Microsoft Has Promised to Fix Windows - WAN Show May 1, 2026

21:29Luke Lafreniere:There's some stuff that I find just completely unnecessary and irritating about macOS. The fact that you have to click on a window first to make it the focus window, before you can interact with a thing. I see it both ways. Like on Windows, sometimes you can, like if a window like pops up and you're like about to click something, you can like accidentally interact with something that you didn't mean to. And I can see how the Mac OS way kind of prevents that. But also it just creates a second click. Like anytime I'm switching between things and I do not find that to be great.

22:08Linus Sebastian:There's a couple little things like that. There's a couple things that feel a little clunky to me just because it, I don't know, it's just not really my style. I do think, however, at this point in time, if there was a killer app on macOS, I wouldn't flinch using it. Yeah. Which I think is not true as of a year ago. So like if I was an editor and it was like, oh boy, I'm going to have to use Final Cut. It's like, okay. I mean, if I have a Mac, yeah, sounds good.

22:34Luke Lafreniere:More Windows news though. Windows insiders can now pause updates indefinitely in 35 day increments. Windows insiders can, oh, and there's no cap on renewals. This is a Windows in, oh, I'm crying out loud. Okay, we need to do a thing where the title and the first line are not the same. Yeah, no, I completely agree.

22:56Linus Sebastian:Also, indefinitely for 35 days?

22:59Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, so for as long as you want, you can keep saying 35 days later. 35 days later. you can also restart or shut down without being forced into an update and restart previously you got five weeks max before windows would force these updates this is only available in the experimental channel which replaced the old dev and canary channels microsoft's own description features here may change get delayed or not ship at all so the people testing this are the ones who opted into the most bleeding edge pre-release builds because they want updates as early as possible. Regular Windows users who've been getting forced restarted mid-meeting for a decade don't have this yet and there's no timeline or confirmation for a general rollout.

23:42Now, our discussion question is

23:45Luke Lafreniere:how did it take Microsoft over a decade to let people decide when their own computer updates? And my crazy hot take response is I actually don't like this. Crazy. People should probably update their computers. When I did my first macOS challenge, so the first time I switched to macOS I think it was on the 5k iMac was the first time I like used nothing but I nothing but macOS for 30 days or 60 days or however long it was the thing that was most life-changing about it for me in a positive way was the way that macOS handled updates at that time and it still does actually and that is that it would say hey there's an update like a little you know little thing and then you'd be like okay and then you would come in the next day in the morning and everything would be exactly where you left it and your computer would have installed all the updates and then opened everything back up right where you left it pausing updates is not the solution better handling of saving all of my work saving my state and then restoring my state and just doing the update when I'm not using my computer is, in my opinion, a way more elegant solution.

25:02Luke Lafreniere:Like, I get agitated when, you know, someone hands me their phone or their computer to use and I see that they're running, like, a year-old build of whatever operating system they're on.

25:16Linus Sebastian:Something I've really started to enjoy is I actually system update way more often on Linux than I did on Windows. But I really like that it just updates everything. Like, that's awesome. Like, I'll get Discord updates. I'll get any other software that I have. It'll just update my entire system all at once. I'm not individually updating programs.

25:37Luke Lafreniere:But are you asking for the Microsoft? I mean, the Microsoft Store is the thing that exists. And Windows can manage your updates for you. But I think most of us choose not to use it.

25:44Linus Sebastian:Just make it not terrible, though. like i i that but honestly i think that's really the solution like games for windows would have been fine if it wasn't dog crap microsoft store would be totally fine people like package managers on linux they just don't always uh suck complete but and a lot of the time the microsoft yeah the first one that i had on on cache he sucked and then i i went with kde and now i actually really like it but um and the one that comes packaged with mint is like fantastic to be honest but it's it's very up and down but the microsoft store in my opinion is like the the the problem

26:22Luke Lafreniere:yeah and the fact that windows update and the microsoft store are not integrated yeah like

26:28Linus Sebastian:crazy like if the best way to install stuff on windows was microsoft store because microsoft store wasn't an annoying piece of crap and also because that way it would just auto update along with Windows Update and just made everything really smooth.

26:41Luke Lafreniere:And like, why do I have to go digging for a driver update? And I know that Microsoft has actually done a lot of really good work around like automatic driver management. But the fact that some of it is over here and some of it is like, it'll never update unless I like go and get it. And some of it is handled by like Armory Crate. And some of it is in Windows Update. And like the fact that it's everywhere is... It's one of those things where the first thing that someone would tell me from Microsoft or even a viewer would tell me is, well, that's not X's fault. Or that's because of this freedom of choice here.

27:27Luke Lafreniere:And you know what? Those things are super, super true. But you know what? As a user, from a user perspective, I don't give a flying f**k whose fault it is. yeah it doesn't matter it doesn't matter what matters is that it's a terrible user experience and somebody needs to fix it like the way that um and this is while you think of that this is what

27:53Linus Sebastian:i'm talking about like all the time when i talk about how it's actually it's not even here right now so i keep gesturing at it but my my laptop when i talk about how it's actually easier and like less annoyance and more productivity to use it this is what i'm talking about i don't have to go around and update all these individual apps. I'm not like part way through working on something and then I need to open another app to do something and oh my god now that needs an update whatever. No, I just update once and it does everything and it's fine and it works. It's great. Everyone freaks you out when you go to any Archbase distro because they're like oh it's rolling.

28:28Linus Sebastian:You're going to update. It's going to break everything. When I go to update on Cashi, it checks Arch news. Oh. And it It'll be like, oh, no, this one might require manual intervention. He might not want to install this right now. And it's like, okay. And I just close it. And then I wait until it doesn't.

28:46Luke Lafreniere:Just do it that way. Like it's... Harry G made a good point. The driver nightmares because of third parties. They don't want to ship their drivers via Windows Update because they can't bundle their bloatware with it. So then Microsoft should just straight up stop Wickel certifying anything that requires bloatware to be shipped with it. Like these are things that Microsoft... Flex your muscle, man. They flex their muscle to do the wrong things. They're flexing their muscle to put stupid candy crush in my stupid operating system. No, flex your muscle to do things that enhance the user experience and make Windows more secure and faster and more powerful and more usable.

29:27Luke Lafreniere:All right, let's jump into, ooh, okay, this is one of our bad news for this week. Intel has reportedly cancelled discrete gaming GPUs in the upcoming Xe3p Arc Celestial family. According to Intel leaker Jayken, Intel cancelled their discrete GPUs. So these are the add-in cards for Celestial long ago. That means that the Arc B580, so this is their Battle Mage generation, will remain Intel's latest gaming GPU with no clear successor in sight. xc3p will show up in data center and workstation products just not gaming cards the next gen xc4 druid architecture is expected late 2027 but whether it gets a gaming gpu in jay kin's words is up in the air intel has not confirmed or denied any of this our discussion question here is if intel quietly walks away from gaming gpus what happens to gpu pricing the answer is it goes up

30:40Linus Sebastian:however however the answer is nothing however unfortunately i um i really want to keep the

30:48Luke Lafreniere:this is something that me too former intel ceo pat gelsinger um allowed to continue intel's discrete GPU ambitions. And I really hope that Liputan does not kill. I know that there's a lot of like issues with the consumer cards that, you know, like being low margin and catering to a super noisy, high maintenance customer base. Let's face it, gamers are not the easiest customers to deal with but i really do believe and if they're the strongest argument that i can make for this is so does jensen huang who is the ceo of from time to time the world's most valuable company i really do believe that the innovation on the gaming side makes the enterprise and professional sides better and stronger for all the work that they do and also gives you a volume market that you can dump silicon into to help fund all the development that you need to do like you i don't think it makes sense to build a gpu business that doesn't have a consumer arm if you've all like you've already done so much of the work for alchemist and battle mage to fix the backwards compatibility and to refine the architecture um please please just give us a bigger desktop version of you know what you're already shipping like amazing technology on on like laptop like please don't let it die and if you have to skip celestial fine don't skip druid don't skip druid we need more options and gamers it's like the windows thing like gamers are they're mad at microsoft they're mad at nvidia but you've got to give them a better option or they're just going to begrudgingly stay there forever and like oh man like intel continues to put in the work on the software side you gotta give us hardware to run it on let's go yeah you know yep um thank you for coming to my ted talk uh dan what are we supposed to be doing you can keep doing topics or we can do uh the cw announcement oh i feel like i should probably talk about the cw announcements do you want to do you want to fire up the site sure this week it's a huge week for creator warehouse is shipstorm still running uh yes looks like it i believe so so the ship storm sale is still running so now is an amazing time to pick up uh i mean basically anything at ltt store so we've got buy more save more on our blank t-shirts uh we've got deals running on our scribe driver bolt action um pen and pencil as well as our long sleeve t-shirts and then uh hold on hold on let me see if i can find the details and we have some super cool new items.

33:57Luke Lafreniere:So ShipStorm, free shipping across Canada on orders over$150 and worldwide on orders over$225. And then on the US site, oh no, I wish I had these details ready. I'm so sorry, you guys. And then on the US site, ShipStorm is, yeah, free US-wide shipping on orders over$150. And then Floatplane Supporter Plus. So if you're on Floatplane at the Supporter Plus tier, it actually goes down to just 100 US dollars. So it's a great time to join float plane. Also, we have some new arrivals. So yeah, Luke's laptop. We have some new prints for our party shirts. Yeah. These are flipping amazing. Want to give us a, want to give us a closeup of that.

34:43Linus Sebastian:Are you serious right now? Laptop zoom. This touchpad is a little weird. It's not the site. It's a touchpad. Cursors. Yeah. Some of them are, are hourglasses.

34:53Luke Lafreniere:How cute is that? hands some of them are pointers right that's fun yeah and then we've also got okay this one's this one's sick let's let me are you okay that works there we go yeah so this is like a very kind of 90s and like 90s screensaver and computing and also i don't know work from home it's got a whole bunch of different like vibes like work from the beach kind of yeah like the palm trees and stuff just like don't mind me here chilling on my like crt laptop or whatever and then this one's meant to just be like a very wearable uh lollipop lollipop print totally not inspired by anything else that looks like that it's lollipops it's uh it's it's uh it's candies it's umbrellas it definitely is not a beach ball 100 not a beach ball uh we've also got the spinning wheel of death pin set okay well now we've really gotten rid of any plausible deniability that we could have had around where that design inspiration came from so here's our pin set that is yeah definitely not a beach ball except for the one that definitely is a beach ball so we've got candy umbrella as well as a lollipop in there.

36:13Luke Lafreniere:What else do we got? Oh, yeah, so you can get yours at lmg.gg slash party shirt and lmg.gg slash wheel of death. If you're looking for something that's a little bit more low key, we've also got two new polo colors plus a restock on black. So soft cotton blend with a bit of stretch so it's comfortable without feeling sloppy. Clean, simple look that works whether you dress it up or keep it casual. These are just easy to put on pieces that go with pretty much anything and that you can wear it pretty much anywhere and you can shop at lmg.gg slash polos. We also do this kind of fun thing where we have like a little kind of splash of accent color down there.

36:53Luke Lafreniere:There you go. Polo shirts, dress blues, brilliant white and black. Look a bunch of happier ploof looks. Come on, Reese, would it kill you to smile? Love that guy. We did an upgrade for him yesterday. We're bringing back Setup Doctor and his setup needed some doctoring. He streams, he games, he does like unboxings of fancy shoes. He had so many shoes. So we helped a little bit with the organization of that. We got him like a new desk setup and he tufts. That's like carpet tufting. And so we got like a much more ergonomic, space efficient setup in his little room where he does all of those things.

37:35Luke Lafreniere:So that was a fun shoot, guys. Don't miss that one. Lots of good vibes. also uh okay yeah that's pretty much it so yeah now's a great time to get an order in also i think that a lot of people probably missed it but um hold on where are they yeah cables so we did have a small restock hit our u.s distribution hub today for true spec cables uh okay yeah many of the sizes are already out of stock again the only way that you're going to have a shot of getting these guys is to make sure that you get the notify me because when they hit they're gone so uh there's nothing i can do about that it's in priority sequence you guys gotta you gotta get in there um so yeah we had an order hit today and then you can actually you can actually see in the dashboard where it hits here check this out this is hilarious

38:41Luke Lafreniere:uh gee luke can you tell me where the cable restock was yeah i mean maybe we're there maybe You were the snake ate the deer. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So make sure you do that. All right. Two comms. Oh, right. So if you're placing an order now, it's a perfect time because we have what we call checkout messages. When we stream, we don't want you guys to just throw money at us for nothing. We want to work for it. That's right. Me, Luke, and Dan. We all want to work for it. so instead of having people just send like twitch bits or super chats or whatever we created what are called checkout messages or comms all you got to do to send one is head on over to ltdstore.com add something like oh our new flex pants to your cart and go to the checkout there it is you can choose to have it displayed as a checkout message you can make your name anonymous or you can show your name you can send a little message and then you can choose your color and whether or not you want to opt in to email communication about your message this will help us follow things up with you if you want all right then you go ahead and place your order and it will go to producer dan i already waved i don't know what to do now uh you'll have to come up with something wave with the other hand nice solid it looks weird i'm not used to doing that it hurts anyway it'll go to producer dan who will reply to your checkout message or will pop it up down here or up there or who will curate it for me and Luke and unsoft and Dan to respond to.

40:16Luke Lafreniere:Dan, do you want to do a couple for us? Yeah, sure. Hey, DLL, currently visiting Vancouver with my wife and kids. I had no idea it was so beautiful. Capilino Park is awesome. Yeah. Do any of you guys go hiking or anything like that? Not as much as I should. literally we were like flying over the the like outer vancouver region and i was like luke did you have any idea that there were this many hiking trails in this area but it looked like a

40:50Linus Sebastian:wherever we particularly were at the time i think it was over like chilliwack or whatever that's very likely yeah it looks like a video game map it was like there was just so many trails yes it

41:01Luke Lafreniere:It was crazy. And they weren't, they didn't seem to be like dried riverbeds. Like they seemed to be hiking trails. Oh yeah. The entire area was just littered with them. And I was like, how have I never been on any of these? Some of them are pretty great. Absolutely ridiculous. My team is pretty legendary. So yeah, we should. Have you ever done the grind? No. I've always gone the other way.

41:26Linus Sebastian:Gone the other way? Yeah. What's the other way? Isn't the grind North Van? Yeah. Yeah, I've always gone like out.

41:34Luke Lafreniere:Oh, I thought you meant you've always like gone down it.

41:37Linus Sebastian:I take that, yeah, I take that gondola up. You're literally not even allowed. Like it's... That would also be the one way that would be really bad for my knees. Yeah. Is to go down.

41:48Luke Lafreniere:Okay, well, if you ever want to do the grind, I'll do the grind. It's called the Grouse Grind. It's on Grouse Mountain. You can like hike up the mountain. It's, yeah. It's pretty savage.

41:58Linus Sebastian:Wait till your knees are good. It's more of like a workout than what you might expect from a traditional hike. This is fair. It's just like an incredible amount of stairs. Which is awesome. There's people that do it like literally every day. Like it's great. It's just quite a bit of a different experience from what I've heard. My brother shot up there recently. Hi, WAN.DLL.

42:21Luke Lafreniere:First off, SAN update win. I'm a storage and backup engineer and that is my daily bread and butter. Second, did you consider any centralized backup solution? Also, why so few tall shirts? Now I can see why you curated this one, Dan. That's a really good question. Yeah, Linus. We are expanding slowly our selection of tall merchandise. We have to go slow and steady. Sure. This may be a surprise to you, all of you, but physical goods are an extremely cashflow sensitive business. Every new product requires a brand new upfront investment that may or may not pay off. And we just have to be careful. We have to go slow.

