My TV Demo Failed - WAN Show January 16, 2026

39:19Is it actually in stock? Let's see. Yeah, because if it's not in stock, then we need to do better. We check stock once a day. Okay. Oh, it's in stock. At Descartes. At Descartes. Brilliant. And it says on there when it was updated, so it was updated today. Is the Intel Holiday Bundle on B &H? Because it's another, so that's$260, which I still consider to be within striking distance of MSRP. Yes. I count that. And that has the bundle. Yeah. Okay, I don't know if we have a B &H affiliate code, but that doesn't matter right now. What matters is you get a... I think we do. Oh, well, okay. Anyway, the point is, go pick up a reference, or not a reference, but like a...

39:58Whatever, what does Intel call their founders? Click the buy now button through the labs website. Yeah, lttlabs.com. I don't know if we do or not, but just... CatOS says we do. I can get it one sec. CatOS, you don't even work here. Why do you do this? Ah, Flipplane Dan is here, and he said that we do. I don't know what it actually is, but if you click the buy now button on the lab site, it'll work. Sick. Did I miss anything, Dan? Did I say it all properly? That is super cool. That is going to dramatically increase the utility of the lab's website over time. I'm very excited. The lab's website just keeps ticking along.

40:37Keeps ticking along. Keeps getting a little bit better. A little bit better. A little bit better. I'm very excited. There is more coming soon. Like Dan said, I don't want to say specifics yet because I like to just show them to you when they're here and ready. But there is more coming soon regarding pricing stuff. We're planning on doing cool things. But yeah, for now, it's a pretty quick way to price check. All right. Well, at least you can still get a B580, which I remind you guys is a perfectly cromulent gaming card for darn near MSRP.

41:08I'm pretty down that the 57 ETI is not a thing anymore Because I really liked that I felt like it was really the sweet spot in NVIDIA's lineup How about on the AMD side? Let's actually have a look That gets a little bit more difficult on the lab's website Because like I said, we don't have a ton of GPUs Yeah, yeah, that's fine So we're going back to looking at Newegg Looking at Newegg Can't share a screen, so I'm trying to verbally Yeah, sorry guys He's currently scrolling on the Newegg website after searching for 9700 XT. Yeah, the... With an in-stock filter? No, I can't read. This is HR block.

41:44Wait, what? Don't worry about it. Best deal right now is probably the Sashrock Challenger for$730. That's a 9070 XT. So that's substantially more than the BS MSRP that AMD fed to everyone. but is I would take this over a 5070 Ti for$1 ,000. At the same price, I would take the 5070 Ti, no question, especially seeing how good DLSS 4.5 is. Have you tried it yet? No. You have 40 series, don't you? Yes. Okay. If DLSS 4.5 is as good as I think it is, we might owe you an upgrade sooner than I thought. It's like a game changer. Wait, what do you have? I had the thought. My rig still feels pretty good.

42:31Oh, you have a 4080. My rig feels pretty good. There isn't really a game that it struggled in yet. I was thinking the other day, is it time? And I think years-wise, it technically is. But there's not that many new GPUs. I think we hit you pretty early in the 40 series life cycle. Based on the year, I think so. Because it feels pretty good. I'm not going to push to get an upgrade when it still feels like a pretty smoking machine. I don't know. I guess if we just want to farm the content, it's fine. But, like, it's, yeah. There's nothing it struggled in. I just crank settings on everything, whatever.

43:07Oh, yeah. And I think, yeah, 4.5, as long as you don't care about the frame gen aspect, which I suspect you don't, it should run just fine on 40 series. I think it's just 30 series and 20 series that it really struggles on because they just don't have a powerful enough NPU to make the most out of it. At least that's my understanding of it. it's quite possible that you know the the elite hacksaws out there are going to find a way to just sort of make it work better or something and that's so cool and i i empower to them i can't actually see it because it's covered in moss but i think it's the noctua edition 4080 that makes sense yeah yep that makes a lot of sense uh noah then asks what hoodies are these announced yet yes they are they're gone are they i'm pretty sure they were gone immediately like they sold out like very fast oh oh yeah like i think xls were gone in like 24 hours oh yeah we only have smalls and mediums in stock uh sorry uh are we planning to bring them back i've been poking this i wasn't able to attend one meeting that they theoretically had about it so i'm not sure what might have happened there okay but i tried to say that maybe we should just have the sweater always be available because it's like really cool always is tough because when something's always available we talked about this in the pre-show there's no tension then there's no there's no there's no see uh i don't want to like it's like that thing where when you don't do any of the cool things in your own town and then you travel and do all the stuff that's there yes because it's always available when you're at home yes so there's no like pressure to actually do it but when you're traveling somewhere then you're like well i'm only going to be over three days I gotta do everything I can so it's not that we're trying to like capitalize on FOMO but we also don't want to have tons of boxes in the warehouse not moving yeah and it's already restricted skew because you like have to be a flow plane sub and if you weren't a flow plane sub but bought the flow plane hoodie that might be kind of weird maybe not that weird because it's actually just a really cool hoodie at the very least maybe what we could do is another drop and yeah maybe what we could do is another drop yeah i just think it's awesome i think it's the coolest full point merch we've ever done so and like it's just a really nice hoodie so yeah maybe if it comes back every once in a while that'd be pretty sweet cool all right uh dan you might just have to like tell us what we're sure you could get through another topic how does that sound you do another topic yeah why don't we do another topic how about um oh uh how about just a short update topic the daily motion ownership thing is kind of a deeper rabbit hole than we thought yeah yeah so after our discussion uh redditor pie plots made a post kind of um enlightening us on the depth of this whole situation tldr we were looking at it going daily motion what is this this is like obviously a money furnace right yeah and the tldr and maybe you could link it maybe dan could you link his post in the chat um tldr it's not about making money it's about having a platform for um the content that's put out by other parts of the bolareg group's media empire which is attempting to influence the tone of discourse in french media particularly around politics so it's less about anyone actually watching videos on Dailymotion or it being profitable and more about just flooding just just flooding the internet with a particular type of content so huge massive yikes if this is true and I haven't seen anything here to indicate that it's not true does make insanely more sense Oh, yeah.

46:55Because Dailymotion has always been very confusing to me, and it was kind of a known factor that something had to be going on, but I just had no clue what, and this makes so much more sense. Lex from 724 on Floatplane Chat. Oh, propaganda loss leader. Yippee. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Have you ever logged into Twitter and noticed that you don't follow Elon Musk, but his tweets are always right at the top of your home feed? If I'm in Twitter, I'm going to the bell as fast as I can Or the little mail icon Speaking of Tesla Apparently they are discontinuing The full-on-out purchase of full self-driving Before they ever actually delivered it Absolutely brilliant Big Tesla moment Elon Musk announced that on February 14th Tesla Full Self Driving will only be available as a monthly subscription instead of allowing people to purchase it outright.

47:58Currently, the Full Self Driving package costs$8 ,000 and the monthly subscription is$100 a month. That means that if you subscribe for six years and eight months, it will cost you more than paying the$8 ,000 outright, which honestly sounds like an awful long time. Seems not as bad. Yeah, the subscription, well, okay. It's all relative, right? It would be terrible for me. Compared to paying$8 ,000 for a beta,

48:37paying less than$8 ,000 for just four years of a beta, I guess, is... It's not as egregious as I expected, but I'm trying to think, like, if I look at my car, you know, my car came out in 2009. If you wanted this thing to still have full-stil driving, it's completely fine. Yeah. You'd still be paying$100 a month. That sucks. I'd obviously way rather buy that up front. It's a boil the frog move. Yeah, I get that. My thing is most boil the frog things don't take six years and eight months. I am a little surprised. No, meaning boil the frog in terms of like changing the pricing over time because it's not going to be$100 a month forever.

49:15We're intended to see this change and go, well, that's not actually that bad compared to charging you$8 ,000 for a beta product anyway, which is like obviously a sort of it's like it's almost like a bad faith comparison. It's like, yeah, it's not that bad compared to genocide. It's like, well, right, yeah, but like that was that was already not good So you put the bar here and then went yay. I cleared it And it will probably get worse Elijah quipped here This is his topic full self-driving doesn't even work as promised and he's already taking away the ability to purchase it LMAO Yeah, that's um, that's pretty rough man.

50:03I I gotta say, I've been really enjoying my time with the Comet AI when it works great. Are you still doing that? I've had issues with it lately, so I haven't been using it lately. The update that it was on when I first started my daily driving, literally, the Comet AI advanced driver assist thing in that Toyota Corolla. We did the part one video, and then the part two video where I use it for an extended period of time is still pending. I got a software update on it that made it stop getting to speed. Can you roll back? I don't know. I haven't actually looked into that. And from my point of view, should I have to do that?

50:47It is a pretty... See, that's always a question I ask myself. With something like an iPhone, if there's some hacky way to roll back to a previous iOS or something, I go, no, that's not the iPhone experience. That's not representative. I wouldn't do it, even if I could. For something like this, I think that argument falls apart a little bit. I think that this is clearly a hacky product for early adopters. Yeah, like the founder of that company, I feel like would embrace that type of mentality. However, it also just does seamless OTA updates and just work seamlessly. So if that's the case, and it even offers two different versions that you can activate the more experimental branch and the stable branch so when both and and the stable branch to be clear gets up to speed better but it doesn't do red light detection or stop sign detection which i was really enjoying and really liked so i want to use the experimental branch and also i have a second car that i can just drive when it's not working properly so the friction around using it got a lot higher because i just don't find it as useful when it's basically just radar cruise control um sorry this is becoming a very long rambly way to say i think i could without compromising the integrity of that video but also i don't want to i don't think i should have you said you have another car can you just drive that car without using it i can but like why no i hear you i'm just saying i'll just if this was a normal oh yeah oh 100 You just not turn it on but in my in my mind if something is like Kludgy enough that I don't want to turn it on then I'm gonna have a real hard time recommending somebody spend a thousand dollars on it for sure I was just trying to figure like how debilitating is this for no no, it's just annoying Yeah, yeah, it's just it just sucks because it was working so well and then it stopped working so well totally I don't think anybody likes that when that happens, right?

52:47So I think they have new hardware, so what we're planning right now is to expand this video to be daily driving the first gen hardware and also trying the second gen hardware but maybe that should be two videos i don't know maybe i'm maybe i'm overthinking it you know i'll get with jordan when when we get back to the office and we'll kind of chat through what the plan for it is but that to me sorry where i was going with this is i would much rather just throw a comma assuming that they continue to make the kind of progress that they have in my tesla and have it do, I wouldn't say 90%, but in fact, I'm not going to give a percentage because I haven't daily driven a Tesla with full self-driving and maybe, and I was thinking like I was really enjoying the comma.

53:33Maybe that's the next thing that I should try is I should borrow a Tesla and just, you know, subscribe to the package for a little bit and, and try daily driving that. Maybe it'll totally change my mind about it. Maybe I'll say, yeah, the marketing is BS. and I you know don't love a lot of the things that the company does but this is totally worth $100 a month if you you know have this kind of a commute I'm open to having my my mind changed Pawncracker says please no I mean guys please know what I'm like if something is good my job is to say it's good and also here's all the things that are you know really destructive about the attitude of this company or whatever the case may be but for me to just put my hands over my ears and close my eyes and go la la la la la this thing doesn't exist that's not that's not constructive that's that's not my job right my job is to whether i like it or not i mean i i took a ton of flack this is great i still wouldn't buy one xyz reasons yeah i took a ton of flack for the DLSS 4.5 video that I made at CES.

54:40Linus Shill, Linus paid by NVIDIA confirmed, blah blah this, blah blah that. You know, he didn't even move the character. So the reason I didn't move the character in Black Myth Wukong was because they had spent a bunch of time getting the side-by-sides in exactly the same spot. You're 100 % allowed to move the camera, and they had another demo right next to it, where you could move the character to your heart's content, because they didn't have it just set up nicely side by side, but I took a ton of flack for saying that DLSS 4.5 is really good because there is a subset of the audience that just does not want to hear it.

55:19They don't want to know they want real frames and they don't want upscaling and it's just like, but what's the benefit of that?

