I’m Taking Credit For This - WAN Show April 3, 2026

15:48Linus Sebastian:Okay, cool. carry on sorry uh both of my hard drives are are dying um i had some indication that this might have been you know starting a while ago the hard drive started to get a little bit louder but it wasn't that bad yeah and then within the last week uh cries of pain started happening i was like explaining to emma that i had to buy annoyingly expensive hard drives and i was like complaining about it and she was like well do you like have to right now and i was like you're coming with me And then I walked over to my computer and was just like, listen, just listen. Almost nothing's even happening right now.

16:22Linus Sebastian:And just listen. And she's like, oh, yeah, you need those like now. She doesn't even know anything about computers. And she's like, there's just no way that's right. It sounds like there's a tiny hammer in my computer. It's just not good.

16:37Linus Sebastian:And part of that process was that I started moving a bunch of data around. Because I'm like, oh, okay, well, you know, I don't have like super mission critical stuff on here it's mostly a game drive and then a like dump drive that i just do random tasks on um but there are things on here that would kind of suck to lose so let's let's make sure i shuffle stuff around and and uh if these do die before the new drives come in um or if they die during a day to transfer to the new drives or whatever i'm gonna feel less bad about it um and in doing that i wanted to format one of the drives because i have also read so up until now i have kept my game drive exactly as it was when I was on Windows.

17:18Linus Sebastian:Meaning, my game drive was NTFS. But I have read that Proton struggles with NTFS a lot. I've read that too. So I was like, okay. I don't actually know how to pronounce it. Some people have laughed at me pronouncing it this way, but my OS drive is ButterFS, BTRFS. I've heard it called ButterFS.

17:37Luke Lafreniere:Is that wrong? You might have heard that from me. I've heard BetterFS as well, but that seems probably like a fanboy nickname.

17:44Linus Sebastian:Buddha FS Buddha I'm using Buddha FS whatever that thing is my OS drive but I was looking into some stuff trying to learn some things and it sounded like for a for a game drive I don't necessarily care that much about like rollbacks and stuff on like the reasons why I wanted to do it for my operating system drive it's less important so I went the ext4 and trying to do that was pretty annoying I'm just gonna be honest the process was pretty annoying even like i did a huge transfer off of one of the drives to another and i just copy and pasted in the gui and then i i noticed just like visually that like i don't think all the files are there and then i did some diving and like a ton of the files didn't get transferred and i started looking into it and the the predominant answer was like why are you using a gui for this i'm like bruh it's copy and pasting files like come on it's like i can imagine their being like cooler better ways but like i shouldn't have to like command line rsync to just copy and paste some folders from one drive to another yeah um and then i went through that and like i don't love that experience but it's fine i can do it i just i shouldn't have to um

19:01Luke Lafreniere:and then i actually cheated during the linux challenge because i had to transfer some files and they were coming off of an SD card that was just in a random device. It was in a tentacle sink, an audio recorder. And my Linux laptop, when I was on vacation, like absolutely diarrhea'd all over itself, trying to read and copy it. Like it was really scary. It not only like didn't work to copy it, but it like told me it was corrupted. And it 100 % wasn't. I put it in Yvonne's laptop, her Windows laptop, and it just immediately worked and I was able to upload it to Drive. And I suspect it's down to the file system that was on it.

19:43Linus Sebastian:It definitely could be. And I had that same suspicion as well. And then I tried command line rsync. It also didn't work. Really? Yeah. Same thing happened. Certain files didn't get transferred.

19:58Luke Lafreniere:Well, see, this is something that I've always found. And okay, I'm probably going to reveal some sort of horrible ignorance that people will mock me for. but hey it's the wanshow baby this is something that i have never really understood why is doing it through a gui different for something like file copies why does it not just do the exact same thing behind the gui why does it matter if i drag them like this or i typed a thing like this

20:29Linus Sebastian:it was i'm just going to address chat really quick it wasn't file ownership permissions um i think it was just erroring often i think maybe due to something with ntfs i'm getting into areas that i don't understand um but the way that i was able to solve it was i instead of transferring the entire drive at once i went through and did one major folder at a time yeah gooey and it worked fine i just had to like kind of baby it and then and then i got everything okay um it just kind of sucked i couldn't do the whole thing at once um but yeah why i mean i can understand there's a lot of little options and tweaks and things like rsync has a lot of control over how you want to do the transfer and stuff.

21:12Linus Sebastian:But then like, shouldn't it probably assume Do you want it to ignore certain errors? Do you want it not to?

21:17Luke Lafreniere:Shouldn't it probably assume the way I want it to do the transfer is to get the f***ing files from here to there for the most part?

21:27Linus Sebastian:I don't know. I was pretty surprised by that problem. I do suspect it's just like Linux not playing nice with NTFS. Okay. And then once the drive was on EXT4, I did not have similar problems. So I haven't used it extensively yet, but I suspect it's just like, okay, I'm trying to bring my Windows drives around with me still. And my initial very light amount of research being like, can I just leave everything how it was on Windows? Yeah. The answer was yes. And clearly it worked for over a month. Yeah. So it is kind of yes. Right. But it's more, yes, asterisk, there might be some problems.

22:07Luke Lafreniere:Yes, temporarily. Yes, kind of like when I downloaded that beta build of Bazite with the Steam Deck experience for NVIDIA, where it was like, yes, but it probably should have had a much larger asterisk. And it does now, so no one will make the same mistake that I did.

22:26Linus Sebastian:Isaac Fig Newton says, even within Windows, I only do parts of libraries at a time. The file transfer Fs up all the time. I don't have that experience to be completely honest. It depends. I know it's like a thing that can happen, but I have not ran into that.

22:39Luke Lafreniere:The slower your device, and I mean both the storage and compute, the more chance that it will just like trip over itself and bung itself up. Windows Explorer is not the most stable piece of software on the face of the earth. I think that's a non-controversial take. So I can totally see that.

22:59Linus Sebastian:And I have to give it credit of once I finished the whole process, which was pretty annoying. But once I finished the whole process and got it onto EXT4, then everything seemed to be fine. But you said your drives were dying. Definitely could have contributed to the errors. Yeah, I would have liked it to have been handled better, though. Like, for... I might have missed something. I don't know. I think what happened... That was such a good Karen line. I'm going to use that someday. I might have missed something.

23:27Luke Lafreniere:I would have liked for it to have been handled better.

23:30Linus Sebastian:Yeah. No, but what I mean by that is like when I did the file transfer thing, if it did error, if there was problems, it should just tell me. Yeah. I did the transfer, but I missed 100 ,000 files because that's like the magnitude to which it was off. You missed 100 ,000 of the shots you didn't take. And if it could tell me like, hey, these folders got transferred fine. These like top level folders got transferred fine.

23:54Luke Lafreniere:I wonder if the same developer went to work on Apple's transfer to ios feature yeah it just misses did i ever show you the screenshots from that that i got where it was like it's like 40 000 files and it transferred like two dozen or something like that i think you did why did you even try at that point you should have just not bothered

24:12Linus Sebastian:but but yeah so i think i think using i even heard from people who are like hyper linux pills and been using linux for freaking 20 years and i asked them about the ntfs thing and they're like yeah i mean it's probably fine but they haven't used it because why would they i think

24:30Luke Lafreniere:i think that's something that um is easy for super linux pilled people to miss is that there's a lot of things that it's the curse of knowledge right yeah that they know and intuitively do that is best practice on linux oh and that someone did a workaround just in case you don't do it that way but it hasn't been validated it hasn't been tested across every distro it hasn't been tested across every desktop environment it hasn't been tested across every dumb user sorry i should have pointed it myself i mean it counts and it hasn't and it hasn't been tested across every hardware config

25:07Linus Sebastian:right i even think i have a okay tinfoil hat fully on yeah my drives were dying already yeah i think the linux challenge accelerated it interesting because yeah why would both die at the same time both started dying but the games drive is the main one having problems but both have bad sectors but the games drive has like four times the bad okay the other one like would

25:29Luke Lafreniere:anything about your would anything about your file system being not linux compatible well here's the

25:36Linus Sebastian:thrash more here's the thing is apparently proton doesn't play nice with ntfs and it's the games drive that is suffering more than the other one now the games drive just gets more use and always did yeah so i don't know how fair this is and i could i could just be completely a gamer folks he's a gamer ladies and gentlemen but i there's like you know slay the spire 2 yeah so that's a smaller slower game so okay that can be installed on my hard drive games drive that's been open a lot right right right right so has proton been thrashing more because it doesn't play nice with ntfs literally don't know i have literally no idea but i i have an i have a thought have you pulled the smart data i have i haven't dove really deep into it i just know that there are bad sectors the linux ntfs driver is reverse engineered barely works the stuff proton tries to do with it will 100 cause file system corruption says on a hikeage yeah so that was not when i did my not enough research and i'm accepting that i basically googled can i can i keep my windows ntfs drive yeah on linux to play games and it was like yeah okay and you know what's really funny

26:45Luke Lafreniere:is because as much shit as I got for settling on Pop! OS after Googling it and asking an LLM, I actually did find that. I knew that. Yeah. Which is why I did a completely fresh install on every single one of my systems and didn't try to keep any of my games drives. Yeah, yeah. Even though I do have one. And to be clear. I was just like, I'm not going to use this because... And... Oh, sorry. Go ahead. It was fine.

27:09Linus Sebastian:Except when it wasn't. For a month. How much did it cost you? Maybe a drive. Well, no. the drives were already going down the drives already had bad sectors it was like i just didn't think it was quite time to replace them yet they're really big drives so them having a few bad sectors is like not the end of the world um it might have accelerated it i was gonna have to replace them anyways um and like it did function so they were right about it functioning yeah but yeah i don't know also another thing that i did this week i talked about how i talked about how I might want to do this. I removed my desktop environment and installed a new one.

27:50Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I came across a funny thread somewhere. I forget why I was even reading about this, but it was like, can we stop calling them distros? A distro is just, you know, the desktop environment, and it's this, and it's a package manager, and it's this, and it's this, and they're all interchangeable anyway, and blah, blah, blah, blah. and it's like okay okay okay captain pedantic i mean you want to go you want to go full pedant um then you kind of have to come full circle around to you know what even is the linux operating system it's a desktop environment and a package manager it's all these things so like you wouldn't have you can't just call the linux kernel the linux operating system in order to be an operating system.

28:38Luke Lafreniere:It has to like, it has to have all these things. So no, uno reverse. Is that true? It doesn't need a desktop environment. Okay. It doesn't need a desktop environment. This is where the, does it need a package? No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. Okay. Hold on. What does it need? It's going to need something.

28:56Linus Sebastian:So now we're coming all the way back around. No. Defeated. Amazing. Um, but yeah, that it's, it's funny because like fighting through NTFS was really annoying. Right. And then I came out on the other end and I haven't used my computer since I did that enough to like really know but it seems like it's actually a lot better in a few ways and now my hard drive is just like dead. Cool. But oh well. It was already dying. It is what it is. Replacing my entire desktop environment was so easy. I was actually just like stunned. It was wild. Well I know

29:30Luke Lafreniere:uninstalling it is easy. You could do that without even meaning to do it at all.

29:36Linus Sebastian:but yeah I can I mean maybe you're not that good oh wow yeah that's that's fair so I replaced I got rid of cinnamon and it's like gone I completely removed it yeah I kept hyperland but I'm not actively really using it and I installed KDE cool and I am now even more strongly of the opinion that if you just want your thing to be smooth and to work you should probably install mint and cinnamon kde is sick and i'm happy it's on my desktop and i think i'm also happy it's not on my laptop mint and cinnamon is just such i'm like not surprised it's interesting because it doesn't really get talked about that much like if you look into the what should i run right now on computers everybody is going yeah screw you dan uh everybody is going um oh run like bazite or cashy and run you know kde on top of them and and then we look at the steam hardware survey and like a lot of it's mint yep and arch arch is up there and arch is cashy um and steam os yeah which is where a ton of that is coming from but i think just the like ease man like there there's things i really have enjoyed kde so far it feels like the correct choice on my laptop it feels like the correct choice to go along with cashy sorry a correct choice on my desktop yep it feels like the correct choice to go on with cashy the things that i'm trying to do on my desktop kde has been fantastic i really like the experience um but like it doesn't feel like the if you want it depends on what you're min maxing for if you're min maxing for less problems you just kind of want things to work you want the tools to just kind of be there you want it to feel like what you're used to when you come from windows mint and cinnamon is just a fantastic combo it's honestly just amazing my laptop never has any problems it is completely rock solid heart touching it's amazing why don't we talk about some other amazing news sure it's all good news this week yeah how about uh and kde's base it's just they're they're more bleeding edge they're more performance pushing all that kind of stuff and that comes with some fairly minor problems ones that i'm happy to deal with on my

31:58Luke Lafreniere:desktop but yeah how about some good news for consumers who might have been looking to build or upgrade a pc want to talk about that yeah ddr5 pricing in china faces this is a this is a quote from i think it's wccf tech said this uh faces a complete collapse with shifting markets let's go this has mainly seemed to have been triggered by the release of Google's turbo quant really it the timing doesn't look like a coincidence however I actually recorded a whole LTT video yesterday that was just like a it was kind of a spur of the moment I have some thoughts on this where I look at sort of a longer term trend that we can trace back to, like all the way back to about mid to three quarters of the way through last year of the bubble kind of already starting to unravel to mix my metaphors up a little bit.

33:02Luke Lafreniere:I think that TurboQuant kind of like when DeepSeek landed is just, it's really headline grabbing and it's taken the fears that are already in the backs of memory suppliers' minds about whether this whole thing is actually really going to just go to the moon forever, Artemis style. And it has taken that fear and brought it to the front of the mind and turned it into panic a little bit.

33:35Linus Sebastian:I thought, I don't know, but I thought it was the Sam Altman comments, them not following through on their rampages.

33:41Luke Lafreniere:Well, it happened right around the same time.

33:44Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

33:44Luke Lafreniere:So it's like, it's like a combo. It's definitely a combo. Taiwan outlet UDN reports that RAM prices in China have dropped more than 30%. And there are even some signs that prices are dropping in the US as well. As part of the video that I was working on yesterday. Here we go. Okay, look. Is it back to normal yet? No. but guys don't bite a progress gift horse in the mouth okay um i do worry a little bit that's

34:18Linus Sebastian:going to be kind of like the gpu situation where the price went up and then they were just like well here's the thing though i think people are actually just not buying stuff right now

34:25Luke Lafreniere:gpus are effectively a monopoly nvidia just decides how much a certain amount of fps costs and then amd and to a lesser extent intel i actually really respect what intel has done and how scrappy they've been trying to make absolutely arc battle mage appealing and make it make sense for gamers at a at a reasonable budget but amd certainly basically just go oh yeah oh yes yes nvidia thank you for determining what gpus are worth in the market yes sir and they just kind of price their gpus in lockstep with nvidia um whereas ram has actual competition to a degree. Have there been some price-fixing scandals over the years?

35:07Luke Lafreniere:Yes. But at the end of the day, are all of the major players building out large fabs with huge capacity that have to run and therefore are commodified effectively, meaning that if demand drops, pricing will drop? Also, yes. Ram is a commodity still. There is competition still. And so in the exact same way that we've seen it spike before i think we will absolutely see it crash again there's there's no there's no question whatsoever that's good to hear and as part of the video yesterday i was also looking at a couple of other regions i looked at canada canada actually started dipping a little bit before the states uh germany has started dipping as well so i i didn't look too far beyond that because i kind of went okay well china germany canada u.s that gets me around the world yeah yeah yeah clearly this isn't just one retailer running a promo at that point yeah none of this means that the shortage is over none of this means that pricing is going to

36:13Linus Sebastian:immediately go back to where it was there has objectively been an uptick in data center spending on hardware that will impact pricing to a certain degree yep and the ai build out is not going to

36:26Luke Lafreniere:stop yeah but one of the things i get into in the video is how i think that it won't necessarily just continue to flywheel completely out of control because it seems like the bean counters are finally kind of going, hold on a second. How many beans are left? Can we really afford to trade all of our beans for computer memory? And I, for one, am extremely excited for five years from now when all of these data centers are out of date and make absolutely no sense to keep running with energy pricing being what it is. And I can get like a couple cool AI cards and put them in like Smash Champs

37:12Linus Sebastian:for like cool computer vision yeah some of those ai cards are weird yeah but i mean they should do ai right i don't know if they're gonna slot into your desktop computer though it doesn't need to

37:23Luke Lafreniere:be a desktop computer oh okay i mean look they're gonna be dismantling these things who's gonna take them yeah that'll be really interesting like uh man that's another that's another video i want to

37:33Linus Sebastian:format of those gpus that are like a tower uh what is that called oh for crying out loud i forget what

37:38Luke Lafreniere:it's called we saw it on the recent nvidia data center tour yeah um someone someone tell me what they're called sm something s sxm sxm sxm yeah those cards like but here's the thing okay so i did i did i talk on wanshow already i can i can never tell the difference between when i talked about something on wanshow and when i um did a video scrum and laid out an outline for a topic so stop me if I've talked about this before but a major tragedy right now is the way that data center hardware no longer trickles down to consumers how it used to like remember how buying a couple generation old Xeon was like the hack to getting a sick gaming desktop what am I looking at here was this an adapter yo

38:34Linus Sebastian:oh okay yeah that's a thing all right i'm a little more excited about the future now um that's sick

38:42Luke Lafreniere:i did okay did i talk about this already okay i talked about this already but one of the things that will happen because it has to go somewhere like these these giant just money is no object data centers full of tens and tens and tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of gpus like it's not like they're just going to you know grind them up to make their bread like they're gonna do something with them and so i i think home lab is gonna have an absolute like revolution

39:14Linus Sebastian:in five years dude an sxm to pcie adapted data center card in my house sounds freaking sweet Yeah. That sounds awesome. Yeah. Why only one? And the RAM. Yeah. That sounds like fun tinkering. Oh, well, the space might be different. The RAM will be salvageable.

39:31Luke Lafreniere:The RAM will be salvageable. Visor card? I bet you could liquid cool it so you don't have to deal with the noise. Because these things are like 800 or even more watts or whatever. They're insane. Yeah, they're crazy. Mr. Omutt says Wendell's going to buy it all. I don't know, man. Wendell's pretty... He likes to be on the cutting edge. I think he might just have the newer stuff at that point. Mineral oil cooling would be super cool, John BR. That's a lot of wattage to mineral oil cool. I'm excited. I'm super excited. And I think it's happening. Yeah. Well, I think we're starting to... I'm really glad because I've taken kind of a, this is temporary stance on this.

40:24Luke Lafreniere:And I've kind of taken some flack for that. I thought it was going to take longer than this. Why aren't you advocating for consumers more? Why don't you see Micron pulling out of the consumer market as like this terrible, terrible, terrible thing? And I guess it's just because I've been through so many cycles. Like RAM, RAM is like this, man. it's always up and down and up and down and this time it was it was kind it was like a big cycle like this was and and it really it it happened really suddenly maybe that's and it and it was a really awful timing like right in the holiday season man like it just there were so many things

41:02Linus Sebastian:about it that just sucked yeah i at the same time though like i don't know i i do think it's a signal i am very hopeful all that kind of stuff but like if we look at people have been talking about Micron's stock price. If we look at Micron, they're one year, 392%, year to date, 16%, six months, 94%.

41:26Luke Lafreniere:But tulip mania happened over a span of half a decade, though. Over the last month, they're only 3.5 % down. These things... Okay, but remember, once tulips started to fall... No, I hear you. Like, here, here. This screenshot, this screenshot is actually... I just don't, I'm not 100 % convinced it's happening right now. This screenshot is in the video. Yeah. Tulip bulbs,$16.99 Canadian. Once they started to crash, once the house of cards starts to collapse, it can happen really fast. Apparently, this didn't make it into the video because I just read it last night, but just because a company is not a public company doesn't mean that shares can't be traded.

42:10Luke Lafreniere:and apparently this is scuttlebutt but apparently open ai shares are becoming quite illiquid quite difficult to sell and one of the things that i kind of lay out is that uh i see open ai as a very dropbox like character in this uh in this new version of of the same movie we've watched over and over and over again. Dropbox was a first mover and a huge name in cloud storage in the early days of the cloud. Back when that was the stupid keyword du jour that you couldn't see a slideshow without having it plastered all over everything, right? And what they did was the classic Silicon Valley playbook.

42:57Luke Lafreniere:They got a bunch of money. They used it to acquire an enormous user base. And they focused on you know one admittedly super cool and innovative thing and then they tried to convert that user base to a paid user base it didn't go too great and then the incumbents the big players uh ultimately ate their lunch and i mean show of hands who has the dropbox app installed on their

43:22Linus Sebastian:computer or phone anyone i think your hand can be up because we use it for like scripts or something

43:29Luke Lafreniere:right bueller not anymore oh dan dan apparently has drop you still use dropbox i do what do you like about it i used to use it more before i had the nas got him um the internal sync was great i don't know it's just it's just good yeah quality product it's just fine nothing wrong with it no but there's also no question do you pay for it yeah apple and google and microsoft have overall won that war and so i see open ai as being in a very similar kind of position where they were a first mover a very early mover a big innovator great brand presence huge user base but are they really going to take that and go from losing billions and billions of dollars a quarter to making billions and billions of dollars a quarter really yeah or is it going to be google

44:28Linus Sebastian:oh dropbox is not that cheap no i could well because it isn't right it never was it was always

44:33Luke Lafreniere:the whole thing was always fake it was always vc money subsidizing you to have it for cheap so that you could get locked in later it's it's yeah whether it's dropbox or uber or freaking adobe well actually no in that case it was just adobe's giant boatloads of money from selling expensive software that they converted into even giant or boatloads of money from selling subscriptions that was a different model slightly different uh yeah yeah discord is another example from pankrats in the chat so because of because of all of these this this really does the video does i admit have a little bit of like string on a bulletin board energy but i'm just seeing a lot of signals and there are signals the other way like nvidia is only down a little yeah um google's only down a little right and i and i and i point out these things like there are ones that are that you know their stock prices is not impacted in any way uh videos i guess they're down okay

45:36Linus Sebastian:yeah relatively not the last five days but over the last six months one month yes compared to like

45:42Luke Lafreniere:oracle and then there was another one that i that i was using as kind of like a proxy for ai companies as well um and and but the difference is that the companies that are only down a little have real revenue yeah and like real businesses other than just like raw raw raw ai what if you what if you put ai in your video so that you could make video with ai and what if you did ai in your butt and then you your butt could be intelligent like like just everything's ai just put every ai in everything like it's like nvidia has an identity other than ai and so does a company

46:17Linus Sebastian:like like alphabet i feel like i need a south park episode on butt ai uh i mean do you know for sure

46:25Luke Lafreniere:they haven't done one i i didn't watch the entire last season it's it's possible it's just seemed like the sort of thing they might do we go all the way back to season one episode one and the aliens just put AI in his butt instead of a big satellite dish. What do you want to jump to? You know what? I'd like to take a moment and say to everyone who is upset about Good News WAN show month, don't worry, it's temporary. We're going to go back to just kind of doing everything after April. But so far... It's been kind of nice. I'm actually having way more fun. Yeah, I'm not like angry. Yeah. I really like Good News WAN show so far.