43:09Luke Lafreniere:We have to be careful. We're not taking private equity. We don't have outside investors. So every time we launch a new product, that's the product team working with me and working with our other leadership and going, okay, here's all the chips. These are our chips. Here we are betting them. Let's hope it pays off. It doesn't always. We've got to be careful. It really is that simple and also complicated.

43:36Linus Sebastian:I think the new war is going to have to be over pants. Tall pants. I know when, not even necessarily tall pants, just when you guys launched the flex pants, I was really surprised the inseam length was 29. And then on an internet forum, somebody posted like, wow, LTT store really makes me feel really tall. And it was in relation to those pants. Because they're like, wait, inseam 29 is all the, yeah.

44:09Luke Lafreniere:Pants are tough, man. There's, you have to have all the waist sizes. Ideally, you would have all the inseam sizes. We've done as much as two inseam sizes for a pair of pants. I believe the cargo pants, we have two inseams for it. And it literally doubled. Like, you got to think about it in terms of skew count. You literally double your skew count. And if we still had everything consolidated at a single distribution center, that would be a little bit easier. But every additional layer of complexity you add, it's a multiplier. It's not additive. It's multiplicative. So was that like, I'm just genuinely curious.

44:50Linus Sebastian:we've sold pants before so was that like did we have was most of our orders 29 or like how did we

44:56Luke Lafreniere:land on 29 um we landed on that as sort of a like a best middle ground for most people really yeah okay yep and what we would have probably done if we had another skew is we would have gone longer

45:16Linus Sebastian:yeah but that was one of those ones where the tech pants are 30 and 32 people also got a kick

45:24Luke Lafreniere:out of you guys calling tall 32 there's degrees of tall i'm at 32 so yeah yeah it's tall dan's

45:37Linus Sebastian:pretty tall what do we call maybe it's stumpy like jonathan and conrad and lucas and those guys I mean, Lucas. Towers.

45:45Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

45:46Linus Sebastian:Like.

45:47Luke Lafreniere:Okay, SAN update. I am still not convinced that SAN is the right solution for us. Every time I've asked someone who's very pro storage area network why we should have one, they have not given me a satisfactory answer. NAS seems like the way to go for us. We don't have the same kind of like resiliency and like cross-org access complications that you might have if you're like, I don't know, flipping like multinational or if you're like, you know, you're running a data center that has, you know, CPU compute over here and GPU compute over here. So you need to have like a storage network that they all access.

46:35Luke Lafreniere:Like we don't have any of those use cases. We just have individual users accessing file level resources that are centrally stored. Can someone explain to me why we need SAN?

46:52Linus Sebastian:I think Floatplane has SAN.

46:54Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, Floatplane does, but... Do we have no Ceph locally? I think you're using Ceph, right?

46:58Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Do we have no Ceph locally? I don't think so.

47:01Luke Lafreniere:I don't think there was a reason to. It was a pitch at one point. Yeah. and then we didn't go that route uh it's all redundancy yeah but we don't need that much redundancy we have the one share that is like the current projects actually redundant and replicated places share and then everything else we made a conscious decision and it's been it you know it it's it's funny for me seeing people sort of go oh remember that time they lost data yes yes, yes, yes. We've, other than, okay, when we lost WANIC, that was bad. But the time that our vault had some data loss, we had made a conscious decision that this was non-essential archived data, and that if we lost it, we had decided that it was not worth the additional expense of replicating that storage.

47:55Luke Lafreniere:And that's especially true today, man. Storage has gotten so expensive. And so we've made the decision that we only really need the projects we're working on and every other like random snippet of footage if we lost it we lost it it doesn't really matter and so going for something more complicated more expensive that requires more administration i just i don't um i don't see the point oh are you talking are you literally talking to aj in chat right now

48:29Linus Sebastian:and jonathan they're both in here we do have seph on prem um it's just in the lab and it's just an mvp right now sure and there's only a few things kind of running into it but the thing is when you take aj and jonathan and you throw them in the pool of it people that do stuff for lmg they come from cef and kubernetes land yep so like it why not it becomes i think a lot more reasonable it's it's a right tool for the right job for the right person type of situation we have aj and jonathan we might as well do this thing it doesn't necessarily mean that it's a

49:06Luke Lafreniere:recommendation for everybody um like tcl 987 says i would think you'd want san for running vms so that a storage node going down doesn't take down the vms too in terms of like like critical on the media group side and the creator warehouse side which make up the majority of our revenue, I can think of like a couple of VMs we run. Like sure on the float plane side. Yeah. Yeah, sure. You're a hundred percent right. Like you want that redundancy built into that storage network that everything else is using. But yeah, for video editing, we don't, we don't have nodes of storage. we just have a storage server that every periodically backs up to another one

50:01Linus Sebastian:so if floatplane was on-prem you need it floatplane has it anyways yeah i just i just said

50:06Luke Lafreniere:yeah yeah um oh faint locket asks can you explain what san is so basically the idea is that instead of having your storage in each machine right like this and this and then like allocating uh you know like instead of putting like a drive into your computer and going okay here virtual machine this is like your drive uh san is an entire an entire separate network of machines whose entire job is to provide storage for all the other machines on the network big pool yeah so whether whether their job is to run vms or whether their job is to uh serve media or whether their job is for the editors to access it all of these compute resources will just instead of having local storage over the network they will access this this storage network which is entirely separate boxes that maybe don't need a ton of compute but do need like a butt ton of storage and then this this storage network is going to be built with redundancies and, and safeties that make it so that if one of these machines goes down, all the other machines that are doing all of your web serving and all of your, your compute or all of your research or whatever it is they're doing are still able to access their storage as if nothing happened.

51:35Luke Lafreniere:So it's a way of, of distributing your storage to make it so that a failure will not impact your operation at all rather than taking down one of your nodes but we have so few nodes outside of the float plane side and so little critical critical infrastructure that i just uh i'm just not convinced that it is relevant for us um yeah torpedo bench describes it as kind of like raid but at a much bigger scale and that's kind of a way of thinking about it instead of your one machine having multiple drives, one of which could fail. All of your machines have like a bunch of machines that have a bunch of drives in them and an entire machine could fail and then they'd be able to still access it.

52:24Luke Lafreniere:It's kind of a neat way of thinking about it. And then NAS is more like, it's like a storage area network that's not really a network. It's just a standalone resource that all of those things can access over the network that might have some redundancy in the form of Raid, for instance, but it doesn't have multi-machine level redundancy. That's about the kind of simplest way that I can summarize it.

52:57Luke Lafreniere:Okay, yeah, time to do more topics.

53:02Luke Lafreniere:No. legendary ZSNES Nintendo emulator has been rewritten from scratch with GPU acceleration the original developers of ZSNES or ZSNES or ZSNES whatever you want to call it ZSNES night and demo are back together for the first time in nearly two decades with super ZSNES a complete ground up rewrite of the legendary SNES emulator that dates back to the DOS era and the first Super Nintendo emulator that I ever used. I have personally played through Final Fantasy VI on this emulator, Chrono Trigger on this emulator. Like, man, I have very fond memories of using this oftentimes uncooperative, but quite treasured piece of software.

53:56Luke Lafreniere:It was what, yeah, it was what everybody used for a long time. The last major release was almost 20 years ago, though. So, big change here is a GPU-powered PPU core that enables high-res mode 7, widescreen support in supported games, overclocking for games that were notorious for slowdown, uncompressed audio, and per-game visual enhancements that the devs are calling Super Enhancement Engine. It also keeps the classic Falling Snow UI. It's available now on Windows, Mac, Linux, and Android with iOS coming soon. And the devs made a point of listing no Vibe Coding as an official feature. Everything was handwritten the classic way.

54:39Luke Lafreniere:Now, with that said, I have heard that it's a little buggy. It is an early build. Special chips like the Super FX are not supported yet. But in a world where Vibe Coding is everywhere, is no Vibe Coding a selling point for this for you? would you want to try it i want to try it i'm spoiler i want to try it uh i don't know if like

55:05Linus Sebastian:no vibe coding is particularly a selling point but i'm gonna try anyways

55:08Luke Lafreniere:i wanna i wanna i wanna hear you talk about that

55:14Linus Sebastian:if stuff is properly like i i know people that use vibe coding stuff in a way that i would consider properly and i know people that use vibe coding in a way that i would hyper aggressively not consider properly um if these two guys said that they used ai assisted tools i don't think

55:38Luke Lafreniere:i'd be too concerned about it interesting so to you it's more about having who's wielding the tool having the skills and having the street cred to take shortcuts and no to like review it and make

55:55Linus Sebastian:sure that bad stuff doesn't get through still um because it also is also depends like did they say no okay so no vibe coding specifically so okay maybe yeah maybe that is particularly a good

56:07Luke Lafreniere:thing but like ai assisted so here's the quote the quote no vibe coding classic development style but that's pretty ambiguous yeah because like classic well to them 20 years ago might be just

56:20Linus Sebastian:no assistance i don't think it's that they haven't been doing work they just haven't been working on zsness no yeah that's fair um but yeah i mean ai assisted coding has been a thing for a super long time yeah peter said this and i i mean i've said this on wanshow like a billion times and i just still agree with it the buck stops with the one who commits the code a hundred percent it goes back to that IBM thing that I've also shown on my show before. Quote, a computer cannot be held responsible. Let's find the slide here. A computer cannot be held accountable. Therefore, a computer must never make a management decision.

57:01Linus Sebastian:And a management decision is to commit code. So, like, from the vibe that I get from this team, these two people, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't particularly be too concerned about it. But there will be people that will vibe code something, and they'll tell me that excitedly, and I know who it is, and I know how much work and development they've done, and I'll be like, oh boy i'm excited to see how many different ways this breaks um i wonder how many security keys are like hard-coded and publicly readable like things like that why you have to call me out like that no no that never happened oh no no um security key for your google sheet yeah

57:46Luke Lafreniere:speaking of the linus vibe coding challenge the project is officially dead unfortunately in the form of a video, but I'm still trying to turn it into at least if it can be cobbled together relatively easily a float plane video or something. So the problem is not that I was not able to vibe code a solution. I was, and it's actually been in production since I vibe coded it, which is like six months ago now or something which is the problem by the time we would be releasing this video everything that i did is so far removed yeah from the current state of ai and vibe coding that it just doesn't make any sense to talk about it entire thing like yeah yeah which i could probably do in fact i could probably do way faster with better tools and now that I've done it.

58:42Luke Lafreniere:But the entire premise of the video for me was as someone who's never done this, what does that look like? And we would no longer be answering that question. The other thing that it wasn't killed because of is our real developer. Our real developer was able to create a solution, but because of scheduling and stuff and people being busy, I still haven't seen it. so what i was hoping that we could still do is have um like have me sit down and like have it shown to me and then like yeah dan could just kind of walk me through it yeah and then we just do that on camera sure and then we can do that as and then i could do like a short little summary he already walked me through it on camera okay perfect and then we and then we can just throw that up on float plane or something like that yeah um another sorry are you done no i just and then i probably i probably need a little bit more of his time though because i need it to work for mixed doubles and singles as well also ultimately i mean you're you you pay his checks so well i know but but then why did we have to do this whole vibe coding so the vibe coding challenge started because i needed some development resources for something that didn't really matter um but then then it mattered because it was a video but then now it's not a video i feel like it would have been better for us to just say hey can i have some of dan siegel's

1:00:12Linus Sebastian:time it's it's easier now and more appropriate now i think so if you want some of this time it makes sense uh i wanted to say one more thing on the super zed schniss thing yeah um i think there's also a like is a can i classify this as a cry wolf problem i don't know i watched a short clip last night before completely tearing down my entire computer setup of Shroud going back to Counter-Strike because I was interested because what I've heard is that Counter-Strike is covered in cheaters and the title didn't say anything about cheaters it just said Shroud goes back to Counter-Strike the first time of years or whatever so I watched it in the first two games he was in there was two blatant cheaters and it's this thing where like modern especially FPS games but modern every game basically don't kid yourself there's people like cheating like rocket leave league and mmos and everything you can imagine um with with cheaters freaking everywhere something that has ruined something that has ruined it's a weird sentence whatever um is defeat because it it often feels like there's a built-in excuse for everything yes so if you don't think that people are cheating or if it's they're probably not then it's like oh man that guy's really good i want to watch this replay and try to learn from them right but if it's like i don't know there's usually at least one cheater per lobby then it's like that guy's just cheating screw that guy and it like it it loses a lot of the like the interesting nature

1:01:51Luke Lafreniere:of losing if that makes sense how do you how do you how do you get motivation from loss if the competition was never fair. How do you get like a rival?

1:02:02Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Like, you know, back when there was dedicated servers and you'd jump on a server and there was always that freaking guy who just... Yeah, who'd get you like every time. Yeah. And then you train and you get better and you beat that guy and then it feels good. Like that type of stuff is just kind of gone from cheating. And I think something that they're dodging here to bring it back to Super SNES, Super Zed SNES, is they're saying no vibe coding. So if it comes out and it has a bug, you don't get to go, ah, it's probably just modern AI junk spaghetti code. Right. Because they're saying, no.

1:02:36Linus Sebastian:No. If there's a bug, it's because we didn't... So that part, I think is... We haven't fixed that yet.

1:02:40Luke Lafreniere:That part, I think, is kind of cool. I think that's super cool.

1:02:42Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1:02:45Luke Lafreniere:Want to pick a topic?

1:02:46Linus Sebastian:Sure. What do we got here? Sony finally responds to PlayStation DRM Panic, says only a one-time license check is needed. no 30-day requirement. This was confusing if you weren't on top of this news because you're a PC person. There was a mysterious 30-day license timer showing up on PlayStation Digital Games purchased after March 2026's firmware update. So people were freaking out, what is this 30-day thing? Modders on Twitter spotted it first, but things spiraled when PlayStation's own AI support chatbots told users that they'd lose access every 30 days unless they were online, which is just not true to be clear that's just what the chatbot said with nobody sure what was real players started just testing stuff trying to see what was going on youtuber spawn wave pulled his ps5 cmos battery to simulate a timer expiring and watched his brand new digital purchases just refuse to load with a license error nice what actually happens if you miss the window is that the game stops working until you connect back to the internet it doesn't delete it or get revoked permanently or anything like that.

1:03:51Linus Sebastian:Once you're back online, access is restored, and I believe once it does that actual check-in, you do get a permanent token. Sony says that if you launch the game once while connected, a one-time check kicks in, and the 30-day timer won't apply at all ever again, it's fine. Okay. But, testing from ResetEra user and Shrew found it's not quite that simple. There appears to be around a 15-day delay before the console actually converts your temporary license into a permanent one, a permanent offline one. Until that conversion happens, going offline for 30 days will lock you out. That 15-day window lines up suspiciously close to PlayStation's 14-day refund period, suggesting that this might have been an anti-fraud measure because apparently some people were buying games, going offline, having their offline version, refunding the game.

1:04:46Luke Lafreniere:Right.

