Sony Killed Physical Games - WAN Show July 3, 2026

41:57Oh, dude. Yeah. Major CrossCode vibes. Anyway, so I was trying to it was my son actually. This was last night. Now I remember. So I was trying to be like yeah, I bought this new game. Bloody hell, what one was it? I couldn't find a way to sort the damn thing. Yeah, I don't know. I just thought I was kind of stupid. I had that problem recently. Just above the filter, there's a sort by recent activity. Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about. It's not activity though. I haven't launched the game yet. So I sorted it by recent activity and could not find the game that I had just purchased. So like, yeah, I don't know.

42:30Oh my God. No key. Of course. Says, on normal Steam, the only way as far as I know, this is pathetic, is to go to account details, view licenses, product keys, and it's sorted by day of purchase in the form of a list. Yeah. So like, what's going on? Come on! What happened? Did they just like accidentally disable a thing or something? I don't know, but AI hallucinated a way for me to do it in the desktop interface, which made my life even more difficult because I was trying to follow along with hallucinated instructions. Oh, that's funny.

43:09So annoying. Another thing I would like is, like, let's see here. Skirvin Tarkov does not play on Linux. I know that. And it's on the front page, so it's easy. should i be going to your screen sure i just i i had this recently where i was looking at something oh i saw marathon was on sale is marathon on a full screen your steam interface just so it doesn't look so messy sure um i don't know if it's going to be up here yeah whatever i'm just going to keep using tarkov because i know tarkov doesn't work uh but this is also windows so it wouldn't show up anywhere but uh you know how you can sort your games like if i go to my library and again it's not going to be here because i'm on windows but there's usually a little penguin icon and you can click it and then it'll only show games that work on Linux.

43:55I don't know necessarily what the threshold for that is but sure why not. It would be pretty cool if when I'm in the store and maybe it's here and I just couldn't find it but it'd be pretty cool if when I'm in the store it would show the ProtonDB rating and have a link to ProtonDB for it so I could click on it. So if it's like gold I could click on it and see why it's not platinum or whatever. That'd be pretty neat. While we're coming up with wishlist features. I love yours, by the way. That's really good. Can we make it so that when I look at a game in my library, so here, let's go with Alabaster Dawn.

44:32Okay. Why does this page look like but? And why is it that none of these other tabs here are not but? Why is it that if I want to see the not but version of this game's information, where there's like cool trailers and cool artwork and stuff. I have to go to store page, wait for that to load. And then all the cool information about it, like how many players it supports and if it's local multiplayer and all this interesting stuff only shows up on the store page. I think this is actually genuinely one of the reasons why I said looking through the Steam library is just kind of, eh. Because you click on stuff, you click on...

45:13This is so unexciting. Yeah. this does not make me excited to play the game why do you only care about exciting me when i'm on the store page yeah this is so much prettier and better yeah like if i want to access like reviews and stuff what if i want to look at the reviews of a game i bought why is that not just here there's also like and you know i i can't be the only person watching this that that does this the summer sale is on right now right steam has had incredibly legendary sales for many many years I remember when they first started doing things like the summer sale. Yes, I'm that old.

45:47How insanely exciting they were and how much disgusting amounts of money I spent on it. There are a bunch of games I'll find during one of these sales through, you know, super deep discounts or going through the like discovery queue or whatever else. And I'm like, oh, wow. Yeah, that actually looks really cool. And it's like pretty good rating. I'll pick that up and I'll pick up like three or four different games and then not have time to play them and then see them in my Steam list like a year later. I do not even remember why you were excited for it. And I just see the title. I don't even remember what kind of game it is.

46:18I don't remember if it's a shooter. I don't remember if it's an RTS. I don't remember if I bought it because it's a co-op game. I don't... I basically just have to go to the store. Okay. Hold on. Someone in Anahikad, or however I pronounce that, in Floatplane Chat says you can click this little info thing here, and it gives you some information, like full controller support, and the developers, Radical Fish Games. But then if you click another game, it goes away. You have to click that every time. It also helps a little bit, but I'd still just rather go to the store page. Why is it that random patch notes seem more important than...

46:52I have maybe read one of those patch notes probably less than five times in my life. With that said, once again, big picture is better for this. So this may be the kind of thing where, Luke, you just need to... Use big picture more? Join the current year and use Big Picture more. Is that a thing? Although even this, no, no, actually this is just as bad. So this needs to be fixed where it's just like, yeah, Boca Bola added Far Cry 4 to their library. Who cares? Who even is that guy? You know what would be a lot better than this? JK, I know who that is. You know what would be a lot better than that, in my opinion, is a Friends Recently Active, like in this particular game.

47:36I think that would be really cool. Yeah, we have played previously, and we have on their wishlist. Played previously doesn't, to me, mean like anything. Top right of the game. Played recently with an hour's count normally.

47:55Under the bottom right of the top banner. They can't see what we're seeing right now. I can't see what you're seeing either. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't see anything. Okay. But only if someone played it recently. Yeah, no, that one's a thing, I think. But anyway, I want the game page to be a little bit more exciting and feel a little bit more like, where's the box art? You know, where's the concept artwork? Where's the sales pitch? Sell me on the game that's in my library. And I do wonder if that's intentional to a degree. I mean, why would Valve want you to play something that's already in your library?

48:29They'd much rather you play something that's in the store and go buy a new one. Makes sense. I mean, I like to think that in general... super like that. It seems like it's usually apathy rather than malice. I will give them the, you know, the credit here. Penance of the doubt? Yeah, that's probably not what they're doing.

48:52I just, I don't it.

48:58Man, this Steam account, oh, it's lounge 4. Why are you logged into Steam on that? I don't, it's not me. Tape to tape when we did the tape to tape. Oh. That's why you got Steams on them. Makes sense. Yeah, I launched Steam and I was expecting to log into myself and it was already logged into something. I was like, what the heck? Cool. All right. Jump into another topic? You want to pick one? That was a high protein topic. We can get into talking about stuff like that. A lot of meat on it. Yeah. um monk deezy said i do like the recommended by friends feature that's been really nice to see my friends yeah i've noticed that uh mr david g does actually review things on steam um he's a big part of the i never actually talked to him about it directly i heard you after the fact said that he liked it um but i saw him review 007 first light on steam and he was quite positive about it and i was like gave it super positive about a shooter i will try the shooter might as well just buy it yeah so i did and it's been great um so i like that part there's tons about steam that i really like there's just you know just like everything on the planet i think there's ways it could be better just like anything yeah anything we love we tend to be very passionate about yeah which can come out really positively and can also come out really negatively.

50:24Yep. Speaking of things that can be positive or negative, Valve dropped the dbrand steam machine companion cube case down the legal incinerator after its makers neglected to get their permission. dbrand has canceled its portal theme companion cube case, refunding every buyer for one simple reason. It just never asked Valve for permission to use the IP. The case launched June 22nd, became dbrand's second fastest selling product ever behind only its Switch 2 case. And then Valve's legal team reached out to point out that the companion cube is Valve's intellectual property and dbrand had no license.

51:06dbrand took it all down, appealed to Valve for an official license and got a no. Which probably shouldn't be way too surprising. What makes this wild is how much dbrand sank into it before checking. The company says it put a whole 1 ,000 hours into engineering, built 44 sets of injection molding tools. That's expensive. That is expensive. That's probably worse than 1 ,000 hours. I would not be surprised if those two things combined got into the seven-figure range. Just from the context that I have from, you know, having a company that makes physical goods with injection molding. That's pretty good context.

51:45That's fucking nuts. It's pretty good context. They redesigned the whole thing from scratch. Redesigned it. Oh, more than once to get the console to cradle perfectly and even rented out a university campus to film the launch video. The dbrand's credit, they owned it completely, saying Valve didn't do anything wrong here. That's a real change in tone for them. Back in 2021, they make the dark plates. Oh, I remember this. Replacement back plates for the PS5 and openly baited Sony with a go-ahead Sue Us on the product page. Sony sent a cease and desist over the faceplate design and its knockoff PlayStation button symbols, and dbrand fired back by calling Sony terrorists before pulling the plates and quickly re-releasing a tweaked version.

52:29A full apology to Valve is a very different dbrand than that one. I don't agree, actually. I think I see where you're going with this, but let's let them cook. if they just made a case for the steam machine i don't think it'd be a problem the problem is that they very very specifically made it look like the companion cube even the playstation symbols i mean their x's and circles and stuff like there's they might have been able to try to get away with it i think if you go to a court the courts can be like bruh it's on the controllers you didn't use any ones other than the four that are on the controller so they might have still lost but i'm also not surprised that they pivoted to plates that they could sell um but yeah this is just very specifically i don't know it's it's like if someone made a like holster for the ltt screwdriver and you're like okay that's neat but then they like put your logo on it and then it's like okay now now we're now we're in trouble now it's like kind of weird or not even that put like your face on it or or i'm trying to think of something that's owned by the ip made a launch video in the style of an ltt video even that i think you just kind of think it's funny it depends okay it depends did you watch the launch video for the companion cube case no it was very like i'm pretty sure there was like a not modified aperture science logo in it yeah see that kind of stuff that's the stuff where it starts becoming a problem with like the playstation one it was a problem because of the symbols the tone was very portally and like there was a character dave johnson explicitly not to be confused with cave johnson like a lot of um and and the kind of the plot for it was that um aperture science had been acquired by dbrand so now we're getting into like potential like canon narrative if this is an official product like you can make uh you can make a third party accessory for a ford f-150 sure if you put ford's ip on it now it might become a problem unless you get it licensed now it's trouble but you can make the accessory um it doesn't it doesn't i understand what the writer's saying the whole thing makes me sad more than anything else i think it would have it just would have been cool it would have been cool i mean i got mine so allegedly i'm i mean i'm on camera with it oh but you totally incinerated it yes yeah i know i said i got it i didn't say i kept it right that makes sense um so i you know i at least got to experience it and that makes me sad that this product doesn't get to exist and I think that dbrand is very right to accept the blame for not seeking permission to make it but that doesn't change that the outcome for me is sad yeah and I would have liked to see a different outcome I also I mean I I understand but I would have liked a different outcome and I think that a lot of people would have liked a different outcome.

55:49And what I am hoping more than anything else is that this isn't the end of the story. I hope that, you know, someday, you know, dbrand could really get into making licensed products because they've got the quality. They've got the execution. They've got the distribution. they've got their finger on the pulse of you know what gamers and enthusiasts want and so you know if this was the like hard slap on the wrist that it took for them to kind of go okay hold on a second look how well that was going to sell yeah the information from this is very valuable how could we do this differently and crush it right well then maybe that's uh maybe that's the best possible outcome from this i um i don't know man valve's a weird company because like from my from my point of view you know i might have looked at it and gone well yeah I mean okay just give me a cut of the like you know however many dollars that you're making and you know fine let's do it.

57:09Why waste? Waste not want not. I might also have a hard time partnering with certain companies because of their prickly external persona. I could see a certain I don't know if Valve would really care but I could see some companies not wanting to associate with a brand through official licensing who's going to say f you to customers on on social platforms man i would hate for them to kind of lose their the chip on their shoulder over this but then also i think losing the chip on your shoulders is part of growing up i mean i said stuff on when show 10 years ago i wouldn't say today no i mean you know that's true yeah doesn't like it doesn't mean that you know what i said then was not you know valid and and you know how i felt at the time but i was i was late 20s instead of late 30s still allowed to say late 30s right a little bit currently legally acceptable

58:1210 years is just it's a long time right yeah

58:19Swapped persona dbrand where they turn into like rebrand like oh wow oh wow that's a really good name for it dbrand licensed products being called rebrand it's like actually pretty sick i like that anyway um i i'm sorry for this outcome i know a lot of people really wanted it and were really excited about it it was one of the most exciting things about the steam machine for me at launch now i'm more excited about the steam machine man i've been making i've been enjoying the crap out of my week with it um do i get to do another i'm talking about the steam machine again yeah sure i have a i have a little thing i want to add after that so you go for it first um where's my steam machine notes actually i don't even have my dock open on this computer because even though this is my portable computer and therefore it's the one that i can bring with me to set i haven't been using it i have been carrying the steam machine between home and the office i jaden when he was working in office for a very soon we didn't have like computers we could give him at that point in time so he just unironically used his steam deck for development and at work and at home he would just dock it when he was at home he'd dock it when he was at work and used it for software development for quite a while like unironically float plane built on steam deck yeah we're crazy for a bit we're linus media group how did we not have any computers it was it was like it was laptops or something i don't remember what it was i don't remember what the deal.

