New Problems Need New Solutions - WAN Show May 29, 2026

15:47Linus Sebastian:A ticket was opened with Unify support to find out was going on. On Thursday, Unify support said updating to the newly released 5.1.12 console resolved the security issue. So we did that. Subsequently, Thursday afternoon, Unify disclosed five vulnerabilities, three of which were a 10 rating and one was a 9.7. All remotely exploitable. So we couldn't even be like, ah, the LAN people are probably cool and just leave it. Like, these were exploitable to people on the internet. Sean updated all the consoles. smash was done friday morning yeah um as an aside we theoretically in time for the land and everything was gucci but as an aside we'd normally never update a console that soon after a release like usually we wait to update patches to see what happens um and usually don't exactly want to update things the day before a land but no due to the the level of vulnerabilities we went for it yeah due to the vulnerability disclosure and the advice of support we just went ahead with it directly and the update does seem to resolve the security vulnerabilities which is great but it but it turned out that 5.1.12 the update was not just a vulnerability update but it was a package update containing a number of improvements and bug fixes with some users reporting it even bypassed the normal early access testing schedule because they needed the security stuff.

17:16Linus Sebastian:But user updates on the Unify forum since Friday have a lot of users complaining about resource utilization issues and random ISP drops. For most, the fix is to roll back to the old version, but that would make the device vulnerable again. Yeah. The only reason we pushed the update to Smash on Friday was security vulnerabilities, otherwise we would have held off. Also, the other consoles updated... Okay. This is a very detailed report. Yeah, that was a little heavy. I should have read it ahead of time. That's my bad, not Sean's bad. That's okay. But yeah, it's... Basically, that screwed us up pretty hard at the beginning because the CPU on something, some piece of Unify hardware, I don't remember which, was just 100 % pinned, and it was causing issues, packet drops.

18:06Luke Lafreniere:I think I heard it was the main core switch. I think so. Not the switches that are at each row of computers, because those realistically are not being hit that hard. But the main switch that's up in the server closet, up in the premium members lounge, was just at 100 % CPU utilization.

18:30Linus Sebastian:It might have been... I know the piece of hardware that AJ mentioned he swapped, he referred to it as Fortress. So it might have been the gateway.

18:38Luke Lafreniere:Oh, was it the gateway? Actually, that makes more sense anyway, because we're probably not even doing that much switching. So we had a pretty, like, entry-level gateway because, like, whatever. We're not really doing that much with it. But when hardware acceleration is off.

18:52Linus Sebastian:And it was able to support Smash Jams just fine. Sorry, not just Smash Jams, but Whale Land just fine. And has multiple times in the past. But whatever this thing that they did was to solve the security vulnerability that reduced hardware performance, which I had heard was they turned off hardware acceleration. We needed just a beefier gateway. So very luckily, you know, the LTT warehouse is right there. So AJ whipped down the road, grabbed a fortress, brought it back, upgraded it. And then he said, like, utilization of the fortress was like higher than you would normally expect. Yeah. Because, I mean, it also had the security update.

19:36Luke Lafreniere:but it has an 18 core processor in it that apparently allowed it to just brute force whatever it needed to do yeah yeah and there were no more and then well no and then we had a little

19:50Linus Sebastian:problem after that but classically it was just dns it's always dns and we fixed that and then it was rock solid for the rest of the event um which is kind of frustrating because there's been like a blip at the beginning of of a few of these whale lands but i think everyone has had an outage for

20:10Luke Lafreniere:some reason or another the first one we screwed up the second one just dude i think you and i have both personally been on telus internet for a combined like 10 years now right probably something like that the the office has some some telus networking smashes on telus i think their uptime across my anecdotal evidence deployments has got to be to like four or five nines. Like my internet is - Hard minimum of three nines. Always up, always up. Probably more than that. And then it just happened during the second Whale Land. We actually had an ISP disconnection, which was freaking wild. And then the third one, we had this stupid vulnerability.

20:54Luke Lafreniere:I swear, we're like snake bitten now. We're not going to be able to host a Whale Land without there being at least one small internet connectivity issue.

21:03Linus Sebastian:I was joking with AJ, but what is even going to happen next? I can't imagine what the next thing is even going to be. A network cable is going to light on fire, Luke.

21:13Luke Lafreniere:Sure, yeah, yeah. It'll be something. It'll have to be something because now it's a tradition at this point.

21:20Linus Sebastian:Yeah, we fixed the 8v8. I guess you know that because we were playing Left 4 Dead.

21:23Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, dude, the 8v8 was freaking bulletproof. like we played a whole round of left for dead through that thing like i just sat down i think there's a couple things i'd love for us to create a script that runs on boot that changes the display refresh rate to 480 because every time they reboot it goes back to 60 hertz um and then i think we could probably get team speak tuned so that every time someone sits down they don't have to play around with the push to talk settings but man those mod mics are so much better than the microphones we were using before uh mod mic sent over a whole our antline excuse me sent over a whole bunch of their usb mod mics dude the quality was totally fine um those 480 hertz monitors are great the

22:11Linus Sebastian:the mod mic situation was actually almost unfortunate because people thought the mod mics weren't necessarily very good and then i i got everyone to fix their team speak and then they were like oh okay sweet because team speak was set to just like basically essentially open mic all the time so the mod mics were picking up whale land because but like you know it's it's uh misuse of hardware at that point it wasn't the mod mic's fault yeah so we we set a volume gate and there might be a better way to set it up but at the very least setting your volume gate to like plus 10 at a whale land just mostly solved the problem yeah no it was fine once everybody just yeah so we're already planning we're going to do some form of thing to set the team speak correctly and then I'm sure there's a script you can run on boot that fixes the screen refresh rate but yeah 8v8 was running pretty well yeah things things were pretty good the the stage activations seemed stronger than last time at the very least there was quite a few times where I saw like a big crowd of people in front of the stage because they were doing something which was cool I think there was like there's a few people not really all that interested in participating and then there was some tournament they had on the stage where there was like pro players of i think it was valorant um i'm saying i think it was valorant because i i can't participate not that i would have won but if i did win it would be just really cringe um but there was a there was a giveaway i think they got like gpus and cpus or something i don't remember what it was but it was just like crazy.

23:46Linus Sebastian:The hardware giveaway was nuts. And when the giveaway happened, I kept like saying to people in my row, like you should probably go. Like the giveaway is crazy because I heard them announced at the beginning, but nobody really clued in until somebody won and got it and like walked away with the stuff. And then the whole audience was like, wait, what? I probably should have done that. It's like, yeah.

24:07Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, you should probably participate in things. That's why we're here, right?

24:13Linus Sebastian:yeah it was good

24:16Luke Lafreniere:that's what's the next one uh the the goal is every three months and the idea schedule's already up

24:24Linus Sebastian:is it i think so upcoming lands yeah so go to uh info top upcoming lands here we go

24:38Luke Lafreniere:that's probably too hard to find uh well whoops okay these dates are tentative and may change though so sometime in late august sometime in late november but yeah the goal is four times a year and the idea is not for people to go to every single one four lands a year forever is a lot like i can't even go to all of them like luke's missed one i was not really present at this last one but like the idea is that you know for instead of like you know 350 people coming to four lands a year the idea is that there'll be a lot of churn there and like you know a thousand to 1500 people will all come to like one a year um because it's uh it was actually really cool to see how many of the how much of our team came out to kind of hang out with the community uh kyle showed up with um um a mock-up or like a like a physical sample of the battery bank that he was just you know doing kyle things and just showing to people i mean the guy loves to talk about engineering anything to do with electrical or mechanical engineering and uh obviously there's a lot of overlap in those interests with our audience so he was having some pretty good conversations that was pretty cool

25:52Linus Sebastian:i also this is this is a random one i just thought of it because they were sitting right behind us and they were playing games with us sometimes. But I think it's kind of like fun that at least one of the sponsors of Whaleland just sits in the land and games. Oh, Threat Locker? Threat Locker.

26:12Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, their guys just come up and like, they chill, they hang out. Play games. It's sweet. You know, I think that kind of thing is really important though because I think it's easy to look at a brand like ThreatLocker and go, oh yeah, they're ThreatLocker. They make like kind of, you know, boring, you know, enterprise software in suits or whatever. And forget that a company like that is probably made up of a bunch of like really geeky, like community member-y type people who just happen to work for ThreatLocker. My experiences with the ThreatLocker folks have actually been really amazing across the board so far.

26:55Luke Lafreniere:So if you guys are ever out of Whale Land, which from my understanding, they're just like the title sponsor forever at this point.

27:00Linus Sebastian:They seem to be at all of them. And they bring shirts and they're nice shirts, actually. So if you want a cool like event shirt. This man, Luke, Luke, this is both,

27:11Luke Lafreniere:this is both an order soldier and a respectful request. Never change. Never change, Luke.

27:20Linus Sebastian:Hey, you can get free stuff, man. What's he saying?

27:23Luke Lafreniere:Hey, five bucks is five bucks. You know what I'm saying? All right. Why don't we jump into our next topic? Ooh. DuckDuckGo installs are spiking after Google put more AI in search. DuckDuckGo says that US app installs jumped an average of 18 % week over week in the six days after Google's IO conference. The surge came right after Google announced a whole mass of new AI search features at Google I.O. Visits to DuckDuckGo's AI-free landing page, noai.duckduckgo.com, also climbed about 23 % on average. DuckDuckGo CEO Gabriel Weinberg said that Google is force-feeding its users AI with no way to opt out, and it's making the search results worse.

28:16Luke Lafreniere:DuckDuckGo still only has around 2 % of the U.S. search market, and it does offer its own AI features, but Weinberg said the company wants to put users in charge and let them decide how much or how little AI they want. Our discussion question is, with AI overviews slash AI interactive quote-unquote search, because is it even search at that point? Just being crammed down your throat, are you ready to just stop googling things uh yeah i mean i've been i've been considering there's a there's a guy on one of my one of my teams now you're good carry on we're good uh i i've been

29:00Linus Sebastian:considering kagi have you heard of kagi i have i've been considering that i think i've even Luke's been considering paying for something.

29:10Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Okay, well, why don't you explain what it is and tell us why you're considering paying for it.

29:17Linus Sebastian:Part of the reason I'm considering paying for it is one of the people on my team that I... I mean, I respect the opinions of all the people on my teams, but he's been using it for a long time and really likes it. Kagi is a paid... Makes me cringe a little bit. But, you know, there's the whole thing of if it's free, you're the product. Uh-huh. but it's a paid web search there's no ads there's no trackers um i think they actually there's no sponsored results there's no sponsored results which is honestly a huge part of it because even google right now like my god man there's been some really misleading stuff like the sponsored results are very clearly um kind of malicious at this point dude i forget who was

30:00Luke Lafreniere:screen sharing with me i might but might have been today or yesterday or something someone was screen sharing with me and they basically like were trying to look something up and like couldn't get past the sponsored results was that was at dan were you in a writer's meeting this morning or no i think it might have actually been in writer's meeting this morning james was just trying to like look something up and he scrolled past the like completely filling above the hold above the fold sponsored results got all the way to the bottom where there was like more kind of misleading or sponsored results and then he had to go like back up people are like yeah yeah there there there i think that's the one yeah there it is unbelievable remember when google's whole mission with search was to help you like actually fucking find something what happened yeah it's a little wild

30:52Linus Sebastian:um it's i don't know it's it's it's interesting kagi has some ai integration stuff um they also have an AI philosophy tagline thing explaining like how they want to use it and why and I think you can kind of choose to not engage. They have something called their Kagi Small Web which I think is pretty interesting. It's interesting to me because Kagi is a paid thing but then it says Kagi Small Web prioritizes authentic human voices. This curated collection features only non-commercial sites submitted by real people. Browse by category or at random to discover hidden gems created for passion not profit i think it's interesting it's interesting it's not cheap it's not cheap which is why i haven't done it yet because i've known about kagi for a while i think this isn't even the first time i've talked about it on wanshow um but however i don't know

31:46Luke Lafreniere:and i would never endorse this the family plan is only 18 a month if you buy it yearly

31:58Luke Lafreniere:for$216 a year for six people. So what does that work out to? And I have no idea how they enforce this. Maybe it's like only two adult ones and then the other ones are only kids. It doesn't look like it. It looks like they're professional plans. So what would that work out to? $216 divided by 12 divided by six would be only$3 a month if you have a big family and your family is six people and your family has a convenient pay app or whatever else, if you know what I'm saying. So yes, it can be pretty expensive, like$10 a month for the professional tier. It seems like kind of a downer. but there are there are ways to you know maybe maybe not as much i mean realistically though would you use more than 300 searches a month do you do more than 10 web searches a day currently because that's only five bucks that's only five bucks for starter my my problem is that there

33:11Linus Sebastian:are days where i use way more than that but i also have to assume that there's days where i use

33:17Luke Lafreniere:practically none um yeah 300 searches and 300 ai interactions per month with standard models for five bucks a month plus tax i think that's a pretty reasonable place to start which is probably why they call it the starter plan that makes sense they were way ahead of me

33:35Linus Sebastian:this isn't an ad but if you're interested you can get 100 searches for free so you can at least try it which is nice with a product like that um have you tried it out yet just use duck duck go no i haven't okay i really should um when we were doing the i've been i've been

33:53Luke Lafreniere:sorry when we were doing the d google your life series um emily was working on this project and like showed me like how well it works and i was i was really impressed because on the one hand obviously they don't have the sheer data volume of someone like a google but on the other hand when it turns out that when you're actively trying to find the right result rather than just force-feeding whatever sponsored garbage you're being paid for um you can overcome a lot of that that's interesting man I I'm gonna commit I will at least try it

34:38Linus Sebastian:before I get back from my trip I will have tried it that'll be my thing because like it's the the the Google search stuff is getting really whack I was trying to usually when I do a trip like this I'll just Google like like right now I'm in Japan so I'll just google like um what time is 4 30 p.m pst or 4 30 p.m in bc because we've been missing other time zones uh in Japan and it'll just link to like time zone converter whatever that is already set for those things so I just click on the link I don't even have to do anything and it shows up perfectly um this trip I almost screwed up the start time of the show because the AI search thing gave me the wrong result.

35:32Linus Sebastian:And the only reason why I got it right was because it like sounded wrong to me. So a few hours later, I searched it again and it gave the right one. But I didn't even type it again. I like clicked on my previous search and did the previous search thing. So like it wasn't a typo or anything. and it just I don't even know how that necessarily happened but it got it off by an hour so like I was almost an hour late for the show Unreal So it's just, stuff like that is like man, I don't need that. That is so unnecessary There's a lot of things I've used Google Search for in the past that it's just worse at now

36:17Luke Lafreniere:Jamie from CW is in the chat being all like, if only Linus would actually wear the shirt that's hanging on the back of his chair. Jamie, you hung it on the back of my chair. Why would I see it there? You got to put it on the front. Anyway, I'm going to put this on. Should we just talk about it now? Because I feel like this is one that's going to resonate a lot with our audience. Dan, should we just do that now? Apparently, we're just going to do that now. Oh, Dan's putting on his shirt too. All right. Luke, I'm sorry. You're missing out on a really good one this week. We'll have one for you. It'll be here when you get back.

36:50Linus Sebastian:Nice. I still don't know what it is.

36:53Luke Lafreniere:Guess what, Luke? What? It comes in tall.

36:57Linus Sebastian:Hey! I like it now.

36:59Luke Lafreniere:Are you ready?

37:03Luke Lafreniere:Then you say, aye, aye, Captain.

37:05Linus Sebastian:Oh, hey! Oh, cool. Nice. Okay. I like it.

37:09Luke Lafreniere:Dude, I love this design. This is from Ashley from CW. you. You know, it's a sentiment that at various points in my life, I have aligned more or less with, depending on, you know, everything that's going on. But I think that it would not be, I think it would be an ice cold take for me to say that it's the alignment is happening more lately. it just feels like so many things are belong to us less than they did last week if that kind of makes sense so here I'll talk through the talking points that I've been given from the CW team if I can find them, god I can never find them Here they are The If Buying Isn't Owning t-shirt Is our response to everyone Who's had their ownership of a game revoked Or a movie that vanished from their library Or found That their car's heated seats Were locked behind a paywall You bought this, you own it It's printed on our classic Polyblend T Soft, breathable Everyday fit, and of course It's a high quality print that won't crack and peel After a few washes honestly given how much i've ranted about digital ownership on the show i'm a little surprised it took us this long to make this shirt is that a fire alarm that would be a hilarious way for the wan show to be interrupted we never really thought of that did we dan we're we've accounted for power outages we've accounted for all manner of technical glitches but i would like to postpone the emergency uh yeah could it could it just wait until the wan show is done they're just testing them i guess right?

39:05Luke Lafreniere:Do you know about this? No. Have you heard about this? No. Never heard about that? Why would you test them? Sounds like irresponsible. Because if they go off, then there's an emergency. Right, if we wear them out. And if they don't go off, then there's no emergency. Which means the Wancho can continue.

39:20Linus Sebastian:That's flawless logic to me. Alright, he's gone. That works.

39:22Luke Lafreniere:Anyway. That works. You can get yours today at lmg.gg slash owning t-shirt.

39:33Luke Lafreniere:what a great picture of Riley

39:40Luke Lafreniere:okay Galaxy Quest is worth buying just throwing that out there oh yeah okay what else we got here alright anywho check it out lttstore.com and hey if you're going to pick one up today then maybe you could use it to send a checkout message. For those who are unfamiliar, checkout messages or comms are the best way to interact with the LAN show. We don't do Twitch bits or super chats or anything where you just throw your money at the screen in hopes that Senpai will notice you. We believe that if you throw money at your screen, you should get high quality merchandise in return. So all you've got to do to send a checkout message is go to lttstore.com, add an item to your cart.