1:04:48Linus Sebastian:yeah uh sony hasn't confirmed that part but apparently that has been happening so yeah makes sense uh sony has now officially responded to game spot saying a one-time check is required to confirm the game's license after which no further check-ins are required the drm is real but it's not the always online nightmare that people feared that said sony rolled this out silently and let the panic build for a freaking week before saying a single thing ah as a company

1:05:16Luke Lafreniere:that sometimes

1:05:22Luke Lafreniere:has things fester in the community I understand it both ways I can understand why it seems crazy that Sony didn't say anything for a week and then I can equally understand all the mechanisms and checks that external comms need to go through especially in the midst of a crisis and why it can take a while I I'm going to firmly stand on both sides going wide yes strong firm stance

1:06:09Linus Sebastian:I don't love this I understand their whole trying to dodge the fraud thing

1:06:14Luke Lafreniere:honestly it seems better than steam and we hold Steam up on this like this pillar this pedestal. How is it better than Steam? Steam checks like all the time. Yeah, but if you go offline Yeah, then it works

1:06:28Linus Sebastian:which is fine. You play single player games. Yeah, not always. They'll make you check once in a while. Oh. I guess I've never been offline long enough to notice.

1:06:36Luke Lafreniere:As someone who, actually it seems like it's been a little better lately but there was definitely a period where they had cracked down on it quite a bit and we would really run into it like on set can you just run the executables out of the folder no no because it'll still launch steam and it'll still do a drm check so so we'd run into this on set when we only had like one copy of a game and we'd try to like pull the ethernet cord and then launch it on the next computer and then pull the ethernet cord and then launch it on the next one pull the ethernet cord so obviously this is like not a you know classic use case but i have definitely run up against this um i i haven't many times on steam i haven't done this often

1:07:14Linus Sebastian:but i have not ran into it opening steam when you try to just run the executable for the game

1:07:18Luke Lafreniere:i've had it just launched the game okay people in chat are saying they definitely do does it depend on the game because from my understanding definitely see it depending on it's not like gog where part of the deal is that there's no online drm like with steam there there's online drm it's like a feature, not a bug.

1:07:36Linus Sebastian:I bet you it depends on the game. It depends on whether the game uses Steamworks, which is Steam's DRM. That also makes sense.

1:07:42Luke Lafreniere:Kuz Kuz Captain says, can you keep your Steam deck in offline mode for just a limited amount of time? Yeah, from my understanding, it'll eventually need to phone home. But correct me if I'm wrong. Like I said, this is something that I ran into more before. And lately, when we've been doing the Ethernet unplug thing, now that I'm thinking about it, it's been a little more successful. TCL 987 says steamworks and steam drm are independent um blah blah a lot of games use steam library stuff for networking voice chat etc yeah so it's probably gonna be dependent on the game somewhat um man one thing that i find really annoying as somebody who has to set up a system for travel probably more often than most people because when i'm traveling is often when i'll have time to like oh yeah i'm gonna try out the steam controller so i need like to load a bunch of games onto a system before i go i really really wish there was a way to with one button like do the pre-launch crap for every game on my system because if i'm like if i have no internet or i'm or i'm somewhere remote with very slow internet or whatever like okay like installing stuff not shaders you mean no like get the dot net whatever get the redistributable whatever install all dependencies do your drm check yeah like to install all dependencies because like it's it's become it's become more and more of an annoyance over time how many steam games have other launchers or have random dependencies especially on linux uh which i've been using more lately uh where they'll have to grab like proton crap ahead of time uh so if i so if installing the game installed the game so that i just click go and it goes i would actually i would love that so if valve is taking suggestions right now uh that's something that i'd love to see steam level up on ever so slightly when i install a game do all of it assume that my intention when i install a game is to play the game um not just not just enjoy it being in my ready to play filter um

1:09:55Luke Lafreniere:okay uh ignacy says as a game dev requiring steam is a toggle in the sdk api yeah okay game either confirm steam is open and connected on steamworks initialization or it doesn't

1:10:07Linus Sebastian:so that explains why just tried to open different games we both would have had

1:10:11Luke Lafreniere:completely different experiences because both are both are true that makes sense um

1:10:17Linus Sebastian:it's not like a thing i do all the time so i wasn't super confident in it

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1:12:44Linus Sebastian:yeah okay well come on what is this do the announcements first what what's happening

1:12:52Luke Lafreniere:right now you want us to do the read dan point at him show how he's being weird wait what wait what yeah he's like holding a monitor look at that guy what's up with that look at that guy i don't understand what's happening what's he doing if you read the document you'll know he's up to something all right i'm gonna read the document i'm reading the document you know what the l in linus stands for oh there's a lot of floatplane exclusives about me this week in the first video sammy gave me such a wonderful welcome back gift to welcome me back to the office he will be fired for this injunction okay so first of all sammy that's not really what injunction means is it not no oh um it's about five and second of all you're not fired allegedly um okay anyway this is the video uh people really loved this video on float plane i came back to work and my entire office had been gift wrapped um to this day this is still how i feel about it

1:13:58Luke Lafreniere:anywho um and if pc building is more your style i went head to head against elijah jordan and pankrats to see who can build a pc the fastest at linus media group wow did any of you wear a horse head dude you filmed that ages ago that video is just coming out it's from forever we should do yeah we should do a video on who's the fastest to edit a video at linus media group because i think i think you would not be in good shape four hours and eight povs i had to edit and then i got i was the other stuff what kind of videos you editing with the povs sick huh you disgust me get your mind out of the gutter uh anyway so that exclusive went up very recently oh yeah you guys are you guys are loving this one too just upload that today okay i'm not going to scroll down to the comments because i feel like it's going to be somewhat debatable who won so it's probably going to come down to commenters to decide who uh who did it best uh what else is going on on float plane uh to wrap it up we've uploaded the full interview with the creator of pop os carl rochelle that's pretty cool tech quickie has been doing a ton of interviews with interesting people lately so if you want to hear more from our special guests we'll be uploading them to float plane very cool check out the sea of exclusives at lmg.gg slash FPWan.

1:15:14Luke Lafreniere:And don't forget, guys, that now is a better time than ever to subscribe to Floatplane because at the supporter plus tier, you'll be getting a lower threshold for ShipStorm free shipping. Now, Sammy has a special show and tell for us. What do you want, Sammy?

1:15:32Linus Sebastian:You can't get mad at me, Linus.

1:15:34Luke Lafreniere:Hold on. You're telling me I can't get mad at you?

1:15:39Linus Sebastian:Can I stand here?

1:15:40Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. You can stand anywhere you want. touch the foils so you know you don't have a mic here though how did we is it no this this was last minute i forgot you're not here next to me that's why okay so you know you know the uh the the chair you bought with uh david um oh you mean the hold on uh yeah hold on yes i'll bring i'll

1:16:01Linus Sebastian:bring this up so people commission machine gun chair yes that one so so here this was uh this

1:16:07Luke Lafreniere:was yesterday's video uh it has actually one of my favorite intros that we've done in quite a while uh okay that that wasn't it what are you watching what are you there we go no no we're good we're good but this is a gaming chair um so you can yeah so we had i love david crawling so but uh anyway solid effort david i'm not gonna take too much time today okay so i promised i would daily drive that thing for 30 days i did not approve that uh the ergonomics are like not safe in my opinion is this a good monitor you think yeah do you like it yes you like that monitor um so uh the the lumbar i agree is bad so i was trying to adjust it yeah did you know that thing has no limiters

1:17:06Luke Lafreniere:Sammy you can see my hand here when I physically try to stop it it did not stop

1:17:13Linus Sebastian:there's no limiter on that chair

1:17:15Luke Lafreniere:yes I know

1:17:16Linus Sebastian:I didn't know that so then it broke I'm sorry I'm sorry I felt so bad

1:17:25Luke Lafreniere:I'm so sorry I'm so sorry but I record for flow plane uh so you'll see my reaction on there where you see my my the horror in my face as i try to save this monitor oh my god it's mangled that's deep i didn't actually realize you know like the uh the keyboard like plate it went through it did it occur to you to stop it not with your hand like by pressing the button so the button wasn't responsive it wasn't oh no the one remote doesn't like work yeah i didn't know you have to use the other did you think to watch the video before i watched like i watched most with you i was like i know enough and then i didn't know

1:18:02Linus Sebastian:i didn't know this you are the problem i know i'm the problem i i okay linus would have just

1:18:09Luke Lafreniere:read the comments i'm sorry yeah and through reading the comments i would have known all the critical information that he didn't have you i will die on this hill you are better off reading all the comments on a video than like watching the first 30 of it i watched 50 i you I still maintain you're better off reading the comments on a video than watching only half of it. I am sorry. But I have my reaction on it on Full Play next week. So we have some content.

1:18:38Linus Sebastian:You know that crazy expensive computer you built for them? I feel like you have to take the value of this monitor out of that computer somehow.

1:18:45Luke Lafreniere:They took away my GPU already. Really? I stood up for you. I know you did. I appreciate it. You saw me stand up for you. I said they shouldn't take it away. You know why they took it? Your department. Oh, get on. Yeah, I'll be with you. get on let's get him linus get owned yeah i don't think the two of us could take it with this broken monitor i just might it's very durable all right thank you sammy it's very i'm very sorry i'm very sorry i feel so bad i'm sorry oh man that's a really nice monitor i know i'm sorry what's the what's the model that's not the 4k one is it it's like 800 canadian oh i'm sorry i did it wasn't intentional i'm sorry i'm sorry i feel so bad what monitor is it uh it's a It's an Alienware something.

1:19:26Luke Lafreniere:You know that you're the one holding it who can see the model number, right? Yeah, we're going to have to get him there. Yeah, it's always on there. He's going to drop it. I mean, that's fine at this point. Sammy's one of those guys that we make a video with him, and then half the comments are like, why does this guy even work there? You're getting glass on the ground. I promise he's really good at other things. Wait, where's the model? He is. Oh, Alienware 2725Q, October 2025. I think that's the 1440p. I'm sorry.

1:19:57Linus Sebastian:I'm so sorry. How much does it cost? It's 500 US, right? Oh my god. No way. No way. Oh my god.

1:20:06Luke Lafreniere:Is it real? That's the first one I saw. This is a 240Hz 4K. Yeah, this is like top of the line. Holy crap. QD OLED. Like one of the best monitors on the market. Wow. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I honestly had no idea.

1:20:24Linus Sebastian:When you showed me, I thought it was just like some random junk monitor. I had no idea. I had no clue.

1:20:29Luke Lafreniere:No, we got like really nice monitors and we had that like sick Alienware gaming PC on it. It was like, that was like peak gaming other than the lumbar support and the headrest. But aren't you glad I'm okay? I didn't get hurt? Actually, yes. That would have been worse. Did you get blood on the monitor? You got my hand on it. See, this hand sign shows war. Or it shows that you were banging in the depths of a steamship. That's another possibility. Stop! Stop! That's not the kind of banging I meant, but sure. What do you mean? He's never seen Titanic. This is the problem with the kids today. I watched...

1:21:08Luke Lafreniere:No, never mind. Anyways, I don't take too much time. Alright, thanks Sammy. Sorry. Hasn't seen Titanic.

1:21:14Linus Sebastian:Hasn't seen POV. Who is this guy? That's more expensive than any monitor I've ever owned.

1:21:24Linus Sebastian:That's a random fun fact.

1:21:26Luke Lafreniere:That might be worth more than every multi-monitor setup you've ever owned. 1300 CAD?

1:21:33Linus Sebastian:Probably. And I run three pretty good monitors. Yeah. No, I think it is actually. I think so. That's wow. I honestly had no idea. He showed me in the lab and I was like, okay, I mean, losing a monitor sucks because we just always need monitors, but I'm sure it's just like some random generic monitor. I had no idea it was an Alienware. I had no idea it was high-end at all.

1:21:56Luke Lafreniere:No, it's the highest of end. It's like full downward dog high-end. Is downward dog the one where your butt's in the air? It sounds like it. Yeah. Yes. No. I was thinking of child's pose. It doesn't get much more high-end than that.

1:22:20Luke Lafreniere:all right well subscribe to float plane so sammy can continue to do the things he does no he does really good stuff too i promise dude that's all right let's pick another let's move on let's pick another topic hey really cool ltt labs article this week yeah let's talk about that instead we know it can be daunting to take your first steps into the world of linux we know this because we've been doing it recently. But LTT Labs is here for you. This article from Nick, tested by Sean and Steven, is we tried popular Linux gaming distros. It's, I have not read this one yet because it just went up, but I am very excited to.

1:23:05Luke Lafreniere:This went up like two days ago. So Luke can maybe summarize for us.

1:23:08Linus Sebastian:We had some, well, yeah, it's, I mean, we're kind of benchmarking a bunch of gaming distros and there's tests if you go down. There's standard labs charts with different games and how the different distros did. And as you might expect, they're pretty similar because it kind of goes that way every time. But we still looked at stuff. Cash did pretty good. Let's go, Cashy.

1:23:32Luke Lafreniere:Hey, look at that. Look at that. I managed to pick the one that's bad. Specifically for Doom the Dark Ages, the other games it was pretty fun.

1:23:42Linus Sebastian:If we do another Linux iSwitch challenge in the future, you should just have to use whatever iPic.

1:23:48Luke Lafreniere:No, that's less interesting. No. I think it's really important to have the conversation around what information a normie is likely to be exposed to. No, that's true. That to me is a, whether I end up making the right choice or the wrong choice is actually a fundamentally important part of the Linux challenge. And I intentionally will not just ask people. I could have, we even said this in the first episode. I could literally call Linus Torvalds, literally have his digits and ask him what distro to use, but I'm not doing that.

1:24:28Linus Sebastian:The one, the only thing that really surprised me, and this would have led you to a distro that I didn't even recommend, but I had a gut feeling that you were going to go with what he said he used. Oh, yeah, yeah. In the video you guys did together. That's what I thought you were going to do.

1:24:43Luke Lafreniere:No, no. So part of my method is that I'm looking at the entire switching experience. And part of the switching experience is going out there and fact-finding. And so when the community kind of comes and goes like, he did the fact finding wrong because he found the wrong conclusion what we need to do is we need to look at okay what are all these resources and why are they recommending this thing if quote unquote everyone knows that it's like not good and honestly we've already seen some positive change every time yeah already yeah and so it's one of those things where maybe i just accept my role as the bearer of bad news and the reality check for people who are so knowledgeable that they don't realize what they don't what they know i guess is probably the best way that i could describe it it's like a curse of knowledge thing to a lot of linux community members they don't realize how easy it is to make the wrong choice because to them it's so obvious they have they know the right people to ask they know the right resources to look at but to someone who to whom it's not obvious who's coming into it for the first time it's very easy to end up on a

1:26:05Linus Sebastian:different path and and honestly i do find this pretty interesting because i i didn't initially use chat i've used chat gpt to try to figure out things that are going on with my system but i didn't use it to pick my distro at all but you did and it spat out pop os and then i did to see if mine would as well. And I don't, it was one of the options. I don't remember if it was number one, but it was one of the options.

1:26:26Luke Lafreniere:I don't think it was number one.

1:26:27Linus Sebastian:But it was there.

1:26:28Luke Lafreniere:I thought number one was Cashew for you.

1:26:30Linus Sebastian:I don't remember. I thought it was like OpenSUSE or something.

1:26:35Luke Lafreniere:I'm sorry, I don't remember.