47:10Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Yeah. I feel happier today because we're doing Good News WAN show. Want to pick something? Yeah. Do you feel more excited to pick a topic?

47:21Linus Sebastian:Yeah, kind of. Me too. Yeah. Like I scrolled through and saw a few options I wanted to talk about and landed on one that like felt very in tone with what you were just saying.

47:31Luke Lafreniere:When's the last time that happened?

47:32Linus Sebastian:A very long time. No, but really then. And I'm not even using a cop-out and talking about Artemis. Think about that. That's crazy. I found another topic that sounds really fun to talk about. That's actually unhinged. Yeah. Okay, yeah, do it then. Someone made a website for scheduling play sessions to revive old multiplayer games. Okay. Called Game Date. This is so cool. This isn't necessarily new, but I don't think we've talked about it on WAN Show before. YouTuber Batty. Batty built Game Date. I think it's just YouTuber Batty. B-A-T-T-Y. Build Game Date, a free, anonymous scheduling platform for dead or underpopulated multiplayer games.

48:11Linus Sebastian:People are already scheduling sessions for things like Unreal Tournament 2004, Battlefront 2, like the original one, I'm assuming, Crisis Wars, and Blur. Oh, cool. Yeah. The site recently added a full discussion board with image board style features, including green text, quote links, and a smuggler's den section specifically for surfacing useful info, like server IPs, mods, patches, fans, translations, stuff like that to improve the experience. And that's normally buried in private Discord servers, but it's now easier to access. And also, it looks amazing! Discuss. is this not so freaking cool so cool dude i think that's awesome because one of the big problems with these old games yeah is they go in a self-fulfilling death spiral where there's a few less people on every time yeah and the server that you like jumping on nobody's there so you don't log on nobody's at exactly the same level as you so no one else logs on and then it just kind of spirals down and this way you can kind of just spark some some fun experiences playing some more games because a lot of these old multiplayer games are still awesome they just don't have the the mass yeah the snowball yeah and i love that you brought up the issue with

49:29Luke Lafreniere:useful information being buried in a discord because that's from the doc but yeah i know i'm but i'm glad you brought it up because we actually i forget who i was talking to about it in the office earlier this week but the way that so much support and and and product and software information has moved into discord it's like hey do you like my project come join my discord and we talk about it and then it just eventually it's not searchable gets wiped and and i was talking about how like um when uh when pancratz pancratz did the bulk of the work getting that old vr headset to work the the the the uh the forte or whatever it was called when we did that video on it and the only way that he was able to do that was by digging up old documentation and old discussion around it and we're in the we're gonna be we're gonna be in this like this information gap i think right now oh yeah when all these this exchange of information is happening on a platform that by its very nature will is is is impermanent and then this this i'm not gonna lie i saw this

50:36Linus Sebastian:warcraft 3 reforge legion td noob lobby and i was like oh yeah being able to jump into a warcraft 3 custom game and be decently confident that like you know based on whatever comments or other people signing up or however this works that other people are going to be there sounds awesome

50:53Luke Lafreniere:that is so cool i think we're going to lose a bunch of the stream right now though because like how could they not how could they not go play freaking i don't know man uh dragon ball fighter z uh party mode six player 3v3 tag like just how freaking social does this look like remember when remember when games weren't necessarily about maximum sweat yeah yeah and you could just like play you could jump into a random game people are like playing jackbox and stuff like just

51:29Linus Sebastian:mingling having a life you know it's really cool to use i know it just feels awesome it's

51:35Luke Lafreniere:delightfully retro yeah steam 2004 if i remember correctly something like that yeah that's

51:41Linus Sebastian:definitely the vibe that i'm oh yeah for sure so cool man really cool and there's a decent amount i would really highly encourage people to at least check this out there's a decent amount of like uh game date sessions on here that don't have a ton of signups yet but they look for like really cool games so maybe maybe jump on and go have some fun yeah you guys should you should go check it out

52:03Luke Lafreniere:because what do you have to lose just do something different do something new man i feel like between doom scrolling on my phone or being locked in on just that one game i play i feel like the variety in my life was kind of reduced for a bit. Oh, yeah. That's one of the reasons that I, when I was on vacation recently, I had one day before we went to South Korea with the family. And then I had two days when I got back for me to be on vacation. And so on the day before I left, I ordered a bunch of parts for that RC car that I've wanted to fix. And then when I got back, I was just like, I'm gonna fix this.

52:47Luke Lafreniere:I'm gonna fix this RC car. Dude, I refilled my shocks earlier this week, and it turns out that oil-filled shocks should definitely have oil in them. Yeah, I didn't know it was just all completely gone. Yeah, it was just completely empty. And it's one of those things that changes so slowly that you press on them and you go, I mean, yeah, the springs are on there. That's a shock, right? And I don't have a ton of context for it. I don't have a whole bunch of RC cars. I don't go out to the track and, you know, compare with other people. I'm just like, yeah, it seems like I have shocks. So, no, it turns out that's why my skid plays kept raking on the front, was because I effectively didn't have any flipping, I didn't have any damping on the shocks.

53:30Luke Lafreniere:Right, yeah, yeah. So one of the four leaks, but that's half the fun. I'm going to open it back up. I'm going to put better grease on the O-ring. Sure, yeah. And then I'm going to seal it back up, and I'm going to take it. And the ones that I have, it's for the Arma Granite 4x4 Mega 550 or something like that. The point is, I'm just... For the RC nerds that are like, hmm, I probably did it wrong. They're known to be bad. The shocks are, like, known to be leaky and bad. So, at the same time as I ordered new fluid and, like, did the rebuild on all of these ones, I actually have new shocks in the mail.

54:04Luke Lafreniere:But it wasn't about that. It was about just doing something flipping different.

54:09Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Um, moving on.

54:14Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Oh, this. Dan has a thing. Oh. Yeah. You were actually excited to talk about something. I was. And so we got like, dude, it's like this. Wancho feels new again.

54:31Linus Sebastian:I'm enjoying it. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see what people think. And it'll be interesting. Like maybe we can retain at least part of this past April. Yeah.

54:41Luke Lafreniere:Maybe we could have a minimum amount of topic diversity quota. Something like that. We'll call it the Nope. I was trying to think of something that would be DEI or something like the DEI WAN show. Neither of us would be hosting it though I suppose. Well yeah I mean what him? You gotta be kidding me. Another white dude with a beard?

55:09Linus Sebastian:We've hit the beard quota. we've sorry

55:16Luke Lafreniere:all right this week we're doing great this week we launched the not a bug t-shirt this is what happens when you say not a bug it's a feature a bit too many times so the designers decided to make a cool graphic tee out of it it's like textured it yeah it's pretty sick it's a detailed wasp but it has like kind of circuitry built into it So it ends up looking like a literal digital bug. And as always, it's printed on our classic Polyblend T-shirt. So it's super soft, drapes nicely, and is durable. Oh, hold on. Luke Cam. It says, what does that say? Is that not a bug? It's a what? It's Latin. Latin.

56:07Luke Lafreniere:I can't read Latin. Latin. What does that say?

56:10Linus Sebastian:I sort of figured out. I had context clues. Terrible education in Canada.

56:14Luke Lafreniere:Do we say what it means on here? We just don't. It's got Latin on it. Well, we have a form of the English translation.

56:23Linus Sebastian:It's not a bug. It's a feature.

56:24Luke Lafreniere:Oh, what the heck? Okay, sure. Yeah, fine.

56:26Linus Sebastian:You can kind of suss your way through it a little bit. The Cymex or whatever. That one, I had no idea what that word was. Okay.

56:34Luke Lafreniere:$34.99 USD,$29.99 CAD on the global site. get yours today by the way oh i should probably actually check a lot of people i think this was probably our most successful april fools since the we sold our company to nvidia like like really really old one in terms of fooling people um the number of people that were like super angry about us doing an ICO like rug pull thing. Oh really? Was significant. And the number of people that thought that the coin was not real was very significant. The coin is real. Linus coin is real. You just, you buy it. It's 20 US dollars or 30 US dollars.

57:22Linus Sebastian:You will 20 US dollars or 30 Canadian

57:24Luke Lafreniere:Sorry, 20 US dollars or 30 Canadian dollars. You buy it, you get this challenge coin in the mail. It's big, it's chunky, it's really cool. And then you get a credit on the store for double the value of the coin. So if you were going to buy anything in the next little bit, you should just buy the coin because you get double the value in gift card of what you spent on the coin. So it's basically free real estate. i got a message earlier do you get to keep the coin yes yeah yeah the coin is just it's just for you for keeps for fun it's just it's just a cool challenge coin you can flip it when you want to make a decision or whatever it's just a cool little collectible um it's one per household but we've already sold through so many of them that i think we're down to about the last thousand so we were um we were originally going to do 10 000 which is how many we minted ahead of time and then like three days before i got to give massive credit to the creator warehouse engineering team as well as the operations team for for pivoting and getting this done i was like let's do more so we opened up another 10 000 orders uh but we're going to get those minted over the next little bit and then it'll it'll ship when it you know when it ships um so we're doing 20 ,000, but I think we've moved through about 19 ,000.

58:51Luke Lafreniere:So if you want to get one, it's, it's a gift card. It's a discounted gift card. It's a cool collectible gift card. Free collectible coin. Um, Stephen J asks, is this a way for you to get an income stream to afford the jet? Most certainly not. Uh, it'll help with cashflow, but what I can tell you based on that this has a cost to us. Like this is made of, it's made of scrap metal. Like there were nuggets of truth in the April Fool's video. Like the fact that it's made of melted down waste zinc housings from our original screwdriver supplier. That's 100 % true. We got screwed over on the shafts and we got screwed over on the housings.

59:34Luke Lafreniere:It really blew chunks. Obviously we've done okay. We survived it. It wasn't a critical hit, but um it's they're made of of leftover remains of the original 100 000 screwdriver order like bungled up production and um they're they were done by a partner down in down in the states so we jokingly refer to them as the 11th province in the video you know a little bit of uno reverse there um but yeah they were they were actually minted on shore which i think is really cool so they do have like an actual cost and then we're taking what you guys are paying for it and then we're giving double that in credit so it doesn't take a mathematical genius to know that we are not making money on this part of the transaction if you guys want the inside baseball i can tell you that our hope is that after buying a twenty dollar coin or sorry a forty dollar coin for twenty you will spend more than the$40 and maybe buy something that's not on like mega ultra discount you know and load up your cart and you know maybe we'll make something on it but if you were to buy the coin for$20 and then buy a$40 item then like no we're not that will not help us pay for anything that will just be it'll be fun it'll be for the lulls it'll be a good time Good times are had by all.

1:00:59Luke Lafreniere:That's about it. Oh, right. If you're going to pick up a coin or one of the new shirts or really, I mean, anything on the store. There's so much, man, there's so much good stuff on the store these days. Oh, right. Holy crap. Have we even talked about, oh, wait, no, we did talk about these. We talked about these last week. Okay, good. Yeah, fine. Flexible magnetic cable management. Now's a great time to do it because during the show, we do our checkout messages and it's a great way to interact with the show. We don't want people just throwing money at their screens. quite frankly i think based on the video that went up the other day it's fairly obvious that i'm you know i'm not going to come to you guys hat in hand begging for support uh we are extremely committed to making high quality products that can stand on their own right that's why we stopped referring to it as merch and we also don't want you just throwing your money at your screen to people who quite frankly should do something for you in return so we created checkout messages which are the way to interact with the show.

1:01:56Luke Lafreniere:All you got to do is add an item to your cart. Oh, Luke's on it. But there you go. Add an item to your cart. You'll see the interface to send a checkout message. Boop. Yeah, I'd like to do that. You type a little message. It goes to producer Dan who will reply to it or pop it up on the stream or will curate it for me and Luke to respond to. So why don't we go ahead and do a couple of those and let's chat with y 'all. I'm getting so many in right now that people have been told that the coin is not fake. See, I knew it! It was too believable, Luke! It was really chill up until that point. What have you done?

1:02:38Luke Lafreniere:Okay, whatever. Hello, Linus. So many. Hello, Linus, Luke, and Dan. I'm Geras. What motivated the decision to tear the tech house to studs instead of wiring in the crawl or toe boards, especially with asbestos so that is actually why um not gonna lie tech house is over budget it's it's it's it's behind schedule and over budget classic color me surprise classic ltt times four um but there's there's a number of considerations okay so first of all the me putting a hammer through the wall and discovering asbestos was obviously movie magic we knew there was asbestos involved and we did you know work with the seller on that knowledge um and fully intended to to deal with it um but we didn't know exactly how much there was because testing for asbestos is not as simple as like you know it's like getting in there and smelling it like it's it's not that simple you need to take actual samples of the materials sniff asmr analyze them You have to go snip them at home or in a laboratory somewhere.

1:03:49Luke Lafreniere:So we knew about the asbestos. We just didn't know the full extent of it. But what we did know for sure was that around the entire perimeter of the house, there was asbestos for days. So what we did was we started some of the demolition. So you guys saw that video. I saw a lot of speculation that Linus was not the one who actually cleared out the basement because he has lackeys for that. Unfortunately, all of my lackeys, you guys may or may not have noticed that were there that day, were a solid seven inches taller than me. I was definitely the one in the basement. Nobody else would have even fit.

1:04:32Luke Lafreniere:Anyhow, so we did the demo video and then we hired professionals to come in and have a look at the perimeter. So they looked at the perimeter and they looked at some of the other stuff. And what we found out was that the caulking or the glue or whatever it is that was used for the electrical wiring. Okay. It contained asbestos. So once we found that out, what are we even talking about here? What are we going to do? We're going to cut the drywall. We're going to follow every wire and find every spot where it's got any glue on it. No, you just rip the drywall off. You take your lumps. and it was important to us that whoever ends up in this place it's we're dealing with the issues right like we're we have a brand to protect i have my i have my personal reputation to protect believe it or not and um i take that extremely seriously especially when it comes to issues around safety so there was no way that we were just gonna like sweep literal asbestos under the rug yeah right like so once we discovered that and they were they had to like cut a bunch of the wiring in order to get it out so once they're cutting all the electrical wiring we got to go down to studs um so we're gonna have some updates for you guys soon uh it did end up costing like 30 30 plus grand or something like that for all of the removal which which blows but hey we're gonna we're gonna make a lot of videos in there and actually going down to studs does open up some pretty exciting options that we've been talking about like um one of the ideas was you know that um have you watched the tech house tour video have you even been there yet no i've not been there okay well whatever there's this cabinet at the back of what's going to be like the upstairs kind of like theater like tv watching area and we were like oh that'd be like sick as like an equipment cabinet uh well we didn't think about it until the drywall was off but it's like right above the garage so without doing any hvac or anything in there we could just have like passive venting that just like dumps all the heat from there into the garage rather than rather than dumping it up into that already going to be like a pretty warm room and it might be kind of hard on the hvac so just like little things like that will be much easier to do now that we've got the drywall off i do fully recognize that this has all of a sudden turned into like a full home renovation as opposed to like tech makeover so tech house two okay i'm i'm putting my foot down tech house too we're not taking it down to studs it'll be we'll we'll have to kind of already committing to have to adapt around it well honestly i'm having so much fun already with tech house one i have heard through the grapevine that you're having a lot of fun it's been it's

1:07:19Linus Sebastian:cool yeah i just find it interesting that it's like gotten to me not even from you of people just be like wow yeah it's like he just seems like really like excited and like he's having a

1:07:31Luke Lafreniere:good time luke do you have any idea how much i would rather crawl around in a dirty moldy disgusting basement just like finding little treasures and and bringing them up to troll the team

1:07:45Linus Sebastian:compared to sitting in a boardroom no i fully understand trust me

1:07:54Luke Lafreniere:yeah i got you i get it yeah like it's dude it's i don't know man it's fun it feels the tech house series feels like classic ltt i remember when i was in it must have been like

1:08:07Linus Sebastian:grade five or six or something um i was in elementary school the principal came into our class and was like i need some help moving effectively furniture nice and he pointed at like me and a couple other as he would yeah and and we went out and helped him move around like a bunch of benches and like stuff to set up it was some like a big event that was happening in the gym um and i remembered thinking like as i was walking back to class i was like i don't know exactly what i want to do as a job when i'm older but i'd love if it was like going somewhere and doing a task if that makes sense and and now i i sit in i sit in yeah i was

1:08:54Luke Lafreniere:gonna say i was this it's the good news when show was this story supposed to have a happy ending

1:08:59Linus Sebastian:this is not really good news i i i think it's like i i understand why you like it yeah i wasn't surprised when people are like yeah he's having a good time i'm like yeah because he's out doing stuff it makes it's so much more fun i we have to find a way like i i told you i told you earlier

1:09:17Luke Lafreniere:in the show like i wrote a video yesterday like just just spontaneously yeah like we had a cool idea because we saw like an interesting topic i had a little brainstorm which i often do i'll sit and i'll do like an entire scrum for a video i'll lay out an outline and then i'll walk away and then we'll just like i don't know we'll make it in like three weeks or we'll just never make it or whatever but but we but we didn't we like we agiled up and we were just like okay no waterfalls okay you're making this you're we we scheduled you time go to your office yeah go write it good and so i did i sat and i just i just wrote it and it's it's funny because i i i have written more than probably a lot of the audience realizes because I'm kind of a perfectionist about certain things.

1:10:09Luke Lafreniere:And so some of the videos that like have a writer credit on them, I like basically wrote them. I edit very heavily sometimes. And yes, I feel really good whenever I see a comment on it that's like, hey, the other person who's credited as a writer, wow this they did a really good job i'm like i'll just quietly feel good about it but in terms of can you just have both of you on there from scratch from scratch though okay i very rarely get to do it these days yeah and in some ways it's it's funny i was telling yvonne when i came home i was like my brain's tired but like a good tired it's a different kind of tired editing someone else's work which is where where i've flexed my brain muscle the most for the last five six seven years um nice

1:11:08Luke Lafreniere:i'm like used to it and like that muscle's like hard but it's like an uncomfortable kind of hard whereas like the just from scratch just just writing it muscle i haven't i haven't flexed as much but it was like you know like after a workout when you're like good tired when you lie in your bed and you're just like god i'm tired oh i'm gonna sleep like a baby this is amazing i know i'm not yet but like it was that kind of brain tired it was so good i'm sending you a message yeah i've completely forgotten what is he no that's why i'm sending you the message he he wants me to take herbal supplements and remedies he no i'm just i'm just i'm just bugging you i'm he's going full in on natural health products

1:11:58Luke Lafreniere:he's not and it's not health advice neither of us knows we don't know we don't know anything

1:12:02Linus Sebastian:yeah don't listen the thing we're talking about because people started guessing last time and it was way worse but uh so i'll just say it but i'm trying to get him to take creatine monohydrate um don't listen to me do your own research go have fun i am not a doctor hooray cool good chat thanks i'm talking to him i'm not talking to you yeah yeah i mean

1:12:25Luke Lafreniere:they know that right like we're just talking to each other they know that oh none of this is advice oh oh i didn't see you there

1:12:37Luke Lafreniere:was that one checkout message yeah i've got like a hundred so let's move on hi hi dan.xy yeah yeah listen to it again luke long torso and gabriel danger

1:12:55Linus Sebastian:that's an amazing name for you i really like gabriel danger that's freaking awesome that's great um linus i might whip that out sometime let's go with

1:13:09Luke Lafreniere:Let's go with Gabriel. Do you think it would be, no, Sir, Mr. Danger, do you think it would be fun to have the kids react to their or each other's videos of you building PCs with them when they were three? Oh, yes, it's fun. We've done it multiple times. It's actually something that we do. We have done as a family at least twice, sat and watched them all with all the kids, and I have done at least once with two of my kids on two separate occasions when their friends are over. What? I gotta be an embarrassing dad. Yeah. Come on. That is completely in character for me. Yeah. Completely.

1:13:50Linus Sebastian:Definitely.

1:13:51Luke Lafreniere:And it's one of those things where like, I've always had a complicated relationship with the idea of featuring our kids in our videos, especially when they were younger. um now that they're bigger it's changing a lot my perspective is is has changed quite a lot we compensate them for their on-time camera we always have um they are reaching a point especially my son where they have have have had experiences of what it's like to be recognized in public for who they are oh really oh well yeah oh man come on do you think the kids at school

1:14:29Linus Sebastian:don't know what the LTT is like I feel like that's different than a random encounter I feel like they're both very impactful but in different ways and for different reasons but do you think the the

1:14:40Luke Lafreniere:school sports ball team doesn't go to other schools there you go and stuff yeah like it just it just happens right and so you know they can they can they're reaching the point now where and you know obviously I'm a dad super biased but I have super smart kids um they're great kids uh where we can have conversations about it. But in the early days, before they were even remotely able to understand or consent to anything, I had a very complicated relationship with it. I mean, obviously, like any parent, I love my kids, I want to show them off. But I didn't want to turn them into like a commodity for the enrichment of the company.

1:15:21Luke Lafreniere:And so those three-year-old builds were just like they felt at the time almost like a lapse in judgment with the first one and then like something that we had to do with the other two because we did it with the first one and we didn't want the classic yeah well the firstborn got all the love and attention and why are there hey why are there only pictures of my brother like we didn't we didn't want to do that looking back at it now i am so glad we did it i wish we'd done more um because they're such a cool little time capsule. They're one of the only times like Yvonne and I are such like busy parents.

1:15:58Luke Lafreniere:Um, we only almost exclusively have pictures of our kids taken on our phones, which like, if you saw Marquez's, uh, every iPhone, the same picture on every iPhone thing that he did recently, he did a short or something. Yeah. Anyway, he, he did it. And you know, when I was taking pictures with my phone 10 years ago, it was not great. Um, and so those videos are one of the only pieces of media that exist of my kids that were shot professionally fair enough so a lot of people will never have any really yeah yeah so yeah it was really cool um and i guess so yes i've done that thank you for your wonderful uh don't check out message i'm gonna throw you one more check out message just because we've got a lot coming in oh tough question for linus do you have a favorite cat oh oh dude okay look i love all my cats equally actually i don't they're just animals and i i don't he's animal farming it i don't actually have the same rules about you know my cats and as i do about like people and my family and stuff i can i can love them better i can love one cat better than another cat um my favorite is is the orange and i'm trying to find oh I must have shoot I must have taken it on Yvonne's phone I'm going to ask her to send it to me she did this thing when she was a kitten can I have that picture of Missy on you for when so she did this thing when she was a kitten where she would actually crawl like right up in here when we were in bed and she would like sleep like in our necks and then when she reached like adolescence every once in a while she would like crawl under the covers and just like camp herself between your thighs and just like hang there and then for long time like six months she didn't do it at all and i don't know what happened but over the last week or so she's just become the biggest mama's girl on the face of the earth and she's been like sleeping like for hours at night just like up on Yvonne's chest or like next to her leg and uh last night she hung out like right between us so she was the middle spoon uh she was she's just being such a she's like she's dumb um you know like sometimes it's not often true but sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason that she's got a single orange brain cell and she just, it's firing at half capacity.

1:18:47Luke Lafreniere:But, but, but she is just, she's sweet and dumb, you know, she's just dumb and sweet. She's just such a sweet, dumb little girl. Wow. Yeah. Our orange.