40:26Luke Lafreniere:Note this is available in both regular and tall sizes all right and then when we're live you will see this interface where you can put a checkout message that checkout message after you check out will go to producer dan who will curate it for me or luke to respond to sometimes dan to respond to sometimes all of us or he'll will respond to it or he'll just pop up a little thing that's like hey such and such bought a shirt uh shout out my mom or you know whatever else if your mom watches the show that's cool cool mom uh anyway dan do you want to show us a couple of curated checkout messages yeah sure first one here is for luke in all capitals what was in the usb luke

41:11Linus Sebastian:uh did that linux episode go live or what what what are we what are we talking about is that

41:17Luke Lafreniere:yes it did ah hmm um i think we all i think we all want to know the answer to this luke

41:28Luke Lafreniere:man this is a long pause i don't know i think a pause like 70 of this length would have been something to do with illicit substances this long it's got to be and it's got to involve nudes

41:40Linus Sebastian:nope nope nope nope no no no no pictures no pictures it wasn't about the data it wasn't it wasn't about the uh that's a non-denial no video no no video no video no video no audio no pictures no no no no no it was more about what it did than what it what it uh was it a project yeah

42:08Luke Lafreniere:ah homework I see it was a it was an old one I see

42:13Linus Sebastian:it was a very old project

42:15Luke Lafreniere:a very old project right

42:17Linus Sebastian:yeah I don't know why that drive was in that drawer yeah but it is now elsewhere in the house

42:23Luke Lafreniere:all we can tell you for sure is that at some point Luke bought that drive and now he has it and you shouldn't have it yeah Yeah. Yeah. And if you find it, don't plug it in.

42:44Luke Lafreniere:Or do it. It would be funny. Next. Next call. Get you out of this. I hadn't seen the video. I'm sorry. I didn't know.

42:55Linus Sebastian:Thank you. Oops.

42:57Luke Lafreniere:Howdy, LLD. A Spotify VOD guy here. How would you suggest someone who produces their own podcast the ways to increase their audience. And then in brackets, we're an occult podcast. Wow. I mean, that's got to be a growing segment right now. Spotify VOD. Right? Occult podcast? Yeah. Not a cult, an occult. Yeah. Otherwise, I would... Like witchcraft and stuff, right? Occult? Like afterlife and that sort of thing. Supernatural, mysticism. I mean, I think that's a growing market.

43:34Linus Sebastian:i i don't know if there were the right people to talk to you about how to grow your podcast um yeah we don't do anything we don't we don't do anything at all i don't even say thumbnail style that we had i put uh we don't edit our podcast we have the same thumbnail style

43:49Luke Lafreniere:we had genuinely like 13 years ago or something like that yeah um i don't think we go out of our way to tell anyone about it uh yeah do we do we advertise the land show in our like mainline content have we ever at all no we're like the number four tech news podcast globally or in the us or something like that it's like kind of silly huh and that's on spotify or like yeah podcasts are weird um we go through spotify we use a distribution thing like i think it's called megaphone which is a spotify product uh but podcasts just go everywhere simultaneously it's really cool um there's no like you have to upload it to everything you just upload it somewhere and uh-huh and now you can listen to a podcast right yeah but it gets like hundreds of thousands of listens and downloads per month right yeah cool yes yeah just put it on the internet and then do nothing else yeah that's terrible no no he's gone he's done what we did was we put it on the internet

45:01Linus Sebastian:and what the the something else that we did was a lot of other things and we just hoped that people

45:07Luke Lafreniere:would find it start a youtube channel with 17 million subscribers and then your podcast might get a few hundred listeners find a charismatic co-host do a big like face reveal where he has broken arm you know i mean look if they if they want to follow our playbook they've got to do everything step by step the broken arm is essential i don't think the wan show would be what it is today if not for the broken i mean it wasn't really broken it was it was more damaged and you could get like uh you could get into merch uh you could do like branded excuse me no no no they would do merch oh they would do merch i see branded um like summoning candles oh in in and like you could do embroidered robes and things like that hey doesn't um doesn't that's gotta be a market doesn't dennis have a candle side hustle or something

46:00Linus Sebastian:i he did i don't know if he still does does he still he did for sure hold on dennis leow dennis

46:06Luke Lafreniere:occult candles over candle merch hold on it'd be kind of cool okay this has got to be hold on is this still a thing first result by left 10 year job ltt okay well yeah we miss you too dennis all about dennis uh missing candle okay i don't uh i don't see anything about them is this is this a thing does anyone know no no one in chat is talking about it okay well anyway maybe you'll have to find a different supplier for your for your candles um there's no way that's what he called it uh are these it no i don't think this is it yeah this is from like knoxville forget this um anyway yeah okay so candles what what else would be like i mean obvious there's the obvious ones like like a ouija board but i feel like ouija boards got to be like old school like not cool anymore there's got to be like new trendier occult gimmicks right i mean again you're asking probably two of the least supernaturally attuned people on the face of the earth we did a water bottle they could do a blood chalice a blood chalice oh you could do you know those you know

47:26Linus Sebastian:those like dual layer water bottles where there's like something uh in between the layers yeah you could have like a red liquid in there that'd be kind of fun it's all so it's all spooky like if

47:36Luke Lafreniere:it was a double wall it keeps your blood at body temperature i feel like that's a very like disney store version of like yeah to go along with like maleficent or something version of yeah because like i feel like actual occult things disney blood jealous you could you could put on it you could you could put the spirits of your ancestors let them go let them go

48:04Linus Sebastian:the halloween frozen yeah um you you could put cherry bombs at the bottom of your candles um so that like you just have random explosions in your house so that you but they're not like super loud or crazy they're just a little bit yeah i think a cherry bomb i think a cherry bomb

48:19Luke Lafreniere:would be pretty loud luke have you ever have you ever lit a cherry bomb isn't that like a 16th of I mean, yeah, cherry bombs are pretty serious.

48:27Linus Sebastian:Oh, okay. I don't, I mean, it's been, I was like a child.

48:30Luke Lafreniere:Why do you, why do you hate occult people so much? Yeah, you could put MADs in your pillowcase. Okay.

48:36Linus Sebastian:They're like little, what are the little like, uh, it's like a little white bag and you throw it at the ground. Party snaps? I don't know. Sure. I think that's what they're called. Sure. Like little, little things just so there's like random noises in your house. So you feel like it's haunted. you could make an app that just randomly puts like 98 transparency pictures of people in photos

49:03Luke Lafreniere:i mean if you wanted to like if you wanted to like really make money and grift super hard is you could make an app that lets people talk to their dead relatives so they could just upload they could just input everything about their dead relatives you make it some like ai thing i bet that already exists anyway though god i hate that that's like a real thing at this point

49:24Linus Sebastian:you could you could make uh uh crap what is it called what are those like paper white displays called there's a name for it um ink you can make like e-ink tarot cards so so people could like change the theme on them that's actually sick

49:48yeah that one might actually not be a bad idea yeah i feel like there'd be a lot of like uh

49:54Luke Lafreniere:a lot of like cool like supernatural just kind of stuff that you could do well you can't the best part is you can just make it all up luke you gotta remember you're being you're being very

50:08Linus Sebastian:disrespectful of people's beliefs right now my bad my bad man my bad i mean the thing is like if

50:18Luke Lafreniere:as long as as long as you believe it then it's like it's genuine right in that sort of space right so um yeah you could just kind of uh i guess you can kind of decide what you believe

50:32Linus Sebastian:and then i think the the the yank tarot cards could actually be pretty sweet i feel like

50:37Luke Lafreniere:something with real bone would be cool like i'm sure there's lots of like cow bones you know like from the beef industry i bet there's lots of bones i bet you could do like like like bone you know chess board or something that'd be kind of cool it'd be very like occult the bone feeling yeah

50:55Linus Sebastian:the bone board dude if you could get the the whoa the bones of like opposing animals yeah you could

51:03Luke Lafreniere:do like because like animals that fight in the wild bones of your enemy as a chessboard obviously you that would actually be nuts you watch wanshow so you're probably into like kind of hobbyist type stuff so you could do like like like bone crafted like like models and stuff you could do like uh like uh like trains you know you could do a bone train or like lego kits but made of animal interesting so do you wait so do you make an animal or do you make something else but it's made of pieces of animal no you would get like a collection of bones and it would be like a spaceship or a millennium falcon but made of animal parts interesting fascinating oh man that'd be kind of neat gundam made of bones says conrad yeah hell yeah that'd be sick

51:53Linus Sebastian:dude gundam primal that would be that would be sweet all right so to get more listeners for your podcast

52:01Luke Lafreniere:start a toy company made of animals yeah i do love i do love that that uh dan dan created like lego taxidermy um and the best part the best part of all of their things being made out of animals is that they'll only become more dedicated listeners because if they weren't haunted already, they will be soon. Yeah, there's 10 ,000 rats in my dreams because I bought all the kids. Are they hyper-intelligent or are they just normal rats? They'd be just screaming. It's just like my normal dreams. I don't know why I'm just talking about this.

52:44Luke Lafreniere:They live in my walls. Oh, no. Talking of living in my walls, are you guys ready to play some tape to tape? We are. This is actually very exciting, and you guys should be as excited about it, if not more so, than I am. Am I supposed to do the Razer read now? I don't know if it's before or after. I think we're basically just going to play some games, and then maybe we'll do the sponsors later. Okay, cool. Well, basically... Basically, I'm going to throw the link in the chat. Okay. Dan's putting a JotForm link in the chat. If you want to just go there yourself, it's lmg.gg slash tape number two tape.

53:30Luke Lafreniere:We are going to be playing head to head some roguelite hockey game. And you guys can bet on the result of the match for a chance to win. No spoilers. I'm not going to tell you what it is. I don't think you get a laptop on the dock. Let's see here. But it's a really good prize from Razer. Cooling pad, the Joro gaming keyboard, or Thunderbolt 5 dock chroma. Wait, it's not a laptop? It's not a laptop. So not what Linus was alluding to. Oh, I thought you said it was a laptop, Dan. It's laptop accessories, it seems like. Oh, so we don't actually... You can't win the propane. You just win the propane accessories.

54:16Luke Lafreniere:well and Razor's never sponsoring us again way to go Dan and me I guess I also contributed

54:28Luke Lafreniere:you know when we assume it makes an ass of you and me Luke you are as red as your shirt

54:40Linus Sebastian:oh my god okay

54:42Luke Lafreniere:I mean, technically I've never promised the laptop before.

54:50Linus Sebastian:You might win this. You're not going to, but you might.

54:54Luke Lafreniere:So do you remember when the guy asked about growing his podcast? I'd strongly recommend not alienating your sponsors as part of your overall strategy. To be fair, this is on me, so maybe I'm banned from Razor.

55:07Linus Sebastian:Oh, man.

55:08Luke Lafreniere:Maybe I'm banned from Razer. I'll make it up to them. Razer, we really, really appreciate you sponsoring the WAN show. Please don't stop sponsoring the WAN show. I actually miss your chairs whenever I have to do a remote WAN show. Thank you, Razer. Now let's play some video games, which Razer's stuff is really good for. I've got my Razer Wolverine V2 controller here, okay? I'm going to be playing some tape-to-tape. and you guys can go ahead and you can place your bets. That's in the Jop form, right, Dan? Yes, it is. Prizes are at the top of the Jop form. I guess we'll get our other participants in here and get set up.

55:50Luke Lafreniere:Other participants? We're doing doubles. We're doing doubles. Okay, so who do I have to carry? Oh, hey, what's up? All right. So, wait, if people haven't, well, come on in. Come on. Come on. Come on in. Come on down. Are you on Linus's team? Oh, shit. Who's on Linus's team? I'll take Sammy. No, I'm on your team. Because I've got the, yeah, I kind of. You're in Luke's. I assumed. Because Luke's got the latency disadvantage, so. Yeah, across the world. Yeah. Oh, man. And see, I was sitting here thinking, man, anyone who doesn't bet on me is going to be crazy because Luke of having this latency disadvantage.

56:37Luke Lafreniere:But then I end up with this guy who, for whatever reason, I look like a hobbit next to right now. This is quite the wide angle lens we've got here. You know what? I'm leaning into it. I'm going even closer to the center of the frame here. No, Sammy, you're going to stay at the edge. Sammy, I like the helmet, dude. Hell yeah, man.

57:00Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, you're going to need to take that off because I don't want to lose this thing.

57:04Linus Sebastian:You know, I was pretty worried about the whole latency issue that I got going on, but I'm feeling pretty good about my chances right now. Yeah. The teams look pretty good, I think. Okay. I'm happy about this.

57:13Luke Lafreniere:All right. We should both just play as the same team. Why don't we just both play as the Calaveras? Okay. Okay.

57:19Linus Sebastian:Right now I've got no audio too, so I can't hear Luke. What controller number are you, Linus? I'm four. Okay. I'm five.

57:27Luke Lafreniere:All right. maybe you don't have audio okay wait what are you is is sammy supposed to be mic'd his mic is like completely in front of his face uh no no dan's got it dan's got it have your water too yeah what i mean if you if you need some of it i guess uh we're teammates sammy you're not on the right team i don't who are you you're on the right i'm number four oh okay so hold on i need to do a pre-briefing with my teammate here. No, no, no. Do you remember how to play this game? I've never played. Shut up. No, that's not even true. I thought you have. Are you even serious right now? Let's go. Oh, man.

58:17Luke Lafreniere:Okay. This is all you need to know. This button right here, this button right here is pass. the direction that you push is the direction your pass will go pass it to me okay this is body check b for body check so you go up next to them and you like you like try to whack them okay

58:37Linus Sebastian:uh this is if you aim at your own net and you press x no it just automatically sends it to no it's an it's an automatic pass to your friendly player he's trying to get you to own goal what i can't even hear him i have no headphones okay i'm playing audio list uh all right terrific

58:57Luke Lafreniere:oh man this is so so then we have same this is brutal thanks razor

59:08Luke Lafreniere:okay listen to the one show actually sammy oh oh this is terrible what what are you complaining about i complain with me i'm not complaining about anything sammy this is great uh okay i struggle with bad leadership i okay seriously

59:33Luke Lafreniere:if we some if we somehow win this it's going to be a christmas miracle so here's what we're going to do sammy oh you already readied up you haven't even picked a position yet.

59:43Linus Sebastian:This is positions?

59:44Luke Lafreniere:It's hot. Okay, who keeps entering the... I'm not pressing anything. Okay, hold on. Okay, Sammy, press B. Okay, now press Y. Yeah, you're going to be our left winger, for better or for worse. You know, I don't watch hockey either. I did not... You should also go left winger. I did not pick Sammy for this challenge. Okay, Dan. All right. Just two. Okay. Just to clarify. Let's just get this over with. Ready up, everybody. What if I clutch up? Yeah. You better lock in. Okay, let's do... Oh, I don't have control. Let's do... What just happened? No, we got to... I didn't do that. I didn't do that.

1:00:28Linus Sebastian:Oh, we're playing.

1:00:29Luke Lafreniere:No, no, we're not. This is not the right format for this. Okay. What version of the game is this? This is a pretty new build. Okay. Okay, who has control? Play now. Oh, I have control. Oh no. Quick match. Okay. Alright, this is all fine. Oh, it remembers. Everybody ready up? Sammy, wait. Hold on. Okay, press A. Okay, four periods. Go down. Period duration, two. Skater count.

1:01:07Luke Lafreniere:3v3. Difficulty, very hard. Power-ups on, injuries off Yep, that all sounds good, okay, here we go Alright, well We're boned

1:01:19Linus Sebastian:We could win, you don't know Don't be negative, who am I? I don't know if I'll ever be able to win a face-off with this latency Who am I?

1:01:27Luke Lafreniere:Okay, now pass it to me Okay, alright, we're off to a good start We're off to a good start, okay So the red sweaters are Me and Sammy Alright Alright, aw dude, we got this. Dude, I think the game's running at like 30 FPS.

1:01:47Linus Sebastian:Uh, mine's running at maybe 2. I didn't see anything there. This is potentially unplayable.

1:01:55Luke Lafreniere:It would've happened. Oh my goodness, Daniel! I don't know what's going on!

1:02:01Linus Sebastian:I literally can't see it all.

1:02:04Luke Lafreniere:Dan, what's going on?

1:02:08Luke Lafreniere:I think our networking might not be usable Pass up, pass up There we go Now go to the other side and be ready to shoot Yeah, or not Oh, extra shoot I think we might have to do this next week, Dan I think with Luke remote It's not going to work

1:02:29Linus Sebastian:I'm genuinely getting Like No frames per second, I think Yeah, I think it would average out to zero.

1:02:37Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I think this might not work, everyone. Hold on. Where's the Steam Remote Play interface? Do you want to bring that up? You were looking at the latency. Is this the host? Yes. Okay. Fast.

1:02:58Quality fast.

1:03:00Linus Sebastian:Razor might be able to solve some problems with your setup Is there any reason for us not to be plugged in on this? For streaming?

1:03:14Luke Lafreniere:That might be good. Do we have an Ethernet cable? Because I would personally probably never try to host four players remoting into a machine on a wireless connection. Our access point on this side of the office is actually kind of old, and it seems like it's been flaky sometimes. Isn't it upstairs too? It's far away too. Which might be okay for the clients, but probably is not a good thing for the host.

1:03:47Linus Sebastian:He's finding the buttons on the back now.

1:03:49Luke Lafreniere:Nice. Solid. All right. Should, uh, oh man. Now, okay. Well, can I even.

1:03:57Linus Sebastian:We had a great breakaway and everything. And then my side just like literally stopped working. And I was like, well, okay, I can't do this. Sorry.

1:04:07Luke Lafreniere:Okay. Dan didn't come back with a long Ethernet cable but he came back with several short ones

1:04:15Linus Sebastian:If you have enough switches you can make that work I love the WAN show

1:04:22Luke Lafreniere:Is Pancras's mic even on? You might have to sit a little closer to it I don't think it's picking you up I've been hearing them Oh you have? Okay good, excellent

1:04:31Linus Sebastian:Dude we were styling We were doing alright I don't know why actually It was working fine for like, I'm guessing 15 seconds. Yeah, I was going to say 15, 20 seconds. Yeah. And then just nope, completely stopped.

