I’m a Tesla Driver Now - WAN Show September 18, 2026

20:35Luke Lafreniere:And you could easily, don't ask me how I know, but you could take it at 160 kilometers if you really wanted to. But people would be going 80 and they would like get on the brakes as we're going downhill. And to Luke's point about these braking cascades, that's actually like where traffic jams come from. Is one butthead at the front causes or for no reason hits the brakes. which causes everyone behind them to hit the brakes, which if there is higher volume means that now we have to slow down to accommodate the slowest braking person there with a safe following distance.

21:17Linus Sebastian:And the slowest unbraking person.

21:19Luke Lafreniere:And the slowest person to accelerate again.

21:21Linus Sebastian:Then you have a problem where if everyone's in a standstill, if you were somehow able to do this, which will never happen, but if you were some, well, maybe with every single car on the road being autonomous and they all talk to each other or something. But if every car lifted off the brake at the same time and just slowly started going, you could get the highway back up to speed really fast. But, you know, the person two cars ahead of you lift off the brake and start going. And then the person right in front of you is on their phone. So they have a huge delay and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

21:50Linus Sebastian:And all these different things happen. And then you're in traffic jams forever.

21:54Luke Lafreniere:But Mythbusters apparently did this. Oh, really? Anyway, it drove me crazy because every day there would be super high volume, like just traffic jam leading onto the Portman Bridge. And every day I would sit in it knowing that there was absolutely no reason for it. Yeah, totally. Because the actual volume of cars going over the bridge should have been manageable. Like toward the very end, we were probably, Surrey was growing a lot. But for a long time, there was no reason for it. Like I remember, I remember the moment because it was nighttime. So there was no traffic when I realized why there was always a traffic jam on that bridge.

22:33Luke Lafreniere:Cause I was going down and I saw, I saw someone like slam the brakes going down and I got to the point where they were. And I was like, oh yeah, it kind of looks like it's going to be a sharp turn. Okay. Idiot. It's not, it's a highway. Obviously there would be a sign or something, but like, yeah.

22:50Linus Sebastian:Okay. I get it. now yeah the other one that gets me and this one is a lot less fair and i don't think i'd get ragey about this but i get like almost like oh like disappointed sure um is if if there's like a hill or something i don't want to press the gas i don't want to press the brake i just want to cruise and then i want to take that momentum as far as i possibly can go yeah that's another one that drives me nuts don't ride the brake all the way down kilometers over the speed limit on a downhill I need to brake now and it's like bro. I know just let it go. You'll be fine We'll go a little bit fast and then just don't press the gas when you get to the bottom and let's just roll it out It's great.

23:34Linus Sebastian:Let's hyper mile boys.

23:35Luke Lafreniere:Let's hyper mile. Have you seen the price of gas?

23:39Linus Sebastian:Let's hyper mile so satisfying to not press the gas for like a really extended period of time and be still going with like an appropriate pace of traffic It is it is great

23:53Luke Lafreniere:three fork says Luke shocker here wanting to coast to save money but it's just it's just

24:00Linus Sebastian:yeah okay sure but it just like feels good I don't know I like using my pedals as little as possible all of the time and it's not even necessarily like a saving money thing because I know you're saving money on the brakes and you're also saving money on the gas but it just feels like good driving i feel like you i feel does an electric car have any appeal to you because you brake so much less i hate the

24:25Luke Lafreniere:regenerative braking really feels horrible interesting feels so bad okay which cars

24:31Linus Sebastian:Alex told me how to turn it off in Emma's car oh on the Prius yeah and it feels so much better interesting okay there's it doesn't actually turn it off it like shifts it to a different point in time when you're driving or something um and i i think it's better oh i i think it was it moved it from the brake pedal to automatically regeneratively slowing you down and i still don't like it but i prefer it than being on the brake pedal because it made the brake pedal like super jerky oh no i'm not a fan of it like uh i shouldn't say i'm not a fan of it being on the brake pedal when when the

25:09Luke Lafreniere:mixing is done really well it can be you just can be really good barely touch the brake pedal it's

25:14Linus Sebastian:like oh yeah i would hate it when like my cars it can it can break just fine but it's a lot softer

25:21Luke Lafreniere:one thing that's really uh so so my normal car um the tycan yes alex as in ztt it's a it's a i mean they're they're a driving company that's that's what they do uh they've done a really good job of the mixing like i i actually like can't tell it makes sense when i press the brake it feels like I'm braking and I can see that it's like doing regenerative braking and then I can see oh we're maxed out and it's not.

25:44Linus Sebastian:I like greatly pride myself in being able to drive sleeping people. Yes they do syphilis. And like I want to be able to come to a stop at a light with like no one sleeping being jolted. You know I want to be able to accelerate with that being true as well. Like I don't want the car to be super jerky. I want to be able to coast. I don't want to overuse the pedals i want to be very soft i want to be able to brake softly i want to be able to accelerate softly all that kind of stuff um you know not all the time but i really i i get like super dopamine engaged when someone falls asleep in the car because now i'm like all right it's a game for me it's make this ride sleepable not making my family sick yeah sure um one of our

26:31Luke Lafreniere:first road trips up to uh grand forks to see my grandmother when um i shouldn't say one of our first road trips our road trip to go see my grandmother and grand forks when our third was born um because we cut she's pretty far and it was hard when we had a young family but we were like okay at least when every kid is born we should bring the baby to go see my grandma sure at least once yeah and so um i think we had three throw-up incidents on the way and not even because I'm like a terrible terrible driver and not because they were reading in the car I just have a very motion sick susceptible family yeah um and so for me the mark is can I keep anyone from getting sick

27:10Linus Sebastian:yeah sure but also go pretty fast and get there and you know a reasonable amount of time yeah and like when I'm driving sleeping people I am usually driving them on the highway so we're

27:20Luke Lafreniere:usually cooking Yvonne drives me crazy she won't lean the seat back far enough so she always like and so she wakes herself up and that bothers me because i want her to stay rested she wouldn't close her eyes if she didn't want to sleep so then just lean it back but she won't do it i've

27:41Linus Sebastian:had i've had this problem as well and like i've been the passenger that the driver wants to stay awake so they have someone to engage with but i don't need i'm not going to fall asleep when i'm driving um and you know if i am i can put some like you know a podcast on very softly or something that isn't going to wake anyone up um but i i i get like i want people to sleep in the car i don't know i want people to be comfortable enough is it that you don't want to interact with them or what no no no no i i'm trying to figure out how to how to communicate this appropriately and i can't figure it out i want people to be comfortable enough that they're like yeah okay i'll i'll go to sleep um yeah um anyway where were we his passengers no so like that as for the tesla

28:31Luke Lafreniere:regenerative braking i remember talking about this on wan show uh because my in-laws got their model y before they changed this but they have as far as i can tell this is still a thing and i please correct me immediately if I'm wrong about this, but as far as I can tell, you can't turn off the regenerative braking anymore. Or not to even turn off, but like you used to have different settings that you could have for it. It is so strong and so awful. And I can't stand it. It's like the two experiences of this car are so unlike each other. um like when it's driving itself it's like magic and i'm so amazed and i'm really impressed and anytime i have to actually drive it um i'm just like what a piece of shit i i can't believe that they charge people real money for this and it's funny because like i i have d i did daily drive uh my in-laws model y like back when i bought it for them and it it it annoyed me that It felt like kind of like a little, like an RC car.

29:43Luke Lafreniere:Like it didn't feel like a real car. It felt like a toy. But somehow I feel like it's like gotten worse. Like Colton's Model Y is a newer one. It's hardware four.

29:53Linus Sebastian:And that's not you being spoiled on your current car. Well, no, because I drive my minivan.

29:58Luke Lafreniere:I don't care.

29:59Linus Sebastian:It's fine. Well, and the, what was it? Corolla or something?

30:01Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I was dailying the Corolla for the Comma AI one. And that was great. Yeah, you liked it. I had to have, the Taycan was in the shop and I was driving the Volt again. And I was just like, oh yeah, I still like this car. The Volt's pretty sweet. No, the Tesla's just, it's just a bad car. And I always kind of thought, okay, well, car people are just being kind of divas about it. And I do think they're divas about some aspects of it. I don't think it really matters that much if there's another millimeter between these two panels from a, like, it's funny to me, Mark.

30:25Linus Sebastian:I have seen some Tesla panel gaps that are like, whoa. Okay, that's fair. I never even knew panel gaps were like a thing that anyone cared about until Teslas came around. And then when people were complaining about it, I had the same kind of take you did of like, oh, whatever, who cares? and then i saw one in real life and i was like how do they keep it dry inside it's just such a huge gap and obviously there's more to it than that blaze henry one says put it in roll mode to turn

30:49Luke Lafreniere:off regen okay i'm gonna have to play around with that i don't want it to like completely roll what i want is adjustable like my in-laws have and like my car has actually mine is not adjustable enough it only has like a super mild one that feels more like engine brake it feels just kind of like a little bit of like transmission drag yeah um which i'm like mostly fine with actually there's a really cool feature that i think every car should adopt so i'm just going to put this out there um in the tycan if you mash the brake pedal at a light you don't have to like keep your foot on the brake which has someone who has had kind of like bad knees yeah um just like holding pedals for no reason kind of sucks and i just you know if i don't have to when i'm sitting at a light um then it's like kind of nice so you just press it hard and then it just goes into like hold mode um and then you just just push the the second of the gas and let's go my new car does the same thing it is the best feature i've ever seen in a car it's super smart it's awesome i think every car should have it uh syphilis says subaru has that too it's great if you're on an incline yeah yeah i love it um sense uh all right i guess we're anyway so so far impressions very mixed um the actual like driving the car i don't love a lot of road noise it just my cell phone reception is better in his car though so that's something yeah i know a lot of road noise less material yeah maybe i don't know um but when it drives itself and when it does it well it's it really is like looking through a window into the future i just i need it to i need to figure out that last you know percent or a couple percent of disengagements and i just i don't know if they're going to be able to do it with just cameras it's it's going to be october by the time i'm done the challenge so we will be well into the rainy season in vancouver and i'll be very curious to see how different my experience is when the weather is not cooperating all right do you want to talk about more experiential stuff do we talk about the frame oh no let's do the frame let's do the frame a little bit later okay what do you want to talk about now oh let's talk let's let's stick with some more like autonomous driving stuff um waymo called the cops on some teen riders after detecting a loaded ar style ghost gun the ride happened just before 4 a.m on september 3rd in san francisco's richmond district waymo pulled the car over after becoming aware of what it called a violation of our terms of service involving a firearm and alerted emergency services.

33:22Luke Lafreniere:Police conducted a high-risk stop and detained the two passengers, a boy and a girl who haven't been named because they're minors. Officers recovered a loaded AR-style ghost gun, meaning that the rifle was homemade with no serial number, and the search also turned up suspected marijuana and mace. Both teens were booked into juvenile custody on firearms charges. Waymo hasn't explained how it became aware of the gun, though its robo-taxis do have in-cabin cameras and have flagged incidents to be reviewed by humans. In July, San Mateo police responded to another Waymo after the company reported two 15-year-olds drinking and firing a gel blaster in the backseat.

