Our World Record Was Shattered - WAN Show December 12, 2025

40:16I have no interest in doing that. And then the other one is that there is actually a somewhat real blocker outside of that, which is I live in a condo. The power delivery in my condo only comes from the little whatever you want to call them, garages. I don't know if I really want to call it a garage, but storage space that you have. Yeah, the storage. Which means it's only on the perimeter, and every unit only has one parking spot that's on the perimeter. So I would have to somehow buy, which is possible, but not always possible. I'd have to somehow buy a parking spot from somebody else that is on the perimeter.

40:53The information he hasn't given you is that in his household there is already a plug-in hybrid that uses the one spot they have that's on the perimeter. Which just sounds kind of annoying. Key piece of information. I would, if I got something, a plug-in hybrid would be okay, because then I could charge elsewhere and then still use the gas. I have had the thought that if, like, Acura released a TL that was a plug-in hybrid, I would wait a couple years and then potentially look into a used one. You also just don't drive that much. Correct. It's, like, not a huge deal. Yeah.

41:39no we can move on i just thought i'd bring up dan for a second okay i'll archive it who's gonna archive it because if we both archive it at the same time i we're gonna accidentally archive two let me archive no i want to archive it okay you archive it you can archive this one no you do it no i'll do it you already did it all right why don't we pick another topic Australia's social media ban for under 16s has gone into effect. On Wednesday, December 10th, Australia became the first country and entire continent to stop users under the age of 16 from accessing social media. The list of social medias that are blocked or not permitted includes Facebook, Instagram, Kik, Reddit, Snapchat, Threads, TikTok, Twitch, Twitter, and YouTube.

42:39It is worth noting that some platforms, notably Reddit, YouTube, and no, Twitch was on the list of ones that are blocked. I think it was Discord. I think it's supposed to say Discord here. And Discord can still be accessed. But users visiting the site will not be able to sign in or create an account. The bill is framed as... The female audience in Flipping Chat says Tumblr is still allowed, which is actually surprising to me. What? That seems strange. Is there like a user limit thing and they just don't have enough people? Sorry, user limit? Like a lot of these laws really only will apply to services that have enough people going to it.

43:38No, Tumblr is big enough that I would imagine it would matter. Is it still? And it's clearly not a user question because Reddit's allowed. Reddit's got plenty of users. Hydrock says, what about Patreon? Oh, there's a lot more. Oh, wow. there was a strong resurgence among gen z i didn't know that happened yeah no tumblr's been more of a thing again which is pretty wild very interesting yeah um the life cycle of trends is yeah so fast that they might as well just never be untrendy at this point like i i'm sort of blown away like when is slash dot gonna make a triumphant return along with dig wait wait didn't dig dig is working on aren't they working on a relaunch i still haven't actually i got an invite i still haven't actually like accepted it okay anyway the bill is framed as protecting children and australia's e-safety commissioner julie inman grant has stated that if any teenagers have not been booted off yet they will be in the coming weeks or months okay this is because some of these companies were a bit slower to communicate to their user base about the upcoming change and might not have had the systems fully deployed communications minister annika wells boasts proudly with this law stating not that long ago auto manufacturers told us that making compulsory seatbelts would break their business model it couldn't be done now families choose cars based on who offers the safest features big tech could compete like airlines like auto manufacturers to have the best safety record to offer their users and that future is a little closer today because of this world leading law Dan what was that noise you were making earlier?

45:18Yeah, that's the one. Julie Inman has also stated that more sites could be added to this ban in the future, as several youth under 16 have already migrated towards different social media platforms. Wow, it's almost like the kids who have all the time in the world to go and find another platform are always going to be a step ahead of the boomers who are sitting there dragging their having stick in the mud sticks work life balance yeah they're what are they um work governance balance they're busting 90s trying to i've heard i've heard based on some keep up with the kids some observations that i've had that work governance balance is like you maybe do it like i don't know four or five days a year or something it's interesting uh work what now don't worry about it uh some youth are challenging the ban saying parental supervision of online activity is today the paramount parental responsibility we do not want to outsource that responsibility to government and unelected bureaucrats this ban is a direct assault on young people's right to freedom of political communication according to yougov and their survey 77 of australians were in support of the ban which is up from 61 back in august on twitter several people noticed the irony of claiming this ban is protecting children when two social media applications were excluded from the ban discord and roblox that are both notorious for being an unsafe environment for underage youth yeah really all right a lot to unpack here number one is this ain't gonna work overall i'm not entirely unsupportive of limiting youth access to social media.

47:06I think it's been pretty well studied and well demonstrated to be harmful to developing brains. There was a few discussions that propped up on the Reddit of like, oh my God, what does this mean for Flowplane? Minimum age in Australia to get a credit card is 18. So nothing. Sounds good. Yep, we'll be fine. We're chilling. We will do a total of nothing. But what's very clear is that this just isn't going to work. oh yeah not at all not even a little bit who cares i think this will barely phase anyone under 16 in australia at all they'll just use something slightly different or they'll vpn to it if they really care well it's kind of like how when you um like when you travel to different places there's just like there's a different suite of apps that people tend to use like you go to taiwan everyone uses line for messaging yep you know or you go to america and everyone uses iMessage because installing an app is too complicated.

48:05You know, or whatever. Like there's...

48:12What is it with you and like the sick burns on America? I don't get it. They swung first. I don't know. That's what it is. They're big. They can dig it. Anyway, the point is just that It's clear that they're just going to find a different way to network. And, you know, at the very most basic level, it's not like they aren't still going to have text messaging and group chats, which, functionally speaking, is, sure, without the algorithmic portion, a lot of what anybody is doing on social media anyway. They're sharing pictures. They're sharing memes. They're sending messages to each other. They're bullying each other.

48:57You know, kid stuff. So our discussion questions are, would you help your kids around this law if it was implemented today in Canada? No, I wouldn't, actually. In fact, my kids are already banned from, let me see, actually, what are all these platforms? Facebook, yes. Instagram, banned. Kick, banned. Reddit, banned. Snapchat, banned. Threads, banned. TikTok, banned. Twitch, banned. Twitter, banned. YouTube they are allowed to use. Has there been any... Oh wait, no, YouTube, sorry, YouTube wasn't a banned one, I think. Was YouTube banned? I don't think so. I think our list is a little bit broken here.

49:40I think our list is a little bit messed up. Don't worry about our list too much. We've already had a bunch of people in chat talking about how things are different to the list. Yeah, sorry guys. No, because Reddit's in both of them. YouTube's in both of them. Just ignore the list. Dang it, guys. Anyway. Completely ignore the list. Anyway, the point is, yeah, my kids are not banned from YouTube but they are banned from everything else that I just said. They are not banned from Discord, but I do, with their knowledge, keep an eye on what Discords they're in and who they're talking to because they are not allowed to talk to people on Discord that they do not know in real life.

50:12And I think that's a pretty common sense limit. Has there been any substantial... Like, does that seem to bother them? Not the Discord thing, but like the banning of the other platforms. Do they feel like they are not included socially in school? They're still pretty young. Yeah. So I think that that's probably going to ratchet up. Not... His public name now is Randy. Randy. Okay. Yeah. Randy's at the age where that kind of stuff is becoming a thing for sure. Oh, definitely. And like he has friends that literally will come to our house. And while everyone else is like running around like hooligans...

50:56will just sit on their phone and you know like i i'm not here to parent other people's that is sad um yeah yeah i'm not i'm not here to parent other people's kids so i'm not going to get involved in that right but it's it's definitely something that you know as parents of randy we notice sup someone in chat was like would you let them sign up for world of warcraft and dan just responded eve online and it's like you gotta start them young that'll teach you some things i don't mind them getting into capitalism baby actually you just watch movies mostly yeah it's uh yeah and we try to keep them really busy actually oh man this transitions pretty well into uh a pretty cool subject uh and into our next topic uh or okay is there anything else we want to talk about here i think we're fine via merch message and elijah oh elijah's theory is that roblox and discord are exempt because it's algorithm based they don't really have like an algorithm compared to like facebook insta or twitter that's that's an interesting theory um okay okay he might be right he might be wrong no i am not uh trying to counter his statement to be clear i'm wondering like is that a good thing to base it off of um all i can say for sure is that it's based on what i don't know sure it's based on something it seems like i mean i don't know that seems like a pretty good assumption based on the list that we have but yeah okay so speaking of my kids and being generally too busy to doom scroll tiktok um i think i told you that he had the entrepreneur fair coming up yes and uh my son was uh has been 3d printing up an absolute storm yeah i think uh i think we showed on the show last week the picture of him surrounded by chaos in my mechanical room with 3d printers everywhere uh does that sound familiar did we did we do that i think we did that okay cool yeah so the fruit of those labors uh dan i just sent that over to you photo we do we have an updated photo let's go dude i messaged him i went hey Oh no first he messaged me He says hey I left money on your desk For filament sorry your nightstand And I go I heard you had a great Haul at the entrepreneur fair How much did you make?

53:27He goes after expenses around $200 After expenses? So he's already doing that calculation which is sick So he all this is after He reimbursed me for filament By weight Dang dude That'll be addicting pretty freaking cool uh i went um great job did you take a picture with your earnings first big payday and so he sent me this that's a pretty good first big payday yeah so he um so he actually did two projects so instead of just doing one he did the 3d printing thing with me and then with yvonne he was working separately on snow cones so he was like okay what's something that has like a relatively low input cost, but that has like a pretty decent value.

54:17It's like consumable. He originally wanted to do like milkshakes or boba tea or something like that, but they were really complicated. And what he settled on was snow cones. They're super simple. You just get those like Mio squirt things at the grocery store. You add a little bit of additional colorant or dye. And then you just need like a whole bunch of like just ice cubes. and then he rented a machine to turn the ice cubes into like snow and it's like slush and then you just squirt the thing on it and so he absolutely cleaned up i asked him how his friends did and he didn't have numbers from everybody but he did talk to one of his friends who was like i think a hundred bucks revenue or something like that for what was actually a pretty cool idea too but he just, man, he just cleaned up.

55:10So you said parents weren't coming, right? So did parents like send the kids with cash? That's kind of cool. Yeah, so they have an entrepreneurship class. That's awesome, by the way. And so you come up with a business idea and then they platform you. They give you two days in December, about, I think it's a week or two apart or something like that. and then uh each of the classes in the school is given like 10 minutes to go through and their parents know about it and so they'll come with a little bit of pocket money and then they're allowed to to buy stuff while they're there so he he sold through three quarters of all the like fidget toys and stuff that he made and he sold um i forget how many snow cones but he moved through out of the eight things of flavoring and and like dye the flavor dye mixtures that he had he sold through six of them so like three quarters of his inventory gone and what's funny is like he was a hundred percent right i told him that i didn't think he was gonna need so much i was like dude you're staying up late like every day babysitting the 3d printers right now i i think you're i think you're setting your sights a little high uh and he's like no no no i'm really confident i'm really confident and i was like okay kiddo like but you know don't Don't be too disappointed, sport, if they don't buy that many of them.

