:No, I'm okay with it. Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Sorry.

47:57Linus Sebastian:So something I've noticed, and it makes me sad because I don't want this to be a situation that people are running into, to be completely honest. But something I've noticed is that we can check, mostly in Stripe. I'm sure it's possible in Braintree, but Braintree is really annoying to use for anything. But we can check in Stripe what the error codes are that we're getting for failed payments. And you can look at those error codes over time. And the error code for insufficient funds is a line that is trending up. percentage-wise. The amount of failed payments that are because of insufficient funds is rising over time to the point where there was one day in particular where there was a lot of cancellations, it seemed like, on the platform.

48:43Linus Sebastian:And I was looking into why, and it didn't seem like there was a lot of manual cancellations. So I was like, oh, that's a lot of failed payments. and i looked into it and it was just a actually somewhat stunning amount of insufficient funds um and yeah just like linus says right like it's it's it's and the insufficient funds code

49:04Luke Lafreniere:is completely discreet from the like um yeah uh sorry what's the other one uh rejected or denied yeah denied because denied could be for any reason but the insufficient funds one is like for that reason actually there's some there's some backup for this in float plane chat hovership says i work in banking and this is sadly so true dude it's crazy and it like i again i i can't

49:30Linus Sebastian:stress it enough i i love doing the full plane stuff i i adore the full plane team i want to be able to do full plane stuff basically forever i appreciate your guys's support i also don't want you going to insufficient funds on a credit card like oh man it's just it's so destructive to your life um to just carry credit card debt like that um and and you know like i i can i can hope that these are just like really really low limit credit cards that people have uh or virtual low limit because of control or whatever i i can really hope that it's those things but the volume of errors that we're getting indicates that it's not that um yeah uh firefighter

50:14Luke Lafreniere:6122 in float plane chat says i work in insurance and we are seeing the same issues

50:19Linus Sebastian:dude oh it's so rough it's so uncomfortable i yeah i i appreciate your support i don't want you in that situation um please come back later the the exclusives are there all the time so you You can come back and see them later. It's okay.

50:35Luke Lafreniere:Yep. And I've said this to people before because we've taken some criticism for not having regional pricing, right? And I fully recognize that, you know, five U.S. dollars is not a reasonable monthly amount if you are in India or, you know, some parts of South America, for instance. But one of the things that I have said publicly is that maintaining the subscription is an amazing way of helping support our channel, our development team, the incredible work that our editors and Sammy do on the exclusive content, not to mention our other participants. We had a really great meet the team with Sammy, who was featured on actually the last two Scrapyard Wars.

51:17Luke Lafreniere:That just went up this week. It's a great team, and they love getting your support. And that really does come from the people who maintain their subscription monthly. However, if it is a financial burden on you that is not reasonable, don't forget that Floatplane offers DRM-free downloads. We have that. That was baked into the platform from day one. Well, it's per creator. Sorry, it was baked into, the ability to set that up was baked into the platform from day one. We have had it enabled from day one. We have zero intention of ever removing that. So you can always create for yourself a pay however much you want tier.

51:59Luke Lafreniere:You could subscribe one month a year. So you could get effectively, you could pay 8 % for Floatplane and then you could queue up the downloads for everything you missed over the last year, dump it all in a folder and watch it at your leisure. we appreciate your support but we do not want to drain your bank account that's not what this is about there is a rate limit on it yes CWP but over the span of a month I think you should be able to grab everything that was uploaded last while

52:29Linus Sebastian:I haven't looked into it in a bit but there's like a github thing for a script for Plex that will download it just right below the rate limit and stuff like that

52:39Luke Lafreniere:we had to do the rate limit thing because people were kind of abusing it and so it's just like this is why this is why we can't have nice things yeah but we we we are we are not out to put you guys in financial straits uh okay i think oh yeah dan was there anything else you wanted to share with the people i'm not sure i think it's still developing um i would love other channels get their names if um if they want charts if we can cross reference data if we can figure out what's going on it's about it all right cool why don't we move on everyone's wrong

53:19Linus Sebastian:yeah yeah pretty much that's about it including us including us yeah yes but not for long if i

53:25Luke Lafreniere:have anything to say about it oh my god

53:32Luke Lafreniere:Dan's putting the paper on. Ah, yes, I'm supposed to explain the merchant messages. So once again, can't emphasize this enough. If cash is tight, Hey, wear your existing sweater for another little while. Okay. But if it's not check this out, our washed crew neck sweater just launched last week. And I got to tell you, people around the office are absolutely loving these. They're made with 100 % cotton with a breathable terry fleece interior that is perfect for the fall, and you can get them at lmg.gg slash crew neck. Also, oh, look at this. We have a deal on magnetic cable management this week.

54:14Luke Lafreniere:You can, oh wait, I was supposed to explain merch messages. Right. So the way to interact with the show, we've never been really that supportive of the idea of just throwing money at the screen. we kind of feel that you should get something in return. Why not some quality merchandise? So all you've got to do to send a merch message to interact with the show and send a little message there or get a response from producer Dan or have him curate it for me and Luke to discuss later on during After Dark is add something to your cart on LTTstore.com like the new washed crew neck sweater or the magnetic cable management deal I'm about to tell you about.

54:50Luke Lafreniere:Fill in the merch message field. Go ahead and place your order. and it should go through. We'll show you guys how it works in a second, but first I'm just going to tell you about the magnetic cable management deal we have this week. You can mix and match packs of individual components and get 10 % off if you buy two, 15 % off if you buy three, 20 % off if you buy four, and 25 % off if you buy five or more. This includes all arches, power bar keys, power brick holders, and cable tie holders. so it's the perfect time to add on to the magnetic cable management you already have or to try it out if you've never tried it before you can shop magnetic cable management at lmg.gg slash mcm and it really is whoops whoops whoops whoops whoops there we go it really is this easy we actually did a collab with uh kyle from bitwit last week and he hadn't tried out mcm and i cable managed his desk for him with it and he was like oh and i was like yeah and the best part is hey that cable that we forgot to put in easy easy easy it's definitely the best part easy fucking magnets i don't even care how they work but my god are they ever outstanding um oh yeah right so one of the things that i've been going out of my way to make sure that i show you fine folks is giving some credit to the team for the amazing job that they've been doing on our photo shoots lately absolutely love it so cool got that like vintage look to it ariana and reese i think yep that's who we're looking at here sorry i got a very very small very small picture up there very cool and really making the most of uh the side of our warehouse great job guys all right dan do you want to show the folks how a merge message works yeah sure i've got a couple for you here why don't we start with this one i only wear jeans when jeans oh my god uh how do i put this

57:00Luke Lafreniere:never jeans are so hard dude and i can't afford sydney sweeney to wear my jeans you know apparently that was like their most successful campaign like ever sure yeah you should just recreate the ad with yourself oh my god yeah if we had jeans i would totally do it i i wish we did more like memeing on on topical things like i i was i wanted to uh i wanted to talk to the writing team this week and do like uh like a bit in one of our videos where i like steal a hat or something I don't know if you saw the viral thing from the US Open but we operate on a relatively, I think South Park has a shorter time between starting to work on an episode and it airing than we do so it's hard for us to be like on it with the cultural references

57:56Linus Sebastian:It's maybe not a great thing

57:58Luke Lafreniere:Look, I'm not saying it's a good thing I'm just saying it's a thing so it's a little tough for us to do that kind of stuff. I forget how we got onto this. Right, jeans, yeah. Jeans are so personal. Everything from the rise to the cut to the washedness to the rips or not rips to patches and the trendiness. It goes so freaking fast. I think it's just not in the cards. for us i mean look we have managed to finally do pants successfully i don't think we had a successful pant until the cargo pants that's been legitimately successful not just like it did fine i guess we didn't lose money on it right that was that was the high water mark before but we now have pants that have been successful so who knows you know never say never but never It's hello cover.

59:01Luke Lafreniere:And the other one I've got for you here. Hello, the lad, the dad, and the Chad. Luke, given your based opinions on supporting AMD and switching to Linux, what are some of your favorite pieces of software? Anything that you find novel or useful? Hmm.

59:18Linus Sebastian:Uh, wow. Is this incredibly lame?

59:22Luke Lafreniere:Well, he thinks...

59:23Linus Sebastian:Oh, okay. Are you good? I don't think I necessarily have one. A lot of the software that I use is actually the same, which is one of the reasons why I think the Switch has been so easy. Like if I want to play a game on my laptop, I can just play the vast majority of Steam games and it's fine. I use Chrome for work. I use Zen, which is like a Firefox offshoot browser for personal stuff. on my laptop most of what I'm doing is communications platforms which teams is terrible on linux but it works it's terrible all the time so it's really hard to differentiate it that much um slack works perfectly fine discord works perfectly fine obviously email and a browser works perfectly fine so the things that I do on my laptop are fairly limited and they're all the same um outside of that i haven't dove in super heavily on the customization stuff which i want to do i just haven't necessarily had the time for it yet um i feel like this is such a similar take

1:00:33Luke Lafreniere:to what i went through when i did the switch to snapdragon where i i went in thinking that i was going to care and over the span of the much more than a month i ended up daily driving it I was like oh it turns out I don't care and most of what I do is in a browser these days I could

1:00:53Linus Sebastian:just as easily probably use Chrome OS but that in my opinion is honestly like a a better state like I I'm more excited about the fact that I just kind of like shrug off that I'm running it now then um I run arch by the way yeah yeah yeah but like but the fact that that is actually totally fine is crazy like it's it was not there was no skill involved i'm not some like uh uber linux nerd at all but i'm running the like scary operating system and it's been completely fine the entire time and everything i've tried to do has just like worked there's been things that have honestly been easier you know how when we did the challenge we were both like stunned at how easy the printer was yeah yeah especially considering how hard they are on windows ah Yeah, yeah.

1:01:42Linus Sebastian:Honestly, most things I've ran into this time have been easier. Or it's just been in kind of like an inverse to normal fashion. It's been less annoying. Like using Windows 11 these days is there's so many little pop-ups and pokes and annoying. Are you sure you don't want to use Edge? Hey, this new file you installed, are you sure we can't open it in Edge? do you want this weird notification thing do you want this other garbage like anytime i try to do anything it it wants to forcibly take the focus window away to some new thing that i don't want and then it just keeps doing that over and over again it's really really frustrating windows

1:02:24Luke Lafreniere:firewall randomly started blocking lan minecraft games just like out of nowhere what like it was working fine between my kids computers and then all of a sudden it's not and i'm like oh my god who cares i'm sure it was in the name of security or something but oh my god who cares i'm just trying to play a video game on a local area network and they're both set to private that's made by you that's made by you exactly exactly what's the excuse dude there's been there's been a persistent bug in halo infinite for at least a couple weeks now that's that's as long as i've seen it over where the first time you launch it on a system it prompts you to log in but the login is like behind and you can like click and it'll be like ding ding like you can tell it's there but you have to alt f4 the game and then launch the game again and then it'll show up and it's like bro this is basic if you can't handle having a login screen in your software then don't have one also by the way never log me out oh my god who cares never log me out but also if i'm if i'm

1:03:33Linus Sebastian:like a global Microsoft account logged in to my computer already, don't ask.

1:03:39Luke Lafreniere:Right.

1:03:41Linus Sebastian:Like, my God. So anyways, it's been interesting.

1:03:44Luke Lafreniere:And then when I click yes, be like, okay. Yeah.

1:03:50Linus Sebastian:I don't remember if it was after the last Linux challenge. I think it was, but I don't fully remember where I decided I would like try it on my work laptop. And then eventually I abandoned that because there was so much tedium of like keeping it running that I thought it was lowering, even if by a small amount, it was lowering my productivity at work. And I decided that I couldn't do a personal thing that resulted in the lowering of my work productivity, if that makes sense. It's one of the main reasons why I use Chrome for work is because of all the different profiles that I have, I find Chrome is by far best at managing that.