1:00:06This was quite a while ago at this point. Like years. Okay. I don't like it. Maybe it was monitors was the problem? We have always had a shortage of monitors. At least in my entire time I've been here. I don't remember what the actual issue was but there was some reason where it actually did make sense for him to work on his Steam Deck. Anywho, overall I still love it. But the honeymoon period is definitely coming to a close. I was trying to copy files off of an iPhone recently and massive credit KDE connect. Very cool. Anyone ever tried to transfer 200 video clips over KDE connect? Okay. Well, it doesn't work.

1:00:51What happened? Nothing closes. Oh, just dies. Um, and so I kind of went, Oh my God. Cause on Apple and this is on Apple, their interface sucks for selecting the photos that you want like there's no there's no obvious way to batch it so you can like do a few and then I resorted to taking a screenshot of where I left off with what I had selected for the last batch so that I could continue selecting for the next batch that just sucked and was slow so I started with like 20 at a time and it was working and then it went up to i think 45 and it got as far as transferred 35 out of 45 and then just closed no indication of like other than manually reading the file names on my computer and then the thumbnails are obviously a little different because why would they be the same and then having to like check the detailed thing on the phone to try to match up which ones went which one's i mean it's 200 plus files it's not practical yeah so i eventually gave up and used windows computer android works fine it's actually great but the iphone in kde is apparently just not a thing ever at least not on steam os um so that was a that was a downer i man what what else did i discover there was uh okay blah blah blah oh oh dude tail scale with an ai guide took me like 40 seconds to set up dude having access to so like once i had the files on the computer or it's like i copied these to windows machine to copy them from my iphone to my nas and then i was like okay but i'm not gonna i'm not gonna go easy on my steam machine because i could have just used tailscale to copy it from my windows machine to um our network storage here but i was like no i'm gonna do that on the steam machine dude so fast so easy just the the network location mounted done good to go freaking awesome um oh the uh the process of downloading zipped files off of google drive and then trying to do anything with them is absolute dog poo yeah not sure why but also uploading sucks you can't just drag and drop yeah you can't oh yeah oh you can go in google drive and you can go upload file and then you can select files and you can upload them but just dragging and dropping them no dice i'm gonna say i've dragged dropped but i'm not technically on the same thing yeah um but my go xlr worked flawlessly out of the box and when you compare that to the current windows experience where there's like yeah a github repo that has some mismatched version like i was not able to get my go xlr mini working on a brand new installation on a laptop recently i spent like an hour at it and i kept having it like it was detecting a different firmware version for both the go xlr app and then the go xlr control panel both of which as far as i can tell you need um so while it still works perfectly on my old machine that like has everything set up with my full-size go xlr i could not get the mini working on a new machine and there was no obvious step-by-step resources that i was able to use and it doesn't help that that mini had been sitting for like two or three years so it was on old firmware that i think i then like updated maybe like too far on one of them and i like i can't get it matching anymore i don't know what happened uh but meanwhile the go xlr just worked on steam os which was pretty cool so yeah i'm definitely running into some bumps, but also it's just comfortable for the most part.

1:04:57For the most part, it's really good. I'm really enjoying using it. Is it time for my quick aside topic? Yeah. Are you tired of the price of computers? Yes. Is the price of RAM getting you down? It is. Is the price of groceries getting you down? It is. Is the price of gas because America just keeps bombing everyone getting you down? Well, I have for you a great, one of the best first-person shooter games of all time. It's on sale for$6. Canadian. Even less if it's in USD. 85 % off. Overwhelmingly positive. 95 ,000 reviews. Buy the game. Wow. Now is the time. To buy it. Now is the time. Check it out.

1:05:47I thought you were transitioning into another topic or... For those who are watching along, it's Titanfall 2. I don't know if you ever actually said that or listening along. It's Titanfall 2. Yeah. I don't know if you ever actually said that. No. It is really great. It's fantastic. For$6, man. For$6, you should just buy it and play it. It's Canadian. Sorry,$4. $4. Yeah. And the system requirements are pretty modest these days. Yeah, it came out in 2016. It still looks pretty good, though. Oh, it looks fine. Yeah. It looks acceptably fine. It's kind of like how 2016-era movie CGI was also like...

1:06:28It's fine. If they put the budget into it, it was good enough. You could totally still watch it today. You know what actually is holding up really well? I one of my kids has a really tough time with emotional moments in movies. She's just a she's very empathetic. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Definitely very empathetic creature. And so for a long time, she's avoided intense movies. And then we visited Universal Studios in. was it in japan a while back i don't know whatever the one that has a jurassic park ride where you like hang out of the thing and she was like super proud of herself for being like for like riding this like pretty scary coaster and and i was like i told her at the time it was just like an offhand comment i was like man if you can handle jurassic park the ride you can definitely handle jurassic park the the movie even though i know generally you find movies scary and she was on this like high of like having done it that she was like yeah i want to watch jurassic park and so i hadn't gotten around to it this was like a while back and so we finally started watching it together as a family the other night um it's kind of my my laundry folding routine i can i can excuse passive entertainment as long as i'm folding laundry so uh so yeah it would have been uh yeah it would have been on wednesday night i guess i was doing laundry um so anyway we flipped on jurassic park and dude it holds up pretty well i was like i was pretty impressed with 1994 man yeah 94 yeah anyway i don't know where i was going with that and some of the animatronic stuff when they put a lot of work in 93 93 was super good yeah like dude the the the egg hatching like obviously as a you know grown adult like i'm looking at it going oh that's a cute little you know puppet or whatever but like for the for the kids it wasn't immersion breaking and that's the line right like you can you could have modern cgi that's just like it's not believable and it breaks your immersion or you can have like old robots or makeup or whatever whatever it is there's always a line where it's like i know it's special effects but i can keep my suspension of disbelief versus like oh my god that's made of cardboard you know like come on yeah right yeah anyway really enjoying the heck out of it.

1:08:58And if you need something, you'll enjoy the heck out of... What now? I was just making a meme about Titanfall 2. Okay, yes, Titanfall 2. Good game. Yeah, speaking of not enjoying things, I guess, Netflix now requires every user profile to be tied to a unique email address. Profile. Not account. User profile. Netflix is now requiring nearly every profile on an account to have its own unique email address and separate login. A permanent change a Netflix spokesperson confirmed started rolling out June 15th. Kids profiles are the only exception. This turns what used to be simple profile slots up to five under one login.

1:09:36It does something much closer to individual user accounts. It's still rolling out gradually so not everyone has been prompted yet. Netflix frames it as a convenience. That's a, that's a, that's a tough jump. And security upgrade. Okay. Your own login means easier sign-on on new devices, independent account recovery, two-factor authentication, and settings like language and playback tied to you instead of the account holder. Critics see it differently. Tying each profile to an identifiable email is the next logical step in the password sharing crackdown that started in 2022 since it makes casual sharing across households harder and gives Netflix cleaner per-user data for its ad-supported tier.

1:10:21That's the one. Netflix's own privacy policy notes email addresses may be shared with marketing and advertising partners. Nice. Cool. For now, there's a workaround. Users report you can go into account settings, into security section and turn off feature testing. Okay, that's a temporary solution. Oh, yeah. To remove the prompt, at least until Netflix makes it mandatory. It also breaks a less common use case. People who set up multiple profiles to organize content by genre rather than by person now have to tie each junk profile to a real email. The real email part doesn't bother me too much. You can spin up a Gmail in 17 seconds flat these days.

1:11:02And with password managers, just slap that email into the password manager and then forget about it. But that is obviously along the path to worse things. Yeah, I mean, it's all about the login sharing crackdown, as far as I can tell. Yes. I think that the extra user data and extra email addresses is kind of a happy accident. Not fully. I mean, I'm sure they've figured out that that's going to be good, but I suspect the main impetus for this is, you know, hey, now grandpa can have his own email address and account so that when it's time for him to log in, you don't have to share your email address and your password with him.

1:11:45Isn't that good? If we all just stopped sharing our email addresses and passwords, which actually is a good thing for us to not share email addresses and passwords. It's just that clearly... Security for your Netflix account. Like I'm not that worried, but also now instead of just being able to share your email and password when grandpa forgets you're now going to have to try to figure out what the heck his password is when he calls you anyways and tries to get you to help him log into his thing and he's changed his password and you can't find it anywhere because he refuses to use the password manager properly and you want to pull your darn hair out so i i actually don't think this is more convenient i think there's going to be more deep annoyances like that um even the like oh everyone has independent uh email recovery account recovery thing now it's like is that sorry is that helpful was that required in the past no because you didn't have independent accounts for things so like i don't even see that as a benefit i see that as a required new feature for the thing that they're pushing um it's just how the system works if you have independent logins you're going to have independent recoveries like what are we even talking about It's not better Anyways sorry No I'm enjoying the energy Anyways We should probably do a couple sponsors Sure Not that Dan would ever tell us He put up a two more topics sign like four topics ago Way to go Dan Way to go Dan That's technically what we're supposed to do next So as long as he leaves it up there we're just supposed to loop two more topics constantly Factor meals One of the things nobody tells you About being an adult Is that for the rest of your life You're going to need to figure out on your own what's for dinner every single night, which after work and all your other obligations can be annoying to say the least.

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1:16:30Even the responding police officer wasn't sure what it was at first, having to physically inspect it before realizing it was part of a city-approved rollout of gunshot detection tech. What a thing. The big issue is that the device wasn't on the approved install list, so residents are now worried about surprise unannounced surveillance popping up in residential areas. And one of the reasons why I wanted to talk about this is the flock security thing has been an ongoing topic on Wancho for a while and of large concern for people who have them installed near them. And I just think it's funny and interesting how the community is responding to them.

1:17:11Because there's, I don't know anything about this, these guys, but there's sites like AntiFlock that I've seen show up. which is a public map of flock safety ALPR cameras anti-flock catalogs and automatically licensed plate readers spotted in public built on open street map and community submissions. Find a camera we don't have we'll pay you in crypto Wow and there's other similar bounty systems for flock cameras out there and it's interesting like this you know we've talked at length for many years on the show about like appropriate uses of cryptocurrency this seems like a prime use of cryptocurrency awesome actually it seems really awesome and like i i remember there was some really interesting stuff in ukraine when the ukrainian currency got all whack when when russia first invaded and there was people who were like trying to buy cars and stuff in order to escape and they were using crypto and that was like oh wow like okay and actually interesting use for crypto um but this seems like you've talked about your brother-in-law oh with his like drone mapping company yeah yeah that's my brother that's pretty cool this is a pretty interesting solution um yeah it's uh it's interesting it's very interesting but yeah i think there's there's probably a reason why people want um a map of where they all are.

1:18:50And I think there's people taking actionables based on the map to a certain degree. So maybe submit new cameras to the map. If you find it, just an idea.

1:19:04Oh, wow, man, there's such interesting things, man. This is wild. Flock hopper. So you can see where all the flock cameras are. And then if, if I read the, the short description properly, you can use this to map yourself to places while avoiding the flock cameras no way you're telling flock hopper where you're going yeah which you know maybe who knows who like is this a honeypot i mean it might be open street map powered again uh but yeah you are telling the way you're going. I'm going from the Seattle Convention Center. Sure. SFO. Let's go to SFO. We're going to go down to California way. Avoidance settings.

1:19:57Remember distance. Go there. Sure. Oh, exceeds maximum.