1:04:46Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Splice time. No, the last thing we're going to be doing is splicing together Ethernet cables to try to get this working.

1:04:54Linus Sebastian:Dude, that would probably make a pretty good WAN show.

1:04:57Luke Lafreniere:Dan, I totally believe you that it was working because it even worked perfectly for like the first minute. I blamed Luke. You know what? Let's go with that. Not my fault. That's fine. That's acceptable at this time. Shout out Razer, by the way, for having Ethernet built into their gaming laptops. That wasn't to be taken for granted for a minute there. Yeah.

1:05:20Linus Sebastian:And it's not even one of those stupid flippy ones. It's an actual plug.

1:05:27Luke Lafreniere:What you doing, Dan? He's hacking. Hacking the mainframe. He's the hacker knows 4chan. Okay. All right. Okay. So, oh, that's interesting. Right. We're not getting, oh my goodness. Yeah. We're not getting a connection. What are we plugged into? All right. We're connected. Let's go. We did it. I think we're going to need the remote play invites again. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, bud. Thanks, Dan. Should we do a quick topic, Luke, while we wait? Sure. Oh, and of course, Dan's needed for that as well, so that he can remove the thing from the thing. All right, let's do a quick topic while we wait.

1:06:19Linus Sebastian:With guests, sure. California moves to exempt Linux from its upcoming age verification law after backlash over forcing operating systems to collect users' ages. In late 2025, California passed the Digital Age Assurance Act. Yep, ACT is in all capitals, but that is not the acronym. That takes effect on January 1st, 2027. Rather than forcing websites to handle ID checks, the law will try to push age gating down to the OS level. The OG law initially stated that all operating systems must ask for the user's age and birthday when setting up the device initially, and then apps and websites would get that data through an API, as if that would do anything.

1:07:05Linus Sebastian:After a bunch of pushback by the open source community, especially for accountless Linux distributions, the argument was that they would be legally obligated to build age tracking APIs. Buffy Wicks, the same lawmaker who wrote the original bill, just fast-tracked an amendment to exclude any OS distributed under licenses, allowing users to copy, redistribute, and modify the software. So, essentially, if an operating system is open source, private, non-commercial, then it will be excluded. Unfortunately, SteamOS is in a bit of a gray area, as while running Linux, it is tied to a proprietary app ecosystem of the Steam storing client.

1:07:49Linus Sebastian:Is it?

1:07:52Luke Lafreniere:um oh man i mean it okay it is certainly it's not oh can you run steam os without logging into steam because that's where i could see the distinction happening i've never it's never occurred to me to run steam os without logging into steam yeah like why would you luca 103 says yes i think i think yeah which is have you ever tried to run steam os without logging into steam no no yeah that's never that's never if you can because at what point in time do you have to log into

1:08:33Linus Sebastian:steam when setting up steam os i think it's like on it's right away yeah it's like right away like

1:08:38Luke Lafreniere:you install it and then it dumps you onto a login screen i don't know if there's a way to get to

1:08:42Linus Sebastian:desktop mode without logging in though and if you could then theoretically i feel like valve could change that pretty easily i feel like they would if if it allowed them to circumvent this yeah even even that doesn't seem like a long-term problem to me with that said i mean okay steam

1:09:04Luke Lafreniere:already asks you your age anyway that's what i was about to say so i'm not even sure what what difference that would ultimately make um dan should we uh okay let's i mean we can finish any conversation around this sure i also wanted to jump in and talk about the other bill that's uh going down in california right now and that's one that uh would bar publishers from switching off game servers without thinking of players uh this passed a california state assembly vote i believe this was i think this was earlier today or yesterday or something like that but basically um okay i read it i read a different summary of this earlier that from my understanding of it pretty much said yeah you can turn off your game that's totally fine we can't expect people to support a game forever but if you do you have to provide i believe it was 60 days of notice chat jump in and help me out because this didn't end up in the notes but i believe it's 60 days of notice and then at the end of that 60 days you have to provide some way for the game to be accessed you have to provide the code or you have to provide some way for it to be accessed and that's pretty much what luke and i have been asking for since games as a service was a thing and servers started being turned off for things like mmos where at least back then there actually was a very compelling reason why it had to be always online and why so much of it had to be server side nowadays i'm not even convinced that a lot of the games that are so dependent on online services even need to be they just are because I don't know, f*** you or something.

1:11:01Linus Sebastian:I think it's noted that it's only for games you purchase, not free games. I'm 80 % sure about that because I read this yesterday as well. I think it's only games you buy. It's like buy to rent. It's not buy to rent anymore.

1:11:14Luke Lafreniere:Oh, I see.

1:11:15Linus Sebastian:So like League of Legends would be it can die and then that's it.

1:11:20Luke Lafreniere:Right. That actually kind of makes sense.

1:11:25Linus Sebastian:I'm intelligent.

1:11:30Luke Lafreniere:It's what an intelligent person would say, right? Oh. All right. Should we take another crack at our game thing that we have going on here? All right, Dan, let's give it a shot. What are the odds that this is going to work? Whoa, whoa, okay. Leave without saving changes. Cancel.

1:11:54Linus Sebastian:We can start it again.

1:11:56Luke Lafreniere:Okay. Here we go. I am center. I'm not in the game. Hold on. I'm trying to join. Brilliant. Genius. Love it. I heard something.

1:12:10Linus Sebastian:It says the host is busy. I am busy. You can literally see my hand. I pressed nothing. Do you want me to take center? Yeah, actually. Yes. Yes, absolutely.

1:12:26Luke Lafreniere:Okay, and actually new cancel that wasn't me that was that was me that was me sorry uh i'm actually gonna take uh i'm actually gonna take defense sure yeah we've only got three players okay okay uh okay i'm resuming now here we go where am i oh wait i am not assigned to a player one sec. Yeah. We've only got wingers. Sorry. Okay, I need to be right defense. Okay, there we go. Okay, I'm good. We good? Okay, Sammy. What? Ah, you can resume the game. Alright, here we go.

1:13:09Linus Sebastian:I'm anxious. I'm anxious. Where am I? I have no stick. Oh, no. I have no stick and I must scream.

1:13:17Luke Lafreniere:Have you thought of getting a stick then? I don't know. Um, what are you doing, bud? I'm trying tackle! I was buying time so he could get his stick. To tackle? What am I supposed to do? Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. I'm dead. How are we not totally... Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Watch this! Watch this drive. Watch what? What do you even... Watch this drive. Pass it! A score! I need to clip. I need to clip. I would legitimately... How did that not?! Rather it go to my AI at this point. What do you mean though? Oh! Nice hit! Okay, I don't think anyone's gonna score. No, no watch this. At all.

1:13:57Linus Sebastian:No watch this. Don't be so negative.

1:14:01Luke Lafreniere:Oh, shi - Wait, I'm trying to beat people up. What the heck? Oh my goodness. Okay. We have this - we have - oh, pass to me! Dude, I'm so slow. Why am I so slow? Oh, I just completely lagged out!

1:14:17Linus Sebastian:No! No, you got it. You got it. I got it? Yeah! I couldn't even see! Let's go! My screen was completely frozen! Boom!

1:14:30Luke Lafreniere:We lost in the EMT, that's crazy. Oh man. Alright. Where am I? Who am I? Oh man, who are you? Who are you indeed? Oh, I got it! I can't see again. Go Linus, go! Oh my goodness. I'm lost. Okay, I passed. I don't know. You said pass, or I passed. All right. Oh, man. Sammy, we are going to get destroyed.

1:14:59Linus Sebastian:Why are we playing League of Legends? That's one game we're good at. Where am I? Oh, this is me. Okay, so... We're going this way? What is happening? Should I be the big guy? Should I be the big guy? What the heck? Wait, you can't pause. That's illegal. What is this? That's illegal. You just... Why not switch to the defense?

1:15:16Luke Lafreniere:We're on the rush and you just paused the game. What is that?

1:15:19Linus Sebastian:I think we should get penalty for that.

1:15:21Luke Lafreniere:I think there is a penalty for that. It's called delay of game. Also, unsportsmanlike conduct.

1:15:27Linus Sebastian:You guys did the same thing. We were already paused. Right defense. All right. Fine. I see what you're doing. I lost my... Where am I? It's past, Sammy. I'm lost. I'm lost. He paused. I'm lost in the sauce.

1:15:43Luke Lafreniere:You're blue.

1:15:44Linus Sebastian:Oh, boy. Oh, I not attacked an old teammate! There we go. Unbelievable!

1:15:52Linus Sebastian:Oh, you took me out. Sorry. I'm getting fired. I'm gonna get fired. Magic getting fired. Cannot play tape-to-tape, a video game.

1:16:02Luke Lafreniere:Oh, man.

1:16:03Linus Sebastian:Cannot perform on camera.

1:16:05Luke Lafreniere:How many hours do you have in this game, Pankratz?

1:16:08Linus Sebastian:At least a couple dozen.

1:16:10Luke Lafreniere:Uh-huh.

1:16:11Linus Sebastian:Oh, I also have a couple dozen.

1:16:12Luke Lafreniere:Sure you do.

1:16:13Linus Sebastian:Of minutes. Where am I? Oh, there I am.

1:16:16Luke Lafreniere:Unreal.

1:16:17Linus Sebastian:Watch this.

1:16:19Luke Lafreniere:What am I watching, Sammy?

1:16:20Linus Sebastian:Watching them score. Oh, shoot.

1:16:22Luke Lafreniere:I mean, yeah, I'm definitely watching that.

1:16:25Linus Sebastian:So how do I throw my stick?

1:16:27Luke Lafreniere:You can't.

1:16:28Linus Sebastian:Well, why can't I?

1:16:30Luke Lafreniere:Sammy, get out of the way. You can't check him. You're just in the way of me throwing my stick at him. Oh, I can't tackle? It's not called tackling. What's it called? I don't play this sport or game.

1:16:43Linus Sebastian:Pass pass pass

1:16:45Luke Lafreniere:Oh man

1:16:46Linus Sebastian:I don't play the sport or the game

1:16:51Luke Lafreniere:There we go Oh my god

1:16:56Linus Sebastian:Computer score You're losing the house Alright Where am I?

1:17:03Luke Lafreniere:Okay our new goal Sammy is to score one goal That's our goal Sammy oh my god do anything Oh my god, I got it. Watch this. You have no stick! Just pass it to the AI. It'll be better than nothing. I did! I passed an AI! Oh, it's me! It's me! Get out of the way! Pass! Oh my god, Sammy! Wait, why can't I score? Why am I not score? Okay. Wait, what's so bad at scoring? I don't know.

1:17:31Linus Sebastian:Oh, shoot. That was my bad. That's all good. Wait, why can't I throw my stick with tackle?

1:17:37Luke Lafreniere:You can't! Just don't worry about it!

1:17:39Linus Sebastian:I'm curious! Pass up! I'm curious. It doesn't matter right now. You have no stick!

1:17:43Luke Lafreniere:Oh, I didn't have my stick. Flash, you're throwing. Yeah, I'm the one throwing. Listen, watch this. Definitely me. What if I just pause the game right now?

1:17:52Linus Sebastian:No way, I don't do that. Oh, oh watch this. No pass! Oh my god, Sammy!

1:18:02Luke Lafreniere:Oh. I'm trying to get the pre-alleged... Pass off. I did, I passed, I passed. You can't just shoot it straight at the goalie it doesn't do anything.

1:18:11Linus Sebastian:What does it?

1:18:12Luke Lafreniere:Well no!

1:18:13Linus Sebastian:Does it go through? No it does, it does, it does. Okay see, I trust Luke. Lion's speaking crap. Listen, I trust Luke. Why? You shouldn't! What do I do? I don't know what to do right now.

1:18:23Luke Lafreniere:I don't know.

1:18:29Luke Lafreniere:Okay, here we go. Who's with me? Me. Who's with me? Okay, pass it over. Okay, here we go. Oh my god, you passed to the AI! You said pass to the AI! You said pass to the AI! I said pass to me!

1:18:43Linus Sebastian:Originally you said to pass to the AI. Oh my goodness. What the heck is our guy doing way back there? The business team is going to kill me.

1:18:50Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. I'm not coming into work on Monday. Wait, why?

1:18:56Linus Sebastian:Am I doing bad? Oh my god. Go AI! Oh no, my mic's hot. Oh, that's funny.

1:19:06Luke Lafreniere:Oh, he got a ball. I'm coming, I'm coming. Move, get out of my way, Linus. No, Sammy, you get out of my way. I'm trying to get the puck. No. Why can't I get the puck? Oh, man. What do I do? This is actually worse than if I was just playing myself. Go play, Rats.

1:19:27Linus Sebastian:Wait, okay. Okay, hold on. What was it to do then?

1:19:30Luke Lafreniere:Am I gonna have to sub in? I probably played more Sammy and I together I've played a video game before

1:19:42Linus Sebastian:With my latency issues, I'm barely even here. So really I think this is just Linus losing the game. Yeah

1:19:46Luke Lafreniere:I mean that was my bad just now.

1:19:48Linus Sebastian:Oh, I got it. I got it. Oh, I don't got it.

1:19:51Luke Lafreniere:No, you don't got it You can't just like assume you've got it. I got it. I got it. No, you don't. You're not the first one

1:19:59Linus Sebastian:I could do the first one.

1:20:01Luke Lafreniere:Wait, you don't even have your stick! Where did my stick go? I'm dead on the ground. This is unbelievable

1:20:10Linus Sebastian:Elias, do you still appreciate me? Oh, God.

1:20:13Luke Lafreniere:Oh, man.

1:20:17Luke Lafreniere:I missed. Oh, I got - Just get out of here. Doesn't even matter. Nothing matters.

1:20:25Linus Sebastian:Listen, I got it. Wait, where's my stick? I got the stick!

1:20:28Luke Lafreniere:What the - No! What do you mean no? No, no, I'm not okay fine We got one unbelievable Right to wrap everybody jump Sammy you're killing it. I'm killing somebody

1:20:48Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, we almost soloed that deal.

1:20:51Linus Sebastian:Do you have high blood pressure?

1:20:52Luke Lafreniere:Sure, Sammy was behind the net Luke I passed!

1:20:55Linus Sebastian:I passed! Like, yeah!

1:20:56Luke Lafreniere:Sammy's gonna end up with no blood pressure after this. I'm low cortisol. That is the spot to be.

1:21:01Linus Sebastian:Clearly you guys just scored from there. Low cortisol type B. I got it! See, look at that! Okay, hold on. Sammy, pass it back right now! No! What the - Sammy, what the hell?

1:21:12Luke Lafreniere:You said it was beat-bit, you beat-bit! Luke said pass it! Yeah!

1:21:24Luke Lafreniere:Why would you follow Luke's instructions? You have a trusting voice.

1:21:35Luke Lafreniere:I'm so sorry. Please buy a Razer laptop. Sammy, how's that screen look? It looks great. It's 240 hertz. It's so bright.

1:21:46Linus Sebastian:I can't see how much shame I'm bringing lives right now.

1:21:50Luke Lafreniere:It's like the brightness. The nit. I've never seen him this upset before Honestly You've never seen me play tape Sammy why is everyone standing around with me Why are you following me Sammy Just go anywhere other than right next to me I did You got mad at me I didn't do anything to get mad See I got it No you didn't get anything Oh I got it Yeah but you didn't shoot it Hold on

1:22:20Linus Sebastian:I'm not with you

1:22:22Luke Lafreniere:I mean, it doesn't matter. Pankratts and an AI is better than me and an AI and Sammy. Oh, man. This is absolutely brutal. Nice. Oh, what? Nothing's happening. No, it flew.

1:22:46Linus Sebastian:I'm surprised.

1:22:49Luke Lafreniere:Really?

1:22:50Linus Sebastian:Holy smokes! He shot ratted him, why can't mine do that? Was that a five hole? It went right through the watchers, no watcher. Well, it didn't go, it was a rebound.

1:22:57Luke Lafreniere:See, why can't mine do that? Well, because you're never in the right spot, you're not right in front. You went straight, it went through his legs! Why can't mine do that? Cause you play League of Legends. I don't like to do five of them often. Pick up a video game. I think this is a bigger issue.

1:23:13Linus Sebastian:Oh, I'm lagging out. It's all you, I'm lagging out. Oh, I'm lagging out!

1:23:16Luke Lafreniere:I don't know, whatever, just give it to him. Sure, fine.

1:23:19Linus Sebastian:No, no, no. I'm still negative.

1:23:22Luke Lafreniere:What do you mean negative? I'm just telling you what you did.

1:23:24Linus Sebastian:Listen, half the battle is positivity.

1:23:27Luke Lafreniere:Oh, my goodness.

1:23:28Linus Sebastian:How do you throw it?

1:23:29Luke Lafreniere:You don't. You're not. You can't. How many times do I have to tell you you can't? I did, though. I did, though. No, you didn't. You can't. I could if I really believed. No, you can't. Oh, man. Why did the AI pass to me there? Unbelievable.

1:23:48Linus Sebastian:Oh, I don't know.

1:23:50Luke Lafreniere:Unreal.

1:23:51Linus Sebastian:Not with you. That was all the AI. Oh boy. Oh, nice throw. Oh, I got it. I'm down. I'm down.

1:24:00Luke Lafreniere:I don't know. Just do nothing. That's fine.

1:24:02Linus Sebastian:I'm trying to get an angle, but you don't have a stick!

1:24:08Luke Lafreniere:Oh, man. Pass up. Maybe we can still - Oh, sure. We'll just shoot it at the referee. Just do that.

1:24:19Linus Sebastian:I love that the game ends with Blitus' character just laying down on the ice.