1:18:57Linus Sebastian:We hammered in there.

1:18:58Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Yeah. And she's, and she's just, she's such, she's such trouble, you know? So her name is, her name is actually mischief. Missy is, Missy is for short. Cause she's just, She's trouble. She's just dumb trouble, but you can't get mad at her. She's just too cute. Brownie's probably the overall family favorite though. I'd say, you know what? Ah, man, Noodle's really great too. He's weird. He's a weird cat. It's a weird name. It makes sense. Yeah, like he'll like run away from me all day and then I'll be, I'll have insomnia and I won't be able to sleep and I'll be like up getting a snack like at two in the morning and he like will almost kill me multiple times as I'm walking down the stairs, rubbing up against my legs and just like looking up at me and like, like he'll get up on, he'll get up on his back legs and he'll like, like reach up and like, he'll like grab onto me and stuff so that I can't walk away from him.

1:19:55Luke Lafreniere:Like, bro, where's this, where's all this love? Like the rest of the time. Yeah. They're, they're all really great. I love, I love cats. Anytime someone tells me they don't like cats, I basically just go, I'm sorry that you haven't met the right cat yet because they're, they're probably just dog people

1:20:10Linus Sebastian:and their dog was terrorized by a cat. So they just didn't like cats.

1:20:13Luke Lafreniere:Maybe that's it. I mean, I'm, I'm a dog person too. I love dogs. Uh, they're just too much work. And that's, I did, I did so much animal care as a kid that I just, I wanted low maintenance animals. Uh, horses are just, there's so much flipping work and cool though. Oh, they're, they're amazing. Oh, I love horses horses are if i had to pick a favorite animal it would probably be horses if i'm being honest with myself they just we had arabs um particular breed of horse not uh like people from certain regions of earth like we arabian horses so we had arabs when i was growing up oh my god i don't know how many people questioned that but all right sounds good i'm just making sure i mean we had that whole incident that one time where i didn't know what a word meant and there was some ambiguity i'm just getting out ahead of it luke i'm getting out ahead of it um i'm my own neo i dodge my own bullets now um anyway we had arabs and they have so much it's a hard stop saying it just say horses it's a breed of horse just say horse then and they're known for being somewhat headstrong and the arabs i yes the arab horses arab horses and um and so all three of our horses they were ladies and they just so arab ladies are headstrong i don't know what it is i like i i like animals that don't give you unconditional love okay yeah sure dogs almost feel too easy in a way i love dogs too like our dog buster um he would sleep in my room all the time we were we were like bffs during those years it was like the best dog we ever had um love dogs but in some ways like i almost have like uh i i for i have this thing where stuff doesn't feel i don't like the easy path

1:22:20Luke Lafreniere:which you know very well i don't like i don't like the easy path okay and i don't feel i don't feel as deep a sense of accomplishment if I didn't work for something. And cats and horses are like that. They can be the most loving, sweet animals. They absolutely have emotions. Anyone who tells you that, you know, a dog especially doesn't feel just, I don't know how to account for that. They just, they clearly not, they're clearly not looking. They're clearly not open to it, right? And cats and horses are absolutely the same. Um, but they just, they have that edge. They weren't domesticated grand scheme of things that long ago.

1:23:13Luke Lafreniere:And so, you know, horses, they'll just, they'll do stuff, right? They'll just like, man, they, you'd be, you'd be working, you'd be working on them, right? You'd be shoveling, you know, shoveling in their stall, or you'd be, you know, brushing them down and doing whatever it is that you're doing. And they, they, they do this thing. You do this thing where they'll look away and they'll step on your foot. And look, unless they're really trying to hurt you, they won't step hard, but they're just... They're just letting you know. They won't break your foot unless they want to. They don't put all their weight on it.

1:23:53Luke Lafreniere:They just... They just let you know. They just... They let you know. One of ours, was one of the Arabs. Yeah, one of our Arabs. Her name was Crazy. Actually, it was Kila, but we called her Crazy because she was... Okay, let me put it this way. When the vet came to artificially inseminate her, which we only had to do because she kept fighting the stallions, the vet said they put enough trank in her to take down a rhino. And she still... Like it, like, like it, she, she was like still kicking. She was, she was, boy, did that thing ever have spirit. She, she was, what a, what an incredible horse loved her anyway.

1:24:39Luke Lafreniere:So I was, so I was riding her one day and another thing that horses will do is they'll, they'll test you, right? They'll test you. They want to know like who's in control here. They always want to know. They're always testing the limits. And one of the things that they'll do is they'll go near trees and branches and stuff, and they'll bug you. They'll know the path is this wide, and there's a skinny sliver right over here that has a branch hanging over it. And they'll try to take that route, just to give you a little branch in the face. Anyway, she got kind of spooked by something, some noise or some animal or some smell.

1:25:17Luke Lafreniere:You never know, right? They can smell things from miles away. and she kind of got spooked and she kind of took off and then she kind of settled a little bit but we were still going a little fast and I was like trying to get her under control and she just was not having it and she went under a thick branch and I saw it coming and I got down and I had a helmet on thankfully but I got down flat on her and it still hit me like right in the head and pushed me right off the back of the horse and she took maybe another three steps and she stopped and she looked back and you could tell in that moment she didn't mean to do that she was like oh i'm sorry like that was i meant to i meant to sass you i didn't mean to hurt you yeah and so i like i went over i basically it was like give her the like you can't you can't okay you can but i wouldn't but i gave her a little like you know one of these like don't do that

1:26:20got back up and was like okay and gave her a little kick okay are we gonna have a good ride here

1:26:27Luke Lafreniere:that was probably the best behaved that she ever was and you can't convince me you will never convince me in a thousand years that an animal you can have that kind of a relationship with and that kind of an experience with doesn't doesn't understand that they're just a dumb animal yeah so I man I love horses even when

1:26:50Linus Sebastian:they're even when they're bad there's this I've heard this thing about how they can they can lock their like joints and tendons so that standing uses like an incredibly low amount of energy I did like a mind-blowingly low amount of energy that's a fun because they're they're prey animals realistically look at the eye position and stuff oh they definitely are so they they don't want to and it can take a lot to get a horse especially if it's like laying down like on its side it can take a lot to get it all the way up yeah um so they want to be able to to just basically stand all the time um and there's this whole thing where like you'll see you know if if a horse if you're like sitting down and a horse like lays down next year or whatever it's actually a very high level sign of trust really

1:27:40Luke Lafreniere:because i was about to say we only had one horse that we've heard this that would lie down um and it was the the full that crazy ultimately eventually birthed her name was trixie and um she would she would lie down in the hay uh not like not like the like the the bedding hay like the food hay um so the other horses would be like standing and like eating the hay and she would just be chilling in the middle of it that was her jam which i've never seen before i have to assume that she like watched one of the dogs do it or something because that's not horse behavior yeah probably anyway all right uh two more topics says dan the producer it's it's on the sign i

1:28:23Linus Sebastian:didn't say it dude i love i love this is slightly off topic still but i love when you see like animals raised by other random animals like birds that are like if it's a single bird and a bunch of dogs it'll like bark at stuff which is just like so funny you see you see all these like just little like oh it learned that from you know it was alone for whatever reason but it was around a bunch of other ones and it learned that that habit from that other animal that's so cool i think it's very very funny um anyways let's talk about turbo quant this was another contributor to

1:28:55Luke Lafreniere:potentially the rampocalypse easing at least a little bit we hope you want to do it yeah google

1:29:04Linus Sebastian:research published a blog post on a compression algorithm called turbo quant you know the uh i'm good uh the the people who started this whole thing and then stopped paying attention have now released another blog post that has a lot of impact uh by reducing the memory footprint of the key value cache of large language models by 6x with zero accuracy loss and no retraining required. That's crazy. Jeez. How it works. Bunch of math over here. Feel free to skip it. We'll touch on it. LLMs encode text in the form of vectors. The key value cache is a digital cheat sheet that stores these vectors so the model doesn't have to recompute them from scratch every time it generates a new word.

1:29:49Linus Sebastian:As a chat session progresses, the KV cache eats more and more GPU memory, which is a problem because it's storing the whole history of the entire conversation. It re-regurgitates it like every time.

1:30:02Luke Lafreniere:Which is why LLMs get so stupid once you have exceeded some reasonable amount of memory that they have allocated to your conversation.

1:30:13Linus Sebastian:Yeah, the KV cache gets compressed over the course of a chat session, but existing compression techniques have to store extra normalization data alongside the compression values, which partially undoes said compression. TurboQuant solves this in two steps. One, PolarQuant. I love that just sick word paired with quant. Eliminates compression overhead by converting vectors into polar coordinates, encoding them with an angle and a distance instead of X and Y, which removes the need for that extra data okay cool that's that's so cool yeah that's

1:30:51Luke Lafreniere:that's almost like that's almost like the end-to-end compression like like like obvious if you think about it kind of like moment from silicon valley like it's yeah instead of storing

1:31:05Linus Sebastian:all of this we just store how you get there sure yeah uh that's so cool a second technique called QJL, or quantized Johnson-Linden-Strauss sick, applies a one-bit error correction to clean up any residual errors. Nice. Which apparently has no negative impact, at least they're saying up above. Together these improve compression efficiency, taking memory usage from 16 bits per number down to just three. Yeah, damn. This compression technique effectively improves inference economics. Wow, very fun. Letting you either extend the context window or serve more users with fewer gpus which uh in both cases is save money um it's important to note that turbo quant does not compress the model itself the model stays the same size it only compresses the information that is generated during a chat session google tested it across standard benchmarks using open source models uh gemma mistral lama uh and got perfect scores on needle-in-haystack tests while achieving up to 8x speed up in attention computation on nvidia h100 gpus compared to uncompressed baselines the initial market reaction was a bit of panic when this paired with the open ai uh actually we haven't talked about that yet okay so i'll talk about a little bit later yeah yeah but that those two things paired to cause some market panic as investors started recalculating how much physical memory the AI industry actually needs.

1:32:40Linus Sebastian:Within hours of Google's blog post, memory stocks dropped. Micron fell 3%. Western Digital lost 4.7%. And SanDisk dropped 5.7%.

1:32:50Luke Lafreniere:Now, the second two are kind of funny to me because neither of them makes RAM, but I'm sure there's a reason for this.

1:32:55Linus Sebastian:Dude, over the pandemic, there was a... What was... Zoom? Zoom?

1:33:02Luke Lafreniere:Oh, yeah.

1:33:02Linus Sebastian:Started getting used a lot and some other stock called Zoom that wasn't the chat system went to the moon because people didn't even do enough research to make sure they're investing in the right thing. The stock market is hilarious. Analysts are saying that it is likely another deep seek moment referring to how the release of the cheaper and also open source deep seek model back in 2020. Back in 2025. Back in my day. caused a trillion dollar market panic before anyone even realized that cheaper AI just means that more people are going to use it. Sandisk's CFO reinforced that theory when he told Bank of America analysts that he actually expects the improved efficiency to boost demand by making AI deployments more accessible.

1:33:47Linus Sebastian:The bigger picture here is that this could be part of a shift where compression and efficiency breakthroughs may start to matter more than how big you can make your model. And that honestly does make sense to me. And techniques like TurboQuant are what could get AI to run locally in a more efficient way. And this is interesting because honestly, for a huge percentage of users, it kind of can do enough for what it is right now. But anyway, so making it more efficient would make sense. A couple of caveats here, mostly for reference, but I'm going to say them anyways, because this is a pretty interesting topic.

1:34:22Linus Sebastian:The underlying research is actually about a year old. The paper first appeared on Rxiv in April of 2025, but it's getting more attention now and have its formal presentation at ICLR 2026 later this month. Google hasn't released official code, but independent devs are already building working implementations from the paper alone. And the real thing to watch is whether major frameworks like lama.ccp, sorry, CPP, olama, or vllm, merge it in. Wow. Actually, like, super cool. Not even just for the home labbers trying to run their own stuff, which this is sick for, but also anyone trying to build the computer because, dear God, hopefully RAM prices come down.

1:35:08Linus Sebastian:And I also... Rxiv is actually pronounced archive. The X is Greek. Sure. Sure, whatever. All right. I... Thanks. oh man hear me out maybe

1:35:26Luke Lafreniere:we don't use this efficiency to just build even more AI like the SanDisk guy said I actually don't think so based on based on OpenAI shutting down Sora 2 and just kind of going oh yeah forget it based on pretty much every app I touch already has ai in it is that really the outcome that we're expecting from this or do we expect them to finally return to some some semblance of fiscal responsibility with this build out i don't

1:36:01Linus Sebastian:know what to expect with any of this stuff anymore to be honest it's that that whole like the market can stay rational longer than you can stay solid rational but yes yeah sure am i just am i just is

1:36:11Luke Lafreniere:this just wishful thinking for me or are we actually you know seeing a return to sanity i don't think we are going to fully return no i don't i don't think we're going to fully return ever but like you know tulips are still worth 17 they're not worthless considering

1:36:29Linus Sebastian:considering the level of impact that this is talking about 6x reduction paired with and like you know you still need the initial vram to like load the freaking model because they're not making the model smaller blah blah blah but it's still a significant reduction of something yeah the inference can get cheaper that's still a good thing oh yeah that paired with the sam altman stuff that we'll talk about shortly oh yeah we can just do that now we probably should those two things paired i suspect will cause an impact i don't think it's going to be super massive. But I do think it'll bring things down a little bit.

1:37:04Linus Sebastian:It already has. This is a

1:37:07Luke Lafreniere:great tweet from our fellow Canadian bros over at Hardware Canucks. It's going to load eventually, but this, man, this site is slow these days. Turns out Sam Altman buying up 40 % of DRAM wafers was actually him writing letters of intent. Letters he supposedly had slash has no intention of converting to actual purchases now. and memory manufacturers are just getting dumped on today uh this was from uh march 30th so this was earlier this week yeah the problem is that hasn't stayed true um no but there are other

1:37:44Linus Sebastian:signals because this is this is and i don't know what they were using i don't know if he was using like google stock whatever but like five days they're up one day they're barely down so they've recovered to where they were yeah this is what i'm saying it's like people heard this news and then went all right i back to business i i think i think we're gonna return to i think we're gonna

1:38:09Luke Lafreniere:return to a little bit of sanity here i think that if people can buy less hyper expensive because here's something to remember too guys the memory is getting way more expensive for gamers in the current climate. The memory is also getting way more expensive for these giant build-outs.

1:38:27Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I just think, I don't think TurboQuant is going to make as much of an impact as people think. You know, 6x reduction on inference memory sounds awesome. You still got to load those models. There's still a lot else going on. Most people that I see when they're specking out, like HomeLab, I've been trying to do some research because I'd really like to have a HomeLab LLM setup thing at some point. Yeah. But RAM's just freaking expensive. But most people that I see specking out systems for that are not talking about do you have enough memory for inference. They're talking about do you have enough memory to load the model.

1:39:04Linus Sebastian:So I don't know how much that's going to move the needle. I don't have a ton of experience running these myself. Hence, I haven't built one yet. But just the looking around on the Level 1 text forum or whatever else I've been doing.

1:39:22Linus Sebastian:I don't see people min-maxing for that. Now, great. You know what? It sounds good. And maybe it will reduce a little bit of demand. I don't know on the data center level.

1:39:35Linus Sebastian:But, and I think that this is why when you said earlier, like, oh, the market drop was because of this. That might even be true. I have no idea what's going on with the markets. But to me, the more real thing feels like the letters of intent being maybe not super legit from Sam Altman.

1:39:52Luke Lafreniere:Well, because he said publicly now that, yeah, that number that I kind of had planned before, it's actually going to be a lot lower from my understanding.

1:39:59Linus Sebastian:Yeah. So that's more real to me. That's like a, okay, this part of the circle of moving money around that has been a huge part of the whole bubble around this AI stuff.

1:40:10Luke Lafreniere:And that has created pressure for everyone else to build faster than they can so that there isn't just like one company left standing that has all the capacity. Yeah, that is cracking a little bit.

1:40:26Linus Sebastian:This is a sign of a crack. I hope so. And that's where I have a lot more hope. This TurboQuant thing sounds super cool on like a technical level and stuff. It sounds awesome. um i don't know how much that is going to cause a reduction in demand of ram in reality um and but the the sam altman thing is like oh there was there was the crack that was them adding ads into their thing where they were like this would be the last ditch thing we would ever do and then they did it like two months later and this is another one of those cracks where it's like yeah we want to buy all this ram and then maybe not maybe we don't actually need that much and there's there's this like you know this standoff of who's gonna say that they they don't have the the capital and the desire first and this is open ai saying that maybe they don't actually have as much capital and desire as they had previously thought which is a big statement then there's the oracle layoffs and the oracle layoffs and like all these other kind of things happening and it's like okay

1:41:30Luke Lafreniere:maybe it's slowing down a little bit um what else we got today yeah oh the wan show channel is live we are multi-streaming lmg clips is officially rebranded to the wan show this is part of the transition where wan show is now officially co-owned 50 50 by me and luke and in the event that anything you know ever happens um this was our way of kind of safeguarding wanshow and making sure that it can just continue to exist and part of that is having it continue to exist on a separate channel youtube.com slash at the wanshow or excuse me at wanshow this one right here so we are multi-streaming to this one and ltd for the time being but over time we are going to be moving to exclusively that channel so this is a soft soft transition and apparently we are actually moving forward with my hilarious plan where we're going to reduce the bit rate on the linus tech tips channel slowly week over week until people kind of go okay all right okay when is that starting i think next week right or dan are you still working on the technical side of that uh no i offered to do it today we should be good uh to start next week okay oh okay my notes say dan is working on it so i that's i assumed that was oh that was right i don't know who wrote that cool i have three encoders and i've set up the second one to have adjustable bit rate hilarious

1:43:05Linus Sebastian:adjustable bit rate can is there a way because i don't think you can with obs is there can you change the bitrate during the stream uh no the encoder gets that would be that would be sociopathic

1:43:19Luke Lafreniere:starting the show at high quality and then slowly degrading it but i don't think so i could

1:43:25Linus Sebastian:probably do that with one of the cameras oh maybe uh i can't adjust the encoder once i lean away

1:43:35Luke Lafreniere:from this is this is next level this is just curiosity really i'm not actually like suggesting

1:43:40Linus Sebastian:filters on this i just like for for me like if i screw up the bitrate on a stream that i start i have to end the stream to change it that's my level of got it so i'm like is whoa i mean that's not just a filter though yeah yeah you could you could tell that was just blur yeah all right yeah Yeah. Dan's cooking. Low bit rate feels kind of unique. I don't know. I wonder if we could data mosh live. That would be kind of fun. I'm going to try that. We don't really move around enough, but. Yeah. You know, if you guys do this. Confetti cannon. Yeah. Yeah. That would work.

1:44:15Luke Lafreniere:All right. All right. All right. All right. We're supposed to do the flow plane announcement for this week. Yeah. We've had 88 weeks of documentation showcasing why WAN was late. has YWAN late been running for over a year oh I guess and those two although episode 21 is out Linus still hasn't done a punishment for being the most late last season oh if you have a suggestion for what Linus should have to do on the WAN show as his punishment let us know in the comments on that most recent episode oh i see so it's over on float plane here it is linus showcases his linux issues why is when late episode 21 okay uh all right good thank you sammy for that very innovative engagement idea i guess i have to do the thing uh anyway while you're over there checking it out at lmg.gg slash floatplane uh we also have oh some uh some some extras for you oh cool this is great uh early access he needs a nas this is really funny it's actually in the intro of the video but ploof goes have you noticed that in all the years i've worked here i have never done anything with storage or networking and i was like oh yeah i no i did not notice that but but but but yes now that you say it um so it's just because it wasn't uh an area of expertise for him and as part of rectifying that and also solving some just data management issues and also because that man just cannot help himself a new hobby shows up and he's like oh yay new hobby um He built himself a NAS.

1:46:10Luke Lafreniere:It's a really good video. His timing is terrible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, as you well know. Oh, yeah. But he had a really good time doing it, and it's a really good video. That's cool. We also are finally releasing this.

1:46:25Linus Sebastian:Oh, wow. Yeah, that's... Hold on.

1:46:30Luke Lafreniere:I'm just going to change this title a little bit. Talking about us being slow. Look, there was a lot of moving pieces on this one. um adam went all the way to nasa to find out how far away a panel has to be from a fan before it impacts the performance it's a pretty cool video with some like waiting to see it for so long next level real science it was filmed so long ago that it talks about the artemis missions in the future tents. Ah, yep. Yep. Yep. Which I guess trends and you, Oh, that's up early access over on

1:47:09Linus Sebastian:float plane. Don't yet. Cause I want to show something fun. Some people haven't noticed that float plane also joined in on the festivities of April 1st. Oh, so we added loot boxes in the top right hand corner. You can see up here, there's a little loot box icon and it's pretty innocent. This is all it does. You click it, it, it does a little animation and then it pops open and you get served a random video that you have access to. Wow. They added a Linus hole to this.

1:47:40Luke Lafreniere:That's because I got a prototype. What a pull. I got a prototype of this.

1:47:45Linus Sebastian:That's a... I had some feedback. That's a rare Pokemon card right there. But yeah, it's kind of fun. So maybe check it out and click the loot box. All right, cool.

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1:49:17Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. So when I saw her MacBook, I was really impressed with how good it still looked. and um that sort of aligns with dbrand's decision to bring it back uh it it ended up being i in my opinion this is my opinion now not dbrand it ended up being in my opinion um a better lasting look than i expected it's it's pretty cool i'm wondering if you can yeah dude i my like

1:49:46Linus Sebastian:gape mouth at the beginning was because that looks amazing well yeah a green xbox a green textured xbox looks awesome i'm i'm kind of a bit of a hater of the xbox just a black rectangle is very boring but um that's sick yeah the touch grass thing i also think it could be kind of fun if i can scroll past this to try to match up some of the blue sky and touch grass i don't know maybe I don't know if you can do a mixture thing when you're checking out, but if you could make like Windows XP background bliss style, that'd be kind of sweet, actually.

1:50:24Luke Lafreniere:I do wonder how dbrand would do just like selling bulk skin of their skins. I feel like I'd probably buy some touch grass. Yeah, if you could just buy like a two foot by two foot sheet or a one by two or something like that. I don't know if they've considered it. legitimately this is not a conversation i've had with anybody over there but yeah let's move on to our next sponsor sorry we went a little long on this one the show is also brought to you by odoo your business doesn't need separate apps for things like tracking sales managing payroll or juggling inventory and manufacturing our sponsor odoo can help you keep your entire business operating on one simple platform when you start a project you can pop everything you need right into odoo's crm app to help you break down what stage of production it's in with things like budget and urgency easily displayed.

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1:51:58Linus Sebastian:else sorry it comes with if you buy the touch grass skin it comes with a free blue sky skin And the little clip he says it as well.

1:52:07Luke Lafreniere:Oh, adorable.

1:52:08Linus Sebastian:So I am genuinely interested to see if someone can make like a Bliss style build through a combination of both. They were way ahead of you.

1:52:17Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, that's cool. Classic dbrand. Yeah, that's sweet. All right. Should we do Gmail now lets you change your old email name without deleting your account? Google is now letting all US Gmail users change the part of their email address before the at gmail.com. Your old address stays connected as an alias. So email sent to it will still reach your inbox.

