Intel's CEO Needs to GO.... - WAN Show August 8, 2025

19:27Linus Sebastian:like fight someone to get a car is more like and there is there is a yeah there's just there's a lot of people here working and not an incredible amount of people here uh attending it seems

19:46Luke Lafreniere:oh man the chat is so dude the chat is too real right now avon fox says vegas was a magnet for the poor with hopes no one can afford to go there now even for hope yikes honestly i think kren nailed it though everyone's just sports betting now yeah like why go why go to vegas

20:08Linus Sebastian:to do that.

20:10Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. When you can do it from the toilet.

20:12Linus Sebastian:And there was sports betting in Vegas before. Yeah, I mean, but you could play blackjack and slots online before, and Vegas was still popular.

20:22Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, that's true.

20:24Linus Sebastian:And they have arenas here now, like they have the Vegas Golden Knights. So you can come bet

20:28Luke Lafreniere:on sports in person.

20:30Linus Sebastian:Yeah. But it might just be a generational shift. And, you know, like you're saying, k-shaped economy the lower end doesn't have as much money to blow on gambling i know people don't stop spending in some cases they spend more on entertainment uh when the economy's bad because everything sucks they want to make themselves feel better so they they spend money on entertainment um but traveling somewhere in order to blow all your money is maybe uh one of the first things i is maybe one of the first things for some people to go when it comes to entertain this meeting.

21:09Luke Lafreniere:Oh, which airline just did a bunch of layoffs? Hold on, who was it? No. I thought someone did. Oh, no, maybe I was reading about the strike. Oh, yeah, Spirit. Spirit says that they're going to furlough 270 pilots. I don't know if Spirit's just doing bad, though. So, yeah, make of that what you will. SolidDeer says Southwest is having a hard time, apparently, though.

21:38Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I don't know. It's a funny thing because I keep, I keep, people seem to be generally afraid to use the R word. Recession. What? What? What, Dan? What'd you think I was going to say? my stocks I gotta sell people seem to be afraid to use the R word and yet everything that I can see is like

22:12Linus Sebastian:unemployment's incredibly high layoffs are happening all over the place are we gonna use the word? we're losing a lot of good jobs and gaining a bunch of junk jobs

22:18Luke Lafreniere:luxury brands are downgrading their guidance due to softening demand And I, man, I got, dude, can I, just as an aside. Okay. So I was also traveling this week. I actually just got back this morning. I went to Edmonton. It's a funny thing. I never really did much travel within Canada. But this summer we were looking to go somewhere and we were like, what the heck? Why don't we road trip? And then the Smash Champs grand opening tournament got eczema-dentally scheduled for the time when we would have been driving. So we flew there, but whatever. the point is that we decided to go to edmonton i i'd never actually been to west edmonton mall did you know that it is the 29th largest mall in the world no yeah it is it's the 29th largest mall in the world i feel like that number was a lot higher when i was there probably i mean it was built in like the 80s and it definitely shows but you know what for a short trip right like we were only there for three days um yeah living in the mall kind of cool we stayed in the fantasy land hotel or fantasy suites hotel or something like that every floor has a different theme uh so my kids were um what was it like pirate theme or something like that i forget they were like treasure cove theme or something and then uh yvonne and i were um like tiki theme of some sort anyway the point is like they've got all these different kinds of themes and you walk out of your hotel you don't even walk out of your hotel you walk out from the elevator and you just like walk into the mall and it's like oh well i could go i could go grab a yoga and fru's or i could go ice skating uh they have a two-level go-kart track that the water park is also like actually awesome we spent an entire day at the water park i have a great slow-mo video um of yvonne in the tube at the top of uh at the top of the the cyclone i think it's called um so the one that goes almost a vertical drop and then goes around a thing and then rips back down to the yeah uh so i i have her like as as the bottom drops out under it's pretty funny um so yeah no it was uh it was a blast i forget where i was going with this what on earth were we talking about again uh i was in edmonton i was going somewhere with this dan just changed the thing to topic too hold on help me out here guys there is a topic for you being in edmonton

24:51Linus Sebastian:uh is there yeah yeah somewhere why was i in edmonton oh for some reason linus went to edmonton

24:57Luke Lafreniere:question mark that's a topic uh oh yeah vegas and traveling oh yeah yeah people in chat called it

25:04Linus Sebastian:You were talking about luxury goods.

25:05Luke Lafreniere:Oh, yeah. Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. So I was basically living in a mall. And I don't get it. I don't get it. There's entire stores. You don't get the mall or what? Literally, there was this store. I don't even remember the brand. Maybe Yvonne would remember the brand. But they literally had, you know, like a velvet rope across the entrance of the store. Like a f*** you You're probably too poor to come in But if you're not I guess you can ask nicely And we can kind of Look you up and down And see if you're good enough to come in You know what f*** off This whole luxury goods thing I just I think that's the whole point I can't stand it Luke I actually can't stand it I don't mind something expensive I'm literally going to try to sell you Fancy stickers for your 70 us dollar screwdriver later later in this show i am going to sell those to you but it's because they have a cost they're the this is it it has a more satisfying ratchet it's like that i can't tell the difference they don't have they don't have four thousand dollars worth of leather on that bag what it's made of the same it's made of the same stupid cow like what are

26:31Linus Sebastian:we even talking about here i love the chinese manufacturing companies going on social media and pointing out like by the way we make all these brands stuff

26:42Luke Lafreniere:now there has been some controversy some of that may not entirely be true some of this stuff is legitimately like made in italy however it is worth noting that just because something is made in italy doesn't necessarily mean that it is made under good conditions with like artisans making it and sometimes both things can be true for the same brand like their their their halo product might actually be like artisan crafted by people who handed down the skill of sewing through generations or whatever, right? There may be a legitimate actual reason or there's like a special cotton that grows in this like one valley where the conditions are ideal or, you know, something.

27:27Luke Lafreniere:And it's like extra special, super awesome or something. Sometimes there is a legitimate sort of, maybe not a reason, but a justification. There's a cost associated with the high price. I guess that's what I'm trying to say. There is a cost associated with making a really nice precision built tool and backing it with the trust me, bro, warranty. Like that is something that has a cost. If we had no warranty, we could drop the price tomorrow because we wouldn't have to absorb warranty claims indefinitely. Like there's just there's there's cost of doing business stuff that everybody ultimately the consumer has to pay for.

28:10Luke Lafreniere:um however there are also products that you look at and you go yeah you the designer who worked on this doesn't even get a credit on it right like it's just under the label so you're not even you're not even like buying the work of a designer that you really like or respect or connect with or whatever because i can understand that as well like we've had we've had products like we've had shirt designs for instance that sarah has drawn on stream and that people appreciate the art of and and will pay to support that me personally that has a value that has a real value but we're we've got this nameless faceless designer who just like works for a company and it's clearly mass-produced which now that i know as much as i know from working with the fine folks at creator warehouse it's pretty easy for me to spot when something is just machine mass produced in a in a factory under conditions that i don't know what they are but to to produce that volume of it i can pretty much promise you it isn't you know two families that handed down the skills of how to thread this needle through there for several seven generations or whatever it probably didn't happen um and i just i just don't understand the prices of it and uh it's one of those things that i that i go out of my way to to click on in my in my recommendation algorithms is I kind of pay attention to the luxury market just because I think it can be a bit of a bellwether for how things are going and um kind of depends on the one of the things that even luxury consumers well that's see that's the thing though is these luxury brands have not experienced the growth that they have from ultra high net worth individuals the growth that they've experienced is from aspirational purchases they call them so that's people who earn a more modest income but can afford one they aspire to own like like one piece that they like baby you know so it's instead of a an xbox they buy a exactly exactly uh or a pair of shoes or a purse or or exact or a pair of sunglasses you know whatever it is i didn't say purse just because some of the purses from those brands are like 40 grand you know 10 20 xboxes maybe more than that but but the the point is just that for them that's what it is that's their that's their baby right and and you know look whatever i'm personally not my value system but um if if you're into that then you're into it um and apparently the these aspirational buyers are just disappearing not showing up right now yeah and and and they're feeling super butthurt that since the like uh kind of the covid spike in the price of everything um there's this kind there was this one article that i was reading where they were looking at like price tracking for like the same item from these luxury brands like pre-covid to now and some of them like doubled or tripled in price so they really took advantage of that surge in demand uh from people people being pent up and spending more of their disposable income on consumption versus travel.

31:31Luke Lafreniere:You're eating out. And now these people are just kind of feeling kind of peeved that what used to maybe be somewhat within reach as an aspirational item is no longer within reach. And they're questioning why I ever bothered to do this in the first place. I think it's called a work in. so there's uh you can at walmart like through marketplace you can buy like birkin bag alikes that are a fraction of the price and apparently like pretty d's um it's called working i think i think it's called a working bag w-i-r-k working bag hold on uh yeah yeah it's called a working and this is like it's a it's a whole thing like i just i find the whole space super super fascinating um i took a work in for a test drive and the results were surprising can you can you imagine being able to write this much about a handbag like sometimes we struggle to write this many words about like an entire computer that has is manu has parts in it that are manufactured to such a scale that people even 10 years ago couldn't possibly have fathomed it like on an atomic scale and it's you can really say this much about a handbag but you know what we i just have some learning to do clearly diplomatic way to say that i i have learning to do i could do better anyway the point is that i went to a mall and i lived there for three days and i i visited with my brother who moved there a couple years ago uh cost of living is like markedly better shout out edmonton yeah if you don't mind living in edmonton um fun fact did not know this he's he's full of little fun facts about edmonton now that he lives there um it is apparently i'm just going based on what my brother said so make of this what you will but it is apparently the northern most like metropolis like city with over a hundred all right over a hundred with over a million full-time residents which i didn't know i didn't realize how north flipping edmonton is it's very north yep i just i just never really thought about it like i obviously look at a map of canada but part of the problem with looking at canada on a flat map what's the system called where we where we like flatten it out and it skews it oh yeah sorry what's it called dan of course dan would know yeah something like that the mercantor projection anyway the point is looking at canada on a map is really misleading unless you happen to like have a globe and so i just never really like thought about it

34:24Linus Sebastian:yeah edmonton's like really far north yeah the mall is cool because you can stay indoors and do all those things like that's one of the reasons why that mall was like worth building oh dude i

34:36Luke Lafreniere:got a weather got a weather advisory on my phone and i was like oh who cares i'm in the mall like

34:42Linus Sebastian:that's it's really uh it's it's basically a shelter it's it's fascinating the amount of ways that you can kind of like get there because it's connected to things yeah like you said there's the hotel that's connected to it they have to have numbered get there without going outside

34:55Luke Lafreniere:They have to have numbered entrances. We were at entrance 52, which gives you some idea how big the mall is, that it needs 52 numbered entrances. Yeah.

35:05Linus Sebastian:Yeah, it's really a bastion against the cold storm. That's really, yeah.

35:14Luke Lafreniere:That actually makes a ton of sense.

35:17Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Like there's, I think it was Artie in chat said that he thinks that at one point in time it was number one. you said it was number like 20 something 29 i think it was low double digits or high single digits for how big of a mall it was and you think about the population of edmonton versus where these bigger malls are and it like is still quite a standout um oh yeah mall size per capita it's it's gotta still gotta be up there dude it's gotta be up there there's a reason for it and the reason is because it's in the you know northern most metropolis like you said yeah really cool and dude it was hopping like already says it was the biggest until 2004 really so it's just been surprised it was hopping surge in giant malls since then i actually did not know that when we were there it even had a shooting range inside it really

36:11Luke Lafreniere:i mean that's that doesn't still there that doesn't surprise me one bit uh definitely a lot Definitely a lot of gun culture. Yeah. Yeah, my brother just moved into a new place. And furniture was a little on the deprioritized side. So we all kind of piled onto the couch. Yvonne and I were there and we had all the kids and we had lunch at his place. Is it very bachelor paddy? But he did show me his many guns. Yeah. Yeah, he went out and picked up... Guns have furniture. Sorry? Guns have furniture. What was that? Guns don't sit people, people sit people? It's something.

37:04Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, no, he picked up... I forget what it's called. As you know, I'm not much of a gun nerd. but he uh right when they were um when they were shutting down the uh handguns the handguns yeah so he basically just went and bought the first handgun he could find did absolutely no research on it whatsoever because he had like two days when he realized that the deadline was coming up so he was like i just like want a handgun uh and and like went and got this thing and uh he showed it to me i gotta say i'm not much of a gun nerd but it was like a like a check um uh law enforcement pistol super nice absolutely like a shadow zero is it a cz shadow i wouldn't know anyway it's apparently completely steel uh it's super heavy even without a without a loaded magazine in it it's like super heavy and dude the slide was some of the most beautiful precision machining i think I've ever seen.

38:06Luke Lafreniere:It's like gotta be a shadow. Anyway. Anyway. It's a fine piece. Like I said, not a gun nerd, but definitely a machining nerd. And it is a beautifully, beautifully machined little piece. So I congratulated him on his firearm, as I think you're supposed to do. And then we walked to the park and hung out. It was good.

38:34Linus Sebastian:Do you remember if the slide had holes on the side of it or just angled slashes?

38:42Luke Lafreniere:Dude.

38:47Linus Sebastian:I thought I'd ask. Yeah, it's like... I bet you it's the shadow. A bunch of people in shadow are saying 75. Look, it's one of those things. The shadows are really common.

38:54Luke Lafreniere:It's like asking me if that hot dude at the pool, you know, had a six pack or an eight pack. It's like, I'm not gay.

39:07Like, I don't...

39:09Luke Lafreniere:Like, it's totally fine for other people to be into it. I'm just Myron, bro. I'm just Myron. I just can't tell. I'm just Myron. I don't know what the characteristics I'm supposed to be looking for are to know if it was sexually appealing. That's all.

39:24Linus Sebastian:That's actually a really good analogy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty good.

39:32Luke Lafreniere:couldn't tell you anything about it other than the machining very fine because that i know that that i get um miori says you don't have to be gay to observe no but you would have to no but he recognized that it was an attractive person he just didn't log all of the individual

39:54Linus Sebastian:little details because the analogy is great i don't know what the important details are

39:59Luke Lafreniere:because I'm not, I'm genuinely not, I would actually have to have someone like explain it to me. It's not something that I like can tell, you know, like I can.

40:08Linus Sebastian:And to be clear, the question that I asked isn't even an important detail. I just, I looked on their website and it was a differentiating factor. So I thought I'd ask, but I think the analogy was fantastic, honestly. It completely makes sense.

40:24Luke Lafreniere:Okay. Should we do a second topic? I can't believe how, oh man, I was looking at how few topics we had today and I was like, man, it's going to be a really short show. We've been live for almost an hour, including pre-show.

40:37Linus Sebastian:And we've only done the first topic?

40:40Luke Lafreniere:We've done one topic, I think.

40:42Linus Sebastian:No, we technically did Linus Goes to Edmonton. So we did two topics.

40:45Luke Lafreniere:Okay. Yeah, cool. Water park, strongly recommend. The water slides were great. I think that was the second most fun I've ever had on a water slide on that on that cyclone one super awesome the like the almost free fall drop is intense and they're um they call it the typhoon but I'm sure it has other names they're one where you go down a slide and then you go into like a toilet bowl and until you like fall down into a deep pool at the bottom you've been in one like that before they have one at cultus yep dude in that one the one at cultus yeah well the one at

41:21Linus Sebastian:And the one at West Edmonton Mall.

41:23Luke Lafreniere:So the one at West Edmonton Mall, they went in there with some kind of compound in the seams for all the cracks. So like... That's nice. I was only able to do two loops around the one at Cultus. I went this summer. So I am the same me as when I just went to the mall just now. And I was only able to do two loops around because it was just too painful on my elbows and my heels and my shoulder blades to get that low friction. At the one at West Edmonton Mall, I could do three and a half, which was freaking awesome. I got so much speed because they went in with some kind of compound and they filled in all the little seams.

42:05Luke Lafreniere:I was able to grab the bar and really rip down there and it didn't hurt at all. Dude, it was freaking awesome. Freaking awesome.

42:12Linus Sebastian:That's sick. That's cool.

42:17Linus Sebastian:Should we talk about AI stuff?

42:18Luke Lafreniere:I mean, I guess. I mean I could just talk about the water park more if you want but sure yeah fine you can let's talk about what's going to take all of our jobs and ruin the world nope at least we have bunnies on trampolines is that in the no that was like last week two weeks ago

42:43Linus Sebastian:the sources for this is everything google deep mind open ai mashable anthropic 11 labs three different TechCrunch articles, multiple Twitter threads, etc. It's been a massive week for AI announcements. Google DeepMind announced Genie 3, a world model that can turn a text prompt into a fully interactive 3D environment you can explore in real time. Compared to Genie 2, it's more consistent, more realistic, and interactive for minutes at a time instead of realistically seconds. You can also even revisit locations and see them persist, which was a major problem in the past. think Sora but for navigable worlds not just video and then Linus do you want to bring up the example of a drone shot generated by VO3?

43:28Luke Lafreniere:Sure I'll do that we're just looking at Genie 2 versus Genie 3 right now so definitely improvements to world persistence I'd really like to see him turn around though yeah turn around

43:43Linus Sebastian:yeah he's really avoiding a lot of turning to previous locations. You can kind of tell. Go ahead.

43:50Luke Lafreniere:Turn around. I want to see.

43:55Linus Sebastian:Wow. You got to get really close to the mic when you say that.

43:59Luke Lafreniere:Sorry. Sorry. Anyway. Okay. So sorry. That was Genie 2, Genie 3. I mean, I guess you could kind of run it longer. Okay. So here's a drone thought. A drone shot generated by VO3 being taken over and controlled in real time. Or by VO3. Is there a drone thought somewhere? Okay.

44:21Luke Lafreniere:So here's the generated video. Okay. And we're going to take control mid-flight and then we'll be able to move it around. I guess that's in, oh yeah, no, here we go. Yep. So we're, so we're controlling it now. okay I guess so yeah I guess the big difference is in real time we're able to generate this landscape as we go flipping wild how for short clips anyway how kind of actually pretty convincing it is yeah at least at X resolution what else we got

45:02Linus Sebastian:a deep mind researcher posted a video of people playing around with genie 3 to which someone asked if that video was created using genie 3 to which the researcher then actually

45:11Luke Lafreniere:did it so here okay so here this is this is pretty funny oh am i not oh i signed it at some point so anyway this is the original video was them just like playing around with genie 3 on lunch and then they use genie 3 to here you go to take control of that video and then walk out the window and some stuff happens, basically.

45:39Linus Sebastian:And you can tell that's not... Yeah, yeah. You can 100 % tell. It's still really interesting. OpenAI announced their first open-weight model since GPT-2. GPT-OSS 120 billion and GPT-OSS 20 billion are free to download. OSS is an open-source software. They're Apache-licensed and can run on a single GPU or even a laptop despite being open. They're trained with many of the same techniques as OpenAI's proprietary reasoning models, and they're performing surprisingly close to the O-series in benchmarks. OpenAI launched GPT-5, its first unified model, combining O-series reasoning with GPT-series speed, plus a router that chooses between quick or thinking responses.

