The Hardest Secrets I’ve Ever Kept - WAN Show November 14, 2025

46:36You look at it compared to, you know, the Aya Neos and the ROG allies of the world, and they are undercutting them significantly. But Valve made the strategic decision in this case not to do custom silicon that would yield them a large savings over a very large volume product, which tells me, you know, a couple of things. One is that they don't necessarily know if this is going to be a high volume product this or it tells me that they don't even want to interfere with the ecosystem which you know was part of the conversation that we had even though they couldn't give me like like firm reasons around everything interesting yeah i mean they've had much stronger partnerships with especially playstation but also xbox recently so maybe they're like kind of semi joining the space but trying to do it in a fairly friendly way and that would be true to the original vision for steam machine like if you recall steam machine the one that i have the like the like prototype like wide boy one that was not a real product they launched with partners like alienware you could make it in that box of course i am come on man come on by the way uh i just looked this up i don't know if it's the same one that got linked to you there's a few threads that I found talking about it.

47:54Oh yeah, there we go. And somebody already said that it like works with Steam Deck. Oh, interesting. And apparently it advertises somewhere that it's like compatible with, yeah, macOS. Oh, now they say Linux. Okay. USB 2.0 is a disappointment. So I'll have to look around. There might also be other ones. I don't know. I'll have to see what's out there, but that's definitely something that we'd have to factor in. Someone in Twitch chat uh just said dark horse said pulse 8 yeah these guys are legit and i've seen a few threads talking about them maybe they have a different one that's not you know 2.0 anymore i don't know man i'm i'm excited for the idea of the year of the linux desktop what i'm not excited about is it not having a console like price and the other thing that's great about consoles is the way that they tend to plummet in value like yeah this will have that problem i suspect you well no no i know i don't think it will really because it's a pc i just the reason why i think so is just because it's like already slow and old you think so okay that's kind of a hot take people don't like people calling it slow and old uh hubs sort of under fire for calling it i think slow and old or something like that really as a newly as a device that's coming out next year that feels based on what we expect the price will be that feels true to me uh mustafari uh usb2 did i say usb2 was a disappointment i meant hdmi2 was a disappointment i'd like it to be 2.1 at this point um that that dongle the the usb doesn't matter um all right i'm not no okay so to be clear uh that 2500k system that i mentioned on i think last wan show is playing arc raiders right now right so being old doesn't necessarily even mean that big of a deal i just think it's not the cpu i'm worried about exactly it's that 7600 8 gig gpu and the fact that valve is even talking about 4k on it in fairness to them attach that to upscaling they are being very upfront yeah that they mean with fsr which basically means not 4k not actually yeah um but like we are we are probably what two years now from playstation 6 which means we're probably three to four years from games that are actually going to leverage playstation 6 hardware um meaning that valve has kind of like a half a console generation before they can't with a straight face say yeah it'll run basically high-end games on Steam at 4K 60fps with FSR because all the FSR in the world is not going to make a PlayStation 6 game run It just sucks that that's going to be true for such a short period of time, like you're saying.

50:45Yeah, exactly. But MrNick88 in Twitch chat did also say, quote from Valve Engineer, Yazan Aldahayat, I think I hope. Sure. The Steam machine is equal to or better than what 70 % of people have at home. And that's an interesting comment because it's not

51:05it's so open that it will like if I think about the types of games that I'm usually going to want to be playing on my TV it will probably be fine for a significantly longer period of time. Yeah you can play the crap out of Castle Crashers on your Steam machine. Exactly. Most like couch co-op things. What's that RV game? Moving out? Oh no. That's the different one. RV there yet. Yeah, that game, I'm sure it'll run completely fine. But also moving out. Sure. You know, overcooked. Yeah, all those games will be no problem for basically like ever. What's that Mario Party clone, but like more violent?

51:44You know the one I'm talking about, right? He would know. Pummel Party. Yeah, Pummel Party. Stuff like that's going to run on it. No problem, right? So to be clear, I'm not saying it's like bad. No. I'm just saying that compared to a PlayStation 5, which I can literally get on Facebook Marketplace for like, what did I pay for the one in Scrapyard Wars? Like less than 400 Canadian dollars. Yeah. Yeah. That's tough. That's tough. That's tough. And there are benefits to a device like that over this. Like, for instance, being able to stream protected content, which, and I get it. I know our audiences.

52:23There's a lot of piracy. There's a lot of sailing the high seas. but that's not everybody right and so we do have to acknowledge that for a lot of people the steam machine is not just going to be a no-brainer like no obviously anything else is stupid i think another thing that'll hurt it and i i didn't articulate this earlier but i did mean to earlier i just forgot um is that i don't think this is gonna have uh a almost unique-less value it is cool it's it's the first steam machine that's actually publicly available it has steam os all that kind of stuff for sale well i mean there were the old ones they were for sale oh i didn't even know that yeah nobody bought them okay yeah i didn't know they actually went for sale uh i thought anyways whatever um something about old consoles that keeps their value is the like there are probably games that only work on this or it had a very unique experience for some particular reason.

53:22Yeah, so the way that they drop, because there's so many of them, but then they hold. And then they'll go up. And then they'll eventually, I don't think that's going to happen here. Exactly. It's just going to be an old computer. Yes. Which, yeah. We'll see how it goes. I find old computers will, again, they'll drop and they'll hold for a long time, but then they just plummet. They'll hit a wall where it's like, this just kind of sucks now. It's not getting driver updates anymore these various things are happening i mean and then get ditched linux though the fact that it runs linux and you don't have to worry about microsoft just like rug pulling your ability to boot the latest os that's getting security updates like more legit for longer yeah i think there's gonna be a lot at play in its ability to hold value for sure baby okay the last thing before we bring elijah on and talk about linus x linus is the steam controller yes specifically the name so i took a bit of a shot at valve for calling the steam controller steam controller when they already have a product called steam controller

54:30they sure do they sure do like if you google steam controllers the steam controller on steam the picture is the old one you click on it and it's right there they did add 2015 now yeah so I did take a little bit of flack for this in the comments as well. That's a stupid critique, Linus. That one has been long discontinued. There's no way that anyone would get confused about it when the new one is obviously the new one. I googled Steam Controller. And my response to that is, no, this is unconscionable. This is not okay. nothing can ever be named the same thing exactly as another product because it serves literally no purpose other than to be confusing so counterpoint you're right in the near future there won't be a ton of confusion because all the seo will be towards the new one yeah okay well here's something what if you have an old one and you're trying to do a battery swap or something like that on it well i guess go yourself cool also what about 10 years from now when they are both old and obsolete and you are trying to find information you're trying to find a how-to guide or you're trying to well i mean yeah that's that's the biggest one is it pretty much my my objection to this comes down to ease of finding information and right to repair calling something the exact same thing is completely unnecessary.

56:02Completely unnecessary. And can lead to nothing but confusion. And when I asked Valve, point blank, why did you do this? They said it was because it would reduce confusion. That was actually the f***ing reason. Which to me, I don't accept. in to play devil's advocate sure apple's done this forever yeah which is exactly what i brought up and they acknowledged what a problem it is and i do think considering the amount of steam controllers out there especially that are still in use this might actually reduce confusion because the amount of people the amount of people that will have the new one and just not even know the old one existed but tell me this if they called it steam controller 2 It would have been fine.

56:58How would that confuse anybody? I don't necessarily think it would. I have a fun thing, though, that's going to hurt some people's brains. Is this actually how it works? Does the USB-C port not line up with the little LED thing? Don't worry about it. What? Get this. Get this. What? No, you can't move on from that. Yeah, we're not done yet. Bring that back. We're not done yet. No, we're not going back to that. No. So when I talked to them, I was like, look, guys, do you want to be microsoft like do you want to have stupid naming schemes that don't make any sense or like look you know look at one of the other players in the console space sony hasn't run into fucking confusion okay by calling the playstation 2 playstation 2 here's a question for you i'm not done yet why did it not bother you that no i'm not i'm not done so they didn't run into confusion calling it playstation 3 that's not confusing in spite of the fact that far more people bought a playstation 2 than a playstation 1 consoles went way more mainstream especially in the west around playstation 2 like way more it moved so many units that's not confusing and the same thing i said the same thing dual shock dual shock 2 that's not confusing nobody's confused and they went well yeah but what about dual sense i'm like yeah what about dual sense it's got a completely new ergonomic design it has their sense haptic triggers it has a clearly differentiating feature and also it's not called the fucking same thing it's called dual sense it has a new name what about steam machine so steam machine's stupid too okay steam machine i don't mind as much though because literally not a single one still exists like everyone who bought those put windows on it you literally like can't like that that ancient original steam os that ran on it they used nvidia gpus back then right like that you literally can't even install new steam os on it steam machine is more of a concept which or was more of a concept at the beginning you didn't buy a steam machine you bought an alienware whatever part number and it was listed on steam as a steam machine So this is the first first-party Steam machine.

59:13Okay. So I can at least kind of get behind that. I didn't know it was like, I remember it was through the OEMs. I thought they had a first-party one as well. Okay. The first-party one just went out to press to try out SteamOS and experience the ecosystem. But it was all third-party. That's not that bad then. So this is one of those things where the only reason to call something the same thing is to unnecessarily screw up search results, which Luke managed to demonstrate far more succinctly and easily than I had even thought to do it. Dude, I was actually stunned that it came up that way. I'm not, because this is a serious f***ing problem.

59:55Anytime you try to fix...

1:00:02the second and it says you visit often i've only visited today the uh the second result is the new one there is no reason to do this like if you've ever tried to find what version of ios is supported on an ipad if you don't pay super close attention and you know like oh this is the late 2017 one there's like little tiny letters on the back that you can like pull out a magnifying glass and like Search for that specific model. And it's just called iPad. It's like fucking worthless. If you're trying to replace a screen or a battery or a home button or whatever the case may be. And just find information about the bloody thing.

1:00:41That is the only purpose that it serves. And the really infuriating part of it is that Apple knows better. For their cash cow. For the iPhone. They all have a clear name that is different from the one before and different from the one after. They're all clearly named. It still fits under clearly named, but in my opinion, they faltered for a second with the X, but then they came back. They fixed it. At least it had a name that was not the same as any other iPhone. I totally agree. It just wasn't as good, and then they went back to being good again. And to be clear, Apple doesn't do everything perfectly in this regard either.

1:01:17The new SE is called 16E instead of just calling it the... And the SEs were actually kind of dumb because they had like SE and then SE second generation. like they have made mistakes i don't even know that but those are mistakes those are not okay it's never okay and no it was because i could i could make the exact same statement we called it steam controller so that it wouldn't be confusing i could say the exact same thing we called it steam controller 2 so it wouldn't be confusing which of those actually made more sense to you of course yeah yeah i just i i can't whenever someone gives you a reason and i use the word reason very loosely here because reason implies logic and logic is math whenever somebody gives you a reason for their actions that does not logic then what it means is either they're stupid or they're lying those are the only answers and i don't know what valve's game is here i don't understand this but i don't agree with it and i will never agree with it no two products should ever be called exactly the same thing ever speaking of not agreeing with it i i looked up images and references and stuff like that and the usbc port does line up with the middle of the controller i think that animation that they have is just not correct or maybe the magnet is off-centered oh yeah it's not plugging a dsb port no it looks like the magnet centered it's probably just the graphic i wouldn't worry about that that is like the least oh it will bother the engagement out of people it will bother people i don't actually remember where it was i'm sure it's fine it all looks centered i looked yeah yeah a volplane chat seems to be back oh really For now, maybe.

1:03:04For now, maybe. We'll see how it goes. That's fine. Should we talk about Linus X Linus? Yeah. Dude. It was the best thing ever.

1:03:18I mean... It was weird hearing him say that he was glad that Luke wasn't here. Don't even. Is this mic on? It will be in a second. and just wait for him to get settled. Do you want to give it a quick tap for me? Okay, wait, I actually do think Chad is actually properly back now. Thank you, AJ.

1:04:10Headphones and everything for the whole day. Did you guys get really hardcore about Linus and Linus? No. He actually doesn't agree with that. Oh. It's only Linus if you are speaking Swedish to him. That totally makes sense to me. Otherwise, he goes by Linus. I called him Linus just because it kind of broke my brain to call anyone else Linus. Except sometimes, I think I called him Linus a couple times. Well, you had asked him about it and then you tried Linus for a while. then you said Linus then you said Linus you honestly bounce back and forth quite a bit between all three it's a hard name debatable it's a hard name very debatable strong name where the line can you say the word us I mean you'd be surprised how few people can handle it especially in other languages it is very difficult it's very difficult um so I mean dude I don't even know I don't even really know where to start with this um if you weren't paying attention or you're just joining the show now we had the one and only linus torvalds the creator of the linux kernel uh here to shoot a collaborative video this week we reached out to him saying hey um what do you think would you like to do a video together got back the weirdest response ever oh dude it was very strange awesome you should stop bringing that up and down because it's a lot of mic movement you might just have to kind of hold it okay yep sorry sir handling noises my bad sir no you're great um cut a lot of it out so you probably hear more than they do oh cool um go linus linus it's linus yeah so he basically said without accepting or declining well the only way for this to work would be for it to um something something there can be only one like the the hit 80s movie Highlander or two men enter one man leaves like Mad Max.

