Microsoft Gives Up On The Copilot Key - WAN Show May 22, 2026

23:32Luke Lafreniere:I think Apple tried really hard to make a whole tether to a thing in your pocket paradigm work if apple couldn't make it work

23:41Linus Sebastian:i wish google luck our vision from 2013 will happen eventually oh the backpack no you and i were talking about how compute for smart devices like watches and glasses and stuff like that should be a compute puck in your pocket oh like all your different wearables and whatnot could could communicate with and stuff that we used to talk about that in the garage

24:02Luke Lafreniere:and there's no real reason why you couldn't if you if you do because um like i've been playing around with those metaglasses still a little bit and the resolution is pretty low the latency doesn't really matter i'm not i'm not gaming on it right so so the as long as we could get the power consumption of video transmission down then there's no good reason to have the compute on my on my face why would i do that the compute should just be the computer that i'm already holding yeah and then it should just do video transmission it'd be way better for battery life it would be way better for the power of that device because like i wouldn't want to wear this

24:40Linus Sebastian:on my head yeah i know yeah gilmore d said like your watch would be a dummy terminal it's like

24:45Luke Lafreniere:yeah yeah yeah yeah probably it probably should be already yeah like this is so inconvenient

24:52Linus Sebastian:it you're pretty good at balancing it though thank you good job thank you it's my one talent

25:02Linus Sebastian:oh that's your one talent not catching it

25:06Luke Lafreniere:it would have been so cool if i did catch it though it would have been pretty cool that would

25:10Linus Sebastian:never happen i don't think the and this makes me sad uh although it's not like that much better having google do it if if it is at all it might be worse uh but i don't think the google glasses look as good as the meta ones.

25:28You know what?

25:29Luke Lafreniere:That's my last attempt at that. Google Search is getting more AI integration. It's been changed to be better at natural language prompts, creating a simpler user experience. So search agents will also be able to monitor 24-7 for specific information to track changes like stock market movements or even shopping listings for price drops. and then uh there we're also going to have agentic coding in search so google search will create small applets that could make visualizations for instance to help a user understand a certain topic they also plan on letting users create apps and dashboards within search why because you can this is another one that i actually was like watching the demos for and i was like that looks really cool if only i could trust it like it they they they generated this like thing to explain gravity waves and i was like wow that looks really cool if only i believed that that visualization was accurate then this would be the neatest thing ever but then i didn't and so and to like verify that it is you'd have to go look up someone else who did it already who you trust yeah yeah and like i i get the argument that you know they have to build all this stuff now so that when the ai gets a little bit better and is more trustworthy they'll already have the tools and the interface all figured out and it's going to be great but with so much of the data ingestation we're so far from that being potentially snake eating its own tail ai generated slop i just i don't know how we're going to reach accurate ai and i'd i'd love to be wrong about that honestly i i would like the promise of ai is often on full display for me where i'll like use it for something and i'll go whoa this is 98 of what i wanted it to be and and but it's just that that last it's it's like self-driving where that last couple percent is really really hard i also don't think we're on

27:42Linus Sebastian:the right path to solve that and i'm not the only one that feels that way as long as you're doing

27:47Luke Lafreniere:predictive text no you just think llms are a dead end yeah well i mean well a dead end to like the

27:54Linus Sebastian:path to agi like the path to a truly useful intelligent i think they'll be a part of the equation in the end but like so what would i don't think it's i don't think this is like oh we can just keep walking in this exactly straight line and we'll get there like i don't i don't think

28:09Luke Lafreniere:So are you thinking it's more along the lines of organic chips where they're built of actual neurons?

28:15Linus Sebastian:There's some spooky stuff going on there right now. Oh, I know. I know it. I honestly don't know, but I just think the fundamental idea of predicting the next thing is not going to get us to AGI.

28:33We'll see.

28:35Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, sorry, I'm just thinking.

28:36Linus Sebastian:I'm also not an AGI researcher and effectively know nothing, so we'll see how it goes. Yeah, there it is. Nice. I was on it. I was on it, too. Something that we do know about is that Apple do be good at setting the market pace. Asus and HP unveil wildcat lake laptops starting at$449 to rival Apple's MacBook Neo. The first wave of those laptops is launching in China, where OEMs like Asus, HP, and Honor are rolling out some models before they're expected to become available globally. These thin and light laptops are aimed squarely at the budget and mainstream laptop market, seemingly in an attempt to make Windows laptops feel more like MacBook Neo, especially considering their$450 to$700 price range.

29:25Several of these new Windows laptops feature 16 gigs of RAM and 512 gigs of storage.

29:34Linus Sebastian:Both of these specs are twice what's seen in the MacBook Neo, more RAM than any MacBook Neo is available with. Intel's project Firefly is a push to standardize and simplify laptop design across its ecosystem, pairing Wildcat Lake chips with a shared blueprint. So OEMs can build low-cost laptops at scale. Intel is leaning heavily on China's mature smartphone-style supply chain with modular components, unified layouts, and early manufacturing partnerships, enabling the creation of these affordable laptops that should compete with Apple's entry-level MacBook segment. However, it is worth noting that Intel is reportedly pushing PC manufacturers in the U.S., China, and Taiwan to adopt its more expensive new 18A-based processors instead of the cheaper Intel 7-based Alder Lake, Raptor Lake, and Arrow Lake CPUs.

30:29Linus Sebastian:I don't think that, if I can just throw a bet out there of$0, I don't think these are going to pass the MacBook Neo sniff test. They sound like they're coming in cheaper and with some better specs, so they'll win people over. But you pick up the Neo and your jaw drops because you're like, there's no way they made something this nice for this much money is not going to land with these. I can almost guarantee. There's no way they're doing the aluminum body stuff that Apple did. I don't believe it. They're going to be plastic. You're going to grab it like this and do that, and it's going to bend like a sheet of paper.

31:14also windows is just like hungrier than mac so i think a lot of mac people will hear that oh okay

31:19Linus Sebastian:it has way more ram and they'll be like that's pretty cool i'd like to have more ram mine's fine

31:23Luke Lafreniere:though i am aware of one that has not been announced yet okay that looks like the build I haven't seen it in person yet. But I'm aware of one. Whoops. I'm aware of one, but I haven't seen it in person yet. That could be looking like maybe the build quality nice. What a sentence. However, however, price, not Neo. But good. Oh, okay. Close. Okay. and rem more so basically what i'm trying to say is i think it's going to be a little bit more complicated at the very least i think it's going to be a little bit more complicated than neo wins forever but we we

32:23Linus Sebastian:had we had to know that was going to happen and if these are like the cheaper ones because this is actually decently cheaper oh yeah so if these are the cheaper ones and they're and then there's that one which is more expensive yeah but similar build quality and better components then that's cool because now there's a range and you can kind of pick within it and what we what we know for

32:42Luke Lafreniere:sure what what we can say with absolute certainty is that the neo made the rest of the industry react and that the rest of the industry could have built higher quality laptops for this price before and didn't because they didn't have pressure from Apple. So I'm going to do something that I only do every once in a while, and I'm going to say thank you, Apple. Thanks, Apple. Thank you very much. Appreciate it, Apple. For kind of like you did with HDR displays on tablets and high refresh rate displays on portable electronics and high DPI displays and metal chassis and all the other cool, fun colors.

33:31Luke Lafreniere:Shout out one of our sponsors for the show that we're going to talk about later with this cool transparent purple battery bank. Thank you for pushing the industry to do the things that they could have done if only you gave them a reason.

33:47Linus Sebastian:When the price of just everything is just skyrocketing. To do this was a surprise and a welcome one.

33:56Luke Lafreniere:dude ivan wants a new laptop yeah no no no okay there's no way she's gonna go oh she is like going through it with her iphone right now she apparently at some point enabled uh like a data saving feature on her iphone that leaves your full quality files in icloud and then only um Low quality, low proxies. And then did not have at any point anything other than a free iCloud subscription. And so now she has lost months of high quality photos. She has now been to the Apple store twice over the last few days. And as far as we can tell, only the low quality proxies exist. but neither of us can figure out exactly how this came to be because she's only ever had a free five gig tier so the only thing it should ever have been able to back up is whatever it backed up and other than what it backed up it should only have been able to it should have kept everything else local to the device because it wouldn't have been able to back it up so i i'm not yeah Yeah, Eel Belred says, what?

35:16Luke Lafreniere:That should never have happened. Yeah, it shouldn't have. And it's possible that there's some user error in here. I haven't been paying attention to exactly what she's been doing. But there's a few things. So one is I've sent her off to kind of figure this out with Apple because I'm not an Apple ecosystem expert. I don't know it that well. And this is one of those times when I'm grateful that the Genius Bar exists, maybe, hopefully. I don't know. I don't know what they're going to be able to resolve. But the other thing that it has sprung me into action on is getting image set up once and for all.

35:56Luke Lafreniere:Because we got it kind of like half set up last time, but it was like kind of a hassle, and then it like kind of broke and stuff. But now HexOS has like a one-touch, not one-touch, but like an easy install, easy setup for image that Nate actually used during his AMD Ultimate Tech Upgrade. and it i couldn't believe how easy it was after having gone through setting it up before the hard way on true nas i was like this is insane how easy this was i think i think some more content on like containerized hosting could be interesting i don't know how you make it entertaining enough

36:34Linus Sebastian:for an l3 video but i think we can i mean containerized hosting is like very approachable these days and really cool um here's a um

36:55Luke Lafreniere:this video paying for cloud storage is stupid we just we did a fun we did a fun intro with riley where an old guy is watching tv and it's a viral grab and smash uh old people are breaking in young people's phones oh no and then hey billy you know whatever anyway um the point is

37:21Linus Sebastian:the point is we that's what we do i never knew elijah and a spinner hat existed and now i need

37:27Luke Lafreniere:more elijah and a spinner hat in my life we put an entertaining package around something as boring as building your own naz yeah um and yeah i think i think we can i think we could totally put some some lipstick on that lecture yeah yeah i just i think that would be pretty cool because it's like actually really interesting right now and i think that would be an interesting way to uh introduce

37:49Linus Sebastian:because i don't think we've done any mainline videos on it introduce um like local hosting llms

37:54Luke Lafreniere:um you know yeah yeah we had a conversation about that during writers meeting as well actually it's supposed to be a topic for when show today so why don't we just what are we supposed to be

38:04Linus Sebastian:talking about we actually had a really good segue to plex because you were just talking about um

38:09Luke Lafreniere:we did and we also had a really good segue to um another thing earlier that we just didn't take so i don't know whatever good luck everybody throwing segues uh no let's let's talk about local hosting llms sure so uh nick harris that's one of the things that he did for his amd ultimate tech upgrade and when i kind of grilled him like i didn't even just ask i was like no but like what are you going to do with it his answer was basically um i don't know automate lights and stuff and ask it questions and and but then also like some some more like like google home like google assistant t stuff um and that's cool but it's one of those things that we don't really need to i don't we don't really it's not something that i personally we need is what is i guess what i think i think the thing for me is local hosting containerized

39:07Linus Sebastian:ai stuff is learning how to do it no no that's the people know how to do it then they can and the problem right now is that there has never been a richer environment for harvesting the the like essence of who you are than interacting with llms yeah no no i know but hold on hold on i'm going

39:23Luke Lafreniere:somewhere with this so so what i want to know guys is what are you using it for because that's that's part of the packaging what for llms what are you using your locally hosted llms for um i know pewdiepie did a video recently where he like made a locally hosted llm to help him with like coding and stuff like that that was a lot of them that was pretty cool um but like what are you guys like what are specifically you guys using your locally hosted llms and and ai containers for

39:56Linus Sebastian:he used it to write an I think it was an add-on for his browser that like fixed YouTube for him which kind of brought back the subscription feed and got rid of shorts and did lots of other kind of stuff I believe that was his local AI that did that so there's cool stuff my answer would be kind of probably annoying which would be all of the same stuff that I use public models for like i've talked about sentiment checks sentiment analysis sure um idea brainstorming for things i don't i don't again i don't tend to use its output but i will use it to help me get to a point where i am now generating good output because often like trying to start a project or start an idea or kick off something there's a lot of um i don't know how you would describe the time but like things akin to writer's block where you're just sitting there trying to Get your brain to slam through whatever the thing you're dealing with.

40:53Linus Sebastian:So if I can be like, okay, what are the basics of this concept that I'm trying to figure out? It can lay those basics out. And then I can go find YouTube videos or papers or whatever resources to dive off from there. I find that really useful. Yeah, paralysis over analysis. Yeah, I'd rather just start cooking on things. And I'm not going to treat the AI output as the be-all and-all, but I can definitely treat it as a start.

41:18Luke Lafreniere:um yeah okay we've got a few uh we've got a few interesting ones uh so home assistant that's a kind of relatively obvious one and i think that's very related to what like nick harris was doing

41:29Linus Sebastian:i think another really good one which is the use case we're exploring right now is like if you have a really big task that you could use it to do that you could uh that it could help you with that doing that in the cloud would be very expensive because it's a lot of work but it's not technically super difficult so like the the the fact that most local models are not as advanced as as certain things that you could get into the cloud especially with really expensive subscriptions isn't gonna be a problem necessarily because this is definitely a task within its capabilities you would just need to spend a bunch of money doing it in the cloud you can use your local hardware to do that you're not spending proportionally more uh there's a few good

42:09Luke Lafreniere:ones uh translating or subtitling media libraries is one that chat uh threw at us bible study is one that chat threw at us uh running discord bots uh discord bots to do what what do you guys want to do with them so like there's so much yeah yeah but what like i i want to i want to get

42:28Linus Sebastian:specific let's get specific time management i know some people do that they'll have a a like a sign up form like say say i know you used to play left for dead with the with the with the buys yeah Yeah. You could have a thing that's like, hey, I want to play Thursday at 7. Here's a sign-up. We need eight people. First eight people to sign up, click on this thing. And it registers them. And people can sign up as tentative or whatever else. I know that's a thing that exists. There's Discord bots for verifying users. There's Discord bots for auto-moderator stuff. Damn, right? there's there's music bots i'm sure you could make one of those all right what else do you guys if we're being completely honest a bunch of people have said in the chat uh they seem to be more comfortable with ai waifu type situations if they are locally hosted gooning yeah okay got it

43:26Luke Lafreniere:enterprise resource planning actually yes yes if you want to linux iso it yep yep we are using locally hosted llms to pull confidential corporate information out of documents so document search uh that one we had on our list already uh using it to update file names on linux isos so mass uh file management okay that's interesting terrifying um

44:03Linus Sebastian:I have perfectly organized your system. There is nothing there anymore. Therefore, there is no clutter.

44:09Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. I mean, that's what a backup, I guess, could be. Yeah, yeah. I deleted them, too.

44:16Linus Sebastian:Your backup is gone.

44:20Man.

44:21Luke Lafreniere:Slayer says I'm messing around with him to eventually replace Alexa. See, this is a funny thing, because in some ways, I'm a tech enthusiast, but in other ways i'm like so far behind the times i don't use alexa for anything and have

44:34Linus Sebastian:never felt like i had a reason to use alexa i've never been okay with it but i have been legitimately thinking of revitalizing an old project that i had that i was talking to wendell about years ago where i was going to try to effectively build my own locally and now it's like way easier and i know people that have done it like it's it's before it was like really hard and i was struggling and i eventually gave up and now there's i know multiple people that have done their own but to do what What do you want your Alexa to do? All of the things Alexa can do now is you can automate things. You can do voice control stuff for doing the light controls.

45:07Linus Sebastian:It keeps coming back to light control. House automation. You could do it for... How much light control do I need in my life? You could do it for call. Basically, you would use Alexa or whatever you want to call this, Jarvis or whatever, to call other pre-existing methods. So if you had like, you could use it to use something else that you had set up that creates calendar events or something. You give them tools, right? Yeah, exactly. So it itself isn't really a thing. It calls other tools for you that aren't necessarily voice controlled. Okay. Set up calendar events, order something.

45:44Luke Lafreniere:Blah, blah, blah, blah, calendar event. I mean, is that really more convenient? Order something that way. That I can't do. i mean oh man would i even want to what would i and and may again maybe this is just me being like uh me me being a little old-fashioned here just just slight just slightly old-fashioned if you can't sit down and what would i want to order on like with my voice tell me something that i want to order with my voice the last thing i ordered online was a servo for a uh for an rc

46:19Linus Sebastian:boat that burned out my thing like i'm just trying my thing is if it's fully local yeah um and i can really secure it somehow which needs more exploration um but can i if i can feed it everything about me basically yeah i'm walking around the kitchen can i ask like what do i need to do in the next four hours and if it can respond over speakers and i can be like doing other things that's useful it seems pretty useful but the problem is i would need to feed everything into this thing yeah so it becomes a security nightmare which is the exact same reason why i have never been down to do it with any open stuff yeah and then if i am feeding everything into it how is that happening without it being connected to the internet i do think there's ways i've thought of ways a cup a few different ways but they're all kind of whack and sound like a lot of work which is why it doesn't exist yet but it is possible the people that i know of that have done this

47:16Luke Lafreniere:are they're just all connected to the internet i mean i i think that's probably to be the most useful version of itself it can be i think that's kind of gonna probably be a thing um one that uh that i thought of a little while ago is um yvonne used to use this uh reading app called dream where you like buy additional you buy books chapter at a time um with like credits so you end up spending like obscene amounts of money if you like get really into a series as far as i could tell the only thing that made me think that they were not just ai slop was the fact that they had so many spelling errors in them um like a lot of them were very like english as a second or third language written but uh yvonne assures me that when she was extremely bored at times and wanted to turn her brain off which to be clear i don't begrudge her i have my own turn my brain off things i watch cartoons that's my like i am thinking about absolutely nothing right now my brain is off thing to do so it's like i see them as pretty much equivalent but i was like hey this would be cheaper probably if i just had like a 40 70 in the basement and just generate another chapter um okay what what else what else we got

48:39Luke Lafreniere:my best one is the one that monitors my stock portfolio and watches news and headlines to give me text updates through the day so um yeah local agents to monitor um news or stocks or whatever yeah that's that's pretty cool again requires like yeah if you're if you're jarvisy

49:00Linus Sebastian:thing, if you're like Alexa but you built it yourself thing, is monitoring the output of agents, it would also be interesting for it to effectively notify you. It's the central link. It doesn't do a lot of things itself, at least the way I would want to build it. Alright, what else we got here?

49:27Luke Lafreniere:Custom bookmarks, embedded computing judging my bottles okay game bots to farm resources i mean oh should we play games that are not fun to play though maybe we just don't play those games is that crazy what is it what is it what uh someone's talking about they want their local uh their local ai to be a game bot to farm resources. I don't know, man. Man, there's a... Wow, you guys have got lots of ideas. Okay, we might have to... Wait, do we actually log Floatplane Chat anywhere? No. Okay. So basically, I have to write down everything now. Yeah, get good. Oh, maybe if you had a... Write that down, too.

50:16Luke Lafreniere:Nice. Nice. that's pretty solid um okay all right okay cool well this gives us somewhere this gives us somewhere

50:27Linus Sebastian:to start we were at one point i don't know i don't think it's still running but it wasn't like playbackable like you could watch the stream and have it go back but we there was one point in time where we had we had logs of of chat and we might still have it i just haven't looked at them in a

50:40Luke Lafreniere:very long time yeah this gives some ideas to kind of bring back to the uh to the writing team and figure out like how we want to how we want to package it because that's that's pretty important we the last thing we want to do is say like oh hey here's this thing and you can totally set one up and then good luck our use cases are kind of boring yeah yeah um very cool oh wow we went for a really long time without ever doing the cw announcements let's get those going we have got something extremely special to announce on ltd store this week and this man is wearing it the float plane t-shirt is an exclusive drop for float plane members so if you are a float plane member this is for you and if you're not it might be time to join for exclusive launches lower shipping fees with some tiers of float plane membership and early access to events it's printed on our classic poly blend t soft breathable and pre-shunk from pre-shrunk and is available in regular and tall sizing.

51:45Luke Lafreniere:You can check it out at lmg.gg slash floatplane tea. I almost read that as float planet.

51:56Linus Sebastian:Do you remember that one time Apple couldn't log into our app? It's because they were manually typing in the email for some reason instead of just copy-pasting, and they did float planet. Nice. And they're like, app denied because we can't type. Nice.

52:09Luke Lafreniere:That's so cool. We are also expanding the cargo collection with two new pieces. Expanding the cargo collection with two new pieces. The cargo jacket uses that same durable cotton nylon spandex blend as our cargo pants.

52:29Linus Sebastian:That's right. Every single LDG store photo with him, his face is identical.

52:34Luke Lafreniere:Well, consistency. It's fascinating. Consistency, all right? It has 10 pockets, including magnetic flap chest pockets, secure zippered pockets, a dedicated phone pocket, and a sleeve zipper utility pocket. It has a shoulder gusset for improved mobility and adjustable cuff button closures. Then, we've also got our cargo shorts. Also in navy, same fabric, but lightweight and summer ready with an above-the-knee modern cut. 21 pockets, including two magnetic cargo pockets, four zippered pockets, YKK zippers throughout, hammer loops, and a gusseted crotch for mobility. Basically, it's a wearable tool box, and I am totally okay with that.