1:04:24Linus Sebastian:It's not the small individual day-to-day usage of the browser. It's purely just the profile management is like amazing and it kicks the butt of everything else and profile management doesn't matter to me too much for my personal stuff because it's one account so it sort of solves itself um but yeah i eventually ditched running linux on my work laptop because it was too tedious and honestly legitimately at this point i suspect that i might be more productive on linux because of the amount of time that it just gets out of my way i think if we redo the linux challenge it's just going to be boring it might be legitimately it might be we'll have to

1:05:02Luke Lafreniere:like we'll have to really pad it out to get you know a 12 minute runtime or nine minute runtime out of just like yeah everything kind of went okay well and like something that might be a

1:05:12Linus Sebastian:little bit different is i'm running linux on my laptop which is a lot lighter use and again it's a lot of browser stuff and whatnot but like also don't game as much as you used to like i remember

1:05:21Luke Lafreniere:that being a big challenge for you last time we did the linux challenges you were like oh this sucks because like i mean if we do it once play if we do it once battlefield 6 is out hopefully i'll be playing some more of that um yeah is it supported on steam os i don't know and like

1:05:38Linus Sebastian:silksong is here i'm excited for that there's some games coming right now that are exciting um silksong i'm pretty sure it's supported yeah but yeah um uh yeah it's it's interesting i have

1:05:50Luke Lafreniere:something to add to um to luke's you know softwares that he likes there we do have an actual series on the channel um called lsd or luke's software discoveries uh two whole episodes from 11 and 10 years ago respectively uh he shows you how to um simplify your screenshots with push i don't know if push even exists anymore so i don't know sharex i guess and also top five hidden uses for VLC Luke Software Discoveries episode 2 wow that one actually did like pretty good for that era half a million views not bad it's not too bad yeah

1:06:27Linus Sebastian:because if I remember correctly Luke Software Discoveries never went like that well either so that that considered I think that video must have done pretty well imagine

1:06:35Luke Lafreniere:being proud of having a Gildan t-shirt partnership wow anywho

1:06:44Linus Sebastian:times have changed

1:06:45Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, good job. But yeah, I don't know.

1:06:47Linus Sebastian:The final takeaway is honestly, at this point in time, I think if I move my laptop back to Windows, there would be more tedium involved with keeping it up to date, dealing with its updates, dealing with Windows getting in my way, popping things up, shoving ads in my face, doing those types of things. Then Linux's general just getting out of my way. I've also found that, like, updating Arch is this big, scary thing. And then you install it, and it's so far for me been, like, just as easier, easier than Windows Update.

1:07:19Luke Lafreniere:Oh, dude, Windows Update is so annoying. Like, you click check for updates, and it's like, no updates. And then you click it again two seconds later. It's like, here's a gigantic, like, service pack level update. It's like, bro, just why isn't this downloaded already?

1:07:34Linus Sebastian:And, you know, I've only been doing this for a few months. It's like, I'm sure I'll run into something that sucks eventually, but I also just have my data, whatever small amount of data that I have, stored on an extra partition. And if I need to reinstall Arch, I can just do that.

1:07:48Luke Lafreniere:According to Crystal, Push does still exist, and they do technically still have a page up. But now just hold on a gosh darn second here. Download Windows XP to 8, and download iPhone App Store literally doesn't connect to anything. So I don't know.

1:08:08Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I think we can move on to ShareX. Or honestly, these days, just snipping tool and pasting the image somewhere tends to work. Most chat applications could take attachments now.

1:08:20Luke Lafreniere:Okay.

1:08:21Linus Sebastian:Not a super necessary tool anymore.

1:08:25Luke Lafreniere:Want to do another topic? What do you want to talk about?

1:08:28Linus Sebastian:What do we got here?

1:08:34Linus Sebastian:What was another one of the title topics have we gone through or not title topics the show until battle mage one we could do that

1:08:39Luke Lafreniere:Oh boy, sure. You sound so excited. I mean it is it is legitimately pretty cool

1:08:44Linus Sebastian:It is the dual slot low-profile arc Pro B 50 Has an MSRP of 349 US dollars a slight increase from the 299 They mentioned at Computex earlier this year which Intel blames on a combination of memory pricing and tariff risks which uh fair enough to be completely honest sounds actually fair i don't uh the b5 the b50 features 16 xc2 cores 16 gigabytes of gddr6 memory bandwidth of 224 gigabytes per second pci 5.0 8x interface four mini display ports all at a tdp of just 70 watts allowing it to be powered entirely by the pc slot which is a feature in this case that will be cared about um yeah how much the rest of this people care about um apparently the b50 performed favorably next to the 400 nvidia rtx a1008 gig

1:09:38Luke Lafreniere:which was an ampere 2024 release but it has double the memory uh which is pretty cool that you know intel's not cheaping out on memory because that's apparently something we can't take for granted these days um especially pretty cool right now considering a lot of the applications

1:09:55Linus Sebastian:that you're going to want to use GPUs for are actually very heavily memory bound.

1:10:01Luke Lafreniere:SRIOV is also a very cool feature to support. So essentially this allows it to be split up virtualization style like a CPU and shared across multiple VMs if you don't really need high-end 3D performance. Serve the Home did some initial tests and it's apparently pretty flippin' decent. Also, it could be the cheapest way to get AV1 encoding in a small form factor case because it's dual slot, low profile. So Intel continues to do some super cool stuff on the GPU side. Just want to shout out that the B580 is a heck of a lot of gaming GPU for$260 in stock across multiple SKUs. this is two skews in stock 260 and 270 dollars on new egg um you wait whoa hold on a second get battlefield 6 and more with purchase what is that is that real before we before we dive

1:11:08Linus Sebastian:into that just want to say this before we forget john doyren from the lab just messaged me and said that the b580 can also game it's not the best but at 75 watts it's actually not bad which is really interesting.

1:11:18Luke Lafreniere:The B50. B580 is the consumer. Did I say 580? Sorry.

1:11:21Linus Sebastian:B50. He said B50. I read it wrong. That's my opinion.

1:11:24Luke Lafreniere:Hold on. Is this deal real?

1:11:27Linus Sebastian:I'm not sure what you're seeing.

1:11:29Luke Lafreniere:I'm on Newegg right now and it says it says you get Battlefield. Hold on. Hold on. Where is it? Did I imagine it? Am I crazy? This just says free 3D mark test.

1:11:43Linus Sebastian:Oh, it says additional items until GamerDays bundle. Until GamerDays.

1:11:46Luke Lafreniere:Holy crap you get battlefield 6 with an arc from august 25th to september 14th

1:11:55Linus Sebastian:that's actually what's the value of a base version battlefield 6 like what does that make the cost of the card if you were going to buy battlefield 6 redemption url until gamer days offer 70 dollars is that like 120 dollar b580 basically that's crazy that's actually nuts is How much is Battlefield 6 in USD?

1:12:18Luke Lafreniere:It's$70 US dollars, apparently.

1:12:24Luke Lafreniere:Whoa. And yet, in spite of us pointing out that you can get a heck of a lot of GPU from someone other than Team Green, NVIDIA is, I think, at all-time high market share. Did that come out this week? Yeah. Here we go. This is from Tom's Hardware. Published three days ago. NVIDIA dominates GPU shipments with 94 % share. 94 %! Guys, I get it, okay? The cool thing to do is to root for AMD and Intel to survive in the GPU space so that you can get a cheaper NVIDIA card because they have competitors. But if nobody buys these other products, even when they are legitimately good, like that B580 for flipping under$200 if you were going to buy Battlefield 6, that is a f***ing insane value right now.

1:13:28Linus Sebastian:Dude, it's close to$100 if you were going to buy Battlefield 6.

1:13:31Luke Lafreniere:Go buy a stupid 50-60. Go be a sheep. Buy a 50-60. Basically, if you're not getting the word out about there being other options, you have no one to blame but yourself when NVIDIA prices their cards like the actual monopoly that they are. 94 % is an actual monopoly. Yeah. That is nuts.

1:14:02Linus Sebastian:I really wonder like...

1:14:08Linus Sebastian:there there's laws around effective monopoly right i mean i don't think anyone's gonna protect

1:14:14Luke Lafreniere:gamers right like the thing is that a lot of the a lot of anti-monopoly laws are designed to protect people from being exploited right so when there's a monopoly on on food production that's really bad you know when when there's when there's monopolistic behavior in financial services that's really really really bad or insurance you know things that people need i don't think you're going to get a consumer watchdog coming in and going hey these entirely optional video gaming accessories these are too expensive it's not going to happen and as much as that impacts us as people who are, you know, technology enthusiasts and gamers.

1:15:06Luke Lafreniere:I don't think even the most stalwart of gamers is going to make a straight-faced argument that it's somehow as important as food or shelter or water or transportation, right? Like it's... I think it just kind of is what it is. Yeah.

1:15:27Linus Sebastian:That makes sense. It's unfortunate, but it makes sense.

1:15:32that i i i'm still a little bit stuck on that intel deal i know right is that worth a video

1:15:41Linus Sebastian:i mean like the cheapest bf6 pc and you include that bundle because it's just like so insane

1:15:48Luke Lafreniere:um i mean that's not a bad idea yeah because that that is one of probably the craziest gpu bundles i think i've ever seen literally ever not no i wouldn't say ever back like uh gtx 460 had some had some bundles where it came with like like i think metro exodus or something like that um and that was like a very affordable gpu there have been times uh back when amd and nvidia were like really at each other's throats competing legitimately actually competing uh where you'd buy a card and you'd get like three or four games with it and stuff i remember that yeah that has hasn't really been a thing for a very long time.

1:16:31Linus Sebastian:I don't remember, not to dog on the games, but I don't remember them being like massive, extremely important multiplayer titles.

1:16:42Luke Lafreniere:I mean, you know, Orange Box. Orange Box came for free with a GPU that I bought. So like, no, there's deals. How expensive was that GPU though? There's been deals. I don't know, 250, 300 bucks. Remember, back then, that was like a pretty high-end card, though. But still, there's definitely been deals. But this is probably the best one that I can remember seeing in a while, where there's an actually hotly anticipated, actually AAA-looking game that comes with a$260 GPU. That's pretty outstanding. Dan, do you want to actually send that video idea to me? Can you just throw that in my inbox real quick?

1:17:22Luke Lafreniere:And then I'll follow it up next week. I don't know that we'd be able to execute on this in time. I wasn't listening. Basically, cheapest Battlefield 6 PC. Got it. Yeah, thanks. It'd be great if we could get early access to the game so we could actually validate that it runs really good, but I don't. Do we have contacts potentially? Figure that out. I have one. Yeah, if you know someone, then that would go a long way because the last thing I would want to do is just go off the recommended specs on the box because you know it's not necessarily the best. And we would have kind of our own standards and our own thoughts on what we feel is a really playable PC.

1:18:01Luke Lafreniere:And we want to make sure that we get the CPU and especially memory. A lot of discourse on sort of how much memory is enough for gaming these days. Some people are saying 16 gigs is still enough. I was talking to Ploof today because we were shooting a video at my house with the world's biggest TV. We got Hisense's new 116 inch. Oh my God, guys, don't miss this video. This thing's incredible. Well, anyway, the point is he was saying 32 gigs isn't enough for him anymore because he's a person like you, Luke, who's late for the lobby because he has two games running. Anyway, so he'll often have multiple games running plus a bunch of Chrome tabs plus his voice comms.

1:18:39Luke Lafreniere:And he's like, yeah, I often run out of RAM and I'll get like warning messages with 32 gigs. So I kind of need to go 64. So there's a wide range of what people consider to be enough RAM for gaming. And so we'd want to make sure that we are validating that before we recommend a minimum spec that realistically is very minimum and you're not going to be happy with, right?

1:19:05Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I don't know that I can get as early access, but I know a really good person to ask, basically.

1:19:11Luke Lafreniere:Okay. All right. Well, yeah, we'll see what we can do. maybe we'll we'll chase it down next week and i i don't even know if we'd be able to execute it in time because this deal expires in like by monday it will be oh my god where's my calendar just let

1:19:25Linus Sebastian:the calendar behave like i expect it to when was the end date yeah by monday we will have i think

1:19:31Luke Lafreniere:it was the 14th or something we'll have like less than a week so i don't know if we're gonna get it done in time besides now that we've flagged this deal on wan show they might all just sell out anyway and so it might be too late i mean i can't imagine that intel has literally zero percent market share they didn't even show up on the the 90 okay it said nvidia had 94 this is from tom's hardware nvidia had 94 amd had six percent and intel literally didn't even show up so i got to imagine that new egg is not stocking that many azrok challenger arc b580s what are the 20 in stock 30 i don't know can't be that many all right what do you want to talk about next oh you know what actually i'm gonna pick something uh before we do our sponsors um we have an update to the roblox child predators story um this is uh elijah posted this in here two weeks ago we talked about how youtuber schlep known for taking down child predators on roblox had his accounts banned and received a cease and desist letter sent by Roblox.