1:20:09routes longer than 300 miles are not supported straight line distance is 690 miles but routes longer than 300 miles are not supported okay uh okay so you could just go to i don't know microsoft head headquarters

1:20:28all right

1:20:32what aren't they in Seattle they are in Redmond I feel like that should be close enough there we go okay direct route no because it's not just flock so I think that's what flock cameras are is these ALPR cameras so they're detecting theoretically all the different kinds direct privacy interesting oh wait what's the privacy one so i think a direct route so basically this is the most direct route and there aren't any flawed cameras got it but if there was a direct route that might have a few cameras or a privacy route you could decide between the two it's on ios it's interesting there's there's all this like infrastructure popping up around the fact that these cameras exist that's been the fascinating part of the story like the the craziest part of all of this is I feel like the kinds of people that are going to get caught then in what they're doing are going to be the ones that are either like in many cases just like too dumb to use these tools like you're not gonna you're not gonna spot someone who who plans their crime if that's the justification for all of this surveillance.

1:21:57With that said, man, I mean, I've watched enough true crime stuff to see that a lot of criminals are pretty incompetent. Yeah. Like the number of people that just take their cell phone with them to murder somebody is like mind-blowing to me. No, I agree. Yeah. Yeah. We've talked about that a bit. someone in chat said your city is voting on these soon tracker I didn't find it but that's interesting that's pretty cool there's a ton of stuff I just find it very interesting you know what I find interesting creator warehouse announcements hey

1:22:49no new announcements this week fp announcements then thanks if it flows well sammy thanks sammy um i mean i i have a couple things for i actually have a couple things for ltd store uh we have we have cables in stock right now they are our top selling item at the moment so if you want to send a checkout message now is a great time to do it and pick up some of our true spec cables you'll find them under electronics Cables and bippity boppity a to c c to c you name it oh they're not all in stock anymore okay well a lot of them are in stock you can still get like the five foot 20 gigabit per second the one meter 40 gigabit we still do have quite a few decent options so now's a great time to go check them out people are flipping loving these cables freaking loving these cables um

1:23:50so so freaking excited that they're finally in stock we have more of them coming um also we're still running our end of season apparel sale boop so there's a lot of stuff here that has you know fewer sizes in stock but if you check it out you might be able to find some pretty good deals in here this one's 60 bucks off for the thermochromic jacket uh all over print hoodies. I think we still have some of these. Yep. There you go. So go check it out. And hey, while you're at it, maybe send a checkout message. We don't do Twitch bits. We don't do super chats. We are all about checkout messages. We feel like if you're going to throw money at your screen while people are streaming at you, then hey, maybe you should probably get some high quality apparel or tools or cables in return.

1:24:40So just head over to lttstore.com, add anything you want to your cart like oh i don't know maybe our precision pro multi-bit screwdriver sure why not that you can type a message select any color you want you can make it anonymous or you can show your first name and it lasts initial and go ahead and check out from there it will go to producer dan who is wearing that sweater again who will pop it up or who will reply to you or who will curate it and why don't we do a couple of curated comms so we can show you guys how it works yeah i've got a couple here for you hello lld how often does your distributor get audited crossing my fingers for getting the correct size on my second replacement garment uh i think they do annual inventory audits but as far as like um you know what you're asking i think you're asking like how often do we like check in on them and it's very very regularly There's just been a lot of flux over the last year with various tariffs and logistical challenges.

1:25:48And people have been a lot busier working on mitigating dumb bullshit and had a lot less time for just doing their normal jobs and making everything run smoother. um these things don't happen very often but when they do it's obviously very high profile and very embarrassing uh what's more likely than anything else is like a master carton of that garment got mislabeled in the wrong size and um it was not properly investigated after the first return and so it just the exact same error was made again it doesn't our ship accuracy is actually not that bad like we do track this stuff internally and it's like very good but that doesn't mean anything to the 0.1 percent of people who get the wrong thing i get that but we got you you know we'll get you taken care of thank you for your patience hi std short tall and dead shooting a bit of whimsy your way if adventure was a color what would that color be for each of you and why you guys are the best wishing you an awesome weekend adventure was a color

1:27:07i'm gonna say forest green it says wilderness to me okay yeah wilderness like i like uh like uh like it like that that like pine needle green you know that almost has like a smell to it you know pine yeah i'm gonna go with pine you tend to adventure in the forest you just asked you know what color would be i i could could i not i could i feel like you don't prefer those adventures i mean what adventure would i prefer sir i assume an adventure is outdoors so that rules out a lot of adventure for me in terms of what i would choose to do if left to my own devices fair I'm going with red I'm a huge fan of type 2 fun and red is like a little aggro and type 2 fun is usually pretty aggro when you're in the middle of it similar vein to Luke I'm going with like free range egg yolk orange a little bit more on the warm side of things I have to wear clothing that I can be seen from a helicopter in.

1:28:23That's when you know it's going to be good. Yeah. Maybe that's type 3 fun when you end up in the hospital. When you wear the bright colored backpack not because you're trying to be stealthy and cool in camo but because you're like oh dude gosh. I will break my leg. I hope someone finds me. With a blinking light. That's when it's like nice. We're doing good. Yeah. Some people are wondering so I found this helpful graphic from semirad.com oh yeah type three yeah type two is the way to go miserable when it's happening fun in retrospect all right cool yeah masochism orange i find i find there those things are more often notably memorable like you you struggled through something with other people and like i kind of like it when type one fun accidentally turns into type 2 fun and doesn't necessarily cross over into type 3 let's have a fun day out wow this is great oh no yeah that can sometimes be really fun too actually because then you get to rise to the occasion and it's awful when it's happening and then you look back on it it's kind of sick yeah type 3 is no good no no I don't think that's I don't think that's fun Yeah, I think it said right in it, not fun.

1:29:48Yeah. All right. You know what is fun, though? Japanese company Tarlin International launches hyper-realistic capsule toy PC parts that you can assemble and play with. Tiny motherboards, cases, and CPUs are coming after Tarlin inks a collab with the big four PC parts makers. Do you want to fire up the site? We'll go to a screen cap for you. These look super cute. I'm there, yeah. So you can actually assemble the parts into a working tiny tower made through official licensing deals with ASRock, Gigabyte, MSI, and Intel. That's a really odd big four. I don't see ASUS there. And also, if we're talking CPU makers, AMD's not there.

1:30:43And no NVIDIA. you can anyway have like server racks the teased first wave includes three branded miniature motherboards wait where did you access this isn't even it this is from the doc uh toys one japan list of products is what i went to oh okay so i think i just got to go to tom's basically tom's has the uh there you go okay uh so the teased first wave includes three branded miniature motherboards the azrock z890 steel legend wi-fi the gigabyte z890 aorus elite wi-fi 7 plus and msi's meg z890 ace along with an intel core ultra 7 270k plus cpu that installs into any of the boards there's also case fans a power supply um and a tower case it's gachapon so each is about each three dollar pull is random and you need roughly five drops to complete a build tarlin also sells licensed 112 scale palm network equipment capsules that recreate real data center and enterprise gear down to the model number spanning cisco rack mount switches lenovo think systems dell power edge fortinet fortigate firewalls extreme networks nec netapp and f5 alongside past oddities like a temporary toilet series and an articulated crayfish they even had an earlier intel core i7-8700 cpu capsule back in 2024 there's no final release date for full parts list or full parts list for the new pc line yet obviously i wouldn't spend three dollars on this let alone multiple three dollars so that i could do multiple pulls but i just people will think it's cute that it exists and if someone else buys it i will look at it and i will say that's cute i'm glad i didn't spend my money on it how would you feel about being forced to spend your money on it through an employee spending money on it to make like a short or something

1:32:54it's realistically I guess the gacha pun part of it is that you just buy the capsule so it's like is that one of the turny things or is it a claw machine thing because you have a claw machine so you could recreate the experience with a claw machine hmm um yeah if I think this is a random I think this is a random chance one and I'm not really that into it although one of my one of my badminton friends recently told me that apparently for a lot or at least some gacha stuff if you're willing to buy an entire master carton of it it's guaranteed to contain everything oh yeah that's cool yeah he had a bunch of them and I was like oh man you're like you didn't waste a bunch of money to like get every single one did you he's like no no no no you can just if you like them enough that you know you want all of them then you can just buy the whole thing um that i don't mind yeah crystal says uh depends on the thing but yeah so that i don't mind so much sure if i know what i'm still just buying the thing that you want i'm still just buying plastic junk but at least i'm buying a plastic junk thing that i know i want i don't want to just spend money on something i don't know what it is yeah so yeah i'd be fine with that i mean oh man there's there's no money in shorts like you know that right like i probably i don't know how much these cost but i probably wouldn't get it back for shorts like we uploaded a short today on the main channel that has uh oh actually no i should use one from uh from an earlier day uh just because monetization has like a half a day or one day delay on it or something like that here uh racing with steam controllers got almost 900 000 views and made 108 literally not even enough to buy the multiple steam controllers we used like it's never mind you know paying people to work on it and edit it and whatever like it's it's purely just a an awareness segment of the funnel thing for us except when it manages to go somewhat viral.

1:35:06Like shorts revenue is trash. It's a mystery to me that YouTube is pushing it so hard because I just don't see how there's a viable business model in there for them. Like in cases where the short purely exists to promote our products, then it could kind of make sense. Like we did this one a little while ago, asking how many of our magnetic cable management arches does it take to hold up a PC? And it's just like your classic short, oh, escalating stakes. We're going to keep trying it. And then eventually, you know, we succeed. That made, let's see. Oh my God, I hate when I click a video in the studio app and then I go back, it doesn't take me back to the studio app.

1:35:52It locks me in the YouTube app. So that did two and a half million views and made$300. so good thing that was an already broken PC otherwise we wouldn't have even broken even on the parts for making the video even as it is I'd be surprised if that even covers the labor of making this video but presumably we might have sold some cable management arches or something but like shorts is brutal from like a revenue standpoint we just do it to like be there if that kind of makes sense. Kind of like how we started the WAN show. Just to have a foothold in live. So we're doing something around live. If live ends up being the entire future of online media then we won't be starting from nothing.

1:36:43At least we are there, yeah.

1:36:49Ads are about to get a bit quieter in California. On July 1st it has become illegal for streaming platforms to play ads louder than the content being watched in the state of California. I love this idea. Interesting how it's going to be in execution. Governor Gavin Newsom signed this bill SB 576 into law back in October 2025 before it was only broadcast cable and satellite TV providers that were affected by the COM, Commercial Advertising Loudness Mitigation Act, which was signed back into law in 2010. It is still not 100 % confirmed if this will only apply to users in California, if these streaming companies will keep ads at their current volume in other states.

1:37:35Streaming services in the past have argued they are already trying to manage the loudness of advertisements that come from server-side ad insertion that may be inconsistent with the loudness of the programs. Also argued it's tough due to the broad range of output devices, including TVs, tablets, and phones. That part, I don't know about that. But the one thing that does have me kind of wondering is like, what if you're watching

1:38:01like effectively a silent stream? Is the ad just muted? Like, is there a minimum? Because like TV and stuff, I can feel like it's going to be a little bit more measured, but streaming is weird. Yeah, it can be all over the place. There's a lot of really weird stuff with streaming. That said, it's also very obvious, though, that they're playing the ads louder on purpose. Oh, yes. So if at the very least, this forces them to target a loudness that is probably pretty close to what the content creator was running their loudness at, then that's probably good enough to the point where people will stop complaining about it, which is realistically what this measure is meant to achieve.

1:38:46Someone also said ASMR stream for the win. And I don't know if ASMR is technically quiet. No, I don't think so. I don't think it is. It's more about the nearness of the recording and the delivery. Yeah. Not necessarily the quietness of it. And they're like whispering, but it's high gain and they're right next to the mouse. Mike.

1:39:14This is hilarious. Avon Fox says, it's been illegal in Australia for decades on free TV. So what they do is they highly compressed ad audio so it sounds louder.