1:24:24Luke Lafreniere:Sammy, I put next month's rent on this.

1:24:28Linus Sebastian:The hell, dude? Yeah, I bet against us.

1:24:32Luke Lafreniere:Sammy, yeah, I was going to say, did you have money on you?

1:24:35Linus Sebastian:Well, you know, I was told that there was a big prize, so I was like...

1:24:39Luke Lafreniere:All right. So anyway... The great thing about Razer Gaming Hardware is that... Even if

1:24:55Luke Lafreniere:Even if your partner is terrible You can You can still have a Sexy laptop

1:25:03Linus Sebastian:I feel like it's not all my fault You missed a few shots, let me be honest If you shot a little better We would have got like two seconds

1:25:10Luke Lafreniere:You know, there is a way for us to Experiment with this We could control for this I could play against them literally without you and see if I do better. I mean, we could find out if you're an impediment or if you're a help.

1:25:25Linus Sebastian:I don't know how much time we have, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know how much time we have. I guess we'll never know. I guess we'll never know. Yeah, I guess we'll never know.

1:25:32Luke Lafreniere:Oh my goodness. Thanks, Razor. Yeah, thank you, Razor. That was truly, that was truly something. Floatplane chat says do it. Floatplane chat says do it.

1:25:44Linus Sebastian:This is not my show. Oh, yes.

1:25:49Luke Lafreniere:Oh, no. All right. Thanks, Sammy. That was fun. Goodbye.

1:25:53Linus Sebastian:I'm being pulled out.

1:25:54Luke Lafreniere:Oh, man. Are you going to do another one? If not, Sammy, can you? I mean. It's up to you. Sure. You know what? Sure. Let's see. Oh, my goodness. It's not my fault. Oh, wait. How is this even going to work? Because his laptop is the host machine, and it has the wired connection.

1:26:15Luke Lafreniere:uh oh yeah if we just don't no yeah if we just don't select a thing

1:26:18Linus Sebastian:yeah how did people vote and stuff how did that work

1:26:27okay there okay all right here we go

1:26:34Luke Lafreniere:all right uh let's see oh he won't be able to throw a stick anymore yeah he won't be he won't be able to do anything. It'll be glorious.

1:26:44Linus Sebastian:You're on LD.

1:26:45Luke Lafreniere:Okay, Luke, are you in?

1:26:48Linus Sebastian:No, give me one sec.

1:26:54Linus Sebastian:Yeah, and you're on the wrong one. Yeah, you need... You won't have a player.

1:27:00Luke Lafreniere:I won't have a player. Oh, is it RD? Yeah. Whoops. I didn't think I changed it. That's weird. Also, it looks like Sammy's laptop has to be in because he's the host. so i will just do this what is what is it attached to the the power yeah yeah i got you no we're good we're good everything is good everything is fine everything is beautiful everything is fine we're doing yeah everything's fine uh so it'srd okay here we go all right you guys ready we're fine here how are

1:27:33Linus Sebastian:Yeah, thanks.

1:27:35Luke Lafreniere:That's great.

1:27:37Linus Sebastian:All right.

1:27:42Luke Lafreniere:All right, game on. Okay, wait. Why am I not RD then? Hold on. No, I don't have a player.

1:27:51Linus Sebastian:That's weird. I am. Maybe the lineups are... That's weird.

1:27:57Luke Lafreniere:Very weird.

1:27:58Linus Sebastian:I had a player, and I'm right D.

1:28:01Luke Lafreniere:Okay, let's see.

1:28:05Luke Lafreniere:Do I have a player now?

1:28:06Linus Sebastian:Yep. Are you good?

1:28:08Luke Lafreniere:Which one am I? You have the right one? You're orange. No, I'm center. That's so weird. Hold on, sorry guys. Yeah, I'm center for reasons that I can't comprehend. You know what?

1:28:19Linus Sebastian:That was a vicious time to pause the game.

1:28:21Luke Lafreniere:Sorry. Oh! You quit the game to win it! You guys, fine, you guys can have a one goal hand to get. I didn't have control of the player yet Luke you guys were playing against AI's

1:28:35Linus Sebastian:I'm just I just sad it's not it's not unfair it's just that It should be right D. It should it should be right D. Uh, we were both right D last time and I was right D And it worked.

1:28:46Luke Lafreniere:Hold on.

1:28:47Linus Sebastian:I don't know why it made you center. Do you have to have a center? You have to control the center.

1:28:51Luke Lafreniere:Uh, I don't know. That's a good question. I don't think so Okay, so it's supposed to be right D. Okay. Let's see if this works Okay, here we go.

1:29:04Luke Lafreniere:Oh, for crying out loud. Serenity now.

1:29:12Luke Lafreniere:Alright, we'll do two longer periods, so this will be just a quick one.

1:29:15Linus Sebastian:That means that you'll get the Luke cam on the delay. Okay.

1:29:21Luke Lafreniere:Okay. We good? It looks like you have a total of them. Yeah, we're good.

1:29:25Linus Sebastian:It's all one screen.

1:29:27Luke Lafreniere:Alright, game on boys. Oh Wait, hold on Luke are you in? I am now. You good? All right, he's good. He's good. He's good. Alright. Alright.

1:29:46Linus Sebastian:Oh my goodness.

1:29:48Luke Lafreniere:Where's my stick at? Oh my goodness. Oh boy.

1:29:59Linus Sebastian:I can't do anything against you.

1:30:01Luke Lafreniere:Alright, here we go. Ba-Bow!

1:30:04Linus Sebastian:Oh!

1:30:07Luke Lafreniere:Oh, what? Oh my god. Sorry, sorry, that was me. That was my bad. For what? You know what?

1:30:14Linus Sebastian:This is way laggier than last time. I don't know what happened.

1:30:20Luke Lafreniere:We can just call it. It's not gonna settle anything if you're just lagging the whole time. There we go!

1:30:28Linus Sebastian:Oh, it might! Because I didn't even have control of my screen for that again! And we still scored! I'm just in the right position, I spam-xed!

1:30:38Luke Lafreniere:Oh my goodness!

1:30:40Linus Sebastian:This second shot, that did not happen on my screen! Only the first one happened, and I was like, I'm just gonna keep pressing it just in case.

1:30:54Oh

1:31:00Luke Lafreniere:Here we go. Yeah, I knew that was coming

1:31:08Luke Lafreniere:Let's go Seriously the AI's are so much more useful than Sammy like infinitely he had a magical way of being completely wherever was completely in my way at all times. Like if I was trying to throw a stick to intercept something, he was in the way. If I was trying to pass, he was in the way. Did you bribe him?

1:31:34Linus Sebastian:No, no, no. I was going to say I might have hit that stick throw if I was able to control the game. Oh my god, yeah. Yikes, I was a little bit behind you.

1:31:45Luke Lafreniere:Oh yeah, bud.

1:31:48Linus Sebastian:Oh my god.

1:31:50Luke Lafreniere:And skip.

1:31:57Luke Lafreniere:Oh, gosh. Sorry about that. Sorry about that. Oh, there we go. Nice goal. Now the game's actually flowing. People are actually, like, doing hockey things. It's crazy.

1:32:11Linus Sebastian:He's taking wind face. Oh my goodness. I gotta stop turning that direction.

1:32:15Luke Lafreniere:I can't really let you do that Okay, my AI's are gonna go for it. Oh, what they why'd it pass to me? For crying out loud. Come on go for it AI get it get it. You're better than Sammy

1:32:34Linus Sebastian:Let's go stick throw guy is a little ridiculous. I mean yes, you have him. It's so strong. No, we bought it. I'm not saying it's unfair to say it's ridiculous

1:32:44Luke Lafreniere:Oh boy, okay, come on where's my stick at? Oh, yeah, where's my stick at? Come on, let's go! Oh gosh

1:32:55Luke Lafreniere:All I got to do is clear a path for my AIs

1:33:01Linus Sebastian:Oh no, the A should have passed. I wish you were sorry I would pass

1:33:06Luke Lafreniere:That was close. Oh gosh. Sorry, Pankratz. How many sticks are on the ice? Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it Don't even trip dog.

1:33:13Linus Sebastian:We got more sticks than people.

1:33:15Luke Lafreniere:I think that's true right now

1:33:29Luke Lafreniere:Man there's like four or five sticks on the ice I think

1:33:43Luke Lafreniere:This is crazy. I wasn't even sure if I was 100 % going to be right about me being better off with literally no one than with Sammy.

1:33:55Linus Sebastian:Dude, I just threw my stick and it deleted it from the game.

1:33:57Luke Lafreniere:Oh, I did too! I think we must have glitched it. This is an early access build. I also threw my stick at the same time as you and it just disappeared. So I wonder if it's because we both threw our sticks at the same time or something. Also, there's a stick at Center Ice.

1:34:15Linus Sebastian:Oh, come on. Sorry about that. It's just permanently there, I think.

1:34:22Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, that's kind of crazy. It just lives there now. Yeah.

1:34:29Linus Sebastian:I don't know what happened. I don't know why it's worse now. It's not that much worse, but every once in a while, it just stops.

1:34:34Luke Lafreniere:I mean, it's just Wi-Fi doing Wi-Fi things. You've got to be on, like, hotel Wi-Fi, right?

1:34:39Linus Sebastian:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's not very installable. It's not very good hotel Wi-Fi, dude.

1:34:49Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, not so easy when I don't have Sammy sabotaging me, hey?

1:34:53Linus Sebastian:Yeah. I also, I can't stick throw effectively because the latency and the stick throw like runs the game.

1:35:00Luke Lafreniere:Oh, yeah. To be clear, I'm not saying me beating you guys right now means that I'm better than both of you. I'm just saying that, I'm just saying that how - Was that the AI? Yeah, that was. How badly I lost with Sammy was not representative.

1:35:13Linus Sebastian:Oh no, the gap was, I think within like 10 or 15 seconds of the game starting, the gap was obvious.

1:35:20Luke Lafreniere:Oh man. You could have, Dan, you could have at least recruited someone for me who knows how hockey works. I didn't pick him. Who wasn't referring to it as tackling. Hey, he picked the right helmet. Oh my goodness. I just went flying. Was that accidental helmet pick?

1:35:39Linus Sebastian:What was that throw? Oh, you boys are lucky. I swear for everyone watching, I can do stick throws. Oh, I know.

1:35:47Luke Lafreniere:They changed the aiming, it's not as easy anymore. So the aiming is very manual for the stick throw now, instead of just being like you kind of hint in the direction you want it to go. Oh, weird. Yeah, so it's actually a skill thing now.

1:36:03Linus Sebastian:Okay, I'm back.

1:36:04Luke Lafreniere:Nice. You missed the replay, that's all.

1:36:07Linus Sebastian:yeah

1:36:11Luke Lafreniere:do ba do do how okay how does the manual nature

1:36:16Linus Sebastian:of it work then uh it's just like

1:36:18Luke Lafreniere:passing so the direction is dictated by the direction you're pointing your uh

1:36:22Linus Sebastian:yeah but i point it right at it and it goes like way to the right

1:36:26Luke Lafreniere:i mean that might be the latency then okay yeah

1:36:31Linus Sebastian:oh

1:36:39Luke Lafreniere:Oh my stick just disappeared into the ether when I threw it. I think the stick throw might just be glitched now. Whoa! Whoa, buddy! Oh wait, it disappeared, but then it hit someone. That's pretty crazy.

1:36:57Linus Sebastian:Is that why there's so many sticks on the ice? They're just like disappearing and then showing back up

1:37:08Linus Sebastian:Come on here we go here we go boys Also, why can you just stick throw like infinitely there's no cool down. Oh, there's no one

1:37:17Luke Lafreniere:Well, you have to have a stick and then you can and then there's no cool down the cool down is you have to go get a stick

1:37:22Linus Sebastian:Okay

1:37:24Luke Lafreniere:Usually from the bench or if you can knock someone else's away then oh Well, that was that was interesting bold strategy

1:37:36Luke Lafreniere:All right one more minute remaining

1:37:47Whoa come on a eyes.

1:37:50Luke Lafreniere:Oh nice nice

1:37:58Luke Lafreniere:All right, all the good quality sticks for Luke quality stick throw well done well done There we go good goal quality goal got to give it to you

1:38:21Linus Sebastian:Oh, gosh. Oh.

1:38:25Luke Lafreniere:Sorry about that. Not sorry. Yeah! No way! Hold on, there's eight seconds left, and it's 6-5. You guys could still come back.

1:38:40Luke Lafreniere:My AI just has to win this face-off. then we're good

1:38:51Luke Lafreniere:come on AI win the face off nice

1:38:57Linus Sebastian:what okay yeah I just pointed my stick up and it threw it to the right I don't know if that's latency or a bug or what but yeah

1:39:05Luke Lafreniere:alright it was close so Sammy in case you were wondering this time this time team Linus got six goals and team Luke and Pankratz got five goals so um Linus is replacing you with AI get on

1:39:28Linus Sebastian:Reddit bye

1:39:33Luke Lafreniere:alright thanks guys okay I've got some news from the business team it looks like Oh, okay. Looks like Razor's never working with us again. That makes sense. Apparently Sammy was - had some money riding on this and was apparently rigging the game to cash out on a sports betting site.

1:39:55Linus Sebastian:Oh, I think this is a joke. Okay, I was taking that seriously for a moment.

1:40:01Luke Lafreniere:I mean for how hard he sold that game, would it even be unbelievable to you, Luke?

1:40:08Linus Sebastian:uh it was fairly believable to me until he said sports betting site and then i was like yeah but i just would have done a uh like local thing yeah if you'd said if you'd said pokemon cards

1:40:19Luke Lafreniere:or something then i that might have been more believable but i think what we're gonna end up actually doing is probably just giving everybody um an entry into the draw okay both sides all because you both won all right all right or you both lost yeah but i think everybody lost today dan so did my hairline and wrinkles i thought it was pretty fun scoring two separate times when

1:40:48Linus Sebastian:uh that was that was genuinely really entertaining the first one was wild i have not locked out for like many seconds i've not laughed like that

1:41:00Luke Lafreniere:that was crazy yeah that everything about that the second one had only locked up for like kind

1:41:07Linus Sebastian:of a very very short period of time so it like it wasn't that big of a surprise when i had scored but the first one like i genuinely had no idea and for a long time um that was that was bonkers

1:41:23Luke Lafreniere:I'm glad we made it through everybody

1:41:26Linus Sebastian:John O. Johnson in Fulping Chat said the real winner was the Sammies we made along the way

1:41:31Luke Lafreniere:Sammy is hilarious I've never really interacted with Sammy in his element but that was gold That was pretty good So his element is what? Trolling me? Making everyone upset Including poor Razor uh i mean i gave i gave him the good laptop um i didn't realize that he had no idea what hockey was yeah and has never played a video game before yeah um yeah because even testing it i was like i'd never touched it before in like five or six minutes it's like oh you just point in the direction yeah and then you pass to your teammate who's more competent it ain't that hard all right uh are we uh why don't we jump into a quick topic here If I do a topic, I'll set up something else.

1:42:23Luke Lafreniere:Wait, did we ever do any comms? Did we do one? We did two.

1:42:27Linus Sebastian:We did at least one.

1:42:29Luke Lafreniere:Brilliant. Okay. Let me collapse this. Oh, this is cool. There's been a major breakthrough in controller calibration for Xbox hardware. DriftGuard claims that it can permanently store new joystick calibration data directly in an Xbox controller's onboard memory, making Luke's cursor is making the adjustment difficult for future updates to reverse and saving you from annoying stick drift. The refix reportedly works across generations and types, not just on the newer controllers that the official Microsoft tool supports. So even back to the 360, dude, I have some old 360 controllers that are drifting like crazy.

1:43:18Luke Lafreniere:And it really sucks because I really love those controllers. And there's no reason why I shouldn't still be able to game on them other than that they fell apart because of stick drift. If it's as simple as fixing this with a free open source tool, that's freaking awesome. Since the calibration data is written to the controller itself, firmware updates reportedly should not erase the fix, although the software is unlikely to resolve problems that are caused by worn or physically damaged components. There's a free browser version. How flipping crazy is that? And there's a Steam update expected soon, and early tests look promising, but your mileage may vary.