1:20:38Luke Lafreniere:Well, things have been heating up. Chris Hansen, yes, that Chris Hansen, has thrown his hat into the ring, announcing a documentary involving Schlepp and many other journalists and investigative teams. Lawyer and YouTuber LawByMike has also thrown his hat in the ring, announcing a lawsuit against Roblox over their failure to properly protect underage children. I do not know law by Mike. I do know that some law YouTubers have been known to kind of, or not even law YouTubers, but some YouTubers have been known to kind of file performative lawsuits but not actually follow through on them. So I don't know much about him, but it is something that has happened.

1:21:21Luke Lafreniere:Conveniently, Roblox also announced they are getting an ESRB age rating system for games within Roblox. And by the end of the year, all users who want to use communications features have to have their age estimated by the platform in order to confirm they are over nine years old. Okay, Roblox, this is yet another case of taking action. But like, what? Is nine really old enough to be the minimum age to chat with randoms? What are you doing about the adults that are talking to the nine year olds? That's the concern. I don't care if a bunch of six-year-olds are talking to each other that ain't the issue buddy

1:22:03Linus Sebastian:Roblox throws me off man There's this situation there's the like incredible amount of effectively IP theft that happens on the platform that just seems to go completely unchecked like I Do something about it? um i i don't like uh i haven't actually used it enough to speak to it properly but from the outside it it seems like not a not a place that i'm happy about got a couple people

1:22:33Luke Lafreniere:in float plane chat saying law by mike is a legit lawyer i'm more so than a youtuber so okay that's good to know and then there was another one that i wanted to yeah this is this is pretty funny uh Adrain X in float plane chat says, if you're in a fight against Chris Hansen, you might not be the good guy.

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1:26:24Linus Sebastian:All right, Luke, you want to pick one? Sure. Let's see what we got here.

1:26:33Linus Sebastian:Congress may force NVIDIA to prioritize US AI GPU customers. The US Senate has added an amendment to a major defense bill that may force NVIDIA and AMD to prioritize US customers of their advanced GPUs over foreign buyers. If the amendment sticks, NVIDIA and AMD could not apply for a gpu export license so long as united states entities are waiting and unable to

1:26:57Luke Lafreniere:acquire those same chips okay so basically until meta and twitter have as many sorry xai excuse me have as many gpus as they could possibly want also microsoft nobody else can have literally any in terms of like how these companies would have to allocate their production

1:27:22Linus Sebastian:it's really apparently it also applies to china specific models like the h20

1:27:26Luke Lafreniere:it's it's very um it's very it's very interesting um how the free market has become not very free market at all very it's it's kind of remarkable how fast it happened hey it's like we're just going to take a stake in intel um we're gonna say yeah you can't ship products offshore even though they were actually most of them produced offshore yeah you can't ship those products off american shores until until america shores are full of all the gpus um in response nvidia tweeted that selling the h20 has no impact on our ability to supply other nvidia products and they compared the amendment to the biden administration's now rescinded ai diffusion rule which nvidia says was based on doomer science fiction to be clear um

1:28:27Linus Sebastian:i think there there's nvidia officially saying doomer is hilarious i think we have to admit that

1:28:34Luke Lafreniere:really quick i mean this is this is the same company that literally called their software gf experience so like that's fair nothing surprises me when it comes to nvidia they clearly have they clearly and look i realize this is the pot calling the kettle black but they clearly have never outgrown their college bro sense of humor like let's be real let's be real for sure neither

1:29:03Linus Sebastian:Neither did we, but still.

1:29:05Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I'm owning it. I'm owning it. Yeah. You know, I would admit it 69 times, and I would say nice every time. Okay? Yeah. Discussion here. We don't actually have a discussion question in the doc, but I got to say, man, this is, it's tough.

1:29:26Linus Sebastian:It's another thing that, in my opinion, seems to just be, honestly, the real effect of this is the dramatic promotion of GPU development and just general compute development and manufacturing and research that's going to be done within China. All of these things are, we might be better off for the next extremely short period of time, and we will be significantly, deeply worse off in the future. if you wanted to have you know better control of this technology being basically the only company that anyone goes to for this stuff would probably be the way to do it and that's how things were for quite a long time and you are repeatedly telling China and all of your Chinese customers that they are going to have to find a domestic solution and they're going to need to invest very significantly in a domestic solution in order to stay competitive.

1:30:24Linus Sebastian:And if you don't think they're going to do so, you're just stupid.

1:30:28Luke Lafreniere:Tell us how you really feel, Luke. Hey, in other breaking news, this was just posted in chat by David Cain. Google was just hit with a 3.45 billion EU antitrust fine over their ad tech practices. And this is in the same week that a US judge said, yeah you guys are a monopoly but also you know what forget it you're not really have to gonna do anything about it you can keep chrome and you can keep android and we're not gonna do anything to break you up because like ai seems pretty important and stuff um so google's getting some super mixed messages here but wow oh in other news hold on um trump calls the eu fine unfair and threatens retaliation.

1:31:18Luke Lafreniere:I feel like you could just kind of put that under any article. Anyway, Google plans to appeal. You could probably put that under any article about Google. And the EU warns of stronger remedies if Google fails to comply. Oh, yeah, good luck, everybody. So on the one hand, Google...

1:31:38Linus Sebastian:The next war is an economic one. Yeah.

1:31:43Luke Lafreniere:the next war is realizing that you're already in the information war and the economic war not to mention the various other more traditional but now proxy wars and all the various other types of of of wars that are that are ongoing it is moon pies what a time to be alive man yeah um oh man how'd we miss this apparently aura is suing other smart ring manufacturers yeah that doesn't really I thought they also got like a defense

1:32:24Linus Sebastian:contract or something crazy yeah did they um let me see

1:32:34Luke Lafreniere:sorry guys this is very much just like people in float plane dumping topics into the chat and us looking at them there we have done absolutely no prep on these what so ever apparently oh hey you know what we have done some prep on you want to talk about uh valve's new vr hardware right on the eve of the arrival of your new vr headset that you spent over a thousand us dollars on is that something

1:32:57Linus Sebastian:that you'd like to talk about luke not really why don't we talk about it anyway so i mean i'm still very excited about my big screen beyond but has it arrived yet uh yes but it arrived the day that i left so i never even got to see it nice i've actually been using mine a bit lately and it's

1:33:18Luke Lafreniere:it's as great as i represented to you in fact it's better because i got my fixed one back and it is very much actually fixed so i'm not having tracking issues with the wands and um i'm super stoked it looks so good and valve has a new one valve has applied for a trademark on the term steam frame and between the content of the filings and some heavy duty data mining by brad lynch aka sadly it's bradley on twitter it looks like new vr hardware might soon be officially announced by valve data mining of the latest steam vr beta has revealed that valve is appearing to be working on a rebranding of steam vr overlays to frames and brad lynch also speculates that the official name of the rumored deckard headset will be the steam frame with the major selling point being its spatial gaming capabilities lynch also noted that the roy vr controllers are no longer marked as prototypes in the steam vr drivers and that drivers are now finished for a steam link vr usb dongle using wi-fi 6e slash 6 gigahertz so what this probably looks like based on that every rumor i've seen about deckard indicates that it's going to be inside out tracking with onboard processing um what this seems to add up to is an inside out with built-in compute vr headset more akin to what we've seen from the meta quest lineup or apple vision pro lineup but if the six gigahertz dongle is anything to go by with the capability of wirelessly linking to your pc for high fidelity pc gaming what remains to be seen is what the resolution valve is going to be able to push is going to be because i'm not aware of a wireless interface that can reliably and consistently match a wired interface for displays yet and if anything even the fastest display links these days are not enough for what i was hoping would be the future of high fidelity pc vr um i have kind of out of the you know side of my eyes been sort of watching the rumors around deckard and kind of just hoping and hoping and hoping that maybe it's not um the whole story because i really wanted a second gen or i guess third gen i i wanted another generation of lighthouse um yeah for the the third party ecosystem of vr headsets that has sprung up around steam vr and steam vr 2.0 but it looks like maybe that's just gonna be dead um i don't know we'll have to see it the

1:36:19Linus Sebastian:rumors seem pretty strong but it is technically still rumor mill yeah it does seem like the

1:36:24Luke Lafreniere:evidence is really stacking up that deckard is going to be a standalone headset and that this whole ecosystem of outside in tracking is just going to be kind of stuck where it is today with What is it? It's 90 refreshes per second for the lighthouses, I think.

1:36:43Linus Sebastian:That sounds right. I don't know.

1:36:47Luke Lafreniere:I think they're 90 hertz. VR base station, blah, blah, blah. Well, the base stations themselves are not. How often do they refresh, you guys? Someone's got to know. Lighthouse tracking 2.0 with alternating brainware. 75 slash 90 hertz, 150 slash 180 with alternating eye brain warp rendering. Now, to be clear, that's not the only data input. There's also a built-in accelerometer slash gyro in the controllers themselves. And so the lighthouses are, from my understanding, in order to make sure that they don't drift off course. But still, I really hoped that large scale outside in would continue to be a thing.

1:37:33Luke Lafreniere:I do understand why it's not a thing, because who has the space for it? Who's going to go and wire 12 volt power into their ceiling so that they can have a stealthy install of a bunch of, you know, base stations? Who's going to, you know, get four of them so that they never have any occlusion, even when they have an extremely large play area? Basically me and only me. And so fine, I get it. but hopefully hopefully Valve has taken their I mean they've clearly taken their time and hopefully they've cooked up something absolutely fire and I'm going to absolutely love the frame or Deckard or whatever they ultimately end up calling it either way Luke I don't think you're going to be disappointed with your big screen beyond because I'm excited if there is any onboard compute in Deckard then there's absolutely no way that it's going to be light period period i mean apple for all their billions of dollars of r &d uh not to be clear not all of which went into the vision pro but you know some of it did um couldn't figure out how to make an on-device compute uh vr headset you know not freaking heavy so i don't think valve is gonna crack that nut just right now yeah i'm also just like i don't know you you can't always

1:38:49Linus Sebastian:time everything perfectly and even if i could i feel like i still would have gone with the big

1:38:54Luke Lafreniere:screen beyond um yeah it's very reddable that i'm i'm happy to support and honestly i'm just really excited to get it so i don't know gikkuns uh says what's the current state of using vr for productivity i gotta say i never got into it i i tried it when i did my apple vision pro review and there were things about it that were compelling. But wearing something on my face for such an extended period of time for the workday, especially working in office where I frequently interact with other fellow humans, it's just not feasible. It's not viable for me.

1:39:30Linus Sebastian:I still know people, not even just person, I still know people that use it for what was kind of probably the most logical use case, I think, for the Apple Vision Pro, which was like work while traveling. And they still seem to find a lot of success from it, which is cool.

1:39:53Luke Lafreniere:And yet I have I'm basically back to traveling now. I've been traveling a fair bit and I've seen exactly zero Vision Pros on the road. so that's clearly a niche use case i mean compared to when it first came out i mean i would love to see the numbers for this what percentage because apple has a no questions asked is it 14 day or 30 day can't remember but apple has a no questions asked return policy which for electronics these days by the way yeah like what percentage of vision pros that were purchased have been returned because they were flipping everywhere for two weeks. And then radio silence.

1:40:39Luke Lafreniere:Gone. Wiped off the face of the earth.

1:40:41Linus Sebastian:You know how practically every single poll is corrupted in some way? Yeah. It would be cool to have an actual real poll of like, hey, did you buy one? And if you bought it, do you still use it in any capacity at all?

1:40:57Luke Lafreniere:Apple vision dust collector yeah

1:41:01Linus Sebastian:big time

1:41:04Luke Lafreniere:alright do we have any other headline topics oh crap I screwed it up again Sammy's gonna kill me I haven't done the float plane announcement I was supposed to do it before sponsors freaking okay look Sammy if you want it right before the sponsors then why don't you put it right before the sponsors. It's separated by like six topics. That's on me. They keep overwriting it and have to add it back in manually. I'll put it down there in future. After intense competition and almost getting scammed multiple times, the finale of Scrapyard Wars 10 is ready to be released for early access on float plane alongside the extras today.

1:41:47Luke Lafreniere:I have a thing here that says link Hoffman to provide to Dan during show. uh do do do we have it yet is it no don't do the flow plane announcement just yet oh uh okay we will let you know later when it goes live later today all right why don't we give a little more information on the thing that i was talking about earlier where google dodged the harsh antitrust ruling the same judge who last august ruled that google broke u.s competition laws has effectively decided not to do very much about it judge amit metas called that meta called google an overbearing illegal monopoly back then but now says that the emergence of generative ai has changed the landscape the ruling states that google must share access to user-side data so things like search index and user interaction data with qualified competitors but does not have to share advertising data.

