Minecraft Views On YouTube About To Skyrocket - WAN Show August 21, 2026

12:17Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I actually watched a really interesting video essay the other day about how the one time oh wait, no, never mind. Carry on.

12:24Linus Sebastian:Linus watched a video essay?

12:26Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, yeah, but I completely brain farted and And Valve kind of did something sort of. So carry on.

12:32Linus Sebastian:Oh, okay. But that is often their thing. I feel like YouTube is currently being assaulted on three sides, one of which we'll talk about in a moment. But we've been talking about TikTok and Netflix for a long time. I really do feel like they could have been in a much better spot than they are now if they just didn't actually do anything. If they didn't push shorts as hard as they did. Maybe they have shorts, but it's kind of a side thing. and if they didn't mess with a few of the other things that they've been doing algorithm-wise lately and just let the platform go, you would see TV user share go up, which would naturally drive creators to longer form content, which would build more retention on TV, which would kind of just automatically snowball themselves.

13:14Linus Sebastian:Give you more opportunities to serve an ad. But now they have this platform that can't decide what it is, where it's really struggling between shorts and long form and what's good about which one and struggling with identity. I keep talking about the soul of YouTube. Yeah. It's being eroded for sure.

13:32Luke Lafreniere:YouTube used to have a clear identity. I knew what it was. It was somewhere that I could go for like my sort of my daily summary type content. It's somewhere that I could go to get, you know, montages, gameplay videos. It was definitely the place I went to watch trailers. It was where I went for like how-tos and tutorials. it was where i went to catch up with get more get it was where the most engaging relationship with any online personalities was going to be uh you know more than 140 characters that i'm going to get over on twitter and um and now i just don't understand what it is like there's ai slop games and I can rent movies and also there's like there's the endless scrolling shorts and there's the traditional VOD that you know you get them in a room behind closed doors and they swear up and down it's still so important and so core to our identity and I go well then f***ing act like it and then there's live streams they got these four hour shows with two people just like sitting at a table What even is the show about?

14:46Luke Lafreniere:Nobody knows. Minecraft! Minecraft! That's right! It's about Minecraft.

14:51Linus Sebastian:And you know what else is probably going to blow up with Minecraft? Is the thing that saw the gap in YouTube's armor and finally decided to strike, like a sleeping dragon finally waking up, is Billy Billy's going global. Billy Billy. And this is really, really, really interesting to me. not only because there's guaranteed going to be some amazing minecraft videos on there but also because just my god if there was a platform that could actually fight youtube

15:23Luke Lafreniere:it's probably billy billy who could have possibly seen this one coming i didn't i didn't you know what's funny is i could even i could even retcon this and i could claim that i you did because we've had a channel there forever i could claim that i big brain yeah saw the writing on the wall and and just like uh you know tick tock came and took on facebook and and instagram and youtube that billy billy was going to be the next big you know global sensation and that's why i got in early on the ground floor and I have over a million subscribers on Billy Billy. No, no, not at all. What it pretty much came down to.

16:11Linus Sebastian:You got a play button though. I got two. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, it's, they're super cute. They're pretty sweet. They're really cute. Can you, can you, sorry to derail you. Can you go to the homepage of that real quick? Of Billy Billy? Yeah.

16:21Luke Lafreniere:Just like the homepage of Billy Billy. Yeah.

16:23Linus Sebastian:Wow.

16:24Luke Lafreniere:Look at that. It's just, wow. It's just videos that people. Wow. Am I a Billy Billy enjoyer?

16:32Linus Sebastian:What's happening here's a vlog i don't see any shorts no shorts

16:39Luke Lafreniere:just actual just actual videos that probably people want to watch yep billy billy brother and and billy billy in classic you know you know traditional chinese fashion took some of the best ideas from YouTube. Yep. Like payouts to creators. They have a creator revenue split. Yep. They're the one... Actually, it's so funny that I never thought of this, even though we are on this platform. They are the one other platform I can think of

17:17Linus Sebastian:that does a rev share. They're the one other platform that could actually take YouTube's pie. Well, because they're the only ones... Largely because of that.

17:25Luke Lafreniere:Smart enough to just go, hey, how do we attract creators to our platform?

17:28Linus Sebastian:Why don't we just give them a share? All the articles talking about Billy Billy going global are like, it's interesting because they seem to be going after creators as a whole more than they're going after like individual pieces of content. I'm like, yeah, because they're trying to compete with YouTube. They're not trying to compete with something else. And oh man, they're coming out swinging for YouTube right when YouTube is at, in a lot of ways, the weakest it's been in its like entire history. So the story, the story of how... but the most assailable, I think.

17:56Luke Lafreniere:So the story of how I ended up on Billy Billy is actually that there was a group of people stealing our videos and re-uploading them to Billy Billy. Not because they were mean, bad people who were trying to take my money or, you know, whatever. They ended up being cool. Because they were big fans of the channel and just wanted to bring LTT content to a Chinese audience, many of whom are stuck behind the Great Firewall. and um so in a very unconventional business move um i asked at the time dennis to reach out and say okay hey what the f**k you can't do that but also how about this how about i pay you and you translate the videos on an official basis and then we take the revenue share and out of that we we pay you and then that that was where our billy billy translation group came from and as you can see they are still they don't upload every video because we kind of leave it to them to determine what makes the most sense for the chinese market they don't take every video sometimes over censorship concerns sometimes over just not feeling that it's suitable content for that

19:07Linus Sebastian:audience maybe it's like super local to north america something who knows yep um but you can

19:12Luke Lafreniere:see that as recently as this video from less than a week ago i think we are still uploading to our billy billy channel and uh we've got a foothold baby on the platform that could be the next one um nice ink print head clogging yeah yeah i i am aware of the concern we'll see how it goes yeah billy billy like look how look how just usable this is here it is other videos that might be interesting to you some from this channel uh some that are just like you know in a similar vertical where are all where are all the ads oh cool i could watch the video while i

19:53Linus Sebastian:scroll down in the comments how billy billy will perform that's pretty cool being what youtube was

19:58Luke Lafreniere:before shorts rotted youtube's own brain i could just i could just expand this and then i could wow look at look at all this there's just like there's so there's so many like videos from like a related creator on a related subject that's pretty cool uh watch oh okay i have to i have to log in to see comments okay yeah fine fair enough uh they also have some pretty fun things for like interactivity so comments on videos actually appear uh according to the time stamp this is my understanding correct me if i'm wrong uh but according to the time stamp where the person commented they'll actually scroll up here like while you're watching which is something you can turn off you don't have to have it enabled this is a relatively remember that being a i don't see

20:40Linus Sebastian:it happening there but i remember that one doesn't have that one just got uploaded okay so i'll have

20:44Luke Lafreniere:to find one that uh that's got a little bit more but i also don't think that's that's like the

20:51Linus Sebastian:chinese billy billy i think they're planning on launching like uh a different site there there used to be a requirement that you had to upload like your passport and a bunch of other crazy stuff to be a a foreign creator on billy billy they're getting rid of that and getting your

21:05Luke Lafreniere:money out of the platform involved sending somebody to china to do it uh i i think Taryn withdrew the money for us once at one point or maybe we got a maybe it was a family member of someone who worked I can't remember it was a whole it was a whole complicated thing problems yeah and

21:23Linus Sebastian:they're making it easier to deal with as a platform and then I don't know if they're just adapting the site they have currently to more be more friendly for that or if it's going to be a

21:31Luke Lafreniere:naturally new website or what those earth asks does Billy Billy have video replies uh I don't know but i would be fascinated just like luke to see what kind of success they could have simply by being what youtube used to be yeah and spoiler i think it's gonna be a lot they have picture replies and and they're a platform that has been around for a minute oh they have figured out the infrastructure they have figured out scale oh they can do this i can't i I can't believe this never occurred to me. I feel really stupid right now. I mean, not because it was obvious to everyone else. I think they were just, I think by and large, they were overlooked by pretty much everybody, but it was sitting there right in front of us.

22:19Luke Lafreniere:I upload to this freaking platform.

22:21Linus Sebastian:How did I not notice it? That seems like they were super, super dedicated for over a decade to just being China's video platform. And most... I mean, not even that. It started as like an anime piracy site.

22:33Luke Lafreniere:Oh, right. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah but kind of like justin tv eventually turned to gaming eventually turned to billion dollar amazon acquisition in the form of twitch tv and then now he who even knows what's going on yeah humble humble beginnings and now here they are coming for youtube and they're the closest thing to having a shot do do they support they do they support live streaming okay you heard it here 1st, effective the next couple of weeks. It'll take us a little bit.

23:07Linus Sebastian:Whenever Dan gets around to it.

23:08Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, whenever this guy, you know, gets to it. We are gonna simul stream to Billy Billy. Why not? Give me a reason. Oh, yeah, no, we should. We should? Yeah, why not? Dan looked like he had something to say.

23:24Linus Sebastian:I'll do it. Monday. I wonder if we should get like a... I don't know if we should actually.

23:35Luke Lafreniere:Okay.

23:36Linus Sebastian:I was going to say, we should get like a live transcription thing. Like try to have Whisper running in real time. No. Maybe there's some other better thing. No, I think we should just be a live English channel on the platform. That's why I then pivoted and was like, maybe not. No, yeah. Because they're, man, these flies. It's one on your mic and one on your shirt. It's been attacking me too. Oh, it's so annoying. I've got one over here. Um, yeah, because I mean, if their plan is to go global and be more Western, then it shouldn't be that big of a deal. But then as well, the millions plus subscribers you have on there already are watching dubbed stuff?

24:17Linus Sebastian:No. Oh, no, it's subtitled. Subtitled.

24:21Luke Lafreniere:so for i i well should we have i've heard this story oh you know what oh what a cool application that would be for like a local like ai box right there yeah oh that would be very cool let's do it i don't know i don't know i think we should do it you know i had a call with nvidia today oh about working together more on local ai hardware oh yeah so um yeah i basically was like Like, look, you guys, we haven't really engaged with you on AI stuff because the whole cloud AI thing.

24:57Linus Sebastian:We're not super into that.

24:58Luke Lafreniere:We're just not really that excited about it. Yeah. But, you know, I don't think you care. Local stuff is sick. I don't care who, I don't think you care who you sell shovels to. Yeah. And we're very excited about local AI and local LLMs. And, you know, what does that, what does that look like? Because right now it's a major challenge for us that even if we wanted to buy the hardware, where a lot of the time you just outright can't get access to it. So how can we work together a little better on this, like we used to in the GeForce days, where you'd get stuff over to us for evaluation, we do cool projects with it, we have a bunch of fun, hey, we maybe point a camera at it, remember, like LTT?

25:38Luke Lafreniere:Why don't we do that kind of stuff for local AI? And that is such a perfect example of the kind of project that we would have done in the old days.

25:47Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Oh, yeah. The one thing I'm wondering about is like, is there, is there some way, I don't know if I have not familiar with this at all, but is there some way we can send them the like subtitle feed? Maybe Dan knows separately from the video feed or do we have to put it on the video for everyone watching? Cause I don't necessarily want it baked in for everybody. You know, we already have, we already have a pretty big banner down here. Do we have the big banner and then also subtitle text? Like my goodness.

26:15Luke Lafreniere:To quote Linus, what about second banner? Yeah, we could put it over in the middle. Oh Technology connections beat me to the punch. We're doing a video on our heat pump water heater at the tech house Probably in the next few weeks. That's fine. We can both make a video on the same subject. I'll allow it Alec I have him come review your house at some point. That would be amazing I don't know if we'd have enough heat pumps for him.

26:37Linus Sebastian:He steps into a new room Ah, yes time to talk about the refrigeration cycle again. Yes, yes, yes

26:47Linus Sebastian:Tell me again about how double hoses are better. It's like an eight-hour live stream of him just constantly restating the refrigeration cycle as he walks around a building. 100 % watch time. I actually guarantee you that would explode.

27:06Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. All right. So, yeah. Yeah, live streaming, Billy Billy. I think we'd have to lose the banner. But I think we could try and... I don't even think we need to do the live translation right away. I think we should start with the stream and then we can figure out the transcription later.

27:20Linus Sebastian:Yeah, that's totally fine. All right. I'm just kind of wondering, like, you know, if you've built an audience over there that is used to reading subtitles, it would be nice to... Offer that continuity. Give them subtitles. 100%. Yeah.

27:30Luke Lafreniere:I mean, worst case scenario, we could always process it after the fact and then have it on the VOD. Yeah, sure. So that's an option. The other thing is I can do multi-stream outputs with a different, like, submix. so we could have a secondary banner that was off to one side and then we throw in the subtitles smaller.

27:49Linus Sebastian:AJ is saying that we can embed the closed captioning or the subtitles in the stream. Yeah, we can do some really, really cool stuff with our platform. That would have to be done really fast.

28:01Luke Lafreniere:Well, if it was delayed. Yeah, we could just have a stream delay. Say it took 12 seconds to process. Yeah, and that way if I ever said something like Taiwan's a country, then we could deal with that as well with the same stream delay.

28:13Linus Sebastian:you'd have to give like you'd have to give your translator bros they're still doing it right uh they like a company now they do it for a bunch of i can't remember the details been a long time since we talked about it uh give them the red button uh just let them handle it

28:31Luke Lafreniere:yeah i mean that is a that is a challenge right because there's no way that we're going to say anything different yeah so But that's the thing, right? If Billy Billy wants to go global, then they're going to have to figure that out. It'll be interesting.

28:47Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Maybe they don't. Maybe that's the whole play. Maybe it's, you know, billionaires are buying all the media over here. Maybe China wants a piece. Who knows? Who knows?

29:02Luke Lafreniere:All right. What else we got for this week? Dan, what are we supposed to be doing? more topics he says you're like perfectly on time sure do you want to pick one luke uh sure i was i

29:14Linus Sebastian:was nerd sniped wanting to read the the comments of what the chinese people think of the 1080 video but uh i will i will go pick i'm actually really interested in that um and i think it's actually sorry i think it's really cool that they have picture replies yeah you can hear you can see previews of what that looks like yeah i think that's awesome actually uh i kind of wonder how they deal with moderation on that um i mean it's china they find a way i mean i haven't seen a problem with it yet so yeah maybe they're very very very well versed in that we'll we'll see i guess um where was one of the other topics that was fun uh yeah a pbs channel won the rights to 70 years of archival tv data we talked about this last week we told you about how missouri based uh 9 PBS lost 70 years of local storage.

30:09Linus Sebastian:Sorry, local TV history, about 50 terabytes of archival data, after its cloud storage provider, Open Source Storage, went out of business and cut off access. And there's been an update. A judge has now cleared 9 PBS to recover the data from Iron Mountain, which was essentially the landlord, the co-location data center, for the physical server infrastructure used by Open Source Storage. Now, to be clear, I don't blame, I don't think anyone's blaming Iron Mountain here. No, because... I think Iron Mountain kind of had to have this legal thing happened to be able to legally hand the data over. Yeah.

30:41Linus Sebastian:Because it wasn't technically theirs to hand over. Yeah. So they were kind of allowed to do this by this judge. So don't look at Iron Mountain poorly. I'm actually blown away by how quickly the legal system moved on this.

30:52Luke Lafreniere:So fast. Doesn't really normally go that way, I think. No.

30:55Linus Sebastian:It might be because Iron Mountain was like, yeah, sounds great. and just didn't have any problems. I'm assuming that happened. I don't technically know. But yeah, their servers are in Denver. 9PBS must use a third-party vendor, cover unpaid storage fees, and ensure other customers' data isn't accessed, which seems fair enough. And the retrieval is expected to happen within 30 days.

31:15Luke Lafreniere:So all's well that ends well. But hey, maybe next time you should follow 321 practices and one of your copies should be on-prem, in my humble opinion. Yeah. All right. I think that's all we need to say about that. This one is pretty interesting to me. I'm actually going to combine a couple of our topics here. One is that Intel says that their LGA 1700 platform is going to continue to be a, and this is a quote, major part of Intel's lineup for years because folks want to stick with cheaper DDR4. The Tom's Hardware article where they interviewed Robert Halleck, Intel executive, what is he, a VP or something like that?

32:07Luke Lafreniere:I forget what his actual job title is. I've met Robert. He's a pretty chill guy. Anyway, the Tom's Hardware article points out that demand for Intel's fourth-gen chips has jumped so much that processors like the 14600K and 14700K are now hard to find and notably more expensive. Ah, yes, the tale as old as time. This news lines up pretty well with rumors of a Raptor Lake Next refresh of these chips. Of course, AMD has also been doing refreshes and re-releases of their 5000 series AM4 CPUs, which are a little bit on the older side. Other than some of the reliability concerns around particularly the core i7s and core i9s from 13th and 14th gen uh 14th gen is a pretty good place to be like a 14 600k is a pretty nice little sweet spot and while ddr5 does offer a performance advantage uh we did a video about this fairly recently comparing ddr4 to ddr5 for gaming and we found that the difference was did we test minecraft not that much uh no but minecraft is a really important thing to talk about because it's part of our title for this video which is part of our strategy for maybe getting more views at least according to my youtube rep yes um i forget where i was going with that thank you very much that was a very skillful derailment um a lot of those

33:35Linus Sebastian:today yep yep that was tested you tested yeah right ddr4 ddr5 ddr4 versus ddr5 and we found

33:41Luke Lafreniere:there wasn't much of a difference and the conclusion for that video was really interesting because I kind of had to point out that, hey, I'm telling you now, don't worry too much about it. Use DDR4. And that's pretty different from what I said to you back when DDR5 came out. So you might think to yourself, gee, Linus, you know, why are you shilling so hard for DDR5 back then and then totally flip-flopping on the issue? And it's because of the price. Yeah. I would have no problem spending an extra$50, $70 on a DDR5 kit compared to DDR4. Because in the context of my entire system cost, that's going to be like 5-10%, right?

