Piracy Is Dangerous And Harmful - WAN Show October 10, 2025

41:16Dan guide us guide us back to the path so either they figure it out which I don't think they will or I hope it dies and Linux gets easier to use for more people the community grows and things keep getting better why not both I'm down with both it's not gonna happen yeah I know I'm totally down with both though I actually just kind of like normally like Windows I just don't anymore I like Windows is fine I'm so excited for my steam machine. Do you know about my steam machine? Not at all. Do you remember the very low number of steam? Like I remember seeing all of them on one table at CES. Built by valve.

41:56No, no, no, not the like OEM, like stupid alienware ones or whatever. Do you remember the valve steam machine? The like reference design? I remember it. I don't think I got to see that in person. I just saw the, uh, the vendor ones. uh steam machine here we go images i'm talking about this one oh yeah no i i remember it for sure i just haven't seen it in person i got one you got one that's actually cool i never got one back then i wasn't cool enough or important enough does it like boot into an environment i mean oh i i don't know i don't think the storage is still in it or anything i can go get it you want to see it yeah okay all right stall the people okay do a sponsor do a sponsor spot i always have to do it sure no problem can i just do all of them i don't know okay sure are you ready dad yeah that's the first time i've ever been in you are are you ready for vessie do you want to do that first yeah you just do them normally people just start do i just i just start talking your job sounds so hard that's tough okay it's spooky season now but one thing you don't have to be scared of is the rain.

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44:26They also have other security features designed to help lock your info down, like advanced phishing protection, tracker blocking, email aliases, and more. And if you think switching over will be a hassle, their migration tool can transfer emails, calendars, contacts with just a few clicks. So sign up for free today by clicking our link in the description or by going to proton.me slash wan. W-A-N. Nicely done. I'm back. Let's see it. Well, there's some old ports. Oh, hold on. I'm peeking. I don't have pants on down here. Pants to yourself, Luke. I've seen that before. Oh. Ooh. Oh, it's this face.

45:11I'm going to make, uh, not a joke. That is actually way bigger than I was expecting it to be. I don't know how to make that not sexual. Oh, it's going to be. But I thought it was like a Nvidia Shield size. So it's got like a brushed. That is handmade, isn't it? plastic front uh unfortunately it's been through some hard times so this little spot on the front is is dented i'm afraid uh all ventilation down this side the parts dude all ventilation down this side i believe the top too oh yep tons of ventilation um it was a different time and these vent holes are for, you can actually see here, for the CPU socket or for the CPU area.

45:59Oh, those ports on the GPU. They're above the socket, which means that the GPU is actually kinda gonna starve for airflow. So I think there's gonna be some necessary modifications in order to put a more... I don't remember that card having a yellow... Modern system here. Zotac probably would be my guess. And then, yeah, to Luke's point, the back this must be the original hardware that was in it i i actually don't know that for sure uh but it's it's it's gotta be and then my understanding is that this is not like damage that happened at some point i think this was how they marked the serial of which one it was um so there's there's 300 holes here um and did how many units did they make did they make 300 units i actually i actually don't know how many they made jean-luc in full plane chat said careful the drilled hole tells valve which serial number you have oh okay yeah were you supposed to show that well i valve didn't send it to me right but did the person who sent it to you could they no it ended up in like a junk shop or something oh okay yeah i mean dude this was that was a very For Valve to still be mad about a system they sent out 12 years ago, I think is probably pretty unlikely.

47:21Yeah. You know, you never know. There's an angle on there that looks rough. Yeah. Also, should we try to open it? Should we open it? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we should open it. Oh, okay. That just started going. Right. That was not that bad. All right, so there's the top. Looks a little... Hey, you were right about the brand. Something like that. The witch now? this is otak oh yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure uh and then yeah here's the internals so it's it's actually a really thoughtfully laid out case um uses pci like a hard pcie riser so it so it orients the card is really solid actually yeah no it's no it's pretty cool so you have a hard riser coming out of here your your card goes in right here your your intake is like oh my god what were they thinking here?

48:13Because this side is vented, right? So theoretically, you're getting some air here, but absolutely nothing here. But they're using a blower-style cooler so that at least it's taking that hot air and it's getting rid of it out the back of the system. But it doesn't really have an intake fan, right? Because your power supply, that'll draw air in that. So remember, this was the side that had the vents on the top, right? So that'll draw air in and then... What do you mean the GPU doesn't? blow it out and we'll know the case doesn't have an air intake the general case this well oh wow that um that is loose yes okay so this will draw some air in but you can see it's all it's all shrouded oh the fins so it'll come right out here so the fins on the cpu uh oh yeah i got a little bit i got a little mangled there so so both of these are drawing air in but they're also exhausting it directly out so oh man it's really hard to hold stuff up when i'm here it doesn't matter so the case itself doesn't have a single intake that provides any fresh air to this gpu like there's there's so it's negative air pressure because these are both in their own isolated airflow zones and then this one has a fan here right that is exhausting but it has there's no equivalent air intake for the exhaust that is that is blowing out uh it's got a spot for a two and a half inch ssd here but pretty much the idea what i've been waiting for for three and a half years is for valve to follow through on the commitment they made when they launched the steam deck three and a half years ago to create steam os for desktop are you gonna upgrade that machine and then install it on there that's sick and then this will be this will be my living room console that's fantastic could i ask no you can't have it no how much was it oh i don't actually know i i know i think i think we like found it in a in like a junk pile oh no way yeah like like It ended up at a free geek equivalent or something, and I think someone offered to send it to us or something like that.

50:28I'm pretty sure we didn't pay for it. Wow. So in terms of buying stolen goods or whatever, no. We didn't go looking for someone's coveted intellectual property or anything like that. For sure. I mean, I'd be curious to know if there's any out there. So Valve Steam Machine. So they only sent this out to gaming press, I think. Oh, yeah. eBay has got nothing. They've got literal actual, like, Steam machines. So, sorry, you won't be finding one of those there. Claim that as your upgrade. You have the right. No, I don't think so. Unfortunately, that's not how the terms work. It's freaking cool, though.

51:16Oh, is that a fan? No, it's not. Nope, it's just a little shrewd. i mean it's already prepaid yeah and you're replacing all the hardware it's probably fine yeah i'm dude i'm refinish the case at all so okay are you gonna leave some that that is a hard question that's a tough one because the wanting a beautiful system in me would be like yeah you know what i really want to do is i want to do like uh i want to do a cool color scheme i want to i want to pull out this internal mesh and then i want to paint that like an accent color and that'd be super cool and then i want to do this top like whatever and then i want to do like a hand-painted you know third color here like like like a cool like red or like a gold or like a cyan yeah yeah yeah something cool like that cyan would look sick actually right like i just I wanted, but then it feels wrong, right?

52:17Yeah, it kind of does. Doesn't it feel a little wrong to paint it? I'm unsure, but I think making significant changes, yes. But what if you like cleaned up some of the dings? You wouldn't be able to do that though. Without like painting it? This is anodized aluminum. Yeah, okay. So you would have to, you'd have to, you'd have to strip the anodization, which from For my understanding is un... You're not restoring at that point? You're kind of modifying? What if you painted it the same? No, it can be challenging. Removing anodization can be quite challenging. Got it. Someone said you have a CNC machine, make a new hood.

52:58I mean, I could, but that's not... No, yeah, you don't want to make a new hood. It has to be the same one. Yeah. For sure. That's for sure. man i'd want to do like a super cool color scheme though like a baby blue and yellow or something for like what if you have like like like a really out there color scheme you have to do it as a wrap you have two oh you have two tvs you have the upstairs and downstairs what if you did what if you recreated this and made it cool in the way that you would want and also had the og what if you had two uh i mean i'll just have to brace myself for all of the remember when linus tech chips was relatable comments but other than that i guess i don't see a downside uh it would be those comments are gonna show up anyways there's a lot of aspects of this that would be pretty untrivial to recreate like we basically have to you could 3d print a lot of it but like i'm not going to commit to that i'm definitely yeah not going to commit to that right now either It's just potentially an option.

54:00That's sick, though. Does the ring around the power button light up? It looks like it did in the picture. I believe it does, but I don't think I've ever tried to power this one up. You should. We should do it right now. You want to do it right now? Let's do it right now. I mean, do you have a C13? We can try. I have no idea, man. Daniel Besser I think Luke would like us to obtain a C13 power cable he's on it yeah

54:34Dan will have a way I'm sure man I wish the dings weren't in the front all the dings are in the front like the back is okay no there's some pretty big dings in the back okay the dings are everywhere dude I'm so excited it's so compact it's so console like if valve had just ponied up and they had done the same thing they did with the steam deck where they subsidized the hardware i think we would have i think we'd have a steam like desktop console yeah like freaking i mean the software wasn't ready yet though that's true it was so far off they waited for the right time ultimately letting letting them cook for longer was was also good.

55:16It was a good thing. Thank you, Mr. Daniel. Can we display it? It's HDMI, right? Do you want to? Oh, I mean, yeah, I guess. Mine? No. Damn it. What a dick. Did the stream hear that? That was good. That was good. That was good. There you go. That was very good.

55:45USB does it make your mother uncomfortable that we talk about your penis so much on this show probably I mean she's seen it a thousand times I guess it doesn't really matter sorry not in like a weird way you know in like he was yelling and sh** all over himself I was going to say yours too

56:12okay let's try to turn it on Yeah, good luck There's no chicken

56:22Yeah Yeah, the proximity to discussing people's parents And making seduction jokes is too close, Dan Yeah, yeah, yeah Too close What's going on here? Well, I don't know I pressed what I think is the power button And nothing happened, sir The banner, Dan The banner? Sure Oh, yeah, no, they can't. I'm working on it. There's not a whole lot to see that isn't happening. That was a very nimble and good save. Thank you. Did we try to bypass the front panel headers? Yeah, we could. I mean, how much troubleshooting do you want to do on the WAN show? This is probably the best and most interesting part of the WAN show so far.

57:02Okay. I'm not even... I think you might just be a bit of a Val fanboy and a little bit extra excite right now. The 30 % is a lot, okay? The 30 % is a large amount.

57:15dude it's like it's like buried in there bring his studios video has info for us uh i'm not gonna be able to like watch that right now is this power supply on outlet work oh i don't know i suspect the system is broken you guys i really don't recap first i also have to say of course bring his studios has a video on this there's no power switch on the power supply so yeah i guys i I think he's dead, Jim. I think that the best course of action is for us to put new hardware in it and make us sick. Yeah. Anyways, we don't have to, but... Sorry, what do you want me to do? You could bypass the pass-through and plug directly into the power supply.

57:58I really... And you could try to bridge the header just... I can't reach it. Look, the motherboard's completely covered, brother. Well, we could... I'm sure you have an LTTstore.com screwdriver readily accessible at all periods of time yes so you can't tell me a few little screws are going to defeat the great line of sebastian do you want me to troubleshoot it back here but we could also do that we could continue the show and dan could uh solve the troubleshooting things oh my god you guys i could just call jordan who is the writer for this project and be like hey have you tested the system does it work that would probably be easier okay no it is not that that is not the problem.

58:39Okay, cool. One problem down. Oh my god.

58:45It's good. It's good. You're killing me. We don't have to do it, but it's just, it's very interesting. For something we don't have to do, you're sure putting an awful lot of pressure to do it. Do we really have to do anything? What does that even mean? That means that we should do this.

59:07Fine. We can we can go as far as bridging the power switch on the motherboard. Are we passing it to Dan? Dan's going to have to do it because we're going to have to do the when show at some point. Yeah, that's fine. Dan, come. I'm coming. Oh, here. It's going the wrong way. I knocked my mic twice there. Sorry, people. Okay. Now Dan can't even do his job, which is about to get more difficult because we're about to talk about the creator warehouse stuff. This week, we have an exclusive floatplane drop on lttstore.com. If you're a floatplane subscriber, you already know that it's been Sarah Week featuring content centering around our designer, Sarah.

59:54Just today, we released her trip to Dinosaur Town, a.k.a. Drumheller, where she visited the Royal Tyrell Museum. Point of clarification on that. did LMG actually pay for her and Sammy to go to drum heller as I think so how does this how did that work as so that was the video budget so it's so it seems to me so here it is uh where was the thing with the okay oh yeah it was in the trailer so yeah they just went to a dinosaur museum and All right. Anywho, getting inspiration from the trip, she designed the Dinosaur t-shirt, exclusive to our float goats. It's a retro rendition of a Gorgasaur fossil designed by the one and only Sarah Butt.

1:00:51It's available only while supplies last at lmg.gg slash dinosaur. So you can make sure you subscribe over there and check it out. Here it is. Wow, this museum is huge. design a sore t-shirt also photo shoot with jungle this is great oh my god jamie how is this guy dude i saw this photo earlier he looks so good in this seriously it's fantastic seriously dude the fit is perfect amazing good trigger control look at this look at this look quality quality photo incredible you know never explore the prehistoric jungle without your apple watch yeah you know what i'm saying why would why would you indeed uh but that's not all we're also offering everybody a chance to save this weekend with 10 off all digital gift cards so essentially you can get 10 off pretty much everything on the store grab one today at lmg.gg gift card page not found hold on a second uh is that is that not real um luke is that are you it worked for me okay so here's the u.s site select denomination and what happens if i add it to cart uh-huh okay it is discounted by ten dollars oh this is gonna be a problem Is it?

1:02:23For us. Why? Because you can send a merch message by buying$100 for$90.

1:02:39See I knew we were gonna do a gift card discount promo I didn't think we were gonna do it now Now, before Black Friday.

1:02:53Hold on a second. This may go away. One moment, please. I need to make a call. You probably shouldn't have said that. I didn't even think about that at all. When's Black Friday? Not yet.

1:03:12I need to make a really quick call here. November 28th. Oh, it's not for a while. That's not the point. The point is that Black Friday will already be discounted. Hey, look, the only good thing about teams. What? The song. Yeah, but that's just from Skype. Uh-huh. They just remixed Skype. Uh-huh.

1:03:38Okay, he's not picking up.