56:34You know, don't worry about it. Like, I was kind of trying to set him up to not be too sad, like, if he failed.

56:45Yeah, I appreciate that you've let him. Yeah, well, I don't want to just let him. I want to, like, well, oh, yeah, well, he's got to... Stay up late is what I mean. Oh, well, yeah. I mean, he's got... Yeah, but some people would have been like, ah, put the printers away, go to bed. He's got business to do, though. Yeah. He's doing business. I think that's cool. I'm just saying, I appreciate you let him do it. Yeah, he's doing business. I'm recognizing that as much as that might seem like a default for you, it's not going to seem like a default for everyone. And it's important at that age, I think, it's important to try something.

57:23And... You want to care about something. It depends on the kid, too, though. Fair enough. He generally is the first to bed in the evening. Yeah. Like out of all five of us. So you know it's probably important and it's not just an excuse to sit on his switch or something. 100%. Yeah. All right. Dan, what are we supposed to be doing right now anyway? Oh boy. What do you want to talk about? You want some good news or some bad news? I've got really good and I've got really bad. uh do really bad first okay cool yeah um a youtuber gave chat gpt control of a robot and convinced it to shoot him with a bb gun so that was cool uh youtube channel inside ai has raised new concerns about ai safety after releasing a video showing the host giving a unitary g1 humanoid robot a bb gun and asking it to shoot him the video explores how large language models behave when they are placed inside physical robots rather than kept purely in software.

58:34In the demonstration, the Unitree G1 was powered by ChatGPT with a human assisting by relaying prompts but not directly overriding the AI's responses. After initially refusing to cause harm, the AI eventually complied when the host asked it to roleplay as a robot that wanted to shoot him. highlighting how safety limits can be bypassed through prompt framing yeah it's yeah yeah i mean it is super interesting and this exact use case is like wild especially for the you know the emotional response to what just happened but this core concept of you can just word something a little differently and then you can make it do stuff has been true the whole time and i don't think they're ever going to solve it the last time we talked about it it was turning it into poetry you know there's gonna be a route it's been a route the whole time there will be there will continue to be a really cool experiment really cool version of it i'm not trying to dog on the creator at all to be very clear um but yeah like this isn't this isn't going away is what i'm trying to say um so hold on apparently the the time stamp is here we're just going to show a little bit because you guys really need to go watch this video it's over on inside ai would max shoot me the answer is

1:00:05control the gun oh okay well whatever don't worry about it go watch the video instead i think we have the time stamp wrong but that's fine because you should go watch the video anyway around the same time a separate video from a tesla event appeared to show an optimus humanoid robot collapsing as its human teleoperator well i'm not going to tell you what the human teleoperator was doing i'll let you guys figure it out luke have you seen this have you heard about this no okay so here's the tesla optimus robot what so what do you think happened here it was doing stuff and then

1:01:18So this gesture right here and the progress that they've made and are still faking a lot of their functionality by using human teleoperators. And it really does look like, yeah, I think the Hero 42 has probably got it about right. It looks like Buddy, who was working on this particular robot, realized that he had to poop really bad right now. And he just... i gotta go peaced out yeah we don't know that for sure that robot could have been trying to do anything it could have been like the like alpha from power rangers i you know like who knows that's all right self-driving smitty ready in 2017 in two weeks next quarter next quarter um together these incidents highlight how fragile the appearance of autonomy still is in humanoid robots and how far the technology remains from operating safely and independently it really really does highlight that doesn't it and to be clear um like i i remember back when we were talking about this a little while ago when i i said something along the lines of like mark my words, Tesla's valuation based on how many optimists they're going to sell at the kind of pricing that they're talking about is obviously just complete horseshit.

1:02:46I'm not saying that humanoid robots or some form of, you know, AI or machine learning accelerated robots are not going to be huge and world changing. I'm just saying that it's clearly farther away than the hype masters would like us to believe and also tesla is clearly not at the forefront of development of these those those were the main two things that drove my statement yeah do you remember so to touch on a topic that i think it was last week sometimes the the wanshows kind of blur together but we talked about uh some you know ai robot companies video and how it was like it looked super fake to us.

1:03:29Apparently, I haven't seen it. My bad. But apparently, Corridor watched it. I did see that. And does not think it's fake. My main argument, I did say that I thought it was fake. 100%. But my main argument was that it really felt like they shot it in a way that would make people think it was fake because they wanted the news cycle around that. You still think so? Which I do think that was intentional. That is actually one of our topics today. On the Corridor cast, they stated that the interaction between the robot's shadow and the human's shadow was, and this is a quote, flawless. And that's something that's really hard to do.

1:04:10They think it's highly likely that they just built a robot unless they hired the world's best BFX artists. Yeah. They believe that the robot doesn't look like direct motion capture either, but actually trained on human motion, which is not easily animated. um it's not quite pre-programmed but it like has goals and tries to reach those while factoring things like balance right um the lack of movement in their feet is probably because it's not an accurate anatomical representation of a human one with all the same joints uh corridor crew didn't cover the ceo getting kicked by the robot um but there's a video of that we looked at that last week our writer probably didn't um didn't notice did we actually i think so i don't think so you sure yeah i'm pretty sure we did really i'm pretty sure we did yeah this okay yeah yeah i'm pretty sure we did that i'm pretty sure this came out after yeah this came out four days ago oh yeah there you go yeah no don't some people say yes we did there's another ceo kick video oh it was a different one okay okay cool anyway i mean good good for them like that that's pretty cool.

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1:07:00It says, briefly talk about James Scott's upgrade video. I am going to do that. We had a lot of people talk about how tacky and tasteless it was that we were making cancer jokes about James Scott and his struggle and his survival. But I would like to make it very clear that I was deeply uncomfortable with much of what was said. And it was actually James himself who was pushing the gallows humor of the video, which at the end of the day, guys, it ain't about me. It is about respecting the wishes of the people who are, who are actually had cancer and expunged it from their body. and if he wants to if he wants to look in cancer's face and say f*** you cancer and laugh about it then I am the exactly I am the last person who's going to get in the way of it it's not and like man I can understand where people are coming from but imagine the opposite imagine where you're like no you don't get to communicate about this the way that you want to like are you kidding me that's so much worse I mean when they told me yeah he's like super down to meme on it i kind of imagined okay we'll have like a couple jokes or something or like we'll have the intro but then like he was like yeah hard he went hard he was hard yeah i mean i assume so i'd i'd be if i was getting a five thousand dollar amd ultimate tech upgrade heck yeah um anyway massive shout out to amd for keeping this series alive and helping us equip the wonderful members of our team with sick gaming rigs and all kinds of cool stuff.

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1:09:36I think that's just from someone's headline, and they were trying to do headline things. Cool. Intel quietly added official support for something codenamed BMG G31 to its V-Tune profiler software, getting folks thinking it's Intel's long-rumored big BattleMage gaming card. The B770, which... Oh, man. I'm actually very excited for that, if that is actually what's happening. The V-Tune profiler update also added support for Core Ultra 3 Panther Lake processors. And since Panther Lake is expected to debut at CES 2026, this could be a sign that will also be introduced to this new GPU at CES, which makes me interested in actually going, but considering it's still just a rumor, I don't know.

1:10:24On top of that, a leaked shipping manifest references an unseen 300-watt Intel GPU. and since 300 is a bigger number than 190, folks are concluding that this mysterious newcomer has got to be the B770, which, again, would be awesome. It's worth noting... No, it would be 770. Oh.

1:10:48It's worth noting that this enigmatic new GPU would be another non-gaming... Could be another non-gaming ARC Pro card like the B60 that launched at Computex. I doubt it. My goodness, I hope not. I am pretty sure it's the B770. But, you know, we don't technically know. No, we really don't. I am talking very openly about this because neither of us have any info on this at all. I do not know. But, man, that would be cool. Even if it's just because there's constant rumors that they're going to stop doing GPU stuff and it's so annoying. Oh, I know. well okay there are constant rumors but there honestly aren't that many sources of them i think there's just some particularly uh dedicated intel dgpu um i don't know what to call it because i don't even think it's hating i think it's just like doubters yeah doubting doubting stop doubting intel dgpu we really really want it to exist we just need more competition amd is not going to step up and more threads is uh many many years from being a meaningful competitor so intel is our best shot here yeah uh moving on phillips wrote us wrote us a letter wow gosh thank you phillips hey linus and the linus tech tips team thanks for taking a fresh look at philips fixables we watched your initial youtube podcast a few months back and your recent follow-up we wanted to use this opportunity to share where we are now and what has been happening behind the scenes since our first parts dropped earlier this year you guys might remember they probably don't sound like that philips fixables was a concept from philips yes where they would add to the longevity of your philips personal products you know like shavers and stuff like that by allowing you to 3d print replacement parts or accessories really cool concept and then six months went by and we did a follow-up segment on wan show after initially praising the program where we went hey what the fuck where is all this stuff you published like one thing so phillips reached out and this is a quote from the letter from the outside our pace looks slow this is a fair call fixables is a pilot for us we've been building the know-how and guardrails to make 3d printable parts that work for people on a wide range of home printers however they note that just because things have looked slow from the outside, that doesn't mean the pilot has been abandoned.

1:13:32New fixables were released before US Thanksgiving. Two new combs and a shaver protecting cap, and Philips has said that they are going to prioritize accessory replacement models that help to extend product life. Another quote, we appreciate the passion from the community, including feedback and critiques. They are still committed to releasing more print files by the end of the year um and then we'll we'll have a look then we'll see how that goes this gives me some hope i guess but yeah we'll see how it goes no i definitely i definitely have some i definitely responded they seem to care and their their response is plausible fine taking injection molded parts and making them 3d printable and vice versa taking 3d printable parts and making them injection moldable not always just drag and drop plug and play so they've got a bit more time you have some time happy happy to give them some time you have this is i was like angry before and now I'm waiting.

1:14:45Now they have time. Yeah. And it is time for us to do our flow plane announcement. Linus to finish. What? What does that even mean? Linus to finish all the shots of lemon juice before the finish line. What is this? Why am I taking shots of lemon juice? Because you lost wise when late. What do you mean I lost wise when late? I cannot lose at my own game It's not your game Why is WAN late is my game It is not your game I mean it happens on my property Actually no it doesn't It happens on BC something something LTD holding company's property Okay fair play Take the shots whenever you want You must finish all your shots Before you reach the finish line Those are big shots of lemon juice The amount of shots you have to do is half of the score difference of why is when late our popular float plane series today the loser not naming names has to take four as they lost by eight points so one to nine give you three cups but i have to refill one for you i guess i see okay so uh that's not lemonade by the way that's that's this stuff interesting I can't really see them they're they're slightly behind the banner but they're these yeah that's quite a bit this is concentrated it's it's this stuff like you've probably I used to when I was really tired and I live with my parents we often had one of these in the fridge and I take a squirt of this just to wake up right in the eyes I would use this basically is like a short-term energy drink and I'm taking whole shots of it.