55:32of the frames or of not wanting of not wanting to know yeah knowledge is always worth it even if it's uncomfortable or painful you can decide i would still rather know things you can decide you don't like it and you cannot buy it but shouldn't you make that decision fully informed i think so sometimes you need to peer into the darkness even if it sucks well yeah exactly

56:03yeah knowing is always better 100 % agree PixelCat and my personal take on it is not the be all and end all either which is why we always say it's so important to get multiple takes someone else might look at DLSS 4.5 and go I don't like it it might be closer to ground truth so that like super super super uh highly sampled image that nvidia is is training on it might be closer to that but here are these aspects of it that i actually don't like or i find i find it over sharpened i prefer taa you know maybe someone maybe someone somewhere prefers the taa look right um i've had people tell me that they liked running their lcd at a non-native resolution because they they liked the sort of the free anti-aliasing oh i mean that's the thing right and that's that's their opinion that's their perception of it and that that it we can we can measure you know we can measure how many fps it is and we can measure the sharpness of the image against a reference image and how it's like supposed to look according to the artist's intent i mean it's the same thing with tv settings people turn on their vibrant mode they turn on motion smoothing we can we can objectively say that it's not as close to the artist's intent but if somebody likes it and then then they then they like it Dan says we ask them politely but firmly to leave.

57:39no no that's a king of the hill that's wild yeah the first thing I did when I was watching the broadcast of the tonight show last night was reconfigure my hotel TV put it in filmmaker mode filmmaker mode is like low key one of the greatest innovations in the tech industry in the last 10 years I'm so out of touch with TVs Oh, Filmmaker Mode is just... Like, he's been in a bag for four months. It's a one-button, turn off all the BS. Oh! Pretty much. The only thing that I tune after I put on Filmmaker Mode is I will usually set it to a neutral color temperature because I don't like the super warm look of, like, the Filmmaker Mode.

58:25They typically go, like, Warm 1 or even Warm 2, which is very yellow to my eye, and I really prefer a more neutral color temperature. i love filmmaker mode that's cool stinky toby says my 2160p monitor is almost always working as a 1440p screen they're out there guys and that's not even that crazy i mean i remember having a conversation with someone that wasn't you do you remember back when lg launched their first 5k display? Fegely? Yeah so it was weird because it ran at 5k over Thunderbolt on Mac because Apple had done some really cool engineering around their Thunderbolt ports so they had like linked in multiple DisplayPort links or something like that so that they could effectively do like a was it like a multi-tile thing what I don't remember exactly how they did it but essentially they had more lanes so that they could drive 5k 60 hertz before anyone else could off of their Thunderbolt ports.

59:27And so when you plugged it into a PC, it only ran at 4K60. And I remember, I forget who I was talking to, but I remember having a conversation with someone going like, we're at the point now where this pixel density is so high that I can run it at a non-native resolution and like, I don't even care because I think it was a 27-inch monitor at 5K or something like that. And so yeah, running a 4K display, assuming it's like a relatively small one at 1440p. I wouldn't call it free anti-aliasing. That I can't get behind, but I would say that it's really not that bad. But when I was telling the story earlier, I wasn't talking about that.

1:00:13You said back in the day, you said LCD screens. You're probably talking. I was talking, I was talking like 1080p at like 720p, which is butt. It's not good. McDouglas, no, no, no. 1440p is not 2K. Okay, this is something that I also, like McDouglas, get very triggered about. 2K is the cinema version of 1080p. It is 2048 by 1080. So it is nearly the same resolution as 1080p, so 1920 by 1080, it's just slightly wider, ever so slightly wider. If you want to have a K for 1440p, it would be 2.5K, because the K is how many pixels wide, and the P is how many pixels extended. Embiggened? Tall. Embiggened, I like that.

1:01:21I like that. Pumped. So, yeah, so it would be 720p, 1080p, 1440p, 2160p, right? Or it would be, whatever, 1.2k, right? It would be 2k, 2.5k, 4k. But it is worth noting that the Ks technically are different resolutions. So 4K as well is actually not 3840 by 2160, which is 2160p. 4K is actually 4096 by 2160. But I think I only ever saw like two monitors that used that resolution. The like the slightly wider cinema resolution. So we've kind of stolen the K naming, even though we're running into problems now because 8K is like 7632 by 42 -something. I can't. 42, whatever, 40-something. So the point is it's like 7.6K.

1:02:34like where it's kind of like when we used to round um hard drive capacities and especially memory and it's we reached the point where like uh like 64 gigs of memory has so much more in it that it's like the first two digits are not 64 anymore and it's like kind of a problem yeah is it 64 i know i know there's i know there's a point where they don't actually like the approximation is not actually approximate good enough anymore bit of bit says a lot of TVs use proper 4k very few I don't know that I've ever actually seen a TV you'll get ones that will display the 4k resolution to your GPU so they will allow you to output it and I would imagine that's just because TVs are meant to be used in a more cinema kind of environment.

1:03:29I actually like, or to be hooked up to more production type equipment. But in terms of how many physical pixels they have on them, they've got 3840 by 2160. If we're talking consumer TVs.

1:03:47Talking about consuming. Shall we talk about some CW stuff? Oh yeah, sure. We can talk about that. Dan, can they hear your voice? Yes, they can. Are we talking to a ghost? Okay, cool. That works. Where do I find that? Oh, God. Oh, it's at the top. It's in the top. If you want to hide something from me, you just put it in the most obvious place. I will never find it. Oh, this is fun. Wait, how are we going to show people anything? I have them because there's cameras here. Yay. Okay. The Cat Tips collection just got bigger. We're releasing three new Linus Cat Tips desk pads in aqua, black, and white, each with cats laying on the edges doing cat things.

1:04:33Same great quality as our other desk pads, so they don't slip around, they feel great, they track great, they have anti-fray edges, and they hold up awesome for everyday use. but now just so, so, so adorable and cat-like. These are awesome. There's more. We also have three new pins that are part of the Linus Cat Tips collection. The Calico Laptop, the Orange Cat and Mouse, and the Gray Cat PC Perch. Classic LTT store naming. The title of the product is exactly, exactly what it is. Gray Cat PC Perch. Yep. they're adorable on bags, jackets or a cork board and they let people know that you love both premium tech tips and top tier cat tips you can shop the collection at lmg.gg cat tips they are so cute there's also onesies we launched the onesies before though right?

1:05:37or are those new? I don't feel like I've seen these designs before specifically with the cat and sitting on the computer and stuff. Okay. Dan, can you show them the onesie as well? Yes. And there's underwear too. I thought I had seen these pictures before, but I don't remember actually seeing the cat print. It's hard for me to remember because I see them in the concept stage digitally, and then I see them in fabric strike-offs, and then I see them in physical samples, and then I see them on the store. I know we've for sure seen the Game On underwear before, or onesie before, but I don't know if we've seen the pixel perfect stuff.

1:06:16Alright Dan, make sure you show the people all the things these desk pads are freaking awesome, the onesie is super super cute and the underwear is the same high quality underwear you guys know and love but now with more cat

1:06:32Alright, what do you want us to do Dan? Well, what's a merch message? What happens if you buy something at the store? Oh, right, right, right, right, merch messages so if you're happening to pick up some of these stuff or if you want to interact with the show we don't do twitch bits we don't do super chats we do merch messages we believe here at LMG slash float plane slash creator warehouse slash whatever other companies we have going on right now that when you throw money at your screen you should get something in return in our case high quality merchandise so all you got to do to send a merch message into the show is add something to your cart on LTT store.com like maybe a new desk pad or some fancy pins for your ltt backpack and then you will see a little drop down that you can expand to send a merch message you can send it anonymously or you can send your name and you will go to producer dan who i assume will put himself up for a second and wave cool i assume he's doing that because i don't actually have the preview of the Yep.

1:07:37Can't see what he's doing. Cool. Good chat. Anyway, the point is it'll go to producer Dan, who will flash it up on the screen if you have like a shout out for someone or who will reply to it himself or who might curate your merch message for me and Luke to reply to. So why don't we do a couple of merch messages and show the people how it works? Yeah, sure. First one up here is actually cat related. Did you decide yet if the tech house will get a cat and how would you name it? Oh, I would love for the tech house to have a cat, but I also do recognize that cats are more about maintenance than actually getting a pest problem under control if it's a serious one.

1:08:23and I also having lost a couple of cats that were outdoor cats to something you know you never know stolen eaten run over who knows right like I microchip and tattoo all my pets but it just seems like it's too much work for people to scan the back of the neck for a microchip and call you and let you know your cat's dead or whatever I don't know I haven't had great experiences with it over the years. I don't think I'd be super comfortable with it being an outdoor cat, but I don't see how we could have an indoor cat at a house that we aren't living at and at regularly. So if there's a way for us to do it then great, but if there's no way for us to do it then there's just no way for us to do it and we'll just hire a pest control service and deal with the rodent infestation that way.

1:09:15Hi, DLL. Attending my first whale land this February. Super excited. However, I don't really know what to expect. Can you give me an idea of what it'll be like? Well, I don't know if you've been to a general land party before, but it's not 100 % like that. We try to do a bit more of a guided experience. We try. There's oftentimes a theme of what people might be doing. and sometimes they do the theme and sometimes they don't yeah we want to get toward it's a progressing event we're we're moving towards more of a kind of guided experience more participation or more like like activations for you to just go and do regardless of you know what kind of computer you have or what games you own because those are major obstacles at pretty much every LAN that I've ever been to.

1:10:09I don't have this game. I don't have a computer that can run this game. We find that a lot of people end up going to LANs and then sitting at their computer alone, scrolling. Back in the day, the meme was scrolling Facebook, but like scrolling whatever. I thought the meme was playing WoW. Oh, no, I was going to say that as well. So there was either like sit on some social platform that you know you just brain rot on when you're at home or play some game alone that you just play alone at home. And the meme was always wow um so it's like it's it's one of those two things so what we're trying to defeat is that cycle and one of the ways that you can do that is actually kind of taking the personal computer part out of the land um which is a little bit weird but if you walk up to a section of uh yeah just for a while um if you walk up to a section that is uh you know 10 computers five on one side five on the side facing each other and there's four different games installed and they're all 5v5 games and in line waiting to go sit there which doesn't take way too long you can chat with the people in line and form up two teams of five try to find some balance in there pick which game you're going to play when you sit down you all just actually lock in play that game to whatever state of completion and then go out and go do something else which is cool yeah because doing that properly even like a few times at a LAN is often very difficult but with this setup which again we're not fully ready for but we're moving towards it um it it gets significantly more natural we want to lower the friction so I had a setup at the last one that was a big projector with um 5v5 tape to tape yeah so it's like a top-down hockey game that is an absolute blast with a full, because to my knowledge, and maybe I'm missing something here, but to my knowledge, no one's ever done a full humans versus humans local hockey game before.

1:12:15Full? I seriously doubt because of goalies. Even if you don't include goalies, probably not. Like, is anyone aware of this?

1:12:28um i i don't see anyone in chat who who knows of knows of a game like that yeah i did it online yeah online but like but like 10 people abreast on a couch like going at it and like no i i don't think that's uh i don't think that's an experience uh that is is yeah we've had quite a few but not the whole set and yes it's really dumb so we want to move towards experiences that are not that easy to have on your own and i saw someone's comment that it sounds like a fascist land and defeats the purpose of a land and it's like it's literally the opposite that's totally that's totally cool if you are not into that and what makes it not fascism is that you could go to a different land and like we're yeah we're we're trying to accentuate the idea of the benefits of being in person yeah because it's not the other way around if you're if you're there in person i assume that the goal in some recess of your mind was to make a human connection um and if you don't want to do that that's totally cool and if you want to scroll facebook or solo, you know, something in WoW or whatever.

1:13:46There's like so many other places that you could do that. And you're so welcome to do that in those other places. But the goal is to turn Whale Land into something that is more like an event that encourages active participation. It was always the ones that I ended up having the most fun at, even if it wasn't the activity that I personally gravitated towards either. Yeah. Yeah. One thing, Dan, is did the camera or anything get worse? Like eating your socialization vegetables. No, no, my laptop's in battery saver mode. Oh, God. Is it all good? Mine won't even charge for some reason. Maybe that's why it did.

1:14:27Okay, in that case, just take this back, and maybe I just don't have a laptop for the rest of the show. Solid. What happened, Dan? It probably just dropped you from the scene that I had, but you didn't lose audio or anything. Oh wait, no, I think my wife is sleeping. Hey Sammy, do you have a, oh, were you sleeping? No. It's okay if you were. No, I wasn't. What's up?

1:14:58My eyes are small. That was the most, yeah, I was sleeping, but I don't want to say anything answer. I'm like, ever heard.