1:52:41Linus Sebastian:That's pretty based. That is awesome. Especially if you have like some ancient, you know, what's your most embarrassing email alias? Well, I don't have it anymore. Yeah. Ladies boy 54 at hotmail.com. Sorry.

1:52:58Luke Lafreniere:Was that a ladies or lady ladies? You sure it wasn't lady boy.

1:53:02Linus Sebastian:I'm just wondering. This was ladies. I was like, uh, I think I, this would have been like literally like grade five or something.

1:53:13Luke Lafreniere:Early bloomer. Wow. Oh yeah.

1:53:15Linus Sebastian:Oh yeah. I was ready to go.

1:53:19Luke Lafreniere:Ladies boy. All right. Nice. Yeah. Um, yeah, I've talked about mine before, but mine's probably muumuthecow at hotmail.com. That was not, and it had underscores too. So whenever I had to like give it to, whenever I had to say it, I just felt like such an idiot. Yeah, it's mumu underscore the underscore cow. And this is in the early days of email. So occasionally people would start writing the word underscore because like they didn't know what it was and stuff. It was not good times. I'm really glad that I moved on from that. But my later Hotmail actually is not much better. It's whatever. It was the underscore peanuts underscore gallery at hotmail.com.

1:54:01Luke Lafreniere:So long. Yeah, it was really long. Thank you. It's the first time anyone's ever said that to me. Yeah. But it's very funny, at least, because like the peanut gallery is like, you know, the scrub like riffraff, you know, throwing the peanuts or whatever. That's my understanding of it anyway. And so I was just like, yeah, you know, I'm a riffraff, you know, troublemaker. But then I changed it to peanuts because my name is Linus.

1:54:33Luke Lafreniere:anyway um yeah i don't use that anymore either i think i'll just have to keep my work email forever at this point everything is tied to it so i'll just keep that domain forever maybe i've done

1:54:47Linus Sebastian:pretty good at keeping separation of church and state yeah you should i do i had so much stuff

1:54:56Luke Lafreniere:in my NCIX email that I like really shouldn't have. And that was a problem a couple times.

1:55:01Linus Sebastian:I think I also had a bit of a shock because of losing the floatplane club stuff. Right. And then it was like, ah, I need to remember that these things are like not necessarily permanent. Right, we used to use floatplaneclub.com

1:55:15Luke Lafreniere:instead of floatplane.com.

1:55:17Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

1:55:18Luke Lafreniere:I actually forget the whole story of getting the floatplane domain. I'd have to go back and watch the WAN show to know the story again.

1:55:24Linus Sebastian:My good documentation for it is gone because it was in the drive of Full Plane Club. But I know most of the steps that happened.

1:55:37Luke Lafreniere:I know we flew down in person. You did. Yeah. Oh, sorry. I did. Yeah. I know that I had knocked on a literal actual door to get in touch with the guy. Yeah. Which will never not be an amazing story.

1:55:48Linus Sebastian:Yeah. I'm like I'm pretty confident on the details but I know that we have said the story on a previous WAN show so someone's probably got a link to that we just have to find it and it was it was Stonemason someone said he was a Mormon I think it was Stonemasons it's a wild story to be honest but yeah I don't want to do it in justice by saying it wrong

1:56:15Luke Lafreniere:want some more good news?

1:56:17Linus Sebastian:yes It's good news when.

1:56:18Luke Lafreniere:Spotify is adding an exclusive mode audio file feature for Windows PCs. This gives premium subscribers bit perfect audio playback up to 24 bit 44.1 kilohertz flack. So like just actually imperceptible from like perfect quality. This bypasses Windows Audio Mixer and hands Spotify full control of the audio chain. this means that while exclusive mode is on no other apps can play audio through the same device which is probably fine and features like auto mix and crossfade need to be turned off to actually achieve bit perfect output but hey that's really cool that's really cool that's sweet i mean they only recently added lossless streaming last september years behind title apple music and amazon music and now they're taking it a step further so if you're at a windows workstation and you want to just jam out to your Spotify tunes, you can get bit perfect quality.

1:57:13Luke Lafreniere:That is so cool. But our discussion question is, hey, Tidal has had exclusive mode for years and still hasn't beaten Spotify or even approached it in terms of market share. Like, what is up with that? Nobody cares.

1:57:32Luke Lafreniere:But Spotify has. You have one man that you have worked with multiple times in the past who would disagree yep yep gentleman by the name of dms i am using

1:57:43Linus Sebastian:nobody in a uh fairly excessive way dismissive yeah the market masses don't care no i know i'm wrong and it's unfortunate but we also have learned that with video quality and lots of other things as well they'll think it's neat but if they have to pay for it it makes no difference and and they would rather pay for other things um that's fair that's fair but you know what hey competition

1:58:12Luke Lafreniere:makes more features for more people and that's something that i can always get behind and also

1:58:17Linus Sebastian:just hard mid-pandemic i don't have anyone who can cut my hair uh the wanshow buying our domain was crazy that you could have cut i was taking the opportunity to try to grow it out and it just didn't work uh i mean it worked it grew out yeah yeah success it was educational

1:58:37Linus Sebastian:um but yeah apparently that clip so there's a clip from back then that's like 11 and a half minutes long where we talk about it so if you want the accurate actually quite fun story maybe go check that out all right let's do it let's do it i know

1:58:50Luke Lafreniere:you've been waiting the whole time artemis 2 is on route to the moon let's do it let's do it that's your topic hit it oh okay okay hold on hold on before we start yes did you see the shot out the window of the plane. Oh, yeah. Super cool, man. That is a picture for the freaking ages. What a picture. What a photograph. What a moment. What was it, 1973 was the last time? That sounds right. 72, 73, somewhere in there. 70s, yeah. That was one of the things I asked when we...

1:59:31Thank you.

1:59:37Yeah.

1:59:38Luke Lafreniere:Okay. So when you got that tour for me at NASA, that was one of the things that I like pulled the guide aside and was like, Hey, you probably get this question all the time, but like literally the smartwatch on my hand is more powerful than all the computers involved in the Apollo lunar landing missions combined. What's the dealio? how is it so hard to go back and he was talking completely you know just off the record conversationally this is not official nasa whatever so just take it for what it is one non-tour guide who was just having a conversation and basically he's just like well you gotta you gotta understand that like the entire resources fundamentally of the united states federal government wanted to say f*** you to the commies and get there first the kind of resources that NASA had at its disposal at that time was was literally civilization changing right that's one number two is priorities you know low earth orbit or just earth orbit in general has been more

2:00:52Linus Sebastian:economically interesting and it's been where the focus is that's where the ISS is that's where

2:00:57Luke Lafreniere:we've been that's where we've been working a lot of the work that you can do in space you do not need to go to the moon for the moon is like really far um okay so that's two and then number three was um the longer it went the more harder it became because people would retire out or die out

2:01:20Linus Sebastian:who knew how to do it it's as far as my understanding goes a pretty significant amount of it because of the focus being on leo for so long has been similar to something like making like advanced crts or or those machines that you guys used for well not you but you contributed towards uh restoring um reboot oh those tape decks yeah yeah it's like yeah the the expertise is is retired out or passed away or onto something else the spare parts nobody makes the money's not there anymore and the and things aren't getting things aren't getting cheaper to

2:01:56Luke Lafreniere:make no not really like i don't think you could build a saturn 5 rocket today for cheaper than you could have built it back then realistically there are some scale and that level of one-off

2:02:06Linus Sebastian:and those types of things like like mass production is making things a lot cheaper um but yeah crazy uh and there's there are other options like there's you know some of the spacex stuff could get us there and stuff but they're commercial and there there's arguments that could be made that we should have used them for this trip and whatever and blah blah and personally i don't care about any of that i'm just freaking stoked all right back to the moon man tell us about it april 1st crazy day to choose uh nasa launched the artemis no one's gonna believe it the first crewed mission uh since apollo apollo 17 in 1972 it's a crewed mission to the moon No, we're not landing, but still.

2:02:46Linus Sebastian:It's the first time humans have headed there in general in over 50 years, which is crazy. The final engine firing a translunar injection burn happened Thursday at 7.49 p.m. Eastern Time, fully committing to the 10-day mission by propelling the Orion spacecraft out of Earth's orbit towards the moon. This final burn could have been called off if engineers were concerned about the spacecraft systems, resulting in a continued orbit around Earth until the landing route was plotted, but it wasn't, which is freaking awesome. After the mission launched, mission commander Reed Wiseman reported that he was having issues with Microsoft Outlook.

2:03:27Linus Sebastian:Here comes a quote. Here comes a quote. I love it. Go for it. Do it. Do it. Do it. I also see that I have two Microsoft Outlooks, and neither one of these are working. If you want to remote it and check Optimus and those two Outlooks, that would be awesome. Wiseman said on live stream mission control had to remote in to fix the issue with his computer Microsoft hasn't commented as of writing which is Hilarious and then we have the actual audio if we want to listen to that

2:03:53Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, uh, hold on. No, no, I think I think I have it. I think I have it Um Yeah, i'm pulling it up

2:04:07Luke Lafreniere:Here it is

2:04:13Luke Lafreniere:hold on we just gotta we just gotta skip we just gotta skip here hold on where is it yeah i forget exactly where it is but it's somewhere in here

2:04:24Linus Sebastian:yeah uh there's there's been a lot of i don't know it's just so on time energizing i was talking to a a good friend that works over at nasa and i was saying like you know there's a lot of bad things going on in like the world right now but it's oddly uplifting that we're going back to the moon like something about that is just so cool

2:04:51Linus Sebastian:there it is um but yeah i'm pretty sure that i'm pretty sure that's that's canon now it's great and like there's there's also this this show that i've never seen or heard of before but there's this really cool quote from it that is like um i know there's no sound you don't need the sound to know what he's saying the the lessons of icarus isn't that we need to not fly so close to the sun the lesson of icarus should be that we need to build better wings and i'm just like that is just such a cool quote i don't know the show somebody probably knows i don't watch that much tv shows but solid uh i got linked like that clip and i was like man that's freaking sick uh it's just so it feels like good human progress again the AI stuff has so much ick with it but like going and being amongst the stars again is just so cool and like progressing towards this idea of having a moon base is awesome because that's really fun I'm going to mourn the ISS but it's cool that we're doing something else and it's just it's just are you low-key kind of excited that there's a Canadian on board oh yeah absolutely he's awesome and all the interviews with him are super cool uh i i'm happy he's a part of it it's really cool that canada is able to participate in stuff that nasa

2:06:11Luke Lafreniere:does it's nice to see during a time of somewhat frigid relations which has been such an amazing

2:06:17Linus Sebastian:thing about the iss the whole time that canada and the u.s are you know doing this together it's it's kind of weird that before it was a really cool thing that existed during rough relations between the U.S. and Russia. And now space travel stuff is a really cool thing to have during tense relations between the U.S. and Canada. It's like this space stuff just tends to bring people together, which I think is just so cool. And there's all these quotes of astronauts going into space and looking back at Earth and feeling like our petty little squabbles are not things that we should worry about. And we should be focused on other things because of this tiny little pale blue dot and it's i just ah it's so cool yeah dark guy too has a really good message

2:07:04Luke Lafreniere:in float plane chat says i think a lot of people just assume that human knowledge is magically cumulative once something's learned just it's learned forever but maintaining knowledge takes actual effort and tons of stuff has been forgotten and i think that's a really important message right now that is being felt very strongly by anyone who still remembers the events of the early to mid 1940s. We really, we really as a species do not have a species wide memory and it really does take work to remember things. I'm so, I'm so glad to just see people working together to do something really cool. And it's just, it's exciting.

2:07:53Luke Lafreniere:I haven't been able to stop just looking at the news about it. It's just exciting and fun and cool and ludicrously expensive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, I don't know, in like a lost porn kind of way, it's kind of fun to watch in that way as well.

2:08:15Linus Sebastian:Sorry, I've been struggling on whether or not I should address this one, But there's a comment in Flowplane Chat, Imsis, saying getting to the moon is not getting amongst the stars. On the scale of the nearest star, you essentially haven't left the Earth, except you have. Like the distance between one and a million and what I think is a billion is basically a billion is what they're saying. Yeah, the Earth is amongst the stars, so that's fun. But I'm considering basically going to outer space at all. every time watching any launch that goes into outer space whether it's low orbit or not i i think is cool and exciting and this is a form of progress and there's there's theory that uh a base on the moon could help us get towards mars and all this other kind of stuff and we're actually like doing stuff again space progress felt very stagnant for a long time and spacex in a lot of ways really sparked it again which has been really awesome and this feels like a a really cool step forward and NASA actually really doing stuff again which I think is really cool because I don't personally love the idea of it all becoming privatized I think they're being both is really good that's where I'm currently at I don't know I'm sure other people have opinions but yeah it's cool I'm very very happy about all this I'm happy it's so far going really well

2:09:32Luke Lafreniere:hey you want to know what else is going better than ever before Gary's mod creator Gary Newman has partnered with Valve to ensure that user-created content built in Sandbox, the upcoming successor to Gary's Mod, can be sold royalty-free. Yeah, that's cool. That's super cool. I was never a big Gary's Mod guy. I played, what's it called? Hide and Seek, like once. That's where you're like objects or something like that. And you disguise yourself as like a tin can and you go around and then they have to try and find you. Is that called Hide and Seek? In Gary's Mod? Prop Hunt. That's the one. So I played Prop Hunt like once on like a stream with someone or something, I think.

2:10:09Luke Lafreniere:So I was never a big Gary's Mod guy, but obviously I'm an enjoyer of, you know, the silly videos and shenanigans that come out of Gary's Mod. So this is super cool. It's always nice to see Valve do based things. They don't do everything right, but they do seem to sort of generally try to do cool stuff for the most part. And I love to see it. Oh, I'm supposed to do a couple more sponsors. And then, man, we got, we still got quite a few more like good news topics. It's amazing when you go searching for good news, how easy it is to find. And when you allow yourself to be in a negative echo chamber, how easy it is to get enveloped by it.

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2:12:42Linus Sebastian:All right. You want to pick some good news? Yeah. Steam fixes regional pricing issues. Wow. Good news, Wancho. Multiple Steam topics. Valve is making changes to how it's handling regional pricing after users complained about pricing being 20 % to 30 % more expensive in certain regions. Steam's new regional pricing tool has a more up-to-date data for exchange rates and purchasing power across 37 currencies in four regions. Developers can either automatically adjust their pricing via exchange rate, purchasing power, or multivariable conversion. And Valve has said that this most closely matches the method that was previously presented in the pricing tool.

2:13:23Linus Sebastian:That's the multivariable conversion thing. Publishers can still manually set pricing if they want to. But yeah, that's cool.

2:13:30Luke Lafreniere:Our discussion question is that Canada is often lumped in with the U.S. as an economic region. So that's why for ever LTT has talked about pricing in terms of U.S. dollars for the products that we're talking about, whether it's phone or laptop or whatever, because Canadian pricing is not Canadian pricing. It's just U.S. pricing times the Canadian dollar exchange rate for the most part. There are exceptions. um but our question is is there such a difference in purchasing power that canadians should receive different pricing i actually i actually kind of think so it's well yeah it's complicated because hasn't always historically been so and our incomes tend to be lower but our health care costs such as they are general expenses are lower generally tend to be lower as well our gas prices are higher it's been funny watching americans freak out about the gas prices it's just like first time yeah welcome yeah oh and then meanwhile ours are even worse um yeah like like dairy is more expensive like there's there's a lot of stuff that's just like plain more expensive like cheese cheese is so cheap in america you guys have no idea how good you have it god i love cheese yeah um yeah games though is our purchasing power lower enough that we should have probably not maybe yes i don't know it's tough because any perspective that we have is going to be skewed by our upbringing our especially our specific it's

2:15:07Linus Sebastian:also very self-serving to say yes yeah i mean yeah sure so i'm trying to be realistic and I don't know how much, like, I think the average Canadian has less purchasing power than the average American. That would be a guess. That feels true. After all the, everything comes out of the wash. I feel like that's probably true. But what about median? Yeah, I don't know. No idea.

2:15:32Luke Lafreniere:Average, I probably, I don't actually know.

2:15:35Linus Sebastian:It's also just so different. Like, it's actually very, very different being somewhere with socialized Medicare versus being somewhere without. Yeah, it really depends.

2:15:45Luke Lafreniere:It depends. Do you have a pre-existing condition? If you do, you're probably way better off up here, like way better off up here. Or it depends on your employer too. Like a lot of states have what's called at-will employment, which blew me away the first time I heard of it. it pretty much means that unless you're like specifically a protected class and you can make a solid argument that you were discriminated against in a way that infringes on your personal rights your employer can basically just be like don't bother coming in tomorrow which is like wild to think about in like a modern country um but that's like someone says at will is for all states and i hadn't heard that i don't i i'm pretty sure that's not true montana is the exception okay why don't type in all caps all states then it's not all states montana is a state for crying out loud you guys i was technically correct which we all know is the best kind of correct um yeah anyway so that like that like blew me away and it's that's really horrible and then it compounds when you consider that your employer a lot of the time is tied to

2:16:56Linus Sebastian:like being able to get health care there i'm just looking into things so like oh man employment at will applies only during six-month probationary period is like a few different states yep state has public policy exemptions uh good faith applies like there's In classic American style, every single one of them is a fun, unique little snowflake of their own rules.

2:17:27Luke Lafreniere:Dude, when we were figuring out taxation rules back when we were starting up Floatplane. It's absurd. Sometimes down to a county level, it would work differently. And we're kind of sitting here going, well, this is impossible. Surely there must be a service that just does all this for you.

2:17:42Linus Sebastian:It's really kind of cool in some ways and just horrible in other ones. it's yeah as per usual there's upsides and downsides to basically everything um i'm not talking about at will to be clear i'm talking about just the the states all the states being so different um that's wild man yeah like and there's so many ways to manipulate it like uh the the whole vancouver washington thing oh yeah yeah well we i talked about this a lot

2:18:11Luke Lafreniere:back when we were starting up because i was like the biggest hack seems to be to just live in the other Vancouver because Washington had no income tax of any sort at the time. I think they still don't.

2:18:21Linus Sebastian:I have no idea.

2:18:22Luke Lafreniere:And then Vancouver, Washington is right on the border with Oregon. So a lot of people who live in Vancouver, Washington, from my understanding, would go shop for like groceries and essentials and cars and just like anything down in Oregon state where they have income tax, but no sales tax. So you would get the best of both worlds, no income tax and no sales tax when you go to buy stuff.

2:18:43Linus Sebastian:which is just wild yeah that's so crazy and again i mean that's that's like a you know an upside to you as an individual but uh as boom just said legal tax evasion which is like potentially bad for the collective but then it depends because what is the collective actually spending their money on more bombs i guess crystal says oh yeah we're at six percent in cedar rapids

2:19:10Luke Lafreniere:and then Iowa City 40 minutes away is 7%. Sure. Yeah, that's wonderful.

2:19:21Linus Sebastian:Who knows? Oh, man. I know multiple online platforms who have looked at taxation in the States and just been like, well, this is basically impossible to solve. We'll just wait until we get in trouble for it. And there are companies who their entire premise is we will help you deal with taxation in the states. They get it wrong so much. Who can't handle it.

2:19:44Luke Lafreniere:They get it wrong all the time. It has caused their whole job. Serious problems for us over the years because we actually try to do things properly. It is, oh man. Can you Avalara and cry? Avalara isn't perfect either. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Oh, yeah. Oh, Avalara gets it right every time.

2:20:04Linus Sebastian:Sure.

2:20:05Luke Lafreniere:Sure, buddy. It's wild, man.

2:20:08Linus Sebastian:And it's, yeah. Yeah.

2:20:12Luke Lafreniere:Fun times. Yeah, I've learned this lesson so hard, so bent over, so pants down. Like, it's not, yeah, no, no, it's not perfect.

2:20:22Linus Sebastian:Yeah, Blow Butane just said, my state has 80 counties, and technically every county is a separate tax district. And then you have to scale that across all the states and then be on top of what every single one of those is doing.

2:20:36Luke Lafreniere:And it changes.

2:20:40Linus Sebastian:Oh, man. So cool. Very good.

2:20:48Linus Sebastian:Sick, dude. 3 ,143 counties. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize Dan's mic wasn't open, I guess. Yeah, sorry. That's what I was reacting to.

2:20:58Luke Lafreniere:All right. Hey, but in other good news, Neuralink Patient plays World of Warcraft. with his thoughts wow that's right neural link continues to improve we now have a patient playing world of warcraft using only his mind john l noble is a veteran who was paralyzed from the shoulders down in 2016 in 2016 is the 18th patient to receive the neural link n1 implant after receiving the implant in december of 2025 noble has been practicing using a macbook where using it with second nature after just three weeks of practice whoa by day 80 he decided to try playing wow he says he is raiding and exploring azeroth hands-free full speed no mouse no keyboard just intention and what's crazy about that is like i've got i've got the video up here

2:21:59Linus Sebastian:uh what's crazy about that is like you can see at the bottom of his screen here for people who haven't played before all these little tiles those are different like skills and abilities so he's he's using all these different things it seems like you can see his mouse cursor do you see this thing i'm trying to point at it with with mine uh but you can see like a circle kind of floating around so it looks like he's mostly playing the game through i think i think right here i think this is like movement inputs i'm not entirely sure no no he's moving without that because you can tell he's most cursors up there.

2:22:35Linus Sebastian:But he has all these different abilities and he's playing the game still. And I don't know, like, you know, to what degree he's able to do multiple inputs at a time or whatever, like, I have no idea. But the fact that he can play successfully at all is what you're doing it. You're letting Elon put some chips in your brain? I don't want him to do it personally, no. But you'd put an Elon-backed chip, yeah. You'd put an Elon-backed chip in your brain? I mean If I was in this state I would do it immediately I would sign up immediately As of this second No I don't want to do it for myself But yeah dude if I'm paralyzed Sign me up This sounds amazing I'm very happy about that It sounds really really cool

2:23:23Luke Lafreniere:That looks like such a huge Quality of life change Oh yeah dude Wow yeah world changing man can you imagine if he had just stayed focused on doing cool stuff there is some there's some this is cool i know but just the focus the focus seems to have yeah what yeah yeah i'm sorry i went the wrong direction

2:23:52Luke Lafreniere:oh okay i want to talk about the 9950 x3d2 yeah amd announced this super cool chip okay we're talking 16 zen 5 cores we're talking full 3dv cache on both tiles got all the 3dv cache it's a no compromises processor like we've never seen before and hear me out i propose that amd makes it really expensive hear me out hear me out hear me out Hear me out. Hear me out. Hold on. One sec. One sec. I'm going to get there. Okay. I propose that AMD goes full, like, extreme edition, like, FX classic on this. They make it a really expensive Halo flagship thing that most people can't afford. They take that money.

2:24:46Luke Lafreniere:They take that bushel of money that they got and give us a freaking modern Ryzen 3 for once in a couple of generations. did anybody else notice this where is ryzen 3 in the current product stack

2:25:10Luke Lafreniere:yeah even the zen 4 generation ryzen 3 desktop skews the 8300g and the 8300ge were only one zen 4 core and three zen 4c cores we haven't had we don't have a zen 3 a zen 5 rise in three even though like when did zen five freaking launch when did zen five launch remember when amd used to launch the whole stack and you could buy anything from the from a thread ripper all the way down to a rise in three and we were we were g2g it was only dictated by you know how much money you had to spend zen five launched in august of 2024 we are over two and we're over a year and a half into Zen 5 and we don't have a Ryzen 3 yet.