1:06:07And so I basically responded with, I don't know what to make of these. I'm going to give myself the homework of watching these old movies I've never seen. And I will get back to you, which it took me a very long time because I don't find a ton of time to watch movies. And then eventually I did. And it turns out that he had meant yes. Yeah. We actually found out while he was here that he has a very interesting approach to email. Oh, yeah. I suspect he has an interesting approach to a lot of things. Feel free to participate. Well, I don't want to interrupt you. Well, no, I mean, yeah, you're hanging around late at work to participate.

1:06:42Why don't you tell the email? He's very different than our Linus, where our Linus might take anywhere between four minutes and four business months to respond to an email. Mr. Linus Torvalds says, if I don't respond in 15 minutes, probably wasn't important anyways. And you're not going to get a response. And then he archives it, and he's like, If it's important enough, they'll follow up again, and then I'll respond then. Based. So he almost responded, like, within, it was definitely within 15 minutes of your original email. Yeah, which I was floored by. And then what he said was like, yeah, well, it was either that or not.

1:07:16And I was like, oh, well, I'm glad I was important enough to that. I think that's based. And then you guys set up a call and did some talking, and here we are. Okay, out of 10, how cool was it? Like a 17. dude like we have some footage on your phone of us in the lobby because he gave me the access to his uber to see like whereabouts he was so we could just keep track and i was like watching it like a hawk well first so nervous first we were freaking out because he was what half an hour early an hour early oh yeah he's like super early so we're sitting there like the set's not ready we're not ready to shoot this linus is still in the middle of a meeting right now what are we How are we going to do this?

1:07:57So finally, about five minutes before he's showing up, Linus and I walk down to the front lobby, and we're just kind of like pacing back and forth, like waiting. We're like, what do we do? How do we open this? Because we were standing on the set, and I was like, dude, what is the point of us trying to play this cool? We might as well just wait for him on the doorstep because we want to. Yep. And so maybe that footage will make it onto float plane at some point of us just i think there's i do think there's stuff coming yeah oh oh yeah no there's actually uh sammy already has um there's already something behind the scenes up on float plane right now uh let me have a look there's actually two already uh behind the scenes uh shooting the intro for the collab so we ended up uh here's a bit of a spoiler we went with highlander there can be only one um so we do like kind of a a goofy sword fight thing here's some pictures only get samurai swords i unfortunately couldn't get broad swords like the movie yeah yeah um so we'll have all that we have all that up on float plane right now um man how can you be that much of a chad and still genuinely that humble but also know how important you are oh yeah because he definitely knows how important he is or how important his contribution has been but he's just i don't know it was like kind of hanging out with like someone's dad like he's just very down to earth yeah it got really comfortable really quickly like we were except me i asked you i was like was valon or this like more what were you more nervous for oh this yeah not even close i like valon's a celebrity but torvalds in our space is a dramatically bigger deal like we like we were we were talking about it elijah and i both were like okay well this is it then i i actually can't see any other peak of like having a guest do a type of video have him back the first thing that other people will say is okay well what about bill gates and it's like no you got to be kidding me that that was exact response yeah exactly not even close it's like why not some why not some other billionaire no actually actually though no like this is this is it was unbelievably cool i think that gaben would be would be close for me oh for sure torvold's gaben you gotta go we haven't talked about this topic yet but you gotta go meet gaben on his yacht um 364 foot yes please wasniak would be very cool.

1:10:41But less meaningful to me. I wasn't into Apple like then when he was with the company. Wozniak has a lot to do with the introduction of the personal computer. He does. Wozniak would be super cool. That would be super cool. But like there's not, man, there's not many. You just gotta email him. You gotta email him. That's all you did for this one. And we got the collab. We've talked about this after now. It's like, how many cold emails should we just start sending? Yeah. Actually. I asked him to, though. I was like, I don't remember exactly what I said, but I was like, I can't. I basically told him, I was like, I can't believe it was this easy.

1:11:16All I spent my entire career obviously knowing who he was. How spammed he's going to get now? He brought that up. He'll just ignore it. Yeah. Dude, he was like, yeah, basically he talked about how, as far as I can tell, ignoring things is his superpower. Same as how I can't see ads. he just can't see an email he doesn't care about and he'll just does he archive himself or does it just auto archive past a certain period of time he says he'll archive it i don't know what that means yeah i'm not sure what that means i mean all in the column archive it later i'm sure that someone like that could come up with a script this is archiving assistant if you really wanted to yeah um but like the i i i basically couldn't wrap my brain around the fact that because obviously i've always been aware of the other you know you know the actual tech tech linus right yeah yeah and the fact that just me being too shy to ask was the only reason it took this long the barrier of entry that was the barrier it was genuinely so much fun and so cool and like just even walking around the studio with him kind of giving him an example of like this is what we do because he didn't necessarily even fully grasp it until he was here like what a youtube media company was like, right?

1:12:34It is weird. Yeah. Like, in the history of media, it is very strange. And as we kept walking, he was like, wow, this place just keeps going. Like, that was like... It was cool that he seemed... And I don't think he'd bother to pretend, but he seemed genuinely interested. Did you bring him to the lab? I didn't. We only had a limited amount of time with him. I know. I know. We only had a limited... We did invite lab people over to come meet him, though. Okay. Yeah. No, I knew about that, but I was... I know. Which that will be a separate float plane video as well. There's kind of like a 15 minute kind of staff.

1:13:09How awkward was that? It was very, because it was after the shoot and I was just like, guys, just like go up and say hi. Dude, people were like hovering. Well, yeah. Like, I was like, honestly, he's probably quite used to that. Yeah, he wasn't awkward though. It's funny because as part of my prep for this, I read his autobiography and I um he didn't believe me until like the fourth time I referenced it I think yeah you had asked some questions from it or some guiding questions and he was like oh you actually did read the book it was quite funny um so so yeah in in prepping for it so so he wrote it over 20 years ago though and he talks a lot about like how much trouble he has with public speaking and how awkward he is or whatever and i was like well either a lot has done a ton since then a lot has changed in 20 years or uh you weren't as awkward as you thought you were because well or whatever every time he opened his mouth he was very eloquent and it was super interesting like he's one of those people that's just like well there's no way that i'm the smartest person in this room because it's that guy um and it was it was just super cool everything he said was just seemed so well considered even if we were kind of trying to blindside him with something he still took the time to process it and then like give an actually good response and we were like wow okay like we couldn't even trip him we memed him with like xbox versus playstation and he like gave us a thoughtful response and it's like all right yeah it was very great the hardest part about this video i think is going to be cutting it into a video and not because there's not enough content there's too much you just gotta dump it on flow plane uh speaking of which question from the now working flow plane chat archangel of death said did he know about ltt before your email so this is funny i specifically asked him if he had seen the video that we did a number of years ago where we followed the guide from zdnet or parts list really from zdnet and we built linus torvold's computer like we built the same spec and we were like if you build this you'll have the same pc as linus torvalds and i was like have you seen it he's like drew a complete blank but the two other flipping youtubers that i happened to mention okay i mentioned meddy electro boom yeah yeah immediately he's like oh yeah electro boom awesome yeah he's local i'm like okay ego destroyed and then i should have actually no i didn't and then just because i was just kind of i was kind of talking about how it kind of blew his mind that we were more of a physical goods company than we are a media company these days and i was like we were i was just kind of chatting with them and i I kind of brought up that that's not even that unique anymore.

1:16:15Like this creator economy is, is incredibly cool. And so I pulled out, I pulled out this, uh, this is my new box cutter from Evan and Caitlin. And, um, they showed it to me at VidCon. And I was just like, that is too cool for you to give it to me. I will buy one. It's super expensive, but it's like extremely satisfying. You just can't handle it. Can you? Yeah. Pull up up there we go So you slide it forward and then let it go. Yep, and then slide it back Yeah, I thought you slid it forward again to pull it back. Yeah, super cool So I showed it to him and he's like oh yeah those guys they make the like a resin pumpkin So you asked him about one of our videos.

1:17:03Did you ask him about our channel? He then acknowledged that he had heard Okay, okay, so he didn't completely destroy my ego, but it's just like I pull two sort of not random because obviously they're, they're tech adjacent and big creators, but he like immediately was like, Oh yeah, those guys. It was very funny. Yeah. I have to ask you if you can say it without spoiling, what was the highlight? Like if you can pinpoint one specific moment,

1:17:37it's really tough. I have one. It's so hard because there's like kind of what's a, what's a personal highlight. Like the fact that he genuinely thought what we're doing is cool. Yeah. That's pretty sweet. That was amazing because if he thinks it's cool, then it's cool. Yeah. As far as I'm concerned, that's pretty huge. Um, but like, that's a respectable favorite point, but like, I mean, I just thought how cool he was, was also cool. Like the fact that he's so no, I'm serious. like the fact that without a moment of hesitation you know i was like it's totally fine to say no would it be okay you have a you have some pretty big fans here to hang around longer and just chat and he was so generous with his time during that he didn't have to talk to anybody he waited until like the kind of energy died down before being like okay i guess i can head out now He read the room super hard.

1:18:39They say never meet your heroes, right? Meet this one? But meet this one because he's so cool. And there was, I literally just, from the second he introduced himself, it was just, I don't know. Great vibes. Yeah. Yeah. And so that was a super huge highlight. um i i mean this will be kind of a weird one but getting him to cringe at my dad jokes oh that was so funny was so fun yeah you cracking dad jokes and then him either they're not immediately realizing it or realizing it immediately and going like actually deep sighing he called out your segways a couple times which was really funny he's like oh he does know the channel yeah he was like oh that that was cool yeah that was cool very cool um like is that enough is that enough like peak tier highlights for you like it goes on and on i have one that i think was my highlight it was after the shoot after the meet and greet we went and said goodbye to you yeah uh i candidly was just like i'd be happy to give you a ride back to your hotel which was about a 25 minute drive from the office pretty much in completely the opposite direction of where my home was but I got a 25 minute one-on-one conversation with him.

1:20:02That's so sick. And like, that's something that is going to be forever ingrained. Even if I have another concussion, I can't possibly forget that because it's just so cool. And that's what I mean even to about being generous with his time because he could have just been like, you know what? I'm socialed out today. I've done it. I've done it. I've been like, you know what? And it would be fair. And that would be totally fine to do that. but instead he's like no i'm gonna hang around on set and talk to randoms that i've never met you know or whatever i'm gonna i'll i'll accept the i'll accept the ride because you never know when you accept a ride from someone like you know maybe they try and corner you with a business pitch or something like that like it totally yeah it happens it happens and and i could see having your guard up about something like that but whether it's just not giving any fucks or whether it's like just being at a point in your career where you're just he was very open to new experiences which was once yeah try anything once he said that a lot of times um and and and as far as i can tell the try anything once is basically the reason he did it yeah he's like i've never i've never done a youtube video before i've never seen this before and he talked about how being the linux guy has unlocked experiences for him um he talked about going to a pre-oscar party he talked about like riding on a fighter jet and just like i i kept kind of ribbing him i was like right so that's what you're yeah that's what you're comparing to this right like we're up that we're being in a youtube video right and um i don't know dude i i it's just i was more tired after the end of that day than i have been after work in a long time not because i was like down about anything we were doing but just because being that excited and having that much fun for an entire day is honestly pretty tiring yeah i slept for about four minutes before that like night because i was so nervous i was in and out of like a dream of like replaying the shoot in my head over and over like wanting to make sure everything was going right because obviously i i have my name tied to it so i'm like if this is bad i'm bad so um when i got home i also just i was done uh it's over i had to post the other valve video after you got home from dropping off linus torvald yeah i have no idea how i'm ever gonna peak that like maybe i can give Obama or like someone else a ride.

1:22:45I wouldn't peek it. He flashes his phone to me and he's like, how many people have this, this profile picture in their recent message history? There's quite a common podcast flex question of like, who's the most famous person in your phone? I now have the most famous person in my opinion, in my phone. That's really cool. I'm never, ever going to text it because I'm like way too late. Yeah. Never going to cross that line. But you got to like frame it. Oh dude, it's so cool. get it like a special border or something. I should have texted you right beside him so that I could get a screenshot. Even if someone else that someone had in their phone was more famous, I think that, I think consequential is the word that I would sort of apply most to Linus Torvalds because, I mean, he'll be the first to tell you that the Linux kernel these days is like a fraction of a percent code that he actually wrote.