53:20Luke Lafreniere:Check out the cargo collection at lmg.gg slash cargos. Finally, there's one more thing for LTT Store. It's sign up and save. We're continuing our sign up offer for new subscribers. Anyone who signs up at ltdstore.com slash welcome will receive a discount to save 10 % off your first purchase when you sign up to be notified of upcoming product drops. So the types of notifications that you'll get, limited drops, new products, as well as, this is very important, true spec inventory drops. We do have some cable inventory coming. I am told that in the next 6 to 12 weeks we are expecting and this apparently was not a typo hold on I don't want to get the number wrong now crap 75 cables get them while they're hot I'm just setting expectations hold on

54:18Linus Sebastian:the cables are going to be so expensive

54:20Luke Lafreniere:they're going to be so expensive guys

54:21Linus Sebastian:You're not going to be able to afford the cables

54:23Luke Lafreniere:Just prepare yourself How much could one cable cost, Michael? Here we go

54:33Linus Sebastian:$300

54:35Luke Lafreniere:And you can actually see what I said to Mr. Dave when he gave me this number I said, is this a typo? We are expecting in the next 6 to 12 weeks 57 ,000 units nice of cables nice very solid number so just because that's a big number does not necessarily mean that they will be in stock for very long so you guys are going to want to go sign up lttstore.com slash welcome so that you are the first to know when we get a new drop of inventory and um then yeah make sure make sure you order right away because when they come in they just especially the hottest sizes they just sell all right now it's time for us to give you guys a reason to place an order and that's of course going to be our comms a lot of live shows they let you throw money at your screen and then they like might acknowledge you or maybe something like cool shows up on screen or maybe a robot dances in the background that's pretty cool did you know unitary can you can do that people can like one for the win show we should well

55:42Linus Sebastian:dancing robot.

55:43Luke Lafreniere:People can interact with your chat and they can make your robot dance. I was like, wow, okay, that's actually pretty cool. But anyway, we don't do any of that.

55:51Linus Sebastian:You can have it read out the merch messages. The checkout chats.

55:55Luke Lafreniere:We do checkout messages or comms. And the way those work is instead of just throwing money at your screen, you throw money at your screen and you get high quality merchandise in return. And Luke, do you want to show them how it works? Sure. All you have to do is go to ltdstore.com, add anything to your cart it could be the new float plane shirt it could be our new cargo shorts or a cargo jacket it could be a screwdriver it could be a tech sack or a backpack it could be anything and then once you're in the cart you'll see the checkout message interface you type up a message it goes to producer dan there he is and he might pop it up on screen or he might respond to it or he might curate it for me and loop to respond to dan do you want to show them how that works and hit us with a couple of curated comms sure yeah we got a bunch here today hey dan and co is dlss 5 actually ai slop or did nvidia mess up using existing games would new environments slash models where people had no existing emotional connection have made it better received i mean i i think that was one of the things i had so many thoughts on dlss 5 it's actually a really great segment because i think riley had a really interesting perspective luke brought his of course always excellent perspective i said a bunch of stuff too um i i felt like it was one of those things that i had so many thoughts about that without sitting down and like typing up a script i felt like live was not really the right format for me to express them all because there was definitely a side of me that was like you know like this is outrageous and then there was a side of me that was like i wonder if the worst part of this is just that nvidia showed it to us too early and that was one of the things that i i actually told our nvidia rep i was like yeah i i think one of the worst things that you guys did was to tease this because if you had just I think their intent was like, man, this is going to be so cool.

57:59Luke Lafreniere:This is like, this is a fraction of its power. Imagine its greatness once it's done. Let's show this to everybody. And all people are seeing is what you showed them instead of the potentially maybe really cool thing that maybe it's going to be. But then also, hey, in spite of that, a lot of people are going to hate that anyway. And for some very valid reasons. I don't think it's the fault.

58:27Linus Sebastian:It's complicated. I do think in general, the peoples are getting less accepting of work in progress things because the benchmark for like what is a beta or what is early access is just completely lost any reason. things will stay in beta states for their entire period of life that they're interesting.

58:52Luke Lafreniere:I think the Gmail beta was six years or something like that. Five years. Minecraft. Gmail was famously in beta for five years as a perfectly functioning email platform.

59:06Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

59:06Luke Lafreniere:What does beta even mean? And wait, is the part of Linux Challenge out yet where we talk about sort of readjusting your definition of beta? I don't think so. Oh, okay. But I'm not sure. Well, there's a bit in one of the Linux Challenge videos that either is out or is coming out. Apparently it is. Yeah, okay. Oh, my bad. Where we talked about how the word beta means really different things in different contexts.

59:33Linus Sebastian:I used to really enjoy seeing super early builds of games that were really janky. But you could kind of see the vision, and it was like, okay, it's fun to see this early on. Everything's wider frames and kind of terrible, but you can understand what they're going for. And they're showing off a mechanic instead of the finished game or whatever, and that's cool. And now it's just like... This is basically the game. If what you show off isn't effectively perfect...

59:59Luke Lafreniere:But there might be some bugs for some users. That's like to your typical console or Windows gamer. That's pretty much my expectation of what beta means. And it got to the point where, I mean, Firefox, I think you were rocking nightly for ages. And that is probably more akin to what we would have traditionally thought of as beta back in the day.

1:00:26Linus Sebastian:Yeah, and I was expecting there to be problems and stuff.

1:00:28Luke Lafreniere:And then when I went over to the Linux side of things, all of a sudden beta means broken. Like this doesn't work.

1:00:37Linus Sebastian:You are a tester, which is kind of what it was originally supposed to be. I remember getting access to games when I was a wee lad, getting beta access to games and having the motivation of like, I need to go find bugs. and actually trying to generate good bug reports and stuff. Because I was like, wow, I can't believe I got access to this in-development thing that has bugs. I want to be helpful and go help them find those bugs. And that's just not a thing anymore. Invite-only beta access is now based on sales. If you buy it early enough, you get invite beta access. Back then, you had to apply.

1:01:15Linus Sebastian:It was a whole thing. Yeah, it's weird. So I think there's that. But then also, I think the community is very right to be super, super skeptical of heavily AI-backed projects at this point. And I think we are fairly early on in this whole thing, and it makes a lot of sense for the community to speak out about what they want from these projects.

1:01:38Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I mean, the community has gotten what they want by being very vocal about... Okay, maybe not many things, but boy, did we ever get the Sonic character fixed for the movies. That was good, though. That was really good. So, like, if they can help NVIDIA, of course, correct?

1:01:58Linus Sebastian:I'm just... I'm not... Lots of loud noises. I'm not convinced... NVIDIA listened at all? Or ever would have?

1:02:05Luke Lafreniere:heard anything gamers said because I don't think I think this is one of those cases where both parties were talking completely past each other. I think gamers were saying, that thing you showed us this isn't what we want here is the artful intent that we expect from our games. Games are a medium for artists to communicate a message and a vision to the world. They are not for AI generation. We don't want everything to get all samey and get that that what's it called ai something yas or whatever it is i i forget yassification yeah we we don't want that and then nvidia was going guys this is uh this is like pre-visualization it's running on 250 90s obviously this isn't the finished thing you're you're completely focusing on the wrong issues this is going to be built in as a tool for the game devs in order to realize their vision you guys are completely missing the point and both parties are going like this at each other and neither is listening to what the other saying at all as far as i could tell and so no i don't believe nvidia is changing course at all but i also think it is right by the community to try yes yeah i think that's more my point i think nvidia's response was in uh what what what what was it a keynote or uh or an investor call their last didn't include their last revenue uh nvidia changes gaming to edge hold on here let me see if i can find this uh yes during their q1 fiscal year 2027 earnings uh geforce gpu revenue was folded into a newly created edge computing segment that also covers pcs workstations ai ran base stations robotics and automotive nvidia the gaming company no longer reports gaming revenues as a separate line item on their fiscal reports i i was trying to pretend to look shocked i'm not i'm not actually shocked i mean it's like the writing's been on the wall for a long time but i think this is a this is one of those weird times where...

1:04:31Luke Lafreniere:I agree with you. No, no, I'd like, oh, sorry, that came across wrong. This is one of those weird times where I agree with what you said, that when the community feels strongly about something, they need to speak up and make their voices heard.

1:04:48Luke Lafreniere:However, we may be overplaying our hands against another party that doesn't care what we think and could just as easily just go, okay, well then f*** it.

1:04:57Linus Sebastian:I think it's important to keep in mind that they might not be the only ones listening. Yeah. I think, you know, NVIDIA is such a huge ship and they have such more interesting waters to sail that it doesn't necessarily matter too much. But, you know, people at Intel working on ARC might be listening. People at AMD working on AMD GPU stuff might be listening.

1:05:23Luke Lafreniere:Are we going to keep getting ARC DGPUs, Luke? Maybe. I hope so.

1:05:28Linus Sebastian:Maybe. There's no guarantee right now.

1:05:31Luke Lafreniere:Druid? Yeah, maybe Druid.

1:05:33Linus Sebastian:Maybe Druid.

1:05:34Luke Lafreniere:I don't think E has a codename yet. Do we know what E is supposed to be? Evoker. That's pretty cool. I like it. I have no idea.

1:05:44Linus Sebastian:I'm coming up with stuff off the top of my head.

1:05:48Luke Lafreniere:Okay, I'm going to see if the autocomplete will tell me what's next. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. uh no i don't elemental elven i think i think we're just guessing you guys cool yeah no i don't think we have a i don't think we have a fifth one yet uh hopefully we're still going to get druid but that leaves what like amd whose commitment to building gaming gpus waivers like uh my commitment to is it gonna be a chinese company

1:06:21Linus Sebastian:I don't know if this is in the doc, but there's apparently some Corsair sticks are going to be coming out with...

1:06:29Luke Lafreniere:Oh, CMX...

1:06:31Linus Sebastian:What's that company called again? I don't remember.

1:06:33Luke Lafreniere:CXMT?

1:06:34Linus Sebastian:I think I saw this this morning. Yep. So like... And I think we call... I don't know if it was me. I think it happened on the WAN show, though. But I think we called this idea of RAM prices eventually being saved by effectively Chinese companies coming in. So maybe that happens elsewhere. I know there's a Chinese GPU that's like 400 and something bucks, and it's around like 4060 performance.

1:07:01Luke Lafreniere:Is that true? It needs driver updates and a pricing change. Yeah, it's pretty bad. It is not close to a 4060. What is it close to? That's not a helpful statement. What is it close to?

1:07:18Linus Sebastian:Where's the 3060 on there? Right here. 3060 is the most... This is a perfectly cromulent gaming card. It has the highest percentage of any card on the Steam Hardware Survey, but that percentage is still only like 4%. Yeah. So what's that? The mode? I always get those things mixed up.

1:07:39Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I think it's the mode. Okay, yeah. Gaming mode. 3060. That's not a bad marketing tagline. It's not bad at all.

1:07:48Linus Sebastian:that's an incredibly nerdy joke thank you that's gotta go on top 100 list but just because they're they're performing there right now which is does not mean forever yeah

1:08:10Luke Lafreniere:man wouldn't have seen this one coming yeah

1:08:15Linus Sebastian:not even a little but like there is a market there and that's that's the thing i kind of keep coming back to is like you know what okay sure maybe there isn't maybe that market is really not that interesting to the nvidia's the intel's the amd's of the world right now but it's still billions of dollars yeah and somebody wants billions of dollars they were doing real well before the coin rush before the ai rush they were doing real well before then they were pretty big players before then and that means there's room for that market uh and if a chinese company or any other company realistically but let's be honest uh if a chinese company wants to step in and crush that i'm not saying what kind of doctor it was

1:09:02Luke Lafreniere:you ready for another uh yeah i'm ready for another calm yes quickly get us out of here step on it hey you and i'd love looking forward to whale land this weekend and a new swag luke did you catch the starship launch

1:09:21Linus Sebastian:the the kind of is that the question um do you know what i'm talking about the the we're gonna get no we're gonna get no uh yeah i did i did catch it um it didn't end up going though right am i crazy um starship launch did you see the starship maybe first yeah i definitely saw the starship maybe um yeah they're calling it the the launch attempt at this point um tries again for its launch window are we hearing static or is someone watching a really low bit rate starship launch that's weird um starship tries again for its launch yeah i was i was i was paying attention but I don't think it actually

1:10:11went.

1:10:12Linus Sebastian:Am I crazy? No. Darkguy2 says yes, it launched. I watched it. When the hell did it launch? It was this afternoon? No. I watched it yesterday.

1:10:21Luke Lafreniere:I have not caught up to this. May 22nd. Yeah, successfully launches prototype of Starship Rocket. That looks pretty launched to me. I always launch in the middle of my workday. I can't always keep track of it. You know, the world does not revolve around you, Mr. Main Character. No, but that's what I'm saying. I need to get you another monitor.

1:10:39Linus Sebastian:That's about it. Oh, my goodness. That would have solved it. Way to prove that you're actually working, though. Yeah, but then I want to actually pay attention to it. Well, just come back to work later.

1:10:49Luke Lafreniere:Flex time.

1:10:51Linus Sebastian:Yeah, but I can't always do that.

1:10:53Luke Lafreniere:Sorry, I've got to reschedule this meeting. They're doing a space.

1:10:58Linus Sebastian:I think I rescheduled so many meetings that if my reason was I'm watching a video, I think people are going to get upset.

1:11:05Luke Lafreniere:That is what we do here. None of what's about to happen is financial advice, but the SpaceX IPO is going to be wild.

1:11:11Linus Sebastian:It's going to be nuts. Whatever happens, it's going to be nuts.

1:11:15Luke Lafreniere:There's no way that goes calmly. It either goes to the moon or it splashes down in the ocean. There is absolutely zero in between.

1:11:25Linus Sebastian:But like without landing on a pad. Oh, 100%. Totally horizontal. In pieces.

1:11:30Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. In many, many, many pieces. Not the intentional pieces. the unintentional pieces man

1:11:38Linus Sebastian:what's the vibe though? it was all successful? things went well? it seems like it just on the skimming I'm doing now I'm getting spoilers, this is awful I'll watch it later regardless I watched all of them basically two threads you say 90 % good stuff okay, cool, sounds good booster failed on booster back ship did good starship landing was perfect mostly booster mist during a boost fight okay I mean from in my perspective it's a lot more important that the ship does well obviously you want them both to do well but anyways yeah that's cool sweet I'll check it out later thanks for the pink I knew it got rescheduled I didn't get I didn't know it got rescheduled to today that's interesting hey some more

1:12:24Luke Lafreniere:AI related news this one's kind of funny in the weekly Linux kernel messaging list Linus Torvalds delivered release candidate 4 for Linux 7.1. Included in his message, though, was Torvalds highlighting that the security mailing list has become almost entirely unmanageable due to individuals, each of whom are using the same AI tools, reporting the same bugs that those AI tools detected, creating massive duplication. Torvalds describes it as a pointless churn because AI-detected bugs are pretty much by definition not secret. So handling them on a private security list is wasteful and actually makes duplication worse since reporters can't see each other's submissions.

1:13:12Luke Lafreniere:He also wrote that AI tools are great, but only if they actually help rather than cause unnecessary pain and pointless make-believe work. Feel free to use them, but use them in a way that is productive and makes for a better experience. so simply put if you actually want to add value read the documentation create a patch too and add some real value on top of what the ai did don't be a drive-by send a random report with no real understanding kind of person okay man is there a more based person alive today doesn't necessarily

1:13:48Linus Sebastian:seem like it um we were just talking about linux and it made me think i have an update on why i'm i'm fairly certain i know why mine didn't work should i talk about that yeah it's a little

1:14:02Luke Lafreniere:bit of a spoiler for a linux challenge and some part of episode three or episode four luke talks about forza horizon six which you guys told me would work i mean

1:14:15Linus Sebastian:how could how could they not know it is so i i asked i asked on a previous when show like oh i don't think forza heisen 6 will work it's a microsoft game whatever and all of chat was like it'll work it'll work five works it'll definitely work but i mean so it does so it does work for some people it works look it's silver it works i don't love their rating system it does work for

1:14:37Luke Lafreniere:some people the rating system you mean the rating lies yeah i've been i mean come on paying attention to proton do look as someone who's pro linux very very excited about proton and have been beating the proton drum since the first time it got named proton as someone who has gamed extensively on linux using proton and just loves everything about it quite amazing proton db is the biggest proton glazing load of horse shit that exists on the internet i'm sorry but it just so you'll have games that are like gold diamond platinum ruby verified perfect that are like full of people under them that are like this doesn't work on this this this this this and come on so the

1:15:27Linus Sebastian:something that's okay tell me about forza something that stood out to me it was kind of interesting that quite a few people had no real problems. Which is very cool. And other people... And super-based. Love Proton. Other people are the reason why it's silver. And I was like, this is really interesting to me that it's so drastic, the gap between the two. And you know how, yet again, another spoiler, Elijah mentioned that it worked for him. He was kind of surprised that it didn't work for me. I had the aha moment last night. I don't think I did that voice line quite well enough but that's okay someone will get the reference um yeah aha that's still not very good um really isn't i want to try a third time maybe it'll work no no they do say the third time's a charm i had the realization last night and i asked elijah what brand of gpu do you have

1:16:18Luke Lafreniere:amd i'm running an nvidia card finally a victim of nvidia driver issues on linux i'm pretty sure Because you've talked in the past about how just who cares? I've had no issues. Who cares? Oh, no, no, no. Why do people need a special distro?

1:16:32Linus Sebastian:When I'm talking about that, it's the install of them. Oh, sure. So I still stand by that completely. Got it. I think the install of them is like a solved problem basically at this point. Got it. But it's... But the drivers themselves. Yeah. And I've poked around to some other people that have been having trouble all NVIDIA installs. I've poked around to some other people having... Let's see. Do people list their specs?

1:16:53Luke Lafreniere:I don't. That would be kind of nice. Useless. Thanks for nothing. All right. Cool. Yeah. Sort by people with issues. So you filter on the right. Yeah. Type. GPU. Yeah. Let's just do that. Yeah. GPU NVIDIA. Let's go. Okay. Brilliant. Useless. Got it.

1:17:16Linus Sebastian:Cool. No reports yet on Steam Deck. Can I just not do Steam Deck? What? Oh, you had it set to Steam Deck? I don't know how or why. I didn't do that. Oh, I see. All. There we go. Okay. Filter. NVIDIA. Okay, cool. Some people have it working. Yeah, Tinker Steps.

1:17:44Luke Lafreniere:That's something.

1:17:48Luke Lafreniere:For normal gamers, this game is just awful to run on Linux with NVIDIA. it's possible but not great okay interesting audio missing windowing other i had to disable enable full screen instability occasionally thumbs up don't glaze it see this is oh man people are so much more upset when you say something should work and it doesn't versus if you just say it doesn't work and a game that runs but crashes is not working you know that's not silver that's like vomit green that's not good like we should have the same standard and to be clear i'm not i don't want to take anything away from the incredible developers who work on proton and wine and all this like really cool stuff it's super cool and it's amazing but for a consumer facing tool like proton db it's not useful to misrepresent the experience to me what does silver mean to you luke if i tell you you're a pretty good a silver member in our club that's pretty good then that means you are yeah silver to me on proton db is

1:19:08Linus Sebastian:terrifying gold is questionable platinum is like nice yeah that's usually how i see it i also don't have to use it that often though because almost everything does just work which is super cool fantastic skimming through here it seems like it's uh instability things also like like this person has works fine out of the box except there are significant bugs it's just like hold on hold on let me go to your laptop let's see this i already skimmed past it i'd have to go i don't know where it was but there's there's a lot of people on nvidia thumbsing it down yeah um but like this one thumbs up ran like a dream except there's missing textures and there's performance problems mostly fine but your mileage may vary so let's see like it seems like if you do get it working on nvidia there's probably still some problems yeah it seems like

1:19:59Luke Lafreniere:and i am not and given that nvidia is 95 of the dgpu market that's that seems pretty important

1:20:08Linus Sebastian:but i think it's i think it's even holding its silver rating rating as it is because of this steam deck status check mark verified you know what and the reason for that it's it's amd in the steam deck right yeah so so there's a bunch of reports on here that are decently positive because i think it's people running like handhelds or or people who have amd desktop gpus magnetic

1:20:32Luke Lafreniere:Flux makes a really good point. It says, I'm personally guilty of posting on ProtonDB five minutes after I successfully launched a game because I'm all excited and I want to contribute not realizing the game is going to crash in two hours. That's so valid. So valid. And I get it. Not everyone who posts on ProtonDB is a grizzled veteran from the games QA industry. And that's totally fine. but there are a lot of posts on here where they clearly know that there's a lot of problems and still are like, thumbs up. Love it. It's amazing. You'll love it. All right. What do we want to do next? I feel like we're sort of overdue to do a couple of sponsor spots.