34:02Luke Lafreniere:The Verge argues that the pattern shows what a robo-taxi really is, a camera-equipped vehicle owned by a company that can pull over the car and call the police on its passengers. which is accurate um and also footage from inside of teslas have been used so like yeah

34:27Linus Sebastian:so robo taxi has more current ability to pull you over and lock you in but uh i'm really curious to

34:36Luke Lafreniere:see how chat feels about this because on the one hand um you know if you're pro privacy this this idea that cameras are absolutely everywhere watching you at all times and like sure you didn't have a ghost gun in the back of a in the back of a waymo um and whatever it is that you were intending to do with that you know you're well i'm not a criminal so it shouldn't matter political dissident but you never know when the rules will change for what could be reported flip side it's way most car like if it was my car i would want a camera in it so that i know

35:18Linus Sebastian:that nobody's doing doofusy stuff and a lot of people in full point chat are pointing out like a you know a human taxi driver would also report it or do something we would hope you know if you have a firearm in the car they might nicely take you to your destination and then peace out but because they don't want to have anything to do with that you don't know exactly how humans are going to respond but like

35:41Luke Lafreniere:I think there's an assumption

35:43Linus Sebastian:of hey there's nobody in here I can just kind of do whatever that is not true not true at all but that's also not true when you have a camera inside of your own car that is going through some other company servers as has been proven many times over and over again yeah funky yeah

36:03Luke Lafreniere:Dynamite says no privacy it's not your car I taped up my interior camera in my car and that's something that you can do in your car but yeah that's not if you're taking a robo taxi ride I mean even a regular taxi ride so many of them have interior dash cams and I understand why they've got to protect them I would thousand percent there's absolutely no way that I would give a third party a ride in my car who's not someone that I know without having a camera on them even

36:33Linus Sebastian:just to legally protect yourself yeah if even if it's not what someone's going to do to you it's what someone might claim you did yeah oh dude have a camera dude yeah a hundred percent yeah when I started noticing those popping up I was like yeah that makes a ton of sense yeah yep

36:54Luke Lafreniere:anyway I just wanted to flag that so if you ever were under the impression for whatever reason that there's no there's no consequences for what you do in an autonomous vehicle then you can put that aside hey speaking of speaking of things that you know we're probably pretty safe to assume but are now 100 % confirmed now So ChatGPT is apparently updating their privacy policy and rolling out ads on their free and go plans. Here it comes. This is interesting. Ads will not be personalized to start, but will be based on your active ChatGPT conversation.

37:38Linus Sebastian:I've had feedback that I react to things before they're said because I read the doc and I just did that. So I apologize. I'm trying not to. But what?

37:47Luke Lafreniere:So I think what they're trying to say is that it's not based on like a long term built profile for now, but rather based on the current one, which honestly is, in my opinion, kind

38:02Linus Sebastian:of worse because it would have to be.

38:06Luke Lafreniere:No it wouldn't if you want to serve me an ad based on something that pertains to my interests Like if I if I was talking to you about my favorite musicals six months ago and you drop an oh by the way Les Mis is coming to Vancouver that's fine But if I'm talking to you about what's the best way to integrate my home security system into my home assistant And you're like this sponsored one that's not okay

38:31Linus Sebastian:I thought honestly that was the only way they were gonna do it

38:35Luke Lafreniere:I thought it was going to be like

38:36Linus Sebastian:Oh hey I need this thing and it would be like Great we have our sponsor Doing blah blah blah blah

38:41Luke Lafreniere:I mean it was obviously how they were always Going to do it but no to me That's less okay

38:47Linus Sebastian:I didn't think it was going to be like random banner ads

38:52Luke Lafreniere:No I wasn't expecting random banner ads I don't know exactly what I was expecting Because it would have to be Conversational but like Would they go like would they go to the point where people are like people are using these chatbots as as romantic you know interests like what would they go as far as like we haven't gone out recently can you can you throw grab your laptop and take me to the old spaghetti factory like what like

39:19Linus Sebastian:what are we where are we headed here elsewhere with that but yeah totally yeah well they won't be serving condom ads well they could serve other related ads condom ads um and those really gotta

39:31Luke Lafreniere:keep things clean yeah i um i learned about i learned about a product that you don't have to keep clean because it's one-time use i was at someone's birthday party and they got it as a gift oh it's like a gag gift or maybe they're just really like they really like them but there's disposable that oh yeah the the amount of waste looked spectacular yeah yeah but it was like a one-time use pocket thing um and i didn't know what it was so i kept like i kept like asking about it because everyone was like ha ha ha and i was like no i don't get it and so i like i like pick it up and like i go and everyone's like oh he's looking it up like so yeah that's what it

40:11Linus Sebastian:was i was i was holding another man's um toy oh so you don't have to clean it you just throw it

40:18Luke Lafreniere:away oh yeah um yeah okay no chat knows chat knows what we're talking about is that is that what it's called i think it was a different name uh i don't know is this is this it

40:34Linus Sebastian:i won't i won't thank you i'm not sharing my screen i don't know if my i don't know if uh dan was coming through the mic there but he said please don't show your screen yeah yeah i think

40:44Luke Lafreniere:it was I think it was the I think it was this I think chat knows what it is so congratulations chat uh for for knowing what that is and that's that's wonderful anyway plus pro enterprise and business accounts will not get ads for now and ad free options are available for chat GPT. Our discretion question is, did anyone bet against you when you called this? Is someone owed money? No. I don't think anyone in their right mind

41:19Linus Sebastian:would have imagined

41:22Luke Lafreniere:that this was not going to happen at some point. What did you want me to talk about, Dan? Oh, yeah. I said it would be a great segue to the indoor collection. This is one of the coolest collections we've ever done. Luke, do you want to fire up the store? This week, we're releasing a huge assortment of products. It's been a long time coming. It's the Great Indoors Collection. Ashley has absolutely outdone herself on the artwork. Go ahead and click through it.

41:54Linus Sebastian:Dude, I love that it's like the name of the file.png. That's fantastic. Dude, just...

41:58Luke Lafreniere:That's so great. The team has been absolutely killing it. It starts with the shirt that I'm wearing, the Great Indoors Short Sleeve T-Shirt. This is just a spectacular little piece of artwork that I remember her first showing me and I'm going, it's amazing. I'm not sure exactly what to do with it. Do you want to give us a little bit of zoom? It's amazing. Not sure exactly what to do with it, but it's freaking amazing. It's so cute. We've got a cute little screwdriver marshmallow stick, a little cable, cable fire. You know, this is about as outdoors as I ever really want to be. so it felt very relatable for me.

42:40Luke Lafreniere:And we've got a long sleeve as well in a different color. All are available in both regular and tall. Okay, they're selling pretty fast. Sorry, Luke, you can get a long sleeve. You can get a long sleeve. Go look at the long sleeve. It's in a really nice color. The long sleeves I don't think are tall. Oh, they are tall. We do have tall long sleeve in jade gray. And there's some stock. Hey, let's go. Great indoors. Looks great. Freaking love it. Do I have talking points for these? Printed on our classic blank polyblend tees. They feature a cute little great indoors cat graphic that looks pretty cozy, just hanging out in its little indoor world.

43:16Luke Lafreniere:But there's so much more, starting with, yes, that backpack that I have been teasing for what feels like a freaking year. The long-awaited British Miller Inn commuter is finally here. You've probably seen this pop up in photos or hanging off on the side of set for a while because I was daily driving it for quite a long time to make sure that this new material was going to hold up to daily wear. It does. It's awesome. And now you can buy it. It's made with British Miller Ends dry waxed, 100 % cotton hexagon ripstop fabric. The waxed finish gives it water resistance while the ripstop weave adds durability without making the bag feel overly heavy.

43:58Luke Lafreniere:So you get the same storage and capacity as our regular commuter, but with a more rugged outdoorsy material that's built to handle a bit more abuse it dude it's a freaking sick backpack i get so many comments on it it's everything you love about the commuter but just with a little bit more style i think the color is fantastic it looks so good dude it looks so good yeah you've actually got one right next to you it's a little more green than what it's showing on that screen um really nice color scheme uh and if you want to keep all the little stuff inside organized we also did a british millerian version of the tech sack to go with it so you can keep your chargers cables and other tech accessories that would otherwise end up floating around your bag tucked in there for safe keeping um if you want to get your hands on just the spray to refresh the like the wax finish i believe british millerian sells it and then you can also get it from in from third parties i don't think we carry it at least not for now i also love the color that they went with for the i shouldn't say they we we talked about it as a team, but that we decided on for the inside, the gray.

45:01Luke Lafreniere:It's still high contrast enough that you can find stuff, but we didn't need an orange interior for this. Yeah. That would not have been the right play.

45:11Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I agree.

45:12Luke Lafreniere:Next up, we've got the twill over shirt. That's the one that Luke's actually wearing right now. Yeah. It's basically what you want when it's too warm for a jacket, but you don't want to leave the house in just a t-shirt. Just add a little touch of class to your outfit. It's made from lightweight 10 cell lio cell. So it's breathable and easy to layer for that kind of weird end of summer, beginning of summer, spring, fall.

45:35Linus Sebastian:I've been wearing it the whole show. It's warm, but I'm not overheating.

45:40Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, it's a really nice, super breathable material. I'm totally fine. It's not a cheap material, but that's kind of how it goes. We've also got the Great Indoors Baseball Cap. Dude, there's so many new products. Yeah, there's the cap. I think you wore this last week. Yeah, so cute. Same graphic, embroidered on our blank baseball cap, giving you kind of a low-key way to represent your preferred habitat. We've also got, this is for the first time ever, folks, check it out. LTT store, Nalgene bottle. Nalgene, LTT, there it is, boys. Fantastic. It's happening. I have wanted to do just like a plastic style, you know, BPA free.

46:24Luke Lafreniere:I think it's 50 % second use materials. It's super durable. Everything you love about Nalgene. Water bottle, but now with cool, adorable graphics on it. Got our cute little kitty hiding out, playing video games under a tent.

46:45Luke Lafreniere:And oh, by the way, this is fun. Not intentional, but we apparently use the same threading for the LTT lid as Nalgene does. So it's not included, but you can order one of these separately. They're like five or six bucks or something like that. And you can put it on this as well if you prefer the spout top and you don't just like the screw off one. What else we got? I think there's one more thing. Oh, yeah. The Bliss desk pad. Oh, God. How cute is that?

47:13Linus Sebastian:I am planning on getting multiple of these.

47:16Luke Lafreniere:It's so cute.

47:17Linus Sebastian:Because I'm worried they're going to be gone.

47:19Luke Lafreniere:All the same quality that you know and love from the XC desk pad.

47:22Linus Sebastian:Look at that setup.

47:23Luke Lafreniere:but just so that's so good but just so much fun is that the touch grass dbrand skins yeah ashley showed me this i think i've talked about this before but ashley ashley we were talking about how sometimes like i feel like less is more in our in our designs like we almost try oh this is great too hard to make things really really good and i was like i want you to do that concept we talked about but do it like bad like just yeah because it's not bad it's not it's not bad because she's just got good artistic sensibilities so she can't she can't make something that's actually

47:57Linus Sebastian:bad bad it's just like lo-fi and i just think it's so adorable it's just lo-fi bliss yeah i've had

48:04Luke Lafreniere:this on my desk for like the last couple months and it just makes me happy every time i sit down at my desk that's great yeah super cute and that's it that's the great uh that's the great Great Indoors. Hey, since we're talking Great Indoors, now's a perfect time to pick something up from the collection because it's the WAN show. If you want to send in a comm, a checkout message, that's the way to interact with us. We don't want you just throwing money at your screen and getting nothing in return. You should throw money at your screen and get high-quality merchandise in return. And then also, producer Dan will see your message and he'll just pop it up down there or he'll reply to it or he'll curate it for me and Luke to respond to.

48:47Luke Lafreniere:Luke, do you want to show them the flow real quick? Nope. Of course, he's just learning about Warcraft 3 because that's what he would be doing during my show.

48:54Linus Sebastian:I mentioned the Diablo thing, so I was trying to figure out what happened with that. I was right that there is a new one compared to when the game first released. It is not coming out now. It came out earlier this year. I just didn't know about it. Whatever. The point is, in the cart. I'll get there. I'll get there. There's something in the cart already.

49:10Luke Lafreniere:You're good. Hold on. Nope. Okay, you're going to pick your favorite thing. I need to buy one of these. Fine. And then that's a reasonable choice. And then there you go.

49:19Linus Sebastian:Boom. Do you type a thing? I'll be staying inside this weekend. Nice. Okay.

49:26Luke Lafreniere:And then, then you go ahead and place your order and it goes to producer Dan, et cetera. Dan, do you want to show us what the curated ones look like? Hit us. Yeah, sure. What's up boys. Luke, how's your fitness journey going? What's the goal by the end of the year? I'm down 40 pounds myself since starting a little over a year ago. Oh, good for you.

49:42Linus Sebastian:Not incredibly, but it's going okay. My plan for the last while has been like steps. So I was having a lot of fun for a long time there doing weightlifting and things were getting very good in that realm. But now I'm trying to focus on more of a holistic thing. I've had problems for a long time with flexibility. So I've been doing a lot of work on flexibility and that is improving, but still bad. I don't think it'll ever be good because I have some like nerve issues. So a lot of the flexibility stuff that I have to do is like, it's called nerve flossing. Nerve flossing. That sounds like horrible.