1:42:45Luke Lafreniere:Google doesn't have to divest of Chrome or Android. Google can continue to pay Apple and Mozilla to place Google Search in Safari and Firefox respectively.

1:42:53Linus Sebastian:Oh, really?

1:42:54Luke Lafreniere:Earlier this year, Mozilla's CEO warned that cutting Google's search subsidy could ultimately put Firefox out of business. This ruling also requires Google to stop entering into exclusive deals that make Google the default search on mobile devices and to submit to six years of regulatory oversight. the DOJ is expected to appeal this ruling so basically what we've learned is that once again in America you can do basically whatever it takes to get on top and the only thing that you will ever have to do as penance for that is say you're sorry maybe have a little bit of oversight and maybe pay a token fine good job

1:43:39Linus Sebastian:you can always become too big to fail that is that is always an option yep yep do whatever it takes

1:43:45Luke Lafreniere:to become so big that it would cause the failure of other things if you were punished for your ill-gotten gains yeah nippless cage says that's it i'm calling shenanigans shenanigans shenanigans hey um you wanted to talk about how silksong crashed all the stores

1:44:05Linus Sebastian:even steam so this did it actually crash steam i think it was just slow okay uh i'm even surprised at that to be honest people couldn't check out juggernaut

1:44:16Luke Lafreniere:yeah wow like like the payment system failed dude it's the highly anticipated sequel to hollow

1:44:22Linus Sebastian:night silksong is already setting records in spite of causing major hiccups for virtually all of its launch platforms silksong has already recorded more than a hundred thousand concurrent players on steam in spite of heavy traffic crashing the game steam page for several hours wow that's nuts the first hollow knight's peak concurrent player count was the first hollow is 72 916 ign reported also running into trouble when trying to buy the game on the nintendo e store playstation store and xbox silksong is also a day one game pass title but game pass subscribers reported trouble downloading the title on the xbox app and consoles wow um that's actually kind of nuts um yeah no i i i saw this in the doc and i while it's interesting that it took all those stores down i also just think it's cool that there's a game that people are really excited about coming out because that doesn't happen that often lately and with battlefield 6 sounding very positive so far in its pre-release work um and silksong coming out i wonder what is what is like the the steam ratings for silksong right now overwhelmingly positive it's pretty

1:45:39Luke Lafreniere:good yeah i'm not too surprised but they definitely took their time i'm i'm i'm shocked that given it was the most wishlisted game on the platform if i recall correctly on steam that they only, they went with 20 bucks for their, for their price. Cause you can always discount it to 20 bucks later, but it seems like they've just gone the, Hey, yeah, it's 20 bucks. Um, you know, we might discount it at some point, but we're just going to go the, the like rate gamers are going to pay. And, um, here you go. Gotta, you gotta respect it. You gotta respect it. I can't say that I would have had the discipline to do the same thing.

1:46:19Luke Lafreniere:Luke if you had the most Wish listed game on Steam Would you go 20 bucks

1:46:28Linus Sebastian:Um honestly I think it depends A lot on the team that I have And if I'm The team making Silksong I think so Yeah as far as my understanding goes They're pretty small they're already like Incredibly ballin from the original Hollow Knight Um I think you know that this price tag is probably not going to piss people off too much.

1:46:50Luke Lafreniere:I don't even think$24.99 or$29.99 would have made people too upset. No. $20 is, dude,$20. That's like two coffees these days.

1:47:04Linus Sebastian:Seriously, though. What's kind of interesting to me is that you said it's overwhelmingly positive on your end? Yeah. It's just very positive on mine.

1:47:15Luke Lafreniere:Really? I mean, I looked earlier, so i haven't looked in a couple of hours interesting oh yeah i see very positive now too

1:47:26Linus Sebastian:interesting i'm wondering if this has crashed into uh like like it was so hyped that even if it's absolutely fantastic i wonder if people's expectations were just unfathomably high it's rare that I've seen this much hype for a game like ever to be honest I mean if it's crashing every single store that it's on you can imagine the amount of different people that are jumping in and if it has a higher concurrent player

1:47:57Luke Lafreniere:count than the original ever had already and it's so hyped you might be getting people who just frankly aren't that into Metroidvanias playing this game and going I don't get it which I have to admit I tried twice to get into Hollow Knight. Twice I tried, twice I failed. I think I have like three or four hours in it and I just kind of got bored and didn't keep playing.

1:48:24Linus Sebastian:Yeah, Metroidvanias aren't my kind of game. I never really got into Hollow Knight either. And I haven't been like overhyped about Silksong. I might check it out. It seems like it's pretty well positioned price-wise, so it's pretty likely that I'll check it out. at some point but like yeah i don't know it's crazy that it's been out for as little time as it has been and it has 24 000 reviews already like my god um so honestly i think this is very likely realistically more on the overwhelmingly positive side of things but it's just being reviewed like you said by a ton of people that probably aren't actually super into the game just heard the hype bought in and then maybe don't like the the genre necessarily more than the game itself there's there's that quote from the hell divers developers that i've just always really really liked um which is a game made for everyone is a game made for no one yeah and when you hit this level of popularity some of the negative reviews might be just because it was a game that wasn't made for

1:49:31Luke Lafreniere:you okay this is cool check this out what's up you can you can actually see um the rating in every language because of that new filtering feature so english is now very positive i believe was overwhelmingly positive earlier today we talked about that on the man ran show yep um um chinese not that into it fixed 11 000 reviews so that is the second biggest language market for

1:50:05Linus Sebastian:this game and they're like oh my god so the 24 000 reviews is only in english there's so many

1:50:10Luke Lafreniere:more than that yeah 60 000 that's crazy um the latin world flipping loves it loves it is part of that that uh a lot of these a lot of these uh i know that brazil in particular is heavily tariffed and computers tend to not be as high performance for the average gamer is part of that just having a brand new game that is super super hype that runs great on your machine like do you think there's just a little bit of excitement about that potentially that might be part of it might be part of it i'm just i'm just like i'm just guessing you know why do the turks love it um the poles they love it they the poles they they love silsong they just love it the koreans yeah they're kind of positive along with the the french and the germans the italians are very positive ukrainians yep yeah we're we're pretty positive on this too apparently the very

1:51:11Linus Sebastian:interesting i lost the comment but apparently the chinese language translation was like super botched on launch. I don't know if that, you know, means they won't ever fix it, but

1:51:28Linus Sebastian:yeah, I can't find the comment, but apparently that was the thing. Apparently it's very cheap in Mexico, so they probably did some very focused localized pricing.

1:51:43Luke Lafreniere:I wanted to go check out what the breakdown was for tape to tape but it turns out that they do not have enough reviews to trigger a language specific review score there's all languages and your languages and uh yeah wait they're different though i know i'm not quite sure what that means that's kind of weird yeah interesting Anywho

1:52:16Luke Lafreniere:Moving on It took 15 years But Instagram is finally available For iPad And this This was the best they could do Holy actual F*** That's all I have to say

1:52:40Luke Lafreniere:I can't. No, I can say more. Look at all this bled. You're a photos app. Supposedly. What is all of this bled space? What the heck? What are you even doing? Just don't even bother then. Why'd they do it in landscape as well? Well, because it's an iPad. You got to be able to landscape. But like, oh my God. This is the best you could do

1:53:14Linus Sebastian:This is very odd I don't really understand

1:53:19Luke Lafreniere:Parallelogram says what's wrong with blank space It made Taylor Swift millions Thank you Floatplane Chat I love that you guys Are there for me To make me feel better about my jokes

1:53:33Linus Sebastian:Is that a song?

1:53:34Luke Lafreniere:No, oh blank space, yes

1:53:36Linus Sebastian:Okay

1:53:38Luke Lafreniere:Okay, this is something Robot vacuums level up Literally Yuffie has created a robot vacuum That goes up the stairs Sort of

1:53:49Linus Sebastian:That's definitely the brand I would want that from

1:53:53Luke Lafreniere:Here we go

1:53:54Linus Sebastian:That's a joke

1:53:55Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I know, right?

1:54:00Linus Sebastian:Yuffie shows off the new Mars Walker is a shell that allows compatible robot vacuums to dock themselves and get carried up flights of stairs. What? The only vacuum right now that will be compatible is the Omni S2, scheduled to launch in January 2026 for$1 ,600 US dollars. The Mars Walker attachment has no price yet, but is an add-on. It also doesn't clean the stairs, it just goes up them.

1:54:28Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. I mean, I... Sure. That's another one that I really just don't think I have that much to say about. Wait, hold on. The look on your face kind of says it all, doesn't it?

1:54:47Linus Sebastian:No, I'm just a little bit confused by the writing. Because it says the only vacuum compatible is the Omni S2, scheduled to launch in January 2026 for$1 ,600. And then it says for this price point, is it even worth buying a robot vacuum at this point? Or is it better to hire weekly cleaners? Okay. Are there cheaper vacuums? I think there is. Oh, yeah.

1:55:04Luke Lafreniere:There's way cheaper vacuums. But that's the only one that's going to be compatible with the Marswalker.

1:55:09Linus Sebastian:Yeah, but you might. But you could just buy two of them. You could just buy one for your upper floor. That's what I was going to say. You might literally be better off just. Oh, 100%. Yeah, so some Roborock thing is like between$300 and$1 ,000. So you would literally just be better off. Yeah.

1:55:24Luke Lafreniere:Pankratz is in the chat. he's like my first car was significantly cheaper than that robot vacuum yeah yeah and and the mars walker is an accessory so presumably that accessory is not free on top of the 1600 i mean i gotta imagine that with how okay i'll say this with how much money robot vacuum manufacturers seem to have to throw around for sponsorships clearly people are buying them

1:55:50Linus Sebastian:like they're also just all over every trade show ever like there's there's yeah there's something

1:55:57Luke Lafreniere:to be said about what the heck is going on there dude i can't believe i can't believe how many

1:56:01Linus Sebastian:pool robot companies there are right yeah we saw another one at ifa that was actually that was nuts i made a joke about how we should do like a top five pool robots short um as a joke there wasn't enough of them but there there are definitely some there's and again same thing

1:56:20Luke Lafreniere:they seem to have ample budgets for sponsorships so presumably people are buying these things

1:56:50Luke Lafreniere:Dolby has jumped on the AI bandwagon. Dolby has announced some of the new features coming in Dolby Vision 2, the successor to its popular Dolby Vision HDR format. The original Dolby Vision was meant to give creators the ability to fine-tune how TVs present content in HDR, and it really was noticeably better than HDR10, which was its primary competitor at the time. Dolby Vision allows you to include metadata that tells your device, scene by scene, how to fine-tune the image that it is outputting. HDR10 did not. You were stuck sort of within a fixed band. The new format seems to be trying to strike a balance between artistic intent and solving common viewer complaints.

1:57:40Luke Lafreniere:So content intelligence apparently adds new AI capabilities to make the image crystal clear by improving clarity in any viewing environment without compromising intent, fixing things like content appearing too dark in less optimal environments. Okay. And then authentic motion is supposed to be the world's first creative driven motion control tool to make scenes feel more authentically cinematic, but without unwanted judder on a shot by shot basis okay in this case dolby claims to have fixed the soap opera effect that is commonly caused by motion smoothing by allowing filmmakers scene by scene control over how the feature is leveraged interesting there are definitely cases where judder or even 20 just 24 fps just low frame rate has been very distracting to me in films that otherwise are just beautiful and amazing and perfect in every way like uh it's like some of the mountain shots in lord of the rings for instance yes where it's just like here's some mountain peaks and they're like across the screen it's like yo that's just distracting um i think that honestly the lord of the rings mountain scenes is like the most classic example of that problem i don't mind the authentic motion part if it's giving the filmmaker the tool because i i trust the filmmaker with this tool i don't trust tv manufacturers and i don't trust ai and that's where content intelligence is sort of bugging me

1:59:23Linus Sebastian:like i get that everyone is it actually ai though like okay is it is it uh like what what one of the problems we have with ai is like what kind yeah what are we talking about yeah what are we talking about here certain types of machine learning it might be completely fine um and they

1:59:40Luke Lafreniere:might just be putting it in the if this is just an auto calibration tool right where it's just using an onboard uh where a light sensor and is just kind of like fine-tuning the gamma curve or whatever then i mean sure but then like are you just calling it ai because everything has to be ai now or are you actually like actually are you generative anything because i don't want that

2:00:03Linus Sebastian:I'm at IFA right now, which is like, I don't know, it's not quite, but some people brand it as like Europe's CES. And man, the AI branding is everywhere and genuinely often has nothing to do with anything. I think we've seen at least a couple times where the AI branding is for features that like are definitely not AI based. Like I would actually bet money that they're not. And in other cases, it's like, okay, this is a very old, like, you know, machine learning type of approach that they've rebranded as, you know, smart AI or whatever. There's also examples where, I mean, this is classic, but you don't even want it.