2:26:04Luke Lafreniere:Bring it back. That'd be sweet. Give me a Ryzen 3 because realistically nobody needs this chip. This is not a chip that anybody needs. Pretty cool. Yeah I didn't say it's not cool I said that nobody needs it. Pretty sweet. The 9950X3D already exists with one 3DV cache die and then a regular one. The 9800X3D exists with eight cores that are all 3DV cache if you just don't want to deal with any kind of latency issues across multiple dies. The 9850X3D also exists if you want to slightly faster that. What do you think they're going to do next? Naming scheme. Oh, yeah. We're up to a 10 again. I mean, Intel just went for it and was like, 10 all the things.

2:26:50Luke Lafreniere:And then stopped. What did NVIDIA do? NVIDIA skipped 10 and did 20, if I recall correctly, right? No, no, no. 10 was goaded, right? 1080. What am I talking about? Super goaded. Windows, Windows just... Cloud, we don't need to learn from them. They went straight from 8.1 to 10. I don't think anybody needs to learn from them. They went for it for 10. Yeah. 10. Yeah, maybe they just go... yeah, maybe they just go 10, 10, whatever. I, whatever, I don't, this is a distraction. I want a Ryzen 3. So this cool chip sounds super cool and is really interesting. Nobody really needs it. I'm gonna die on that hill.

2:27:29Luke Lafreniere:Nobody needs a 9950X3D2. If you're all about the gaming, you can get a 9800 or a 9850X3D. If you're all about the multi-core, you can get a 9850X3D0.2. You can get the regular one and you could still game and still do multi-core things on it all day if that pleases you nobody needs this chip so amd price it really high take that bushel of money and use it to make a zen three or a zen five ryzen three it's time it's finally time do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it no balls do it do it that's it i just wanted to talk about that i don't know how to

2:28:10Linus Sebastian:pronounce this y barrel did something on full plane chats uh it pointed out that uh during the wan show assuming we don't kill it in the next couple minutes but like during the wan show uh the artemis 2 will be closer to the moon than to earth pretty cool dude when i was looking at the

2:28:29Luke Lafreniere:speed that they were going like how many thousands of miles per second a lot of people a lot of

2:28:35Linus Sebastian:people realized during that launch how freaking far away the moon is because they're like wait wait why isn't it that close to the moon yet it's like uh yeah it's gonna be a while dude

2:28:50Luke Lafreniere:it's uh yeah yeah what's the um what's what's what's the what's the speed of it speed of our to miss two per second. Oh, it's like 20. It's like completely obscene. 25 ,000 miles per hour or roughly seven miles per second. Sorry, I had that wrong before. According to AI overview, hold on a second. Okay, Wikipedia. I thought it was 24 something is what it's currently. Let's see. 25 ,000 miles per hour, says Wikipedia. 4 ,000 kilometers an hour. That's like, it's just it's unfathomable to go 11 kilometers a second freaking think about 11 kilometers okay i'm going on google maps i'm doing it i'm doing it i'm on i'm on google maps boys uh okay time to not have anything those numbers are wrong oh cool are they uh someone at vulgar chest just yelling um uh no it's fine dan i checked okay okay so hold on where's the where's the little

2:30:02Linus Sebastian:yes here we go this is a cool site issinfo.net slash artemis that's so cool what it is cool uh but you can see so they're listing the velocity in kilometers and seconds So not how we were just doing it, but 1.39 kilometers per second. That's wild. And yeah, you can see the earth and moon differences. So the earth is currently 217 ,500 kilometers away. And the moon is currently 22 ,855 kilometers away. What a cool website. So check this out.

2:30:38Luke Lafreniere:Check this out. Yeah. Okay. At this scale on Google maps. Okay. One kilometer is right here. Yeah. All right. It ends like right there. it ends there oh no it ends a little farther oh man okay get rid of us dan forget it ah everything i own in a box then he has to worry about what we know okay never mind there fine okay you happy also you don't have to do work i understand i get it okay so that's a kilometer that's a kilometer so this is probably about 15 clicks 15 seconds to go from langley to elder grove

2:31:18Linus Sebastian:that's pretty sick like what that's fantastic yeah current at the current moment the velocity i realized on here sorry i i didn't notice this but there's a little switch here you can switch from kilometers to miles and for some reason the velocity comes goes from kilometers per second to miles per hour but sure uh so in miles per hour it's at effectively 3100 well that's because

2:31:37Luke Lafreniere:kilometers per second is meters per second which is sciencey stuff yeah that actually like kind of checks out for americans that use metric for stuff that matters and then use imperial for like daily

2:31:48Linus Sebastian:life sure yeah but yeah it will it will cross it will cross the threshold of being closer to the moon than the earth during wanshow which is just so sick godspeed so cool day three of 10 lunar flyby in two days 21 hours and 39 minutes can't hardly wait sick man i can't believe they're gonna of like like human eyes on the back it's cool it's freaking sweet very cool uh you know what else is hard to not be inspired by this stuff man like i i you see like he's gonna do it again oh yeah i mean we did this once already in the show honestly it's by by grace that you're only getting two so far uh i've seen a bunch of sentiment online of people being genuinely like positively inspired by something that's happening in the world which is so rare right now and i think worth just so so much uh i'll keep it at that but yeah it's awesome agreed really awesome

2:32:49Luke Lafreniere:anthropic the company behind cloud which is how i pronounce it accidentally leaked the entire source code of cloud code ai powered coding assistant on march 31st it was not an april fool's joke the leak happened because someone at anthropic left a source map file in the npm package for cloud code version 2.1.88 source maps are debugging tools that aren't supposed to ship in production and this one pointed to a zip archive on anthropic's own cloud storage containing the full code base uh technical background on source maps basically when code gets compiled for distribution it becomes unreadable and a source map is a reference file that links the scrambled code back to the original so including one is essentially handing out directions to your entire code base security researcher chau fan shu spotted it and shared the finding publicly within hours the code was mirrored across github being forked 50 000 times before anthropic could do anything about it anthropic confirmed the leak in a statement saying this was a release packaging issue caused by human error not a security breach that's good actually and that no customer data or credentials were exposed anthropic then filed dmca notices against over 8 000 github repositories but accidentally took down thousands of legitimate forks of their own public repo in the process forcing them to walk back most of the takedowns whoops i mean i can see how during a crisis people might just kind of be pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew um it rarely makes the crisis better but i understand it uh meanwhile a clean slate rewrite called claw code hit 10 000 stars in a single day making it the fastest growing repository in github history um this is actually the second time that clouds cloud code source has been exposed in just over a year our discussion question it feels like the advent of vibe coding is expanding the threat surface for digital infrastructure creating opportunities for malicious actors to damage in front also for own goal situations like this do you think there's a point where we turn the corner and walk back the fragility we've built into these systems ha ha ha very funny no um very optimistic though um thank you for writing that discussion question what else do we what else do we have mr luke um let's see here that

2:35:13Linus Sebastian:one's kind of Microsoft didn't convince me but Microsoft says it's going to before you start before you start okay I got it because it's going to improve Windows search sure I like it Microsoft's Pavan Davluri recently released a blog post entitled, Our Commitment to Windows Quality. I think we talked about that on WAN. Where numerous pledges were made to improve the current state of Windows. Windows Shell product head, Tally Roth, has been actively replying to user feedback, claiming improvements coming to Windows Search, stating, Simpler and less distracting are definitely in the mix. Some of the focuses Microsoft is working on Are that installed apps appear instantly and consistently

2:36:13Linus Sebastian:Core system components are always discoverable And local files are ranked higher than external suggestions Wow, how the f*** did it take you this long?

2:36:25Luke Lafreniere:This is my naive I believe you face by the way That I've been doing this whole time How are we supposed to trust a company that didn't prioritize all of that in the first place. Insane. This is still good news when news, though, because publicly acknowledging it. At least they're saying it. At least they...

2:36:40Linus Sebastian:It's a step.

2:36:41Luke Lafreniere:At least they know.

2:36:42Linus Sebastian:It's a step.

2:36:43Luke Lafreniere:Oh!

2:36:44Linus Sebastian:It's a step at least vaguely in the correct direction. I don't know if I'm going to say confidently enough that it is in the right direction. I hope so. I haven't seen any action from it yet. Angry Panda PC says, how hard was this?

2:36:56Luke Lafreniere:Maybe it's not a step. We're going to stop the orphan grinding machine. It's like, why did you have one? You're like, thank you, but why? Why was it ever turned on in the first place? And who kept putting orphans in it?

2:37:13Linus Sebastian:So I think it's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kit in full-point chat said intentions of a step. I think that's more accurate. It's not that they stepped in the right direction. It's maybe that they looked that way at least once and thought about it. They're thinking about it.

2:37:26Luke Lafreniere:No key in the chats. It's almost like indexing search and making it offline only was the whole point of search. That's what an index does, isn't it?

2:37:38Linus Sebastian:Am I misunderstanding? Desperately, desperately never need search to look at the internet. Ever. And it shouldn't for anyone. And that sucks.

2:37:48Luke Lafreniere:I wouldn't mind it as a toggle.

2:37:50Linus Sebastian:Sure. Toggle would be fine.

2:37:51Luke Lafreniere:That's right. It's right there.

2:37:52Linus Sebastian:That starts off. It's right there. That would be fine.

2:37:54Luke Lafreniere:And it should use whatever browser I tell it and not ever change it. Ever. Not even one time.

2:38:04Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Okay.

2:38:06Luke Lafreniere:That was the most angry I've ever been about good news.

2:38:09Linus Sebastian:Yeah. But it's still good news. I'm still feeling good. It's that whole pain of fixing thing. They might be fixing it. It might be happening. But it's been so long and so frustrating and so annoying that it just, it's, you know, you rip the bandaid off. It feels bad. You cut open in order to do surgery. That is painful. It feels bad. You need to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's negative parts to fixing things. And I think this has been so frustrating for so long. And there's been so many seemingly bad intentions involved that it's just...

2:38:44Anyways.

2:38:45Luke Lafreniere:This is cool. Researchers have developed ground-penetrating Wi-Fi tech with a 100-meter range. This magnetic induction method of transmitting signals underground could help reach people who are trapped or lost. South Korea's Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute has demonstrated wireless communication 100 meters underground using magnetic induction rather than traditional radio frequencies, which get absorbed by soil and rock pretty much immediately. The system uses a one-meter loop transmitting antenna on the surface and a small handheld receiving sensor and was tested in a limestone environment specifically chosen because it's one of the worst possible conditions for radio signals.

2:39:27Luke Lafreniere:The data rate is not high, just two to four kilobits per second, but that's enough for voice communication. ETRI is already working to shrink the technology into something that could fit in a smartphone with potential applications in mine rescues and underground construction. Our discussion question is, they're already looking at putting it in smartphones. Well, if magnetic induction can punch through 100 meters of solid rock, what does that mean for connectivity in places that have never had it before? I remember I did a really cool course in high school that was just called technology. Imagine, you know, me being interested in that.

2:40:03Luke Lafreniere:And our final project was a submarine. so you had to put three motors on it so that it would have full six axis of six axes of movement and um you had to achieve neutral buoyancy so the the final exam for it was you had to put it into a tank it had to never touch the top never touch the bottom and then you had to like actually sounds pretty complicated yeah it was super cool that's wicked it was simpler than it sounds because like our controller or so so part of the project was waterproofing the motors so we embedded them in film canisters which were a thing when i was in high school um we embedded they were readily available we embedded them and used in lots of projects like that and then uh sealed them in like paraffin wax so we had to make the motors waterproof then we had to run lines to them and we just had like an umbilical cord that went up to a controller that was essentially just three toggle switches so you could toggle your motor forward off or backwards um and anyway so yeah you had to like do a thing and it had to not touch the surface not touch the walls of the tub and not touch the bottom uh not bathtub like a like a tank um anyway it was a real hassle that umbilical cord that umbilical cord sideways i got a good mark and i did manage to achieve the the mission objective but it wasn't exactly flexible and so having that umbilical cord on it sucked could we use this for underwater like oh very interesting like controls and stuff that'd

2:41:32Linus Sebastian:be cool live streams underwater right now you have to run a cable yeah yeah you just have to

2:41:37Luke Lafreniere:just communication in general my understanding is you just like have to run a cable yeah that would be so cool yeah oh low lander yeah land party in a cave yeah i don't know what the appetite would be for that type of content. I think. It's one of the first things that our dear friend Austin Evans sent me this morning. Spacelander. He goes, Highlander 2, my friend? Because he saw yesterday's video.

2:42:12Linus Sebastian:Oh.

2:42:14Luke Lafreniere:So for those who are relatively new to the channel, we hiked to the top of Mount Elbert with some of our friends in the tech space, including Austin Evans and we got a Guinness World Record for the world's highest elevation LAN party, which was actually broken which I love because in a way that legitimizes the fact that anyone else even wanted to legitimizes what we did in my opinion. Yeah.

2:42:42Luke Lafreniere:We got one I wouldn't call it good news I don't know what kind of news to call it because Dude, sorry, one sec. With, with, with way, with portable routers. Oh, the military apparently uses ultra low frequency RF for underwater. But I don't know. Would this be better? Anyway, carry on.

2:43:01Linus Sebastian:With portable routers. And if you don't want to count phones, uh, like steam decks and stuff, it would be so much easier these days. Cause we, we had that like lead acid battery. Oh yeah. Like to do a LAN party. Oh yeah. A hundred percent. With like little tiny puck routers and stuff now. Like, oh yeah. Anyways.

2:43:18Luke Lafreniere:Uh, okay. So basically what I am trying to understand here, there's a bit of growing antagonism towards Ubiquity, the networking company. So let's go through this and then let's talk about it because I'm trying to wrap my brain around it a little bit here. members of the self-described anti-authoritarian art movement pussy riot have occupied ubiquity's manhattan headquarters accusing the american tech company of powering russian war crimes since the disabling of starlink russian soldiers have been said to favor ubiquity hardware as a replacement which i must say is automatically confusing so just a second just a second well oh it's the long-range dishes sure it's just not the same thing though it's not the group has demanded that ubiquity obey u.s sanctions acknowledge russian military use work with ukraine to stop it yahoo finance noted back in january that ubiquity products were legally sold in russia until february of 2022 also noted that ubiquity relies heavily on third-party distribution and sales partners rather than making direct sales to end users okay okay this is one of

2:44:28Linus Sebastian:the things that i had wanted to talk about um because i heard about this a long time ago that but that was my understanding was that they weren't selling it okay so this kind of showed

2:44:39Luke Lafreniere:up in my twitter feed a little bit and i was like okay hold on a second and i'm wondering if the people demanding this understand fully what they're asking for right now ubiquity is one of the few and at their scale the only like network infrastructure companies that is not trying to turn everything into a a gate kept cloud subscription service

2:45:16Linus Sebastian:for the hardware that you bought with like insane amounts of them having the ability to track and sniff and and shut down hardware that you own yeah it feels to me like ubiquity i have not seen

2:45:30Luke Lafreniere:any actual evidence that ubiquity is complicit in any way they're certainly profiting if their third-party resellers are buying ubiquity equipment and breaking the law and they could and selling it

2:45:43Linus Sebastian:to russia they could be they they could know what one of those third-party sellers is facilitating

2:45:51Luke Lafreniere:that and still be working with them i have no idea that they might i i haven't seen that would be a bad but i haven't seen evidence of that yet um however it feels like uh however i don't believe that ubiquity has taken any actual direct action to profit from this conflict and i'm a little confused about sort of the demands here because it feels to me like what we're asking is for ubiquity to put in backdoor controls that allow network infrastructure to just be turned off remotely because we don't agree with what the user is doing with it am i missing something this is one of those ones that i i i am i am very open to

2:46:52Linus Sebastian:i don't understand all the dynamics the almighty q in full plane chat said there's reportedly a call with a ui in this case ubiquity uh-huh uh sales rep saying yes we can send product to russia and it did not specify that it was third party. I've asked them for a link.

2:47:11Luke Lafreniere:Okay, but even if that were the case, there was this one time that an LMG employee said something that doesn't necessarily mean that leadership knew or approved or agreed.

2:47:26Linus Sebastian:I mean, if that is a thing that's actively happening, that's still something that you can get up in arms about and then expect them to make a change.

2:47:32Luke Lafreniere:Right, but what change are you going to ask for? Do you want them to be able to turn off their network switches? No, no, no, no. Oh, oh, oh, I understand.

2:47:40Linus Sebastian:Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, sure. Like, if this is a thing that's happening, even if leadership doesn't know, then they can deal with it.

2:47:47Luke Lafreniere:So, when Bingo Chronified says, shutting off remote drone connections, if they're committing war crimes, feels incredibly chaotic good to me. But the problem is, if they can shut off that one, then they can shut off any other one. And Ubiquity...

2:48:00Linus Sebastian:Yeah, theoretically, Ubiquity would have no ability to do that.

2:48:02Luke Lafreniere:Right. Which, to my knowledge, they, at this time, do not have that built into any of their platforms. So we're asking them to do something that in order for them to do, they would have to fundamentally change their approach of that when you buy a piece of Ubiquiti equipment, you, like, own it and do stuff that you see fit with it. It's also such a false equivalency, like Ubiquiti's long range, like dish, like communication dishes and stuff. It's so incredibly not Starlink. It's not Starlink. It's not low earth orbit internet. It's like from one fixed position to another. And yeah, just Kisool Wildcat says, just stop selling to Russia.

2:48:47Luke Lafreniere:Right. right but if it's going through a third party ubiquity is not selling to Russia

2:48:57I mean if they actually

2:48:59Linus Sebastian:are then like okay

2:49:06Luke Lafreniere:yeah I mean if they are then that's terrible and

2:49:13Luke Lafreniere:I just I haven't I haven't seen i haven't seen evidence so yeah kiss wildcat says it's not third party but how do you know yeah you're assuming that because the equipment is new that it's and we're we're waiting right now

2:49:29Linus Sebastian:so well maybe the stream just went down but uh we're waiting right now so if you guys have a link to any of this that would be interesting all might eq just linked yeah slams ubiquity for

2:49:43Luke Lafreniere:products that keep showing up on the front lines okay do we have proof that they know or where it's how anything about how it's getting there i mean theoretically okay could they could they track a serial number by who they sold it to i mean the thing you got i mean the thing to remember too though is that even the even the ubiquity reseller may not know like it's not like this is it's not like countries like russia or iran countries that are like constantly sanctioned it's not like they're not familiar with the game yeah of buying half a dozen here and half a dozen here and half a dozen here and half a dozen here that make it extremely difficult to narrow down exactly which one of your resellers is doing it or even knows I really do feel like we might be oversimplifying this.

2:50:41Linus Sebastian:This is slightly off topic but I thought it was really funny ADOS and Flowpoint chat linked this picture I thought it was pretty good Cisco Firewall, the Protect Against Chinese backdoors, Huawei Firewall the Protect Against US backdoors, Checkpoint Firewall, the Protect Against Russian backdoors Fortnite Firewall, the Protect Against Israeli backdoors, Palo Alto Firewall I don't know the cool kids have them PF Sense Firewall for good luck and then finally the internal network

2:51:12Luke Lafreniere:Yeah Ball of Rid says They've been doing stuff like this for decades Yeah Pretty much I don't know man We work with Ubiquity a fair bit And so you know I want to know if this is a huge problem. So Wildcat keeps saying the Russians are fielding new equipment in huge volumes. That doesn't actually mean anything. Ubiquity manufactures networking equipment in huge volumes. Like, that doesn't mean that Ubiquity is selling it direct. You just keep saying the same thing. That doesn't change anything, though. Okay, the Almighty Q says, more than a decade after Ubiquiti was fined for reckless disregard for sanctions obligations when its products ended up in Iran, Hunterbrook found Ubiquiti products may still be flowing there.

2:52:07Luke Lafreniere:Current official distributor listed on Ubiquiti's website, Yemen-based Alphatech may be operating branches in Shiraz and Tehran, according to its own Persian language advertisements. In 2014, regulators found Ubiquiti after at least 600 grand of prohibited equipment was diverted to sanctioned something i think that got cut off by okay so we're gonna have to clearly we're gonna have to look into a little bit more but what i will say is that if ubiquity knows that's terrible step one and step two if the thing we're asking for is for them to have central control of the networking equipment that they sell um i don't know that i can get behind that yeah i don't i don't know if they do or not but yeah if they do have if they are able to turn off networking equipment remotely to my knowledge they can't i thought you were saying something

2:53:12Linus Sebastian:else my bad i only heard part of what you said noki said i didn't find a call but i did find And there's a screenshot from an email response from a sales manager from NAG, an online IT retailer that sells Ubiquity items and was once an official Ubiquity reseller, also known as They Aren't Now. According to an archived 2014 Ubiquity webpage in the email, the sales manager clarified that delivery to the occupied territories would take seven or eight days. It's like, okay.

2:53:43Luke Lafreniere:Like if we, if we. this seems like non-tech people not really understanding what they're protesting for the most part but that's what it seems like unless ubiquity knows and is facilitating this in any way

2:53:58Linus Sebastian:we also haven't exactly done like an overwhelming amount of research here to

2:54:03Luke Lafreniere:no we haven't that's that's why i presented this the way i did like i i'm i'm taking only conditional positions here because i do not have all of the information that i would need

2:54:15Linus Sebastian:yeah and uh drac ryu i've heard this as well somewhat infamously the u.s bought titanium from the russians to build the sr-71 to use against the russians uh the the government set up shell companies to buy things from a foreign enemy to counter the foreign enemy like i don't know but then that being said like like we were saying earlier if they're doing this knowingly like if Ubiquiti is very if they're like oh yeah this distributor very obviously just resells their stuff to Russia then they should stop working with them this seems to show good details alright I'm going to check this out

2:54:52Luke Lafreniere:I mean we can take this offline because we've got to get to when after dark

2:55:01Luke Lafreniere:Mr. Den, you want to do the thing? Oh yeah, sure.

2:55:05Linus Sebastian:If we're there, let's do that.

2:55:09Linus Sebastian:Yeah, maybe people don't understand the products that Ubiquiti is selling. Because like this link that was like, oh, this one has good detail. It's like, Ubiquiti has stayed silent unlike SpaceX. SpaceX who has the ability to turn it off, Ubiquiti who doesn't. And its CEO, Robert Perra, owner of Memphis Grizzlies, sure, have not publicly commented on it. uh if i was him i wouldn't yeah what is there to say most prominent manufacturer of wi-fi bridges

2:55:35Luke Lafreniere:like is he gonna like is he gonna sit down and explain to people how networking works he can i actually had dinner with him once he's super smart guy yeah yeah ubiquity's products appear

2:55:45Linus Sebastian:to be widely available in russia mostly sourced from distributors in it says third countries um such as kazakhstan and turkey hunter brooke found one ukrainian communications officer told the outlet that an estimated 80 % of the Russian bridges he observed near the front line had come from ubiquity. Russian units often receive the bridges from volunteers who purchased them using crowdfunded money. So like, what are we talking about? Oh my God. I don't know. Again, there might be more information other than this, but like,

2:56:21Luke Lafreniere:so ubiquity made a thing. I mean, this to me feels a little bit like, you know, storming Linus Torvalds' home office because sanctioned countries are using Linux. Like, I just, what do you want them to do about it? And I'm, like I said, we've worked with Ubiquiti. This is a full disclosure, guys. We've worked with Ubiquiti extensively in the past. If they are actually participating in this, then yeah, condemn. But I haven't seen any actual evidence of it.