1:23:38Sure. He's mostly the guy that makes sure that everyone else's contributions are meaningful and are correct and are moving Linux in the right direction, moving the kernel in the right direction. Because he's the kernel guy. And he's like, yeah, at some point I had to... Which is almost certainly an extremely good thing because as with us all, unfortunately, somehow he's still mortal. so he's going to pass at some point and we're going to need a good example of the types of things that he would want to happen. But consequential. Absolutely. Would you, I mean like think of a celebrity, Dwayne The Rock Johnson, probably more famous than Linus Torvalds.

1:24:28More consequential? F*** no. Yeah, I mean it's like actually funny. yeah like i can smell what he's cooking but it ain't as important as linux it's very very yeah i mean no one watching this is gonna have a problem with that but i was gonna say like if you had a problem with that like please look up the amount of things around the world that move because of linux yeah oh dude the phone the android phone in your pocket your mac prime example mac less so sort of uh less so heavily inspired by um but the android consequence yes absolutely underpins android like heavily for sure but you're talking about consequence would it exist in the form it is now without it because consequence can be indirect and direct okay okay uh equivocal equivocal says no mention of git either we did actually talk about git we asked him which was his his favorite child that one i'm not going to spoil yeah uh so make sure you guys watch this video because the building the computer that's the title of the video but it is the least important part of the video and whether it ends up being a 25 minute long video or whether it ends up being an hour and a half video we don't know yet uh whatever doesn't make it into the youtube cut is going to end up on float plane but right now elijah and i are leaning towards a super long youtube cut with uh there will still be some stuff that's just not going to make the youtube cut um so that'll be over on float plane uh but we're leaning towards just a long ass video because it it was awesome and it's interesting to try too to see if there's an appetite for like you know these kind of long unfiltered podcasty almost style videos of just having a genuine conversation i don't know if it's gonna prove a point though because like yeah because it's yeah what does that tell us if we have literally one of the most consequential great point contributors to the tech world i love it could we do an hour and a half long interview with them okay yeah find me another one all right i'll go get bill gates no i told you i i know that's the thing right like yeah okay i told you gaben okay was and was i'll send him an email there's some other ones for sure we could do from his yacht why not right uh oh yeah apparently uh gaben took delivery of his new 500 million dollar yacht today yep you guys see that yeah it has a live-in nurse i guess at his age that kind of makes sense and also it's not just for leisure it's for like scientific exploration too um so it has a diving thing and a submarine to do marine life science i mean steve erwin wouldn't have minded if uh he'd been working off of a yacht that had on board medical staff but it's not a joke i yep why is everything a joke with your generation that one's rough well well that one's rough okay well i don't know if i don't know if that one will ever not be too soon steve erwin oh he was taken too soon that that's the thing that's the thing it's not that whether the joke is too soon or not too soon it said he was taken too soon so it's always too soon forever but i'm sure he wouldn't have minded if there was a medical professional closer um so i can see why gay ben would have done that apparently has 15 gaming pcs which is a weird number was a little odd i noticed that too 15 that's got to be a typo there's no way it's not eight or 16 three teams of five one at the head of the table so what we're playing knights vikings pirates like what are we even talking about here what are you even talking about i don't even think that supports teams of five i got nothing yeah give me a 5v5v5 game speculating 14 crew members that would be kind of interesting could you imagine just gabe playing with his 14 he's like all right guys you're off shift we're all gonna boot up some honestly if you live there completely i wouldn't be too surprised It's pretty cool.

1:28:33Yeah. He's talked about how he plays like Dota and just gets like trolled by people and stuff. People tell him to uninstall the game and stuff. That's crazy. Amazing. I only lost because my Starlink latency was too bad. Going back to the Linus Torvalds thing, I want to make sure that people know that we had a Reddit thread where we asked you guys for your questions. We did go through about 10 to 15-ish of them. again don't know if all of them will make it but some were really interesting some were not but yeah some after like you should just go read his autobiography and then you'll know the answer to a lot of the questions you guys asked i'm really glad i read it um we changed the questions about an hour before he showed up because it was like oh yeah this would have been really stupid to ask even though it's it's weird because people might not have read the autobiography so for them it's really interesting to just have this question but it's also really obvious but i wanted you know our contribution to the to totally that was the right way to go yeah i wanted us to be bringing something new to the table so even if you're a diehard linus torvalds fan you watch every interview you can find of him i want you to find something new in ours and it's not just he's not just a man to be milked for content like it's you want it to be decently more interesting for him as well so if he's just rehashing things that he wrote down in his autobiography it's like i don't know i wanted him to i wanted him to enjoy the experience and he said it was fine which means we might get him back up here dude the fact that he came to us still blows my mind it was so funny that conversation because he's like well it makes so much more sense it'd be more effort for me to clean up my place to get and get you guys down here and it'd be so much work for you guys to bring all your equipment and I'm just like dude your time is not your time and my time are not of equal worth like if it takes you an hour then I should be spending hours before we draw a parallel and decide what makes sense you know like I think with his do everything once thing though yeah it was probably cool to see the operation yeah I guess I just Maybe next time you'll have to go to him me standing in a room with him I have a hard time thinking there's anything cool for him to experience You know, yeah, but then I mean I get we're pretty cool.

1:31:03It's just it's all relative. Yeah You know, and we're not a fighter jet. No We are not a fighter for sure gamer fighter jet stop let's go flight sim in a flight the person in the back if they're not actively shooting missiles could play like stardew valley wow the opposite ends of the spectrum of what you're doing dogfight to stardew play this is going to be a bit of a niche reference but play spec ops the line in the back of a fighter jet would be no one's going to get that but the like four people that get it it'll it'll it'll smash with amazing anyways yeah i i i think that is um a few people got it nice there's definitely been points in my career that were more consequential like ego wise like the first time we did a million views in less than 24 hours on a video like i'll remember that forever it was seven gamers one cpu yeah and i'll remember like staring at at this view graph going this is unbelievable this is the closest thing to a viral video we've ever done it's always been slow and steady this is it this is breakthrough moment like i'll remember stuff like that i'll remember you know pacing pacing the family room of the the old house uh talking to steve on the phone and finding out we're going to get the channel you know like there's there's moments like that in my career that are are like core core memories but in terms of like importance of a video we've made i or like i don't know if it's that important it's like highlight yeah like highlight reel career highlight reel this is like it's very high i don't i'm afraid to call it number one because maybe there's but then if something's that if something's number one i shouldn't forget it yeah and it's possible that something could take it i think that's okay to look at it from that perspective and i'm and i'm in career, like obviously there's personal life highlights that are bigger than meeting Linus Torvalds.

1:33:08My wife ranks above Linus Torvalds for me. You don't have kids? Debatable. Not debatable. What are you talking about? Not debatable. You know, birth of my children, wedding day, these are... Those are maybe close second and third, you know? Yeah. I know I told my wife, I was like, sorry honey. You're moving down to seven. And then she was like, yeah, you can sleep on the couch. And I was like, understand. Fair enough. Sorry, but I just drove Linus Torvald home. I'm taking my Linus body pillow to the couch. Cool. Yeah, anything else you... Oh, right. There's something that we wanted to present to Luke.

1:33:50So he couldn't be here. Unfortunately. Oh, yeah, you were going to elaborate on this. Yeah, why was that, Elijah? Planner of this video. Knower of things I might be interested in. Why? I think there's I texted you the Friday before the shoot, I think the Thursday before the shoot Right. That was when he told me the date of the shoot So I had just the weekend to because I've been putting it off to read the autobiography, which I got signed and the way And the shoot was on Wednesday I told you I said hey, I've done script review That means this is like 100 % locked in now even though it was already potentially locked in before I said hey it's gonna be on wednesday just so you know you just responded with a sad face and then a very uh angry word that i won't repeat because i don't have a bleep button um here we can try and time it all right three two fuck i don't know if we that was late for sure that was for sure and then you just said i won't be there and then another sad face um and i was like oh i'm sorry everybody today we were talking and i was like well technically his flight and everything was booked like three or four weeks ago which if the flight is booked you could be pretty sure about when the shoot would be to be fair we weren't because of current at the time how some airports were struggling with delays right yeah it was a case of we don't actually know um but you know I probably could have tried to give you a heads up because right about that time is when I locked in the flights for the other thing so if I knew I could have no if you were already locking it in then no I could have just not though at that time if I knew there was a extremely major conflict sorry I don't know blame Vance he actually booked the flights oh wow you did not just throw Vance under the bus well that's his job role the executive assistant I'm sorry, Vance.

1:35:52Not only did he do it, we doubled down. Vance, you are very important. That's crazy. Assisting ruining your birthday. That's crazy. He's just not going to book any of my meetings with you now. I mean, that could happen. He has that power. I'm just going to walk into your office. He can throw you out. He has that power, too. Good luck trying. I'm pretty heavy. I'm sorry. I uh... No comment. Oh! Thanks man. I have never... Vance would call you fat. Don't you - you can't even say this. You can't say this. Let the record show. Let the record show that I have never explicitly commented. So instead...

1:36:36It's on video! Instead of... What's on video? You commenting on my size. All... Height. Wrong platform. Height. It was the height that I was concerned about. I'd buy that for$5. You looked at a go-kart and you said, hey, do you fit? Right, because it was made by a Chinese company that, while they did design it for adults, they designed it for... Is this the one I've sat in? They designed it for adults of a shorter... My bones do not fit inside of it. Altitudinal stature. You have also said on video, dang, I know you're not playing any Kinect games. Because you are quite young. Implying because it wasn't hooked up.

1:37:25Oh, man. Because the Wii U just says oof. Because you're quite young, you might not have as much nostalgia for it. I also want you to know I've cut some jokes from videos because I know if they ever hit the platform, it would be over. oh man anyways we got your float plane sign sign yeah so consolation prize um luke asked us to get his float plane sign signed is that plugged in no oh well we should plug it i mean it has a it's proprietary i'm assuming they left it at my desk oh yeah okay that makes sense so luke has a little light up float plane sign and it is now officially signed by the same person it's it's exactly the same as the signs that they have at nasa mission control it's made by the same person with the same materials.

1:38:10That's so cool. It's a very cool artifact. And it is now signed by not only Linus Torvalds, but also... For some reason. For some reason. Linus the best. That's okay, Luke. We can remove that. We can remove that. I think he's always just been too shy to ask. I have been waiting 15 years for this moment. Do you not sign his checks? No. No. There has been no way for me to get his signature until now. So when... So when Linus signed it, I was like, you know what? I'll sign it too. It was so awkward and weird. Of course it was. To be fair, when I saw you doing this, I was like, should I stop him? And then didn't.

1:38:54So didn't let me know on time so I could make travel arrangements to actually be here. And then doesn't stop the wrong Linus from signing the sign. I didn't want to make a scene. I was like, we can remove it. Like, mm, paint over it? You're that guy with the trolley problem that just, like, doesn't pull the lever to make the obviously better thing happen? No, I make sure I split the rail. Multi-track drifting. This is gonna kill one person or seven million. So instead of being here for the coolest shoot we've ever done, uh, to meet Linus Torvalds, I was... You have my autograph? I have Linus's autograph on my thing.

1:39:34I was getting trolled by Nick Harris from the lab the entire time. He told the Qualcomm people it was my birthday. And at dinner, they sang happy birthday to me. Which made me just want to die. You want to know something crazy? I have made it 39 years of my life. Never being sung to in a restaurant. That was a stupid thing to say. We gotta change that. I will walk out. We'll follow you. I will. I will. Definitely hold him in place. Oh, yeah. Both of us? No. Easily. No. Especially how he comments on my side. Neither of you are going to remember this anyway. Uh, dude. There's like, oh, there's only 10 ,000.

1:40:16We're watching. We're not you. We remember things. If you see him in public on his birthday. I have to get you back for the sign. Nah. Yeah. That's funny. No. Sign his card. It should be very funny. It's the same level of funny. Sorry, Nick Harris is trolling you. Okay, yeah. so it's very long work day nick harris is trolling me the whole time as per usual but he just he keeps like threatening that he's gonna tell them but it's obviously like uh he wouldn't do that and then he actually did it so so at the end of the night two qualcomm people very nice people come up and walk up just to my side and are just like staring at me for a second and i'm thoroughly confused i'm like like can i help you we're out at dinner uh and then i hear the like and i look to my right and there's sparklers and it's just the worst i'm not okay so that was also like oh no day started at eight in the morning we're going actually no my day started no day started about eight in the morning yeah um working working working we get on to the bus while we're moving i'm taking a call we go do stuff while we're on the bus again i'm taking another call for most of the dinner i have an airpod in because I'm in a call the whole time.