1:15:12I don't care. I'm not judging you. Were you sleep? Oh, no, man. What's up, dude? I was just resting my eyes. My eyes are just... Do you have a fat power brick? Find a chance that I could borrow? If I throw something, you can catch it. Yeah, I can catch it. Overhand? Underhand? And... Oh! Buddy's about to throw this frickin' thing at me overhead. That was crazy. You could've caught it. You could just slide it. No, that works. Anyway, um, alright, let's plug that in. And then, oh, I will need yet another cable. Thankfully, I brought a bunch of LTT cables. Why don't you? No, I got more cables, don't even worry.

1:16:02This WAN show powered by LTT cables. Both laptops are powered by LTT cables. The mic's plugged in with an LTT cable. The camera's plugged in with an LTT cable. The light's plugged in with an LTT cable. And how reliable have the cables been? It's been going great. I was, this is a genuine interaction that happened before the show, but I was having issues with my Elgato microphone here and was like, this isn't going to change anything, but I'm just going to do it anyways. And plugged it in with an LTT cable and it worked. That is probably just because the other cable was busted. Live unboxing of LTT cable.

1:16:38Oh, the box is kind of nice. Yeah, right? Is that a super long one? Two meters. Yeah, that's pretty long. So it kind of fills the box. Yeah, buddy. So they come with a little cable tie, as you might expect. Got a little LTT on there. Question for you. I've noticed cables ship with the caps on the ends. But no one keeps the caps on the ends once they're out in the wild. Yeah, I know. I think it's one of those things where it's like, if you don't, remember, these are going to be shipping by sea. They will be sitting on the ocean for weeks at a time. It's kind of like the plastic bags on the backpacks.

1:17:20So inside the box, they have to be in a plastic bag. and I have gone back and forth with everyone who could possibly help me achieve some other solution multiple times and the answer is they need to be in plastic bags because they're going to sit on the ocean and that's just how it works got it I'm like okay salt and and corrosion and nasty and potential container leakage and just they're like yep it's just not worth it um keep it wrapped for protection. It's good advice. Yep. It's just plain and simple. Anyway, the cables are coming soon. Oh, right. So I wanted to talk about the issue that you were having with the Elgato.

1:18:04We have a full video coming for the launch of the LTT cables in the next little while here. And we get into this in a little bit more depth. But you may not realize how many of the cables in your life work, but would fail a cable signal integrity test. Because this cable that I was using to attempt to use the microphone with, I've been using to charge my phone for the last at least three or four days? Yep. And so we discovered when we were going through, I think it ended up being over two dozen potential partners for our cables. We ended up finding that, yeah, well, oh man, how do I say this without, I don't want to throw anyone under the bus but basically we went through dozens of partners and until we found the one that we are partnered with every single one of them managed to submit cables for our evaluation that might work but would fail a signal integrity test or some kind of aspect of of our of our cable testing and when one would let's see one bad cable that's that's not the of the world every every manufacturer makes a dud once in a while um but when we found one that failed like the the the the six foot usb c to a or a to c or c to c or whatever like a particular variant usually it was that entire batch all of the cables of that type that also failed yeah and that yeah that's that's going to be a problem for us that's not gonna that's not gonna fly for us Yeah, this one, like this cable that failed for me is some random generic that has no strain relief on the end and has been shoved into my pocket for a long time.

1:19:57So it's like, whatever. And people probably don't realize how many of the cables in their lives work because most of those cables would still work when you plug them into things, but are relying on USB's built-in error correction in order to function. So you might not be getting the maximum speed, or you might be running into reliability problems that you blame on your devices, but are actually down to your working cable that works fine on this device, not working fine on another device that uses a different USB controller and is maybe not as resilient to the types of signal integrity issues that the cable is causing.

1:20:34So we've learned a lot about cables. I think this project took a total of four years. yeah um we probably could have done it faster but we learned a lot about everything from just like supply chain to certifications to standards to quality just everything seems simple until you try to do it at scale with quality and you have to like stand behind it with a warranty and that sort of thing and then all of a sudden it's like oh yeah no it's not simple nothing's simple everything's complicated yeah yeah gotta love it yeah gotta love it where are we at now dan more topics do more topics okay well luke's on topics because my laptop reached such a low state of discharge that it will still not unhappy about turning on another thing that's unhappy is meta lays off more than 1 000 employees from metaverse division uh very cool to name your company after that maybe you should call your company smart glasses or something face glasses um they also shuttered three vr studios where else would you put glasses good question uh meta's vr division one one for only zuckerberg himself i believe uh meta's vr division reality labs has laid off over a thousand people in an internal memo meta ceo andrew bosworth said meta will refocus on its metaverse efforts on other products in the future, such as wearables.

1:22:12Okay. Yeah. Okay. I suspect that means reassigning developers, but who knows. Reality Labs has lost more than$70 billion since 2021, according to Engadget. The three VR studios that have closed are Armature, who ported RE4 to the Quest, Resident Evil 4. Sansaru, who made Asgard's Wrath. And Twisted Pixel, who released Marvel's Deadpool VR. It just says released. Don't know if they made it. Meta claims internally that it remains committed to supporting the games industry. Just not to the tune of losing$70 billion in five years, I guess. That makes sense. discussion question how many hungry children can 70 billion dollars feed um i legitimately don't know but it sounds like a lot i suspect quite a few i just it's not really how that works but yeah it's not really how that works i i do understand you kind of have to try things as a company yeah i did meme on them very much when they were going down this road and i think everyone did and renaming the company meta was hilarious it still is hilarious It's still funny today.

1:23:29But, yeah.

1:23:33Meh. And I mean, I'm not surprised they're saying, like, we're refocusing the Metaverse efforts on other products in the future, such as wearables. Because their wearables, like, nobody seems to be able to touch them, which is wild. Oh, yeah. Dude, have you seen, like, the video quality off of their glasses? It's nuts. It's insane for, like, how big it is. Yeah. Like, it's so good that I kind of wish their phone hadn't sputtered and failed. Not that I would ever want to use them at a phone. Yeah. But just their camera is so good. Yeah. Like, I don't know, dude. They seem to be kind of, I guess when you just have, where am I going with this?

1:24:21They have so much money to put into just making technology that it seems like in the long term they kind of can't fail too hard. Have you ever heard of a company called Microsoft? I mean, well, Microsoft is only the second most valuable company in the world right now. Yeah, but their hardware launches historically are just garbage.

1:24:52I mean, they've had some really cool hardware. They have had some very cool hardware. They've made some very questionable choices. How much would you love to see Microsoft come back to gaming mice? That'd be pretty cool. That was a really legendary mouse. Oh, yeah. Like extremely. It was very coveted by Star Trek players. The one with the little red thing at the back? Like that original? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I really liked the what's it called the Zune I actually really liked that I never had one but I had the software and the software was actually just awesome I really liked it there's been cool Microsoft stuff they just like I don't know they don't seem to be able to figure it out I can't like what hardware right now other than like Xbox controllers specifically and even then they're starting to get lapped on by the aftermarket oh dude little brother controllers are the new big brother controllers like some of those i was just but i we i think we have to admit that they had dominance on like amazing controllers that were just usable and just worked yes for a very long time yeah on the pc side so they so they kind of dunked in regards to controllers but outside of that like what hardware stuff have they launched that has actually done well long term they've effectively lost the console race at this point yeah surface just basically out surface seems to be a low priority now yeah kind of shadow of itself they've gone back to just it was do it was like it felt like surface was gonna really be a thing there for a bit yeah and then it feels like they lost focus and it is fading again uh windows phone disappeared zune was fantastic but disappeared links i thought that was a software thing but okay no wasn't that like they're conferencing stuff oh was it yeah there was hardware associated with it if I recall correctly sure links is a tablet okay sure the the surface thing the like really really cool art product that they made if you remember that oh like all in one computer yeah the cool that had such that was actually it was a very cool product that was exactly the product that I was thinking about when and I said questionable choices.

1:27:13Yeah. Because they went with like a last-gen mobile GPU or something like that. The hardware in it was super dumb. Yeah. But the screen and that dial thing that they had was so cool. Very cool. So cool. Zune, it was horrible. I don't know. Every single person I know that had one loved it. And the software was amazing. I had a Zune HD. It says HoloLens. Incredible. Yeah, like I think people really liked the Zune. I think saying that you hate it was horrible is actually a very unpopular opinion. It just didn't sell super well because everyone wanted an iPod. Yeah, everyone in chat is saying they loved their Zoom.

1:27:48Which doesn't mean that you were not allowed to not like it. No, for sure. I don't think it died because it was bad. I think it died because iPod existed and the whole world was like, oh my God, iPods are amazing. We're just going to buy iPods. I just love white earphones. But actually, Apple's always just been super fashionable. Yeah, I... yeah. It's kind of incredible how they managed to do that because over this span of time, just about... Like, can you imagine if FUBU still had the cultural appeal that they had, you know, back in the early 2000s, like Apple did? Like, you know, like you think about just like, is there anything else that back when the iPod was cool still has the same relevance today?

1:28:41that an Apple earphone or an Apple iPhone does? I feel like Apple relevance dipped there for a little bit. I said FUBU. It was like a fashion brand. Yeah, yeah. It was still higher than everything else, but I feel like it dipped there for a little bit, and these days is like screaming back somehow. What, FUBU? No, Apple. Oh. Apple fashionable. How fashionable Apple stuff is. These days, like the whole phone thing where you're just like actually not cool or accepted if you don't have an iPhone is like pretty intense. It wasn't that crazy all that long. All that long ago. Hold on. Are they just like gone?

1:29:20I think they might just be gone. That's crazy. What the heck is FUBU? It sounds like a streaming service. It kind of does. FUBU is like sixth grade. Nice. Nice. Solid. What the? Oh, okay. There's an Instagram with 2 ,000 posts. new 2026 collection coming soon

1:29:44it's apparently still a thing no I'm not logging in but like alright it looks very old it looks like they're making the same stuff I don't know I think yeah I don't know no comment Cool. Do you want to do some more topics? Yeah.

1:30:14How about... 42 befuddled Amazon customers bamboozled by$999 RTX 5090 scam were sent fanny packs instead. Nice. What? A bunch of Amazon shoppers, 42 according to Tom's hardware, bought what looked like a$999 RTX 5090 GPU deal from a third-party seller's listing on Amazon, way below typical prices, which are climbing, as you might expect. When the packages arrived, they didn't contain GPUs at all. Buyers reported receiving fanny packs or other cheap items instead of RTX 5090s. Can I jump in for a moment? We have an Irish lady on our fashion team who, every time we discuss the idea of releasing a fanny pack...

1:31:09I can imagine. Bursts out laughing because, as she later informed us, fanny has an extremely different meaning in Irish slang. Yeah. And just the idea of us, a tech, you know, sort of YouTube channel merch retailer releasing a pack that has anything to do with a lady's fanny.

1:31:43Tickled her sense of humor.

1:31:48Anyway, sorry, carry on. This is not that. This is the kind that goes on your bum, which is what fanny means here. Yeah. The seller, Fitter's Niche Direct, had a high rating and used Amazon's fulfillment system, which made the scam look legit and kept the listing up even after complaints had started. The Tom's Hardware article wondered, did the seller succumb to the lure of quick profits during a high demand frenzy for graphics cards, or was the account compromised by a third party, turning a once reputable storefront into a scam operation overnight? Regardless, people People are now stuck disputing refunds with Amazon and warning others that suspiciously cheap 5090 listings can be outright scams.

1:32:31I try to avoid Amazon when I can. But even if you go to a lot of other stores these days, they're still like marketplaces. Like Best Buy is a marketplace when you shop online. It can be from other sellers. Everything's a marketplace. Marketplace all the things. tend to just not engage with that at all. I don't like it. If it's not literally from the brand of the store that I'm visiting, I would kind of just rather not. What's happening?

1:33:08Nothing.

1:33:12Just because, I don't know. I'm sure this really doesn't happen that often. I'm sure it's usually fine, but I just like to avoid it if I can. If it's fulfilled by the retailer, then it's usually fine. But it's usually not a good deal because as we've experienced, the selling fees and fulfillment fees that these marketplaces charge to third parties are so high that the economics of it just usually don't make any sense for those third parties.

1:33:45so it's I just don't trust it yeah is the bottom line yeah and the shipping costs are often so much higher than any deal that you're getting on the actual purchase price of the item is is offset by the shipping being in some cases like you know 150 dollars or whatever so they're luring you in with a price that's 50 dollars cheaper but then they're making it up on the shipping realistically And to be clear, there are situations where shipping is just expensive. I know we have a lot of people that get after us about shipping from LTT Store, for instance, but you can usually tell. Sorry. One of the discussion questions is, what is the worst you've ever been ripped off?