2:56:55Linus Sebastian:And it was so awesome when they lost Starlink access. The impact of that was enormous. Like, I wouldn't want this to be helping them, obviously. But like, if, you know, if it came out that a bunch of Russian soldiers had LTT backpacks because people were crowdsourced buying LTT backpacks, we can't remotely turn off the LTT backpacks. So like, I don't know. And there might be more to this story. There absolutely could be more to this story. There might be information that we don't have right now. You know, Flowplane chat linking us stuff is usually pretty good, but it might not have all of the information.

2:57:37Linus Sebastian:Someone linked the call from the vendor. We can't necessarily listen to this right now, but it's also a call from a vendor, right? It's theoretically not them. Okay.

2:57:50Luke Lafreniere:I don't think we have to stay on this topic any longer for now.

2:57:53Linus Sebastian:if they do know that distributors that they're working with are doing this then i expect them to stop working with them cool cool mr den oh wow your fingers are still busy over there

2:58:08Luke Lafreniere:yeah i was not expecting to do 400 today um did we move through the rest of the coins we did quite a few i don't i'm surprised that people didn't think that they were you know i mean we did launch it on march 31st north america time i think we ended up launching our april fools joke around like two hours after it was april 1st in the first time zone so a lot of people were like not ready for it and like legitimately butthurt about us doing an ico or being acquired i had i had one person i think i actually did i did i send this one to you or did i just screenshot it was so funny that was pretty funny i don't know if everyone's gonna yeah but that was pretty funny uh where is it uh i can't funny part was that the writing style

2:58:58Linus Sebastian:was so exactly identical that it's like obviously the same person um hold on i'm not sure which

2:59:06Luke Lafreniere:comment you're talking about the i'm talking about the one where um oh no not that not that uh someone was like explaining to me like mansplaining they wrote me a whole paragraph mansplaining that a company called FOMO Foundry, literally it's FOMO. It's like about capitalizing on people's fear of missing out. And it's so, it's so negative. And it's like, bro, yes, that's the joke. My God. I just can't right now. Oh man. Yeah. Yes. we get it um oh man yeah i feel like a lot of the criticism that we take for stuff like this centers on people thinking they are so much smarter than us that we couldn't have possibly understood their analysis of the thing that we

3:00:15Linus Sebastian:gave to them to understand and you know we do miss things sometimes but oh man yeah maybe just maybe just go touch some grass uh are we doing this topic uh which one i don't know i don't know

3:00:28Luke Lafreniere:it feels like more like part of after dark okay question for you sure should ltd gamerjet q a be a WAN show topic or should it realistically just be a follow-up video because people have

3:00:41Linus Sebastian:a lot of questions about it oh follow-up video is not a terrible idea yeah um I mean is it a

3:00:49Luke Lafreniere:terrible idea it might be a terrible idea maybe it's a terrible maybe it's a terrible idea do you want to talk about it more um I mean there's clearly a lot of things that people want to know about. I'm just trying to Chewy. Chewy sent me a couple things. He sent me a couple summary things. I'm saying do it, coward. Do it, coward. Is that a dare? What's the Disney character?

3:01:18Linus Sebastian:Here's a... Is that a challenge? Would the follow-up video be technically based or is it just talking about the fact that you bought a jet?

3:01:28Luke Lafreniere:It would be answering people's questions about it. So like some of the things that have come up, for instance. Then I don't know if I would do another video. Like how do you reconcile this with past stances on the WAN show, for instance?

3:01:39Linus Sebastian:Yeah, so I wouldn't do a video on that. I would just cover it on WAN show. My reasoning for that is I think I think LTT's channel has been semi-losing its way for a bit. We've talked about this quite a bit. Yeah. And I think a Q &A about the jet that you bought isn't sparking

3:01:58Luke Lafreniere:a passion for technology i'm way more interested in like talking about the ai trend and like memory prices going down exactly quite frankly so i wouldn't make a dedicated video on that that's

3:02:08Linus Sebastian:taking up a an upload slot we can talk about on wancho you should address the questions on wancho

3:02:12Luke Lafreniere:all that kind of stuff for sure um sure but so okay for starters there's a few things that i already know so you guys don't have to type it in the float plane chat or actually dan is there a bunch of stuff in the checkout messages about this should we just do this after and see what we end up addressing already? I said mostly that it was going to be in a topic in the future, but most of them were going to end up being sort of questions that you would pretty much answer anyway. Okay. So there's a, there's a, there was a lot of questions about like moderation across our social platforms in the days leading up to the, the big reveal.

3:02:44Luke Lafreniere:And the simple answer to that is that between the third party moderation teams who are community volunteers, our team internally and me we didn't have clear alignment on what was moderated what wasn't moderated but where it all came from was from a place of for the love of god guys we're announcing this in like two days can we just can we have our fun and can we make a big announcement and can we make a splash on april fools we work it was for we work really hard to make our april fools very very big and very special every year and so i think there ended up being a little bit of confusion about because we've allowed some threads to stay up about it yeah but they've been small they've not really gained a ton of momentum and they were a long time ago and it makes sense that in the like days leading up to the big announcement that you know yeah obviously people were gonna people have known for months some people have known literally for months that our april fools this year was going to involve the tech jet the reddit knew yes for months classic reddit yeah you did it reddit um so in terms of in terms of moderation regarding the jet uh i don't really think there is any guidelines with respect to moderation of the jet what's your other than yes i was gonna to say what is your ongoing yeah ongoing i would say anything that in any way compromises the safety or comfort of anyone on our team me my family anyone to do with that is just obviously like no doi going to be immediately removed and immediately permabanned like that's just kind of obvious um i've i've had some people you know ask how to reconcile that with previous statements that I've made on the WAN show, and I think that's pretty simple.

3:04:42Luke Lafreniere:I never claimed that I was running a platform that allowed absolutely any speech. Never said that. And it's not true today. So by all means, you know, do whatever you're going to do, but that doesn't entitle you to do it on our forum or on our subreddit or in our videos, anything like that. I've had a lot of people ask about, okay what's your strategy with respect to carbon credits and i'm going to tell you guys the exact same thing that i told the writing team because we had kind of an impromptu chat between me and the writers because they're the ones who are probably going to be most impacted by it because their projects potentially they're going to be you know coming with me or you know doing whatever like they're the ones that are most likely to use along with the production crew um and so one of the things that came up was like, okay, well, you know, someone not going to name any names, basically it was like, okay, well, what are we doing about carbon offsets?

3:05:39Luke Lafreniere:And then someone immediately was like, those are bullshit. And they kind of started arguing about it. And I said, Hey guys, that right there is why just like any charitable stuff that we do, that's going to stay between me and Yvonne, because no matter what I say about it, it's going to make someone extremely angry. And I just don't, I don't feel like it. I don't feel like having that conversation. It's going to be Schrodinger's how we're handling this and whatever works for your headcanon, you can tell yourself that. So we're going to leave that alone. I've been asked how I reconcile saying that I was against it before.

3:06:18Luke Lafreniere:I've said both that I'm against it and I have also said that I'd like to try it.

3:06:23Linus Sebastian:did you say that you'd like to try it publicly yeah it's on my show

3:06:27Luke Lafreniere:yeah it's a winchell clip i said i said i'd like to try it um as for the justification i like warren buffett's line so i'm going to steal it he called his first jet the indefensible

3:06:46Luke Lafreniere:okay i don't i don't think there's any justification what justification What I will say is that from a business standpoint, it has been far less stupid than I might have initially imagined. That trip down to San Francisco for ARM was done in a single day. We went down there in the morning, very early in the morning. Didn't love that part. But we went down there in the morning. We were able to attend the keynote. We saw the entire event. We saw the demos. We wrote a script. We shot it. We flew home early, which has never happened before. And this is while the US airports were a complete cluster bomb.

3:07:31Luke Lafreniere:Have you been able to sleep on the plane yet? No, it's a funny thing. This didn't end up making it into the video that I shot with Elijah. But in some ways, it's actually a little bit, there's one way that it is a little bit less comfortable. And that is the social pressure. Because I kind of feel like I'm hosting everyone else who's on it. I don't think you need to, but I understand. I know, but I mean, you've seen it. Like even our cabin crew member. Like I, like I, you know, I don't want to be, I don't, I never want to be rude. Um, you know, and I feel like it's like if someone was in my living room and I was just napping, I'd feel really awkward.

3:08:18Luke Lafreniere:And so far I'm not over that at all on it. Okay. I managed to get about 15 minutes of shut eye on the way down to the, the arm event, but that was only because I had wicked insomnia the night before and I functionally hadn't slept. and even then I only was able to sleep for like a little bit.

3:08:38Luke Lafreniere:I just want to see if there's a couple things that I had written down that people are bringing up a lot that I'd want to kind of talk about. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No, yeah, I think that's about it. All right, Dan, was there anything else in like, I almost called them checkout chats. No, what did we call them? Okay, here's a question.

3:09:03Linus Sebastian:Yeah. The WAN show where you said that you were against it and the WAN show where you said that you'd be interested in trying it.

3:09:09Luke Lafreniere:I think those are different WAN shows if I recall correctly.

3:09:12Linus Sebastian:What's the chronological order of that?

3:09:14Luke Lafreniere:Oh, I actually don't know.

3:09:15Linus Sebastian:Interesting.

3:09:17Luke Lafreniere:I didn't look that close. Because I wonder like,

3:09:20Linus Sebastian:what do you think might have changed? I know part of it was being surprised or this particular deal or whatever being so good. Do you think that's the majority of it? Do you think something else changed?

3:09:35Luke Lafreniere:I think it's a combination of things. I think it's the deal being way better than I expected. And honestly, the biggest one is my uncle being involved. So I've got, there's a couple of people in float plane chat that are asking about how are we handling pilots? So my uncle is a pilot.

3:09:55Linus Sebastian:dude his line in the video he's always like that how do you how do you make something he is so

3:10:01Luke Lafreniere:simple so complicated or whatever he said he is one of the funniest people i've ever met he's so funny um and he's just he's like such a he has such a um almost serious until you know him like he could be almost like kind of serious and a little scary until you know him really well and you realize that he's like such a joker. I don't know. He's, he's, he's really cool. I wish, I wish he wanted to be on camera because you guys would freaking love him. He's, he's awesome. Anyway, so he's, so he's handling the operation. He's a pilot. He has mechanic experience as well. Like he's just so experienced.

3:10:43Luke Lafreniere:And what I said in the video was true. He told me, don't do it, but if you're going to do it, let's do this together i'm literally going to drop everything like he was working and he's like i'm just going to not renew my contracts and let's do it and um he has made it accessible a lot of people have pointed out that i don't have private aircraft money and that is extremely true um like obviously i've i've done okay obviously but what the kinds of people what the kinds of people that i encounter you know in the little the little fbo's the little like private airports and stuff they don't dress like me they don't talk like they don't behave like me i feel extremely out of place they got really fancy hair yeah i mean did you feel a little out of place yeah Yeah.

3:11:42Luke Lafreniere:Remember the carpet they rolled out for that dog? Yeah. You were there for that one,

3:11:47Linus Sebastian:right? I think so. Or you told me, I don't remember if this is a manufactured memory or not. Yeah.

3:11:51Luke Lafreniere:Anyway. So doing this with my uncle and him enabling it through just safety first, but just being scrappy and finding ways to make it economical has been really fun. I've learned

3:12:07Linus Sebastian:so much like so much um i think the most the most fun i had was when we were flying back from new york and i man i didn't know there's a third seat yeah yeah when i just sat there talking to them because i just hunched there i thought i was inconvenient yeah not sat there i was i was standing hunched over their their seats i thought i was inconveniencing them but then every time i'd go to leave they'd keep talking to me and then i ended up staying there for a really long time for like two plus hours i think yeah after a while i kind of got the the the the vibe that i was not inconveniencing them and then i just hung out for a long time and it was really fun talking to them about how the machine to use his language how the machine works uh because like that's going to be way more interesting to me than anything else oh and just hearing all the theory and watching them go through the motions of of how how you deal with like logging fuel usage and and dealing with weather events through the course of i didn't realize you would have a chart of all of the different expected weather events for the entire trip and then you'd have to compare that against what it actually felt like and they have adjusting altitudes they have the old school way and they have their ipads yeah and one of them would do the old school written way and the other one would do the ipad way and then they would compare notes and it's just so the whole thing was that was very fun

3:13:27Luke Lafreniere:that was actually that was super cool um and then yeah the last piece was the content piece and i actually really wish i'd talked about this more in the video but this has already unlocked the ability to do things that just would have been either from a um oh shoot what's the term for it a opportunity cost standpoint or from just a time and logistics standpoint completely impossible we wouldn't have been able to do the wan show live from zero trust world with threat locker if it wasn't for this. Luke, this is hilarious. He made a comment as we were going back to the airport in order to fly back, that last time he went down to Zero Trust World, he spent so long traveling to get down there that we were already leaving by the time he would have still been traveling to arrive there.

3:14:25Linus Sebastian:That was a bit of a special thing because I had a connection through Toronto and that was when uh the the plane and the helicopter smacked into each other or something i think that was the one but the whole airport was having disaster and then i ended up having to stay there overnight and all this kind of stuff but still that did happen so yeah it's also kind of difficult as far as my understanding goes to get a direct flight from vancouver to florida so being able to just do it yourself is a pretty big skip in regards to time it's pretty it's

3:14:56Luke Lafreniere:pretty crazy um and and so from a business standpoint there have already been multiple things that we've kind of looked at and gone this is less stupid than it might initially seem it's a little that's very stupid yeah of course but and then this is another thing not as stupid as you thought this is another thing that i that i wish i had talked about more in the video but like i mean it was a very free wheel it wasn't scripted elijah and i were just hanging out and checking it out he'd never seen it yet yeah there's a couple points where i thought it was no it's not scripted okay yeah we're just that good um but yeah it's it's it's intended to be

3:15:39Linus Sebastian:very temporary like this is not how long do you kind of want to keep it for well my uncle's getting

3:15:45Luke Lafreniere:older he's uh he's not going to be flying forever and so this was this was the window if i wanted to cosplay as a billionaire or taylor swift or whatever by the way fun fact fun fact this is

3:15:59Linus Sebastian:another thing i now have in common with taylor swift he loves this yeah big thighs and both of

3:16:05Luke Lafreniere:us once at some point owned a falcon 900b she apparently used to have a falcon 900b she has a like way way better jet now but yeah yeah i just i thought that was i thought that was funny i

3:16:16Linus Sebastian:immediately asked if they had the same one but apparently no no not this one i was looking to ask is there is there a thing like i know there's a decent amount of pilots that aren't the youngest is that is that a profession that you age out of earlier though it feels like it could be um it

3:16:32Luke Lafreniere:depends so for commercial you age out sooner and then for things like firefighting which is um really really really challenging work from my understanding um you can age out of later and And then corporate aviation, you age out of later. So like the big jumbo jets with hundreds of people on them, you age out of first, is my understanding.

3:16:57Linus Sebastian:So it's not difficulty, it's risk. Sure, that makes sense.

3:17:00Luke Lafreniere:So my uncle is allowed to do what we're doing as long as his health continues to check out. And whatever limitations there are, I'm not an expert on the subject. I've just learned what I've learned from talking to him about it. This is it. this is the window this was our opportunity to do this um this is one of those things that like i've seen a lot of i've seen a lot of feedback about you know well couldn't you have used that to pay people more uh we've talked extensively about our compensation over the last little while and how does lmg spend money we're we're above norms um if someone is not making as much as they would have liked here then i've made it very clear in the past then you should have a conversation about whatever that is, whatever reason that is.

3:17:48Luke Lafreniere:We've scaled our comp both individually and across the entire company very healthfully, especially when you consider the overall macroeconomic conditions over the last few years. The numbers are just the numbers. And if there's someone who disagrees, then they might need to do some introspection at some point about why their number was their number. That's all. And I don't wish anybody ill will. Really do want the best for everyone who's here, whether it's here or whether it's somewhere else and that's and that's totally fine and that's totally healthy to move on and do something somewhere else as well but in terms of sort of the cost here it's not coming out of what we would have spent for HR at all it's coming directly out of what would have normally been profit for the company okay

3:18:40Luke Lafreniere:so when we calculate our profit we're not gonna we're not gonna compare this year to last year without taking it out

3:18:51Linus Sebastian:basically okay yeah sure yeah i'm not i'm not and and it's not a sustainable thing forever

3:18:58Luke Lafreniere:as well i recognize that this is not something that we're going to be able to do forever my uncle's not going to be able to do this forever but while it's happening it's been it's been pretty cool to hang with him and and do this together so if something happens negatively

3:19:18Linus Sebastian:because of company performance yeah the the the jet would have been deleted from that equation

3:19:25Luke Lafreniere:so last year was a tricky year i mean we talked about this in in our all hands recently q1 went really well we it ended up being a perfect storm uh the ship storm sail event like practically saved the year last year and then our projections for the rest of the year were actually looking really good because we were way ahead due to ship storm and then what is it that corporate leaders like to call it headwinds oh yeah i mean it's it's an apt metaphor right now um headwinds hit but the trigger had already been pulled there was no real like backing out at that point because

3:20:04Linus Sebastian:like we've talked on wancho about how the channels are doing worse and stuff yep um and i mean if you look at ltd channel over the last month ish it's been a bloodbath to be completely honest um there was like there was the macbook video and the linux video that just banged yeah and then bloatware did okay and then tiktok teptics uh did really well as well yep that'll that'll be a slow burn that one will do really well in the long term and then it started to just kind of like oh the firetruck video was rough and then we scraped a million a few times and then the this video was and then this video which like should have slapped but nobody's building computers right now so it didn't do that well and then a long burn build guide thing and then this video

3:20:51Luke Lafreniere:which i'm sure that build guide i'm legitimately not worried about yeah one long burn like i said so let me give you the glass half full side of this okay the firetruck videos were committed a long time ago we knew they weren't going to be performers we were fulfilling videos we committed to do okay um we knew the here if you go if you go down a little bit whoa down what the ones that are performing well have in common is that they're back to basics they're back to what made ltt ltt um things like the tiktok hacks um that was remote one is a really cool video i don't know if you've watch that no i really watched the whole thing i really like that that's going to be a slow burn it's going to do great it's it's not a product anybody's heard of like nobody knows what that is i'm not expecting that to get a ton of views right on day one yeah if you go down a little bit

3:21:41Linus Sebastian:farther or when we're getting to things that were very strong oh i thought you started here i i yeah i started right here and already pointed out you can you can go back up um the stuff that's doing

3:21:56Luke Lafreniere:here we'll go back here so the stuff that's doing well still like the uh the korean mall walk for instance is just like back to basic stuff and we're having a lot of conversations internally and we have been for a long time but what we're finally doing is taking solid action on it to make our production process more agile more spur of the moment we're very scheduled we've gotten very big yeah and we've got a lot of people who you know are races right you know who needs to be who needs to be informed and who needs to take action and all of that stuff who's responsible um and that's all you know you know it's all important stuff so that you know people's lives aren't just like running around putting out fires all day but it's made us less agile and so that's that's where that video that i wrote yesterday came from was just like hey what does this workflow look like another thing that i've talked to um the writing team about is i'm going to go back to writing more uh we did one video a little while ago where the lab just did the like the testing in the one pager and i just earphones in wrote it instead of having someone else write it and then i go do a script review um and that was for shoot what was that for it was for um is that cpu launch yeah it was the 9850x3d right uh i think so sounds right anyway so the plan is to start doing two of those a week like now uh where it's just like back to i don't know how to describe it other than just like back to what made ltt fun and and and and feel like hands-on

3:23:42Linus Sebastian:we've talked about this quite a few times on wayne show but yeah ltt's doesn't feel like uh it has its its soul fully intact at the moment like there was there was for a long time it was like where you went to be kind of up to date what with what was going on in like the techie world and i don't mean tech linked because that's news yep i mean like kind of more than that um and it it yeah i don't know wasn't fully fulfilling that for a while and you know what i think i allowed myself to stop having fun yeah tech got really depressing and boring and

3:24:19Luke Lafreniere:you know what good news wan show is another like concrete action that we're taking to just get back to just having fun doing this yeah get back to having fun yeah there is yeah there's there's

3:24:33Linus Sebastian:some stuff it's it's just i don't have any ownership in ldt i don't have any visibility in the finances and all that kind of stuff. But there have been actions taken because of low company performance.

3:24:56Linus Sebastian:So it's a little tough, I guess. But I guess there's separation in jet expenses and that? Yeah, okay. All right.

3:25:05Luke Lafreniere:Yep. I mean, I made it really clear in how does LMG spend money that we expected to get back to closer to 20%. And that's with that separated out. Right, so that's with that peel. That's with it completely out. Yeah, and so realistically right now, temporarily, what would have been my take, I'm just like, well, I'm gonna use it on this GamerJet. We're gonna milk it for some content. We're gonna use it to make travel way more comfortable for me and the team that is going to do this stuff. And hopefully we're going to unlock some pretty cool content because we can go in and out of non-major hubs now.

3:25:44Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

3:25:45Luke Lafreniere:And we can do it at times that are not necessarily normal times. So, you know, a perfect example of something that I'd love to be able to do more is, do you remember that video I did going down and touring Kenton's tech house?

3:25:59Linus Sebastian:Yes.

3:26:00Luke Lafreniere:I'd love to be able to do more stuff like that. so that's the kind of thing that you know if you were sending a like a content suggestion as long as we can find a sponsor to make it make sense because i can tell you right now just a normal like ad insertion like we would typically do in our video is not is not going to cover it like we'd have to be able to we'd have to be able to make the economics if it makes sense but we'd love to be able to do more of like this kind of this kind of stuff yeah yeah yeah that was cool but we can't do stuff like that if it means day of travel day of shooting oh no we missed the cutoff for the last flight back day of travel again i can't be out of office for three days to make one video it just doesn't work right you've you've described this like

3:26:48Linus Sebastian:uh to me at least when we were discussing it pretty early on you called it uh a life phase yeah so i thought was interesting wording i um

3:27:01Luke Lafreniere:it's like it's trying to make it fun again i want to i want to try to i want to try to make it fun again i want to try to you know we're always trying to do something different that no one else can do um i don't think anyone else in the tech youtuber space would have the connections with my uncle in order to be able to do something like this sure um literally and so So, you know, we always want to level it up a bit. We always want to do something different. If it ultimately doesn't work, what I said in the video is true. I've had a lot of people question this, the$0 math. We will be able to get out of this thing for very near what we spent on it.

3:27:41Linus Sebastian:I'm very confident in that. Do you want to talk about one of the things that is reducing expenses because of that contract thing? I want to speak somewhat vaguely, but hopefully I can get it across to you. a maintenance portion of it that is like not being paid intentionally?