34:26Luke Lafreniere:Maybe even less, actually, if I'm spending a couple grand on a system, I'm buying like a high-end system, you know, 4K gaming or whatever. So no problem, spend a little bit more on DDR5. But all of a sudden, DDR5 is costing three times, four times as much as DDR4. Well, now we've got an enormous problem here and it totally makes sense to go back to DDR4. There are still challenges buying into older platforms. There's not going to be much in terms of an upgrade path. And that's true of both AM4 and LGA 1700. But I do think that Intel really nailed it when they kept DDR4 compatibility around for just one more generation than AMD did because you're getting one generation newer chips that still support that older legacy memory.

35:12Luke Lafreniere:And I actually remember that was around the time that I toured the Intel R &D facility over in Europe that they were talking about the challenges of having an IMC that supported both DDR4 and DDR5 and all the extra validation that's involved in that because it's not just DDR4 and DDR5. It was a very similar, if I recall correctly, and you'll have to forgive me if I'm wrong about this, but it was, I believe this was a mobile platform. So they were talking about the challenges of doing Sodom DDR4, Sodom DDR5, LP of those versions and doing all of that on one IMC. They were like, yeah, this is like a super, super complicated and oh, thank goodness, we're not going to be doing it on the gen that follows.

35:56But I mean, hindsight's 2020,

35:59Luke Lafreniere:but maybe they should have kept it around as long as they could.

36:02Linus Sebastian:There's a lot of hindsight 2020 stuff going on right now where people are like kicking themselves for not buying more hardware earlier. I know like in a group chat that I have with some buddies, there was a little over a year ago, a lot of chatter about like, oh, I'm going to pre-buy a bunch of RAM and drives because the price is going up. I remember seeing that and I had the thought of like, I'm not going to engage with this because. Well, you've seen it before. I've seen it before. And then the cycle's always really short or it doesn't even happen. I don't need anything right now. So like, I'm just going to buy it to put it on a shelf and what's the point of that?

36:40Linus Sebastian:And then, you know, I think something like eight months later, both my hard drives went down and it was like, oh.

36:48Luke Lafreniere:Shout out Sean from the camera department for my birthday present, by the way. I'd offer you one, but I know you don't want one.

36:54Linus Sebastian:Dan, you're welcome though. The price for just those two drives, the delta between what they were and what I had to buy them at, could have bought a bunch of other hardware that I would have bought at the same time. That was a pretty good throw. That was a pretty good throw. That went right for one of his hands. That was crazy. That was awesome.

37:12Luke Lafreniere:Candy.

37:19Linus Sebastian:Sure. Well, right now I'm trying to get logged into Minecraft, but... What? Yeah. You're going to actually play Minecraft on the WAN show? Well, I just got logged into my account, so now I can download it, and then I can play it. And I was thinking if we could just put it in the corner.

37:38Luke Lafreniere:I mean, we could go full meme, and we could just put it down one of the sides. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Okay, sure. You know what? I support this endeavor. In the meantime, let's keep talking about Intel. Hold on. No, there was another aspect of that topic that I had wanted to follow up on. so this is also from i believe it was the same interview but it's from robert hallock again oh yeah here's his title vice president and general manager of the enthusiast channel business so big wig basically um he described the pc market right now as a tale of two kingdoms and what he kind of meant by that was that enthusiast and premium and this is something that we've talked about on the show before how i've been trying to reconcile how angry people are in the comments and how on reddit if you were if you were to read reddit and take it as gospel truth oh don't do that um but if if you were to do that you would get the impression that nobody's buying anything you know that everything is so overpriced that nobody's buying anything and to hear robert talk about it he basically goes yeah enthusiast and premium not that bad

38:47Linus Sebastian:sales actually fine this mirrors almost exactly what we've been saying for a long time of the house sales are going, top 10 % of earners making plus over 50 % of the purchases. I feel like the same thing is happening when the economy takes a hit. Sure, maybe those top 10 % of earners, maybe some of them, maybe the bottom 9 % of that top 10%, you know what I'm saying? The bottom 90 % of the top 10%, there we go, takes a hit in income, but they're still able to do, you know, fun purchases here and there. But when the bottom 90 % of people take a hidden income they can't just buy stuff like this yeah and so he was saying yeah

39:30Luke Lafreniere:low end and mainstream is really taking a beating but enthusiast and premium not so bad um and then he suggested and this i would be i would be very interested to see what this looks like going forward slash i think i have a pretty good idea of what this might look like going forward and I can't say that I'm a huge fan of it, but he suggests that going forward, there could be a more clear divide between mainstream and enthusiast platforms and not just at Intel, but across the industry. So there are a couple of ways that I could see this kind of playing out. Okay, actually three. I'm gonna go with my three and then maybe you can tell me what you think is sort of the most likely and I think I already know the answer, but I just don't wanna hear it right now.

40:18Luke Lafreniere:so one is we could bring back hdt right that's how it used to be for a long time we actually had a a socket split so post lga 775 on the intel side we got lga 1156 and that was your mainstream linfield chips and then we got lga 1366 which had an additional two memory channel one memory channel um and was available with up to 50 more core so you could get like a six core cpu on that platform although it was only at the very very high end so that was how it used to work and we had that split for actually several quite a few generations yeah yeah um 2011 and then the way that the way that that kind of integrated into the rest of intel's product portfolio was on the workstation slot side and even sometimes on the server side they would share that enthusiast socket but they would take away the like the overclocking bells and whistles and stuff like that because those platforms are more about stability um so that's one way that it could go is we could get hdt back i don't think that's going to happen one of the other ways that it could go is more along the lines of how we've seen developing markets over the years and i mean to a not insignificant degree the north american market over the right now like that very last topic we talked about where people are sticking with ddr4 platforms like remember remember how how how many days old were you when you found out that the sega genesis was like actively in production and you could like buy games for it for like two decades or something like that in south america yeah kind of wild so so the way that platforms would have a much much longer life cycle in emerging markets is kind of what we're seeing right now happen with platforms like AM4 and LGA 1700.

42:15Luke Lafreniere:And so I remember back when I was working at NCIX, you'd have motherboard brands like Biostar, who you'd look at their line sheet and you'd be like, why do you have a$30 motherboard that's this big? It has one memory slot on it and one PCI slot, one USB 2-header. It's like the most feature bear possible thing. Like who could possibly want this when for$1 more, I can get twice as many memory slots, all the PCIe slots. I have a VRM heat sink. Like the way that they would ruthlessly cost down this board. And the answer invariably was, well, it's for emerging markets where that dollar matters. Yeah.

42:56Luke Lafreniere:Every dollar matters. This person might've saved up for that for a very long time. So we're already seeing some of that. And I think that that's a more plausible one than us getting HEDT back. Number three is more like what we're seeing in the Chinese market, with more upcycling and more recycling. So like those funky Xeon combos, where you can get those old repurposed chipsets that have been soldered onto new motherboards, and they come with old engineering sample server chips. or you know a really popular one is harvested laptop cpus that have been put onto adapters so they can be installed in the socket or remanufactured onto desktop boards so that they have a pcie slot that you can put a gpu in um there was um more recently there was i think it was like a 40 series gpu that was starting to go a little bit viral that was a salvaged mobile gpu that was being remanufactured onto desktop boards that people were putting into desktop systems so So these are three paths.

44:00Luke Lafreniere:What do you think? Oh, and the last one. The last one. We get a new product segment that is super, super tightly integrated, not repairable at all, and is basically one board with everything soldered on it in order to keep costs as low as possible, but with very, you know, similar-ish performance to what we're getting with more expensive socketed solutions because removing all the sockets from a motherboard is like the quickest way to save a few bucks on it. Okay, where are we going?

44:37Linus Sebastian:Four paths. Yeah, the last one. Dang it, I knew that. I was gonna, honestly, if you gave me the first paths, I was just gonna say, I'm gonna go a different route and I think it's gonna be this other thing. And then -

44:47Luke Lafreniere:I had forgotten what my punchline was gonna be and then I remembered at the last second. Yeah. you know what's funny too is like i remember sitting in that bedroom doing the wan show back at the langley house and it being like round two or round three of rumors that intel is moving away from sockets on their next upcoming platform and us sitting there going oh it'll never happen integrated graphics will never be good enough and people will always want the choice and the

45:25Linus Sebastian:repairability and that i no longer believe that i've lost a lot more faith in people being able to boycott or yeah vote with their wallet not buy things that actively are against them uh because they don't seem to care at all like the general consumer doesn't seem to even sort of mind um So I've given up on that. You know, like microtransactions and pre-orders and subscribing to services for things like games where you could just buy it, etc., etc., etc. People are just more than happy to jump on those things. I mean, we're seeing the problem with physical games right now. Everyone's freaking out because physical games are going away, but it's very loud.

46:11Linus Sebastian:I doubt purchases for physical games are really increasing that much. i'm sure some people are because they want to hold them because they know they can resell them that's a completely separate thing but people actually buying physical games because they want to because they think it's neat i'm sure is not really increasing so like

46:34Linus Sebastian:yeah i feel like oh that's probably still good

46:42Linus Sebastian:um is that why they're here

46:47Linus Sebastian:i didn't notice them before the show before yeah maybe it's my lunch i don't know um yeah consumer readiness for this type of thing i think is a bit higher than normal right now and economic factors are always like the final bomb and realistically you can you can want to be as much as like a conscientious consumer as you want good intentions but it doesn't matter if

47:15Luke Lafreniere:you can't afford the thing so i don't know so pc market tale of two kingdoms and we're probably headed towards a mainstream platform that is far more integrated but unlike these very integrated platforms that we have today you know things like like laptops um it'll be instead of like highly binned you know mobile silicon uh that's optimized for performance and of course power efficiency uh we'll be just getting like cheaper silicon but that's just on very very integrated platforms so that they can bring the cost down is it would be the best prediction that i could make by best i mean like in terms of accuracy not in terms of a desirable outcome but hey here's something cool after years of work a project to 100 decompile golden eye 007 for nintendo 64 has been completed decompiling means reverse engineering the game's compiled code back into a form that could be understood modified and then rebuilt to run on different hardware without having to emulate the original n64 hardware that it ran on this completed decompiling opens the door for ports and mods with one report mentioning porting the game to dreamcast

48:45Luke Lafreniere:that is the most because i can energy thing that i've encountered today and i shadowboxed with a robot you shadow box with a robot I did why for an Instagram reel that Sammy wanted me to record did it hurt it was shadow boxing there was no contact you never know it could have hurt though yeah like they it wasn't a big one it was like it was like my height and equal size but they've got some weight to them like they're they're made of metal and stuff so yeah they if you get hit by

49:20Linus Sebastian:it could it could legitimately hurt um it's such a random dungeon okay our discussion question here

49:29Luke Lafreniere:where does the line between preserving an old game and changing it into something new get crossed and is that something that you feel is good or is it something that you feel is a problem in any way

49:42Linus Sebastian:i feel like we've had this conversation like a thousand times i i think goldeneye at this point is abandoned where is it not effectively there is the last time they did anything with golden

49:52Luke Lafreniere:eye officially i think it's stuck in in ip hell from from my understanding of it yeah okay so

49:58Linus Sebastian:maybe not the technical term of abandoned where because i think that is actually a technical term um but like they're not doing anything with it i don't think you can officially buy it for anything that realistically is modern that you can play it on so i don't care at all rip it apart Decompile it get it running on Dreamcast I guess Get it running on other stuff as well

50:19Luke Lafreniere:Would you play it? Would you play GoldenEye for PC? Going back to it I gotta say It's kind of rough It's really rough That's a game that didn't necessarily age super well I actually

50:34Linus Sebastian:As someone who loved GoldenEye to be very clear

50:36Luke Lafreniere:Me too I didn't own it I didn't have an N64, but I had a friend who had it. And when I would go over, like, I would have fun and I would, like, do the missions and stuff. And I went back and I tried to play it again. I think it must have been within the last year or so as part of, like, an emulation video or something. And I was like, the f*** is this? These are the worst controls I've ever seen. This is so unintuitive. This is so unnatural. I just didn't understand how to even use it. I couldn't hit anything. and like i remember like i actually can remember like shooting guys from far away in golden eyes so i don't so so if i could play the game on on keyboard and mouse like controllers that are not complete but i i think i'd be down like it had it had good vibes it was cool the music is obviously awesome and pierce brosnan underrated 007 underrated you think Yeah.

51:37Luke Lafreniere:Interesting. He gets some flack for being like too camp and like not serious enough. And honestly, I think that's a huge part of what made him awesome. And James Bond, it's been a while, but I think I must have been in my late teens or early 20s. I went through and I watched them all. and I pretty much came to love a little something about just about every Bond and I didn't even pick out Pierce Brosnan as a favorite until I just saw how much shit people talk about him and I was like, what are you talking about? That's so unfair.

52:18Linus Sebastian:I never knew this was a thing.

52:22Luke Lafreniere:I think he's awesome. I think he was a great 007.

52:27Linus Sebastian:I liked the modern 007 video game so much that I think if I was able to choose between a content DLC for that or playing Goldeneye but on PC, I think I'd rather play the content DLC for the new one. I mean, that's fair enough. It's a great game.

52:44Luke Lafreniere:This is an interesting fact. CaseWildcat says, more people have walked on the moon than Ben James Bond. Okay. That is quite the feather to put in your cap if your name is Sean Connery or Pierce Brosnan or Daniel Craig or whoever else. All right. That's it? That's very cool. Yeah. All right, it's time to do our CW announcements. And guys, this is an exciting one. We have nothing to launch today. Sorry. JK It's actually a huge launch Yeah I was gonna be like wait At any given time The CW team has I kid you not Anywhere from dozens to even hundreds Of SKUs in development That means we are constantly making room For the next wave of awesome stuff And we're gonna do that With the power outlet The power outlet do you wanna fire it up The power outlet gives us a way There you go click it click it, click it, click it.

53:53Luke Lafreniere:Last chance. Once it's gone, it's gone. The Power Outlet. This is a way to keep perfectly good products out of landfills while giving you guys some ridiculous good deals on products that you already know and love. You can think of the Power Outlet as your last chance to grab these products before they are gone, gone, gone. The plan is to add new items every month with prices that are going to make me question some of our business decisions. So check it out at lmg.gg Outlet and if you see something you want Don't wait because once it is gone It is gone for Dude a hoodie for 21 bucks These are Basically my understanding My understanding is that pricing will just Go down until things are gone So don't hesitate if you see a deal That you think is pretty good and please for the love Of all that is good load up a cart and maybe Put something full price in it too Because we are definitely not making money on that stuff.

54:48Luke Lafreniere:CW announcement number two. We have a big launch on the horizon. The Nuclear Driver is going live in just one week. We teased it at OpenSauce last month and we're almost ready to unleash it upon the general public. If you haven't signed up yet, do you want to show people how to do the thing? I think, yeah, right there. Bottom left of the website, do the thing and the discount works on Nuclear Driver or literally anything else you want to buy. So maybe sign up because you can get some discount.

55:16Linus Sebastian:I tried to I try to get Minecraft working. I think it's a no. Oh, really? Oh, what? What's wrong with Minecraft? Installing Minecraft is such an oddly difficult problem. Anything like first-party Microsoft is just harder than it needs to be, and I don't know why. Yeah. I downloaded it from the website. And it takes so long. That installer was like, no. It's hard and long. And it like throbbed a warning at me that was like, you have to update Windows for me to install. And I was like, okay, well, I'm not doing that during the show. So I went to the Microsoft Store and tried to install it that way.

55:56Linus Sebastian:And that worked, except when I tried to launch the game, it just errors. So I think I have to update Windows. But I can pretty much guarantee you...

56:05Luke Lafreniere:So it has some dysfunction, you might say?

56:07Linus Sebastian:Yeah. It can't launch. but I can pretty much guarantee you if I could install Steam just fine install some random game off there just fine it would work just fine

56:20Luke Lafreniere:maybe what we could do is until Microsoft cleans up their act we'll send them to a penile colony having performance anxiety oh right after I talked about the store I was supposed to explain comms so we don't do twitch bids or super chats instead we do checkout messages or comms. So if you're going to pick something up from the power outlet or hey, any of our, um, shoot, what'd we call the collection we launched last week? I forget, but okay. He's going with something from the power outlet. Fine. Just by discount. No, just by discount apparel. Don't buy anything at a price where we can actually make any money.