1:34:28And then in brackets it says, as a youth, I once accidentally bought drugs downtown when I thought I was giving someone change for a$50 bill.

1:34:41What? Who is this? Oh, okay. One of our new guys.

1:34:51I feel like that's a story that I really need to hear in more detail. Yeah, yeah. At some point. Yeah. I read that in the brackets. I was just like, what? Oh, man. But then if they gave you the money, how did you buy the drugs?

1:35:18I think I've told the story of the worst time I got ripped off. I cashed a check for someone in person. I went to the bank and withdrew money and gave it to them. And they gave me the check and endorsed it. And I put it in my account. It turned out to be a fake check. I was trusting and naive. And I've since learned that people are garbage and not to trust them at all. That sucks. Yeah, it sucks. I wish I didn't have to learn that. I wish I didn't have to learn that. I wish that me falling for that was not me being stupid. I wish that, you know, that was a bizarre exception that, like, shouldn't have happened to anyone.

1:35:58But unfortunately, that's not the society that we live in. I was young, and it was like a couple hundred dollars or a few hundred. It was like a lot of money for me at the time. sucks sucks oh ynco in float plane chat knows a thing or two about drug dealing and says fake bills drugs are folded inside so the fake bill amount is how much it sells for dan either i'm here we're good okay okay interesting that actually that's actually like super smart change for a 50 and then you give them 50 and they give you a wrapper yeah with drugs in it yeah and you know why do one crime of dealing drugs when you could do two crimes of also counterfeiting yeah yeah i mean you get away with like if you bought prop money maybe Could you get away with it because it's just prop money?

1:37:01Maybe. Maybe. It's like you're not allowed to sell food, but you can sell paper towels. So it just comes with a sandwich. Dude, yeah, there's some weird stuff with things like that. Really? Yeah, some venues, they'll be like, okay, you can't sell outside food. But they'll be like, okay, we're selling you napkins. And the napkin is$20. and if you buy the napkin it comes with a hot dog and a bottle of water for free. I respect the hustle. Yeah. Places do it like it's a thing. I respect it. It's not very common but I respect the hustle. You probably won't be invited back to that venue. Right yeah that makes sense.

1:37:45Anyways next one. Wikipedia has signed AI training deals with Microsoft Microsoft, Meta, and Amazon. I don't know why, but I wasn't expecting this. I can see... Sorry, maybe I should go through the thing first, but I can... No, I'm going to just talk about it first, and we'll see how it goes from there. I can see why they would do this, because realistically, they're all going to train off of it anyway, so they might as well be paid. and Wikipedia as an organization might as well be sustainable. I'm skipping to the end here, but I think this quote is good to go now. The last note we have on here is, here's a good Jamie Wales quote.

1:38:32I wouldn't really want to use an AI that's trained only on X. You know, a very angry AI, blah, blah, blah. I don't know. But I think what they're saying is, like, if we have good data and this stuff is just going to be a thing anyways, Maybe we should help them use the good data so it's not as bad. Well, let's walk through it. So they've struck licensing deals with major tech companies, including Microsoft, Meta, Amazon, Perplexity, and Mistral, to give them paid access to Wikipedia's huge library of articles for training AI models. The Wikimedia Foundation has not publicly shared the financial terms or exact amounts involved.

1:39:08This is a shift from scraping to commercial access, and these deals let companies use Wikipedia content through Wikimedia's Enterprise API at high speeds and volumes, replacing the old practice of pulling data off of the free site. The foundation hopes that the revenue that these AI partnerships creates will help cover rising server and infrastructure costs, costs that are at least partially driven by AI data scrapers.

1:39:38wikipedia's co-founder jimmy wales says he likes that ai models train on human curated content and sees working with ai firms as being better than blocking them as long as they help sustain the site so which is essentially pretty much what i what i what i said then yeah um which like i think this is someone taking a positive take to something that sucks but you know what i can respect that. If you were a Wikipedia contributor though, you're not paid, at least the vast majority are not paid, how would you feel about donating your labor to Wikipedia now that your work is at least indirectly fueling commercial AI products?

1:40:20I genuinely would bet on the idea that at least some contributors will bail. You think so? Yeah, I think so. Some people are very militant about AI and AI usage and AI training. Yeah, we've definitely seen that. That being said, at the top of every page in Wikipedia forever has been like, please, my goodness, donate. It's a site that gets a lot of usage. A lot of data flows through it. They need money. As far as my understanding goes, they don't need money as bad as it seems all the time. But still, they need funding. If this helps, that's neat. Like you said, they're going to get scraped anyways, for sure.

1:40:57Guaranteed already has been. Mr. GF says, can they remove the donate banners now? I guarantee you they won't. They won't. Because even if they could, if I were them, I wouldn't. I would keep it and I would build a bigger war chest because this AI bubble is going to either pop or significantly recede. And they're not going to want to like suddenly have to go back to being donation dependent and have people be out of the habit of seeing it and get all riled up about it again. And I would see them just continuing, staying the course. Maybe they don't push it quite as aggressively if they don't need to, but I don't see them changing that at all.

1:41:42Wanbingo asks, would you be open to having linustechtips.com scraped to have AI give better tech help? I mean, they already do. Well, ltdlabs.com already gets scraped out the freaking butt. What is it? Like, oh, man. Oh, I wasn't ready for this. There's two different services that are like very well-known public things that are like laying people off and slowly shutting doors because they can provably track that AI usage is just like literally destroying their companies. I don't remember. I know. Oh, man. Dan will know this immediately. Yeah. Tailwind. There we go. Of course, Dan, Dan, the float plane guy knows Tailwind.

1:42:27so tailwind that's a thing for because when you're doing ai assisted coding it's just doing it for you so like you don't need to use their service anymore so they've had to do like big layoffs and don't know if they'll be able to exist much longer really um and then uh stack overflow there we go oh my god of course someone said it um stack overflow is showing that their traffic is just like plummeting at a time where like more people than basically ever are doing like amateur coding because of being able to code with LLMs. Stack Overflow is going way down. You would expect the opposite, but they're doing with LLM support instead of searching through Q and A article things on Stack Overflow.

1:43:15It's been wild. Wild.

1:43:21Oh, Conrad in Floatplane Chat says, AI is really, really good at Tailwind. So if your AI is writing Tailwind, you don't need to view their docs, which is where Tailwind pushes their monetization. I see. Yeah, it's just, it's, that's the thing about disruptive technologies is that the disruption is not equitable. Yeah. and not always positive in the long term.

1:43:55Yuri Cornell says apparently Stack Overflow's usage is basically back where it started over 10 years ago. That's wild, dude. Yeah. That's wild. Okay. All right. Oh, I had actually wanted to do sponsors, Dan. Yeah, I also want to do sponsors. Let's just do sponsors. I'll deal with this. We're going to do sponsors and take that team's call another time I can. I'm just going to hang up on them. Okay, bye. Got them. Okay, the show is brought to you today by Vessi. The longest, darkest day of the year is behind us. But until a magical groundhog in Pennsylvania says otherwise, there's still plenty of winter left.

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1:47:17And that's a specific quote, but a bunch of people said genuinely effectively the same thing. And I find this is a really interesting topic because

1:47:28that is being used and not by this individual and i'm not trying to call this individual out that is being used as a justification to effectively shutter the source of where a lot of this information came from and promote and use the thing that took all the information and taking what is unfortunately a very human real interaction and replacing it with a robot that will just glaze the crap out of you and tell you that you're actually the smartest person in the world for asking this question it's kind of hard to tough the situation is tough it's hard to imagine a community that wouldn't eventually turn kind of toxic which is unfortunate which is unfortunate but it's also can you think of one though a community that never turned toxic like hit me up guys reddit oh man um very cool very cool very cool very cool ltt forum is actually pretty good but it's definitely had its moments of very high toxicity and it has i was i was um because because of that whole thing with the LTT subreddit, I was digging through a couple of the long-time toxic members of the LTT forum as kind of part of my conversation with the Reddit mods going like, look, you know, if I was as Ben happy as you guys seem to have gotten it into your heads that I am, these are people that would be long gone.

1:49:08And I was looking through the infraction history for a couple of members of the LTT forum going,

1:49:20we're kind of at the point where this is now subpar community management, but these people are still around. Oh, yeah. But I guess I've made my point. But we set standards for the forum a long time ago, which is kind of tough. Hey, Spotty. Spotty's in the chat. He's one of the longtime moderators on the LTT forum. and goes yeah there's a few bands that are overdue but yeah it's like it's it's just not really a thing so like it's but it's and i understand you know like you're you're just trying to figure something out you're confused out of your freaking mind you post a thing and people make fun of you it's not a good situation but is it better for your brain for to have extremely non-real interactions I don't know I don't have an answer here and you know it might be but then I just I feel like you're going to end up in these very human scenarios and just be totally caught off guard by people not telling you that you're the most brilliant beautiful amazing human being that's ever landed on earth every time you ask like house enter div please yeah foxman 8344 i accidentally read youtube chat says i don't need ai to glaze me i just need it to give me the answer but it will glaze you and stack overflow just doesn't tell you anything and treats you like an idiot it's unfortunate but a fact and that's their that's their lived experience um and that doesn't make the tragedy of what Luke is saying any less real or any less true.

1:51:01I'm not even trying to go after the people that are saying that. I'm not saying it's invalid or whatever. I'm just saying it's kind of tough that we're ending up in this scenario where we're dodging human interactions to interact with something in a way that is supposed to feel very human, but it's actually super not because it is like extremely obtusely nice to you all the time and a lot of people won't tell it not to be you can but almost no one does uh sarah lafayette says the farming simulator community is pretty warm and fuzzy and farming sim has been around for a long time i could i think that counts i could see i think that counts actually and there's even competitive farming sim okay let's let's go with that do you know there's farming simulator esports that sounds amazing it's actually really awesome Yeah, that sounds amazing.

1:51:57I love it. I'm into it. We found it. We found the warm and fuzzy corner of the internet. But, okay, you said once they get really big. I said a long time. Did I say big or did I say a long time? I thought you said both. Maybe I said both. I could be wrong. I don't know how big the farming sim community is. Okay, how many people are playing farming sim right now? I'm looking it up. Farming sim active player count. How many of these people need to engage in the social side of it? Shut up, AI. Okay, but hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's not look at the answer yet. What would you define as big for an active player count in anywhere from afternoon, yeah, early to late afternoon on a Friday?

1:52:39I don't know. When's the most recent one that released? What year is it? Is it 2025? 2025. I don't know. This is very uneducated. People in chat are saying 60K, 30K. I don't know. No, no, no. I was going to say 5K. You'd say 5K? That was my gut. You know what? I'll back you. I'm going to back you. I have no idea. Back you on that. 5K is big. 35 ,000. What? Shut up. Wow. 35 ,000 players playing right now. The 24-hour peak is 39 ,000. I think this exceeds any expectations for big. That seems like a lot of people. I don't know. I haven't spent a ton of time on Steam charts to see if this is actually a lot or not.

1:53:24All-time peak looks like it was probably when 25 released. I'm guessing 14 months ago. There's 1 ,600 people watching on Twitch right now. Okay, that's not a lot. Number 80 for daily active users. Number 57 for top sellers. It's pretty serious. Yeah, it's clearly a big deal in terms of players, but it's, to me, the Twitch stats indicate. This is one thing I was going to say. This feels like a game that doesn't require you to be super social about it. The community might not be super big, even though there's quite a few players. Look at the old versions in addition to 2025. That's a pretty good point.

1:54:00I'm still counting it. I'm counting it. If this is a warm and fuzzy community, then my faith in humanity is restored. Look up 2024 as well. Sure. Oh, yeah, because this is just specifically... This was a good point from Insomniac in full picture. 2022 is apparently... do be a lot the last one should you try to do okay 7600 players playing right now so if you were you know it's probably not worth going through all of them but if you probably every 19 has 1300 players there's a lot of these to click okay it's starting to really drop off 17 has 337 it's not nothing though if you release a little indie game and it had 337 concurrence you'd be pretty stoked like 10 years later yeah yeah all right it's huge yeah how many people are playing the new anno oh Oh, um...