1:44:02Luke Lafreniere:This is actually a really good question. And this is from one of our writers. Why do you think the conversation around stick drift has become so much more prevalent? Back in my day, we didn't talk about stick drift. We just played with our busted controllers and darn it, we enjoyed it. Like, it's not like modern controllers uniquely have bad joysticks. I mean, think back to the N64. what a piece of that thing was and like i understand if you've got the muscle memory for it or whatever it could be really great for like playing certain games or whatever and that that's that's great but objectively though the design was terrible from a longevity standpoint and we just kind of go you know oh you ha ha nintendo the bad n64 joystick ha ha like why is it such a different conversation today i think there's a number of reasons that i've got in my brain but what jumps to your mind luke um honestly i think it's the more serious nature of gaming i think that's a big part of it yeah i think that's the biggest part because like i think

1:45:21Linus Sebastian:everybody had the n64 controller that they had like slammed their palm onto the joystick to play Mario Party and it's gone and the joystick was just a mess and it would like flop to the side and whatever but you just kind of get used to it and I think you know the cost of buying a new controller versus the amount you cared about being that much better in a game was like not that big of a focus but these days like people are just very serious all the time in in in every game you know like it you would have been laughed at if you were uh you know that sweaty aim trainer yeah oh dude before uh like hold on guys i know it's like our our our time to play games now but i need to spend 15 minutes in an aim trainer before we get going warm up like i could warm up yeah

1:46:09Luke Lafreniere:like you would like you would have gotten that would have been a joke even among the gamers you would have gotten a guttural laugh like if you're if you were playing an rpg and you wore a piece of

1:46:20Linus Sebastian:armor or a weapon that looked icky just because it was good people would have like laughed at you for it and now if you don't wear the thing that looks icky because you you don't want to look weird but it's the best thing you have people will now laugh at you for that like it is it is like completely flipped mentality i think there's i think there's a number of other things i think

1:46:47Luke Lafreniere:one of them is the sheer volume of gamers back then the people who would have been able to complain were just kids there weren't that many of them and they didn't have any kind of voice amplification whereas now like everyone games adult people with the means to make a lot of noise um game in their spare time um i've got a lot of people in chat saying cost but that one i'm actually gonna push back on because n64 controllers were freaking expensive in like 1998 dollars like they weren't they weren't cheap i'm gonna i'll have to look it up because i don't remember the exact amount but like people did not have four n64 controllers to go with their console

1:47:35Linus Sebastian:like that wasn't a thing i i honestly interpret the the cost comment is the opposite of what you're saying um because if it was cheap before they would have swapped the controllers out more easily um but but controllers are expensive now no no that's what they're saying they're saying people are more mad now because they're more expensive now ah okay but an n64 controller was

1:47:59Luke Lafreniere:30 us dollars back in 1996 which is a freaking ton of money so that worked out to about 35 to 40 canadian dollars for us back then which if we if we just plunked that into 40 cad uh inflation calculator 64 bucks yeah so they were they were freaking expensive 64 usd yeah be clear so that was like you know 85 canadian dollars like i don't think i knew a single person who had a full complement of controllers for their console if it was like a four controller console like i even

1:48:37Linus Sebastian:had a friend or you had like super janky ones yeah like horrible 20 dollar little brother

1:48:43Luke Lafreniere:controllers like 20 canadian dollars yeah exactly with like four different switches on it none of

1:48:49Linus Sebastian:them worked and it like was the worst thing you'd ever used like that's the whole origin of like

1:48:54Luke Lafreniere:the little brother controller memes is that the console like the n64 was only 200 us dollars but by the time you kitted it out with a bunch of controllers it was like uh over 300 or whatever Like it increased the price so much. And I mean, it's just, it's always been the case. Like the, the, the, we was like that too. The, we was so cheap, but by the time you actually got a whole bunch of we motes and nunchucks and like got all the accessories so that everyone in your family could bowl without passing the remote around or so you could have two people boxing or whatever, it was freaking expensive.

1:49:28Luke Lafreniere:So that's just kind of always been a thing. Yep. I wonder if, um, yeah. so the sweatiness sheer volume like sheer popularity of gaming as a hobby um that's probably i guess that you know what maybe part of it too is coming back to the difference in demographic maybe now that people have the knowledge to understand what's wrong with them and the skill to fix it the conversation is much bigger and it's more extended like when you were a kid your joystick was worn out and you were like well it's worn out but now you might go online and watch a youtube video taking it apart yeah yeah and watch them explain to you how you know nintendo or microsoft or sony saved 14 cents on this part and that's why it fails all the time and you know that sucks and so now you have all that context for it whereas before it was just like well my toy is broken and that you know that blows obviously but i could like still play the game good enough so i think yeah i think it's i think there's a number of things yeah magnetic flux says the rise of subreddits um i mean the rise of social media in general and the you know the perception that you know if you don't if yours isn't like the best if you don't pick the best one then you've like screwed up uh or like you're missing out or whatever i think yeah social media is probably a huge part of just people generally being upset about stuff as well but that's a that's a much larger issue than just game controllers i think anyway it's really cool that for xbox controllers you can write a value to it that tells it where its new centered spot is and it's not going to stay there it's going to continue to drift it's going to continue to wear out but at least you could you can reapply this over time i'm i plan to do this on my xbox 360 controllers like right away i'm very excited about that because i've still got my first party dongle and i've got a whole whack of them and what's really nice is that um because if i recall correctly they don't use x input yet xbox 360 controller x input or d input.

1:51:46Luke Lafreniere:I think they still use D input. Oh, no, it's built natively for X input. Okay, I don't know why it is then, because I've had pretty good luck running Xbox One and then to get past the controller limit, going to Xbox 360 controllers. They can be used in D input. Okay, interesting. That's according to AI overview though, so who knows. I'd probably have to look into it a little bit more. Maybe the issue I was trying to overcome before was just reaching the maximum of the my connected dongles either way it gets me another four wireless controllers um without having to go buy another dongle now because i already have the controllers and i already have the dongle hey did you see the blue origin explosion

1:52:31Linus Sebastian:yeah i've been i've been out so i don't have a lot of details about it but i got message about it that's actually like it's pretty from the extremely little i know right now that's going to set things back yeah um yeah from like not good i haven't done a ton of reading on it but

1:52:48Luke Lafreniere:from what i understand it's not so much that the rocket exploded that happens sometimes yeah but the launch pad like launch facility or like one of the towers or something it was like a multi-year project and this could even set back like artemis now and like it's a real downer that's what i

1:53:07Linus Sebastian:meant by it's going to set things back was Artemis, not Blue Origin so much. I am not, you know, I want them to do well, but I don't care so much about the individual companies involved. I just want the mission to move forward. And this is likely to set the mission back, so that upsets me.

1:53:29Linus Sebastian:Yeah, Wiley Draft said, when this happened to SpaceX, it was four months for the rocket, one year for the pad. Yikes. Yeah, so this could be... This could be real bad. I need to look more into it and stuff. Again, I've been away. Dude, I forged a knife. You want to see it? Yeah, of course. Can I show it?

1:53:54Luke Lafreniere:Here, hold on. One sec. I think it's legal for you to show it, yeah. This guy, can I show it?

1:54:18Luke Lafreniere:Okay, okay, okay, let's see this hold on so you did this in Japan I Did this in Japan so I just hold on I'm just curious why would you go all the way to Japan and not make an authentic one?

1:54:32Linus Sebastian:What are you oh my god Oh oh my god that took me so long i was like i don't even understand it like absolutely is so i i was looking up places to do this um and there's like some place in tokyo which like i'm sure it's great but it's incredibly expensive and i found um a place way out there um that was a lot more affordable and apparently they like just started doing this we were like one of their first customers.

1:55:03Luke Lafreniere:Oh, that's cool. And it was just actually an amazing experience.

1:55:08Linus Sebastian:He spent three hours. I think the group size is maximum of two. So it was just my brother and I in the whole shop. And there was like other people just working in there. Like it's an actual shop where they make stuff. But they had like, I'd say one and a half people working with us. So they had one person who was with us the whole time and then another guy that would step in every once in a while when things were needed. and we got to do a lot of it and then they would step in and like touch things up a little bit if we screwed something up but like but like you know we put it in the furnace we checked when the temperature was correct with like a magnet and all this kind of stuff because when it gets too hot it demagnetizes um and then you we took it out and dunked it in the in the water and did all that kind of stuff and like we did the pattern hammering onto the metal and and we did a lot of the actual sharpening and stuff it was it was like really really awesome i don't know how well this is going to show on camera but um what okay that's so cool

1:56:19Luke Lafreniere:damn son that's the handle

1:56:28Linus Sebastian:What did you like? I stamped, I hammered that pattern into it.

1:56:33Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

1:56:34Linus Sebastian:And then you can see the tip at the end. Yeah. So that angle was done by me on a grinder. That's cool. And then this bottom was also like Richard's. They have that app in Japan? He did a totally different style. Oh my God.

1:56:53Luke Lafreniere:I just wasn't sure that they did.

1:56:56Linus Sebastian:there's no judgment. I'm wielding a knife you can't make me laugh. Um but like even even the top here had like a slight curve to it but I decided to have mine be like very very angular and then Richards is more of a traditional chef knife where it has like the the gradual curve the whole way up and everything. Yeah. So knives actually look totally different. You can see the pattern that I hammered in is like these uh the the hammer it looked the hammer that I was using looked like it had almost like bamboo shoots on it. So the pattern was like kind of random angled lines. Cool. And that's what I got out of it.

1:57:31Linus Sebastian:This is the last side that I hammered, which is why I showed it to you because I think it looks the coolest. Right. The other side is on the anvil. So I still like the pattern, but it loses some of the detail because you're literally like smashing it into the anvil. If you hadn't shown... You can see...

1:57:46Luke Lafreniere:If you didn't show me the other side and then tell me you liked the other side better, then I wouldn't even like... I wouldn't have even clocked it. Like, I... Yeah. Yeah, they're both fine.

1:57:56Linus Sebastian:I also screwed up a little bit on this one where you can see I hammered a little bit too low on the blade.

1:58:01Luke Lafreniere:Oh, yeah. Okay.

1:58:03Linus Sebastian:But that's not actually, like, a huge deal, apparently.

1:58:06Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I mean... I think this is just one of those things where you see all the flaws of the thing you made, whereas, like, I wouldn't have even... Yeah. Again, I wouldn't have even noticed that that's an error because I don't know that.

1:58:19Linus Sebastian:Yeah. And it's got a little oil on it right now know if you're seeing some streaks and stuff but um that's the stamp logo of their shop it's hard to see sick and then i and then i did initials on the other side that's sick but yeah this was this was like an amazing process three hours with the guys um if you don't mind me asking like how much

1:58:40Luke Lafreniere:did the whole experience cost because i'm willing to things can be so expensive or so reasonably priced in japan that i on either end of it it doesn't make any sense and so and like knives can be so expensive to buy like a nice knife that i'm kind of wondering like is it is it affordable to just make your own versus buying like a fancy knife or whatever i just want some context

1:59:05Linus Sebastian:i was looking in their shop yeah and it seemed fairly similarly priced to to make your own versus buying one like buying one online and getting it shipped which i thought was pretty interesting okay um cool i also did find that this place was fairly dramatically cheaper than the one that's in tokyo um and as far as i can tell uh well there's a there's like a few of them but i found one random one in tokyo um and as far as i can tell this one is like more hands-on yeah um which might be good like it was good for me that's what i wanted but as i pointed out like there was there was the part where i hammered a little bit too low on the knife so like you're gonna have a higher chance of imperfections because they let you do more things yeah but there you are imperfections but that i think it's sick yeah i have i have no problem with that at all um and they will step in and try to help with stuff like there was um uh i don't remember what it was there was my my my grind because again i tried to make mine super angular so i tried to get rid of some of the curvature of it yeah and my grind on the side that we were going to sharpen was like a little bit bowed and I had a bit of a hard time seeing it but the like the like main like knife master dude of the of the shop could could see it and was like oh I'll fix I'll fix and ran over and like grinded a little bit and made it just like a little bit better but I did 90 % of that grind he just he brought it the last little bit that I'm not going to be able to see so like there's that little bit of perfection added on top which makes it just really awesome people are asking for the name of it do you want to just drop a link to dan and then he can huck it in the chat yeah i'll try to look it up really quick it's like sanjo dojo something sanjo dojo blacksmith um cool yeah this looks right uh kaji dojo yeah yeah yeah these guys very cool i think i i paid for it like a while ago because i i pre pre-ordered it or whatever i think it was like 200 and something which is not cheap but no but like the quality knife having three hours in there with a blacksmith yeah honestly the costing felt pretty good to me um comparative experiences at a lot of other places i've been like when on destination vacationing and stuff it's pretty well priced especially because you come out of it with like a knife that uses very high-end materials right Like it's, it's actually like, I mean, it's, it's not a, by, by it's not cheap.

2:01:44Linus Sebastian:I mean, 200 bucks is a decent amount of money.

2:01:46Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

2:01:47Linus Sebastian:For what you get. I actually think it is quite cheap. Well, there's a huge difference between a small amount of money and a good deal.

2:01:56Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, exactly.

2:01:57Linus Sebastian:I think it was a good deal. I don't necessarily think it was a small amount of money.

2:02:00Luke Lafreniere:I mean, I've talked extensively on the show about how people will call something overpriced, but that's but people use overpriced is one of those words like scam that has just kind of lost its true definition and it's it's actually really destructive to clear communication that we are using these words wrong because overpriced does not mean a high number of dollar coins it means that it is a bad value yeah i definitely do not think it's overpriced i actually almost

2:02:33Linus Sebastian:wonder if it's like underpriced considering what we got out of it but um i mean i'm gonna assume his permission and show you my brother's knife too because it's like amazing like 65 bucks an

2:02:44Luke Lafreniere:hour for any kind of like workshop thing dude i wouldn't have even assumed that includes the materials like i think yvonne and i were talking about this yeah when we were leaving uh and again

2:02:55Linus Sebastian:i might have i might have got the price wrong it's been it's been quite a while since i booked it but rich and i were talking about this when we were leaving and we were like dude the entire time we were there we were using consumables yeah there's the fuel for the furnace there's the wheels for the grinders there's the electricity for everything we start off by taking a hammer which is going to have wear and tear and just bashing it into the metal there's the metal there's the handle yeah they source handles from like a local uh wood making

2:03:23Luke Lafreniere:Like I think Yvonne and I paid more than$65 an hour to do that jewelry making thing. I think I showed you those earrings that we made. We each made an earring and they were supposed to match, but they ended up being a little different because we each made them. It was just maybe the fun of it. But I think we paid more than$65 an hour each. Our group was like 10 or 12 people. We had to pay for materials on top of that. so like honestly this seems extremely reasonable yeah his looks great yeah and you can tell like

2:03:57Linus Sebastian:we both started with the same blade blank yeah but the shape is completely different yeah we both did a different grind on it cool um he also chose a different pattern i told you mine was like it almost looked like bamboo coming out his was more like uh almost bricks so you can see oh yeah no i see it i got it came out looking differently very cool this isn't the perfect lighting to see it in it look it i'll say i think they look pretty cool here they look a lot cooler in person um and you learned how to like set a grind um and then also go into stone sharpening so we like we sharpened it from zero like like it had a big thickness to the actual metal yeah And then you sharpen it down to the point where you could actually bring it to stones and stuff.

2:04:47Linus Sebastian:And you do that with big grinding wheels. It's very hands-on. They give you this huge apron and goggles because you have to lean over this grinding wheel with water flying over the place and sharpen it on there. Man, it was really cool. It was a really fantastic experience. I would actually highly recommend it if you happen to find yourself in Japan. It's like coast-to-coast across from where Tokyo is. but you can take a um a bullet train it gets you there in like an hour and a half so you just fly across um but yeah they were wonderful and uh yeah roughly two hours on the bullet train i think we jumped on the bullet train a little bit further out from tokyo which is why it was an hour and a half um yeah so somebody just priced it out apparently it's 216 Canadian.

2:05:39Linus Sebastian:$216 Canadian for that is insanely cheap. Like I would have thought that would have just been the time in the shop and that would have been pretty cheap. Let alone the materials and everything for the knife. And again, there was knives that they were selling in their shop that, you know, they're probably nicer than what Rich and I do. But still, it's the same materials and stuff that were just as expensive.

2:06:02Luke Lafreniere:So, I don't know. Check them out if you're in town. And and check out our sponsor. Dan, do you want to... What's the thing supposed to be? Is this where we make Razer not angry with us anymore? Yeah, this is the real stuff. Okay, all right. Let me get back in here. There we go. It's running on the 18. The Razer Blade is built to get you desktop performance, but in a 16-inch slim laptop. Inside that one machine, You're getting an NVIDIA RTX 50 series laptop GPU, as well as an Intel Core Ultra 9 processor 386H, which is a 33 % bump over the previous Blade 16. The display is also brighter with a QHD plus 240Hz OLED display with VESA Display HDR True Black 1000 certification.

2:06:56Luke Lafreniere:And since you're going to want to do some gaming on the go, Razer has also significantly improved the battery life over the previous models. Yeah, going Core Ultra Series 3 is going to be a huge part of that. Each machine comes with the fastest available RAM, up to 64 gigs of LPDDR5 at 9600 MHz. And as we learned tonight, they also have Ethernet on board. So if for whatever reason your Wi-Fi is flaky wherever you are, hey, you can always count on a good old-fashioned copper wire. We had labs run some tests on the Blade 16 and found it to get over 10 hours on a single charge. noting that for a small form factor gaming laptop, it has pretty close to the highest possible total graphics power for a laptop 5090.

2:07:42Luke Lafreniere:So check it out at the link down below or head on over to Short Circuit to see Elijah unbox one after the show. Oh, very cool. All right. All right, Floatplane announcement. We have something for every type of viewer this week on Floatplane. For the OGs, we had a very special guest here a few weeks ago. Can you guess who it is? Luke, do you even know about this? No. Really? I don't think so. The one, the only... Oh, no. Mr. Brandon Lee came into the studio. It was... What are you guys doing? It was just kind of a serendipitous thing. I had HP, of all people. Just like an agency for HP. No one I even knew or anything.

2:08:30Luke Lafreniere:And clearly they didn't do any research on my channel because they offered to send me a film scanner, like, like for film negatives. and I was like what are you even talking about but then I was like okay that seems kind of cool that's an area of tech that and there aren't many of these yet or anymore but that's an area of tech we've never touched on online as tech tips is this a good one sure send it over and then I was sitting thinking what am I going to do with this thing I don't know anything about film photography I don't know anything about film scanners. I had no purpose for any of this in my life.

2:09:14Luke Lafreniere:You know what? I know someone who does. So I reached out to Brandon. I was like, hey, do you want to do a collab? Do you want to come in and just shoot a little bit of film? And we'll try out a couple different film scanning methods. I've had preservation of old media on the mind a lot. we did that VHS backup video with Mark Rathgaber a little while ago where I had that old VHS that I'd never actually watched from when I was a teenager and we were able to digitize that and then more recently we collaborated with Reboot what's up you're good

2:09:54Linus Sebastian:you're here

2:09:56Luke Lafreniere:you never left more recently we collaborated with Reboot Rewind to capture the original master tapes from that entire show are, to be clear, we didn't actually do that much. We mostly financially contributed, but it was something that I was really happy to be a part of. And then, so with just all of that on my mind, I saw this like film scanner thing and I was like, oh yeah, that'd be really cool. So Brandon came in and we kind of, we played around with it together. We had a lot of fun. There's a very embarrassing picture of me involved that up until scanning it with this film scanner had only ever existed as a little crappy negative that my aunt had hidden away in a basket somewhere.