1:39:26That's kind of what I'm saying with ASMR. It doesn't necessarily seem like it's loud, but it might be the same loudness as other content. That's hilarious. All right. What else we got this week? oh hey in other console disc related news xbox is testing a disc to digital feature the verge reports that microsoft is testing a feature that would let xbox one and xbox series owners insert a physical game disc and convert it to a digital license that is tied to their account the system would make physical games behave like digital purchases with perks like cloud streaming or play anywhere support but the license would still be tied to the disc itself so selling or lending the disc would affect access how the crap would that work i have no idea i shall read on apparently not all discs are going to work and the verge article says that microsoft is warning its internal testers that it all depends on how and when the disc was manufactured as it may not have all the features needed for this program

1:40:42huh fascinating judging by what's going on in the market this is likely part of a bigger shift towards more digital xbox future like a next-gen console without a disk drive yeah still giving current disc owners a way to preserve their libraries oh so that way i could pull my old xbox off the shelf and still play my like backwards compatible xbox games on my project helix assuming anybody buys it by converting that disc to a digital license but what i'm having are two but i'm just having a really hard time understanding how if the disc is still the license for the game and if you're going to have to put it in in order to validate the license then how is this any different because realistically no one's gaming off of the the disc anymore anyway you have to install the game maybe you have to do it every once in a while or maybe as long as that disc is not detected in another online connected xbox oh i could see that for a certain period of time then you are still given the license it allows you to swap games and such without needing to swap discs yeah no no i understand that i'm just asking how it can use the disc as the license while enabling that functionality That's the question.

1:41:58But yeah, I could see them doing like Steam offline mode, for example. All right. Well, I mean, more flexibility is more better. I can't say that I would strongly recommend doing this. It seems like leaving the game and the disc as one thing is the most consumer-friendly version of this that consumers could enjoy having the friendliness of. but I will never say no to more options for how to use the media that I have paid for. We can jump right into, you want to talk about the class action lawsuit? Yes. Samsung SK Hynix and Micron sued over alleged DRAM, alleged, yeah, sure. Alleged DRAM price fixing amid record memory costs.

1:42:50lawsuit claims coordinated HBM shift was cover to curtail DDR3 and DDR4 production. Samsung hit with class action lawsuit on June 25th in the Northern District of California, where 17 plaintiffs, a mix of individuals and small PC building firms, accused the three of illegally coordinating to restrict DRAM supply and inflate prices. The complaint says prices have jumped roughly 700 % over four years, and the three companies together control around 90 % of the global DRAM market. It's filed as Garcia-Guire, I think, versus Samsung Electronics under the Section 1 of the Sherman Act, which you are all obviously super aware of.

1:43:38That's my favorite section. know what it is uh it even name drops the ram apocalypse the core claim is that the trio used uh the trio used the industry-wide shift to hbm uh this you know stacked memory uh as a pretext to wind down ddr3 and ddr4 production choke conventional dram supply and drive up prices the plaintiffs argue that in a truly competitive market at least one of the three would have ramped up conventional DRAM output to capture those rising prices, but none did. I also think if you look at precedence at all, you'll know that these boys be enjoying this type of activity. It is worth being clear on how hard this is to win, showing that all three cut output and prices soared isn't enough on its own.

1:44:26The plaintiffs have to prove that there was an actual agreement to coordinate, not just three companies independently chasing the most profitable product, which would be APM, which is also... HBM, yeah. What did I say? APM. Uh-huh. Pretty close. I meant HBM, which is legal. The suite learns... Suit. Leans... Oh, my goodness. The suit learns... Leans on history to argue a pattern. Samsung and SKI had exploited guilty to criminal DRAM price fixing back in 2005. Apparently, I can reset it by yelling. That's good to know. Part of a DOJ case that levied, I got it,$731 million in fines. The plaintiffs are seeking...

1:45:09Treble? That, you're reading it correctly. That might be just a typo in the notes. Damages and a court order to end the alleged squeeze. Alleged. I still think alleged is funny. No, treble damages is a thing. A legal remedy that allows a court to triple the amount of actual compensatory damages awarded to a prevailing plaintiff. It's a punitive measure. Got it. Let's try Lexan. Yeah. Cool. It's cool that someone is doing something. Hopefully they win. This isn't going to work. No. But I think it's, you know, I think it's cool that they're doing something. That's cool. Nice. But like HBM is the most lucrative product.

1:45:55and so I think it would be pretty easy for these guys to oh yeah obviously the reason why I'm shooting down the allegedly part so quickly is just that like the precedent for this is so deep and so thorough obviously yeah yeah they're all chasing the most highly profitable thing they're also all doing it in lockstep because that's even more profitable nice like it's just i don't know it's so i doubt they would be stupid enough to have a formal agreement again but again everyone everyone knows you know which direction the industry is going you know there's only so that's the thing there's only so many players right so when you're until china steps in when you're nvidia and you're basically just like well we need one billion in HBM stacks.

1:46:55Yeah. Everyone's going to know about it. Everyone's bidding on it. Everyone is on the same page about it. So they don't have to have a formal agreement. They just see the demand forecast. They see the production forecast and they go, oh, demand here, production here. Oh, price go here.

1:47:20But hey, this is kind of neat. And legitimately, Meta is using custom chips to run DDR4 in servers that were designed for DDR5. And to be clear, that was the headline from, I believe it was Tom's Hardware. Yeah, Tom's Hardware's headline is, Meta fights soaring hardware costs by reusing old DDR4 server memory in new DDR5-only servers. They're not quite just putting DDR4 memory into DDR5 servers. Those servers still have to have DDR5 in them. But Meta built a custom chip that lets it pull old DDR4 memory out of decommissioned servers and then run it alongside DDR5 memory at a slower speed in their newer servers.

1:48:08The chip is called Vistara, and it's apparently already running across millions of servers. Normally, servers get retired after three to five years. but the memory is good for 7 to 10 so meta was tossing perfectly usable ddr4 which in this day and age in this economy yeah that's crazy um on top of that about 40 percent of its fleet couldn't have its memory expanded at all which in this economy when everybody needs more memory the trick to overcome this is cxl a standard that lets you attach memory to a processor over the pcie bus instead of over normal ram slots so vistara is a custom cxl chip that bridges the old ddr4 to amd's ddr5 only epic turn cpus over pcie so each of these mem servers has 768 gigs of fast ddr5 and then about 256 gigs of recovered ddr4 for about a terabyte total now obviously the ddr4 is much slower it works out to roughly 10 times less bandwidth oh my god what a way of phrasing that so a tenth of the bandwidth um versus the directly attached ddr5 and then meta handles that in software so the system will automatically shove rarely touched data onto the slower ddr4 while keeping the frequently used stuff on fast ddr5 and it works well enough that meta says it cut the number of ai servers that it needs by up to 25 percent our discussion question is in this economy no sorry it's when even a company the size of meta is raiding its own decommissioned servers to harvest usable RAM instead of buying new, what does that tell you about how bad the memory shortage has actually gotten?

1:50:11Okay, so I was only partially kidding. Our discussion question. In this economy? Yeah. If you were wondering if it's all fake and a conspiracy, this basically answers your question that they would go and create this chip in order to do this. Tells you everything that you need to know. really cool i i mean i i wasn't aware of a standard that allow you to run more ram over pc oh cxl super cool it's actually sweet i never heard of that that's awesome yeah it can be used for like like contemporaneous ram too just if you need to add like buckets and buckets and buckets around because the latency is still low it's just the bandwidth is constrained by the PCIe bandwidth.

1:50:53Yeah. Very interesting. But like, oh man, it's so brutal to be into computers right now. I think for a lot of people, they're just not. They're pausing. Yeah. I think for a ton of people, they're just pausing. I mean, you had talked about that earlier. It's not a current interest. Could Microsoft just pause the next Xbox? could they just think the market for it is not going to be super excited right now man see i don't i know that contract prices are still going up i think microsoft has said what they're expecting ram to like double again by next year or something like that i feel like i forget i forget exactly you know what the forecast is but but hold on a second okay i made that video a little while ago right when i was like okay the worst might be over yeah and i pointed at how there's actually been some dips in prices i i came across a 32 gig kit for 300 bucks earlier this week like there are okay there there are some cracks that are starting to show and like it's funny because that's so bad it's not great it's so bad but recovery is better than going no i know it's just it's just so funny that like that actually sounds like a steal right now i know but like my god but hold on hold on and it's like yeah there's always cycles though like no i i i hear you it's just i remember i okay oh man i was having i was having a like a dinner at ces with my old um crucial rep back when i was a product manager at ncix and he was uh he was old school right been in the industry like his whole adult life and he was he was joking about like the not literally but like you know the hookers and blow days of the of the memory industry because he was like he was like laughing he was like yeah and one stick was like a thousand dollars and you couldn't keep the things in stock they were selling like candy it was like a non-stop party and everyone was invited and now we got you can get gigabytes and gigabytes and we're selling them for like three points margin if we're lucky it's crazy and and and and so these these boom and bust cycles have always been part of it and i feel like what's the what's the noose the noose meme the noose yeah this i feel like this guy yeah you know yeah yeah yeah like the first time guy yeah it's bad it's bad that it's 300 for a kit that is bad this too shall pass but this too shall pass china's gonna waddle over to the memory area and be like hey guys hey remember what we did with displays yeah and practically everything else and and so and so i'm looking at and like and and some of the other cracks that i talked about in that video are not just still there but they're starting to widen i mean the big news from facebook earlier this week is that because apparently just like xai they're not 100 sure what to do with all the bloody ai compute capacity they built and they're starting to lease it out to other players that's a good thing that's very good yeah that's a good thing because what that tells us is that the insane parabolic ramp up in building is i mean it's gonna plateau if somebody has excess capacity not not only just that it's gotta it's gotta plateau for all the capacity that gets rented out that's could be in a in a fun accounting way uh capacity that isn't being now built if that makes sense because it wasn't being fully used by them so this new upstart company is not building another dc that's exactly it yeah that's exactly it so i'm i i'm i'm i'm looking at it i'm going yes the contract prices keep going up but like the deals on the street are not going parabolic.

1:55:18The cracks in the insatiable appetite are starting to show. I want to see how... We're going to... I mean, obviously, we have no choice. We're going to have to wait and see how it plays out. But I'm... I think we're going to be okay in a while. And if you can put off a memory upgrade right now, i'd strongly recommend that if you're building a new system ddr4 is still attainable at reasonable ish pricing and you can still get really good performance i mean this is something that's so important to highlight and we talk about this in every cpu review right where we'll put up all the numbers from labs and we'll go at 1080p the new one is the fastest it's the bees knees buy all the fastest things consume consume consume oh by the way when you turn the resolution up to even 1440p, which I might remind you right now.

1:56:14A 1440p gaming monitor. Okay? We're gonna go 1440p 240 hertz, okay? We're talking a flipping gaming can be had for under 200 US dollars. These are Canadian rubles, guys. This is AOC. This isn't even some random brand that you've never heard of. Acer Nitro 255 CAD, so that's times 0.7 to get to us dollars so it's 60 it's uh 75 off from that so we're talking 180 us dollars for a 1440p gaming monitor like if that's not the upgrade you're making right now while ram is super expensive then maybe your priorities are not quite right and if you have a 1440p gaming monitor we've seen it time and time again the performance difference between the latest and greatest CPU and one that's even a few generations old it's not that big use the older platform it's okay there's no shame in it like Luke and I have advocated for years that you gotta find your scrapyard wars spirit.

1:57:23The whole reason why scrapyard wars exist is because we were trying to scrap we were making the popular term for it back then was Lambo videos I think these now it's more appropriately called like halo halo products but we were trying to find a way to make it so that people wouldn't just watch the like 780 video 780 nice but like actually that's the era we were in yeah uh so we we were trying to figure out like how do we find a way to make it because like the 60 series if we're going back to nvidia cards the 60 series cards are the ones that basically everybody buys nvidia has tried to shove that price performance number up to the 70 to get more dollars out of people.