3:27:59Luke Lafreniere:No, that's probably too far in the bolts. Sure. I mean, it's not a secret. Basically, engines can be on service plans that effectively are their insurance, but insurance where you know the thing will die and you know when it will die. So basically, it's just a payment plan. So you go on a payment plan for your engine, And then when it reaches the end of its service life, you've effectively paid for the work of having it refurbished. And that's what that plane just went through. So because they're sitting at like zero hours, effectively, the scrappy way to do it is to not enroll it on one of those programs.

3:28:40Luke Lafreniere:Because those will cost hundreds of dollars per flight hour per engine in order to pay for. but if this was something where you were just going to run it into the ground anyway then you can roll the dice and if one of them happens to fail which it probably won't because it's in great near new condition then you just then then you're stuck with a big bill so that's the other thing is it's insurance because if it dies early then then they also cover it there um so right now we are

3:29:09Linus Sebastian:not enrolled in in an engine service plan yeah it's not a safety issue if you flip it then they can then they can decide to do that yeah yeah or we could buy in if we're informed at the

3:29:22Luke Lafreniere:time when it comes to flip it that it's better to have it enrolled are you are you worried about the

3:29:27Linus Sebastian:cost of jet fuel oh yes spiking oh yes um not just in regards to your own usage but in regards to

3:29:35Luke Lafreniere:your ability to flip it um honestly no i i suspect that in the in the time scale that we're going to content and and using this thing the straight's gonna open again i suspect the straight will be open yeah got it and and the oil will flow so to speak yeah the spice the old flowing spice uh did you see any um did you see any more sort of interesting questions i i've i've been really busy answering i'm trying to you know i'm trying to be as thorough as i can right now

3:30:11Linus Sebastian:So I've been pretty focused on answering your questions. Toffridge is saying, can you talk about the timeline for flipping?

3:30:19Luke Lafreniere:Sure. Yeah. So just with the age of everyone involved, the idea that I had in the back of my brain was one to three years and probably closer to the middle of that.

3:30:33Linus Sebastian:And you've had it for, I don't know, half a year now?

3:30:37Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Okay. Yep. um and so depreciation curve this this bird's from 1990 yeah right so um something of this class like this kind of range this kind of passenger capacity that's brand new today would be oh man like 35 to 45 mil or so we are not there anymore we're down here and what's nice about the depreciation curve is it's it's very much it's kind of like a car in that a lot of the depreciation happens really fast and then over time if you buy a 1990 honda civic today and you sell it in two years it will probably be worth as a still functioning vehicle that the doors still roll up and down very similar to what you paid for it because it's already very old unlike a car this has decades of maintenance records and we know that it was taken care of extremely well um so we we we have solid assurance and it just had a new engine put in you know so we have solid assurance that it was in it was at the at the high end of the bottom of that depreciation curve meaning it has some room to go down a little bit more before we will actually lose lose there's

3:31:56Linus Sebastian:also some questions about yeah um can you actually make it a i'm paraphrasing a little bit and leading you a little bit because i know the answer but can you actually make it like a tech jet how

3:32:09Luke Lafreniere:is it going to become a game plane so there's going to be limits in terms of what we can do like really hard limits that was something that very early in the exploration stage of hey is this is this feasible like is this is this something that we could just crazy like do for a bit and then and then not do anymore but but make some cool videos and like we found out that you pretty much can't you can't screw anything into it no yeah no bolts no screws adhesives though so if we were to do like a like a sky high land party or something like that But where we would get into the tech details, you know, we always, I always tell the team, we need to have learning outcomes.

3:32:54Luke Lafreniere:We need to have tech tips, no matter what the video is, no matter what it's about. So what we'd be getting into there is realistically, how light and how low power can we make our systems? Because we're going to be, it's an older bird, 1990. Doesn't have like a super robust auxiliary power system to run, you know, your high spec, you know desktop gaming pc in the cabin um so how light can we get everything how low power can we get everything i think primarily low power yeah we can't bring a giant jackery with us because even though this this was something that like blew my mind i can totally take a sword onto the plane with me because there's no security uh i can't just take any old like giant battery bank that i want you're still subject to like faa guidelines as far as that goes that kind of makes sense i I think totally makes sense.

3:33:45Luke Lafreniere:So if we're bound by just like compliant battery banks and the one outlet we have from the galley, how big of a land can we have? Like I could see that being kind of an interesting video, but you know, realistically, that's not like the first thing I'm going to want to do. I think Elijah, I'm just going to be straight up with you guys. He just wanted to write it. And I was like, okay, if you can contrive a video that gives you an excuse to write it, then you can come on the next trip we're taking. and he pitched one the next day and it was pretty much building a PC while high.

3:34:22Linus Sebastian:Anyway, we're going to say, I feel like you would just go really solid battery life laptops if you weren't trying to make a fun video.

3:34:31Luke Lafreniere:That'd be the smart way. Yeah, yeah, oh, totally. And we're not going to just fly for that because that would be crazy. But basically, the extra cost is just going to be Elijah's per diem and like hotel. And then he's going to ride along to something that we were already doing. Sure. With that had a sponsor and stuff. So that'll be one. But the one that I'm actually most excited to do and Dan, I would like you to join me for this. Oh, it's going to be a lot of fun. It has an in-flight entertainment system. Oh, I didn't really touch on it in the video with Elijah. it is the worst piece of dog that i have ever seen in my life it is the worst implementation execution you can look at animals it's so bad sort of it's so yeah kind of it's so bad and i just dan i'd like you to experience it with me and then i'm excited i'd like to figure out if there's a way for us to without putting in any screws fix it you could use adhesive to put it a screen we could duct tape an ipad to the screen i think we could figure something out i feel like with dan's innovation and that sounds like an intro pancratz wants in too apparently so

3:35:49Linus Sebastian:oh yeah pancratz and dan yeah with with pancratz and dan i feel like we could do something with it i feel like your intro is that you duct tape an ipad to the to the screen that's not bad and this is dan's idea and then no that was my solution but that sounds like a much better thing that i came up with and then you go and then you go like okay well this is my solution

3:36:10Luke Lafreniere:what do you guys want to do that sounds fun yeah so i'm very excited for that video um there was

3:36:17Linus Sebastian:a question i hope i didn't lose it let me go find it uh can you say anything about why the industry

3:36:22Luke Lafreniere:is so secretive about sale price no um i had a few people post that it's bs that there could be any kind of NDA on the sale price. News to me. But I'm just going based on what our lawyer, because there's no way that you buy something like this without a lawyer involved. Our lawyer told my uncle told me is that this agreement, or no, my lawyer told my uncle told Yvonne told me. So something could have gotten missed. But my understanding is that whether it's actually in black and white of the agreement, or whether it's just gentlemanly conduct, it is not something that is disclosed. Who you bought it from, even though you can like look up who owned it.

3:37:09Luke Lafreniere:You can literally look it up, but you don't talk about who owned it or what you paid for it. And you see this a lot. Like if you were to go on here and go Falcon 900B, and by the way, like how wild is it? Oh, bloody hell. uh how wild is it that like for how low volume this world is that it's like this organized and there's like it's like this easy to just browse airplanes yeah anyway um i looked it up there's a lot of this i try to ignore the yeah call for price call for price call for price and this is on older planes that you know realistically have fewer people that are trying to protect you know the actual worth of um and most people are still not disclosing a sale price which i've never understood commercial real estate's like that too call for price why don't you just tell me the price then i know if i have to call you why don't we just not waste anybody's time

3:38:09Linus Sebastian:seems pretty smart to me sir what are you gonna say uh i googled it tried to ignore the ai summary but the ai summary did say that uh sales of private jets and business aircraft very often involve non-disclosure agreements. And then I found this other one, which is some attorney website that says that prior to entering into discussions surrounding the sale and purchase of an aircraft, the party should sign a non-disclosure agreement by which they agree to keep all shared information confidential. Does that include the price?

3:38:38Luke Lafreniere:I don't know, but I don't feel like breaking an NDA today.

3:38:41Linus Sebastian:Yeah, sure. So it's really that simple. Don't know. I think that's it for questions that I've seen in chat. Okay, cool. Yeah. It was, uh,

3:38:56Luke Lafreniere:it was one of those videos that I was like sitting there ready to push publish. And I was like,

3:39:04Luke Lafreniere:but overall the reaction has actually been not that bad. Surprisingly. Like there's, Oh,

3:39:15sorry.

3:39:16Linus Sebastian:I, uh, Someone mentioned that the ISS might have passed the midpoint and my cares about the plane vanished So I'm not there yet. Oh Okay, whoops. No one cares about ground craft. Yeah. Yeah. Why don't you own a spaceship inside the atmosphere? Frickin' loser.

3:39:36Luke Lafreniere:In the atmosphere like some kind of chode. Yo, it did!

3:39:43Linus Sebastian:Just a bit, but it did That is so cool How fast are we moving?

3:39:47Luke Lafreniere:I mean, you can see it on the moon over there Just watching the numbers tick down That's crazy Just watching them tick down like seconds It's weird, it's so fast

3:39:58Linus Sebastian:You forget how fast everything's moving That's crazy Wow At the bottom you can play the expected trajectory Is it this? nope you can play the expected trajectory

3:40:14Luke Lafreniere:there we go play

3:40:22Luke Lafreniere:so cool like the gravity and then they did the math wrong and they're just into deep space

3:40:30Linus Sebastian:hopefully hopefully that's actually funny NASA tracker says it's not oh okay hold on wait wait They can go clean the James Webb. Unity. Hello, L.

3:40:51No.

3:40:58Linus Sebastian:Okay. Distance from Earth. Distance to Moon. Oh, no. Okay.

3:41:02Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Is this updating in real time, though? Oh, yeah. Looks like it.

3:41:06Linus Sebastian:Looks like it.

3:41:07Luke Lafreniere:Okay. all right interesting well let's see how uh let's see how far it can get while we do uh after dark

3:41:13Linus Sebastian:uh time for some checkout messages sure thing it's weird that they disagree hey lld i'm loving

3:41:20Luke Lafreniere:hex os so far what is a good free or lifetime licensed pc backup program you would recommend i mean isn't it included in windows these days also one drive here's a crazy here's a no no no no no like the the windows backup and recovery thing here oh my god oh like that type of pc

3:41:40Linus Sebastian:just said windows backup has become horrible i'm not surprised it's like everything else on windows

3:41:46Luke Lafreniere:wow here's my question hear me out hear me out why you love you have hex os you have a nas just don't store anything on your computer at all either with a separate drive or with a partition you put all your games there and then like dude i don't know man for maybe maybe this is just me but setting up a new windows for me takes like half an hour maybe where like setting up a new phone sucks like that is so days tedious yeah but setting up a setting up a windows computer these days i feel like is really fast apparently you can still use windows 7 backup that's nuts isn't like a separate program i've never done it i've always just fresh installed and then copied files on windows 7 backup let's go windows 7 backup i'm so happy that it's up i'm so happy that it searched it dude look at this how about okay this is the most bs bs confirm and set later How about no?

3:42:52Luke Lafreniere:Where is my no button? It's like, seriously, this has like date rape vibes. You also can't alt it for it. Confirm or do it later. No.

3:43:03Linus Sebastian:How about no? No. No. No. Also, forcing this huge pop-up is really annoying. It could be like a little banner at the bottom or something.

3:43:15Linus Sebastian:Immediately annoying the heck out of people the second they open your browser thing is not the way to get people to use it. How do I download it?

3:43:26Luke Lafreniere:Oh, okay. Backup and restore Windows 7. I don't see this anymore. I don't see this tech tip anymore. This is from December 2024, though. It's not that long ago. All right, well, that might be a thing, but it's not something that I can find immediately. So, man, a good backup program. I always really liked... Shoot, what's that imaging program that I always used to use to... Paragon. Is Paragon still good? Admittedly, I have not used it in a long time.

3:44:05Linus Sebastian:That's a throwback.

3:44:06Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Paragon used to be pretty based.

3:44:11Linus Sebastian:They used to have pretty good data recovery stuff too, didn't they?

3:44:14Luke Lafreniere:oh i use their data recovery stuff yeah their comparison the data stuff stuff's great i um i think i use that for trying to find my bitcoin wallet just going through like so many old partitions it was super useful but it's pretty old clearly and s***ified a little bit oh no they

3:44:34Linus Sebastian:actually do give me pricing and perpetual perpetual license okay based based based is paragon still

3:44:42Luke Lafreniere:good if someone tells me yes paragon is still good then i'm ready to recommend it because i've been really happy with it in the times that i have used it they didn't find my bitcoin wallet but they sure gave me hope uh nice that might be worse

3:45:01Luke Lafreniere:never mind at least at least i might buy a linus coin maybe i'm gonna miss that too nobody seems to hate Paragon. I haven't used it in years. That's a huge defense in current year.

3:45:18Linus Sebastian:That is a pretty huge defense in current year. That's a good point.

3:45:20Luke Lafreniere:Okay, I'm gonna say that, hey, look, they have a community edition for free. You can at least try it.

3:45:30Luke Lafreniere:Like the mass effect. Alright, cool. Okay, let's see. We'll get more. Hey, L, L, and D, I'm really happy with the blank tea quality ordered 10 of them last time oh okay wow cool i hope to get a good coin to buy some more question for linus have you continued vibe coding how did it go i haven't um i mean i don't want to spoil the conclusion for the vibe coding challenge which is still progressing in fact you guys filmed some stuff this week told that you had continued oh i did continue it okay and i tried to continue it but i ran into some walls that i'm sure we're going to talk about

3:46:10Linus Sebastian:this part of the video that's interesting because i was okay i mean we can talk about that part of the video but i heard that you had continued it and we're still continuing it and i was very stunned that you had not hit the walls oh the walls have been hit okay hard that makes a lot more sense

3:46:26Luke Lafreniere:The walls are like halfway between my nose and the back of my head. How flat my face is against the wall.

3:46:33Linus Sebastian:That makes way more sense.

3:46:34Luke Lafreniere:Because I was like, really? I mean, I'm almost 40. I hit the wall a few years ago. You know what I'm saying?

3:46:41Linus Sebastian:There's a good salt and pepper era for men.

3:46:45Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Maybe. Whatever you tell yourself. Yeah. I'm not worried about it. I feel like for the silver fox, you have to be tall. I feel like shorter guys can be good looking when they're young, but I feel like to pull off the silver fox, you like actually have to be tall.

3:47:06Linus Sebastian:You're mostly a man on camera. People can't tell how tall you are unless you're standing next to other people. I think you do have to be tall. You're right. You just got to be more aggressive.

3:47:13Luke Lafreniere:You get some pumps. More aggressive? Okay.

3:47:16Linus Sebastian:You know, you got to be more aggressive about standing on Apple boxes. Oh, Apple boxes. I don't think those beneath you. ever talk about apple boxes apple boxes jeans boots with the fur dead cat with the fur can we even still call them that who knows what are they called if it's not called that i genuinely don't know wind sock a microphone fluff wind sock microphone fluff with the fur it doesn't have the same ring really doesn't all the cameras are pointing at her

3:47:52Luke Lafreniere:hey there dalilu as an aspiring designer of repairable products how does one sell the slack jawed on them without having them come across as gimmicky aimed at diehards or otherwise not

3:48:06Linus Sebastian:quote-unquote normal most consumers will not actually buy something for that reason so you just have to make it really good and then your conviction of things should be repairable is just going to have to exist and make it a repairable object you will have some very loud people on your side if you make it repairable which is awesome but that is basically just marketing and their message is going to have to effectively be this is a really good thing to buy and also it's repairable to actually get through to the other people who will actually buy it and here's

3:48:44Luke Lafreniere:a hard truth you can you can swallow it take it with water um it is gimmicky it is aimed at diehards it is it's a stuff is gimmicky no literally that's what a gimmick is it's like a it's like a for most people who don't care i'm agreeing with you where that most for most people it is gimmicky where they they ultimately are not going to repair it and it's not important to them it just needs to be a good one you you have i would argue that that i don't agree well okay i'm gonna look it up it is does gimmick mean so a gimmick not meaningful uh a trick or device intended to attract attention

3:49:25Linus Sebastian:publicity or business and i'm seeing it often has negative connotations like it's okay not actually

3:49:31Luke Lafreniere:legit or it's not actually a benefit then that's not fair but it's definitely intended to attract attention, publicity, or business. And so that was, that was what I didn't, I, yeah, okay. I yield.

3:49:44Linus Sebastian:Because even if I would argue that I think a lot of people might buy a repairable device that would never repair it under any circumstance, I think that is a fair statement. But in my opinion, that's still completely awesome because the second that person doesn't have that device anymore, it's still repairable by someone else.

3:50:02Luke Lafreniere:I'm not saying it's not awesome. What I was, what I was, i've tried and failed to agree with you that for most of the buyers this will be perceived as just a gimmick because they don't actually care and it just needs to be a good device i just i'm just

3:50:17Linus Sebastian:fighting on the word gimmick but yeah i think most people aren't actually going to value that significantly but if it's just a good device or can do cool things like yeah most people that i know of that have been interested in frameworks the repairability side of the framework is not

3:50:36Luke Lafreniere:the major purchasing factor can you bring it back to money somehow like can you can you can you cost long-term cost of ownership being lower tco like can you can you sell it based on that maybe i don't know what your device is which is totally legit yeah like but that's how you get a business's attention is like what's my total cost of ownership right you could also argue like if this is

3:50:56Linus Sebastian:something that would be used in like a work scenario, for example, if it's repairable, that might mean less downtime. Because if another one breaks and the only way to get the thing working is to fully replace it, you might not have one on hand. But if you have a few little parts on hand or somebody who's handy available there, you might be able to make something to replace it and it's highly repairable and thus more able to be done, then that could be a huge selling point for certain businesses or people out in the field that might not be able to get back to um a workshop very easily but they might be able to swap apart and if you're if you have a you know high repairability score or whatever that might be a lot more viable when you're out um think of like a john deere you really need to be able to repair that thing yourself you really should be able to a freaking john deere dude big jerks um but yeah i think i think sell the utility of it being repairable instead of just saying that it's repairable because to a lot of people I think that doesn't have a lot of value it's interesting it's like the same there's a bunch of companies that have had this realization like shipping with like environmentally friendly packaging doesn't move the needle on sales but you you know people that care about that which is care about that enough to make purchasing decisions is actually a very very small amount of people but those people might be pretty loud about it which might get your name out there more they might advocate for your brand yeah but then it's still their advocation of your brand still needs to include that your thing is good or else the other people aren't going to buy it so you you need both

3:52:36Luke Lafreniere:you can't just go with one see what just happened my computer just restarted it was broadcast message system will restart what the heck sorry uh on the subject of packaging packaging is one that like drives me crazy because it doesn't actually cost that much more to in many cases we've found use packaging that is recyclable or biodegradable it seems like a lot of times it's an active choice and it's like it's the unnecessariness that offends me like how easily they could just just not and i get that most consumers won't care but like it's really easy except when it isn't you know why we have to have plastic bags on the backpacks

3:53:29Luke Lafreniere:container leaking not just leaking but the high humidity and the salt water and the ocean and just like generally it like scuffing anything that isn't sealed because as far as my understanding

3:53:42Linus Sebastian:goes a lot of packaging stuff is because of like just the chaotic environments the the the temperature fluctuations even of containers on ships because they'll go through some like pretty

3:53:56Luke Lafreniere:intense uh hot and cold cycles even um yeah um yes some of the changes on packaging in the u.s warehouse were miscommunications toward Dirk. To say the least. There were some really weird things going on, but we're working it out with our logistics partner there. It should be pretty much resolved at this point.

3:54:23Luke Lafreniere:Did my OS just freaking spontaneously combust? Oh no, there it is. It's coming back. Did you see what happened?

3:54:32Linus Sebastian:No.

3:54:32Luke Lafreniere:Which machine is this? What? it freaking did what hold on r-o-s-e-e-d is broken something okay no kubuntu is booting now what the heck cursed cursed it's never done that before in the entire like month plus of the linux challenge now it hasn't done that that's cursed if you want to fix it just put it on this side of the table no no keep it away from luke why because the car's it'll get too fresh and oh no i'm immune i'm fine i i don't think i've ever seen this blue glowing kubuntu though or maybe it just has never been up long enough in order to glow blue like this before moving past oh yeah oh oh there was a thing in the corner there i missed it i saw it for a sec too there's a there's a curse there's a There's a cursor thing now, too.

3:55:23Luke Lafreniere:There sure is. There's a mouse cursor. I see a mouse cursor. Different kind of cursor. What's going on, man? It's funky. I don't get it, man. Razer, sitting here as the sponsor of the WAN show, being like, our laptop working perfectly.

3:55:43Linus Sebastian:A couple weeks ago, the fan might have been cranked because of Windows updates.

3:55:47Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, that's on Microsoft, though.

3:55:50Linus Sebastian:it took so long to pull that out this isn't uh asus or whatever that laptop is still the cursor oh the cursor just went away oh well is that good or bad move it no okay it's just black now yeah

3:56:04Luke Lafreniere:i wonder if my battery you know what maybe my battery just died i didn't think it would because it was fully charged but we have been sitting here for oh my god four hours uh okay where's the Oh, Dan, did you put this plug in here just for me?

3:56:17Linus Sebastian:Uh, yes. Yes.

3:56:20Luke Lafreniere:When you heard me talk about never having a plug here? It's so nice, Dan. I mean, there was one the whole time. You are the best Daniel Bessler who has ever produced The WAN Show. Thank you.

3:56:39Luke Lafreniere:Shall we continue? We shall. Wow. Okay, I think my battery might have just died. Sure. I hope. We'll figure it out. Linus Curse. G'day, LLD. Can I get an understanding on if it is Linus, his stylist slash wardrobe, or head of marketing's fault, that he keeps teasing me with the black hoodie with the lime green highlights that is no longer sold? Okay, this is what I actually needed my laptop for, because I pulled up a shower thoughts email that I sent to Bridget, who is our head of fashion. We're kind of expressing, I think, some of what I think you're trying to get across. Basically what I said is subject was another data point to consider for how we handle design transitions.

3:57:27Luke Lafreniere:Again, I want to preface this with that. I understand what you guys are doing with the seasonal styles. I still believe in this direction as we transition from merch to a fashion brand. But I don't know how to deal with the unavoidable truth that for the styles that have a very distinctive look and end up on camera a lot, we will not even see their peak demand until well after launch, once they've had a bunch of exposure. Framework Hoodie and LAN, which is the green and black one you're talking about, are the two I've raised this about recently. And I understand the pushback from someone on one of them about how they want to do something new rather than just reprint an old thing.

3:58:04Luke Lafreniere:But I do worry that we may be doing things the fashion way rather than being open to sort of the way that our business, for all of its faults, has kind of worked up till now. I'm not asking for change, just flagging this audience feedback. I hate telling people, too bad you can't buy it when it was only available for a month or two. Also, though, we can't have a repeat of the overstock situation on WAN V2. colon slash face um so some of the ideas that um the team has had is you know we could maybe have some linus's favorites that we bring back sometimes because the challenge right is the minimum or not the minimum even but like the order quantity we try to get it right and a lot of the time at our scale it's the minimum it's the minimum order quantity where it even becomes cost effective because you've got to get fabric, you've got to dye fabric, you've got to cut fabric, you've got to produce this stuff.