1:26:36Linus Sebastian:It was a while ago. Yeah. But this time, I just did this sitting here right now, not logged in, so it's not tailored on me. And best overall experience, PopOS. So like, we can say whatever we want,

1:26:48Luke Lafreniere:but a ton of people will use this yes yeah and people can be like upset about that right you can be upset about that you can think they shouldn't use it but and i said this i said this in episode one if i am trying to be representative of joe gamer who's doing my own research today and i didn't ask a chat bot i'd be doing a complete disservice that would be a completely unrealistic assumption that they would not use a chatbot because so many people are using them and we know this this is just a fact that we don't have to like but we do have to deal with we've got to deal with the fact that when luke typed in what linux distro should i use and then closed his tab right as i was about to switch back to his screen it out pop os yeah and you know what's funny is um i know bar and a couple other things but it said best overall was pop i never actually switched off of pop os on my desktop i don't know if i ever actually acknowledged that on wancho i don't i don't feel like i realized that i i kept it because i i did the vast majority of my linuxing on my other machines which were not running pop os i was running steam os on uh on the media pc and then i was running kubuntu on my laptop which i actually ended up mostly really happy with there were some issues you know we'll talk about those but uh yeah i didn't actually end up using my desktop that much and for the limited amount that i did use it pop os not only was usable but it actually got better over the entire course of the challenge

1:28:31Linus Sebastian:someone in chat said i asked the llm search and ubuntu admit was number one i was like oh that's an interesting idea i should just ask search which i'd never do yeah but i should just do that and it's the exact same output um no bar our project i am specifying i'm switching

1:28:49Luke Lafreniere:to linux from windows and that's where a lot so so a big part of why it recommended pop os for me was that i laid out what my requirements were yeah i want and and a huge part of the of the residual sort of branding for pop os is that it's really good for people with nvidia gpus who want a turnkey gaming experience and are coming from windows that's like that's the identity of pop os and also that it's not just for gaming like that was that's that's the kind of like branding in a nutshell for pop i think i think first of all i think a lot of people have labeled me as like the linux guy here which i think is just not it's not true but you're definitely um you definitely had more familiarity going into it than either oh no i'm just trying to qualify my next statement

1:29:39Linus Sebastian:as like i probably don't know as much about this as some of you seem to think that i do um but in my experience the whole better nvidia driver native stuff is like eh yeah no i know that hasn't been a thing for me in like a long time i think that's uh i think that's an old and it's it's everywhere so like it was talked about a lot in the past but i think we're kind to pass that problem um at least in in like everything i've used like mint is much more casual and has no problem with nvidia drivers mint for me can switch between intel and and nvidia graphics for like performance or battery saving setups and stuff and just has no problem with it like i don't think that's a modern problem um just as a note for anyone watching i wouldn't get too scared about the nvidia on linux thing it's it's really not as big of a deal

1:30:34Luke Lafreniere:as it was before tim 000 x3 says okay here's my counterpoint linus joe gamer is actually going to also watch ltt so they're going to say linus has a lot of problems with pop os and probably not use pop os now are you taking that into account well i can't at the time there's a bit of a like temporal issue with your argument because at the time that i selected pop os i have not yet made a video finding out that pop os was problematic for me now so it's yeah and also the chat gpt user base

1:31:03Linus Sebastian:versus Linus Tech Tips viewers.

1:31:06Luke Lafreniere:So the chat GPT user base is this big and the Linus Tech Tips user base, our viewer base is this big. Yeah. Like we, I've talked about this a fair bit, but I think our regular viewers, especially our WAN show viewers, overestimate the importance of us. And I'm flattered. You know, I appreciate that.

1:31:30Linus Sebastian:If people that I game with figure out what I do the most common question I get is what pre-build should I buy because I'm not into this stuff yeah yep it was astonishing to me I think much less so you but it was astonishing to me to figure out how massive the pre-built market was I thought some of these companies were just kind of small they've existed forever some people build computers or whatever no they're big they're very big they're huge i didn't realize how much like sway system integrators had as well because they're so massive yep i had really no clue and because of how important they are not

1:32:11Luke Lafreniere:even necessarily computers because i'm dumb even from a sales perspective but from a marketing perspective yeah like when people are shopping for us for a gaming system having your brand in everyone's configurator is in some ways like way more powerful than any reviewer that you could ever seed product to because that's where people with a very high purchase intent are going to be seeing your brand and are going to be exposed to your product and it's it's funny because i um i in a lot of for a lot of my career i sort of took for granted my experience as a product manager and working in sales and marketing as just like, well, yeah, but like everyone knows that the enthusiast side of things is just this like, you know, tiny little cute niche and understands that there's actually a much larger machine here that doesn't really care about us.

1:33:06Luke Lafreniere:But then the longer I've gone, the more I've been like, no, actually that perspective was really important in trying to frame products in a way that because I'm one of you, because I am an enthusiast, I can see the things that are important to us, but also share the perspective that guides product decisions that we don't like. Yeah. And that is that 99 out of the 100 people that are purchasing it are not us and don't care. Like, okay, here. Here's something that I know is a bugbear for you. Boring, modern graphics card packaging. Yeah. But look at it from NVIDIA's perspective. Okay? GPU box. Here we go.

1:34:00Luke Lafreniere:Dude, they were so cool. Oh, my God. Packaging. That is so boring.

1:34:04Linus Sebastian:Okay.

1:34:04Luke Lafreniere:that boring box so this is what they used to look like that's so sick this is what they used to look like so much better dude here's what they look like here's what they look like now so nvidia mandates that you have to have you know this and on the side uh let me see if i can find a shot from the side uh you've got to have so you've got to have certain elements yeah i know i know relax Overclocked Okay here you go So you've got to have this on the side So that no matter how it's faced on the shelf Everyone can see the GeForce And the model number And you know whatever And you know what in fairness to Nvidia I'm not that against that I think that's okay This was pretty hard to read You know about this right This is like a table book Did you order it?

1:34:53Linus Sebastian:No Remember this thing?

1:34:56Luke Lafreniere:Yeah no I didn't I should yeah did that ever uh noteworthy find from the did that ever like come to life publisher's website for stock alerts overclocked an archive of graphics card box art

1:35:13Linus Sebastian:let's go all right uh this is your birthday present sick thank you all right um yeah i i think having some amount of standard labeling so that you can tell what thing you're buying is fine but then beyond that i would like it if it was if nvidia would screw off um and just let people do fun stuff outside of like you know have your we talk about it with thumbnails where there's like the the safety zones or whatever where like okay this isn't this isn't going to conflict with youtube putting a time stamp or or a hover over or something like that have those areas just be where nvidia has their mandatory branding cool no problem and then beyond that have some fun with it it's a graphics card it's supposed to do fun things

1:36:02Luke Lafreniere:somehow we ended up here we were talking about this article on the labs website check it out at lttlabs.com um it's just up here in the in the feed right here before you ask yes we do have an rss feed so that you can make sure that you see all these all these really all these really cool articles that are actually coming out on a very regular basis these days yeah go check it out yeah all right let's pick another topic oh this is cool uh here do you want to bring up the visuals for uh wave overhangs is a new open source slicer forked from orca slicer that can print and this is wild fully horizontal 90 degree overhangs without support material that's what i looked like that's confusing i'm i don't i'm not a big 3d printer omega brain but there's that's confusing okay you've got the visuals up now i think so okay so here let's throw okay this is cool yeah can you like zoom zoom zoom zoom yeah there we go so instead of laying plastic into thin air and then just hoping for the best okay it generates concentric rings of material that each grab onto the cooled ring that was laid down before them in the same layer propagating outward from the supporting from the supported edge like a wave so we're looking at the one on the right over there so you can see that it it kind of it kind of goes a little farther a little farther each time in order to in order for that overhang to have something to grab onto yeah yeah yeah this concept isn't brand new arc overhangs first appeared back in 2022 as a proof of concept that using overlapping circular tool paths could achieve the same basic idea the difference is arc overhangs were never integrated into a real slicer and required manually extracting coordinates running a separate script and then pasting the g-code back into your sliced model wave paths do look a lot more simple not exactly that kind of thing that most people are going to want to bother with.

1:38:11Luke Lafreniere:Wave Overhangs, then, is the first time the technique has been built directly into a usable slicer with a GUI toggle with tunable settings and two different algorithms to choose from. It is still very experimental. There are around 20 tunable parameters and no presets yet, and warping on larger spans is a known limitation. But the developers are asking users to be part of its development and upload test prints to a community gallery at waveoverhangs.com to help figure out what settings work best across different printers and materials. So be part of the change you want to see in the world. Let's have a look at some stuff from the gallery.

1:38:50Luke Lafreniere:Like, oh, oh, how cool is that? Wow. Right?

1:38:57Linus Sebastian:That's pretty sweet. Oh, I like it. Less supports should mean less wasted plastic.

1:39:05Luke Lafreniere:more warping observed it's always hold on a second no wait a second oh wait what am i looking at here this looks like a uh no forget this one hold on hold on let's find what yeah here we go here we go here we go that isn't that isn't that's an overhang and a half that's wild being able to print that like yeah not perfect but like that's crazy there's the print bed right there

1:39:40man

1:39:45Luke Lafreniere:dang 3d printing you crazy one look at this best print so far on this very challenging test print pattern zigzag wow there's definitely some warping oh yeah but like this is how this is how these things get to the point where it's like but am i click and forget am i wrong that this would even

1:40:09Linus Sebastian:just be a good idea to do even if you did have some supports to help stop the warping because wouldn't it be stronger once you remove the supports as well or am i just totally tripping possibly because what i'm seeing in the in the demo imagery the the thing that was most interesting going to be i'm going to jump over to mine look at that oh wait we can look at that look look at

1:40:28Luke Lafreniere:this look at this it is cool no supports luke that's pretty wild that's crazy this is the base guys for context this is what was stuck to the base of the print bed yeah so this gives us a look at what it looks like from the bottom like oh so what i'm seeing here is like in these example

1:40:46Linus Sebastian:images the detached lines here just removing those and making it so that you're you're like your path is all the way from back here. So you have all the strength from back here on these parts here, which seem like they might be more breakable. I don't know. I'm not 3D printer brain guy, but it seems like potentially using wave paths in combination with supports if you can't afford to have any deformation could be a cool option for strength. I don't know.

1:41:18Luke Lafreniere:James Unknown says, I've been 3D printing for years now, my own business now, and this is huge. not just saving material, but also what Luke is saying. I can see that being way stronger. Cool. Okay. Sweet.

1:41:30Linus Sebastian:Very cool. I mean, that seems awesome to me because you might even end up with a combination of both. You might not need as much support if it's not going to be as big of a problem. So you can save some material and it can be stronger. Like, what a win. All right.

1:41:44Luke Lafreniere:I got a funny one. Qualcomm's stock surges in response to a report that it could make chips for an open AI smartphone. and then it lost much of those gains on subsequent trading days according to a report from well-known tech analyst uh ming chi kuo open ai is working on its own smartphone in an effort to compete with the iphone with mass production targeted for 2028 quote yeah we'll get to it we'll get to it just a sec just a sec hold on hold on relax relax kuo says that open ai has partnered with chip makers qualcomm and mediatek to develop the smartphone's processors with lux share handling system co-design and manufacturing.

1:42:22Luke Lafreniere:The phone will reportedly have no apps and be a completely agentic workflow, whatever that means. This is another in a handful of hardware products. Hold on, hold on, contain yourself. This is another in a handful of hardware products that OpenAI has announced but not yet released, including earbuds and that HomePod-style smart speaker that Johnny Ive is reportedly working on. Okay, go. I...

1:42:48Linus Sebastian:I... I... I... First of all, just flatline used no brain power. Had a thought. Sounds terrible. I would never want to buy this. Oh my God. Okay. Diving a little bit more into things. It uses no apps. Dang, that sucks a lot. So much of what I'm going to need to do is using apps on my phone. uh hopefully i'm not just like you know that old guy that gets clipped in the future when people are like oh obviously we didn't need whoever but at least right now this seems genuinely bad um also isn't it called apps when you add like functions to agentic systems

1:43:36Luke Lafreniere:like when when what does app even mean when a this used to be short for application kind of what i mean now it's developed it's kind of its own meaning i don't know what to tell you when

1:43:44Linus Sebastian:they added wolfram alpha as a thing to open ai's agentic mode was that was it not an app it could be called skills to skills and tools sure whatever um sounds sounds good uh other than

1:44:01Luke Lafreniere:the product the product sounds terrible um remember that time that facebook wanted to make a phone Yeah. Remember how nobody wants or needs a phone that is not at least at least a walled garden ecosystem that is that is accepting of, you know, pretty much everything else running on it as a platform. Can you think of any reason to want this over a phone from someone with decades of experience building hardware like Apple?

1:44:37Linus Sebastian:The Western world is still going to want iPhones and the rest of the world is still going to want open systems that they can extend and modify and keep going long term. And this is neither. And I don't think it's going to breach the market basically anywhere. Maybe it'll be popular for sales in San Francisco. And that's probably about it.

1:45:02Luke Lafreniere:So it's the smartphone for tech bros and tech bros only. whoa okay do you want to hear something kind of wild there's more viewers on there's more viewers on the wan show channel than there are on the linus tech tips channel i think it's going to be time to cut it off pretty soon guys if you're watching on linus tech tips right now you got

1:45:22Linus Sebastian:to go switch over to the wan show channel we got to figure out that collaborative thing yeah i think that's probably the way to go like moving forward yeah like a collab stream yeah we stream on the

1:45:32Luke Lafreniere:wan show and then we just collab with ltd collab for a while i don't think we should do it forever because I don't want to be sending notifications on both forever. I think we should move to WAN show sooner rather than later. I don't think it will if you're subscribed to both.

1:45:45Linus Sebastian:I think YouTube is smart about that.

1:45:48Luke Lafreniere:I also don't want to let people get complacent about it. They should subscribe to the WAN show in order to continue to follow the WAN show. So get on. Nothing you can do for streams? Get on over there. Really, Sammy?

1:46:04Linus Sebastian:YouTube collabs.

1:46:06Luke Lafreniere:All right. moving on to our next topic i'm gonna pick one maryland video has become the first american state to ban surveillance pricing in grocery stores critics do say that the law has too many loopholes but look let's let's start with let's start with the good news side of it the law was signed by governor west moore on tuesday and bans grocers and third-party delivery services from using personal data to set higher prices. If you're not familiar, surveillance pricing is a practice that uses some characteristic of yourself, like your zip code, for instance, or your ethnicity, or just any personally identifiable personal information about you, and uses it to adjust the pricing upward because of what you can presumably afford.

1:47:05Linus Sebastian:There's some camera thing and it's like, oh, white people like broccoli. Let's increase the price of broccoli.

1:47:09Luke Lafreniere:Pretty much. It doesn't have to be a racial thing, but it could be. Let's face it. It could be. Whether we want it to go to a race place or not, it often ends up there.

1:47:20Linus Sebastian:They'll put it behind some machine learning thing and call it a black box and say they have no control over it. Sorry, what kind of box? Oh my god.

1:47:31Linus Sebastian:I think you're more intimately familiar than me.

1:47:36Luke Lafreniere:No.

1:47:42Listen.

1:47:51Luke Lafreniere:Colorado, California, Massachusetts, Illinois, and New Jersey are all considering similar bills. But while this is a win, consumer advocates are saying that Maryland's law is full of loopholes. The biggest one is that it bans raising prices based on personal data, but doesn't stop companies from raising prices for everyone, then offering personalized discounts that ultimately arrive at the exact same outcome. There are also exemptions for loyalty programs and promotional offers, which are some of the main vehicles that companies already use to do this. And there's no private right of action, meaning that regular consumers can't actually sue if they get caught up in surveillance pricing.