50:22Linus Sebastian:A legitimate stretch that I do. I can do seated right here. I do, I do this and my toe is pointing. My leg is straight out. My toe is pointing up and I look down and I can feel a stretch. Wait, hold on, hold on. Can I, can I try it? Can you tell me if I'm doing it right? Put your, let's do right leg. It doesn't really matter. Put one of your legs out, right leg. put it out pull your toe all the way straight like this uh mine's like mostly straight there's a little bit of a bend in the knee okay toe up head down now toe out head up and then just do it again with a pause on the end of each

51:05Linus Sebastian:yeah i can't feel a thing it probably won't affect either of you um but it's why bending forward is like hard for me oh interesting no i don't think you're doing it uh you are wait what no you're doing it fine you do it at the like like uh at the same time like this yeah yeah there you go yeah where do you feel the stretch uh for pretty much all of it really yeah yeah uh like hams well it's it's a nerve that go what i don't remember the exact path uh yeah i don't feel that it's the nerve that it comes up through my like hamstring and then like up my back if i remember correctly um but yeah that's similar to i think there's at least yeah there's a couple people in chat going like oh uh-oh yeah so that's that's fun um sciatic yeah it's a sciatic nerve uh i have other ones as well but that is that is a uh the kind of like the primary problem because my brother and i for instance have both been able to bend backwards no problem forever right like i could do like do a bridge yep that was no issue i could i could go shins on the ground and then like shins flat and then lay completely flat no problem for like most of my life no issue and then you tell me to like touch my toes and it's like no i literally can't right i had i remember one time i went to yoga and the teacher was pissed because she thought i was just phoning it in and she came over to like push me and then i'll shoot and i was like okay cool she's like helping i thought she was being nice and then she's like stop like resisting and i was like i'm not my body doesn't fold that way i was like there is no muscular engagement right now at all this is it just doesn't go uh and then she basically told me like i don't know if you can do this class and i was like cool i don't like you and never went back um okay but yeah so i'm i've been working on on stuff like that um i've got some like guides that i'm that i'm following to try to do things like that i'm also trying to get a lot of steps in i'm trying to build habits um like one where we go emma and i go on walks every night um which is getting way worse because as the season changes and it's getting colder a lot of the places that we walk now have like crazy spiders um which isn't necessarily a problem except for that you get covered in the webs as you're walking yeah i can't say i'm a fan of that which is kind of icky so we might need to change the pattern a little bit but the habit is there we just need to shift the timing or whatever so trying to get things in that get a bunch of steps every day and things like that to drop drop weight and become more flexible that's my those are my goals right now not so much the weight lifting stuff which is mind-blowingly more boring for you yes oh yeah because weight lifting is like super boring to me oh i like number go up

54:10Luke Lafreniere:We're so, we're so like opposite when it comes to fitness stuff. Like I can motivate myself to like go on the Stairmaster, but when it comes to just like pick the thing up and like, oh my God, I don't care.

54:26Linus Sebastian:But if you can pick up more than last week, then dopamine go. Once you figure out the brain muscle of the pick the thing up, it's like actually addictive. It gets a lot more satisfying.

54:34Luke Lafreniere:It's not about picking up the thing. it's like i can i can feel picking up the thing yeah very specifically there's a lot of ways that

54:44Linus Sebastian:you can pick something up where the right muscles are not activating and you can do the movement so you don't necessarily recognize it but the right muscles are not activating and once you can the whole mind muscle thing he's talking about once you can get the right muscles activating it like

54:55Luke Lafreniere:feels good skull skull crushers for me was like the best brain muscle connection i have ever felt

55:02Linus Sebastian:and as soon as I got it, I was like, oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. And they feel horrible and amazing at the same time. It's great. Yeah. Anyway, so I'm not doing as much of that stuff right now. Theoretically, eventually, I would like to find a balance where I have good habits on both and I'm getting a lot of steps in, I'm getting a lot of stretching in, I'm getting a lot of weightlifting in. But it has become more and more important for me to solve the stuff I'm currently working on. And then I know that I can just step back into the gym and have the weightlifting stuff going again like that. So I'm not worried about that.

55:35Linus Sebastian:So that's where I'm at right now. And it's hard to have a specific goal when it comes to just like building a habit. So by end of year, I don't have like a super specific goal other than the habits being formed and repeatable and having been followed. Yeah.

55:53Luke Lafreniere:All right, let's talk about something kind of cool that Apple's doing. Apple's security team published a technical explanation on Monday of a technology that makes the iPhone 18 Pro sign every pixel it capture, creating sort of a digital negative that can be verified that it was like a real captured image. So this is a week after they announced the feature alongside the iPhone 18. They published the explanation and basically every 18 Pro main camera sensor generates its own cryptographic signing key at the factory. and when you shoot in the opt-in reference mode, the sensor signs the raw pixel data the instant it's captured before any software can modify it.

56:36Luke Lafreniere:Secure timestamps taken around the shot establish roughly when that happened and Apple packages all of that into what it calls a secure digital negative. That negative is developed into a finished signed JPEG on Apple's private cloud compute servers and their photos app displays it beside the normal shot so anyone can compare the two and spot edits. Apple says this beats existing standards like C2PA, which attach their provenance data after capture, where any step in the chain can compromise it. Apple acknowledges that the system proves what the sensor saw and nothing else. So photographing an AI-generated image on a screen, for instance, would produce a fully verified reference of what you did.

57:19Luke Lafreniere:And the mode only works on the main camera of the 18 Pro and 18 Pro Max, and captures unavailable in the EU and China at launch. So it's unclear how much of an impact this is going to have, at least for the moment. Unavailable in the EU and China sucks. But this sounds awesome. So our discussion question, though, is for certain people, right? This could be very useful, like a journalist or a law enforcement or, I don't know, a lawyer maybe or something. You know, somewhere where verifiable, this is what was in front of this phone. This is when it happened. Data could be very important. But can you think of any other real applications?

58:06Luke Lafreniere:I could see someone like a site auditor being very interested in this. Like if you go around and do like inspections of...

58:15Linus Sebastian:Definitely.

58:15Luke Lafreniere:Like what else? Like outside of professional applications though, can you think of a consumer application where you'd care about this? oh dude i can think of a lot of taking a picture of like an arrived package like that was like beat up or whatever like yeah this has not been edited in any way this is this is apple says this is what it looks like is that still professional because you're engaging with a company in order to prove a thing i mean i'm not necessarily saying so yeah i'm not operating in a professional capacity in this moment so that's where i was drawing the line yeah sure

58:48Linus Sebastian:professional oh that's fair um

58:54Linus Sebastian:I think, yeah, basically anything you're trying to prove with a photo, which for a long time, Pixar didn't happen. Yeah. Now take that picture.

59:03Luke Lafreniere:Apple digital negative or it didn't happen. Yeah. I could see that becoming a bit of a thing on social media to be, to be honest with you, actually. And there's, there's a bunch of that. Like I can see like, like the natural beauty folks, like really leaning into like the hashtag not edited, like, you know, posting selfies or whatever. Like I could see that becoming a thing. You're hot, but are you Apple digital negative hot? Interesting. Dating apps. Whoa. Whoa. I could see people literally swiping away anyone who didn't use an Apple digital negative photo.

59:42Linus Sebastian:Is this like the most intense version of the like blue bubble, green bubble thing? Maybe. oh you're not apple digital negative so i don't trust you anyways see you later get out of here wow that would actually be like that's nuts like that that's nuts that's a killer app i love this i also love that it has to be in reference mode which it kind of took me a second to figure out like why and then it's like oh well there's a lot of automatic artificial stuff that happens with your camera these days so you have to put into reference mode so that it doesn't do that stuff so it's actually much more of a real photo every piece at both levels facebook marketplace and ebay

1:00:24Linus Sebastian:yeah that doesn't eliminate the taking a photo of a screen problem no no not at all but i it helps

1:00:31Luke Lafreniere:but it's something you know it's uh it's it's it's something in a time when man doesn't it really feel like like our like our our our control is slipping through our fingers our our our ability to verify reality is is is slipping away from us like very substantially so to the point where

1:00:51Linus Sebastian:this makes me much more interested in buying an iphone

1:00:57Luke Lafreniere:really even well i mean we don't know that adoption of this will will actually come to any of these platforms and i would wait but i but i i would be man i would be surprised But this is, and I would be surprised if other people didn't adopt this as well. LMG channel says you guys use dating apps. No, but we are familiar with the concept of dating apps. Brother, it's very simple.

1:01:20Linus Sebastian:I think I can wrap my brain around it. I like picture. I push finger one direction. I don't like picture. I push finger other directions. I don't think it's...

1:01:33Luke Lafreniere:It's like the most ape thing in the world. Now, P-Ball says, what happens when a website edits a photo for size or resolution? Well, then you might lose this. I actually don't know how or if this could survive in any way, that type of a process. But if a platform were to implement this feature, obviously they wouldn't do that then. Or, you know, they might store the digital negative verified version of it, and that's not necessarily what they display. But when you, like, click through to it. or or i mean maybe okay i have no idea what this would look like like i don't know if apple so sorry where did they so they secure time stamps establish when it happened secure digital negative blah blah blah cryptographic signing key at the factory so does this does this happen at on apple servers at any point yeah okay sign jpeg on apple's private cloud compute servers so through an api then they could just say yeah this has been verified then they wouldn't even have to store the full quality version, they wouldn't have to display it.

1:02:34Luke Lafreniere:They could just say, we've done it. We've done a check. Green mark. Yes, this is an Apple digital negative verified photo. Potentially. I don't know that for sure. They say they're signing every pixel, right? So you should still be able to crop it. Yeah, that's at the time of capture, according to our notes here. And then the negative is developed into a finished signed JPEG because it would be, if it's every pixel then it would have to be raw, right? And so the finished JPEG is validated over on Apple's side where they're going to know what your cryptographic signing key is supposed to be. And they should be able to say, okay, yeah, like, yes, this came from that sensor on that phone at about that time.

1:03:13Luke Lafreniere:Dude, I'm... I started this with just like, oh, that sounds like a cool technology. Let's discuss it on WAN show. I really like innovative technology. That's kind of like my whole adult life. And now I'm like... And not adult life. Now I'm like...

1:03:29Linus Sebastian:This is really cool. This is really cool. We'll have to see how they actually end up using it. We'll have to see if they play nice with other platforms. Because if they don't, then it won't go that far. Yeah, classic Apple. I also hope that Google adopts this. I hope a lot of different things adopt this.

1:03:50Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. DrainX brings up... Actually, I meant to talk about this as I was talking through the topic earlier. It occurred to me and then I totally forgot. That's a really great point. So the image sensor is going to be tied to the SoC potentially. Oh, repair. What does that mean for repairability? I don't know. Apple, I have not honestly paid super close attention to what Apple's been doing over the last couple of years with respect to repairability. I thought they backed down on some of the battery stuff a little while ago, but don't quote me on that. It just really has not been in the news much.

1:04:33Luke Lafreniere:I'd be okay with it if the feature just didn't work anymore. As long as, yeah, yeah. I'd be okay with that outcome. I'd also be...

1:04:42Linus Sebastian:I don't know if it would be okay for you to be able to use or replace the sensor and have it still work. That might not be okay. I am not informed enough to make a call there, but it if i assume that it wouldn't be okay i would still be cool with like you know the whole rest of your phone works the camera still works you just can't do this verified photo thing anymore

1:05:04Luke Lafreniere:yeah crystal's asking so when you post it to social media would there be a watermark which could be copied no it wouldn't be a watermark so the the only way that a social media app would implement this is they would get would call out the sign yep they would get the signed photo they would call out and say hey does does all of this match what you thought it was and then they would display their own check mark yeah next to it or whatever it wouldn't be embedded in the photo watermarking is like caveman technology at this point um so yeah it would it would be more of like it's like it's certified authentic as opposed to having some kind of like baked in watermark yeah because they're still every platform is still going to want to save bandwidth and save storage costs if they can so they'll they'll verify it then convert it to whatever format works best for them on their platform is the way that i would imagine it syphilis asks but how are celebrities going to photoshop themselves oh with plastic surgery and makeup the old way you know it's funny um i i was thinking about this the other day because I was watching Jurassic Park with my kids and how well that movie holds up because of like, like obviously for me as an adult, I'm watching the like, you know, the dinosaur poop, uh, scene where it's like, it's like upset or it has a gastrointestinal issue or, you know, whatever.