46:25Linus Sebastian:Benchmarks show small gains in coding science and reduced hallucination, but a buggy rollout made it seem dumber on day one. Sparking calls to bring back GPT-4. Oh, I didn't even know about that. I'm going to talk about my experience.

46:39Luke Lafreniere:I think they need bigger gains. I think they need bigger gains in coding based on my experience. By the way, I don't know if you saw this on the subreddit, but there was a Reddit post that went kind of viral where somebody ran into the exact same thing that I did with ChatGPT claiming that it would work on something in the background and then come back. and uh was that with five though no i don't think so i'm yeah this is just making me think of that but yeah chat gpt do be a liar sometimes uh yeah but i i have things to should i talk about that

47:11Linus Sebastian:now or should we go into the other ones you talk about whatever you want luke you talk about whatever you want a little space here you can talk whatever you want uh gpt5 last night and i ran it against a test that i've been doing for a while where you know which is where i take the

47:30Linus Sebastian:my goodness um i i take the wall street journal is that it yeah the wall street journal game called letterboxd and i give it the rules i did this with john with uh john from the lab john doyran i did it with uh chat tpt4 i think it was with him and i was trying to get it to actually work and it never did and i've tried this with a few other models not all of them uh but a few other models and usually it can't actually play the game the game is basically there's four sides to a square there's three letters on each side and you need to use up all of the letters making various words by you by doing as few words as you possibly can um and the problem is you can't go to the same side again you have to go from different side to different side and it would sometimes like make up letters that weren't there it would it would most often it would go back to the same side too many times it would like break the rules and it couldn't actually play the game um i got the standard gbt5 to be able to beat it it recognized it it attempted to do it and it cheated it went to the same side too many times so i called it out and it accepted that and then it tried again and failed and gave me an output saying i failed to do this this is why it was hard for me to do.

48:54Linus Sebastian:And then it was like, do you want me to keep trying? And I was like, yeah, keep trying. And it tried again and it failed again, explained why it was hard and explained what it would need to do. And it was like, basically, I'm going to have to write a program to do this because my model has an issue with like location persistence and all this other kind of stuff. So like I am too limited, but I can write code to solve this for you if you want. so I said sure and it output a Python script that just one shot it really so that was very interesting and then I was sitting with Theo and he was like oh try the reasoning model see what happens there so I switched from the standard model to the reasoning model and it took a long time but it just right off the hop one shot it and it actually it solved it in five words and the challenge was do it in five words or less it's often in five words but as i was inputting them to make sure that it worked i realized that it actually finished on the fourth word so it found a fifth extra word and then it was like i can probably do better if you want me to try i i called it out and was like you didn't need the fifth word and it was like yeah and uh and then in response it was like i think i can do fewer words if you want and i was like yeah go for it it sat for a while and then it did it in three.

50:20Linus Sebastian:So that was actually pretty crazy to me. That was pretty nuts. But isn't that the AGI thing, being able to improve itself? No, I completely disagree. No, not even a little. The big difference that Theo and I were talking about, he was proposing that the big difference is that it was a change in alignment, which might actually make it hallucinate less, which is interesting. Change in alignment.

50:48Luke Lafreniere:You're going to have to define.

50:51Linus Sebastian:So basically in the past, there was a lot of rules that tried to make it stop, tried to stop it from doing certain things, right? And you could work around those rules, but a lot of times it would just kind of like make stuff up to get around. You would ask it something. You would ask it to go from point A to point B. Yep. And it would go to many other points in between and try to solve a bunch of problems that you haven't actually really asked for yet. It was over-eager almost. And it would try to work around what you asked it to do and add a bunch of stuff. And it kind of went out of scope very often.

51:30Linus Sebastian:It would tangent really hard. It would go out of scope really often. I'm sure you experienced this doing your coding thing. And now it's a bit more strict. It seems to stick closer to what you asked for. and when it can't do it, the change here, the reason why that person is asking, is it an AGI thing? The change here is that it's quicker to propose alternatives instead of trying to work around automatically. Or pretending. So there's proposed alternative or pretending or whatever. So like before, I couldn't get it to do it because it would just keep breaking the rules. And when I would point out that it broke the rule, it would just be like, ah, you're right.

52:04Linus Sebastian:And then it would break the rule again.

52:06Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

52:07Linus Sebastian:And now instead of just like hammering its face into the wall, it will go, okay, yeah, I broke the rules here. You caught me on it. And then I broke the rules again, caught myself on it. We need another solution. I don't seem to be able to do this. Here's another way that I could approach it. Right. Writing a program to do it for you. And then it did it.

52:28Luke Lafreniere:By the way, here's the...

52:29Linus Sebastian:Interesting and probably more useful.

52:30Luke Lafreniere:Here's the sort of viral post. I found it. This is on r slash chat GPT. Caught chat GPT lying. had a very strange interaction over the course of 24 hours. In short, it strung me along the entire time, all while lying about its capabilities and what it was doing. It was to help me write code and generate some assets for a project. Told me it would take 24 hours to complete. 24 hours later, I asked for an update. It said it was done and would generate a download link. No download link worked. After 10 attempts of faulty download links, it admitted it never had the capabilities in the first place to create a download link.

53:01Luke Lafreniere:Furthermore, I asked what it had been working on this entire time. Turns out nothing. And lastly, after some back and forth, it admitted to lying. I asked why and it essentially said it was to keep me happy. This is a huge problem.

53:13Linus Sebastian:So, yeah, hopefully, as far as my understanding goes, it should do less of that.

53:16Luke Lafreniere:So hopefully they have fixed with fixed this.

53:20Linus Sebastian:Yeah, because there's been alignment changes. So it should help with less of that, which which comes across as a hallucination problem because it is. But it's a hallucination problem because they're like incentivizing it to make you happy. Yeah.

53:34Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Whereas I don't want to be happy. I want the truth. I want the real answer.

53:39Linus Sebastian:So hopefully it'll be better. It is still hallucinating things. I ran it through some stuff just to try to see if it would screw up. And it still absolutely does. The hallucination problem is not solved. But in my version of tea leaf reading, it does seem a little bit better at the hallucination stuff. And it seems like probably because of the alignment changes.

54:02Luke Lafreniere:Interesting. Yeah.

54:06Linus Sebastian:Yeah, it's an interesting time. This is, I'm surprised that the notes in the doc seem pretty tepid on it, likely because of the buggy rollout that they mentioned because most people that I've talked to about it are very impressed, not necessarily because like, oh my God, it's so capable, but because it messes around less and they're able to get the thing that they actually want out of it without it lying to them quite as much. Like I really, I've been talking about this on Wancho for a long time. I really think the biggest problem with all these systems is the hallucinations.

54:50Linus Sebastian:And even a marginal improvement there, which is like this, this absolutely did not solve the problem, but it feels like a marginal improvement. And even a marginal improvement there is a pretty big deal. Like there's, it's, it's pretty common in conversations for other people to, for people to bring up like oh yeah there's a model that's better it's like it tests better it is it is realistically a better model but it hallucinates like crazy and is like difficult to interact with so i don't like using it um and this seems like a good step in the it's more functional to interact with realm in my opinion hey hold on a second dan just uh just put a merch

55:30Luke Lafreniere:message just through the bottom here where apparently someone gave you a dual sense controller at ltx and asked if you've reached a conclusion about it how did you not have a controller all those times when we were playing tape to tape if someone gave you a dual sense

55:50Linus Sebastian:uh i don't think i have a dual sense controller uh

55:58Luke Lafreniere:is it is it possible I'm completely missing something here

56:05Linus Sebastian:I vaguely remember this but I don't think I have it do you not have it? it's probably at work it's probably at work

56:13Luke Lafreniere:okay well Cameron wants to know if you like it or hate it so you should probably take it home and let Cameron know

56:19Linus Sebastian:no I think the answer would have probably been that I did not like it all right then because i probably just like tried it and was like yep confirmed i really do not like when the thumbsticks are both down here and then probably just brought it to work that's funny

56:37Luke Lafreniere:because i actually in spite of that i quite like the dual sense i still use an xbox controller

56:43Linus Sebastian:but i do like the dual sense the the offset analog sticks whatever those are called is just i can't nothing else does it for me. I don't actually technically use an Xbox controller at home, but I use a controller that is very much modeled after an Xbox controller. And it just... It's great. I'm remembering more of this now. I did try it. I didn't try it for that long. I tried it with... I think it was Forza 5 Horizon. and then it was just like, ugh. And tried it for like, I think a couple days and then, yeah, I suspect it's at work now because I don't have it at home anymore. I didn't sell it.

57:30Luke Lafreniere:Dan, you gotta actually read people's messages. Yeah, I'm so sorry about that. Hey, Luke, have you come to a conclusion on the DualSense controller yet? I gave you one at LTX LAN. I just want to know if you like it or hate it. I missed that middle bit.

57:40Linus Sebastian:Wait for the PS6.

57:45Linus Sebastian:Wait, what?

57:46Luke Lafreniere:I misread the comment. I'm so sorry. Okay. He ran it through chat GPT and he forgot to use five. You're only worth four mini. I'll work on this in the background and I'll get back to you in 24 hours. I got better things to do. Sorry about that. I do.

58:04Linus Sebastian:I do remember this now and I'm fairly certain it was Forza Horizon 5 that I used it with. And I did try to give it a real shot. But honestly, the conclusion was gotten to rather quickly. I just I really don't. This position for my hands is not cool. I get it. I don't like it.

58:21Luke Lafreniere:How hard do you think it would be? Like if, okay, on a week like this week, I think Dan can probably reply to everyone directly. But on weeks when we have like a major launch, how hard would it be to train up a model on like every past WAN show transcript? I actually tried to do that. Did you? Yeah. How'd that go? Not great because you have to design call and response for every single merch message. but you also need a way to indicate if it's shown curated or archived and it's very difficult to do that organically um also i would imagine that would be the human intervention at that point yes and no i mean we want it to respond another button i don't think we should do this but i think

59:07Linus Sebastian:the the thing to do could be having a button that is ai response the problem is that most decide no

59:14Luke Lafreniere:most of the responses uh i mean yeah sure maybe no it would have to be no it would have to be the ai response goes to a human and then a human decides if the ai got it right yeah like it could show up probably more work than it could show up in the bottom of my text box evaluating and yeah what's the point it's probably for someone who types as quickly as any one of the three of us it's probably less work to just type the response at that point i feel like i feel like yeah ai is in it has this like this sweet spot where your your brain moves faster than your fingers and then if your fingers move as fast as your brain then it just kind of um it doesn't really do as much for me hey speaking of mice and keyboards being obsolete uh should we move on to discussing how mice and keyboards are going away or did you want to finish up the the ai news for

1:00:08Linus Sebastian:the week i guess there's still more there but yeah i think i think to me personally five is much more interesting than four ever was and i know people are talking would you say it's 25 percent more interesting than four ever was uh yeah maybe but i don't think that four was 33

1:00:30Luke Lafreniere:percent more interesting than three so okay so the math falls apart a little bit but hey that's

1:00:36Linus Sebastian:what we expect from an ai yeah yeah perfect um because four seemed like an improved but kind of samey thing in my opinion um five is is yeah a little bit more shippable i think uh anthropic

1:00:55Luke Lafreniere:announced cloud opus 4.1 focused on coding research and agentic reasoning benchmarks show noticeable improvements in multi-file refactoring and pinpoint debugging without adding new bugs and 11 labs launched 11 music an ai used to generate studio grade music in any style with or without vocals in multiple languages nearly all commercial uses are cleared oh good you can listen to some examples here would you like to listen to an example luke yeah i'll bring it up

1:01:24Linus Sebastian:myself too okay so i'm gonna really question the studio quality uh listening to the examples

1:01:31Luke Lafreniere:doesn't make me question it any less. Dan, am I cleared for audio off? I can't hear myself. Cool. Well, I've listened to it already, so...

1:02:03Linus Sebastian:Thank you.

1:02:17Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, so technically you could make that in a studio, but you wouldn't.

1:02:27Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I think that's the problem. Yeah. Yeah, that's a neat.

1:02:35Luke Lafreniere:Now hear me out. Hear me out. How about Yellow Bus Jam? Okay, we're going for some Beatles or what? No, groovier.

1:03:06Linus Sebastian:Something's still wrong. You can feel it.

1:03:16Luke Lafreniere:ixfn 724 and floatplane chess okay this sucks yeah you guys haven't heard suck yet

1:03:24Linus Sebastian:the voice is impressive because a lot of ai voices have that problem where they have the like they're they're hyper monotone about anything because the second they show any inflection or emotion it could be unaligned and that's a bigger giveaway than them just being hyper monotone uh so it's it's interesting that they actually have some like emotion in the singing that is

1:03:44Luke Lafreniere:seemingly pretty good twill 923 says a soul song with no soul yeah yeah exactly pretty much really was notably lacking uh hold on who was it uh i'm sitting here with a guitar and can't find the beat still hold on who was this uh can't can't find it i mean okay so this is fair though this is fair travau says there are plenty of real songs that are way worse though oh it was gilmore d who said the uh the beats very weird can't find can't find the feel um yeah yeah it's the kind of thing that i wouldn't notice if i wasn't actively listening if that makes sense like if i was in a restaurant and this was on in the background yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't notice it i would i wouldn't be like how dare they like it wouldn't be like that wedding i went to where they played flowers from miley cyrus and i was like wow wildly inappropriate um for like the second song of the dance like that like it was a human dj literally i wish they were replaced by an ai at that point because you can't do that that's just so inappropriate so it wasn't like that um yeah bug boy says that's an insane choice for a wedding right anyway um so it's it wouldn't drag me out of the event but it also, I wouldn't be like I need to get my sound hound out Shazam that like, I just wouldn't notice it yeah

1:05:33um

1:05:33Luke Lafreniere:unique username asked why what's wrong with that song and Moon MMO says because it's about loving yourself because partners suck. Absolutely unhinged choice for a wedding. Yaxter says mother-in-law requested it. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's pretty good.

1:06:01Linus Sebastian:Does this not require a public broadcast license to play in a store or like? Probably not. The thing is that I'm sitting with is there is already tons of royalty-free music. Yeah, like real music by real people. I'm pretty sure Crab Rave is like literally one of those.

1:06:20Luke Lafreniere:Ah, no, I think there's usage requirements. Like you have to credit them and stuff. I believe we have some agreements, right? Yeah, we also do have an agreement with Monster Cat where we just like can use all of their stuff as long as we just credit it. They're our Vancouver Bros.

1:06:37Luke Lafreniere:So I don't, don't, don't. I'm actually not sure though. Now he's looking.

1:06:41Linus Sebastian:Oh no, it is copyrighted. Yeah, it's not royalty-free.

1:06:43Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, so be careful that we can use it.

1:06:47Linus Sebastian:Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting, because I noticed a ton of people do. So I knew it was originally copyrighted and we just had an approval, but then I've noticed that it's universally used now. But I guess either just people have agreements or it's fly-by-night. I could see either one, to be honest.

1:07:16Luke Lafreniere:um okay the last bit here is elon musk says that twitter will put ads in grok's chatbot answers meaning that advertisers could pay to have their product be the ideal solution that grok suggests

1:07:33Luke Lafreniere:talk about saying the quiet part out loud uh musk says we all knew it was going that direction Musk says this will help pay for those expensive GPUs. That's a quote. While using ex-AI tech to improve ad targeting. It's like, dude, are you not going to buy me dinner first? Like, just boom, straight to more procreation, not enough children. bend right over because this is how i intend to use my giant gpu farm powered by natural gas turbines that i didn't get a permit for wait really i'm just gonna i'm just gonna straight up i'm gonna straight up yep i'm gonna have people pay to to be the best answer i mean it works great for google with their top sponsored search results right let's let's just do that but ai are you serious right now you don't even have the top ai chat bot and you're already trying to be the first one to completely and i mean we obviously knew like amazon was up front about the only reason alexa existing being so that she could get to know you and understand what you want to buy so you could buy it off amazon using alexa like that was the only reason alexa ever existed in the first place.

1:08:51Luke Lafreniere:Like Amazon was pretty straightforward about that and it didn't take off because people immediately would use whatever didn't shove product down their throat because they're not actually really very interested in that. The only reason anybody cares about ChatGPT is because they think it's giving them like the right answers, even though it's trained on a poisoned web that is just full of completely corrupted clickbait articles and all that. So it's definitely got its own problems. But it isn't just brazenly recommending whoever paid me the most. I mean, if you wanted to do that, you could just watch tech YouTubers.

1:09:32Linus Sebastian:New ideas on how to poison AI as well. That's how you can tell he's not listening to me. There's ones to, there's ones where you can trap. Cell phone. You can trap it. How is it his cell phone?

1:09:44Luke Lafreniere:What? Me. Oh. I cell phoned myself.

1:09:48Linus Sebastian:Got it. All right. Fair enough.

1:09:50Luke Lafreniere:I imply that I am bought and paid for. I like playing into the conspiracy theories as if they can afford me. NVIDIA can. I mean, they can, but they won't. Cheap f***s.

1:10:16Linus Sebastian:I do think it's interesting, because you have a video coming on vibe coding. Yeah. And I defended the, okay, you didn't use a coding-specific tool because I do think the vast majority of people, including people that I know and I know this has happened, just dive right into using ChatTPD. They don't even know what the other ones are. so I think it is very realistic for a new to these type of systems people, person sorry, to use just chat GPT instead of something else, it's the most well known thing but do you think releasing that video after 5 is out and not having used 5 is good

1:11:06Luke Lafreniere:yeah I think it's fine, because we can acknowledge that I haven't shot any of the A-roll of it, I've only shot the coding challenge, and we still haven't had the real developer to my knowledge try to try to beat me so like we still have like it's going to be i think it's going to be very clear to people from the way we set up the video um and present it that this is a challenge that took place a while ago and it was with the tools that exist and literally in my screen cap you i drop down you can see what models are available to me in the open ai interface and stuff so it's not like people are gonna be like why didn't you click on that one like i clicked on the one that was supposedly better for programming so like whatever i don't know like i did what i think a normal user would do um yeah and we have all that we have all that documented that for sure yep it's all documented so i'm really not that worried about it and and the point is not necessarily like the moment in time the point is asking like a bigger question and i think that regardless of what model we use we are going to run into bigger answers like okay now what about the maintenance of that code like that's a huge question because i have a working you know javascript but i still don't know javascript i haven't actually solved the problem which is that i don't know how to code

1:12:27Linus Sebastian:or script or anything like modern modern tools will tell you where the error is and generally some information about the error, and then you can feed that error and that information. You might have done this in your challenge. Back to the LLM. The LLM can try to fix things for you and whatnot, but it does definitely become a problem. Yeah. Yeah.