2:00:54Luke Lafreniere:Oh, well, yeah, sure.

2:00:56Linus Sebastian:Like it's just worse. like the even if it seems to have a lot of uh appliances which is not super normal for me at trade shows at least um like there's an entire hall of like washing machines and oh are they ai though stuff they're they're like all ai based and in a lot of ways it's like just stupid and i don't want it um and i was ranting about how like i want the dumbest fridge you can give me like i don't i don't want my fridge to like tell me what groceries are missing because you just you just know that's

2:01:27Luke Lafreniere:for sure data harvesting and even if it wasn't even if it wasn't data harvesting how could it possibly know how much sour cream is in the tub it doesn't know i mean that's a good argument right there it can't know anything useful maybe it like watches how many times you take it out and like Like a tool.

2:01:47Linus Sebastian:Maybe it has weight sensors in the shelves. I don't know.

2:01:49Luke Lafreniere:Dude, a tool that gives me 30 % of the information that I need is not a useful tool. Like I wouldn't mind having a live camera feed in my fridge that I can like log into like a security camera. I could see that being useful. If I just want to know like, oh crap, did I get a second jug of milk last time I was shopping? because if I didn't, then I should get like, because we generally keep two jugs of milk in our house. We have one that's in like the front so that the kids can like get it. And then we'll usually have the backup one because that one will run out at some point. And so it's like, do we have a backup jug of milk right now?

2:02:26Luke Lafreniere:Like that, yeah, sure. Yeah, fine, useful. But like trying to like generate a shopping list for me, dude, we are decades away from that being useful at all, being functional enough that it could actually do anything.

2:02:42Linus Sebastian:I wonder what your input on this is so we found a fridge. I don't know. I genuinely don't remember who made it I think it might have been Samsung, but oh hold on hold that thought hold that thought people are upset people are upset

2:02:53Luke Lafreniere:Fanboy NZ says not bags of milk Timbit says jugs Question mark question mark question brother. I've been getting my milk from jugs since I was first born

2:03:07Luke Lafreniere:Took him a sec

2:03:09Linus Sebastian:some of that was latency some of that was i think i got that pretty quick that was uh

2:03:14Luke Lafreniere:it's it's jugs on the west coast milk in a bag is this weird like eastern canada thing i i did i i went over there once and i stayed with a family for an exchange and i was like this just seems like a jug of milk with extra steps like are we seriously all on board with this uh anyway sorry sorry carry on so i i think it was samsung but i didn't i generally don't

2:03:36Linus Sebastian:remember who and if it's not samsung my bad um but somebody here has a fridge that you can speak to um and the the only command that i noticed that it had was and i was trying to i was trying to jailbreak some of the ai systems while we were here um there's there's like an ac that you can talk to and ask it to like lower and and and up the temperature in the room and i was trying to get it to output like muffin recipes and stuff but i have so far failed i have not given up um Um, but there's, yeah, there's a fridge that you can, you can ask it to open.

2:04:08Luke Lafreniere:Okay.

2:04:10Linus Sebastian:Verbally. And it will open the doors for you.

2:04:12Luke Lafreniere:Okay. Is that actually faster than opening it? I mean, if you're going to get anything out of it.

2:04:17Linus Sebastian:It's actually like kind of slow.

2:04:17Luke Lafreniere:If you're going to get anything out of it, you have to be standing there anyway.

2:04:21Linus Sebastian:Yep. The, the thing that I thought was interesting is like, I could maybe imagine a situation where I want to voice command the door to close.

2:04:31Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

2:04:32Linus Sebastian:But I can't really imagine a situation where I want to voice command the door to open. So I tried to, it only advertised saying open, but I tried to, while I was standing there, voice command it to close. And it just didn't.

2:04:48Luke Lafreniere:Okay.

2:04:48Linus Sebastian:So there was a booth attendant there, and I was like, hey, so is there a plan to support closing in the future? Yeah. And he's like, oh, no. For sure, no. I was like, why? He's like, oh, child safety. but it's a fridge and my couldn't they just push it open like it doesn't lock okay so so bashing the kid with the door as it swings open is not a child safety issue but hitting them with the door as it closes is a child safety issue and he just straight up was like yeah

2:05:22Luke Lafreniere:i don't know dude this is this is like kind of how i imagine the conversations went at like porsche headquarters like i i only figured out fairly recently that it's their choice that i can't type on my keyboard while my car is not in park um or it's not not in park only while it's completely not in motion so like my passenger is not allowed to key in a destination for me yeah unless i am stopped and voice control is utterly useless for navigation it just doesn't work unless you happen to live in magical fairyland where all of your streets happen to have names that are easily understood by a machine um and it's like it's their decision and the amount of extra distraction that is caused by issuing a voice command multiple times or like having to verify that it is actually sending you to the wrong place instead of absolute no man's land Narnia somewhere is so much more than if I could press three characters and click the first autocomplete like you can in a Tesla, like you can in other Volkswagen group vehicles.

2:06:31Luke Lafreniere:Like I just, like the kind of absolute broken moon logic that you encounter with product designers sometimes is just so frustrating to me. And it's one of those things where it's like, I totally get it. Some people might actually disagree with me on this point, and that's totally fine. But that is not the manufacturer's job. The manufacturer's job is to get the f*** out of my way and let me use the product that I paid a considerable sum of money for. That's the manufacturer's job.

2:07:00Linus Sebastian:Yeah, payment processors. The other thing I would say, too, is like, it's kind of funky to me because they have supported features in the car based on weight in the passenger seat. for a super long time because there's the whole airbag thing, right? So they could just allow you to type on the screen if there's a passenger in the seat.

2:07:23Luke Lafreniere:Yep.

2:07:24Linus Sebastian:That would like actually be very easy for them to do. Or better yet, they could just piss off

2:07:29Luke Lafreniere:and while I'm like, you know, pulling out of my driveway, I could go doot, doot, doot, doot, doot instead of having to go, oh, I had lots of, slam the brakes and type and then go.

2:07:44Linus Sebastian:or I'm assuming you might be able to circumvent it by just being on your phone while you're

2:07:48Luke Lafreniere:driving which is yes you can ideal you a hundred percent can don't ask me how I know you that

2:07:55Linus Sebastian:I guarantee you that people do that uh and now even more so guarantee that people do that um yeah that's not better just just worse so much worse just get out of my way and let me type a

2:08:06Luke Lafreniere:few characters also i'm not trying to like dog on porsche right now they're having all kinds of trouble um but they were like so proud um so yvonne got a makhan ev earlier and they were like so proud at both of the dealerships we went to to to look at various uh used ones because we were trying to get a deal um of like how much more responsive the interface is i'm like bro yes it's better than what's in my take hand but like it's still worse than a tesla from like five years ago what are you guys even doing like come on man they're like oh it's so responsive now you're gonna love it i'm like dude i have a smartphone don't you have a smartphone so you know what a touchscreen's supposed to feel like right this ain't it oh yeah what trouble financial trouble um basically the entire world is moving on to chinese evs and accept the places where they are tariffed out of competitiveness and even that is just a matter of time like i would be i would be surprised if one of canada's responses to the u.s tariff trade war situation wouldn't be to say oh so you want to completely f**k up the integrated north american automotive supply chain okay f**k you too we're gonna just remove our tariffs on chinese evs um see you later that would be super destructive to us too but it's a super destruction that's already happening so

2:09:48Linus Sebastian:all right yeah we're already getting wrecked in that way so i don't know how much it would

2:09:52Luke Lafreniere:necessarily change to be honest this is one of the this is one of those things where it's like forethought doesn't seem to be a super strong suit of...

2:10:00Linus Sebastian:This is just like the NVIDIA GPU thing. It's very short-sighted.

2:10:04Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Regness says, I support that idea. I think we've got two of our premieres already that have gone on record publicly saying we should just drop the tariffs then on Chinese EVs because I think we have the same tariffs as the US, 100 % tariffs on Chinese EVs. Yeah. Yeah, good luck, everybody. What else we got for this week? The Lenovo Legion Go 2, electric boogaloo. Lenovo has revealed its next handheld gaming device, the Legion Go 2. The same 8.8-inch size, but it is now OLED with lower resolution, 1920x1200 instead of 2560x1600 and 100. Oh, that's fine, honestly. At that size, 1920x1200 is lots.

2:10:52Luke Lafreniere:It also apparently has a 144Hz refresh rate with support for variable refresh rate. That's sick. A VRR OLED. Is that a first in a handheld? Does anyone have VRR OLED yet? I don't know. Guys, hit me up if there's a VRR OLED, because there's Switch OLED, but it doesn't support VRR. There's Steam Deck OLED. My understanding is it does not support VRR. my understanding is that that was part of the reason that asus has given for not doing handheld handheld guys handheld well people are saying phones are handheld which is okay i'm talking about not a category naming is hard okay come on

2:11:41Luke Lafreniere:um yeah i i don't think i don't think so

2:11:46Linus Sebastian:none that i'm aware of maddie ch said how about security with those evs it's a it's a complicated question because i understand what you're saying but then at the same time we have like tesla very obviously abusing the cameras on their cars so it's like who do you want taking your driving

2:12:05Luke Lafreniere:data and your cameras yeah they're getting super punished for it though for sure that's like

2:12:10Linus Sebastian:definitely happening so okay so it's like you're you're you're definitely this is why i really like my dumb car um and i hope to keep dumb cars because like you don't need that you can go away but then yeah but then that means you're going gas pretty much yeah the thing is if you want to

2:12:30Luke Lafreniere:be credibly seen as the good guy instead of the other guy you have to behave like one so yeah yeah good job everybody anyway back to the legion go 2 it uses amd's ryzen z2 and z2 extreme apus with radeon 890m graphics 32 gigs of lp ddr5x 8002 terabytes of storage a whopping 74 watt hour battery and will continue to have removable controllers similar to nintendo switch with two usb 4 ports so you can simultaneously charge and hook up to like an e gpu or something as well as a micro SD card slot. It is expected to launch around the same time as the Xbox X ROG Ally X, whatever that thing is called, in October.

2:13:20Luke Lafreniere:The one with the base Z2 chip will launch for$1 ,100 US dollars, with the Xtreme chip launching for$1 ,349.

2:13:37Luke Lafreniere:that's a lot to put that in perspective the z2 chip looks like it is going to suck sweaty donkey balls so for you to get like the new faster one the z2 extreme you will be spending like actual desktop like with a monitor and some nice peripherals money uh okay our discussion question from mr elijah horner is the handheld market is booming with so many companies now making second or third or fourth revisions i mean how many how many into it is ianio or gpd at this point why is the steam deck 2 taking so long well elijah young man that you are this is the thing about valve yeah lack of experience is i think the answer on this one um let me familiarize you with valve time

2:14:36valve time

2:14:38Luke Lafreniere:October of 1997 actual time September of 1998 valve time four days actual time two months and six days valve time shortly actual time six months valve time 20 minutes. Actual time. 40 minutes.

2:15:08Luke Lafreniere:Valve time. Soon. Real time. Cancelled after 10 years. Just be happy if you ever get a Steam Deck 2.

2:15:25Linus Sebastian:And I kind of suspect we will at this point. but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it's going to be three more years.

2:15:32Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I do.

2:15:33Linus Sebastian:I mean, we've been waiting for SteamOS

2:15:37Luke Lafreniere:to just have an installer for just like any computer, literally since before they even launched the Steam Deck. This is just the Valve way. And you know what? When they execute on it, it'll probably be great. And they'll get to it when they get to it, damn it. And you'll like it. Yep. Okay. Oh, we got another one for this week. Oh, this is fun. OpenAI has confirmed it reads your chats. Last week, we discussed a recent OpenAI blog post that announced ChatGPT's new parental controls feature. Futurism noted that the post seemed to subtly admit that ChatGPT scans your conversations and may refer them to law enforcement.

2:16:22Luke Lafreniere:Okay. Okay.