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1:23:40Linus Sebastian:i forgot it was a full plane announcement i thought you were actually talking about mod met and i i was like actually genuinely so interested nope i got so baited so here is

1:23:50Luke Lafreniere:sammy this is me oh this is me probably arguing with chat gpt yeah um probably how long did this

1:23:59Linus Sebastian:end up being oh my god it's an hour and 22 minutes so effectively sammy was just like i ain't cutting

1:24:07Luke Lafreniere:this and people seem to like it i guess so what all what all do we have are there time no there's no time stamps we made a mini movie people are liking it yeah people are liking the crap out of this um okay so we have luke reacting to linus's creating like an mvp plan and that's the bulk of the video no then we have luke and dan doing whatever they were doing this is different dan by the way i'm then kind of this this is mine mine mine mine dan sorry i'm just i'm joking it's not like the bird i know it's not like the bird but it sounds like the bird you just call him better dan it's easier oh my god i mean i wouldn't say better smarter maybe smarter oh my god more handsome more technically it's better he's better dan he's awesome i appreciate i like my

1:25:02Linus Sebastian:people equally i like both dan's equally but if you had to save one in a fire

1:25:09Luke Lafreniere:who lit the fire it was me okay i guess i'm gonna save the other dan dan there you go maybe don't like the fire anyway the point is um see how did i know it was gonna be this dan who lit the fire how did i know that i have a problem okay back to this um right so i haven't actually seen this yet you guys uh reacting to the you know this system has been deployed for like six months now right yeah it actually for all of its warts yeah the final state is like i'm sure you guys discovered quite impressive it actually worked yeah um yeah and so it has like kind of uh it has like a flow where you can go through and like do these um like just run these uh these like little scripts um do a bunch of like really really really horrible spaghetti code things and then it gets to i mean i've seen worse dan explaining to linus how his much better tool works and then finally oh this is included apparently this was not meant to be included sammy just included the part of the meeting where i explained to dan s how the current system is working perfectly for specifically men's doubles with the elo system as long as we only want to run one event at a time but it doesn't work with singles mixed doubles um it doesn't work if we want to sign up together so if we want to play men's doubles as a team like because you need a hard carry um i took no offense yeah um our current system does not support that it has no flexibility for how many players um are on each court so it assumes four players per court and if we don't have an even multiple of four there's a court that can't play just that simple uh whereas it would be nice to be able to do like courts of five and because everything's uh if we have an odd number it's just to kind of to eat up the extras and because it's just elo as long as you're playing the right number of matches in a night then it doesn't really matter who you who exactly you play like what exactly the play order is um so so dan so because it's vibe coded and because i don't actually like understand what i created and because of the scope has gotten so broad to be able to include all those different formats and stuff uh the ai got like extremely confused i actually showed dan s some of the outputs that i was getting from it where i'd be like leave no placeholders and then it would like crap out a thing that's like here's some placeholders for what we're going to do next i'm like no no i just told you no placeholders just do the thing and it's like oh you wanted placeholders sure i filled this with placeholders it's ridiculous list um so what dan is going to do is he's going to take his like better version and he's going to add a bunch of cool functionality and it's going to be awesome uh one of the other things i want to do is just like impromptu ranked match so you can go on like a ladder night and play against people that are like similarly ranked to you like you would in like a like a ranked game right or you can actually just like sign up as a four and you can just play a ranked match anytime.

1:28:34Luke Lafreniere:I want to put like iPads next to the courts and you can just like boop your wrist things and go like, okay, play ranked match. And then you're if you're that good at carrying or if you can win an upset victory against someone who's a lot better than you, then you can boost your score pretty well that way. It's going to be pretty cool. Anyway, that's live. Right, we're doing floatplane announcements. before you write oh yeah okay so for the for this video before you write why not use x ai model or why not do y ai software this was shot like a so long wow a year ago it's like actually

1:29:12Linus Sebastian:way out of date when you consider how ai stuff goes oh yeah okay yeah it was just stuck in production hell and we're not gonna i'm just saying that's that's why it never released on the main channels because i think it would if we release it within the flowplane ecosystem most people are going to like give it enough time and attention to understand that it's an old project and a bit of a time capsule and whatever and it's fine if you try to release this on the main channel the top comment is going to be like you're an idiot why didn't you lose cloud code or open cloud gentic whatever so it's just it just wasn't worth it basically sorry the last

1:29:53Luke Lafreniere:Sorry, I'm dying. The last thing we have for full-plane announcements this week is, it's up, our video on the Trump T1 phone. The internet was wrong. Trump phone is shipping. It's basically a look at the entire saga that has been Trump Mobile and the T1 phone. It's a really cool video. Riley actually co-wrote it with me, and we let him out of the tech-linked dungeons. and the creative sponsor productions dungeons for a little bit to work on this together and uh he actually uh interviewed here he is uh dom from the verge who has been at the forefront of information on the trump phone so he's a collaborator for the video as well it's actually a really cool video you guys are going to want to check it out so it's over on floatplane uh lmg.gg slash fp when where you can watch the movie-length Vibe Coding Challenge video as well as get early access to the Trump phone video.

1:30:56Luke Lafreniere:All right, Dan, what are we supposed to be doing? Let's do some more topics. Okay, Luke, do you want to pick... Here's a challenge for you. Pick the best news topic out of what remains. What? I'm going to see if I can pick which one I think that you think is the best news topic. Okay, okay.

1:31:31Linus Sebastian:Okay, I picked one. Oh, the timing on that. Okay. Is it this one? I don't think it's going to be... It was not the same. Okay, hit me. Microsoft admits faulty drivers were killing Windows 11 battery life for years. Windows's old driver testing system was too narrow because it mostly checked for crashes, but not for background issues like battery drain, overheating, or sluggish performance. And as a result, bad third-party drivers could have been slipping through for the aforementioned years. Those overlooked drivers could prevent laptops from entering proper low-power states. What? Like sleep or hibernation.

1:32:13Linus Sebastian:No way! causing hidden battery drain, heat, and general performance issues even when the system looks stable, also known as cooking in your backpack. Microsoft is now fixing this issue by expanding driver quality rules to include power and thermal efficiency and everyday performance. They're also blocking or automatically rolling back problematic drivers via Windows Update so they don't keep quietly harming devices.

1:32:37Luke Lafreniere:This is... see? You do have the same level of enthusiasm. This one, I think, is more important and bigger. You claimed you weren't going to have the same enthusiasm. This one is more important or bigger. I want to see Microsoft right the ship, and I'm here to cheerlead it the whole way. And this is something that should have been dealt with ages ago. And it's important to talk about that. But it is such a step in the right direction, and I want to see them stick to it. And I'm so excited to have Windows laptops suck less. and this seems like a big part of it it's pretty late but it's not too late and it's not that small

1:33:18Linus Sebastian:actually this is a pretty big deal so you know hopefully they keep stacking these hopefully it

1:33:23Luke Lafreniere:keeps going well even on the desktop this kind of thing just drives me absolutely nuts like like whenever your stupid like monitor doesn't actually turn off off you know it just go the screen just goes black but like it doesn't turn off like that kind of like power saving power management stuff drives me crazy no matter whether i'm on a battery or not it's fascinating to me that

1:33:45Linus Sebastian:just like i don't i don't experience these problems like um i've i don't think i've heard of someone experiencing a sleep issue on a macbook maybe ever i don't think so i'm not sure the craziest part of that one is that all five of the systems in the

1:34:05Luke Lafreniere:the lan area are identical four of them even down to the monitor and only one of them has this issue just my youngest daughter's machine the monitor doesn't turn off well yeah can't can't explain it i i do driver updates on them at the same times and i i had my my laptop was having sleep issues

1:34:23Linus Sebastian:now keep in mind they they did that update recently where they said sleep issues are way better now and i stopped using windows before that happened so maybe it's fixed now but my laptop was having

1:34:34Luke Lafreniere:sleep issues went to mint no more sleep issues uh gilmore d says it's driving me nuts my monitors do sleep but my windows are resized when they wake up i hate that issue that is so flipping annoying i know what you're talking about i haven't had they all do the like or no no when when they when they're like this big and all the ui elements are like all squished and stupid you're like obviously that isn't what i wanted and it seems to be related to like scaling issues or something or or like not knowing what resolution of panel they're connected to so like while they're sleeping they think they're on like a 640 by 480 vga thing and they like cram everything into a thing and then and then it gets big and it's like well just going manually drive them all it's ridiculous um yeah yeah i hate that uh you know what so here's what i here's what i thought I thought he was going to go more gamer pick.

1:35:30Luke Lafreniere:Valve has made some changes to the set of game tags on Steam, including the addition of 17 new tags, the removal of 28 tags, and the merging or updating of several others. These updates are intended to help players more easily identify games that match their interests while also improving Steam's ability to generate relevant recommendations. Steam said, each year we typically add a few new tags based on community feedback, but it has been a while since we last did so. This was most recently in 2024 when they added dice, dwarf, boomer shooter, and elf tags. In the time since, we've built up a list of tags to add, remove, and update.

1:36:09Luke Lafreniere:Does dwarf and elf

1:36:11Linus Sebastian:really help you? Do people buy games based on if there's elves in it?

1:36:17Luke Lafreniere:Depends what they're doing with those games, Luke. Oh.

1:36:23Okay.

1:36:25Luke Lafreniere:Alright. Removed tags include 3D Vision Rest in Peace. Ambient America Blood Crowdfunded Cult Classic Documentary Drama Dungeons and Dragons Electronic Experience Feature Film Foreign That makes sense. Game Maker Games Workshop Illuminati.

1:37:02Linus Sebastian:Why did they remove that? I'm a little surprised they removed blood.

1:37:09Luke Lafreniere:Sorry.

1:37:10Linus Sebastian:I'm a little surprised they removed blood.

1:37:11Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Kickstarter Lego Masterpiece Mature. Surprised they removed that one. movie narration nsfw really that seems like the most obvious tag to keep roguevania rpg maker warhammer 40k web publishing and well written really we removed well written that also seems weird added tags include kind of a rating bullet heaven desktop companion bullet are we talking Bonsai buddy or are we talking about the elven thing? You know Vampire Survivors? Those are now bullet heaven games. Instead of bullet hell? Bullet hells? No, because bullet hells the bullets are bad, but your bullets are good. They're your bullets.

1:38:01Luke Lafreniere:They're hell for everyone else. Okay. Sorry, what's the difference? Bullet hell. You're the tiny specks. And things attack me. And that's bad. But in bullet heaven Vampire Survivors?

1:38:17Linus Sebastian:So in Bullet Hells, there's lots of bullets coming towards you and you need to avoid them and fight back. And in Bullet Heaven, there's lots of enemies coming towards you but not projectiles, and you are sending the projectiles out. Like in Vampire Survivors, there's tons of projectiles coming out of you all the time.

1:38:33Luke Lafreniere:I mean, I've played the game. So it's just the direction. So wait, is this a distinction?

1:38:39Linus Sebastian:Bullet going to you, Hell, instead of calling them Survivors-like?

1:38:43Luke Lafreniere:Like, what is a Castlevania? Is that a Castlevania-like? No, it is the Castlevania. So what kind of game is Vampire Survivors? It's good. Vampire Survivors. Originally known as Survivors Likes or Reverse Bullet Hells, according to the AI overview. Okay, you know what? I'll allow it. Um, organizing, cleaning, decorating, wuxia, wuxia, zhanjia? What are these? Somebody, a dam's looking it up. Martial heroes or martial chivalry.

1:39:27Linus Sebastian:Oh. Martial arts and chivalry, a genre of Chinese fiction and low fantasy concerning the adventures of martial artists in ancient, read more. Falling Blocks, Espionage, Samurai, Zoo, Wolves, Capybaras, Animals, Cult, Poker, and Language Learning.

1:39:50Luke Lafreniere:I can see why you picked the Windows topic. I honestly didn't scroll down that far.

1:39:55Linus Sebastian:I read the title of this and thought it was maybe not that interesting. I also don't really use the tags on Steam much, though.

1:40:02Luke Lafreniere:Oh, I love the tags. but a lot of the time a lot of the time i end up using like community tags more but for me the the most important tags are um like local multiplayer couch co-op yeah but i just scroll down to the

1:40:16Linus Sebastian:the officially filled out by the game version of those oh sometimes the community ones can be

1:40:22Luke Lafreniere:really good these are also for those people that help categorize and there's been a bunch of merges as well. It's kind of move on probably. This is cool. The battle over users' rights to mod smart TV software is heading to trial. Ars Technica reports that Vizio is heading to trial over claims that it violated open source Linux licenses by not giving TV owners the full source code for their smart TV OS. The non-profit Software Freedom Conservancy has spent eight years trying to get people access to their TV source code in order to let them customize their devices, say, for example, by disabling ads and tracking or adding their own features.

1:41:12Luke Lafreniere:Vizio counters that the open source GPL, or general public license, doesn't give consumers the legal right to sue and disputes that it owes users that level of access. This August, a California jury is going to decide who is right. The SFC's main argument is that open source GPLs may be enforceable by consumers, not just by tech companies and developers. So we're kind of getting into contract law theory that could expand who gets to enforce GPL obligations. A judge already ruled Vizio doesn't have to guarantee that modded TVs will still work afterward, that makes a lot of sense, only that users can obtain and modify the source code itself.

1:41:56Luke Lafreniere:Linus Torvalds has chimed in on this case before. In a blog post, he agreed that GPLs are mainly about source access, not about forcing companies to unlock hardware. Smart TV companies increasingly make money from ads and tracking rather than hardware sales. So if Vizio loses, it could make it easier for users to fight TV manufacturers across the whole industry, which could have a knock-on effect of making TVs, finally, more expensive. All right. Hot take. Here we go. Cool. How's that a hot take? I want them to be more expensive. I just want there to not be ads. Sorry, I think I misheard you. Did you say you want them to be more expensive?

1:42:40Linus Sebastian:I am completely okay with TVs being more expensive, as long as they're not force-feeding me ads. Okay. I don't want the ads.

1:42:47Luke Lafreniere:What if they just weren't more expensive and didn't have ads?

1:42:51Linus Sebastian:That's great. That's not going to happen. Yeah, well, a girl can dream, right? Yeah. So I'm trying to look at what I think is the reality, is if they can't service ads, the price is going to go up. And I'm preferring that reality.

1:43:02Luke Lafreniere:Okay. Here's a question. Here's a question for you. So this will only affect Linux-based operating systems. Is Tizen Linux-based? I'm just assuming they all are. I don't think WebOS is. tizen is linux-based um yes web os is also based on the linux kernel originally developed by palm and later acquired by lg uses a linux foundation combined with web technologies like html5 and javascript okay i did not realize that web os was linux-based interesting interesting officially on on lg's website they say it is uh so what are there any tv os options that are not linux based i also don't know specifically what exactly vizio has done to to draw their ire um maybe they just were a smaller target that seemed easier to go after to try to get a ruling and that then you know they could use to go after Samsung and the rest of them.

1:44:14Luke Lafreniere:Or maybe it's because the Vizio brand is owned by Best Buy, so it's easier to go after them in the US. I'm not sure why we singled out Vizio specifically here, or whether this will actually apply more broadly, but it would be very cool to ... Man, what would this even look like? So you can get the source code, but then do what with it? like what is it that they're what is it that we're hoping to achieve here oh sorry walmart walmart not best buy walmart other other giant u.s megacorp thank you for

1:44:55Linus Sebastian:that nokie's saying uh roku is not linux wikipedia the best source of for sure definitely correct information on the internet says that it's linux based os family linux on embedded systems is wikipedia wrong i mean wouldn't be the first time they might be are they incorrect

1:45:20Luke Lafreniere:everything i can find seems to suggest that roku is based on linux

1:45:29Luke Lafreniere:so crystal says kill the ads put in custom backgrounds i don't know and yes that's fair enough but just because we have the open source code doesn't mean that we will be able to do anything with it after it's been modified and after we put it back on our tv unless you know the tv gets rooted or whatever else um but in that case man there's like would be i'll admit to you i don't know much about the hardware architecture of tvs like i don't know how many models in a given model year are all going to be using like the same basic hardware platform and you know the same code base like if if there was a if there was a route for uh for some vizio tv what are the odds that it would apply to you know every tv in that series what are the odds that it would apply to every tv in that model year i feel like pretty high you think it'd be pretty high i think pretty high yeah i don't know i i have i have to admit i have torn

1:46:42Linus Sebastian:down like one tv ever basing that on not a lot cool but i feel like pretty high i'm i'm currently

1:46:49Luke Lafreniere:voting with pretty high he's he's got the vibes right now i like it yeah yeah um all right well

1:46:56Linus Sebastian:roku's definitely based on linux by the way i found something on the roku engineering blog

1:47:00Luke Lafreniere:talking about how it's built on top of linux all right well uh luke with the most ice cold of hot takes today very cool indeed uh definitely rooting for them i would seriously though i would i would

1:47:13Linus Sebastian:happily pay more for a tv uh if if it didn't have ads and stuff i definitely don't want tvs to cost

1:47:21Luke Lafreniere:more and the crazy part about it is i actually don't i don't know if i think that they should

1:47:26Linus Sebastian:need to cost more like we did that video i would prefer if if everything like i think we're getting into silly numbers with a lot of things i wish just everything cost way less and i would be also okay if people proportionally made less it is very silly to me like i i remember and i know this this is based on nothing but i remember when i was a kid the first time my dad was filling up gas and the like price per liter was over a dollar i remember just being like that's dumb the dollar amount shouldn't go up faster than the liter amount does that's obviously stupid it's like it's purely like just vice base so you want to do like the opposite of like a stock split

1:48:07Luke Lafreniere:but for like money kind of like a like a consolidation it's and it happens in video

1:48:13Linus Sebastian:games um the the the the like damage numbers will get too high some some like mmo will have expansions for like 10 years and they'll be like a million damage you do 12 trillion damage per hit that's stupid and then they do a they do a number crunch because things get a little ridiculous um yeah i don't think we're actually there yet but i like it feels like we're trending that direction

1:48:35Luke Lafreniere:I don't think it matters. I think we just need to adjust our cash money to make it make sense. Like, when I was a kid, already a quarter was like, okay, I can buy a couple candies. Now, what's a quarter? It's like nothing. So why don't we just have a$1 coin and a$5 coin and a$10 coin? like why why is everything like they still have a one dollar bill in america right like they still don't have a one dollar coin is that right well i i don't know if they don't have a one dollar coin but they definitely have a one dollar bill they have both you guys have coins now good for you do you have a two dollar coin yet two knees are dope they have one dollar coins but they're not used no okay no i know that you guys have them i just mean like are they common i don't know i don't think so yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no no no i yeah i know they're a thing no they're not common at all okay see this no this is what i'm talking about i know that yeah i mean you there's there's lots of like technically it's real currency canada has a 50 coin but like nobody ever uses it do you know canada has a 50 coin i've heard of it but i think isn't it more just like a collector's item thing you can buy them with like fancy imagery on them and that's basically it uh here it's more of like an investment thing so this is silver coin this is all about the value of the silver it is not about the actual like face value the face value of it and i'm pretty sure that's like totally a thing um in the states too where they have like weird denominations of coins and stuff like that uh yeah i'm like i'm pretty sure the uh like there's face values on

1:50:33Linus Sebastian:like these too like here's a 200 coin yeah just like it costs you 4 800 to buy it yeah yeah what is what is that one crown jewels what is that one crown jewels it's a 50 000 coin 50

1:50:47Luke Lafreniere:dollar coin 50 000 coin what is this yeah that's what i'm saying a five ounce coin what how big is that thing 50 grand okay now it's canadian rubles so like i don't know 35 000 no more than that they're worth something you can buy part of a sandwich they're worth something um man the pricing of this stuff is so dumb like so dumb why is funny that it's legal tender though it is funny that you could you can technically you can technically take this to red robin with a group of 10 people and have it not be enough money like it's

1:51:42Luke Lafreniere:how did we get on this subject who knows i don't know but anyway based hope they win in court hope it actually does lead to vizio having to open up their tvs one way or another hope there is a domino effect that causes tvs to not be able to spy on us hope it doesn't impact tv pricing too much because i'm actually going to push back on that one we did recently cover a Scepter TV that was a whole TV with a whole panel and backlight and processor and networking. No, wait, it didn't have networking. But it does have a processor. It does need at least something. And it had no spyware and was not really much more expensive.

1:52:22Luke Lafreniere:And I do think that the TVs that do have network connectivity and processing, more sophisticated processing and all of that, do have additional costs. But clearly, if Scepter can sell that profitably, then those TVs that don't spy on us don't need to be that much more expensive. I hope.

1:52:43Linus Sebastian:I do find often when companies are like, oh my god, we have to do this. We have to insert the ads into our product that you bought. It's the only way we can stay profitable. I do find that, you know, they were a profitable company. Then they did that. The price didn't exactly go down. I feel like the consumer never wins in any of these scenarios. Good news, man. Show.

1:53:14Linus Sebastian:All right. Here's one. Yeah. This is cool. Yeah. Firefox 151 expands PDF editing capabilities while easing platform migration. Mozilla has released Firefox version 151. In the new version, you can now merge PDFs right in the browser, not just split and edit them. Look out, Adobe. I don't think I realized how good Firefox was at editing documents because I mentioned that I tend to use Sedge stuff recently to someone, and they were like, oh, I just use Firefox. I was like, well, you can just view it there. They're like, no, you can edit it. That was a little bit surprising for me. I still haven't tried to do it, but that's cool.

1:53:55Linus Sebastian:Yeah, in a win for Linux and macOS users, Firefox profile backups now work cross-platform, so you can export your setup from Windows and restore it on Linux or macOS with extensions and themes intact. Mozilla appears to be polishing the UI ahead of a bigger redesign called Project Nova. The new tab page is now Firefox Home with rounded search bars, customizable wallpapers, more shortcuts and widget tweaks and all that fun stuff. and Firefox private browsing now includes a end private session button that lets you quickly clear session data and start a fresh private session without closing the browser window.

1:54:32Linus Sebastian:So it won't be like super obvious when your parents walk into the room.

1:54:36Luke Lafreniere:So maybe going to wonder why you have a private browsing window open at all. But I can provide you with an easy answer. I was because I really needed to see how this website looks when I'm not logged in i was doing a report on algorithmic uh ads and content servicing you're also helping

1:54:51Linus Sebastian:your friend shop for something and you wanted to make sure that you weren't getting biased pricing and maybe you needed to log into something and you didn't want to mess with your login sessions in your browser i have two what i do i've got two windows open right now in an incognito tab plus the other two i don't talk about on the show what are you doing dan i got three monitors

1:55:13Linus Sebastian:is that a rocket launch or

1:55:18Linus Sebastian:he doesn't get one for that i never get dings it's okay um you have to tell that joke balls are bluer than the float plane logo that's that's pretty blue um speaking of i don't know but what kind of blue yeah we talked about this on the show there's no official float

1:55:42Luke Lafreniere:plane blue fun fact it's just blue we just kind of there's also no official float plane plane we just like kind of make it up as we go oh yeah the plane is always different like this plane is not even like the same kind of float plane i don't think as the kind on the back of his shirt yeah you don't you don't think about that don't worry about it yeah it doesn't matter it's a non-concerned.