1:16:42Oh boy, this will be interesting. Okay. Four shots of that. I already have a sore throat. Alright, well, Luke, I guess, um, okay, it says watch this video. Do you want to bring it up? Sure, I can do that. Dan, you ready for audio? Uh, you're already playing audio. Okay, sounds good. Got him. Both of you are. I don't know who's gonna do it. I will be doing it. Here we go. You're still playing audio. Okay. I don't know. Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah. There we go. There you go. Ready? Let's see. That should play. The one that started it all. Copy my theme week the moment it popped off. My product has been all over your sequels ever since.

1:17:28Who the hell are ya? You all know who I am. I'm the one that stopped Linus from getting cancelled. Say my name. You're Luke Lafrendo. It's Luke Lafrenier. Lafrenier. Luke Lafrenier. Lafrenier. Lafrenier. Friend-der-ier. Lafrenier! What are some tech essentials for most gamers? Hot take, most stuff that people are interested in, if they're watching this channel, is excess. What person out of all of the history of mankind who would be the best at a piss drinking contest? And they were like, probably Elon. Absolutely. We're here to talk about something actually much more impactful from Embark. Our graders.

1:18:05Just this week, my time spent in meetings was 32 hours. Jesus. I could start an online business. Turns out the furries buy a lot of pictures. For those who come after her, he doesn't get it. Yeah. There it is. I don't know what that has to do with why when late, but why don't you go ahead and do the read thing, and then I will... No, no, no, no, no. Enjoy this delicious drink. Coincidental timing. Timing? This is a punishment for why when late. It's happening during the float plane announcement. The float plane announcement is about Luke Week 2. Oh, well then why don't you talk about Luke Week 2?

1:18:44I can do that. The one that started it all, our next theme week returns with Luke Week 2, Electric Boogaloo. We have three amazing float plane exclusives. Wait, where did he throw it? we have three amazing float plane exclusives I think Linus is supposed to be reading this totaling about two hours of Luke time like a Q &A with Luke himself that's a weird thing to say when I'm sitting there answering questions like his three float plane dev wishes his frugal lifestyle and life satisfaction coming on Monday there's a one hour session with Riley talking about the state of AI on Wednesday and a video essay discussion about the state of gaming titled On...

1:19:26what? Okay, whatever. It's going to have a title. On Friday. For reference, his first video essay was four minutes long, but he thought it was 18 minutes long. Yeah. Turned out it was super short. First theme week up on Floatplane right now and enjoy the sequel coming next week at lmg.gg slash luke25 all lowercase. While waiting, you can enjoy an early LTT video release that is happening on float plane right now oh my oh it's this one oh I like this one uh we did another one of you know that YouTube format that's like$30 versus$30 ,000 thing we got a TV for$30 what open box insignia 32 inch TV 720p from Best Buy with warranty from Best Buy From Best Buy.

1:20:22We got a$35 TV. What? And then we do a$300 TV. $3 ,000 TV and then we make our way all the way up to$30 ,000 TV. So this is going to be public. Oh, excuse me. Sorry. Are those gnarly? Is this rough? That's not that bad. Yeah. That's not that bad. I do sour for breakfast. This doesn't feel as strong as it used to be. Either that or you're just more of a man. Maybe.

1:20:54yeah I was dude we had this candy when I was a kid called um screaming blue saucers and I'm pretty sure they stopped making them because they like gave you cancer or something but they were all the best candy they were like the they were like the precursor they walked so warheads could run um oh seriously and I would just like they were supposed to be like the kind of candy that You like you punk your friends by giving them one and they're like Or whatever and I'd like pop them be like mmm. These are good. I love Sour candy people sell them for a lot. Oh, yeah, you can't get them anymore Wow to my knowledge are there are there like old-school candy collectors is that a thing?

1:21:39Oh, yeah, of course Probably, eh? Of course. These are all plates. Screamin' Saucers, baby. Apparently it was a local company like bc oh that's cool yeah angry panda pc says covid killed the taste buds i legitimately don't think so because i definitely can still taste food yeah like i don't i don't think that happened to me at all to be honest um we do have a couple of notes regarding the price change announcement for floatplane based on some feedback about the 99 pricing strategy the prices will now be $8 and$13 for new subscribers. Thank you for the additional penny per year, per month, per month.

1:22:20For annual plans, we will honor the current discount on a yearly purchase. So the$8 tier will become $80 per year, and the$13 tier will become$130 per year, both in US dollars. For current subscribers who wish to change subscription tiers after the price increase, we will not be able to automatically grant you the pre-increase grandfathered price. However, you can contact support at support at floatplane.com and we can manually grant it to you if you're eligible. And that might be automatic in the future. It's just switching entire plans and retaining your grandfather status was not something built into the grandfather tool.

1:22:58And it was something asked for very late in the game and would need some payments changes. So for now, just message support. It'll be fine. There's a relatively low lift way of support doing that, but it's a high lift way of developers doing that right now so it's just not worth it as always our support team will be available to address any additional edge cases when the new plan takes effect and to reiterate the og three dollar tier and the current recurring subscribers will not be affected by the price yeah you can keep your thing you're cool you're good you're all good relax don't worry about it you're fine hey guy relax guy yeah buddy yeah depending on how long we keep flow playing.

1:23:36I feel like there's going to be a lot of different grandfathered statuses. I know. I do feel like that may be untenable at some point, but we'll figure it out. We'll cross that chasm for now when we get to it. Alright. Daniel Besser, what are we supposed to be doing right now? You sure? You guess? He just guesses. Okay, two to three more topics. I can't believe he would guess. He put the card up there. He would guess. That man? That man would guess. Is he a guesser? I think so. No, well, a Besser for certain, but a Guesser we can only guess.

1:24:11AMD has officially unveiled their FSR Redstone update. This is an upgrade to their upscaling technology built exclusively for the latest Radeon RX 9000 series or RDNA 4 GPUs. This is a quote from AMD. fsr4 has been renamed fsr upscaling to better distinguish between the various features that now make up the fsr or now make up fsr redstone yeah that doesn't really okay sure redstone is a suite of several new machine learning based features including better upscaling frame generation ray regeneration and radiance caching ray regeneration is a machine learning back to Denoiser that reuses the last frame's ray tracing work, so the GPU only redraws what's actually changed, so it reconstructs the missing details.

1:25:06Radiance Caching uses an AI neural network to dynamically guess bounced lighting so the GPU doesn't have to calculate and render subsequent bounces of light. It is expected to be supported in over 200 games by the end of 2025, but for now, only about 40 games will make use of Redstone. AMD's graph claims you can see more than 3x the frame rate in some games compared to native rendering, with spikes of up to 4.7 times in titles like Cyberpunk 2077. So there it is, folks. Just like NVIDIA, AMD now has machine learning-based upscaling and frame generation and all that kind of stuff, as long as you happen to be one of the handful of folks who have a Radeon 9000 series GPU.

1:25:48I was actually chatting with one of the employees at Smash Champs, uh raj he was in one of the tours and he's uh he's a pretty big amd guy he uh treated himself to uh i i think he had a 7900 xt and then he actually went 90 70 xt if i recall correctly sorry raj if i'm getting this wrong uh but basically he was he was pretty miffed even though he has a 9000 series card that amd's because he's like he's kind of he's rooting for them you know and he was kind miffed that amd was kind of leaving behind their non rdna4 customers with this feature announcement and i was like yeah that's a that's a fair point roge but as much as amd has made a solid effort to have their products you know age like fine wine with driver support and feature updates the old cards just don't have the ai processing on board so there's only so much you can really do Nvidia was way ahead of them in terms of implementing neural processors on their GPUs.

1:26:53So there's nothing that you can really do about that. And you could kind of try to flub it with your more general compute, but then you're taking away from the base performance that you're trying to upscale and frame generate from. So that's pretty tough. you end up robbing your left pocket in order to pay your right pocket um so yeah downer but uh i guess it's cool for people who have a 90 70 or 90 70 xt or a 90 uh 90 60 series i guess cool good chat do you want to talk about next uh but you want to do this thing pebbles founder introduces a$75 AI smart ring? Yeah, it's less stupid than it sounds.

1:27:45And I'm going to tell you a couple things that aren't in the notes that are going to make it sound really stupid. Oh. It has a literally, not only non-replaceable battery, a non-rechargeable battery. Ooh.

1:28:03It has a microphone, because of course it does. and um let's see what else can i tell you that will make you hate it let me think um okay yeah it has a non-replaceable battery i already got that uh what's something that you might like hate about it i mean yeah it's like i don't like the non-rechargeable battery that's already ridiculous yeah okay i uh okay but i'll tell you the good things now okay okay all right let's just talk Yeah, so the non-rechargeable battery, the non-replaceable, non-rechargeable battery, apparently it'll last for a couple of years. They have already telegraphed. That still sucks, but okay.

1:28:45They have already telegraphed that they will put a recycling program in place so that you can return the ring. Telegraphed? Said they will. Okay. I do still think that's kind of BS because the odds of, like me, I'm just thinking for myself here, the odds of me going to the effort to return it to them, even if they were to cover shipping back to them, which I sincerely doubt they would, the odds of me bothering to do that are pretty slim. And I think that's probably true of a lot of people. I have a bin of dead batteries that is probably about this big by this deep, by this deep, by this long. Like it's like thick that are pending.

1:29:24Next time I am going to Ikea and I remember to bring my batteries, I'm going to dump them all in their battery chute. I think I've had it for about six years now.

1:29:38There is no subscription. So once you buy it, you just like have it. The microphone is not always listening. It is explicitly only listening when you activate it because otherwise you would trash your battery life because it's not rechargeable and not replaceable. So it's only active when you specifically activate it. and the part that I like about it is apparently, I haven't tried it yet, but apparently it's like really slim, and what it's meant to do more than anything else is without having to pull out your phone, jot down a thought, or like set a quick reminder, there is no chat bot, you don't have a relationship with it, it doesn't pretend to be your friend, And you can either use a local AI model that runs on your smartphone and stores data locally.

1:30:34Or you can, I think with a subscription, you can do a cloud-enabled model. Hold on. Our notes are a little bit vague, and I can't remember that part, so don't quote me on that. compared to competing smart rings that cost several hundred dollars and bundle health tracking are always on ai features the index 01 that's what it's going to be called is significantly cheaper and intentionally limited focusing on a simple note-taking function rather than trying to do everything at once so there's no health tracking nothing like that okay i'm really curious to hear your thoughts on this because if nothing else it's different anything Anything that by its core design is designed to die and that is unnecessary, I don't feel like I'm going to like.