2:10:47Luke Lafreniere:So that's closer to the end of the video. And it's up early on Floatplane. It'll go up probably sometime this weekend. So go check it out. Oh, wow. That's going to be released eight whole days early. Apparently it's scheduled for a little over a week from now. Oh, that makes sense because Computex content is coming up. And then we've got something for chat. The Gen Zers, the Sigmas, the Triple T enthusiasts. Elijah showcased how much has changed from his AMD Ultimate upgrade and his paint upgrade in tech upgrades. Where are they now? So here's where it was. Here's where it is now. His rack has grown.

2:11:30Luke Lafreniere:a lot. People are enjoying this one as well. Very cool. So that's already up. We got that going. What else we got going on this week? Finally, for the WAN viewers, it's that monthly installment of Why is WAN Late? It's episode 23. Crazy to think this has been going on for two whole years. It's also crazy that neither one of us has made WAN late for an entire month, except for one person. Okay. Hi! Yeah, I get it. It's me! No, it's not you. I think we all know who it was. Anyway, no matter what kind of LTT viewer you are, there's something for you at lmg.gg slash fpwan. Dan, if you want to throw that in the chat.

2:12:10Luke Lafreniere:Sure. Now's a great time to join Floatplane. Sammy also gave me some bad news before the show. Oh, that he's not good at hockey? I didn't notice. Yeah. Because you apparently lost, I think, or you lost ages ago. he forgot to liquefy some food. Oh, like I lost wise when late. Yeah. You mean. So I forgot your punishment. Oh, I see. So it might happen next week. Oh. Well, probably not next week because I'll be in Taipei next week. And you know who'll be in the room with you? Oh, I see. Interesting. With access to fish balls. I don't think fish balls were involved.

2:12:54Linus Sebastian:Yet.

2:12:55Luke Lafreniere:no i'm pretty sure fish balls are not involved just other ones all right well we'll see how that goes uh in other news youtube is introducing auto detection of ai generated videos youtube announced this week that it will start automatically detecting and labeling ai generated content on the platform and it's also making those labels more visible on both long-form videos and shorts. To be clear, AI disclosure labels have existed on YouTube since 2024, but up until now, they only appeared when a creator voluntarily disclosed that they had used AI in their creation.

2:13:35Linus Sebastian:Which, like, very rarely happened.

2:13:37Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, definitely a problem. Going forward, creators are still expected to disclose their own AI use, but if they don't, and YouTube's new internal systems detect what the company calls a significant photorealistic ai use youtube will apply the label on its own on long form videos the ai label will now appear directly below the video player and above the description instead of inside the expanded description box where it used to live and on shorts the label will show up as an overlay on the vertical video itself YouTube's creator liaison said that the goal is context at a glance, i.e. if a video looks real but was made with AI, they want viewers to know immediately.

2:14:22Luke Lafreniere:He also said that AI labels alone do not affect how videos are recommended or whether they can earn money and that the change is purely about giving viewers the right information at the right time. If a creator believes that their video was labeled incorrectly, because you know this is going to be incoming, they can challenge the disclosure status in YouTube Studio. However, they won't be able to change it in two cases. If the video was made using YouTube's own AI tools like Vio or DreamScreen, or if the file contains C2PA metadata indicating that it was fully AI generated. On its support page, Google also warned that creators who consistently choose not to disclose AI use could be subject to penalties, content removal, or even a monetization ban.

2:15:10Luke Lafreniere:Discussion question. Do you think this will be effective in curbing the prevalence of AI slop on YouTube?

2:15:19Luke Lafreniere:Curbing maybe. Killing no. It's sort of my...

2:15:22Linus Sebastian:It definitely won't kill it.

2:15:23Luke Lafreniere:Four words.

2:15:24Linus Sebastian:I don't even know if it'll curb it. Because as much as you can label things, i've seen some genuinely incredibly obvious ai stuff and like i i also think that my accuracy has been going down as ai generation has gotten better oh yeah me too is an uncomfortable thing

2:15:44Luke Lafreniere:to accept but we have to be true if we're being honest i think yep the trajectory i used to bat

2:15:50Linus Sebastian:100 i was batting 100 for a long time and i felt like i just like had it and i was fine i was gonna to be good and then it it started slipping and it started slipping pretty significantly so is that

2:16:01Luke Lafreniere:because you're becoming a boomer because the ai is getting better maybe yeah maybe a little bit of

2:16:05Linus Sebastian:both but um i i've noticed some like really painfully obvious stuff where where people in the comments are taking it very seriously um and i i think if it's labeled ai honestly a lot of people just aren't going to read that being said i still think this is a huge w from youtube and i appreciate them doing it because as long as you arm the people that will read and they can point it out in the comments and they can help make it obvious that's better than what we had before

2:16:36Luke Lafreniere:massive and it's huge i gotta say i am surprised um youtube they they do have some pretty good w's but overlaying it overlaying it on a short pretty impressive i'm surprised they did that because like shorts is one of the one of the key places where ai slot proliferates completely unchallenged and youtube has gone to great lengths to simplify the interface and keep it as just endlessly swipable as possible like you have to fight with it to find out when a short was uploaded i forget you have to like click there and then open up a thing there and then like like to actually get to text information rather than just mindlessly scrolling from one short to the next it takes effort for so for them to take something that up until now has been buried in you know the expanded description on long form and overlay it on top of the video i'm actually like that's super cool like clap like good job youtube if if everyone took this took the responsibility around this as seriously as youtube the world would be a better place by how much ah hard to say i mean it depends how good their detection is but by but by more than zero

2:18:03Linus Sebastian:i feel like they're gonna try um i feel like they will always be okay with ai content being on the platform but they want it properly labeled i think i think that is actually true um i think so too and if that's true i'm totally cool with that approach to be completely honest if it is blatantly obvious to everyone if something is ai generated and they still want to consume it i i mean sure maybe there's stuff that's good and you just want it maybe you just really like watching kittens play ice hockey like it's not like there's another way to to do it cost effectively so yeah yeah so like whatever that's okay i just want it to be yeah very very obvious it isn't obvious to boomers right which is why it'll be labeled yeah and then if they take the time to read it then it'll be obvious and that's fine um you know you can't you can't there's a i'm happy they're doing that overlay thing with shorts yeah only be so aggressive about it before it's just incredibly annoying um so there's there's a bit of a give take on on how much they they push it um and it feels right now that they're doing an appropriate amount uh based on this but we'll we'll see some people in chat i think thought by labeling we meant like metadata which i do not think is the case here no um they're just actually labeling it like so it's human readable when you load the content uh yeah contra killer says do you think that the public backlash towards ai is being noticed by advertisers i think very selectively yes people got pretty mad

2:19:46Luke Lafreniere:about that Coke commercial. And there's been sort of a couple instances of that where enough momentum has built around something that the company kind of went, oh, I guess we won't do that for now. But realistically, this is a frog boiling situation. And people have only, they have only a finite amount of outrage to give in any given moment. And it's one of those things that, you know, Luke and I will be talking about something on WAN Show and we're like very upset about it. And, you know, to quote that South Park episode with Bono in it, you know, think of the starving children. It's like, how can you guys be mad about this like tech thing when there's like, when there's children starving or when there's like this going on or there's that?

2:20:40Luke Lafreniere:Why are you not mentioning every single thing that's wrong in the world? And it's like, because we don't actually have infinitely broad and infinitely deep attention to give to every possible subject. And I'm sorry that in this exact moment, you know, the concern that I'm talking about does not align with the concern that is, you know, most at the surface for you. um but what happens over time is we have this finite amount of of care energy to give about things and at some point we reach sort of a numbness and i and i think that ai is going to be one of those things i think there's going to be people for whom that is their life's mission that is their cause um and you know what given what has happened in the creation of these llms and the mass theft and everything.

2:21:35Luke Lafreniere:I think that's a perfectly cromulent life's cause. But the vast majority of people, which coming back to the context of what I'm talking about, advertisers, right? They're not going after the activists who are against it. No fur coat advertiser is trying to target members of PETA. That's just not how it works. But in terms of the broad market, are they worried about this backlash? no i don't think so um yeah it the backlash does seem to be growing

2:22:08Linus Sebastian:you know like certain cohorts like the backlash turning into spending changes

2:22:16Luke Lafreniere:literally the only thing that matters luke asking luke asking the big important question did you stop buying coca-cola products were you sipping a coke while complaining about the coke commercial well then um then then they're not going to learn anything don't matter yeah yeah and that's not to say that you shouldn't still you know raise your voice about things that you know you feel are wrong or whatever even if you are totally addicted to coca-cola and you're just still going to keep drinking it uh but it just does mean that their behavior is never going to change so you just kind of have to come you just kind of have to be at peace with that right uh speaking of things that uh people should never be at peace with cities are covering flock cameras with trash bags so first of all the obligatory flock uh dayton ohio apparently is on board with that message and they've started putting black trash bags over their flock automated license plate reader cameras because city officials say they aren't sure whether the cameras are still active and they don't even know whether they're allowed to take them down under their contract with flock joe parlette the deputy city manager said at a city commission meeting last week that the dayton police department agreed to work with public works to beg the cameras as a stopgap measure until they can be removed entirely uh this seems pretty based but let's keep let's go on, Dayton has 72 flock cameras around the city and an audit found that they were involved in what was described as egregious data sharing violations, including 7 ,100 logged searches done for immigration-related reasons.

2:24:07Luke Lafreniere:The mess in Dayton started last October when the city learned that its flock camera data was being passed to the Department of Homeland Security and ICE through Flock's National Camera Network. The city says it didn't intend for that to happen and blamed a specific officer who forgot to flip a toggle that would have blocked the sharing. This is not the first city to go the trash bag route. Late last year, Evanston, Illinois, covered its 19 flock cameras with garbage bags too. Evanston had terminated its flock contract back in August, but then claimed that flock came back and reinstalled the cameras without permission, which got Flock a cease and desist letter from the city.

2:24:49Luke Lafreniere:An Evanston spokesperson told 404 Media that the cameras are owned by Flock and had to be removed by Flock, so while they were waiting for the removal, they covered them. This same pattern is showing up in other places. The mayor of Menominee, Wisconsin, recently said that Flock cameras in the city have been activated without city council approval. Residents in Boulder, Colorado have filed a lawsuit challenging the use of the cameras. A flock spokesperson told 404 Media that, of course, any city can turn off its cameras if it no longer wants to use them, but added that each contract is negotiated with the city attorney beforehand and that legal conditions may prevent a city from voiding the contract without grounds to do so.

2:25:32Luke Lafreniere:So now hold on a gosh darn second here.

2:25:34Linus Sebastian:Citizens of the city could take a more permanent route with like a bat or a sledgehammer.

2:25:43Luke Lafreniere:We're not endorsing that. or stick with a hook on it. We're just making an observation. It's an objective fact, what you just said. Yeah. I mean, that's, wow. We talked before about how the only way to send a message to corporations is in ways that affect them monetarily. That sounds like it would be very expensive for a flock.

2:26:05Linus Sebastian:That is true. It's also like the whole, like if buying isn't owning thing.

2:26:11Luke Lafreniere:Right, yeah.

2:26:12Linus Sebastian:It's like if I don't want it anymore, I should also be able to destroy it.

2:26:17Luke Lafreniere:Right, yeah. I mean, that makes sense. Makes sense to me. Makes sense to me. I mean, those rules apparently don't apply to me. We had some people very upset that we took some plants out of the backyard of the tech house. That was fun. Oh, really? Yeah. I was like, okay.

2:26:32Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Didn't one of them just like go to Alex D?

2:26:37Luke Lafreniere:I mean, not the way I took it out. Oh. Yeah, it was a very mature plant. There was no way that was going to happen. and we would have to dig a hole like freaking 10 feet around to capture all the roots of it that wasn't that wasn't going to be a thing um but yeah no we're remodeling the backyard and it's okay

2:26:53Linus Sebastian:people can people well i think uh it's it's more cool to to destroy some flock cameras or to to you know redistribute the materials used in the flock camera to a recycling plant um than it is to, you know, something, something plants. I don't know. Sure.

2:27:12Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

2:27:16Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, man. Flock. They just, they can't ever be in the news for anything good, hey? Like, you know, for something that's supposedly for safety, you'd think more often we'd hear about all the people who are being made more safe by it.

2:27:34Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I like this. Willing Spy said, time to go clubbing? Question mark. Hmm. and it's like, yeah, it's like, yeah, you could go out for a night of clubbing. Well, there's all kinds of different clubbing.

2:27:46Luke Lafreniere:There's going to a bar, there's seal clubbing, there's flock clubbing, just whatever's culturally relevant where you're from.

2:27:55Linus Sebastian:Yeah, that makes sense. Rapid unscheduled deconstructions. I like that.

2:28:01Luke Lafreniere:Hey, I've got some other fun news. Your Blu-ray drive can now rip GameCube, Wii, and Xbox games. OmniDrive, a custom firmware for Blu-ray drives that use the MediaTek MT1959 chipset, now lets you rip the aforementioned GameCube, Wii, and Xbox games, and Xbox 360 and Dreamcast games straight to your PC. Previously, backing up games from consoles with proprietary disk formats required a modded console or specialized hardware. Now it's that simple. The firmware did come out of beta in February, but only now is getting wider attention. It is worth noting that PS3, PS4, PS5, Xbox One and Series and Wii U discs can technically be read too, but the content on those ones stays encrypted.

2:28:50Luke Lafreniere:Compatible drives are mostly from LG and ASUS, and the Disk Preservation Project wiki has a full list, if that's something that interests you. Just wanted to kind of flag this for you guys. um our discussion question is with retro console hardware failing faster every year is community built preservation tooling like this the only realistic way that these games survive and i think i think that answer is highly dependent on the license holders for that media a lot of it has been made available on like virtual console type platforms a lot of it hasn't and as long as and sometimes that's not even because nobody wants to like wasn't it um wasn't it golden eye that was was or is stuck in some kind of horrible who owns the license hell for the longest time

2:29:44Linus Sebastian:i don't know i wouldn't be surprised but i'm not sure there's a lot of weird stuff with licensing like spider the license for spider-man is like shared um like i think it's spider like marvel is is disney or whatever but spider-man is sony or something i don't know it's all strained

2:30:06Luke Lafreniere:uh yeah i found unfortunately a deleted post called golden i 007 the accidental masterpiece trapped in licensing limbo yeah i so i think i i think i did not uh imagine that

2:30:23Luke Lafreniere:rare devs talk about the nearly completed golden i 007 remake oh tell all including the reason it was canceled all right very cool uh so there's an article over on uh over on ars technica but i don't know if the reason that it was canceled was uh to do with licensing this time i do know that there's been some some challenges leaks original studio rare before anyone tried to okay

2:30:53Luke Lafreniere:what else we got this week we gotta get cooking

2:30:57Linus Sebastian:I gotta get out of here oh yeah for sure

2:30:59Luke Lafreniere:alright time to talk about it

2:31:02Linus Sebastian:rapid fire some stuff Valve

2:31:03Luke Lafreniere:has raised Steam Deck prices by anywhere from 43 to 46 % update it sold out already the Steam Deck OLED 512 has been raised to$789 while the 1TB variant has increased to$949, a$240 and$300 hike, respectively. Valve notes in a Steam Hardware community post that the Steam Deck itself has not changed, and they say, the new prices reflect the current state of component costs and other global logistical challenges across the industry as a whole.

2:31:41Linus Sebastian:So fuel increases for shipping, component costs, insanity.

2:31:48Luke Lafreniere:it sold out in less than 24 hours after its restock we don't know if that actually means that there were a lot of them um but we do know that it is not in stock at the official source so of course scalpers are running rampant tim sweeney sarcastically tweeted that valve consumers or suggested that valve consumers are paying for gay ben's mega yachts um i think that's honestly a bit of a disingenuous take um i do see how a company as profitable as valve could be vilified anytime they adjust pricing upward on anything i think their 30 take on the store is too high

2:32:33Linus Sebastian:i've thought that kind of forever but i agree actually feels like a realistic jump to me

2:32:39Luke Lafreniere:However, you know, business units have to maintain their own independent profitability. And if Valve, which according to Valve is how they want to treat it, if Valve wants their hardware unit to be a separately profitable, independent-ish endeavor that is justified of its own accord and doesn't just suck at the teat of their software margins forever, then I can understand why they can't just sell these things at a loss. However, I can also see why people are flipping outraged because the Steam Deck was like one of the few things that had remained a pretty darn good value even after the discontinuation of the more entry-level options.

2:33:33Linus Sebastian:It was Tim Sweeney that said that yacht thing, right? Yeah. uh according to forbes as of may 2022 he had a net worth of 7.6 billion um bloomberg is estimating since then it's at 9.6 billion he could he could buy a few yachts i think i wouldn't

2:33:52Luke Lafreniere:believe an estimate on forbes um just throwing that out there i think i saw an estimate of like top top influencer net worths on forbes or something like that forbes is like junk now Yeah, Forbes is slop now, so you just ignore it.

2:34:08Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I read Forbes and was like, oh, they must have interviewed him or something.

2:34:12Luke Lafreniere:With that said, I mean, he clearly could afford a yacht if he really felt like it. He's definitely in the yacht threshold of personal wealth.

2:34:25Linus Sebastian:Well, my bad. I got to remember to not quote him. Yeah. Man, I thought I was being a good boy. I didn't even look at the AI summary.

2:34:33Luke Lafreniere:yeah i would just i scrolled past like forbes i remember i remember contacting a writer from there once um because i had read about some influencers some of whom i knew like some some of the people i actually knew not that i knew their exact net worth but i have a pretty good understanding of their business and stuff and so i was just like hey where'd these numbers come from Like, could I get some sort of clarity on the methodology by which you came to these conclusions? Because some of these don't really make any sense to me as someone who's been in this industry for most of my adult life. And they just like completely didn't respond to me.