1:56:04Linus Sebastian:The logo stays consistent. Everything else is... who knows? NBC and CNET got their Trump phones. They sure did. They're real. They're out there and they have 3.5mm headphone jacks. Wow. That's exciting. However, The Verge has released an article questioning if the phone has actually shipped. Outside of two media samples, there are no signs that a single T1 phone has actually shipped. A joking observation. One of the TechLinked writers pointed out that the phone's uh color is more of a yellow than a gold but for some that might be a feature

1:56:41Luke Lafreniere:not a bug okay that's that's a deep cut are we are we talking about the the okay yeah that

1:56:53Linus Sebastian:fun discussion question i think you've touched on this a lot before but can you explain why some media outlets are more likely to get an early access to tech than others did we get a trump phone Do you have one? Do you have a P yellow phone in your pocket?

1:57:05Luke Lafreniere:We did not get a Trump phone. Or is that just a rocket? I did supposedly put down a deposit. Someone told me that we put down a deposit. So as far as I know, we have a deposit now as a user, as a purchaser. So we should theoretically get an opportunity to pay the balance because we haven't paid for the entire thing yet. the really weird one for me is like the the relationship between this particular president and the people close to him fascinating and news media fascinating um like if they were gonna seed a media outlet wouldn't it be one american network or like fox or something why nbc like who knows i i thought nbc is fake news like i just i don't i don't follow the logic and if you understand the logic

1:58:11Luke Lafreniere:I don't know. Let me know. Let me know.

1:58:17Linus Sebastian:Sure. AI is coming and the youth are booing it. This is pretty funny. During a commencement speech at the University of Arizona, former Google CEO Eric Schmidt was reportedly booed as he began discussing AI and its role in shaping the future. Students drowned out parts of his speech, especially when he urged them to brace AI. He attempted to acknowledge their fears, such as job displacement and instability. Yeah, a pretty big fear for people in school right now. Yeah, they're graduating.

1:58:46Luke Lafreniere:Their timing is like terrible to be joining the workforce.

1:58:48Linus Sebastian:Yeah, but the crowd continued to react negatively. Wow, surprise! As TechRadar put it, learn to read the room. The incident appears to have prompted discussion around young people's rising anxiety that AI will replace entry-level jobs, weaken career ladders, and primarily benefit corporations and elites rather than graduates entering the workforce. One giant tech personality that appears to understand these kids is Steve the Woz Wozniak, who gave a commencement speech at Grand Valley State University that featured him telling the audience, you all have AI, actual intelligence. A statement that got him a big round of applause.

1:59:30Linus Sebastian:The text says, I'm going to butcher this so maybe that is true but wozniak also had a good joke about computer engineers constantly trying to figure out how to make a brain and eventually learning that it takes about nine months to make a brain okay yeah i mean that's pretty good um yeah what a what a yeah i mean what an obvious thing to happen can you imagine not expect that can you imagine

2:00:00Luke Lafreniere:being a billionaire and going up in front of a bunch of students and thinking that they are going to be excited about our ai infused job market like i just i i it's a funny thing because i just it doesn't seem that hard to just kind of i don't know look at the front page of reddit once every week or two like i don't read a little bit of like news read like a comment section on like new york times article about ai you know just just just and maybe maybe this is a weird thing you know how my whole thing is that i actually consume comments often more than the actual source media and that's an instinct that either i had initially or has been kind of beaten into me because it's a huge part of how i've managed to stay reasonably successful on social media for so long is that I'm constantly looking at like, okay, well like, what is the room?

2:01:10Luke Lafreniere:And trying to read that versus just like, you know, what is the established narrative? To me, it's obvious that even if you like should definitely, you know, consume source media as well, seeing what people's sentiment about it is, is as important it can help you if you might have missed something uh totally totally it does yeah you're you're basically like you're you're crowdsourcing did the author miss anything sure you know what i mean yeah and and a lot of the time it's like it's for my own thing it's like i'll i'll read the comments on our video and i'll go oh yeah that's a really interesting perspective that we

2:01:50Linus Sebastian:didn't consider darn it you know i think they might also be conflating usage versus enjoyment segment um like i i think university age high school age kids are a very good microcosm for like they're going to use the current best tool available to not do the thing that they probably don't want to do um like there's there's going to be a lot of that they're going to use ai stuff that doesn't necessarily mean that they want to there's a lot of people like when you when when you're in university when i was in university there's a lot of energy of like this is what we want to do with our lives. I don't necessarily want to sit and study.

2:02:26Linus Sebastian:I don't necessarily want to just complete assignments, but I want to be a person who does this thing. And to use development, because that's just close to home. If you're in university trying to become a developer, I don't think you're super amped up on spec-driven development. I think you're excited about making things and making an impact on the world through your code and your output. I don't think you're super excited about sitting in a room writing a spec for something for two months before telling a computer to make it for you like that's not i think creating the spec has been the worst part of the job for most of these people forever and now it's a bigger part of the job so like it i think it's more interesting for entrepreneurial types and people who oh my god i just figured it out luke i just figured out how we got on this path what path this is all about like the revenge

2:03:16Luke Lafreniere:of the idea man yeah kind of like it's it's the power for so many years has been in the hands of the developers who could actually make things happen and the idea men got so sick of giving them money that they were like that they gave the money well what if we gave them money but we tricked them into making a new type of a new type of software so that the idea man holds all the

2:03:45Linus Sebastian:power now this is ridiculous well they still don't but uh yeah i mean obviously the direction that they want to go that's the clearly the the path yeah yeah they definitely still don't but

2:03:59Luke Lafreniere:that is definitely the path how do you think okay and this is a hypothetical because yeah i i don't i don't think oh man i'm afraid to i'm afraid to say this and and and be terribly wrong and it to be very terrible but i don't think someone ever someone clip this i don't think we're ever going to get to the point stream fails where there's no value in being able to read and understand and debug code manually because human expertise is is always going to going to have a value compared to a computer like sharting something out um but hypothetically suppose we reach a point where where you know the developer ultimately has no value because the ai just vibe codes anything for anyone any idea man who has an idea do you think that there will be a sentiment towards the creators of ai and i don't just mean the figureheads like the sam altman's of the world he's he's not actually you know sitting there day in day out at open ai you know coding ai laughing um yeah like do you think i'm talking i'm talking about the actual developers working for these guys do you think there's going to be like a like a an emotional like a sense of betrayal and like anger towards the people who develop the tools that killed development as a profession and as an industry.

2:05:36Luke Lafreniere:Remember, hypothetical, we reach the point where any idea man can just say, make this. No. You don't think so? I don't think so because

2:05:45Linus Sebastian:of whatever precedent already exists.

2:05:50Luke Lafreniere:So you don't think like ice harvesters were angry at the inventors of refrigeration at all?

2:05:59Linus Sebastian:or like you know horse barriers that was the question you're asking i thought you were asking where are the the people that aren't them angry at the uh you know the ice carriers that helped the refrigerator makers make the refrigerator the analogy doesn't work all right forget forget the ice maker the engineers that developed the first refrigerator were people mad at the engineers no i think they're mad at the business people so the business people i think they're mad at the managers and the business people they never seem to go after like so it won't matter

2:06:29Luke Lafreniere:who worked for those business people i don't think so but i think they'll be mad at the business

2:06:33Linus Sebastian:people yeah okay which is interesting to me because you definitely know what you're doing

2:06:39Luke Lafreniere:but the bag is so big some of them seem to and some of them don't seem to like i can't tell who's drinking the kool-aid and who's making the kool-aid sometimes you know what i'm saying

2:06:51Linus Sebastian:i think they know you think so the bag is just so big that they're just like whatever vb martino

2:06:57Luke Lafreniere:says at linus and luke i can tell you as someone who's developing local lomo cr models they are already angry at the devs yeah i don't think it's that much like you i and i'm sorry i'm not trying

2:07:09Linus Sebastian:to dismiss like i'm sure you have caught some flack i'm not trying to dismiss what has happened there i just when you when you look around online people are mad at sam altman people are mad at the

2:07:19Luke Lafreniere:companies yeah mr arco brings up a good point what's the point of being mad at the creators of ai when the person making me work with ai is my manager like as a developer well i mean see this is tough right also because you're not like forced to do anything but also you know especially if you work somewhere where your health care for instance is tied to your employment you could be quite like quite forced from like a like a health standpoint to continue doing the work that you're doing and it's not like right now um the job market is great for developers there's what's meta cutting 8 000 jobs right now or something like that over the next little while i have no idea uh i think i think it's something like that meta job cuts planned 8 000 in sweeping global layoffs over the next little while um yikes um yeah stryph 2002 put it better than i think i ever could i'm not forced to do anything but boy

2:08:25Linus Sebastian:do i like eating daily yeah but okay okay okay hold on sure because i hear this argument all the time sure i don't know that it's the most fair i mean anything is shades of gray do you need to eat daily do no no no okay do you need to eat that's crazy broccoli with every single meal I don't remember who it was, but there was someone who's like extremely against. Do you need to eat cake daily? Literally not even close to what I was saying. Very annoying. Anyways, there was someone recently who was talking about how they are very against a lot of these things. And the interviewer person was like, okay, what company do you work at?

2:09:07Linus Sebastian:And it was like, I don't remember, Northrop Grumman or something. Sure. And they were like, okay. Like you're practically protesting your own company, just doing it a roundabout way. And they were like, yeah. And they're like, well, why do you work there then? And they're like, well, I like the paycheck. And the paycheck was in like the very high six figures. Like we're not, I'm not talking about the people who, oh my God, I have to have this job or else I can't have like the minimum viable, reasonable life in Western society of like having food and a roof to sit under. sure i'm talking there are very very very high paid positions that are here to destroy jobs and that is their goal and people are taking those positions they are and then writing it off i'm

2:09:51Luke Lafreniere:like i gotta eat and i'm like bro relax so it sounds like to me like kind of your position is that you know when we talk about when we talk about taking the the the destroy to the destroy enjoy something hazard pay we're not talking about you know the people who are living check to check no we're talking and we're not obviously the figureheads are going to take their fair share of the blame but but then it's the gray it's always the gray area right like somewhere in the middle there is your middle management your upper management but not executive management

2:10:29Linus Sebastian:there's a lot of individual contributors in this i'm talking i'm talking i sees you just said

2:10:34Luke Lafreniere:middle management so someone who doesn't manage anybody they have no reports but they're making

2:10:39Linus Sebastian:you know 700 grand a year it's it's not even necessarily the it's it's i don't know it's it's it's an area where i think you should be able to reason with and accept the responsibility of your contribution to this thing and if you decide that that's okay this is like this is your your morality situation i just hate the like you know we've talked about this interview i've had in the past where somebody somebody was coming in and they were making big fat money at a company yeah And they were like, I don't morally align with the company anymore. I want to work somewhere else. And I was like, hey, sweet.

2:11:08Linus Sebastian:Yeah. And we get pretty far into the interview.

2:11:10Luke Lafreniere:We're somewhere else.

2:11:10Linus Sebastian:And then we end up figuring out that their budge room is zero. They want to work somewhere that they're morally happier, but they need to make exactly the same amount of money. And they were making fat stacks of money.

2:11:26Luke Lafreniere:Well, because there's really good money in abhorrent things.

2:11:31Linus Sebastian:Yeah. So like it's, you know, but I can't take it in the teeth financially, even though over the course of, you know, a decade I'm making millions of dollars, which is unnecessary for like, and I mean the S on the end of millions quite seriously. This was like close to double digit millions. Like this person was making a lot of money. Right. Like a very, very, very large amount of money. And they understand. Where the money comes from. Yeah. Yeah, but then they're unwilling to take a lower amount of money, which, you know, and I'm not trying to say, like, we are the, you know, float plane is the saints of the world.

2:12:08Linus Sebastian:Nope. But I don't think we're destroying anything. Yeah, I think we're fine. But, like, it's not, you know, they're not resuscitating puppies or something. um so like it's it's but like you have to kind of decide where your line is and i think you have to understand if you're working on the the you know the um the body grinder for food of turning humans into soylent if you are making it a more viable thing you have to accept that you're doing that

2:12:37Luke Lafreniere:sydney broke it in float plane chats that goes i had palantir recruiters coming to me and it was a huge salary bump more than double what i made at the time yeah but i was able to live comfortably with what i made and also spend money on float plane i added that part uh and i knew what was up all this is to say if you're at those companies doing the destructive destructive work you have options it's all about the bag this is my point and i'm not even necessarily condemning

2:13:03Linus Sebastian:them for taking it i'm just saying that they need to know that they did where's your like

2:13:08Luke Lafreniere:If you could pick a line, where's your line? Because there are people scrubbing the floor at Palantir that are making$15 an hour minimum wage or whatever. Because they have health coverage, presumably. I don't even know if they would. It's probably contractors.

2:13:29Linus Sebastian:I think the line shifts depending on financial obligations. Maybe you have a family member who's a dependent and you're in the States. or that is incredibly expensive a medical situation yeah exactly like like the line might shift a lot someone might actually like there might be someone who needs one of these crazy high-paying jobs to make it so that like they're they're uh a family member isn't in excruciating constant pain okay because of american medical system or whatever so basically

2:13:58Luke Lafreniere:you're saying it's variable depending on like kind of survival so now i'm going to john valjean this At what point, then, if a certain, a given job, so we look at the compensation for, you know, a job that we might be, you know, morally okay with, we look at the compensation for a job that we might find morally reprehensible. uh if we needed even more you know for survival or to save a family member to if would we steal the loaf of bread at a certain point would you say okay well it's the next logical step makes sense or is there is the legal line the line i yeah i don't know if this is probably take it all

2:14:42Linus Sebastian:if if people can't eat and are starving steal that damn bread bro i've never had a problem with this

2:14:48Luke Lafreniere:ever so we jean valjean it i it has never bothered me do we take the silverware immediately after we're let out of prison though are you familiar with les mis no okay so so it's a it's a it's a terrible time in in france this is pre-revolution and um jean valjean is sort of the also steal the bread especially in canada my god yeah we have kind of like a bread cartel it's like sort of a thing it's weird comedian politics no one is going to care about strange country yeah go for it dude

2:15:24Linus Sebastian:grocery stores in canada are a corrupt mess and bread is right in the middle of it so don't worry

2:15:31Luke Lafreniere:about it you're not going to care we can move on so uh so so jean valjean is um i i don't know is he the protagonist of lame is is either is either he's he's certainly uh a character around which the story centers i would call i would call him the protagonist so he um he has a family member who is who is starving and he an upstanding citizen who had never broken a law before in his life uh stole food to to keep them from to basically prevent someone from dying essentially and he immediately is caught and it's just like it's one of those things where like the career criminal you know never gets caught and the honest citizen who doesn't like know how to crime just immediately gets caught the very first time that he did something that from a moral standpoint really doesn't seem that bad it was from he stole from someone who could clearly afford it you know he goes to prison for years and the reason is not actually necessarily entirely because he stole the loaf of bread but because he panicked and he ran and so the the punishment uh was so much greater because because he panicked and and he ran away um when he's let out he his life is is uh is destroyed by having spent all this time in prison yeah you know he he has he's a convict now he has no means of of gaining gainful employment um and he kind of looks at and he goes well well how else am i now supposed to eat if not by continuing this is a whole very interesting of course yeah it's a great play have you ever seen it no oh it's so good anyway but like the

2:17:24Linus Sebastian:whole idea that the criminal system creates career criminals and all this kind of stuff yeah so he

2:17:28Luke Lafreniere:um so so he's he's on the street and um and and a church you know takes him in to to to you know just have a like a place to sleep um like they did at some point and and based in in his in his sort of desperation he uh he takes the the silverware from the from the meal that they that they shared with him and um as he's leaving his parole officer um catches him with the bag of silverware and um and what what happens is the uh the bishop or like whatever the like the clergyman uh comes out and uh when when the parole officer uh jean valjean's explanation is they gave it to me and the parole officer asks uh well you know diddy and the and the clergyman says oh you forgot the finest piece and gives that to him as well even though he hadn't known that he had stolen it and um it's it's kind of a turning point for for jean valjean's life but i think that's the part where the story goes from kind of based in reality to to fiction because he uses it the clergyman sits with him after the the parole officer leaves and he goes okay look you and i both know what happened here the deal is you use this to become an honest man and he does and um i forget how i forget how i got onto this subject but i guess my point is uh yeah yeah yeah super based um but at what point has he made enough or so if he reaches that point where he you know gets to law breaking you know is there a moral obligation then to scale back to the abhorrent job and then scale back to the non-abhorrent job like where like is there is there like a morality ladder that you climb and i'm climbing how does this work i think the reason why I was saying like, you know, if you're doing those things, uh, I, I basically just want you to

2:19:36Linus Sebastian:recognize it. I'm not sitting here trying to condemn you is because I think everyone's line has to be drawn themselves. Um, I think there are things that I could look at in the corporate world that are, and I personally see as like, I will never do this unless it's like basically life or death and it's like a job. So it's just never going to happen. Um, but I could also see someone having a different opinion on those things and thinking, you know, maybe they believe in a, in a more optimistic or brighter future of this certain type of technology or whatever else. And I think that's up to you. I'm not going to try to sit here and be a, um, you know, holier than thou on, on everything.

2:20:20Linus Sebastian:Um, my, my reason for that example, and there's, you know i've had people reach out before and we're like how are you talking about me on wansho this has happened so many times you have no idea i'm not talking about you i'm talking in vague terms go away um but uh the the example of like people coming and having an interview and being like yo i make really high six figures a year but i i hate my job i hate what we do it like preys on society all this kind of stuff i hate my hours i hate my hours that's another one and then us being like yeah we don't overwork your hours and we're mostly just kind of chill and then being like, cool, well, I need the same amount that I'm making and then balking at the fact that that's not even close to what's going to happen.

2:20:59Linus Sebastian:That's where I kind of look at the situation. I'm like, bro, like, come on, you need to be more real with yourself. The person in Flowplane chat who's like, yeah, Palantir approached me, but I looked at my situation was like, I'm fine. And then said, no, that person drew their own moral line. Right. And was like, you know what? I don't like Palantir. So basically what it boils down to. That was up to them. And I think that's important.

2:21:20Luke Lafreniere:You can't stand hypocrisy. I think so.

2:21:22Linus Sebastian:Is what it pretty much comes down to. And there's like just so much of it, especially when it comes to literally anything that could affect a person financially. Yeah. I think there's lots of examples of this. I mean, piracy is a great example that comes up often on our show.

2:21:37Luke Lafreniere:Piracy is a huge one. No idea why. I... You okay, Dan? No.

2:21:50Linus Sebastian:um and i i think there's like service issue arguments there like but everything everything

2:21:55Luke Lafreniere:is going to get super security arguments there with respect to piracy or ad block or sorry did did i say two different words or were they the same word i can't i can't tell but there

2:22:03Linus Sebastian:is like actual genuine sizable security issues with adblock malvertising is absolutely it's absolutely a thing so it's it's everything has gray areas and nuances to it which is again another one of the big reasons why I don't want to sit here and be like an arbiter of your morals then why do you keep talking about how much you hate hamburgers I'm so tired of it Lou hot dogs will not stand for this I just yeah I just think it's kind of interesting to me when like you you know there's there's you know there's engineers at some of these companies making millions um but they just you know they don't have reports they're just like superstar engineers at these companies and everyone will look at like just sam altman and it's like no

2:22:49Linus Sebastian:there's more than that yeah and you know they might be completely fine with what they're making there there's a lot of people in the tech space that just believe in accelerationism and they want to just charge tech forward and they they believe that it will be a net good and

2:23:05Luke Lafreniere:all that kind of stuff and i don't those are the ones i was talking about earlier the ones that are

2:23:09Linus Sebastian:that are drinking it yeah like i i but i don't even think that's like i think they are self-generating kool-aid and also drinking it like i think there's people that are just totally in it they're not like getting convinced by by the buddy sam or anybody else it just totally makes sense to them i think that i think that's a non-insignificant amount of people i think there's also like entire basically cultures um like i've heard there are countries where it is way more accepted than it is in north america like ai or acceleration oh sure yeah like like it is just widely accepted by i mean

2:23:44Luke Lafreniere:piracy is another example of that there's entire countries where piracy is just like well yeah

2:23:50Linus Sebastian:that's like how you get how you acquire things yeah i'm not paying north american dollars for this yeah that's never that's stupid yeah yeah i would rather eat this month um eating is cool yeah yeah it's a it's an interesting world um where were what topic was this the youth are

2:24:10Luke Lafreniere:booing ai yeah that's funny right nice uh oh hey another good news for good news wan show we have a new plan for the wan show channel we hear you guys loud and clear having the live broadcasts and the clips on the same channel does not work for those of you who still believe in subscription feeds bless your hearts um so we are either going to rebrand the wanshow channel eclipse channel and then all the clips will that are already there are there and then it'll get new clips or because we've got so many people accustomed to watching the live stream there and that's kind of the more important thing to us for now uh we are going to have that be the new wanshow channel and we'll make a new new clips channel so stay tuned uh we'll just have to work through the rebranding conversation internally and we'll figure that all out but we hear you guys we hear you and we have a plan we have a concept of a plan and another group that has a plan wow

2:25:09Linus Sebastian:is this the microsoft show uh this is great news microsoft is ditching sms two-factor microsoft says that it will be getting rid of sms or text message two-factor uh due to it being a leading source of fraud, which it absolutely is. Like, why

2:25:24Luke Lafreniere:are they... Microsoft leading the trial? Good job. Good job. Good job, Microsoft.