56:55Luke Lafreniere:That's fine. Who cares? Ah, foundation collection. There you go. So you can pick up something from the store. And while we're live, you will see this field to send a checkout message. That's right. If you're going to throw money at your screen we feel you should get high quality apparel and merchandise in return instead of just you know maybe somebody online noticing you so you fill this out pick whatever color you want decide if you want to be anonymous or show your first and last initial and then producer dan erectile dysfunction okay thank you for that will um reply to your message kind of like that reply that you guys saw up there or we'll just show a shout out or whatever else on screen or we'll curate your message for me and luke to respond to dan do you want to show them what a couple of curated ones looks like yeah we've got lots today lots of really good questions coming oh that actually makes sense because of the the because you guys are all deal hunters and you'd hate for us to be profitable on the store no they're just asking really good questions this week so thank you i'm just bugging them you know what when i when i say that when i'm just like hey can you guys please like pick up something else too actually a shocking amount of especially the WAN show viewers are like, okay, Linus.

58:11Luke Lafreniere:You guys are legitimately very supportive. We appreciate you. All right, go ahead, Dan. It looks like Tristan here did not spend a lot of money, but they're not on sale. Greetings, my parasocial friends. Need a replacement lids. Nice, okay. Two of the spouts. Any updates on the world's brightest TV? I need some light in my life during these dark times. I thought that was such a great video and such a great project. And it got like no views and it was so much work. And I shouldn't say it got no views, but it got very few views for the how much work it was ratio. And we shelved any follow ups to it.

58:49Luke Lafreniere:I am so sorry. It's actually pains me because I thought it was one of the coolest projects ever. and it just, for whatever reason, didn't resonate with a big chunk of the audience or didn't resonate with the algorithm or didn't, something caused it to not really perform very well for us. And one of our, what are they called? Core principles? Core values. One of our core values as a company is the audience is our guide. So when the audience tells us, hey, we're not interested in this, then we've got to pivot and we've got to find something that does excite the audience and that just wasn't it and it it really man it pains me when I see these kinds of comments because we've had a we've had a number of videos in the last well ever actually it happens all the time where it'll be getting like no views and I'll see someone's comment that's like I really like this and I'll just I'll reply I'll just I'll be in a mood and I'll reply I'll be like okay share it with all your friends then because otherwise we're not going to be able to do anything like this anymore because nobody's watching it not that not that share is even like a significant portion of youtube viewership anymore it's all algorithmic which just depresses me it drives me nuts man how little of it is like true virality anymore it's just algorithmic viral oh my god this is what he's busy doing he's playing minecraft in a browser because of course he is Conrad linked it to me.

1:00:16Luke Lafreniere:What about Madonna?

1:00:18Linus Sebastian:Playing Minecraft without a mouse sucks. How do I even... Oh, wow. You don't even have to hold click. You can just click once. Oh, he's going to have a mouse for me. Nice.

1:00:32Luke Lafreniere:Can I interest you in a Super Strike Pro X2?

1:00:34Linus Sebastian:This is so unbalanced.

1:00:36Luke Lafreniere:We're gaming. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, dongle's in there. Yeah, I guess. All right, I gotcha. I gotcha. Thank you. Incredible.

1:00:53Luke Lafreniere:I also have this classic SteelSeries mouse pad that has been in my backpack for over 10 years. But it's awesome. It's... Because it's hard. Well, it's something now.

1:01:06Linus Sebastian:It might be damaged at this point, but it's a cool thing.

1:01:08Luke Lafreniere:And it never tracked that great because it's a little bit too glossy. But I assume it'll track better than this D-Brand skin. Is that my problem?

1:01:16Linus Sebastian:It's just not tracking at all? There you go, brother. No, that's not my problem.

1:01:19Luke Lafreniere:Oh, well, is the mouse off?

1:01:21Linus Sebastian:Is blue not... Is my mouse not charged? I think it's not. I think you left it on in your bag.

1:01:30Luke Lafreniere:You know, you'd think it would have a safeguard for that.

1:01:33Linus Sebastian:That would be kind of nice.

1:01:36Luke Lafreniere:Shoot, I don't know if I have...

1:01:39Linus Sebastian:I have one. I could steal the laptop. I have a wall power. Yeah, I could use the laptop's power. You know what I have?

1:01:48Luke Lafreniere:I have the prototype LTT power bank.

1:01:52Linus Sebastian:Oh, and an LTT cable, too, I'm assuming?

1:01:57Luke Lafreniere:And this heavy TruSpec cable that I would never actually recommend for mousing purposes. Oh, I had to do that for a little while, and it was not fun. Yeah, it's not actually the best. Oh, wow, this is terrible. Yeah, but it should charge real quick. Part of the problem is that it was on top of the other cables, Dan. Oh my gosh. So it was lifting up the front of the mouse. Okay, how you doing? How you doing over there? This kind of sucks. Are we back in action?

1:02:25Linus Sebastian:Wait, wait, what's happening? Wait, what? Did you just respawn somewhere else? Yeah, I think if I press R, I just respawn. Oh, okay. Well, that makes sense. But it's stuck like placing things down. Terrific. I'm going to have to learn how to Minecraft.

1:02:42Luke Lafreniere:no better time how about another one for you all right hit me dan sure gentlemen it is with great disappointment that i announced that my employer has decided to switch from webex to teams i have

1:02:53Linus Sebastian:never used teams what can i expect also i love the true spec cable i would normally feel super

1:02:59Luke Lafreniere:bad for you but you're switching from webex yeah that's fair enough i mean what the hell is webex

1:03:05Linus Sebastian:does cisco still own it this is my first real job last i messed with it cisco still owned it i i don't think i've seen anybody send me a webex link in probably since covid as as as microsoft team's number one hater you might have just got an upgrade ah i don't know i webex was really

1:03:29Luke Lafreniere:annoying what happened to zoom speaking of covid do they still exist pretty much every invite i get now is for google or microsoft and that's it like do people still use zoom anybody i haven't

1:03:46Linus Sebastian:heard of zoom zoom is still pretty big yeah with who though that is interesting yeah i haven't

1:03:52Luke Lafreniere:received a zoom invite in forever like is this just one of those things where like the entire construction industry or like the entire medical industry you know uses it or something like that like you know how you'll you'll end up with these little pockets where you know a couple of people like us who work mostly with tech companies it's all like teams g suite yes the only thing that exists is slack teams and g suite and also whenever i chat with people personally it's it's always on discord doesn't everybody use discord and people like no like i talked to other parents at the school and they're like what's a discord oh that's something my kids use like it's not like it's not it's not a platform for adults in the real world that i have encountered both my parents are on discord but hell yeah they live in your weird pocket though is what i is what i'm trying to say right so maybe yeah maybe webex is still huge in the uh you know scientific community i i i don't know um super miller says zoom is still really useful these days if you have participants outside of your org okay that's fair enough um emerging markets fascinating we switched from teams to zoom for meetings okay yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of teams to zoom for meeting zoom is big in design engineering their government platform is cheap for startups fascinating yeah there you go oh churches my church meets on zoom okay says andre b telehealth uses it yeah there

1:05:27Linus Sebastian:you go i mean so right i think one of the things that they're good at one of the things that they're good at is the like huge amounts of clients connected at once yeah so churches i could understand makes a ton of sense telehealth i i would have expected that to be teams to be honest

1:05:43Luke Lafreniere:It's really quick and easy to join. Their web thing, I think Teams' web client is really good now. It wasn't for a long time. It wasn't for a long time. And Zoom's was just click and yes, my microphone, yes, my camera. Okay, you're good to go.

1:06:03Linus Sebastian:That was the biggest advantage I think Zoom had over WebEx. Yeah, because WebEx is annoying. You had to install local software every time. I don't think you have to do that with Zoom. No. Yeah. You can, and it's a better experience, but you don't have to. Yeah. Court cases in the U.S. use Zoom. Okay, so Zoom is still around, but WebEx is, like, gotta be dying. I used to get WebEx invites all the time, and I don't think I've seen it in years. I remember that being, like, a thing, though. Every time I would be on a new computer for whatever reason, it would be like, oh, man. first time i get invited to a webex call time to be slightly late time to be yeah time to be two

1:06:45Luke Lafreniere:minutes late 100 sk hynix is apparently just plum out of replacement ssds for warranties so they are giving some of their warranty customers refunds instead which i mean would be fine if what we were talking about was like a no lemons policy for a car or something like that but that isn't what we're talking about we're talking about sk hynix saying that the refund will be the lower value between the purchase price and the product's current fair market value that's pretty rough given the way that ssd prices have skyrocketed it's going to be the purchase price so depending on when you bought your ssd you might not get enough money back to buy anything today oh this is wonderful our notes probably won't line is comment pretty crummy so here's here's the conversation that i wanted to have around this because obviously they were able to build a flash drive for the cost that they originally sold that one for at some point, right?

1:08:00Luke Lafreniere:Like the actual materials cost at some point was such that they could make that drive and sell it at that price. Now, that's not the way that commodities are priced. Commodities are priced according to the market and DRAM, NAND, and it's kind of a funny thing because it kind of feels like they shouldn't be. There's only like a handful of companies that make both of them in the world and yet we treat them like, you know, ores that you can just pull out of the ground. But they trade like commodities, and so they're priced like commodities. So on the one hand, obviously, they can make this at a price that they could give it to the customer.

1:08:40Luke Lafreniere:On the other hand, the customer is kind of asking for a thing that costs way, way, way more to replace their thing that costs way, way, way less. And from a evil corporate standpoint, they could go, well, you know, how could we possibly justify that? I'm trying to understand other than that, other than the just like, because I don't want to, is there any justification that you can imagine for this? Like, well, I'll just give you a refund because like, I can tell you LTT store has in some cases offered people a refund because it was not feasible for some reason or another to replace it like if we were completely out of stock for instance or we might offer a similar product if they reject it we might give them that case i think it's got to be similar product so then how much would an ssd have to be worth for you to say okay sk hynix you're off the hook that is impossible for you guys to justify from a business standpoint what if an ssd was worth a hundred times today like what if okay how about this okay here forget the forget the warranty gets to be based on let's go at it from a different angle could they justify it if they already no i there's no there's no justification if i bought a thing yeah and i have a warranty on

1:10:02Linus Sebastian:it and you want to honor your warranty you have to give me the thing because i was going to say

1:10:06Luke Lafreniere:okay well what acceptable equivalent what if they had already sold all of them for 2027 which they allegedly have but then they should retain some for warranty coverage like there's just there's just no way there's no justification other than fuck you i don't want to

1:10:22Linus Sebastian:yeah for not fulfilling a warranty claim and like their their employees are making way more now and stuff like that but their employees are making way more as far as my understanding goes because it's based on like a profit agreement thing yeah so this isn't it's not like oh god we can't pay pay our employees now. That can't be your argument because by the way, your water is infested by flies at this point. Go in.

1:10:53Oh yeah.

1:10:54Linus Sebastian:I almost should have just closed it on. No, that's yuckier. So yeah, I mean, I don't, we've talked before about like a warranty is basically only as strong as a company's desire to enforce it. but like these are big long-term companies that probably do still care about their reputation in that regard no it really doesn't seem like it yeah it was nice of you to are these consumer clients yeah so that makes sense burn them i guess yikes yeah the way of micron i feel extremely

1:11:28Luke Lafreniere:validated though why because i because i called this years ago i was the whole warranties are only as good as a company's willingness to uphold them a written warranty if you actually read it is just a legal document that says we don't actually have to do anything we could and here are the terms of sort of generally how we might it's also like an in english form of like we look

1:11:53Linus Sebastian:like complete pieces of i can't press the button easily right now poo poo from bum bum yeah poo poo from but we look like complete pieces of poo poo from bum bum if we don't follow this thing up and it's like an automatic in writing reputation ruiner for most companies. So it's still something for them to hold over you, even if you don't technically have to enforce it.

1:12:13Luke Lafreniere:I mean, there are places where that's not true. My understanding is that Australia actually has a court system that enforces companies' obligation towards consumers. But on the continent that we're on, for the most part, if a company is just like no there's not really a ton that you can do without going to way more work than it probably is worth and it's it's a really frustrating thing and it really sucks um but i don't really have i don't really have a great solution to this like what are you supposed to do just don't buy an sk hynix ssd next time i mean i guess so but how many times i they're not

1:13:05Linus Sebastian:the only ones that have been doing this it's also unlikely the market is so small uh what do they call it where it's like an effective monopoly because there's like two companies and they're super cohorts de facto monopoly oligopoly oligopoly is just a monopoly that's more than one

1:13:22Luke Lafreniere:so you got your monopoly your duopoly your um i don't know if there's a triopoly but oligopoly would just be multiple um like multiple entities technically but they behave in an anti-consumer

1:13:38Linus Sebastian:antitrust fashion like isn't that what the wan show has been doing it's not the way yes yes we

1:13:43Luke Lafreniere:are part of the tech podcast oligopoly i i controlling the rates of podcast sponsorships

1:13:49Linus Sebastian:I got that stuck in my head because I'm trying to write I'm really bad at this but I'm trying to write wan in Stone on you are bad at it. Yeah, that's trash. Yeah good effort though. No

1:14:03Linus Sebastian:Anyways Hasn't that been true about Ram for for like ever they're all in Courts with each other they price fixing and they have been caught

1:14:13Luke Lafreniere:A lot of fun stuff? Yeah, yeah. Oh, no. The Ram cartel has behaved like an oligopoly at multiple points in the past. Yes. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's just, it's more than, because mono means one. And then duopoly, right, is two for do, die. And then olig, whatever, it means multiple. Many, yeah, sure. So that's why they're oligarchs, oligopolies. Many garks. Yeah. Instead of a monarch, oligarch. Oh, yeah, okay.

1:14:45Linus Sebastian:Okay. We got the G at the end is part of the plural word Yes, I guess so yeah

1:14:51Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, yep yep yep yep yep Interesting yeah, so SK Hynix I I my discussion question for this was like is there any Justification other than you I don't wanna that that we could come up with and I just don't think I can find a single parallel it's just plain f*** you I don't want to.

1:15:11Linus Sebastian:I wouldn't be surprised if their supplier prices have gone up a bit oh no doubt they have 100 % they have. But you can also look at their profit and just understand that it doesn't really matter that much and that they could definitely afford to give you an SSD very easily yeah like with no problem whatsoever yes so therefore I don't care

1:15:30Luke Lafreniere:but then you know it comes back to what are you supposed to do like not buy from them next time I mean Micron's fine enough with that they pulled completely out of the consumer market altogether like yeah Well, whatever. Why don't we jump into our next topic here. Seasonic has reached a new level of efficiency that I had never heard of. The Prime Enterprise RX 1600 power supply is the first to reach 80 plus Ruby. Why is it? When did Ruby become higher than Platinum and Titanium? I think when... What happened with this? I think Win80 Plus needed another thing. But here's the thing that I find very confusing.

1:16:13Luke Lafreniere:Ruby is not a metal. See, we have the same issue with YouTube play buttons, okay? We got the silver play button, the gold play button, the diamond play button, where it's like, okay, f*** it, no more metal. You know, there are metals that...

1:16:25Linus Sebastian:You know where they probably got the idea for that from?

1:16:26Luke Lafreniere:There are metals that cost more than gold. Minecraft. Oh. No. Diamond? And then Ruby. You know that PewDiePie got the Ruby one back in the day, right?

1:16:41Linus Sebastian:I think there's more Ruby ones now.

1:16:42Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There are. Is it really? Yeah, like, Raiden 428 says 80 plus uranium. Yeah, like, why didn't we? Okay, maybe nobody would want uranium branding on their power subs.

1:16:58Linus Sebastian:I think that would raise a lot of questions. Thank you for that, Dan.

1:17:04Luke Lafreniere:Your a-hole is not big enough.

1:17:09Linus Sebastian:I needed a bigger A-hole. It just looks like an M. Yeah, or three legs, depending on what you're trying to make here.

1:17:24Linus Sebastian:I could make it taller, maybe, but I didn't necessarily want to... I could also peak the middle.

1:17:30Luke Lafreniere:Anyway, this certification not only increases the efficiency requirement at 50 % load, but also extends the efficiency targets all the way down to 85 % at a 5 % load. That is crazy, but also very important because a 1600 watt system, like if it was actually consuming all the power that that power supply could provide, would very often only be drawing like, I don't know, 75, 100 watts if it was idle. So if it's operating extremely inefficiently at very low loads, and you can actually end up wasting more power that way than by just buying a more sensibly sized power supply in the first place. Anyway, very cool.