1:03:43um Hathos asks can you use a gift card to buy a gift card if I have if I buy a$100 gift card for$90 then use that$100 gift card to buy another$100 gift card for$90 did you guys think about that how would you do that how would you not do that can I use that to buy another uh no I don't think you can do that uh uh yeah uh okay uh okay okay okay did you want to do a topic really quick i just need to find out what's going on can i just do the other two sponsors dan no no no no we should do some topics okay do you have any that i could do yeah we should do a couple merch messages not directly for you if there's general ones i can do those or i can talk about uh we should explain merch messages so the way to send a merch message is to add something to your cart on lttstore.com once you add something to your cart say for example uh okay so once you add something to your cart say for example one of our new t-shirt colors available in long sleeve and short sleeve and available in regular and tall lengths that's right let's go so you could get a tall medium shirt my god is this ever a lot of skews imagine it all imagine all of these colors in different lengths, in different sizes, and imagine why...

1:05:09Out of stock. Some of them are out of stock. Yeah, it totally makes sense if you think about it. Anyway, the point is you add that to your cart, and you'll see the interface for merch messages. You can either make it anonymous, or you can show your first name and last initial. You can leave a merch message for the show. It'll go to Producer Dan, who is working on a computer, and also will reply to your merch message. Yeah, you can do both. We think merch messages are great, because instead of just throwing money at your screen. We don't really want your donations. We would much rather that you just get some high quality merchandise in the mail if you want to support the show.

1:05:45So, lttstore.com, go send a merch message. Dan's going to have us reply to a couple merch messages. That's what happens when he curates them. This was the most disjointed merch message thing ever. I really want to know what's going on with this gift card promo. Make another call. I have one here for luke um so hi lld luke did you get a chance to tour any esa facilities in germany they held their open days roughly at the same time as ifa i had no idea that was a thing i had no idea they even ever did that let alone that it happened while i was there that would have been sick i would have a thousand percent did that done that ESA is the European Space Agency just in case people did not know oh no oh no just leave it yeah anyways separate thing but yeah no that's really cool I like that they do open days it was really fun I don't think it got a crazy amount of views I don't know if it was the title or something but you guys should go watch a Linus video did it end up doing better did i just bad talk it for no reason um i did but you should go watch anyways because it deserves even more views the canada's las vegas sphere is here and i game on it video is awesome there's a there's a place up here called the hr mcmillan uh space center or something but there's a thing that they call the planetarium in there which is this really really cool theater and like basically everyone that lives here when they were a kid went to go see things on the planetarium um and remembers that experience because it's just awesome uh and they're doing an upgrade to it that looks amazing and linus got some really cool behind the scenes access to uh the hardware and how they're doing it and some of the history of that place because it's like genuinely really interesting and they play a game on it and even just the the act of playing the game on it is is really interesting because of how they have to like kind of warp it to make it work on that screen and the screen having holes in it so it's um you can hear acoustics through the screen and yada yada yada it's a very interesting video space stuff is cool i don't really have anything else to say i wish i knew that esa thing i will keep that in mind in the future but yeah yeah so someone in chat um cam stab bro said i have very positive memories of hr mcmillan everyone i know that's been there when they were a kid has very positive memories of HR McMillan.

1:08:22I cannot reach Dave. This is my fault. He messaged me before the show today at yesterday. Sounds good. We are testing a 10 % gift card promotion this weekend to see how it goes. I had a full day and five and a half hours to say, oh my God, no, not before Black Friday. What are you changing, Dan?

1:09:04Let's leave it till midnight. Anyone who watches live or watches the VOD immediately, my loss is your gain. If you buy gift cards with gift cards, we will cancel the whole thing. that's i was just gonna message you okay we good do we have an accord please buy something profitable with it because you could absolutely go from the cheapest gift card to the most expensive one i know multiples of the most expensive one but if you do that we will cancel your order so there's really no point doing that whereas if you do this now in good faith and order one gift card for with the discount then we will leave it alone we will honor it even though i think the timing for this is you just know there was not optimal some person sitting at their computer infinite money glitching gift cards that just went oh some person probably bunch yeah but guys like come on yeah yeah wild uh four com five said what's profitable i will show you i will show you how to tell so okay if something has a little discount little nice discount probably profitable if something uh has a let's see do we still have the um uh oh yeah no the the like the like uber clearance stuff is gone so if something has like an uber clearance like 50 plus discount 40 discount on it um probably it's a loss leader that's generally the way to tell so just yeah do me a solid if you must have it before black friday just don't just load up on loss leaders if you could just find something something else as well that would be swell so it sounds like they do block it dan from from what people in full plate chat are saying is you can't buy just a gift card with just a gift card yeah that wouldn't make any sense you can split the transaction you could buy just a gift card with a gift card and some money oh okay don't do that that's that's the gist that i'm getting okay uh okay cool okay cool good chat I am Style451 says So the gift cards are profitable With their teeny tiny 10 % discount Not Not how that works Okay Oh my god Oh my god there's 42 merge messages In the queue We have made a terrible mistake How you doing Dan What have you done Technically it wasn't him Yeah Usually it is, and I'm down with that.

1:11:58Okay. But this time. Oh, man. Okay, let's just do a topic. Why don't we do a topic? Let's pick some good news. Let's see. South Korean government loses a bunch of money in a fire, or data in a fire. Oh, no. Logitech bricks its pop smart home buttons. No, no. Qualcomm acquires Arduino. No, no. Ford is locking basic navigation behind a subscription. No. Oh, Synology. Yeah. Hey, this isn't someone that I was expecting to give good news on. No. But on October 8th, Synology announced DSM 7.3 along with expanded storage flexibility, which... Less storage flexibility is what that means. Yeah, it means temporarily for a short period of time, they had reduced storage flexibility and they are back to status quo.

1:12:54They have walked back the unpopular change that restricted the use of third-party hard drives that they made earlier this year. Literally, it didn't even last for a year. Synology stated in their announcement, This provides users greater flexibility while Synology continues to expand the lineup of officially verified drives that meet long-term reliability standards. By the way, full disclosure, I am invested in Eshtec, the makers of HexOS, who are making an operating system that I hope will make Synology completely obsolete someday. So far, they're not there yet, but they do have some big news today.

1:13:32So it's actually kind of convenient that Synology gave us a reason to talk about them today. Ad closure, not disclosure. Am I right, audience? What? Ad closure? You said full disclosure. I'm invested in HexOS. Also, they're amazing. Look at all these cool features. that sounds like an ad closure not a disclosure you want to hear something deal with it no um okay i don't know dude john texted me i'm not invested in either of these companies and what synology did sucked and calling it expanded storage flexibility is also just complete bs and makes me even not more upset than the original status but i am now still displeased okay oh man dude and i have a synology device at home okay what is going on so i clicked the blog aiming to not use it in the thinking i would find the update but it's not in the blog it's apparently in docs what what did okay docs docs.hexos.com slash blog do you have two blogs hey that's illegal everyone gets issued one blog they have two blogs don't do that hashtag just okay doesn't matter the point is um by enabling experimental features and settings preferences you can now access the custom script option for app installs this is one of the big features that i think is going to really set hex os apart is easy installation of curated apps from there you You can tweak existing install scripts, create entirely new ones, and share them with the community or submit them to the official HexOS curation templates.

1:15:16This is pretty cool. They also launched their official documentation site, a centralized resources to bring together getting started guides, feature documentation, troubleshooting help, etc. First flight improvements. This was actually based on Robert Oakes. He's one of our editors. We did his AMD Ultimate Tech upgrade very recently. I think it's going up in the next few days. And I ran into some issues with the first flight, the sort of setup wizard. And I was like, hey, can you fix that? And they did. Pretty neat. Folder wizard, much like manual pool creation, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

1:15:50Looking ahead. Okay, this is a big deal. Because one of the big criticisms of HexOS, HexOS, HexOS, back when they first announced it, was, hey, why do I need an account? and why do I need to access the control dashboard for a NAS, for my NAS with my hard drives, with my data on them through a cloud interface? And the HexOS team heard that feedback and said, hey, before we go out of beta, we will have a local UI. There are reasons that we had to do it this way first, but before we go out of beta, we will have a local UI, and it's coming. The command deck remains our primary interface for initial setup and for remote access, but the local UI ensures you'll have access to the HexOS interface for system management even during command deck maintenance windows.

1:16:42This is a core component of our 1.0 release. So they're getting that going. John also asked me so very nicely. So this is the only reason that I'm going to... Oh, what? Got him! Well, whatever. They're hiring. Got him! They're apparently hiring, and I can't click this topic. so get wrecked john that's what happens no that's what happens you ask me to shout something out and you have a permissions issue you get nothing that's how it works sorry john all right what what what what else are we supposed to be talking about okay let's talk about logitech breaking these pop smart home buttons i freaking hate this stuff and this is why it was so important to the community that you know hex os not just be like yeah no you know yeah someday we'll we'll have a local access you know okay because it's not okay and they get it they 100 get it now but this is why people were butthurt about it because anything that relies on a cloud service doesn't belong to you appropriately butthurt logitech is emailing pop smart home users to inform them that as of October 15th, five days from now, all Logitech pop buttons and their associated hubs will lose all functionality.

1:18:01Did you talk about this last week? I don't think so. Okay. Okay. Logitech emailed users on September 29th announcing the shutdown, giving users less than three weeks to do anything about it. As compensation, Logitech is offering a 15 % discount coupon for select Logitech products in the U.S. Can you think... Their handyman just linked their doc site has the cruise thing and you could read it. No, I won't. They get nothing. That's pretty good. Can you think of a more insulting solution? Remember, we just talked about... Oh, it's trash. We just talked about how much of a discount, right, is probably still profitable.

1:18:54Do you remember that conversation? So they are offering you an opportunity for them to profit on a new purchase after they just fucked you.

1:19:08What is this? Select products? You're not even going to let me buy any product I want? And why is it only in the US? select products i didn't actually realize this like if it's not profitable at 15 off dude what even is this can't buy that one like a 15 discount is not an apology that's like a that that's a that's a retention marketing strategy that that's like that's a mailing mail out coupon this is wild the pop system was launched in august 2016 to allow users to trigger smart home actions phillips hughes sonos etc with a starter kit priced at a hundred dollars and individual add-on buttons at forty dollars our discussion question is uh how do you think logitech could have better handled this situation and what do you think is an appropriate end of life cycle for a piece of technology um well yeah they could have handled this better and the proper way to handle this is to open source it that's the only proper way to handle it at this point

1:20:20and if you don't want to because you're still using that stuff maintain it yeah uh do you want to pick one sure

1:20:35ford do we do ford no i'm going to scroll up there's stuff up here right discussion on settlements you want to do that yeah we could do that sure discussion on settlements this week on the ltt reddit a fan posted a story about how they received one dollars of credit for a parking app that had data leak back into 2021 in total the attorneys for the case were paid $6.2 million. Seven class reps received$5K each and the rest of the $31 million was paid out in$1 credits to the customers. But wait, there's more. The credit is actually$0.25 that has to be used four times across four purchases. The notice of this compensation also came with notes about data security improvements, but ultimately stated that the company, Park Mobile, was never found liable for anything.

1:21:34Rather, the settlement was reached to allow the company to continue focusing on providing excellent service for its customers. If people don't claim credits or money or whatever it is from class action suits, what happens to the money? I'll be honest with you. I don't know. Don't know. I assume the lawyers figure that out. so i assume the lawyers helpful to the lawyers i literally do not know that though yeah not legal advice yeah on discussion question believable is it even worth the company to give out one dollar to its customers what's the point if they claim they aren't liable uh well the point is that the lawyers get paid

1:22:21right what's the point to the company though if the company's saying that they're not liable oh they just want the suit to end because they were spending so much money on legal yeah yeah just it just ends it so i mean that's the point of any legal settlement is you either get so sick of litigating it and everyone's tired of it so you just reach a settlement or uh oh wanting to avoid a legal precedent is another reason that companies will often try to settle because if it goes to full trial, then now it's legal precedent. So now it could impact future cases. Whereas a settlement can't, you might settle.

1:22:57And part of your condition for settling might be no admission of wrongdoing. Whereas if you don't settle, and again, it goes to a full trial, then you will have to admit wrongdoing. So there's a lot of different reasons that you might want to settle for sure. If you think it's going to end up costing you even more, then you might want to settle. So there's at least like four reasons. It's interesting that it's a credit for their own service. I know, right? And I'm assuming that they make more than 25 cents per transaction. I would think so on parking. So again, it's just a profitable discount.

1:23:31It's not... The fact that they make you spread a$1 credit across four purchases is all the proof in the world that you could possibly need that the lawyers negotiating this on behalf of the people whose whose data was breached right do not care about any kind of data breach stuff like this is really interesting though because like this genuinely happens all the time and most of them don't go to class actions uh so that's yeah what does that even mean um like i used to check have i been pwned like all the time not to like check my email to see if i got pwned right but just to see what's going on and i like almost don't even bother anymore because it's just constant

1:24:29like like look at these stats dude 15.11 billion pwned accounts Nice Sheesh Can I sort by breach date? There we go Oh look at all those from 2025 Look at this scrollable list From 2025 Like this stuff is just all of the way Does it like when does it there we go It stops there finally Floatplane chats having a field day with this Donut711 says says, I got charged a 35-cent transaction fee in this app on free parking the other day.

1:25:11Also, this is great. MavsGuy842 says, the lawyers should get paid an app credit too. Yeah, they should have gotten$6.2 million in parking credit. If it's good enough for the people whose data was stolen, why isn't it good enough for the lawyers? right i understand the lawyers got to make money in these situations 6.2 million is crazy but then also like how many of them were there and how long did they work it and stuff like that because this said it happened back in 2021 right so like i don't know but then the payout is just so lame yeah and i get that stuff like this is supposed to be punitive right but hold on a second because they only actually paid 6.2 million plus another $35 ,000.