1:12:49Luke Lafreniere:We are supposed to explain merch messages. We should do that. So if you want to chat with the show, a great way to do it is to send a merch message. Merch messages are easy all you got to do is head over to lttstore.com add one of our delightful products to your cart like oh when life gives you e-waste make a cpu fidget spinner shop now that's right my friends you can buy the fidget spinner that i have been playing with throughout the show showing you guys just how long it spins for right now on lttstore.com these spinners are made out of genuine in am2 am3 and potentially even am4 cpus uh okay anyway they're made out of amd cpus that were tossed millions of cpus get tossed every year and we thought hey why not rescue a few of them and turn them into a fun uh a fun satisfying desk toy we we put some really really nice spinny bearings and as you can see, they really do go for an awfully long time.

1:14:00Luke Lafreniere:It is worth noting that the balance will not be perfect. I just want to make that really clear because while we do put our hole down the center of the CPU, depending on the size of the die and the position of the die or any IO chips or whatever is under that IHS, even the pins on the back, not being completely symmetrical, can throw the balance off a little bit. if we made a perfectly balanced symmetrical cpu spinner you'd know because it would be perfectly balanced and symmetrical but this is made out of v-way cpus so there will be a little bit of a wobble to it but you can take any satisfaction you lose from the wobble you can gain from knowing that you kept this cpu out of the landfill and turned it into a fun satisfying little toy by

1:14:45Linus Sebastian:the way to be honest with the with the thickness of your finger uh so sebastian says that we tested them the balance on them was terrible i will also say however that sebastian oh he was talking about intel he was talking about intel they were much worse oh i see yeah okay um yep because they're sebastian tina gave me one to play with at open sauce and while the balance isn't perfect the thickness of your finger is a decently large surface and i was able to very consistently get it spinning on one finger like without pinch yeah there he goes yeah yeah it's not that bad

1:15:18Luke Lafreniere:No, the Intel ones were really bad because of the position of the die and the notches in the substrate and just a variety of reasons. The balance isn't like that bad.

1:15:27Linus Sebastian:No. You can tell it's not the easiest thing to get spinning on one finger compared to something that is perfectly balanced. But like it's fine. It's spinning, which helps it. Your finger is also not a pinpoint. And that's what makes it real, man.

1:15:41Luke Lafreniere:That's what makes it real. It's a real CPU. you um we also made it super easy to disassemble if you want if your bearing gets mucked up or if you just want to put in your own bearing all you got to do is uh here hold on i guess we go linus cam was i supposed to show this dan i have no idea i think so i think already wanted me to show it so you just unscrew the the thumb mabuber here okay okay there's a little something like that oh god oh yeah we wanted to do a thing but couldn't this week yeah okay so you take take that off and then uh there's two screws on top and then there's oh okay do you have your precision yeah i have a precision kit cool i have i has uh anyway the point is merch messages so if you want to send a merch message you just gotta um throw something in your cart on ltdstore.com and when we're live you'll see a box it'll let you leave a merch message and it'll go to producer dan oh lordy there you go uh who will put it on the bottom uh maybe with a relevant response maybe with an irrelevant response we have no way of knowing he's a mad lad um or he'll forward it to someone who can answer your question or he will curate it for me luke and dan to respond to and uh he'll show you what that curation looks like okay hold on first though let's finish this okay so there you can see the precision manufactured aluminum frame Mabuber that we have.

1:17:12Luke Lafreniere:And then there, there's our bearing. Look at me, I'm bearing eye. Wow. I did say earlier I'm not gay, so now I'm the bearing straight. Oh. Anyway, you can also see how we made the CPU work as a fidget spinner. It no longer works as a CPU once we're done with it. So that's something that happens.

1:17:49Luke Lafreniere:Anywho, Dan, where did we leave off again? I was going to read you a merch message. You were going to read me a merch message. Right, right, right, right, right, to show how the curation works. that's right uh uh yes let's do that while i reassemble um this fidget spinner okay

1:18:04Linus Sebastian:that dancing that's right there really really really sounded like uh a like parrot helping

1:18:10Luke Lafreniere:a small child through something i'm not a child don't lose this cruise line it's not going to and you're not even my real dad he's just cranky hasn't his juice he's so cute he's so good last He does usually need a little snacky before the show. Do you want some tackies? Last thing you need is me on a juice sugar high. That'd be fun. You spin me right round dot DLL. Linus, why did you go with orange for LTT? And would you ever switch it to blue? Excited to see y 'all at Whale Land. The very, very legitimate, real, actual reason is that my screwdriver that was gifted to me when I was in high school, my snap-on ratcheting screwdriver that sort of opened my eyes to the delights of quality tools was orange and that that using that orange screwdriver that became kind of iconic in the early days of ncix tech tips was something that kind of tickled the cameraman uh well he put it in the logo because he thought it was funny that i had like a hundred canadian dollar screwdriver which to him was ridiculous.

1:19:24Luke Lafreniere:And I mean, I guess still is, but hey, half a million of you can't be that wrong with me, right? And so he integrated that orange into the branding of NCIX Tech Tips with the picture of the screwdriver since it's such an important tool for working on PCs. And the rest is kind of history. Fun fact, by the way, it's not actually orange um the ltt color looks orange against most of the backdrops where it appears uh but it's like actually kind of red or rather no wait no it is orange but then we had to make it red to look orange in the banner on the forum is that right luke i'm trying to remember is orange and the wanshow the wanshow is definitely not orange that one's red wanshow's red yeah Yeah.

1:20:18Linus Sebastian:The original LTT orange, like the screwdriver that you had, is actually orange. Oh, no, that's orange. Yeah. The problem is when you place that color of orange against other things, it starts to shift really oddly. So a lot of the places where you see LTT orange, it's not actually LTT orange. It's an orange that is hewed so that it looks correct instead of being actually correct, which is weird. I don't know if that's still a thing on the forum but like very early forum days that was a problem we ran into because everyone was saying that it was incorrect when it actually was correct it just with the other colors that were there it looked really wrong so that we made it incorrect and everyone was like oh good you fixed it and it's like well

1:21:03Luke Lafreniere:colors are a hell of a drug by the way Dan you're not allowed to tell the viewers to calm their tits I said thine what is happening today? settle them jimmies dan's fighting with bryce in the float plane chat bryce is a good person uh bryce was asking when the float plane exclusive with extras for scrapyard wars 10 uh part one is coming out it will come out during this show i will be launching episode one as well as the extras or sorry part one as well as the extras for part one it's going to be great

1:21:41Linus Sebastian:It's coming soon.

1:21:42Luke Lafreniere:It's coming very soon. What else am I supposed to be doing right now, Dan? Doing that announcement. Oh, yes, right. Which one? That one or the other one? No. I'm supposed to be doing the CW announcements. Yeah, which you just did. Okay, well, I did one of them. I haven't done the other one. So get a grip, Luke. On this screwdriver.

1:22:11Linus Sebastian:I'm excited about this I need this

1:22:14Luke Lafreniere:Do you see this? Do you see this?

1:22:15Linus Sebastian:I in particular need this

1:22:17Luke Lafreniere:We've got grip Specifically Screwdriver grip tape It's designed to give your favorite tool A significant amount of extra grip When you're working under the hood of your car Or working on your screwdriver with gloves And We might have called up our friends at dbrand for a little help from some old friends. Sorry. Yeah, we didn't want to talk to them about... Well, we didn't want to talk to them at all, really. But unfortunately, they are annoyingly good at this sort of thing, and it's available now at lmg.gg slash grip tape. So here, we'll bring that up. Screwdriver grip tape. That's right,$10, and you get this.

1:23:02Luke Lafreniere:You get an extra one as well as the three that you actually need. And we're using it completely wrong in the picture. But don't worry about that because the point is so that you can see it. Oh, yeah. These are for stubbies, by the way. Just so you know. Oh. We have. So we have grip tape dutes for full-size drivers as well for stubbies. It works shockingly well. Sweaty palms and slippery hands. No more. this precision cut grip tape is designed to add just the right amount of grip to your favorite screwdriver brought you in partnership with dbrand uh no more slipping whether you're wearing gloves or you know whatever the grip tape helps you maintain control over your driver each pack includes a set of grip tape for both sizes of screwdriver one for the standard ltd screwdriver and one for the stubby screwdriver it's a great little add-on if you're looking for a you know a gift for the ltd screwdriver enjoyer in your life then uh especially if they use if they use gloves or if they're like a super sweaty type person.

1:24:01Luke Lafreniere:It is very grippy. So if you are never going to be sweaty and you don't really need to torque anything down, I would say it's not necessary. But if you've ever found yourself slipping, this will do it. When is the bit storage case coming out? Soon, I think?

1:24:20Linus Sebastian:People saw a... Not sure. People saw something. I'll say that.

1:24:26Luke Lafreniere:They saw something?

1:24:28Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

1:24:29Luke Lafreniere:What?

1:24:30Linus Sebastian:There was a part of a video where something was on a desk.

1:24:37Luke Lafreniere:Oh, by the way, let's take a moment to enjoy the team's great photography. Here's Sherrod with his new pride and joy here with his screwdriver. I love how every shot we have of the screwdriver has us not touching the grip tape. I get it. I understand why we did it this way. When he's working on the bike, is he touching it? Let's see. Here's Plouf. here's ploof with here's ploof with his purple car once again not touching the grip tape dang it people i understand i understand why we did it that way just triggers me you should definitely be touching the grip uh willing spy asks how strong is the adhesive the answer is yes um i'll be i'll be real with you guys there's also an extra one in there i'll be real with you guys uh this is i think the first product that i've ever been the one to source um because i was looking for something that would actually not come off the edges of the steps on my backyard um like pavers so i needed i needed grippy grippy um strips at the ends and i bought like crappy ones on amazon i bought like a bunch of stuff and it all sucked and finally i found something that like would not fucking come off um and then we turned it into this product so we sourced the same stuff that i used on my stairs and now it's for our screwdriver yeah so this is the first time i have ever like directly been in charge of the sourcing and then we worked with vbrand to get them cut up into stickers because we don't like have a process for that we're not a sticker manufacturer what the do we know about any of that so that's uh you sell stickers okay that's true but different and i don't really we don't really sell them they they're more like free with your order and the bonus bin people do buy them though there's a new pack people do buy them oh is the new bonus bin pack up i think people have been mentioning it they're very excited hold on hold on i might be lying where do i find them i might be lying maybe i was lied to you would is set three the latest yeah i think this is it holy shit oh sticker packs are back boys and this is an absolutely fire pack oh

1:27:07Linus Sebastian:There are some golden ones in here got the tax right off gone fishing

1:27:13Luke Lafreniere:Tech yacht. Oh, I love the tech yacht the flow plane game boy is sick. Yeah, buddy Yeah, buddy I'm trying to remember if that one has any like foil on it. I don't think so actually Wait does it does it have some shine? Oh, I can't remember. I can't remember i can't remember and i can't tell but yeah this is an absolutely bomb sticker pack freaking love it wait is the transparent screwdriver in it yes it is yep yeah there it is sick yeah absolutely great job um oh hey speaking of tech yacht i have a major update on tech plane the price of this compelling aircraft has been reduced usd 3.5 million i gotta say you guys this is looking like a pretty strong candidate here um user mr underscore jesse over on the subreddit picked up on this dude check this out three and a half million this is an airbus a320 I think it is what are we looking at here look at this main bedroom got what appears to be like some private meeting rooms here um got like a got a lounge area here where you can have what appears to be like 15 20 some odd people um got some I don't know fine looking fine looking cockpit up in the front where you have all the knobs and dials earlier where like you're not going to remember if it's going to have an eight pack or not uh no no i think i can recognize a sexy plane i think i think i can i think i can appreciate the fine curves of a plane shaped

1:29:06Linus Sebastian:airplane um so are you into the the three jets or the two jets which which uh plane type

1:29:16Luke Lafreniere:one behind one on each side two on each side yeah yeah two three or four this is a good question i gotta say i gotta say the runway presence the runway presence of a of a falcon the tri-jet i don't mind it i don't mind it three i don't i don't mind it a three-way like two three-way jet

1:29:37Linus Sebastian:and then one one behind yeah yeah yeah two two on the sides and like one kind of in the middle i

1:29:43Luke Lafreniere:I also don't mind being the one in the middle, if you know what I'm saying.

1:29:46Linus Sebastian:Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, riding middle.

1:29:50Luke Lafreniere:Who needs an aisle in the middle with the rows of the seats when you can have the middle? You know what I'm saying? Know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Booger Fingers says Linus announcing he's gay again.

1:30:11Luke Lafreniere:anywho um so uh for those of you on the on the subreddit wondering if this is real i i was genuinely pretty curious about this i was like okay what could possibly be wrong with this thing to make it three and a half million dollars i think what happened is they missed is zero. I found a listing for another plane that had 4 ,405.5 hours since new and 2930 landings. So here, let's just key that in. 4 ,405.5 hours since new jet for sale because that that seems you know r slash oddly specific and it appears to be this one it's a it's a hawker 4000 which is not that airbus um looks like oh man where oh where is it this is stupid what ai why are you so stupid like why do i have to why do i have to do this why do I have to put in the site see here's the one there three and a half mil and uh 4405 hours since new 2930 landings so there so it looks like this Facebook post just had completely the wrong plane I gotta say though once again Luke like are you seeing this I am surprised because whenever I looked up like how much does a private jet cost here check this out

1:31:48Linus Sebastian:your screen is pretty small for me whenever I looked up like

1:31:50Luke Lafreniere:how much does a private jet cost you know I'd get answers like 25 million 50 million dollars or you know whatever

1:31:59Linus Sebastian:yeah but I mean that's probably new right like this isn't a new

1:32:02Luke Lafreniere:plane no this is a this is a 2008

1:32:05Linus Sebastian:but still but I bet you this was up there when it was new.

1:32:09Luke Lafreniere:Oh, I'm sure it was, but it's just...

1:32:12Linus Sebastian:Is it really... Am I incredibly lame because I was actually more interested in what laptop that was?

1:32:18Luke Lafreniere:The laptop. Oh. Dude, this picture was taken when PCMCIA was a thing, buddy.

1:32:27Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Look at that. Not even that one. So that one is interesting. You don't like that one? I was talking about the other laptop. You don't like that? Hold on. What are these magazines?

1:32:34Luke Lafreniere:Is that Ohio Magazine? No. I don't know what this is. flying do you have have you seen the latest flying flying how staged is that out of 10 okay sorry what laptop we talking about i go to a previous photo this guy this is the same one

1:32:51Linus Sebastian:but sorry i have a big delay oh it's the same laptop dude intel centrino baby get that centrino

1:33:01Luke Lafreniere:Let's go How long has it been Since whatever Because I guarantee you this picture was actually taken Relatively recently Because the interior of this plane has been redone Since 2008 So this is a new photo I just guarantee you That whoever does the staging For these photos Just didn't bother to replace this laptop For 20 years Also this is clearly photoshopped three like how audio jacks in the front how rough is that yeah dude i'm i'm liking the audio jacks you could you could rebind those in software get that good 5.1 yeah yep windows xp baby sick laptop anyway i can i continue i continue to be surprised at like because i i guess the cost is actually in the other stuff physical left and right buttons sorry i'm still

1:34:01Linus Sebastian:on the laptop you're still on the laptop i miss physical left and like the oh man like my laptop right now is is one big touchpad you just have to like find it it doesn't feel right

1:34:14Luke Lafreniere:bent bob says 2008 plane is it cheap because commonly needed parts are now rare and everyone who has them has a i know what i got mentality um and i gotta tell you so luke you remember me kind of dropping the bombshell that that that original like gamer plane um was under a million dollars right for like an actual whole ass jet like a jet plane that could like fly across north america which blew my freaking mind and uh sorry what was it bob or something like that yeah bent bob nailed it absolutely nailed it a huge part of why an older craft like that would be so cheap is because the cost of maintaining it is so much higher than the cost of of acquiring it that it's kind of like over-leveraging a house that goes down in value so you're effectively underwater.

1:35:21Luke Lafreniere:Like there reaches a point where they're worth more as the spare parts for the other people who are desperately trying to keep their older planes in the air than they're worth to try to bring them back up to speed and keep them flying. So it's a whole thing. And I gotta tell you, as someone who only recently learned about any of this i was blown away by how few of these planes they actually make so that one was an astra oh what was it called astra 100 or something like that oh i can't i can't remember anymore anyway gulfstream bought them sorry sorry yeah no it was an astra spx iai astra spx so that was before gulfstream acquired them.

1:36:12Luke Lafreniere:How many produced? Let's see. Let's see if the AI gets this right. A total of 77 IAI Astra SPXs and Gulfstream G100 aircraft were produced. So, and that appears to actually be right, according to Wikipedia. So, that includes both the original Astra and the G100, which had a wider and longer cabin or revised nose and something, something, something, something, something so that was they produced those back in i think the late 80s or something like that don't quote me on that when were these actually produced yeah yeah manufactured from 1985 to 2017 okay no no no so that number is only for the original one if i recall correctly no look at this total 265 over 30 years like they don't they don't make that many of these things so getting the spare parts for them if the manufacturer is not able or willing to make you one you literally in a paper rolodex could have the name and number of every single person on earth who owns another one and who could possibly have that water pump or who knows right like i don't know i don't know what parts uh planes have so yeah so uh car and evil set our carn evil says that for that hawker 4000 that we were looking at a second ago uh here control shift t let's see if i can bring this back up yeah so for this guy apparently there were uh 73 made 73 so like you me and dan could on our fingers and toes almost count the number of these planes that there are in the world which i don't know just kind of blew my mind still functional we totally could i i just thought you're probably right Yeah, you're probably right.

1:38:19Luke Lafreniere:And you talk to aviation people, and they will literally know how many of them are still in service. Right. And they can get retired for any number of reasons. They could crash, they could just not be worth it.

1:38:30Linus Sebastian:You hear about this with cars sometimes, too. But I've also heard that it's sometimes the case where people will literally buy two, and one of them is literally only purchased as a donor plane.

1:38:41Luke Lafreniere:Yep.

1:38:43Linus Sebastian:Which is wild.

1:38:44Luke Lafreniere:And sometimes that's not because it's impossible to get a replacement part, but because it's much faster to have one on hand. And then you can like then take your sweet time going and finding another one for your for your store. so um as as part of the discussions around that original astra um i learned of someone who has a fleet of like three or four of them and a donor plane so that they just like right have spares so they can so they can keep the others going because they're running like a like a charter business of some sort and i was like that sounds super cool um i don't think i'm going to be entering the the aircraft charter business anytime soon but that's like that's super cool um it's really interesting learning about i never really had an interest in planes but the more i learn the more interesting it is and i just i i had no idea how small the entire industry was like tiny and so i guess it makes sense that these things are 25 30 million dollars brand new when you look at a product line that they might have over a span of 30 years and go, okay, yeah, they're going to build 250 of them.