1:31:34So you don't like humans? No, because that is... You'll take that up with God then. I think that is necessary in that case though. Really? I think so. So for evolutionary survival of the fittest, we have to die and be replenished? How are we going to... In what way could we not? I feel like we're getting off topic here.

1:31:56and like i do i do this does make me dislike things like light bulbs because it's a confirmed non-conspiracy theory that they have collaborated to make them worse and like that sucks that makes me hate them and in this case it's like man yeah i'd rather pay a little bit more if it wasn't for sure going to be dead in two years like i look at my phone i i don't really feel like i need a new phone after two years why would i need a new pretty okay smart ring it's probably still going to be fine in two years if i could just charge it or replace the battery i think either would maybe be fine ideally charging i can understand that adding charging to a smart ring would probably add a significant amount of bulk apparently technology connection says there is some nuance to the light bulb thing and there were there were trade-offs that were made it was an engineering trade-off so duly noted technology connections is based i'm willing to believe him on this i would say that i think you could flag anything as a trade-off okay so someone in chat said the trade-offs are very valid that adds that adds yeah but i mean there's also okay I wonder what the trade-offs were like I have this conversation with the CW engineering and fashion team all the time where there are trade-offs in terms of like what I haven't watched this video on it but I know that there are trade-offs in terms of what the market will bear and you know it it could be that your your light bulb that would last 10 times longer but cost twice as much would be a commercial failure so you like make the one that will cost half as much but last one-tenth as long and you know you consider you know you're it's sort of you're bound by market forces i think it's a cop-out i think you should just build high quality products that last a really long time people are saying it's brightness versus lifetime of the bulbs which is interesting because if you look at that light bulb that's been on for like an incredible amount of time in that fire station it's not very bright yeah that's valid okay all right all right all right i'll I don't know.

1:34:13I feel like that might be maybe a bit of a scapegoat because there are modern LED lights that are incredibly bright and it's definitely unnecessary. It would probably be chill if they just lasted a lot longer and weren't quite as bright. Yeah. So it does seem like there may be an intent there. I don't know. I want to go watch his video because Technology Connections is super based. So yeah, I have no idea. I don't want to make up my mind about this when I don't know all the information. I don't know. Right. There we go. Fixed. I didn't know the line. Get it?

1:34:52I.e. every LED headlight being too bright. I don't know if this is a hot take or not. That needs to be illegal. It's like a problem. Holy crap. How have we let this be a thing? it's wild i actually don't have a take on this my night vision is pretty good i it doesn't bother me i don't really get halos and i don't really get like uh i don't really get like super glare or i don't really have trouble seeing from people's like super bright headlights but my wife um a lot of people do has had um like corrective surgery for her eyes uh she used to be a glasses enjoyer and is now not so much and so for her bright lights can be extremely blinding at light at night um and so yeah i i understand that it's a problem but it hasn't ever really bothered me and to be clear when i say it doesn't bother me i don't mean that in like a um well not my problem i'm gonna put my giant big lights in the front of my car and i'm gonna point them up like this this is a large part of the problem my factory lights is how much people's lights are pointed into my window right yeah it's like a lot of it uh have you ever thought of buying a cyber truck then you'll be sitting up higher

1:36:12no you've never thought of buying no not even once i have thought about buying a truck but not a cyber truck not a cyber truck you like a more analog truck not a digital truck actually yes you like more polygons just thinking an old toyota an old yoda interesting okay why uh it would be nice to have something that i could more easily go camping with there are certain trails that you can't effectively get to the trailhead unless you have a truck in bc um it would be kind of sick um an old yeah tacoma or hillocks or something would be neat i don't need it to be nice my step in a lot of ways i'd probably prefer it wasn't because like i'm gonna get it scratched up and beat up and that's cool i don't i don't yeah i don't need it to be nice my stepdad had a super cute little pickup back when uh i don't know if it was this one but it was like a little tiny pickup truck this was like the actual name of it was the pickup like its model was pickup which is pretty funny is that is that a thing because i i think it might have looked like this toyota pickup yeah okay all right interesting pretty sick yeah none of these other ones look right this is this is the one he uh he had the muffler um tied on to the bottom of it with that you know that yellow rope like okay that yellow rope yeah so he just had it like tie it fell off at some point and like super plastic yeah yeah and he just tied it back on with yellow rope so that was the kind of engineering that he did heck yeah heck yeah all right so okay but other than other okay so you don't like it because it is it is disposable essentially but we buy it so disposable like it's it's okay it sounds like a long time that it lasts for two years because it's a non-rechargeable battery so it's like oh wow it does last for two years that's cool a device like this i would expect to have for more than two years we buy a lot of things that last for less than two years that cost a lot of money how long does the chicken in your fridge last not a good argument and you know it no but it's hard it's tough with you because you don't buy tchotchkes you don't buy like gadgets that you know you're not getting going to get a ton of use out of if someone expects to get one year out of this and they expect that they're going to buy a new one in a year because they want to keep up with the newest thing, whatever.

1:38:50It gets a little bit better. I would still prefer that wasn't a thing because you could sell it off to somebody else who could still enjoy the thing without just throwing all of that value and that tech away. So I still don't like it because repairability is sick and cool and based and you should be able to keep things around. I know people that use some phones that are real old the iPhone that I carry for full plane stuff is an X it still works great it's like actually very impressive that it's still totally fine it's battery life is not that amazing anymore but it's still impressively pretty alright I'm not like on it that often cause you know and it'll easily last often days oh yeah Apple's idle battery management.

1:39:40Insane! It's so good. That's old! That would make this thing at its death point look like a young pup. So like, I don't like that. And I don't think I don't think there's an argument that's going to convince me otherwise. One thing I would ask is how many smart rings have replaceable batteries? That I'm aware of none. Yeah, okay. But rechargeable, yes. but rechargeable yeah how do they charge is it wireless charging do they have a port so it's wireless charging how much bulk do you think the wireless charging adds so that was the argument for it was that for how low profile he wanted it to be basically as far as i can tell he's making a device for himself sure um and what he wants is when he's washing the dishes or otherwise indisposed he wants to be able to quickly note something down before his add brain forgets it.

1:40:35It does look like, so let me, I'm at their site, you can see this and that doesn't actually necessarily mean much because it's not on a finger, but when you see it on the finger, other than this bump, which is your button, I'm assuming, it does look more profile to me as someone who has never worn a smart ring. It does look more low profile than smart rings that I've seen. You have worn a smart ring. It also doesn't look that low profile though. No, especially with the huge button, which looks a little uncomfortable to be honest. I hate rings in general, but like this looks rough. I would not want this.

1:41:11You can even literally see the button itself pushing into his finger. Maybe. I actually can't tell 100%. Is it just a shadow? I can't tell 100%. I'm going to try it. I'm going to at least try it. I am torn on this one. On the one hand, I completely agree. Reparability is based. replaceable batteries are based um it's like all rings with gems so i don't agree with that at so much of a lower price compared to other smart rings and still having a purpose that like him i have add brain and often forget things and being able to just quickly blah blah blah and then not take out my phone could have a benefit at that point though you know why not just wear one of those silly AI pendants.

1:41:58For me, the not thinking about it is a major feature though. Can you just do this with your smartwatch? Yes, but it's another thing. I forgot to put on my watch today. Okay, are you going to remember to put on your smart ring? No, because I'm not going to take it off. I'm going to put it on and then two years later, its battery will die. Got it. Is it water resistant? So that's the only compelling reason for it. is that I never have to, I never have to think about if I have it on me. And it can operate away from the app. So it can store some onboard. And then when it gets back in range of your phone, it can dump everything, which is pretty, so I could be in the pool and I could have an interesting thought and I could be like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1:42:51And then it would sync to my phone later. It's kind of neat. yeah it's kind of neat and at 75 bucks which is more money than a meal but not more money than a meal out with my family i don't know man we buy a lot of stuff that is pretty disposable and pretty useless like i did an amd ultimate tech upgrade for someone earlier this week where once again we have uh are not so much once again but we have a new challenger for lmg king of the funko pops oh um and i'm looking at it going like fun co it's all relative nice it's all relative right like if you're the kind of person who just doesn't spend money on anything that doesn't generate a return you know like if you if you have like a very very kind of strict approach to spending.

1:43:51To be clear, he's not even referencing me. I do spend money on things that don't generate a return. I just mean in general. If you have rules for spending money that do not account for $75 for a thing that is disposable. I don't actually agree. I think you could argue that this could generate a return. Sure. I just mean whatever your rules are. If you don't account for $75 for a disposable thing, then that's totally valid. but maybe i could i just philosophically i disagree though right like i i disagree with non-replaceable battery yeah but then i also wonder i mean airpods have non-replaceable batteries and people have found ways to do it so yes maybe there could be a way to do it i haven't i haven't tried to take one apart yet i don't know if it could be possible kind of doubt it it uses a hearing aid battery apparently yeah all right you sense some trauma it's okay buddy i actually have no idea what you're saying that about you're okay though yeah yeah so it's fine it doesn't matter yeah nice uh all right this was wild over the black friday period okay the console sales war no no don't look don't look oh he's seen it i think i have so number one uh switch playstation playstation yeah okay number two switch you better believe it nintendo number three a big gap and then uh right so i'm gonna say i know the spoiler here but i'm gonna say the one that makes sense yeah you'd think it would be xbox it was not it was not the next playground what i never even i was i was this week years old when i even heard of this thing over the thanksgiving week weekend the xbox series series accounted for just 10 percent of console units sold coming behind the playstation 5 which came in first in part because it was the only console that actually had a sale uh so with 47 the switch 2 in second place which accounted for 24 of all console units sold and the next playground which was responsible for 14 of sales and is a console that and this is from mr david gautier who he would describe as like a 200 microsoft connect that plays mobile games with a 90 year subscription if you want$90 a year subscription$90 a year subscription if you want to play more than five games that's all right I'm going to try that one more time that I would describe like a$200 Microsoft connect that plays mobile games and requires a$90 a year subscription if you want to play more than five games well what okay what is this thing obviously we've sourced one and we want to make a video about it but that's it excuse me the next playground crashed the black friday hardware charts in the u.s okay what like what is this thing i don't get it to be honest i didn't look enough into this i knew the like punchline of this article the active play system for kids and families like did it get bundled with something like crazy or did something happen?

1:47:36Active games that turn your I mean basically it's the Wii then. Yeah you just don't have remotes. Yeah. It's a Wii but they went for the Kinect model instead of the remotes model. When did the Verge review this? December 12th 2025. Oh so no this is today. So they're also like reacting to this. Probably. So what happened? I've never even seen this before. Did it get bundled with something? why are people buying this? Does anyone in chat own one of these? What compelled you to get it? How did you even know it existed? How to Train Your Dragon, Riders of the Skies, Bluey Busta Move? Whoa. Who's behind this company?

1:48:19PlayPass unlocks the full catalog and delivers new content and updates automatically every month. So how much is PlayPass? It was$90 a year?