1:06:28Luke Lafreniere:And the doctor wants to look at it or something. Anyway, the point is, um, it's like, I'm looking at it going, Oh, that's a, that's a really high quality animatronic dinosaur. But like for my kids, the suspension of disbelief still works because it wasn't crappy CGI. And it kind of reminded me of how that art like kind of died in the early 2000s, like late 90s, when we when digital effects and movies really started taking off. Things like Star Wars, Phantom Menace, The Lord of the Rings. And going back and watching that stuff now, it's like, oh, those are really low poly. Digital hobbits, you know, running over that bridge in fellowship and stuff like that, right?

1:07:14Luke Lafreniere:And how 4K, the move to high definition, apparently just like rejuvenated the practical effects and makeup industries in film production. I don't know, I was just thinking about that. Yeah, yeah. That's all. I was just thinking about it. Dan, am I supposed to do a float plane announcement? Yeah, let's get float plane and sponsors out of the way and then we're just free until the end of the show. And then we're free balling? Free balling. Okay. Luke, have you ever made something that contributes nothing to society other than to get some LOLs, some LMFAOs, some XDs and the like? What are we doing right now?

1:07:51Luke Lafreniere:I guess. I don't know. Yeah, probably. Inspired by OpenSauce, Michael Reeves, and ZipTieTech, those types of folks, Sammy attempted to add recoil to his PC for shooter games. but not in the way that you might think oh so i do that's the kind of thing i would do sorry about that dan there we go of course it's at minute 17 so we're gonna watch the first we're gonna watch the first minute i recently went to open sauce and it really inspired me to make my own weird machine that doesn't really have any function for humanity and i remember this video it's not my favorite because there's anything flashy about the production or I think it's a value to me in my life.

1:08:38Luke Lafreniere:It's something so simple and it's so stupid. I have no experience in making jank stuff but I do have a bit of coding skills. Back in my university days because of the fact that I have one rule which is I'm allowed to make two calls to get help with the jank side of things I can't see why I'd fail. Righty tighty edit left.

1:08:58Linus Sebastian:What the am I, dude what the is this project? Oh, s***. That's so loud. What the? This mouse is terrible, man.

1:09:11Luke Lafreniere:Only a real loser blames our hardware.

1:09:13Linus Sebastian:That is me. I am a real loser. So this is my current setup. Solenoids and Arduino. This Raspberry Pi, I'm going to try and figure out how to code stuff into it.

1:09:23Luke Lafreniere:I think it's a very basic thing I need to figure out. So in a nutshell, this is one of our Floatplane exclusive this week. Sammy built a mouse that recoils as you're trying to aim um with the help of some co-workers some vibe coding and a lot of work um did you did you ever see it in operation no it's insane I don't think I could even hit the broad side of a barn with that thing like yeah it's anyway

1:09:58Linus Sebastian:Does it just full rip? Like can you do semi-auto and it'll just rock back once? Or is it just... Wow. Every shot rocks it back. Wow.

1:10:06Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. That's crazy. It's pretty cool. Anyway, you guys can check that out at lmg.gg slash floatplane. And now let's talk about some actual functional contributions to society. The new British Miller and Backpack is out. And Tatiana, our raw material product developer. Is that her job title? Interesting. Breaks down what makes it different from our other commuter backpack. Sammy says I cooked with the thumbnail not gonna lie

1:10:31Linus Sebastian:Okay, I think it's brilliant

1:10:35Luke Lafreniere:Thank you, thank you for that maybe the Guggenheim finally The sales pitch get a balance of meaningful societal contribution and pure entertainment at LMG.gg slash floatplane Sammy says rate today's notes out of wow this was amazing to you are the best employee we have sammy he's really not giving me much of a spectrum to work with here thank you sammy uh open sauce is spelled wrong and it's zip tie tuning not zip tie tech i know i wasn't gonna call him out on it thank you dan could it well it's both uh the show is brought to you today of course it could by proton proton drive is an encrypted ecosystem for backing up and organizing your photos docs and sheets with additional security tools for when you do need to share with friends and colleagues.

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1:15:24Luke Lafreniere:What do you want to hit next? I want to talk about Blizzard stuff There's a bunch of Blizzard stuff. All right, let's talk Blizzard stuff. Let's do it. I think you mean Activision Blizzard. Activision Blizzard owned by Microsoft Inc.

1:15:36Linus Sebastian:Sorry to pour cold water on it already. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But sure, carry on. Okay, so I mentioned the Diablo thing earlier where I thought Diablo got an expansion. Diablo 2 got an expansion, and they did get an expansion far beyond its release date, but that was earlier this year, not a recent announcement, so that is not a new thing. um it's it's an interesting trend though that i noticed at pax there was a panel for an expansion for the witcher 3 i thought that was crazy because the witcher 3 is like 11 years old or something uh how old is it was witcher release date yeah that feels kind of nuts uh but yeah it's 11 years old uh so witcher 3 is getting expansion i've heard grapevine that final fantasy 7 the like new remake is going to have expanded content um we we got this expansion for warcraft 3 which launched instantly when they announced it uh there there's like all this stuff going on uh with old games getting expansions and personally i'm all for it um i heard the announcement of the Warcraft 3 game, getting an expansion, and immediately closed down everything I was looking at and was like, I'm just going to play that.

1:16:52Linus Sebastian:I don't want to know anymore. It's on my notes. I just want to play it. I want to play it so bad. You don't want spoilers, right? Oh, heck no. Okay, so I'm not going to get into it too much. I've been having fun with it. I've been enjoying it.

1:17:04Luke Lafreniere:Is it supposed to be a campaign? I've spent some time with it. Like 10 missions? How many missions do we get?

1:17:10Linus Sebastian:I've seen so far two buttons, a prologue and a campaign for a certain group of people. I'm really trying to go no spoilers here. And I've played what feels like a decent amount and I'm still in the prologue. Okay. So like it does not feel short. That sounds great. It feels like I have not beat it yet. I have no idea how long it is. The main campaign might be like one mission. Who knows? But it feels like a Frozen Throne level game expansion. It feels like an expansion. I'm not saying quality. It's good. I'm having fun with it. It's not original release of Frozen Throne. Let's relax. How's the cinematics?

1:17:52Linus Sebastian:Cinematics are great, actually. The intro cinematic when you launch the game is freaking sick. Like original Blizzard freaking sick.

1:18:03Luke Lafreniere:Like is Warcraft 3? Dude, I don't know how I ended up down this rabbit hole, but I've been being fed like warcraft 3 videos i watched this just like it's probably 45 45 minute long grubby talk on like best best races i was just gonna mention grubby oh that is so funny i haven't touched warcraft 3 in over 10 years like why i'm watching this

1:18:29Linus Sebastian:i don't know but like i'm i'm not very good at warcraft 3 i never particularly was i really liked the custom games oh yeah i was really into like the tower defense games dude i watched like

1:18:41Luke Lafreniere:an hour and a half long video essay on how blizzard built like the the gift that they gave to the gaming community in the form of their map editor like which apparently they improved with this release no way yeah anyway they added a bunch of stuff it talks about the legacy of like map editor and like you know how that led to you know dota how all these ips completely walked out of out from under Blizzard's umbrella and like, I don't know, just, it was an interesting video essay. But I don't know. I've just been like, I've been, I've been working on like home automation stuff, which involves a lot of like walking around my house and like pressing inclusion buttons and like setting up, you know, programming of automations.

1:19:24Luke Lafreniere:That's just like kind of mind numbing tasks. So I've been watching a little bit of YouTube lately, like far more than I normally do. And it's been Warcraft three, baby. Yeah.

1:19:33Linus Sebastian:That's, that's funny.

1:19:34Luke Lafreniere:Go figure. I guess this This is why. This finally explains it.

1:19:36Linus Sebastian:Yeah. They made a decision with the campaign that I will...

1:19:43Luke Lafreniere:Wait, did I say Dota 2? Wait, yeah, Dota 2. What are you guys talking about? Dota 2 2? What are you guys talking about?

1:19:48Linus Sebastian:Oh, I said, does that mean we're going to get a Dota 2 if they have improved the map editor? That's a sort of joke. A Dota 2 2. I get it. Dota 2 2. I don't think this is a spoiler. So I'm going to go down the route. I don't think it's a spoiler because it's not about the story or anything like that. It's mostly like adventure missions. Cool. Not base building.

1:20:13Luke Lafreniere:Cool.

1:20:15Linus Sebastian:I think I've had one base building mission so far and it was very light on the base building and you still really had to do adventure stuff. More than you had to do base building. You honestly didn't have a ton of base building options and you had to largely explore and find things and beat a group in order to like... I mean, it's Warcraft, right? There's items. Yeah. And your character can like have items on them that augment them. And that system is expanded. I'm not going to get too into that. You'll figure that out. But yeah, I've been having fun with it. It feels like I'm playing a Warcraft 3 expansion.

1:20:55Linus Sebastian:Just straight up. It doesn't feel like I'm playing a Warcraft 3 expansion in 2026. It just feels like I'm playing a Warcraft 3 expansion. which is cool awesome i'm into it i've been i've been enjoying it now there was other stuff announced including and this we're going to change tune here a little bit um we're getting a new diablo game and a and a starcraft game uh they're still years ahead of release the starcraft trailer was wicked and then at the end of it they're like 2030 and you're like wait what what are we talking about um and diablo is far out as well i don't know exactly but it's like they're i think they're

1:21:33Luke Lafreniere:both three or four years away i could see myself hitting like 65 you know and kind of going you know what i'm just not gonna like pay attention to the news anymore because i'd rather just not know that there's new media coming that i'm not going to be alive to see yeah like 65 is not that old dude i know but like when a game is five years out now then it's going to be probably even even more than it'll be they'll be announcing things that are 10 years out yeah like what's the go into a well i have the will i have the eyesight and hand coordination to play them probably not

1:22:07Linus Sebastian:by the time i'm well you'll just have like a robot arm attached to your real arm that whips your hand around in the ways that you're thinking that it should be moving right so you don't have to have the muscle response they already built that there's it's already a real thing it's just it's just we gotta get some tens devices in here was it basically homeless who did that yeah yeah

1:22:26Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was awesome.

1:22:27Linus Sebastian:Maybe a little bit less violent than basically Elmless's implementation. Yeah. Someone says StarCraft will totally get canceled. Yeah, so there's some history here, right? There's StarCraft Ghost. Where's it? Where's Ghost?

1:22:41Luke Lafreniere:Don't say that. No. It looked so cool. I was literally in high school drooling over StarCraft Ghost trailers. Like, where is it?

1:22:55Linus Sebastian:For multiple reasons. It looked so cool. Yeah. And it was weird that they announced them so far ahead of time. It's like they've learned nothing here. And this got some people speculating that maybe they've actually learned a lot, but it's different lessons than you might think. What they might have learned is that this may not have been communication to us. This may have been communication to Microsoft. and our interest in these games might be being used to communicate to Microsoft hey don't lay us off we're making cool things we're gonna make you a bunch of money keep us around right everyone loved the Starcraft trailer don't you want to release this game in four years a lot of people really liked the Diablo trailer and what we said about it don't you want to release this game in however many years right okay that type of stuff is this is what it takes though for them to like make the things that gamers want like all this whenever you it's man it's one of

1:23:56Luke Lafreniere:those things where it's like i don't want to i don't want to dunk on a company for like making something that i want but when they like don't make something that i want for a really really really long time and then finally some outside influence pressures them to do it it's like so you knew what i wanted the whole time i'm not gonna lie you know what i mean this was the first

1:24:16Linus Sebastian:Blizzcon in a really long time. You knew what we wanted the whole time.