1:48:31Luke Lafreniere:Only the state attorney general can enforce it, which critics say guts any real deterrent. So it's a little bit of progress in that we're finally talking about the issue. We're acknowledging the issue, but it's very clear that there is a lot more that needs to be done. And I mean, personally, I would just love to see this happen across the board. You know, why are airline operators allowed to do this? Actually crazy. The entire vacation industry seems to operate based on this. However, however, I would caution that we don't want to go too far. Regional pricing on services like Steam, for example, I fundamentally support.

1:49:14Luke Lafreniere:So this shouldn't be able to be done within a country? Is that fair enough? I think that's a fair line to draw. Let's use those arbitrary lines on the map and let's make those the boundaries.

1:49:24Linus Sebastian:Would you go as far as like a province or a city?

1:49:33Luke Lafreniere:Would I allow different pricing if somebody had Alberta plates on? Oh, right. Because it would have to be dynamic.

1:49:43Linus Sebastian:No. It would have to be dynamic. Yeah.

1:49:45Luke Lafreniere:No, I don't.

1:49:46Linus Sebastian:Okay, so because my mind is like, I mean, there is different pricing for like, say, milk in Alberta versus here.

1:49:51Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, but it shouldn't be because of where you're from or because of who you are.

1:49:55Linus Sebastian:It shouldn't be, yeah.

1:49:56Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, no, that's f***ed up, especially because it incentivizes these organizations to then collect the data on everybody.

1:50:03Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

1:50:03Luke Lafreniere:And then whether or not they actually use it. I mean, a lot of the, they're going to use it anyway.

1:50:07Linus Sebastian:So you can set your pricing. There might be market factors. It might be more expensive to get trucks to wherever you are. Maybe you're way north in Canada or something. Sure. It's just a fact. but you can't change it based on who's in the store. Yeah, obviously. That seems like it should just happen.

1:50:25Luke Lafreniere:Fools and Horses says, Linus, do you collect any trends or data from LTT store? Where does the line get drawn? You know what? This was actually something that... We don't use that to target pricing for specific users though. No, we don't. But Colton had actually messaged us about what we do and don't collect on LTT Store and where we think the right line would be. I don't know if we ever actually talked about that on WAN Show. I can't find the email from him right now. But do you remember the one that I'm talking about? They're trying to figure out what would be an LMG-friendly level of cookies and data collection to determine whether some of the marketing efforts that his team is doing are actually working.

1:51:14Luke Lafreniere:Because right now, we do some limited data collection, but there are pieces of it that would be very helpful to them that right now they don't have enough to get a clear picture. For instance, one of the things they were looking at was conversion of people on float plane for subscriptions and stuff like that. uh what what is what's the right amount the flow plane one was a pretty big line because we don't

1:51:47Linus Sebastian:have a banner for stuff like that because we don't do like any of it so we were like oh we'd

1:51:52Luke Lafreniere:have to do oh like a gdpr like like a cookie banner and like all that kind of stuff yeah um so i we just didn't do it etzim says i avoid ads at a very high cost yeah we're not we're not talking about ads though we're talking about forms of tracking yeah because like you it's it's there

1:52:12Linus Sebastian:are also other ways to do it though and that that was the counter pitch from flow plane so how do we do it um you can have like you can have it so that it's a link and like the where did the url come from yeah so we can't track it on like an individual user basis but we can see like this many people clicked this link and this many people that clicked on that link did follow through and purchase a description now someone could screw that up because the for us because they could click on the link and then like navigate somewhere else manually and that manual navigation might get rid of the the uh the url like there's there's yeah there are other ways to do it they're not perfect but neither is aggressive cookies that you're also feeding to facebook or whoever else because you're running it through their systems it's another thing to keep in mind

1:53:12Luke Lafreniere:yeah all right well let's leave it alone for now and then we'll go from there i guess i don't know man i i understand why his team wants to do this stuff but i also understand the hesitation.

1:53:27Linus Sebastian:Yeah, but like I said, there are other options. It's not like we're saying, I mean, we might have said no at the time because we're such a small team we can't just do everything all the time, but there's ways that you can track how well that campaign is working without being able to tie it down to a specific user.

1:53:44Luke Lafreniere:Okay.

1:53:45Linus Sebastian:Like it is possible. You can have flags in the URL that follow the process and if one of those like URL flagged people that goes through does a purchase. It's just holding tallies. Okay, so you like the advertising platform side should know how many people you served that ad to. Our side should know how many people came to the site with that in the URL. And then our side should know how many people checked out with that in the URL. And then you have your three data points. And like ideally that's enough. And then we're not feeding it through Meta or whoever else.

1:54:24Luke Lafreniere:Amaker asks, are you just putting yourself at a commercial disadvantage by trying to be ethical about this. Yes. But like, we often do. And that's something we've decided to do. And I think that should almost potentially reflect...

1:54:46Linus Sebastian:I'm just going to skip.

1:54:49Luke Lafreniere:All right, in some other cool news. You guys can come up with your own morality on that one. The first Tesla semi truck from their Gigafactory Nevada high volume production line has officially rolled off the line. The semi is a little late. It was first unveiled in 2017 with an original promised production date of 2019. Okay, a little late, but it's here. It is worth noting. This is not the first semi to be produced. a handful were delivered to PepsiCo in late 2022, but those were essentially like hand-built on a pilot line. This time, we're talking mass-produced units with an expected annual production capacity of 50 ,000 trucks, although it is worth noting that that will have to ramp up over the next few years.

1:55:36Linus Sebastian:It also just doesn't mean anything.

1:55:36Luke Lafreniere:And it doesn't mean anything because Tesla lies constantly. But, but, but this is, as far as we can tell truthfully, the mass production line, these trucks have a range of 325 miles, or 500 miles, depending on whether they are the standard or long-range model. And that is apparently fully loaded, though it's not clear in our notes what exactly fully loaded means. There's definitely degrees of loaded for semi-trucks. They support Tesla's mega-charger, which is 1.2 megawatt charger. Could they not have done 1.21? They were so close. 1.21 megawatts. Yeah, that would have been pretty sick. Does it round up?

1:56:24Luke Lafreniere:That'll restore 60 % of the truck's range in 30 minutes. Cost on the long-range model, and this is what makes this good news WAN show. Cost on the long-range model is expected to be$290 ,000 US dollars. That is... Do we have a reference point for other semi-trucks? Oh, they're really expensive. I know. They're so expensive. That was my grandpa's job. And like the maintenance and the dealer network and just the like old boys club of everything, the financing. Crazy loans. $290 ,000 for something that is going to have, sure, all the disadvantages of an electric vehicle, right? Like these batteries will eventually wear out and you have to charge and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1:57:09Luke Lafreniere:but that will also have the advantages of an electric vehicle and that you're using simple electric motors that's okay sorry not simple but relatively low maintenance electric motors dude this thing looks freaking awesome i am uh i am i'm like kind of stoked on it to be clear i don't think that the tesla semi is going to be taking over long haul trucking anytime in the foreseeable future.

1:57:41Linus Sebastian:No, but there is a ton of trucking

1:57:42Luke Lafreniere:that isn't long haul trucking. Yes. That's okay. And what's kind of cool about this is for semis, I can actually see the range being less of an issue, especially for companies that are somewhat integrated, where they can build in charging infrastructure at the various docks that they're going to be visiting.

1:58:01Linus Sebastian:Because it said 60 % in half an hour, right? If you're doing an unload or load.

1:58:05Luke Lafreniere:well that wouldn't get a lot of charge you wouldn't have a mega charger at like your warehouse but if every time you docked you would be able because i mean you'd like your transformer for your for your warehouse building like simply will not have that level of unless you went out of your way like you're not going to have a mega charger specifically mega charger yeah yeah so i guess

1:58:27Linus Sebastian:it won't do that rate but still you could plug into something yes but but the way that i see it

1:58:31Luke Lafreniere:is as long as this thing is charged in the morning, as you're going around to your bottling, let's use Pepsi as an example, just because they were one of the first customers for the Tesla Semi. So you're going around to your various ports of call. You're going to like the bottling depot here. You're dropping off some, you're making some drop-offs at a distribution hub here. You're going back to the bottling depot. If at every one of those, or at some of those, at the ones that you own, you're able to plug in while things are loading and being unloaded. Get a little bit more. you can you can juice yourself up a little bit over the course of the day and if you're mostly doing local distribution runs this is just going to be so huge for everything from noise to urban smog to just convenience for operators like driving a big rig like like uh like man did you know that some of them have like two stick shifts i didn't know about the two yeah i didn't know you

1:59:23Linus Sebastian:can like slip gears on purpose and there's all this like like driving a truck is non-simple

1:59:29Luke Lafreniere:if it could be if it could be one one pedal driving semis like if we could lower the barrier to entry for for operating these vehicles lower the mental load of operating them so you can be

1:59:43Linus Sebastian:more focused on the road right the barrier entry thing spooks me because of the amount of opened tin cans we've had in bc of people hitting bridges when i say okay when i say lower the

1:59:52Luke Lafreniere:barrier to entry i don't mean that we need people who are less cognitively capable operating them what i mean is that fewer just fewer distractions sure um i i just i see this as an absolute i see

2:00:04Linus Sebastian:this as an absolute win yeah it seems cool i always have like a little bit of skepticism um because of their track record on being able to hit their targets and stuff like that but these things just rolling off the line sounds great to me uh tim asks how about maintenance

2:00:21Luke Lafreniere:I mean, look, a diesel engine is a super reliable engine, you know, like a Cummins diesel that you might find in a large truck. It's going to be pretty flippin' reliable. Like those Volvo trucks, they'll do a million miles, you know? And that's not even like, whoa, you should get a free truck because it did a million miles. You know, like remember that first car, that like traveling salesman or whatever who put a million miles on his car and the company gave him a new one? like that's not that's not even like that remarkable but uh actually okay a hiago ego says diesels used to be super reliable but now they are not as good interesting okay classic yeah no many such cases no comment on that i i was not aware of that from my understanding big rigs do tend to be pretty reliable um edison motors hold on a second um but yeah from a maintenance standpoint i know that my experience with electric vehicles has been that it's relatively low and i would imagine that especially on braking these would just be so much better one of these must be insane right yeah i mean maybe i'm missing something here feel free to tell me if i'm missing something but regenerative braking would be amazing for trucks and they spend so much time idling and stuff it's just relative i wonder if it takes so much energy to get them going that it's it's relative i'm not sure um okay hold on either way neat cool to be clear see it when it happens tesla's not the only player in the game we actually i really i still need to go these guys shipping check out these guys uh can you buy a semi truck from them uh okay so hybrid so diesel and battery so hybrid trucks could be a better approach to idea to long range trucking and edison motors is a company that uh they they they're doing like an investment drive right now like i don't know what kind of shape they're in right now so this is not like an endorsement of the company or anything like that i don't know enough to say one way or the other but i do i do love the idea of what they're doing um Um,

2:02:44Luke Lafreniere:VNG Supernova says, I thought semis used pneumatic braking, so regen braking wouldn't be that useful. Does the Tesla semi not use regen braking? Regenerative braking. Uses powerful regenerative braking across all three electric motors. Yeah. Yeah, no, no, no. Yeah, regular semis do use pneumatic. A lot of them use air brakes. but no the tesla should be uh should be using regenerative braking yeah yeah use the regenerative braking so that's kind of like the whole point of the tesla semi is that it is doing things differently to bring advantages that traditional semis do not uh kitsune sensei says most of your wishes for trucks are already reality outside of north america this is this is true uh electric trucks in um like i i remember seeing like a crazy number apparently in the last year there were more electric trucks produced in china than the entire total addressable market like the entire annual market for um fossil fuel and electric trucks in north america um so yes electric trucks are definitely a thing but guys it's good news when show can we just let a win be a win okay there's more electric trucks on the road

2:04:02Luke Lafreniere:all right uh what else we got you want to pick one sure let's jump through here i think i know what you might pick i'm gonna be ready for it is it just the next one

2:04:16Linus Sebastian:right to repair repeal repelled what a what a title colorado's consumer rights continue Kick rocks, corpos. Colorado's consumer rights, right to repair digital electronics equipment law took effect in January 2026, providing access to documentation and tools to repair or modify electronics. However, a new bill was proposed that would create an exception for critical infrastructure, a term that advocates feel is too loosely defined. The bill was supported by lobbyists for Cisco and IBM and passed unanimously through the Colorado Senate. Really? But was shot down in a 7-4 vote by the Colorado House's State, Civic, Military, and Veteran Affairs Committee.

2:05:02Linus Sebastian:The core arguments from Cisco representatives claimed that there was potential cybersecurity risks. To what? What's to stop bad actors from using those tools to reverse engineer internet routers? I mean lots of carry on cybersecurity experts pointed out it doesn't really work like that the vast majority of hacks are carried out remotely and it is more likely the victims of hacks that need to make changes on the fly without acquiring permission from manufacturers

2:05:33Luke Lafreniere:yes yeah cool oh man our discussion question here is is there oh okay no I misread it I thought it was wanting us to get into whether lobbying should be a thing or not. No, we're definitely not approaching that on the WAN show today. No. I thought you were going to do this one. Oh, where is that one?

2:05:58Linus Sebastian:Up a little higher. I see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This week, Noctua announced that they now offer public 3D CAD models for all their fans. You can find the files directly from their product download section, just like any fan. Sorry, just find any fans, such as the classic NFF12PWM. Oh, one sec, go away. If you want to download a step file, then check it out. Sammy might have a 3D printed one for you to check out, which is here.

2:06:28Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, it is worth noting that this is not going to allow you to make your own Noctua fan. This fan that Luke is holding is not really a fan so much as it is a model of a fan. Yeah, there's no motor in it. and Noctua says that they intentionally adjusted the geometry a little bit so that cosmetically it looks like their fans, but if you were to 3D print your own fan and actually put a motor in it, it would not achieve the same performance characteristics. You know, obviously that wouldn't prevent anyone from just buying a real Noctua fan and scanning it or whatever. A sophisticated enough counterfeiter would be able to make it without this anyway.

2:07:14Luke Lafreniere:But this is more for community members to have realistic looking Noctua products in their renderings or whatever else. Sure. So, yeah, I think, I don't know. I just thought it was pretty cool. Sweet. Exactly. In other sweet news, Librapods no longer requires root for some features. so LibrePods if you're not familiar is a way to use AirPods on Android and have some of the Apple exclusive features accessible the app now works without root privileges on Google Pixels running Android 16 March update or later with the latest play system update Google Pixels running Android 17 beta 3 or above okay hold on I'm a little confused by those two uh are my do i have a problem with my notes ctrl f pixel a bit bit bit okay well mileage may vary on those two one plus devices that are running oxygen os 16 and above oppo devices on color os 16 and above and realme devices on realme ui 7.0 and above you can now get the following features without root.

2:08:29Luke Lafreniere:Noise control modes, ear detection, battery status, head gestures, and conversational awareness. There are a few more features that Librapod supports, but still require root, and that's hearing aid mode, customized transparency mode, and multi-device connectivity. Honestly, they've nailed down most of the stuff that I would think I would need. the app is free on the play store but does require an in-app purchase of five euro in order to unlock all functionality i think i actually bought it a while ago i just need to check um it's my uh my galaxy phone is still not on the list but i am very very ready to have more more libra pods goodness man it's amazing how many updates like modern platforms make to make them supposedly faster and yet they are so slow like i remember when it's a lot of updates are not for speed youtube updated their dashboard they claimed it was all about speed it is still slower than it ever was like the creator dashboard and like graphs and everything like hello can we can i search for something anyway not right now apparently uh what else we got today um let's see

2:09:50Linus Sebastian:boink pentathlon the lct boink team will be competing in the seventh boink pentathlon running from 17th that makes more sense uh running from may 5th to 19th in this event we'll go up against other tech communities contributing computing power through boink to support scientific research and progress. Last year, LTT placed in second overall. Our goal this year is to take home the gold. If you want to join the competition and support science, you can find the details and sign up on the thread on the forum. Oh, I finally have a use for my computer.