1:48:29Wait. Oh, man. just show me a price brother what no get show me a price for the subscription learn about play pass okay that's what i clicked where is the price yeah here we go yeah 12 months yeah 90 us dollars a year or about oh what does that work out to like 50 every three months so like 15 bucks a month or 17 bucks a month or something like that love this for my active little kids keeps them moving and so many games to choose from my 60 year old dad even plays with them this is wild yeah it's it's new we it's uh it's someone who figured out that people actually really liked the we yeah and that everyone forgot why everybody liked the we we teamed up with the top family brands hasbro mattel whatever this is paramount Sesame Street.

1:49:22This is wild, dude. Like, who are these people? I started looking into it. It seems like a new company. Go figure. Has investments from some tech people and sports giants and stuff, but it's some split offs from places like Apple. But yeah, it seems like a new company. That's wild. To be able to jump in and just dunk on Xbox like that with Xbox's basically own thing is nuts. Imagine making a successful thing based off of what is effectively a Kinect and it not being Microsoft One of the greatest game console industry failures of all time Let's not call it successful yet I mean, that's fair but they're outselling Xbox Yeah And it's a subscription model so you know they're doing good Well, they're outselling Xbox for Black Friday i should yes say not overall necessarily we don't know uh don cab asa says the connect it sold 25 million units says the connect was not a failure at all the connect was the beginning of the end for the xbox brand according to their current trajectory right now it was bundled my brother It was an attempt to change the paradigm of the Xbox to this like living room, do everything machine.

1:50:52Like apparently this thing. They had huge plans for the Kinect. What it ended up being, which was a weird accessory that you could play some dance games with and a handful of experiences and then kind of a cool camera that people could, you know, hack and do neat stuff with later. what it ultimately ended up being was nothing compared to what microsoft had planned for it they microsoft tacitly admitted failure of the connect when they stopped bundling it with the console was supposed to be an integral part of the xbox and then after what was it a year can't remember what it was they were like i don't know well this isn't working forget it just get rid of it entirely the connect was a failure maladrax in full plane chat said the next had a big in-store display you could play in stores in the US.

1:51:43We played one for a few minutes. So yeah, they just did direct in-store marketing, effectively. And people probably went up and started playing with it and was like, wow, that feels like the Wii again. I would like to take one of those, please, and then bought it. How much is it again? I actually missed that when I was... $200. Introductory price of$200. $200. Wonder what kind of hardware is in it. I mean, we're sourcing one, so we'll answer these questions as best we can. 16 gigs of LPDDR4X, 64 gigs of EMMC storage. The graphics are a male G52MC4. Okay. Just reading the Wikipedia page. 8-core ARM chip.

1:52:33ARM taking over the world, boys. Yep. Oh, good luck, Microsoft. Wild. Oh, yeah, our discussion question here is, with the rumors being that... Sorry? I said male, but apparently it's male. Oh, male, yeah. It's a typo on Wikipedia then. M-A-I-L. Wow, yeah, your dyslexia did not do that to you. Well, do you know why? It's because I read it like six times. I'm not even kidding. That's why I was so confident to be like, actually, no, it's male. Yeah, there you go. so if it's actually Mali someone can go do a successful edit there if they want nice let's go

1:53:20so would you rather have okay hold on our question was yeah if the rumors of Microsoft's next machine being like a thousand dollar plus PC like machine are true what does Xbox even mean anymore I think it means failure yeah i mean i guess it's uh the xbox live stuff game pass yeah which

1:53:49i understand it has like pretty good value i don't want anything to do with it at all and i we were an xbox household oh yeah totally hard yeah and i am from the og gone from there. Alright. We would collect like broken 360s and try to zombie them together into working ones and all this kind of stuff. Like we were in and I want nothing to do with it anymore. Which is like sad. It's not that I'm not even vindictive. They just lost. Okay. And I'm not, I don't love services like that, especially for things like games. I would prefer to own my games. So I'm gonna keep patronizing steam and GOG. Came across this tweet this week.

1:54:35Senator Ruben Gallego has introduced Senate legislation to outlaw surveillance pricing. This video is actually a little bit older, but it features the one and only, the bassist of bass people. Former FTC chair, Lina Khan, who explains the dangers of this shady practice. As usual, something that everyone needs to understand and be vigilant about has the least sexy least interesting name possible but we're going to tell you guys about it anyway i'd actually never heard the term surveillance pricing before um but there's renewed interest in it because the state of new york recently cracked down on it so examples used of surveillance pricing by the video that Ms.

1:55:25Khan pretty competently hosted actually as a video host myself. I think she did a pretty good job. So Princeton Review, she gave this example, charged customers in zip codes with higher percentage Asian populations more for test prep services.

1:55:50Okay. Other tests found or suggested that rideshare apps may charge riders with lower battery life more for the same ride at the same time. San Francisco residents who booked hotels through Expedia were apparently charged up to$500 more per night than people buying the same from less affluent cities. And apparently some internet providers charged the same price for worse internet speeds in poorer neighborhoods. These are, we've looked into it and there is evidence to suggest this is happening slash we have confirmed it now. So surveillance pricing, the concept is that by harvesting your personal data or inferring things about you, companies can charge you more for the same services.

1:56:48Some hypothetical examples of surveillance pricing that we might want to be worried about are a parent with a sick child might be charged more for medicine or a thermometer, or somebody needing to travel for a funeral could be charged more for their airfare because they're being surveilled and they know that you've received an email about funeral arrangements, for instance. So good on New York for doing something to kind of crack down on this, But what is really needed is nationwide slash more worldwide. How about just, you know, in general, we just not do this legislation that makes this just illegal.

1:57:31I know that there is it's a common sort of talking point that regulation is bad. And there are many cases where regulation can be bad. but if we just allow the free market to regulate itself i think it has proven not just suggested but proven that it cannot do it the free market is not like capable people think it can yeah they actually with a straight face say that and it's like actually stupid it's regulate itself towards what is the profit is the problem and that's exactly it that's what they will do which often brings you down to monopolistic practices or like uh there's a term for it i don't remember it but when uh it's an effective monopoly where everyone's price fixing on the same uh kind of level and and something that people don't seem to necessarily understand is that you can't do this based on like a restaurant model or something like that where it's like oh your pricing for your burger is too high i will go down the street there are issues with that when you get into some of these deep modes where you might need hundreds of thousands millions billions of dollars to get into certain industries it's like yeah no you need to do something about that um saunders saunders sc sondra sc um says is this any different than when ebay offers a discount when you look at something or place it in your cart yes the difference is that we're not talking about a discount we are talking about increasing the price based on information about you so it is one thing if you know because you know come back to how it would work in the real world in the real world I could have my stall at the bazaar and you could walk in and you could be with Emma and you could look at a necklace and I could say oh pretty lady buy a pretty necklace for the pretty lady sir sir oh look how good it looks on her and he goes to leave and I go I give you five dollars off that's one thing but it is an entirely separate practice if I have no price tags on anything and I have like my team of hooligans who go out and pick people's wallets and see how much money's in them and then put it back in and then I know when they walk in the store I go, ah, sir!

2:00:08Affluent, sir. Oh, this is good. This necklace,$200. You wouldn't want it to be seen as cheap in front of the pretty lady. It's a completely different, way scummier thing. I like Bizarre Linus. Thank you. bizarre linus is pretty great

2:00:30yeah and i mean they're doing it based off of uh things that will probably offend people more than how much money they have in their wallet as well like that that example of the tutoring or study prep or whatever it was being more expensive in asian neighborhoods like they are they're doing this based off of any data point they can possibly get uh and they will get those data points yeah and they're gonna have more and more and more as we go i mean this is this is one of the things that i you know couldn't necessarily have seen coming um back when i uh back when we were talking about the genetic testing like the example that i always came up with is like it could infect your it could affect your insurance premiums and stuff like that um but this is one that absolutely could be impacted by your predisposition for things.

2:01:19For sure. Like you could have a completely different pricing model for potentially, like this could potentially be a thing. We could figure out the human genome enough that you could have a different pricing model for people that you have scouted out and figured out that they have a predisposition to gambling, for instance. And you wouldn't even need to do that with the, okay, maybe the DNA testing is a bad example of that. But what you could do is you could give someone inflated pricing for things that you know that they could be predisposed to have a condition for. Like, this whole thing is just terrifying.

2:01:57I mean I don't know but I'm looking up like pub med articles talking about uh genetic influences on gambling uh it seems to be like relatively figured out that there is definitely genetic influences on addiction apparently there's genetic influences on your um predisposition to cheating in relationships like there is i'm not gonna go as far as to say free will is not a thing but like there's a lot of influences Are we just a bucket of chemicals and electrical impulses? Is that all I am to you? There is definitely a lot of that chemical stuff going on. Yeah. I think you've, yeah, I don't know. I don't, I think you've got some agency, but I do think there's a lot of influences all the time from various things, and it might not be very clear where those influences are coming from, and it can be extremely difficult to resist them.

2:02:49Eggnog in April says, there's a genetic predisposition on your mom. Nice. based comeback. Okay, moving on. Let's get far away from things we deeply don't understand. Okay. Noctua and Prusa Research have introduced 3D printing filaments in signature Noctua colors. Heck yeah. Oh, for crying out loud. All right. I saw the photo for this. Thought it was fake. That's all I have to say about that? Heck yeah. Now you too can print in brown. McDonald's removes AI-generated ad after backlash. This is an amazing story. McDonald's in the Netherlands put out a festive AI - You can call it festive, I guess.

2:03:36AI-generated holiday ad calling Christmas the most terrible time of the year, which they elaborated on in a statement that it was meant to highlight the stressful moments during Christmas in the Netherlands. The ad features a compilation of unrealistic Christmas events going wrong, like opening your tree and the branches flinging you out of your front window, or Santa and his reindeer causing a traffic jam. Their solution? Wait till January in a McDonald's. The online criticism mostly regarded the use of AI slop replacing genuine human work. Melanie Bridge, the CEO of the studio behind the ad, however, clapped back and said, It's about expanding the toolbox.

2:04:18The vision, the taste, the leadership, that will always be human. and further defended their ad, claiming the hours that went into this job far exceeded a traditional shoot. Why then? Why? Ah! 10 people, five weeks full-time. Discussion question. Is AI the solution to accomplishing shoots like this with limited resources? If the AI shots didn't include people, would that make it more acceptable? Okay, so first up, five weeks full-time would not be nearly enough to do that shoot with people because what about all the extras like what about all of the human actors like never mind the editors and storyboarders and director and camera operators 10 people five weeks full time yeah i know still 10 people five weeks full time bullshit okay yeah sure i i thought you were saying there was five weeks full time of total hours put in oh no no sorry 10 times that no like oh with every with all the logistics involved with that many shots I can tell you as someone who does video things there's no way that they could make that exact commercial Like there there would have had to be like CGI work like no, there's no way absolutely Freaking no way.