1:18:13Luke Lafreniere:Congratulations, Seasonic. And moving on. Can I help you? This is like... Dude, I've played Minecraft like twice. I think I could do this better than you. This is sad. Yeah, I don't know what's going on, to be honest. Yeah. This is bad. yeah that if we didn't tell the people what it was i don't think they would know i think as of

1:18:38Linus Sebastian:right now you can't figure it out it's a turtle throwing up it's uh

1:18:53Linus Sebastian:it kind of looks like it too especially if i do this yeah Projectile Kind of looks like an Ogopogo Someone said use stairs The problem is it's stuck in like admin mode Or something or creative mode I don't know how to nod

1:19:11Luke Lafreniere:If you double tap space then you can probably fly around

1:19:14Linus Sebastian:Oh wow you can't even do that No so I can't fly but I also only have these As my building options Press E

1:19:21Luke Lafreniere:Yeah I really don't know if that's your issue Luke Because you can put down as many blocks as you want and that's how you put them down. Yeah. Playing Minecraft. It's a turtle puking. Remember that Minecraft is a core part of the show today just to prove my YouTube rep wrong. Or right. How's that going so far, by the way, Dan? I have not been watching any of the viewer stats. It's Minecraft Classic. Creative is the only mode. 5400 concurrent. Okay, so basically exactly the same as a normal week then. What the... Okay. They were wrong. Yeah. I know. I know. What is happening? What am I witnessing right now?

1:19:58Linus Sebastian:I'm so surprised. What is this? Can I just eject Steve's? What just happened? Is there another one? I can just create Steve's. Oh, look, it's Herobrine in the flesh. Watch, we need more Wancho viewers.

1:20:15There.

1:20:16Linus Sebastian:Look at all the Wancho viewers.

1:20:18Luke Lafreniere:Whoa, they've got no neck.

1:20:21Linus Sebastian:Why do they have no neck? What are they doing? Why can they not scream? They're best. They're fast! They're here to fix the WAN.

1:20:38Linus Sebastian:Yeah, so... This is great content, everybody. Yeah, this is peak.

1:20:42Luke Lafreniere:I feel like we should probably move on. Viewership has not stopped going up, though. PJM Interconnection, the power grid operator for people across 13 states and Washington, D.C., says it needs about 6.8 gigawatts more guaranteed power capacity to have the safety cushion that it wants for periods of extreme demand. It is proposing, and this is great, to cut power to big data centers first during emergencies rather than risk broader outages. New facilities over 50 megawatts could face early shutoffs unless they provide their own power generation, which puts the burden of AI's power appetite on data center operators themselves.

1:21:24Luke Lafreniere:This is the kind of common sense, hey, I know that the way that we did it in the past was that data centers were treated like critical infrastructure and would be like literally every data center tour that I've done, like with someone like Equinix, for instance. every time i talk about the diesel backups they say just unprompted they say how long they can run on diesel backup and they talk about how in the event that the there is an extended power outage how they are on the same tier as like hospitals for getting resupplied with more diesel fuel because of how essential cloud services and internet connectivity are to things like

1:22:10Linus Sebastian:emergency responders they might literally be like we just talked about how the hospital might be using uh zoom or whatever for their calls like they they do lean on these types of services there

1:22:19Luke Lafreniere:are there are actual life and death consequences of losing power to a data center that is if the data center is running critical infrastructure but if it's running a vanity project so that one billionaire can boast to another billionaire that they have far more gpus megawatts deployed than the other billionaire then that started that feels a little less important than say a hospital so it's really nice to see that finally we're i might counter slightly okay this is going to be

1:22:55Linus Sebastian:unpopular saying in a way that i necessarily agree with but we do know that like if you're looking at a nation and how a nation might want to prioritize things the u.s government is very open about their use of ai for the military and if you look at how the u.s prioritizes spending on things uh i feel like they'd be pretty down to prop up a data center that might be hosting

1:23:20Luke Lafreniere:ai tools for the military sure i think that's fair enough some ai stuff probably is running essential infrastructure that are essential to national security or you know whatever right

1:23:33Linus Sebastian:there's a there's a lot of youtube that came out recently saying that 95 of and i don't know how they even know this so this feels like an incorrect you know made up stat thing just like most stats but 95 of creators are using generative ai somewhere in their creative process there's uh apparently over 35 of new websites being published right now are just straight vibe coded um i skimmed that article so i it might be that there was ai used in the creation of those websites um instead of them being straight vibe coded but it was something to do with 35 there um 13 no i'm pretty

1:24:12Luke Lafreniere:sure it's 35 so i might be reading different things so a lot of ai stuff is probably actually essential but a lot of it seems to be powering things like what i just sent to dan

1:24:27Luke Lafreniere:Okay, they should all be clear. Yep, they should be good to go. This is the kind of thing that just makes me completely lose hope, who lose any hope that big tech can ever follow through on the promised future that they keep promising us is now. I bring this up all the freaking time because it just grinds my gears to see them promise stuff that is just clearly so far away in the future from actually working properly. Remember the one, you know, the Google keynote where they were like, and now - You're gonna book an appointment or whatever. It'll book an appointment for you and it'll just put it on your calendar and then you'll just get a notification when it's time to go.

1:25:13Luke Lafreniere:They still can't handle with 100 % reliability setting a stupid timer or alarm and this is still a pro - Thanks to f***ing you, or same to you, as if it's a...

1:25:34Luke Lafreniere:Happy birthday? These are my auto responses. This is across multiple platforms, owned by Meta and Google. Brian, electrician. Thanks. Thanks, without an exclamation. And happy birthday. Why would I be respon - There's a 1 in 365 chance You know, I bet you That happy birthday is an appropriate response

1:26:01Linus Sebastian:To somebody who wishes you Happy birthday Do you think it might be because it's trained on like group chats? Oh Interesting I'm trying to figure out like why it would do that

1:26:14Luke Lafreniere:But where's the human sanity check?

1:26:17Linus Sebastian:Oh, there just probably isn't one I just

1:26:21Luke Lafreniere:But like where's the part where a google exec is like oh hey that's probably not right i should send a quick ping to the team that works on this how has this been a pro this has been oh my god at zim it has been a problem long enough that there's an entire wikipedia article for it wait what oh yeah no no no no this is a completely different thing completely get that out of here yeah yeah okay but this has been a problem for long enough that people have been memeing on this for years how has nobody just gone hey um claude code fix it it just shows me that they're just they're constant and it's this pattern we see they're constantly moving from whatever shiny thing is next to the shiny thing that is after it and they never finish the shiny thing that is supposed to be done and polished these auto replies still give just obviously stupid broken suggestions that make no sense because there's the incentives are not correct for actually finishing anything luke that's that is my ted talk thank you for coming to it

1:27:45Linus Sebastian:yeah i mean i think it's fair i also think they must have somebody on the inside figuring out that auto responses will not sell phones um but having a really really great experience with my

1:27:58Luke Lafreniere:phone might prompt me to buy another one in but that might be a difficult thing to measure

1:28:02Linus Sebastian:and if it doesn't show up in some sheet somewhere then it just might not matter

1:28:10Luke Lafreniere:that's my guess uh etzim says the birthday paradox is the counterintuitive fact that only 23 people are needed for the probability of it to be greater than 50 percent that two of them have the same birthday i guess well yeah but that's just complete it's a slightly different thing because i am only one of the 23 people um and so the odds are different of one of those people having the same birthday as me. It's the odds of one of them having the same birthday as each other. So it's definitely a slim chance if someone says happy birthday to me that it is an appropriate response for me to say happy birthday back to them.

1:28:51Luke Lafreniere:It is, it is, it is, if 23 people messaged me, it would not be a 50 % shot that I'm going to get it right on one of them. All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were explaining the Wikipedia article because they were the one that sent it but it's just it's a different it's a different thing i get it um okay okay yes there's leap days anywho love to see a little bit of common sense coming back into this um our discussion question should ai companies be expected to invest in new local power infrastructure before they are allowed to build large data centers honestly like yeah at the scale at which they're building i don't really understand why why they shouldn't be i mean it's not like there's no precedent for it i know that some uh crypto mining operations there was one in bc that actually like bought an old hydroelectric dam yeah and that was where they set up their operation and that was like the only way they were able to get enough powers and that's that's happened a

1:29:52Linus Sebastian:bunch with crypto mining which like the spirit of crypto mining is very very alive in this like current AI data center landscape, including there are some crypto miners flipping over to renting out their mining rigs as AI inference rigs. Like it's actually happening. It is a little bit different because before you would just put your compute into like a pool or people could rent your compute for like really any amount of time. And if your service went down, like who cares? Now it actually kind of needs to stay up. so there's like it's more there's more infrastructure going into being able to actually promise that your stuff will stay online and reputation of different hosts and blah blah blah blah but it's the same type of thing that's happening which is interesting it's harder to get into it's more complicated it's more reputation based it costs more but it's the same kind of deal remember when that little tiny data center property

1:30:53Luke Lafreniere:in like White Rock came up and I was like Luke I should buy it. It's like really small but like whatever.

1:30:58Linus Sebastian:Data centers, they're the future. It seemed so silly back then. And we could put our ISP there now. You'd be styling if you had it now.

1:31:09Luke Lafreniere:I went and bought a badminton club. Some idiot. But hey, I couldn't go play badminton at my AI data center tonight so you know what? I'm actually okay with it. Alright, we should probably jump into our sponsors. The show is brought to you today by Squarespace. Have you ever seen all those cars backed up on the 405 and thought to yourself, gee, I wish I could have lineups like that for my business. Well, wonderful news. Our sponsor, Squarespace, can help you build a website that brings your business the traffic it deserves. And it's easy to use. They do the hard work for you. You don't need to know how to code.

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1:33:00Luke Lafreniere:The show is also brought to you by MSI. Me oh my, it's so hot in here. I sure do wish somebody would invent something that could keep me cool under pressure and extreme workloads in this hot, hot heat. Okay. That's exactly what your computer would be saying if it had never heard of our sponsor, MSI. But now that it knows about the Meg CoreLiquid E15 360, it can chill in luxury. This liquid cooler has a 6.67-inch 2K curved AMOLED display that can show you system info like temperatures and fan speeds or custom images and videos. It can even act as an itty-bitty extra monitor. And not only is it shiny and golden, but the fans are pre-installed and the screen, fans, RGB, and pump all connect with a single MSI EZCON cable.

1:33:47Luke Lafreniere:And if you're worried you won't be able to hear Nelly's 2002 seminal masterpiece hot in here over the fans, fear not. The fans use laminar focus, meaning the center fan spins in reverse to minimize turbulence and sound. The aluminum build is meant to last and MSI backs everything up with a six-year warranty as well as a full two-year warranty for the display. So grab your Meg CoreLiquid E15360 with our link down below. now for our float plane announcements it's linus week do we really need a linus week our first themed week this year wrapped up last night with a gaming live stream hosted by yours truly where we discussed upcoming products status on certain things um and the future of my loftless scaling braithers but that's not the only things we have up on float plane right now we also have the Linus Media Group rebranding reaction and set up video.

1:34:43Luke Lafreniere:Oh, I'm supposed to click the link. Mm-hmm. Hold on, I'm working on it. Can I help you, Luke?

1:34:49Linus Sebastian:I am working.

1:34:50Luke Lafreniere:Mm-hmm. Luke, are you not able to rotate a cow in your mind?

1:34:57Luke Lafreniere:I'm concerned. Oh, don't worry about it. I'm concerned that it's empty in there. So there's the vlog where they rebranded the building. That's in here. We also have my friends roast me for my birthday. And then also the live stream VOD. So those are all the things from Linus Week. What else do we have? And if you're subscribed to Floatplane by the end of the week, oh, cool, you can grab this exclusive Linus Week badge made by Victor from the design team. Oh, look at that. That's cute. I love it. Terrific. Thank you for that, Victor. We also made it into a shirt in collaboration with Ashley, who's also on the design team, and this is actually amazing.

1:35:39want to see the shirt ashley made me hold on it's linked to the time stamp oh it's not linked to the time stamp dang it sammy i blame sammy uh when did i change my shirt here

1:35:54Luke Lafreniere:hold on wait for it wait for it wait for it wait for it wait for it wait for it wait for it wait for it wait for it wow it was a long stream there it is so it has that on the back and then it just says oh did i ever actually stand up and show the front classic yeah i held it up earlier

1:36:14Linus Sebastian:there it is i love i love that i'm 40 i love the the linus face i kind of wish we had a shirt that was just that why we don't need that why that face i think it would be really

1:36:25Luke Lafreniere:is it a reference to something what why am i not online enough dan you are definitely online enough anyway while you're watching some of the amazing me themed videos uh let's do a couple of early releases oh these are good videos we put the newest cpu in the oldest motherboard we put a current cpu in a 10 year old motherboard and then compared it to well what if you put it in like the current motherboard for it just to see if there is actually a disadvantage to running an am4 chip on like a first generation AM4 board, or if the promises of long-term platform support actually held true. Really, really cool video.

1:37:09Luke Lafreniere:I'm gonna go ahead and set that public right now. And then we've got another one to post for early access on Floatplane. Custom water cooling for less than the price of a premium AIO. Okay, this was cool. this cost me less than this rog aio whoa with this block for the g for gpu cooling as well i got a reservoir pump radiator hardline tubing fittings cpu block and gpu block and based on

1:37:42Linus Sebastian:the way that your tone is right now i'm assuming that it wasn't even like horrible hardware

1:37:49Luke Lafreniere:no okay but it did take a lot longer and was a lot more difficult than the beginner level of it would seem would have seemed to indicate okay it was a pretty advanced build got it yeah are you just about done with whatever this is i'm so far away what i gotta hold on i gotta

1:38:14Linus Sebastian:I'm dealing with limited resources here, okay? Like brain resources?

1:38:18Luke Lafreniere:Because you can only spend so much time playing this game while also attempting to appear to even be trying to help host a show? Where are we at here?

1:38:28Linus Sebastian:That's part of it. I need to fill up this area with red. And the only red that I have are these, I think they're supposed to be mushrooms. So I was like, okay, well, I'll try to put mushrooms in there, I guess. and then I didn't have like a what the heck yeah they all just disappeared for some reason yeah it's totally stable oh they can't grow on stone right okay well I'll figure that out but this is the closest I can get to white so the sand is just supposed to be white then I was gonna make this area red and then I was gonna make let's see here I was going to try to make this area up here Like a light grey And then this area that isn't built yet Like a darker grey

1:39:20Luke Lafreniere:Oh I see But none of the colours work So you're trying to make a Wansho logo I mean we have one of those It's right here Yeah I'm trying to make another one Right Unk

1:39:32Linus Sebastian:Okay Maybe But I guess you can't grow mushrooms on stone So now I have to undo all of the stone

1:39:40Luke Lafreniere:right uh we we okay well dan tell me this at least like is this working like are is there more views because minecraft uh the number has not stopped going up yeah really which is it's not it's not quite as you know elon as last time but it is not quite as elon stonks i assume yeah I can go up with the hand okay and he's gone now he's back that's pretty funny that's what I call it now because it was really 45 degrees last time

1:40:14Linus Sebastian:that's sort of starting to you know peter off so 45 degrees is just now Elon

1:40:20Luke Lafreniere:I call it Eloning which is basically stonks

1:40:22Linus Sebastian:right yeah or well the other thing

1:40:25Luke Lafreniere:because you can't you can't like do the motion that's not allowed Yeah, I think I just won't. I actually would be more comfortable if I just didn't do that motion. Yeah, so... I have been known to use the hard R from time to time, which of course... Well, I mean, family guy all the time. Just like they did. Yeah. For those who don't, do not get the reference, just in case there's any who don't, not that. I thought it meant a word for differently abled in a mental capacity. I didn't know what it meant. Okay, that's all. that's all i have to say about that okay cool see you later producer cam bye uh why don't we jump right into ubuntu this blew my mind and i do need luke to pay attention for a minute here i don't i didn't understand this from the title canonical vp of engineering john seager told the pragmatic engineer back in april that in a year our growth on wsl or that growth in wsl numbers so that's like like linux on windows is significantly higher than the growth in desktop usage numbers and he expects ubuntu wsl users to outnumber native linux users within months

1:41:45Linus Sebastian:but what okay so linux on windows so that's windows subsystem for linux

1:41:50Luke Lafreniere:oh a microsoft feature that lets you install a real ubuntu environment inside windows and then use it through the terminal app without dual booting or setting up a virtual machine so this growth seems to be mostly attributed to developers who were handed windows laptops by their employers and then run ubuntu through wsl for ai and machine learning work so windows ends up acting mostly as a launcher that makes sense because i've heard very recently that there's a

1:42:18Linus Sebastian:lot of developers switching to linux uh because it's running ai workloads better especially when it has to deal with your like file systems and other things like that um

1:42:31as someone who's never used wsl though me neither okay i don't fully understand how ubuntu pilled

1:42:38Luke Lafreniere:my laptop is once I've done that. I wish I could.

1:42:44Linus Sebastian:I have no idea.

1:42:45Luke Lafreniere:Okay, in that case, that's something that I'm just going to have to maybe look up on my own time or maybe if chat wants to wants to jump in here. Is it CLI?