1:26:01The rest of the 31 million was in$1 credits that have to be used over four times parking. So that was... I guarantee you their margin on those... So what does that work out to? So$31 million times four. So we're talking about 124 million parking instances at 25 cents discount each. They're going to make more than$6.2 million if people actually redeem the 31 million. So it's free real estate. Yeah, it really is. I really wonder what percentage of class action payouts are actually redeemed. I suspect it's surprisingly low because most of the time it's um they're such low payouts yeah this is a comically low one i wouldn't bother for a dollar exactly but so what what insane percentage of this okay here actually this is kind of an interesting conversation i'd love for you guys to kind of participate in this too give give me give me your line okay it's a dollar okay so whether whether it's an american you know uh bill or it's a canadian coin you know what let's assume it's an american bill it's an american dollar okay let's start with an easy one it's stuck to the bottom of your shoe do you pick it up yeah okay of course you put it in your wallet yeah okay it is um it is you are walking down the sidewalk yep and it is on the grass to the side of the sidewalk for sure okay for sure okay it is laying over actually no here's an easier one it's in a tree yeah and you have to pull yourself up a branch in order to reach it definitely okay it's on a storm drain kind of hanging over one of the one of the grates and it's wet yes okay it is on the floor of a bathroom

1:28:17It's American to escalated quickly it's an American dollar dollar 40 cloth aren't they a dollar for the Canadian ones are Codd they're cotton so they're cotton they're cotton baby, so I want you guys I want you guys I want you guys participating. I want you guys participating. I will leave the feces dollar What if it's just a year in dollar? I would leave the urine dollar. It's caught. It's a cotton bill. Let's say it's not okay. Hold on We're going to find his line. We're going to find his line. We're going to find his line. It's not near the urinal. Okay. It's by the, it's by the door. It's by the door.

1:28:48I have seen what people do to bathrooms, brother. Okay. Forget the bathroom. Forget the bathroom. Okay. Okay. It is. I'm leaving that one the heck alone. Okay. It's on the floor of a commercial kitchen.

1:29:05Near where they cook. Man, it varies like a lot depending on the kitchen. church's chicken no i'll leave that one alone okay okay hold on hold on let me let me try to think i want to try and nail this down because the bathroom really did feel like a big escalation bathroom is a pretty big i was kind of hope i was kind of hoping oh okay okay here's one kitchen have you guys worked in commercial kitchens there's a reason why they have so many rats anyways uh okay it's not a public bathroom now it's the bathroom at your parents house oh yeah sure okay so that's fine yeah so that that's the that's the line then uh okay there's a there's an enormous gap between most people's uh home bathrooms let alone my parents and a public bathroom sure oh that's some bad experiences on some recent trips okay uh oh here here's an interesting one okay so back to the one that was on the grass and there's there's a dog turd near it near it near it's fine as but it's windy it's still probably fine so you don't know for sure that it didn't i think it's still probably okay it's downwind of the dog turd but not by much still probably okay if there's no visible mark so do you do you check it before you pick it up Yeah.

1:30:33But like as I'm walking up to it, I'm not, yeah. Okay. So you intend to pick it up and you're going to look for a skid mark on your dollar bill. Yeah. Okay. If there's a skid mark, that thing ain't moving. Okay. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Okay. I think we've found your line. Basically, as long as it's clean. I was expecting you to do more on the like having to do work to get to it. And I was just going to keep saying yes. I kind of figured I wasn't getting anywhere with that. Because it just makes it a game. Right. And then it's fun. It's not even about the dollar anymore. It's just, okay, there's a goal.

1:31:02can i accomplish goal sure that's the interest so that so that whatever when it gets to like is this dollar a health risk it's like yeah okay how about this though so you are in a hurry okay okay you're you are you're in enough of a hurry that you are that you are jogging oh okay it's on the other side of the street there's no cars no uh you're going this way and that way you're you're gonna you're gonna go to the next intersection you're gonna go right it's on the left side of the street it's there are hurries that are not that big of a hurry that i will jog for so it still kind of depends you're on your trip to your last trip to germany no i don't get it okay so there's the line anything to do with human or animal waste yep is a no-go yep and there are definitely kitchens there are definitely commercial kitchens where i'd pick it up off the ground okay there are also very disgusting commercial kitchens and then and then out of the way is fine as long as i was already playing pokemon go anyway yeah the point is to walk so yeah sure whatever i don't care got it okay okay And I have done things where like there is an incredibly minor gain for this like incredibly long amount of walking that I could do.

1:32:25And I'll just be like, yeah, sure. Oh, man. Trick killer here says when I was a teenager, we used to put dollar bills in the horse manure at the Minnesota State Fair and then watch to see who picks it up. Absolutely deranged. That is sociopathic. That is just classic teenager activities. I mean, look, like this is coming from someone who literally had like horse turdy fights in the riding ring with my siblings. So like, whatever, like I'm not, I'm not judging. I mean, that's the thing. If one person, more accurate teenager activity. If one person throws one. You gotta throw it back. I mean, it's good.

1:33:01And to be clear, I'm talking like the dried out, the dried out ones, which is very different from the fresh ones. It really is. Very different. Luca 103 says I'm sorry what tell me that you never lived on a farm without telling me you never lived on a farm poop made of grass is not that gross it doesn't smell that bad it doesn't like yeah they also do actually really turn into throwable balls they really do like it's yeah they really do it's Austin Blitz says it's poop though you get a little desensitized to it yeah you shovel enough of it like literally i probably have shoveled thousands of pounds of horse poo it's like yeah what yeah it's poop part of life you know um and like the difference between vegetarian animal poop and like carnivore animal poop a whole world whole world of difference yeah um I don't know maybe that's the kind of thing I shouldn't admit but uh I I'm in my I'm in my zero given phase should admit what that had a poop fight whatever I I don't know I think it's great someone's gonna find a way to turn it into something I mean there there's you know there's always there's always something I'm a scat man I'm a scat man no I haven't you don't know that whoa do you please tell me you know what i'm talking about he's cool

1:34:41yeah rest in peace oh wait what really yeah oh oh all right well that was a downer thanks man that sucks glad we glad we brought you out of your focus zone to do that um cool what do we want to talk about next. Ah, yes. The... Oh, wow, like a while ago. Okay. Qualcomm acquires Arduino. Qualcomm, known for developing mobile chips such as the Snapdragon series and many more, has acquired microcontroller manufacturer Arduino for an undisclosed sum.

1:35:18How are we feeling about this? I love the look on your face there. Qualcomm states that by acquiring Arduino, this will allow them to deliver a full stack edge platform, which is a fancy way of saying local AI. Jeff Geerling posted a short five minute video talking about this and some concerns like commitment to open source and education spaces. Which were like a huge thing with Arduino. That's how people primarily talked about when they first showed up was the education spaces stuff. Well, hey, I mean, Qualcomm is really well known for... Sorry, I can't. Good luck. I can't finish that sentence.

1:35:58I mean, here's the problem. The problem with something getting acquired for money by someone who expects a return on said money is that whatever money it was making now was clearly not enough for whoever was making money with it now so whoever's going to acquire it is often but not always often highly financially motivated to make it make more money yeah that's kind of the point private equity this isn't private equity but private equity i mean at a oh that's an interesting conversation at what point is at what point does a large enough conglomerate start to essentially function like private equity in terms of the impact that it has on the companies that it acquires.

1:36:53I mean, there's no I don't think that what's happened with Activision Blizzard for Microsoft acquiring them would have been any different if private equity acquired them. I don't really see the difference at that point.

1:37:09Well, we'll see how that goes.

1:37:16Screwdriver? Sure, why not? prusa and ltt screwdriver video prusa posted a nine minute video today talking about the development of the ltt screwdriver wait that was prusa i saw this in my feed i didn't realize it was prusa huh cool uh yeah uh talking about everything from handle design to linus spontaneously saying he wanted the screwdriver to be orange uh spontaneously saying that i don't know wasn't that the goal forever i don't know that's uh that's what that's what kyle says he says i couldn't i couldn't uh i couldn't contain my excitement i i haven't actually watched this so i have no idea what other uh what other things of course it was supposed to be orange uh i don't actually necessarily know that for sure because yeah the the snap on one that i used before was orange and orange company color orange and black part of our branding but we also did an all black screwdriver right from the very start.

1:38:18I literally do not remember. It's possible he remembers this better than I do. A screwdriver not having some orange on it would be weird. The primary standard one not having some orange on it would be weird. I really don't remember. I got to be completely honest with you. I wasn't involved at all, so I have no idea. But yeah, that's awesome. Hypothetical world. Where would LTT be today if there was no screwdriver exactly where it is probably but maybe a little smaller yeah maybe maybe a little smaller the screwdriver was a very most excellent um product launch for us and continues to sell extremely well on the store i think we're i think we're well over half a million screwdrivers now which is like i have had one interaction where someone had no idea what the channel was or anything but i was talking about what i do and then they were like wait the screwdriver that has happened really so they just only know us by the screwdriver yeah well they i guess someone in their life probably knew the channel right and told them about the screwdriver and they were like okay well it's very giftable tried out or got gifted or something i don't know what yeah um and then they liked the screwdriver a bunch so they knew the screwdriver but they didn't they don't care about computers or anything right like fair enough yeah whatever i mean they were like nice screwdriver it's like okay cool they like it they use it all the time sweet

1:39:57couldn't couldn't give the slightest crap about anything else going on but pretty stoked on the screwdriver nice yeah you know what i'm not stoked on ford ford is locking basic navigation and more behind a subscription who could have seen this coming could anyone possibly have seen this coming i mean ah dude i was uh i someone uh someone posted on the subreddit that uh chevy is announcing a new bolt and that surely linus would be talking about this on wan show and i was like okay first of all it's a bolt not a volt yes that's the first thing i was gonna say i never cared about the bolt the bolt was an entry-level ev which is like fine but what excited me was the volt the plug-in hybrid back when plug-in hybrids weren't trendy and cool yet and i took a bunch of flack for talking about how cool they were and now everyone knows they're cool they're so cool they really are cool so cool i loved the volt there is no new volt it's still bolt or the new one is bolt whatever the point is two gm doesn't support android auto and carplay anymore they've gone the rivian tesla route and i i i gotta be honest man like i i still can think the cars are cool i'll be like yeah if this suits your needs i wouldn't judge you in any way for buying one, but you're going to have to pry my money from my cold, dead hands before I buy a car that doesn't support me just plugging in my phone and using all my crap that I'm already logged into and all the data tracking that is already happening anyway, because I need this in my pocket anyway.

1:41:46I am not signing into your additional platform and using your additional separate apps. i am not going to do it i won't so gm can make all the bolts and volts and schultz and molds i don't care they can make anything they want and they will not get my money from me because they have made a decision that i fundamentally disagree with because it unlocks this bullshit because all of a sudden now you control the platform and all the other subscriptions that I already have in my life can't just be plugged into my car which I expect to just f***ing own once I pay that kind of money for it. No. I own my car.

1:42:37I like my car a lot. My car is great. I got a new car. Oh, what? I'm daily driving a Prius. No, Corolla. Different Toyota. Who doesn't even know that? I have a new car. What is it? I don't know. It's the one that we hooked up the comma AI self-driving. So are you trying to like daily comma AI or something? Yeah. So it's going to be a really different kind of video for our channel. I have no idea if people are going to be into it. I don't know if it's going to cut together very well. I don't know. But I get in the car. We have like three or four webcams in there. Or if not webcams, dash cams. So we have two angles of me.

1:43:19one that's like just me and one that's like me and the passenger we have an angle showing the comma ai and i think there might be one more angle i can't remember what it is uh and then uh we put a microphone on the passenger sunshade just like a little shotgun mic pointing at me and every time i get in the car i'm supposed to turn on the audio recording the video rolls automatically and then i'm just supposed to like if anything interesting happens i do like an audio mark for the editor and then i i talk about it and we're gonna cut it together and i daily drove a diy self-driving i mean it's not really self-driving it's it's an advanced driver's feature but i mean certain companies might call it self-driving so why can't i i i saw your car parked somewhere the other day yeah your actual car yeah yeah that one um and was genuinely confused because i was like where is he yeah and now this makes a lot actually a lot more sense because i was like i was the last person to leave the place and i was locking everything up and then yeah your car was there and i was like what okay i was actually concerned i like locked you inside oh yeah no i'm good yeah i'm driving i'm driving the corolla i uh i i like my car no i love my car it's great it doesn't it's not life changing this is why I love my car so much it's been paid off for so long and I get inside and it's comfortable yeah the Corolla's alright and it gets me where I need to go oh no I don't have Google Maps oh my phone's sitting on the dash I suddenly have Google Maps wow crazy feature it turns out I'm still not really much of a car guy I like cool cars I don't not like them I just think it's a lot of money And it is It's a fun party trick Like driving a rocket ship I don't think it's cheap to not want to spend Like Decent nice new cars are so expensive I don't want to spend like 60 grand on a new version Of my car how much is a 60 grand that doesn't even include your subscription A reddit user on the LTT subreddit Shared a photo of their truck Requiring them to pay a 120 canadian dollar a year add-on fee to get full use of their car's navigation system it's not the only subscription that you need to get full access to your ford trucks features their blue cruise hands-free highway driving assistance will cost you 500 us dollars a year or 2 500 one time for a lifetime access which they indicate could actually be only seven years of the service the comment here who's this this is david that's a deal breaker ladies some other examples of car sub bullshit bmw has heated seats locked behind a subscription mercedes has actual car performance locked behind a subscription okay i've talked about this one that one i actually don't necessarily mind as much because there can be wear and tear impacts on pushing hardware harder whether it's an electric whether it's a gas vehicle there there could be an actual cost associated with unlocking that extra performance in terms of like warranty service over time that one could potentially maybe be justified heated seats that are just already there i object to far more also a navigation system that doesn't work is like what even is a car in current year that doesn't have a navigation system you've got to be kidding me anyway tesla has their media capabilities behind such a subscription toyota has remote start on vehicles three years older or more on a subscription and a ton have over-the-air ui updates locked behind subscriptions gm stated ha ha we've gm the one that remember i was just talking about how i'm not interested in their not having android auto or carplay bullshit uh gm stated that it earned more than two billion dollars in 2021 via in-car subscriptions and yeah i that's exactly why they don't do it like they did in the volt anymore dude the volt is like my part it was like the goldilocks zone what is that car 2017 i think it's great sounds right it has it has a big enough screen that you can totally make out where you're going it supports android auto and carplay it never got any like ended production 2019 so yours being 2017 sounds pretty i think mine's a 2017 um it doesn't really get any ota updates or anything but it doesn't need them because i can plug my phone into it forever and have all the features i could possibly want people love of these dude what 2019 chevrolet volt car and driver this is american prices used dude well yeah it's because it's like a god to your car it's awesome wicked no i i'm not even like that's that's cool i'm not even down talking it dude i took and i get it i took so much flack for that take back then like it it was a major factor in me just being like hey i don't think i'm gonna i don't think i'm gonna push that hard into doing more car reviews on ltt because i took so much for being like this is a really great car did you throw it throw the car no the the s***.