1:41:32Like this is a very heavy work day and then right when I get off the call it's happy birthday singing. The whole time I'm getting messaged about how cool the Linus Torvald shoot that I can't be at is while I'm working. Get back to hotel, crash because I'm super tired, get a call at like 4 in the morning that the forum is down so I can't even sleep. It was like terrible. Worst birthday ever. Potentially, which you know all things considered. not that it could have been yeah it could have been worse could have been worse yeah that is probably my worst birthday yeah you could have we could have had both Linus Torvalds and Gaben here at the studio at the same time you could have missed that that would have been worse I'm gonna plan the Gaben shoot when you're gone I will freak out no do it do it with just Luke yeah with Linus gone yeah I think I would lose my job He actually has that power.

1:42:28Worth it. Worth it. His body language, since Dan said that, is amazing. So when I say clip, please. The like aura coming off of Linus was so strong. I would lose my job. Not acceptable. Not acceptable. That was amazing. We flew to Gabe's yacht for a Flowplane exclusive. Sammy, Elijah, Luke. Where are Linus' boats? You might be on a boat, but them still dangerous waters, boys.

1:43:04Didn't Luke miss the last guess? Yeah, I miss all of them. As far as I can tell, Linus purposely plans them for when I'm not around. Dude, I had nothing to do with the dates. Apparently it's Vance. I found out. How did you hurt him? So what I've learned today is that Vance hates me. Yeah, I agree. It's official. I'm posting in general about it. Pings the whole company. Vance hates Luke. Yeah, Zastba in Twitch chat. Linus doesn't pull rank often, but when he does, it's to not miss a gay band meet and greet. You better believe it. What do you mean not often? I don't think I pull rank that much. Just trying to start drama.

1:43:40I would over this, though. 100%. I'd be like, no, unacceptable. It'd be really funny, though. No. I'm debating if it's worth losing the job, but... You've got to be kidding me right now. I'm going to try to send it to Dan, but Nick got the frame that I turned from the people singing to him. He has the frame of the video. The look of betrayal. Top 10 anime betrayals right here. Because it's a weird moment because I don't want to like, obviously I don't want this to happen, but I also don't want to like be a jerk to these people that I just met. there I sent it to you Dan do you want that on screen?

1:44:24sure yeah so I'm trying to like sorry spoilers yeah are you ready? yeah sure so I'm trying to like smile and be happy because I don't want to be a big jerk but then I'm also like what the hell Nick

1:44:47oh no oh no that's way too funny I'm kind of crying a little bit oh man oh no so I just got trolled by like the whole world I'm sorry I really did wish you could be there I I really wanted to bail but like it's the Friday or Thursday or whatever before this thing that's been planned for like a month it's our first like thing of this style with them and yada yada yada so it's like luke's schmoozing and and and for for our labs team to get us you know connected with all the right technical people to make sure that we can invest it and it was a great trip stuff and oh yeah no for sure it was actually legitimately a great trip so so saying would i have rather been here to hang out with like uh you know Yeah, 20 minute drive with him was pretty great.

1:45:47Yeah, even I'm a little jealous of that. That might have been, that was, that's very cool. To me, that is like actually what top one or two moments in my life. Obviously, I was joking. That's extremely cool. Yeah. Yeah, like that's, like I didn't even, I didn't even have one on there. Good job, good job, good job. I didn't even have one on one time with him. Like we went for coffee, I had a cookie. There's also something about car drives. I don't know what it is. We talked about like YouTube and like how the creator economy works a little bit. He talked about like working with his team and what that's like.

1:46:20Yeah. Both working from home and remote. He honestly asked like more questions than I got to ask back. I felt was like, man, this man's asking me about YouTube. I was like. Again, I think this is part of the try everything once thing. And that's very cool to be the potential facilitator of that. That's still extremely cool. because one thing we talked about was the recent ad block change that ended up impacting views and how that can impact uh the creator economy from a sponsorship side or how that could impact just channel momentum and he was it seemed very interested in like oh that's a change that i could see how ad blockers are just like too but like it really impacted millions of people well and i think to a certain degree it's still happening and that's a whole other thing yeah very cool alrighty I don't want to overstate my welcome thank you for letting me hang out thanks for nothing yeah I do my best alright see you later have a good weekend I got it you're getting no fist bump from him not after what happened it was resentful I could tell there's not a lot of room back here By the way, that LTX 19 shirt, though.

1:47:35Yeah. Damn. It's been a little worse for wear, but for some reason it's one of my favorite shirts. Alright. We have a couple of floatplane things that we're supposed to do. I owe Sammy a shout-out for floatplane. We finally filmed it. Special behind the scenes. Okay, so here. Hold on. I'm supposed to click these things. Oh, okay. So here's a behind the scenes of the intro. Am I supposed to play the whole thing? Is this those like wooden ones that we've had forever? No, they got sharp ones for reasons that escape me. They're actually sharp? Yeah. What? I don't know what we were thinking. Is this the, hold on, is this the timestamp I'm supposed to go from?

1:48:17Let me just check. What does Sammy want? I don't know. Okay. There's an, oh, this is an unlisted short clip to watch on when. Can we get audio, Dan? Yeah. Yeah. This is great. I love that he's got a sword out. and has his glasses right here. The guy's so genuine, man. Ready? One second. The flourish, dude. This is awesome. There can be only one.

1:48:50That was actually pretty good. Stop playing with your boss.

1:48:57God, I'm so pissed, dude. Oh, my God.

1:49:07so the way it's oh he's salty the way it's gonna cut together is i'm going to start the video like a perfectly normal video um okay sure dan did that um i'm gonna start the video like a perfectly normal video you guys may remember the time that we built linus torvald's computer well guess what we're gonna do it today with the man himself and then it cuts to him like we the doors like open and we'll have like the like highlander style like the electricity and get some rock music or whatever and he comes in and he does the flourish there can be only one we'll get the like and then it's gonna cut to me and i'm gonna be like and then it's gonna go in and it's like and then it's gonna go to the wide and i'm gonna have my sword out just like randomly it'll be like and then we'll cut to a shot where we're both like right close to each other the one that you guys saw right kind of at the end there where we're like we're like eye contact and it'll be like and then it'll cut to elijah just sitting on his chair being like or you could just build the pc together and we're like oh yeah yeah that could work just ah it's gonna be fun it's gonna be great I am I'm so excited for you guys to see this video and that gives you some idea of what a good sport he was yeah about the whole thing yeah public clip of Luke getting his float plane sign signed for his birthday oh okay um screenshotting my DMS Oh what?

1:50:40It's at the end. Someone on this account already watched it. Oh that's hilarious. Okay hold on. Oh so this is Sammy going to get it. Oh okay this is great. This is great. Floatplane is our video platform. And Luke runs it. Dude I was so nervous. Like anyway. So I feel bad because my signature is the ugliest thing ever. Anyway you guys will have to subscribe to float plane you can get the whole thing but uh i can show you the part where i sign it hold on is that in here let's see but i'm gonna sign it too

1:51:21i mean

1:51:27hey i mean it's the start of a thing you could collect all the tech linuses yeah i think i already did yeah nice good job You're like 100 %ing things You can check out the full videos at lmg.gg slash floatplane There's going to be another video where staff ask him questions after the shoot, that'll be coming on Monday and there will probably be more, also if you are subscribed to floatplane it ensures you won't miss any of our Black Friday Cyber Monday deals, because they are coming early for subscribers Okay blah blah blah blah blah blah blah yeah cool that's it uh should we how oh my god how long have we been live two hours we've only done two topics nice yeah i think it's merch messages time we're just about in one after dark uh oh no we have a lot of topics left though i know oh my god there's so many topics let's uh let's do maybe some cw stuff merch massages let's not bother with the merch messages.

1:52:34No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We have product launches and it is November. We had a pretty slow September, October because that is not the holiday shopping season and now it is the holiday shopping season. We've got some announcements. If you guys missed the very beginning of the show, we are adding a couple of big products to the RGB collection. we have this freaking sick uh navy sweater that is a hundred percent cotton knit with little multi-knit yarn flex so we'll probably get a better shot of it on this actually luke can you fire up the site and then we can show people what it looks like it's got a clean polished look it's great for the office but colorful specs keep it fun for holiday hangouts and we also have uh luke There we go.

1:53:31The RGB beanie. Yeah, there you go. There's the sweater. Wow, it really doesn't capture the color. Yeah, it's darker than that. It's darker than that. It's tough. Get me a close-up of the multi-net, though. Please tell me that's on there. There we go. Yes. So it's just a little touch of fun. Little touch of fun, just like our RGB shirts have been in the past. Then I'm going to go back to... There we go. We also have our beanies in both black and gray, and both regular and short depths. There you go. We've got the two different sizes. We've got the two different beanies. And then, Luke, if you want to fire up the product page there, boom.

1:54:12Warm, cozy, and ties right in with the rest of the RGB lineup, or looks great on its own. Shop the RGB collection at lmg.gg slash RGB. and while you're on the site don't forget actually if you want to fire up the uh hundred dollar blah blah thing i'm on it it's just gonna take me so cool don't forget we have our holiday loot drop happening right now spend a hundred dollars or more and you could win a pair of sennheiser headphones or if you're really lucky an asus rog xbox ally x um and and but wait there's more we have our buy more save more apparel deal running until november 26th you can save up to 25 when you stack apparel items oh yeah go ahead and click that yeah yeah that's good that one right there so if you buy two items i think it's shoot what is it it shows i think if i click on one of the things there you go you can see right here there you go for your own reference so mix and match two or more clothing items and save two items is 10 off three is 15 four is 20 and five plus items is 25 % off.

1:55:17So loaded up. The cart, to be clear. We've got printed t-shirts back in stock. We've got these great new RGB products. You can find everything that's eligible at Oh, shoot. I don't actually see the link to everything that's eligible. Well, you can go to the main site and then you can click this banner. And then you want to scroll down real quick? The WAN hoodie is on fire. People are loving the new WAN hoodie. That makes a lot of sense. It's very cool. well it's everything with the buy more save more tag i guess yeah so there's actually a lot of stuff uh the underwear is actually flying off the shelves as well i forgot how long we were out of stock dude it was a real i'm restocking it's been a long time yeah i know so there's some pent-up demand anyway uh since we're live i didn't mean to do that it was it was unintentionally quite good.

1:56:08Nice. Quality, quality Linus. What was I going to say? Oh, yeah, right. And since we're live, now's a great time to place your order on LTT Store because you can send a merch message. All you got to do is add something to your cart and then whenever we're live, there'll be a box where you can send a merch message. This makes much more sense than streaks. Is that what it's called? That's... I don't know. Hype train. Hype train. They did a hype train in Twitch chat because... Stop it. Because we acknowledged them for the first time in years, and I told them that's dumb. And what you should do if you want to throw money at your screen, I mean, by all means, use your Prime, you know, membership or subscription or whatever they're called on Twitch.

1:56:52Use that one. I don't care. But don't spend money on that. Spend money on ltdstore.com, where, whether we acknowledge your message by, you know, having Dan reply to it, there he is, or he forwards it to someone who can get you a better answer, or he throws it up on the screen like that one that's a bit up there or he curates it for me and Luke to answer, you will still get high-quality merchandise in the mail. You can type a message. You can be anonymous or have your name show. You can change the color of your merch message. You will have to opt in to email communication about your message if you have a question that Dan can't answer.

1:57:28So that is sort of worth knowing. And then you go ahead and place your order. All right, Dan, do you want to show us how merch messages works? Hit us with a couple. Yeah, sure. We got lots today. things are selling quite quickly. Yep, it's that season. It is. It's that time of year. Hello, LLD. I finished my engineering degree. Next year, I'll do my master's degree. And I've been working for a month on my thesis about outside-in tracking with RF. What features are relevant here? What? Features are relevant here. This feels truncated. uh potentially maybe uh i know that the the the new one uses cameras where some of the other ones use other forms like the oculus uses a different type and outside in with the original oculus i guess cv1 was camera yes that was cameras and then lighthouses are laser if i remember correctly yes um man but then technically light is RF technically isn't it so like uh strange yeah I'm sorry I think this is truncated and I don't know if we're gonna be able to answer that in any meaningful way darn up next

1:58:56Okay, yes, let's do that. sorry um favorite taylor swift okay you're not going to give them anything good oh do you just want to get through this quickly so we can do more topics and you can go home eventually is that what this is about what do you mean i thought we were moving on from that merch message did i did i miss something favorite taylor swift i i just mean this is this is the it's the most important week of lmg basically in you know years at this point because we have linus torvalds here and we have the huge steam announcement, and you ask me what Taylor Swift song I like? I mean, that's why they hid their name.