1:55:00Because we're not. I know, I've been meaning to try it. Oops. What is... Dang it. Hold on. I got this, I got this. I'm just gonna do this one. Okay. Farming seems also on Game Pass. Dang. Oh, wow. So yeah, there'll be even more. 4 ,000 people are playing the new Anno with an all-time... Wait, what? Oh, this is 1 ,800. Whoops. This is the old Anno. Okay, well 4 ,000 people are playing the old one. That's good to know, actually. 3 ,700 playing the new one. And that's down from an all-time peak of 50 ,000 two months ago. While we're here, check out the new Civ versus Civ VI and Civ V. That's a whoops.

1:55:44Hold on. Oh, wow. Wow. The user reviews are 10 % less likely to be positive for the new Mano. It's only 70 % positive, whereas the old one, 1800, was 79.93 % positive, so nearly 10 full percentage points more positive. Whoopsie doodles. Well, okay. All right, so hold on. Civilization? Seven, yeah Sid Meier's Seven versus six versus five That's what I'm interested in I'll bring them all up, boys Okay, so five You still got 17 ,000 people playing right now That's pretty good, actually That's pretty Five's like my favorite one That's like get your vegetables Because that's salad What? Salad? It's good, it's salad Okay Yeah Yeah, it's solid.

1:56:43All right. All right, Civ, whoop, oh, I spoiled it. That's Civ 6, 33 ,000. I got it spoiled, but holy crap.

1:56:55Civ 7, 8, Get rekt. Literally getting doubled up by Civ 5, by the two generation older one, and quadrupled up by the last gen Civ VI. Yeah, because Civ V is my favorite one. Civ VI, once you got some expansions in there, actually quite good. I didn't like it on launch, but it's a lot better now. But I have a soft spot for Civ V. Wow. Yeah, get dunked on, Civ VII. Kind of unfortunate because I really like Civ, but man, Civ VII just reeked right out of the gate. So many design decisions in Civ 7 that were just like the immediate second that I realized it even existed. I was like, that's disgusting.

1:57:48I went, oh yeah, look at the user reviews. My God, man. 50%, under 50 % positive. I mean, someone likes it. So that's something. Yeah. I mean, you often say a game for everyone is a game for someone. This is a game for not many.

1:58:08But someone some 8 ,000 people chose to play this over six or five right now Yeah, right now they chose that yeah, maybe they got it for free with their Archie They're like wait I own all these other games already wait I could have gotten battlefield 6 damn This was a mistake Look of stardew valley. There's a lot of high tails a game that like just launched those theoretically very popular Yeah, almost 60 ,000 people playing Starry Valley right now. Starry Valley's still destroying. I still haven't played it. I really gotta try it, but I also am concerned that my life could be consumed by a game like this.

1:58:46I got... I actually tried to play it at one point, and then I got super obsessed over the timing of... Because the seasons will turn over. I got super obsessed over min-maxing the turnover of the season. You? No. No. And buying, like, pre-saving money to buy the right seeds for the beginning of the next one and selling things at the right time. And I was like, I don't think this is the point of this game. I think it is the point of the game. Maybe. Yeah. I think the point of the game is you can play it however you want to play it. That's fair. That's fair. Hytale. Last one. All right. HY.

1:59:28Oh, right. It's not on Steam. Got him. It's like its own launcher or something. Well, we're moving on then. Okay. Dan, you really got to tell us what we're doing audibly because we can see the sign. Don't make me point at the sign. Tap, tap, tap. We could do more sponsors. We could do more topics. Up to you guys. You tell us what to do, Dan. We're in another time zone and our brains are bad. Sure. Well, technically I am too and same. So let's finish off sponsors. Why not? What? What? I'm in a different time zone than you. Are you not in the studio? Oh, my God. Oh. Okay, what did he say? Sponsors or topics?

2:00:10Let's just finish off the sponsors. Okay, never mind. Let's do a very short topic, then we'll do that. Okay. You can now reserve a hotel room on the moon for a quarter million dollars. There's an article on Ars Technica.

2:00:29What? Yep. A company called Groove Space wants to make habitats on the moon and have invited people to put down a deposit. I figured out our grift. Oh, yeah. Luke and I were talking about how our lives would have been a lot easier and a lot more lucrative if we had just grifted at every opportunity to grift. We should have just made a coin. We still could make a coin. And just rug pulled the heck out of everyone. We could make adequate coin. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Rug pull in six hours after launch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The reason we say that, but then we do it in five and a half hours. Yeah. Oh, that's good.

2:01:10That's good. Got him. But no, Linus Town. We've been talking about it forever. Linus Town's on the moon and you can pre-sell property. Why? Oh my God. Stop it. Yeah. It's perfect. It really just does seem like people. It really does seem like there's no consequences though. Like in the world we're living in. That was that was what really prompted this conversation is we're in New York, obviously because we're here for the Tonight Show and We were talking about how the former mayor of New York launched a coin shortly after getting booted out of office for being like mega mega corrupt and Launched a coin and then within hours rug pulled it and made millions of dollars allegedly and and and how just like that was the most obvious possible outcome and yet yeah it happened and someone somewhere was probably surprised and there doesn't seem to be any long-term consequences and it's just like you know at some point you kind of you kind of look around you kind of go like you Is there no reward for just being honorable?

2:02:34Like where is where is Luke's millions of dollars? Where is it? I Think adequate coin is really like that in the arms of an angel song to play In the arms of an angel when you're when you're saying where is Luke's millions of dollars?

2:02:56Cory G says meanwhile, I'm in debt and if I did that I'd be prosecuted yeah Right? Like it's... You're not rich enough to scam, fool. Figure it out. Enwash says, my theory is it's not regular people putting their money into Eric Adams' cryptocurrency. It's a money laundering scheme. But here's the thing. Like, I'm having a deja vu moment because we literally talked about this on the last WAN show. Is it such a, it's such a like, you know, I don't actually know. so I'm just going to say, I don't know, money laundering explanation. I think it's, I don't, I don't actually think that a lot of the things we dismiss as, I don't know, probably money laundering are actually money laundering.

2:03:42What would be the point of having like a way to bribe a formerly elected official? He hasn't, he's not the mayor of New York city anymore. He's not anybody anymore. So what would be the, what would be the benefit of giving him a bunch of money? who who is laundering the money like what's the there might still be connections there like i know um yeah i suspect there's still a lot of political connections even though he's not the mayor anymore sure but millions i don't know i don't i don't know new york's a big deal but what is he what what can he impact at this point and and what what illegitimate source of money is being laundered because that's the point of money laundering is that you have illegitimate income that you are trying to turn into legitimate cash so just giving it to the former mayor of new york i i and i might be wrong maybe that is totally money laundering and it was super effective um who knows yeah Charmander used char and it was like I don't know burn the money maybe it works

2:05:05okay should we should be next topic

2:05:11yeah I'm just sorry I'm just trying to no you can keep going I don't actually care I don't have anything to add I don't know what the answer to this is obviously this is ridiculous don't spend 250k on a thing that's almost certainly never going to exist um no I shouldn't okay not never but I expect to be dead you think so? before there's a hotel on the moon. We will have a moon base or I will be very sad. But I don't think there's going to be a hotel. Like an actual check-in hotel. What if you could rent a room on the moon base? Would that count? I don't... But it's not strictly a hotel. I feel like it would work that way.

2:06:03I don't know how it would work, to be honest with you. I mean, with the cuts to NASA, but then again, like, the Chinese are rapidly pursuing more lunar stuff right now, so. I'm pretty sure we're going to have a moon base. Yeah, okay. Who's we, though? Well. Like, people in general? Yeah. Okay, all right. Earthlings, I'm fairly certain, will have a moon base. And I don't even think it's going to be, like, way too much longer. Okay. Artemis is, like, happening. But will we be able to go whaling on the moon? Hmm.

2:06:36Which trillionaire will first migrate whales from Earth to the moon? Yeah, to go whaling on the moon. We carry our harpoons. Maybe they just bring themselves and that's good enough. But there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales and sing a whaling tune. It's a huge drama. Okay.

2:06:58Anyways, moving on. Okay, someone got it. Thank you. U.S. Department of Commerce lifts planned crackdown on Chinese drones, including DJI, with some caveats. So we talked about this on Guanttell before. They're essentially banning all Chinese drones from being sold in the U.S., including their parts. But there's been an update. The U.S. Department of Commerce have partially reversed their planned crackdown on Chinese drone sales in the country, citing improved relations with China, I guess. That happened, frankly. Although the FCC and DOC bans are two different things. Cool. Yeah, neat. The lifting of these restrictions will allow drone manufacturers to import units that are already approved by the FCC, meaning that companies like DJI could potentially import their older models, but not newer ones.

2:07:47I thought that was basically what it was already, so maybe I'm missing something here. The FCC ban on brand new foreign-made drones still stands. Okay, so we'll keep you guys posted on that, because I know that there's a lot of drone enthusiasts within the tech sphere. And like I said, I have sort of a personal interest in this story just because of my brother-in-law's company, Spexy. They do like the drone mapping thing that they're doing. It's really cool. And they kind of rely on people having... Drones. Affordable access to high-quality drones. Yeah, pretty important for them. So I'm just kind of keeping a finger on the pulse of this one.

2:08:23Speaking of corruption, YNCO and Fullpoint Shad said the check must have cleared. and hey, it might have. Who knows? I have no idea, but it was quite the turnaround. Speaking of turnarounds, Grok has finally been updated to stop undressing women and children, according to XSafety. Way to go, Grok. Really happy you disabled yourself in the meantime, so that didn't continue happening this entire time. Yeah, that was a really responsible decision and truly a respectable, um like self um self-governance move so that thing we just said didn't happen uh brief history grok was discovered generating thousands of non-consensual sexualized images by virtually undressing women and even children from regular photos triggering investigations in the uk california and bans in indonesia and malaysia imagine indonesia and malaysia being like the countries that have the stones to just act on this and no one else like really Musk dismissed criticism as censorship because of course he would and X's only initial response was putting timeline based image editing behind a paywall so basically you had to pay to at Grok in the response to a picture to ask it to change it but it was still possible to tap on the image and edit it using the image editing tools and then use the Grok app to generate images as well situation as of thursday x safety finally announced technological measures to stop grok from undressing people into bikinis slash revealing clothing restricting image editing to paid subscribers and geo-blocking the feature where it's illegal a change that came only after california attorney general rob bonta opened an investigation into whether xai is facilitating large-scale production of deep fake non-consensual intimate images um it's amazing how like Like, how slow the law works for large, rich entities.

2:10:24We are opening an investigation. What are you talking about? Your investigation is open a web browser. Yeah. What are you even talking about? Pushback from The Verge. Despite X's announced restrictions, The Verge found it took less than a minute to bypass them. Grok still complied with requests to show cleavage, make breasts bigger, put subjects in crop tops and low-rise shorts, which produced bikini images, extremely revealing lingerie, and sexualized poses, all using free accounts with only a trivially bypassable age checkbox. Without checking The Verge's article, and to their credit, so, I don't know.

2:11:08but I actually suspect that it took less than a minute thing was on their first attempt. I don't think they mean it takes less than a minute to do it every time. Oh, yeah. I think they can break it instantaneously now and they just, with almost no effort, made this happen immediately.

2:11:30Ah.

2:11:36Do you think if Elon was a hot young woman who was, you know, physically modest, that these things would be different? I just mean, like, it's very clear that the leadership just doesn't care about this and completely lacks empathy for anyone who is impacted by it because the the slow rolling of any kind of action ineffective action even is just see here's the thing though kitsulina kitsulina lane you're saying no they care it's a money-making opportunity except it isn't they're not making money on this. Generating these AI images costs a fortune. So it's like losing money just to try to win this LLM space race that maybe will never be profitable and harming people in the meantime.

2:12:49Like there's no real

2:12:59So when I mentioned this in floatplane chat, it's very off topic, but I had forgotten about it and I really doubt it's in the dock because this is very new information. I think this morning. Oh, shoot. I can't find it. While you find it, PK7 says, remember when Microsoft's chatbot was shut down in under a day when people made it turn into a Nazi years ago? now LLMs are just completely running haywire and everyone's like yeah that's what they do I remember so it was SB in full plane chat said can we talk about Canada allowing Chinese cars with a 6 % tariff did you see that? that's a thing that would be huge I think it's like is it done?