1:58:04But historically, especially back then, it was... I think you mean succeeded. Succeeded, yeah. It's the 50-70 now. But back then, the 60 series cards were the primary cards from Nvidia that people actually bought. The 60 series cards would get like the least views out of all of them that we would talk about. And the 80 or, in rare cases, 90 or whatever series card would get by far the most views. So we were trying to find some way to promote, you know, more frugal or more cost effective or whatever you want to call it lifestyles while getting people to actually click on the darn videos it's very hard and like one of the only things that we really thought of to do that was scrapyard wars we went from the other end with another series um it had a more ridiculous name it wasn't like overkill it was uh you still do them sometimes compensator yeah yeah yeah the compensator system we meme on the top end stuff yeah so we're kind of attacking it from both sides yeah um but but you can't just release like the review of some card and it'd be like the one that everyone buys and have it actually get views it doesn't work so we're trying to find something um yeah parallelogram in chat says i'd like to see you try and scrapyard wars with the ram crisis yeah it sucks ddr4 baby and it's it is ddr4 but it still sucks um i mean actually those prices yeah 50 bucks is fine what the heck if i can get a 16 those prices have come way down if i can get a 16 gig kit for 50 canadian rubles no that is not fast DDR4.

1:59:54Not my, you know, favorite thing, but here's a crazy idea. Learn to overclock your memory. Take a time of hardship and learn something new. Scrapyard wore it. That did kind of look like DDR3. Someone pointed out in Flowpoint chat, but there is also a lot of heatsinks that go across generations. It says 4 right on it. Yeah. I think they had very similar heat spreaders on 3. Like those rip jaws in the top left, I swear they had DDR3 kits that looked exactly the same. Or very close to it. I mean, we can double check. It's not even rip jaws, it's ballistics. No, this is DDR4. Lead free! Yep. But yeah, they will very often have heat spreaders that look effectively the same across gens.

2:00:41Yeah. It doesn't matter. Like, dude, it's like, yeah, is this a great situation? Did DDR4 use market ram go down i mean that's the thing i swear it was higher that's the thing about the second hand market is brand new varied brand new is going to be based on like hype it's going to be based on marketing it's going to be based on shiny but the second hand market no product can hide from its true value and sometimes that means that something's worth a lot and you know a perfect example of that would be something like 3090s still be worthing there's there's still much money there is there is still market manipulation on the used market but to oh to such a much smaller degree yeah like like if something is still you know really useful because it has 24 gigs of vram or whatever it you know yeah but if something's just actually plentiful and not that in demand then the used market is unforgiving it will go down because people got to move it.

2:01:49It's that simple. Yeah. Right? Someone like an NVIDIA, they have the luxury of going, well, I will allocate my wafers to my super profitable data center hardware and my networking ICs, and I will just simply make less G-Force in order to make sure that the price of me... Joe GPU Clearance V9 sale doesn't have that luxury. These got to move. V9 sale. What's going on there? That's in Chilliwack, baby. Hey. You want to go whack some chilies, dude? Yeah, buddy. Hell yeah. So I, it sucks. And I realize that, you know, me being removed from, you know, the scrappy, I buy things for as cheap as I can and like fix them and stuff like that.

2:02:44it probably comes across grating to some people for me to say this stuff, but it's not like I didn't live this. It's not like there weren't periods of stuff being more affordable and less affordable while I was a working sap. And that's a huge part of why I have the knowledge base and the troubleshooting skills that made me be able to build the media company that I am speaking to you from today. I think it's a great opportunity to learn and get the most out of what is out there. And DDR4 is out there, man. Just, you gotta be savvy though. Don't go and try and buy an X3D chip. So that's an example of something that's older gen, but still really expensive because the demand's really high because everybody knows the X3D branding.

2:03:37Thank you.

2:03:42Like, what's a Ryzen... Let's see. Let's see what we can find. And I kind of want to see... I kind of want to see what there is on, like, AliExpress for, like, pre-bundled boards and stuff. Because we're getting to the point where there's got to be some harvestable, like, mobile stuff that's, like, DDR4 era at this point. i legitimately am just thinking out loud right now i have not looked into that and oh man the site is insufferable like how am i supposed to interact with your website oh i have to see this x here that i didn't even notice no don't allow go away uh motherboard let's see what we got motherboard cpu ddr4 what are we looking at here oh gosh and how bad the old x99s anyway sorry was that how bad are these uh nothing wrong with those do they affect performance at all they don't affect performance except that so dims typically are not rated as high yeah um and so especially for so dims you're going to be hard pressed to find something that has really tight uh timings so it might be rated for like a good mega transfer per second speed but your latency he's going to suck.

2:05:04And so I would avoid those unless you get an outstanding deal on some harvested SODIMs or something like that. Especially because they have their own cost, right? So like, it would have to offset quite a bit. I can't believe how many options there are for old X99 boards still. You know those like remanufactured server chipset ones? Yeah, I'm trying to wonder why. Well, I think... Were they used for mining a bunch or something? No, there were just so bloody many of those chipsets to be harvested from data centers that are throwing them all away and the same for the chips. Like here's a board. What is this?

2:05:39A board, a CPU, and 16 gigs of DDR4 RAM for 64 Canadian rubles. That is a slow CPU now. It has 10 cores. It is very slow though. But that is a slow CPU. And not only are the gigamahertz slow, but that's going to be some rough IPCs at this point too. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay, here we go. What are we looking at here? Engineering sample. Engineering sample 0000. Product performance. Refer to the i7-11800H. That's a functional... No, that's a functional CPU. No, I just... It's a 2.3 gigahertz or 2.2 gigahertz engineering sample. We won't tell you what it is, but... Refer to this thing. Max Turbo 4.5, though.

2:06:29Apparently, it does... I mean, yeah, maybe I should buy one of these. 200 cad so that's uh that's 140 140 us and that includes your motherboard your cpu but not your ddr4 you'll have to pick up some ddr4 um but then as we saw ddr4 are 50 bucks cad so we're talking 250 cad so that's like still less way less than 200 usd for your cpu motherboard and ram and that's a it's not a great performing cpu but it's a cromulent cpu it's a little more modern than these like x99 combos that are just like you will run into games where literally they they the cpu doesn't support like instructions you need in order to run the game now like they're too old i've been kind of interested and i watched a uh basically homeless video recently um where he built a cyber deck um and i've noticed a couple different tech creators in the the tech creator space um have recently done videos on cyber decks yeah we talked about it in writer's meeting like a few weeks back yeah it seemed to be like a it seems like a mild trend right really trendy um and uh something that caught my eye when he was talking about his cyber deck was this company which i had never heard of before yeah we've talked about them before and some of their pro Oh, I probably just forgot.

2:07:51I don't know. I don't remember brand names very well. But some of their products are like... Very cool. Pretty skookum. Yeah. This thing's kind of a beast, actually. Yep. Like, I was kind of looking into the different various things you could do with this, and it's pretty impressive. They were either the first or they were among the first to do, like, a powerful x86 SBC. Yeah. And that was kind of how they made their name. Yeah. It's, like, pretty serious business. obviously there's a there's some trade-offs but like we have an alpha from 2018 it looks like yeah just kind of cool yeah it's pretty wild i found an i found another motherboard kind of fun want to find some old epic rome chips whoa and put them on a hwanan c h12d

2:08:43Yeah, I want a Chinese remanufactured board for my dual Epic server. Sorry, I just I love AliExpress motherboard shopping Does that come with the chips? No. Okay, okay, okay No, just a motherboard. I was gonna like buy that now. This is just a crazy pants motherboard that I was just like that, dang, that's a crazy pants motherboard I was ready to whip the phone out and make a purchase indie gaming nas motherboard no ram no rom no os what is this just a block of gray yeah what what is this i have no idea oh okay powered by mobile engineering sample chips interesting oh here we go here we go here we go what is this yeah so you get a motherboard and a 7845HX and this uses DDR oh no this has got to be DDR5 then what kind of DDR is it sorry I'm just like shopping at this point no this is fun specifications here we go it's got to be DDR5 though yeah I think so I think they don't want to show any serial numbers or anything yeah AM5 alright well I'll keep looking on my own time and I'll see what I can find for like mobile chips adapted, old harvested mobile chips on motherboards.

2:10:13It looks like 11th gen is kind of where it's at right now for that in terms of what's actually like affordable. Seems like it could be not a bad thing. Alright. What else we got to talk about today?

2:10:32This one. you want a funny one yeah three youtube channels h383 productions mr short game golf and golf holics sued apple back in april alleging that they deliberately circumvented youtube's protections against video scraping to train their ai models and that apple profited substantially quote unquote by doing so the same trio have also filed parallel suits against meta nvidia byte dance and snap Here's some background context.

2:11:31million youtube videos chopped into about 70.7 million clips the data set the data set does not contain the actual video files it's just a list of links to youtube content so to actually train on it somebody has to go to youtube and download every referenced video themselves the downloading step is what the youtubers are arguing required circumventing youtube's anti-scraping protections This week, Apple has responded with a motion to dismiss, arguing that the videos were free for anyone to watch with no login or paywall. So whatever download blocking YouTube has doesn't legally count as an access lock.

2:12:14And the DMCA claim only works if there was a lock on access in the first place. Full legal document quote from MacRumors, for reference here. plaintiffs allege that they posted audio visual works to youtube and that any number of the public can see them there no password no payment no lock no key allegedly youtube employs technological measures to prevent unauthorized downloading but because youtube provides public access to the videos the alleged technological measures do not control access to the works as section 1201a requires this is fascinating Using the Atlantic tool to check Panda 70M, LTT has 4 ,701 videos listed there.

2:13:01So basically, Apple is arguing that surely they cannot possibly have violated my copyright on those videos, which I definitely own because those videos were posted on YouTube. If Apple wins this, if Apple wins this, do you remember when Apple demanded that old ad collateral of theirs was taken down? Do you remember this? Someone archived old Apple keynotes and product imagery. Seems like it was publicly shared to me. Seems like it was publicly accessible to me with no locking key. Seems like anything on Apple's website is publicly accessible with no locking key. Does Apple really want to win this?

2:13:57I feel like that would be insane if they do. this would completely scrap like copyright as it currently exists and there might be some people who are going to root for that i don't think apple is one of them yeah yeah yeah so basically you're saying that if i have a downloader that can you know get it and you know it was publicly where's the line on publicly facing they're just accepting the fact that they circumnavigated the download limitations they're just being okay with that this is wild what an argument they're not even pretending that they didn't just take it very interesting very interesting Discussion question.

2:14:57You both lived through the Napster era. Is this the Napster moment for AI where the lawsuits don't really fix anything and it ends up with someone building a licensing pipe? I feel like something like that will happen. What does that look like, though? I mean, I tried to raise that back at Creator Summit where I was basically just like, okay, so ultimately if Google builds a licensing agreement for other companies to access YouTube videos, what does my compensation look like for that? and I couldn't get a clear answer out of anybody because what I suspect is that they would just kind of go, eh.

2:15:31They want to pocket it for sure. I think we'll just keep that. Kind of like how YouTube avoids engaging in a deeper conversation with me every time I ask about what happens to the money from the AdSense on non-partner program videos because it used to be they just didn't have ads on them. Well, now they have ads and YouTube just, I guess, takes 100 % of it because they don't have to share it with anybody. And then there's rampant perverse incentives when it comes to that. I saw, I was shared a video recently. Um, I'm trying to remember the details. There's like this weird robot arm that scans over this lady's actual real arm thing.

2:16:09Yeah. And it like, looks like it's putting a tattoo on her arm with a laser or something. And it's like just very obviously AI. But the reason why it was shared to me was, uh, it was someone that I know, but they had watched the Wancho segment where we were complaining about how YouTube is going down a bad path. Practically all of the comments and with tons of upvotes were like, is this what YouTube has become? Look at the fall of YouTube.

2:16:40Wow. It seems like there's a lot of room for competition now that YouTube is like going to whatever else and it was just like whoa i haven't seen comments like that on youtube ever like the entire comment section wasn't going oh gross this video is ai they were going oh gross youtube has no mechanisms for solving this like there's no dislike button so you can't flag to other users that it is very easily. Comments are super easy to bought. It's just brutal, man. They got to figure this out. They got to figure the shorts thing out. Because the other thing with shorts is they're so short-lived, usually.