1:49:11Just damn. Just damn. Did you start whipping it back at people? Or did you lose your youthfulness? I just got frustrated. With them throwing feces at you? What? Yes. Yeah. Doesn't taste good. Thought it was food. Oh, no. Oh, no. That never happened. Oh, no. yeah this sucks all of this sucks all of it sucks boo stop doing it discussion question in that same statement gm stated that uh i accidentally minimized this topic uh gm stated that customers are willing to spend 135 a month on average for the right mix of in-car products and services nope no i don't think i am my stuff it i'm not at all i will pay you nothing my subscription like my included with purchase subscriptions in my tycan um expired last month and i don't even know what they were because to me a feature of a vehicle that is not just part of it and that requires a subscription doesn't exist so i have literally never used them because the last thing i want is to get used to using something that i know i'm gonna have to pay monthly for later like nope the only problem my cars had in years happened somewhat recently there's some air got in the brake line still works perfectly fine just like should probably get it tuned up eventually um somebody with a trailer pulled out in front of me today when i was driving to work uh and at the red light their trailer brakes were not working and their trailer was brought blocking their brake lights so when they went to go stop i didn't realize there was a car in front of them as well so they stopped way earlier than i expected and i couldn't see their lights so i ended up slamming on my brakes in order to not hit them and uh that somehow fixed the air in the lines so my car fixed itself thanks honda okay sick i went to stop at the next light i was like wait what the heck it was awesome that is not okay yeah i'll go get it checked out but it did actually fix itself so i don't know i don't know if like brake slamming just shocked the line and the air came out or something i don't know but i will get it checked out dude take hands are crazy crazy affordable if you wait for the right deal these days whoa why is that so much cheaper than the one is it the Turbo S part?

1:51:55they have oh yes Turbo S is the like top spec one um and is quite a bit more expensive but I mean I don't know here's one for $75 ,000 I know guys I'm taking it in I literally have an appointment from like uh that I planned like a week ago it's fine don't worry about it yeah my goodness um dude my car is depreciated so much it's fine though you bought a luxury electric car yeah what do you expect i expect to enjoy driving my luxury electric car except when i drive my corolla which honestly is kind of fine too

1:52:32dude the the comma ai is really cool it's the more i drive it the more clear it is that it's really though only useful in a straight line like yeah it doesn't do anything other than really lane keep assist and auto start stop but to its credit i had a really cool experience with it this morning i um i was stopped in the left hand turning lane sorry coming down uh coming down highway 15 is that is that the one that that comes down from the trans canada highway to the office area so highway 15 i think so i think so yeah so i'm coming down highway 15 and then i'm turning left onto Fraser Highway.

1:53:13You know the one, right? Okay. So there's your two lanes going straight and then there's your two turning lanes. So there's all that construction there for the SkyTrain right now. So I'm in the right most of the left turning lanes. So if I was numbering them from left to right, I'm in lane two. Okay. So there's two lights for the straight lanes. Those are kind of in front of me here. And then there's two lights for the left turning lane. There's one kind of here and then there's one like way over here. And so I was sitting there, I was at the front and I was like, what's going to happen when the straight green lights turn green?

1:53:47Is it going to rip me into the intersection? Because a beta feature, I think it's still in beta actually have not checked, but it was in beta back when we did our first impressions. A feature that I think is in beta of the comma AI is a green and red light detection. So it should theoretically automatically stop for a red light and start once the light turns green. It didn't go. when the straight greens went it didn't go i don't actually recall if it went when the left turning uh lights went i just have to check the footage but yeah i was pretty i was pretty impressed that is pretty good actually yeah that's quite a niche case however let's talk about yellow lights it slows down it seems to kind of treat them like caution but it doesn't treat them like caution this will turn red maybe it treats them like caution maybe it will turn red maybe it could turn green again maybe it has location services and knows you're in bc uh it's a joke because bc drivers red means stop green means go yellow means go faster go faster but head on a swivel but go faster oh god yeah they just they just knew where you were they're trying to keep you fitting in with the locals yeah well yeah

1:55:15microsoft has promised more xbox hardware is still on the way despite low sales numbers for their hardware and the canned xbox handheld that um is rumored to be because amd required a guarantee that they would sell at least 10 million units um microsoft has assured gamers that future first party consoles and devices are still being designed engineered and built by xbox they have pointed to the multi-year partnership that they entered with amd earlier this year with that said it still looks like their main focus remains on game pass with rumors of a free ad supported tier of streaming only game pass on the horizon okay i can see from your face but hold on a second hold on a second okay we have a video coming soon about the state of xbox that you should keep an eye out for i actually filmed my part of it today and i want to talk about ad supported free streaming only game pass.

1:56:18Luke, would you like to translate that look on your face into words? Do you have words? Mostly sadness, I think. Because you were a bit of an Xbox, like, boy. Yeah, oh yeah. Original Xbox, Xbox 360 were a huge deal. Loved both of those consoles. Absolutely loved both those consoles. Just seeing either one of them immediately brings me joy. Like, fantastic pieces of equipment. They really fell off the rails in a big way immediately after the 360. And I think never got it back. The unhappy face isn't this honestly it just feels like and it's Microsoft again.

1:57:04It feels like the same take that I have with Windows which it's just been so long now of just junk. the original xbox and xbox 360 were an amazing value prop came with incredible exclusives fantastic games fantastic hardware great experience and then it just went and never came back so like them one not making yeah what what were the like bangers on the xbox one i don't know when did gears hit was that three no that was 360 right yeah no yeah xbox one was gears of war one right no oh no that was 360 the original gears war was either 360 or the original one oh no it wasn't original xbox i don't think yeah so i'm pretty sure it's 360 then uh titanfall 2 says mav okay multi-platform yeah yeah gears of war was 360 uh halo 2 no no no no people are just naming stuff that was on the old versions halo 2 was playable in the original xbox but primarily came out for the 360 it was really designed for the 360 but it was playable in the original xbox if i remember correctly um or maybe we just got our internet module thing late i don't know what was killer for xbox one i'm trying to i'm trying to even remember the xbox one did anybody care about the xbox one

1:58:59Gears 4 to 5 2013 wow right around the time that windows started getting really terrible as well interesting i don't know what changed that i genuinely don't this isn't i'm not i'm not actually alluding to anything it's just interesting that the timelines are similar when did bill gates step down way before that didn't he well yeah but i mean it takes a long time for the pipeline that's fair but i think it was like way way before that step down as ceo i'm just i'm just curious i'm not saying that he was like a great leader or whatever 2000 he stepped down it's kind of so that was way way way way before yeah all right um what are you talking yeah okay so but my actual like sadness here wasn't about the xbox hardware thing because in my opinion that's been dead for 12 years right so i already kind of moved on from xbox hardware the thing that i like about xbox hardware is the controllers now i would be really sad if they making controllers and it impacts my life literally not at all that they stopped making consoles despite being like as you said an xbox boy right because they just completely lost me um which sucks yeah i'm trying to think of a good reason to game on an xbox the cheap hardware was one but then they've hiked the prices didn't they increase the price recently for the same console?

2:00:24When does that happen? Remember when mid-cycle consoles would maybe go down in price? Do you remember that? They'd either go down or you'd get like slim versions or whatever. Or they'd start coming with bundled games and like extra controllers or cool variants like translucent purple. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy though. Who would do that with their screwdriver? Huh? That's crazy. That is crazy. That's crazy. That is crazy indeed.

2:00:55um yeah so it's like the the thing that i'm sad about here and i know i'm going to catch flack for this but the thing that i'm sad about here is the uh you can play the games for free with ads so you think that's bad that why do you think that's bad is a stepping stone in my opinion i mean is it to even more increasingly annoying things is it any different from what we already have in like microtransaction hell i think it's just progressive i mean the all i mean that's it's basically just mobile gaming then this is my point oh i see okay so you're just like okay well ads will start being made with this in mind sorry games will start being i mean same deal unfortunately games will start being made with this in mind but like mobile games don't need to be as bad as they are they have the hardware they have the performance to make them better they don't on purpose the ad supported tier in mobile games though is just to get you going on to the microtransactions yeah and pc games are already made for microtransactions which is why it just feels progressive it's like we skipped stage two cancer and we went straight to stage four like i don't really i don't think we even skipped stage two or three i think we did them but when did we have ad supported games on pc like if that if you're saying like ads like i'm saying ad supported is like is like one of the stages we went through to get to in a few games are already games that have funding from ads yeah just in in very alternative ways this is the most blatant because there's already been like paid billboard ads there's even been games that have the ads in them update over time okay tell me this if the idea is that the the ad supports the streaming of the game then the game developer isn't really being incentivized in any way to put ads in the game itself and it's a source of revenue that is completely separate from any kind of you don't know how the revenue sharing is happening.

2:03:00That's true. So if your game gets more ad views, it would make a lot of things getting like super grindy. So what I was saying was that I'm worried about games being made with this in mind because the same thing happened with microtransactions. When microtransactions came in, cool cosmetics for accomplishing cool things went away. When microtransactions came in, fun cheat codes went away. I've had an intrusive thought. You know how many loading zones there are in Starfield? This is my point. Ad break. Yeah. So like just the fact that that mechanism in there is there concerns me.

2:03:45You understand streaming economy? It can't just be free. Ads make sense to make it cheap. That's fully understand that. That's not the point. at all the point is the perverse incentive that happens to the developers right because now they would be incentivized i'm assuming if your game plays way more ads than other people's games you're gonna get more money i don't know when the ads play i don't know if it's during the game i don't know if it's during it can't just be like in the middle of lining up a headshot no obviously so it has to be at some kind of a natural break that you can't launch the game until you play a certain amount of ads or something.

2:04:21Right. I don't know. But I'm sure that starting with playing a bunch of ads and then the game going will turn into playing a bunch of ads and then in between rounds could turn into whatever. This is the sadness. I see. Okay. I think gaming was better when you owned less games because you bought them.

2:04:52I don't think having access to 700 games made my life better. When I had an Xbox and I had like five games, it was great. And that was totally fine. And I bought them and there wasn't ads and there wasn't microtransactions. And it was fantastic. I don't need infinite game on Game Pass for free, but I have to watch ads. I don't want that. but you can also afford regular game pass or just buying games. Even when I couldn't, I preferred it. I would just have less games. Like I said, when I had just like a few games in an Xbox, when my brother and I had to go do random chores and odd jobs around the neighborhood to be able to afford a Super Nintendo, even when like the N64 was out, whatever, I preferred the fewer games that I had that did not have the ads.

2:05:40That is nostalgia talking. It aggressively is not, and I promise you. That is not at all what's happening. Yeah, you don't know this man. I promise you that is not the case. 100%. It's genuinely not rose-tinted glasses looking at the past. It is actually not that. That is not the case whatsoever. It is a degradation of gaming quality. I loved that tons of games used to come with cheat codes that just made the game fun and silly. I loved games being more contained compartmentalized experiences I loved doing weird things in game and getting rewarded with like cool fancy stuff instead of most of the cool stuff being locked behind cosmetics that you buy in a store and if you don't think that's happening you're nuts basically what Luke misses is the dopamine hit being because you did something rather than the dopamine hit being because you paid for something yeah and even if you're like oh those mechanisms are still there they're not prioritized well yeah because it's way more profitable to prioritize giving you a dopamine hit for watching an ad or giving you a dopamine hit for paying money and it's such an incredibly powerful force and again if you don't think it is you're probably just being manipulated

2:07:03sorry wow dropping truth bombs are you is what it is are you are you gonna like you know warn them to get to an evac zone before you drop truth bombs like that nope nope our discussion question here is actually kind of unrelated uh why is the steam deck considered such a huge success when it's rumored to have sold somewhere in the neighborhood of around 5 million units ps vita sold 10 to 15 million units we you sold about 13 million and both are considered to be historic bombs i actually think i have a good answer if you don't have one ready but i was curious to hear your take first i have a couple angles i'm gonna go with expectations yeah the expectations for linux gaming was that it was just never going to happen and i don't mean the optimists they thought linux gaming had already happened and for them it had but for the rest of the world for like you know my nephew it hadn't happened steam deck made that happen i guarantee you there are more people gaming on a steam deck right now than there were cumulatively ever before that on linux like huge millions of units is is incredible for like gaming on linux um so what that what that and it's also like it's also their first crack at it so it's a data point right whereas the wii u and the ps vita they were data points that took a sales trend and went like this with it the steam deck is a sales trend that is at the very beginning that most external analysts thought would be a failure and that we think is probably going to go like this was a keyword right it's probably going to go like this so it's extremely exciting reason number two that the Steam Deck is considered a success, is that the PS Vita and the Wii U had very limited game libraries.

2:09:24The Wii U did have some bangers, but a lot of those bangers ended up selling big on the Switch. Yeah. They didn't end up selling big, or on the Wii, right? That's true. They ended up selling on the consoles that were on either side of the Wii U. And yeah, the PS Vita had some bangers too. but when you compare that to the steam deck valve's business model is to take 30 of every flipping game on steam and the steam deck is such an enabler of more hours spent gaming i guarantee you that the economics of the steam deck have worked out way better for valve than the ps vita or the wii u ever did for sony or for nintendo so those are my two main arguments is expectations and sort of future opportunity that is unlocked by the Steam Deck compared to those other two.

2:10:17And also the ability to attach software to it is like, I have literally bought games that I go, I would never play this game except that I'm going to be stuck somewhere with only a handheld and it's a perfect game to play on my handheld. Like I would never play Vampire Survivors on my desktop. Never. I wouldn't touch that game on my desktop. Not because it's a bad game. I probably have like 30 hours in it, 35 hours in it. But it's all on my ally. All of it. It's just, it's a mobile game for me. It's like, I have 10 minutes. Yeah, I'll just fire up vampire survivors. Yeah, my main thing was expectations.