2:10:24Luke Lafreniere:I'll compete this year with you guys. Here's all the details. There will be prizes. Oh, wow. There's community donated prizes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Steam keys. Yeah. Well, we're providing some prizing too, right? We better be. We better be. well we're on it we'll find some prizes don't worry about it let me I didn't see us in there but we usually do yeah I don't know we'll get it done heck yeah alright cool heck yeah LTT forum

2:10:53Linus Sebastian:and Xbox mode begins rolling out to players on Windows 11 PCs scroll today Microsoft is expanding what used to be called the full screen experience on handhelds like the ROG Xbox Ally to all Windows 11 PCs, laptops, desktops, tablets, etc. Xbox mode is a full screen controller optimized interface that puts your game library front and center while minimizing background distractions. Rolling out gradually in select markets via Windows Update, you can toggle it in settings, then enter it with Windows and F11 from the game bar or by pressing the Xbox button on a paired controller.

2:11:36Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, so three different ways to activate it. Discussion question. Is Xbox mode what Windows gaming should have been all along? Yeah. Probably. Yeah, I mean, it's basically the game folder from Windows Vista, but, like, way better. Overall, I like it-ish.

2:12:00Luke Lafreniere:In some ways, it feels like it can be a little unnecessary because my entire game library is in steam pretty much uh but if i was someone who had a game library that spanned multiple launchers to a greater degree then yeah having the the xbox mode experience consolidate them all would have more of a value to me i definitely have multiple launchers yeah

2:12:26Linus Sebastian:uh i mean you might like it with yeah i might especially with um new assassin's creed not new new Assassin's Creed remaster coming and stuff.

2:12:35Luke Lafreniere:It's definitely a little bit, you know, full of Game Pass and stuff. But you don't have to click those buttons. So as they're there, they'll probably annoy me. Well, let's see. Let's see. Hey, speaking of things that are there and might not annoy you, Toyota's limited edition$3 ,500 crown gaming chair is here.

2:12:59Linus Sebastian:You know what does annoy me about this is I've, I don't know, man. I don't fit a lot of chairs. Just being honest, I don't. So I saw this and was like, no way. Let's go. I want the purchase page right now. And then I saw the price and I was like, well, someone will have fun with that. It looks pretty fancy. I love that there's actually a USB-C. I didn't notice that when I first looked at it. That is actually so funny.

2:13:34Luke Lafreniere:Sorry, my Zoom is being a little funky. Here, hold on. I'm 100%.

2:13:41Linus Sebastian:Yeah, why is it$3 ,500, though? It's like the crown collection. It's like the price of two monitors.

2:13:51Luke Lafreniere:Too soon. That's so painful. Heating. Cooling sounds pretty cool. The cooling sounds incredible. The cooling sounds amazing. I don't know what I would do with this. You know what my chair at home is right now? Charging, I guess? Because it wouldn't be data. Like, it wouldn't be connected to my computer. Don't answer that, Luke. We got a merch message for later. Wait. Oh, okay. Oh, wait. For some reason. What's in the caboose? Is that all the, like, is that the, like, stuff for the heating and cooling? The junk? Wait, like, this needs to be, like, plugged in. Oh, I'm sure. Right. which makes sense yeah heating and cooling wow you know i i want to try it is it japan only though i think it's japan only just just you know there's only about 70 units being made oh oh why man ah well okay my question is if you're gonna put the work into creating it why so few you know there's more than 70 people who'd be like toyota gaming chair and just do it 3 500 more than 70 for sure come on toyota fanboys with money and the toyota crown you know they didn't spend that much on their

2:15:14Linus Sebastian:car so the toyota crown is one of those like super fancy cars right uh i actually i'm pretty sure it is don't know what's a toyota crown i thought they were really nice

2:15:28Luke Lafreniere:yeah it according to ai the toyota crown hybrid sedan starts at around 55 000 canadian dollars so no not even like i said they bought a toyota so they clearly didn't overpay for their car so they can afford so they can afford a fancy chair i guess i don't know

2:15:48Linus Sebastian:is this a plug-in hybrid is it but the chair no the car oh oh a hybrid system if it doesn't say plug-in hybrid then

2:16:00Luke Lafreniere:it's just a regular hybrid powertrains limited models blah blah hybrid system turbocharged hybrid max yeah no no they're hybrid not plug-in damn sorry luke all right the show is brought to you by squarespace whether it's a business or a hobby if you want to share what you're doing with the world a website goes an awful long way and our sponsor squarespace is still here to help you you can do it yourself without the stress or headache of coding or figuring out the business aspect of running a site with squarespace they're like a partner that way they've got a ton of templates to help you get started or you can even use their design intelligence tool to create something personal by just answering a few questions about your business.

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2:18:42Luke Lafreniere:What is that? The case, well, here, we'll get to it. The case stems from a 2019 bank robbery in Richmond, Virginia, where a man made off with$195 ,000. Police had no leads until they served a geofence warrant on Google. which handed over location data for every device that was in the area around the time of the robbery, which eventually led to the man's arrest when they found a bunch of cash with them. So context of geofence warrants, if you need it, is police draw a virtual circle around a crime scene, pick a time window, and then ask a tech company like Google to hand over data on every device that was inside that circle during that time.

2:19:24Luke Lafreniere:Practical usage tends to follow these stages. Initial sweep gives police anonymized location pings and timestamps for every device within the circle identified only by numerical IDs. Police then flag any devices that look suspicious based on movement patterns and go back to the tech company with a follow-up request to unmask those specific accounts, getting the email addresses, phone numbers, and usernames that are tied to them. In the case of Google, this data comes from Google's location history feature, which technically requires you to opt in, but most people who use Google Maps or other Google services are already sharing this information.

2:19:57Luke Lafreniere:So the plaintiff's lawyer argued that even anonymized location data acts like a type of fingerprint, since your specific movement patterns can be used to identify you. The DOJ countered that location data just represents public movements that anyone could observe, so the Fourth Amendment defense shouldn't apply. The discussion question here is that the justices seem split and generally reluctant to wade into how the fourth amendment operates in today's world oh this one is complicated

2:20:30Linus Sebastian:yeah why do criminals keep bringing identifiable phones to crime scenes yeah but that's a very

2:20:37Luke Lafreniere:complicated question that i really will never understand but then also also why am i able to be tracked in a personal i personally identifiable way by something that supposedly cares about my privacy yeah i don't like that but then counter counterpoint if you're an er do well taking money that ultimately you know we all pay for like i'm not an american and i don't bank at that bank so i have nothing to do with like that specific case but at the end of the day we all pay for crime like societally um do i do i mind if ne 'er do wells everyone there

2:21:19Linus Sebastian:got their information flagged and taken by the government but then counter counter counter

2:21:24Luke Lafreniere:point yes to luke's point that's exactly what the lawyer's arguing and who's defining how big the

2:21:30Linus Sebastian:circle is so what if they're like there was a bank robbery in north vancouver what if what if we circled the entire greater vancouver area yes and just grabbed everything and use this data for multiple other things going on and also so i can track my wife's phone to see if she's going somewhere that i don't like or i'm not going to tell anyone that i just did that what if there was no bank robbery what if there was a protest yeah now all of a sudden it can become a tool for

2:22:00Luke Lafreniere:government crackdown.

2:22:06Luke Lafreniere:I actually do not envy the Supreme Court justices as they navigate this one. To be clear, I have no pity for Buddy Who Got Busted stealing a bunch of money from a bank. Just desserts. However, the methods do matter if you want to even maintain the branding of having a free society and this one is

2:22:39Linus Sebastian:complicated they're just exercising their freedom to all of your information and data knowing where you are all the time oh that's what you think freedom it's just it's just freedom

2:22:49Luke Lafreniere:i don't know what you're talking about yeah man freedom is uh it's she's a complicated she's a complicated concept. I read a really interesting essay recently on the, um, the ways that the word and the concept of freedom have been kind of perverted, um, from the way that a lot of people kind of intended them in the, in the, in the, in the creation of sort of the, the Western model of free society. Sure. And how they've become kind of divorced from the responsibilities that accompany that freedom. and how we're not sure if that freedom will survive an unwillingness to also exercise the freedom responsibly and be a part of that functioning free society.

2:23:40Luke Lafreniere:It's a really interesting essay. I wish I could find the link for you guys. But yeah, fascinating. It doesn't come to a conclusion because it's complicated.

2:23:48Linus Sebastian:archangel of death said as the saying goes your freedom ends when the freedom of the big corporation and government starts or something like that yeah sir

2:23:59Luke Lafreniere:just so that everyone's clear archangel of death meant that with a big fat slash s okay relax sometimes well yeah but your freedom to have your ip not ripped off just got

2:24:13Linus Sebastian:obliterated by every single ai company on the planet well yes oh luke it's good news wancho

2:24:21Luke Lafreniere:oh right okay calm down next topic android developers are revolting against google's 2026 sideloading registration mandate starting september 2026 google is fundamentally changing how sideloading works on android right now installing an app from outside the play store is as simple as downloading an APK and tapping install. Sort of. You have to enable unknown developers, whatever, whatever, whatever, but sort of. Under the new rules, every developer, even hobbyists and open source contributors who never touch the Play Store, must register with Google, verify their identity with government issued ID, register their app signing keys, agree to Google's terms and pay a$25 fee.

2:24:59Luke Lafreniere:If they don't, their app gets silently blocked from installing on any certified Android device. Google says that power users can still install unverified apps, but the new advanced flow requires enabling developer mode by tapping the build number seven times, navigating through multiple setting screens, and waiting out a mandatory 24-hour cooling-off period. Over 37 organizations, including the EFF, FDroid, Proton, NextCloud, and the Tor Project have signed an open letter demanding that Google reverse course. FDroid calls the mandate existential since its entire model relies on volunteer and pseudonymous developers who have no reason or desire to register with Google.

2:25:41Luke Lafreniere:The rollout starts in Brazil, Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand with a global expansion planned for 2027. Custom ROMs like GrapheneOS and LineageOS are unaffected. Discussion question. If installing an app on your own phone now requires a 24-hour waiting period in developer mode, can Google still call Android an open platform?

2:26:03Linus Sebastian:I mean, I think they can still call it whatever they want, but is it one? I don't know. I think this is something that would kind of push me to do the same thing I'm doing with Linux right now on my phone, which is just try alternative options.

2:26:14Luke Lafreniere:Let me pitch you some food for thought. With this change, would you be more comfortable recommending an Android phone for your grandpa or grandma? No. Really? I would. Straight up. 24-hour waiting period for random APKs, the way that scams work? zero question now does that mean that i support the move not necessarily i see lots of problems with it but i also can see a good faith argument for why google wants to unmask developers on the platform and they are still offering a way that you can install anything but i would like a 24 hour waiting period would functionally kill the like oh yeah grandpa just go here and install this and click through this and click through this i'll wait on the phone with you while you dump all of your life savings a lot of those scams are multi-day long okay not all that's totally fair

2:27:19Linus Sebastian:that's why it would make it so much more work yes it definitely would i um i would like to see this as a feature that is like family management controllable interesting so like a fleet

2:27:37Luke Lafreniere:management feature but okay so here's my question though because who is the administrator of that though like as as a as a head of family like techie dude i hear that and i go oh yeah that totally makes sense that's how i would manage it through family link and i would do this and i would do that but most people's structure is not necessarily like that like i can this is one of those ones where on the surface i can see this feels like sacrificing

2:28:09Linus Sebastian:freedom for security in a way that i do not like it does but i i think if you put that in the power of users yeah you'll still lose some people because they're not going to have that type person in their family or whatever but in my experience of my my grandpa living far away in a retirement village effectively yep there was like an it person thing i don't even know what i would call it it was like the person that everyone in that town because it was it was a pretty sprawling area but it was and everyone had their own homes and stuff but it was a retirement focused area i don't even know i'm sure it has a name i don't know what it is um retirement community sure um and i don't know if this person's shop was like on site in that community or not but like just everybody knew who he was um and he had a particular way of dealing with everyone which was actually like kind of neat because it was like the only person everybody really used word of mouth was everywhere that like if you were having like if your laptop was screwed up you just exchange you and then fix yours and like sell it to somebody else or whatever like he was pretty good about just like keeping people going okay and he had basically like team viewer on everyone's systems which i know but he could tap in if he like needed to help you with something because there would often be like oh there's something going wrong with whatever that's what

2:29:28Luke Lafreniere:archangel of death says 24 hours is enough time for my elderly family members to call me just to check if they're doing the right thing i'm still fundamentally against it for other reasons and i think that actually summarizes sort of where i'm at right now i haven't had a lot of time to think

2:29:43Linus Sebastian:about it my reason for this very long story oh sorry whoever that dude was yeah could maybe enable this thing for these people he's a good actor what if he wasn't yeah then disaster and this is not a good actor and you're in that dude's position this 24-hour window will not stop you

2:30:02Luke Lafreniere:this is true fools and horses has a really good point and asks asks the question has android gotten so large that the risk of being called negligent for allowing these things and for not putting obstacles in the way is greater than the risk of their disgruntled customers over this loss of freedom loss of openness how much of the market would they really lose and i think that's got to be the question that google's asking themselves as they navigate this decision and i I suspect the answer for how many people they're going to lose is extremely small. Yeah. And that's not like, that's not me saying that I support the decision.

2:30:46Luke Lafreniere:I'm just saying that that's the reality is that most people are not even watching the WAN show, not even aware of this, would have never sideloaded an APK anyway, unless some rando told them to do it in which case this was probably a thing um so g freak asks why is this also require okay sorry they're responding to someone else yeah never mind um yeah ann m white says it won't be zero but yeah it will be small uh leaving one's most experienced os and just like switching is like kind of a pain like honestly that's why Yvonne's still on iOS. Not because she prefers it, but just after she did the iPhone challenge, she's just like, oh, switching phones is such a pain in the butt.

2:31:32Luke Lafreniere:It really is. And just, I do think it's going to be pretty negligible. R. Comey and says, leave to what? iOS? I mean, Graphene OS is an option. iOS? I saw cool. This was cool. This was not really good news enough to be good news when show but um windows phone android launcher someone's uh someone is working on or um made oh no apparently this is old just uh an android launcher that like looks a lot like windows phone which i thought was pretty cool anyway that's it that was a little highlight for that i i don't think we're gonna reach a conclusion on this one because i don't think that it's it's cut and dried.

2:32:14Linus Sebastian:It's not simple.

2:32:14Luke Lafreniere:I do I do appreciate Google's position that they are still allowing sideloading with these caveats and for me for my use of Android the handful of times that I've needed to sideload this would have been good enough. This would have been a minor inconvenience.

2:32:34Linus Sebastian:Where does the slope end?

2:32:37Luke Lafreniere:Are we on the slip?

2:32:38Linus Sebastian:And I can't tell. I don't know that we are. I'm not trying to claim necessarily I don't either. I don't either. There are times where I have been like, this is a slope. I don't know that this one is, but it smells like one.