1:59:34It is anonymous, because they don't know how to answer good questions. You mean ask good questions? Yeah, sorry. You're the one who doesn't know how to select good questions for us to answer. I don't know. I thought you were a Swifty. I mean, you're the dump truck. You share that? You're both blonde? I have never talked about, I would never talk about Taylor Swift's butt. Okay. Sorry, thighs. Yes, we both have thighs. We have that in common. Damn right you do. Yes. That's something we both have in common. That goes crazy.

2:00:13What I'm saying is factual. They both have legs. You know what? I'm going to go with one of her songs that speaks very strongly to me. You need to calm down. I'm going to go with the need to calm down. You like hearing that? It helps you? It speaks very strongly to you? No, no, no, no, no. Linus Sebastian needs to calm down? What? You just have no idea what you're talking about. Dude, if this was a to everyone question, I literally don't know a single one of her songs. I guarantee you do. No, I'm sure I know the song. Romeo and Juliet. Sure. Yeah. Or what's it called? I'm not going to know the names of them.

2:00:51Love Story. Sure. First time I've heard it. I guarantee you I've heard her songs. I just don't know the names of them. Ah, I see. I see apparently I don't either I just called it Romeo and Juliet some swifty I am yeah thigh reduction just happened yeah yeah no no they're still there I have been losing weight though I think I haven't been eating enough to keep up with how active I've been lately that's a thing yeah I think I need to I need to eat more I don't I don't have time during the day though I'm back on that on what not eating enough on purpose oh really I'm back on the reduction train yeah well my wrist is so messed up i can't work out properly so it's like well time to do the other thing okay fair enough yeah all right i was trying to think it was it was very frustrating for a while and then i was just like you know i'll just cut then yeah make lemonade yeah exactly it's fine it's fine i'll make it work yeah and i'll just lemonade get back to it when things are better Was that a P.

2:01:47Diddy thing? I get it. Hold on, hold on. I'll be right back one second. He's going to go do it.

2:02:01I feel like giving someone else a ding just gave him a significant amount of dopamine. Does he need his own bell? I was concerned for my dry sweater for a second there. Oh, no. Oh no. Gross. How about another one? Moving on. Okay, let's do one more. Hi DLL. How do you deal with issues of sibling rivalry, both in your kids for Linus and with your siblings growing up? Also more underwear stock when? Are we out of stock? Did we sell them all? We sell them so quickly. Did we really? Oh, we love them. That sucks. I wanted some of those. I gotta start just, I'm gonna start submitting merch requests for you.

2:02:45Oh my God, the margins are out of stock. Would you prefer that? No, I just, I feel like we should use the, like, is Luke gonna buy it metric? Because every time I want to buy something on the store, it's just gone. I think, I think I'm going to accost you after the show, and we will sit down and just put stuff in there for you. Maybe, uh. Damn it. Okay, anyway. Um. Crap. Yeah, medium, large, and XL are all gone. Uh, oh, which store are you on? Hold on. I'm on the USA store. There's still some more in stock on the USA store. I'm on global. Yeah. Both designs for medium, large and XL, by the way, it's not even just like one of them.

2:03:27It's both designs. Yeah. Meanwhile, on the US store, it's a medium, large are out for the solid and it's just large out for the prism and confetti design. Small is also sold out on the solid. okay well anyway um of all the problems to have yeah no no no no yeah the worst problem i know well it's not a good problem no no it's not good but it's um it's it'd be worse if no one wanted it's really hard to find the right balance when you're when you're stalking and now that we have multiple distribution centers it's even more challenging and it's only going to get more challenging in the future as like, obviously, you know, it's not like it's not occurred to us that it would be good to have a European DC, for instance.

2:04:16I'm getting roasted by Flowplay Chat. Oh, Seth Hyland asks, what percentage of LTT sales are doing Wancho? Less than you'd probably think, a fair bit. Like Wancho is a big driver. We often launch products on Wancho, so that inflates the numbers a little bit. But when we don't, it's not like we don't have other mechanisms for promoting new products and stuff like that. And they'll still be quite strong. No, it's a very serious business for us. I mean, I think I met, did I mention earlier on the show today that - That you got to meet Linus Torvalds with Homie? That we're finally doing, how does LMG spend money?

2:04:55Oh, I don't know if you did or not. Did I talk about it last week? Do you guys know about this already? Okay, yeah. So basically I've had more exposure to expense reports in the last week than I probably have in the last five years because I just don't really look that closely at that stuff as part of my daily work. Sure. And the merch business is huge. Like we, on inventory, we spend millions and millions and millions of dollars a year. It's crazy. And it's so hard to get it right to not overbuy, but not underbuy. Especially when, I mean, When you go on the store and like almost every product is a bespoke created product.

2:05:43Yeah, we really have no idea. I was talking to someone about this recently. We really have no idea how to chill with things. Like ever. Why would we chill? Like ever. Even when it would be totally fine. We're like, nah. Yeah. Nah. Why would we chill? Let's make a pen. but instead of it being a normal pen. Okay, this one is relatively low effort. By the way, that was very cool. We can't really talk about where we were. No, we can't at all. Or who we were talking to. Nope. But Luke and I got on very, like, strong authority that PTM 7950 is goaded. Yes. Like, extremely strong. Pretty much. like i can't tell you who it is but the highest pretty maximum strong authority there's god and then there's this individual in terms of their authority on this subject it was pretty it was pretty validating i don't know if i disagree yeah yeah yep so that was that was pretty cool um Oh.

2:06:57Oh. Oh my god. Full plane shot won't leave me alone, dude. What? What is this? Charged nuclei said, and you let Luke meet them?

2:07:09Just every time you bring up anything. It wasn't my fault, Luke. I didn't know. No, I know. It was the person who recently left. I know. I would have fought for you if there was anything that could have been done. You know I would have paid for you to get a flight back. I knew it was upcoming, but legitimately until that, I think, Thursday, I had no idea. It was, like, the next week. I know. I'm sorry. And then it was way too late. I mean, it is what it is. But at least you have that sign. That is actually really cool. From both of us.

2:07:43Because that sign is, like, one of my favorite things. And then, yeah. I'm surprised you don't like the one for the wall more. No, that's super cool. oh i thought you like gave it back to me or something didn't you i think no you asked me to store it yeah because you didn't have anywhere to put it yes yeah okay never mind and i still don't and i still have the plane too i'm still like holding on to that for you that's yours that's not mine i don't like want it forever luke do you ever in a cool way though do you ever display the one of one thing that you have that i gave you from the place with the people that's secret good okay yeah yeah you've seen it uh it it unravels like that oh that yeah yeah you should never show anyone that that is that is private yeah cool very private um all right uh what are what are we supposed to what was the word very behind um right sibling rivalry sibling rivalry How do I put this lightly?

2:08:43I don't really feel any rivalry with my siblings. You've got to not put the, how do I put this lightly first? If you don't put the, how do I put this lightly first, then that statement is totally fine. I think people could take it the wrong way, though. I think by putting, how do I put this lightly before it, people will now take it the wrong way. And if you just didn't say that, it would have been no offense. But I actually have a pretty healthy relationship with my family. yeah my point is that we have none of us have tried to achieve even remotely the same things like my siblings have zero interest in being an online influencer across the board zero so like how do you how do you measure that kind of yeah like there's no rivalry there yeah um and like it's also yeah like wildly different types of success um yeah and i mean it's like if i'm looking at my like sibling rivalry i think my brother has achieved very immense levels of success in very different things he got the exact career that he wanted yep in the exact way that he wanted it and is excelling with it seems to be nailing it on the family side nailing on the family side pun intended he's got a couple kids he's got yeah And that's all going pretty well.

2:10:02Sorry, Rich. Little graphic. You won't mind. I know. So like, yeah, I don't see any, I hear what you're saying. It's completely different realms. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Luke informed me you're good at it. In ways that make sense to him and to you, but not to the audience right now. So no further elaboration. What? I was going to be taken extremely weirdly. I almost feel like I need to explain that now. Now I'm uncomfortable. I don't think you can. We've got Linus' thighs and now this. What's going on? I don't think you can. The success rate was high. It's like the chicken. No, it's not like the chicken.

2:10:44Our family's just... It's not like the chicken. It's nothing like chicken.

2:10:51Chicken is chicken in, not... Chicken pregnant. I mean, you could check on. I think that's allowed.

2:11:06And we're cooked. Why did Linus Torvalds ever agree to work with us? Because he never heard of our channel. He's never seen the WAN show. There's no way. There's no way he's ever seen the WAN show. I actually specifically asked him if he had looked into any controversies around us, and he said he explicitly doesn't. Oh, which used to be my policy. I'm happy that hasn't been him in the butt. And then I collabed with Hassan and collabed with, um, too mad. And I was on a bit of a streak there for a bit. You were, yeah. Yeah. I do really hate where like, if, if there's, if there's literally any level of like contact, people assume that you've like done deep dives on everyone around.

2:11:54Like that's insane and needs to stop. But. Or that you agree with them on everything. yeah now literally every single thing they've ever said you now full-heartedly agree with yep like there's people i know and i'm friends with where i can name a multitude of things that i don't agree with them on like that i feel like that should be fairly normal but anyways that's a whole other topic let's oh yeah xvc there you go nice and to be clear i'm not saying that i like hate those people or whatever i'm just saying that have been controversial figures i didn't research them at all and i didn't realize that they were quite polarizing yeah that's all i'll say yeah because that's all that needs to be said i think we came out of those fairly unscathed yeah i think so i think so yeah i think the one that there was the most concern about was too mad yes and i was just like yeah what he bombed some zoom calls at that point i think he got more controversial later i think that's true we also kind of i think i think i think all of those figures i think every single every single collab in that collab streak has become more controversial over time i think that's true but i think they were people who that was to a certain degree their shtick so it was somewhat inevitable i think yeah i'm actually x i can't tell oh my god aj

2:13:27did you make it admin only don't don't add more admin only emotes did he seriously add the you being upset about the birthday song i absolutely did not send it to him on teams so that he could do that oh my god this is amazing oh you probably oh you probably need that new command uh what's the you're gonna need a new command um what is the what is the command for it slash clear cash uh with a capital c how do i type how do i type this

2:14:03oh yeah the spam has begun cash cleared no no no no for the first c is lowercase the second key is C is capital. Oh, everybody's doing it wrong. My bad. I said it poorly. It's clear, all lowercase, and then capital C... Cash. Alright. C-A-S-H. As for sibling rivalry with my kids... Why would you do this? I think we... Why would you do this? People are actually doing it. Why would you do that? That's great. That's how I get all their money from LTT Store. They type clear cash. It all comes to me. They clear their cash. It re-ups their subscription every single time. This is the real hype train.

2:14:47As for kids, same thing. My kids don't aspire to the same things. Like, they're very, very different. I'd say that with the daughters, it's something that we're going to be paying more and more close attention to as they, like, hit puberty and stuff. And they start to, you know, think about body image and stuff like that. But so far, it hasn't really been a major issue. like it's not like it's not like my daughter's care that my son's team went 36 and 0 for volleyball this year based the uh the gym coach who's been there long enough to um long enough that oh how do i say this doesn't help you oh uh basically she's been there a very long time and she said to her knowledge no team at the school has ever had an undefeated season in any grade in any sport which was pretty cool so they went completely undefeated this year that's epic um just swept everything they unfortunately there were no provincials for his grade volleyball this year oh but there will be at higher grades but there will be at higher grades so he's um so he's he's getting pretty he's getting pretty into it i told him don't forget about badminton don't forget to play with me sometimes people are typing slash louv yeah that'll just unlock everything that makes sense and i don't know when more underwear stock is coming i'm sorry okay we should move on to a new topic microsoft exec says windows is evolving into an agentic os and gets cooked in the replies good although in fairness windows 11 start menu does seem like it's getting a pretty good redesign.

2:16:33How's that in fairness? I mean, they're doing something. Something positive. I think it's but also. Sure. Microsoft's current head of Windows, Pavan Daviluri, posted on X to say that the future of the platform is one that is evolving into an agentic OS. The tweet has seen pushback with various opinions pretty much all stating the same thing. Nobody wants to use Windows primarily through an AI middleman. The Windows Start menu is receiving its first significant makeover since 2021 and will be delivered to all users as part of the November 11th update. I do like it more. The menu is now scrollable.

2:17:08Here, do you want to? Sure. So you can move through your apps in one place and the interface is now larger with a responsive layout that adapts to the screen size automatically. However, you cannot resize it manually. For comparison. Yeah. the start settings page is being updated and will no longer feature the layout option if you disable all the recommended settings you'll also have the ability to hide the recommended section of the start menu which honestly is probably good i don't need recommendations for what it was that i was hoping to open right now because you have no way of knowing that um i'm gonna kill our discussion question here we're just gonna kind of move on because yeah that's all i think i really feel the need to say about that.