2:13:40I think so 6 % that's reasonable

2:13:49yeah slashes 100 % tariffs to just six percent when did this happen like this morning well today yeah whoa 49 ,000 unit annual quota joint venture focus okay so basically what i would have wanted because as far as my understanding goes there they're hoping to get some of the I'm sure it'll just be finishing, but some of the manufacturing here. Well, yeah, I would hope so. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Canada has agreed to allow an annual quota of 49 ,000 Chinese electric vehicles, tariff rate of just 6.1%. This targets the low end of the market, so affordable. More than 50 % of these should be affordable EVs with an import price of less than$35 ,000.

2:14:37Is that CAD? Please tell me that's CAD, because that would be a game changer for affordability of EVs. That's a quote, so I think it would have to be. According to the Prime Minister's office, it would have to be Canadian. Why would they be talking in USD? Wild. Here we go. The interesting detail here is the joint venture language. It looks like Carney is taking a page out of China's own playbook. Canada seems to be using this quota as a carrot to get companies like BYD and Cattle to set up shop in Canada and maybe help Canadian companies learn from those giants. because that's technically what China did with Tesla where they invited them in as this idea of like, you're currently better than all of our companies, but if you're here, we'll get to see what you're doing and learn from you.

2:15:22I don't think there will be all of that much that we can learn from the Chinese way of making them cheaper. It's probably not going to work for us. I am excited by the joint venture thing because, I mean, jobs are always good. But this is like very, should be relatively obvious to everyone. This is very obviously a political coin. There's been, I mean, there was a, I think it was like the ambassador to Canada on a radio show in Canada recently said, like, basically, we don't need you guys for anything. Which is like, you know what? Fair enough. But then we have to play that game too. So that's part of this.

2:16:11I strongly suspect. Yeah It's definitely all political pun crackers like yeah, I often see people say, you know, well I don't want to talk about politics. I don't want to think about politics and it's like yeah, but politics isn't it's every isn't waiting for you to talk about it It's not waiting for you to think about it. It's you can try to leave politics alone, but politics is not gonna leave you alone It just doesn't it just doesn't work that way um Should we wake him up? Oh god No I don't think so What can they see? Can they see him? Oh yeah they can

2:17:00He's just chilling Oh my god He's like ever so lightly snoring. Okay. Is this against TOS? I don't know. If you have people awake. Oh. And then. Because I know. Maybe everyone has to be asleep for it to be a sleeping stream. Is that. There are sleeping streams now. I thought they're against TOS. No, they're a thing now. 100%. They're sleeping streams now. Oh, really? Oh, 100%. Oh, okay. Yeah. If they're playing TOS, I don't know. We write that. So it's yeah, that's probably fine. Yeah. Yeah. No, it is not against. Yeah. Well, it's not against you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Yeah.

2:17:44Okay. Yeah. So I guess it's like completely fine. I guess it's kosher. So we're good. Sure.

2:17:58Okay. Well, I mean, we just keep going. Yeah. Yeah. I guess we just keep going. He's comfortable. Yeah, he seems happy. I think it's fine.

2:18:09Should we? Oh, let's do the rest of the sponsors. Then we'll talk about NVIDIA resurrecting. Wait, did we do NVIDIA resurrects old GPUs already? We did. Yeah, we did that already. Okay, that topic's not collapsed. Okay, so it's not syncing, but collapsing. Really? Because I'm fairly certain I did. Is it still open for you? Did you collapse it, or is it still open? Oh. In the video topic? Was it just in here twice? It's in here twice. Oh. This topic. Yeah, this topic is in the... No, that's a different topic. It is? Yeah. Oh. Okay. This topic mentions the other one. Oh, yeah, okay. They're highly related.

2:18:45There you go. Yeah, we're good. Why don't we do the sponsors, and then we've got a few more topics, and then we'll do After Dark. If Sammy is hourly, is this paid since he's on camera? It's a hilarious full-point comment. I... I have no idea. I don't know. I'm not going to worry about that right now. Sammy had a very demanding day yesterday. I think he was up pretty late working. The last thing I'm going to do is give him a hard time because he clocked out. Yeah, he'll be clocked the heck out. He also, I think, might be working later because he has to get that social post up or whatever. He'll be fine.

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2:21:33not today not for that one not today okay maybe do you want to just drop that link in the chat for the various people sure thing yeah we got this now too this now? what is it? live slug slug reaction slug it's a very vintage meme. That's a very vintage meme. I don't, uh, doesn't check out for me. Okay, cool. Yeah, people remember it. The immortal slug. Okay. If people, if people get it, then the people, the people dictate the WAN show. Good, good, good. This is the new, the new WAN show. 50, 50 % Luke, 50 % me and 50 % you guys. You just, you just tell us how it works. Live slug. And 10 % sleeping Sammy.

2:22:2310 % sleeping Sammy. Yeah. Okay. Apple picks Google's Gemini AI for its big Siri upgrade and other Google AI stories. Apple and Google announced a multi-year collaboration where Apple will base the next generation of its Apple Foundation models on Google's Gemini models and cloud technology, with the partnership powering future Apple intelligence features, including a more personalized Siri expected in 2026. I'm going off script here, but it kind of sounds like Apple just gave up. Maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe this will be like the Apple car. Wait. Oh, OK. Anyway, pretty much Google's Gemini models will serve as the technical foundation, allowing Apple to bring more advanced AI features to its kind of lagging ecosystem more quickly.

2:23:13Despite the partnership, according to their statement, Apple will retain control over its AI ecosystem even while using Google's Gemini models. Apple intelligence features will continue to run on Apple devices and its private cloud infrastructure, ensuring that user privacy remains central. Okay. Meanwhile, Google unveiled the Universal Commerce Protocol, UCP, an open standard designed to enable agentic commerce, letting AI agents complete the full shopping journey. Shopping journey, good lord. By providing a common language that connects agents, retailers, payment providers, and platforms. UCP has been co-developed with major retail partners and widely endorsed, including by companies like Shopify, Etsy, Wayfair, Target, and Walmart.

2:24:02It's also compatible with existing protocols such as agent-to-agent, agent payments protocol, and model context protocol. I mean, honestly, as a store, I like it. As a consumer, I'm just like, oh my god, can we just not encrapify everything? Can it just tell me how many tablespoons of coffee grounds to use? Like, can it just not recommend the bestest part of waking up? Like, can we just not, you know, but it will. It's all headed that direction. Google is also introducing tools to help retailers in the agentic commerce era, including Business Agent, which lets shoppers chat directly with brands in search.

2:24:50However, it's not all good news for Google. A Guardian investigation found that Google's AI overviews provided inaccurate and potentially dangerous health information. For example, sharing misleading liver function test data that could reassure seriously ill users. It also lacked important medical context, such as age, sex, and ethnicity. In response, Google removed some of these health-related AI overviews, including for the aforementioned liver test queries. But health experts and charities warned that similar problematic AI summaries still appear for other sensitive topics and urged the company to steer users toward reliable, evidence-based health resources.

2:25:30So this was a large summary of many things. I'm going to jump kind of back up to the top with the Siri upgrade going for Gemini. They were previously signed up with OpenAI. this jump especially with it being a long-term jump is very interesting for the whole bubble pop conversation because there's there's been a bunch of counters to the bubble pop conversation including that even if the ai bubble pops a lot of the companies that are in the ai bubble are companies that are just revenuing a ton of money even regardless of ai stuff going on Yep. So, like, it's a bit of a tough situation. But one of the very interesting, important parts of the AI bubble thing has been that OpenAI is at the center of basically all of it.

2:26:25And OpenAI doesn't have very good cash flow. Yep. And this really can't help. No, this is a huge problem. Because what a news story. To lose that contract has got to be brutal for them. Because it's not just that they lost a contract. It's that they lost a contract with the... What's the mind share? Winner of the phone race, more or less. I enjoy my Android, but like... So does 70 plus percent of the world. Even though America loves its iPhones. But in the place where a lot of people spend a lot of the money. Yep. iPhone is dominating. Yep. And it's like, man, it's, this is very interesting. So we'll see how it goes.

2:27:16Apple steered clear of the search wars. Now they're steering clear of the AI wars. Yeah, but it doesn't necessarily mean, I don't personally take this as a signal as they're out forever. I take this as a signal as they're not bothering to dive in while it's just like money dumpster fire. if I'm one of these big companies and I'm looking at this personally I'm not touching it at all because what I'm seeing happen is progress is made and then progress is immediately open sourced afterwards and then progress is made and then it's immediately open sourced afterwards and it's like I don't feel like I'm losing ground in this at all the like dig up a data center thing sometimes it's better to just lease a car that someone else built than to design and build your own car from scratch I could completely see that perspective.

2:28:01And they could always jump in and do it later. Yeah. Like, they'll figure it out. And it's Apple we're talking about. There's a lot of things Apple does that I'm not aligned on. No. But if there's anyone that could just Sherlock something later, literally the term Sherlock is Apple doing this. This is their entire history. um they they they went and they they they said the the silicon in the market is not good enough yeah that yeah perfect example who else could do that i'll wait okay okay okay amazon does have silicon google has silicon uh but to it's a very it's a short list it's a really short list if If Apple decided later that this is a very mature space now, they have enough money to buy the earth and all the heavens, they can build a team, and they could make an AI product, and they could cut ties.

2:29:08And that is what gives Apple leverage in their negotiations. That's why Apple is not going to be paying as much to a giant like Google or to OpenAI or to whoever they partner with because they are someone that can credibly sit across the table from you and go, give me a good price or I'll just do it myself. Yeah. Yeah. But honestly, it totally makes sense to me that they're not building their own right now. I mean, look at freaking meta. Look how much money they're pouring into it. What market share are they getting? What contracts are they winning? Nothing. And like, what are they gaining? it's just horrible slop on all of their platforms more more engagement on their platforms more like more more ad i mean look i mean if met okay okay here's a scary thought if meta can learn a lot about you by what real things you would engage with how much more can they learn about you by what sort of twisted contorted how much more granular can they get if they can create literally anything that can appeal like directly to you maybe as far as my

2:30:24uninformed person listening to some other nebulously informed people talk about things understanding goes um a lot of the content generation stuff is not really making money right now. There's a bunch of money in productivity stuff with LLMs and whatnot. That is largely due to the forced shoehorning of these tools into things like Office 365 and Google Workspace and stuff like that. But a lot of the like slop creation junk is not proving to at least currently be very profitable for these things. And if you look at the ways that they're trying to monetize it's through like selling you products through chat not something to do with content creation of videos but yeah did you be looking at this one no okay nothing important all right um yeah i don't know i think this is super interesting i think it's I'm not too surprised but it's very interesting in regards to the constant chess match that is AI projects and companies and Google and Apple in particular they compete so directly in some spaces and are so codependent in others I mean this was always interesting when Samsung was doing the screens for iPhones for a long time or something?

2:31:59Well, they still do. Oh, yeah, okay. And they compete. So these two business units will be bitter rivals and these two will be super tight partners. Yeah. That's business, apparently. Yeah.

2:32:18Okay. All right. What do we got left? We've got Yeehaw. It's an AI News Story roundup. We didn't just do that? No, I guess not. So in the latest Windows 11 Insider Preview build, IT administrators on Pro, Enterprise, and Education devices can uninstall the built-in Microsoft Copilot app, but only if the device has both Copilot and Microsoft 365 Copilot installed. The app wasn't user-installed, and it hasn't been launched in the past... Oh, if the app wasn't user-installed, and if it hadn't been launched in the past 28 days, with the paid Copilot service still remaining on the system. So our take on this is almost soon.

2:32:56What the heck? Yeah, I know. What a weird list of requirements. Now, with that said, I thought I uninstalled the... Oh. Okay, I have disconnected my copilot key. So when I press it, it says the copilot key isn't connected to an action. Choose what you'd like to happen. And my options are search, none selected, and custom. So... Oh, yeah, no. So it's just a Windows key now? Okay, so this was a weird one for me because I thought I removed Copilot from this PC. Yeah, so when I clicked Copilot in there, it just brought up an Edge browser. It was loading the, like, Git Copilot page. Yeah. So, yeah, that's weird.

2:33:44I thought you could remove it. How to remove programs. Let me see. yeah have i misunderstood because i i removed the copilot app from my computer i have no idea it's it's for sure not on my computer at home but i don't know this also didn't mention home pro enterprise and education so maybe it wasn't removable from those oh interesting sin on fc and floatplane chat says mine reappeared I uninstalled it two weeks ago just checked and it's back so I don't know anything about that

2:34:23yeah Comma Black said I don't have Copilot on my Windows 11 Pro never had I've never had it online really? not this one I'm talking about my desktop yeah okay do you have to meet the requirements for it to automatically install Copilot Like, do you have to have an NPU? Because your desktop, I mean, well, it has your, no, it has a 40 series GPU. Yeah. So that would, that probably has enough tops. Yeah, so it looks like my laptop has it. Yeah, it would be installed by default on your laptop. Anyway, well, make of that whatever you will. Honestly, I've had a Copel key and I literally never even noticed it till now.