1:24:28Linus Sebastian:This was the first Blizzcon in a really long time that felt like they were kind of activated again. And the trailers felt, for the most part, pretty in tune with what the audience wanted. The Starcraft trailer was gritty. Did you watch it? no i haven't seen it my god i think i think a lot of people were watching the trailer being like yeah this is pretty cool all right i like the general vibe and then how it ends dan oh yeah i think people were like oh i uh i was really happy that somebody's like

1:25:03Luke Lafreniere:you know doing that type of ending yeah and it because everything is so rainbow sunshines even in like the gritty grimdark stuff and for them to just be like no this is this is what you're

1:25:14Linus Sebastian:doing to these people it's real a lot of blizzard stuff wasn't right like a lot of a lot of blizzard stuff uh once you started getting to starcraft and warcraft were heavily inspired by warhammer

1:25:24Luke Lafreniere:but i mean more more like the marketing material was always like yeah these are our marines and they're super cool and powerful and rah rah instead of maybe a bit more cinematic type media where it's like, no, this is quite real. This isn't about a character being a hero. You know, that sort of thing.

1:25:42Linus Sebastian:But they had that, like a lot of the Warcraft cinematics were pretty... No, no, no, no, no. Marketing material. Not cinematics. A lot of Blizzard marketing material was still pretty brutal.

1:25:53Luke Lafreniere:Not like this. Never seen something like this before.

1:25:56Linus Sebastian:At least not for a while. Not the ending of the StarCraft trailer, sure. I think it's just a lot of people have been seeing certain games going in directions that they don't necessarily want. and I think Blizzard was kind of bringing it back to you know this is war this is it was really good yeah I'm very excited it's cool it looked it looked I mean it was a really great BlizzCon it's just interesting because I've heard some people rumbling about like do I even bother going to BlizzCon for four years because they really just announced the whole roadmap it feels like so like is next year just going to be the same thing uh you know maybe maybe you get a gameplay demo or something um but probably not for starcraft it's still pretty far out but anyways yeah two two basically takeaways is blizzcon seemed really awesome uh most of the announcements seemed really great the starcraft trailer looked really great though i i'm so down with old games getting expansions i'm so stoked about the warcraft expansion just existing there's a whole new

1:27:01Luke Lafreniere:generation of gamers that exists now that didn't exist when warcraft 3 came out so i i can actually even though it's not a game as a service and it doesn't have a subscription i could totally see them selling like buckets and buckets of copies to kids whose parents are like there's a really good game i played it before also there's a new content pack and it's kind of hot right now try it out like i would tell my kids to try warcraft 3 for sure i am happy with my purchase of the

1:27:26Linus Sebastian:Workout 3 campaign so far. We'll see if that stays true through the end. But so far I'm happy with it. I think that's really cool. The WoW forever announcement seems to be... People seem to be... You know, it's mixed. It's always going to be mixed. People seem pretty happy overall though. Yeah, BlizzCon seemed to be a hit. Cool.

1:27:54Linus Sebastian:Not in particular.

1:28:01Linus Sebastian:What the heck? This sounds fun. Dumpster Diver builds HomeLab Proxmox server from weekly landfill runs for SSDs, hard drives, GPUs, and even RAM. A user on r slash HomeLab built said server with PC parts they found scavenging electronics bins at their country landfill. County. County landfill. They found all that stuff, and even an old Asus ROG laptop that only needed a$25 Amazon replacement battery. Wow. It's running a Core i7 mobile chip from 2014. Okay. 16 gigs of RAM. That's pretty good. Compared with the GeForce GTX 860M 2GB GPU. It's now their son's casual gaming machine. Cool. The Proxmox server is mostly comprised of scavenged finds, two mirrored 256GB SSDs for the operating system, one terabyte SSD for fast storage, and three two terabyte hard drives for ZFS storage.

1:28:55Linus Sebastian:However, the user does admit they bought an Intel Core i7-7700 CPU and 64 gigs of RAM on Amazon to finish the server build. Dang.

1:29:05Luke Lafreniere:Pretty cool, hey? It's been very frustrating for me that our local regulations do not allow this kind of thing. Yeah. So whenever something gets taken to the dump because somebody doesn't want it anymore, instead of having a bin like this or having any way for anybody to recover it it's like considered condemned and I guess for liability reasons nobody's allowed to touch it there's no salvaging and like I've been at the dump dropping stuff off before watching people throw away stuff that I would want I've tried to take things this sucks but this sucks so much it could just not go in there I would take it away with me and I would use it and I'd be happy and they'd probably be

1:29:46Linus Sebastian:happier everyone would be happier there was a pallet of computers being dropped off at the recycling depot when i was there handing in bottles years ago and i tried to take the whole pallet i was like i can make this easier for you you don't have to unload it i'll unload the whole thing i'll get rid of all the waste i'll i'll clean it all up for you won't have to do anything just let me take let me take all these computers i'll i'll find a use for them um and they were like no and then i was like can i pay you and they were like no literally it's like illegal and that's how i figured out about that law is stupid you've seen all my imacs and macbooks right

1:30:25Luke Lafreniere:i only got all of those because one of my old co-workers used to have a second job at the recycling depot and he would just kind of take them and then we would fix them up and give them

1:30:35Linus Sebastian:back to the community it's like you know it's unfortunate that what that person did is probably not okay he did ask he did ask oh it was totally fine but probably because he was an employee there

1:30:46Luke Lafreniere:was like the liability issue you cannot just have the public come take stuff um yeah but most of

1:30:52Linus Sebastian:them were fine and for somebody who needs a basic internet machine and reuse is like the coolest r and you frankenstein them back together into one good machine and then you just take the rest

1:31:04Luke Lafreniere:of the parts back to the recycling place it's not the best r but it's the coolest one reduce Reduce is the best R Yeah Yeah

1:31:14Linus Sebastian:Yeah

1:31:15Luke Lafreniere:Um You know if it's already there Yes yes yes it's not the hardest R We know you guys calm down

1:31:22Linus Sebastian:I wasn't even going there Steam frame let's do it That's one I want to talk about I just scrolled up and saw it and was like Ah

1:31:36Linus Sebastian:I put in a reserve It's just a reserve I didn't have to put in a deposit or anything, but I put in a reserve. You've got to make sure the appropriate content is up.

1:31:53Luke Lafreniere:Okay, it's on. This has the Ergo Kit. I actually had a buddy of mine who's in the Southeast Asia region tell me that apparently the Ergo Kit is not available in that region. What? Which really sucks because the ergonomics of it without the top strap are not amazing. So it's a Velcro on the top and then those are sliders on the sides. Yep. So you just... I assume it was going to be pretty small for you.

1:32:25Yep.

1:32:31Linus Sebastian:What do you think of the controllers?

1:32:33Luke Lafreniere:I do not prefer them.

1:32:36Linus Sebastian:But you can use the old ones, right? Oh, the screen's all right.

1:32:41Luke Lafreniere:You can use the other ones with some kajiggering.

1:32:45Linus Sebastian:Is there something for the nose guy?

1:32:47Luke Lafreniere:There's a different nose skirt. I don't know actually which one's on that one right now. I need to play around and figure out which one's the right one.

1:32:54Linus Sebastian:The blue pass-through is totally fine. I don't think I would get that module for all the colors. No, wouldn't bother. You just need to make sure you're not bonking things. Oh, it's not amazing, though.

1:33:04Luke Lafreniere:Oh, it's horrible. Yeah, what the heck? very nauseating compared to headsets that cost three times more like the vision pro honestly i don't even think it's as good as metas yeah no this is i think the worst one i've ever used

1:33:18Linus Sebastian:it doesn't really matter i guess it's not the primary thing i'm doing oh where are the speakers

1:33:26Luke Lafreniere:they are coming around they're like yeah they're here somewhere okay or sorry more like here i prefer the indexes me too the indexes speakers are better just objectively definitively they're better so what's the deal here i see cyberpunk i'm assuming that's not running natively on this nope um so you were streaming that from your computer uh i wasn't playing cyberpunk um okay

1:33:56Linus Sebastian:so this has like a bunch of this is the heaviest thing you ran locally i haven't i haven't recently

1:34:01Luke Lafreniere:I mean, I think Alex is probably the heaviest thing that you can run locally. Valve put a lot of work into optimizing it. So you could fire up Alex.

1:34:11Luke Lafreniere:Moltar says, you don't sound like you like it. I like it. It's complicated. It's not the better in absolutely every way slam dunk that we might have hoped for after seven years. Right? It's, but the killer app, which is of course wireless streaming, which Luke is not getting to experience right now. The killer app is killer and it's, it's going to change. It's going to completely change the ergonomics of my streaming setup. I don't have to have the stupid base stations that are, have low wife approval factor. When we play mixed V mixed reality VR games or like, like hybrid VR games that there's couch players and also a vr player switching between different people i don't have to worry about like managing the the strap or managing the tether uh so it's just it's like it's just simpler um the controllers are easier for randoms to just pick up and immediately use so like the ergonomic improvements are huge i can i can move my computer and completely fix the cable management that i really don't like in that room because i don't have to have everything like routed through my console anymore um like it's it's just a better product that isn't the quantum leap forward that we might have wanted in terms of screen quality or or latency it's just it's as good as the index it's i mean better in terms of resolution at least um if it had been oled i'd be raving about it i'd be like you you pay anything get one um but it isn't and for good reason oled is really really power intensive um and these these lightweight thin pancake optics require intense brightness that was either going to be a burn-in issue or a power consumption issue in order to drive the screens bright enough and already it struggles on battery life um the i was disappointed by the battery life while streaming i thought the streaming battery life would be i was i was hoping for almost double of running it standalone and i did not get that okay i'm done talking now

1:36:24Linus Sebastian:if you have anything that you want to say yeah i mean i can i can take it off now no it's up to you for a fully mobile experience this seems pretty good i i would my goal for this would not have been for a fully mobile experience though my goal for this would be foveated streaming from my desktop um the screen it's it feels pretty light um i don't know if this is true It feels way lighter than the vision pro though. Oh, yeah, how would you what's the weight difference? Thousand pounds.

1:37:01Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, it feels it feels yeah way like making a VR headset out of metal and glass was the second Biggest mistake that Apple made with the vision pro.

1:37:10Linus Sebastian:What's the first one making it at all?

1:37:14Luke Lafreniere:refusing to make a VR headset by, by, by trying so hard to be a spatial computer rather than a VR headset and ignoring the two primary use cases for VR, which are gaming and porn. Apple doomed it to absolute utter failure. Like I actually do think even at that price, there could have been, there could have been a future for that device. device if apple just understood what people are using these devices for and um because it would be the best at either of those things yeah if apple created an environment where it could excel

1:37:57Linus Sebastian:in them yeah you're not uh you're not wrong i don't know how to do anything like the display is so good on the vision pro it's so good yeah this isn't this isn't the best display i've ever

1:38:08Luke Lafreniere:used no it's not no the the the orange blue lcd pixel arrangement fringing is very noticeable the

1:38:18Linus Sebastian:pixel response time is not amazing yeah that i'm feeling that right now like a lot yeah like the

1:38:25Luke Lafreniere:persistence is like kind of rough not as good as your big screen beyond 2 have you tried it yet

1:38:31Linus Sebastian:yes okay quite happy all right then um it's it feels great it oh yeah i knew this just from the aesthetics from the outside but even when you're wearing it it feels like you're wearing some weird future device um i'm yeah i'm i'm i'm very happy with it i don't know how much time i'll be able to spend in it i'm still interested in this um i don't know if i'll get one for like a while i don't know if i'm going to keep my reserve or not but i knew that when i put the reserve in yeah so like there's no there's no consequences if you cancel it so it doesn't really matter yeah and someone else will take it i'm sure yes but this is still very interesting for you know having in the living room where more people can use it and yeah um the ergonomics man the ergonomics seemed great it's light it was very fast for me to adjust this so that it fit fine on me I can just jump in and play and it's good I can notice yeah if I look away from somewhere I can tell that it gets worse and then when I look at it it gets better I swear that's happening right now so not this isn't even like the foveated streaming thing so I don't know what's up with that

1:39:52Luke Lafreniere:not on the streaming so streaming you won't notice that okay I'm noticing that right now

1:39:56Linus Sebastian:not streaming um like if i if i look there's this great right here on my screen if i look straight forward there's a it looks like it's like vibrating there's look it looks like it's

1:40:09Luke Lafreniere:like failing anti-aliasing and if i look at it it goes perfect so running demanding titles on