1:40:01Luke Lafreniere:Total. Over all of those years. But then I guess a huge part of the money is also in the maintenance and whatnot. CJ Hall says, that's a freaking setup. Four planes and a donor. Yeah, buddy. Yeah, buddy. All right. What are we supposed to be doing, Dan? oh let's play a fun game i know okay i am going to start spinning this cpu and i'm going to do all of my sponsor spots before it stops we ready the wan show is brought to you by oh do do you sometimes wish you had more hands at your disposal that's really uncomfortable looking Okay, maybe not that many. Oh my God, what were we thinking?

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1:43:34Linus Sebastian:Wait, did you start the sponsor segments with a spin? Yeah. It's still going? Yeah, barely. That's actually kind of sick.

1:43:42Luke Lafreniere:But it is still going.

1:43:46Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, buddy. Wait for it. Wait for it. It's still going. No, no, it's still going. It's still going. It's still going. It's still going. It's still going. It's still going. Oh! Ah! There it is.

1:43:59Linus Sebastian:I mean, it's still spinning.

1:44:00Luke Lafreniere:I mean, yeah, well, I don't call that spinning. I don't know if it counts. That's wibble wobbly. yes it counts if you couldn't see me Seth Jones okay um DK Rocksmith says my merch message glitched out where do you guys get your Linux ISOs I'm in the process of digitizing my library and have some that are less than ideal that I'm wanting to take the path and getting them to digital so I'm not going to answer that question but what I will answer is that I came across this super cool article that I actually meant to add to the WAN show. There's a firmware hack that you can do for certain Blu-ray drives.

1:44:44Luke Lafreniere:Shout out the dedicated people who created this. Someone's going to link it in the chat because I forget what it's called. But basically, there's like a firmware update that you can do to certain Blu-ray drives that just allows them to just read Blu-rays and not worry about encryption or if they're a UHD Blu-ray or blah, blah, blah. It just reads the bits off the thing and you can make mkv them and it's super super awesome uh somebody remind me of what it's called but it's super cool um nobody is telling me oh well uh someone will as always um you know i remind people to be is it libra drive that might be it i think that might be it

1:45:26Linus Sebastian:i don't know no honestly i was reading something else uh yeah a libra drive is a mode of operation

1:45:33Luke Lafreniere:of an optical disk drive, where the data and all the disks can be accessed directly without any restrictions. So best Libra drive compatible Blu-ray drive. Okay, yeah. So go down the Libra drive rabbit hole and you will figure it out. Once you have a Libra drive drive, theoretically, you can just huck any Blu-ray in it and it should be good to go.

1:45:57Luke Lafreniere:Archlinux.org. Thank you, Dan. Thank you for that. All right. what are we supposed to be doing right now more topics more topics oh man how did we how did we do so few topics already this is terrible the show has been on for why does anybody even you're not done the announcements why does anybody even watch the show we don't even we don't even pay attention to what we're supposed we've been live for two hours and we've done like three topics sammy

1:46:22Linus Sebastian:asked us sammy specifically asked us to not do the full-blading announcement after the sponsor

1:46:28Luke Lafreniere:spots and then we're gonna do it again well we didn't show the uh the short video why did you guys do that look what you've done to sammy he's probably crying right now i have like 30 unread messages from him do you really i'm just gonna read them later i think you don't no i don't no okay no shoot do i have any unread messages from him that wouldn't even surprise me that much uh if not i feel like he probably gave up on us i would have that's possible which is so sad this is hilarious i had no idea that sebastian was from edmonton he says couldn't contribute to your edmonton conversation because i was in the car but hearing y 'all talk about it was hilarious also you've probably spent more time in west edmonton mall than me even though i was born and raised in edmonton that's funny my brother hadn't been there yet either it's the classic it's the classic the locals never do their own local things thing like i honestly think some of the recent conversation around travel and reducing travel has been really good because it prompts people to like do the things that like ivan and i used to think like oh yeah it's summer we should go away and then we're like what the f*** are we doing why would we go anywhere in summer people travel to vancouver in the summer we should go places in the winter like what why are we thinking all these years just do things here but you don't think of that traveling to

1:47:53Linus Sebastian:more summery locations than vancouver in the summer kind of sucks like it's death here yeah you walk outside it it actually feels like you're in an oven it's horrible i hate it exactly i hate that defcon is in vegas i hate that defcon is in vegas in the summer like let's go to let's yeah

1:48:11Luke Lafreniere:we'll go to vegas in january during ces like way more pleasant time to go still hot yeah yeah yeah exactly pan bluch says it's the worst to ask someone local what there is to visit i know right like i have to go look it up when people ask me oh what is there to do in vancouver i'm like i'll go play badminton at smash champs sit in my computer room at home because that's what i do here i don't know what else there is okay there's the grouse grind there's the grouse grind um which is not as sexy as it sounds you can't just say you can't just say the gross grind there's there's incredible hiking but i love the gross grind yeah but like it's gross grind is like

1:48:56Linus Sebastian:but it's iconic almost like a cardio exercise i mean yeah it's good for you there's there's hiking that's like you can walk it more yeah you can walk it i don't like steps i don't like steps

1:49:09Luke Lafreniere:hiking personally i mean you do have like a mountain raw you do have the option to get good like i i'm just saying i'm just saying that's not doing steps i'm just saying if you if you

1:49:22Linus Sebastian:fear you know what i'm not saying amount of steps that you take you could conquer your fear you could

1:49:26Luke Lafreniere:conquer your fear it's an option of what of steps apparently i'm saying i prefer the more difficult

1:49:34Linus Sebastian:type of hiking. I'm just saying,

1:49:37Luke Lafreniere:Luke, take it one step at a time.

1:49:45Linus Sebastian:I'll be there with you. It'll be okay.

1:49:47Luke Lafreniere:I'll be there. I'll be there waiting at the top. You can go up a step.

1:49:54Linus Sebastian:Okay, well, do we do the full play announcement now, or do we do a couple topics?

1:49:57Luke Lafreniere:I don't know. We should do it now. We should do it now. Okay. Guess what, folks? It's Scrapyard Wars Day It's going live Hold on I'm just going to do a thing here real quick Here it is Scrapyard Wars 10 This is hilarious You and I And this is ridiculous Um Anyway Cool Public Release date Immediate release That's right, my friends. I'm here to bring you immediate release. It's back. It's bigger than ever. Linus and Luke face off to build the ultimate budget home theater gaming setup using just$1 ,400 US dollars. They'll search local listings, thrift stores, back alleys, and online marketplaces to find the best cheap gaming PCs, 4K TVs, surround sound systems, and used components like CPUs and GPUs.

1:50:56Luke Lafreniere:The goal? Create a fully functional home entertainment center for gaming, movie watching, all with perfect vibes without breaking the bank. You'll see smart DIY solutions and intense tech rivalries as each team fights for the best bang for the buck setup to be crowned victor. Save. It's live. I'm excited. also also each episode will have extras as we have a combined total of 50 hours of footage not including screen recording um oh uh sammy says let's also make the behind the scenes slash extras live now so i guess i will do that here's extra okay i get it

1:51:46Luke Lafreniere:okay so that's public now like it you know what i'll allow it i'll allow it um what else am i supposed to say about this while you're there uh we're looking for your creative ideas to include in our next floatplane x creator warehouse merch drop which will be a poster leave your comments um on the behind the scenes i guess leave your comments there and we'll gather some idea oh no no there's a there's a link we'll gather some ideas to make a sick poster for our float plane subs on a stream with sarah featuring sammy and then the link is here so you want to go you want to go here we need your ideas post under float plane exclusives there you go it's we need your ideas right there all right cool i think that's it for the float plane uh announcements all of these are exclusive for subscribers at lmg.gg slash float plane um so yeah don't worry scrap Scrapyard Wars will come to YouTube, but not yet.

1:52:43Luke Lafreniere:So there's going to be early access for the entire Scrapyard Wars 10. It's going to be great. All right, what are we supposed to be doing now? More topics. You're more topics. Boom, got them. Tesla loses$240 million in an autopilot wrongful death case. A Florida jury has found Tesla partly liable for a 2019 crash involving its autopilot driver assistance system, awarding a total of 242.5 million in damages, making this one of the first major legal decisions to go against Tesla over its driver assist tech. The crash killed one pedestrian and severely injured another after the driver, distracted by his phone while on enhanced autopilot, assumed the car would stop.

1:53:25Luke Lafreniere:Instead, it went through the intersection at over 60 miles an hour, hit an SUV and struck the pedestrians on foot. The jury pinned two thirds of the blame on the driver and one third on Tesla, pointing to autopilot being built for highways but not locked out from other roads yep musk publicly claiming that autopilot drove better than humans that is a direct quote and tesla's history of brushing off ntsb safety recommendations after earlier fatal crashes it is a tough question

1:53:55Linus Sebastian:because the whole better than humans thing could technically still be true i mean yeah if he was on

1:54:00Luke Lafreniere:his phone it might have been maybe two people would have been dead there are absolutely humans

1:54:05Linus Sebastian:that do this there are humans that drive through intersections and smack into people um yep yeah

1:54:11Luke Lafreniere:tesla said it will appeal calling the verdict wrong and warning that it could set back industry-wide efforts to deploy life-saving automation while maintaining that no car then or now could have avoided the crash uh legal experts say this could open the floodgates for more lawsuits against tesla and other automakers especially as adas features spread um i mean yeah into it so something's going to happen how did this take so long as i think my main discussion question here because the way and i've been saying this for so many years i don't object to the technology that tesla is building in fact it's pretty cool what i object to is the way that they have marketed it calling it autopilot makes it sound like a lot more than what it actually is calling it full self-driving even if it's a beta makes it sound a lot more capable than what it actually is and the way that they have deceptively marketed these products i mean their their most recent defense in california against the the uh the false advertising claim was well we've been doing it this long and no one said anything they didn't even deny it was false advertising how has this been excused for so long and why did it take so long for this for this reckoning because it has significantly caused people to overestimate the capabilities of these systems and in some cases with fatal consequences.

1:55:37Luke Lafreniere:I just, like I said, I don't object to the cool tech that Tesla's building, but I don't respect the way that they have marketed their products and the way that they have overrepresented them. And actions have consequences. This time it's$240 million and there's probably going to be more. you can doge a wrench but can you doge a fine says hametics

1:56:04Linus Sebastian:oh man if you had enough doge you could doge a fine

1:56:09Luke Lafreniere:i mean hey not wrong not wrong if you didn't have a falling out with the uh with the tweeter in chief then you might be able to doge a fine yeah i just really don't i i don't obviously this isn't done yet you know there's going to be there's going to be plenty of uh appealness i mean this is probably going to make it all the way to the supreme court just because of the i i think that tesla is not wrong the the the cooling effect that this could have on development in the industry could be very strong but tesla has nobody to blame for that but themselves for recklessly rolling this out before it was actually ready and recklessly misrepresenting its capabilities so this is this is one of those things where it's like i don't know what kind of a parallel can you draw to this also would it because like their their

1:57:05Linus Sebastian:market isn't only um america like they we talked i think it was last show about um tesla competing in that automated driving thing that was in china um there's clearly a lot of cars that they sell in

1:57:20Luke Lafreniere:china that's true but america's a major world market and like if you could potentially face a quarter billion dollar fine when something goes wrong i think i think it might slow down the

1:57:35Linus Sebastian:rollout i don't think it would slow down the work if that makes sense i mean the work will only be

1:57:41Luke Lafreniere:done if they can roll it out and profit from it though ultimately exactly um yeah unique username says yeah what tesla does is harmful for the entire industry harming confidence in tech across brands i mean i i hate to even say this but the closest parallel that i can really think of here is tesla is the false claimant going well if you punish me for saying something that wasn't true then that's going to harm the whole me too movement that's tesla's role here is they were a bad faith actor who f***ed things up and then they're sitting here going but think of the consequences well yeah maybe you should have thought of that yeah because like i want ruins validity i want the industry to move forward i want the industry working to build public trust and work with regulatory bodies to roll this out in a responsible way and you f***ed it up and like i i don't know i feel like a broken record at this point it's like it's one of those things where i feel like this is going to be yet another wan show where the comments are full of like one is just hating on elon musk i don't hate the guy but i can absolutely hate the way that he approached this and i called it i was right i don't know him i hate a lot of stuff he's done Fair enough.

1:59:05Luke Lafreniere:I guess you hate his public image. I don't even know. I mean, I don't respect it. I'll say that much. Hate's an awful strong word. I don't think I can think of too many people that I hate. Like, hate is really strong, man. But, like, I don't respect thinking that you're above the law and thinking that you're not accountable to anybody. Literal lives are at stake. and the irresponsible i mean and i've and i called it so long ago i was like this will happen and then i don't even not even happy i'm right like this isn't like you getting to be right about the cool stuff that you're always right about this sucks i don't want to be right about this i don't

1:59:49Linus Sebastian:know if everything that i've i've guessed is cool yeah i know some of the stuff you've been right about is pretty uncool actually i don't i don't know if you meet someone sorry no go ahead i did I did meet someone here who talked about my whole, um, bringing back the mainframe thing. Um, I was, I was talking about AI stuff for a second. He was talking about how his, his company who in this case will remain nameless is like doing that whole song and dance right now. Um, they're building like many, many, many millions of dollars, tens, maybe hundreds of millions. So like on-prem investment doing on-prem LLM stuff.

2:00:28Linus Sebastian:Dude, you called it so hard. It's not necessarily to do training. It's because definitely nothing that they do ever can go out of house. Yep. And they're seeing, you know, productivity advancements happening in the market and they're not getting them. So they're like, okay, this is what we're doing now. Yep. And he was like, yeah, you called it. And I was like, yeah. I think we both get to be right on that one, right? I think that's probably fair. It was a discussion, really.

2:00:55Luke Lafreniere:You remember all the crap that I was taking back when I put like a storage servers on prem, like way back when we built like the vault and stuff, dude, I took so much flack for not using the cloud for everything. And I was like, bro, this is so obvious. I pay for it one time. There's no ingest fees. There's no takeout fees that I just pay for it one time. and all I'm putting on it is crap that I ultimately don't really care about. It's archival. It doesn't really matter. And I took so much flack for it, man. Because everyone was going, cloud, cloud, it's hyper convergence, this, this, that, oh my god.

2:01:37Luke Lafreniere:I just want a NAS. Calm down. And it seems like everyone is bringing stuff back on-prem. Back on-prem, I didn't see compute coming, though. I saw storage. Storage was just kind of obvious to me because it's so not simple like you you need to be qualified to administer it properly obviously we had those data rod issues with the vault like it's not simple but it is it's relatively simple whereas i think the kinds of deployments that you're talking about are very unsimple especially with modern hardware having the kinds of power and cooling requirements that it does like you have to you have to architect this like the one of the one of the

2:02:19Linus Sebastian:parts of the discussion was talking about how he's part of the the new like local infrastructure team right um and how that's like not super normal now considering he doesn't actually work at a data center he worked he works at like you know the amount of money going into it might make it sound like a data center externally but it's like really not it's it's a it's amazing how how not far 10 million dollars goes these days yeah exactly yeah it's a it's a very sizable server room um and and he has like himself and a very small team and they're they're managing it and it's just it's interesting because this is like how things worked when you and i were getting into the industry and then it kind of stopped being that way everything it was the the same like nobody got fired for buying ibm yes it was like nobody got fired for moving things to the cloud.

2:03:13Linus Sebastian:And then now it's starting to come back, which is cool. It's medical is my guess. I can't say yes or no. It's a good guess, though. That is one of the fields that would be doing this type of thing. Medical, legal, military.

2:03:29Luke Lafreniere:There's plenty of reasons that you would want to have on-prem. Yep.

2:03:34Linus Sebastian:Big, massive, big money companies that need to be able to move efficiently because as everyone does. And there is no possible chance that the stuff that they're working on can go public at any time. And then it's like, okay, well, you can't use these public, like, OpenAI chatbot models then. Although, you know, they did just announce that they're open sourcing some stuff, but you can't use the traditional login to the website type system.

2:04:05Luke Lafreniere:Um, Seth Jones, bringing us back just a little bit, said in float plane chat says, does the way that Tesla over promises their tech at all mirror what the current AI industry is doing with AI tools? Will we see, or we will see real health impacts as people listen to these AI tools for things like medical care? Absolutely. And that's one of the reasons that Luke and I talk about that so much as well, because it's not that we are like amazing soothsayers with incredible crystal balls. It's just that it's so bloody obvious and it feels like lawmakers move at glacial speed sometimes when it's clear that decisive, quick action needs to be taken to deal with this stuff.

2:04:49Luke Lafreniere:And it's so frustrating. I don't know how to fix that. How do you force politicians to pick up a f***ing newspaper? right i can't expect them to read online apparently so like how many of them uh

2:05:13Linus Sebastian:it's not their thing um how do i how do i say this um

2:05:26Linus Sebastian:a lot of company, country leadership all over the place is just like extremely geriatric just to be blunt. Yeah. Yes. And it's like when, when like cars becoming a thing was like a big thing in your life. LLMs might not exactly be top of mind right now. It just.

2:05:46Luke Lafreniere:When you went to school and use chalk. and paper slate yeah like yeah like damn

2:05:59Linus Sebastian:come on this is this is a big part of why lena khan was cool is yeah literally just because this is more of the stuff that like she grew up with as the topical thing at the time i'd like

2:06:15Luke Lafreniere:to once again extend an invitation to lena khan to come move to canada and be our prime minister yeah i'm just saying i will personally run your campaign to be prime minister of canada um i'll volunteer to be clear i don't think carney's done anything particularly egregiously offensive to me yet um i just rather lena we're on a first name basis i call her lena oh yeah okay yeah she called me linus it's our thing

2:06:52Luke Lafreniere:um unify os server enters early access ubiquity released unify os server which allows users to self-host the entire unify stack on their own hardware tldr on the need for this um if you have a unify ecosystem like wireless access points unify cameras um access control um this allows you to bring your own hardware instead of buying a cloud device or multiple cloud devices for you or your clients. Or not necessarily cloud, but like controller devices. Installing and owning a unified controller isn't necessarily new. It's gone through several revisions over the years. They've had dedicated hardware like the CloudKey, which I think was only about$100 when it was released.

2:07:34Luke Lafreniere:It had just two gigs of RAM and a slow quad core SOC. They also have beefy dedicated hardware like the cloud cookie enterprise the dream machine if i recall correctly can also act as a unify controller and then it determines like how many unified devices you can manage how powerful your controller is but this is super cool now you can just like bring your own hardware the requirement for the unify os server are a minimum of 20 gigs of free space wsl windows subsystem for linux v2 or linux podman 4.3.1 plus the biggest reason this is exciting is that the old Unify software that was available on computers could only host Unify Network to manage things like Wi-Fi, but this is now adding Unify Identity, which controls user access to buildings and such.

2:08:19Luke Lafreniere:Super cool! So you could just have it run in a VM, you could make it super resilient and have failover, or high availability, or whatever else. You can do anything you can do with a computer that you can administer on-prem with your own hardware, and that is just super cool for a company that still somehow has not transitioned to a subscription model. Not only are they not going subscription model with their networking hardware, but they are even letting you bring some of your own hardware instead of buying it from them, as long as you buy a whole bunch of their other hardware. Ubiquity has such an enlightened approach to how much of their hardware I should be forced to buy.