2:05:33Well, they're not saying making that exact video. They're saying making a 44 second McDonald's ad Sure, but like no like that was specifically their point, okay I'm not trying to defend them. I'm just saying they weren't saying they they would make this exact far exceeded a traditional shoot okay so what's their okay so what's their defense then that they paid more labor hours than they would have they're trying to say better commercial that they didn't use it to like cut the effort i guess which like what a whiff if that's the case because what was the benefit it doesn't look particularly good in my opinion yeah i mean i gotta be honest with you as far as like commercials go i actually thought it was kind of cute like i i uh i don't look at it and go this this commercial is so bad i couldn't watch it there are definitely things that they did in this that are pretty normal for commercials like this like the cookie talking in the oven yeah there's like for sure campaigns that have had that and that would be very expensive to do and definitely take more time like you were saying I don't know man I can also fully understand why people are mad about it because there is definitely stuff that doesn't look professional like the way the cat jumps on the tree and the physics are completely wrong like it yeah it sucks uh yeah Am I just...

2:07:14Have I just so... Have I just given up to the point where I'm accepting this garbage? Is that what's happening? There was parts of this that was just so unnecessarily AI, which is strange. I'm wondering if the studio that did it is like an AI studio and they're shoehorning it into things? Because there's stuff here that like... it's just so unnecessary like the cookie okay i can understand you like saving a bunch of time by having ai animate a talking cookie instead of doing it yourself but then man there's a lot of stuff that's just why if you just did it normally it would have looked better and taken less time sick like uh yeah this is very weird yeah it's a this is a tough one i it's very clear that this is going to happen.

2:08:12I am honestly surprised that McDonald's even pulled it down, though.

2:08:20Like, Coke did one last year, and then their new one, they did it again. They just didn't have humans in it, which is, like, completely missing the point. And I don't think, is anyone even mad about Coke's this year? I'm not sure.

2:08:41let's see Tim's got an interesting take I just don't care it's an ad I'm never going to watch the ad anyway nice nice okay I mean I think people might not like it that much one of the top comments on the video with 22 ,000 upvotes is the most profitable commercial in Pepsi's history

2:09:06that's pretty good that's pretty good but it's also pretty um it also got 1.6 million views it's also pretty echo chambery yeah for sure like there's a there it's it's it's been it's been interesting you know over the last let's say week or two seeing how self-important some communities can think that they are and how influential they might think that they are like you know you look at reddit for instance something can front page reddit you know with with tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of upvotes but what are the odds like think about it what are the odds if you went to the park by your house and talked to somebody there that they didn't have any idea what the heck is going on.

2:09:58That they would have any idea about any of it. Yeah, it's... Functionally zero. As someone who is, tries to not be, but is a little bit too chronically online, I have to remind myself of this sometimes. And I had a very recent conversation where someone was talking about how something is like such a hot button issue and you have to be careful about it. And I was like, I don't think so with practically anyone unless you are extremely chronically online. Like a perfect example. have no idea what you're talking about. Like a perfect example of that would be like the Harry Potter potter thing yeah like if you're chronically online and especially if you exist within certain communities or counter communities yes it's like you'll know about it it's like a like major like like it's a culture war thing right but you know if i if i if one of the the kids of one of my kids friends comes over and i'm like oh what do you think of harry potter they're just like oh i love harry potter like they don't know about any of that no clue what's going on you know i kid says they like harry potter they're like oh yeah harry potter you know the lightning bolt thing you know with the scar right like they don't they don't care they don't know they don't care yeah um there's other things going on they got they got other things to care about and uh it's interesting yeah angry panda pc says but i am important and i agree i agree you're important everyone's important but not everyone is important to everyone else here's here's another weird thing even if you are chronically online these days it doesn't even necessarily matter that much because your feeds are so heavily algorithmic that you probably still are out of the loop on so many things because like i remember someone the there was a thread on reddit recently uh about how YouTube unlisted all of their rewinds.

2:11:51Yeah. And it's like, yeah, I remember being on YouTube back in the day. And like, if there was something big happening on YouTube, as someone who went to YouTube, you would just know that. But now we were talking before the show, there was a creator in our space with over a million subscribers that neither of us had ever heard of. Yeah. because they made a type of content in our space that we just wouldn't happen to come across alissa jean puppy says if a person behind a franchise spends all her money on wanting to stop making me exist i think boycotting is really the least you could do my point we're not saying anything my point wasn't what people should or shouldn't do my point was that they don't know yes that is the only point you can't care about something that you literally don't know yeah and And I think that we often live in echo chambers and in communities where the issues that are very important to us, like, oh, man, like what would be what would be an example that would be like like a really tech community?

2:12:51Like, OK, what percentage of people if you went to the mall, right, and you went and talked to somebody, what percentage of people there would know that DDR memory is expensive? Yeah. And the impact of that on the world. Of the ones who knew what percentage of them would be impacted. Like out of computer enthusiasm. So you've got your total population, right? Then you've got your like tech enthusiast bubble. And then within that bubble, you've got the people who are actually shopping for a new computer right now. Who are actually spending money right now. And then like that's it. It's this tiny little fraction.

2:13:28and um and so yeah there's people who are very mad who are following this whole ai thing and particularly you know generative ai video and and the out of that the people who sort of care about the replacement of labor of of the you know the the uh the cinematographers and the actors and the writers and all the people who would have otherwise worked on this uh and i think it's just like yeah you you could probably easily find what what did that video what did that top comment have like 20 000 to 22 000 upvotes yeah those 22 000 people they matter those are living breathing souls with blood coursing through their veins they're also an incredibly tiny percentage of the global population uh alissa jean puppy hopefully i said that right um said in flow plane chat okay but jk rowling is all over the news about that at least in the uk which is just another version she's not over here because she's not from over here she's from over there and she's not trying to influence legislation over here and we're aware because we're terminally online yeah uh but in in but you've got a geographical filter we're not trying then you've got to keeps up with the news filter then you've got a cares about this issue filter and then you've got to even remembers it filter there's just there's there's so many layers until So you get down to what can be a very large number of people.

2:14:57Especially over the last like decent amount of years. There's been a lot of difficulty going around. And yeah, people might be struggling to survive at all themselves. And the issues that applied very directly to them is going to be what's important to them. When they're fighting for survival all the time, they have to deal with their own problems, right? They have to put their mask on first. and it's it's tough but like Kato-esque asks so then do people outside the US think Elon Musk is great then a lot of people think Elon Musk is pretty great that's the whole point we're trying to make don't care at all or just don't care at all yeah yes the answer is yes I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news incredible amount of people in the world that don't even know who he is yes that's a thing i know it seems crazy right in our tech sphere right how could anyone in the tech sphere not have heard of the techno king as he self-proclaimed himself to be a number of years back right in d260 said there are idiots through the whole world we're not saying they're idiots no No, that's not what we're saying at all.

2:16:18Some of them might be. The fact is that education is a problem? No. No, that's not what we're saying at all. We're saying that there's a whole wide world out there with many, many interests and many, many priorities and not everybody shares them. And in this algorithmically curated world that we live in. You might literally just never see it. And we may, and that is in a lot of ways by design on the platforms. Like what percentage of subreddits that exist do you imagine you've been personally exposed to? Like, dude, I've been kind of hooked on r slash all over the last like week. I try not to get too into the Reddit black hole.

2:17:00R slash what? All. Oh. Just like, just like, and it's just like, it is realistically like a handful. Am I the asshole?

2:17:12uh pc mr shows up there every once in a while comics shows up a fair bit there's like it's probably over the span of a week several dozen subreddits that contribute to the majority of the like vastly uploaded or upvoted content on the site but there are what what are what is it up to tens of thousands hundreds of thousands are we at millions of subreddits how many subreddits are there 3.8 million what percentage of them as of 11 months ago 3.8 million as of 11 months ago so and yeah len len oh or however i pronounce this in flow plane chat says y 'all just got to ignore this stuff. I never get to see it.

2:18:04I'm so happy. I don't have to. My feed is just cool stuff and DIY. And that's also like, it is exactly our point for people that are terminally online. It is somewhat surprising to hear that a ton of people have recognized that being constantly dialed into everything that is happening in the world and how the fact that the further we move away from local news and we move closer to global news and like back in the day, you can have a newspaper that's talking about like the fair that's happening in town. So there isn't going to be all that much really horrible things because you're centralized to a smaller area.

2:18:38That was a different kind of bubble. It was a more geographical bubble. Yeah. When you're now looking at more global news and you look at the news that's going to float to the top, it's going to be the most rage baiting, crazy, horrible things possible because that's what's going to get more views. So you're only going to get news about all of the most horrible possible things happening. And it's really bad in a lot of ways for your brain. That doesn't mean that not being that dialed in is, for example, an education problem or an ignorance problem or being stupid. I mean, it's literally an ignorance problem, but maybe not a problem.

2:19:10It literally is ignorance. In a negative way. Yeah. It might be ignorance, but not necessarily an ignorance problem to certain people. They don't want to be exposed to that pipeline of extreme constant negativity because it can be bad for you. Or it's just, you know, they got other stuff going on. I76969Hack says people should be informed. Noble sentiment. How many things do you not know about? You're speaking English. Do you know everything that's happening in China right now? I don't. Like, I know Hassan's Billy Billy stream got turned off. Sure. Do you know, like, yeah. I don't know. There's so many layers to that and like your level of knowledge does not mean that everyone else's level of knowledge is inferior it's there are an incredible amount of things that i know nothing about that i'm sure are incredibly important and i have no clue yeah and uh again like we're not trying to argue that that's the way it should be that ain't the argument we're just pointing out that that is how it is not everyone cares about ai or ai slop or yeah dude the amount of people that are just totally ignoring and don't care about that at all super high very high and the number of people who are like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah let's go also very high yes and that is fact um sorry yeah am i gonna have to do a shirt over this sorry ai is a thing like i

2:20:57because i'll do a shirt i don't mind i could do trust me bro ai is a thing hashtag app block is piracy. We'll combine all the scandals. It's like, sorry, the things that you do know are probably less important than the myriads of things that you don't. Ooh. Wow, that's a... Okay, in other news, what the heck is this? Facebook and malware bytes, okay? I recorded this on my computer Okay I Here we go So I got my OBS interface here I got this email From Facebook And I was a little irritated Wow this quality though One moment please It's actually not just my eyes this time There we go Right right right So I was told that a post from 2015 was flagged for copyright infringement.

2:22:03Okay, so I clicked through and I made my way over to our... Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Right, right, right, right, right. Hold on. Okay, let's get the story right. So I got an email from Facebook asking me about some feature. And I was trying to figure out how to turn off emails from Facebook about all their page management nonsense. There was no unsubscribe. There was no... Because I don't want to block every email because occasionally, because it's for the page manager email. Occasionally, they might send me something about my payment method being wrong or something. So I can't just block emails from Facebook.