2:32:50Luke Lafreniere:Well, okay. In a vacuum, I would push back. If this was the only change that Google had made to Android over the last five years, then I'd be like, Luke, come on. They've been good stewards. They've done this. They've done that. In the context of everything that Google has done, though, with Chrome and with Android, with their products in general over, I mean, the last while. It's a lot harder for me to do that. They've lost my trust. Yeah. And I think that's a big part of it. It's like they've, there was a time when Google might have done this and said, trust me, bro, I got you. And I would have said, okay.

2:33:28Linus Sebastian:I would have. I still have a little bit of that with them, but not as much as before. I feel like they, let's check in on Killed by Google. I feel like they've been slowing down, but I'm not sure.

2:33:49Linus Sebastian:Okay, so 2026 and beyond is these.

2:33:53Luke Lafreniere:Oh, okay. Yeah, that's actually not that much.

2:33:56Linus Sebastian:Compared to, I mean, 2024 being like, what, all of this?

2:34:05Luke Lafreniere:The post-COVID time was a time of a lot of consolidation for the big tech companies. Team sizes shrank, projects were abandoned. It wasn't just Google at that time. Wow.

2:34:22Linus Sebastian:Fascinating.

2:34:23Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, Google is like the corporate embodiment of throw things at the wall and see what sticks, man. Yeah. And this next After Dark segment is the embodiment of throw questions at us and producer Dan. He's a Rubbermaid bin shelf now. Oh, there he is. Throw questions at us and see what sticks. I have become square. Let me get us changed over after dark. And I have to push this button too. Sorry, that came out of nowhere. I was unprepared. you good hey lld i've been thinking about this lately badminton is super popular around the world but most pro players aside from the very top don't seem to make nearly as much as athletes in other big sports i think about this a lot so take this for the semi-informed um rant that it kind of is um i think it's a number of problems and i think that bwf uh so badminton world federation is doing some things right to address it uh for for instance they actually just recently changed the scoring format so in the in the olden days so i guess this ended ended in the 90s or early 2000s i think badminton was done with service point so that is that you can only score a when you begin the rally with the serve.

2:35:59Luke Lafreniere:Okay, so it was service point, sets of 15, and then best of three sets. The problem with service point is that the games would sometimes drag on forever. It was an enormous burden on the athletes. And when you consider that oftentimes during tournaments, they're playing back to back to back across subsequent days, it could put you at a major disadvantage if one of your sets dragged on for a really long time because you have to win by two. So a service point win by two means that you could just defensively carry things forever. And it really rewarded endurance and less aggressive play. So it was changed to rally point.

2:36:42Luke Lafreniere:So you can win a point on any service, whether it's yours or the other players. So I believe in the 2000s, don't quote me on that, but I believe it was the 2000s, to encourage a more aggressive style of play, but to make sure the matches weren't crazy short, it was changed to 21 points per set. I think the 21 point service point, or excuse me, 21 point rally point format, still best of three, was horrible for the game. Not for the players. The players like it. And they actually, from my understanding, still mostly like it. And there's a lot of resistance to the new scoring format, which is 15 points rally point um but why i think it's so detrimental to the sport is it's really boring to watch a 21 point match i mean tell me how important in hockey how important is the first goal to you as a player right yeah extremely extremely important from the opening face-off from that moment the entire game could be riding on the line there's also a significant amount of

2:37:50Linus Sebastian:like fear at any point in time that something might happen which could result in a goal okay like if you see if you're if you're you know if the if the enemy team is in your team zone and you're a fan you're shaking in your boots at most stages of the game yes okay so counterpoint what if a hockey game was played to 21 goals yeah you don't care that much the first goal are you

2:38:15Luke Lafreniere:almost doesn't matter so what's happened and especially you gotta set the tone Especially in a format that is like a seeded bracketed tournament where your top seeds are playing against your bottom seeds up until you reach realistically like the round of 16 or quarterfinals. You end up with a lot of boring play that no one cares about because the first like little bit of the game is everyone just kind of like settling in. and then after that you've got like a very obvious who's going to win and who's not going to win there's very little upset in the rally point system because a better player will just win more points and there's less like oh but hold on he could defend he could defend their service regain the serve and like like like scrape his way back into the game you don't really get as many momentum swings and you don't get as many upsets.

2:39:17Luke Lafreniere:And you get a lot of the game that's just kind of like people are, the players themselves are kind of tuned out. They're not going as hard. And I think it's really boring to watch. The other thing that contributes to badminton being boring to watch is the broadcast. The camera angles suck. They do such a poor job. I remember showing someone like a really high level badminton match at one point and i'm going well why are they just like lobbing it to each other and i'm like bro if i hit those shots to you on a court and you like properly understood from the actual movement how far they're going they travel way farther in way less time than top level tennis players but you don't know that from watching it you can't tell how like the sheer athleticism of the game is not apparent from farther i don't think that's true way farther it's not even close you cannot think it's true but it's not even close.

2:40:12Luke Lafreniere:In the amount of time, I think you're totally right, but distance? It's not even close. I promise you. So it's a men's singles to men's singles, like top level Olympic match comparison. Someone did the math.

2:40:22Linus Sebastian:Total distance moved. Total distance moved.

2:40:24Luke Lafreniere:Okay, I think we're talking about different things. Total distance moved is higher and it's in less time. Both of those things. It's crazy like what they're doing out there and the explosiveness of the movement. It's a great game it's a wonderful game um you can't tell the the the angles do it no service whatsoever and especially the english-speaking commentators they might as well be commentating golf so i'm coming around to my point finally you should commentate a game it'd be fun i i'm not experienced i'm not like i it would still be very amateur and like crappy

2:41:00Linus Sebastian:and boring bring one this is how game casting does it bring one person on who bring one of the people from badminton insights and you and then you have like you're the energy right and

2:41:15Luke Lafreniere:they're the facts person okay you know what that's kind of an interesting idea it's kind of an interesting idea i kind of i kind of like the idea um anyway i'm coming around to my point here so you ask why the players aren't paid as much and it's because in my humble opinion i see a lot of resistance from the players to rule changes that would make the game more entertaining to watch where does money come from interesting it doesn't necessarily come from people playing the game in their backyards they'll go and they'll buy a racket from yonex or victor or whatever so there's revenue coming into the companies that are that are sponsoring these events but it's not necessarily attributable to the players yeah it's not attributable necessarily to the broadcast except like you said to those very top players where the matches are interesting where anyone could win so i would actually like to see them go even farther in the reduction of points per set i'd like to see something that's closer to like a tennis scoring system uh so for badminton because the rallies are generally shorter what i'd like to see is maybe like best of five sets but playing service point to like five points or seven points.

2:42:26Luke Lafreniere:So very, very, very short sets, but that have service point in order to give an opportunity for upset victories. Because realistically, even if I'm a much better badminton player than you, I could make three mistakes. If. You know, yeah. I'm kidding. Yeah. But I could make three mistakes. Sure, sure, sure. Now the pressure's on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? You create tension. I want tension and I want excitement. the whole time I'm watching. Think about sports that are fun to watch, that keep you on the edge of your seat the whole time you're watching. Anything could happen. Yeah, it's always tension.

2:43:00Luke Lafreniere:Badminton doesn't achieve that.

2:43:02Linus Sebastian:All the ideas, your idea is very interesting. All the ideas I've been trying to think of while sitting here, I don't think work for the players at all. I had one where if your rally gets far enough in, it becomes worth more or something. But now you have players counting on courses It doesn't work. It would be kind of fun as like a video game, but it doesn't work as like a sport.

2:43:26Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, and then if you get enough multiplier bonus, you could nuke your opponent from orbit

2:43:32Linus Sebastian:with the geo-positioning laser. If you go six rally back and forth, you can like double jump.

2:43:41Luke Lafreniere:You could do a special combo move. Helicopter hit. Yeah, so there. Sorry, that's my extremely long answer to what I think is wrong with badminton is it's not fun enough to watch. A lot of sports have that problem. Yeah. It also has the problem of like being very, very multinational and therefore it being hard to get like good common language interviews for your various geographies of audience.

2:44:12Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

2:44:15Luke Lafreniere:It's tough. it like it's it's a funny thing because in general i i find myself not liking the corporatization of sports like it it kind of sucks that macklin celebrini doesn't play for the f***ing vancouver canucks given he's from here and he's like the most exciting player in hockey right now pretty freaking cool yeah i don't think i would mind that that would be awesome um

2:44:45Luke Lafreniere:um and like the fact that conor mcdavid doesn't play for the toronto maple leafs is like you know kind of ridiculous uh where where's where's sid from he's from he's from nova scotia i think right so the fact that the hartford whalers don't get to still exist and sid plays for them like come on man that was like okay so yeah but this is very true with hockey where like americans

2:45:08Linus Sebastian:will be like oh well we beat you and it's like yeah your team has a lot of canadians on it but then baseball instead of the cup you look at the toronto raptors it's like it's like all the canadians finally made it it was like kind of were there like two canadians on the team or something

2:45:21Luke Lafreniere:yeah it's kind of a lot of americans so so as much as i so as much as i don't love the corporatization of of sport where like the vancouver canucks is just a brand yeah it has no meaning like there was at one point there was more swedes than canadians on the team which i don't mind i have nothing against swedes i just historically been a big thing for vancouver to have a like disproportionate amount of basically the canucks were team sweden at one point yeah um and and so i don't like that but what that does a really good job of is like getting people excited about you know like their team whereas when it's like the national team if you don't happen to have a star player especially in a more individual sport like badminton there's like nothing kind of nothing to cheer for whereas if you just you know had the you know the malaysia aces and you know the the the the canadian geese or you know like you had you you did more branding around it then yeah i think there's uh then i think there's a chance to to there's also arguments long-term fandom yeah like people will identify like they'll wear the hat you know like i'm a i'm a chargers fan you know i'm a raptors guy sure nobody nobody very few people do that except like on the court like they'll they'll wear like you know a jersey or whatever for their favorite player but there's not that that team branding and it works it works i don't make the rules it works this is an

2:46:51Linus Sebastian:ignorance thing is most of the world as interested in sports at all as north america is oh dude yeah like as a viewer as a fan dude like cricket in india right crazy is that them having a massive

2:47:06Luke Lafreniere:population it's just crazy okay and like dude at soccer soccer south america yes spectator 100 percent hundo p the brits hundo p yeah it's pretty huge yeah huge oh yeah yeah agent renzo's japan loves baseball dude the way that japan just kind of was like, oh, this American thing? Nope, it's a Japanese thing now. By the way, the greatest player on the face of the earth is Japanese. He's an absolute god at absolutely everything. Like Japan just exploded into the baseball scene. That's been wild to watch over my lifetime.

2:47:43Linus Sebastian:I just like, whenever I'm traveling literally anywhere that I've gone, I've never been to India, but anywhere that I've gone, you don't see it. Interesting. That's what I mean. Like in Canada, you go basically anywhere and you're going to see somebody wearing something to do with some sports team. In America, same deal. Would you necessarily recognize their sports attire? Not necessarily, but usually sports attire has kind of a vibe. It does. Solid color, big logo. But I wouldn't necessarily... There are definitely... I guarantee you there are cricket teams. I would have no idea.

2:48:23Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

2:48:26Linus Sebastian:yeah all right hit us dan and sometimes some soccer jerseys just look like an advertisement

2:48:29Luke Lafreniere:this is true hey dll loving the cables do we have any news on displayport or hdmi um the news is that we're working on development but realistically even if we got our golden samples and signed off and said go there's no production capacity for them until we can somewhat catch up on usbc and USB-A. So we're working on it. We're going to do it. They're not going to be the same. So they're going to be a little bit more rigid just because the conductors are so thick. So they're going to have like a bit more like memory to them, but they're still going to have the same outer sheath. So there's be super UV resistant and they'll have that kind of that nice feel to them.

2:49:13Luke Lafreniere:And obviously the signal quality will be a top priority, but they won't have quite the same flexibility so that's something to watch out for hello dll steam frame hype oh i know if it ever comes out any opinion on the way valve has handled the release so far has luke tried the controller i have not oh yeah you should you should borrow one just to try it out it's it's different it's definitely better for people with big hands than for people with my size knits when i saw the

2:49:42Linus Sebastian:imagery of it i thought that'd probably be true she's a thick boy the big pads man yeah yeah um

2:49:49Luke Lafreniere:as for how valves handled the release so far i don't think valve had a choice obviously valve would have loved to have the steam controller and the steam machine and the steam frame come out at the same time i'm like no question but round apocalypse what are they

2:50:03Linus Sebastian:in the warehouse for the controllers gotta start moving them yeah um i i saw in your review that the thumb collision thing i suspect i'll have an issue with that right you don't love the

2:50:12Luke Lafreniere:symmetrical thumbsticks neither do i really hate it neither do i really hate it read bad man hey yep dll it's great to watch live from the uk from your limited experience with it would you say that the steam machine will be worth the wait or bite the bullet and upgrade my i7 7700k at today's prices there are some deals to be had on dram right now i don't know how long they're gonna last it's funny it's funny looking at them be like oh it's whatever percentage off it's like yeah yeah don't ignore that just look at the price if you can snag a deal i would snag the deal you can snag and i wouldn't wait much longer i7 7700k is old enough that um there are modern games that are going to benefit from a from a big upgrade for you i would go for it all right linus and team are you still running an lgtv oled as your work monitor any annoyances you've come across and how did you fix them um i am not anymore the biggest annoyance it has got to be the auto brightness control as you go from from windowed applications to full screen applications there's not a ton that can really be done about that the monitor that i'm using for work right now is the one that we did a sponsored LTT for.

2:51:34Luke Lafreniere:This thing is absolutely knocking futz. It's 52 inches, 6K, and the way Dell markets it is as like a 4K. What's the size of the 4K they compare it to? I don't remember, but basically it's like 6144 by 2560 at 120 hertz. This thing is wild. So it's like having a 4K display and then like two 1080s flanking it. And it's 52 inches across. It's curved. It's got a built-in Thunderbolt hub. So I just roll up with my laptop, plug in, and all my peripherals are ready to rock. My webcam, my mic, everything's good to go. It's IPS, so there's no tomfoolery around like auto brightness and dimming and anything like that.

2:52:23Luke Lafreniere:It's like$4 ,000 Canadian dollars. So it's like three grand US.

2:52:27Linus Sebastian:I was going to say, I think I'll keep my three monitors.

2:52:30Luke Lafreniere:It's the nicest monitor that I use but could never recommend. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.

2:52:36Linus Sebastian:I mean, that's fair enough. And hopefully, you know, you're seeing prices like of standard class monitors. I don't know, 1080, 1440p monitors right now constantly coming down. Stuff like that will come down eventually.

2:52:50Luke Lafreniere:And for the price, I would solidly recommend the 42-inch TV instead. that's uh even with the distractions and annoyances i remember we did a video a while back on how you can get like a service remote for the lg and there's more stuff you can adjust i don't know that that's true of the newer ones though i think i was on like a c2 at the time yeah i've got a c2 as my main monitor and 52 inches nice and they're pretty damn cheap uh let's see what else is next hey luke how are you liking tarkov 1.0 uh i was having a pretty

2:53:23Linus Sebastian:okay time with it and then you sound so enthusiastic we and then we linux challenged i do want to escape from tarkov i want to like complete the game which is possible now uh hit me up hit me up i'll join yeah i'll be your boat anchor you're gonna have fun um we'll see how that goes especially because like i was playing decently close to launch and doing okay but if i jumped in now everyone's gonna have like crazy gear so it might make sense for me to wait for a wipe again and then try to beat it then but we'll see hello dll from the netherlands question one my company is looking to

2:54:00Luke Lafreniere:give none techie users uh to vibe code in-house apps users think will help them with their work what's your thoughts um also when's the ltd vibe code video i talked about that earlier oh you did okay so yeah it's it's dead it'll maybe be a floatplane exclusive with like sort of roughly cut together but it's just it's been so long since i did the challenge that it just doesn't

2:54:25Linus Sebastian:seem that relevant today um so i'm gonna hear your question and take it in a slightly different angle but an interesting application for vibe coding that i've thought of recently that i've kind of pitched to somebody internally who was trying to vibe code their own thing but something that would be pretty sketchy to vibe code um was how about you try to vibe code it on your own and use that as the request. Yeah. So like... Make this, but not crap. Yeah, basically. Because one of the most difficult parts is actually getting out of someone's brain what they actually want. You'd think that wouldn't be that hard, but it's really, really difficult sometimes.