2:17:28They'll blow up and then disappear. And if you're trying to spread some misinformation or whatever else, that's fine. Finding a short again after you've seen it once is like who knows so just for fun let's play a little game i'm playing this on the wan show oh

2:17:57i'm recording it i am profiting from it right now i to me it seems like it's freely shared with no lock or key. Yep. So therefore, there was nothing for me to circumvent. Therefore, I am well within my rights to have this and profit from it and benefit from it in whatever way I see fit. Right? Seems like it based on their argument, right? Plaintiffs allege that they posted audio visual works to YouTube. Yep. And that any member of the public I can see them there with no password, no payment, no lock, no key. Allegedly, YouTube employs technological measures to prevent unauthorized downloading.

2:18:42Well, clearly I'm able to get around this by recording my screen while I watch the video. So that just seems like if Apple didn't want anybody to have this, then they probably shouldn't have posted it on YouTube. Is there anything inconsistent between my argument and Apple's argument here? No, they specify at the end, but because YouTube provides public access to the videos, as they are with this one, the alleged technological measures do not control access to the works. So we're going to use it based on Apple's claim. Wow. And to be clear, there's a lot of people who agree with Apple's response to H3, Mr.

2:19:28Short Game, and Golfholics. I just don't think Apple really agrees with Apple. And it will be fascinating to watch them bend themselves into a pretzel trying to reconcile this stance with their previous stances. How much you want to bet that I get a copyright strike on this video from Apple? Oh, yeah. Almost guaranteed. They do that normally, right? They're like Nintendo. I don't know. If it was Nintendo, I would be sure. Hard to say. Apple, I'm not 100 % certain. I do know that the person who archived all the old Apple marketing collateral was no longer hosts it. That's publicly available information.

2:20:18Interesting. Very. All right, what do we got next? And I often get accused of being like an Apple hater. What I hate is hypocrisy. Yeah. That's what I hate. i don't hate apple they use their products love some of their products but i hate hypocrisy if you're going to you know if you're if you're going to be that guy that's like strict by the numbers ip law copyright be that guy be nintendo to nintendo's credit they don't steal other people's ip they are internally consistent which at the very least i can i don't have to like you can but i have to respect i have to that's your stance that's your that's your position you're treating others as you wish to be treated that's the golden rule i respect that at the very least i often don't like it the way nintendo does things but you can't have it both ways it can't be here's a set of rules for everybody else and here's my rules no you you can't do that it's not cool that's all oh uh you know what is cool is telling you about did you do the flow plane stuff i don't think so no you know what else is cool is telling you about hrefs if your business is getting buried in the google and bing algorithms there's lots of reasons for that but there's a good chance It's because your company isn't optimized for being found online.

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2:24:02Wow, we have three early access videos going up on floatplane right now. Tomorrow's video, Monday's video, and Wednesday's videos are all going up. We have no one is talking about how terrible SD cards are. They really are terrible. We're switching off of them. We're done with SD cards. We also have our next collab with Splave. Okay, this is a cool video. Check this out. Hold on. I got to just save the post here. But, but, but. Oh, but. Can I do this? No. I hate anything that doesn't let me open it in a new tab. Okay, there we go. Oh, did I set this one public? Oh, no. Save. Okay, here we go. And refresh.

2:24:53Oh, it's not there. Okay, well, let's give it a minute. We'll give it a minute. What are we doing? We'll give it a minute to propagate. did I not yeah I did okay well it'll post in a second I'm pretty sure also oh no way we've got the Oshkot motion simulator holy crap okay this one's a banger this thing is so cool I got to try it and what did you think banger please refresh the page what the crap I'm wondering if you're like rate limiting things oh I don't know if people normally spam release videos. Okay, everything's here. Dude, this thing's crazy. It looks crazy. It does 90 degrees on every major axis.

2:25:45So it can do 45, 45, 45, 45, 45, oh no, it goes all the way around this way. Yeah, that makes sense. This string, and they set it up with um they set up like like a rock crawler thing check this out so see the car behind me i'm driving this car and it's responding in real time dude it's so freaking cool that man if you could wireless into snow runner that would actually unironically be so much fun dude it was it was one of the most cut it was one of the most fun things that i've done in like i don't know ages like the most fun i had driving like a sim rig is it comfortable what are you talking about that's like asking how much fuel economy the new ferrari has it's not the point yeah hardly the point i want to figure out if you can make this work with snow runner and then this runner has like output for force feedback.

2:26:50Sometimes they work. And then this one's great. We got our hands on the first 1000Hz gaming monitor and built a 1000fps gaming PC in partnership with Spleve. And this is probably... So you used the chiller paired with Spleve.

2:27:15It's a great video. Wow. Um, wow. We have fun here. Oh, that's awesome. Amazing. Anyway, we've got early access over on Floatplane for those three videos. And we launched our second batch of badges. Okay, I clicked the link. Cool. Floatplane sub badges. Whoa, you can get a vessel badge? Yeah, I don't know. Oh, wait. Yeah, yes, you can. What? They don't exist anymore. Yeah, they don't exist anymore. What are they going to do? It's fine. Alpha, alpha plus. What am I looking at? He's never going to be rid of this helmet. Oh my goodness. Okay. Well, these are great. Love the Tech House badge. Nice.

2:28:09Anywho, we have new badges. Not only are we celebrating the tiers of Floatplane Sub, but people who are active during our special weeks, like Luke Week, Dan Week, or Yvonne Week. This is alongside our early release for our flagship series, Crapyard Wars and Secret Chopper. These videos are available early only on lmg.gg.fp. All right, there you go, Sammy. We did the float plane announcements. Hold on, this Oshkut thing, you can't buy it? Is that a one-off? It's a several-off. Several-off. So they made like five of them or something. They made some. Yeah. And you can experience them in certain places at certain times.

2:28:44Are you allowed to keep that one? It's gone already. I tried theirs last year at OpenSauce. They might be at OpenSauce again. You're going, right? Yeah, that'd be cool. They were creators only. It was a racing track. You had to set a lap time. Oh, I remember people doing that. Yeah. Yeah. They are just like super cool guys, though. That seems so wicked, man. And they're shipping to Canada now? Accurately working with SnowRunner. You could do it. you pair that with like some big screen beyond oh yeah oh yeah he gets it i don't know if i'd need another game like we're gonna get you into sim sim racing god this is why the racing is it's not it's not no no same thing sim sim car stuff it's not the same like i just drive in japanese traffic what i saw was him driving a you know rock buggy some sure over a bunch of rocks and stuff in snow runner i'm gonna be like sideways basically dude oh okay okay this is right ah one of the things i love about paintball okay is that the consequences are real yeah there's you actually want to avoid being hit yeah because like laser tag water gun fight everyone just like runs around and like you go you go stand right next to something paintball you do not it's walk up to somebody because it freaking hurts to get hit and i'm talking like actual paintball with the like proper caliber balls um paintball caliber stop size of 60 68 cal 68 cal oh they did that the local fields they play at like stupid 50 cal oh now and it's just like oh let me throw ping pong balls at you yeah it doesn't it doesn't hurt the point of paintball is that it freaking hurts.

2:30:38I want bruises. So that incentivizes... Type three fun. That incentivizes the right behaviors because it's not fun to play a game where your opponent doesn't have any consequences for you beating them. So anyway, hold on, where I'm going with this. Or like taking a risk. You rob someone of the exhilaration of taking that risk if there is no consequence to the risk. Correct. exactly so driving the oshkot motion sim crashing sucks oh yeah i bet and that's actually what i enjoyed about it more than anything else is when i like tipped my rock crawler i'm like like it's and it's unpleasant like i want i want a situation great where my truck is tipping in snow runner and i do i don't know what it's actually called but i do something called ninja roping which is like while you're falling you can send out your winch to grab a tree and it grabs the tree and then the whole thing is like boom because like all the weight of this truck just got caught by it grabbing a tree or whatever and now i'm stuck in this spot and i gotta figure out like how the heck do i get out of here like i that sounds so fun oh all the like awesomeness of off-roading but without the insane cost and risk and everything else well the neat thing about it's awesome cut is like it's all made by osh cut so you could like get the plans and have them cut it for you i mean the clear path steppers are gonna be gosh darn expensive but you know they it was built by their service theoretically they could make you one yeah yeah i'm sure they would if you asked nicely these guys look awesome i've just been scrolling through their website yeah they do like everything super quick turnaround time metal fab yeah basically you you send them the files.

2:32:31I think it's like an instant quote thing. There's a couple of these. They have some competitors around too, but they mostly just do sheet metal and some bending and stuff. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's pretty sick. Cool. That was a fun video. It was nice of them to come up here and let us play with their big boy toys. Ballster said one problem with that it would require Luke spending money. It would require me spending a lot. of money one of the clear path steppers would probably uh make you very unhappy yeah it was like multiple thousands of dollars per axis yeah yeah yeah i'm not surprised at all huge and really powerful and really accurate they're so cool and the thing is you you you want it to be really powerful because you want that thing to not just be able to move you it wants to be able to rip you around a little bit like they need to and find control because you You want to feel the jiggles.

2:33:27You want to... Rocks. You know. Rocks. Rocks.

2:33:38Rocks. That was good. Here's a quick one. Usernames are coming to WhatsApp soon. So you don't have to share your phone number. Just a handle. That seems like it should have been a thing 10 years ago. But hey, it's there now. That makes me so much more interested in WhatsApp. My goodness. Right now there's a bit of a race to grab usernames Oh Oh no

2:34:04How do we do it

2:34:10Uh

2:34:17Well obviously mine wasn't going to be available Cool

2:34:26Linus sex tips. Where'd you find it? Where is that? Okay. I'm going with a classic Linus username. No, it just had a banner for me when I opened up the app. I didn't have one. I found one. I found the way. Warning, warning. Reserve your thing. That's why I kept my six-digit ICQ. Nice. Tall ND and float plane chat. Nice.

2:34:54uh context menu asks isn't this going to get everyone adding you on whatsapp linus yeah if i was a big enough dum-dum to share personal information yet again then it would be obviously i did not register as linus sex tips well the reason why i think someone might have asked about that is that is a decently common name in video games oh i know it is that's why i said i have played with people with that username and they don't know it's me i have never used that username so if you've ever played with someone calling themselves linus sex tips it was not me yeah that's his uh rocket league smurf account don't ban anyway just wanted to give you guys a heads up on that there's not really like anything newsworthy particularly about it but if you want to go claim your username now is probably as good a time as any um amd fsr 4.1 benchmarks reveal frame rate regression on rdna3 graphics cards but amd has officially brought fsr 4.1 to rdna3 so that's radeon rx 7000 by adapting the ai upscaler from its original fp8 and implementation to an int 8 model the update is delivered through the radeon driver and automatically replaces supported fsr 3.1 implementations without requiring manual game modifications.

2:36:14Performance reviews consistently mention substantially improved image quality with much sharper output, better temporal stability, and significantly reduced blur, ghosting, shimmering, and flickering. In many cases, FSR 4.1 balanced was judged to look better than FSR 3.1 quality. However, the trade-off is that RDNA 3 incurs a larger performance hit, So frame rate gains are smaller than with both FSR 3.1 and with FSR 4.1 on RDNA 4. While the testing found that FSR 4.1 on RDNA 3 frame rates are typically lower than with FSR 3.1, they remain well above native rendering in most cases. So you're not taking so much of a hit that it's not even worth enabling at all.

2:36:56Speaking of which, based on AMD's current roadmap, RDNA 2 is expected to receive FSR 4.1 support in early 2027. our discussion question asks are you excited to see fsr 4.1 on steam machine how much will that change the machine's value proposition i would say honestly not that much um the problem for the steam machine is not that it doesn't have enough upscaling i think it's just that it doesn't have enough raw uh in order to upscale from that was a good way of pronouncing that Well, that's how the word is termed. No, I'm, yeah. It's funny because before you said it, I was going to say chutzpah.

2:37:39And then you did that and I was like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's only one more topic. Do we send it? Virus464 says, didn't listen to that at all. Was securing my WhatsApp handle. All right, I'll give you guys a minute. I think I ripped my handle out of someone's hands. Really? Yeah, it's a handle not available, but if you have it on Instagram already, you can take it. And I was like, well, I do. Frickin' got him. Yoink! And it gave it to me. Nice. Solid. All right. Intel's next-gen Novolake could be interesting. A new leak from LC Tech Leaks, backed by known Intel leaker Jake Kinn, claims Intel's top-end Nova Lake S desktop ship could feature 52 cores and pull up to 474 watts of PL2 power.