1:42:54Linus Sebastian:Does that just mean like is it basically emulated? WSL is very sad. So you can run like

1:43:02Luke Lafreniere:Docker and Kubernetes? Okay. it's kind of like a container it's not the gui though it's just the command line

1:43:16yeah people like it's basically a vm but not quite yes it's a vm under the hood hyper v okay

1:43:23Luke Lafreniere:so that makes sense to me now we're speaking a language that i understand okay so it's command

1:43:27Linus Sebastian:line ubuntu sure sweet that sounds cool so there's like a crazy increasing command line ubuntu and i think your theory would make sense of people with like work laptops where they can't necessarily

1:43:40Luke Lafreniere:just swap the operating oh yeah that's not my theory oh yeah that's not my theory yeah yeah

1:43:44Linus Sebastian:so uh yeah do you want to do you want to make my minecraft go away and i can try to install this try to install what uh ubuntu cli i mean yeah sure apparently that's what luke is doing on the show

1:44:02Luke Lafreniere:today um framework is finally fixing framework finally fixing firmware fail right jordan thank you for the alliteration and the title for this one investment disclosure hey convenient do you actually like that shirt i've seen you wearing it i think a couple times now uh it doesn't really seem like your style and i was surprised to see you choose it it was clean okay just say you like it classic luke wow okay it doesn't matter i'll wear any garbage the point is no i mean it's not

1:44:33Linus Sebastian:my it's not my favorite format of shirt he's right that's more my preferred format of shirt i actually

1:44:36Luke Lafreniere:really like that shirt yeah okay yeah after our recent wan discussion on the linolo legion go devices that were bricked by bios updates viewers reached out to tell us about a similar issue that happened with Framework's 13-inch AMD 7040 series laptop. Framework's newsletter recommended updating to the latest BIOS, but some of those updates failed for some users bricking their devices. If users were out of warranty, the only solution that was offered by support was to buy a new motherboard. At least one user took matters into their own hands, managing to reflash the BIOS on their own with external programming tools, and they wrote up an in-depth account of the process that they posted to the subreddit.

1:45:15Luke Lafreniere:I actually reached out to Nirav to get the inside scoop he confirmed the issue but did say that it took some time for them to identify this trend that these brickings were being caused by the BIOS updates and not by some user error or other due to the relatively small number of impacted users he then went on to lay out the actions and this is way more important that Framework is taking to address the problems so their RMA policies have been updated to account for failed BIOS updates that's cool framework will offer free swaps for impacted customers regardless of their warranty status that is as long as they can confirm that the issue is a failed update to a stable release bios not an alpha or beta one and then they're implementing a crisis recovery mode to make updates unbrickable it's also available on the desktop bios and we'll be rolling out for other products one at a time framework is in the process of actively reviewing past support cases to identify earlier instances of the issue to make sure that retroactively people are properly supported so they've fixed the policy going forward they're working on the crisis recovery mode and they're going back through their support cases um to find people that were impacted before they made the process update so that is pretty good investment disclosure ended um our discussion question how do you think framework did here and is there a better way for companies to identify and act on emerging issues.

1:46:40I mean, man, you're never going to get it right 100 % of the time.

1:46:47Luke Lafreniere:Like, even though our customer service team pretty much has a standing, like, do the right thing order. Occasionally, you know, their judgment is not exactly what I would do or what I would consider to be the right thing. And occasionally, you do legitimately have customers that are not acting in good faith and are just trying to abuse your lenient warranty policy in order to get free stuff. And threading that needle is not easy. And you're going to get it wrong sometimes. Overall, I'm not super impressed that they wanted people to buy a new thing that was bricked by someone following their instructions.

1:47:29Luke Lafreniere:But I am happy to see that they are taking accountability for it and they're moving forward rather than just offering them a refund for what that was worth back when RAM was cheap. You know what I'm saying? So generally speaking, Framework has upheld the values that I've expected from them and this seems to be a good example of them generally, mostly kind of figuring it out. I hope they continue to do so because they really are investment disclosure a breath of fresh air in an otherwise constantly in

1:48:03Linus Sebastian:tech industry i was fighting with threat locker during that but yeah in general like you just you can the whole idea that it's like oh well it was a bios update and it bricked it so it's not our problem is crazy and i i don't i don't

1:48:16Luke Lafreniere:yeah it's like who wrote the bios update yeah smart guy yeah you know what i'm saying what's the incentive here so yeah it you know if they took care of it then sounds good here's a fun one chat gpt's mac os desktop app has a new opt-in for now feature called computer history that turns your activity across apps and websites into a timeline sounds like recall why do you go straight to the punchline every damn time mr lafreniere either you're tuned out playing minecraft hadn't read it yet or you go straight to the punchline that's

1:48:54Linus Sebastian:why i gotta tune out more i gotta play more minecraft so then i wouldn't do that computer

1:48:59Luke Lafreniere:history computer history turns your activity across apps and websites into a timeline that chat gpt and codecs can recall and reference when you make a request it can help you pick up tasks that you left half done understand patterns and how you work and suggest ways to turn repeated workflows into skills or automations interestingly it for now doesn't store screenshots like windows recall instead uses interaction events including clicks and typing along with other context available through mac os's accessibility system to create summaries of your activity it is not described as continuously tracking mouse movements or acting like a traditional key logger that records every key that you press for now In summary, computer history is opt-in for now.

1:49:50Luke Lafreniere:And you can pause it, delete history, or exclude specific apps and websites for now. And OpenAI also says that sensitive information can be excluded from history for now. It also apparently automatically detects like an incognito window and doesn't record that for now. Discussion question here. Linus comment. I think our conversation here will revolve around ways that this can be in the future. So I propose AI powered employee monitoring tool based on the data they collect from this. That seems like an obvious one. I don't think a mouse jiggler would defeat that. What else we got? You know,

1:50:37Linus Sebastian:what would defeat it is another agent controlling your computer from another computer.

1:50:44Luke Lafreniere:So we're not even going to have...

1:50:46Linus Sebastian:Which already works.

1:50:47Luke Lafreniere:We won't have dead internet. We'll have dead computer theory. Yeah, both. AI agents monitoring dead employee theory. How long would you have to be dead before they sent someone to check on you? If your AI agent was sitting there doing your work.

1:51:04Linus Sebastian:Get rid of them dan they could check in at the right time it could it could analyze your past history as an employee and know like how late you usually are to things so it could still like be a couple minutes

1:51:14Luke Lafreniere:late and then schedule the updates right at the most inconvenient time possible if your note taker was in the meeting like the the number of people that i end up in meetings with who do not turn their mic on the entire time is mind-blowing yeah a bunch like it blows my mind how many people are in attendance and i'm not saying they're not you know they shouldn't be there they're not useful or whatever i'm just saying that they're in a meeting and they don't say a single word the entire meeting. And I do wonder for someone like that if a semi-static image was there and they were in the meeting on time, how long they could actually be dead before someone would notice?

1:52:08Luke Lafreniere:Probably quite a while.

1:52:09Linus Sebastian:I wonder, you know, this is kind of sad. We might be able to have less repeat meetings if AIs were just taking the meetings instead of us.

1:52:18Luke Lafreniere:man I don't think so I've gotten really annoyed with people who send me AI emails because it mostly doesn't happen that much for me

1:52:29Linus Sebastian:at least the era of people like flexing about that has ended that was really awkward did you receive a bunch of those? no by the way this cover letter written with AI showing that I am tech forward it's like a bin

1:52:47Linus Sebastian:like crazy what are you talking about you think this is a flex that your cover letter was written by ai it's not like a good thing it doesn't make you look better i'm gonna assume that they all have like some amount of ai influence in your writing but like you don't need to call it out and be like i'm so cool because i used a free chat bot on the internet it all right all right anywho um obviously another one is opening the door to more invasive

1:53:24Luke Lafreniere:user data collection right hey now we're adding screenshots and ai analysis to help you find what you were working on or looking at we've seen this so many times in the past where the first product gets absolutely dunked on, right? Like Windows Recall. Yeah. Or like, remember the first time that Facebook tried to make Google Glass. ID mandatory. Yeah, Google Glass. We called them glass holes. Yep. Because people were so against the idea of all these cameras being everywhere. And it's really not that different now. No, if anything, they're way, way creepier now because the camera quality is so much better now.

1:54:03Luke Lafreniere:So we've seen this so many times. Horse Armor would be another great example microtransactions in games uh id requirements to use websites can you imagine proposing that on in the first you know couple months of the wan show mind-blowing it would people the parents just wouldn't allow the kids use internet at all people wouldn't people would have lost their minds and now i i came across a thread a little while ago that was like put their yeah basically any service online that you know doesn't require ids is functionally unusable for me now and i think we should just make that mandatory i just like there's just these people like discussing this yeah it didn't seem like bots and i can't always tell 100 because some of the bots are getting really good but it really didn't seem like bots it seemed like people actually discussing that they would rather all the services that they use online require id because it would just be so much better and you know what there are certain things that just plain are better with real user verification.

1:55:01Luke Lafreniere:Facebook Marketplace is a perfect example where if somebody is not a real verifiable human with a human sounding name and plausible looking posting history, I want nothing to do with them.

1:55:16Linus Sebastian:I do check that when I'm shopping on Facebook Marketplace. I do try to suss out, like, does this person seem real or not?

1:55:23Luke Lafreniere:I, you know, it's not because I think it's a really good idea for everybody to upload their ID to Meta. But I won't buy anything from you on Facebook Marketplace. There's also like...

1:55:35Linus Sebastian:Yeah, this is a bit of a tangent. I'm just being honest. Wow, how unlike the WAN show. Stop! You cannot! Halt! You ran into this problem when you're doing your vibe coding thing for the badminton challenge, where the way that it talks to you is like... What? maybe that was just a bump i don't think i did anything i did accidentally yeah which is a huge the way that it talks to you with the with the glazing and with the kind of talking around subjects and saying that's a really good point luke you've thought about this so carefully i'm

1:56:12Luke Lafreniere:so glad that you sorry we're not just making points we're redefining the concept of wanshow

1:56:19Linus Sebastian:it's not blank it's other blank uh like that type of writing it drives me nuts um when i'm trying to interact with it it drives me insane so there's been some ways that people have tried to get around it i think i might even talked about these on wancho before there's um the what is it ast uh whatever aircraft service manual writing uh guide it'll come up it'll come up the asd ste 100 simplified technical english you you can tell it like talk like this really and it'll read this thing and then it'll talk back to you in this way and it's like it it's very objective it uses simple language it none of the glazing all that kind of stuff that's pretty good it is also super robotic i mean sure which is fine i don't really care that it's robot oh that's great i mean it is a robot it should probably talk like one it's totally fine so i've done a fair amount of like and and all you have to do is like write your responses using asd sd 100 and then you just do your normal prompting like you normally would you don't need to give it any more than that and it'll just all of its responses will use it and it's totally fine there's another one that has come out recently which like almost i think i showed you that didn't I and I saw it on uh the interwebs but you might have also shared it because it was like a big thing on the internet interwebs for a while there um there's an there's another one that I got from a Theo video but I don't know if I'm gonna be able to find it oh I could find it

1:57:56Luke Lafreniere:this way hold on a second this is funny while you look for that Ballster says I actually had good luck with a skill called I have ADHD it reduces glazing a surprising amount really? I don't know why that would be but okay

1:58:12Linus Sebastian:that's really random there's another one that I saw some outputs from and I liked it so I started trying to use it and then it and I talked to Nick and Lucas about this yesterday but then it started to kind of scare me skills and swaps

1:58:37Linus Sebastian:Yeah, this is it. Yeah, unslop. And this is like a skill that you can add to your cursor agent. Or I mean, if you're using something else, just link it to the URL and it can just read it and figure it out and just do it anyway. So it doesn't really matter. this is wild and it seems pretty straightforward right but it's just you're giving it all of this information then instead of manually training it over a long time to do this of like noticing a phrase or something that it says and be like ah don't do that anymore whatever you just point it at this thing and it does a lot of what you might tell it to do so you might notice that it uses kind of around about things to describe problems or actions.

1:59:21Linus Sebastian:Okay, well, talk in plain speech. Use less jargon. How to use filler. How to use style. Don't use em dash. Don't overuse colons. Wow, that's cool. Language practices. Content. Don't use puffery so much. Yeah, listing media outlets without context. Pick one, say what they said. That's the like, it has a problem of saying like, oh, I found this on whatever, but then you ask it for the link and it's not actually there so you're getting it to like be more real about or it gives you a link to something else the the spooky thing about that uh is it's it's a lot more readable right it's way more readable like and and we're getting into the realm of um it's getting harder for me to notice it and that's where it's like oh damn like i was pointing out to Taryn the other day, there was a website that had some really interesting information on it.

2:00:20Linus Sebastian:And I linked it to Taryn and I was like, you know what's funny? And like, it totally makes sense. But this is 1000 % of vibe coded website. And I can tell because of how it's styled. I don't even I don't need to look into the code or anything like that. You just look at the website and just know. And there's been a few of these lately. And I linked a couple of them.

2:00:38Luke Lafreniere:The website is looking website that ever websiteed.

2:00:40Linus Sebastian:And they're all basically info pages. And they might have like some affiliate links or whatever. but they're basically just really good looking, but like modern web design generic with the colors and the highlighting and like it's dark mode by default and like all these other little things like that. And I was like, man, it's really interesting, but I can tell. And when are we going to cross that threshold? The writing is getting further away from being able to tell. And to be clear, I still can't, I can still tell, like if you try to tell it to write a script, It's still garbage. If you try to get it to do like really more advanced things, it's still not good at it.

2:01:19Linus Sebastian:But if I'm, you know, jotting someone a quick email, it's getting a little bit harder to tell that it was written by an AI. It might still be worse. It might be whatever else. But yeah.

2:01:34Luke Lafreniere:Remember that song I sent you last week? Would you have known that it was AI if I didn't tell you?

2:01:41Linus Sebastian:uh if i listened to 100 of the song yes because it just ends it just ends which is a bit of a common thing yes but if you didn't i don't know because you're you're right i think you had a comment saying like this is i mean it's super generic yep and it does sound super generic but generic music sounds super generic and it's pretty easy to make super generic things so like I didn't know

2:02:09Luke Lafreniere:for the first time I did not know and I only discovered this song because Yvonne had it like in her playlist and she had no idea

2:02:25Luke Lafreniere:and it's not something that I listened to super closely because it's just on and it was definitely a moment for me

2:02:39Luke Lafreniere:because up until now, human voices, whether it's singing or a speech or acting or whatever, I've been pretty easily able to tell, no, that's not a human voice. This was certainly not obvious to me.

2:03:01Linus Sebastian:I don't remember because I'm not really into that type of music so I didn't exactly listen to it again. But does it have like an auto-tune style to it or something? Not really, no.

2:03:15Yeah.

2:03:16Luke Lafreniere:Anyway, the last thing that, you know what, it doesn't really matter. We kind of pivoted off of our discussion question. We found a new discussion question. Oh.

2:03:28Luke Lafreniere:Man, that like sort of glaze fixer. What was it, Unslop? Yeah.

2:03:35Linus Sebastian:Because at first I was just looking for, because that SCE thing was really interesting for me, I was just looking for ways to make it better at communicating with me. Yeah, for sure. Because in my opinion, the glazing and stuff like that makes it less accurate. And I understand that it might increase usage scores and stuff on the company's side, like OpenAI or Anthropic or whatever else. They might see usage scores go up. but for me it makes it makes me question the answer are you just are you just doing this thing because you think I might want it so I've noticed sometimes like I might hand it something and I've even tested this where I'll work on something with it for a while and then it'll be like okay this is like perfect I'm like yeah I like it too and then I'll do a full new session where it has no context or history and send it and it'll come up with a bunch of changes that I don't necessarily think are great.

2:04:30Linus Sebastian:And I think it's because if you ask it to like review something, it's always going to try to come up with a change. So it's like an executive. We've talked about this in context like that. We've talked about this in context of agencies as well, where like they want to insert changes so that they feel like they have some amount of input or control. Its job is to find something that it could improve. So it's going to suggest a change basically no matter what.

2:04:54Luke Lafreniere:I ran into this in the vibe coding challenge too, where sometimes its job is just to cosplay a real person. So it was pretending to be a developer and telling me, yeah, let me work on that and get back to you, even though I wasn't working with an agentic AI and it had no capability of doing that. So if it thinks that what it's supposed to do is make a bunch of changes, then it might just...

2:05:17Linus Sebastian:It might just do that, even though that's really not what you want. So it's like, I'm trying to get it to talk more simply, get out of the glazing stuff, be very objective uh never post a thing unless you have a citable reference that i can go to and match um and if i can't go to it and match it like if you link a citable reference and it's not what you said it was i'll hammer on that and like try to be like really really stop doing fake work basically um and i've been in this this phase of trying to find better ways for it to communicate and I stumbled across this and I was happy about it and then I got really really scared because I was like that was easy that's I think the biggest problem is that's not a super it's a list of things that people know that these things do all the time that's in basically a text document it's kind of shocking that they haven't monetized this

2:06:15Luke Lafreniere:like just some people have it as a have it as a drop down no I mean the big guys like how is open ai not just have a drop down like the the don't do fake work drop down you know like

2:06:27Linus Sebastian:yeah i i genuinely think that might be bad for their business just because people like the glazing so much yeah and i think honestly you might think that the thing is better if it's doing a bunch of fake work because it looks like it's doing stuff i mean this has been if even if you think back to like one of our first streams of trying it, we tried to calculate how many backpacks the trunk of something would hold and it gave an answer and we were immediately like, whoa, and then we figured out the answer was totally wrong. There's those teachers that are finding that students are not even reading through the output and submitting it as homework.