2:16:27Luke Lafreniere:Some of the response online has argued that directing police to individuals in mental crisis could in some cases do more harm than good. This past June, OpenAI claimed a court order to retain data for a New York Times lawsuit went against the privacy commitments it had made with users. And yet this seems to conflict with their tacit admission that they scan your conversations and may refer them to law enforcement. So OpenAI has some splaining to do, and most mainstream users are going to completely ignore this and continue to pour absolutely everything about themselves into ChatGPT. Once again, good luck, everybody.

2:17:08Luke Lafreniere:Hey, are we ever going to get an all-good-news-wan show, Luke? Is it ever going to happen?

2:17:14Linus Sebastian:I don't think so. I think we might actually be able to really, really force one if we want to. and it might be worth doing. But I'm going to yet again, I can't share my screen, but I can't recommend this video enough. I've recommended it before. Linus knows what I'm going to say. But there's a Wendell video that's getting a little bit older at this point. Aren't we all?

2:17:40Linus Sebastian:Sad. It's about a month old. It's called AI and You Against the Machine Guide so you can own big AI. go watch that it's awesome you can run these models locally and then opening eye can't read your stuff this is the way so I know it's expensive now might not be the time but I think you should be informed and know what's going on even if that just makes it so that if you're in conversation with someone who could that they might be able to get that happening whether that's a boss at your work or I don't know maybe someone at your school um could be could be interesting to be informed of that conversation and potentially be able to drive um some change so check it out hey dan how close are we to the finale

2:18:32Luke Lafreniere:uh have you gotten an update let's check project comms nice what do we have mark is watching it now that was two minutes ago so i think it's in final qc i think it's in the middle of being processed let me check on the internet dude luke have you have you seen any drafts of of part four

2:18:57Linus Sebastian:the finale no nope i watched nobody's shared me early drafts on on any of them i've just been watching them on flow plane as they come out it's an absolute which is fine banger do not post

2:19:08Luke Lafreniere:Scrapyard Wars X.

2:19:10Linus Sebastian:Is the clarification of the thing included?

2:19:16Luke Lafreniere:I don't think we will be able to discuss that without... Oh! Oh! Of... Yes. Yes. Okay, cool. Yeah.

2:19:28Linus Sebastian:That's it.

2:19:29Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Good enough. I think they actually did a pretty good job of laying out the various things and various outcomes and all the kinds of things that were thinged. I don't want any spoilers, but apparently Sammy wants us, without spoiling the results, talk about how we felt about this year's Scrapyard Wars, Luke to Answer. I'm just reading the notes from the floatplane announcement.

2:19:58Linus Sebastian:Luke to Answer, me specifically?

2:19:59Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I don't know what he's getting at, though, so it's hard for me to kind of guide you towards the right things that you're supposed to talk about here.

2:20:06Linus Sebastian:Yeah, that's tough. I don't really know what to say here just because I don't want to ruin anything

2:20:12Luke Lafreniere:yeah maybe you don't have to say anything then if you just feel like you know anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of spoilers then just don't do it

2:20:23Linus Sebastian:I mean okay I guess I can talk about the episodes that are I can kind of talk about the episodes that are already out I talked before anybody saw any episode about how like insane that week was for me and I don't think this is like my best Scrapyard War showing as an individual. People on my team did well and I think that was cool. I think my contributions were less than I would have hoped that they were going to be. Even watching it back, I've had some people comment and be like, oh, you did great and then I go watch it and I'm like, no. there's definitely things that i could have and should have done better um i did notice i did notice some cheating um from you guys in the last episode excuse me we didn't cheat on anything what are you talking about i noticed some cheating i noticed go ahead tell me what there was there was a particular rule that you had to go out in pairs yeah um and you could you could ask her for

2:21:26Luke Lafreniere:an exception.

2:21:28Linus Sebastian:Okay. Yeah. So we did. What is even the point? I mean, we got exceptions too, but what is even the point of rules? What are you talking about?

2:21:37Luke Lafreniere:What are you even talking about?

2:21:38Linus Sebastian:We got exceptions too. If you got an exception, then it is what it is. It's all good.

2:21:44Luke Lafreniere:Dude, we followed the rules. I didn't want any false accusations like with Scrapyard Wars 9.

2:21:50Linus Sebastian:That was not a false accusation. That was not a false accusation. That was BS.

2:21:53Luke Lafreniere:100 % false.

2:21:54Linus Sebastian:That was BS. Yes, you absolutely cheated. We followed.

2:21:57Luke Lafreniere:I didn't. Garbage. We followed the rules to a T. We followed the rules. Respected them even. Respected them.

2:22:09Linus Sebastian:Because we had a person on our team who was. Yeah, our driving situation was interesting. I'll say that much.

2:22:21Luke Lafreniere:I mean, yeah. You know what? look i uh i all hey

2:22:31i uh i like cars i like cars i like turtles you know

2:22:39Luke Lafreniere:yeah yeah we might just have to save our conversation for after you guys

2:22:43Linus Sebastian:uh we'll hold it we'll stop there we'll hold it yeah um

2:22:50Luke Lafreniere:yeah i uh you know what i'm gonna have to do the float plane announcement now and then we'll we'll just have to post it shortly after when show ends then okay dan hey i'm not the the people who will be crying um they're not here anyway okay so early access for scrapyard wars 10 part 4 will go up tonight um as soon as we are able to and as an added bonus on September 9th, David is going to be doing director's commentary live with some of the participants and with our lead editor for each episode exclusively on Floatplane. If you want to know a little bit more about two-time participant Sammy, her Meet the Team video just went up talking about her work at Labs and Creator Warehouse.

2:23:36Luke Lafreniere:So you can go check that out on Floatplane. We also have lots of extras, including one that I'm glad went up because there was some discussion on the subreddit that Linus is the kind of guy who just shows up on set and kind of like a home makeover show, holds a paintbrush for two seconds and then goes away and sits in his trailer or whatever. Fortunately, in the extras for part three, that accusation was put to rest because I can clearly be seen... Oh, sorry. I can clearly be seen painting the entire room from start to finish working on it the entire time because no i actually do do work here you

2:24:20Linus Sebastian:but not even in the extras in just the normal footage there was enough to show that you were doing all of that in my opinion that's a crazy accusation i don't know man it's just yeah i didn't that's nuts like i i watched both because i think the extras have been fantastic but yeah just like what are you even talking about there's so much footage of you painting my takeaway was like oh interesting he spent that entire day painting just watching like the normal

2:24:46Luke Lafreniere:episode yep that was basically all i did for an entire day which makes sense and added a lot to

2:24:52Linus Sebastian:the room i think that was a good move but like that my immediate takeaway was yeah he just painted

2:24:57Luke Lafreniere:for a long time yeah anyway uh if you want to know that if you want to be the first to know and have insider knowledge on this year's scrapyard wars join floatplane at lmg.gg slash And the final episode of this series will come out soon on YouTube as well. All right, Dan, time for some merch messages? Sure, we're already there. That sounds great. Let's see. I push this button. I'm going to get my phone. Hamnetics says, C-suite prerogative. I'll damn well spend the day painting if I want to. look i just i think luke and i are both the kind of person who no matter how meaningless the competition is we will do whatever it takes no matter how small the prize is we will move heaven and earth to win for glory like it's uh i don't know it was like i wouldn't think of myself as like a mean loser or like a sore winner necessarily like i'll do i i loved i love me some trash talk um but i'd like to think it's you know it's always in it's always in good fun but i just i love i love the spirit of competition um and yeah luke's like exactly the same way so you know if it involved just doing some kind of horrible task have no doubt that either of us would do it to win a worthless trophy yeah yeah pretty much yeah dad too do anything for the for the l um it like almost

2:26:36Linus Sebastian:it almost honestly yeah i don't know it's probably almost parabolic where like if it is if it is the

2:26:44Luke Lafreniere:most meaningless thing oh yeah same same same same same if it's like oh you can win like uh

2:26:51Linus Sebastian:you know, a$10 or a$15 flash drive, I feel like I would try less than if it was like a plastic fake 3D printed trophy.

2:27:00Luke Lafreniere:I think I would probably, you know, kill live on camera if the prize was just a firm handshake from Linus. Amaria says... $1 ,000 and like your own private island. Eh, that sounds like effort. Amaria says the competition, if it were more serious, it wouldn't even be fun. i watch it for the dedication to the lowest possible stakes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

2:27:27Linus Sebastian:dude but you don't understand how important the trophy is oh my gosh i didn't even know there was

2:27:32Luke Lafreniere:a trophy to be perfectly honest i didn't know there was going to be a trophy to the end i thought it was just like a uh like a you win yay um next video do we have uh any merch messages mr dan yeah sorry to get distracted no no i'll go and the tips i was made the cto of my organization and nominated as a distinguished engineer i mean that's not even a weird flex all right heck yeah um the expert in my field if floatplane labs etc had de's then for what tech what if each of you made a de i don't know what somewhere i thought it was somewhere yeah what if each of you were made a de somewhere like what would you be the distinguished engineer in like the expert in your field um i don't know i'm i'm an all-rounder i'm i'm a jack of all trades um you know what there that's my de i'd be the de in distilling uh jargon like i i don't know if there's many people who do that quite pretty good like i do i'll i'll sit i'll talk to engineers the actual de's and absorb just enough of it to regurgitate it back and have them go oh oh yeah oh yeah no that's probably the the best way i've heard that explained by someone who didn't do an entire post-doctorate degree in this um good job and i'll be like thanks i have now forgotten all of it so as long as the as long as the words on the page are right and you say they're right, we're good.

2:29:14Luke Lafreniere:That's my superpower.

2:29:18Linus Sebastian:Man, I don't know if I have an answer for this. So much of what I do these days is just like insert miscellaneous management tasks.

2:29:33Linus Sebastian:Hmm.

2:29:39Linus Sebastian:I like to think that I'm good at getting people to kind of like rally behind a banner. So like, alignment, I guess.

2:29:49Luke Lafreniere:Motivation.

2:29:50Linus Sebastian:Yeah, sure. I'll go with that.

2:29:57Luke Lafreniere:Okay, up next. Are you talking to me too? They asked you. I don't make the rules. Troubleshooting. That's mine. I like that. Why broke? You know what? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2:30:13Linus Sebastian:Channel broken.

2:30:14Luke Lafreniere:Why broken? Why broke? Sound broken. Power broken. Here, fix. Do this. Throw out by new. Trace broken. If only I could figure out why life broken. Up next. Hi. That guy had these. Hi, LLD. It's like cobbler's children, right? My shoes are bad. Hi, LLD. With many devices that were purchased during the pandemic, now aging out of schools and businesses, what are your thoughts on the future of e-waste in North America? What future? It's a crisis. It's an enormous problem, and it's exacerbated by a trend towards less and less repairable and and deconstructible right like modern like touchscreens i actually didn't become aware of what an ecological disaster touchscreens were sorry i should say environmental not necessarily ecology um but what an environmental disaster touchscreens were until quite recently because the way that they're laminated and fused uh makes them much more difficult to separate into their constituent parts apparently um yeah it's it's a it's a catastrophe and one that humanity will probably not end up having to deal with because we'll be dead

2:31:39Luke Lafreniere:what's the weirdest sponsor request you've had to turn down oh man the weirdest sponsor request you've had to turn down see i was trying to think like maybe something from dbrand but i i basically never really say no to them so yeah

2:31:57Linus Sebastian:yeah i hmm you know i think this is gonna be one that we we we like reached out to them to see if they would do it and then they were enthusiastically down and then we decided to not do it does that count do you know what one i'm talking about no i don't but i i have i have one mr colton potter potentially on the line here i'm gonna try him sure i'm gonna dm you the one that i'm

2:32:26Luke Lafreniere:talking about you can decide to say it if you want wow sent to voicemail after only two and a half rings well i know where we stand mr potter i just dm'd it to you oh uh the um if you want to mention it or not oh yeah sure i don't know yeah sure go with that i didn't even remember that i don't remember the context of it yeah i don't remember like what sparked it

2:32:53Linus Sebastian:but way back in the day can i say the name is that is the first name okay sure um there was there was some reason why we were thinking about doing something and we thought it would be funny if we got it sponsored by the hub um and they actually responded and we're like yeah we're down and we didn't really expect that response and then we were like oh wait this is like real are we actually doing this and then and then the decision was no so we had to be like um never mind sorry that's lame which is kind of like quintessential nerd in that scenario i think so maybe that makes sense hey do you want to go on a date yeah uh um uh no you're too pretty bye yeah basically so um man i don't remember what the deal was that was like it's not in my inbox no this is ancient i think yeah but like my inbox goes back to the start of the company smart guy no yeah for sure see i'm not used to that because someone deleted the inbox for float plane um i don't know who that was yeah you inbox for float plane remember we had float plane club emails and then you just like randomly deleted it one day i don't remember why we did that oh right because we didn't want to keep paying for them forever yeah yeah i remember that we were we were partially migrated but not fully migrated and you just needed the whole thing yeah that was

2:34:21Luke Lafreniere:my bad we lost like a bunch of history yeah that was my bad it's fine i mean it's basically resolved

2:34:28Linus Sebastian:at this point but um i am used to like things from that era just assuming that i don't have them so yeah my bad but yeah this was i think this was done through colton and i think any discussions with you would have been vocal at that point in time yeah okay yeah sorry i can't find any reference to it that's freaking hilarious though it was it was either them or someone very like them and i i really i don't remember i wonder if it was like how to hide your stuff that is on the hub video um i don't think it was that time frame wouldn't it have been like channel super fun the the dildo racing maybe i think it was a little bit after that okay but i i was going to bring that video up because i think it might have been something like kind of inspired by i really don't know what it was it's been too long it's like literally been a decade basically um but that was a thing we we reached out to them they said sure whoever it was i think it was them

2:35:25Luke Lafreniere:um and then we said no it's amazing how many people are relatively new to the channel and just like have no idea what channel super fun is this float plane chat's just like lighting up with the what racing uh yeah that was a video on channel super fun way back in the day um i got i got a text from my daughter that actually reminded me of this is totally unrelated to anything but remember that cool text that i showed you from her a little while back where i was like Like, this is such a proud dad moment. Guys, this is so cool. I got a text from her, like, middle of last month that was, I fixed the printer all by myself today for the first time.