2:22:36So I'm like, okay, there's no way to unsubscribe to this. There's no link to the interface where I can change my contact settings. So I clicked through to my Facebook page to try to figure out where the heck in the interface I was supposed to disable this stupid email notifying me of some stupid feature that I don't care about. The first thing that came up was that I had a copyright claim against a post from 10 years ago. Okay, so here we go. All right, so let's watch this. Here's what happened so far. No one else can see your post because it was reported for copyright. Okay, so here are my options.

2:23:18Oh yeah, I went back to the beginning. No one else can see your post because it was reported for copyright infringement. um this is the post lifetime malware bytes for 20 on amazon us go go go and it's a link to a tweet okay i don't see how that could infringe on anyone's copyright that actually sounds awesome i kind of wish i did that 10 years ago who cares so i click it i'm like okay so it's a link to an amazon search for malware bytes yeah okay so i click continue who could possibly care about this malwarebytes corporate holdco or their authorized representative managed to find a post from 10 years ago well they crawled it well right but why who cares and also what are you talking about how does it infringe your copyright okay so anyway we don't allow content that whatever so i can accept the decision i can submit an appeal or i can contact malwarebytes corporate holdco i think i'm about to dox malwarebytes corporate holdco so yeah there's their email address and phone number anyway submit an appeal nothing happens go to form go to form go to form hello it doesn't open another window nothing it doesn't do anything else go to form strategic bugs i like it what the heck is this what is going on right now so here's the here's the email from facebook how do i start a fan challenge blah blah blah blah blah no unsubscribe i'm fairly certain that this email is illegal in canada like what is it what is it can spam again there is no i have not opted into this i went into my facebook notification settings later actually yeah i think it was after i turned off the screen recording i have everything that i can find turned off and they sent me this bullshit from a stupid like malware bites claiming copyright infringement that i can't appeal i don't even care i don't need a 10 year old post on facebook it's just how is this so broken no i'm not getting phished it goes it goes to actual facebook what the heck that's all that's all i have to say about that i was just i was in between rounds at my badminton ladder going through my email like i was like what is this i don't know how to deal with this right now that's very annoying what i do know how to deal with is a big shout out to the ltt forum folding team we had a record-breaking event folding month eight in total the team produced over 230 billion points.

2:26:02That's nearly three times last year's total. We had 369 participants. Nice. And user Stobin demolished the previous record of 6 billion points and earned 112 billion points. I don't know exactly what that means. Oh, the previous record was 6 and it was 112. Wow. Special thanks to Livin, MrChukote. Yeah, Pancras. Yeah. Yeah. Sulame, Jawa Juice, Brick Cider, Dog Witch, and an anonymous forum member for donating a total of 55 prizes to the event. Additionally, 20 participants will be walking away with a$100 LTT store gift card. Justin Miller, a scientist from the Bowman Lab at the University of Pennsylvania, was very impressed by the total simulation time that the LTT, or that Folding at Home, contributed of 8.6 milliseconds during November.

2:26:52He said, that sounds like a small amount of time, but that is a ton for the types of motions that we like to study and roughly two to three orders of magnitude more than most simulation focused papers tend to have on their own. Nice. So massive thank you to everyone who participated. The final rankings and Justin's complete summary can be found in the final blog at, well, this link. Dan, do you want to throw the link in the various chats? But basically here. That's awesome. Yeah, super cool. Heck yeah, folding month. And I think we've got just one more topic before we get to after dark the world's first flying car here it is well it's a flying car the world's first flying car is now being handmade in california and this right here see all the dust and see all like the air being blown up is exactly why i think i'm convinced that this is um pardon the pun never going to take off.

2:27:52Yeah, I mean, that's just been the argument, you know. Aleph Aeronautics, a US startup, has started building its electric flying car the Model A by hand in California, becoming the first company to put a drive-and-fly car into production. The flying car can drive on regular roads and can take off vertically to fly with around a 220 mile driving and 110 mile flying range. apparently the startup has already received 3 500 pre-orders which is a lot considering that the flying car is expected to start at around 300 000 but there are a couple of small problems that are not included in our notes that are kind of hilarious as cool as it would be to dunk on the cyber truck by literally flying over it it looks so sketchy have you watched this yes i have I just watched it.

2:28:48It looks so sketchy. And the wheels are so thin.

2:28:56It's like, oh, man. I feel like they just put like a fiberglass frame on a high carrying capacity drone. A detail that was overlooked is that at this time, it can only take off from and land at airports. So like, what is the f***ing point of it?

2:29:24The whole idea behind flying car, like the whole connotation of car is that you park it at your house and you like drive it to work or you go get groceries and you like park at your house again. You can drive to the airport and then not like have to get out and get into a plane. and you can drive to the airport and then just leave and take off from the airport. That sounds pretty great. You can drive 220 miles with a 110 mile flight range. Wow, so it's only half the... That's actually... That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Less than a year later. I haven't seen it drive. Have you seen it drive? Is there a video of it driving?

2:30:09I've only seen it somewhat sketchily fly. I don't think I've seen it drive. As soon as I found out that it's slow, has crappy range, is expensive, has all the issues of any other personal flying vehicles, with the big one being, I forget what it's called, washout or something like that. Basically, the displacement of air that they need is so big, and the propellers that they can accommodate for any kind of VTOL functionality are so small that they have this like tiny cone that basically blows away anything anywhere near them. Like there is, with the laws of physics being what they are, as far as I can tell, no reasonable path to driving one of these from your front driveway to your parking lot at work.

2:31:04They would blow so much crap around on the parking lot that you'd be denting and scratching everyone's car that you're anywhere near people would hate it they're so loud um much larger propellers can help with the high-pitched noise and all of that but you still have to deal with all that air displacement in order to lift this like hundreds of pounds vehicle plus whatever people and cargo that you want to carry in it like it's just it's just not going or to happen you could buy a really nice really sweet car to drive to the airport and then get in your own just like experimental craft that thing looks pretty sick what's the side impact crash rating on this flying car for sure just nothing the crumples is you like come on you are expected to crumple your bones yeah It's just gonna absorb the impact.

2:32:04It's just gonna hit the batteries. Yeah, sure. Like, like, come on. Very fun. Very cool. Very good. Looks cool. They go out of their way, it seems, to make it really hard to see how skinny chicken these tires are. Dude, they're so narrow.

2:32:25Yeah, you can see them there. They look like wheelbarrow tires. Yeah, yeah. oh my gosh yeah so this is damn dude you said they got pre-orders? apparently that's the craziest part to me working on this is cool I actually have no issue with that at all so we just had a huge long conversation with the audience about ignorance remember? not everybody is an engineer and a lot of people would think oh well I forget what body they got approval from but they they like are making progress to this being a product that they actually ship um and so if i heard that they got their yeah airworthiness certification from the faa they got an airworthiness certification that's huge that's huge right so i'd be like oh yeah flying car i see this picture i go i mean what yeah 300 grand i mean that's that's only that's only 10 times the price of a car that doesn't fly right that's so many more degrees of freedom that's so good honestly if they just never released this video i feel like they'd do better well they've been doing pretty good up till now they got their pre-orders and yeah not everybody not everybody's an engineer so yeah i could see people pre-ordering it if they just don't do the math like it wasn't until for me too that i came across like a really good article i wish i could find it so that I could bring it up.

2:33:57I read it and then I like kind of lost it and then I never saw it again. But it was a really good article that basically kind of walked me through the math of how this is just like kind of impossible. And they're like, at the end of it, they're like, look, don't short it because, you know, you can't stay, they'll stay irrational longer than you'll stay solvent or whatever. Like I'm not saying you should like short these companies and try and make a bunch of money on their downfall or whatever. I'm just saying don't invest in them. Don't pre-order this stuff because this ain't happening this is not happening i'm like oh okay bummer because that'd be awesome like i'd be so down i i hope that you know they got their their flight worthiness thing whatever i hope that it ends up being awesome because like why not yeah just that video wasn't awesome does not make it look good but hey i mean all power to him good luck oh cool hilarious not fun is that it after dark i think it's time for after dark nice mr daniel besser hit us let me just get the banner and the button oh yeah not not financial advice just throwing that out there i always gotta throw that out there okay let's see what we've got today hey dudes aside from youtube which single company's sudden shutdown would have the most immediate detrimental impact on lmg which would be the most beneficial a beneficial shutdown i don't know if there's anyone we're all about kind of we're all about partnerships i don't think there's anyone that i would look at and go yeah them shutting down would be highly beneficial to us would be beneficial i usually see the like the competitor maybe but i don't really see us as having competitors in a traditional sense i usually see especially the space we're in not all spaces but the space we're in is rising tide lifts all ships yeah me too i think the more people that are interested in tech will help all of us and if other people in the tech space are making good content i think that will help us not hurt us yeah i've always seen it that way i mean this is really interesting so that the timing of the release of that um that interview that i did with john um i was talking in the interview about how our our viewership has kind of struggled lately right but i did that interview a couple of months ago and so that obviously there's a ton of comments on the interview with people giving me their brilliant ideas for what i can do to fix my channel or how talking about how um you know yeah it's all because uh you know alex and andy are gone or whatever the case may be right um but what people don't bother to do is check and see if there's any truth whatsoever to their hypothesis and to be clear i'm not saying that you know i wouldn't that i don't love working with alex and andy or whatever but we've actually had a nice little resurgence lately and we are back to the kinds of numbers that we were doing you know earlier this year slash you know before the recent dip like in fact we're quite a bit higher than that now we're tracking to do probably more like 80 million views for december it looks like so that's back up at a level that's sort of closer to sort of november of last year like there tends to be kind of there's a seasonality to it to a degree yes right so we are we are higher than probably in the in the next month will be higher than probably about eyeballing this 70 to 70 percent of the months of the past like 18 um so thank you for your you know advice and your analysis of you know why lmg is failing or whatever the case may be but we're not failing and a big part of why we don't fail is we are constantly looking inward looking outward figuring out what it is that we need to do differently.

2:38:04How can we generate excitement? How can we elevate our content? How can we optimize our processes? And the answers are always going to be different in an ever-changing world that is competitive, even if I don't see other YouTubers or other media outlets as competitors. Does that make sense? Yeah. And we've had great people leave, and we will have great people leave and we will have great people join yes and then we are a business in constant flux just like every single other business and we will have different eras because there will be different people here at different times and like Taylor Swift I may do a tour about my eras you might you might not and this is all extremely normal yep and that's okay everything is a normal thing that is happening right now and and you know what's another normal thing for there to be times of unusual strife yeah that's also normal even if it is abnormal and so there will be times of abnormality there will be future times when you know what we might hire a lot.