2:38:34So that's the short-term boost limit that a CPU can hit while turboing, not what it draws at idle or during light use. This 474-watt figure applies to the flagship dual-tile model at stock, and drawing more than that would be into overclocking territory, but probably possible for reference intel's flagship desktop chips have sat around 250 watts since 10th gen comet lake the leak also points to high-end lga 1954 motherboards likely the z990 series featuring three eps 8 pin cpu power connectors instead of two or one whoa that probably won't be necessary a single eps 8 pin is rated for around 235 watts so two of them already gives you 470 watts plus another 75 or so from the socket um but if you were going to do any overclocking then uh i could i could see needing another allegedly it makes no difference to stock performance though okay so that makes sense worth noting that the board photo that circulated with the leak actually showed two eps connectors plus a pcie 8 pin not three dedicated cpu connectors that would actually be a pretty smart way to do this because that pcie connector can still do a lot of 12 volt power and you're more likely to have more pcie connectors already included with your modular power supply even though many modular power supplies use the same um the same outputs for both pcie and eps so you could like get more modular cables but it'd be nice if they just built it with something that i'm already likely to have the cables for nova lake is rumored to require the new lga 1954 socket and 900 series chipsets meaning that no upgrade path will be available from the current lga 1851 intel has not officially confirmed any of this discussion question every generation flagship cpus and gpus are creeping higher on power draw are we hitting the point where a high-end pc is not reasonable to run in a normal room

2:40:44i have noticed the room where emma and i have moved our computers to uh-huh can cook unless there's it's getting hot in here you know you don't have to talk about that on mind show if you don't want to but you can uh if you know if we don't have a window open or ac running or something it uh it gets hot in there yeah with the computers running like it actually just really does it really does yeah put some chicken chicken time chicken and machine learning training yeah So hot

2:41:25Oh I was going somewhere with this Nope forget it whatever this is the new channel The WAN show make sure you subscribe If you haven't already How many uh How bad was it? Yeah it was pretty bad this week Yeah it's quite a bit lower than usual Yeah So it was nice having a popular Podcast I remember the days when people used to watch the WAN show. But we had to do this. It had to be done. Luke and I are 50-50 owners of the WAN show, and so it has to be broadcast on a different channel. What's left of it.

2:42:05Why did you bother show? Ten years down the drain. The WAN show. Oh, man. Yeah. Okay.

2:42:22well hey um i don't know man do we need to just do a dedicated video over on ltt it'll get like no views because there's no there's no floor anymore like if it's not like just announcing a thing youtube just won't serve it i don't really i don't really know how to i don't really know how to deal with this should it be a combined update oh that's talking to the audience like a state of the union yeah i'm kind of overdue maybe maybe it'd be nice to do one when there isn't like a scandal to respond to for a change yeah i could start i could do a scandal oh my god no because then it would get more views oh my god no let's cut let's come up i dude my scandals are so lame i bet we could come up with a better scandal okay what could we do okay i mean we've already like find some way that it's you that is price fixing all the ram oh interesting that's not a bad like like April Fool's joke, but I don't see that as like believable.

2:43:21Hey, that's what you would say. Yeah. That's what someone who didn't tell you about honey would say. I still haven't forgiven you for that.

2:43:36What? Okay. So for the people watching right now who saw one version of a narrative, yeah, that's not what happened. You should just bring that up again. I should apologize again for it. Oh, that's not bad. Collab with CoffeeZilla. Apologizing for all of my previous controversies. You know what? 40 hour video? People have done apology videos before. Nobody has done a mega apology video before. A mega apology video before. Learn the ukulele. Nobody has ever apologized this hard. Learn the ukulele. This will be awesome. And you find like all the ways that people around the world apologize and you try to do it like...

2:44:12Ohhhh. I still... I still have the Billet Labs monoblog. I keep it in my office.

2:44:24Apology auction! I was having fun for a little bit. I'm done now. Shall we do when after dark? I swear. Before there's blood spilled on my carpet. I'm gone, dude. It's over.

2:44:42Don't worry about it. Nobody's watching anyway.

2:44:48If the VOD's Could it be even worse? Yeah probably Oh man

2:44:57Alright You know the word didn't get out for Oh man I shouldn't even make this joke but whatever Nobody's watching There's so many people watching You know the The channel move didn't do very well When the Bud and Pal video did better than the last WED show Oh my god

2:45:18that's not that's not good that's not supposed to work oh you know maybe the show would be more fun if nobody watched it we could just say whatever they're already not watching it exactly oh man announce it on bud and pal yeah there we go there we go so what's your opinion on Oh, no, I just... I bleeped it. Okay, After Dark? Yeah, sure, let's do it. Bye. That button. Do you know how many live we had on this channel last week? More than that. Oh, on this channel? I have no idea. Okay. I think combined it was just a little better than this. No, like, not combined. Specifically just the Wancho YT channel.

2:46:07Oh, about twice as good as last week. Okay, so it is... And it's been steadily climbing the entire show. Okay. People are finding it. It's working. Not many. It doesn't help when I put the wrong link in the community post on LTT. I fixed it for you. Thank you, Dan. You're welcome. To be fair on Linus, they changed it to something else. Because I did the same thing, and then they changed it to some identity number, and then it broke. Very weird. Who's they? It auto formatted it when I entered it. And I assumed that was right. And then I didn't check it because I was busy hosting. And then I auto formatted it and then it did the same thing.

2:46:43Okay. So to give you some idea of how much YouTube buries stuff that is that people are not engaging with, like, hey, here's another place you could find me. This has 14 comments. 14. so by comparison our just like stupid troll statement about how we're uh all our videos will be deleted and uh you can find them at the vhs section on lttstore.com um that has 900 from yesterday so like youtube has made it so you can't there's no mobility there's no portability yeah Yeah. Man, sorry. Mecha Tortoise in Full Plane chat said, Linus Socks and Scandals Sebastian. Socks and Scandals. I thought that was pretty good.

2:47:31Oh, that's pretty good. What would like... Oh, man.

2:47:41Scandals. Scandal sandals. What would Scandal sandals be? I was thinking like a sale in LTT store when the socks launch, where it's like, if you buy the socks and a product that had a scandal, then you get a discount. Or something like that, yeah. It could be funny. Oh, hey, I shot the announcement video today. For socks? For socks. That's actually really exciting. Are you guys excited for Feetplane? The foot stream. No, we're not doing that. You don't get to. Have you seen the finished product yet? No. Should I go get it? Yeah, I would love to. All right. If there's any comms, so you can hit Luke with them while I'm coming back.

2:48:22Sure, let me... Sure, I'm not sure I have any Luke-specific ones. Get rekt! It's because no one's watching. I can't both rekt! The viewership's going up every minute. 50 times zero, so much more. on the physical games discussion would you guys be open to buying proprietary USB readers for cartridges USB reader cartridge for PC games made by Valve like a Switch cart but for PC so like a USB cartridge so a cartridge yeah sure proprietary USB reader so it would be like a cartridge Okay, you can cut the cartridge reader out of the top of a Switch 2 and then glue it to a USB-C cable. Okay, so I'm buying a device.

2:49:19You're buying a proprietary cartridge reader and the cartridges are sold by Valve. I mean, a very long time ago, WAN show at the Langley house on the couch. I remember talking about this idea that I had that optical drives could turn into like authentication bays for consoles. so you could play console-exclusive games on PC. I remember that. If you put the disc in. Yeah. So this idea sounds a lot like that. They're saying basically, would you buy a proprietary thing, USB reader thing, that can authenticate games on PC so you could have physical versions of it? Like a YubiKey type of thing, but it's got your game license on it.

2:50:03I wouldn't, but someone would. I think someone would. And I think it'd be cool. I think someone would, for sure. It'd be like a CD drive. That's what you could call it. If it genuinely gave you... A content designator. Yeah, kind of. If it genuinely gave you offline access... Or a digital video game device. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If it had some kind of cool right to your data benefit like that, then I could be interested in that.

2:50:38Why are you hiding them? because you haven't seen them yet. It's a big reveal. They haven't seen them yet. This is final packaging and everything. Okay, final packaging. I was going to say, I'm pretty sure they have seen them. Oh, there's two colors. Oh, I really like that purple, actually. Obviously the black and gray, but like the... So I'm telling you guys this a little early, but here they are. I like the colors. We've got the branding nailed down. They're going to be called the Forever Sock. um the branding actually yeah it actually comes from it was right after thunderbolt's asterisk launched and i was like they were like we were like how should we brand these because we're giving them the limited lifetime warranty um but obviously nothing actually lasts forever and i was like well i don't know if marvel can do it on a film i think we can do it on a sock so we did yeah forever asterisk sock copper infused full crew no i think it's a great name right on it not actually going to last forever but um i think it's a great name i i think i said this last time too i i really like what's been going on with naming i think true spec is a fantastic name i think forever sock is a fantastic name the big selling points are going to be just the all-day comfort here i'll let you uh i'll let you unbox one uh which one's your favorite color if you like you said you like the purple i like the purple i'd probably get the black and gray ones but i like the purple a lot okay that's a whole conversation that's like a thing in fashion you have the one that looks poppy on the website and then you have the one everyone buys yeah um yeah this one would attract me to clicking on the thing yeah and then i'd probably buy the back yeah so the big selling points and we'll go through this in more detail sometime whenever when people are actually watching in the future.

2:52:28But it's the all-day comfort. So we've got so much cushion on the bottom that some of our internal wear testers reported that even though they normally wear slippers, they just like didn't anymore. Whoa, yeah. Yeah. But obviously you don't want a sock that's that thick everywhere. So we have like a looser knit on the top. So you get like vents. uh so the breathability is is really nice wow the difference between the bottom and the top is quite substantial well yeah yep um the the natural merino fibers in there contribute to this is a funny one because we did quantitatively test it and we found that the actual drying time of them especially the thicker parts is like not that competitive but i've worn them and my feet have gotten wet and they don't feel that bad so even though we don't have a way of testing that the like the wear feeling wicking is feels really good does merino just wick pretty well in general it's wool it's like yeah so even though it doesn't like dry dry because it's like a really dense weave in order to get that really soft cushion yeah um it's it's it wears really well so we're not 100 sure how to market that um yeah like rod is in float plane chai he's like yeah wool's amazing even when it's wet and so yeah so we can't say that it's like it's not like a like a high performance sport a quick drying sport fabric or anything like that it's a wool like it gets saturated with water it freaking is wet but it still wicks um and so that's really important and then the big one the one that inspired the like the color of the the forever branding on it is the copper infusion and that's uh that's a big part of what makes them we're not announcing pricing today but they are are you are you not going to be cheap so true spec cabling this in what sense every you kept warning everyone about the cost of true spec cables then you said the cost everyone was like oh um for what these are i think they're extremely fairly priced but for what they are socks though like if you want to if you want a little bit of shock factor just look up how much like uh i don't know darn toughs cost with a limited lifetime warranty and with the copper infusion so what's really cool about the copper infusion treatment is that this isn't some like some like forever chemicals cocktail that they spray on it and then it comes off in a couple of washes and is all of a sudden in the you know water is it somehow like in the fabric so so tatiana is actually writing and hosting the section of the video that is focused on the copper infusion but basically there's like copper ions that are not just on the surface but embedded deep within the fibers that are non-compatible with fungus and bacteria, fungi and bacteria.

2:55:30So they can't live on it. They just die. And we did third-party lab testing to validate that I think over 99 % of fungi and bacteria in contact with the SOC. And obviously, we didn't test every bacterium on Earth and every fungus on Earth. But the sample ones, over 99 % of them died. Maybe you should have. And we got a competing copper-infused garment just to kind of figure out, like, okay, where are we at on this? Like, are we competitive? And what we found out was that it didn't have any copper in it at all. It was just a lie. So we didn't have time to test another one yet, but that's something that we can continue to explore.