2:09:01Luke Lafreniere:The answer is f***ing zero. I should be forced to buy zero of your hardware. Apple, I already bought your AirPods Pro 2s. I shouldn't need another Apple device to monitor my battery life on it. I already bought the product. So I should have the functionality of it. Ubiquiti seems to embrace that. I buy the access point. It should just work. Now I can bring my own controller hardware because at the end of the day, I bought the access point. I am your customer. It's super based. And I like it. Good job, Ubiquity. Sorry, I sound like angry, but I'm happy.

2:09:51Luke Lafreniere:Sorry, what's Hamnetics talking about? Oh, no, never mind. All right. Oh. Google claims that AI isn't killing website clicks. But you sure about that? No, David wanted me to do a Tim Robinson voice. I forget the voice. I'm sorry. After a report from the Pew Research Center backed up claims from SEO experts that AI summaries are causing a massive reduction in click-through to websites of nearly 50 % via search engines, head of google search liz reed responded in a blog post that said third-party reports were based on flawed methodologies isolated examples or traffic changes that occurred prior to the rollout of ai features in search um she further um actually that total organic click volume from google search to websites has been relatively stable year over year and average quick click quality has increased the problem with all of this is that while pew research center not to mention our friends over at um oh god i forget house fresh that was close also i think the anecdotal evidence of most people using google yeah so our so so pew research center and our friends over at house fresh fresh brought the data but liz reed brought some words with no data to back this up other than trust me bro which i think google at this point has kind of um utilized their their full allocation of how many bro trust me's they get um so i'd love to see i'd love to see google actually actually bring the bring the data here um however what i will say is that my personal habits, especially now that I've started using AI a little bit more and had such serious problems with it, are shifting in a big way.

2:11:53Luke Lafreniere:So I will read an AI summary and now I won't just click through one source. I'll actually click through more than one. It's something that I've noticed myself doing, especially over the last couple of weeks. Now all of a sudden - Does he trust stuff less? I trust everything less now. Like the AI summary, has eroded my trust not only in the AI summary, but even in the sources that it is citing, if that makes sense. Yeah. I have no bro trust left, Luke. So, and I don't know if my behavior, like, is anyone else feeling the same way as anyone? I saw Dan nodding. But like, is anyone else behaving this way?

2:12:33Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I've been doing that too. It's really weird to hear somebody else is doing that too. Yeah. Sometimes I just want the AI summary stuff. sometimes but i don't trust it weird why is that the natural progression of this bubbly charizard asks is there a limit on the trust me bro warranties you have already used a bunch with the single layer backpack issues i'm not really sure what you mean by using a bunch what we did was we offered a remedy and then we offered a virtual second layer such that if the first layer wears through on one that doesn't have the two layers then you contact us and we fix it or get a replacement that's i'm sorry i'm just a hundred percent not sure if i understand your question and then our our our limited lifetime warranty for the backpack is laid out on our site um so yeah anyone else i literally just don't believe anything made after 2023 says crusty trombone is that where we're headed like dude i i don't even i don't even i would occasionally very occasionally let's say once every six months i would open up facebook so that i could browse my incredible facebook marketplace algorithm and i would start scrolling like the main feed and i'd like watch some videos or something i straight up don't even bother anymore because i'm so sure that so much of what i'm looking at is fake yeah like is it all just ruined at this point

2:14:10Linus Sebastian:the internet is kind of a dumpster fire right now um and i don't think there's going to be much

2:14:17Luke Lafreniere:undoing it parallelogram says i've had professors who will not allow sources unless they were pre covid because so many of the newer ones are fake what yeah no that actually completely makes sense

2:14:31Linus Sebastian:to me it's um it's rough i think you know how the i've mentioned this a couple times on way show but you know how the the like crypto bros um tried to say that blockchain blockchain was web 4 i think ai garbage might be effectively web 4 because that's sad why do you in my opinion is Is this a competition?

2:14:54Luke Lafreniere:Are you just trying to find something worse to be right about than what I was right about? Yeah, maybe. Because, like, I think you're right. But, like, wow.

2:15:03Linus Sebastian:I don't know the actual rules for, like, how those iterations happen. I don't know that there really are. Here's a colored metal. Yeah. Yeah, really. Yeah. Because, like, I think to me it's always, like, using the internet now feels significantly different. That's the way that I've seen, like, Web 1, Web 2, Web 3. Each one of those line up for me as in the way that I use and interact with the internet significantly changed around this time. And blockchain didn't do almost anything for that for the vast majority of people. But AI garbage has massively changed how people interact with the internet and how people perceive the internet.

2:15:45Linus Sebastian:Both of those things have massively changed.

2:15:51Yeah.

2:15:52Luke Lafreniere:one of our discussion questions on this one is uh what's your favorite alternative search engine present or past uh those are web three ultra vista baby nice um i have to confess that i didn't really think about how automatically i use google until i switched over to graph yeah i

2:16:15Linus Sebastian:skipped one so sorry sorry sorry i meant i went web three not web four my bad thanks um it defaults

2:16:20Luke Lafreniere:to DuckDuckGo, and I have yet to have it be a problem yet. I haven't fully switched over. I haven't put my SIM in this phone yet. It's a bit of a trip, man. The default app store

2:16:33Luke Lafreniere:has... Wait, what are you running? Sorry, is that graphene? This many apps. Graphene. I'm going to do it for a month. I had someone in chat earlier asking me about the Fold7. That's next in my queue. I haven't done a phone in a while. Now I've got two dumped on me right at the same time. I might do the Fold7 first, just because this is a little less time sensitive but i'm i'm very intrigued by it so far there's you have to install android auto you can install the google play store and it runs in like a sandboxed way yeah so that it like controls what it can see but it doesn't even come with it by default it's um i've been very

2:17:10Linus Sebastian:interested in setting up graphene the the main thing that i've been staying away from is and i'd be interested in if you can get an answer to this being an actual user because i don't know anyone directly that actually uses it day to day. But can you get any form of actual call screening? Oh. Because I don't think so. And I've been wondering if there was some because call screening right now, as far as my understanding goes for Google, is processed on their servers. So I was wondering, like, the thing that terrifies me is how much this might cost. But I was kind of thinking it It could be interesting to try to set up an open source bounty for a locally processed call screening app.

2:17:52Linus Sebastian:That's interesting. I think that would be really cool. That is something that if it was an app that existed and it was a paid app, I would buy it 100%. And I would switch over to Graphene. But the thing that has been keeping me off of Graphene is specifically just call screening not being a thing. There's not just because of my number having leaked a couple times and stuff. But just there are so many spam calls these days that it would like actually be a significant waste of my time to answer the phone every time I get called. Yeah.

2:18:25Luke Lafreniere:Okay, I added that to my notes.

2:18:27Linus Sebastian:Yeah, but I think having a pixel dialer that processes in Google's cloud is at least partially defeating the point of having graphics. And someone's like, oh, you can just download that.

2:18:37Luke Lafreniere:I think that's going to be one of my big conclusions, honestly, from this video, is that, you know, I didn't find, I can already tell. I have hardly even set the thing up yet. You can say I have almost nothing installed in it. And the second I opened it up, I was like, well, I want Google, I want the Google Play Store. And I went, the conclusion is going to be, wow, using this is basically the same because I'm completely using it wrong. So to spoil the video a little bit.

2:19:06Linus Sebastian:I think you should try to go out of your you know your box a little bit like what if you it's tough because I have a lot of work

2:19:15Luke Lafreniere:it's tough because I have a lot of work to do that I just like need to do my work on

2:19:20Linus Sebastian:should someone else do this with you then though because like I think that's not the graphene experience no

2:19:28Luke Lafreniere:no it's not

2:19:29Linus Sebastian:because there are alternative mapping solutions which are like local

2:19:33Luke Lafreniere:localized maps and like all this other stuff yeah there's one that's like right in in their app store or in the uh is russian i don't know the other app store that they have it's like local maps um but with that said ona hikeage in uh floatplane chat says i mean look at the permissions list for google play services and then have the satisfaction of being able to deny almost all of them like that's something sometimes because like android actually has a lot of really great

2:19:59Linus Sebastian:privacy features that doesn't defeat the purpose then it's just that they don't they don't guide

2:20:03Luke Lafreniere:you to use them like that's something that i think um that that from my last round on iphone that i came away really positive about was that um while honestly the iphone doesn't actually have a lot of privacy stuff that android doesn't have what they do is they like put it in your face they're like hey this is happening did you want did you want this to happen right like they actually really make a point of prompting you to think about it whereas google doesn't not to the same degree um and so if if it's as simple as you know making me think about it a little bit more maybe graphene os does have a point even for someone like me who isn't going to stop using otter for meeting transcription and isn't going to stop using teams and isn't going to stop logging into my corporate g suite account you know as system-wide as i possibly can so that i have a more seamless experience right like i'm going to do all those things but hey at least it's not any worse than it has to be.

2:21:07Linus Sebastian:Current years sucks.

2:21:11Linus Sebastian:What a statement about technology, right?

2:21:18Linus Sebastian:I'm trying this new thing because at least it doesn't have to be any worse than it has to be.

2:21:27Linus Sebastian:Oh, that blows. All right.

2:21:31Luke Lafreniere:All right. Our next topic is Linus wants to talk about this Reddit post. Is this normal? If you're playing console, some games will be discontinued on older platforms. No, but it will be. This was posted by Genshin Impact. Notice on the removal and discontinuation of updates for Genshin Impact on PS4. Hashtag Genshin Impact. Dear traveler, Thank you for your continued support and love for Genshin Impact on PS4. Due to limitations related to hardware performance and platform application size, we will be discontinuing support and updates for Genshin Impact on PS4 in future versions. Genshin Impact on PS5 will continue to operate normally and is not affected by the removal and update discontinuation on PS4.

2:22:16Luke Lafreniere:Traveler will still be able to enjoy the latest content updates on PS5 and other supported platforms. the reddit user says this is my first time encountering a game being discontinued as i don't use consoles should consumers who play on consoles be concerned about this games get discontinued on pc all the time no no no no no but my my point is that this is a free-to-play game that just like stops working this whole it's we are finally reaching the end game for some people of games as a service where they're going well hold on a second but but but this is a game that i that i always played on this and i well i still want to i still want to play it on it well what happened to the game that i played this is what we've been talking about like this whole time where as soon as the control over the game in this case it's a free to play so i'm not even mad like Yeah, they can do whatever they want to do with it.

2:23:20Luke Lafreniere:At the end of the day, it's up to them to optimize the size.

2:23:24Linus Sebastian:There's people that have spent a lot of money on the free-to-play game.

2:23:28Luke Lafreniere:This is true. No, this is very true. And now I guess...

2:23:31Linus Sebastian:Free-to-play, but extremely monetized.

2:23:33Luke Lafreniere:Now I guess you better spend another$500 on a PlayStation 5 or some other piece of hardware that'll run this game. And this is what we warned you about.

2:23:45Linus Sebastian:Is that a crazy part of this? Like if you're a free-to-play platform, is this an easy way to get rid of the users that you don't want?

2:23:55Luke Lafreniere:Oh, just like the poor's who aren't spending enough money on your game? Oh, wow. Because if they have enough money to buy those big packs,

2:24:05Linus Sebastian:I'm assuming they sell packs. I think that's the thing these days. They probably have enough money to buy a new PlayStation.

2:24:15Luke Lafreniere:Man, this is brutal. I mean, to be clear, I'm not, sorry, I'm not, I'm not trying to like gloat or anything. I'm not happy about this. It's just like, this is, this is exactly what we've been talking about, where you, you put the power in the game publishers hands for when and how they want to support the game. and they decide, hey, we're, you know what? We're just gonna take our ball and go home. That's it. You're completely at their mercy. You don't play that game anymore. I gotta say, it's one of the reasons that I have a really hard time investing myself in any way, in any kind of live service gaming experience.

2:25:01Yeah.

2:25:02Luke Lafreniere:At the end of the day, next time I log in, it'll be different and if i really liked it the way that it was i feel like a lot of the toxicity that we see in these communities where they kind of anything something gets buffed half the community is mad something gets nerfed half the community is mad it's like yeah one of the problems is just be happy they didn't rip it out of your hands entirely i guess is is the only

2:25:27Linus Sebastian:consolation i can offer one of the problems is even single player games are getting post-launch balance changes these days which i just don't get but is absolutely a thing like nothing is really safe from the developers continuing to metal uh regaita says does wow still have the same hardware

2:25:49Luke Lafreniere:requirements as when it was released 20 years ago absolutely not and um this may surprise you but I have never subscribed to WoW.

2:26:00Linus Sebastian:But you could play a privateered pirate server of the original WoW that does have the same hardware requirements.

2:26:13Luke Lafreniere:With Genshin, you're just kind of like...

2:26:14Linus Sebastian:Let's go PC gaming. There are privateer servers for Genshin as well. Someone mentioned it in Floatplane chat. I had no idea.

2:26:22Luke Lafreniere:Okay, that's pretty cool. Yeah, Elijah makes a good point. I mean, the game runs on a phone, so from his point of view, this seems like 100 % an excuse to get rid of the pores. That's like, it's such a cynical take, but I wish I could refute it. But are they really putting that much server load on? Just firing up the game on their PlayStation and playing Genshin Impact? It's rendered locally. What's the load?

2:26:52Linus Sebastian:They mentioned performance, and I wonder if it's like, you know, they want to release some new zone and it's going to just not function or something. I have no idea.

2:27:02Luke Lafreniere:FogelBR said, this isn't taking your ball and going home. This is popping the player's ball and walking away. Yeah. Yeah, I get it.

2:27:09Linus Sebastian:I still think, I wouldn't be surprised if there was at least an undertone of, we're not worried about those users though. Seriously.

2:27:19Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

2:27:19Linus Sebastian:Because if you're a free-to-play game and you have users that never pay for microtransactions, those users cost you money. I guess that's true.

2:27:26Luke Lafreniere:It doesn't matter if they're only costing you a little bit. They're costing you money.

2:27:30Linus Sebastian:They're costing you money. There is an aspect to it where they are fodder for your paid users. They are the minions that your paid users get to cleave through and look down on. So you want at least some of them, but you probably don't need that many, you know?

2:27:49Yeah.

2:27:51Luke Lafreniere:Man, that's adding another layer of cynicism to it. like having the poorest just be fodder for the pay to wins so having them be part of your part of your balanced ecosystem that's that's dude that's crazy that's crazy no i'm certain that's

2:28:06Linus Sebastian:the thing i used to think about this and i would talk about it sometimes with tarkov too because tarkov had a skill system it was really weird that a uh a first person shooter game has skill system and the skill system took forever to level up like it for for reference like you know i play that game a ton i i don't think i ever actually maxed out a skill right because they don't want you to unless you're like a streamer bro and you play this game for your living and also you are the the the advertisement so if you have skills once you get a skill to max level in tarkov not only is it strong but you unlock unique perks that are like really strong um okay and it it it gives you a definite actual advantage in the game so if all your streamer bros have an advantage in the game yeah um and also play all the time so they're really good then they

2:29:05Luke Lafreniere:make the game look like way cooler and way awesomer then you're like oh i want to go

2:29:11Linus Sebastian:you know kill all these dudes and get all their gear and be better than everyone as well and then you go play and you just get wrecked because now you are the cannon fodder for the streamer bros. It's an interesting concept. There's so much incentive right now to make your game good for streamers. I think a lot of people saw this from PUBG. PUBG had a really, really, really, really strong natural cycle of intense focus gameplay. So it was like intense focus looting round with a little bit of a lull after that where you're probably just running or moving or whatever and you can talk to chat, answer some...

2:29:50Linus Sebastian:Some merch messages. ...subscription message things, thanks some people, whatever, and then get into the late game fight and then die and then get into the lobby where you can sit back and fully relax and chat with your... talk with your chat for a while and respond to more subscription stuff and then you get into another game and it keeps cycling. Because if you play a game like... I don't know. This is a topical game right now. Battlefield. Battlefield might not be as strong of a streaming game because it doesn't necessarily have the break cycle that something like a Apex Legends or a PUBG or whatever else might have.

2:30:27Linus Sebastian:So there's these like, is it a good game for streamers? Because if it is a good game for streamers, whether or not that translates to the users individually does mean that you have like the best possible advertising engine for games on your side, which means you'll probably win regardless. like we see this with Among Us I think is another good example Among Us is like an incredibly good streaming game Among Us didn't take off for a really long time Among Us was not super talked about and then it took off with streamers which made it take off in sales and now it's like a cultural phenomenon and then a bunch of games have been made in the spirit of Among Us whether or not they're actually like Among Us directly or not they've been made with that spirit and we saw the exact same thing happen with PUBG.

2:31:11Linus Sebastian:The strongest marketing engine in the world is going to be able to dictate the type of games that are made and the ways that they're made and the benefits that certain players may or may not have.

2:31:26Linus Sebastian:It's a wild world. My laptop's doing that thing again, so give me a sec.

2:31:31Luke Lafreniere:Okay.

2:31:37There we go.

2:31:38Linus Sebastian:Everything's working again. Way to go, Lenovo.

2:31:40Luke Lafreniere:I love that Among Us is just like, was it? It was you. It was you I was talking to about this. When you saw Adam's title for the YouTube profanity relaxation thing, you were like, oh, it's like the Blink song. And I was like, no, the origin of that is actually George Carlin's bit, the seven words you cannot say. It's been very interesting to watch my kids think that Among Us is like the origin of it's like bro we used to play among us in irl it was called mafia you know

2:32:17Linus Sebastian:but didn't wasn't mafia i think it's been off of something else i think the original might be

2:32:23Luke Lafreniere:secret hitler or werewolf there's a lot of different variants it's like card games where there's a lot of variants of it um which can be you know which can be frustrating but can also be really cool. Like I played a card game that my grandmother called hand and foot, which I've never been able to figure out what it was. You had like two sets of cards. That's all I remember. Cause I was like seven or eight or something. Um, and so it's, it's really cool that we used to have kind of house rules for things. And I think that's something that's kind of missing now that everyone just plays among us.