2:11:00The other one was highly related to your other comment of like the future stuff. because the 13 million Wii U sold were sold to a bunch of people that I don't know weren't super enthusiastic I guess I liked my Wii U a lot actually but most people that I knew that got one were like yeah it's kind of a Wii and but your big thing was Mario Kart you played the crap out of mario card 8 incredible if mario card 8 didn't exist i don't think i would look back on the wii u at nearly as positively yeah there were cool things about it but really it was a mario card 8 machine so if you really loved mario card 8 the wii u was a banger of a console yeah but if not more like that that cool uh four player dude uh side scroller this is the reason why it would still look good to me because uh i think it was mario brothers wii u something or mario brothers you that's what it was um you could you could play four characters playing the actual side scrolling game and then you had one like kind of god mode character that could like put down little platforms for them which ultimately turned into as someone was jumping you put down a platform in their way so that they smack into it and fall down you troll your friends that was really fun the actual like unique controller tablet thing was actually really cool um but anyways the the buyers of the switch the steam deck not the switch um are like really into it like i see a surprising amount of them on planes oh yeah all the time oh yeah and there's that like wait what's that and maybe that person who asked that question isn't going to buy it now because it's like kind of two years old at this point whatever three and a half but and a half sure wow that's wow it's been a while um but they might get interested in other handhelds they might wait for the next one whatever but it's it's that first one that doesn't necessarily sell as crazy as it could just because it wasn't as known and it's quite a daring piece of technology to put out there like my goodness especially with um steam os but the i suspect the next one will do even better.

2:13:19I heard back from Dave

2:13:26on the holidays. Sorry. So yeah. Sorry, Mr. Calls. We do have time to try between Black Friday and Boxing Day. Plan was to hold out until the holiday promotions are over to minimize stacking discounted cards on additional discounted offers. Yes. So that was my understanding too. but apparently we ran it now anyway. We'll be tracking redemptions to see how customers spend the cards over time. Okay. Well. Hope you wanted a cash injection. Nope. I'm okay right now. I was... Well, I don't know what to say then. All I managed to do today was take a 10 % bite out of what was going to be the Black Friday cash injection.

2:14:16Yeah. Oh, whatever. You know what? Merry Christmas. Yeah, they'll be fine. They'll be alright. They already got everything. Who cares? Speaking of not having everything, South Korean government loses 858 terabytes of data in fire. Whoa. Yikes. A battery fire on September 26th consisted of 384 battery packs, resulted in the destruction of 96 government computer systems. While 95 of those systems did have some form of backup, one system, known as the G-Drive, G meaning government, not Google, reportedly couldn't have a backup system due to its large capacity. Couldn't is a big word. That's not true.

2:15:10Rendering all 858 terabytes completely gone. G-Drive was used by staff to store documents and allocated 30 gigabytes of space per public official. So it's all their personal stuff. That's brutal. The Ministry of the Interior and Safety originally issued guidelines that all work materials should be stored on the G-Drive. Wow. That's nuts. As for the other 95 computers that did have backups, only 62 % were backed up daily with the remaining 38 % backed up monthly. that's a big jump uh leaving additional data loss concerns oh so there's more than 858 terabytes lost nice uh wow overall the fire impacted government email online postal services petition services and the national 119 emergency service i don't actually know why everyone uses different ones um 119 feels very inspired by 911 that's a very that's a very north america centric point of view how do you know 911 wasn't inspired by 119 telephone prove it who made telephone it was probably the way that i described i can't guarantee that but i'm just guessing what emergency emergency services number was first okay AI go 999 wow wrecked sure why don't we all just use that absolutely wrecked sure well okay that doesn't actually that doesn't prove any point that doesn't prove any point you're talking like you're sounding like someone who was wrecked that doesn't prove any point someone who doesn't know That doesn't prove any point at all.

2:16:56It proves that 911 is not the right one. Sure. So 911 should be 999 then. Sure. And 119 should just also be 999. Sure. Why does it change? 999 was a bad first choice. Yeah, I kind of think you should change it at least once. 999 was for rotary phones. Oh, that's interesting. But that would take too long. Yeah. That would take a really long time. You can't do it accidentally. Yeah. okay i mean some kids still good debate 119 versus 911 no i don't think i need to uh anyways yeah moving on so it was more than 858 terabytes that they lost um since the incident one employee involved in the data recovery process has taken unalived yeah themselves four other individuals have been arrested and are actively being investigated on whether professional negligence may be have contributed to the fire Honestly, blaming the employees at this point is the least based thing that you could possibly do.

2:17:56I think it's time to just own the responsibility that you didn't feel like spending another, you know, hundred grand on another petabyte of data to have a second copy of this stuff. And wow. The South Korean government has reported a recovery rate of only 17.8%. Oh, with a full recovery expected to take a month. how are they possibly hoping to get a full recovery of this if it burned down and there wasn't a backup that just sounds like nonsense i mean i'll be honest with you they mean no there's no way as someone they mean the services as someone who has lost data from a petabyte project it was a very conscious decision i made the decision fully understanding that i wasn't backing up this data to not back it up based on cost that was the only reason that we didn't back it up because that data was not essential so it was all archived projects and i didn't feel like spending money on it so yeah to hear anything other than we didn't back this up because we didn't feel like spending money on it is horse shit and i throw it at you i have no I have no idea on the legitimacy of this, but it's Mullets in full-playing chat said the fire also happened on the same day investigation was supposed to start on corruption-related things.

2:19:21Oh. Okay, so there's more to it. Maybe. I don't know. That's not from our notes. I have no idea. Oh no. Nene says they did have two copies on the same system in the same data center. You knew what I meant, Nene!

2:19:44all right are we talking about wait have we finished sponsors yet thing no uh no we have one topic left so we should probably do those right now yeah i won't and then we can talk about the steam machine after that oh okay once i get it back together youtube no longer perma bans people it used to be that youtube took steps wait shouldn't we do the Sponsors? I thought you wanted to do a topic. We have to do the sponsors so that we have one topic left after that. We'll have After Dark after that. So we do sponsors and then After Dark? Yeah. Okay. After Dark is great. People love After Dark. They'll stay for After Dark.

2:20:22Okay, sure. It's the best part of the show. Yeah. I just force my way through the rest of it. I only like After Dark. Pretty much.

2:20:33I'm kidding. We have to wade through the topics so we can get to the real juice. Anyway, so it used to be that YouTube would perma-ban you, and then you were perma-banned, and they took steps to prevent you from creating a new account. Well, now YouTube believes in second chances. Our long-held approach of enforcing lifetime terminations can be difficult for creators. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, appeals. Starting today, some previously terminated creators will have the opportunity to request a new YouTube channel. this is a fresh start you can re-upload any of your prior videos that are within our community guidelines how will you decide who gets a new channel oh god man there's some stuff that just like heavy there's people that really should not be let back on the platform whether the creator committed particularly severe or persistent violations whether the creator's on or off platform activity harmed or may continue to harm the youtube community community like channels that endanger kids safety.

2:21:35That's good. Not everybody seems to be that concerned with holding accountable people who endanger kids safety. There's some files, I think, that there's probably some people are hoping would burn down in a government data center fire. But, I don't know, at some point Yeah, we should probably release those files. All of them. Every single part. Should release all of them. Don't leave anything out. What about monetization? You can apply for it. Okay. Man, I'm having real mixed feelings on this. I feel like having this be like, at our discretion, maybe some people will maybe be allowed, is a huge can of worms.

2:22:18And I just don't understand why they would open it up. Because if they don't let someone back, they're making like, they're making, because everything's polarized now. Oh, yeah. If they don't let someone back, they are making a specific judgment about that specific individual. And if they do allow someone back, they are making a specific judgment about that specific individual. Like, there was this, one of the first channels that I was aware of being banned, probably wasn't the first channel to ever be banned, but it was a big channel. And it getting banned was like kind of a big deal, was this channel called David's Farm.

2:22:53And it was kind of a lot of what it sounds like. just like uh you know it was one a very early like farming youtube sure channel but there was like very unsafe very disgusting animal cruelty stuff that happened oh and just egregious violations of you know anything that would be considered remotely acceptable for upload to youtube and I'm sitting here going like, would they let someone who, content warning, extremely graphic description incoming. So mute your mic for a second and I'm gonna go like this when it's safe. Mute your mic, your headphones, yeah. Like this is a channel that took a live pig, pinned it down and chainsawed it in half while alive.

2:23:47Safe now.

2:23:51um why that that is a person that clearly is disturbed in the head um and does not need to share anything they have to say with anybody sorry that i'm standing by that yeah um

2:24:12you know so if i see something like that come back i'm sitting here going no lifetime ban was the right kind of ban you know i i don't know dude i don't like that is that like that's it's monstrous you know um yeah there's a lot of people saying that it has to do with uh trump's ban so oh so this is just a policy to have something to point at when they violate what previously would have been the policy and reinstate an account you think it's that simple they're just it might be i just i've seen some comments about this i i have no idea where's the money thing we don't have any notes on that i don't know anything about it i thought trump's ban was overturned like quite a while ago but like you said maybe it's just something to point to now no idea interesting i honestly didn't even know he was banned off youtube oh yeah yeah it was after the um January 16th oh yeah that makes sense but he was reinstated in 2023 yeah I don't know so

2:25:26who knows yeah moon pies what a time to be alive it's gonna be after dark in a minute let's get through a couple more slits that sounds like two minute papers I mean What? What a paper Time to be alive I love that man What do you want? This Yeah From him After the sponsor spots Okay For the love of God Okay The show is brought to you today by Whatever Luke didn't read already Start with Squarespace Hey Luke Knock knock Who's there? Definitely not A door-to-door salesman Because they probably got an awesome website instead Built with Squarespace It's really easy to do Thanks to professionally curated templates That'll get you started off right They also adopt a code-free Drag-and-drop approach to customization With their Fluid Engine Editor So practically anyone can bring their vision to life If you ever get stuck on anything With a few quick prompts Their AI tools can lend a hand And if you're selling tangible goods or even services You can take payments directly from your site With support for all major credit cards and other popular methods.

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2:28:55I don't know what exactly. Maybe he just got the light to turn on or something. Is it boot? I don't know. No screen, I guess? Yeah. Okay, well, we'll see what happens. I guess you want to give me your HDMI cable? Sure. Dude, I'm so stoked. I don't want to throw my phone. There we go. It's been intermittent. My power cable is not here anymore. crunched a bunch of cables in there maybe when they tried to reassemble it I don't know what you're talking about he's blaming me can you believe he's blaming me I don't think he was oh he was Dan you were blaming me right no I don't know might have been sent from factory like that see

2:29:43British humor actually it's the funniest you know I mean it wasn't in your position for so many years. I just assumed he meant somebody else. No. He wouldn't take shots at some random. I mean, it was a blameless accusation. See, you can tell from his tone. You can tell from his tone how blameful it is. I've seen enough insides of things that just blame a general person, and then they can be guilty. See, he blamed the general. Oh, I wonder if the front button is actually... Make sure not to dock someone with pulling up the sign-in. What? I mean... I think the sign-in is probably going to be a username.

2:30:32Worst case scenario, I think we're probably going to be okay. Watch it be like full first and last name of a Valve employee. I know, right? I mean, it'd be pretty funny. There's no way they still work there. They haven't even noticed, have they? Gabe Newell. Oh, hey, look. Look, it glows. We're going to bring it over here, though, Dan. Yeah, why is it over here? We want to put it on the screen so people can see. Well, in fairness to him, the first thing I said was, Dan, why don't we just do it over there? Did you take away the power cable? He needs the power cable. Can I have that, please? Come on.

2:31:09Hey.

2:31:15Okay.

2:31:20Dan, you hit the mic.

2:31:25God. Some people's kids, man. Okay. Should we move the banner so they can see it light up? He just sat down. We don't need it. No, no, we don't. Is that opaque or is it transparent? You know what? Just add a bit more translucency. That way people's merch messages can still show. Yes. Please. Yes. thank you hey there we go did you uh what did you push it correctly what the heck yeah who broke it now smart guy as far as I can tell Linus had it back for like a minute and just destroyed everything no way that was no that sounds I destroyed nothing that sounds lower accurate no I destroyed nothing that sounds lower accurate to me stop I'm just not sure if this fan's gonna be able to spin the mount on it is broken yeah it's really temperamental oh okay so it broke it broke yeah I think maybe it's broke again I wanna display oh that was barely in there it was in there that was barely in there you don't know how to plug things in I know I'm plugged things in.

2:32:47Plug in the freaking cable. It was plugged in. Dude, he pulled it out with like one one hundredth of a pound of force. Oh. Is it off again? No, it just hasn't turned on in a while. I plugged it in. No, you did not. I did. You did not at all. I did plug it in. You did not. I did. They can't see it. It was not properly plugged in. It was plugged in. At all. You know what? It's possible. Dan, what do you think? I don't know. whoever plugged it in last time probably didn't plug it in. It was on here like this. I probably plugged it in until it hit this. It was very difficult to plug in. It's a Linus's defense.

2:33:26I think that's probably what happened is I plugged it in and it felt like it moved and then it hit this thing right here because it hangs down a little bit. Yeah, that makes sense. The power cable has a bit of a box. Is there an output at all? Checking. That's what it was before. oh yeah that seems to be yeah that's the last frame it had i have 800 by 600 oh okay so that's probably a biosplash screen then let me so your loot laptop you took the storage drive out of it dan how the hell are we supposed to boot it well the fact that it turned on i think is good enough um i'll bring that over back in one sec let's just make sure that we can get oh well i mean yeah we wanted to see what that was why we were going to show the screen.

2:34:11I didn't even know it was going to work five minutes ago. That's fair. I am happy we got the ring.

2:34:21He wants it to not work. It's better for camera. No, I want it to work. Sorry, I forgot that was in our script. You know, fail for content or whatever? That's all we do. That is not a principle for us. He did mean to pull it in properly. Core tenant. But he just knew the views...