2:25:30Linus Sebastian:Instead, Microsoft is moving towards passkey and email verification. Cool. Yeah. New Microsoft accounts are already going this route, only allowing those two for security options, but this change will be rolling back to older accounts over the next little while, which totally makes sense. That is an appropriate way to do that.

2:25:48Luke Lafreniere:Wait. Are we not getting, like, like authentication codes we're only getting past keys and email verification

2:25:56Linus Sebastian:uh i i don't prefer that uh we can also be going this road only allowing those two okay i think i

2:26:05Luke Lafreniere:misinterpreted that braille cortex says oh this is gonna screw up so much at work we have a bunch of users with phones too old for authenticator apps that may be an issue like you

2:26:30Luke Lafreniere:like what are you what are you talking about buddy

2:26:35Linus Sebastian:braille cortex hold on android 5.0 can support google authenticate denrick says

2:26:43Luke Lafreniere:ran into this as well. We had to get them company... Oh, so this is a bring your own device thing. People are bringing their own device. Maybe they're in a developing country or something. They're using ancient... What would that be?

2:27:00Linus Sebastian:12 plus year old lollipop Android phones still support it.

2:27:08Luke Lafreniere:Lollipop still support it.

2:27:09Linus Sebastian:So Jellybean and KitKat would not support it so stuff we were talking about when we were at ncix

2:27:19Luke Lafreniere:oh npc it brings up a really good point there are places that can't do smart devices like if you work at a super secure facility so you'd be able to get your 2fa via sms but via no like internet connected means that's interesting luola says byod was a miss is a mistake always was

2:27:39Linus Sebastian:yeah but like it's also a lot cheaper and my god is it a lot cheaper and a lot of people don't want

2:27:45Luke Lafreniere:to haul around two of everything yeah i used to carry two phones i had my personal phone and i had like a dumb phone and then i had my work iphone i have or blackberry rather at the time

2:27:54Linus Sebastian:i guess for different reasons i have android and ios all the time so i can poke into floatplane

2:27:59Luke Lafreniere:but like the second that i was able to use my work cell phone plan and not pay my personal plan anymore i was like yep and i can just use that on the device i choose yep the only line in

2:28:12Linus Sebastian:this that really stands out to me and i'm concerned about and might not be accurate is that they're only allowing those two options because like the the you know uh secure no internet connected devices workplace thing you could use physical security keys like yubi keys um you could i think the pass key route would still be a little bit stronger in those cases, but still you have some concerns there.

2:28:38Luke Lafreniere:This is interesting.

2:28:39Linus Sebastian:I struggle to see Microsoft disallowing hardware keys.

2:28:44Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, hopefully it's just getting rid of SMS. Let's hope. D Hollander says, this is an issue I've almost run into. I have to have a smartphone for work. They do not provide one i must allow work to manage my personal device but i pay 100 of the cost for it that sounds illegal doesn't samsung have uh like that knox thing where you can like have personal and work profiles and stuff google has that too do they okay yeah and that's been for a long time that's been for like over 10 years now uh i does uh does the iphone have that so this is interesting wiley giraffe says illegal and mcgarnagle says illegal but i'm trying to think have we ever run it oh right but we don't manage people's devices so i guess that's the difference because like i think we kind of pretty much require people to have a phone right i'm like can you can you work here and like not have a smartphone and be functional i don't think you can get in the building without a smartphone i mean i can no yes yes you can yes you can we have the fobs okay yeah that's true yeah i'm also exclusive but it's glued to my phone yeah well i need my phone that's not what we're talking about to get in a building is okay so hold on let's let's work through it let's work through it so you can you can fob into the building without a phone you can obviously log into your workstation without a phone can you log into accounts can you can you do we have a 2FA option that does not require your phone it's kind of dependent you could use 2FA on your laptop the account that it is but yeah you could use 2FA on your laptop like creative cloud i think cat uses uses uh like one time password yeah no i don't think i have to yeah

2:30:29Linus Sebastian:but you can store you can store 2FA things in a password manager oh right this is true okay so

2:30:36Luke Lafreniere:yeah keeper keeper keeper can be used as your as your 2FA and your password manager which It makes me a little uncomfortable, so I don't. But, yeah.

2:30:45Linus Sebastian:They swear up and down. It's fine.

2:30:46Luke Lafreniere:I think it is fine for probably most accounts. I'm sure it's fine. And I just am not going to do it. And that's fine, too. That's where I'm at on it. Okay. So is there anything that you'd have to... Like, no, Teams, you could technically do on your work-issued device. We issue desktops and or laptops to everyone. you could you could work here without a smartphone i think it would hurt your effectiveness for sure yeah like it would suck like when we did our disney trip you know you wouldn't have been able to coordinate with people very easily if you like didn't have one i guess you could swap phone numbers with people though i guess that would work but you wouldn't be in any like group chats not i think group chats is probably the thing i'd miss most about not having a smartphone group chats are pretty useful like i have like elderly relatives right now and the only reasonable way to like have everybody be on the same page about like what's going on with sort of working through some of their financial stuff and like medical stuff is a good group chat i i'm open to you guys having like other ideas for how to do that but i really just i i can't think of any other equally effective way

2:32:07Luke Lafreniere:um yeah never really thought about it so yeah someone could someone could work here they could have no smartphone i'd be like what you know it would be interesting to see like uh i think it

2:32:23Linus Sebastian:would significantly impair their job performance enough that it would be a problem actually because like if they're up and about and they can't get notifications and stuff like trying to find them yeah no rod says just carry around your laptop i used to do that on campus all the time open all the time yeah i do that i totally did that mesh networking is pretty good yeah i figured out yeah yeah uh give them an ipad parallelogram asks um no ameria asks but are

2:32:54Luke Lafreniere:they allowed to work there if they have an lg wing or would they be banned on principle that's a good question i i feel like if someone showed up at an interview they'd become a like

2:33:04Linus Sebastian:intercompany micro celebrity you think so they actively use an lg wing rocks the wing day to

2:33:10Luke Lafreniere:day yeah i think we actually require that uh as a disclosure during the application process do you use a wing or not use a wing or not and um and then hr handles it from there yeah so so what What would that be if we don't hire them? Are we wingist? You know that he owns a monitor meme?

2:33:27Linus Sebastian:That would be a meme of like they own a wing.

2:33:31Luke Lafreniere:We have a wall ready to put the picture of that person. How big? It's like one of the building sizes. All right. Harold Doe says all of our employees are certified wing chads. We don't hire anyone who seems well adjusted. What a hiring policy that would be. Why don't we jump into another topic here? I'm just going to close that one. A contractor for the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, also known as CISA, maintained a public GitHub repository called Private-CISA that exposed plain text passwords, AWS GovCloud administrative credentials, private keys, and tokens. The repository was up for roughly six months before it was taken down on May the 15th.

2:34:34Luke Lafreniere:It was discovered on May 14th by Guillaume Valadon, a researcher at the security firm GitGuardian. In my head, Ken and Moe, is that they're called GitGuardian from now on, which constantly scans public code repositories for exposed secrets. Valadon called it the worst leak that I've witnessed in my career. And just to put that in context, this is someone who, for a job, scans public code repositories for exposed secrets. Valadon said he initially thought the repository was a hoax because the directories and file names were almost too obvious to be real. Sorry, this qualifies for Good News WAN show just because it's funny.

2:35:19Folders included all backups, backup-april-2006, sorry, yeah, 2026,

2:35:32Luke Lafreniere:kubernetes-important-yaml-files, and intraspaceid-samlcertificates. files included were things like important aws tokens.txt

2:35:52Luke Lafreniere:external-secret-repo-creds.yml

2:35:58Linus Sebastian:yaml labs matt in full plane chat said he titled his private though they shouldn't have looked

2:36:04Luke Lafreniere:and that's a good point scrappy dp ask well what would you have named them fair enough I guess aws-workspace-firefox-passwords.csv listed plain text usernames and passwords for dozens of internal CISA systems, including one called lz-dso, which appears to be short for Landing Zone DevSecOps, the agency's secure code development environment. In total, the repository held 844 megabytes of production infrastructure material, including tokens for CISA's internal JFrog artifactory, Azure registry keys, AWS credentials, Kubernetes manifests, Argo CD application files, Terraform infrastructure code, GitHub personal access tokens, and EntraID SAML certificates.

2:36:59Luke Lafreniere:The commit history shows that the CISA administrator specifically disabled github's default setting that blocks users from publishing ssh keys and other secrets in public repositories the archive even included explicit commands documenting how to turn off github's secret detection feature like seriously it seems like a honeypot right like how just obviously brain dead it is we're not done yet yeah on top of that there's a hell of a drug many of the leaked credentials used easily guessed passwords several followed the pattern of the platform's name followed by the current year philip catrigoli catrigoli philip c founder of the security consultancy seralis tested the exposed aws keys and confirmed they were still valid granting high privilege access to three AWS GovCloud accounts.

2:38:01Luke Lafreniere:He said the archive also included plain text credentials to CISA's internal artifactory, which he described as a prime place for an attacker to move laterally and plant back doors into the software the agency builds and deploys. The repository belonged to an employee of a company called Nightwing, which is a government contractor based in Dulles, Virginia. The employee used both a CISA-issued contractor email and a personal Yahoo email across the same commits, and the repository was created using a a personal GitHub account.

2:38:33Luke Lafreniere:But Philippe said, the pattern is consistent with somebody using the repo as a scratch workspace, as well as to synchronize files between a work laptop and a home computer. GitGuardian first reported the leak through the official portal on May 14th, but only received an auto-acknowledgement. After Valadon also alerted security journalist Brian Krebs, CISA took the repository offline, but it took until 6 p.m. Eastern on Friday, May the 15th. Okay. The exposed AWS keys remained valid for another 48 hours after the repository was deleted. All right. Validon noted that the repository was never forked based on public GitHub events, which suggests the secrets were probably not widely circulated.

2:39:15Luke Lafreniere:Only GitHub itself can answer that definitively, though. The incident comes while CSS operating with reduced staffing and budget. Since the current administration took office, the agency has lost nearly a third of its workforce, has not had a senate confirmed director and is now facing a proposed budget cut of around 707 million dollars too bad it wasn't 404 million we could have said budget not found yeah that would have been nice that would have been funny it didn't happen though no so it's not funny our ding our discussion question is it feels like cyber security events like this have been happening more and more why do you think that is well i think it could be the budget cut of 707 million dollars maybe well it could be to do with it that could be part of that could be a contributing factor there's a lot of contributing factors i think i think general global stress

2:40:02Linus Sebastian:is really high right now which can contribute to human error uh i think budget cuts can be brutal uh ai involvement has clearly increased bugs with a lot of different platforms lately that's been

2:40:14Luke Lafreniere:fairly trackable i think it's pretty tough for the public sector to attract uh top level contributors when the private sector and crime pay so much more um it's definitely a thing i mean you just

2:40:27Linus Sebastian:look at like uh nasa rates versus rates of something like spacex or blue origin dude i

2:40:32Luke Lafreniere:through some way found out what like a super smart like like a doctor who is a lot smarter than me like like not like medical doctor you get what i mean like doctorate doctor uh i found out what they were making at nasa doing like crazy important shit and i was like what the fuck like like without outing anybody or you know whatever disclosing people's salaries like we have people here who know here like we have people here who do like no offense to them but like way less important stuff that dan get out of here did you did you turn your camera yeah that's so funny oh my god yeah like i was like oh man john br asks but do they have a plus certification maybe not that's a good point that's why i i don't work at nasa i i do that's the reason i do it seriously though like we like i was just looking at it going like oh man they must just really believe in the mission which makes it all the more sad to see what's been happening with like budgets there and and them getting like pushed and pulled in every which direction instead of having like a clear 0.4 mission or something let's let's set up a base on the moon with

2:41:57Linus Sebastian:0.4 percent of the budget get rid of the thing let's let's spend more than that entire budget on like two months of shutting down a straight in the middle of nowhere ruining the world's economy be anyways uh next topic i like expensive fuel next topic i'm a big fan yeah you would be right now i love it it's so good speaking of being a big fan new lifetime plex pass pricing the good news wancho twist on this i guess is jellyfin we're gonna yeah we're gonna promote alternatives to plex yeah uh on july 1st plex pass triples in price to 750 this is after it more than doubled in price from 120 to 250 back in march of 2025 that was that was just over a year ago for those keeping score at home yeah the blog post mentions thoughts of removing the lifetime pass entirely since subscriptions make more money the lifetime plex pass holders will see no changes because you

2:42:50Luke Lafreniere:already have it there i mean that's actually pretty based i want to just throw them a bone here oh man i hate that that's the world i hate that that's the but that's the bar luke that's the bar we're dealing with yeah okay um uh there will be no changes to subscription pricing at this time

2:43:08Linus Sebastian:that those last three words are key at this time uh there there is still a list of features being worked on they're planning improvements to download support for playlists and a bunch of other things well no i think some of this matters uh does it because we're gonna promote alternatives

2:43:23Luke Lafreniere:we are but give us a sec music and photo library support restored in the mobile apps that's something that used to be part of Plex Pass and then just was unceremoniously yoinked away, even though it was actually really cool. New experience on TV apps, support for NFO metadata. All server and library management features currently available on the TV app will be added to the mobile apps. That's actually pretty cool. Audio enhancements such as boosting dialogue and normalizing loudness. Don't need that. That should be handled. Yeah, I guess on mobile that could be pretty useful. Additional transcoding video improvements.

2:43:54Luke Lafreniere:That sounds cool. IPv6 support. That sounds cool. however last time i checked which admittedly was a you know little while ago 750 was still a lot of money um the the couple of what a flex what a way to flex what that's 750 a lot of money the last time you checked was a while ago no i just mean we were talking about inflation earlier okay and how how like you know a quarter was actually worth something when i was a kid and now is like not But the last time I checked,$750 is still a lot of money.

2:44:32Luke Lafreniere:What was I talking about? Right, okay. So I want to get this out of the way first. Here are the things to Plex's credit. To Plex's credit, they are announcing this ahead of time. You are getting a chance to get in at that price of$250. it is probably a strat to drive people to spend 250 today as opposed to maybe a hope that they'll spend 750 tomorrow but i still appreciate a warning i mean i said the same thing when nintendo announced the switch to price increase yeah i'd rather know ahead of time and have an opportunity if it was something i was saving up for i'd like to get a chance to go oh okay then I'll better do it now.

2:45:15Luke Lafreniere:I appreciate that they're making no changes to the lifetime Plex Pass. So if you bought in a lifetime Plex Pass years and years and years ago for a much much lower rate, they're not messing with that. I hate that that's the bar but there's a ton of precedent for companies being like, well we need the money so f*** you and Plex didn't do that. That's it. That's all I got. Plex

2:45:40Linus Sebastian:alternatives let's talk about them uh mb a fork of xbox media center um yeah functionality yeah and it supports up to 25 devices there's a note here from i believe ploof yep that says i've used mb it's pretty easy to set up and use there's also jellyfin the current like community darling as far as i can tell uh also client server functionality free hardware transcoding and tons of customization and open source af which is pretty based yeah and then you've got cody which is formerly xbox media center uh no client server functionality but otherwise it's pretty

2:46:18Luke Lafreniere:good for local playback our discussion question is what alternatives are viewers using what do you guys like jellyfin is love jellyfin is life yeah a lot of that going around it's gonna be a lot of people saying jellyfin um i had an interesting chat with uh mr john p ceo of eshtech investment disclosure they make hex os which is a uh uh based on true nas nas operating system uh they are like going hard at uh easy like as as close to one touch as possible app installs over the next little bit. And this news has kicked their hineys into gear. He told me they are actively, they just released six more apps and are planning one to two a week for many weeks ahead.

2:47:05Luke Lafreniere:The team wants to prioritize a few new curations in recognition of Plexus price increases. We are actively working on Flatter, which is a Jellyfin front end, Jellystat, which is a statistic tracker for Jellyfin. He says he thinks MB as well. And Sear, which is a media request tracker for jellyfin mb and plex as well and says they're going to prioritize that and hopefully we're going to get a chance in the next little bit to do a video about it because i'm just getting real tired of the issues that i'm having with plex like i'm a lifetime passholder so this literally doesn't affect me at all there's no financial reason for me to change off of plex my reasons for changing off the plex are what a buggy mess it's been they've been so focused on fast free head supported tv and like becoming a legit media platform that they've forgotten their tricorn hat roots and their product for people who just have media files that they want to organize and they just want to stream them to their devices i forget how i started the sentence whatever they they have it's been they have made it they've made it a bad experience for the core functionality that sold people on the app and then they sit here and go gee why is everyone so desperate to build alternatives to this like guys because i don't care about plex tv i just want to browse my stuff get your stuff out of the way i don't care that's why

2:48:41Luke Lafreniere:like uh here i'm gonna see if i uh i'm gonna see if i still uh if i'm still having this issue this may be unique to my folding phone that's it's a tough thing it's one of the worst things about having a folding phone is that whenever you encounter a bug yeah you have no way of knowing is this a bug with the software is this a bug with the hardware or is this just a bug with my stupid folding phone uh restart here we go play original quality

2:49:16Luke Lafreniere:yeah okay so the super weird issue with my adventure time rips look at this just flashing yeah and if i transcode it goes away i never had this problem before with the exact same files that i've had for years and years and years uh like i think i think i put i think i ripped my adventure time discs when i was still living at my old place so this would have been like four or five years ago never had this issue before and now it's doing that it's like okay cool how how hard is it to play it like play that's your core functionality play the media file over the network that's like if you can't do that why what are we even talking about what are we even doing here and i just don't know how to i don't know how to like deal with that come on plex i'm actually still rooting for you and you know what oh right i forgot my third i forgot my third silver lining point is that hey at least they still offer a lifetime subscription or a lifetime pass like we've talked extensively about hating the move to creative cloud and yearned for the$700 software mines, right?

2:50:33Luke Lafreniere:Because, I mean, that's what it used to cost, a ton of flipping money. Adobe software used to cost hundreds and hundreds of dollars for that perpetual license. And we kind of went, well, yeah, but at least we could buy it. So to their credit, at least you can still buy a perpetual license, which they have shown that they are at least until now willing to honor, which is something, but still not a lot. And I'm really excited to... Dan, can you throw a poll into the float plane chat? I want to know which one I should try first. Jellyfin, MB, or Cody? I want the people to vote for me. Flipping polls are still...

2:51:05Luke Lafreniere:It's going to be Jellyfin. I already know the answer. A little broken. Throw Firefox in there for good measure.

2:51:09Linus Sebastian:Yeah. And Turnip, because anyone still knows that reference.

2:51:13Luke Lafreniere:Oh, my goodness. Remember when we did the shirt?

2:51:16Linus Sebastian:Did we do a Turnip shirt?

2:51:18Luke Lafreniere:I think so, yeah. Wow. You want to pick another one? Sure. wait oh we're supposed to do sponsors sure

2:51:32Luke Lafreniere:did we ever actually do this though

2:51:34Linus Sebastian:whoa

2:51:39Luke Lafreniere:I don't remember that shirt at all no I don't think we actually did that we might have done something similar am I gaslighting myself

2:51:46Linus Sebastian:dude I was trying to find the Linus jump game from the verified actual gamer program I was trying to find any evidence of that the other day, and it was hard. I found a video of somebody on YouTube playing it, but it was not... Okay. No, it existed.

2:52:03Luke Lafreniere:I don't think it existed like that. No, no, no. I know. Jellyfin has won. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was expected. And it looks like Firefox and gaslighting aren't real, are like neck and neck. That makes sense. That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense. How many polls did you make? Two. Yeah, I already told you guys. Okay, well, I didn't know it was that broken. It's broken. There's like five of them. Cool, thanks. I did one earlier about the orphan crushing machine. I just mean, that's like... That's three. So you're saying... Okay, so you're saying it's beta, but in the Linux software definition of beta.

2:52:38Luke Lafreniere:No, it's not beta.

2:52:39Linus Sebastian:I have three developers.

2:52:41Luke Lafreniere:Oh, this is fraud.

2:52:42Linus Sebastian:That's what I'm saying. Ah. Ah. Thank you, Todd Howard.

2:52:48Luke Lafreniere:Oh, man. All right. Where are we at? Oh, yeah, right.

2:52:52Linus Sebastian:We're going to do sponsors. Everybody wants a TV app. Nobody wants to do TV app type stuff. Yeah, Roku is terrible.

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2:55:45Linus Sebastian:something everyone that sees this is gonna do that with theirs now i'm a trendsetter like that yeah yeah i want that as my work ringtone i'm gonna cut that out after the show More topics! Yes, Altman beats Musk in the embarrassing AI trial. Yeah. Have you been following this at all?

2:56:09Luke Lafreniere:Only a little bit. They just both end up looking like assholes.

2:56:13Linus Sebastian:Yeah, okay. I thought the embarrassing thing was embarrassing specifically for Musk. I feel like this was just embarrassing for everyone. On Monday, a federal...

2:56:23Luke Lafreniere:I'm embarrassed just reading about it. The whole thing's just so dumb. I love it.

2:56:27Linus Sebastian:On Monday, a federal jury in Oakland unanimously ruled against Elon Musk in his lawsuit against OpenAI and Sam Altman. A bit of background on how we got here. Musk and Altman co-founded OpenAI with other people as a non-profit back in 2015 to counter Google's potential dominance in AI. Yeah, have that work out for them. Which they are just going to have anyways. After about two years and$38 million in donations from Musk, he left over a disagreement about who would run the company.

2:56:55Luke Lafreniere:And now, I don't want to spoil it for you, if you don't know already, but Musk thought he should be CEO of yet another company.