2:32:55Luke Lafreniere:Um, but also you can like tweak the rule set or, you know, whatever. I just might be mods for among us Well you can even just you can even just Tweak the rule set wait D-Doc says wait wait wait wait wait wait Wait you guys actually know this game Hold on people Actually know hand and foot okay I need Someone okay what is it actually Called Because I've tried to look it up and I've never been able to find the game that I Played my wife Knows that game hold on a second Is it did my google food just suck hand and foot is a card game a variation of canasta canasta oh hey thanks ai summary yep how to play hand and foot okay apparently i just sucked at looking this up before i did look it up years and years ago because i was like oh i'd love to play that game that i played when i was a kid i couldn't find any information on it um some people are saying it's a version of rummy no it's a variation of canasta okay i'm gonna have to i'm gonna have to figure out this canasta thing oh here's okay here's probably probably a source that i could maybe trust since they have been trusted since 1885 you know um wait they don't even make bicycles liars this is why they promote this game though oh wow yeah that's how they get you that's how they get you five to six decks of cards okay all right I'm officially I'm officially adding play hand and foot to my list of things to do with the kids feel free to pick a topic in the meantime

2:34:48Linus Sebastian:okay um whoa what the heck just happened there we go psa instagram added maps and your location is on by default perfect yesterday instagram updated to have a map feature where you can see events and other stories from around the world the problem is this is on by default so if you happen to post a story from your house it lets all your followers know your exact location holy crap that is the dumbest thing so turn the setting off either deny instagram having location access in your phone settings or in app navigate to story live and location and turn location sharing to no one elijah said i saw this story since i was following someone who had over four million followers and people started sending her screenshots of her house on google because she posted a story for cat wow oh my god uh all right well i need to log into my insta real quick um

2:36:03Luke Lafreniere:at least i don't post on instagram yeah me neither but what if i accidentally did at some point

2:36:08Linus Sebastian:yeah i'm gonna change this right now this is this uh i hope there's some way they can get sued for this i doubt it they should be able to get sued for doxing people for that default default enabled needs to be something that is like cared about more okay so what do we do we go to in app we navigate to story live and location oh my god how are there this many settings in the instagram app like oh also from meta i don't care i'd never use this app i really don't okay no just about anything about it i already had location settings off so it didn't work for me

2:36:53Luke Lafreniere:anyways who can see your content how you account is it oh is it account center sharing across profiles oh my god account settings preferences subscriptions personal details i i can't even find oh story story live and location here we go here we go here we go okay location sharing next uh no one cool done all right not sharing location nice let's go whoa okay you can see

2:37:21Linus Sebastian:okay this is the dumbest okay uh whoa i need to message some people um quite a few people actually let's go to an area where i won't have to what were you saying earlier okay so these are just country accounts so i can show this yeah um but it shows exactly where they were posting from wow and it's a live map that you can like scroll around on i'm not going to move that much because i found people that i know personally and I know where they live and I'm looking on the map and that's where their house is and there's more than one of them.

2:37:59Luke Lafreniere:Can you guys believe Luke just doxed an entire country live on the WAN show? Actual crime. Dude, this is crazy.

2:38:07Linus Sebastian:I didn't zoom in far enough, but I might have doxed who is running those countries' accounts.

2:38:12Luke Lafreniere:Is someone going to have to die for Meta to take this stuff seriously? Will they even?

2:38:19Linus Sebastian:like this is actually this is insane holy crap I didn't think it would literally just give you a map that you can scroll around and see everyone that you're following actively with their most recent stories like that is wild Elijah said and it was a snap maps thing from like 10 years ago this is so dumb this is actually just very brain dead I

2:38:49Linus Sebastian:yeah like there's a there's a there's one that i follow and i don't know this person but the snap map location is like in suburbia in kind of the middle of nowhere so it's probably their house that's really bad

2:39:07Luke Lafreniere:whoa in other news microsoft thinks we're gonna throw away our keyboards by the year 2030 microsoft corporate vp of os security david dwizzle yeston made some bold claims in a video posted on the windows youtube channel about microsoft's vision of computing in 2030 tldr the future is ai among numerous ideas about how ai agents will improve os security and computing in general in the next five years, Weston claimed that the world of mousing around and typing will feel as alien as it does to Gen Z to use MS-DOS and said that we will have unlimited compute in the form of quantum. YouTube viewers commenting on the video tend to take issue with Dwistle's predictions.

2:39:57Luke Lafreniere:Herman Wooster, 8944 asks, why is the VP of OS security suggesting such unsecure modes of interaction? While Suskitashi points out you've been trying to migrate control panel to the settings app for 13 years uh this this whole this whole interview was um yeah it was kind of rough honestly um but yeah i i don't really know i don't really know how to deal with people who seem to be under the impression that with people who keep trying to reinvent the mousing keyboard there isn't a faster more precise way and if there was we would have thought of it to point at something and interact with it um also this may be surprising to mr dwizzle yeston but many people still use the command line for many things some of them on a daily or even hourly or minutely basis it can be an incredibly convenient and fast way of interacting with a pc depending on what exactly it is that you're trying to do photo editing probably not so much administering a server definitely

2:41:32Luke Lafreniere:uh hamnetics says ipconfig daily yeah i mean even even a lot more than that though uh yeah pp kinetic says i do command line stuff more now than i did 20 years ago yep aslan says shout out ffmpeg a hundred percent uh luke do you need help uh there are some i'm helping some people right now there are some people that like you know that actively docks their own houses um oh so i'm trying to cool not you but right yeah i don't have any instagram users in my immediate family um but yes i mean you know what you uh go ahead and do what you got to do digital foundry has gone independent by buying their brand and video archive from ign um after years of shared ownership which passed from parent company to parent company and david has a note here euro gamers parent company uh gamers network first bought 50 % of Digital Foundry, but was then bought by ReadPop, and then IGN's parent company Ziff Davis bought Gamers Network from them.

2:42:43Luke Lafreniere:Ziff Davis has had back-to-back rounds of layoffs and offered the buyback to Ledbetter. Richard Ledbetter has bought back a majority share of Digital Foundry, the company he founded around 20 years ago, by adding 25 % to the 50 % ownership he already had. The final 25 % will be held by investor Rupert Lohman, co-founder of Eurogamer. Although we don't know the exact cost of the buyback, Ledbetter said, I think this is pretty much easily the biggest thing I've ever bought, more than my house. Ledbetter also insists that Digital Foundry won't see major changes or move to a primarily subscription-based model and hopes that they can more easily pursue some of the passion projects that their parent companies have shied away from, like a retro games-focused podcast.

2:43:29Luke Lafreniere:That would be pretty cool. We're huge fans of the painstaking work that Digital Foundry does, so we're excited to see where they take the company, and we wish them nothing but success after success. So congrats, Richard, Alex, John, Oliver, and everyone on the team. Our discussion question here is, what freedoms has being an independent media source afforded LMG? Ooh, I mean, many. I think that without being privately held, not just privately held but majority privately held um we would be a shadow of the company that we are today we would not be able to do any of the kind of fun outlandish projects that we do you know buying fire trucks moving into the old house for our april fools never flown there's absolutely no

2:44:21Linus Sebastian:way there's absolutely no way especially the the last april fools one where you got that house

2:44:27Luke Lafreniere:there's no way there's there's absolutely no way bean counters won't allow that kind of thing and as much as i i love to kind of rib yvonne on camera about her you know her bean counter persona she's um she's a pretty fun loving bean counter and it really doesn't take that much convincing um you know for for her to kind of let me let me do whatever it is that i think is going to ultimately resonate with with you who i who i see as our our guiding star right um and and and help us kind of build that relationship in the in the longer term um there's all kinds of decisions with respect to like sponsored content or advertiser relationships that we've walked away from that i don't think a more bean oriented ownership group would have would have allowed or they certainly would have, you know, pushed us to try to make things work when we just look at it and we just go, yeah, this just doesn't really make sense.

2:45:27Luke Lafreniere:Like there's, there's times that we could have done it, but it just, it would have sucked and it would have felt forced and, and you guys wouldn't have liked it and it wouldn't have been good for the longterm. But I just feel like more numbers oriented people have a tendency to be not even not forward thinking but almost more retrospective like you know you'll look they'll look back and go well that didn't you know blow us up back then so it should be fine and looking backward is such a well for me it's such a it's such a flawed perspective when you're trying to figure out the path forward because just because the direction that you're marching in right now has been good up until this time doesn't mean that it is going to be good in the future or even that it was ever good it just means it might just mean you got away with it you know and um I am grateful every day that we never raised money.

2:46:40Luke Lafreniere:Every day that we do anything, I'm like, man, I am so glad that I'm not accountable to some bean counter owner that can tell me how to do my job. Because at the end of the day, my job is to be me. And hopefully, you know, enough of you out there relate to that, that this whole thing doesn't collapse, right? Like we are, it's pretty scary and also humbling to think about that we are one of the longest standing like influencer organizations slash people. Like I hail from a completely different era of online influencers before the word even existed.

2:47:30Linus Sebastian:and yeah you know i'm i'm not on many actually multiple eras the rise and fall of many many many

2:47:42Luke Lafreniere:kols key online influencers that was the first term that had influencer in it that i remember um from before that was just like a thing um have come and gone in the time that i've been around And I am, you know, knock on wood here, you know, haven't reached the same heights as some of those people. You know what they say about the candle that burns twice as bright might burn half as long. So mine's been a slow burn in my weird little tech niche here. But I am acutely aware of the fact that what we do is an alchemical combination of luck and skill and the right people and grit and all of those things that have somehow managed to carry on for, I mean, 17, I think coming on 18 years now since my first upload, which is literally my YouTube career is almost legally an adult now.

2:48:57Luke Lafreniere:It's just kind of mind-blowing, you know?

2:49:03Linus Sebastian:It is kind of wild. It's been interesting being in creator conversations, like mostly at OpenSauce, where you hear people talk about us, if you know what I mean. um like it's there's very few people still around that know that that we kind of like pioneered ads which in a in a pretty large way directly or indirectly enabled a lot of creators to do this as a job um there's to be clear i just want to make i want a point of clarification we

2:49:43Luke Lafreniere:weren't the first to do the like podcast style like you know ad reads inside our videos but we were one of the first to do it um with like the the cutaway to essentially very similar to google's own adsense spots uh we were one of the first to do sponsorship reads like that with the you know the link above the fold and we used to use youtube's annotations so you could like click on it and interact with it and go to the sponsor's website and stuff like that and what we definitely were for better or for worse was we were one of the first to explain it to our audience and explain how the economics of adsense were not going to allow the scale that we could see for this for this um media for this medium to grow um and that there would need to be more to make it sustainable And Google never to this day still hasn't figured out how to compete with the CPMs of your own internal sales team selling those placements somehow.

2:50:55Luke Lafreniere:Somehow, and I remember getting into a somewhat, I wouldn't say heated, but maybe testy conversation with someone very high up at Google who works on the ad product, who basically was of the mind that our idiot advertisers are overpaying for those spots. And I said, no, your idiot product is not selling optimally enough, because if you guys were getting the same CPMs that I was, I wouldn't even need to do it. we agreed to disagree we agreed to disagree what a terrible take

2:51:33Linus Sebastian:whoa i would not want a person with that opinion to lead a team that i was on well it depends

2:51:41Luke Lafreniere:no no because i don't want to be down on the guy because honestly the reason i was talking to him in the first place was he's smart as a whip like one of the smartest people that i've ever had the pleasure of speaking with there's a reason that he's in the position he's in however however i think people can end up in their bubble a little bit and he's in a very data driven bubble from his perspective when it comes down to the raw data he's right they are overpaying because you should only pay a market rate but from my perspective where i what i bring to the conversation is the human element where people ad buyers do not buy necessarily only click through and conversion they care about those things especially a certain kind of buyer cares about those things but if that was all that mattered nobody would ever buy a super bowl ad that would have no value right some ad buyers it's more about the emotion it's about it's about building the connection between those brands why do you think amd spends as much money as they spend and don't kid yourself they spend money on amd ultimate tech upgrade it's an emotional connection that they want how many ryzen cpus do you think every amd ultimate tech upgrade sells a handful maybe it's not about that it's about amd getting to be part of bringing positivity and being at the center of people's tech lives that's what it's about that's what that's what they want and they can't replicate that with just like um with just a data-driven ad transaction product you have to have both

2:53:33Linus Sebastian:yeah i hope he has some more conversations with you in the future um yeah sorry what i hope he has more conversations with you on that topic in the future

2:53:44Luke Lafreniere:Well, because I mean, one of the things that I was kind of pitching was I would love to have more tools for us selling against their integration tools. Yeah. Which was what I was ultimately trying to get at was we know our product better than you ever could. And I don't have to prove that because I already did. Because I can sell it for more than you can. so either get good or let me be good but what we're doing right now is i think creating a really i think it creates a really uh fragmented product for the user i think that for a user who pays for youtube premium the fact that so much baked in sponsorness is in their content is a really um discombobulating experience and i would love to streamline the product so that if google can figure out how to make their their ad service products actually work and if they can give us the tools where we can feed our own content into them that could be a net benefit to both sides and a better experience for the users if you could properly sell takeovers as well

2:54:57Linus Sebastian:i think ads would like that sorry uh brands would like that um like if you could have it so that the the Google ads and the baked in ads on a video where we're from the same company.

2:55:09Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. I mean, Hatho says trust is important to me. The majority of the publications and channels, I don't trust their product recommendations without my own research, but with LTT's integrity and my investment as a viewer, product recommendations have weight. And that's something that we, we strive for and we don't always get it right. I want to make that abundantly clear. But what we do do is we take your feedback. He said, do, do. Sorry. What we do do is we take your feedback and we bring that back to our business team and we make sure that they are constantly revising from a category standpoint, from like a business type standpoint, and even down to individual brand standpoint, who we're willing to work with.

2:55:53Yeah.

2:55:56Luke Lafreniere:I got him.

2:55:57Linus Sebastian:What do we got next?

2:56:00Luke Lafreniere:I don't know. Digital Foundry. Gabe Newell. I thought I said we're not doing this topic. Gabe Newell bought a super yacht manufacturer.

2:56:14Luke Lafreniere:Should we talk about Microsoft and the keyboards thing? Why does no...

2:56:17Linus Sebastian:Did we talk about that already?

2:56:17Luke Lafreniere:Okay, hold on a second. Actually, I have a completely almost unrelated topic of conversation. Why does... why does Gabe Newell seem to get a billionaire pass

2:56:35Luke Lafreniere:why does nobody seem to care that he just like floats around on multiple hundreds of millions of dollars yachts in times of financial turmoil but we like hate Amazon for doing it or Bezos rather specifically and like okay maybe okay Bezos is probably a bad example because it's very clear why everyone hates him.

2:56:57Linus Sebastian:Workers are like very clearly in an abusive relationship with the company. Um.

2:57:07Linus Sebastian:I think that's honestly probably a lot of it. People like the product. People like Steam and Valve and the games that they make. Yeah, they like the product. But like, I mean, Valve... The press around them. Like the press around Amazon is like the warehouse workers are like horrifically abused. And the drivers are peeing in bottles. And they're like running out of people in the entire country of America that haven't at least worked there once and would be an eligible person to work there. because they've cycled through so many people. Okay. No one wants to keep working there.

2:57:38Luke Lafreniere:Okay, forget Bezos for a second. What about like Larry Ellison? Okay, nobody likes -

2:57:43Linus Sebastian:Yeah, Oracle is an incredibly oppressive, horrible thing.

2:57:46Luke Lafreniere:But nobody seems to hate Ellison for having a giant yacht or a plane or whatever. What's the difference? I think a lot of people hate Ellison.

2:57:54Linus Sebastian:I think tons of people hate Ellison. I think if you ask the chat right now, people really hate Ellison. Hold on. He's just not as public. he he like is not as in people's faces um yeah people that do know about oracle hate ellison

2:58:09Luke Lafreniere:for sure okay so hold on chat's got some takes chat's got some takes um hatho says while i personally think billionaires shouldn't exist valve has made the lives of consumers better amazon has made the lives of consumers worse in many aspects okay i think that's pretty fair crystal says because he just because newell doesn't just like actively make things worse

2:58:30Linus Sebastian:what has amazon done that has made the lives of consumers worse i mean they completely

2:58:36Luke Lafreniere:and shitified online shopping i i will never forgive them honestly compared to where they were i guess so they should find their own product yeah but i mean okay but we could have had never and should have i mean look luke you and i have talked about this so much the silicon valley model right where you take all of the you take all the vc funding you use it to push everybody else out like uber basically killed taxis which were their own problem honestly i have no sympathy for the taxi cartels but they basically like used free money the free money water hose to wash away the taxis and then jacked up the rate so now like okay yeah so it's so they hurt companies

2:59:22Linus Sebastian:that already existed that deserve to still be able to or they hurt i mean that's consumer patterns or they hurt no no with amazon hold on hold on hold on i'm not done with amazon though

2:59:32Luke Lafreniere:because what amazon harmed was the development of a more organic healthier ecosystem by just hoovering up everything in their path use by not making money for so long and maybe i'm just uh i

2:59:48Linus Sebastian:can't bleep it but maybe i'm just a bad word for for approaching this this way but i don't know man i i think amazon created the opportunity and people showed up people stopped going to those

3:00:02Luke Lafreniere:brick and mortars people bought in but in the early days they were so strongly incentivized The shipping was free and the product cost the same or less. So they sold us.

3:00:12Linus Sebastian:All the writing was aggressively painted in blood on the walls. Oh, I mean, you can't. All the brick and mortars were going to die.

3:00:18Luke Lafreniere:You can't expect the average consumer to see that far in the future. They're not that smart. I mean, Amazon sold us a future. Amazon sold us a future and then rug pulled it. Like that's what people are mad about.

3:00:34Linus Sebastian:They need to get good. It was talked about so much. It was in TV news that all the brick and mortars were going to die. This was like an extremely well-known thing, and people just bought it anyways. They didn't care about the brick and mortars until Amazon exercised their monopoly. And then they were like, oh, think about the people that we definitely killed by only buying from Amazon. I don't know. Anyways, yeah, Amazon's obviously trash. uh breakdown says gamers are incredibly tribalistic and steam is one of their friendly tribes so gaben can do no wrong breakdown 1923 says nobody hates jensen

3:01:17Luke Lafreniere:yeah i don't know about that i think yeah i think there's i think i think jensen is probably more liked than most of them you know what i think that's probably fair because the worst thing he seems to do is make a lot of money which is sort of par for the course when you're a billionaire like that's just it kind of comes with the territory he lies all the time yeah that's that's true why do we let him get away with that i guess well we don't but why do people in general seem to still just kind of love him i guess they just have like nvidia and their 401k and they're

3:01:50Linus Sebastian:just over it like is it that simple probably a lot of people are just like yeah guy made me a lot of

3:01:55Luke Lafreniere:money is what it is hmm what else am i looking okay what else we got here um okay okay oh people are talking about ellison a lot okay i'm gonna have to scroll for a while to get past that uh tim says we randomly give oprah a pass yeah i actually she seems to be kind of hated by a lot of people yeah she does not have a pass for sure it's funny too though because like most of the billionaires in the world we don't even know their names the only ones we know we just like kind of hate because they're just in the public eye but there's a lot of billionaire billionaires out there that just kind of quietly make their money and we don't we don't give them a second

3:02:38Linus Sebastian:thought a lot even with the ones that are public like you pointed out larry uh he's just not like as public as someone like elon or basis um so that that's almost entirely i'm certain why you had that perspective um but there's a ton of them that just aren't public at all uh yeah

3:03:01Luke Lafreniere:this has generated a ton of conversation sydney broke it says a lot of the oprah hate is because she platformed a bunch of really awful stupid people that kind of makes sense but i guess if you had like a daytime show for that many years would you run out of like credible people to talk to i mean i never watched oprah interview anyone to be perfectly honest with you so i have no idea like does she just is she just positive with everybody about everything like i genuinely don't know i never had a reason to like watch the oprah winfrey show i don't know i just know about you get a car and you get a car like that's all i know yeah me too i don't necessarily agree

3:03:40Linus Sebastian:and you know i don't know the oprah situation here um and i know some of them are pretty brutal but I don't necessarily agree with the like, if you have a conversation with someone, you automatically condone everything that they say. I don't think if you interview someone, you automatically condone everything they say. Yeah, no, they're making some pretty good arguments in the chat.