2:34:40What? What do you do? He dropped the drive directly onto the motherboard. That's amazing. You can't make this stuff up, dude. It's just... It's a padded drive. It's cushioned. Oh my goodness. This man's an icon. Oh man. Alright, we'll see how this goes. Alright. Well, maybe it won't. we can do yeah that yeah we can he was gonna say we can start merch messages while we tinker around with this uh sure yeah let's see dan have you been doing merch messages at all well we have uh had like 300 so i've been trying um oh my god this is some of these oh my god this Dude, this is fucked. We're good. This guy bought$300 in gift cards.

2:35:43Is anybody buying anything other than gift cards? Some people said they might buy stuff. Oh my god. Someone bought the gift card and super discounted swim trunks. And a pin. Well, the pin was free. Fuck.

2:36:04we had a deal, you guys. You're gonna buy profitable stuff. Oh my god, so many people are buying like$250 gift cards or like multiple$100 gift cards. What is this order? $242. A$100 freaking gift card. Okay, no, you bought a couple ScribeDrivers. Thank you, Jacob, for being a team player. so i'm gonna jump in the incoming and help dan okay uh uh i mean uh dan left he just left he was there and he left i might have too luke we're on our own now we could do it we're fine oh well that's the that's the steam machine so much for that um okay so should i just do curated ones on my own i can read it to you if you want no i'll do it i'll to it joseph b writes what ho when showers i managed to see the joseph musical in the summer it was great and brought back memories just wondering what makes it special to linus may i suggest pc build guide the musical you know with riley's talents that could actually be pretty great some of those sponsors i feel like i would absolutely over your power button just a heads up the whatever the most recent one was uh oh on the underwater the underwater um yes that one spot on there is hilarious i think i watched it twice or three times yep oh dude amazing um special i think a lot of people from the thumbnail by the way might have assumed that was another like pool cleaner or something yeah we're working on updating the thumbnail i think we're going to change the thing in my hand to a boom box so then it seems like a good idea a little less obviously a product the reason we used that bluetooth speaker was just because it seemed like so a it tied into the initial research i did trying to find a solution where it was just a bunch of stupid bluetooth speakers that advertise themselves as being waterproof but actually what they meant was can get splashed on a little bit not like under so i searched for underwater speaker and i ended up with a bunch of stupid bluetooth speaker so it was kind of it was kind of supposed to tie in with that and also it just clearly looks like a speaker you know to the modern audience but i think that the boom but to your point i think it looks sponsored but it's not it's super i understood it wasn't which is why i clicked on it but it immediately looked very yeah so i think if we change it to a boom box above the water then that will sell it a little bit better as what it is um anyway what's special about it for me is I think it was one of the first musicals I ever saw.

2:38:51I went with my auntie and it was just such a great show. It was such a magic, awesome experience. It set off what turned out to be a lifelong love of musical theater, live theater in general. And Donnie is just such an incredible star. It was when Donnie Osmond was playing Joseph. And so yeah, when I saw it most recently with him playing pharaoh it was such a cool like full circle moment and it was just magic man it's it's a it's a great show it's just pure fun it doesn't oh my god it booted up uh show the people uh yeah i would like to do you want to use luke's cam or my cam rather

2:39:38uh dan can you push the button push the button i did oh oh is there pastor well no yeah i mean you'll have to move the camera Dan because it's not pointed at the yeah he's tethered with headphones this is hilarious also your producer cam thing is up right just go to the wide you can only do two things at a time okay there you go nailed it perfection okay just you're good Dan it's fine it's good enough we don't have a keyboard though Dan oh my god does it need something well i mean i yeah it depends if we've and he's gone um cool good merch message i'm gonna archive it now uh adam r writes greetings dll it is genuinely hard to pitch slash explain youtuber merch and there isn't really a better term have you considered brand names for your clothing outside of ltd store uh linus textiles that one's free uh we are going to transition to using more creator warehouse branding for like our blank products with the idea being that eventually maybe other creators would use our blanks as well beyond that i think we've discussed switching over to ltt rather than linus um and then ltt store could still just work and we just kind of move away from the linusness like our old stealth hoodie for instance was like a black on black so it was still stealthy but it just had like linus tech tips and giant text down the arm we very rarely put my name on anything anymore and that's that's highly intentional um dan is doing things over there so i'm just gonna switch over to that camera but yes it has occurred to us but right now our overall sales volumes are so relatively low that splitting out and creating a new product line with a different brand i feel like all it would really serve to do is split our run rate and i don't see how we could how we could justify it we still honestly speaking are not that good at selling outside of promoting it through our like youtube channels we still have a lot to learn about marketing without leaning on the YouTube channels as a crutch.

2:42:04Unique username says, Linus, that was the opposite of stealthy. That was a shiny Linus. Cringe. It wasn't shiny. It was like, it was like matte black on black. Yes, I agree. It's too much. And that's why we don't do it anymore. But I really don't think it was shiny. I don't think I can agree with that. Sorry. Luke and Linus, writes Gabriel. You've talked about making sandals in the past. Have you thought about making boots or FR clothing? Work in the oil and gas industry and FR is required. P.S. Play Pay Day 3. You mean like fire resistant? Yeah, flame, yeah. Yeah, so we looked at doing flame retardant, like either like the base material itself or with coatings on the workshop jacket.

2:42:58and ultimately um i forget whether it was due to like the chemical nature or we really liked the material we were using and it just wasn't or if it was a certification thing we're very low volume like that's the thing to um to kind of remember always is that we are you know a big youtuber super organization but a little bitty company in the grand scheme of things like we are we are ants under which the giant boots of companies like nestle descend upon and crush like we're we're not a huge player in the grand scheme of things so um like this is impacting our ability to do cables for instance our usb cables are coming but certain display cables not going to name any names have just unbelievable fees um associated with every single skew at every single length that could prevent us from being able to make that type of display cable at all because we just we just don't do that kind of volume so no plans for fire resistant clothing in the near future as for boots very unlikely as well doing doing boots requires different molds for every single size and i mean i i feel like you could you could probably go to like a chinese boot factory or something like that and they'd be able to do the molds for you for a fraction of what you'd be able to do somewhere else but between tariffs and between it being very challenging to control the quality of a product like that i just don't really see what we'd be adding to the boot category if that situation ever changes if we find a really outstanding you know factory and we find a really outstanding reason for our boots to exist never say never but there are absolutely no plans for the near future also duly noted on the payday recommendation oh wow um i can do a couple more if you want no idea how to read this but here's a merch message from this yeah love from china do you think that it is ethically defensible for Apple to apply double standards when it comes to trading profit for surrendering iCloud servers to our government.

2:45:43What would you do if you were in our situation? No, I don't think it's defensible at all. I mean, this is one of the things that drives me so nuts about Apple. And it's one of the things that Apple users flipping hate when I talk about because there is no defense of this you can't get on stage and talk about how important user privacy is to you you can't beat your chest and talk about how uncompromising you are about user privacy when you have user data in data centers that the Chinese government has unlimited access to I'm sorry but you don't get to do that and yeah Yeah, the Chinese government would probably just lock Apple out of the Chinese market if they refused to surrender that access.

2:46:40But that's, them's the brakes then. So you can't say privacy first, profit second, if actually when push comes to shove, it's the other one. And look, it's not like Apple's any different from the vast majority of other companies who would make the same decision. Fine. Just own it then. That's all I'm asking. Just don't bullshit me. Just say, yeah, we, you know, we'll comply with whatever laws in order to make sure that we can continue doing business in whatever key region. Just say that then. don't don't pretend to be better than anybody that's all

2:47:30next up um

2:47:37okay okay so we're in the bios uh is our is our boot drive showing up yeah i didn't see it there yeah there it is oh cool okay man that is a that is a fun looking bios look at man did BIOSes get so boring? Yeah, look at that.

2:47:55Oh,

2:48:00like CSM or something? No, not CSM. The stupid legacy boot mode. Hold on. Just go to exit. Go to the exit one. Because sometimes the exit tab will just have a boot to this particular device. Oh, yeah, this one too.

2:48:16Nope. No dice. Yeah, back to boot then? hard drive boot priorities, boot option one. I mean, if it shows up as a boot option, theoretically, it should just go, right? Oh, legacy only. Want to change storage to either? Oh, no, UFI only. Okay, so we already tried legacy then. Do you want to try UFI? Sure. Okay, let's see what happens.

2:48:41F10. If F10 doesn't work, it's illegal. Okay. Okay. Put them in jail. BIOS jail. Yep. Kevin B asks, Linus, any updates on your daily driving of the AirPods Pro 3s? I'm really looking forward to hearing your thoughts after using them for a while after your fiery first impressions on short circuit. I flew to Dallas, Texas earlier this week. The noise cancellation on the AirPods Pro 3s is so good that on a jet aircraft, I could have just as easily been cruising at like 50 miles an hour on the highway. Wow. Like, wow. It is so good that I actually kind of wish that Apple had like a staged or a faded, like a gradual change from anc to transparency mode is it shocking because it's jarring sometimes you turn off transparency like oh dang it's loud in here like it like you get adjusted to it um well i find the transparency mode on mine is louder than not having the headphones in the transparency mode on the airpods pro 3s is also just outstanding it's very natural like even my own speech is quite natural, which is very difficult to do as far as I can tell, because almost nobody executes it very well.

2:50:20Sometimes the audio quality doesn't bother me, but there are certain situations where it is just not very good. Now, I have heard that there's a new update, and I have finally figured out my transition problems over to the iPhone Air. So once I pair my AirPods Pros to this, I should be able to apply the latest firmware update. Oh, I should actually add that to my notes for the review that if Apple hasn't dealt with this yet, I haven't actually checked if they haven't dealt with this yet, but if Apple still hasn't dealt with there being absolutely no way to update the firmware on AirPods pro threes unless you also have an iphone that is like should be criminal basically you should be able to apply updates to your device simply by having your device can you do it through oh wait maybe some i think someone might have mentioned before that you might be able to do it through itunes can you do it through itunes on pc someone let me know let me know in the chat um can you i'll just make a note for myself can you update without iphone boop okay now i got that in there that is something that i want to talk about one way or another um i think that's all i kind of have to say for now they still aren't as comfortable for me but i think i figured out why they did it because wow do they ever stay seated in your ear canal okay so you know i have those problems with the iem's staying in my ear canal so i use the kind of older um version where it doesn't go in your ear.

2:52:00Yeah. Just earbuds. Earbuds instead of IEMs. But I got the AirPods Non-Pro 4 is I think its proper name. And that has ANC and transparency mode. And honestly, they drive me nuts and I wish I just had the old ones. And I still use the old ones sometimes, but my old ones, the battery life in the right ear is really bad. So it'll die way before the other one, which sucks. Why don't you just replace the battery?

2:52:30f***ing got them get trolled um the reason why i don't like them so much is because because you don't have that insert from the iem's the seal is really bad yeah and even in transparency mode it'll be like trying to figure it out and it'll just start going like crazy and it's like percussion against your ear it gets really intense um so i don't know it's annoying especially when you're like moving around doing stuff they'll move slightly in your ear and then the seal will break and just again it's like man i find it really annoying to be honest with the seal it's good and man i gotta say i i wake up with them both still in my ears which is pretty incredible like my pro twos fall out during the all the time when it makes seal it sounds great yeah and like the the anc and the transparency mode is amazing all kinds of fantastic you just got to figure out how to wear in ears or in canal i need those spring clips to be a thing nice i need to bring that back classic yeah let's see uh did we did we give up on this i can't get it past the black screen of death okay cool so hardware that says hardware uh it could just be that this drive is empty yeah yeah uh wouldn't say, hey, boot, stop it.

2:53:51Give me boot device. Not necessarily. I've seen this behavior before, personally. I tried. We should crank the transparency back up and make it purple. Nice. Oh, I forgot to do so many things. It's all good. I can read the next one. Dan, you're doing great. I'll skip the one. Yo, Luke, what Linux distro do you use and how has the experience been considering Linux myself? For the last little bit, I've been dual booting because there's some stuff I need to do in Windows that I could have VMed and stuff, but that was proven to be annoying. So I've been dual booting. But on the Linux side on my laptop, I've been using Arch.

2:54:30The reason why I picked Arch wasn't to be a I'm better at Linux than you, dude. It was to prove that. It was just because I'm a better than Linux than you, dude. No, no, no. And I'm good enough to run Arch. No, no, that's fine. You don't have to say it. With relatively little knowledge, experience, or effort. You will say it, but you don't have to. With relatively little knowledge, experience, or effort, I have been able to run it just fine for months now. Totally just fine. No problems. Updates. All that stuff. And it's been great. And, like, I don't game on my laptop much, but I have Steam installed, and I can play a game every now and then, and it's been very transparent.

2:55:10Like, the... It doesn't feel like, oh, I'm using Steam, trying to pull all these levers, and do all these crazy things to get these games to work. It's a download button. It's a play button. It's just like you're on Windows. Like, it's very easy. So, yeah, the whole goal of this, honestly, was to be able to basically talk about it on Wancho and point out that it's been fine, and I picked the one that's hard. And the reason for that was to show how great you are. No, it wasn't. Even though it's hard. The point was that I've done nothing. there's no there's no skill involved there's no skill so if you can't do it oh wow you must be beyond no skill because i am so godlike at running linux it took no skill at all oh my god there was at the intel event in arizona that we were at there was like linux nerds there asking me linux questions because they heard that i was running it and i kept on being like i don't know it's not the point the point is that i don't have to do all these things and it's still good like that's the point.

2:56:14That's the interesting part. So like I, if I were you, wouldn't necessarily pick Arch. It's not against Arch. Hathel says Luke is swinging his Luke around the room as usual.

2:56:27Giant Linux dong. Oh my god. The point is that you can pick the one you want and it's probably going to be fine. Go have fun. I wish the rest of us could have picked it. Oh my god. Up next? yeah sadly no infinite money glitch on gift cards no gift cards with gift cards what game is luke playing right now did you ever finish baldur's gate the third no you still haven't finished it you talk so much about how many characters how many characters are you on uh i think more one i think more than eight more than eight i'm pretty sure more than i got super far through a dirge run and then was just like, I have like three different single player campaigns.

2:57:12I can only play this 15 hours a day. Like, there's not enough time. I have a hard time not doing everything. Yeah. And I have this style. That must cost you a lot in chicken. That's actually a really good joke for Baldur's Gate.