2:17:53Oh, this one doesn't have a header, so I can't collapse it. Downer. Luke, you want to pick one? Sure. Let's talk about Ubisoft. Oh, no. I just feel like we're doing a throwback to the old house. Keep on digging. Keep on digging. Yeah, we had this thing on WAN Show. It's been a very long time where there was just... It felt like... Every week. yeah six months like i don't know how long it was a long time it's a long time just every every week every other week at least there was some terrible news out of ubisoft or they were doing something awful which was insane because that was also at like a pretty fairly peak time for ubisoft that was like assassin's creed 4 and like like all these like really big like their games are doing well but they were just doing really horrible things yeah or like the launch would be super buggy and they'd fix it later but it was just like unnecessary floating eyeballs and stuff yeah that was like slightly later than what i was talking about but definitely still during keep on digging yeah so we even made a shirt it had a shovel on it nick van burkle designed it that was back when just like we didn't have designers we just had our video editors who had some familiarity with like talented people yeah the adobe suite so anyway yeah all right what's up with ubisoft right now ubisoft delayed its half year earnings report which is a really big deal for public companies and requested halted trading until its release on thursday november okay we're moving stuff around on thursday november 13th the day ubisoft was to release its half year yeah the day of crazy uh was to release its half year 2025 2026 earnings report the company instead announced a delay and requested a halt to the trading of its shares and bonds on euro next all right uh and Gadget says delays to earning reports may happen due to accounting issues, but speculates halting trading of the company's shares could portend major news such as a sale or Ubisoft becoming a private entity again.

2:20:00Oh, interesting. Tencent recently took a 25 % stake of new Ubisoft subsidiary Vantage Studios, which now manages the company's major titles like Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, and Rainbow. Why would they do that? That's weird. Because they want to own gaming? No, why would Ubisoft split off their major titles into a sub-brand? Because Ubisoft is f***ed. Oh. So sink the bad ship, move everything else off, and do a... Okay. All right. Makes sense. There was talk of Tencent taking Ubisoft private last year. Yikes. This follows contract buyouts for some employees. of the company just last month. This is the kind of like financial finagling that means that no matter how poorly managed a company is, once it's big enough, it almost feels like there's no consequences for the leadership because they can just make moves and then, yeah, keep shoveling money into the sacks of money that they sleep on, presumably.

2:21:08Like the individual developers will suffer in all of this, like sort of reorg acquisition nonsense, but the actual, the leadership that put them in a position where they weren't profitable enough to just keep doing what they were doing in the first place, if anything, will probably benefit. I, uh... I, uh, yeah, I... I saw a comment go by about this, but I also had the thought, and I lost the comment, so I can't say the person's name, so sorry. But, um... Video game industry, Canada. Yikes. Oh, yeah. EA is now purchased. Ubisoft is clearly something funky. Yeah, StarEye says China, Ubisoft, and Saudi EA.

2:21:51Crazy times. Pretty much. Yikes. We should probably do sponsor spots at some point. This is... Or not. Carry on. You can go for it. I was going to have a conversation about the industries that you can get into in Canada and how that's like... I had a conversation on a recent trip about, okay, I didn't realize Adreno.

2:22:18Radeon?

2:22:26Oh. Oh, yeah, wasn't it Imagion? Didn't they, like, acquire that IP or something from AMD? And... Hold on. there was some speculation that they might have acquired some part of ati uh imagion previously ati imagion was a series of media co-processors hold on hold on produced by ati later amd amd sold it to qualcomm in 2009 yeah yeah so that's where adreno comes from i actually didn't realize that that was where adreno came from i thought imagion was a cooler name uh personally imagion pretty cool yeah but anyways adreno comes from there uh but ati was canadian for people that don't know we also had um nortel blackberry a lot of our but yeah sure yeah a lot of our used to be able to get a rim job in canada no problem and now there are no rim jobs we even exported rim jobs uh but yeah a lot of our tech has been bought and moved away yep now our gaming industry is being bought and moved away and it's like what do you go to school for to get into industry for in canada now there is still a lot of stuff you get into medical care that is that is a yeah that is a space that is getting worse over time um and that's not good and i hope we start doing things to start uh float plane chat you got to get your mind out of the Gunner, okay?

2:23:58It's a research in motion job. Yeah. What are you talking about? Grow up. What are they even talking about? Grow up. What is it though? I'm not going to tell you. Your virgin mind cannot. Virgin tongue. Anyways, I'm sad about this. There have been, oh wow. There are a lot of Ubisoft games that I've really loved over the years. um anno is fantastic i've been a huge fan of the assassin's creed line uh a bunch of the especially i don't know how much credit ubisoft can take for anno um yeah sure fair enough yeah like that team's been around killing it since like the 90s and as far as i know they're they're like kind of isolated yeah ubisoft just publishes for them as far as i can tell Oh, I didn't actually realize it was that separated.

2:24:51My bad. I thought they were a thing within, but I've not looked this up. Oh, apparently some Anno games have been developed by Ubisoft Blue Byte, German video game holding company owned by Ubisoft. It's founded in blah, blah, blah. So I thought they were just all max design. I didn't realize there was even two. So I don't know. Oh no, Defunct 2004. Okay, yeah, it shows you what I know. I actually, okay, nope, nope. Wait, by Sunflowers in collaboration with Relindad and Max, based in Schladming. But company is best known for creating the Anno series. The company was closed down in 2004. Okay, yep, it shows you what I know then.

2:25:39It's been a while. But anyways, they've made a lot of games that I have really loved. But the way the company has been run has always been highly questionable. hence the old keep on digging memes um the creation of ubisoft connect or whatever the heck it's even called now you play um was pretty whack there's been a lot of things that have just been like not great so i'm not surprised they're in a in a tough spot but it sucks to lose even more canadian industry and i understand like it's not like ea just like deleted their offices in canada or anything but i wouldn't be surprised if the focus shifted yeah and i was about as ubisoft as it gets it looks like developer for no 1800 is ubisoft blue bite yep so it's it's first party yep sorry about that uh max design only did the first two back in 1998 and 2002 make sure get that right for you guys i didn't play those ones

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2:32:24A lot of the same flavor of ice cream. Vanilla, baby. Just a lot of vanilla. Vanilla. It's just the color of the hair in your vanilla ice cream. Would you like darker hair in your vanilla ice cream? And a lot.

2:32:39Yeah, there's so much. Why is there so much hair in this ice cream? It's entirely too much. It's mostly hair with some vanilla. You mean none of them are balding and they all have beards? What's happening right now? My question is, where should the hair come from? Is it time to get an office cat? Yeah. I went to grab a granola bar from the cupboard before the WAN show today. And my first two attempts, the package had been opened by what appeared to be rodent teeth. Yeah. Did I tell you about the one time I took a meeting on the WAN set? No. I had to get a meeting. A meeting with Taryn went a little bit long.

2:33:24So I couldn't make it over the lab. I needed somewhere to sit. I checked the conference room. Conference room taken. I don't have time to just keep checking all the different areas. So I just ran out of the WAN side because I knew it would be free. I had a meeting here. I had to take a picture really quick for the WAN hoodie. And I picked up that sign, your A plus sign, and held it in front of me. And there was, I think, three spiders on the back. And they just left me alone. So I just held it with them there, put it back. Then while I was taking the meeting, sitting on the set, I saw not one, but two different mice running around the set.

2:33:58We could use a cat. We could maybe use two cats, one for each building or for each major building. So we used to have an employee that not only was quite allergic to cats, but not willing to overcome it, like not into cats. Got it. I think we would have to, maybe this could be a subject for the all hands on Monday. maybe we could maybe we could just basically go is anyone going to health reasons veto a cat well we can't do that in public we'd have to allow them to do it privately give us let us know yeah let us know yeah but otherwise we think we should we think we we need some we could we could use something i i the lab is infested by flies it's been the solution for thousands of years Yeah.

2:34:46Literally. At this point, you know, little houses that they go into or whatever, we're reinventing the wheel. The wheel is a cat. Yeah. So, okay. All right. I'm, I, at this point, I'm looking at it going, okay. And if someone does object to it, I think I would want to kind of talk to them and go, okay, well, like, here's the issue. Like, are the allergies worse than, because we clearly can't get the rodents under control. Maybe. and maybe and maybe the answer could absolutely be yes and that would be fine yeah it depends on the severity yeah but are the allergies worse than the risk of like rodent infestation being a health hazard because we've we've tried we've got traps freaking everywhere that's pretty bad they are but it's a huge space they literally ran past one so much clutter i was trying to get a video to prove that i saw two separate mice on the wancho set and while trying to film them which i failed to do because they were quick um i didn't think of it fast enough i saw one of the traps that they've just very clearly ran past yeah all right i think it's uh i think it might be time uh arrakis says ferrets are better mousers and are rarely an allergy concern yeah but they stinky yeah stinky litter box um whereas cats are we could get a couple robot litter boxes there's a few people that have said that would be a bad idea but i haven't seen a single person say why i do have calories and it can cause massive long-term issues massive long-term issues i've never heard of a cat allergy causing long-term issues yeah neither of us know what's going on so this might just you know not able to be a thing yeah and if it's not able to be a thing then it won't be a thing keep having mice or we'll put out more traps or maybe both yeah um can you get one of those hairless ones oh it's the hair that i'd be and we could get a peterbald isn't it the like dandruff or whatever that's usually the issue dander but they they apparently have like way less yeah peterbald let's go hyper energetic apparently you can also give them food which reduces it so maybe you get one of these and the food peterbald good look at him it's the saliva not the hair wouldn't that make it easier to deal with it because they don't have to lick themselves as much i think the the hairless ones um peter ball i don't know what's going on um they are not truly hypoallergenic because the blah blah blah well their lack of fur can mean less shedding and therefore fewer airborne allergens a person with a cat allergy can still have a reaction to the proteins in their saliva this is all ai though so who knows there are breeds that are supposed to have less um i like elijah's plan can we give everyone a gun to shoot the mice?

2:37:34This isn't Texas. That's a... Air gun? It's Canada. What gives them a rifle? Yeah, as long as it's under 495 feet per second, sure. No problem. Are they going to test it? Is it 495? I can't remember. I don't know. Paintball guns. Conrad said, I'm omega allergic to cats. Will break out in hives. I imagine other people are as well. It's possible. It's surprising to me how common that is. It's interesting. Apparently allergies, like kind of had like a peak when we were kids and apparently some of them are actually declining now like peanut allergies uh are on the decline now because um parents are being encouraged to expose their kids earlier or something i was reading about that the other day pretty wild yeah dude this is such a crazy fact uh try lumen in full plane chat so there's no rats in alberta have you seen the rat population map of the world yeah it's pretty funny it's nuts i actually brought that up with Linus Torvalds.

2:38:30His comeback was, oh, even rats don't want to live there. I was like, wow, damn. Shots fired. He seems funny. I've seen some of his stuff. Oh yeah, he's super funny. Oh, there we go. There's just an Alberta-sized hole. Boop. Incredible. Oh yeah, wow. I did have it right. 495 FPS is the below maximum until it's considered a firearm in Canada. Neat. Hey. I love this website that I found. Cities without rodents in the world. Alberta, Canada.

2:39:14Not a city, but okay. Good try. Yeah. Solid effort. Yeah. Oh, man. Google will allow experienced users to install Android apps that were made by unverified developers. Google is walking back their plan to lock down sideloading on Android. It's good news. In August, the company announced that starting next year, Android users would only be able to install apps made by verified developers. Now Google is saying that experienced users will still be able to install apps from wherever they want, although it will take a few extra steps and a handful of warnings. Google claims that the idea here is to curb malware without completely shutting the door on Android's openness.

2:39:56The change appears to be a response to heavy pushback from developers, industry groups, and everyday users who just didn't love Google deciding what trusted means. For a good reason. Discussion question here is, how do you combat companies just arbitrarily determining what an experienced user is or a trusted app? Because that's the one thing where I said, what does it mean is what are experienced users? experienced user means that you can navigate some prompts like basically what i'm imagining because they've already got warnings so i'm imagining that maybe you have to do something that's like kind of hidden like the tap five times to become a developer or whatever thing that's i'm imagining right now overall i see this as a positive step and i'm going to try not to be pessimistic about it you gotta get those braces fixed man when can you when can you get it done how long is it gonna be what am i supposed to do what would you have me do get the is it just the rubbers is it even that what is going on what is what is what is discovered not put rubbers in my mouth what is it at least not unaccompanied wow wow

2:41:13So right now I'll wear those dentist

2:41:21So I can explain that I can explain that so right now They are I have a stronger bar in the top than I did a week ago. They put like a thicker one in and in order to keep my teeth from separating like shifting apart okay they put what's called a power chain on it and basically sick i know right uh instead of individual elastics it's a chain of elastics that holds the bar in place and also keeps the teeth together so that's across the front um the power chain is not available in all the like fun colors that you can put on if you get the individual ones as far as i know anyway i actually didn't ask i've just been putting on the clear or the white ones up until now.