3:04:00Luke Lafreniere:They're making some pretty good arguments in the chat. I don't know the ones they're talking about. Just like long-term promotion of people who literally have gone on the record saying they promoted quack medicine and no one should believe them anyway. And then they just keep doing it. Yeah. Like people like that.

3:04:15Linus Sebastian:And if she platforms that person multiple times, then it becomes a thing. I just think that like having a conversation one time, not necessarily automatically agreeing with everything, but having a conversation one time should not be frowned upon 100%. I think it's, there's some amount of like, if you're a content creator, and I'm including TV show hosts, I'm including literally anyone in the public eye, really. If you write things, say things, host things, whatever, that's public, your life is probably far more recorded than anyone else's. And if you took that same level of spyglass and looked at, like, any one of your random buddies, they probably have said and done dumb things as well.

3:05:01Linus Sebastian:So I think, like, the, oh, this one person said something that the internet disagreed with one time. And therefore, if you even look in their direction, you are automatically evil is like a stupid thing that we need to stop doing. That's fair.

3:05:14Luke Lafreniere:Whatever. So then I should get a gamer yacht. Is that the correct conclusion?

3:05:23Linus Sebastian:You should get a gamer something.

3:05:25Luke Lafreniere:Gamer something. How about a yacht?

3:05:28Linus Sebastian:Sorry, yatched.

3:05:30Luke Lafreniere:I pronounced it wrong the first time.

3:05:31Linus Sebastian:If it's a yatched and you exclusively call it a yatched, then I think so.

3:05:37Luke Lafreniere:Okay, we should... Dan, can you let the chat vote? GamerJet or GamerYacht? GamerSkiLift.

3:05:46Linus Sebastian:Are we assuming same price? GamerSkiLift would be pretty sick.

3:05:52Luke Lafreniere:GamerSkiLift, where would it go? Like, where would we put it?

3:05:56Linus Sebastian:You should work with, like, Seymour. If you could mount compute on the bottom of the seat, and then you can have arms like those airplane arms where the screen comes up yeah so you could

3:06:12Luke Lafreniere:like game on your way up the mountain we could get like oh we could we could use like adaptive controllers to make like special big glove compatible controllers so you don't have to take your gloves off yeah that'd be sick yeah pancrat says you could just mount everything to the safety bar. So you just pull it down.

3:06:31Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

3:06:33Luke Lafreniere:Ah? Ah? We could go between the buildings.

3:06:38Linus Sebastian:Yeah, the screens could go on the safety bar.

3:06:41Luke Lafreniere:How much does a ski lift cost? I bet there's one on Facebook Marketplace. Ski lift. We're going to find out. No way. I can buy a ski lift chair. That's it, though. Okay, I don't know if gaming ski lift is going to happen boys i don't think it's gonna happen i wonder if infinite cables could send us a giant wire rope

3:07:04Linus Sebastian:the reason why i said under the seat is because there'd be more weather protected that makes sense that makes sense having all of your stuff on the bars well i don't think you'd

3:07:15Luke Lafreniere:have the compute there but you could have the but you could have the monitor there yeah they make weatherproof displays that should be fine All right. Okay, where's the...

3:07:26Linus Sebastian:You won't get 100 % away from the weather regardless, but... Where's the pull? The seat would be the best.

3:07:31Luke Lafreniere:Where's my pull at? It's about 20 to 80 on the yacht. Well, where is it? Why don't I see it? You might have to refresh.

3:07:42Linus Sebastian:Pulls aren't 100 % functional at the moment.

3:07:45Luke Lafreniere:Ah, okay. So, sorry, which one's winning? Works on my machine. The yacht by 80 % to 20. The yacht's winning. Sorry, yacht. Oh, my mistake. Now we're going to be cancelled. I'm so sorry.

3:07:57Linus Sebastian:Yeah, you can't do it now. You can't do the yacht now because Dan called it a yacht. The rule was that it had to be referred to as Yacht.

3:08:05Luke Lafreniere:In other news, NVIDIA published a blog post on August 5th clearing up some concerns that people had about NVIDIA having kill switches or built-in controls to brick GPUs. They said NVIDIA GPUs do not and should not have kill switches and back doors. All right. I mean, that should probably be the bare minimum, but hey, at least they've taken a stand here. In other news, TikTok has a better app, TikTok Pro?

3:08:35Linus Sebastian:Yeah, how is this?

3:08:36Luke Lafreniere:I have no idea. So I literally made this a topic because I didn't understand the article that I read about it. So hopefully, Elijah has done a great job of summarizing it. TikTok is launching a new app in Germany, Portugal, and Spain called, wait for it, TikTok Pro. It features a new Sunshine program that allows users to contribute and support charitable organizations. Users earn virtual sunshine by inviting other users to join and interact with the charity-related content. They can then use this virtual sunshine on a charity, and then TikTok will donate toward that charity. yeah the look on your face says it all you have like a canyon running between your eyes and that was i'm pretty sure what i looked like um you're a wizard harry other than that tiktok i'm trying to figure out if you're talking about the furrow or the actual dent in my head at this point i'm not sure other than that tiktok pro is the exact same the content is the same and even the overall experiences the same mostly the same according to social media today it is missing live stream live streaming the tiktok shop and ads

3:09:59Luke Lafreniere:what is it because i when i heard tiktok pro i assumed it was like i assumed it was a paid version of the app because of some of the new laws in europe around like minors and or data collection or something. But then it... Virtual Sunshine? What is this? Am I missing something here?

3:10:23Linus Sebastian:Yeah, Elijah's point here is actually really good. Why do you think TikTok is doing this? Because on the surface, there seems like there's no downside as a user. No ads, no TikTok shop being shoved in your face, and it maintains all the core TikTok features other than live streams. But as far as my understanding, goes tiktok live streams just generally kind of suck anyways so i don't understand it

3:10:51Luke Lafreniere:seems weird okay so we have no additional clarity nope neat let's go to after dark okay did we only ever do one merch message earlier oh lordy there were a lot of merch messages today oh yeah uh cool i did not expect people to be so excited about stickers. Some people bought stuff just for the stickers. Dbrand's onto something. Oh, and also the stickers.

3:11:20Linus Sebastian:There's two lots of stickers. Lots of people buying stickers. about Elijah making a good point. No. No. Incorrect. False. Fake news. Our friends called me. Fake news just means

3:11:32Luke Lafreniere:it's real news, but it inconveniences me. The meaning of fake news has changed. That sounds like fake news.

3:11:40Linus Sebastian:It's not fake news then. It's just It's just lies. Yeah.

3:11:49Luke Lafreniere:Shall we begin? Yeah, anytime. I can make you purple. Oh my god. And I'll just take lift down.

3:12:00Linus Sebastian:There we go. Sorry, yeah, I'm in Vegas right now and I just looked outside to be like, is there purple lights? Because I don't know, I'm in Vegas. I can just open the windows more. and there's like horrifically drawn animated cats dancing on the sphere. Life is strange. Vegas moment. Yeah. I'm assuming it's a Defcon Vegas moment.

3:12:26Luke Lafreniere:Makes sense.

3:12:29Linus Sebastian:Anyways.

3:12:30Luke Lafreniere:Now you're purple. Oh, wow.

3:12:33Linus Sebastian:Nice. I like it. Whoa, Kate. It's... Wait, what?

3:12:37Luke Lafreniere:He's working on it. No, no, no. Dan's tuning it. there we go okay purple loop yeah don't overthink it hello big fan of your videos oh can you show us the cats oh my god oh it just changed okay wow tease if they come back then yeah i'll do it all right let's get through some of these hello big fan of your videos a large popular topic has always been how much vram or ram is required in current year but what about storage what would Would that be the minimum amount of storage to have in 2025? The reason that we don't really... The reason we don't provide like a minimum amount of storage recommendation is that it is completely up to you, the user, to decide.

3:13:18Luke Lafreniere:Realistically, for my work laptop, I could probably get by with like 256 gigs. I don't store anything on it. I don't keep games on it. I don't keep media on it because all of the resources that I need to access are either in the cloud or on a local network attached storage device. But that answer is not going to be good for anyone who does, say, for example, local video editing on their laptop. So only you can answer the question of how much storage you need. And there's no point in me even guessing because I have absolutely no way of knowing how much, you know, anime pornography you need in your life.

3:14:05You watch

3:14:06Luke Lafreniere:the WAN show, so I assume a lot. That's why we have a six petabyte NAS at work.

3:14:11Linus Sebastian:Yeah, it's for all of that.

3:14:13Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Man of culture. Hello, LDL. Any upcoming games that you're highly anticipating? Any old game that you want to get people to play at Whale Land? Oh! Oh, this is interesting! Carpoon launched. Dang it. Got it. Got it.

3:14:30Linus Sebastian:Got it.

3:14:35Luke Lafreniere:Why are you like this?

3:14:40Luke Lafreniere:So my bud, Tom Arnold, who goes by the developer handle, Tom Arnold, emailed the other night, letting us know that carpoon has finally launched it's a it's a parking it's a parking violation uh car chomping uh harpooning racing a chaos simulation engine um we we played it at the whaleland at ltx when it was still in very very much in in early development and he he messaged the other day to say it's now finally here carpoon you're a you're a tow truck with a harpoon and you you collect the you know the the things i actually haven't played it in quite a while these uh molten meteors are new so that seems like an exciting new mechanic for me to get to get to try out anyway it's finally up um there is shared and split screen pvp and co-op and i'm always a big fan of fun new couch multiplayer games and it's super affordable it's like four us dollars so basically if you want to try it out um the time that i've spent with it has been pretty fun but like i said it's been a while i've been waiting for it to be finished and it just came out yesterday so check it out carpoon on steam tom used to work with me at ncix he did the uh the silly like cartoon style uh banner imagery for our weekly sale among many many many other things we worked together uh pretty closely actually on a number of projects that i just wouldn't have been able to bring to life without his um his humor and his and his art style so um yeah super cool guy so if you guys want to check out carpoon now is as good a time as any oh there's one user review look at this user review already posted on the 8th of august a pleasant solo or co-op game harpoon and real mechanics are gratifying sound effects are rich soundtrack is catchy and fitting of the aesthetic at the time of launch 100 of the game's achievement list is swift and fun to discover which could make for a speedrun challenge the animations and circumstances these vehicles go through to be destroyed are delightfully hilarious could make for an all ages impromptu local remote experience within a competitive environment or as an icebreaker there you go thanks cloud and collected all right up next hey dll what is the most flagrant example of corruption you've seen in vancouver in montreal a developer offered me ten thousand dollars cash to get help circulating a pro development petition with elections upcoming oh man i don't know there's so much um vancouver's money laundering so it's gonna be hard to see um i there's a lot of yeah a former employee here uh i remember them telling me that a former uh provincial level politician used to walk into the shop that his mom worked at and very regularly regularly buy copious amounts of designer goods in cash um very regularly i think that's about as brazen and um out in the open as corruption can be because why on earth would you have that kind of cash hey dlo what are your thoughts on wealth flexing youtubers and their influence on kids do you worry kids will have an unrealistic expectation about money and how hard it is to get certain things i gotta be honest with you i sometimes worry about like wealthy influencers own kids having unrealistic expectations about money and how hard it is to get certain things we regularly will talk to our kids about how like mom and dad ran a successful company um you aren't necessarily getting everything that we acquired as an inheritance you need to have realistic expectations or you need to be ready to absolutely work your hiney off if you want to if you want to achieve you know the kind of success that you might want to achieve um i don't let my kids watch like flexi youtubers they're not on tiktok they're not on instagram uh they're not on facebook um and i do worry a lot that not just this generation i think our generation got kind of fucked up too to be perfectly blunt with you i mean um like i i remember the first time somebody pointed out to me that none of the friends have jobs that could possibly sustain the gigantic apartments they live in in new york and i was like oh yeah i guess that wouldn't make for like very good tv though little did they know that bob's burgers could be a thing a family about a a show about a scrappy family that doesn't have a lot of money just making things work um

3:20:09Linus Sebastian:yeah i mean i think chandler was the only one though right because chandler was weird because i think he was in like a microsoft ad at one point in time um no that was just as an actor microsoft ad no no no i think there was a friends based

3:20:24Luke Lafreniere:microsoft ad well jennifer aniston and uh and matthew perry were in an ad i think

3:20:30Linus Sebastian:no like i think it was friends based i think it means like in the show oh maybe yeah maybe

3:20:37Luke Lafreniere:so like that could kind of make sense but like just because you work in tv doesn't mean you're rich like the um the king of the hill reboot the actor who played um john redcorn the the father of bobby hill's best friend the like the the biological father he was he was recently um tragically murdered actually which um is a real downer so he actually is in the reboot but he won't live to see it air which is super sad um anyway i was i was reading about it because i saw the reboot was happening and then i saw that he passed and then i was looking around the circumstances he was like living in poverty so just because you're like a you know a tv actor or a voice actor or whatever like it's you read tons of stories about people who even had like regular parts on major shows like what was it the uh the comic book store owner in big bang theory like had to have a day job like very deep into the show's run or something like that i don't don't quote me on that one um it's exactly why my aunt started pal to support like artists who were probably both very famous and also very poor yeah uh porto says part of joey's plot was that he didn't have any money um and then yeah the the economics of seinfeld are super don't make any sense either like jerry i think as he becomes a very successful comedian in the show he becomes successful later on i think right but like everyone else what did they like what did they even do how did they have it how did kramer have money um velocette says people confuse fame with wealth yeah 100 i gotta show you this so i looked up the thing that i was talking about and i was

3:22:23Linus Sebastian:i was wrong um it was a windows 95 video guide featuring jennifer aniston and matthew perry yeah oh okay so it was what i said then yeah yeah okay then i want to show you this i'm going to send it to dan so you can put it up on screen sure look at this actually insane ad that i just got on youtube uh-oh

3:22:49Linus Sebastian:uh i i screenshot the whole thing but it's the one on the right above the ted talk with linus torvalds

3:23:00Luke Lafreniere:the one on the right and we know when you can see it cling ai unlocking ai's infinite possibilities so we have look at what they're suggesting two people and so we want to ship them but like think about how that why why do we need to do this like you have a picture of yourself

3:23:22Linus Sebastian:and you have a picture of like some girl or some boy or whatever yeah and you can turn that into a video of them making out yeah this generation is like screwed because think about think about

3:23:37Luke Lafreniere:being in high school like do you remember when we were in high school how quickly like this this guy made out with this girl would spread like wildfire without a video yeah

3:23:52Linus Sebastian:yeah it's also just like you know you know this is gonna happen to celebrities oh yeah there'll weird fanfic stuff yep or fan fan video fic like

3:24:09Linus Sebastian:that is a that and that ad is being served by youtube

3:24:15Luke Lafreniere:can we not

3:24:21Luke Lafreniere:speaking of youtube um hold on no i'm not i'm not done yet okay um we will dwell no i do i yes whether it's real or not real and and the blurred lines that are now existing between like the real influencer lifestyles and the fake ones um it or it's rather it's becoming easier to blur those lines like think about the like the super famous examples of this like tai lopez right with his with his garage full of knowledge right yeah how much easier it's going to be to to be a jones that other people are going to aspire to keep up with and that other people are going to compare themselves to and look at their own lives and try to figure out you know why it is that they're that they're not able to to live that lifestyle i mean the reality of it is that very few people drive a lamborghini like i don't remember the last time i saw one on the road because i don't live in like dubai like can you remember the last time you saw lambo on the road in langley i don't it happens

3:25:29Linus Sebastian:but it also feels like they're like passing through or honestly if i see one in langley i

3:25:34Luke Lafreniere:assume you rented it but like so much of what you see exactly is like rented or borrowed or i mean now ai generated like i just yeah i worry that just like our generation was set up for disappointment i worry the next generation is going to be set up for even more disappointment um and i had i had some people in

3:26:00Linus Sebastian:oh go ahead not just in lifestyle but also in um in like with the lifestyle you can afford but but also the lifestyle you will have socially because of the interactions you'll have with AI are not going to line up with the interactions you have with people.

3:26:14Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. I had some people chatting in the chat about like, chatting in the chat, imagine them doing that. I had some people in the chat talking about like, you know, how am I contributing to this? And I got to be honest with you guys. I don't think that my lifestyle is super realistic at this point.

3:26:41Luke Lafreniere:I don't know what you want me to do about it, though. Because either I don't talk about it at all, which I don't think you guys want me to not talk about my tech projects anymore. I don't think so. Or I fake it. like I don't yeah I don't know I don't know what to tell you

3:27:07Luke Lafreniere:like one of the things I want to do soon is set up the theater room for better voice comms for mixed in person couch and remote couch gaming I don't think that's a relatable problem but we're going to end up using some fun tools that people could have their own uses for it's going to be a really cool payoff where we can have like 10 gamers some of which are in person and some of which are remoted in all participating in like couch gaming together like it's it's it's going to be cool but like yeah no it's not it's not relatable at all

3:27:53Linus Sebastian:yeah sorry one second i'm having a problem on my end okay that explains it just just keep doing your stupid house tours uh

3:28:13Luke Lafreniere:yeah so yeah hathos i guess i maybe that's the balance is not showing off luxury for the sake of it um i mean one of the one of the big things for me that i think is so cool about technology is that the 115 inch tv that you know i'm unboxing today give it five years maybe 10 years maybe it'll be a long time but give it some period of time and that will make its way eventually if the trajectories continue to hold at least you know kind of it will be attainable right um that's something that i think is is really cool it's just been it's been hard to watch it be less true like it used to be that i could make a video about a cutting-edge gpu and like in a few years you know any just about anyone could get their hands on one you know second hand or whatever or the new generation you know mainstream would be on par with the old top of the line one just uh oh are we dead?