2:57:04Linus Sebastian:Yeah, this is missing some details, I think. Okay, let's see here. OpenEye then opened a for-profit subsidiary and took billions of dollars from Microsoft. Yeah, this is missing some details, I believe. The him leaving over who would run the company is that he, I believe, even suggested that they should make a for-profit portion of the company. And he was trying to push himself to be the majority shareholder and the CEO and then left over that. So it's not that he left because he was frustrated about leadership and then they just did the for-profit thing. He was wanting them to go down that line and then left because they didn't vote him to be the coolest kid of the Cool Kids Club.

2:57:45Linus Sebastian:that for-profit subsidiary is now valued at close to a trillion dollars and he's like give me give me my money uh musk has been asking the court for up to 134 billion dollars in damages cool uh the reversal of open ai's transformation uh into a for-profit company because he has a competitor now so would love for them to not exist and does he have a competitor though uh technically yeah Okay, sure. And Sam Altman's removal from OpenAI entirely. His core argument was that Altman, other OpenAI executives, and Microsoft had stolen a charity, meaning they had solicited his early donations under a nonprofit mission and then turned the company into one of those most valuable for-profit businesses in the world.

2:58:30Linus Sebastian:The jury rejected all of that, finding that Musk's charitable trust claims against OpenAI, Altman, and Microsoft were barred by the statute of limitations.

2:58:40Luke Lafreniere:So basically, yeah, it was interesting because they didn't necessarily completely reject his argument, but it also doesn't matter because it happened ages ago and you're only mad about this now because what they did worked.

2:58:56Linus Sebastian:He's been mad about it for quite a while.

2:58:57Luke Lafreniere:Well, only mad enough to actually do anything about it now that it's worth something.

2:59:03Linus Sebastian:That's interesting. That feels like a lame dismissal for me. But anyways, with the lawsuit out of the way, OpenAI is now planning to file for an IPO. Wow, even more in the coming days or weeks with the goal of going public this fall. So we'll have SpaceX and this slamming their rods into the stock market.

2:59:23Luke Lafreniere:Dude, the gambling market, sorry, I mean stock market, is going to be a wild ride over the next bit.

2:59:29Linus Sebastian:Yeah. The victory is somewhat hollow, though. Even though OpenAI won the case, weeks of testimony brought a lot of damaging stuff into the public record. Multiple former executives resurfaced concerns about Sam Altman's management and trustworthiness, including the issues that led to his brief firing as CEO back in 2023.

2:59:48Luke Lafreniere:Can you believe that that was only three years ago? Yeah, pretty well. That feels like a lifetime ago in terms of how fast all this stuff's been moving. Yeah, it has been nuts.

2:59:59Linus Sebastian:Musk says that he's not giving up. His attorney compared the loss to the early setbacks the American colonies faced against the British during the Revolutionary War and said they plan to appeal. Wow. That's awesome. A lot of analysts expect this whole court case was Musk's attempt to trip up – I've heard this a lot – to trip up OpenAI's IPO plans so that he can IPO with XAI first. And there's a lot of arguments that he doesn't even expect to win. He's just trying to tie them up. It's very, very interesting. The reason for the race, according to analysts, is that there isn't enough free capital in the world to support two IPOs at the scale, two companies IPOing with over a trillion dollar market valuations.

3:00:48Linus Sebastian:So whoever IPO is second might be left in the dregs. They also warn, more generally, that capital movement of the scale could cause significant volatility in the market and the stock market. And with SpaceX and this happening both within this year, it's going to be fun to watch. Discussion question. Do you think any of the stuff that came out about Altman during the trial actually hurts OpenAI heading into the IPO? Or is the hype cycle too strong to be impacted? I think people's morals completely stop existing when it comes to money and no one's going to care.

3:01:22Luke Lafreniere:I think that anyone who cared that Sam Altman's kind of a douchebag knows it already. Yep. In the same way that anyone who cares that Musk is kind of a douchebag knows it already. I think anyone who cares that they're both untrustworthy knows it already. And I don't think anything about this trial changed any of that.

3:01:42Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I don't think so either. Very cool. Next topic. Samsung Electronics has narrowly avoided an 18-day chip strike after reaching a last-minute tentative wage deal with its labor union on Wednesday, just hours before nearly 48 ,000 workers were due to walk out.

3:02:02Luke Lafreniere:This is actually very good news, because that would have been pretty bad.

3:02:07Linus Sebastian:Yeah, it's also really cool for the workers. The walkout had been scheduled to run from May 21st through June 7th, and the agreement only came together after South Korea's labor minister stepped in to restart talks that had previously collapsed.

3:02:21Luke Lafreniere:Dude, this has been looking like they weren't going to make a deal. And it's not like SK Hynex can just absorb all the Samsung workers. Because they have like, dude, have you seen SK Hynex's deal? like what i think it's 15 of net profit this wouldn't have affected them at all like that

3:02:42Linus Sebastian:of the workers because it would have just diluted the workers take sorry no no i just mean they

3:02:48Luke Lafreniere:don't have enough jobs to absorb them all so samsung's like samsung's workers to put them in we're not yeah they were not simply just going to be able to like all walk into other jobs there would have been a lot of loss for 48 000 people over this labor action yeah and samsung and just the general DRAM supply of the world would have also been... This would have been just terrible for everyone if they didn't reach a deal. Yeah. Well, they technically haven't yet. Sorry, carry on.

3:03:14Linus Sebastian:Yeah. The fight was over how to split bonuses from Samsung's booming AI chip business. The union had pushed for Samsung to allocate 15 % of annual operating profit to a worker bonus pool and to scrap an existing cap that limited bonuses to 50 % of an employee's annual salary. which compared to SK Hynix would be brutal. Samsung had resisted that demand, arguing that profit sharing across the company was complicated because its memory division is making a fortune off AI demand, while its logic and foundry divisions are performing much worse. The tentative deal sets up a new bonus pool with 12 % of operating profit in Samsung's semiconductor division.

3:03:57Linus Sebastian:That breaks down to 10.5 % paid in stock, plus 1.5 % paid in cash. Gosh, I feel like right now you want that.

3:04:05Luke Lafreniere:That sounds pretty good based on how things are probably going to go over the next couple of years. Yeah.

3:04:10Linus Sebastian:According to a company official, that works out to an average bonus of$338 ,000 per chip employee this year. The bonus scheme is set to last 10 years, and it's conditional on the chip division hitting operating profit targets. The deal is not actually final yet. Union members are voting on it come May 22nd through May 27th. So they're voting like, wait, is it international dateline?

3:04:37Luke Lafreniere:Is it yesterday or tomorrow? It's tomorrow. So they're voting on it like starting now.

3:04:41Linus Sebastian:Yeah. If they approve it, the agreement becomes formal. If they reject it, the strike threat comes back. For context on how much money is on the line here, JP Morgan had estimated that an 18-day strike could have hit Samsung's operating profit by between just roughly 14 and 20.8 billion US dollars. That's crazy. The compensation at rival company SK Hynix was a big part of the union's dissatisfaction. They had abolished their bonus pay cap last year. That led to bonuses more than three times higher than Samsung's and some Samsung workers had already jumped ship to SK Hynix as a result.

3:05:20Luke Lafreniere:Our discussion question is, and this is a big one, could tech workers in other countries pull something off like this yeah i think it comes

3:05:29Linus Sebastian:down to timing i think it comes down to timing and like what part of tech you work in i mean significant parts of tech that are hyper shrinking right now like i remember talking about um back when um but these i think well i think it's a fairly obvious thing that the only reason why this is working is because the the if the shutdown happens they lose 20 billion dollars yeah the gun

3:05:56Luke Lafreniere:that they have against sounds like it is massive and extremely it's a tank barrel yeah it's like

3:06:01Linus Sebastian:not it's not insignificant they and and they also can't necessarily just go and easily replace all these people no so that combination is like i mean that's like kind of the whole idea behind

3:06:13Luke Lafreniere:collective bargaining it's just that i remember talking about this back when we were talking about like the writers guild um and like the uh the sag after where i was like hey guys i don't know if like your leverage is super high right now they ended up getting deals but they ended up getting really short-term deals that and not very great ones that um yeah it seemed it almost seemed like they they waited too long and lost too much leverage before before making it before making a deal you know what i mean whereas the timing from samsung's memory division is so perfect it's so on point they're hitting samsung at a time when yeah to your point there's no replacement stream of workers for them nothing because no one's leaving sk hynix right now that's for sure and the amount of profit to be made is worth almost any concession that they would have to give them

3:07:12Linus Sebastian:apparently it's becoming incredibly popular to put SK Hynix in your bio on dating apps like you just auto win

3:07:28Linus Sebastian:I was reading a thing about this

3:07:32Luke Lafreniere:can we rename the company sure Sure. I mean, why not? I can think of some reasons why not. No key. Write this down! They got that big DRAM.

3:07:48Linus Sebastian:Sorry, Gilmore D was saying, SK Hynix is Luke's chicken.

3:07:57Yeah.

3:07:58Linus Sebastian:Except it acts earlier, actually.

3:08:00Luke Lafreniere:It's like almost a little better. That is some next-level aphrodisiac. What do you do?

3:08:08Linus Sebastian:I work at SK Hynix.

3:08:17Linus Sebastian:Next topic. The FTC's strict anti-deepfake rules are kicking in, maybe. On Tuesday, May 19th, the FTC officially stated and started enforcing Section 3 of the Take It Down Act, a federal law that targets the distribution of non-consensual intimate photos and videos, including AI-generated deepfakes. The Take It Down Act was... Huh?

3:08:47Luke Lafreniere:It's just the chattest of things to wear.

3:08:50Linus Sebastian:The Hynix Labor Union?

3:08:51Luke Lafreniere:Just cruising around? The ultimate status symbol look as simple, an SK Hynix employee vest. Yeah. Sorry, carry on. That makes sense. Yeah, that's from Loki.

3:09:02Linus Sebastian:That's epic. Yeah, so I'm going to rewind a little bit. The Take It Down Act was signed into law about a year ago, and it allows the prosecution of anyone who knowingly distributes deepfakes or intimate images of any minor or non-consenting adult. Last month, a 37-year-old man from Columbus, Ohio, became the first person ever convicted under the law after using more than 120 AI platforms to create and distribute non-consensual sexual images. The piece that kicked in on Tuesday is section three, which holds digital platforms partially liable for hosting this content. Platforms now have 48 hours to remove a flagged image or video after they receive a takedown request, and they have to pull down any identical copies at the same time so victims aren't stuck reporting every re-upload themselves, which is cool.

3:09:59Linus Sebastian:Platforms are also required to offer a clear and easy reporting process that anyone can use, even people who don't have an account on the platform. That's good. Once a request is submitted, I'm actually really happy someone thought about that. That's cool. Once a request is submitted, victims get a tracking number that they can also share with law enforcement. The week before enforcement started, FTC Chairman Andrew Ferguson sent warning letters to 15 major tech companies. The letters warn that the FTC is monitoring the situation and that civil penalties can run up to approximately$53 ,000 per violation.

3:10:37Linus Sebastian:This is part of a global push against AI-generated deepfakes. The United Kingdom added a similar 48-hour removal requirement to its crime and policing bill back in February. And in March, the European Parliament greenlit changes to the AI Act that banned nudifier apps in the EU. I'm assuming that's apps that take normal images and make them nude images. I think that's a fair assumption. Makes sense. Makes sense. I've just never heard of Nudifier before. As ever, there are people who are critical.

3:11:08Luke Lafreniere:Here's the sound it makes.

3:11:12What?

3:11:13Linus Sebastian:Chicken. Okay, nice. That works. As ever, there are people who are critical to the... It makes more of a... um this is a temporal argument right now boy free speech advocates are claiming that the acts can be abused as a censorship tool sure uh because platforms may take down anything that gets reported rather than risk of fine you know what though i think it's pretty easy to tell when the

3:11:42Luke Lafreniere:thing you're removing is nudity or not yeah i i think that that's just a giant load of bs i yeah There is the precedent for the DMCA being abused in the way that people are kind of saying, oh, no, think of the poor corporations. That's true.

3:11:58Linus Sebastian:There should just be a reverse thing where if you false flag, you're in trouble.

3:12:03Luke Lafreniere:But in the age of AI, maybe it could just do something useful, like be able to recognize if it's a nude person.

3:12:11Linus Sebastian:I can absolutely see some famous person hiring a firm to aggressively use this to shut down non-abusive imagery. Yeah, I can see that. I can absolutely see that. So I understand that concern.

3:12:26Luke Lafreniere:But again, in the age of AI, build an AI tool that checks, is this nude?

3:12:31Linus Sebastian:Well, yeah, the platform is not going to want to take liability either way. But I also think that it's just, in my opinion, you just reverse it. If it's like kind of obviously a attempt to censor something. Spurious claim. Find them. Ah, well, that isn't a thing though.

3:12:51Luke Lafreniere:It just should be. Yeah.

3:12:53Linus Sebastian:I think that's how you counter it in my opinion. Hmm. Man.

3:12:57Luke Lafreniere:I can't think of really much in the way of precedent for that.

3:13:04Linus Sebastian:Do you get in trouble if you falsely claim that? like if if uh if you say that someone stole something from your store so we're talking like defamation and libel like at this point right but like as someone who has had reasons to look into that it's complicated and it's very it's very difficult right yeah it's it's not simple um

3:13:30Luke Lafreniere:and like establishing because like it's a lot of the question is like intent and if you're going to apply penalties to something whether they're like civil or criminal then there there's it's a it's a lot more complicated than just like oh yeah you like made a false claim therefore like here's a parking ticket um that's all i have to say about that what did luke set up this week it's not that's what everyone's burning question has been the show for the entire WAN show. It's not interesting.

3:14:04Linus Sebastian:I promised in the intro though. That thing that I alluded to, the piece of fitness equipment that I alluded to taking over three months to show up, finally showed up and I set it up last night and I'm happy about it. That's it. Luke set up new fitness equipment. I mentioned this in the pre-show and he was like, it went pretty well. It was good. I liked it. I actually like it quite a bit. I'm quite happy with it.

3:14:28Luke Lafreniere:Nice.

3:14:29Linus Sebastian:Does it make you sweat?

3:14:31Luke Lafreniere:a little bit tell us about it a little bit yeah a little bit of sweat yeah like where specifically and then now it's like in between your pecs like does it kind of drip down there i was doing i was doing a chest workout so yeah a little bit nice yeah so did it pool there a little i'm just i'm trying to make this topic a little more exciting for the people luke yeah not really it's doing it for me i don't know i think we're ready to move on to after dark what a great segue Okay, Luke, you're talking about your chest sweat. Banners after dark. Well, it might not be chest sweat. It could be neck sweat that made its way down to the chest.

3:15:12Luke Lafreniere:That's not sexy anymore. Okay, let's move on. You don't like neck sweat? Whatever out we can do. All right. First up, we've got a bunch here. Jeez. Are you excited for the Canadian Grand Prix this weekend? Since Red Bull invites a lot of influencers to their races, could your recent video with Red Bull allow you to be able to attend future races? I didn't know there was a Canadian Grand Prix this weekend. I don't follow motorsports. Red Bull, their relationship with us is pretty straightforward so far. They send us Red Bull. I don't drink it, but some people here do. I drink it. I love drug water.

3:15:57Luke Lafreniere:Good. i'm glad i'm glad you do productive and happy if if it does that then i'm happy i wish you would live longer um they do a sugar-free version i unfortunately really like the taste of it you like the taste of red i do i don't really drink it that is the wildest take but i like of all of the takes i think it tastes good that have ever been taken on the land show that is like you don't even you're like a you're like you're a hydro homie yeah i don't really drink

3:16:28Linus Sebastian:it i know but you like i do like that no i love juice i love pop i love energy drinks yeah which

3:16:35Luke Lafreniere:all of which is fine who doesn't like juice but like red bull i also really like water like i genuinely really do like this isn't hamburgers and hot dogs you can like water and red bull right i just yeah i man i i only tried it once and i was like wow it's piss water see yeah i don't i don't yeah i don't it's interesting because i know a lot of people

3:16:59Linus Sebastian:that don't like almost any energy drink flavor what do they use for sweetener though i have no

3:17:05Luke Lafreniere:idea uh well there's the sugar-free one and i think there's also a normal sugar one do they used like corn high fructose corn syrup though probably not no apparently original red bull uses actual sugars specifically sucrose and glucose okay i don't know which one i tried though i don't know if i just tried like og red bull or if it was like gamer red bull or something like that so maybe i have like maybe i haven't tried that billion flavors now they do they sent us a new one that's like vanilla and something they do um all right all right cool anyway our relationship with red bull is complicated they they they send us the the red bull and i don't really drink it and then one time they they wanted to give some really cool pcs to some pretty cool people and we made those pcs and those people were really cool and then we gave them to them they might do more they showed up to uh one of the whale lands right they did yeah they did um you know overall they're just like they seem like a super cool company to work with and we really enjoy working with them and i genuinely like he just laid out that they don't really work with us

3:18:13Linus Sebastian:that much i mean nothing from saying this i genuinely think their form of marketing is like sick very cool just the fact that they support just a ton of different like athletes and people who are at extreme skill levels at a variety of different things is really cool yep there isn't actually a ton of that and usually when people get sponsors and they're doing those things they're often for very little money yeah it seems like red bull actually goes in and like so i think that's really cool if you can make your marketing benefit relatively smaller communities

3:18:46Luke Lafreniere:like that i think that's really awesome and if you're gonna like blow a bunch of money on sugar water then i'd rather you blow a bunch of money on a company like red bull that seems to do really cool stuff with it versus a company that had death squads you know that doesn't narrow it down that

3:19:02Linus Sebastian:It didn't happen in this country, so...

3:19:05Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, that was the actual defense from Coca-Cola, by the way. They didn't say they didn't do it. They just said it didn't happen here, therefore it's not our problem.

3:19:16Linus Sebastian:Have I told you about the Chikorita thing?

3:19:19Luke Lafreniere:This is the bananas, right?

3:19:21Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Yeah. They're involved with the overthrowing of multiple governments. Yeah. Stuff is amazing. Hobby Lobby was smuggling artifacts out of Iraq. Companies do crazy stuff. it's wild we were we were driving uh myself and some of the labs guys were driving down to to puget because we were visiting puget recently um and i saw a hobby lobby and it just like that fact just slammed itself back into my brain i was like oh yeah

3:19:51Luke Lafreniere:that's crazy um anyways anyway so yeah cool red bull i forget what the question was um Oh, yeah, right. I don't know anything about really motorsports. I didn't even know that was happening, but it sounds cool. We're going to do some F1 stuff. I love F1.

3:20:07Linus Sebastian:There's got to be some way we could do something that makes sense there. They do really interesting tech with their cars all the time, actually. There's got to be some from the crossover.

3:20:15Luke Lafreniere:It is so cool. And always controversial, as far as I can tell.

3:20:18Linus Sebastian:Yeah. As far as my understanding goes, a lot of people that watch F1 watch it for that. Dude, F1...

3:20:23Luke Lafreniere:I'm a manufacturer watcher. I watch less racing, more car. Yeah. It's amazing. F1 seems to have an even higher controversy to content ratio than we do. It's somewhat remarkable, actually. I don't know about that. They hit a marmoset. There's always something. And that's become a controversy. They hit a groundhog at a race? At a race. How the devil did a groundhog get onto the track? It apparently happens every year. And there's corners that are just kind of... Sorry, on purpose? No, accidental. It's not death racing. groundhog get onto the well i don't know let's just release groundhogs into the track it's an f1 tradition it happened by accident because i live next onto the track what do you mean well i don't don't the tracks have fences like i don't know i've never been to an f1 track wouldn't they want to keep groundhogs off the track for safety yeah i think the groundhogs can find a way dude crafty groundhogs and maybe i'm thinking how big are groundhogs how big about the size of like a

3:21:26Linus Sebastian:an air also like look at this the f1 track in montreal there is a fence but there's also green between the fence and the track hold on how big are these dude these things can be like two feet

3:21:37Luke Lafreniere:big these things are yeah these things are freaking huge took the car out of the race and apparently a couple years ago they were kind of like there was a whole corner just kind of maybe

3:21:46Linus Sebastian:coated in one of them what you oh that's awful yeah so they could just dig under the fence I guess. People are saying there has to be gaps in the fence. Yeah, but there's... Okay, so the picture that I was seeing... Let me look it up again.

3:22:00Luke Lafreniere:Not the corner. Huh? You're not going to look up the corner, are you?

3:22:05Linus Sebastian:Oh, no. No, no, no, no. I thought you were looking up the corner painted in groundhog. I was just using this as a reference, because, like, yes, there is a fence flying from the outside, but there's also a green space here. It's a groundhog. It could go under.

3:22:16Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I guess. Well, it shouldn't do that, then.

3:22:20Linus Sebastian:Yeah, tell it that's a bad idea. Well, it won't again.

3:22:23Luke Lafreniere:This is interesting. Sorry, we didn't get this. LastPass Canadian consumer privacy class action settlement. If you reside in Canada and were affected by the 2022 LastPass data breach, you may be eligible for compensation. Someone posted in Floatplane chat that they got like$100 or something like that. Wow. Yeah. So wasted time, out-of-pocket expenses, crypto claims, distribution of funds. So if you guys want to check that out, it's pretty cool. Nice. Carry on. hey ldd any advice on getting organizational buy-in for a tech situational awareness mapping it requires similar permissions to social media apps for technical ops how do i address concerns

3:23:00Linus Sebastian:it's like uh find your iphone for no i i was saying i know what a tech is my my thing is what for for what what military bros yeah yeah but what is their organization he said how do i get

3:23:15Luke Lafreniere:organizational buy-in but it's like yeah for the for the military i assume then well no the military uses it yeah exactly so like some military somewhere i guess needs organizational buy-in like what who else would use it i i don't know i couldn't figure that out no some people use it for like uh like hiking and stuff um android team awareness kit you can you can use there's there's

3:23:42Linus Sebastian:actually a lot of interesting civilian applications for atac um but this is why it's like i don't

3:23:48Luke Lafreniere:know oh yeah atac public release here we go yeah like it's it's actually discontinued oh atac civilian here we go yeah there's there's people are absolutely first responders licensed commercial developers distribution for atac civ is through approved government hosted sites, direct commercial sales. This version has no ITAR capabilities. Okay.