2:35:09Luke Lafreniere:I'm like, okay. Neat. So source, I made it up.

2:35:15Linus Sebastian:Sure. Yeah. I don't know. It's probably a lot though. Yeah. I'm not saying I'm happy about it. I'm just not surprised. The fact that they held on to the price that they had for so long is more of the surprising part to me. Fuel prices are insane. Like, I just, you know, I'm in Japan right now. This is a personal trip. I paid for this flight. And I booked it a long time ago. And I'm really happy about that. Because I've looked at flight costs to places like this recently. And it's like, holy crap. Fuel in general is going crazy. who knows if the straight's going to open anytime soon um oh no there's there's news on that uh apparently the straight is open now i mean that's been said before um hold on hold on maybe not yeah okay never mind carry on yeah they they've said it multiple times and then blown up stuff um yeah so i don't know memory costs going up um i have no idea but i'm sure the like soc in there went up in cost um just moving everything around went up in cost etc that's going to be reflected

2:36:37Luke Lafreniere:onto the price of the product i'm so bummed about what this means for steam machine steam machine is gonna it's gonna be rough it's gonna end up not being at all what i wanted it to be i wanted it to be the pc console and it's gonna end up being a f***ing steam machine just like it was last time like they're not quite as bad as it was last time the original steam machine for those of you who don't remember like 10 years ago valve had steam machines this is like this is steam machine resurrected this time steam machines were built with partners like alienware uh and they were just small form factor computers that ran an older version of steam os uh was it based on debian i can't remember it's based on something no yeah i don't know yeah so they ran an older version of steam os and um they sucked because the value was just terrible they were like over a thousand dollars for some mid-tier freaking hardware is that sounding is that sounding familiar now and that that's i feel like that's what we're going to end up with here because even though like we had that good news with respect to ram availability or not availability but pricing earlier in the show that cxmt is uh building relatively uh affordably, I assume, DDR5 memory that can be used in desktop systems.

2:38:07Luke Lafreniere:That's not going to help with the kind of volume contracts that someone like a Valve is going to have to sign in order to get enough allocation to build something like Steam Machine. That's like Corsair buying some modules to make some sticks in China. I don't think that's going to be a needle mover for a volume purchaser like Valve. and uh and then i'm also bummed about like what all this means for steam frame like i should have my steam frame already i should be gaming on my steam frame like every night right now i'm so stoked for the steam frame and ram it's just uh it's fucking everything up basically yeah absolute frustrating and you know what is one of the most frustrating things about it luke what is that optane optane was too early it was i've said it before 3d cross point the micron intel joint endeavor to build the layer that was supposed to exist between dram and high-speed SSD NAND storage, it just came a little bit too early.

2:39:27Luke Lafreniere:And then the nail, the final nail in its coffin was a collapse of memory pricing that made Optane not make any sense. Dude, if Optane was firing today, dude, okay, I'm going to talk about this. Wendell is so happy right now. Redditor. Sitting on all his Optane drives. Redditor AP Frisco used six second-hand Intel Optane persistent memory DIMMs, so 768 gigs total, in a Xeon workstation to run a 1 trillion parameter Kimi K2.5 model locally at roughly 4 tokens per second. The Optane DIMMs were set in memory mode with DDR4 used as a cache. Optane has much lower latency than NVMe, but still approximately two to three times higher than DRAM.

2:40:19Luke Lafreniere:Intel's discontinued memory, so this is from my notes, memory format was designed to bridge the performance and cost gap between very fast but expensive DRAM and much slower, cheaper SSDs. Optane sits in the middle, offering larger, cheaper, byte-addressable memory that is faster than SSDs but slower than DRAM and, very importantly, is persistent. they ran a hybrid cpu gpu inference workflow with most of the models staying in the optane slash cpu memory while critical tensors were streamed into a 12 gig rtx 3060 for acceleration using lama.cpp's memory override all of this indicates that there is a tier of memory between drem and ssds that could be especially useful for large language models oh this is funny dan's

2:41:04Linus Sebastian:pointing out that it was only four tokens per second but i don't they don't really specify

2:41:09Luke Lafreniere:what the compute was though but yeah it was very limited compute so the the important part the important part is that it's fitting it's fitting in not storage and it's six drives and they're like 20 bucks that's like crazy yeah a trillion parameters at four tokens per second is uh

2:41:30Linus Sebastian:but the four tokens per second part like i i bet you could be a lot faster i just i they They don't even mention the compute. Like, I think that's... Yeah. Yeah, they said single GPU, and they didn't specify what one.

2:41:41Luke Lafreniere:Linus comment, rest in peace, Optane, you were too great and too early. That's what I just... When someone proposed this topic, that was what I put in my notes. Apparently, it made it into the doc this time. Oh, man, I just... I was so excited about Optane, and like, it's like my... But next time someone asks me, okay, Dan, next time someone sends a com or something and it's like, you know, what was your favorite tech that was canceled or unappreciated for its time? It's got to be Optane. It was like, man, there were like PCIe Gen 3 Optane drives that still absolutely blew the doors off of like Gen 4 or even Gen 5 SSDs in terms of their real world performance.

2:42:26Luke Lafreniere:Not in terms of how fast they can run a file copy, because that was never the point. the point was always the latency it was always the iops and freaking ai is like a perfect use case for it it's like we're trying to find the answer to like how do we run these gigantic models without putting them out to much much slower storage optane cached optane man i'm just having a look through what we have in storage oh two seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen times five point seven terabytes we have sorry five point seven terabytes we got like 30

2:43:11Linus Sebastian:oh wow 30 50 no 37 throw this at at nick in the lab and let him have some fun i mean yeah i think we have a whole server pretty crazy local model with that there's a 1.6 terabyte one uh signed

2:43:25Luke Lafreniere:out to you uh yeah that's my boot drive okay well we'll have alex collect that i guess uh nope which computer you find it you can have it i uh i treated myself to an ebay special um as as my personal farewell to opt-in i was actually planning to do a video about it um just like the video was going to be called maybe i should still do it the the the best the the best drive was made you know five years ago or however long ago it was it's like it's really old now but it's like still the best drive on the market as far as i can tell in terms of like latency and iops yeah so even without that we've got about six terabytes of of obtain on site how much how many of the dims do we have because we had a whole server we did a whole video about it It was like, we lost this server.

2:44:15Luke Lafreniere:This server was lost in our warehouse for years or something like that. I think it was called. These are all NVMe. PCI3? Yeah, no, they would be... They might be searching wrong. Yeah, that server might just be inventoried as one thing, or we may have ultimately sent it back. I don't know exactly what happened with it. I've got an Intel server system 1U rack mount. Is that it? No, it wasn't a 1U. Was it a 1U? I'm sorry, I don't remember. Maybe it is. Maybe that's it. How much RAM does that say it has? Because I think we just combined... 12 by 32. Oh, 12 by 512 in Optane, DC persistent. That's the one.

2:44:57Luke Lafreniere:So that has another six terabytes of Optane in it. Should we throw that at the lab? Put like a big fat GPU in there and see what they can do with it? They wanted to do some AI stuff. We have 12 terabytes of Optane.

2:45:11Linus Sebastian:this could be really fun yeah nice unironically i'm gonna it's in storage it's not even checked

2:45:17Luke Lafreniere:out you can just take it it's like ducks at the park you beat me to it you're very quick you've been doing this for a while i have 452 opt-in drives

2:45:32cool that's gonna be sick yeah all right anywho uh rest in peace optane

2:45:41Luke Lafreniere:i love you optane i wish you could come back optane but it's just it's never gonna happen like i forget how the whole thing collapsed but like micron sold their share in the joint venture and then Intel bailed on it and blah, blah, blah. And then now you can get, you can still get those little caching drives, Optane 32 gig for like pennies on the dollar. Look at this. You can get these for like 40 bucks. It's a little M.2. I think it's, yeah, PCIe 3.0 and it might even only be two lanes. I can't quite recall right now. No, that looks like a by four interface. So shut up. So yeah, 40 bucks for these.

2:46:26Luke Lafreniere:Actually, I was thinking of making a video about these too because storage is so stupid expensive. So using one of these cached on a hard drive, I think the first party tool is like deprecated now or something, but there are third party tools that you can use for caching. So a relatively small cache is shockingly effective even on a relatively large mechanical hard drive. and like hybrid storage and caching solutions is something that I was very bullish on like five to eight years ago and then just kind of never materialized. But maybe we just never had the right incentive to use it. And I guess the answer was AI all along.

2:47:08Luke Lafreniere:Oh, good. Aren't you excited? I'm excited. And then what we can do is we can just like take a bunch of water and then dump it outside and let it evaporate. just turn on all the taps in the building and then we can feel better. We can be like the big boys. We can be like the real companies. In other news, we're laying off 30 % of our workforce.

2:47:32Linus Sebastian:It should be. I mean, it should be a lot more.

2:47:35Luke Lafreniere:Why is that funny to you, Dan? Oh, because it was a low number. I think it should be.

2:47:44Linus Sebastian:Wow, you're one of the good ones, Linus.

2:47:46Luke Lafreniere:Maximizing shareholder value. Hey, speaking of maximizing shareholder value, NVIDIA is officially killing the control panel after 20 years. As of the latest Game Ready Driver update, the NVIDIA app is now the only supported way to manage your GeForce GPU settings. The control panel is officially done after 20 years. It is worth noting, though, existing installs will not be deleted unless you do a clean driver install, and it will stay on the Microsoft Store for anyone who wants it, but it is frozen so no new features fixes or updates rtx pro users still get control panel support until their professional features finish migrating to the app our discussion question is were you a right click desktop control panel person or did you never touch it i've actually missed that for a long time the ability to right click and just go to my nvidia control panel the fact that it's down in the system tray still bothers me to this day i'm a I'm a right-click desktop.

2:48:50Linus Sebastian:I'm a right-click guy, but have been using the tray as needed. But I'm a right-click guy.

2:48:55Luke Lafreniere:I actually have... I almost never touch the control panel anymore, though. I actually... Oh, man, this might be a hot take, but I really like the NVIDIA app. And if all the features are in there, then... Actually, yeah, I kind of like the NVIDIA app. I can understand why they don't want to bother with it.

2:49:14Linus Sebastian:Yeah, we don't need two apps.

2:49:16Luke Lafreniere:I mean, I feel like the same people who are upset at NVIDIA for getting rid of the control panel are probably the same people who are mock Microsoft for still having remnants of the old school control panel instead of managing to consolidate everything in the new settings menu. So we're going to have to we're going to have to pick a lane here, folks. And I think I'm going to go with the I'd rather have one interface rather than two interfaces, some of which have some features and some of which have other features. electrobot chat says what about three control panels no no no disagree um in other news customers were deceived about active listening ai powered marketing service the ftc is forcing cox media group and two small marketing firms to settle allegations that they deceived customers by falsely claiming to offer an ai powered service that could target localized ads based on conversations captured from customer smart devices and that consumers had opted into such targeting.

2:50:18Luke Lafreniere:The marketing companies claimed that their active listening marketing service could do that and they sold the service to small businesses looking for targeted advertising. So the good news for the regular Joe, the service doesn't do that. The bad news for those businesses who paid for the service, they were being resold email lists that were obtained from other data brokers. at a high markup, of course. Cox & Co. also claimed that customers had opted in to being listened to by accepting the mandatory terms and conditions. However, that doesn't constitute opt-in consent for invasive recording services.

2:50:54Luke Lafreniere:Fun fact, Cox Media Group is a joint venture between Apollo Global Management and Cox Enterprises. These two companies' combined annual revenues are around$50 billion. A$1 million fine for them is kind of like a$2 fine for you if you make a hundred thousand dollars a year which statistically you like

2:51:13Linus Sebastian:probably don't so it's probably even less than that womp womp uh but hey here's some funnier

2:51:18Luke Lafreniere:ai news um a pizza hut franchisee operating 111 locations across the east coast is suing for a hundred million dollars over dragon tail an ai delivery management system that pizza hut forced them to adopt. Before Dragontail, over 90 % of their deliveries would arrive within 30 minutes. After that, the number dropped to 50%. Here's what it turned out went wrong. The old system had managers manually entering orders into a DoorDash tablet. Dragontail replaced that with real-time kitchen visibility for DoorDash drivers who quickly figured out that they could wait up to 15 minutes to batch multiple orders into one trip.

2:52:06Luke Lafreniere:So pieces that used to leave the store in under five minutes were sitting on the rack for up to 20 minutes. Some drivers could also see tip amounts so low tip orders would just sit there longer. The franchisee's New York City year-over-year sales growth went from positive 10 % to negative 9.8%. Meanwhile, Yum! Brands is already closing 250 Pizza Hut locations this year and reportedly exploring selling the brand. Our discussion question is at what point does AI powered efficiency just mean, hey, did anybody test this with real delivery drivers? Hello?

2:52:49Linus Sebastian:I mean, hey, did anybody test this with like new feature launch was is already a bit of a problem. I mean, you and I used to talk back in the day, I remember in the NCIX studio, there was, I believe it was Antec. There was an Antec power supply that didn't fit in an Antec case. And you were like, you'd think

2:53:06Luke Lafreniere:at least your own. They would have kicking around to check. It would be theirs. You would have slotted it in and figured that out. I understand if the Enermax, you know, mega volt 5000 doesn't fit or whatever, fine. But like, really?

2:53:24Linus Sebastian:Your own, man? it's yeah it's the same kind of thing of like did no one try this can i i don't use food delivery

2:53:31Luke Lafreniere:apps much but can i just kind of jump in with maybe this is a controversial take but like is tipping before you actually get the service not crazy

2:53:45Linus Sebastian:i mean yeah is that tipping probably is but i suspect the tipping before you actually get the service idea is that this is someone that you don't get to see handle your food for a very long time and is not supervised by anyone else so the chance of mistreatment is like very high um so i'm assuming people are tipping beforehand to try to prevent that's not tipping that's protection money like that's a racket i think yeah i think you're paying protection money for sure

2:54:22Luke Lafreniere:uber is doing tipping after now i don't know if they did it before but okay like i like i i tip my uber drivers but i always get the prompt after the fact i don't know if that applies to uber eats though the food seems to be doing that now too okay doordash i think is still before

2:54:42Luke Lafreniere:uh i don't know it might be different in different parts of the world actually whoa yeah maybe are we both reading the same one j christ 08 says doordash has you tip then after the order they ask if you want to tip more is that true that must be new oh my god that sounds crazy i had dude we we went down to the

2:55:08Linus Sebastian:labs uh some of the people from the labs went down to puget recently and we had a dinner with puget afterwards yeah um and it it they did an auto gratuity which is like you know what for parties over a certain amount yeah i don't even blame them sounds good there's an auto gratuity and then it asked you to tip that's crazy and and i i like double take because the guy's standing right there right like it's a it's a you know click and zero is a thing to do when the dude is standing right there and the service was good so i i double taped to the the receipt like multiple times being like wait no you like i i if i remember correctly i even asked him i was like this is an auto gratuity right like you guys charged this this was a tip that got charged and he was like yeah and i was like i look back at the machine it's asking for a tip and i'm like okay uh and it wasn't low uh if i remember correctly it was 20 percent yeah um so it's like

2:56:06Luke Lafreniere:i've seen servers that handle that well they'll come up with the machine and they'll be like hey by the way the tip is already there's yeah they'll like proactively remind you but i've also run into ones where clearly they like i'm kind of hoping you're not paying attention you know whatever it's the whatever it's the corporate card right yeah i spend a lot of the time when it's a big group it's whatever you know who cares it's the corporate card it's not their problem if you know you get reamed by your boss for leaving a 45 % total tip or whatever. And it might even be, yeah, it would even be that high because if you leave a 20 % tip on top of a 20 % tip, that's more than, it's not just 20 plus 20 at that point, right?

2:56:48Luke Lafreniere:Like that's a ludicrous amount to leave, but I have almost accidentally done it before where like you, I had to kind of go and double check. I have no problem with tipping for good service, but i don't like being i don't like being dark patterned into doing it if if that makes sense

2:57:07Linus Sebastian:i don't like tipping pretty much at all but i also don't like the fact that these people in a lot of cases get paid like under minimum wage because of tipping laws and all this other weird stuff so like i'm gonna do it i will engage with the system because i don't want someone who is like statistically probably just trying to get by to have to get by even less because of my like i don't like tipping therefore i will not do it um so yeah it feels like a weird hill to die on these days yeah exactly it's a it's it is much more comfortable in countries where tipping is

2:57:49Luke Lafreniere:not a thing though i am it's way nicer i am finding tip inflation to be becoming a significant problem uh here who was this in uh who was this in chat just now i hate it when the options are 25 35 and 45 uh this is in float plane chat yeah this is from magnetic flux and then the other part of it is that restaurant bills are going up by so much and tipping instead of being like a few dollars is based on percentage and it kind of reminds me of what happened with like realtor fees here in vancouver is that our house prices like tripled and the realtor fees were still just a percentage of the total transaction and you're looking at it going like hey so the work that you did was the same as before but the absolute dollar value that you're claiming is a i couldn't help noticing three times um what's up with that um yeah also dual agency was legal here forever and there's still loopholes that allow it so like it's a whole crazy thing where as far as I can tell, the entire industry is incentivized for prices just go up.

2:59:15Luke Lafreniere:Whether a realtor is representing you or the other party, they're still being compensated as a percentage of the transaction. So like, that's a pretty big conflict of interest. Anyway, sorry, this is a side tangent.

2:59:30Linus Sebastian:I'm being reminded that I'm running late for things. Oh, shoot. Okay.