1:40:18Linus Sebastian:i mean it's it's not amazing hardware right it's amazing what valve is doing on in software

1:40:25Luke Lafreniere:to make that hardware be able to run x86 games yeah that's pretty cool yeah like you could you could fire up hades 2 on a on a big screen display and that'll that'll run natively on the hardware which is pretty sick okay i'm gonna try to get out of this game

1:40:41Linus Sebastian:there we go um i almost yeah okay cool the pass through is not on i was gonna say i'd almost rather generally just never see the pass through it's pretty bad yeah it's bad enough that i i don't want to mess with it like at all i still prefer that it exists but yeah okay hades

1:41:06Luke Lafreniere:just sitting in like you know enjoying a big screen gaming experience with it pretty cool i wouldn't want to use these controllers unfortunately with you have bigger hands so maybe it's less of an issue but reaching the uh the abxy puts my thumb at kind of a weird angle

1:41:20Linus Sebastian:yeah mine defaults to touching all four of them yeah there you go then then you're good but i will also say i don't prefer these okay i like the index ones more well at least some of that's

1:41:35Luke Lafreniere:got to be familiarity i mean i really like the the strap around the back of your hand

1:41:40Linus Sebastian:for the ergo kit you can get that for these okay yeah because the the idea that this is actually different like not pressing a button but having your hands closed or open is technically an input uh makes it so that the strap around the back of your your hand is actually quite important in my opinion oh yeah um i personally don't care at all about the like big screen gaming experience um that has never meant anything to me um i understand people really like that but i

1:42:12Luke Lafreniere:i don't care on a plane what about on a plane or on a train or on an automobile

1:42:20Linus Sebastian:I haven't tried it I

1:42:26Linus Sebastian:don't think I would care that much

1:42:32Linus Sebastian:maybe I would it might be nice but like I'm not going to sit at home and be like yeah I want to play Hades 2 on my index but maybe on a plane train or automobile

1:42:44Luke Lafreniere:Shrey Modi says don't dismiss the color pass-through module, please, Linus. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be dismissive of it. Maybe someone has a use for it. I just really don't care about pass-through.

1:42:55Linus Sebastian:What would the use for that be? I'm not being like, oh, I don't think there is one. I'm curious what the chat would say the use for that is. Because for me, the only reason why I would turn it on is to make sure I'm not going to step into something. And this blue thing, I can see stuff, so I won't walk into things that I shouldn't walk into. Or if I like stub my toe on something I can turn on the pass through see what it was and then go back into the game And I'm not gonna buy an additional module to be able to do that And also I can like see objects with this one just fine. It just kind of sucks.

1:43:29Linus Sebastian:So I would rather have it off But it doesn't really matter AR so like

1:43:35Luke Lafreniere:Sim cockpit so you can see buttons and screen colors and okay. Yeah, totally Apparently according to Shrey Mahdi it lets you record spatial videos at a higher quality than the Vision Pro Really? That's cool Timmy says you could use it as a spy cam on a date That's a joke obviously. Yeah, because this is this is not exactly subtle.

1:43:55Linus Sebastian:Yeah Hold on babe. Yeah, let me let me jump in VR and not interact with you at all. Yeah. Yeah, okay That's cool. The the sim rig thing totally makes sense um i would if if your goal for this then was to have this thing for a sim rig i would not want to just stick with the blue i'll say that much um i also don't know i don't know where the price points of different things are right now but having like very recently used um big screen beyond i would not use this for a sim rig where you're going to be sat in one spot static I would use something like a Big Screen Beyond or a Tethered Experience.

1:44:38Linus Sebastian:That being said, Big Screen Beyond might be way more expensive. I don't know where the prices for these things are right now. I mean, you need a computer for the BSB. Are you doing a SIM rig entirely built off of just this?

1:44:51Luke Lafreniere:No, you wouldn't, would you? Yeah, BSB kind of.

1:44:54Linus Sebastian:I don't think that's technically a factor. It's a good point, but... Yeah, I'm not sure. Man, now I just want to play Hades 2. and like to be clear I mean I'm having fun with it yeah I am I am having fun with it um so yeah I mean it seems it seems good the the problem for me right now is oh it's warm

1:45:15Luke Lafreniere:yeah and it's not just warm it also has cooling um so I find my eyes get a little dry and that's like a major contrast between this and the big screen beyond in the big screen beyond I described it as swamp eye i get a little bit like especially if i'm doing okay it's off especially if i'm doing something physical big screen definitely there's no there's no airflow yeah whereas this i can like feel the breeze past my eyelashes um so i so my eyes can get a little bit

1:45:48Linus Sebastian:dry gotcha yeah thousand usb to compare to a 600 usd unfavorably is not optimal huh what's 600 usd

1:45:57Luke Lafreniere:which thing in that equation is 600 us oh yeah the big screen beyond is not 600 us no chance it's in a higher price bracket compared to the steam frame oh the quest is yeah we're not talking about the quest 3 though remember remember we literally know how much your personal data tied to having to use a meta account and all of that stuff is worth to facebook we literally know because i believe it was quest 2 they had a version of the headset that was a commercial headset that didn't have any of the ads baked in, and it was like twice the price. So you're still paying. You're still paying frame pricing.

1:46:34Luke Lafreniere:You're just paying it in the form of meta ads. And if that's okay with you, that's a personal choice. I've recommended meta quests to people in the past. And for many applications, they're pretty great. But don't pretend that it's half the price. It's not. You're just paying a different way. It's like someone saying, okay, commuter backpack over there. Do you want to grab it? It's like, yeah, it's$100. Also, I'll take your pinky finger. Is it a$100 backpack? No, it's not. It's a$200 backpack. Gmail is free.

1:47:19Luke Lafreniere:WorkSafe, BC, how much compensation losing a pinky? Hold on, let's find out just exactly how much a pinky is worth. Gotta be more than a hundred bucks. You'd be surprised, brother. Don't tell me this. WorkSafe BC, I went through, this was years ago, I have no idea what it is now, but at some point I went through and was like, oh yeah, you know, is there, I was like a teenager or something. I think I was, I was at my first job, I was working at the pool. So I was like, like how, how maimed could be worth it? You know what I mean? and the answer is um not at all they're all surprisingly small uh payouts um okay norm's wrist blah blah blah where's the actual okay hands uh came out a carpool one quarter loss one third loss like it gets pretty complicated um but i found a version of it that was quite a bit um quite a bit simpler restricted range of movement to so like and they care like which pinky it is like this is what applies to like index and middle fingers um okay can we please just so total ring finger a 2.03 modifier where's the bloody summary okay i think no this this document is like the the hardcore like how they calculate it document i need just like the basic summary one

1:49:00Luke Lafreniere:my friend lost a finger uh okay last i checked i thought it was a max of five thousand dollars per digit um so yeah that wouldn't be a great deal a finger and a hundred dollars for a commuter bag i would suggest you not take that offer that's why i wanted to kind of get into that well what's the legality around all of that like if i actually was like you can have a free one if you cut off your finger and hand it to me like is that is that legal i don't think so yeah you

1:49:29Linus Sebastian:would hope not right i don't think so yeah okay so don't take any of that seriously because then

1:49:35Luke Lafreniere:we're both in trouble you don't have a finger and then i have a lot of explaining to do these are

1:49:40Linus Sebastian:just the thoughts of a tesla driver an extra finger for some reason yeah yeah now you have to deal with that what am i gonna do with it it's gonna go click right away like glue it onto your

1:49:50Luke Lafreniere:hold on hold on wasn't there wasn't that like a thing like like like tequilas that had like thumbs in them or something like that yeah that's right yeah worms and fingers yeah so how were other body parts yeah where did they get the thumbs they get the fingers like if people don't volunteer oh very legal says people um yeah surely you can't have someone voluntarily amputate something like that has to be legal because there would like almost by definition there would have to be coercion involved like you can't possibly sour toe cocktail someone's talking about yeah if vickis okay yeah yeah yeah it's just covered by it being illegal to buy and sell body parts okay there you go okay excellent okay good this is all taken good dawson in the yukon has an old tavern with a drink with a toe in it or something yeah this is what i'm thinking of it's like a yukon thing right the sour toe was it yeah i'm not oh man yeah but the body screen sharing that the body part is free it's free because he's paying you a hundred dollars and he's getting a backpack but he also has to you know yeah i think we're just you know serving foods illegal so you you sell a paper towel that comes with a cheese sandwich on it durasol says you can drink it fast you can drink it slow but your lips have to touch the toe that's brutal that's great that's that would i think i would quite quite probably vomit from having to try something like that.

1:51:24Luke Lafreniere:Oh, we had one for a long time that had a seahorse in it. Ugh. Ew. Oh, ew. No. Oh, no. I think we still have it. They give me the willies, Dan. I think we still have it. They give me the willies. I'm terribly sorry. Yeah, no.

1:51:38Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I'm going to jump off. I think it's the same toe. Yeah, thanks for that. Can you just put the toe away?

1:51:45Luke Lafreniere:What's wrong with you people?

1:51:47Linus Sebastian:I don't think it's like a separate toe every time.

1:51:49Luke Lafreniere:No, no, it is. It's the same toe.

1:51:51Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

1:51:51Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, it just like is in the bottle. And it's like never rots because it's just like basically embalmed in there.

1:51:57Linus Sebastian:It's mummified, yeah.

1:51:58Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Okay. Crazy. Amazon has confirmed in dashboard updates on Monday that some customer data that was destroyed in the Iranian drone strikes back in March cannot be recovered. The Buran region was hit the hardest with everything stored only there gone. on. In the UAE, two-thirds of the region survived, but data that was kept solely in the third section of it was also lost. AWS builds each region out of physically separate data center clusters so that one site going down can't take out your data, and the company says this damage, unfortunately, in spite of that, exceeded what our regional and multi-AZ services are designed to withstand.

1:52:42Luke Lafreniere:Customers with backups or copies in other regions were able to restore everything, So permanent losses hit whoever kept their only copy in what ultimately ended up being the damaged infrastructure. This is the first confirmed military attack on a hyperscale cloud provider, and the first time that AWS has admitted customer data was destroyed beyond recovery.

1:53:07Linus Sebastian:I wanted to stay, even though I'm at time, because of the discussion question. The discussion question is, this topic was suggested by Robot Space Bear on the LTT subreddit, who asked whether the 3-2-1 backup rule is worth anything if your off-site copy sits down the road in the same war-torn region. What's the right amount of redundancy, and how far away does a backup need to live before you call it safe? This is the whole point of the 3-2-1 backup.

1:53:34Luke Lafreniere:This is why we don't have LMG's off-site backup copy on a server at my house. It's not even in BC. Well, some amount of it is. I could buy five gigabit internet for my house tomorrow from TELUS. It's not even expensive. And we could just sync to my house every night. Why don't we do that? Because we live on a fault line.

1:53:54Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

1:53:55Luke Lafreniere:And that would be silly. That would be a super silly thing to do.

1:53:58Linus Sebastian:So it's backed up very far from here. It's also backed up close, but there is more than one backup.

1:54:05Luke Lafreniere:And we're not going to give, and I told you so. I mean, we've lost data before. Not at all. And sometimes, you know, there's reasons that it could be really hard.

1:54:12Linus Sebastian:The only reason why I wanted to really stay for this wasn't because of when I told you so, it was just because of it. This doesn't defeat the purpose of 3-2-1. This is the purpose of 3-2-1.

1:54:23Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

1:54:25Linus Sebastian:I was surprised. The 3 is very important.

1:54:28Luke Lafreniere:I was surprised that Amazon's resiliency to this was not better.

1:54:36Linus Sebastian:I'm not so much. There's some amount of control. I'm not an AWS guy, so I might get some of this wrong. But I believe there's some amount of control when you are setting things up of how duplicated you want things to be. Okay. So some of it is like customer decision. You might not want to pay. Right. There might be data that's not really worth having a bunch of copies of, and that's fine.

1:54:58Luke Lafreniere:And you might have assumed because cloud storage, well, it's been really reliable up till now, so it's probably going to continue to be really reliable forever. But that drone strike.