2:42:08But what's actually causing the discoloration problem. Oh yeah. So the white ones will discolor, especially with, um, very colorful food. So the issue is that I had nothing but curry for three days. So, which is wild. Uh, well, we actually, we ordered too much and my kids didn't want it. So what I'm going to do, throw it away. I waste it. Would you have me waste chicken? No. Oh no. That's what I'm talking about. Especially not now. And I ate all the chicken. Good. So the chicken was consumed. Exactly. 100 % success eating the chicken.

2:42:43In addition to that, I have this semi-permanent wax glue kind of thing that they paint on top of these brackets, and then they cure with a UV light. it seems to be pretty susceptible to curry stain and that's why this one fell off oh wait so it's not the power thing so that will turn color yeah as well but i've only had that for a week so it's actually the glue that's on top and if i don't wear it um these ceramic brackets they sit super proud off the tooth and uh i don't think yeah i don't i don't think you'll be able to tell but you can go for it oh that's rough oh that's really rough they are ludicrously sharp that's rough um like i've had braces before yeah the metal ones are you've mentioned that they're proud off the tooth those are crazy and so they sit prouder off the tooth and they are ridiculously sharp and they're sharp they have sharp corners and they're ceramic they're not smooth they have a kind of a texture it feels like they should have been able to solve the sharpness you would think so that's nuts um i'm surprised this isn't like a more widely known issue because i can't imagine how that wouldn't irritate me so as far as i can tell the company that makes these helps there be positive media about it, but you can find people complaining about how sharp they are.

2:44:25But I didn't Google it. I just was like, oh yeah, I don't know, 3D printed ceramic and it's faster. Yeah, let's do that one. I strongly regret the choice that I made. The inside of my mouth is always shredded and these glue things, they'll stay on. Again, I can't imagine how it wouldn't be. anywhere from a week to like a month um and then i but like my ortho has been pretty good about it i can go and i can just drop in i don't have to make an appointment i can go in any time and get them to to reapply them um but literally if it meant that my teeth could not look yellow um i don't even care because i'm going to have that glue on my teeth yeah and i'm going to keep eating butter chicken so go f**k yourself is there is there some can you discolor it with something else um because yellow is particularly would i look better purple like what are you even getting at here i think i should eat beets i think so because like in in your peripheral view it's just like a glow of yellow yeah yeah i saw some comments so so there were there were some new some new folks watching the uh the steam frame and steam machine videos those were far and away out performers for our channel so there's been some kind of new viewers coming in or people who haven't been around for a while and so there was uh more than you know with the core audience that watches all the time comments on the braces or and some that i apparently don't brush my teeth it's like no no i brush my teeth in fact i have to work very hard to brush my teeth because of my stupid orthodontics that are all over them but it's okay it'll only be another year

2:46:05you want your teeth to be yellow for a year dude no yeah i don't want it i wonder like someone someone suggested kool-aid kool-aid to color them a different color what why would i do that i'm not gonna do that i'm not gonna do that the green would that be better red what would you prefer you pick a pink pink teeth would look better no that would follow your style diseased yeah there's no proper color for teeth except white or a little bit yellow those are the only natural colors for teeth i'm sorry that's not a little bit yellow dude the curry was worth it it was delicious it's like the yellow in the mountain on your starry night shirt it's like that yellow it's it's not slightly yellow actually i have a bar of yellow hold on it's like it's like in here you start g76 okay outstanding uh they use different recipes at some of the locations so i can't really speak to any of the ones other than he just takes a photo standing in front of it and it's mostly of him other than store yep that's incredible this guy that's so good i asked the staff if he's like this in person and they were like yep he's just wearing a gucci jacket in one of them he is apparently he's not in these he is apparently exactly like this that sucks he's exactly like you would imagine and this is the kind of like decor they have i don't know if they have any pictures of the insides of the restaurants but like they always have mr bean playing in this one on the TV.

2:47:48That's awesome. Like the animated Mr. Bean. I don't know. It's super weird, but it's good curry. There's one showing up in Langley City. Nice. I'm excited about that. Solid. Ustad G76. Quality. My favorite Indian food place is gone. Oh, really? Which one? Masala Indian Bistro. Oh, bummer. Yeah. Yeah, my old favorite was actually taken over by Ustad G, and I got lucky because it's even better. It used to be called Taste of Punjab, that one. and then Eustad G came in and put some artificial turf up on the walls. Okay, so literally every single time the Flowplane team visits, we go to Masala. Yeah, AJ's pointing out our tradition.

2:48:25We go to Masala every time because it's like a few of their favorite restaurants, but like especially Jonathan, but like a few of people's favorite restaurants. And I don't think any of them knew it was permanently closed yet. But yeah. Eustad G76. Maybe. Yeah, we'll have to do something. Because Masala, I call it Masala. Look at this guy. bunch of he is a g it does kind of fit it does really fit like how dyed is that facial hair yeah but yeah it's gone if you if you if you google it it's gone and it was really highly rated and i honestly don't know why it's gone i hope it's for some good reason yeah probably not probably not they had a lot of people there it was really good very good speaking of good reasons jack dorsey felt he had a good reason to fund divine a vine reboot that includes vine's video archive and bans ai content however they're going to enforce that jack dorsey is backing the vine a reboot of vine through his non-profit and other stuff which is interesting because Twitter owned the old Vine before shutting it down in January of 2017.

2:49:40The app was created by Current and other stuff and former Twitter employee Evan Henshaw Plath, a.k.a. Rabble. Using data previously stored by Archive Team, which is also not the same as the Archive.org team, Rabble was able to restore 150 ,000 to 200 ,000 original Vines from 60 ,000 creators who can contact him if they want to take control of their reconstructed accounts. divine breaks from its short form video brethren by banning ai generated content it'll use tech from the human rights non-profit the guardian project to confirm that a clip was truly captured on a smartphone huh i mean okay i wish them does that work really good anyone no idea plus because it's built on nostr a decentralized protocol favored by dorsey and is open source okay i'm actually starting to think it might be cool developers can set up and create their own apps and run their own hosts, relays, and media servers.

2:50:36You know what? How did that suddenly get really cool right at the end? That started pretty s***, and now I'm open to it. That was really fast. I think that's about the fastest I've had my mind changed on something in recent times. Yeah. Okay, all right, Dorsey. I'll bite. Not everything you've done has been super duper amazing across the board. If we want another weird update, that's like sort of related to this uh this page got an update dig dig got an update we talked about this a while ago that they were launching dig again but now there's like a tagline for it humanity at the core technology at the edges we're building a human first community platform that places authentic community and connection at the forefront from day one i got an invite i've been too busy to actually sign up for it but i got an invite for this so maybe i'll be able to check it out and we can talk about it later um but it's interesting and that reddit has so much inertia oh yeah wouldn't even describe it as momentum it's more like inertia it just has this like mass that is just it's it's impossible to replicate for us it's massive yeah um our discussion question for the vine thing divine is um how a short form video evolved since fine's departure i mean honestly has it it's pretty similar yeah i think it's pretty similar it's less uh meme-y and funny and it's a little bit more definitely more addictive yeah like the the the masters of it have had a lot more time to master it dude it's still fascinating that lime vine sorry ever shut down fascinating yeah gotta be one of the craziest fumbles ever periscope sure what was its value add um i mean vine though was wild i mean i didn't care about vine um so many people did some of the most popular videos on youtube when vine was around was vine compilation like still it's like part of my personality yeah like yeah yeah i don't know like i i have to confess i didn't really get it i didn't really care didn't care about short form video um but it's it's clear that a lot of people did i mean i guess the idea was just to migrate those users to twitter but then it was never quite the same it's just it really captured like when we're talking silicon valley and capturing eyeballs it like really captured eyeballs i don't know i don't know if uh capping people at six seconds is still going to be interesting i don't know if that's gonna work that was sort of some of its downfall it did improve some of the quality because you actually had to construct a narrative in six seconds yeah a lot of people i've heard recently complain about tiktok because you'll it'll be like a one minute video and they just kind of never get to the point yeah you have to construct something in six seconds but yeah how do you monetize it cat os points out they did get rid of that in the in the near the end and then what's the point it's just tiktok but yeah but tiktok wasn't around too slow which is which is my point which is like vine was freaking huge i mean if you look at the people that just because vine died moved over to youtube and then became massive youtubers absolutely they had just smash hit as much as i might not like all of them they had smash hit creators on vine it was like a cultural phenomenon and they just shut it down wild i mean no one ever said twitter was a well-run company

2:54:19at any point at any point i mean that's been your stance has been pretty pretty clear on twitter being a dumpster fire then and now so is this really the only useful thing about twitter is that practically everyone has an account and you can DM people. I'm thinking about just deleting mine though. I think I just might be done. I still use the DM portion often enough that I don't want to get rid of it. It is still the easiest way for me to reach out to someone that I don't know and get a response. Unless that changes, I don't see myself deleting my account. I use Discord more than Twitter. Yeah, but how do you find the person?

2:54:58If I don't know the person yet. Yeah. Well, I guess I still, okay. So I have the luxury of still having the corporate Twitter if I really need to. So I could make a connection with that, which is, you know, it's verified, whatever that means these days. And it's got a big follower count. So it should, you know. Yeah. And to be clear, I like really don't use it that often. But if I'm like, hmm, this one person that I know of would be like really useful to talk to about this one topic, but I've never actually had a contact with them. Yeah, that's totally valid. Jump on Twitter, find them. It's the same reason I have Facebook, except that's for getting in touch with people in your life.

2:55:36Yeah. Exactly. I see no value to Facebook anymore, except... Marketplace. Well, yeah. Marketplace is very and s***ified now, but... But for only you, all the rest of us get boring Marketplace, and you get all the fun ones. No, I ruined mine. No. I actually bought some stuff, and now it's ruined. There was someone on Reddit talking about how they were Linus training their... I saw that. Dude, really funny. Crazy that it worked. immediate results so sick so sick training my marketplace to shoot an email next time then you might meet Torvalds here here it is one week update on my marketplace training taco bell nine feet tall good potential uranium glass slag question mark spirit s1 lsa shiny plane BMW 5 ton 6x6 Oh, BMW, excuse me Full tank of gas for a TI-84 CE Plus calculator Vertical machining centers Sure Full-size traffic light retired Plastic jersey barriers There's so much crazy stuff on Facebook Marketplace That's so cool You just have to be brave enough to click it I love, my favorite one was the potential uranium glass question mark.

2:56:59Yeah. I loved that one. Who knows what it is? Not me. It was so good. Pay me. Pay me, bitch. Like, what even is this? AI artist tops country music chart. Kind of. Kind of. I hate this title. AI generated music has routinely been charting over the past month or so, but the track Walk My Walk by Breaking Rust has landed at the top of Billboard's country digital song sales chart with over 3 million streams on Spotify. Which is a ton, but not why it's up there. It should be noted, however, that the Digital Song sales chart is not a mainstream chart and only required 3 ,000 sales in order to be topped.

2:57:42Sales are either 150 streams or a purchase from iTunes. This means you can easily top the chart with an iTunes gift card and some bots. And this is what I was going to add to this topic that I don't see in the comments, but a lot of the comments on it are clearly bought. Definitely. Clearly. And if you're going to bought comments, why not bought streams? Yeah. As an example, Disturbed's cover of The Sound of Silence, which is an awful cover, says Adam Sondergaard. I'm not taking a position on this, has been at the top of the alternative digital song sales chart for 400 weeks. That's a few. That's wild.

2:58:20That is a few. Casual eight years. Another AI artist, Zania Monáe, has been making headlines after signing a$3 million record deal and her gospel track, Let's Go, Let's Go, garnering millions of views across platforms. That's not it.

2:58:37That's not the title of the song. What is it? Oh, Let Go, Let God. Sorry. Yep. Yeah, that makes more sense. That doesn't actually make a lot more sense. or wait i guess it kind of does let go let's so it's jesus take the wheel which is far as far as my understanding is not the lessons you're supposed to take but i mean it's been a while so i could be wrong you could be i i wouldn't presume to i i can't i can't it's fascinating having a ai artist do religious songs there's got it there's something in there somewhere something in there somewhere yep yep um discussion questions would you go to the concert of a virtual artist i mean no no okay cool next question how is this different from bands like gorillas what about hatsune miku which performs songs written by a community well it's different because humans crafted that whereas this didn't next question can there be true artistic intent behind AI music?