2:57:34I even like bears. Oh my. Both kinds. Oh my. uh he kind of is both kinds i guess but anyways uh everyone's player sexual off that topic um frick what was i gonna say yeah i i my one of my favorite ways to play with new people um is to not be the party face like make them be the party face um that's like playing the charisma character or the character that will do the dialogues basically because i've like done all the things in act one and act two my goodness in act one and act two so do you really just think of them as things that just toys to his masculinity just chicken consumption they just eat your chicken and then they're just you discard them you might be a wizard actually it could be poisoned um arcane chicken so so my whole like yeah my whole thing is letting that because every once in a while they're even if even if very small there will be one little tiny thing that i haven't really experienced before but if i'm just making the decisions all the time it's gonna be hard to do that because it's very likely that i'll just do the types of things that i would normally do even doing things in different orders can kind of change how the game plays so I have so many campaigns that are in act 2 I have a few different campaigns that are in act 3 I have a ton of campaigns that never made it out of act 1 someone who I'd love to start playing with again I'd have to have a house together and my computer set up and stuff like that but I started a game with Wendell and he this was like right early on in the game coming out and he selected Dirge without knowing oh what the hell what and wendell's like the kindest nicest dude ever and then his character's just oh doing dirge things and he's like ah that was i don't like this game very much i would i would love to start playing that again um but yeah i don't know i'll beat it eventually i'm in no particular rush um why would you have to beat it if you have all your things to use let's move on like Luke does from his thing you're such an animal you're such an animal what comes immediately to your mind as the biggest news you've ever discussed what comes immediately to your mind as the biggest news you've ever discussed on the WAN show I don't know maybe Silicon Valley Bank Facebook buying open AI what uh facebook buying oculus oh other o company yeah not yeah not that um that was a big one for me that's that big that was a big one for me yeah um biggest news biggest news like the silicon belly bank thing was big but like i mean it didn't impact you or me exactly yeah or most of them what was the biggest news to us ceo stepped down yeah i guess i mean would you say it's impact it's changed that much around here well you can say it did like i'm fine it depends on how you like in in people's very average day-to-day i don't necessarily think it's changed a ton but there are certain things that have changed very significantly I would say tactful he's learning um not enough because you noticed so yeah whatever I mean like whatever political bullshittery I taught you a lot of it so

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3:01:39And to be clear, the point is not to deceive. The point is to evade.

3:01:50To speak without saying. It's pretty good, though. Thanks. Yeah. Man, what am I... I don't know. yeah chat gpt release was pretty wild says camsta bro but i just wonder if there's like a recency bias there that was a bit ago oh yeah yeah so it was the like crazy stream where we were like freaking out over yeah that was uh that's probably a couple years ago years ago ish i think yeah

3:02:29see what else yeah the hack we didn't like announce on the WAN show though like it like happened before yeah the youtube video was kind of the big deal with the hack i think not so much the stream we did we did talk about it on the stream but the news was already broken for sure yeah you know what i think i think the chat gpt one was pretty big in terms of like i think that's impact on the world that feels correct yeah yeah okay yeah let's go with that when chat gpt released this is a steph dot in floatplane chat it was the first time in a while where i realized i was living in a history defining moment.

3:03:07I think it was for us too, which is one of the reasons why I agree. I think that's probably the... Almost three years. Really? Whoa. Yeah. That seems crazy. Yeah. Wow. The charged nuclei 8300 goes, yeah, everyone was worried about losing their jobs. Now we're losing our jobs. Yeah. Yeah, but it's usually not AI to be honest. it's it's except when it is yeah a lot of those have eventually come out as like um layoff excuses because they wanted to do layoffs not because they this is true yeah this is true it's returned to work and laid off because of ai is usually they actually just wanted to do layoffs regardless and they found an excuse a lot of the ai replacing people thing isn't actually really like working i had i had a i've been doing home stuff was at home depot bought a thing walked up to the desk i was trying to figure out like is this self-checkout or not because there was employees standing by like most of them and the person walked up to me took my stuff and then did the self walked it to the self-checkout thing i've seen that did it for me and then just walked away and I was left to like pay and I was like how is this better?

3:04:26Like what are we doing? Scrappy DP says Billet Labs no. You know they did one production run of that thing? Did they? Aren't they doing more stuff now though? I think they have a YouTube channel and whatever. But the actual product that I said was irrelevant ended up having exactly enough relevance for them to do one pre-order one production run and then never make it again. so no i don't think that was a particularly consequential uh thing brian asks illd what are your thoughts on the future of discrete intel arc cards particularly higher end given the recent intel nvidia partnership i'd really like a b770 or c 770 to be a thing.

3:05:18We're hoping for the best, man. We're rooting for it. Right alongside you. Bring on future Discreet Arc. It's going to be great if it ever makes it. I am so exciting. So excited. I'm not exciting, but I'm excited. Are you excited? Yes. Is it because I'm exciting? Yeah. I don't think that's right. Oh, stop it.

3:05:45ryan asks asks hi linus do you dream much uh sometimes sometimes i sleep like the living dead other times i wake up and i think i'm mid-conversation with someone and i have no idea where i am or what's going on because i was dreaming so lucidly that i i was pretty sure that i was awake uh so every everywhere in between and uh i have a particular i shouldn't even say particular ones i have like two different kinds of sleeping pills that i use once in a while and i like really need to sleep and my brain's just buzzing um and both of them in different ways give me just the most wackadoodle dreams so i i end up sleeping more but i end up resting less well i have to set alarms or have some really good sunlight exposure in the room the sun coming up will wake me up um but if if i have like blackout blinds or whatever or or even just not a lot of sun exposure into the room i can just sleep forever because i will lucid dream the heck out of it every single night and it's been that way forever um i also have a problem where like if i get woken up say like three hours four hours into sleeping um and then fall back asleep my brain wants to like reset and it's like nah we're going for eight again.

3:07:12Nice. There's no other way and it's it worries me for like when I'm older if I end up needing to do more often like. Charge nuclei with the bangers this week Luke sleeps like a bird. You just put a blanket on him he's like That's actually so true I hate you so much What's a circadian rhythm? Oh dark?

3:07:37That's so true.

3:07:41Because when I go on a plane... No. No. You don't know this, do you? Buddy. When I go on a plane, one of my standard things that I pack in my smaller bag... I'll have my Switch, I'll have some battery banks, whatever else... Is always a sweater. Even when I went to Arizona, I packed a sweater. because i'll put the sweater on backwards so i put the hood over my head and it like blacks everything i hate the the eye covering things um and and it just blacks everything out and i can i like flying back from arizona i think it was like 8 p.m i i am not tired at 8 p.m on any day we get on the plane i was like out before takeoff so yeah that's actually i haven't heard that before that's a very good description shit i can't uh i can't find it right now but a picture of me definitely exists on social media somewhere of my plane move which involves a hoodie as well yeah but i cinch oh i've seen this tight yeah so that only my nose sticks out so that because i can't i can't sleep if i'm breathing back in hood air oh yeah there's like a the reason why i wear the full hoodie is because i i'll like usually lift a thing up down low so that's not enough for me yeah not enough i've got to have the i've got to have the nose hole i definitely don't mind a little bit of recirculated air i can deal with that no problem anonymous ass here it is oh you found it yeah here it is uh yeah that's it no key found it so this is my move so i actually end up with little pressure marks on the bridge of my nose here um but yeah it leaves it leaves my my breathing holes open but that's actually pretty good that's my move that's pretty good oh yeah this too um yeah yeah always hands in the pockets because otherwise i'm usually like this under the sweater right okay yeah yeah oh oh like pulling the arm pulling in out of the arms because i do that i don't actually put the sweater like on it's on reverse oh i see i see so you just lay it on you yeah i'll wear the sweater but i'll pull i'll pull my arms out of the arms and then i'll just go like this yeah yeah yeah i don't care if i'm in my 30s and i look like a child when you're on a plane you just all bets are off you get whatever rest you can yes exactly you get comfy and that's it it doesn't matter anymore yep i know i look like a goof it's fine it doesn't matter to me uh but yeah i like basically wear it like a blanket because that's another thing i find it very hard to sleep unless like something is on top of me but there's been like very significant portions of my life where where i'm sleeping is way too hot so i'll sleep with just a sheet but it just has to be like something um so wearing the sweater like that also like feels like i have a blanket on me i don't know it works i found a system i'm sticking to it hell yeah linus thank you for some great videos this week what was the best part of the planetarium shoot ldt gamer dome win oh definitely climbing the dome that was so sick the fact that there was nobody who actually like worked for the mcmillan space center there to tell me no was like awesome important doll awesome the second you started climbing i was like there's no way they let him do that and then you just kept going i was like what yeah it's amazing massive what did they call it the like nexus speaker or whatever oh shoot what was it not apex uh i shouldn't have said a word something um yeah what was the speaker at the top called does someone remember not pinnacle that's not it i don't think it was someone's gonna know someone's gonna post it in chat but oh really sick name mass zenith yeah zenith whatever yeah so ah so cool dude i it's been it's been you know what the upside is of channel momentum being a little bit low lately is when people make their way back to the channel after the the long pause that they've had there's some bangers they're gonna have an absolute killer back catalog to go through this video is great the thumbnail really i don't know we need to do some more work on it or something because david did just such an amazing job of this video it's so cool we play around with underwater speakers that are for like synchronized swimming teams and we like put it in this guy's pool and he's a local guy and he makes like setups for it in his shop and we tour his shop and it's like freaking awesome this video is funny where you like bait him into jumping into the pool hilarious i didn't do that on purpose oh oh no okay so what happened here oh my god

3:12:47there we go okay so what happened here is i was doing a dry run like we we had done a few dry runs and i was just i was doing one more practice before i was going to be like okay i thought i I thought because there's footage of him, like there's another camera, this one.

3:13:10No, that was not intentional. Oh, it was so good. So I was doing, yeah, literal dry run. Thank you, Conrad. I like it. So I was just practicing the line and I was showing him the timing. So I was showing him how I was going to telegraph the jump because we were supposed to jump in together so that it would look. You guys ended up nailing it. So it would look like this. Yeah, we got it on the next take because we had done a few practices, right? Like the timing was, the camera went right with your head. I actually, I noticed when you guys did it again that I was like, oh damn, that was actually really good.

3:13:42Yeah. Well, because we, that was probably the fourth time that I had sort of telegraphed the move. But then I was changing the intonation. I was changing the timing a little bit. So I was doing it one more time to show them how I was going to do it. Did you tell them that? No, but I also didn't tell them we were going for real this time. so I just did the read for him like being him it's much safer for him to do what he did because he can come out and just like be wet and it's fine yeah you can't really yeah I can't go from dry to wet again yeah so if someone's gonna screw that up it would be him so you know if he has even the inkling of a thought that you're actually going for it it makes sense for him to go for it I will defend the actions of the camera Scrapyard Wars 10 is a banger if you're into that this VR one is freaking awesome did you watch this yet?

3:14:30I have not dude I've had no time this thing is so cool it's a VR headset from 1994 oh I'm going to watch it I just have had because of the house renovations whatever I've had no time freaking awesome oh dude like under viewed videos this one right here is probably the most under viewed video on the channel because it starts out with this like real footage of Ploof's car and it's just me and adam driving right this is probably one of the best intros we've ever done like top three for sure

3:15:22the fact that there's the little like jiggle too that motion platform is so cool so if you haven't seen the video like man what a cool setup is that incredible or what it's a really cool video oh and like dude i've i've made some complaints about how long our videos are now that's a 22 minute video flies like it could have been 45 flies by like it's very dense yep so you know man i don't know it's gonna be it's gonna be a lot of fun for people who have made their way off the channel for one reason or another um and finally find their way back and are just like man why the heck did i stop watching because there's some really really great videos in the in the library lately team's been absolutely freaking killing it do you do the crab thing underwater oh dude did you see the person who like ai'd it onto actual crabs or something yeah yeah the red has been fun it's it's so Oh, bit of a rare moment, but the Reddit has been fun.

3:16:29It's, it is so uncomfortable to look at, but really funny. All right. Hit me, Dan. Linus, you've said you're a big fan of Made in Canada. That show got me into the Tragically Hip. Do you enjoy their music? And did any of you watch their final performance? About a third of the country did. I have to admit, Tragically Hip is one of those bands that I've heard of a billion times. What? You don't? And I probably would know their songs if I heard them. You would know their songs. But I never got into them. I'm sorry. If this helps me redeem my Canadian-ness a little bit, love the Barenaked Ladies, listen to them a lot.

3:17:11That helps. Barenaked Ladies are great. Tragically Imp is fantastic. 100th Meridian is probably my favorite song of theirs. It's not the most popular, but it's probably my favorite one. Also, Arrogant Worms, big fan. hi little.dll saw them live once oh yeah at the at the maple ridge center for the performing arts or whatever it's called maple ridge has like a tiny little theater that seats like 200 people or something adorable and they performed that it was great they did this impromptu song called i pulled my groin i pulled my groin i pulled my groin it just kind of went like that for a while oh pretty great it's a very it's a very if you're into it kind of humor yeah those guys anyway rush my dad's a huge rush fan rush is dope i didn't know they were canadian you know who else is canadian uh-oh almost everybody it's best named band in the world hold on best named saying it ironically band in the world you have to know the story behind it to understand why i would say that chad already guessed it uh simple plan no are they canadian oh yeah Montreal

3:18:27Nickelback Nickelback Why is that Lead singer guy I think it was lead singer guy One of them Used to work at a coffee shop And used to constantly ask people If they wanted their nickel back Because they'd pay in cash And then that's how much change There would be after they bought a coffee $1.95 You know 95 cents You want your nickel back? Yeah I get it Let's name it our band It's a very Abbotsford Their label is 604 Records Yeah Which is kind of cool.