3:29:14Luke Lafreniere:checking

3:29:18Luke Lafreniere:wrong button Luke they said

3:29:26there was a

3:29:27Linus Sebastian:cloudflare blip earlier but it was a long time ago

3:29:32Luke Lafreniere:it's apparently going in and out alright sick

3:29:42Linus Sebastian:back you have okay

3:29:45Luke Lafreniere:let's do our next merch message sure thing good evening gentlemen Luke have you seen Paco the parrot on YouTube I believe this is the one that likes the LTT screwdriver is that right or is that a different parrot there's many parrots that like our screwdriver

3:30:03Linus Sebastian:uh no there's just many

3:30:05Luke Lafreniere:parrots on youtube nope i think it's a different oh wait no i can't i can't find the one that uh that likes the ltt screwdriver oh crap uh-oh build a pc hold on is it which one's that okay i swear i swear there's like i don't think this is the one there's a famous parrot okay yeah i'm not imagining this where is it no you're not i don't remember the name of that one there's a famous parrot that like used our screwdriver or something apollo that's right it's apollo okay no i don't know paco the parrot i know apollo yeah okay do you do you know paco the parrot uh yeah is it okay

3:30:51Linus Sebastian:if there is content good parrot has probably found it and shared it with me at some time okay is paco a quality parrot like uh i believe if we're talking about the same paco paco was a was a rescue or is yeah okay a rescue and like beat correction and and medical

3:31:12Luke Lafreniere:stuff thing which is cool oh yeah wow look at this look at this beak boys yeah whoopsie doodles

3:31:21Linus Sebastian:okay guys stop just posting like

3:31:27Luke Lafreniere:okay uh why did you curate this dan which one the next one uh no the parrot one because it was a question for luke oh okay should i not do that no no you do whatever oh i'm sorry hi lnd back into the hacksmith edc knife and wondered how it feels to have your bits be considered in their design are you aware of other products that have considered LTT in their design. I'm not aware of any others, but I'm also not aware of too many other creators that we vibe with as tight as James over at the Hacksmith. Super cool guy, and this looks like an absolutely incredible product. He's been in my DMs throughout the development of this thing, showing me some of the absolutely incredible work that they've done.

3:32:20Luke Lafreniere:I think it just went live on Kickstarter like a few days ago or something like that. This is a great time. If there was someone who's Kickstarter I would be willing to promote, it would be Hacksmith. They will absolutely deliver this if their history is anything to go by. And it looks freaking incredible. Just built. Absolutely built.

3:32:48Linus Sebastian:Here's a question for you.

3:32:51Luke Lafreniere:why why kickstarter i don't know i legitimately don't know i think i think kickstarter does offer 100 deals to um maybe not 100 but they offer extremely high revenue share deals from my understanding i this is all hearsay i i have had no dealings with kickstarter whatsoever james hasn't talked to me about why kickstarter at all i was going to ask him i haven't yet i I don't know anything. I'm coming from a place of complete ignorance.

3:33:23Luke Lafreniere:Luke also doesn't know. I have no idea. So my understanding is that for marketing, for Kickstarter, the platform, they will offer better revenue shares to products that can get the word out more about Kickstarter, where there's a mutual marketing benefit for the platform itself. And then they also, Kickstarter is a powerful tool. we've never used it but there have been times that i've been tempted just to just in many cases to figure out like what the market is for a product so you just like don't bother making it if not enough people uh if not enough people back it and then you just refund the money and you're like okay well i'm glad we found that out before we invested in a bunch of molds and tooling right um yeah so i would guess just that they're helping amplify it and he's uh and they're getting some benefit from the association with haxmith and um i it wouldn't be for me to share but i think he's doing pretty good on the project so far so um well i mean you

3:34:24Linus Sebastian:can see on kickstarter that it's raised four and a half million oh yeah they're okay it's public then cool yep yeah so i think i think he's doing pretty good yep yeah he's doing okay yeah i guess

3:34:35Luke Lafreniere:i'm in america right now so mine's showing usd yep and uh and and look look at it go so uh yeah

3:34:41Linus Sebastian:That makes sense why the pledge goal is so weird. The pledge goal was$181 ,957. And I was like, what the heck? And it's because Hacksmith's Canadian. You better believe it, buddy. I'm not your buddy, friend. Honestly, this might be a weird take. I don't know. I am interested in this. I would wait for it to not be on Kickstarter anymore. and like for myself because i might look into getting one of these um i would wait for it to not be i'm going to wait for it to not be on kickstarter anymore and my reason for it is just because i don't want to deal with the like like one of my problems with kickstarter forever is you have to interact on kickstarter to get your thing right um so like i'm gonna have to come back to kickstart at some point to get it and i might just like not do that

3:35:42Luke Lafreniere:you can just tell us you're traumatized by the cold bar like you could just say that i am

3:35:46Linus Sebastian:you could just say that it doesn't update it you don't have to say so many words you could just say because i'm traumatized from the cold bar i will go look here i'm gonna go look one last time oh no there's no way there's no way there's an update sir there's absolutely no way i agree but i'm gonna go just for the people because they ask me all the time and it's been well over a year i think i think it's been a long time so this is this is the this is the last one if there's no update we're never looking again um all right we're logging in oh my god okay dan do you want

3:36:27Luke Lafreniere:want to do a merch message in the meantime then sure sending this oh no like i'm logged in now oh okay all right all right because i did um okay i gotta scroll and find it

3:36:42Linus Sebastian:scroll past all these unsuccessful projects okay here it is coal bar hammer updates 2022 yeah never happening sorry buddy okay dan hit me sending this from a plane love the wan

3:37:02Luke Lafreniere:backpack more than worth its price nice when designing the backpack what made you go with the internal bottle holder i was skeptical at first but it works great um i had lost water bottles before having an external holder basically i i i used my backpack for travel a lot and wanted to continue to use it for travel and as you probably noticed if you really stuff it the the the og backpack is exactly the size that'll like fit under the chair in front of you on most flights although things have gotten smaller since we released it um and i wanted some flights it doesn't work for yeah there's a handful of like small regional airlines that have planes seats that are so low profile that it's hard to get it under um wow and so i wanted something that was self-contained and nothing could fall out of and everything zipped up and could be stuffed under somewhere and nothing would fall out down there and then you have to like bend down under the seat and try and dig stuff out um that was the original that was the original goal and then also if you like didn't want to use that it would just kind of tuck out of the way and you could just stuff it full of stuff we got so much feedback that people liked exterior water bottle holders that we did do an exterior bottle holder on the commuter but that's again you know a product that has a very different intent it's more of like a like a day-to-day commuter it's not for like tucking into places and and not wanting to worry about things falling out of it where in the world did you get this many e-waste cpus any other recycled products that you can tease we actually have to buy them which is i mean you know because people use them to recover the minerals right so that's part of why it's so expensive the good news though is none of this prevents anybody in the future from harvesting the gold from it we're just temporarily turning it from garbage into a toy for a while you know that's the most we can that's the most we can really do you know I think that's the goal for all of us Pankrats Turning it into a toy Get it?

3:39:12Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, thanks Pankrats Love all you guys At Linus How do you go about teaching other parents About online safety and parental controls? I don't Dude, I Ain't nobody got time for that Have you ever tried to Okay, okay First of all First of all Okay First of all

3:39:34Luke Lafreniere:have you ever met another parent who wants to be told how to parent even when they ask for advice have you ever met anyone who really wanted to hear it all right

3:39:51Luke Lafreniere:mr tech tips you mentioned you bought five pairs of badminton shoes since they're all essentially consumables do you wear them evenly or do you use one until it's worn out before using a new pair yes i've tried it both ways i think i i think i like the i generally have two active ones is what i've kind of settled on so that gives me um that allows me to take two pairs of shoes to like a tournament because nothing nothing destroys your feet faster than just being in like soggy shoes like all day um so it gives me one to change into but if i have too many active ones, then basically I have them out in the open, turning the soles hard, like with UV exposure, more than I have to.

3:40:34Luke Lafreniere:So I should only have like two active at a time is what I've settled on. Hi, LLD. I got a Zenbook Duo for University after your first look video. It's great. My question, did anyone actually daily drive the 2024 model? And why is there no full review for the 2024 or 2025 versions um it's a good question i mean i think part of it is that it's so oh there's such iterative progress in the laptop space that the excitement level around a 2025 model um if anyone even knows what it is like a zenbook duo that's the that's the the dual screen one if i recall correctly like it's asus's product lineup is so wide that you have no hope of covering all of them and then the refreshes are so many and so confusingly named that it's hard to it's hard to know what to cover and it's hard for people to know what they even feel like clicking on that's where i think something like the labs is realistically the right answer where just every new laptop that comes out it rolls into the lab we like run the whole suite of testing on it and then we can figure out without having to just like guess which ones are actually worth making a video about that's that's the overall vision for how the labs will work in the long term it's going to take a long time though luke as in if i don't use my muscles and stay active i get sad person as well i find it hard to find time to relax and rest i know you also like the grind what helps you relax and feel better grinding hard hard grinder there i answered it for him he's something of a grinder enthusiast note that earlier i said that i'm not gay i didn't say anything about luke

3:42:29Linus Sebastian:uh you never said the chicken only worked on women are things that are very not recommended to do to relax like the the games that i tend to like playing are like tarkov and stuff which is

3:42:42Luke Lafreniere:just like that's not relaxing that's like actually enragifying yeah which is the things that i tend to do i don't i don't have good advice here sorry i wish i did i should probably work on that um

3:42:57Linus Sebastian:it's like almost certainly a flaw uh stressed management is don't

3:43:04Luke Lafreniere:what yeah let's not take advice from luke no i'm kind of that's where i'm going that's where I'm going with this.

3:43:11Linus Sebastian:Maybe the wrong person asked for advice here. I appreciate that you asked and thought that I would have good advice here. But yeah, I tend to just like pile on more. It's probably bad. I probably have cortisol issues. It might be why I can't sleep properly. But you know, we'll get there. We'll figure it out. One thing at a time.

3:43:28Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I know. I saw episode one of the new season. I haven't seen the second yet, though. I'm very excited about it, though. Because if there's anyone who deserves to be lampooned, it's someone who puts down dogs for no reason. people who are mean to dogs how is that how that became controversial at all is wild to me wait that became controversial apparently depends who you ask

3:43:56Luke Lafreniere:m dos says that's my secret i'm always stressed yeah pretty much it's a it's an avengers reference i i don't know if you watched that one did you watch that one no but everyone knows that reference i have not watched elijah doesn't elijah doesn't know any references he actually does know more now i feel like he plays it up i hope he plays it up i hope he plays it up all right what's next hey l dan sandwich linus working nights so i didn't see you but i saw dad old's go-kart selfie did you intend to make the meme face or did you just have resting meme face i just had resting meme face uh i went to i went to the go-karts at uh west edmonton mall and apparently someone saw me on the leaderboard there um not high on it it's just to be very clear uh we raced at junior speeds because we i had uh i was in the dual cart with one of my kids not that i would have been on the leaderboard even in a single cart i want to make that clear as well um but i was like especially not fast because i was going at half maximum speed fun fun track um even at half speed it was it was it was really fun um it was dual level right yeah but no the mean face is just what i look like unfortunately oh i have a flex too jake and i came fourth and fifth at the open sauce um sim racing leaderboard oh that's pretty sick which was kind of insane uh it was like a tenth slower than him i meant that meant quick class of 2004 here finishing my degree linus did you ever consider finishing your degree or getting a two or four year would you encourage your kids 24 sorry

3:45:45Linus Sebastian:class of 2004 class of 2004 yeah finishing degree yeah no no class of 2004 so same age as me

3:45:55Luke Lafreniere:just now finishing their degree. Like they went back. Anyway, sorry. Carry on, Dan, before you were so rudely interrupted. No, that's okay. I'm used to it from you. Getting a two to four year education. Would you encourage your kids to pursue education or work experience after high school? I would. You've taught Luke well, by the way. I would encourage them to pursue education or work experience after high school.

3:46:23um i i don't think school was the right place for me um i thrive in the i thrive i actually

3:46:37Luke Lafreniere:i didn't just survive i thrived in the more guided high school experience the more hand university self-guided experience i have a really hard time motivating myself to learn stuff that i don't already care about which is a real challenge for me see with computers it's easy because i already care about it so that's why it was easy to just like learn stuff and make videos about it and then i learned to care about making videos i guess so i don't know i absorb some stuff that i don't really care about but i but then i start to care about it and then i learn more of it i don't know i um i don't necessarily think that for my career um i would benefit that much from going back for a degree but i could see myself doing something like ever since we brought up the uh honestly not even okay so i was about to say ever since we found those kit planes remember that those uh that was a few when shows ago we discovered that you can like you can like buy the parts of an airplane and assemble it yourself but even before that like when we were talking about that gamer jet i was like man how cool would it be to get like a like a again this is all relatively speaking no one should necessarily look at my lifestyle and think oh well that's you know normal um but a relatively affordable jet how cool would it be to like learn to fly it like if i if i was if i was down to do pilot training would you do it because i think we've

3:48:11Linus Sebastian:talked about this before jet level pilot training is really expensive well you have to do you have

3:48:17Luke Lafreniere:to do regular pilot training before you do any jet level pilot training regular pilot training

3:48:21Linus Sebastian:i would be interested in it's very it's very cool that'd be super cool interesting yeah i'm i'm definitely i'm definitely open to the idea yeah i wanted to do that like since i think we probably first talked about that like 2012 yeah that's been something i've been interested in for in

3:48:38Luke Lafreniere:like forever yeah so like i don't know like i i think i'd be more likely to do a really cool certification like get like a dive master certification yeah or get like a pilot certification or get like i think i'd be i'd want to like certify to do cool stuff rather than

3:48:55Linus Sebastian:rather than go back to academia i think that makes a lot more sense like for me and not for everybody

3:49:02Luke Lafreniere:Like, I don't think my advice to all of my kids would be the same, even. I think, because not everybody's the same. For some of them, I think that academics makes a ton of sense. And for others, I think they should pursue other endeavors. And I'm not going to get into anything specific, because that's a little personal in terms of, like, the information about my various children. I don't mind talking about, like, collectively them, but I don't like to get into the individual specifics. but yeah no i don't think i would say the same thing to any of my three i mean that's what i suspect that's probably true for most just groups of people in general i don't know it seems to be especially i don't think that's too weird to say the preschool teacher who is the one teacher who had all three of them the first thing she said to me when i picked up my youngest after her like second or third day or something like that and remember this is someone who literally interacts with small children for a living.

3:50:02Luke Lafreniere:She kind of hands her off to me and she goes, boy, you sure got a variety pack, didn't you?

3:50:09Luke Lafreniere:We really did.

3:50:17Luke Lafreniere:Up next. Yeah. Yeah. Linus, did you like working and growing up on a hobby farm? What do you think? What would you think if you had to work on it as an adult? well it was a hobby farm so i didn't really like work on a farm like i did farm like work quite often you know scooping horse poop and and you know filling potholes on the gravel driveway and you know getting eggs and washing eggs and like i did a lot of like farmy type stuff but i didn't like you know rise at the crack of dawn and and work the fields and stuff um

3:50:57i it's tough

3:51:00Luke Lafreniere:i feel like my kids are missing out in a big way by me not providing that um that upbringing for them but i really really really really really really really don't want to do it anymore as an adult i don't actually like just like i don't even want a dog at this point like the the amount of your life that is dictated by the schedule of animal care is not something that is really compatible with running a hundred plus person company

3:51:42Luke Lafreniere:unless you are hiring people to care for said animals in which case that's not a hobby farm anymore that's now a commercial farm and you're basically asking me why i don't just pull a jeremy clarkson which who knows i might someday but it is not this day linus with how much the samsung fold has improved with the fold seven okay hold on a second okay yes i have a lot of cats but cats are not a ton of work i don't think you have enough cats exactly like cats are fine as long as the cats are all getting along and as long as they all just like are able to handle the concept of just leaving food and water out and they just eat when they're hungry and drink when they're thirsty like dude we have litter robots we went away for four days almost and they were fine we came home and they greeted us at the door and they had each other for company while we were gone cats are so easy so easy okay sorry carry on with how much the samsung fold has improved the fold 7 compared to the one you drowned years ago and pixel fold being really good as well do you see yourself daily driving a foldable again yes fold 7 is going to be my next phone after i do graphene os or i might actually skip right to the fold because people keep bringing it up today and i'm genuinely very excited to use it and then do graphene os after where is the farthest you've traveled for a tech product either to buy or to view and what was said product farthest i've traveled to view i went to this isn't necessarily further

3:53:19Linus Sebastian:um but it's a more difficult trip i went to china for a microsoft surface launch way back in the day 2017 i think

3:53:32Luke Lafreniere:you know what i think china is probably the farthest i've ever gone to uh oh maybe not i mean that renault thing that i did in paris is what's farther from here shenzhen or paris dan do you know mapping

3:53:55Linus Sebastian:if that's the case if germany's farther then it would be germany to see cherry yeah

3:54:05Luke Lafreniere:yeah i think does it count if it's professionally though or would it have to be personally for this

3:54:10Linus Sebastian:question like to buy something they said buy or view who would who would go to who would travel

3:54:16Luke Lafreniere:to view a product that they're not buying i'm gonna i'm gonna go with profession i'm gonna go with buy and the farthest i ever went to buy something was to taiwan to buy the gold gpu the the the thing that i laid out in the video was the truth i i couldn't get it sent here um it had to be transferred um from like the the middle eastern region to like through hq and i I was able to buy it through like an intermediary basically. So that was the farthest I ever went to buy something. And then I ended up giving it away, which I had, I genuinely did not intend to do. It was James who, it wasn't that he twisted my arm.

3:54:57Luke Lafreniere:It was that he pitched me a content idea. I couldn't resist. And I was like, ah, now I have to do it. Cause I was going to just keep it. And I was going to build like a sick, like, like black and gold, because we have a bunch of gold fittings kicking around. I was going to redo my machine all black and gold with the Astral GPU. And then the stupidest part was that I was going to have to remove the gold cooler in order to water cool it. So I was going to get a block and then I was going to gold plate it or something. It was going to be a whole thing. But I'm really happy with how that video turned out and really happy with the person who happened to come across us and win it this year.

3:55:37Luke Lafreniere:So I'm glad we did it. that's all i got what's farther dan that's about 6 500 miles to shenzhen and about 5 000 to paris okay so then the answer is china for both of us then luke so the farthest i went to look at something as probably shenzhen's a little further than taipei right i think it's a little further I legitimately this title is 100 % true I flew all the way to China just so I could try this

3:56:16alright

3:56:17Luke Lafreniere:and I saw Robot Yao Ming nice that apparently is actual size but he cheated he's on a thing yeah so this was to see the OG badminton robot

3:56:32Linus Sebastian:I am not going to let you see the sphere before we go. Some people point out a very obvious and good point that I would have normally caught, but definitely didn't, which is that if I show you the sphere, you can figure out where I am. There are 24-7 live streams of the sphere. And if you go back to that point in the WAN show, you could see the cats that I was talking about. So there you go.

3:56:53Luke Lafreniere:It ended up not being as impressive as I'd hoped. The sphere? No, the badminton robot that I'm showing the audience. was it like not good uh it's not that it's not good it's just that i i don't know i just i thought it would be better like i to make it look as good as it did in the other videos they had to really like try whereas like i tried to push it a little bit and it crumbled immediately failed oh do you gotta go okay see you again next week same bad time same bad time i needed to for hours Okay, bye. Alright, bye, Luke. Have a good weekend. Thank you, YouTube. Thank you.