2:39:19There will be future times when we might have a lot of turnover. There will be future times when our content is not performing well. And there will be future times when our content is performing really well. And all of that is just part of the natural ebbs and flows of running a business in a fast, fast, fast changing world. Maybe Steam will release or Valve will release a bunch of hardware all at once. Yeah, that was nice. Let's go. What a Christmas present that was for us yeah uh you know it was it was encouraging right you know because it's not like i totally was it's not like i'm immune to you know feeling a lack of confidence sometimes right like yeah you know i see the content not performing i go like do i even do i even got this anymore you know like i'm always asking myself that and then someone does me the the like bare minimumist favor of releasing some hardware that's interesting and we get like what four million views on one of them and like four and a half on the other, three and a half and four and a half.

2:40:183.8 and 4.8 right now. Yeah, something like that. And I'm just like, oh, okay, no, no. I still do know how to do this. I did those videos in like two hours each. Just the Steam Machine Won't Cost What You Think got 2.6. Yeah. Like. It was a good video. It's just cool, interesting stuff. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think, not just I, I think we've still got it. I do think that we have, I mean, you guys were even talking about this before we started WAN shows, just looking at some of the process bloat and stuff? We have, yeah. We have problems. There's going to need to be some work done on kind of addressing how things flow through the company.

2:41:00I think so. And stuff. And it's just, you know, we've existed for so many years at this point and we've kind of always just built. there hasn't really been a lot of uh removing things cutting back on certain things trying to see hey if we cut out a bunch of processes here what what would happen yeah uh because sometimes like there's there's process that was originally designed to help solve problems which due to misuse or rot or improper initial creation actually just creates more problems creates more cycles for people have to do especially cycles that suck and they don't want to do ever that is like absolutely a thing that happens so yeah we have we have things to address but we're working on it and that's normal especially as far as my understanding goes when companies get to around this size yeah like this ends up being a major problem when companies get around the hundred plus ish size which is exactly where we're at everything changes yeah so this all makes sense and there will continue to be change um someone asked uh here we go capture the bomb asks speaking of ebbs and flows how's the badminton club doing i don't know you tell me here's a live feed okay that looks pretty good to me got some got some people playing some badminton all up in this how embarrassing would it be to just biff right now no they'll be fine they're solid solid players actually it's a good club um yeah no it's this is this is one of those ones where like it was a passion project that like you know was never really like intended to make money and it's still it's it's still a little more complicated than like yeah um you know yo i'm making money sees so your world i hope you're ready for me now gather round yeah you know like uh it's not quite that right but it's i wish it was a little bit taller yeah yeah well that that yes but oh i honestly wasn't even memeing that i just uh no no no well that's the different artist different song i was i was humpty dance like totally different like that song it's fine okay the point is that yeah we kind of accidentally we kind of accidentally a a good sports facility that's actually doing really well like there's probably accidentally a successful business yeah there's probably a solid like 60 people in there right now there's people in the concession uh there's some people hanging out in the lounge there's people in the retail shop is the concession like a thing yet uh-uh but we do have those cool like japanese style like hot food those are there yeah okay cool i mean that's nice yeah so smash champs will use them except when there's whale land yeah sure yeah is there is there any progress on having an actual concession no okay yeah the the managers feel extremely strongly that we need to have a steam room and a sauna i'm really not sure that i agree that's that important but we also want to put in some more showers we only have a couple right now showers i could see we should we should add more um i think that a steam room and sauna is a very optional thing for a badminton club but yeah i basically told them look you're allowed to put it in as long as it doesn't cost any of our floor area if you don't use up floor plate then like if you can put them above the showers at the back or something like that i'm open to it but they pitched me like splitting up the gym and putting that at the back and putting the like sauna steam room shower stuff like upstairs i'm It's like, no, we are not doing that.

2:44:50A gym is a way more relevant thing to a badminton club than that. I can see people wanting to do sauna. Doing sauna after physical activity is pretty sick. Sure. But yeah, if you just try to make it additive if possible. Also, the concession will help money for sure. Yes. No, actually. A place where people are constantly exercising. I heard that other clubs that have tried to do them, it's been break even at best. So we may be better off. I think we get a pretty narrow margin on those vending machines, but we may actually be better off with the vending machines. So TBD. Oh, whoops, I bumped that.

2:45:29Interesting. I do know, as far as my understanding goes, you usually have to make the concession like actually pretty good. And then it ends up also getting things like Uber Eats orders. Interesting. Because there's, it's actually very rare that you can get like actually pretty well, like balanced meals on Uber Eats. So like, uh, Gold's Gym in Langley has like a, uh, um. Protein shake. Yeah. And also some like wraps and stuff, but they're like more protein heavy. Oh, that's cool. They don't have high sugar counts and all that other kind of stuff. Um, so like if you did like, oh, it's a badminton gym.

2:46:08So there's things that like, you know. We could do a smash burger.

2:46:15i think that's pretty far from the point i was trying to make but it's great for the branding it is great for the branding it is absolutely like something i mean i would personally appreciate i don't know if this is the right fit for smash chance probably not necessarily but i think it maybe should be is if you had like a protein shake kind of thing and it had like five grams creatine i think that would be sick it's hard to get booster juice does it but there aren't that many other places that do interesting um so like i think there are ways to make it make sense but i think you have to kind of open up the interest in that where it's not necessarily just the the badminton club that would be interested in it yeah i'd be down for that there would be the thing is like you have to find someone to kind of spearhead that right and right now we're just we're busy figuring out how to run a sports facility.

2:47:09We haven't even been open to the pub. We haven't even been, we've been open a year, but we haven't been taking money for a year. So we've been like soft open, but our grand opening was less than a year ago. So we still, we still have a lot of little things to figure out.

2:47:25Yeah, I realized, sorry, the numbers I was showing before didn't look like we were tracking up that much, but last 30 days, 85 million. Yeah. So that's actually like quite, quite up there with our top months over the last 1875 it's like almost on par with like august 2024 so we're we're tracking back up and we'll track back down yep and that's okay it's okay we'll survive we will survive oh as long as i know how to tech i know we'll stay alive uh dan hit me hello my parasocial friends oh hi there i'm not a float plane subscriber because i already have two similar subscriptions and my brain refuses to let me have another.

2:48:08Do any of you have arbitrary rules like this? Oh, tons. I don't think that's arbitrary. I think limiting the number of subscriptions you have is totally fair. Totally not arbitrary. I mean the two, I guess, is an arbitrary number but I think two is a pretty good number. Yeah, it seems pretty reasonable to me. Yeah, it seems pretty reasonable to me. I really don't. I probably have huh I think I have one I'm not even trying to flex you have Netflix? nope no Netflix oh that's right you ditched it a while back long time ago what do you have then? YouTube oh yeah just YouTube Premium yep okay

2:48:54my company got hacked last month through a zero day exploit in Centerstack bummer It looks like we paid the ransom for the encryption key. Have you guys known anyone who has paid? What is the process? I haven't. I actually don't.

2:49:15Yeah, right. Yeah, good call. Who's there? Scammers. F*** you, man! Get out of here! No! I've been here for months! yeah sorry i don't know anything about the process uh bummer sorry to hear that

2:49:40okay hi lld linus do you still daily drive a 7900 xtx what's your take on where rdna3 is headed after being missing in wednesday's red wednesday's redstone announcement i mean this is kind of classic amd i think for the most part they do their best to support their older products but like they are a much smaller company than nvidia still even after all the success that they've had on the cpu and the and the apu side i'm not surprised by it the 7900 xt just does not have the neural processing to do what they would want it to do with fsr redstone as far as i can tell i'd love to be wrong but it just doesn't really seem like it and yes i'm still daily driving it in my pc upstairs but i've actually been doing uh more than half of my gaming on my pc downstairs because that's like where my kids are usually sitting and yvonne doesn't game so i would either be sitting by myself upstairs uh or if i was streaming i would be upstairs but i haven't streamed in like forever so um yes it's still in my in my main machine but i haven't been gaming on it as my like primary card for a little while all right lld my partner and i are combining our skills to go into business together.

2:50:58My question for Linus is, was there anything you should have discussed with Yvonne before working together? Oh yeah. I think something that we, even to this day, are not perfectly aligned on is where's the end point? What is the target we're trying to hit? And I think that having that agreement, especially if you're going into business with, it sounds like a romantic partner, having that agreement in place is going to be critical to maintaining harmony in your relationship. Because if one of you has the goal of, you know, achieving a better work-life balance by running your own business and being able to set your own hours, and one of you has the goal of conquering the world and taking, you know, the business sphere by storm, then it's going to be hard to agree when you've achieved success because you both have completely different goals.

2:52:07And talk about that.

2:52:15Mary Mary, Linus, Luke, and Dan. Hey, Mary Mary Pippin. Yeah. I like that. What about Second Mary? Lord of the Rings is based. I'm looking to... Wow, hot take there, Luke.

2:52:35I'm bringing those spicy ones. You're really going to piss off a lot of the community with that one. No offense, but I thought the Lord of the Rings was pretty okay.

2:52:46I'm looking to introduce my mother to a new video game this holiday season. any recommendations with good story that would be easy to learn for the elderly

2:53:00i feel like games are getting harder not easier stardew valley animal crossing and i'm not typecasting because it's grandma those are just like animal crossing in particular i know was widely accepted by a non-gaming audience. I think Stardew Valley is also a potentially lower lift in regards to non-gaming audience. Outside of that, I think very narrative-heavy games. If you try to think of the types of games where people would enjoy chilling on the couch while you play because it's fun to watch and then you pair that with they're not mechanically overly difficult. I suspect that would work pretty well.

2:53:49Promortis says Guitar Hero. Yeah, how about not? Bob said Elder Scrolls Daggerfall, which is... Get out. Yeah, not going to go super well. Pencraft's a good suggestion. Telltale Games. Just a bunch of different Telltale Games are all probably decent. If there's something in the Telltale Games universe that fits their fancy, then that might be a good way to go. i mean there's there's so much you can turn the enemies off

2:54:20can you actually just turn them off yeah yeah that would be that would be fun uh the last one i have for you today is hi lld is there any early stage or emerging tech you're particularly excited about i mean the emerging tech is like all robotics and ai right like that's kind of the the big AR glasses. Um, yeah, AR glasses are pretty cool. I, oh, I don't know if the thing I tried today was embargoed, but it was cool. Neat. I, uh, I am scared about the current direction of AR glasses, but I'm hoping more AI. So, well, yeah. And the, the people who are winning right now, um, but I'm hoping that, you know, yeah, it's like actually kind of weird.

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2:58:46Is that a Canadian promo? Because I'm looking at specifically the America. Well, I don't know any America retailers that are not Newegg, so it'd be hard for me to check. But if they still had smaller retailers, then I pretty much guarantee that while supplies last, they would have stock of the promo because Newegg did run out of them and then they did restock them. So they have a cost, right? Like Intel has to buy more copies of these games. so they don't just run them forever. Yeah, that makes sense. And you know what else doesn't run forever? This show. That's a good guess. We'll see you again next week.

2:59:27Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye.

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