3:59:06Luke Lafreniere:And it all happens at a scale that is frankly mind boggling. It's a miracle that we're able to make garments at all, to be honest with you. And then once we sell through all of it, typically the sales are really high and then they kind of peter out, right? Reordering at that time, a lot of the time seems crazy because we can't just order 10. I can't order 10 of these. I have to order something like this, probably anywhere from like two to three thousand of these. So unless the sales at the end of the curve justify what we committed to back when we could count on the beginning of the curve, we're f***ed.

3:59:44Luke Lafreniere:It just it just doesn't with the math doesn't math. And and so but the flip side of that is like, OK, but what about if we like I said in my email, never even saw that demand recover because it wasn't even appearing on camera yet by the time we cleared it out effectively. I don't know.

4:00:06Luke Lafreniere:It's a tough nut to crack. So bringing back some Linus's favorites once in a while is one idea. As part of the new LTT store website, we're going to have a product archive. And I have talked to the team about maybe having a voting system so that we bring back like the top upvoted one sometimes or something like that. I think that could be really cool. But it's just we make so many products because we want to we always want to look forward. Right. We always want to move forward. So we make so many products that.

4:00:40Luke Lafreniere:It's not possible for us to just always perpetually have them always in stock. It just doesn't like work that way in fashion. And that's something that they've really had to kind of beat into my head because I bring more of an electronic sensibility, which operates on like more of a yearly cycle, whereas fashion is fast, man. It's quarterly. Seasons, right? They don't make the rules. And so it's just one of those things that we're learning as we grow and as we change as a company. So in terms of who you can blame, you can blame me. I like that hoodie. And so in the morning, when I look at my hoodies, I often put it on.

4:01:17Linus Sebastian:Should you come into work wearing whatever you want and then there be a wardrobe for you for the day picked out by... There's supposed to be a merch inclusion form. Do you not get to dress yourself anymore? You tiny boy.

4:01:34Luke Lafreniere:I like dressing myself.

4:01:35Linus Sebastian:Nope.

4:01:37Luke Lafreniere:I mean, I already only wear merch. I'm literally wearing the hot dog. We're also not selling... Do we sell the hot dog?

4:01:43Linus Sebastian:Maybe we do still sell that.

4:01:45Luke Lafreniere:I don't think the hot dog is still for sale. Okay. It might be. It might be. I've got cargo pants. I don't know if we carry this color of cargo pants anymore. I'm wearing the underwear, though. Am I wearing prototype socks? I am. I am head to toe.

4:01:56Linus Sebastian:How the heck are the socks coming? I'm sorry.

4:02:00Luke Lafreniere:You told me soon, soon. I know, but it's soon. I don't know. I gotta get the webcam ready. It's late. I don't want to bug Dave right now. Yeah, I know. Don't bug Dave. I'm not gonna bug. Oh, wait. Call him. No, he just messaged. He just messaged. He's around. Okay. Oh. Because I need new socks. Oh, Linus coin is marked as sold out. And the backorder flag has been removed. It's 20 ,000 coins.

4:02:24Linus Sebastian:Nice.

4:02:24Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, that'll burn through a lot of that zinc.

4:02:26Linus Sebastian:I kind of... Yeah. I need new socks.

4:02:32Luke Lafreniere:Okay, I'm asking. I bought a pair of the Darn Tough to see what all the hype was about. Are you sold? Are you sold on Merino Will Blend socks? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Now I want socks. And no disrespect to Darn Tough. at any point they uh they make a great product i don't now i will own two pairs of great socks yep it's gonna be great more cake or whatever the saying is yeah have your cake and your other cake is that is that what you're getting i think it's it's like artists think that you know that other person makes better cake than me and the consumers are just like hell yeah two cakes yeah we've got two brands are great socks now instead of just one you need a we need to fine that looks like grub isn't it yes that's not good why is that not good because it doesn't normally come up when i boot my computer why did you boot into grub oh no you guys you guys saw it you saw it live on wanshow this man's cursed my it's freaking kubuntu can you

4:03:39Linus Sebastian:You boot into Kubuntu off grub? Oh, it went away. You didn't do a selection for too long, I think. It's probably good.

4:03:45Luke Lafreniere:I think it's trying.

4:03:47Linus Sebastian:What are the odds?

4:03:49Luke Lafreniere:You guys freaking saw it. Okay. I think your computer just ran out of power. Maybe that's it. I'm going to check. I'm going to check. That does break laptops.

4:04:10Luke Lafreniere:Is that 10 % now? Do you think it would have charged 10 % in the... Yeah, maybe, maybe. Okay. Okay, maybe my battery just died. You know what? That's going to be the canon explanation for it. My battery died. Okay, no big deal. I mean, that's a pretty scary way for the computer to behave when your battery dies. Windows does handle that better.

4:04:31Luke Lafreniere:um yeah but but no harm no foul all right what's up okay on in shitification plus youtube's moat any insight on how billy billy's economy works so much better than youtube shout out to ltd's billy billy team tech puns have transcended so much language and cultural barrier um billy billy has a lot of just reading it don't look at me like that cool social engagement for the users which is pretty neat okay wait what sorry what was the question I thought it was based around monetization yeah how does their monetization model work economy yeah I'm not talking about platform features as far as I can tell Billy Billy is a flipping huge video platform and has achieved scale is pretty much the only explanation that I can give for it I thought

4:05:20Linus Sebastian:he meant like creator economy stuff I don't think he meant yeah Yeah, Billy Billy is enormous. There's no doubt about that. Yeah. Yeah.

4:05:30Luke Lafreniere:I wonder how our Billy Billy channel is doing. I haven't actually looked at it recently. We're well over a million now, subscribers. That is one of my coolest play buttons. I think it's my second favorite. Yeah. My gold Billy Billy play button.

4:05:48Luke Lafreniere:I can never read views on here. Is that 40 ,000 or 4 ,000 views? I don't know. Four. Is that 4 ,000? He has no idea. Is this four?

4:06:02Linus Sebastian:No, it's not four. Eight? This is why I said he has no idea. Four.

4:06:10Luke Lafreniere:Four people currently watching.

4:06:13Linus Sebastian:So he's right.

4:06:15Luke Lafreniere:I should have even known better. I know this is a person. That's like the one Chinese character I know. He's so mean to me. He doesn't even know that I speak fluent Cantonese. Andy taught me. I don't think this is Cantonese. What the heck is this? I'm not clicking that.

4:06:35Linus Sebastian:I can't try to counter Dan anymore. Maybe it is Cantonese. I don't know. I said speak, not read. No, I don't.

4:06:41Luke Lafreniere:Where's the few counter?

4:06:43Linus Sebastian:I have no idea.

4:06:44Luke Lafreniere:I'm over it.

4:06:49Linus Sebastian:Oh, okay. Sorry. Moving on. I really like their banner. The Billy Billy banner is awesome. What? Just the banner at the top.

4:06:57Luke Lafreniere:Oh yeah, it's cute. It's nice. Remember when YouTube had a personality?

4:07:03Linus Sebastian:Oh, Mr. Beast. Oh God, he's so unsettling. That thumbnail is very unsettling.

4:07:09Luke Lafreniere:Is that? Oh, this is on Billy Billy. Yeah.

4:07:16Luke Lafreniere:I think I can taste his teeth from here.

4:07:19Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

4:07:22Linus Sebastian:Hey, it's Steve, but not Steve. Steve 1989, but it's not Steve. Nice. Solid.

4:07:33Luke Lafreniere:All right. Gray from Oz. Do you run separate VLANs on your home network? I have a VLAN for my IoT devices, but have the issue of changing from my normal to IoT Wi-Fi to use my Sonos. Also, Prismatics WN. Um, I don't know if we're going to do a Prismagic stubby. If we were going to do anything, it'd probably be a transparent. That still sells quite well. Um, as for why I don't bother at home, you answered it. Everything in my home needs to talk to everything in my home. And I don't, can't think of any reason to not. The only, the only exception is that I do have a guest wifi. Um, and from my understanding, when I clicked the guest wifi button, it's doing VLAN magic in the background, but I never actually configured VLANs for it.

4:08:21Luke Lafreniere:what's up boys what are your plans for the summer what are you guys looking forward to the most

4:08:29Luke Lafreniere:honestly uh i'm gonna play a lot of badminton probably yeah same same same thing we do every

4:08:36Linus Sebastian:night pinky i think i think emma and i are gonna have to breathe a little bit after having kind of figured the house out now that there's no mold yeah yeah better better breathe now yeah and then kind of figure it out. I feel like I owe her something. So we'll probably have to go somewhere or something. I don't know. We'll... I'll figure it out.

4:09:11Linus Sebastian:Addos and full-blank chat was like, chicken? Maybe a little more than chicken. Maybe something less

4:09:16Luke Lafreniere:transactional. Yeah. Make the chicken together. You guys are going to make a chicken? I mean, they could dry. Hey, baby. You'll get it one day.

4:09:33Linus Sebastian:I'm going to avoid continuing to comment.

4:09:40Linus Sebastian:Build a coop. If I had land, I feel like I would actually have chickens. But it's so weird. Build a coop in the park. Yeah, anyways.

4:09:48Luke Lafreniere:what is it with you and birds now you i don't remember no this is actually no this is actually completely just for eggs yeah okay so it's just it's a coincidence the only two animals you seem to have any interest in owning are birds total coincidence genuine coincidence okay and that's

4:10:02Linus Sebastian:not true i want a dog okay i'll allow it i want a dog way more than i want birds i just

4:10:10Linus Sebastian:i have reservations about having a dog in an apartment i'm not judging other people makes sense but especially for the size of dog that i would want and the amount that currently in my life with how busy i am i would be able to take them out and do walks and stuff i have

4:10:25Luke Lafreniere:reservations about having a dog in an apartment even for cats who seem to spend a lot of their time just lying around um i was surprised by uh the change in their demeanor that we noticed moving into a bigger house i it's just it was one of those things that was not a factor in our decision whatsoever but they clearly liked it and were clearly more comfortable and every cat that we've every cat we had in our old place always tried to get out the door and every cat that we've had at a new place doesn't try to get out and i i it's a sample size of only several but

4:11:01Linus Sebastian:make of it what you will yeah yeah and like you know if something changes or are you bringing it

4:11:07Luke Lafreniere:Yep. He's bringing it up. He's bringing it up. I am. Let's see. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go.

4:11:17There.

4:11:18Luke Lafreniere:Oh, did we catch it?

4:11:22Linus Sebastian:It's coming. It's coming very, very soon. Oh, I had them reversed. Okay. Okay. We're doing it. Very, very soon. It took me a second as well. Very soon.

4:11:32Luke Lafreniere:Okay. We're at like five, four, three, two oh

4:11:39Linus Sebastian:there it is very good yeah that's pretty cool

4:11:46Luke Lafreniere:yeah

4:11:49Linus Sebastian:man that's sick alright cool history ever ever ever so slightly slowing down but she's moving

4:12:01Luke Lafreniere:loving the good news April linus any suggestions for trying to do touch-ups on a wall that was painted prior to moving in and have no clue what the actual brand or color was is this even possible yeah most paint shops will do paint matching so our color matching so what you'll do is you will actually if you want the best possible match and this is going to feel awful in the moment that you're doing it but you'll cut a piece about this big you'll you'll use like an exacto knife blade so you'll extend it and then you'll kind of like you'll bend the blade a little bit and you'll slice a circle of of paint off of the top of the drywall um ideally um somewhere that has experienced similar fading to the spot you're trying to touch up because not all the paint on your wall is going to be equal things do fade under uv light um and then you'll take that to the paint shop and basically they'll they'll be able to identify the sheen they have a whole pantone probably like system, but they have a whole like, uh, spectrophotometry or, but whatever, some kind of color, uh, might be a colorimeter, but they have some kind of color analysis thing.

4:13:10Luke Lafreniere:And then they will, they will get it to the point where they will get a paint dab. They'll put it on there and it should be pretty much indistinguishable from the thing. Then you get some putty, you putty over the like gouge you took out of your wall, and then you touch up both of them with your paint. You just put it on and then you feather it to blend it a little bit with a very light amount of paint on it you're never going to get the finish the same with a brush as you will with a roller um yeah i mean i guess you there's nothing would prevent you from putting it on with a roller and then also kind of feathering the edges with that but that's the way to do it

4:13:45Luke Lafreniere:hey dilo what games have you been playing with your kids my kids 16m and 10f weird names um are still pretty obsessed with Minecraft. And I introduced my daughter to Untitled Goose Game, which she loves. Sweet. My girls are still super into Minecraft, and my son is, he's a Rocket League fiend. I try to play other games with him, and he just goes back to Rocket League just about every time. He's pretty good at it, so I think it gets comfortable. Is he ranked? I mean, presumably, but I don't know what it is. Yeah. Sorry, I'm out of touch with my kids, apparently. I don't know what his rank in Rocket League is.

4:14:28Luke Lafreniere:That means you're out of touch with your kids. You know what, though? I want to, like, maybe even this weekend, I want to play Goof Troop with them. Unironically goaded Super Nintendo game, and I played it when we were doing Sven's AMD Ultimate Tech Upgrade because he got a RetroTINK 4K, and we hooked his snes up to it oh he has like a b4 i think lg tv oled oh it looks so good and it's really fun it's like we played through the first world together and it's co-op uh and it's just really fun sweet yeah so i'm thinking maybe i'll try and play that luke have you played a crimson dessert no i haven't either but uh i i i it seems like the kind of thing that i'll have to play really it's an rpg right open world rpg yes but a lot of people

4:15:26Linus Sebastian:say that it doesn't get good for like many hours oh that's right i don't know if it's a linus game that might make it not a linus game it sounds like it might be a me game the way that people have talked about it remind me a lot of like the reasons why i liked old bethesda games um just you have no idea what to do and everything is dangerous and everything is weird and there's all these weird different systems and you can use them in kind of broken weird ways but it's a single player game so who cares and you just go mess around yeah i haven't tried it yet i have no idea if it works on linux um i want to try it soon it's been very interesting to me.

4:16:11Linus Sebastian:ProtonDB. Oh boy. First hit for me is

4:16:13Luke Lafreniere:I just created this guide. Oh no. Gold.

4:16:22Luke Lafreniere:Extra flags you can see. Okay, well, it looks like it'll require at least a little tinkering. I've never seen this. It's never come up for me and it's not even on my ignore list. I'm living in a rock.

4:16:37Luke Lafreniere:okay no crimson desert greetings gents played tape to tape with the cousins recently but i had trouble getting more than five controllers connected have you had any luck with this and if so is it possible to learn this power uh are you on the beta branch i don't know if the uh if the old non-beta branch supports it but the beta branch is available in the public branch you just have to click beta branch in the intro screen that could be part of it um another part of it is that um there's a flag in steam um for many controller support um also to go beyond eight you can't use all x input because i believe x input is capped at eight so you'll need at least a couple of d input controllers but yes it can be done we have played 5v5 locally with tape to tape and it is so fun.

4:17:30Luke Lafreniere:It's super fun. Linus, couple videos. You dress up in costumes like in Razor Phone or Star Forge video and it looks like you have tons of fun. Who comes up with these ideas and are you always excited to do dress up? I love costumes. I think they add so much production value. I think they add fun on set. We did that one recently where I dressed up in like a wrestling onesie. That was hilarious. I think everyone has a pretty good time with it. Ploof is particularly an enthusiast when it comes to just playing dress up with Linus the doll.

4:18:15Luke Lafreniere:Linus the cable hero or whatever from the LTT cable launch. That was Adam. I don't know. It's fun. Man... I think when you get too old to enjoy dress up, then it's time to just kind of ask yourself, hey, when did I get not fun? You know? I really liked the... If you're too cool to wear a Halloween costume, like, ask yourself, are you really that cool?

4:18:44Linus Sebastian:What the heck even was it? This was forever ago. We filmed a thing. You and I dressed up in, like, old-timey detective costumes or something. Yeah, for that Cooler Master sponsored video. Sure, yeah. Yeah. Honestly, a lot of the old, really old sponsored video things we would do were really fun. Yeah. Like the origins of, was it TechLinked? Or TechWiki or something? We would dump these videos on that channel. Yeah. And it was like, yeah, I don't know.

4:19:17Luke Lafreniere:Like sponsored, it was a repository for sponsored videos. Yeah. And we would just kind of dump them on there. And then we would also do short tech tip videos just to build up the numbers on that channel. It was never actually intended to be that. It just kind of became that over time. Yeah. And filming those was so much fun.

4:19:35Linus Sebastian:Jumping off the fence with your sword. Oh, God. I hurt myself doing that. Wait, I jumped off the fence. I did a flip. Oh.

4:19:47Luke Lafreniere:That's a fair one up. I didn't land it. so only one of us was up i was down

4:19:59Luke Lafreniere:hi lld i'm currently growing a year growing my beard for a whole year as a bit to mess with my oh my god nokia asks why not do this again i mean i'm down yeah i'm down too i'm down do it we have to find out who did this do it you cowards who crashed their car into the store

4:20:20Luke Lafreniere:uh sorry yeah i don't know whimsy is fun here hi alo d i'm currently growing a year to growing my beard for a whole year as a bit to mess with my wife what is your dream bit and what's stopping

4:20:33Linus Sebastian:you from doing it a one year long bit to mess with your wife might be a little excessive um sorry but is it worth it does this feel like it's gonna pay off have you ever heard of the happy wife happy life thing i tricked you with this thing that you saw happening for a year and it just got grosser and grosser how do you think bothered wife for a year what does that result in? Divorce speedrun? Yeah.

4:21:08Luke Lafreniere:The bit is I come home and I'm completely clean-shaven after having a beard my whole life. Yeah.

4:21:17Linus Sebastian:Isn't that a bit? And like fairly quickly reversible. Yeah.

4:21:23Luke Lafreniere:Depends how long the beard was. This one's reversible too. He just has to decide to reverse it. Mm-hmm. Um... Man, I don't know if I have a dream bit, but there is a funny one that I thought of. We just bought like a Jesus costume so that I can do a thing. Basically, I just thought of the idea of turning water into Segway. And I was like, can we get a Jesus costume? And so re-sorted one for me.

4:21:48Linus Sebastian:Immediately.

4:21:49Luke Lafreniere:I haven't written it into a video yet. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You're going to be, you can be Jesus. Oh man. That's, that's the old answer. I think it was just one of those late night thoughts. I was like, turn water into segway those are the best teach a man to segway he can feed himself and his jet give a man a segway I don't know oh my god

4:22:19Linus Sebastian:I don't think we should be allowed to be creative but that's excellent okay

4:22:26Luke Lafreniere:no I can't I need a second Linus last year you said you want to do a video reflecting on thinking of retiring live stream he can't he's gonna rise again do you still have thoughts do you still have thoughts to share about it now do you think of it differently compared to a year ago

4:22:47Linus Sebastian:I've been thinking of selling my jet

4:22:49Luke Lafreniere:oh man

4:22:55Luke Lafreniere:I think what I'm more focused on right now is just trying to find the fun again just doing cool stuff, finding cool tech, finding cool news, finding exciting stuff to do and doing that and assembling a crack team that is laser focused on doing that. That's the short version of it. I'm coming up on my 40th. I told Luke this the other day. that's caused a lot of introspection lately.

4:23:40Luke Lafreniere:And I think if my midlife crisis can be doing some wacky stuff, some high budget wacky stuff and, you know, finding the fun and making it, making it really enjoyable to work again. Then I, then I will consider that a success.

4:24:02Linus Sebastian:By the way, for people that don't know, I just think this is so cool. NASA's YouTube channel is just sending a continuous live feed right now, which is just sweet. And they'll switch back and forth between this and Mission Control.

4:24:24Luke Lafreniere:That is so cool. I didn't even have to buy a color TV this time. Can you imagine just like, not yeah i mean you might not have to imagine but like how cool is it going to be for them after this like multi-day journey to have on the way back oh i wasn't even thinking about that but just like like can you imagine sitting in there having just seen the back of the moon with human you're one of four people who has seen the back of the moon with your real human eyes and just like the energy in there oh yeah oh yeah it'd be fantastic so cool i love as well who i how i

4:25:04Linus Sebastian:just directed everyone to go there and then the dude spun around and like pointed his butt right at the camera um nasa spaceflight has full live commentary thing yeah i i suspect um Spaceflight Now is also doing stuff. Let's see. Are they?

4:25:27Luke Lafreniere:I have an answer for you, by the way. It's not as exciting as Spaceflight, but it is regarding the socks. Oh?

4:25:36Luke Lafreniere:Midsummer. Late summer? Before August.

4:25:42Linus Sebastian:That's not... Well, I thought it was sooner. Yeah, Spaceflight Now does have a 24-7 stream. There's a lot of them. It's really cool. that's not what i was looking for before august sorry okay

4:26:00Luke Lafreniere:dear lilu and da what's the coolest branded pc or console product you guys have ever had the privilege of owning mine are the starfield controller xbox one halo edition and warcraft MSI graphics card.

4:26:18Luke Lafreniere:SteelSeries had that weird wow mouse. Did that count? Did you own that? I mean, I unboxed one. Oh. I can tell you one that I'm not a fan of. Asus sent over a sample of this PX13 ProArt laptop, which is a super cool laptop. It has weird GoPro co-branding. Yeah, I don't get it. So it just has a GoPro logo and then it has a GoPro button. I'm on Linux right now, so I have no idea what the GoPro button even does. But then it just, it has like GoPro art. GoPro art. Pro art GoPro. Be the hero of your story on the bottom. Like, I don't know. GoPro seems like a fine brand, but it just seems very random.

4:27:00Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, it's just weird. Viscous Cree says it's got to be the gold Xbox controller. That's not co-branded. That's just, that's just ridiculous. Last one I got for you.

4:27:10Linus Sebastian:What?

4:27:11Luke Lafreniere:I didn't get an answer from Luke.

4:27:13Linus Sebastian:I don't know if I literally have any. He would have had to buy something.

4:27:17Luke Lafreniere:You have a Pokemon branded computer. No.

4:27:20Linus Sebastian:It's not branded. It's themed. It's specifically not branded. It's got a trainer on it. It's themed. Whoa. Whoa. Alright, what's next? Dude, you're taking off. You're going to go join Artemis. That was crazy. Last one I got for you.

4:27:42Luke Lafreniere:What home automation or smart home solution that you've implemented has been your favorite? And which would you consider most essential? I'm a space cadet. So the notification that I get if I've left my garage door open is by far the most important smart home automation that I have in my life.

4:28:01Luke Lafreniere:I just forget. I can literally, I don't even know if I have full object persistence at this point. because I can be looking at my garage going, I need to close that. And then I can look at the road and I no longer remember my garage exists. So yeah, it helps a lot.

4:28:20Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

4:28:23Luke Lafreniere:And that's all we got. Thank you so much for tuning in. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time. Different channel. That's right. You got to go to the WAN Show channel now. going forward.

4:28:40Linus Sebastian:You could come here, but it will be worse. Yeah. Unless you're on flow plane.

4:28:48Linus Sebastian:Or Twitch? Are we leaving Twitch alone? We're going to leave them alone forever. You're being left alone. Bye!

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