3:18:57Best named band around. What a unique way to name a record table. What a name. All right, cool. NDS Night Shift 31, Carrot Juice's Murder is a great song. Let's listen to this merch message. Luke, you mentioned that you're using Godot. What's the most complex thing you've done so far? Been learning game dev with it myself. love how easy it is to pick up shout out to the godot team shout out to the godot team for sure uh most complex thing i've done so far is not very complex what nipless cage has a late guest for best named band jimmy eat world doesn't abbreviate well on his shirt though

3:19:42i mean not if you don't want to get blamed for everything that's for sure um okay most complicated thing yeah i really haven't done a lot that's super complicated to be honest i know that's a really boring answer but i haven't gotten that far into it um right around when i started using it my my life got very busy and very complicated so i haven't really done a ton of it um wait till you have a kid if you ever do your life is not busy or complicated yet i think birds sound worse no no they're not you don't go to jail yeah and yeah exactly i i you know i'll i'll reference my birds as if they're like kids or whatever every once in a while it's not it no that's not like we've been they've been at the they've been away from us for a long time right now and i'm fine oh yeah they're not gonna like yeah grow up and have to pay therapy yeah it's okay they're not gonna have to do drugs about it They're okay.

3:20:41It's good. It's expensive. That part makes me want to cry myself to sleep, but not them being away from me. I'm excited for them to be back. It'll be nice. I like having them around. They're cool. It's not my child. These things are different.

3:20:57How are the birds? Birds are fine. They're at like the safest place they could possibly be. They're fine. In a coal mine. Nope. That would be a canary, not a budgie. I mean, it'd probably work. A budgie would oh it would work yeah would it work too well yeah i think so actually i think that's kind of the problem i think that is the problem what do you have both of them in the cage and then you could get you could get like different levels be like a thermometer the problem is the budgie i think would just die like just oh i've been outside

3:21:33that would suck it'd be a terrible alarm it constantly goes off it would be the everything's okay alarm yeah true what have you seen the little contraptions that the miners would make to save the canaries crazy have you seen those yeah yeah they're actually i like that they cared yeah it's really nice makes me happy like they needed they only cared because it cost so much to get another one i was like shut up no i don't believe they were a life-saving technology and they felt bad but it was all they had uh up next would you be willing to talk more about your experience with ADHD and working in a world that is not built for it.

3:22:08What's your advice to help others who are struggling to succeed like you have?

3:22:18Good luck.

3:22:23Great advice. Every day is suffering and it doesn't get better. Thanks, Dan. To the winner goes the spoils. See ya. I don't know, man. I mean, so much of, so much of everything is just not accepting any outcome other than success. And to be clear, that's not always going to work. You might just, you might be willing and able to try really hard, but you might just be really dumb, you know, and your ideas might just be really bad. You can still. And it might not, you know, I just mean like, what I mean is just like trying really hard at something that's a bad idea. It won't be a recipe for success.

3:23:13You have to have a combination. You have to have a willingness to win. You have to have, you have to have a fortunate situation. Like, you know, Luke and I often talk about how we grew up without a lot of money, but what we were both lucky to have was supportive families, right? And that's something that is worth more than any amount of money. So we were very privileged in that way, for sure. And so you have to have an opportunity. You have to have just genetic lottery luck. There's a lot of things that have to align for success. um but what every single successful person has in common and i don't mean people who were handed money i don't consider just the act of having money success um but people who who earned a place in the world like what they all have in common is they all worked their butt off and didn't take failure as an option um and so that's yeah that that's it people hate that answer and we've gotten flamed for this answer repeatedly over time yeah it doesn't change the hustle culture hustle culture is toxic the grind set is whatever that's fine neat but then just you know you've got to you've got to define what your goals are yeah exactly but that's not what i'm being asked yeah right like and there's no like there's no i don't know there's no auto win button so when people don't like ados says adhd person trying to focus in order to provide tips on adhd well yeah

3:25:07yeah doing my best over here i will i will never not try hard that's what i uh that's what i told uh badminton insight when they came and did the collab when they like trained me like a pro for the day uh so i did like their professional training regimen and it kicked my butt and they were like i can't believe you're still going and i'm like well that's the only thing that i can offer any coach who has ever coached me is that i will do my absolute best every single time sometimes my best will be trash and i just like i won't hit a single shot um but i will do my best for the entire session and when it's over I will go have a bath and then I will come back the next day and I will do my best and my best might be trash again but dammit I will do my best and that's all I can offer and maybe part of it is just accepting that, that sometimes you're going to do your best and it's going to be trash and you just have to keep doing it anyway because anything else is not going to win you will never win sandbagging it

3:26:18Linus, Alabaster Don, cross-code, quote-unquote, sequel, got a demo. Maybe a while before 1.0, but from the sounds of it...

3:26:32Mm-hmm. You okay over there? Yep. Wishlist. What is this? Where's the demo? You can't tell me Alabaster Don has a demo. You gotta go to the Steam. Not have one. Well, why wouldn't they... about it on their website. It says right there you scroll past it, it's up. You scrolled past it. Oh boy. What are you doing? Where is it? There, in the middle. What, wishlist? That's a wishlist. Yeah, that's not demo. You should talk about the demo. How would you not talk about your demo? Public demo. Here it is. I have to go to the blog. Do they only have one blog? You're like dummies. Everybody says anything has two blogs.

3:27:14Oh, John actually texted me. Hold on. Oh, is he upset? What about secret third blog? You can't make fun of me. We have blogs. He said, sorry about the links and permissions with the forum stuff. This week's been kind of a show for me. Don't worry about it, John. Relax. It's okay. Okay, what do we got here? Alabaster Don Demo. Don't apologize for anything. You have two blogs. Yeah. He has twice as many blogs as this pathetic Radical Fish Games.

3:27:42Imagine we have one blog. Okay, so yeah, you just install it from Steam. First public demo. What is it? Install it right now. Play on the show. Do it. Saves from this demo are expected to be fully compatible with future early access and full versions. Install it now. We hope that you will enjoy a small taste of what's to come. You can also already leave feedback with Steam reviews. Oh, I wonder how the feedback is. Oh, I really hope it's... Leave feedback on a video of this one show by playing it now. I'm not going to play it right now. Why? Because I'm going to wait. We're now a review channel.

3:28:10I'm going to wait. You're going to wait for full release? Oh. No user reviews yet. Oh, dude. if this game is anywhere near as good as I'm expecting it will be a full release it's not early access though which is nice yeah I wasn't questioning it was going to be full release I was saying are you going to wait to play it until full release it's not even announced oh whatever I'll let chat explain it to you oh

3:28:38understood

3:28:42Dan

3:28:46I think he's the absolute recovering from that one. Linus went to Luke and it took a while to get over here to quite far away. Oh! Fire tonight. It's not even the gonorrhea. L and D. We need the explain vid. Oh, that's an incoming. Linus, what's your favorite color? How often are you... How many times are you going to curate this question, Dan? I don't know. Say a color and then we can move on. Oh my god. It's one word. I don't really have a favorite color. It's complicated. Complicated. Moving on. Hi DLL. I don't have a favorite color. Really? I don't have one. I don't have one. I haven't picked it.

3:29:26What's your favorite color? Oh my god. No. What's your favorite band? Okay. Do you like Blink-22 or 741? You want your camera boy? Hi DLL. Have you ordered the Pebble yet? No. They're starting to ship the White Pebble to... Oh. That's a question? I don't know. No, I actually didn't get around to ordering one. Yeah, really? Okay. I'll get in touch. Okay.

3:30:05This might be a Luke question, actually. Last one I've got here. What do you think? Let's try it. Why does certain FODs, like Wanshow on Floatplane, stream very poorly to my TV using Cast? For the last six months, even the lowest quality only plays audio, the video freeze frames. Well, the Floatplane casting feature is... Hot garbage? Questionably existent. and theoretically we haven't put a lot of dev time into it no well neither has Google so it is what it is hopefully theoretically eventually won't be necessarily because we will have a flow plane app for TVs it is not coming soon but we have been working towards it for a while and we will get there eventually I know people have been wanting it we have not been ignoring you we're just a small team it takes us time but it's coming so yeah

3:31:08Sorry. There are, yeah, yeah, yeah.

3:31:16Oliva, I think is the name. Hydrovion is an option. There's a few, I've heard very good things about Hydrovion, but there's a few different options for like open source. Other people made apps for the TVs and stuff. You can use theirs. We want to have a first party version eventually, because that's what people are going to look for. but there are there are other ones that as far as my understanding goes actually work quite well so you can check those out remember correctly i talked to the hydrovan guy a while ago and it was super cool last one i got here linus the leather jacket it has that middle so for the two zippers have both zipper pulls on each right side and tabs on the left this way you can use it without the middle without the second zipper yes that is the plan so this middle section here where there's a second zipper because it's designed by ai yes this side is female and this is male and this is female and this is male so you can actually zip it together and make it like a slimmer fit by taking out the middle section if you want so the stock fit will be a little bit on the huskier side and then you'll be able to make it a slimmer fit by bringing it together and to be clear no it is not entirely designed by ai matthew from our creator warehouse design fashion team um did generate a bunch of leather jackets and so we did take a ton of inspiration from an ai generated leather jacket so it has a bunch of like pockets that don't do anything and like little like straps and stuff that don't attach anything and it has two front zippers which was an ai innovation but it took a lot of work still to turn that ai generated nonsense into something that's actually wearable by a human um and it's going to be awesome we're calling it the jensen i oh actually i haven't reached out lately but i i messaged our nvidia contact like months ago saying like hey what are the odds that we could gift jensen one oh my god and have him like wear it on stage or something like and the ai generated leather jacket you don't think so why not hell no why not i think you should try you should definitely you don't think you would unquestionably you should try you don't think that jensen would like the story of our jacket doesn't have the balls what it's a challenge what kind of a thing to say is that he should do it well yeah he should do it But why would you think that he would not be into wearing a jacket that was designed by AI?

3:33:59Because it's designed poorly in his whole thing is that he wants to show off good AI. But he also talks a lot about AI as a tool for humans to do work. So, like, that's what it was. We used it for design inspiration, and it did some pretty wacky stuff. But as wacky as the stuff is, literally everyone that I showed this jacket to in person is like, that's a super cool jacket. So, yeah, sure. It's covered in a bunch of buckles that have no purpose. But does a leather jacket need a purpose for a buckle other than to look cool? Make it cost an obscene amount of money. And then he'd like it? Maybe.

3:34:43like make it make it come across as like it actually does look pretty good it does look good yeah um what do you float plane chat oh hold on i'm trying to i'm trying to find a good uh i'm trying to find a good shot of it where i'm not just like behind a thing i think it's uh i think it's over here somewhere where do i put on the jacket oh yeah i put on the jacket here what would you guys think real leather this is probably worth like what what would you pay for this you make a tall uh probably not a tall sorry dan i was talking to matthew and said could i request a one-of-one sample tall and pay out the ass for it um i think that if you're giving the money to luke he'd strongly prefer that it was nowhere near your ass he wouldn't even want a dollar if it was from your ass but anyway hold on carry on but he'll take a bathroom one no i said no he said truck stop all those okay someone in full plane chat asked if i'd take one off the floor of a japanese bathroom 400 600 i mean i use them for shower water 200 to 300 pokey brick i don't think you're being very realistic um 400 800 500 to 600 at least 400 i would not real Leather?

3:36:03Like real leather. Actual animals? Yeah. $500,$400,$500. US, that'd be like$600 to$800. I think that much of chat will be happy. Not all of them. And Dan will be pleasantly surprised. I will say that much. I have some idea of pricing now. I'd say somewhere between$350 and$450. That's my guess. That's a very low guess, sir. For leather goods? USD? USD, yeah. That's a very low guess for like real, actual leather with this many things. That many things might change it. I remember, I don't know if you remember this. I had a leather jacket that I wore all the time. No, I don't remember that. When was that?

3:36:52This is a long time ago. Okay. And for not that long of a period of time. But I wore it a lot for a while. No, I don't remember talking about this because you and I both lost like the fanciest jackets we'd ever bought and it wasn't that far apart i think yeah yeah i do remember that it was called so it's from daniel leather oh that's mine too and they like name their jackets like people names yeah and it was luke nice and i didn't know that until i had like picked it and then i was like no way and then when it got stolen i went to go back and buy another one and they were gone um but that was like is daniel leather like real leather is that i think so yep i mean they have different levels of quality mine one was real leather it was the only medium tall like weird knot bomber that's like because like they've got this one oh it's on an insane sale that might explain it they're not doing so hot ah that's a sale if i've ever seen a sale is it only there's only like one size left though that's pretty normal okay so it's like yeah it's only in my inventory size yeah yeah yeah yeah so what's something that's actually let's look at this jacket the asher oh okay wow oh it's my brother's name this is canadian but this is a very simple jacket compared to the one you're showing yes there's really not a lot going on here yep um let's go try to find something a little bit more complicated speaking of canadian artists don't have them that was a little bit more things so complicated

3:38:30the jackson maybe i know he's not but i love just thinking that that guy's just giving you a thumbs up nice what up dude this guy too this guy too hey you want to I mean, that was a little bit more complicated. It's still not anywhere near so as yours. And I think part of the reason why I think it is is because of his under thing that he has going on. So maybe not. But yeah, that's 627.

3:38:57They're just all a lot more simple is what I'm getting out of this. Well, because it's easier to make. That makes sense. Yep. And they're also a mass manufacturer. Ah. Well, good luck us. I hope we sell a few. and I think some people will be pleasantly surprised, including Dan. I added the word designer and immediately found a$38 ,000 jacket. Yep. Cool. What do you got? Let's see it. Let's see it. Is it worth it? Fendi, so no. But I mean, that was an impossible. Oh, it's not even leather. Are companies still making fur? Is this fur? Sheep skin. It's animals. It's lamb, ram, it's male Sheep Really?

3:39:46I thought fur was like This looks like the guy from Game of Thrones almost I don't know his character name or the actor name So good luck Is there just one picture? They went to all the work To get a model And have him put it on And they took one picture? The shirt looks so bad

3:40:09it's like a lot of money i don't like this stuff i'm going away

3:40:17great joy sure i don't know i don't know their names but he looks kind of like that guy if that's the right guy that's all i got our worksman says fur is tremendously out of fashion and Crystal says, yes, fur is still a thing. All right. Wow. Cool. Apparently the British Army still uses Canadian black and brown bear fur. Huh. CatOS says, I'm afraid. Does that count? The answer is no. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye. Would that mean you have to use them? It's so much worse. Skin though? It would be ethical.