1:55:08Linus Sebastian:Yeah. so it's like it could still be a loss for amazon because they want to be able to survive some amount of failure even if you only have it in one location yeah but bolster says yep if you choose a single zone dual zone multi-continent etc so if if you had a multi-continent setup then this you would have been fine you're still fine so this ultimately comes down to the customers making a choice then i um which you know what maybe you didn't have the funds to do multi-continent yeah Like it might not be a choice that you wanted to make, but it's still.

1:55:39Luke Lafreniere:I could also see certain types of data not being the kind of thing that you would want moved somewhere else.

1:55:48Linus Sebastian:Oh, yeah. Okay. So like sovereignty, whatever. There's some of that. There's some. Sammy, check phone. Hold on.

1:55:59Linus Sebastian:I don't even think he messaged me. Sammy. Bro.

1:56:11Linus Sebastian:Whatever. Anyways, yeah, I got to get out of here. But yeah, 321 is important when it's important. It might not be that important. You might have had stuff running in that data center that is like, you know, servers you could spin up anywhere on a dime. and they just needed to process things and they have ephemeral information anyways. So who cares? Yeah. And there's a ton of other reasons why this might've happened. There's also a ton of reasons why you might've just lost your data. Maybe you need it to be in just this area for sovereignty reasons, whatever. Yeah, or legal reasons. Or legal reasons.

1:56:47Linus Sebastian:But yeah, I just, I saw this take and was like, what? No, this doesn't defeat the purpose of 321. It's like -

1:56:54Luke Lafreniere:it's just it the 321 wasn't done so i had a couple people in some cases it was i'm sure except for the ones where the data was lost yes um so so with that said technically like the same region it does follow the rule it follows the letter of the 321 law so it's it's three total copies of your data on two different storage media types with one copy off-site right so technically down the road at my house is off site i have but it's not off site i have

1:57:25Linus Sebastian:taken my own interpret or interpretation yeah i don't care much about the two me neither actually

1:57:31Luke Lafreniere:i think that because i don't think i'm gonna burn everything to dvds like i could i don't i don't

1:57:37Linus Sebastian:care too much about the two um i care a lot about the three and i take the one to more of an extreme

1:57:45Luke Lafreniere:degree the off site should be far to me having the same data on my windows laptop provided by dell who sponsored the show uh and then backing it up to my zfs nas that feels that is that's good enough for the two that's two they're both hard drive or actually not but let's say it was a solid state now it's like they're technically the same media type but they are not they're not interactive they're not interacting with each other in any way there's there's not a disaster that could impact one that would also take out the other one um well but i don't know what that said like you know earthquake right it could take out every hardware but then i should have it i should have a separate one like a completely different region anyway even if it is on the

1:58:31Linus Sebastian:same yeah charged nuclei says emp like okay yeah i'm not saying the word uh well i'll just call

1:58:37Luke Lafreniere:yeah yeah so we're good uh google announced a new experimental cc ai agent for families google labs launched cc last december as a personal agent and its daily summary feature later became gemini's daily brief thursday's announcement expands it into a shared agent for households cc gets its own google account with a distinct identity and up to six family members can collaborate with the same agent. Each person controls what it sees. So you might share emails from your kid's school and the vet while your partner shares the swim center schedule. CC sorts through everything shared with it, builds a daily brief for the whole family, and handles tasks like pre-filling class registration PDFs, checking live drive times between activities, and creating shared docs and sheets.

1:59:29Luke Lafreniere:Every CC runs on its own isolated cloud computer using google's agent framework um and it uses current gemini models okay the agent builds a shared memory as the family uses it learning which facts belong to the whole household and which belong to one person so the grocery list is everyone's but your dietary preferences stay yours it also asks before acting on tasks like submitting forms the experiment is us only for adults 18 and up so the kids who schedules this thing is built to manage can't have accounts on it. Clearly, there's still some things to be worked out. But man, I got to say, even though it makes me deeply uncomfortable, and I don't want to use it, I would rather put in the work to build an AI agent that runs locally that can do all this stuff and pay what will ultimately be thousands of dollars up front in order to get anything even close to this functionality.

2:00:21Luke Lafreniere:I don't want this, but I can see this easily being the killer app that gets people just going, Oh yeah, my, my AI assistant, how did I ever live without it? Um, literally just tell me what lesson I need to go pick my kids up from. Um, like this honestly sounds like an absolutely killer app, um, for people who don't want to go and set all of that stuff up on their own, which uh seraph in floatplane chat mentioned odysseus just now um odysseus from my experience is not quite as simple to set up as some folks might wish it was or kind of sell it as it's it's very cool and it can be a very powerful tool but um getting it's on certain hardware I'll say that on certain hardware, getting certain models up and running with it was not just plug and play, whereas like LM Studio was like.

2:01:26Luke Lafreniere:So it really it's going to your mileage may definitely vary using something like using something like Odysseus. We've got a couple more topics that I'll get through and then we can do some we can do some comms. California could be forced well forced is a strong word could acquiesce and gut net neutrality in order to get federal broadband funding and this is just one of those things we've kind of followed the net neutrality saga as it's become a conversation and then kind of faded into the background over the last decade or so on August 31st the NTIA so the National Telecommunications and Information Administration announced$1.4 billion in new funding to expand broadband in California, but the funding comes with some strings attached.

2:02:11Luke Lafreniere:California is one of few states with a strong net neutrality law, which prevents ISPs from blocking, throttling, zero rating, or instituting paid prioritization on internet service, which is one of those things where I just, it makes my brain explode, and I go, how is this political? this is just obviously a good idea the internet should be an information superhighway and isps should not get to decide what is allowed to you know drive at full speed down the road um it just is obviously a a net greater good benefit and i'm just i'm so exhausted with things that are just obviously good turning into political flashpoints.

2:03:07Luke Lafreniere:It's mind-numbing. Anyway, a provision in this deal says that California has to agree to not impose any sort of restrictions on ISPs for 14 years. That provision would not only kill net neutrality in the state, but it could also eliminate a$20 a month internet plan for low-income Californians, a plan the state insisted upon to approve the merger of Verizon and Frontier earlier this year. The deal could also negatively impact public safety. In 2018, before the neutrality law was enacted, Verizon throttled the services of firefighters while they were actively battling what was then the largest wildfire in California history, an action that ultimately led to many of those fire departments becoming strong supporters of net neutrality because net neutrality is obviously a good idea.

2:03:57Luke Lafreniere:I just am so tired of stuff like this. Oh, Magnetic Flux says, Linus, you mean good for consumers? I'm sure this could be bad for evil companies wanting to pay ISPs to throttle competitors. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, that's what I'm talking about. You open up, like, once you open the floodgates to allowing ISPs to decide who gets good service and who gets shoddy service, you will end up within shittification. It's just a matter of, like, how shitt it's going to be and how long it's going to take before they figured out how to extract every last dollar out of it. It's just obviously a bad idea.

2:04:42Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Luke had to go. So we've got one more topic, and then we're going to do some... Oh, two more topics, and then we'll do some comms. Sorry, guys, I know. Normally it wouldn't happen, but we had that long stream today doing the Asus 20th anniversary build. This is cool, though. a solo dev enabled running CUDA on AMD hardware and windows, getting multiple CUDA libraries running on an RX 9060 XT GPU. Their username is speed stew. Nice. And they released CUDA for AMD windows on GitHub. I like the name very descriptive. It manages to run CUDA only workloads on AMD hardware and windows without the need for any dual booting virtualization or window subsystem for Linux.

2:05:25Luke Lafreniere:so basically very little faffing about some context here cuda is nvidia's software slash language stack that almost all of modern ai is built around it's arguably one of the biggest reasons why nvidia has been at the center of running and training ai models it's it's just frankly it's really good even when competitors manage to match or slightly beat nvidia's hardware they still struggle to capture market share because cuda has almost two decades of tools libraries, tutorials, and developer experience that's built around it. So switching to another company's chips means rewriting or retesting a lot of code.

2:06:01Luke Lafreniere:For the project, the dev paired Zluda, an open source translation layer that lets NVIDIA CUDA applications run on non-NVIDIA hardware, so typically AMD GPUs, along with AMD's own version of CUDA called HIP on Windows, and then wrapping it all in an automated installer. As a proof of concept, the dev trained a 2.2 million parameter reinforcement learning network with unmodified CUDA libraries on an RX9060XT. however while this is extremely impressive some issues are present for example less performance because of the need for the translation layer and the project documentation also specifically states this does not mean that every CUDA program or AI model will work CUDA API slash library coverage is workload dependent our discussion topic which I guess I'll discuss with you guys is this is from our writer here I think an interesting parallel to this story is Valve's Proton because it also is functionally a translation layer but rather than translating CUDA it translates DirectX.

2:06:59Luke Lafreniere:Are there any other parallels that come to mind? I mean this is something that I've been thinking about slash talking with people about a lot but I think we are headed into a future where platform portability is finally getting better again. Like in the very early days of computing, everything was super proprietary. Every chip had some weird funky wonky instruction set and programs had to be written specifically for like that stupid model, that stupid computer. Like it was a really exciting time, obviously a time of incredible growth and innovation, but it was also sort of hampered by like lousy interoperability and then for a long while we had just kind of like the the the Wintel alliance that led to other than Mac which at times had very very little market share meant that just like everything just like kind of worked this this this piece of software I could use it on my computer or my friend's computer or the computer at work or realistically some computer at any one of those locations 10 years from now and and all of that legacy code would probably still still run transparently to the user and then we've kind of drifted from there as the data center has moved on to like arm as mobile computing has moved on to arm um and i feel like you know apple really really proved it out in a in a very consumer facing way but this this ability to create translation layers that just operate transparently to the user and allow us to run software that was designed for completely different isas and and just run like and i'm not talking about like like kind of run like like in the old days when you could like you could run it but the performance sucked like i'm talking you know 100 plus frames per second 3d applications that are running without without hitching and without stuttering um it's really giving me a lot of hope for um lower cost computing in the future more accessible computing like the trends the transition from all the disparate systems to consolidation on x86 took like a really long time and then you know x86 sort of moving to to arm like windows on arms actually like kind of getting pretty good now apple's transitioned over to arm uh the data center's been on arm for a while that took like kind of a really long time but i feel like the move that feels inevitable to risk um risk five specifically just because it's free of like licensing fees it's kind of kind of incredible Nobody like owns it, which is so cool.

2:09:57Luke Lafreniere:It feels like it could happen like really, really fast this time. And just as someone who just kind of loves cool technology and just loves the idea of, you know, my software running on my hardware when I want to do it, I find the whole thing really exciting. So seeing this kind of portability where, yeah, I can do the scrappy. I could buy the official one, you know, I could buy the NVIDIA one and run the NVIDIA software and everything works and NVIDIA validates it. Or like I can do the scrappy one. I can get this other hardware and I can just like run it a little bit slower. It's so good for grassroots.

2:10:37Luke Lafreniere:It's so good for innovation. It's so good for people who are learning or who don't have the money for that, you know, it just works. Pre-packaged solution. I can't see a downside here from like a consumer standpoint. speaking of things with downsides for consumers um smart glasses meta is reportedly ready to launch some um like non-pervy smart glasses codename luna without cameras meanwhile snap is going the opposite direction launching 2200 smart glasses according to a report by the information meta could reveal camera free smart glasses codename luna as soon as meta connect next week so September 23rd to 24th.

2:11:17Luke Lafreniere:Instead of a camera, the device could contain six microphones for chatting up Meta AI and its new Muse AI agent. Removing the camera would let Meta shrink the arms, giving them a more non-smart glasses look. This move comes as Meta faces a huge wave of backlash, even though the Ray-Ban Metas have kind of been a sales hit. That's one area of the metaverse where they made a big bet and seem to have really gotten it right, at least with general consumers. I think the IT crowd is less into it, but man, normies love them. Privacy is the biggest concern, considering that people have used these to record strangers without their consent, often to later post online for TikTok and Instagram clout.

2:11:58Luke Lafreniere:Despite the glasses having an LED flash when recording, people are finding workarounds, including drilling out the LEDs. Notably, these glasses have been banned from New York courtrooms. Snap, however, is taking a different approach. They are releasing$2 ,200 smart glasses called Specs. And they record both audio and video and have full, apparently true AR capabilities. Because of that, the frames are very big and chonky, making it immediately apparent to anyone looking at them that they aren't normal glasses. The Verge's Jay Peters got an afternoon with them and said the highlight of his experience was playing virtual dominoes on a real table with another person also wearing specs.