2:56:12But we think over 99 % is pretty good then, I guess, given that other people are just outright lying about it and apparently haven't been called on it yet. That's pretty funny. So the copper infusion is huge because when it comes to odor control, bacteria and fungus is like where body odor comes from. And so what I have found is that as much as this is not the kind of thing that you would admit to, you know, even, you know, with nobody watching, typically, I can wear these. If I'm not doing like a heavy workout, I can wear these for two, three, four days. And they like don't smell. that is yeah you probably yeah you probably wouldn't really admit that too much but which for how much they cost may be a key selling point yeah honestly yeah real wool socks are really really brutal um i like them it's one of the things that i i have splurged on a little bit is having some rena wool socks um i often do try to wait for sales or whatever but yeah here's the teal i think the i think the team nailed the colors i do really the colors are really nice and they're pretty even though they're like bold ish they're pretty wearable which is nice yeah they're that's a wearable yeah purple it's not ultra vibrant it's more is that the right term for it maybe not vibrant yeah that's more what i'm trying to say it's obviously blue but it's not like striking like here this is um this is an earlier id this is from like years ago.

2:57:47Yeah. This would have been a little tougher to wear, even though it's a more black sock. The colors are more varied, like compared to that black sock. I think the blacks and the grays are more similar to each other. And you have that orange strip. Yeah. So this is just like a very, yes, I can wear this with my school uniform. Also, most of the coloring is in your shoe. Yep, exactly. So we tried to not... Man, we did so many different designs and samples. And the whole process has been a nightmare. This is a lot of fabric. It's a lot of sock in it. Yeah, yeah. I've been wearing them all summer.

2:58:31Did you want four times the sock in your sock? Well, here's a sock for you. I want it to cost four times as much. They're not going to be cheap. I want to warn people ahead of time. These are not cheap socks. Merino wool products in general are kind of not for the weak of stomach. I remember I think we launched like a shirt or some underwear or something or both. Yeah, we've done both. And people were like, what? And then people also just looked up how much that stuff costs and they were like, oh, okay. Pretty much, yeah. But you know what? It's like a Sam Vimes boots economic theory thing. I actually tell the story of like how...

2:59:11They do last a long freaking time. how this product came to be in the mainline video. And a big part of why we bothered was that the socks that I used to buy got skimpflationed. And all of a sudden I found myself going, okay, well, like if I'm gonna pay way more for my socks, I'd rather pay way more for nicer socks that last longer than paying way more to keep rebuying the same crappy socks. And so if that's gonna happen, then okay, fine. I'm going to go look for premium socks then. And what I discovered was that, yeah, it totally works. If you can buy the better thing up front, it lasts so much longer that you actually end up spending less.

2:59:57So that's where I kind of went, okay, yeah, we could, we could do, well, we would do a premium sock then something that total cost of ownership, you know, you come back to like, like tech tech concepts right well what's the TCO of this sock and I think it's not going to be that unreasonable

3:00:21Anyway, I'm sure we'll have some more details for you guys whenever we actually launch them. I'm sure the CW team is going to be upset with me, but stay tuned, guys. Stay tuned. Before COVID, when I started boxing, a lot of the lateral movement and quick dashing stuff we were doing really started wrecking shoes and socks very rapidly. And that's when I jumped the Merino wool fence. And I bit the bullet and bought a bunch of icebreakers. And I have re-bought, but never because any of them became unwearable. It's because I lost socks. It sounds crazy, right, to wear wool socks for boxing. Yeah. It's not.

3:01:10It's not, actually. I vastly prefer my LTT socks for badminton compared to just about anything else. one of the challenges that we ran into with a lot of the samples was getting the slip right so you don't want it to be like sandpaper on your on your shoe because then your foot's going to move around in the sock but you also don't want the sock to slip freely on the insole because then you're going to get friction yeah it's gotta there's got to be the right amount to slip Yeah. Add both. Like getting it right. It sucks. A lot of work. Yeah. It's very expensive though. I know a decent amount of people that have like a pair and then they have normal socks outside of that and then they'll wear it for like certain occasions, a hike or something like that.

3:02:06Yep. I only have, I only have two of these in my rotation right now because I haven't gotten any of the final samples. I only have pre-production samples. I should take these. Actually, I think they need them for B-roll for the video, but I save them for days when I know I'm playing Batty tonight or when I know I need them. Is there a golf set that includes three socks in case you get a hole in one? What? Nice.

3:02:42Wait for it. Wait for it. Oh. Nice.

3:02:51That took me way too long. Oh, yeah. All right, well, let's do a couple more comms, and then let's get him home into bed. That's brutal. Good lord. Have you gotten in trouble for driving the fire truck? No, surprisingly. I daily drove it. Some weird looks, right? Yeah, I daily drove it for a week, and then I drove it for a couple more days after, And other than people, it was like hiding in plain sight. It's like wearing a high-vis vest. Because of how visible you are, you become invisible. Exactly. No one pays attention to a fire truck unless its sirens are on. You're just a truck going down the road.

3:03:33If anything, you are less notable. Yeah. But on the other hand, people get out of your way. Like it's, it's actually a horrible, horrible vehicle to drive. It's like, you know, a nineties fire truck. Like, yeah, it's terrible. You know, compared to my Taycan, obviously off the line, it's not, you know, the lines, this line's still in front of us, boys. Come on, harder on the pedal. Here we go. You know, it's not great. But in terms of like how much room people give you on the road, unparalleled, amazing. oh on the subject of parallel sucks to park actually nightmare have you had to parallel park it like between cars no i would just so like at the office i would just drive way down the road until there's nobody yeah and then i would barely be able to parallel park it at all the visibility and it's terrible oh yeah yeah it's really fun though i'm sure people would be a lot more respectful than if you were like a 40-foot container type truck.

3:04:34Oh, totally. And I'm sure you could also just park it on the curb. You just curb it, go on the grass, and just be like, yeah, no one's going to care. He was pretty good. Take up 80 spots. Was it once or twice? I don't remember. But you drove me around at least once. And I was pretty impressed with some of the moves. It was good. You have to turn the wheels so much. Oh, yeah. It's like a workout. It looked like a bit of a workout. Terrifying. We made it, though. Up next. Hi, LLD. I have a second gaming PC in the living room. Show off. Can I run HexOS or TrueNAS with Windows or SteamOS virtual machine so my GPU-accelerated NAS can still be a game machine?

3:05:17And can you do an updated vid of the used game PC NAS? Okay, that one got cut off. Okay, I think I see where you're going with this. I wouldn't. Sorry. Because of anti-cheat, in most cases, running your gaming operating system as a vm is not really as much of a thing anymore i haven't tried it with steam os admittedly but even then you're going to need to pass through a gpu to it if you want like near bare metal performance and you're running a consumer card so if you were hoping for your gpu to still continue to accelerate nas things like plex transcoding you got to kind of pick one or the other or install another gpu and at that point what are we even talking about here i think you just have that continue to be a nas and then if i was you i would probably be looking into how to stream from your main pc over to the living room using something like moonlight that that would be in my opinion the more practical solution to making your main pc accessible in multiple places and then just keeping your nas your nas LLD, I force my wife to listen to the WAN show each Saturday during our weekend errands.

3:06:29That said, I work for Meta in their data center turnip. What do you think of the NeoCloud spend on compute? Data center turnip? I'm not sure what a turnip is. I learned that NeoCloud is like GPU compute centers. Yeah. I've never heard that term before. Okay. What do I think? I mean, I think I feel like I talked about this enough earlier on the show where I kind of went, I think it's out of control. It feels very bubbly how much we're spending on all of this stuff collectively as a species. um you know i would i would love to see us take a more measured approach to the build out that involves less land grabbing all of the available silicon and more you know figuring out what are the constructive ways that we can use this technology i'm not anti-ai and i'm not anti data centers um but what i am is anti consuming all the things with no semblance of a concept of a plan and that's really what a lot of it feels like yeah um i'm anti the fact that like all of its knowledge was effectively pirated um but it already happened including what 4 000 of ltts videos yeah you're welcome i guess yeah yeah but like it's it's already out there i think the I think the fact that Mr.

3:08:09Mr. Dario seems to be publicly scared of locally ran open source models. Nice. Is like. Yeah. Goated based. Get owned. And they're already out there. You. So what are you going to do now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But. Who was it that was crying? Was this this week or last week about, about their poor AI models getting scraped by Chinese copycats. Was that anthropic? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. How was that not on the dock? Freaking. So funny. Freaking hilarious. Everything you have. Everything you have was scraped. Freaking hilarious. I don't feel bad for you at all, bro. Dude. So, yeah. So, yeah. Okay. This was the whole thing.

3:08:58So they caught Chinese AI companies, because you can kind of reverse-ish engineer-ish an AI model by asking it enough stuff and then just like taking the outputs of it. And then you can use that to kind of develop your own model weighting, right? And so what they were discovering was that Chinese competitors were sending like across like many, many bot accounts, like hundreds of thousands of requests in order to fine tune their own competing products. and so they were begging with the u.s government yeah it was anthropics as tim in the float plane chat so they're begging with the u.s government oh you have to stop these guys you have to stop them from doing this this is our this is our pride intellectual property take the f***ing l well they also seem to be going after your cheery l's they also seem to be going after locally hosted models um so good by saying that it's super dangerous because they can't police like the people and monitor what they're doing with it in an attempt as far as i can tell to stop outside competition for doing the same thing they did of stealing all the data too bad also make it so that people would have to subscribe and use monthly payment versions and not be able to host things locally listen if my it's already out there boy if my shit's gonna be stolen then everyone might as well have it yeah that's where i'm at pandora's box is open it's opened there's no going back we can't unsteal all the data deal with it and you don't get to steal everything and then cry foul when somebody steals it i thought it was all in the name of progress baby yeah well this is progress now bitch and yeah like i mean you can you can uh you can say that you hate that everything was stolen yeah so do we yeah but it's you you quite literally can't unsteal it and you can't unsteal it largely because of everything that got open source to be completely honest which I think was part of the reason why some of the big companies started doing that in the first place interesting that's some pretty 3D chess yeah I had I had that thought quite a while ago of like like why why are they open sourcing this stuff what possible benefit does it give yeah and I think it gives the benefit of the genius out of the bottle you can't put it back in that we did it for everyone it's out there it's not even that we did it for everyone get it back it's that you could go retrieve it again anyone could get it back and retrieve it again like that yeah and it's been downloaded by so many people that you can't you can't undo this move it was it was that's now that that has happened there is no putting yeah all the stuff is stolen permanently you can no longer unsteal it tim says it's really funny they call it an attack um yeah yeah the the the distillation attack because you're distilling information from the model which is amazing because they distilled all of their information from everyone by pirating everything.

3:11:53Get rekt. Is it like the scale? Over 150 ,000 exchanges. You pirated way more than that. Yeah. Shut up. Yeah. I have no cares for them at all. Yeah. And it is this interesting thing. I've heard a counter argument that's like, yeah, okay, but now you're just going to crush them. So what? But some new company that is going to benefit off of their stuff is just going to prop up. It's called shoulders of giants, boys. Yeah, sounds good. Let's stand on them, because I'm sure not reaching a reasonable height on my own. But yeah, that doesn't bother me at all. I just, I don't care for them in the slightest.

3:12:30Yeah. Last one I got for you. Yeah. Hi, Le Doingus. Currently sitting idle because of the 41 degree heat nearly quenched my MRI. Did you know that there's a shortage in titanium tools for working on MRI equipment? What caused this? I would have to imagine just like China, US trade stuff. But I blame Ram. Okay. The truck brand though this time. Thank you, Dan. This is why he's the producer and not the on-screen talent. Oh my goodness. Oh. titanium is mined globally um blah blah blah oh yes here we go war uh linus laptop china

3:13:24never not be funny no one watches the show it's fine but yeah there's some theory of war yeah planes sure trains automobiles drones solid reference yeah yeah who knows sweet reference you might say toilet sweet you can probably just thanks for tuning in to the WED show we'll see you again next week Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye. Don't eat toilet sweets. Now you tell me.

3:14:09Oh, man.

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