3:24:16Luke Lafreniere:I don't know.

3:24:18Linus Sebastian:This seems a little outside of our wheelhouse here. It really dramatically depends on what your organization is. If you guys are... I used to work at a bread factory. If you guys are a bread factory, I can't imagine that ATAC makes any sense.

3:24:31Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, maybe you shouldn't.

3:24:32Linus Sebastian:I don't think you're going to convince anyone.

3:24:34Luke Lafreniere:We might need that for Linus. Do we still lose you? Like, do you still have that air tag? That could be useful. Has that stopped happening? I've never had an air tag.

3:24:42Linus Sebastian:ATAC tracking for Linus could make a lot of sense.

3:24:46Luke Lafreniere:So according to Wikipedia, in Canada, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Emergency Response Team uses it, as well as the Canadian Army, and that's about it. And then in the U.S., it looks like it's military, law enforcement, and emergency services. In all of those applications, I think it seems kind of common sense that it's pretty useful um so i have no idea what you're trying to do with do with it man where people are not on board sorry i feel like yeah yeah i don't know yeah yeah i don't like

3:25:21Linus Sebastian:civilian mapping and and tracking of certain things through civ tack is like an interesting things for for hikers or people who live like just really far out there and have a ton of land and want to have it tracked and stuff like this is a thing that people do um i just i have i have no idea what your company is and can make no recommendation because of not knowing i assume

3:25:42Luke Lafreniere:it's safety related like it must be remote usually it's it's yeah yeah it must be like remote something location safety something and i mean at the end of the day if somebody like really doesn't want that then i don't think you can like really force them i feel like it's pretty self-explanatory yeah like if you if you like benefit from it from like a safety standpoint then you should probably just like you know be on board and if you don't benefit it from a safety standpoint or it's uh or it's like a privacy invasion then maybe you shouldn't have it yeah yeah cool good chat hey ldl what is each of your favorite pokemon getting back into playing with my kids yes more leggings when i love mine and need more oh hey did you see we got a pokemon pinball machine yeah did you try it yet i did i got demolished immediately cool yeah yeah it's pretty cool though right yeah it's pretty cool shiny yeah it has bulbasaur yeah and squirtle

3:26:40Linus Sebastian:it has a squirtle whirlpool why did we get one uh because stern sent it oh yeah we sent back our

3:26:48Luke Lafreniere:dungeons and dragons and they exchanged us a new one i guess that's our i guess that's our system now is uh we just kind of always have a pinball machine and then they send us a new one and we use the packaging for the new one to send back the old one that's not intentional i think stern had really intended for us to keep the packaging for the dungeons and dragons one and send it back in it but we didn't so now we have a new system i can play pokemon pinball i hung out for like 45 minutes yesterday after work just playing some pokemon pinball i got the high scores i think i have like one to six or something like that so i put in like poo and ass and all the good stuff that's good yeah that's good that's very good yep but what is your favorite pokemon oh right sorry um i feel like i feel like we've i feel like we've asked this before i just like i don't i don't know if i care um maybe one of the like super evolved bird ones that are like cool and like some elemental like what's the what's the cool fire bird from

3:27:53Linus Sebastian:the original here here here here just jumping back to this attack civ civil use 500 plus thousand downloads 500 ,000 plus there you go people are using it they're just it's like it's yeah I don't know there are quite a few applications outside of military stuff of just like having a good map and knowing where things are and whatnot all right

3:28:14Luke Lafreniere:mole trees seems pretty based

3:28:17Linus Sebastian:That's your favorite Pokemon?

3:28:19Luke Lafreniere:I don't know. I don't care.

3:28:21Linus Sebastian:This matters a lot?

3:28:23Luke Lafreniere:Okay.

3:28:23Linus Sebastian:What do you mean you don't care?

3:28:25Luke Lafreniere:I mean, I like Geodude. I don't know.

3:28:26Linus Sebastian:Okay.

3:28:27Luke Lafreniere:Okay. He's happy now. Yeah.

3:28:29Linus Sebastian:You just have to care about it and be very invested. Where's your full art holo card that costs$7 ,000 of Geodude? I don't know if there is one.

3:28:40Luke Lafreniere:I keep it in a vault just like any responsible person would. Yeah, never look at it. I never show it to anyone. Good. Yeah. Good. including you sorry no that's honestly fair okay okay it's yours follow geodude oh my god i don't think there is one geodude prices oh my god oh there is a full art wow oh kind of i don't

3:29:07Linus Sebastian:know how expensive is it how much is this hey that's not too bad cool i don't know kadabra is

3:29:14Luke Lafreniere:my favorite pokemon all right there is not alakazam really nope you like the middle you like the middle evolution i didn't have anyone i could trade with that's wow so the pokemon was your friend yeah okay i can see why you bonded with it i always liked the yeah the middle evolution

3:29:35Linus Sebastian:ones of the ones that you couldn't trade well that you could trade to evolve them and that was

3:29:39Luke Lafreniere:the only way so um on the subject of that sort of companionship um we were chatting in a writer's meeting today about the the local ai like what would we do with it and um apparently altman posted a blog post or a tweet or something he posted somewhere recently asking like you know what do you want us to like work towards for the future of ai and for over the next five years and um the number one response was companionship and we all kind of uh

3:30:15Linus Sebastian:that's why i was like kind of being real when i said the whole ai waifu thing like yeah that will be a use case that people do care about

3:30:26Luke Lafreniere:will it be oh man i don't know that that's a use case that you need to promote

3:30:33Linus Sebastian:yeah but it is something that people care about is this is this the one you're talking about

3:30:44Linus Sebastian:um this is the tweet yeah is that yeah it's interesting to me that he's still tweeting

3:30:52Luke Lafreniere:like on musk's platform yeah i mean there's nothing for all of its warts and there are many warts um some on its genitals i've seen them um there's nothing like twitter wow there's nothing

3:31:05Linus Sebastian:exactly like twitter just because of the user base that's already on it i don't think it's the the feature set or anything like that just basically everyone has one i don't think the

3:31:14Luke Lafreniere:feature set was ever the feature of twitter though not really like it always cut it all the feature set always sucked it was like it sucked by design when it very first launched it was kind of interesting i wasn't interested in it but obviously it was interesting because a lot of other people were but i got on twitter like i felt like i was like had missed the boat like i got on it super late i'd stubbornly avoided it i think until i was starting to think about branching off from ncix and starting my own company and i was like okay i should probably have a social media presence i guess twitter then i i use it these days i'll reach out to

3:31:48Linus Sebastian:someone in dms and like see if they're interested in chatting and if they are we always go off platform right and it's like not even always me that suggests it but it is all of the time let's let's head over let's take this over to discord shall we yeah sometimes text messages whatever

3:32:05Luke Lafreniere:but like oh we didn't talk about uh discord making uh voice calls encrypted by default no opt-in oh wow yeah i didn't know that was a thing that's cool that's cool news text still not apparently there are architectural challenges it was built for plain text and it

3:32:21Linus Sebastian:would like break a bunch of stuff as far as my understanding goes there's quite a few architectural challenges with different really cool improvements that could come to discord tech stuff like i asked why certain character limits and things were a thing to a discord engineer once and they're just like that's just the stack man we can't really change it very easily because i was wondering like it seems weird like it seems like you would just win so hard so fast if you made corporate discord like just make it so people can have i know you can do a per server profile but make it so that people have two primary profiles and one of them is more work related one of them is more personal related you can switch between the two it even has a different like server and dm list for each and make it so that you have higher level of authentication some type of sso thing to be able to access those servers and then change almost nothing else like it would take so little and they would sweep an incredible amount of of companies just right away uh does credit as an account switcher it's very close to what i was saying but not exactly because i want them to be one of them would be like corporate sso that's the important part not the account switching part so maybe i didn't make that very clear willing spy says but then my boss would know

3:33:34Luke Lafreniere:when i'm gaming at work but no i think the way that luke has architected technically oh they would

3:33:40Linus Sebastian:No, technically no.

3:33:41Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, no, they wouldn't. Yeah, so he's all over it. He's all about gaming while he's supposed to be at work. Don't worry, he's got you.

3:33:49Linus Sebastian:I think like, because basically once you have SSO and you can basically knock people out of the server based on SSO and you can manage people's permissions based on that as well, that massively increases your chance of being in the corporate world. Once you can crank up the message limit, because there's some issues there, and a couple other relatively, they seem small, but apparently the message limit and stuff is not a small problem. But I genuinely think with like the complaints that people have about Teams, the expense level of Slack and a couple other things like that, Discord would be massive if they entered the corporate space.

3:34:25Linus Sebastian:And it has just been the two things that happened in the communication world or didn't happen, I guess, that have been just fascinating to me over the last while is that Google let Salesforce buy Slack. Mind-blowing. Just, we'll never get over the fumble that happened there. And then that Discord has not gone corporate.

3:34:47Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

3:34:48Linus Sebastian:Both of those things are so interesting.

3:34:49Luke Lafreniere:Well, I think, I'm going to add one. I'm going to add one. That Skype squandered their head start.

3:34:55Linus Sebastian:Dude.

3:34:56Luke Lafreniere:That one still.

3:34:58Linus Sebastian:Oh my God. The fact that the pandemic was Zoom and not Skype is wild.

3:35:04Luke Lafreniere:insane wild oh man used to be a verb they're like okay no i'm gonna tweet it i'm gonna that's a

3:35:10Linus Sebastian:pretty i'm gonna add one more oh no there's more i'm gonna add one more just the trail of corpses

3:35:15Luke Lafreniere:microsoft is left google oh hangouts yeah other hangouts they didn't chat other chat freaking meet the other meet like the fact the fact that google's completely scattered get ship a product get a promotion approach made it so that they're not a competitor in that space functionally at all

3:35:37Linus Sebastian:dude if they just mind-blowing they just bought slack and just made it so that meat and stuff was just like a web portal version of slack they would just own right now yeah it's still so

3:35:52Luke Lafreniere:stunning to me i forgot gchat that was another name for their various like chat like it's it's It's mind-blowing how much Google has screwed up chat when that's like a foundational part of G Suite, or sorry, Google Workspace, is communication, that we have to have two services just because Google doesn't have feature parity with something as crappy as Teams. Man, Teams phone calls lately have been so bad.

3:36:20Linus Sebastian:Teams is really rough. Like, so bad recently. It's hard to pitch to not be on Teams because Teams is so cheap, but Teams is a very rough experience.

3:36:32Luke Lafreniere:All right. Hit us, Dan. Sure. What's up, boys? Linus, I noticed, unless I looked wrong, the new blank shirts are 50 % cotton, 50 % polyester. They used to be 60 cotton. Why the change? Because the mill that we're working with now for the fabric doesn't do a 60-40, and they're 50-50, passed all of the same tests with respect to durability, hand feel, non-shrinkage, printability. Functionally, the shirt was the same enough that we just couldn't come up with a reason to care about the blend change. I've always liked the feel and the durability of a cotton poly blend. I was never married to 60-40.

3:37:19Luke Lafreniere:The only reason that we did 60-40 was because that's what American Apparel did. on the blanks that we used to use back when American apparel was like kind of the, the premium choice for blanks versus your like Gildan or Hanes or, you know, whatever else, uh, next level apparel, all the various, all the various ones. Um, yeah, it's because they're still good. We, we go by the end result performance, not by the composition necessarily.

3:37:51Luke Lafreniere:Hey, D L. L. Is there anything new that piqued your interest or got you excited recently? Thanks for all you do. Colon capital D. Oh, man, there's always something. But, like, I feel like it's one of those things where I'll send an email being like, hey, add this to writer's meeting. And then it falls out of my brain because I have already written it down. Something that excited me recently.

3:38:19Luke Lafreniere:I'm going to check emails I've sent while Luke thinks of something.

3:38:23Linus Sebastian:Is this like a new piece of technology or an idea or what's the... Anything that piqued your interest or got you excited recently?

3:38:30Luke Lafreniere:Anything underlined?

3:38:32Linus Sebastian:Labs articles have been really fun. Labs articles have been really fun. We had some come out recently that people had some stronger feedback for. We're working on that. But in general, I've been having a lot of fun with those. And I was talking to Lucas about some ideas for labs articles before the show and was getting kind of excited about them. Want to look into battery technologies and their strengths and weaknesses. That should be kind of interesting. These are all ideas. I don't know that we're going to do any of these, so relax. Another thing I wanted to do is like, you know, I saw there's this like, there's a lot of memes that just perpetuate forever.

3:39:17Linus Sebastian:And one of those that I saw recently was like, you know looking at my computer these days and really asking that 1080 to just hold on for yet another year and that's been a meme for years now um and i was kind of thinking like we should just build a computer that would have been popular in the 1080 era and see how it's doing these days because i i've talked on the show before about like my buddy's kid who's playing arc raiders with a 1080 and it's like i feel like you could play a lot of currently decently popular games so the 1080 still like it's actually probably still mostly fine yep uh you might start to run into some like feature support issues yeah and like you can't you literally just can't play indiana jones um yeah and and there's gonna be some other games where you're gonna lack some features that would be nice or lack some performance here there but i think a lot um i think genuinely a lot of games you could do at an okay level i'm excited about this

3:40:23Luke Lafreniere:dan i just sent you a picture and a video in that order

3:40:30i yvonne and i were out for one of our classic midnight connection walks oh you know when we

3:40:37Luke Lafreniere:We go out in the middle of the night and we go for a walk because the home is full of distractions and work and kids and all that kind of stuff. So we go for a walk. Hold on, one quick thing. Can you crop in the picture? Thank you.

3:41:07Linus Sebastian:dj the creator said i had a 2060 super with no complaints on anything and only upgraded for more

3:41:14Luke Lafreniere:vram which sounds like a complaint on vram but as we were walking we discovered this

3:41:24that's a driveway and a lawn and two computers at midnight midnight computers you might call them

3:41:32Luke Lafreniere:uh if you could midnight club computers if you could if you could play the the video uh i'm just watching it right now the video is fine it's clear here's a better look there's a bit of condensation on the one but that's a ninth gen no ram in that one no ram uh this one contains a gpu though um so i asked my wife who is a tolerant person, certainly, to be married to me for so long. Hey, can you... I was chivalrous, by the way. I took the one with the power supply in it. But I asked her, I said, hey, kind of inconvenient request, but can you carry one of these computers home for me? And so we finished our walk, computers in arms, and they are now in my fire truck, because I'm dailying the fire truck right now.

3:42:27Luke Lafreniere:And I got to unload them. And then once I do, i'm gonna fix those computers have you been pulled over and i'm actually pretty excited about it i have not but i did have what is so far probably the most fun experience driving of my life i i drove past an actual emergency at which there were firefighters like a chill emergency though like a no big deal like fender bender and there was an actual fire truck that had responded to it with actual firefighters who had mostly mitigated the situation and were just kind of standing around by that point. And they watched me drive past.

3:43:11Luke Lafreniere:You should have rolled the window down and be like, need a hand? I didn't think of it. I wish I did. Want an extra pump? I didn't even see them there until I looked over and Buddy's like, just dumbstruck

3:43:26Linus Sebastian:just

3:43:29Luke Lafreniere:so good it's like a scene out of a movie man it was so good I thought you would have gone past an actual emergency just pointed out the window and been like ha ha ha no I can't help you totally not qualified yeah no not at all accident last responder so people keep asking me dailying the fire truck I mean, look, I'm not going to buy a fire truck and go to the work to get my air brake ticket and then not daily it for a bit. I promised my kids that I would take them to school one morning in it. So that was actually one of the things that Yvonne and I were doing on our last midnight walk is scoping out.

3:44:11Luke Lafreniere:Like, obviously, they have a fire lane at the school or whatever, right? In case the school is on fire. Can't use that. but i'm not a real firefighter so i need to just drive through like the normal drop-off loop so i've kind of scouted out all the turn radii to make sure that i think i can actually get through there during the you know morning hubbub um how was that that the scout no mission doing it uh you have not i haven't done it yeah yeah yeah so we just went for a walk the other night um so far so far like surprisingly little attention actually it's it's like it's hiding lights and sirens aren't on yeah you're you're hiding in plain sight like nobody nobody looks at a fire truck that is not speeding towards an emergency it's like the most normal thing and yet um it's it's an unusual thing and yet the most normal mundane thing nobody cares that it's not a firefighter driving it they just people don't seem to register my my presence at all i'm not

3:45:16Linus Sebastian:surprised you haven't gotten in trouble because i know it's like within the law it's technically legal but i am surprised you haven't been pulled over yet and them just be like so what's up with

3:45:28Luke Lafreniere:that yeah yeah yeah but it's also but like why i'm moving my fire truck from one place to another

3:45:34Linus Sebastian:place there is there is a thing and i know this kind of bothers people but it's like an obvious fact there are too many laws for police officers to actually know all of them like it's just a thing uh they have to debate about laws constantly in courtrooms like this is it's a problem uh so i'm not surprised one of them didn't just pull you over and go like i just think this is illegal but i don't know hold on for a sec let me figure this out that's what i'm like kind of expecting to happen and i'm expecting them to go back to their car and then come back after a while and be like wow this is really cool you're free to go but could you show me around i wouldn't be surprised either way our cops in this area are generally like pretty okay from my experiences

3:46:18Luke Lafreniere:with them so if that doesn't sort of vibe with your experience with cops in your area i'm sorry to hear that um i just mean like a lot of people are going to hear your account of what a cop how a cop might behave and go like that doesn't people range all over the place yeah yeah that

3:46:37Linus Sebastian:doesn't you know that doesn't i'm sure there are cops here that would have a terrible experience with you doing that i'm sure there are there are cops in those areas that probably aren't as bad

3:46:45Luke Lafreniere:either yep people do be being people note that i didn't say canada i said in our area uh rcmp has done some stuff so make of that what you will all right dan hit me again hey land duke and dynas with whale land being this weekend what has been the most valuable piece of information that you have learned from each one past wish i could be there to join you guys um oh man first one layout was was the biggest thing at the first one the layout was like basically it was planned ahead of time but we just kind of discovered some of the plans that we had weren't going to work, so had to undo those plans.

3:47:33Luke Lafreniere:At the second one, I think we really optimized the load-in and load-out in a big way. Time was way down for both of those things. First one, we had some networking issues. Second one, we had some issues with the 8v8 gaming setups. I've been told, knock on wood, that both of those are solved for this time around.

3:47:54Linus Sebastian:We worked on both of those. Saying anything is solved is... Just asking for it.

3:48:00Luke Lafreniere:I knocked on wood.

3:48:01Linus Sebastian:Okay.

3:48:02Luke Lafreniere:I think this is wood. Is this MDF or wood, Dan? Quick. It's wood. Quick. What's it made of? It's wood. It's wood. Oh, thank goodness. Okay, then we should be fine. Okay. Yeah. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. That was a good measure. Good job. Just make sure.

3:48:20Linus Sebastian:Ow. Yeah. I feel like I heard that. That's rough. Do you, like, actually knock on your pelvis bone? i swear i heard a knock i knocked on something

3:48:32Luke Lafreniere:jeez try not to think about it too much uh moving on love the clothes linus why no blank tall white shirt i would drive from long island new york and personally pick up a crate of them if you had them um so the white shirt is still like a new it's a new fit for us it's like the boxier more modern fit and we just kind of need to see the numbers and then if it sells really well then we'd love to do more fits um in time some magical time far away from today we'd love to do like regular tall husky tall and husky we'd love to have women's fits we'd love to have all different fits for our apparel but our lives have been complicated by having multiple distribution centers and i i feel like this is my opportunity to do a quarterly reminder.

3:49:22Luke Lafreniere:We are still, in the grand scheme of things, a really small company. From like an apparel company sort of scale conversation, we are more often than not ordering the minimum order quantity for things and then really figuring out how to move through them all. We're not gap. And so we're doing our best. We're going to keep doing our best. And I'm just, I am really glad to hear that you, you know, love the product enough that you wish there was more of it. And we're going to keep working hard to make that a reality. Hello, LMG team. Yes, please do some more vids on local LLM stuff. And as for a question, what are the data engineering tools used at LMG and Floatplane, if any?

3:50:13Linus Sebastian:Data engineering tools.

3:50:17Luke Lafreniere:You're up.

3:50:18Linus Sebastian:What defines a data engineering tool?

3:50:20Luke Lafreniere:I assumed you'd know.

3:50:22Linus Sebastian:I also assumed Luke would know.

3:50:24Luke Lafreniere:Nice. Solid. Okay.