2:12:33Luke Lafreniere:An experience he specifically states no other headset has given him. I'm not sure if that's something that I particularly need. Dan, do you need to play virtual dominoes? uh no are we is that just us being like old boomers not appreciating majong oh okay now you got my attention oh yeah but it doesn't mean the cool table i think they probably cost the same though dude playing majong without the click clack of the tiles though what are you even doing with yourself yeah true true uh why don't we jump into after dark and get some get

2:13:08Linus Sebastian:some comms waste of money uh yeah but you know when you know what's not a waste of money yeah

2:13:15Luke Lafreniere:buying stuff on lttstore.com uh after talk about other thing thanks for the commuter british question competition is always good for everyone but can you think of a situation where there's too much competition for me it's all the minecraft mod loaders i don't think i would ever say competition is good for everyone i think i would say competition is good for consumers um there there's there are definitely situations where competition would not be good for for competitors um there are also situations where competition can be good between competitors like i suspect that the steam frame launch is causing a significant uptick in general interest in vr and probably Valve competitors are selling more headsets today than they were a week ago.

2:14:09Luke Lafreniere:In the case of something like Minecraft mod loaders, I mean, that's something that just has to be community managed. I think you have the best... Right now, it might be really overwhelming and it might be kind of a pain in the butt, but you've got to kind of assume that if everyone is trying to build the best mod loader they can and if everyone is approaching with the idea in mind that they want to use whichever is the best mod loader that you know helps them apply and manage their mods in the most seamless way possible then five years from now someone or some ones will probably have emerged as the de facto standards and those it's a long-term outlook right like those de facto standards that emerge will probably be better five years from now for having had to compete and rise to the top than they otherwise would have been if they hadn't had any competition.

2:15:06Luke Lafreniere:That's what I mean by competition is always better. I mean, it's better for the user and it's better in the long term. Sometimes I think you're right. I think there can be time periods where it's actually very painful and very headache-inducing to have multiple standards. I mean, I think smart home technology has really struggled with that between competing standards like Zigbee and Z-Wave and like Wi-Fi itself. Like, how are we how are we connecting all this stuff? Why are there all these competing standards that don't talk to each other? This like sucks. But once we come out on the other side of it, I do believe that all of those technologies will be better than they otherwise would have been if they hadn't had to compete.

2:15:48Luke Lafreniere:next what is the cheapest video you've ever shot that performed the best in the last three years budgets for youtube videos seem to be ballooning to attract viewers are you feeling that pain as well um actually i want to go completely the other way i've i've been doing some experimenting and I actually had right in mind, right away, a perfect answer for that. This video was super low budget. Literally, me plus an iPhone. That's hilarious. Me with an iPhone, not an iPhone 18 Pro and not as good iPhone. Me and an iPhone on the street in a mall shopping. I wore my microphone that is an expensive microphone but one that I already had anyway so I didn't like spend anything to make to make this video have decent audio quality and it was just me doing something that I would have done and pointing a camera at it and taking you guys along for the ride and the audience really enjoyed this really engaged with this it got you know pretty decent viewership this was at a time when channel momentum was like kind of low so this is pretty solid and remember this is using the old view metrics so 1.3 million of these views compared to like a new new video like this was a low performer and it's like oh yeah a million views like yeah sure you know whatever like this is probably closer in performance to that other one and this was like a one out of ten like out of our last oh no sorry a two out of ten the steam frame was a an over performer um and i enjoyed it more the audience enjoyed it more uh one of the funniest comments that i've read in the last year was on that video and it was like wow when you strip away all the writing and fancy production and and camera people and uh scripting and um and over the top editing line is actually kind of likable

2:17:51Luke Lafreniere:thank you just just about the most backhanded compliment that i have have heard ever um amazing yeah but uh but what but reading between the lines right like what that told me is okay we need to get back to roots we need to get back to just doing stuff in front of the camera and And that's where a lot of the newer stuff that we're doing is coming from. Like we're still doing classic tech tips. Okay, here's a hardware roundup. Here's just like kind of an explainer about a technology you might not have heard of or might not have thought about in a long time. But this is where that's coming from.

2:18:34Luke Lafreniere:Here's Linus and his son just like shopping for something that his son needs. That's where you get like kind of funky wonky projects like this. um oh hey yeah speaking of which i think he finally announced it uh elijah has gone full time on his streaming career so wish him nothing but the best uh very excited to see what the future holds for boca bola um what else we got here oh this this one was so fun uh so labs found out that oh hey we actually have one of those funky uh crypto uh crypto gpus from back in the day that can be unlocked to have 80 gigs of ram and can be available for like a very reasonable amount of amount of money so just like going on a little adventure unlocking that with lucas actually dan was a big contributor for that one he helped us um get the pcie link working at uh we got to gen 2 i think there's a gen 3 mod now too right oh no we got to 16x 16x yeah the gen 3 mod is a little more complicated yeah do you know what's involved in in getting it to pcie gen potentially destroying your entire GPU.

2:19:41Luke Lafreniere:There's a fuse that is blown on the chip itself, and you have to basically burn it out by injecting stuff into it. I haven't done too much research into it, but scary. Very, very scary. Given how little performance delta there was going from, I think, what is it, a 2x link by default or a 1x? Oh, it's like a 1x to a 4x or something like that. Yeah, given how little performance delta there was, I probably wouldn't be interested in that. But it also depends on your application. So for certain things, it might be worthwhile. Yeah, it's a little bit unfortunate. Agent Renzo says, I love the videos that are made for the love of the game and not because you're a company that needs to make money.

2:20:25Luke Lafreniere:And, you know, it's tough, right? Because if I didn't love the game, I wouldn't be doing this anymore. So every video to a degree is made for the love of the game. I want to keep playing the game. um but i also am a company that needs to make money and um you know with that in mind like it affects the decision making process it does if anyone says it doesn't then you know i think they're either not being honest with themselves or they're not being honest with you because if I have to choose between, you know, laying off half the team or, you know, doing this type of content that allows us to keep the band together for the most part.

2:21:10Luke Lafreniere:I mean, when people go off and have a solo career, that's actually good. That's actually growth. That's a good thing. But, you know, keeping all the supporting pieces in place and keeping the team together is also something that's very important. It's always something that you're going to be balancing. And the way that that we would approach that like do i feel like doing this this this thing today um having the weight of hey people's livelihoods could be at stake if we don't is always something that's going to weigh on the decision making process and there are certain red lines like we're not going to take gambling advertising we're just not going to do it um and if that meant that we would lose people because you know we otherwise we cannot be sustainable without taking that step then And I like to think that we would maintain that red line.

2:21:56Luke Lafreniere:I'd like to think that's a permanent red line. But, you know, there's humans are humans are human. I'm not every I'm not a robot. Not every decision that I make is is completely is completely rational. If I had to, you know, choose between Dan and promoting DraftKings, could I could I could I put Dan down? Do you want to bet? you know no i don't man i don't want to be i don't want to be in that position i i don't i don't want to do that um and as long as i can avoid it oh i get it sorry sorry ding yourself sir

2:22:35Luke Lafreniere:anyway um sorry i was trying to have a real conversation here but that's what i get for taking anything seriously that's why i didn't uh i didn't want to butt in no that was great that's funny yeah hit me with another will you okay sorry sorry yeah no that was important yeah um what's a product you couldn't include in a comparison video that viewers unexpectedly demanded afterwards i'm thinking of the doorbell camera video where as buddy's commented about real link yeah so i'm getting a lot of that and i don't know what's going on uh so yeah real link was um something that we overlooked uh there's there's nothing to say about it other than we overlooked it.

2:23:12Luke Lafreniere:It's like a Reddit darling brand of doorbell camera that doesn't really show up in sort of in the way that we would normally look at who should be included in one of these roundups, which typically is going to be a combination of Google searching, asking an LLM, and looking at bestsellers on Amazon. That's like kind of our, that's kind of our one, two, three. With the caveat that if you type home assistant, for instance, like if you just type like top dash cams, you'll end up with a lot of not real link, or at least we did. Your algorithm may be tuned differently, of course. But if we type best doorbell cam home assistant, all of a sudden it's like the top result, it's freaking everywhere.

2:23:59Luke Lafreniere:And so that was something that we kind of, I obviously flagged that internally. I was like, what the heck happened here? Can we please do a post-mortem and figure out how we managed to miss, like, apparently the most popular camera. It's not the most popular camera. What it is is it's like a social media darling, Reddit darling, which, yeah, means we missed. But I was able to kind of look at that post-mortem and go, okay, well, I understand how this happened. Obviously, we're upset about it. All of us, you know, anytime we miss something that seems so obvious to the community, it sucks. But I at least am looking at it going, okay, well, this wasn't just, you know, utter disregard for, you know, caring about making good content.

2:24:46Luke Lafreniere:It was just, okay, there's something that we clearly need to update here in terms of what our roundup touch points need to be as we're selecting candidates for these types of videos. And so, you know, we're going to, like I always say, we're not perfect. We're going to miss things now and again. Overall, I still thought it was a good video. We looked at a lot of really interesting options and some really not interesting ones. I thought it contained some good educational points. And the next time around, we're going to make sure we don't miss Reolink. You know, we're always going to try and do better.

2:25:28Luke Lafreniere:LXFN asks, did that video get ECC squad? To my knowledge, yeah, that would have gone through the ECC squad. But ECC squad is looking for errors. They're not looking for, you know, is there something that the video was not about? Because it wasn't about that camera. It was a roundup, but it clearly didn't include it. They're looking for, did we get the megapixels wrong on one of these cameras that we did include? They're not necessarily looking to change our editorial voice, right? And, you know, if they did point out something like that, obviously we'd look at it. But it's not what we've asked them to do, or it's not what they've volunteered to do, right?

2:26:10Luke Lafreniere:Loose Unit says, I'm a Home Assistant user. Never heard of Reolink until you mentioned it right now. So it's, and that was a really interesting thing about the postmortem was we found that depending on how you go and look for it, it's either the first most obvious thing, which is what a lot of people felt because, you know, their way of researching this product category obviously surfaced it right away. Or like you, I'd never heard of them. You've never heard of them. Depending on how you search for it, it just like doesn't come up at all.

2:26:41Luke Lafreniere:All right, Dan, hit me. Sure. last one i got for you today oh sure hi dll how does the steam frame compare to the index i'm really thinking about quote-unquote upgrading i play a lot of beat saber i'm wondering how good the tracking feels and i enjoy my knuckle controllers oh tracking feels good um unlike an index you can occlude the controllers though so depending on the vigorousness of your play style um that could be a challenge beat saber i would say is not an application that benefits hugely from the things that are better about the frame because you're standing still ish you know you move side to side a little bit get that fit bead on right but like you're not operating really at room scale you're you're you're just like the standing equivalent of like almost a seated experience and so without a way more compelling screen technology upgrade the fact that you have lighthouses already you know i would maybe i would at least look at the other options that are out there before just going okay well i'm just going to get a frame especially because you'll have time to think about it because there are not enough frames for everybody right now

2:28:13Luke Lafreniere:that's it that's it i mean there are a couple more here i didn't see those have a quick look yeah anything there tickles your fancy uh description says fits 16 inch laptops but the photos say fits 15 inch laptop stop confusing me um you can get a 16 inch laptop in there in fact actually um that video recently uh shopping for laptops with my son we put a 16 inch laptop and a commuter bag. So you can see exactly... Ugh, man. Remember when you used to get an ad once in a while clicking on something on YouTube? Yeah. Yeah.

2:28:48Luke Lafreniere:I just got my 18 Pro over there. Kind of interested in checking it out. I think Book 16. Where did you try to put it in a backpack? Did that make it into the cut? Actually, this is one that I did not see the final cut for before we went live. So, oh, I see a backpack. Where is it? Where are you at? Here we go. Yeah, so we went with the Book 4 Edge 16. And then you can see, here it is, commuter bag. In fact, that's the British Mulher-In. So you can see it bulges a little bit. So it's quite tight. and if you have like a very thick 16 then that could be a bit more of a challenge uh last one nope dan already got rid of the other one oh wow get wrecked well i think that's pretty much it we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel hold on hold on wait for it though wait for it

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