2:36:03Luke Lafreniere:Yes, it was awesome. Exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark. She goes, a piece of filament was stuck. Dude, it worked. That's so cool. It freaking paid off. The Christmas present, like, the big one for the whole family, I want to say two Christmases ago now was a Bamboo Labs printer, P1S, and then a few AMSs, because the idea that I had in my head was that in particular, my daughters, who I recognized immediately were going to just use it as a toy factory, were going to eventually run into enough problems that I was eventually going to lose patience with fixing it for them to the point where they were going to have to start learning how to manage it themselves, and they were going to run out of already prefabbed creations that they could just print and get to the point where they were going to have to start learning to model stuff, and it's freaking happening.

2:36:59Luke Lafreniere:It took about, yeah, about 20 months, but it's flipping happening. My eldest daughter can do some basic 3D printer repair, including taking out stuck filament, um she can take the full extruder head assembly off of it and replace it honestly what's more

2:37:23Linus Sebastian:important about that in my opinion is that she was really excited and proud about doing so which means that she will probably continue to she got that dopamine hit yes she got that that's a very

2:37:35Luke Lafreniere:important component yes she has learned troubleshooting she achieved something and and And she got the secondary dopamine hit of being able to use the printer to make something she wanted. She's already starting to do a little bit of basic modeling. And that's influencing my youngest daughter to want to be just like her big sister, like they tend to do. And she's trying to do a little bit as well. Dude, absolutely freaking stoked. It freaking happened. Tyler asks, did your son ever decide if he wants to be in more LTD videos? Actually, yeah. he expressed some interest over the course of the summer and he is currently in the first um or second draft phase of a kindle video so i basically told him look i don't mind a little bit of light nepotism but the way that it's going to work is if you want to you know do anything that isn't just as my son you're gonna have to you're gonna have to shovel some shit if you know what i mean and so i basically picked the least glamorous possible assignment uh which it turns out on the docket was a look at the latest kindles including the color kindle and i went okay here's some basic guardrails of you know sort of where to go for information yourself um other publications that have covered it just you know to to learn what their thoughts were but think for yourself um customer reviews filtering out of course that you know inexperienced reviewers slash people who don't have other devices for context slash bots slash paid reviewers might be muddying the waters there here's what people might want to know you know it's what's good about it what's bad about it what's complicated about it don't forget about price blah blah blah i kind of laid out all these things and i went okay dump it all in a dock and again a little bit of light nepotism uh one of our experienced writers will look at your first draft with you and actually ploof said it was not bad i haven't looked at it yet because he went through the first three four paragraphs sort of showed my son okay here's what you need to tweak here's what's pretty good he kind of went yeah you know it reads like a 13 year old wrote it but a good 13 year old um i sent him back to the kitchen and he's currently working on draft two which will then go into script review with me so this will be my first time actually seeing the script and i have resolved to have absolutely no mercy if it's something that i would have changed with one of our writers i'll change it um and i basically told him that the most that he gets to do in this because again he's got to shovel some shit is he gets to host a little bit of it so he might host a segment or two uh but he's writing a video for the ltt channel and it will either be good enough and we'll actually use it or it won't be good enough and i'll look at his resume again in another year or two it's kind of where we're at on it sure

2:40:40Linus Sebastian:now that's it we were talking about the dopamine hits and the and the desire for more situation with the repairing of the printer um when he received that feedback from ploof um was he motivated did he did he did he get to it did he start working on it right yeah he's working on it positive i've seen i've seen him working on it nice yeah that's exciting i'm hearing good

2:41:06Luke Lafreniere:positive things about this video potentially arriving soon oh uh well while that potentially happens five or six minutes yeah cool more okay well we should try to get through the rest of the merch messages then so we can time it for the end of the show yeah hello short shorter and shortest like the pizza warmer what other not stellar videos would you like to completely redo my blackberry review we'll lay for that yeah too bad you sunk them luke i miss my blackberry

2:41:47Luke Lafreniere:man i don't know maybe you guys will be able to tell me what were what are my worst videos

2:41:51Linus Sebastian:which ones should i redo hit me the apology video yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that'd be a

2:42:00Luke Lafreniere:pretty good one your next one you'll get right you know what i don't think so i don't think so dan i think i think the next time a major scandal rolls our way yeah i'm just gonna be like it deal with it actually based i would i would support that i i just think i'm over it at this point like no ukulele no nothing just like yeah okay whatever bye there's been so many attempts to cancel my career that i'm just like i'm over it at this point like look next time go for the head and if you don't hit it then give up go home remember what the last one was but i remember

2:42:43Linus Sebastian:I was like out doing stuff on the weekend and one of my friends messaged me like oh my god this thing is happening and I if I remember correctly you and I both were basically just like yeah we'll we'll get to it when we're back in office it's fine whatever sometimes the internet's gonna internet

2:43:06Luke Lafreniere:what else we got your worst videos are building PCs you can only do that so many times well then why would you tell me to redo it uh remake the first video with no ai yeah i don't know you guys aren't really giving me much here survivor slug cat says one that needs a remake is the christmas album no it doesn't if anything i think over the last little while we've gotten less musical so no i don't think that's a very good idea interesting

2:43:46Linus Sebastian:dan is that true for like the oh i thought you were going to continue with another one

2:43:50Luke Lafreniere:nope uh hi lmg i just got a brand new monitor with hdr functionality nice whenever i turn it on it looks weird is that just me why do people turn on hdr i love the magnetic cable organization and bottle ah okay windows hdr can sometimes be a little bit funky i actually encountered it earlier today sometimes you turn on hdr in windows and it's like pretty darn looking like it kind of should at the desktop and then other times you turn it on and it gets like all washed out and horrible looking uh so what you'll have to do is you'll have to make sure that your display is only switched into hdr mode uh when you're actually playing content that benefits from hdr because even if your desktop looks like hot poo poo if you go into a game that supports hdr and turn hdr on it will look outstanding and then just don't use hdr at the desktop i guess win b yeah yeah win b hotkey there's a hockey for that yeah if i recall correctly that's sick i'm not gonna do it because it might break the computer okay i have been given a link sorry win alt b

2:45:08Luke Lafreniere:okay carry on i've been given a link to scarpia doors so we can post that when we're done yeah when we're done good day from australia luke the refrigerator you've often said that life is pvp as a bloke who seems set on making the world better how do you square that with the life

2:45:29Linus Sebastian:is pvp philosophy any tips i would say probably kill them quickly so they don't suffer

2:45:40Luke Lafreniere:i mean just because it's pvp doesn't mean those other people can't be

2:45:45Linus Sebastian:useful to you you shouldn't just kill them all yeah yeah even like even in a pvp enabled world you can have people that can work with you um if you think about i mean even if you think about just video games right like if you if you think about one of the longest running ones now eve online it's like extremely brutal extremely pvp enabled you have internal you'll have like spies that'll steal stuff from groups all the time but that doesn't stop people from working together because in order to accomplish more you have to work together and you will find people that are generally going to act in a way that benefits you you can argue that effectively every single action like ever made is selfish um but there can be selfish actions that's such a cynical viewpoint Yeah, it is.

2:46:41Linus Sebastian:I agree. And I don't think it's realistic. But even in that scenario, there can be things that people do that are selfish that benefit you. Alignment. Yeah. Alignment is very important and definitely attainable. And it might not work every time, but it's definitely attainable. A lot of people want to be on a team.

2:47:03Luke Lafreniere:And there are positive, there are personally positive results sometimes that align with making the world a better place. I mean, I'd say a great example would be making a good product that helps people fix things faster and more comfortably. Like, yes, you know, this is a PVP world. And, you know, it was the creation of our screwdriver was capitalistically motivated. Obviously, I don't mind selling half a million of them. But that doesn't mean that that has to be mutually exclusive to other people finding a benefit from, you know, our team's actions. And that doesn't mean that other people on our team can't benefit from, you know, the sales of this.

2:47:51Luke Lafreniere:Like, it's just...

2:47:52Linus Sebastian:I think you could even argue like something like the Trust Me Bro warranty. like the the idea of just somewhat automatically siding with the customers and trying to make things good for people is is honestly it's so multifaceted it's it's kind of easier for us the customer service team can just be like less contentious than they would have to be at other companies which is probably nice I assume that's nice I know for the flow plane customer support that's nice it just makes the the approach to a lot of situations easy it's like oh you're mad and you want a refund okay yeah sounds good hopefully you uh come back later see ya we've actually caught a lot of people very off guard doing that because they're like oh wait really gearing up for a fight yeah and then and then sometimes they end up coming back and like messaging us about the fact that they came back which is kind of a funny um way to close that loop.

2:48:49Linus Sebastian:But the idea that something is good for you, therefore it must be bad for others is not good. I think also the idea that something is good for others, therefore it must be bad for you is a bad way of thinking as well. Like someone else gaining a benefit and you not gaining it can still mean that that is a good thing overall. And supporting that, I think if you don't think super short-sighted might result in things that are good for you and not necessarily good for them happening in the future because if you set that as like the like look we are going to try to do the thing that is right as much as possible as the standard that you have um that you will ideally overall benefit from that happening i i don't know the whole situation is tough um life is constant pvp i think the main thing that you're in pvp with is companies um yes it happens with each other like we are yeah absolutely i mean only one person can marry yvonne which is a total bummer for everyone but me from my perspective so you were you were in constant pvp with everyone else yeah in in your eyes well not anymore to getting with yvonne yeah sure now i don't even have to take care of myself i would still say yes actually that's fair that's fair there whatever it's like

2:50:15Luke Lafreniere:50 of marriages end in divorce but a lot of stuff is not zero sum like that yes um and you know

2:50:23Linus Sebastian:ideally you end up in a situation where it's not really that way but um you also need to keep your guard up like you can't just like randomly suck as a husband anymore um not anymore you you can't just randomly suck as a husband.

2:50:36Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, that would be huge news for her if I came out like that.

2:50:46Linus Sebastian:Oh my God. But yeah, I don't know. Anyways, it's, yeah, the main thing you need to keep your guard out for is company stuff. The concept, there's no such thing as a free lunch is like super true and you should just be aware of it. Yeah, if something's free, you're the product. And that is very intense. I've been talking recently about how what we're paying for is shifting. We're paying to not have things now. You're paying to not have ads. You're paying to not have your data stolen. You're paying to not be involved in really brutal surveillance and data harvesting schemes. you're paying to avoid these problems yeah um and or like forced labor in the products and stuff

2:51:37Luke Lafreniere:like that sorry or like forced labor in the production of your products like like that's

2:51:43Linus Sebastian:an extra you know and it's it's a rather extreme extra because that forced labor who boy it's real cheap um yeah so it's it's it's interesting um i think it's also tough because and i i catch myself with this as well sometimes but like the things i care about um or like you know i care about a lot of things but the things that i decide to action that i care about um it's hard to not try to push other people to like definitely just follow the same things that i do and everybody's got their own little wars going on um i don't know something about recognizing that life is a constant pvp environment is just also recognizing that people are going through it all the time um And it's tough to know what battles somebody is fighting.