3:50:30Linus Sebastian:Orchestration and workflow management. So, like, would NN count here? No. Orchestration? Yeah. Yeah. That was one of the things. Does it orchestrate? I don't know. Uh, Microsoft fabric. We use a bunch of things to deal with data. Flowplane side of things has like a variety of data views. We use, uh, tool jet is an underlying system for a certain data view that we use on the creator warehouse side of things. Oh yeah. No, any then would count. Definitely. That's yeah. Yeah. Uh, there's, there's a variety of things that we do. um we don't have anyone super specifically in a role of like data engineer again reminder

3:51:21Luke Lafreniere:grand scheme of things we're still a pretty small company yeah carry on but we do have

3:51:26Linus Sebastian:sets of data and we do build views for them we also have some orchestration stuff um

3:51:36yeah sorry not the greatest answer um nothing we do an air table would qualify for this right most of it probably yeah okay i think it like kind of would but not in the not in the way that

3:51:52Linus Sebastian:i think the person asked the question in my opinion like a traditional data engineering yeah which i don't think like how we're using either of those systems would count for that um honestly i don't think we're really doing anything that would fully count for what i think this person is really truly asking um we have we have data we have views on that data but we're not

3:52:16Luke Lafreniere:doing a ton of stuff with that data it doesn't react to the new data that it gets if i can kind

3:52:24Linus Sebastian:of interpret build charts and then people read them and then you do stuff and then we read the

3:52:29Luke Lafreniere:charts again it's not reactive to like oh you know things are going down so let's do automations well not that kind of down number line go down yeah not services down yeah i was gonna say we do have the the kubernetes wizard jonathan himself um but but that's not i don't yeah yeah not that kind of down uh moving on we got lots to get through still yeah good morning from oz ld and floaters saturday morning done right watching wanshow with a coffee and my lady nice i see you safrina my pebble serafina oh sorry it's all highlighted and blurry now my pebble time two is shipping soon are you getting one linus oh i didn't remember to order one uh so no i'm gonna make a note for myself you know what i got yeah i got a fitbit air how's that going for you it's not here you're not wearing it oh okay it's theoretically shows up next week how long before you lose it that's uh

3:53:31Linus Sebastian:that's a major concern everyone in my family that i've told that i'm getting one i don't buy things often so i've kind of told everybody uh everyone in my family that i've told i'm getting one is like hmm how are you gonna have that for but i'm hoping i'm mostly looking for the sleep tracking stuff i like that it doesn't have a screen on it that was actually a big selling point for me cool no subscription no screen on it there is a subscription you could get but i'm not doing that hey dll is it just me or is software more

3:54:03Luke Lafreniere:buggy these days maybe i'm working at a higher capacity than before for music and video projects but it's been extra tough when something breaks every week no everything's always been a piece of as far as i can tell

3:54:20Linus Sebastian:i've kind of got the vibe that stuff is more buggy i think it's easy to point at ai and i think that is partially to blame but i also think stability has not been uh something that has been chased by pretty much anyone i don't think a lot of people are making decisions based on stability these days everyone knows that premiere crashes all the time the professional side of things is really not shifting to anything other than premiere yet but premiere has always crashed all the time as long as i've been using it sure but the people are not making market market decisions based on that so like it's not going to be important until that happens

3:55:00Luke Lafreniere:i just i don't i'm just i'm trying to i'm trying to think back like canon zoom browser was a piece of garbage that crashed all the time windows 95 was a piece of garbage that crashed all the time um you know nero burning rom was a piece of garbage that crashed all the time like i can't count the number of times that i've seen that that starcraft crashed error that had the cool i forget if it was i think it was a wraith on it like i just think i automatically interpreted

3:55:36Linus Sebastian:this more as websites than anything. I know I gave my premier example, but I think I was primarily thinking of websites. I had a conversation recently where I looked up websites from 2006. Let me see if I can find it. Web Design Museum. This was super interesting. I didn't know about this website, Web Design Museum, and I just looked up again, websites in 2006. That's cool. Newgrounds.

3:55:59Luke Lafreniere:Look at Apple, dude. I'll try. Wow. computers remember when apple cared about computers and like primarily yeah and ipods were like an afterthought how similar the mac mini still looks that's amazing kind of wild yeah it kind of looks like ncix i wonder if they just ripped it off i even noticed like websites

3:56:21Linus Sebastian:that look kind of more modern like this nike air website looks pretty modern that looks super modern but it's not that looks amazing once you actually blow it up like you have the oh wow the weird circles yeah this is actually not a rotating horizontal banner at the top of the site like every single store on the entire planet right now it's it's actually just a big splash page the new super mario bros website like feels like a magazine um things especially things are just generally very unique motorola's website was a phone that makes sense like super cool um pirate by um just i don't know super interesting battlefield's website that's great everything felt very unique yeah and these days everything feels the same and on the web side of things i don't feel like things have gotten like less buggy at the very least but i've also like i haven't

3:57:20Luke Lafreniere:lost like a massive text input that i put into a website in like years like there's certain things that are that i that i find to be maybe maybe not more maybe not less buggy but certainly more refined my expectations are higher features my expectations are definitely higher today and i wonder if that's part of why things feel more buggy when they've always been very likely

3:57:47Linus Sebastian:the case i think that is still in line with kind of what i was saying though which is that

3:57:50Luke Lafreniere:people want features over stability i also think that it like maybe for me i'm looking at everything over a long enough time period that i see it as just sort of ebbs and flows like i i remember having a conversation with someone when i like wasn't freaking out about the ram apocalypse because i was like well yeah like kind of like how it happens sometimes right they're like no no no like you know like this is like this is really bad and i'm like yeah like kind of like how it's bad sometimes right and then like later it'll be good and um you know like how it happens people you just you swing too far one direction and then you start and and it and it will they're going to build a bunch of capacity and then ai demand is going to go down at some point and then ram's going to be like dirt cheap i don't know how long it's going to take but anywhere there's money to be chased somebody will chase it until there's no money to be chased and then there will be a supply like it's just it's just kind of how this thing it's kind of how this whole thing works and so i guess i i kind of see it the same way like people will people will demand better stability in their applications until everything's like kind of good enough and then you know people will try to differentiate on features and then those features will be buggy and then someone will differentiate on stability like everything's just kind of it's kind of like this what do you have

3:59:15Luke Lafreniere:having fun is that a selfie with a point and shoot wow 2006 man that's pretty basic rollerblading having fun who even needs to see the preview of what they're taking the picture of

3:59:29Linus Sebastian:i'm going to mcdonald's i love it select country and market it's so good dude some of these websites are just awesome Arch guard. Awesome. Incredible. The semantic safety town reminded me a lot of old websites too, where like things on this neighborhood were probably clickable.

3:59:49Luke Lafreniere:Right. Yeah. Yeah. When you couldn't tell what was interactable on a site, it was actually, it was pretty annoying, but also like kind of fun because your cursor would change. You were surfing. Yeah. You were surfing the web, man. Whoa.

4:00:06Luke Lafreniere:Oh, that's pretty cool. So many gradients. Nobody uses gradients anymore.

4:00:10Linus Sebastian:I love gradients. Gradients were super popular in design as of a couple years ago. No, not that type of gradients.

4:00:18Luke Lafreniere:They should be popular forever. I love gradients.

4:00:22Linus Sebastian:Hell yeah! Let's go, dude!

4:00:28Luke Lafreniere:I have the 2004 Steam client burned into my... That shade of off green is part of my body. That's so legit. Can we do a Steam Green shirt?

4:00:41Linus Sebastian:I don't know. Old internet. It just feels way cooler. Way cooler.

4:00:47Luke Lafreniere:All right, hit me, Dan. Hi, Linus, playing through CrossCode right now. What were your thoughts on the overworld chests and the 3D aspect of the game? Sometimes I spend a ton of time figuring out how to get one chest. oh it's one of those things where i enjoyed the game so much for its story and combat um that i kind of forced myself to want to enjoy some of the overworld jumping around um i think i kept doing it because when you nail it and figure it out it's so satisfying so you like you get that rush but the rewards often sucked so it's it's not that and the like mega long dungeons in particular the time you have to do two back-to-back are sort of the the flies in what is otherwise a very delicious ointment yum ointment crunchy hey linus luke and dan i'm an airplane mechanic and usually run into interesting issues that call for a weird troubleshooting what's the craziest troubleshooting step you've tried on anything oh it's got to be that motherboard that I fixed by bridging...

4:01:57Luke Lafreniere:I think I ran a wire between two fan headers.

4:01:59Linus Sebastian:Two different fan headers.

4:02:00Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I still don't understand how that fixed anything.

4:02:03Linus Sebastian:I don't... I really need you to do a video on that thing because I don't understand how you thought to even do that in the first place.

4:02:12Luke Lafreniere:I was desperate, Luke.

4:02:13Linus Sebastian:But what does that mean?

4:02:15Luke Lafreniere:I don't remember. It was 10 years ago. What? It just...

4:02:20Linus Sebastian:I've never thought like, Like, oh, I'm desperate to get this working. I better wire these two fan headers together.

4:02:25Luke Lafreniere:There's something...

4:02:26Linus Sebastian:Which is awesome. I just don't get it.

4:02:28Luke Lafreniere:There was something that happened. Like, I caused the one that burned to burn. And the trace, like, flared up. Oh, so you knew to look in that area. Yeah, so there was something intuitively that told me...

4:02:43Linus Sebastian:But if a fan header trace flares up, why does bridging another one to it make the computer boot? Sing rail? But if the fan header doesn't work, who cares?

4:02:54Luke Lafreniere:I don't remember why I thought that would work.

4:02:58Linus Sebastian:I'm sorry, I just don't remember. I really wish I knew that. Short it out, so adding another wire to it? That would make it worse. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. I don't get it. Luke, why don't you understand this? If you remove that wire, the computer does not work.

4:03:19Luke Lafreniere:I got nothing.

4:03:21Linus Sebastian:it doesn't make any sense it instantaneously works no it's it's it hurts my brain and i don't know a lot about that stuff but it still is so confusing to me um he's a wizard it's apparently but like it takes under a time crunch too like the whole thing is just so wild yeah it sounds

4:03:40Luke Lafreniere:fake um and it's it's it's unfortunate how few people like knew about it because somehow that got pulled out of the edit oh yeah no the the remastered like all episodes together upload

4:03:53Linus Sebastian:has it it has that story arc in it now okay okay rod is in here if one had 12 volt and one didn't

4:04:02Luke Lafreniere:then put the 12 volt where it needs to go yeah so he's fried a 12 volt lane that feeds one of the fan headers and the other one has 12 volts and that comes from a different source and so Bridging them together would put 12 volts back into the section of the board that was missing the 12 volts. And then it would work.

4:04:18Linus Sebastian:We need the same 12-volt power. Oh, so it's not about the fan header. It's because the fan header is on the path of something else? Sorry. Is that what's going on? Because my idea is like, if the fan header doesn't work, who cares? No, no, no. It's not about the fan header. No, no, no. Okay. Okay. Does that make sense? Of course, Rod would help me understand. That makes a lot of sense. And that does make more sense. If it's in the path, then you need to... Sure. Okay.

4:04:41Luke Lafreniere:If it was a sense line, then I was like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I'd have to look at it more closely again to understand why I thought that would work. I don't think I did think it would work. I just was... Just messing around. It was just intuitively... You're pretty desperate. Intuitively, it's because we were like hours or minutes from needing to deliver a finished system and our motherboard died. Like there's no...

4:05:05Linus Sebastian:You get to a point in Scrapper Wars where there's like you're kind of done. You're lost.

4:05:11Luke Lafreniere:it's just refinement yeah from there on yeah um your parts list locked yeah and your budget locked you have no budget left anyway so yeah do you still have the motherboard it might be fun to analyze that's exactly what he's talking about it's actually on my desk right now because he

4:05:26Linus Sebastian:wants me to figure it out i do but i mean rod might have just mostly answered the question i should bring it i think rod is coming to whale land i should just bring the motherboard to whale I'll let Rod look at it.

4:05:38Luke Lafreniere:Sure. That could work. Anyway. Bring a multimeter too. Moving on. More. Sure. Hi guys. I made the switch to catchy OS after I kept blue screens when gaming. Most of my time since it's been spent customizing. What are some Linux side quests you've ended up on since the switch?

4:06:01Linus Sebastian:Another thing that I wish I mentioned in that video that I didn't get to prep for was mostly that I actually just don't think about it that much anymore. That's been, I think, the biggest thing that has really hammered home that I can say for me is I'll go days without having the conscious thought of like, I'm on Linux.

4:06:16Luke Lafreniere:The thing that reminded me on my desktop most is that I would glance from the bottom right to see the time. And I'd be like, the time's not here. It's up there.

4:06:28Just move it.

4:06:30Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, but it just doesn't matter. It's up there. Up there is fine. Oh, sure. but just that that was that's what i'm saying though because i was on uh cosmic oh okay yeah so it was just that was out of everything that made me think i'm on linux right now that was the one that happened most often yeah and which is like no big deal and i think that's honestly

4:06:49Linus Sebastian:one of the most the most impactful things about the whole process is that i honestly just don't think about it that much people will be like what is it like and i'm like i i don't know what is using firefox or chrome like yeah i'll launch a game and then i'll be in the game i'll launch firefox then i'm in firefox i'll launch whatever and then i'm in that a good operating

4:07:08Luke Lafreniere:system and just completely gets out of your way and just works yeah and that's that is usually

4:07:12Linus Sebastian:the case um i've done except forza rising six yeah because i have an nvidia card um sorry yeah jerk how how could you i'd be happy to trade you no i was talking to no i i am emma mentioned like yeah because i was like oh it's the card and she was like i have a 7900 xtx right now what she did when she pointed at another nvidia card but she pointed at a card i had on the shelf and she was like can you just fix it with that and i was like well no but for a variety of reasons and one of them is there's no way i'm taking that card out dude i'm not ruining both like it's actually just not changing right yeah your system is uh pretty locked yeah it's it's it's not a it's not an option so it is what it is i would rather not play forza than rip that card out of there

4:08:05Luke Lafreniere:like it's no and if you've seen the build you'll know that what he's saying is actually not crazy

4:08:11Linus Sebastian:yeah and like i i can play it i could just dual boot over to windows figure out how to delete that save and then uh and then play it like it would be fine so i don't know um customization stuff i i did a bunch of drive stuff i got i got really interested in in disk management in linux and how you how you mess around with um f stab people are going to correct me i still think it sounds sick it does uh learning how to mess around with that learning how to mess around with like kde disk manager whatever it's called flipping desktop environments that was fun that was cool but yeah i'm mostly like post customization at this point i got it working the way that i liked and i really just don't think about it that much anymore and i'm sure if i have some time i might want to poke around with something here or there something i'm interested right now is getting because i i've i've read up that apparently it is possible but something i've been interested in now is getting cashy to work nicely with secure boot because right now um yeah anyways that'll probably be my like next jump but i'm not like freaking out about that so it'll be like oh i want to just tinker with my computer this evening or whatever then i'll just do it then that's fine

4:09:30Luke Lafreniere:cool hey duke dinos and land man how are these things not called loot logs question for lnl what was the best part of your worst shoot or vice versa have a good weekend oh i'm gonna go with vice versa i'm gonna pick the shoot that unfortunately the video doesn't seem to exist anymore because it was a production we did for asus of all people uh where luke and i got larping

4:09:55Linus Sebastian:armor and like like fought each other do we have that footage anywhere no no the raw footage was

4:10:02Luke Lafreniere:gone and asus took the video down at some point so it just doesn't really exist anymore um um that sucks yeah it was pretty cool at one point i jump up and i do a two-legged like chest kick on luke and fall and like kind of hurt myself it was probably the most fun that i ever had

4:10:23Linus Sebastian:on a video shoot actually amazing i really liked the like armor setup that i had i thought it was

4:10:29Luke Lafreniere:super cool and the worst part of it was when we didn't secure uh our like our tent our like portable tent thing and it was kind of a windy day and the wind grabbed it and was about to huck it towards like a bunch of innocent bystanders probably injuring someone and an absolute house of a man reached out grabbed one of the legs of it and just like pulled it back down to earth saving our liability insurance rates for years to come so that was the best shoot and the worst part and then like the best part. You're welcome. That was an incredible shoot. I remember,

4:11:09Linus Sebastian:I think you did the double leg kick thing multiple times. No, it took multiple takes

4:11:13Luke Lafreniere:and like I was quite injured by the end of it. I remember him recovering after each one was like, oof. I was on hard ground. Like we were just like in a field, like at a park. Like there was no crash pads and the armor wasn't real.

4:11:32Linus Sebastian:that was a lot of fun I've thought about that video a few times over the years and then always forgot to follow up on like where the heck is it

4:11:42Luke Lafreniere:yeah sorry

4:11:44Linus Sebastian:that's unfortunate I'm very surprised we don't have the footage

4:11:47Luke Lafreniere:yeah we just lost it sometimes we lose stuff sorry hey DLL thinking of starting a YouTube channel solely to promote a highly specialized consulting business through educational videos on the topic. Does LTT ever get consulting requests? Any tips? I guess you just did. I get a lot of consulting requests, and I basically tell everyone the same thing. I'd feel bad asking for the amount of money that I would have to ask for to make it worth me doing instead of doing my job. And so I just say no. so normal consulting grades yeah like i'll i'll i'll answer any question for free because i'm fine and comfortable with that but in terms of like asking to pay me to like consult for you um yeah it's um i don't know maybe part of it's just like a bit of imposter syndrome too Like I, uh, I just feel like not that much of an expert, but then when people like ask and I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm like happy to tell you about that.

4:12:58Luke Lafreniere:And they're like, oh yeah, that's like really helpful. I'm like, okay, good. But all that information that I just gave you should be free. So I don't know, man, like it's, it's, it's part of the same reason that we've, uh, we've never done like a course, like we've never done like a masterclass on how to build a computer or whatever. Business team has been pitching this to me for years at this point. like people would people would pay for like a super high production value like how to how to you know run a small media company or how to how to build a pc or like some just find anything and then just give it to these like these course companies and you'll make like buckets and buckets of money and i'm just like i don't know man i everything everything that i know i learned for free um so i just don't really i don't really know how to charge for my time directly there are exceptions i mean we've done speaking engagements we did one for uh threat locker for zero trust world that was that was fun but that was less about like that wasn't consulting so much as it was just to like kind of fire up the crowd and get people excited about zero trust world right like hey how about we just not allow any random software to run on our organization's machines yeah i mean as an administrator i think it's the kind of thing you can get fired up about yeah i'm so excited right now uh more yeah hit me i really want to see you tear down a cerebris, is it cerebris system, or do a tor?

4:14:34Luke Lafreniere:A million cores on one chip would fit well with your petabyte type projects. Cerebris. Cerebris. Like cerebris? It's semiconductor something. Oh, wait, are these the guys that do the, like, wafer-sized chips or whatever? The size of a... Yeah, I still am not sure exactly what their dealio is. Apparently they're public now, though. where's our gold square then like it's I literally just all I know about these guys is this that they're this much bigger than Nvidia which makes them this much better than GPUs but Nvidia is the one that's a five trillion dollar company so I don't know that's literally all I know about them I'm sorry

4:15:29Luke Lafreniere:greetings wan.dlo what games will be playing and will you be using your linux machines at the whale land enjoy and have a good weekend uh i am probably going to go steal some laptops from the warehouse for whale land because i'm really tired of hauling mine and the kids computers there and they only like stay for a few hours and i only stay for a few hours so i'll probably bring laptops which i know is super lame sorry to be a major disappointment

4:15:57Linus Sebastian:The Bulbasaur is really big and kind of like a huge cube instead of just a more rectangular-ish box. So very annoying to play so the land. I always want to bring it because I want to show it off. But then I can't fit it anywhere. Classic Luke problems. I can't like – it ends up just sitting behind my monitor. And then that just kind of sucks. that is lame yeah so i don't know okay good what scale issue hey we gotta play some super

4:16:34Luke Lafreniere:checks this weekend okay good old i haven't i haven't played since oh no i did i played once i got beat by someone who had never played before i yeah i know i know that's rough yeah yeah i i didn't know how to deal with it like i just i outshot him like four to one like i was like i had a bazillion scoring chances and he would just like like whack it and it would just freaking land in my net and i'm just he beat me like five two or something like it wasn't close on the scoreboard i didn't know how to like deal with this like i do not lose at super checks except to Luke who I beat more than he beats me.

4:17:19Luke Lafreniere:Like I'm pretty good at it for like, not actually like a professional player or whatever, but for someone who just like really loves the game and, and obsesses over it. I, I, I didn't know how to, I didn't know how to deal with it. I'm still not sure how to deal with it. Like you can tell I'm still quite, you fell off, cut up about it. Yeah. I'm unk. Yeah. It's official.

4:17:39Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Unk at the unk game washed up.

4:17:47Luke Lafreniere:at least i'm clean i'm a washed unk yeah yeah yeah there you go you have one of those that's not worth it okay hello lld i just uh just bought and i'm in the process of remodeling slash rewiring my first house anything spoiler free from the tech house series i need to put in my walls while they're open any cool outlets etc conduit be indecisive put in some conduit just in case for later best possible answer yeah and then double the size of the conduit that you thought you were going to put in there because there's always room for more cables yeah conduit don't forget to put like a like a like a pull string into the conduit that was the biggest

4:18:29Linus Sebastian:failure i think we had during our like scramble mold remediation stuff we didn't try to i was just panicking trying to get all the mold out and then have a place i could live again right yeah I didn't slow down to think like all the walls are open.

4:18:44Luke Lafreniere:Maybe now would be a good time.

4:18:46Linus Sebastian:Probably show some conduit in. Yeah. That would have solved a lot of current problems. But like, yeah.

4:18:52Luke Lafreniere:If you put electrical wires. What? Well, what other kind of wire would you use to solve the current problem? Oh my God. And on that note, thanks for tuning into the WAN show. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time. Same batch. Oh, wait. Hey, Crystal, do you want to say hi? I assumed you would. nah she wants to come on camera come on dan yeah you're still not on camera you gotta go pretty far hi all right thanks chris we'll see you later bye

4:19:44We'll see you next time.