2:35:04Not once. I did not know this was on my computer.

2:35:10Neat. I just hit it accidentally every once in a while. I use function left, right for home and end a lot. Yeah, yeah. And it's right there. I use Windows and arrow keys all the time. I've just never bumped it, I guess. Well, you have a control key between your arrow keys and your co-pilot key. Oh, you don't. So I mash it a bunch when I go for my left arrow key. And my arrow keys kind of dip down, so they're actually easier to differentiate. I prefer those. Yeah, me too. um band camp announced in its keeping band camp human blog post that it is banning music and audio created wholly or substantially by generative ai and prohibiting ai tools that impersonate other audience other artists or styles on its platform to ensure fans can trust the music they find is human made cool i wish them luck with that i hope that it works it's going to be tough to enforce it's going to get harder at certain scales and stuff it'll work and that's That's really cool.

2:36:02And there should be platforms that you can go to and trust that you're getting a human experience. And I think Bandcamp is really well positioned to be one of those platforms. Meanwhile, a senior police official in West Midlands, UK has confirmed that an intelligence report generated with the help of Microsoft Copilot falsely invented a football match between West Ham and Maccabi Tel Aviv, and that this AI error was used without verification to justify banning Maccabi fans from a Europa League game, highlighting serious reliability issues with AI and critical decision-making. And especially people not verifying its output.

2:36:44Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. In other news, multiple police departments accidentally leaked millions of surveillance records by failing to redact license plates in public records releases of Flock audit logs, exposing 2.3 million license plates and tens of millions of searches, revealing who police are surveilling and why. The leak exposes... Man, Flock just cannot catch a break lately, and it couldn't happen to a nicer company. The leak exposes a fundamental flaw in Flock's design. Because Search's query up to 80 ,000 cameras nationwide in the U.S., a single department's redaction failure can expose sensitive investigations from thousands of other departments across the country.

2:37:35That's so sick. Whoa. Phlox's response was to attack transparency rather than fix the problem. Instead of auto-redacting exports, they removed officer names and plate data from the audit logs entirely and threatened the creator of haveibeenflocked.com with bogus IP takedown requests, which Cloudflare -based rejected as having insufficient evidence of a violation. Amazing. Love it. Flock CEO Garrett Langley framed public records requests as a coordinated attack by activists wanting to defund the police. A little dated on that reference. But Staunton, Virginia's police chief rejected this, calling concerned citizens democracy in action.

2:38:27And the city canceled its flock contract days later. Our discussion question is, is the Have I Been Flocked website putting people in danger? Yeah, that always is the conversation around this whole like exposing data leaks. Security through obscurity is not a thing. Somebody has access to this. By exposing it, yes, we're driving more eyeballs to it and that can have negative unintended consequences. But also in the longer term, we need security to be taken seriously and this is the only way to get anyone's attention. Like look at flocked once. After have I been flocked here is the incorrect move they weren't after flocked like specific They were clearly not going to fix anything.

2:39:12They don't want to fix anything. It costs money to fix things Yeah

2:39:19Yeah

2:39:26Hey, welcome back morning sunshine

2:39:33How's it going? Next topic. Next topic. Speaking of next topic, the state we're in, New York State, takes steps to ban 3D printed guns. There's a proposal that requires 3D printer manufacturers to prevent weapon printing. That won't work. Governor Kathy O'Toole. Hey, you spoiled the ending, Luke. We were going to have a whole conversation. Governor Kathy O'Toole unveiled proposed legislation requiring 3D printers sold or used in New York to include safeguards that prevent printing guns or gun parts, aiming to curb un-serialized ghost guns. The bill would criminalize possessing or sharing gun printing CAD files without authorization, require police to log recovered 3D printed firearms in a statewide database, sure, and push manufacturers to redesign pistols to resist illegal automatic fire conversions.

2:40:32Cool. Researchers warn online communities and step-by-step guides are lowering barriers to DIY weapons, while critics say targeting manufacturers won't meaningfully reduce violence amid lawsuits over conversion devices, Glock announced pistol redesigns to prevent illegal modifications. so yeah here's the issue um and this is something that i think we can speak to with a fair bit of authority um being in canada there's a lot of firearms that are banned in canada yeah and it makes exactly this much difference because our neighbor the us and a uh does not have bans on said weapons and getting them over the border for ne 'er-do-wells is pretty easy and the ban only really impacts people who play by the rules.

2:41:23One of the biggest recent bans of Canadian firearms was spurred because of a shooting event. But if I remember correctly, this was the one that banned pistols sold in Canada, but all of the guns used in the shooting were smuggled in from the States. So it literally had nothing to do... And I'm not trying to go on any political line here, literally at all. It's just... What? Like this actually like was literally completely unrelated. We had two plus two and we went three. Yeah. Like, so it's really not going to make a difference. Okay, so you banned it in New York. What if someone drives over the state border with a 3D printer?

2:42:04The really funny part is like I was a grown adult by the time I realized that America has like two states that are like some ridiculous percentage of its overall land mass. And the world was a lot smaller back in the 1800s. So there's like all these little states where we went around with horses and we walked from one state to the next. And then you go like west and it's like California. Texas is big. Texas, big old Arizona state. You know, we've got all these big states over here. And so the idea of a geographical banning having an impact. Also in a state the size of New York, where you could you could like walk there from, you know, I don't know what.

2:43:06Yeah, Pennsylvania, you know, Rhode Island, Connecticut, like freaking what are you even talking about? I'm gonna ban 3D printers from making Guns in New York It's not like there's a border Also like good luck dude You're not checking people's Bags It's not a concert You're not walking through a metal detector What is the logic If you reduce it down to individual Parts You're printing a frame And then a tube and then whatever else. How are you going to actually define that these are gun parts? And then if you do that successfully, people will just make them look weird and then just trim them down to being normal or just leave them looking weird because they don't care.

2:43:56It's not going to function. But, I mean, good luck. Yeah.

2:44:07Oh, man. Do I even want to? And to be clear, yes, it's far. Okay, someone's like, walk from Rhode Island to Pennsylvania and I'll buy everything on LTTstore.com. Yes, that is very far. But in the grand scheme of things, it is not very far to transport a 3D printer if you really needed to. Probably have a car. Especially when there is no security apparatus whatsoever that would prevent you from doing it. Yeah.

2:44:39Dark Guy 2 says, I think this is less about preventing people from making them, but when the cops find them, they can charge them. And, like, sure.

2:44:50I just can't see any reason why the narrow-do-wells wouldn't just set up shop in New Jersey or Massachusetts or Vermont or New Hampshire or Maine or West Virginia or Ohio or Kentucky and then just drive a couple hours into New York. This talkbook was also talking about modifying pre-existing sold firearms, namely pistols, to shoot, they're saying automatic fire conversions. I think they mean no longer being semi-auto, generally referred to as adding a switch to a Glock. So you can just hold and it just fires your whole mag. That's a whole other conversation. and if you're doing that I don't think you care just saying you're already breaking so many laws at that point like what's breaking a 3D printing law on top of it?

2:45:47Just throw it in there who cares yeah I don't know dude I laws that impact criminals and sorry impact law abiding citizens and do not impact criminals are not my favorite. I do understand you have to draw the line somewhere. Yes, like RPGs should probably not just be legal for civilians to just buy and open carry. Like there's gotta be... Well, you laugh, right? But like there's... No, my brain for some reason just thought of an RPG holster. Just like, that's a huge thing. Don't worry about it. Yeah, like just in the lab says like a catapult. Like you probably shouldn't have a catapult Strap to the back of your car Oh but yeah that's the You know like a ballista Just on the top of your Mustang Like with a hole in the roof It would look sick Like there's gotta be You know there's gotta be a line Somewhere I want a tank Who are you D brand?

2:47:04But yeah, one of my things is if you look back at when firearms first got introduced, if you go to very basic levels, they're very primitive at this point. Oh, like early firearms? The thing used for the whole Shinzo Abe situation was tubes and a plank of wood. Yeah.

2:47:29Guys, where there's a will, there's a way. They'll figure it out. people have made firearms in prison before. Really? Yeah. That's pretty impressive, actually. Yeah. Out of what? Just stuff. They're like very... They're actually quite interesting. But, um... Prison made firearms.

2:47:54Oh, wow. Yeah. Just like, yeah, just made of stuff. They even kind of look like guns. Yeah, they do. Huh. 15 deadly improvised prison weapons and tools how about that turns out it's a tube and a pokey thing yeah that's all you really need and you can make them way nicer and more advanced obviously but if people want to make this they're going to figure it out the 3D printing gun community is insane the files are out there if you ban them okay. People already have them. It's just like the open source AI stuff. It's already out there. You can't stop AI from being a thing now. You can try to regulate it whatever way you want, but it's already out there.

2:48:43The 3D printing files for these things are already out there. People can get a huge amount of 3D printers that are highly repairable that are before this anyways. People can drive them into your state. This will do nothing. I'm not necessarily jumping on a political line, but it's just not going to be effective. And again, if it's to throw one more book at people, I think once you're going that far down the line, it just makes no real impact. But, I also think that's our last topic. Well, until After Dark. Mr. Daniel Besser, you got any curated merch messages? I do. I have a few here. Let's go to After Dark.

2:49:22I guess I better move. I'll get rid of our slug for now. Alright. Hey, Duke linus and dan i managed to snag an aorus master 24 gigabyte 3090 on marketplace for 750 canadian dollary dues just wondering that's a pretty good price the guy i bought it from repasted it twice gaming it runs at about 80 and the hotspot is 104c oh that i i would probably rip that open and put some better paste on it or a better application, maybe the cooler isn't tightened down enough. That sounds too hot on the hotspot. I hate to be that guy, but I strongly recommend PTM7950 Phase Change Paste from LTT Store for this particular application.

2:50:16It's not necessarily the best paste for everything, but for a direct dye application, it's a really really good option i would i would pick up some ptm 7950 question for luke what are your thoughts on the guy that redesigned the floatplane application called float native to offer more functions on ios have you tried it it's cool i have not actually i haven't tried it there's a few um yeah uh i i think projects like that are cool we've worked with some people for projects like that. We've tried to have our API stuff be pretty open and, you know, willing to be used for things like that, which is great because we've been struggling on the app side of things, especially for TVs.

2:51:04So some people have stepped up and done things like that. People are literally calling it out right now. Like Hydrovion is one of them. I'm sure I pronounced it wrong. Sorry. but yeah eventually we'll ideally fix those things and we'll have our own tv apps and all that jazz but in the meantime yeah check it out if you want great cool another one here i know someone on my team has tried it but i haven't personally yet another one here for luke i have 10 years experience of i have 10 years of developer experience mostly as a generalist and i'm now focusing on front end what criteria do you use to determine to decide whether someone is ready for a senior front-end role senior often means that you can lead others it doesn't doesn't necessarily mean that you're a manager but it generally means that you can like mentor or or guide or at least help judge heavily so like if you're doing code reviews you can kind of run them you can help create tasks for those people and be clear this is like very much Luke's perspective I'm sure a lot of organizations have absolutely senior developers that are just like really friggin good developers that make more money than junior developers especially when we go from my perspective a really big one for seniors for me is the ability to take a project with very little guidance and just run and finish it well yeah that might not mean the same thing in in a different context and yeah I Genesis 89 25 and chat says senior is so ambiguous in the industry so so is literally so i completely agree with you and would say the same thing what i'm going to also throw in there is so is literally everything else yeah yeah the fact that like apparently it's a big issue hiring software developers in canada because we're not allowed to use the term engineer to describe them and a lot of american software developers consider themselves software engineers but engineer is a protected protected term in Canada that you have to have a specific credential for.

2:53:12And so you can be doing engineering work, but you're not like, you can't call yourself an engineer here. Um, it might be specific to BC even, I don't even know if it's Canada wide, but it can be like an obstacle to hiring people because they don't want the poo stain on their resume of coder or developer. They want to be called software engineer because that's what it would be called anywhere else. Conrad, that's not how that works. You said you can put any title on your resume and nobody can question it. They could absolutely question it. That's what references are for. I was wondering why Conrad still works here.