2:59:36Luke Lafreniere:well let's keep going let's uh here i'm gonna push this one to next week hold on let me just do this

2:59:43Linus Sebastian:comment okay that is super cool but yeah we can talk about it next week yeah yeah it was super

2:59:47Luke Lafreniere:cool uh but it's not particularly time sensitive uh we can talk about that i'm doing a dedicated

2:59:53Linus Sebastian:video on this at computex okay okay yeah that can push cool and then uh okay this is this is mostly

3:00:01Luke Lafreniere:just speaking of conflicts of interest my brother-in-law works for spexy and i thought this was pretty cool he was talking to me about it over dinner and now it's being reported over at games beat but my brother-in-law's company um wait what the hell is this is back for 2026 announcing a new format this is this is the wrong article not the article you clicked on yeah whoops let's just let's try this oh for crying that is just a bad link nice i can start reading through it while you bring it up no it's fine i got it uh niantic spatial you know remember the mapping and ai spinoff of pokemon go's creator niantic is partnering with spexy geospatial so that's my uh that's my brother-in-law's company a network of 10 000 plus drone pilots the goal is to turn raw drone photos into highly detailed photorealistic 3D maps and reconstructions called Gaussian Splats.

3:01:01Luke Lafreniere:Currently, Spexy has 6 million plus acres mapped at a resolution of around 10 times sharper than satellite images, and they plan to map cities across North America and beyond, and are currently targeting around 300 U.S. cities. Niantic's spatial tech automatically processes these images into interactive city-scale 3D models. This is pretty huge because fresh data is really key for training advanced AI models and ensuring that things like self-driving cars or delivery drones or robots have an understanding of real-world geometry in order to navigate safely. Bill Lakeland, Speccy's CEO, also spoke on how synthetic data doesn't work.

3:01:41Luke Lafreniere:When you think about something like a first responder trying to get access to a window or something that needs to be in an exact location, AI can't just fill in details. Exact locations matter. So the use cases for this vary. Infrastructure and utility companies can use the data to inspect bridges or power lines or pipelines safely from the air without risk to humans or without, if we're being realistic, time. In transit, city planners and governments can create digital twins of cities to simulate construction and managing zoning or planning smarter infrastructure. Energy operators can monitor large-scale solar farms, wind turbines, and oil fields.

3:02:15Luke Lafreniere:And of course, AI and robotics development can train on real world 3D geometry for self-driving cars, delivery drones, etc. So the way it works basically is like you download their app. And I think there's only like one particular model of DJI drone or there might be a couple of models that are supported. And then they have just kind of like like zones that you can just you go to, you launch your drone and you just say go. and your drone basically goes up and it goes click click click click click click click click click click click click click and it just captures a bunch of imagery and then you update it and they're working on a system uh that i believe is still in like fairly early stages but where basically if a city wants one of these super high resolution super detailed maps they pay spexy and then spexy goes okay here's the bounties go ham here's all the zones where you can go earn a bounty so people who just wanted to like go out, get some fresh air, fly their drone anyway, can make some money while they're doing it.

3:03:18Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. So it kind of, it's cool that they're partnering with Niantic who was the same company that kind of went, hey, we're creating like geospatial mapping. And if you happen to want to go out for a walk anyway, then you can go collect some Pokemon. And by the way, we're going to, you know, build this geospatial mapping thing. So it seems like a pretty cool partnership. And that was a big announcement for them this week. so I thought I'd kind of share that

3:03:42Linus Sebastian:nice

3:03:45Luke Lafreniere:oh yeah here it is

3:03:50Luke Lafreniere:Noki posted I think for crying out loud I think this video has an example of the mapping around 30 seconds yeah here we go so this is super cool

3:04:02Luke Lafreniere:As a tech guy, this video was super light on the like, oh my god, this looks like an actual RTS, but it's the real world. Like stuff that I thought was really cool. It's more like flashy, but very cool. And you know what else is cool? Is Luke just kind of taken off before we do After Dark? Why don't you just, yeah, why don't you head out if you got to go?

3:04:25Linus Sebastian:Is there any that are addressed to me that I can do quickly and then just rip out of here?

3:04:30Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, sure. What mic are you using? I need to do the Razer spot, though, before we do... Okay, sure. They're in potential if you want to read them through first. Go for it. All right. Were you going to put the laptop here running Cyberpunk again, or are we not doing that again? Oh, cool. All right. Well, the Razer Blade 18 was built for heavy work... Oh, it's just me. Sure. I have my garbage here, Dan. The Razer Blade 18 was built for heavy... They're never going to sponsor us again. was built for heavy workloads from modern AAA games to rendering 3D assets to running local LLM inference and compiling code bases.

3:05:07Luke Lafreniere:Basically, you name it, the Razer Blade 18 can do it. And that's thanks to Intel's... Okay, this is a different... Oh, okay. That's thanks to Intel's Core Ultra 9 290 HX Plus processor with 24 cores, giving you up to 5.5 gigahertz boost clocks. And if you want to game on your Blade 18, it happens to include an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 with 24GB of VRAM. You are getting an 18-inch dual-mode display. It can do 4K 240Hz or 1080p 440Hz. Sorry, excuse me. UHD +, and FHD+. So I think that would be 16x10. And to keep everything cool under these heavier workloads, it has an advanced vapor chamber cooling system, including their updated multi-fan design.

3:05:55Luke Lafreniere:You get high-speed connectivity, including Thunderbolt 5, Wi-Fi 7, 2.5 gig ethernet, and you get THX spatial audio from the speakers. So, if you want to grab a Blade 16, which is the one we talked about earlier, or a Blade 18 today, all you've got to do is go to the link in the description or scan this QR code, oop, that one, on screen. All right, time to flip to After Dark, Mr. Dan. Okie dokie. Did you have a look through some of those ones in Potential?

3:06:26Luke

3:06:26Linus Sebastian:Did I? Oh, no, sorry Okay, all good I thought you were just going to tell me What a show

3:06:36Luke Lafreniere:What's interesting about the 16 inch there also has a 5090 in it which is kind of cool, if you want a smaller one Yeah Luke, what mic are you using?

3:06:45Linus Sebastian:This is the DJI Mic 3

3:06:51Luke Lafreniere:Luke, have you been to the Bar High 5 in Tokyo? if not, highly recommend it

3:06:58Linus Sebastian:I don't drink if it's a drinking bar it's a bar

3:07:05Luke Lafreniere:it seems to be a drinking bar Luke, how have you liked

3:07:09Linus Sebastian:I appreciate the suggestion, but I will probably skip it FH6 I played it a bit at Whale Land we were racing some people it seems cool it seems like FH5 in Japan, which is cool

3:07:23Luke Lafreniere:with no cappuccino I'm still angry

3:07:26Linus Sebastian:no cappuccino

3:07:27Luke Lafreniere:no ABCs there's the auto XAM

3:07:29Linus Sebastian:no 2009 Acura

3:07:32Luke Lafreniere:just absolute worst game what a scam what a scam absolute scam I guess for both of you what is the what is your least favorite part of maintaining the WAN show streak this

3:07:50Luke Lafreniere:needing to go somewhere when the WAN show is on yeah Yeah, the challenging hours when you're traveling of like aligning the people who are not traveling and the people who are traveling is pretty tough. I think overall I like the WAN show streak. It's such a part of my weekly routine at this point that I feel like if it was a Friday afternoon and I was not doing WAN show, I'd start to get kind of agitated. It gets weird. Yeah, because we've done it early. Like we've done very early in the day WAN shows and it'll be like Friday afternoon and I'm like getting like the shakes. Like I don't know where to go.

3:08:30Luke Lafreniere:I don't know what to do. Yeah. I've been doing a show for every Friday at least for the last 12 years. Who needs the social life? No. That's stupid. Yeah. It's dumb. We got Luke. Yeah. Luke, have you heard of Mitchell the Moose Hooper? he's a canadian strongman and reigning world's strongest man oh yeah yeah i know absolutely

3:08:55Linus Sebastian:yeah yeah dude's a beast okay seems like a nice dude too yeah i know it's a long shot but would

3:09:01Luke Lafreniere:it what would it take for you to do a 30-day switch to mac or apple challenge would love to hear your thoughts on mac os after your recent experience with linux

3:09:12Linus Sebastian:i could do it on my laptop i'm sure and that could be interesting and neat doing that on my desktop would be the death of me i think what if we gave you like a cheese grater or something

3:09:26Luke Lafreniere:with a pulpasaurus sticker on it to make you feel better i mean we still have a mac pro kicking around so you could take that trash can nah nah no we have like a new cheese grater still

3:09:39Linus Sebastian:i think it could be interesting like forcing myself to get used to using mac os and seeing if I could find a way to not just hate it by exposure. Actually, some exposure does help.

3:09:56Luke Lafreniere:Hey, LLD, I work as a flight instructor and find my students tend to get humbled when they try to land. When is the time you have found yourself being overconfident only to be humbled and get an appreciation for a skill? i find that the older i get the more sure i am that whatever someone else is doing is probably pretty hard um i think the last time that something was my god even more harder than i expected it to be now you are um was was when um someone tried to coach me on cranking 90s in fortnight

3:10:39Luke Lafreniere:and just I watched them do it and

3:10:48Luke Lafreniere:you know it looked like okay it looked like it was like hard but that I should at least be able to do it at slow speed but I just like I couldn't muscle memory it it was I mean admittedly I only tried for like four minutes or something but it just uh okay rocket league's another one rocket league doesn't look that hard when you watch someone who really knows what they're doing playing it but i mean you've got to decide like five seconds ahead of time where you need to be in five seconds with basically pinpoint precision especially aerials like it's ridiculous like uh i air

3:11:29Linus Sebastian:dribbling is is probably witchcraft i was trying to play with my son and his friends one time and

3:11:38Luke Lafreniere:i was like oh yeah this is like when my dad tried to play mario with us and it was just kind of a waste of everyone's time i'll just i'll be in the room and i'll cheer that's what i'll do that's how i can contribute

3:11:56Luke Lafreniere:questions for linus have your kids tried running linux on their machines i think you can go if

3:12:00Linus Sebastian:you want luke yeah i was just gonna say am i yeah take off i don't think there's any more okay

3:12:05Luke Lafreniere:you gotta say the word no say it right oh should i call him no what you could call me i'll call

3:12:13Linus Sebastian:Okay, cool. Calling me would be fine. Okay, bye. Okay. Okay.

3:12:18Luke Lafreniere:No, my kids have not tried Linux on their machines because if my kids try Linux, that's me trying Linux, and I've done enough trying Linux and troubleshooting for a while. My next foray, I think, is going to be just on one machine this time. I think it was very ambitious what I did where I tried to do like all my machines at once with different distros. It was a lot of fun, but it was also, it kind of consumed a lot of the appetite that I have had for trying an OS for just a little bit here. How you doing over there, Dan? That's what she said.

3:13:06Luke Lafreniere:He's agile like that. Look at that. He's already back in his chair. It's crazy. next howdy from texas dll markiplier finally released iron lung on youtube he mentioned that there was going to be a collab with y 'all and i'm wondering what happened with that cheers oh we just both got busy i think he and i have an exchange on discord of just like hey and then several months pass hey sorry i missed you blah blah several months pass oh yeah thanks for getting back to me sorry I've been really busy and then several months pass and it's like hey yeah I'm still totally down to do something I know it's been a while you know no pressure like it's

3:13:50Luke Lafreniere:one day one day we'll do something I'd love to and I think he'd love to but it's been it's been a very it's been a very busy life for both of us as a whole thank you dan that is uh actually um perfect in every way you've truly done a marvelous thing i'm a professional streamer yeah all right uh okay more uh let's see if a village built its own fiber internet network and they could connect anything to the network what would be the coolest or wildest thing for them to install for their residents linustown maybe i know one thing that uh that i want to do is like a buddy backup server target as like an employment perk here i don't know if the cost is going to make sense anymore this is something that i had kind of thought about doing before hard drives and memory and everything absolutely exploded in cost.

3:14:54Luke Lafreniere:And, you know, just random perks that don't have, you know, any kind of monetary benefit are, they have cost, you know. So we have to balance that with all the other sort of perks that we offer and all of our other expenses. But I think just like a village scale, you know, cloud storage would be kind of cool. Just like running your own infra. I mean, I think it'd be really cool in the age of like LLMs and AI. How cool would it be to have like a town-wide AI that doesn't share your data outside of the town and everything's like secure or encrypted or whatever? Would anybody actually do this? No.

3:15:33Luke Lafreniere:But you asked me what would be a cool or wild thing. And so I'm telling you that even though I know that it's not realistic.

3:15:42Luke Lafreniere:Hey, LLD, any thoughts on the future of anti-cheat while gaming on Linux? Will developers start supporting Linux or perhaps some form of compatibility later? Or will Linux gamers just suffer colon sad face? I'll be honest with you. I just don't think that that is ever going to be reconciled in a way that is satisfactory to Linux gamers. I think the cold hard truth is that on the Windows side, on the console side, anti-cheap protections are still making their way deeper and deeper or higher and higher in permissions levels. and on Linux, the entire architecture is inherently against prohibiting the user from accessing, you know, whatever it is they want about their computer.

3:16:39Luke Lafreniere:That's like the whole idea is that you own your computer and you can do whatever you want and you can't be locked out of it. But that's also the whole way that modern anti-cheat works is that there's protected spaces where you and your own applications that you install on your computer are not allowed to tamper with them.

3:17:01Luke Lafreniere:It just doesn't seem like it's going to happen. There may be exceptions. We may get a gaming for Linux distro that is designed to be anti-cheat friendly.

3:17:19Luke Lafreniere:But then you're just, you're going to have yet another distro. Is anybody asking for that?

3:17:37Luke Lafreniere:Raden428 says, could Valve create an anti-cheat? Would they have enough clout and reason? I mean, they have one. Doesn't seem to work too great. so um yeah all right hit me down greetings when.dll my second build included a 2k qd oled monitor i'm struggling because so far since i play simpler texture games i feel like i'm not appreciating the oled quality any suggestions i mean i i why force something i mean i um hmm that's interesting i play simpler texture games because to me the the quality of an oled doesn't really stand out depending on the like the textures in the games you're playing it's more it's more that the contrast really pops so you could play like an old like you know by modern standards like ugly looking game you could play like torchlight and it would probably look flippin awesome on an OLED just because the vibes of dungeon crawling with a super high contrast display would be awesome.

3:18:50Luke Lafreniere:One thing that might help you get the most out of it is playing around with auto HDR. There's both the one that's included in Windows and also the one that NVIDIA includes in their drivers that works with both games and with your passive media like movies and anime and whatever else that's something that might uh really help your oled punch a little bit more the auto stuff is not going to look good in everything but there are definitely titles and there are definitely genres of content that it actually works shockingly well with my gf loves the leggings especially the deep pockets was this something yvonne asked for and how involved was she in the design features uh design features not much but Yvonne was quite involved in just like trialing the quality and the fit as part of our typical development process like it's something that I do for I oh I'm afraid to say every like men's garment we've ever done because I don't know that for sure but 99 % of them like I I try on every garment I mean my whole philosophy is that if it's not good enough for me to wear, then it's not good enough for us to sell in our store.

3:20:10Luke Lafreniere:It's just that simple. And I'm not an ideal fit model. I don't have the context of what makes a good legging. So obviously I went to people in my life that I could trust to be picky and be critical, but also have the context to give appropriate, constructively critical feedback. Because if I just looked at it, I was like, oh, I don't know. It looks pretty good. Or like, I don't know. It doesn't look good. Like, that's not helpful. I don't use them every day. So I just felt like, yeah, it'd be great to get, you know, women around here at the office to be part of that process. And it wasn't just Yvonne.

3:20:53Luke Lafreniere:And the last one I've got for you today. Oh, it's just on you. Yeah, that's a good message. All the flow planes. Hi, LDT. I have a question that I've never seen a good answer to. Why is Nintendo able to use NVIDIA while Sony and Microsoft can't for consoles? Thanks again for a great show. Oh, it's not at all that they can't. I mean, the original Xbox used like a cutting edge GeForce GPU. It was actually, if I recall correctly, it was ahead of what was available for PCs at that time as an add-in card by like several months. um as for um as for sony trying to think have they ever i don't think they've ever used nvidia they they rolled their own stuff and then they did that ibm thing with cell and then ps4 they went yeah they went radeon um and then nintendo hasn't always used nvidia either in fact i think the switch was the first time they used amd back in the wii and the wii u so it basically comes down to all the same sort of business decisions that any company that sends out an RFQ and goes through and creates an optimal bill of materials and goes through the R &D of creating their device is going to go through, where they're going to evaluate the performance and the price and the thermal and power characteristics of all of their various options, and they're going to go with what makes the most sense.

3:22:22Luke Lafreniere:If I had to guess, I would say that Nintendo or excuse me, Nintendo went with NVIDIA for the Switch because nobody else had anything that was competitive at that power profile for the level of performance that they wanted to make the Switch as portable as it was. And then with the Switch 2, I talked about this a fair bit in the lead up to it. NVIDIA's DLSS is just plain better than the other things that are available in the market. And so if I was Nintendo and I was trying to build a very portable, very slim, very power efficient gaming system, I might be willing to pay the NVIDIA tax. And you bet your butt there's going to be an NVIDIA tax compared to what Microsoft and what Sony are paying from AMD.

3:23:08Luke Lafreniere:I mean, it's no secret that in the PS4 and Xbox One days, those contracts selling those Radeon chips and those CPUs for consoles was a big part of AMD's ongoing survival. Nowadays, not so much, but back then it was very important. So I suspect that Microsoft and Sony got pretty good deals. All right, I'm going to give a certain man a call.

3:23:38Luke Lafreniere:Sorry for triggering everybody with this sound.

3:23:48Hey. I am the English man from the land show for the first time ever.

3:23:53Linus Sebastian:Goodbye! Goodbye! Goodbye! Okay, Dad.

3:24:05Luke Lafreniere:Oh, right. I don't know. Same channel time! Yeah. Not for you!