2:52:34Linus Sebastian:And that doesn't mean you have to be just incredibly lenient with everyone all the time. But I think it's just sometimes understanding that they're like, everyone all the time is bringing an incredible amount of baggage to every single scenario they're ever in. You never know why someone reacts to something so intensely. and it's probably because of tons of other things going on that you have really no way of ever understanding so just try to not take things too personally keep your head down and understand that basically every company is trying to loot you all the time hey what did i just get linked here

2:53:12Luke Lafreniere:sidecar your personal automotive assistant someone just sent this to me in chat uh sid bmw sent this to me apparently the tycan is the top car driven by people who use this app what does it do that's like that's wild there's so few tycans on the road oh never mind i figured it out it warns you about recalls i've had a few of those i could see tycan owners caring about that And it looks like it helps you. It looks like it helps with trip planning, which the Taycan has craptastic range. So never mind. Okay, I figured it out. Okay, Dan, next one. Sure thing. When water bottles was a new product, Linus mentioned a known issue with the black and gold water bottles that the gold would fade quickly for some users.

2:54:04Luke Lafreniere:Is that just a factor of the printing method? uh yes and we have um explored and explored and explored other printing methods and have not found a good way for gold paint on the water bottle with the current processes and manufacturing that we use to not fade so i think we either removed it from the site or we just have a disclaimer on it now that we don't cover uh fading of the gold i can't remember which one it is at this point uh i'm gonna check it looks like we do still have it on the site and uh disclaimers gold ink may be more prone to wear and discoloration from skin oils and exposure to heat than other colors some fading is normal over the lifetime of the product and it is not dishwasher safe so that's what we ultimately went with because people got mad that's right i remember now people got mad when we took it away they wanted the option to have a faded gold bottle and we were like okay oh speaking of which we may have found a coating for the screwdriver shaft gold define black a gold

2:55:10Linus Sebastian:coating no black that would be cool oh that'll like actually survive but well anything any

2:55:16Luke Lafreniere:coating is not invulnerable but a lot better but a lot better than the og that's cool that's pretty exciting so yeah i think i think people would be quite interested to see a black shaft return i actually have another merch message about that oh do you really um and let me see if i can find it here about black shafts hi dlo linus a couple weeks ago you mentioned y 'all were almost sold out of fail shafts yep will more scribe drivers come back once you're out hopefully black shafts return uh so yeah it was actually the scribe driver that drove us to uh re-explore black coatings and look at some of the options, re-look at some of the options we'd looked at previously, but maybe with different partners, and then look at some new options that had come to light.

2:56:06Luke Lafreniere:And we found one that worked really great on ScribeDriver, and we kind of went, well, if it works on a ScribeDriver, then it should work on a screwdriver, because they're like made of the same thing. And so we've been exploring it. We still have not finalized anything with respect to black coatings and whether or not that will end up in a product again. But we do have some promising leads. As for ScribeDriver, yeah, we've talked about it. And the team wants to keep making them. I mean, they continue to sell really well. Like, how many ScribeDrivers did we sell yesterday, for instance? Here, I'm gonna check.

2:56:43Luke Lafreniere:I'm gonna check. You guys can be privy to this information. Yesterday was just a normal, very normal day on the store. Like we didn't have any special promos running or anything like that. So just like a run rate, run rate kind of day. And oh man, the report takes a little while to pull. Here we go. Scribe drivers. So we moved like 30 scribe drivers yesterday. So it like just sells. It's great value. It's a great product. So the team's like, well, yeah, like, you know, this looks great on our, quarterly reports and everything. It'd be tremendous if we could keep selling it. So I think the plan is to manufacture ScribeDrivers, even though the intention was that we would not even begin to dent the total number of fail shafts that we had making this product.

2:57:36Luke Lafreniere:I mean, we had 100 ,000 of them. And between ScribeDriver and another thing that we have planned that we're going to do a production run of with fail shafts before we probably have to switch that one over to fresh manufacturing uh we're almost out of them so what if anything i think that's

2:57:55Linus Sebastian:really really cool uh because it shows that you can take a recycling project and turn it into something so profitable that it's worth doing beyond just recycling and uh just like an awesome

2:58:07Luke Lafreniere:story just so you guys know we're gonna try to give you guys a heads up when you'll have your last opportunity to grab a scribe driver before they become like not fail shafts like if you want one that is a piece of ltt failure history everything you order today will be a fail shaft from that manufacturer that boned us but at some point they will switch over so if you want to get a pencil or a pen we have both mechanical pencils and pens now for a scribe driver now is a great time to get one and be sure that you will get a fail shaft hey three musketeers linus after finding tahomi podcast i was wondering are you still using homie at home if so what have you been enjoying since installation we'll hear this tomorrow on spotify um homie is super cool and And when I finally fix all my light switches and get everything sort of aligned, I may switch over to it.

2:59:11Luke Lafreniere:But as it was, we did the install and we did a bunch of tests with it. It's like super awesome. But I already had what little I have working, working with Home Assistant. And so I have not switched my home installation. However, if nothing dramatically changes with my home assistant situation, I may just go homey. We're also looking at potentially doing another house renovation project. This is something that is still very early stages. and if we were to do something that you know is not intended to be administered by someone who feels like doing it as a hobby homie is something that i would strongly recommend um it seems like they are they are pretty serious about making the uh the experience of bringing together disparate ecosystems actually palatable for people who don't want to make it their part-time job

3:00:18Luke Lafreniere:LLND, if you play, have you tried the Anno 117 beta? If so, what do you think? I didn't know there was one. I'm going to have to try it, man. I got to tell you, I have not had practically any time for gaming. And my queue of stuff I really want to play, like I haven't touched Claire Obscure yet. Like in spite of it being apparently like the bestest RPG experience like ever or something.

3:00:43Linus Sebastian:um i yeah i was gonna say honestly uh i don't know if i'm i don't know if honestly either of

3:00:49Luke Lafreniere:us should play the beta yeah i think i can wait i think i can wait the amount of time that we have

3:00:55Linus Sebastian:for games these days i feel like uh i i would leave versions of previous me to do the beta stuff which is great and i liked doing that stuff back then but right now i will i will wait i think work's been just very excited crazy lately in no particular order

3:01:13Luke Lafreniere:here's my games that i need to play on my like to-do list the outer worlds which i did put like an hour or two into but i never really like got to get very deep into it um fell seal arbiter's mark destroy all humans dragon quest 11 oh my god this is so funny this is so old i have play that chinese game that's basically breath of the wild this was a you recommendation for genshin wait me really yeah because you were saying i've never even played genshin i know but you were saying that i think it was jayden you were saying was like really enjoying it back when it like first came out or something oh jonathan okay it was someone from the float plane team this is like five years ago now so um i have played project triangle strategy uh play tie fighter total conversion play rise of the third power play rfl play risk of rain 2 with luke barrington recommended uh play reach the future final fantasy tactics mod play that final fantasy game for android final fantasy dimensions um play eight bit adventures the forgotten journey and sequel play octopath travel actually i played a little bit of octopath travel i did not enjoyed i'm taking that off uh play the last bell a base defense game play unicorn overlord play astilibra revision play journey with yvonne try manor lords play disco elysium play paper mario the thousand year door play unraveled 2 with yvonne oh i finally did that one okay that's one um try warcraft 2 remake and warcraft 3 play vellum with yvonne play halls of torment play drova dragon quest hd remake um play clear obscure now we're getting into more current current try puck game play beyond all reason um yeah so that's my that's my to-do list and that's not even just like the ones that are in my steam library but i haven't played yet things like i I still haven't finished Doom Eternal.

3:03:16Luke Lafreniere:I only benchmark it.

3:03:23Yeah.

3:03:25Luke Lafreniere:Work's been crazy lately, man. It's been all right. It's all right. To be clear, I'm all right. But like, yeah.

3:03:36Linus Sebastian:It has been pretty crazy. It's been pretty crazy. the the views just deciding to go freaking haywire on us was not not the best timing in the world i would say um i'm very tired but hey we're still here who's svino in chat is that sven yeah oh okay

3:03:58Luke Lafreniere:can't believe you haven't played dq11 what's dq11 oh dragon quest i've actually never played dragon quest game people play those i mean are they like popular popular i think they're pretty popular because that new like hd2d hd2d uh remake was like huge or something huh and let's see is this one hello uh last one i've got for you today oh dang i tried to reply to the one hi dan before you got to it oh i was gonna be like psych it's me linus well i guess it is curated now uh as a longtime viewer who was heavily inspired by you to try and start creating content as a passion project what is the most actionable piece of advice you would wish you were told early on much less than three lld um this is a super difficult question i'm sorry to curate this no no that's fine i mean i'd say that the advice that i wish i had back then is actually really accessible now because the whole content creation as a career thing didn't exist when I started on YouTube, at least in the way that we think of what content creator means now.

3:05:11Luke Lafreniere:Obviously creating any content makes you a content creator, but like online content creation was not a career when I first got started. And so, you know, there weren't really a ton of trailblazers that came before me. There were some, um you know people like chris perillo um people like i justine um but nowadays there's so much conversation around you know what it takes to succeed that on the one hand you know the formula is really well understood you know be yourself and and engage with the audience and be persistent and and always be you know evolving and you know all these things that you know everyone knows because you can just go watch a mr beast interview and he'll break it down for you he's very transparent in terms of what it takes to succeed on the platform it's just that the flip side of this coin is that the competition is so fierce now that it comes down to who can most expertly execute on that formula and who can find a manner of engaging with that audience that is that lasts um because that's the biggest challenge I mean, I was talking about this a fair bit last week, and it was something that I was reflecting on a lot when we thought, okay, well, that's it.

3:06:30Luke Lafreniere:Like, you know, we've fallen off, right? Our views are gone. Then we turned around and had a couple, you know, 1.5, 1.6 million view videos. I'm like, okay, I guess meat's back on the menu. Who knows, right? But I was thinking a lot about, you know, if this was the end, how privileged I've been to survive this long in this industry. So long. I really do think of it as survival. There's not many people that, and I've never been, you know, at the S tier or even the A plus tier, but there's not many people that have been at the B plus, A minus tier like I have for this long. And it's a slog. So I guess I'll say this is the most actual piece of advice that even now most people don't like to talk about is that it is a fucking slog.

3:07:17Luke Lafreniere:We are not designed as creatures to have a one to this many relationship. And it is something that wears on you.

3:07:28Linus Sebastian:To have a spot glass on literally such an incredibly high percentage of your time by so many people all of the time and be expected to be perfect all of the time.

3:07:41Luke Lafreniere:And it's something that wears on the viewers as well. People grow, people change, people drift apart, and it's a weird relationship that, as far as I can tell, has never existed before, and who knows, maybe we'll learn something from it, and this type of dynamic will never exist again. But you've got to be ready to grow a thick skin and understand that, like any job, it's work. Don't romanticize it. you have a job to do so you know when the numbers are bad or when a comment is discouraging you're just gonna have to put your chin up and you're gonna have to just fucking figure it out because otherwise you will not survive period yeah just like this show will not continue to survive well this this episode well we got the flow plane oh right it's a top of the script i tried to outro the video and you didn't let me denied it will survive slightly longer sorry the top of the script uh yellow sorry i didn't unhighlight it very very top second line looks oh the full lane that's the link yeah wait so is it live or oh you have to make it i have to make it live okay that's the last thing you have to do tonight before you get to go home by the way you see that uh got Hacksmith's um uh uh oh man not not not carry all carry all day every day no fuck what yeah no no not Smithblade the the knife with the the pliers everyday carry what's it what's it called this category someone tell me multi-tool no no no no yeah is it everyday carry yeah everyday carry that's what I'm looking for so his everyday carry um kickstarter thing is over 10 million us dollars now yeah for the smith blade yeah yeah no i know the smith blade but that's not the category of product i just mean his this thing that he's making yeah the smith blade the knife don't worry about it the point is dude over 10 million dollars for our for our fellow bro content creator good for him it's so cool what an absolute freaking chad great great job james fantastic uh all right and now it's time to promote our own shit there it is we spelled finale wrong you know what it doesn't matter

3:10:10oh no well no no no no save it's live go watch it we'll see you again next week same bad time

3:10:19Linus Sebastian:same bad channel bye it's 6 a.m for me i'm going to bed good night

3:10:34Linus Sebastian:are we you just gotta close it get out of here we're not applying yet

3:10:43Linus Sebastian:goodbye