2:53:55Maybe that's why. Yeah, that might be it for sure. Director of WAN Show live chat is what's going on my resume. I like it. Yeah, it occurred to me there are a lot of staff in the chat today, and it's totally inside work hours today, you guys. This is not work for anyone but Dan. There's been a few people in chat that have said that their work defines it in a similar or same way that I did, but that is genuinely not universal. there's a few entire titles like not even just the senior portion but entire titles that like even if you look up what the definition is a lot of sites will be like every company just sort of decides it's like what?

2:54:40okay yeah I'm not sure if you talked about this too much but what was your biggest letdown at CES? maybe it's just because I have been so excited about their winning streak over the last little while, but it was AMD for me. Not because they're like a bad company who makes bad products or anything. I just wanted something to be excited about and rebranded mobile CPUs where they incrementaled the model number, but didn't actually change the underlying architecture. Again, making their lineup super confusing for consumers even more. and just shoving features I don't care about down my throat. It was just such a...

2:55:32I would have just...

2:55:37I would have just rather they did nothing. Like, if they just showed off some really cool new partner devices and, like, new designs around their existing chips, like, I just didn't really see the point. With that said, I haven't seen benchmark results for the 5850 X3D or whatever it's called, the new one, the 8 core that does up to 5.6 gigahertz. Maybe it'll totally change my mind, another 400 megahertz on that chip. The new Strix Halo, the new Strix Halo SKUs with the big GPU but smaller CPU, those I was actually, was the one thing that in the video I was excited about. And now I'm back to being disappointed because I've talked to a couple of AMD partners now and they're like, yeah, these chips don't exist.

2:56:27Like, functionally speaking, because they use, I forget how many bits wide the memory interface is. They need a lot of memory chips regardless of how much memory capacity is built into them. And they are like big fat dyes. They're power hungry. there's like a bunch of things about them that make them not a focus for AMD and so the allocation of these is just like functionally nothing so yeah so it's cool they seem like super cool chips but they're expensive and even if you can afford them it's going to be hard to get your hands on enough of them to for partners to meaningfully create cool designs around them Up next, if you had to do the remote PC cable run again...

2:57:22Wait, for now. For now. Maybe that'll change. I hope it changes. Okay, go ahead. If you had to do the remote PC cable run again, how would you do it? I want to put my PC in a far closet, but stuck on a good way to get USB with low latency. Optical Thunderbolt is still the most accessible way to do it. It's really expensive, but it costs a fraction of what it is to do it with that iKron USB dock that is by far the most reliable, performant way that I've found to do remote USB over fiber. But that dock is like$4 ,000 for the two pieces or something like that combined. iKron, you said? Yeah, iKron.

2:58:03I-C-R-O-N. It's because they use FPGAs. Oh, wow. They don't have the volume to do an ASIC.

2:58:13yeah this is probably them okay yep yeah they're based in Burnaby interesting yeah there's like there's a weird little like tech hub in Burnaby like Kronos the high speed camera guys are there D-Wave is there yeah I knew about D-Wave yeah so I guess they're just like hyper business focused which makes sense once you start getting into that pricing Yep. So it's for like factory automations and stuff. Yeah. If you need a bulletproof long distance fiber optic USB thing for like computer vision on your assembly line or something like that, you use this.

2:58:57interesting mark also beltrick says optical usbc to usb dock can also work well that's a really good point You'll have to find a dock and cable combo that cooperates well with each other. I have found that optical USB can be a little bit of a challenge, but if you find a combo that works, that's a great solution as well. That's a good point. Linus, did you ever purchase your 5090 or 5080? And if so, which model did you go with? Video soon? I can't decide between a 5080 Windforce or Gaming OC or a 5090 Ventus. all at MSRP. Well, good news. You won't have to decide between a 5090 at MSRP because that ain't happening.

2:59:42As for whether I did buy one, yes, I did eventually buy a gigabyte one because, not because I was particularly interested in that model, but because that was the one that came in stock with Nick Ploof's pre-order. So that whole, man, I often see comments that are like, this is fake. Like they're just saying this for content. like that whole thing where he and I were like evaluating 5090s and he was going to buy one and then he ultimately decided not to and then I was like well I'll buy you a 5090 if you don't take it it's all real if we don't fake stuff um like can you imagine like being on the internet for 17 years or however long I've been doing this how quickly my web of lies would become tangled if if I wasn't just telling you guys what's happening like so yes I did buy one however I have not installed it it's still sitting in the box the good news is it that turned out to be a great investment sitting in the box oh yeah that's strange I know right that's weird um but I I haven't gotten around to upgrading my PC.

3:00:55So I, and I have that, um, Falcon sent over that frag box for whale land that after whale land, I was like, this is really cool. I should take this home and use it in the theater room. Cause I don't have a PC in there while I wait to do a theater room build. And I still want to do a theater room build because even though the frag box is really quiet for a PC, it's not as quiet as I would want it to be. Like I would want to take one of those racks and turn the whole thing into radiator and then have like the shelf under it be the pc parts or something like that so like i have ideas for what i want to do for like a really silent pc in there um but if i want to like i was playing clairobscure in the theater the other night and i i have done 97 of my gaming time for that game on the uh the gp win 5 um just because it's so convenient it's just it's handheld right it's It's wherever I am.

3:01:49But, man, on the 5090, on that giant screen, that 3 % of the game that I played there, it was glorious. It was incredible. Yeah, I'm going to finish the game soon. The only reason I haven't finished it is my wife got mad at me for neglecting her after I came back from CES and playing Clare Obscure for the next two days. So I'm on Act 3, and I will hopefully finish it pretty quick. Really enjoying it still. a couple more for you hi wanda hello i have managed to return to playing video games today ac odyssey dlc how do you make yourself get back to something that you enjoy but your head rarely lets you make time for them that's a weird thing to call my wife no i'm kidding yvonne actually generally does not give me a hard

3:02:45time he can't hit me he's too far away if i threw something hard enough i'm so sorry yvonne generally doesn't give me a hard time about gaming uh it's only because i was gone for a week and then like kind of ignored her for a full evening and then part of another one and She was like, okay, come on. Yeah, fair enough. I got you. And if I hadn't gone to play badminton on the Saturday as well, then I probably would have escaped unscathed. But I had an inconsiderate couple of days, and so I've been off my game for, yeah, I guess about a week now. But I'll get back to it. I'm going to finish it. Anyway, sorry.

3:03:31How do you get yourself to get back to something that you enjoy, but your head makes sense? You have to schedule it. But for me, the answer is scheduling. I was just going to say it goes in my Google calendar. And then the other big one is doing it with people. So like for instance, badminton, it's as much as I love it, it is still exercise and it's still hard to peel yourself off the couch to go. And so I sign up for a ladder. My Thursday ladder, if I don't show up and I'm the only one, three people are left without someone in their group. So either the staff at Smash Champs has to run around and try and find someone to join the latter last minute or three people don't get to play neither of those outcomes are something that i want to happen yeah so i get off my butt i get dressed and i go to smash this i've been i've been doing alone because you know gym buddies come and go and i currently don't have any but um wow dan called out i've been it's been a long time since then i know yeah okay i still got still called out i've had other gym buddies come and go since then wow and burned yeah called out and burned yeah um you were never that important to him but i i've oh i had fun working out then but um it's it's been a long time since i've been consistently going to the gym because of insane amounts of travel plus the and getting sick and the like mold remediation stuff at my place I've had just genuinely no time, but I have to go back and will be going back.

3:05:01And for me, it's been calendar events. So I have it scheduled where I'm like, okay, I know the first ones are going to kind of suck. So I'm going to ease into it a little bit. You should join Tuesday baddie. Nick Harris comes. Yeah, I probably should. You should join Tuesday baddie. It's good. And then, and then if you, you know, if something's hurting on the court or whatever, there's a gym upstairs. No excuses. it's on the calendar the time is blocked off there's other work people there that you probably wouldn't mind seeing just throwing it out there i'll probably have to bail early literally every time it's a pretty it's my shoulder it's a pretty cool work function we do free badminton every tuesday night for lmg employees um not we have a limited number of spots because we also reserve some spots for no offense to most lmg employees but for like badminton people and that's for a reason that's because like i've seen the way that some people's game has been elevated by having the the real badminton people there and it's huge like tynan's legitimately pretty good at badminton now and he came in like i don't think tynan's watching total like no idea what he's doing and and but he's he's he's athletic i don't think that would offend him he's well yeah no i think He knew.

3:06:14He knew. But he's athletic. He's pretty quickly, he's an intense learner. He's a studier. He's like, he's a very curious person. Yeah. And he kind of, he kind of found being crap at it to be motivating. And not everybody feels that way. But he's like an I'm crap at this, I'm now motivated to be better at this. Just kind of person from everything I've seen about him. And so he's like, pretty good now. Like he'll beat me clean on a smash sometimes. Like he's solid but yeah i'll also try to add something that's interesting so like this time something that i planned on doing is i and i man i had this plan before because it was already a bit of time before i'd been in the gym because of traveling before the mold remediation thing happened in my place but i bought cleats i bought my first pair of cleats since high school because i had my high school cleats for a long time um and my idea was that i was going to i wanted to get just more like specifically running cardio in i know there's a lot of forms of cardio but i want to get running cardio in to not destroy my knees i want to be on a softer surface so ideally grass and i was like it'd be kind of fun to do like old soccer and football drills i'll rollerblade with you in the grass you just have to move closer and we can go rollerblading anytime you want i will literally rollerblade anytime you want i've been i've been peer pressuring him to move closer for like if i do i will now abuse that just i'm secret call you at three in the morning dude it's time to roller blade i would be down i have i have gone night rollerblading more times than you would probably think i love rollerblading it's great it's incredible cardio it is like it is like s tier cardio it's very good if you're doing it right but yeah i wanted to i wanted to get back into running specifically and sprinting specifically realistically sprint on rollerblades but yeah but i want to get back into sprinting so i have those and one of my ideas is that i wanted to i wanted to trickle in running days in between the gym days and stuff and i had all this prepped and then didn't get to do it and now i'm going to be inserting that again so i'm kind of excited to see how that cycle goes um so i'm i found a thing to make it so that it's exciting for me to do it again and then i scheduled it and that little like wombo combo i i i find has worked effectively in past.

3:08:26There's even a hockey cage that is walking distance in my neighborhood. You know you love it. Like a roller hockey cage, that would be... you know you'd get the cardio in. Yeah. Yeah. Get back to work. What is this picture? Says I'll teach you to backflip if you teach me to blade. What is what picture? What is this picture? What is this picture? That's you. It's you. It's the live slug reaction. I don't know what that's in reference to. Dan said it's a meme? I don't know what meme it is because it's not a Zoomer meme because I don't know it. And it's not a Zoomer meme because you don't know it.

3:09:05Well, I know it. Oh, you know it. Okay. Thank God for that.

3:09:20Oh, man. I won't apologize for art. Dan says he won't apologize for art

3:09:29Take it to his commit guns Last one I got for you today In the US, certain states are going through legislature to ban phones from being used by students Nice Even more are wanting to reverse the amount of tech in classes What's your take on all this? Nice He's typing So I think it's really good very good super good I I just couldn't agree more I think phones are a terrible mind-controlling pit of loss of attention span and endless amounts of distraction and having that in classrooms to extremely susceptible kids is a terrible, terrible idea because one teacher or two teachers or whatever are not going to be able to properly police the entire classroom's usage of mobile devices when they can't even see what's happening on the other side of the screen.

3:10:36Reverse the amount of tech used in classes. Yeah, I mean, it's like too much right now because of the phones. Laptops are also a bit of an issue there, but certain locked down laptops, I think could still be a really good idea. I just hope they're funding whatever this is correctly, because it's all fine and good to say, well, the teachers should do more interactive instruction and they should do this and they should do that. But if you're not actually giving them the resources and giving them the funding to do it, then it's just words. The primary thing for me is phones out of classrooms. The rest of it is honestly not even important enough to be in the same conversation.

3:11:13That's all I got? You know what else is not in the conversation? Any more WAN show today. Yeah. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye. Bye. You don't say bye. It's not playing. It's not playing? Why isn't it playing? Oh, it's just stopped. Oh, has it just stopped? You're just not leaving. It's because Sammy said bye. He broke it. You broke literally the entire show. You broke the whole show, Sammy. Don't cut the camera, don't cut the camera I don't know what to do