2:55:11Luke Lafreniere:That was what I expected to be the conclusion of the Vibe Coding Challenge. Yeah. Was that the best use of it for someone like me was to make a proof of concept that I could then hand to a developer and go, this is what I need it to do. Now it does everything I need it to do, make it not suck.

2:55:25Linus Sebastian:And I'm not going to lie, if you handed your version to Dan and he got to start with that instead of your notes, I bet you would have done a better job. And your notes weren't even like that bad. Like compared to most people pitching things, your notes were pretty good. Some people will give you just nothing.

2:55:41Luke Lafreniere:And it's like... I tried to put a lot of thought into it. Like what I tried to do was I tried to provide Dan with the same prompting yeah that i would give to an llm yeah because if you know if the llm can't do it then he can't do it for sure or like if he can't do it then the llm can't do it that's that's what i was going for so he would have to have all the information so i tried to i actually try

2:56:04Linus Sebastian:like tried to be extra super serial like thorough yeah um so like i i think that can be kind of neat Like let this person brainstorm with themselves effectively and come up with like a, yeah, I mean, this thing doesn't necessarily work or maybe it's like a just absolute nightmare for security reasons or whatever else. But this is kind of what I want it to do. You can poke around and see the intention and then take that and actually make a thing out of it. Sounds pretty cool. A company really encouraging their employees to do that. I mean, yeah, sounds like security problems depending on what your company works on.

2:56:43Linus Sebastian:I've also seen people do some really cool stuff with vibe coding I'm pretty sure what's his name Hank Green Hank Green YouTube let's go to his channel he has a video the Artemis photos you didn't see yet and then in here he vibe coded a website called Artemis Timeline and you can go through and see the photos that were taken and the like time of day and which camera took it and what they were supposed to be doing at the time and all that kind of stuff. And he put this together with some vibe coding and it didn't perfectly work. And he had to step in and make some changes to it and improve things and fix data and whatnot.

2:57:30Linus Sebastian:But like he got part of the way there with vibe coding. and if it if you're not Hank Green and you can't take it the rest of the way there maybe within your company you can hand it off to somebody who can yeah it's funny you bring up like

2:57:43Luke Lafreniere:creators using vibe coding I was at creator summit recently and I spoke to at least one I'll just put it that way creator who uses vibe coding very regularly in their projects and just doesn't disclose it yeah because they just don't feel like dealing with the hate because at the end of the day all the viewers care about is like the end result of the product they're never gonna audit the code it doesn't matter because they're never gonna ship it to anyone and they just love it i know multiple creators personally that that use it and don't disclose it

2:58:14Linus Sebastian:um but they're also not like shipping yeah these are tools for themselves yeah yeah like and and Hank Green did, but he disclosed it, I think, like multiple times in one video. Like he wasn't... That's a Hank Green thing to do. Yeah. Sure is. And it's a cool site. Oh, sorry.

2:58:36Luke Lafreniere:Sorry. Cool. What's up, boys? Luke, what specific charity do you use at home when sitting at your computer and gaming?

2:58:43Linus Sebastian:Uh...

2:58:47Linus Sebastian:I had the name in my head earlier and I don't remember. Let me see one second. I took that from you. I can find it pretty easily. Do-do-do. Computer. Oh my god. Computer chair. Do-do-do. The Marcus. The Ikea Marcus. That's it. Nice. Solid. It's cheap. It's not that good.

2:59:18Luke Lafreniere:nice hello legendary lords of devices this question mostly goes to luke wow three in a row but linus is free to answer as well i've heard you mention playing balder's gate three before what's your favorite class to play oh dude i don't think linus is going to have one of these i don't think you've played it i always play mage chicks okay whether it's world of warcraft or dragon uh dragon age or like whatever i'm just i'm just i go straight for the mage chick i

2:59:46Linus Sebastian:personally think those are cooler in divinity because the the interaction of all the spells with each other you'll do that kind of stuff um fighter classic just so sick in baldur's gate they're crazy dude they're nuts attacking like six times in one turn is just crazy jumping all over the place yeah they're just they're nuts i i like one of the designers for brawler's gate must have looked at dnd and been like fighters are boring what if we just gave them crack just like what happened worked for the germans basically yeah um so i don't know those are fun um i i like tons of stuff i've played i've played a bunch of different classes but But yeah, just full sending Lazell down Fighter is sick.

3:00:38Linus Sebastian:All right.

3:00:39Luke Lafreniere:DLL, if LTT could pivot to a completely channel-unrelated topic for one week, what would you cover? Also, thanks for the new shipping perk. I upgraded to Floatplane Plus because I did the math, and I would actually save money. Yeah. If you order a fair bit from LTT Store, it's kind of a no-brainer. the float plane perk includes always free shipping I have clarified with the team that is apparently forever so free shipping over a threshold but during shipstorm the threshold is even lower

3:01:10Linus Sebastian:oh okay yeah

3:01:15it would

3:01:16Luke Lafreniere:probably be okay this is going to sound crazy but I think it would be like going to garage sales if it was just for a week just like a throw away thing i would i would probably i would i would probably like thrift or like go to garage i love hunting for deals garage yard wars and it'd be kind of fun to like not have to bother with computer deals for a change i'd like i think that would be a blast linus and luke just go to garage sales i would watch i would watch the crap out of that i was thinking i don't feel

3:01:46Linus Sebastian:like this is my personal vote which i think everyone's going to get pissed about but my personal vote is that we maybe don't even do a scrappy wars this year oh we're not doing one this year. Yeah, okay. Everything's just kind of a mess. But I was thinking, next time we bring it back, I think you and I should be teamed up. I don't know. You just won a trophy. Maybe. I don't know what the

3:02:11Linus Sebastian:challenge is. I don't know why it makes sense. But I think it would be fun. Two adults beating up toddlers

3:02:16Luke Lafreniere:at that point. We've done it before. We lost once when we were teamed up, I think. Did we not? We did and then figured out that they cheated. oh that's right i remember that yeah but they did they did super well yeah and i think they

3:02:30Linus Sebastian:only really cheated because their part like died which was unfortunate but aha we still win

3:02:37Luke Lafreniere:hello linus luke and dan what has been the biggest tech interruption caused by pets once i had our dog rip a dsl cable which took down internet and television for a few hours when i was a kid we had

3:02:48Linus Sebastian:a pet rabbit and they chewed through all of the cables behind the tv nice and then my brother and I didn't think quite as highly of the rabbit.

3:02:58Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I can imagine you two not being into that. Not a pet, but I had rats destroy both our minivan and Yvonne's SUV recently, making nests in them and chewing through wires. They both had to go in for work over the last few months. Yikes. Pretty not impressed by that. So I have to like, I have to like rodent proof my garage now, which is just, you know, the kind of thing I love doing on a weekend. i had that problem ages ago that in an effort to be green they made the wires out of cellulose let's just make wait really yeah it was some derivative or something let's just make all the wires in the car out of rat food great choice okay as much as uh as much as it's like a champagne problem um i was talking to my uncle about um sort of green initiatives in manufacturing and how they sometimes have unintended consequences.

3:03:53Luke Lafreniere:And he was saying that in some ways, an older airframe is actually more desirable than a newer one. And the reason is that the EPA mandates the use of more ecologically friendly primers on the frames now that just crack and fail after not that many years compared to the old ones. And then the painting's like crazy expensive because I don't know, it flies? and so the one from 1990 he was telling me it's actually more economical to carefully remove only the paint and then just touch up the primer uh with the because you can't use the old stuff anymore so you just like touch up the spots where you act like accidentally went through it um then it is to like strip it and reprime it because of how often you'll have to completely strip it and reprime it now and everyone knows this and just keeps doing it and it sort of raises the question how much eco-friendly paint do you need to use before it would have been better to just paint it once with the not eco-friendly paint and i don't know the answer to that question

3:05:01Linus Sebastian:i also wonder what about it is not eco-friendly and and how not eco-friendly it is because it could be that that original primer is just like really brutal it could be as bad as painting it

3:05:10Luke Lafreniere:six times right but unless we unless we know for sure that math which maybe someone has done but i just hopefully i just doubt it like how many times do they have to manufacture the cable harness in mine and dan's car before it would have been better to just use the less eco-friendly cable harness what if it's rat food you know what i mean i mean the potential the manufacturing of the product could also be super super brutal like maybe not so much for for wire you know installation but yeah yeah sometimes these have unintended consequences bro a bro well i just got some good news what i just got a tracking number um uh-oh no or here here i'll bring i'll bring it up here i'll bring it up here i told these guys at ces i guess it was did did we even make a video stop tracking people uh uh

3:06:17Luke Lafreniere:i don't think i made a video did i do a short

3:06:21Linus Sebastian:bro what are you talking about you gotta tell me what you're

3:06:23Luke Lafreniere:talking about okay okay okay do you remember roar systems the guys who did that like air jet thing yeah okay at ces they showed off something called liquid jet so traditional cold plates right like water blocks are made by taking a plate of copper and then you either you like mill a design in it so you know like little pins or whatever uh or or like a lot of modern ones use what's called skived copper where you take a blade and so you take that flat piece of copper and you like shave a sliver of copper and then like fold it up and then make another fan and make another videos of making heat sinks that way sky of copper so cool anyway that's a traditional way your geometries are pretty limited because it's subtractive or like like using the malleability of the copper to reshape it roar is using more like um more like uh like like silicon manufacturing so they're using like metal deposition like you would like you would make microchips so by using copper deposition they can make geometries that are like like out of this world more firmly efficient than even skived copper um i just not a good that's not what i'm getting that's not what i'm getting i'm getting just oh no no you can keep that up though i'm getting just the like cooling engines at the top right i'm getting two so we're gonna try putting one on a gaming gpu cool and just like seeing how fast she go this this stuff's so cool so i was i've been working on this since january um and i was like yeah i don't see the point of me making yeah i remember now i was like i don't see the point of me making a video about like here's a demo on a gpu no one will ever own but i'm really excited about this and i really want to work with you guys but i want one and it's taken until now to kind of give them all the reassurances that like you know we're not going to judge them based on that the you know the the vrms are going to be hotter because it's not a full coverage solution and just like no no no guys it's yeah yeah yeah we're good we're good we're good um i'm dude i'm stoked i'm so stoked to check it out yeah nice that's sweet yeah howdy from texas mechanical slash manufacturing engineer here what manufacturing methods do y 'all use in the production of your products or any product in general that still fascinates you today

3:09:04Linus Sebastian:injection molding i was going to say it's all kind of fascinating casting um 3d printing

3:09:13Luke Lafreniere:uh i mean lots of different things laser engraving i um i mean we have a lot of like small scale stuff in house but realistically you know we're we're we're using industrial scale manufacturers for for a lot of the stuff that makes it to ltt store otherwise we wouldn't be able to produce in any meaningful volume so i i'm very fascinated by manufacturing technology but unless you ask me a specific product then i i wouldn't really be able to i wouldn't really be able to narrow it down too much i'm afraid

3:09:53Luke Lafreniere:sorry linus and luke about to quit my job to be an executive at a startup oh huge step mall business focused on home services after seeing many businesses rise and fall what are the biggest indicators of success tips culture you have to have a culture that's hungry and wants to win at times we've had a very hungry winning oriented culture and at times we've had a very complacent um collect a paycheck culture and and at times we've had mixed and at times we've had a mix that has been at various levels of health and i would say that if there's anything that i could tell you to focus on it's have a culture that is laser focused on just winning and being hungry and failure is not an option.

3:10:45Luke Lafreniere:Hey, Lit Lap Dap. You mentioned a while ago that you were going to hold a Smash tournament as a middle finger to Nintendo's crazy guidelines. Any update to that for the future of Whaleland? We got yelled at. Of the L coin. By our own people. Yeah, we basically... I'm not going to tell you my wife said no. but my wife said no and she was right she usually is sometimes she's not hypothetically I imagine sometimes she's not but usually she's right sometimes she can be very very conservative in terms of like CYA covering our butts but that has you know and and there are times when it's very annoying to navigate that but then we'll get audited and we like pass our audits and i'm like right good good job you know do you have any recommendations on what i should use on my px 13 for the memory modules i plan on repasting my cpu to get the get rid of the liquid metal before i kill my unit i plan to use btm 7 9 50 for processing oh uh it's less a matter of what you should use and it's more a matter of what thickness you should use uh you may want to try checking with asus they may be willing to tell you if they're not willing to tell you then oh man your best bet might be to just take it off and measure the thickness of those thermal pads and then make sure that you're not putting in something that is thinner or thicker than what's already in there or you could just keep using the thermal pads that are in there i mean realistically are those going to be a real problem for you is your memory overheating there's no liquid metal on the memory so i if i if it was me the convenient way would be to just reuse my thermal pads there that's going to be that's going to be my my low friction um recommendation what's your opinion on the online belief that the steam machine will include a controller on launch i'm interested but the price worries me also what's the status on the physical linus coin shipping uh status on the physical coins is they are in manufacturing and if you check your order confirmation it should tell you like when they're expected to be uh being minted um as for the steam machine including a controller from my understanding it should include a controller that was what valve pretty sure yeah told me when i I went down there for the announcement or the unveiling.

3:13:27Luke Lafreniere:If something changed due to the way the market is right now, I wouldn't actually like hold valve to the coals over it. Like it's a tough situation that they're in. But from my understanding, that is the intent.

3:13:44Luke Lafreniere:Hello from Toronto. I just finished Sea of Stars and I'm looking for my next fix. Got any recommendations for more retro vibe fun times? already finished cross code from your WAN show recommendation ooh um

3:14:01Linus Sebastian:is it retro or is it JRPG because you could you recommend Expedition 33

3:14:06Luke Lafreniere:oh Expedition 33 is so good

3:14:08Linus Sebastian:not retro looking but JRPG not technically retro vibe fun time French RPG

3:14:17Luke Lafreniere:oh they want a retro vibe fun time Chained Echos Chained Echoes is another one I played and really enjoyed the story gets a little sort of weird but that's kind of typical of the genre toward the end

3:14:34Luke Lafreniere:Chained Echoes was my answer Dan oh there he goes and last one I got for you today is hey DLL is there any plan to make a windbreaker coat love from La Belle province I think so i actually don't know i'm so sorry you might have to message support and i think i'm gonna message support that it's time for the end of the show we'll see you again next week same bad time different channel you want to head over to the wan show channel we're gonna we're gonna have to transition over there pretty quick because this whole streaming on both is not working we might have to figure out the collab feature i don't know apparently that isn't

3:15:16Linus Sebastian:a thing maybe but you could collab launch the vod okay i don't know see you later

3:15:28Linus Sebastian:bye i have to fly yeah

3:15:46Bye.