2:07:07Linus Sebastian:This, I promise you, is happening in the workplace. So like, they just want outputs that look real. I get emails like that in the workplace. Yeah.

2:07:16Luke Lafreniere:that like or like oh man the worst is presentation decks because they all look like the most generic presentation deck ever they all look like they because here's the thing you can't it's like upscaling right like if you only started with mine oh sorry oh wow are you punched your mic no no i'm good yeah i'm great if you only started with minecraft pixels right you you could you could guess at what a photo realistic that might look like but it's it's it's not going to be real it's it's never going to be real so if your presentation started with my idea is that we buy low and sell high the ai is going to do a bunch of make work it's going to turn it into an eight page slide deck but at the end of the day that's that's all the information that's going to be in it like you can prompt it with find supporting evidence for this strategy and blah blah blah blah blah and it's and it's it's going to go and do that stuff but the thesis is still going to be buy low sell high it can only be as good as your original prompt as your original idea still and so whenever i see this stuff i'm just like oh god why is this a half hour call why don't you just say buy low sell high ai says it's a good idea and we can all save our very real human our very finite time on this planet that i still do mostly like being on

2:08:59Linus Sebastian:in other news do you would you like to do a topic or would you like to play minecraft i'm almost My problem is I need so many different shades of gray, man. There's no options. Okay. I need like a black. I don't have a black. And then I need multiple shades of gray. I mean, I guess I could have done this one over here.

2:09:20Luke Lafreniere:Well, I'm glad you're having fun. It's like fairly different. Apple has been ordered by Germany's federal cartel office to stop scaring iPhone and iPad users away from third-party apps. They just closed a four-year investigation into app tracking transparency on Monday after Apple agreed to binding changes. The regulator's core finding was that third-party apps must get consent through Apple's predefined tracking prompt, while Apple's own apps use their own separate prompt for personalized ads, and the wording design and options in Apple's version had the potential to encourage consent, while the third-party version had the potential to discourage it.

2:10:04Luke Lafreniere:Apple will now align the two prompts much more closely, removing possibly discouraging symbols and wording from the third-party version so that both are neutral in content, wording, and layout. Apple has four months to implement the changes, and the commitments last seven years under an independent trustee. Developers also gain more flexibility to combine consent requests instead of stacking Apple's prompt on top of their own privacy pop-ups. A spokesperson said the company believes privacy is a fundamental human right and that the current design is compliant and France already fined Apple 150 million euros over aspects of the same framework last year.

2:10:40Luke Lafreniere:So my note is the top comment on the Verge article absolutely nailed it. Why exactly are we asking Apple to make both of them look neutral and or encouraging? Apple clearly knew what the right thing to do was. they used they used dark patterns but like reverse dark patterns so we'll call them light patterns to encourage their users to be more privacy conscious with third parties and then they marketed that heavily look at us look at how apple puts up a prompt and and and and make sure that you know the information and data that you're giving to advertisers they knew the right thing to do and they knew how much their users would love it.

2:11:26Luke Lafreniere:So shouldn't they instead be updating their own data collection messages to encourage users to scrutinize them just like the third party ones instead of making the third party ones sound less like you're giving away your data? This whole thing just reminds me of this interaction that I had with Facebook a little while back where I went, this is the proof once and for all that these guys know exactly what they're doing. Everything that they're doing, they know exactly what they're doing. It's completely intentional. I went to sign into my Facebook and it was like, hey, I popped up a notification or something or there was some kind of prompt that was like, hey, there's a new login from this device.

2:12:15Luke Lafreniere:Do you want to approve or deny? and deny was in like bright blue and approve was like harder to click because they know it's bs for sure they know they know how to get you because they want you to deny a fraudulent login by default they know how to get you to click on things and so yeah instead of taking what they know which is that user privacy is important and applying it across the board including to apple this is where apple had a chance to actually practice the principles that they preach but instead they did the usual apple thing where they went yeah it's not convenient and well oh whoops well that's interesting

2:13:21Luke Lafreniere:So there's a fair bit to unpack here It was a really good effort It's lopsided like fine I mean It's a good thing you didn't put the two on the right And make them blue I think you should seek medical attention Is it supposed to be shaped like a little mushroom cap? No, the mushrooms wouldn't grow

2:13:47Linus Sebastian:So the bottom of this one here I guess should be three instead of four Same with that one Because they're both like They just go out a little bit too far on that side Yeah, that's the problem They're both equally odd in that way Which is kind of cool And then this side is just enormous.

2:14:08Luke Lafreniere:In fairness to you, sort of, you know, you only had 80 % of your attention on what you were doing in Minecraft. The other 20 % was pretending to be co-hosting a podcast.

2:14:19Linus Sebastian:You could fly the whole time and you didn't like zoom out once. One could argue what I've been doing in Minecraft has been more important.

2:14:27Luke Lafreniere:Oh, okay. I forgot I was supposed to be doing checkout messages. There's like 50 I've just been watching you play Minecraft the whole time. Really? No, no. No, I'm joking. For crying out loud. You're so easy, Linus. At least one of us was working. I guess. I meant you. Sorry, sorry. What were you saying? Oh, for crying out loud, Dan. I'm going to put subway surfers on the other side next show. That's a great idea.

2:14:58Anyway, in other news,

2:15:01Luke Lafreniere:Are you back to this? Oh, yeah, I gotta fix it. Yeah, you do.

2:15:08Luke Lafreniere:I really don't think this is work. I think it is work. Ratings ran a 2017 LG C7 against 19 OLED TVs from 2020 to 2023, playing simulated content at maximum SDR brightness for 10 ,000 hours, which works out to about five hours a day for 10 years. every single tv developed burn-in and in similar ways leading ratings to conclude that burn-in resistance hasn't advanced nearly as much as we think since 2017 maybe not at all the content that they had on was continuous cnn footage with its static news ticker which is basically a worst case scenario for permanent image retention the 2023 models did average 28 brighter in small highlights and over twice as bright full screen compared to the 2017 model while drawing 27 less power needing just 95 watts to hit 100 nits instead of 130 watts on the old panel um so the takeaway from the data is that these brightness gains came instead of durability gains uh there are also software mitigation factors that these tvs may not have been allowed to use because we just had completely static content.

2:16:23Luke Lafreniere:Scrubbing and whatnot. The extra brightness seems to be the actual mitigation here because a modern OLED at 60-80 % brightness matches an older set running flat out so you could run it gentler for the same picture and stress the panel less. Ratings does also stress that this was an extreme static content test and typical mixed home viewing shouldn't produce anything like these results. Our discussion question here is, Ratings asked whether manufacturers should have spent six years of OLED progress on durability instead of brightness. But I think the answer is kind of, it's right there in the results.

2:16:55Luke Lafreniere:They did. They just chose which side to take their points and allocate them to. And consumers have spoken and said they want brighter sets. We could easily, I mean, they could easily buy a modern TV, set it to 50, 60 % brightness, and then have something that lasts for a really long time if they only run it in a dim room. I mean, I think that I'd rather have the choice. I'd rather that the OLED manufacturers, like LG Display and Samsung, I'd rather they give me the controls. I guess this would be, no, this would be the TV manufacturers. So like your Sony's, your LG Electronics and Samsung. I'd rather they give me a bright display and then let me decide how bright to turn it up.

2:17:42Luke Lafreniere:If I want to choose to have it last for a really long time, I'd like to do that. It's not like they don't have eco modes and stuff out of the box. These are things that they do expose to the user, these options. However, it is a bit of a downer to see that, yeah, there is a reason that desktop monitors do still run quite a bit dimmer than TVs. Because they know that they're far more likely to encounter this kind of static imagery. And even though my monitor is supposedly a newer one. Basically guaranteed with start menus and stuff on effectively every operating system. Even though my monitor is a newer one that should be less scary or whatever, I do still have all of my desktop elements hidden.

2:18:19Linus Sebastian:When I was buying my OLED, I conferred with people that knew a lot about monitors or at least owned one and was informed that, you know, the better ones do better with those types of problems. And then did notice like a little bit of ghosting every once in a while when I would leave one thing up for a long time and was like, whoa, that's crazy that like all this advancement has happened and it's still there. Some of it's more temporary. But some of it is permanent.

2:18:48Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

2:18:52Linus Sebastian:Kind of crazy. It's nice that Ratings is doing stuff like this. I don't necessarily think it's going to change purchasing decisions, to be honest.

2:19:04Luke Lafreniere:It won't change mine. I don't know that I keep a TV for long enough to run it for five hours a day for 10 years.

2:19:11Linus Sebastian:Five hours a day is a lot.

2:19:13Luke Lafreniere:They just don't get used that much in my household. Some people do, though.

2:19:16Linus Sebastian:i mean we're seeing we're seeing youtube metrics and stuff right like tv viewership is flying upwards oh yeah i assumed that was kind of kind of fall off after covid but it doesn't it just seems to be continuing nope yeah very interesting i mean this was the one that is taking over from which is and people are kind of sick of this yeah like i'm pretty tired of looking at this thing is Is it largely Gen Z? I don't actually know. I know the Gen Zs have been talking about, like, screw the phones.

2:19:47Luke Lafreniere:I don't know.

2:19:48Linus Sebastian:Interesting.

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2:21:58Luke Lafreniere:Nice, I got two snorts. matt cole of bejeeze.com set up an sd card torture rig back in 2023 to put various cards through their paces and recently released an update to this project on r slash data hoarder matt put together a list of his top and worst consumer grade sd cards with sandisk ultimately taking the dishonorable mention this is really cool picture by the way looks crazy yeah Yeah, how cool is that? All the SD cards. That's sweet. Just being tortured for science. Take that, SD cards. You know, if you're going to be sadistic about something, it might as well be that. On Reddit, he wrote, Sandisk represents the single biggest brand in my collection.

2:22:44Luke Lafreniere:I have 28 of their cards in this category, with four more on the shelf waiting to be tested. It is telling that of those 28, only five are still going, and one of them is in its death throes, especially when cards from so many other brands have far outlasted them. Many of them have died under circumstances that any other card would have handled just fine, a problem that I've written about on my blog before. They lasted an average of 384 days and 9 ,404 program verify race cycles, or about 566 terabytes written. In contrast, as a surprise honorable mention, he's been impressed by the results from Amazon Basics cards.

2:23:20Luke Lafreniere:I have four of the Amazon Basics 64 gigs, and they're still going, all of them. They've been going for an average of 788 days and about 16 ,000 program verify race cycles. I've written about 4.2 petabytes to them in total. Honestly, didn't expect Amazon Basics to be one of the top performers when I bought them. And yet, here we are. It is worth noting, however, this is still a very small sample size. I wonder whose memory is in the Amazon Basic SD cards. If you got them all from the same batch, it could all be just randomly, luckily a good one.

2:23:53Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

2:23:53Luke Lafreniere:and and it depends on the general market conditions like sd cards can end up with better flash at times when flash is cheap or they can end up with even more rubbish salvage flash when flash is really expensive and can be sold in other products so i wouldn't draw too many conclusions here but i would definitely say hey sandisk that like doesn't seem that great but also it's worth noting 9 ,000 program erase cycles. That's a lot. Like how many years would it take you to reach 9 ,000 cycles on an SD card in your camera? At my current usage, I just never would. Yeah. In something like a dash cam, yeah, maybe this is a concern.

2:24:36Linus Sebastian:I mean, there's things that absolutely could be a concern there. I'm sure there's some people that rip through games really quickly on certain SD cards and certain devices. I mean, you're using SD cards for expansion in... Some amount of those... Like, I don't think the Steam Deck has one, does it? It does. It does have SD card expansion? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so you're using it in a lot of cases where it might get a ton of read, right? Especially where a Steam Deck could be used or an ROG Ally or whatever could be used as an actual desktop itself. You're not overriding them that much, though,

2:25:08Luke Lafreniere:even in those applications, although they could be running really hot. It's not just games, though. That's true of cameras, too. yeah if you're doing like screen recording or something like that like if you're streaming

2:25:17Linus Sebastian:and screen capping yeah because if you're just downloading installing games you're right i don't think you're going to cycle it that much some people will but most won't right did you say i'm right oh my god

2:25:30Luke Lafreniere:no the ding w r i t e because we're talking about sd card endurance get that out of here

2:25:40Linus Sebastian:Oh my god Sorry I didn't notice you put that up on screen That's fantastic Here you can I finished my art piece I could make it better but I don't feel like it So there you go Yeah we believe you I switched the Okay give me a mouse back Give me a mouse back big guy Give me a mouse back I know the only thing that's required still I can do it Give me that And I'll do it even slower with a touchpad I didn't close it I still got the game

2:26:07Luke Lafreniere:our discussion question is from Pankrats I wonder how OCZ SD cards would have done if they had been put through a similar test yeah I think that was about the most bottom of the barrel flash that was available they were like giving those things away for free at some points alright Dan I think that's it for the before dark should we switch over to after dark oh were you going to give me my dongle how dare you Oh, no he wasn't

2:26:39Luke Lafreniere:Daniel Besser? We are switched over

2:26:42Linus Sebastian:Wow, he was fast I was Keeping track, well Uh, you want some You want some comms? Yeah, I'm trying to What did you just call them? Comms Oh

2:26:57Luke Lafreniere:Are they not called that anymore? Did we change it again? No, I thought you called them comms Wow No, we changed them so that wasn't the reference.

2:27:05Linus Sebastian:It wasn't describing what people did when they saw my WAN logo in Minecraft.

2:27:08Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, sure. Yeah, I'm going to have to clean up after WAN after dark.

2:27:15Linus Sebastian:Oh my goodness. Oh, come on. Okay, so I've been trying to install this thing the whole time. Yeah, you can show it. And it was getting ThreatLocker blocked. and then I think AJ finally saw it and gave me a little allow. So I got to install it, but changes will only be effective. Oh wait, until the system's rebooted. I dyslexiated it. Am I good then? No, you dyslexiated it again. Changes will not be effective. You may need to restart because I think we got rid of ThreatHunker. That's a brutal double.

2:27:51Luke Lafreniere:So could we call this Dyslexia?

2:27:58two two two slexia all the slepsia oh man um yeah so that's unfortunate so i don't i i can't really show it off but i mean i'm interested in how that works cool at the same time these days

2:28:11Luke Lafreniere:just go over and use linux well i think that workplaces and yeah workplace machines

2:28:18Linus Sebastian:should should yeah that's maybe a different conversation

2:28:25Luke Lafreniere:more yeah you had said that part of how vpns print money is they have a lower bandwidth cost than you would expect people only use them sometimes does the rise in age verification laws change this oh i do i do think there is some potential there yeah

2:28:49Luke Lafreniere:especially people using their vpns to stream video uh with that said i mean i think a lot of

2:28:57Linus Sebastian:like leaving your vpn on is honestly super annoying i wonder how much of a benefit it is to the vpn companies that the vpn ips get flagged and that you constantly have to do like cloud flare bot verification so then you're gonna be like oh i don't need it for this thing and you'll turn it off like i wonder if that's literally a benefit for them because i hate leaving it on i

2:29:16Luke Lafreniere:never want to i never leave it on yeah and there's annoying there's dumb stuff like android auto doesn't work properly with your vpn enabled on your phone that's weird it'll prompt you about it too it'll be like hey you have your vpn i'll be off crap turn it off that's funky yeah i don't wonder why i don't actually understand why i'm sure i'm sure someone could explain it to me in like three seconds because i'm sure there's like some compelling reason for it it's just i'm not

2:29:40Linus Sebastian:really not really thought about it that much yeah hi lld happy belated birthday i just have

2:29:50Luke Lafreniere:celebrated my birthday yesterday also oh happy birthday i recently was able to get my there see it worked this one time thanks with no exclamation mark i recently was able to get my rosewill thor v2 back question for all would you like to see cases like that brought back was that the one that had all the five and a quarter inch bays or v2 hold on let me see if i can find this thing oh yeah yeah this thing was a monster absolute classic look at this thing okay all right if you if you want to talk about that let's talk about the uh i think i'm okay with computer

2:30:30Linus Sebastian:case is not being the size of a city anymore.

2:30:32Luke Lafreniere:Man, this thing was so freaking stylin' though. Hot damn. Oh, I saw one of these on, like, the subreddit or something. The flames on that one. This case was so dumb that yo mama, look, I don't know where I'm going with this. The point is, it was so huge. It fit, like, nothing in it. The airflow honestly kind of sucked because there were no actual fans anywhere on this mesh. Like, it was look at the intakes they're so suffocated but it looked so cool hey it's our boy hey Dimitri what's up the 810 was the actual like BA just like external rad

2:31:18Linus Sebastian:you could put

2:31:19Luke Lafreniere:all the things in it that's so sick you could put all your DVD burners you could do like a one to one two three four five six seven eight nine ten one to ten disc copy operation on this thing uh another big favorite of mine was the wave master i certainly didn't have one of those haha the wave master was sick this is this is really old this is like when design for cases had only just started to kind of become a thing i recognize that. Do we have one in inventory? A Wavemaster? Yeah. Almost certainly not. Ah. Thermaltake had a clone, you know, like how they do. Another, man, another big one for me was, um, oh, bloody hell, what was that, um, what was that brand?

2:32:09Luke Lafreniere:Mountain Mods. Is Mountain Mods still around?

2:32:13Linus Sebastian:I thought they, I thought they died a long time ago.

2:32:16Luke Lafreniere:Mountain Mods. Hold on a second.

2:32:18Linus Sebastian:I am super wrong, I guess?

2:32:19Luke Lafreniere:Holy crap, they still exist. I am super wrong. Hell yeah. I was thinking of, oh, Balls, which one are you? You're thinking of Case Labs. Yes, I was. Mountain Mods is the original Case Labs. Yeah. You're right, though. I was thinking Case Labs. Yeah, these guys have had pretty much the same lineup forever. I mean, oh, they're very expensive. This is$449. Dude, you don't have a front panel yet. Oh. Well, okay, you can. You can get the standard ones. But you wouldn't. Yeah, you're going to get the triple quad, and you're going to get the triple big window. Yeah, so you'll get the big window. Oh, also, by the way, you probably want to get the black wrinkle powder coat, because it looks amazing.

2:33:07Luke Lafreniere:And the smoked gray acrylic. Anyway, you can end up really doing some stuff with mountain wads. But these cases are like, these are the original, these are the original overkill computer case. Look at this video. If this video doesn't make you want this case, then I don't even know what you're doing with your life. Look at this. The text is exploding. There's skulls everywhere. This is so based. You can't even make this a parody. No, dog. You can't. Look at this system. Oh, my God. Nobody has wrapped tubes anymore. Makes me sad. No soul. soulless that's sick or what gone is that a memory cooler that's a that's a dominator airflow memory

2:33:58Linus Sebastian:cooler yep oh how many evga cards rip evga oh yeah buddy three three way sli brother whoa whoa whoa now that's a computer that's what all three of those cards get together costs a lot less than one new card now. I know, right? I bet it also had 32 gigs of memory. Oh, boy.

2:34:24Luke Lafreniere:Now I'm sad. Okay. Hi, gang. How is the progress with Odysseus? Any plans to use it for work statistics? Also, do you know what the most powerful local video generation models are? WAN 2.2 and LTX 2.3? so far I have managed to screw it up on Fedora once, screw it up on Fedora again, screw it up on Ubuntu because nothing ever works for me, I'm just following the stint so it turns out that running um running Blackwell is a big problem apparently the cards are just really new and driver support for them kind of sucks and so there's a bunch of custom flags that you have to set and I just I've gotten it working multiple times.

2:35:12Luke Lafreniere:I managed to, I actually had to dig around in our Google Workspace account settings in order to use OAuth in Odysseus to get my work email working in it so I had to like approve that. I think I only did it for my account. I don't think I did it org wide. Yeah, wait, what? Don't worry about it. The point is I had to do some stuff that probably IT would have liked to know about, not live on the LAN show. and i mean whatever yeah i'll basically all i company all i did but yeah see that's what i'm talking about um so i've gotten it to the point where uh it is i have an llm working and it can have like i can do like two prompts and it'll be like yeah i'm totally working thanks for doing a quick test with me and i'll be like okay um maybe you can help me fix yourself because when you try to use the email client, it just errors out and it'll be like,

2:36:13Luke Lafreniere:and it just seems to be related to the Blackwell card. So I'm going to keep poking at it. I'm having fun still, so that's good. Yeah, I put like another three hours into it earlier this week, just kind of poking at it. I have some vacation time coming up, so that might be a more likely time for me to play with it. Do you have your GPUs yet or no?

2:36:32Linus Sebastian:Yeah, but not modded yet. Got it. Because there was a delay on that because now the thing and the stuff. Right. Okay. Cool. But it's still going to be happening.

2:36:43Luke Lafreniere:And have you played with WAN yet? Well, I thought that was a joke. No, no, no. It is called WAN. Oh, I thought it was a joke too. No, no, no. The model is actually WAN. Not WAN.

2:36:59Linus Sebastian:No, it's the video models. WAN.

2:37:09Linus Sebastian:Sorry, is this local?

2:37:10Luke Lafreniere:Yes. What? Maybe not 3.0, but it is the primary model. I have not tried LTX, but I have tried WAN. It is so complicated, and I am not very good at it, and I gave up.

2:37:25Linus Sebastian:Should really try again. This is nuts. WAN is crazy.

2:37:35Luke Lafreniere:And you can also chain them together. So normally it's like five or six seconds that it generates, but what you can do is you can kind of do this recursive workflow where you feed the last frame into the first frame as like an image-to-video thing, and then you can get longer than six-second videos. They kind of go a bit wonky. I don't know. You can get a seven-second one. Well, you could double it.

2:38:01Linus Sebastian:A lot of the problems with a lot of these is they get wonky real fast. And it's the changes problem, right? Like if you're like, actually I want this guy to be a green frog instead of an orange frog. And then it's like, no, it's walking on a totally different type of tree. But if you feed the first... You can try to make small changes. You can, yeah, but you've got to regenerate the whole thing. That's kind of the problem. But I mean, if you're using video references, I don't know. It's so complicated and it takes so long to render that I just haven't had time to play with it. Yeah, I'm not, I don't really have anything to do with video modeling.

2:38:41Linus Sebastian:So it doesn't really matter too much to me. Up next, but it's fun, they're called when.

2:38:46Luke Lafreniere:I love you, sweetheart, and a very happy early birthday. His birthday was actually yesterday. I don't think this is for Linus. He could be talking to anyone. A quick question for both of you. bay sure let's go with that them quick question for both of you rats what do you think of them please from two very obsessive rat owners okay we almost ended up with pet rats um we were talking to the kids about like potentially a new pet i think you know i've been trying to catch some voles for a while because they're good cat tv um and they're also just they're up they're fun for me to watch too they like they jump around they're all active i like the mice from the pet store they're so docile they're basically for food here um so i wanted voles but pet stores can't sell you voles because they're domestic species which you're not allowed to sell as pets something something etc yeah i know it's weird um anyway the point is i haven't been able to catch any voles and i was like well we should get something for the cat tv aquarium and we also talked about maybe getting ferrets because they apparently have like a ton of personality they're lots of fun take them out and interact with them they'll like play fetch and do all kinds of things uh so we were like we're talking about potential another pet like a rodent pet and rats kept coming up even though personally i find the appearance a little bit off-putting because i don't know maybe it's just like millennia of conditioning um to kind of avoid them because you know disease and all that sort of stuff i don't think that's millennial conditioning no millennia of oh okay okay okay i was like bruh no no no no no no no no no thousands of years

2:40:31Linus Sebastian:um the plague yeah yeah the one you know and the other one and probably another one

2:40:39Luke Lafreniere:anyway but what kept coming up is what incredible pets they are and like how sociable they are and intelligent and the thing that ultimately turned us off them and then we ended up with chickens somehow uh the thing that ultimately turned us off them was the lifespan they apparently just only live a couple of years and we just didn't want to put ourselves through that to get really bonded to something because apparently they that you do and they're like super interactive and then and then they just die and then they're gone they might set up monarchies too what yeah sometimes they elect a rat king stop it you think i don't know what that is i'm don't look it up it's gross

2:41:20Linus Sebastian:sure

2:41:23Luke Lafreniere:you'd have to ding that oh you said monarchy and then it's a whole joke and then whatever ding for rat king what should i do for my next date night with my wife oh um home lab has she ever heard of kubernetes yeah yeah mansplain something to her that'll go well um No, explore together.

2:41:49Linus Sebastian:Learn together. Have you ever heard of Kubernetes? Learn together. So, sweetie, do you like containers? You know, like Tupperware? Let me show you my Helm chart. Anyway.

2:42:02Luke Lafreniere:You said you always wanted a ranch.

2:42:07Luke Lafreniere:Xfin724 says, bitches love Kubernetes.

2:42:10Linus Sebastian:If you go down, I can help you come back up again.

2:42:13Luke Lafreniere:It turns itself back on.

2:42:15Linus Sebastian:Yeah, automatically. Yeah. Let me show you my stacked stack, baby.

2:42:21Luke Lafreniere:Okay, anyway. She proxmoxes my... Okay. Until I deploy. Okay, date night. Talking? Date night. I'm ready with a serious suggestion. Activity. Go to the dollar store, or failing that, go to your local Michaels, buy a scrapbook, and buy some pages, and actually print some fucking pictures, because you know you haven't done it. and make a scrapbook. There you go. That is a phenomenal idea. Go through your pictures from the last year, and you don't have to get all fancy about it. You don't have to write things and put little stickers and do all the stuff. Just make a photo album for the last year, and then you'll look at it again.

2:43:03Luke Lafreniere:What's kind of nice about that... Set a calendar reminder to do it again in a year, and you look at the old one, and then you do another one.

2:43:10Linus Sebastian:And you didn't have to come up with another date idea. That's actually pretty good. That's pretty good.

2:43:17Luke Lafreniere:It took me and Yvonne forever to finish the one that we did because we did try to do all the writing things and everything. You overthink stuff. And then it took so long that now we don't want to do another one. So don't do that. Just put pictures in. Failing that, failing that, just look at pictures together and use an online service and they just ship it to you. That's an option too. So it depends on how much. Basically, you can use this idea no matter how much time you want to commit to it. another really fun one this was from like a date ideas like pack that i bought on amazon uh is you and this one's very cheap is you just go to like a library or a grocery store or anywhere that would have a recipe book and you just flip to a random page and you go like this and then you go buy the ingredients and make it and eat it it was fun you don't even have to buy the recipe book you You can just take a picture of the page.

2:44:10Linus Sebastian:It's sort of bad faith, but... It's also very possible that you own a recipe book that you've made like two things out of ever. So you can just use one you have. But it's not a bad idea to use the going out to the library as like an activity anyways. So like... And you'll be at the grocery store anyway. Yeah, that too. Yeah.

2:44:28Luke Lafreniere:You know, for shopping.

2:44:29Linus Sebastian:Yeah, so that's not bad.

2:44:31Luke Lafreniere:Charged Nuclei says there aren't any recipes on the internet. It isn't the point. It's not... Yeah, that's more lame. That's a lot more lame. The point is... You got to use the... To touch and hold something and also the like, are we supposed to be doing this? You're just doing something together. Don't worry about it. Villabongs has a suggestion. Blaze and glaze? Get high into a ceramics class. All right. Just as long as you're not dealing with the kiln, then it's probably fine. They normally handle that for you. Hi, DLL. Good pivot, Dan. It's true. With the rise of LLM-generated text in comments and algorithm-driven surfacing, how viable do you think your practice of just reading the recommended comments on videos is?

2:45:17Linus Sebastian:Ooh! Good question. They are great tonight. Thank you, everybody.

2:45:22Luke Lafreniere:Good question for Linus. Pretty viable, I think. Ugh! Because why? Gross. No, I don't think... They can't be any worse than they are now. Yeah, I don't think the YouTube comments have been quite as overrun as Reddit because there's not much benefit to it. There's no SEO. I've seen it a couple times. Not that often, though, you're right. It's mostly like marketing bots and stuff. It does seem to genuinely be real, often very stupid people in the YouTube comments. Like a lot of the time, it's not coherent enough to be a bot. So no, I think for now, there's no financial incentive to take over the YouTube comments with bots.

2:46:04Luke Lafreniere:So it hasn't been as big of a problem yet. or rather it isn't as big of a problem right now because there was a period that was really bad but like on our videos it's not a huge problem I read so many of the comments and so few of them are actually problematic

2:46:19Linus Sebastian:I wonder if it's more prevalent on like political videos and stuff oh dude

2:46:27Luke Lafreniere:I can't look at anything Canadian politics on Twitter right now because the bot replies are so ridiculous

2:46:34Linus Sebastian:I'm sure it's any politics really

2:46:37Luke Lafreniere:Well Canadian politics Matters more to me so I'm You're 100 % right But those are the ones that I've been looking at And it's just It is so painful Just seeing the two Sides of bots and you can tell which one Has the bigger budget slug it out Ugh

2:47:00Linus Sebastian:Yeah Twitter is Kind of it's just a hate platform now and i don't say that with any political leaning to be honest because it's just a hate platform in both directions it does really seem to be that it's just and like it's always been that forget the porn yep yep yep it's like the two things that drive your brain fastest i will say i've encountered less accidental pornography on

2:47:29Luke Lafreniere:twitter lately but then i've also used it a lot less lately i just checked my i checked my I check my mentions and then my DMs and pretty much log off. Because I only access it on desktop too, so there's no way I do that.

2:47:43Linus Sebastian:I do that like maybe once a month, usually less often than that.

2:47:50Luke Lafreniere:Anyways, in the recent 1080 Ti video, what test bench was used with the LTT CPU cases attached to it? If the test bench is 3D printed, are there any plans to make the STL files available? It looked cool. Oh, it's the open bench. yeah it's not 3d printed i don't think it's really nice but it's pretty expensive yes open this thing yeah oh those things are awesome yeah but very nice i have a little teeny tiny itx one it is just the sweetest little thing and it's only so i put a thread ripper motherboard on it nice nice so it would hang off about like to here yeah

2:48:31Linus Sebastian:pretty much did he have to support the board like yeah i put a box under it yeah yeah i should have

2:48:36Luke Lafreniere:just put it on the floor oh my god they have a pie sized one oh and they flat pack too which is

2:48:42Linus Sebastian:super nice oh my god imagine spending that much that is so unnecessary i love it yeah i bet you someone's done it um enjoyed the birthday stream the other night thanks for taking the time for us

2:48:56Luke Lafreniere:if budget and time were not an issue what is the video you have been dying to make

2:49:04Luke Lafreniere:i don't know man i feel like i feel like budget is not as big of a concern for me as it was earlier in my career now it's more it's more time it's more like what are the things that i would that i want to be able to spend more time on um like i mean you man you saw what the schedule was like today with where i was supposed to be and i'm just i'm getting dragged in all these different directions and like like there's really cool stuff that i want to do like here i'm here i'll tease a video i'm gonna bring a thing back someone just mentioned in chat that there's a

2:49:44Linus Sebastian:a the guild kickstarter i was looking into this and then it said ren fair and i don't know what it is Is it a what that doesn't help clarity I don't understand what's going on but the guild was fun when it was a thing I don't is this a board game? What is this? Okay Ten million dollars? It's a movie Renfair movie Wow Their goal was two and they've made five times that almost go figure So I guess it's the guild are these the original characters? It kind of looks like it is, if this play button is covering up the dude. Oh, well, yeah, it didn't give me that slide. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That looks like the people.

2:50:37Linus Sebastian:Ah, there he is. That's the guy that I thought was missing. Okay, so is the guild coming back? But with a movie? And it's called Ren Fared? Cool. Neat. Never heard of it. I didn't know this was a thing. I don't pay much attention at Kickstarter anymore, but they're still clearly blasting campaigns with$10 million and stuff all the time. Oh, yeah. And like, this is not the only one. It happens quite often. They just, they used to be such a topic of conversation, just Kickstarter the platform, and they're still huge. Very interesting.

2:51:07Luke Lafreniere:So here is a perfect example of something that I don't need more money to do, but is the kind of thing that I want to do. Oh, that looks sick. This started its life earlier yesterday. At the beginning of the day yesterday, this was a standard DualSense controller. Now, it has TMR joysticks, a completely new case. It has back paddles that are configurable with this screen on the back. And if I can figure out how to turn it on. Wow, that is such a cool controller. LED backlighting. I think I'm attracted to the next one. This one started its life as a standard Xbox One controller. oh oh uh ignore ignore that that's just some capton tape that has a screw i accidentally broke one of the paddles as i was putting it on but that's just that can be fixed by just getting a new paddle switch it's like the whole mod is fine um so it started its life as a standard first party xbox controller it now has back paddles uh a transparent housing and uh did i dimension also has led lighting that can be color changed zone by zone one at a time including on the triggers um and i'm trying to remember oh yeah and it's it can have the firmware it's it's undergone a mod to install the latest firmware rather than being stuck with the old firmware so that you can uh do the recentering oh also has tmr joysticks um and the whole time so it was basically episode two of linus and david mod their old their console stuff together uh the last time we did it he upgraded his vita and i upgraded my game gear and we've been meaning that we we told each other we were like that was so fun we should totally make this a recurring series no this is awesome and now i want to do one three years ago or something like that yeah and we're finally doing it and the whole time we're doing it people are breathing down our necks going hey you guys need to finish the shoot you need to finish the shoot you have all the other other shoots to do so for me my problem is not not having enough money to do the stuff I want to do.

2:53:11Luke Lafreniere:It's time. It's not having enough time because people are so dependent on me to complete their own projects and hit their own KPIs that sometimes I don't get to spend the time that I want on just like making dumb s*** like this. Like look at this color scheme. Is this eye cancer or what? But it's in the best way.

2:53:32Linus Sebastian:I don't know about the purple. I really like the green and the wood green. Oh, here, we can change that. We can change that. Hold on. I just have to go one, two, three.

2:53:41Luke Lafreniere:Right? Okay. And then I can change the colors. So there's an actual purple. Here we could go teal. The teal's kind of cool. We could go red. We could go green. The green's too boring. Oh, okay. Green's too boring. This might be a multicolor one that I'm looking at right now. I have no idea what's going on right now. I haven't actually played around with this too much. But basically, yeah, you can... Oh, I think you can toggle zones off.

2:54:03Linus Sebastian:I think would look pretty clean.

2:54:05Luke Lafreniere:There's no white. I was like, what?

2:54:08Linus Sebastian:I thought it was white for a second.

2:54:10Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, so David ended up with slightly better options for his RGB colors matching his controller housing. But you know what? It is what it is. I had a ton of fun doing this. Green and teal looks cool. Either way. Sweet. That looks wicked. That was fun. You know what? I'm going to go green. I'm going to go green. so now all i have to do is i press this for a second oh wait for a longer second chat said

2:54:39Linus Sebastian:please sell this it'll sell it immediately well if you watch the video i'm sure they bought these things online in order to mod their controllers we did you could buy them from the people who

2:54:46Luke Lafreniere:actually make them yeah and then you could mod your own controller yeah it was a little bit bigger of a task than i initially thought maybe it's one second on this one is it one second on this one nope i got dang it i can't remember how to do this now you know what okay i'm just gonna to leave it i'm gonna leave it fuchsia for now there we go i'm out of but yeah they they both work perfectly that's the kind of stuff i want to do more of okay carry on hey dlo long time listener first time caller i feel the internet mostly sucks now what do you think the last quote-unquote good year of the internet was or is it still mostly good in your opinion you know i was thinking about this a little while ago i i think i've talked to you about this already luke but I am now, I think, almost two months clean of visiting the LTT subreddit, right?

2:55:36Luke Lafreniere:Okay, look at this. If you just look at, like, if I open a new tab, so I've got just, like, my all sort of that I check once in a while, Wall Street Bets, which is a guilty pleasure. And there's usually only, like, four threads a day that are worth looking at. So these are, like, combined, I don't know, a total of eight minutes of doom scrolling. uh, LTT store, whatever this is our, okay. So our asset system,

2:56:08Linus Sebastian:yeah.

2:56:09Luke Lafreniere:Electrack, eBay and nothing else. I visit like four sites, two of which are work.

2:56:21Luke Lafreniere:What do we, what do people even do on the internet anymore?

2:56:24Linus Sebastian:Other than like doom scroll. Yeah. Surfing is kind of dead.

2:56:27Luke Lafreniere:It feels that way. Doesn't it?

2:56:28Linus Sebastian:We've talked about this for a long time. I actually really, really, really miss a very old website called StumbleUpon. I remember that. StumbleUpon used to be really, really awesome. What is this? Mix?

2:56:49Linus Sebastian:Videos, website, picks, articles. I don't know what this is. This looks like AI stuff. How much money bet you're the product? One of the videos I went by was like a thousand percent an AI thing. I'm going to go away from this now. But yeah, StumbleUpon used to be, I loved StumbleUpon. It was so cool. And I remember when like people started using Reddit, I was like, that's so stupid. Why wouldn't I just use StumbleUpon? It's so much more interesting.

2:57:24Linus Sebastian:And yeah, I hate that it's basically just a few websites. It's there's been there's been some cool. I wish I could reference them right now, but I'm not going to remember them. That's the whole problem. But there's there's been some cool.

2:57:41Linus Sebastian:I sort of mentioned this earlier with vibe coded websites. Like there's a bunch of these like vibe coded info sites coming up, coming around like hardware hacking, which is becoming a bit of a theme lately.

2:57:54Linus Sebastian:and it's been kind of interesting because back in the day you had geo cities you had all these things that made spinning up these little microsites really easy and because that's become less popular those tools those systems have kind of faded away but with vibe coding you can kind of do it yourself again so there's this been this weird resurgence of me going to websites that are not the standard websites, which is odd, but kind of interesting.

2:58:33Like, no views on this stuff.

2:58:38Luke Lafreniere:But my body was, like, huge. Maybe I'm wrong. It actually goes to... Solid Finger Store. Go figure. All right. Oh, sorry. Newground's still a thing. Maybe this is actually David Firth. All right. Well, shows you what I know. FAQs.

2:59:03Linus Sebastian:But yeah, this small web thing is starting to kind of take off with sites linking to each other. Yeah, anyway. People keep posting this. What is it? This sucks. Okay, I don't know. Okay, got it. But yeah, it's interesting. I find mass consolidation of the web very sad, but... Yeah.

2:59:31Luke Lafreniere:man i used to have a burnt face man hoodie and uh apparently david first doesn't sell them anymore i think i uh there's like fan-made ones slashed ones that rip off his art but didn't i call somebody a bastard man like a thousand years ago and you are the only person i have ever met who was like is that a burnt face man reference a huge david virth fan jamie still calls me Mr. Salad Fingers and ask me how my spoons are doing. Nice. Slender man. Ask him if he's found my pages. Luke! Any cool tours you've been on recently that you can talk about? No. Alright then. Either secretive or really boring.

3:00:15Luke Lafreniere:You decide. Greetings WAN.DLL. Tech pants versus cargo pants in terms of stretchability and durability. My jeans tore every three months due to my fat uh and job requires me to do acrobatic moves will buy your recommend um man i don't know you might want the flex pants the ones i'm wearing right now actually um they still have pretty good pocketing like there's uh hold on there's like there's one here there's two here there's one on the back there's one here there's another one here like they're yeah they're pretty strong in terms of pocketing and they're like quite quite stretchy um i don't do we still oh do we still carry them that would be awkward if i recommended a thing that we don't have uh flex pants do we have them i thought i clicked bottoms oh hold on pants oh goodness well uh huh are they on the bstock site what was it called again lmg.gg slash um we have a clever name for it do you remember dan for the bstock yeah for the bstock site we launched it this week what's it called again oh it's just power outlet yeah lmg.gg slash outlet there yeah it's not it's not a separate site now

3:01:51Linus Sebastian:oh i thought it was going to be lttstore.collection.com slash collection slash outlet

3:01:57Luke Lafreniere:oh okay well apparently these are gone so yeah cool um maintaining extra sites sucks i would say between the two of them which has more stretch the cargo pants don't have stretch i would go with the tech pants then if you need stretch okay carry on hit me dan hey limited liability and dompany linus how is your sonos amp based home audio setup going much better now that i found the toggle to turn off sonos net so i went through and painstakingly hardwired all of my sonos amps only to have my family complain to me that the music cuts out and glitches out, takes forever to start playing. And I was like, what the?

3:02:45Luke Lafreniere:Why? There should be no reason for that. It's all wired networking. And then I learned about SonosNet, a proprietary garbage network that Sonos devices set up instead of just using the proper f***ing network that I give them. And I turned it off. And everything's better now. I still don't like that I don't have proper integration with YouTube music like I did back with Google Play Music so that I would never have to open the Sonos app I used to be able to be in Google Play Music listening on my headphones and just be like no actually cast to my living room and boop it was good to go but hey if the solution to that is just using machine vision or something or location of my phone inside my house and having like an AI Jarvis do it for me then I guess i can figure that out i just wish i didn't have to cheers dan luke you said you enjoy drifting in forza as someone with real life drifting experience i love grid have you tried it an in real life drifter knew i was too when they saw me faint drift oh that's really cool

3:03:51Linus Sebastian:actually that's sick um no i i if i remember correctly they have there's a grid coming out soon that I was excited for? Oh, I think it's like the off-road one. I haven't tried drifting in grid at all. But that's cool. Maybe I'll check it out. Sweet. Heck yeah. Hey guys, how goes the Linux challenge? Or does it even go anymore? Luke, you've been following

3:04:18Luke Lafreniere:Wendell's Council of AI saga.

3:04:21Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I've always been a watcher of Wendell videos. I don't think I've been as avid of a watcher of Wendell videos as I am now ever before. It's been, the stuff he's been doing has been fantastic.

3:04:38Linus Sebastian:The Linux challenge has been over for a while. I think all three of us are still using it to some degree.

3:04:44Luke Lafreniere:I just switched back to Windows yesterday, but only because I was on the Average Not Average podcast last week and I was getting some issues with my with my cam link my video capture was like glitching out and I haven't had time to diagnose it and I had the stream yesterday the like birthday stream for float plane and it was easier for me to unplug my steam machine in like the original steam machine thing and just like plug into my desktop which I had already switched back over to Windows but had never actually started using again so it was just out of I needed something to work and I knew that I had already figured out how to make it work on Windows, not that there's no way for me to make it work on Linux and I'll probably go back to my SteamOS machine immediately.

3:05:33Linus Sebastian:I'm just dual booting on all my machines. I am very likely to just ditch the Windows distro on my laptop.

3:05:41Luke Lafreniere:I love that you just called Windows a distro. Get f***ing wrecked, Microsoft.

3:05:48Linus Sebastian:There's just no reason for me to use it anymore. I haven't booted into it once since the Linux challenge started. I've never needed to. It is just slower, more intrusive, and more intrusive both in the data that it's taking from me, but how I actually meant that word when I said it was in regards to like pop-ups and junk coming up and it just being really annoying. If I need to update the system, it goes really fast. It doesn't bother me about it. I can restart it whenever I want. The restarts are faster. um it's in regards to i need to get into my system launch something get work done and then close my laptop and go away i need it to not bother me it is just significantly better than windows was uh i'm running mint so it's an incredibly simplified straightforward streamlined setup no it's not as powerful as other options but i don't care it's a work laptop so i yeah that is just permanently staying as of right now on my desktop i am dual booting and i'm definitely going to be staying dual booting um i games brother enjoy the caching experience more not actually not the biggest problem it's other stuff oh screen sharing on oh linux is so bad

3:07:05Luke Lafreniere:that it can be problematic i have used solutions that just work i have also encountered extremely frustrating situations where they just don't and fuck you for asking so i i find that the obs

3:07:26Linus Sebastian:experience is a lot better on windows uh obs just freaking works on windows these days i haven't done an incredible amount of work on linux to or my my desktop os is cachey i haven't done an incredible amount of work on there to try to make it better just being honest but wow is it a lot better a lot faster if i just boot to windows and just run it as it is um i also find like a streaming setup getting messed up to for some reason to be one of the most frustrating things that can ever happen. It's really inconvenient and then you just won't stream. Yep. Because the barrier is so high. And if the barrier is rebooting into Windows and then starting the thing, the barrier is not that high.

3:08:14Linus Sebastian:So... And your games will just work anyway. Yep. So there's a lot less tinkering that needs to happen and like a problem that I was running into and there's probably a solution here, but the problem I was running into on Cashi was I'd open up OBS and all my screen sharing scene selection stuff would be reset. So I'd have to retarget it every single time. And they would all pop up all at once. And it was just very annoying because I was one who would set up quite a few different scene options. And it kind of embed a lot of things together. So there'd be a lot of screen sharing things that would come up every time.

3:08:52Linus Sebastian:It was very annoying. um so yeah that's if i'm ever going to be streaming for whatever reason i will i will go on to the old windows um i understand you can force at knife point davinci to work on linux but it's a lot easier to just kindly ask it on windows um instead so there's like there's creative applications are still having a problem. It's very cool that we have not solved, but massively improved gaming on Linux to the point where it's like very rarely a problem. That is awesome. The same thing has not been done for creative apps.

3:09:36Luke Lafreniere:So on my desktop,

3:09:38Linus Sebastian:I still need both, but I like living most of my desktop experience time on Cashi still. I'm still spending most of my time on cachey i spend maybe like one or two days a week in windows damn um but yeah my my work laptop is is permalynix and i i really don't see it ever going back and it has honestly nothing at all to do with like oh i don't like windows or they're taking too much of my data's like it is purely just a more productive gets out of my way more like all the things that a lot of people would point at linux and be like oh it's bad for these reasons it's way better than windows 4 in my work laptop situation i tinker with it less i do less with it yeah it gets in my way less often it's just like i don't know it's wild the biggest success for me has been that that laptop yeah last one i got for you today hey lld i work in

3:10:37Luke Lafreniere:it and recently we had to fire my boss for snooping through hr's emails turns out he had been doing it for a while nice what's the most unethical thing you've seen a co-worker do i'm so curious how i think the most unethical thing would be for either me or luke to answer this question

3:10:53Linus Sebastian:oh man but i want to so bad yeah wait wait for the book okay

3:11:00Luke Lafreniere:dude i've seen everything it's such a perfect question for that though okay i won't i have so many and most of them you know what no i'm gonna leave it there i have so many there's so many things that people don't know that i know yeah because it just you know wasn't worth it to have the conversation ultimately for some reason or another but like the number of people and the number of incidents where they don't know that i know is like crazy and like you can tell when someone doesn't know you know because they'll be all indignant or they'll be all like angry or you know whatever like why are you and it's like we're not gonna talk about dude i already figured this

3:11:48Linus Sebastian:out yes can i can i anonymize the one that we're probably both thinking of there could be any of a

3:11:56Luke Lafreniere:dozen that i'm thinking of right now quite honestly um all right no that's fine it's not worth it it's not worth it all right it's not leave it alone this was a very funny bait though dan trying to get us both in trouble i i don't think it was a bait i just kind of wanted you to be like you might even call it a master bait i think it's really very good at that that an it

3:12:16Linus Sebastian:person's boss yeah was caught in a way that usually an it person would catch that person for? Does that make sense?

3:12:24Luke Lafreniere:Well, the IT person's boss is probably a manager, not an IT person. Just because they manage the IT department doesn't mean that that organization thinks they should be an IT person. Have you not seen the IT crowd?

3:12:36Linus Sebastian:Have you not seen our companies?

3:12:43Luke Lafreniere:Turn up Threadlocker so I can install Linux on the work laptop. And then they did.

3:12:49Linus Sebastian:I want to play Minecraft on the Wancho computer, please. Please.

3:12:58Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. It's just, it is interesting. It is interesting to me. Yeah. Because speaking of, of that, I think that is true here to a certain degree, but I have caught people using those tools. And it's just interesting that like someone who is aware, because we've, I've, there's been a bunch of it updates where I tell, our people to include a blurb at the bottom of like this thing that we're doing could be maliciously used in these ways we do not intend to use it in these ways right you should be aware that this data exists and like therefore blah blah blah luke and i have talked about a few of them that we know about and it's like you gotta stop man i've had to go up to people and be like stop giving me that information i'm not even like just because they put their personal data in their work stuff that is sometimes yeah sometimes it's real bad um or at least could be or could be yeah but like it's just it's interesting to me that someone who must have been that intimately familiar with what those tools can do was doing that if that makes sense someone asked for an example from

3:14:10Luke Lafreniere:ncix oh man i mean i'm sure it was all pretty it was all pretty normal unethical behavior Selling OCZ RAM. Okay, listen. Most of it worked. I have been burnt by them and I will... I was the OCZ PM. Okay, Linus. Hell.

3:14:31Linus Sebastian:Hell, 1 ,000 years. Just the way Dan said Linus, you could feel it.

3:14:40Luke Lafreniere:I'm going to get up and you might not make it home. I'm sorry. I feel like it was a lot of the usual stuff, like purchasing managers, you know, saying like, hey, yeah, do you have any, you know, new GPU launches coming up? Are there any kicking around the warehouse? Hint, hint, wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Or like vendor reps coming into town and, you know, buying a super, super expensive dinner with our people just so that they can eat a super expensive dinner. Oh, dude, that's so common. Well, drink a super expensive dinner more like. That is so common. Okay, actually, this is one that's a little beyond that.

3:15:20Luke Lafreniere:I had a manager, not one that works here,

3:15:27Luke Lafreniere:who, a story circulated about them. I wasn't there, so I don't know for sure if this is true. I won't be naming any names. But who allegedly asked at the end of the meal for a brand, big brand, one of the largest companies in the world now, to buy a couple more bottles of wine and then just took them. They weren't really for the meal, they just took them. And they were very fancy, from my understanding. So I'd say that's pretty bad.

3:16:00Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I don't know. But mostly your usual stuff.

3:16:05Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I mean, in my experience, it's just smaller scales of the same thing. Yeah. people at Best Buy talking newly released things behind boxes in the warehouse yeah yeah

3:16:17Luke Lafreniere:that kind of stuff

3:16:17Linus Sebastian:it's the same kind of deal to be clear

3:16:19Luke Lafreniere:like not none of this is good but it's not there's no dead bodies it's very average yeah no dead bodies yeah

3:16:30Luke Lafreniere:oh that's it that was all I got wow we'll see you again next week guys same bad channel same bad time same bad my bad brain I'm tired badminton Oh, oh shoot.

3:16:42Linus Sebastian:I'm playing tonight. He's gotta go pretty soon. They're on time, right? Bye I'm the guy my boss was Ike director.

3:16:51Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, yeah, twitch would like to wish you a happy belated birthday Who? I don't know.

3:16:56Linus Sebastian:Also the YouTube chat was being homies today There's spam and minecraft in the YouTube chat. They were so Thanks YouTube you guys are cool