2:59:48Artistic intent? Okay, well, hold on a second. I could see a poet making an argument that if they human-crafted lyrics and then an AI, like, generated song-somethinged them, there was at least some. There was more than zero. Dirt Dragon raises a very interesting point. All right, hit me. We should make... We probably won't even need to make it happen. It'll just happen. But if it doesn't just happen, we should make the Riley I'm taking a bathroom break top the charts what by botting it yeah you want to improve AI adoption yeah might as well use it for evil I mean good yeah sometimes they might be the same yeah uh he just left should we do something uh there's some topics in here that are not fully planned out so I won't do those what do we do it's not normal to have him just leave randomly i mean does he not want to talk about this interesting i can talk about this other topic uh sony announced a cheaper japanese language only ps5 exclusive to japan and they also revealed a playstation monitor the playstation monitor is wild we'll talk about that in a second sony announced a cheaper japanese all that kind of stuff.

3:01:11It's the first time they've region locked a console since the PS2 back in the year 2000. Like Nintendo's Japan-only Switch 2 model, this special PS5 is Sony's attempt at making the console more affordable domestically. Sony also announced a PlayStation-branded gaming monitor. The 2560x1440 monitor has an IPS panel and a 240Hz refresh rate, but the 240Hz refresh is only available when hooked up to a PC. Which is... What? Very interesting. What does that mean? It just runs at 120Hz when connected to PlayStation consoles. Huh. And it has a DualSense charging hook. They are publishing their games on Steam and PC now.

3:01:57This is maybe not that weird. The whole industry is getting very strange. What is happening? Xbox is being the weirdest out of all of it. We're going to get Xbox on the GameCube? It's like... It's a weird word. I don't know what's happening. Sony hasn't priced the monitor. They don't quote response times or brightness. And even Sony's quoted HDR capability is vague at best, with PC gamers saying that the monitor doesn't seem like a hugely compelling proposition for PC gaming.

3:02:32Interesting. When we don't even know the price, that's interesting. Discussion question. Do you have any memorable experiences with region-locked products? If you have to tell us your tales. If you don't have any anecdotes, what are your opinions on region-locking in general? I don't like region-locking. I am conflicted on the it's cheaper domestically thing. I think it's kind of based, even though I'm not going to benefit from it. And then how do you do that while actually making it so that it's cheaper for everyone because they just order the ones in Japan? so I don't know but in general I think region locking is kind of bad because it promotes e-waste problems what do you think?

3:03:19yeah I think so I mean these days it's just kind of strange to region lock anything it seems extremely unnecessary the whole world is super global now yeah Palin and TSE is no longer a thing no no I mean my thought would be taxes export that sort of stuff um you know i know japan is a little strange in some regards i mean there's talk of flying to japan to get like things cheaper than you could just importing them um which is which is very odd i wonder if that has to sorry i thought you're done talking about go for it binky draws i can't see you so i was about to say it's really hard yeah binky draw says is it actually region locked or is it only sold in one region and i don't Technically, no, but it says in here region locked, which would make me think it's not just only sold there.

3:04:15Another discussion question. What comes to mind is your favorite unexpected console branded product or peripherals? The, you know, PlayStation 3D, TV, GameCube or Dreamcast keyboard, etc. And I don't think I have one.

3:05:01that's very boring But yeah, that's kind of funky and weird. What is your thought on them making it cheaper in Japan? What do you think about that? Well, that makes me think that is definitely some sort of like, you know, export thing. Yeah. I feel like if there was a Canadian company and they made it cheaper for Canadians, I would think that was cool. I'm fine with that. I think if they're basically sacrificing their margins locally and putting it up elsewhere, that's fine. Sacrifice? Is that when you pretend to kill someone to appease the gods? Yeah, it sounds like it. Or do you actually kill someone to appease a fake god?

3:05:43Oh. A sacrifice. I think it could be either. Maybe it's one of those words with two definitions. Did I interrupt? Only slightly. uh playstation 5 exclusive version in japan it's region locked but it's cheaper also they released a monitor region locks are anti-consumer and should always be objected to yeah it's cheaper just like naming it the same thing when it's actually a different product we should always object to that it's cheaper for them so i think this is their way of making it cheaper for japanese people why is it cheaper for them this is fairly normal and if it's only sold in japan and it's cheaper no i mean what do you mean it's cheaper for them like for sony this region no for japanese people people in japan okay but you can only use it in japan or with japanese games or other stuff thing correctly which i think we are no it's still anti-consumer yeah they should just sell it for like more cheaper in japan if they really want to but then that's going to get abused immediately obviously but then like if they can afford to sell it for that much then they should just do that obviously not how that works you know that i mean even shipping something out of japan like it would have to be markedly cheaper for it to not make more sense to just that's fair buy it somewhere else when it's been shipped in bulk i don't know how much the discount is 5500 55 000 yen.

3:07:09Here, let's convert that.

3:07:14USD? Wow, that's really cheap. $355 compared to the normal one was... Is this a Pro or is it normal? I think it's normal. Digital edition. So it's the non-disc normal one. Yeah, it's still$350. People would buy them in bulk and ship them overseas. Um...

3:07:38Alright, I'm thinking. How else could you do this? I don't think you can. I don't like that there's region locking. I agree. I think it's anti-consumer as well. I don't like it. I think it's a bad contributor to things like e-waste and just not good things in general. Yeah. But I also think it's kind of cool that they're offering a domestic discount. I'd be okay with it if they committed to unlock it like when it's OL or something. X amount of years down the line? Yeah. That's cool. I like that. I think that would be a good compromise. I like that a lot.

3:08:13If the PS6 launches, you unlock all of them.

3:08:20Thinking. Or like a year into the PS6 being around. Okay, how would you feel about a device that rather than being region locked, was cheaper up front, but the games were more expensive? What about a global unlock code? if you have it in japan i'm just i'm just chit-chatting now oh so this has nothing what if they had a 300 playstation 5 but every game costs like 20 more knowing that most people will buy like between five and a dozen games or whatever so they they make their money in the longer term but it's basically it's choose your own adventure on whether you want one that's priced profitably in the first place with cheaper games or whether you want one that's priced cheaper but you know you're going to pay more for the games if you still had the option to buy the full price one would you object to them having like a cheaper subsidized i don't think so if you still had the option there's definitely people that will buy a console for two games yeah even one game in certain cases so that was fascinating to me when i first found out that there was like people who would play starcraft and not video games they would just play starcraft there was no other video games that they ever played i was like oh wow and then i started realizing that that was true for a bunch of different games i just first discovered it was starcraft my life for hire see i thought they were mercenaries my life for hire for the longest time.

3:09:50Did you actually? Yeah. That's fairly reasonable. I never like thought about that. But yeah, it does kind of sound like higher. I didn't know what zealot meant. So I just, yeah, I just thought. Zealot, I'm pretty sure is the right way to say it. I'm fairly certain I said zealot. Oh, I 100 % did. Yeah, so many years. 100%. So many years.

3:10:18Anyways, I don't think there's much more unpacking of that i really like the idea of the region lock just being timed though i think that's really cool i like that a lot it's pretty funny that the monitor only runs at its maximum capability is hooked up to a pc uh all right cool well did you guys already talk through this yeah okay all right cool we can close that then uh what else we got uh there's lots yeah there is there's so much uh we can do here a couple rapid fire topics a group of u.s lawyers has documented 509 cases of ai misuse in court filings no notes that's terrible that's rough the uk is probing whether chinese-made yutong electric buses on british roads can be remotely disabled um yeah so this is bad because norway discovered that its chinese-made buses can be remotely turned off by the manufacturer um this needs to not be a thing and not specifically because these buses are made in china but again because like calling a product the same thing or region locking it's just bad when you buy something you bought from anywhere and you should have easy access to find information about it and you should have the right to use it in whatever the country you want.

3:11:40That's it. I object, Your Honor.

3:11:48What else we got? Hackers! Speaking of right to repair and right to use things you bought, hackers are reviving Google's discontinued Nest thermostats with an open source project called No Longer Evil. Yes, hard to believe. Incredible name. Google recently abandoned their Nest thermostats, making them no longer smart because Google moved them to end of life and ripped functionality out of them. They were launched between 2011 and 2014. Cody Kosiemba has personal incentive to revive these thermostats due to prior clashes with Google, but also a possible$15 ,000 financial incentive from Fulu to bring bricked devices back to life.

3:12:33This is cool. The thermostat believes that it is communicating with the official Nest infrastructure, but instead connects to the no longer evil platform. This approach ensures full compatibility with the device's existing software while breaking free from Google's cloud dependency. The firmware images and backend API server code will be open sourced soon, allowing the community to audit, improve, and self-host their own infrastructure. How cool is this? The firmware upgrade from GitHub is still in the development stage so uh the usual precautions apply but it can be easily integrated into home assistant using mqtt or rest apis after applying the firmware the user will be met with a new greeting now made with 100 less evil freaking love it and our discussion question is should right to repair regulations be updated to include rules that provide immortality for evil devices the answer is yes it needs to be done yesterday this needs to be dealt with instead of whatever the crap it is that legislators are doing right now.

3:13:34Oh, there's more bad news, though. Memory prices are set to skyrocket due to demand from AI data centers. This was prepared by Mr. Pankratz. SanDisk has reportedly raised its NAND flash price contracts by 50 % for November. Numerous module makers have paused shipments to re-evaluate their quotes. Transcend has suspended quoting and deliveries starting November 7th, anticipating, this is a quote, favorable market conditions. This comes as the memory market is being dominated by demand from AI data centers and constrained wafer supply. So this is a really important point for folks that are looking at this going, well, why is DDR4 RAM affected?

3:14:17That's older. Why is gamer memory affected? It's because you still make RAM out of the same wafer, whether it's going into a server or a phone or a laptop or a gaming computer or whatever the case may be okay that's not quite true like ddr4 ram might actually not necessarily be made on the latest nodes but still in general you are constrained by how much fab time there is um so in response to constrained wafer supply oh it's the wafer supply specifically okay okay so it would be constrained by supply of the actual wafer so that would affect any manufacturing process. So in response, manufacturers have shifted their production focus away from products like consumer SSDs and DDR4 to more profitable DDR5 and HBM.

3:15:03This is causing a rise in pricing across all memory-related products. Here's an interesting memory price trend page from PC Part Picker. Whoopsie doodles. Here's the last 18 months. Stable, stable, stable, stable, stable. Oh no! DDR4-3600. stable stable down down down up up stable stable stable yeah so this blows

3:15:35neat

3:15:39while customers are left scrambling to adapt transcend inno disk and apacer reporting revenue increases exceeding 60 year over year for q3 so bully for them i suppose um discussion question is if you're looking to purchase flash storage or ram would you aim to buy now or try to wait it out you could be waiting it out a very long time um ai data center demand won't collapse until the bubble pops and what is what is it they say the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent yeah yeah yeah fun times in other news uh ai powered russian humanoid robot walks on stage and falls on its face.

3:16:20Sounds about right. All the non-Russian ones are held up by chains and cables, so I don't know who's doing better. I don't think that's true. Unitree looks pretty impressive at this point. Here's a video over on... Yeah. Unitree's dope. Here's a video from Blue Sky. Oh. Wow, this is very far behind. Oh, boy. and oh wow oh wow and there it goes oh oh it's funny you could tell they knew it was screwed yeah you could tell that it's uh it's russian because it had some vodka before it went out on stage wow wow wow um the creators accompanying the robot and some crew immediately try to pull the robot off stage and hide broken leftover pieces with a large black cloth after Aldol, that's the name of the robot, threw itself off a building.

3:17:22Sorry, I mean fell over on the stage.

3:17:28Oh, here's another fun one. This is another kind of rapid fire one. We sponsored a smaller creator. Rude. You might have heard of them. Oh my god. Ads. Love it. hey but this is also a much smaller sponsorship watching their ad

3:17:49hold on i gotta find it

3:17:55i actually don't know where the uh well there it is hey you might know this guy i think i've seen him before i've seen some very interesting speculation that we are like on terrible terms or something with people who leave the team or, you know, whatever. It is our earnest goal to be on good terms with anyone who departs here. And it is our genuine wish that they continue to be successful outside of LMG. I mean, look at it this way. Let's assume that I was entirely driven by my own narcissistic ego assume let's assume that we don't know that but let's assume it would i want someone to have a five-year career or 10-year career here and not come out with useful skills such that they could be a success right it would it would just speak more well to you if they did how would that reflect on your company me and this organization yeah i mean i'm always talking about it world-class team you know let's assume the worst possible set of assumptions about me even then would i have an interest in people flying free and then falling flat on their faces if it's worse possible assumptions then sure but i'm extrapolating this a little bit too far i mean okay i mean the worst possible reasonable assumptions about my character oh you added reasonable though we're okay what what assumptions could you make about my character such that i would want alex and andy to fail if it's worst possible assumptions that i could make anything you just like hate people and everyone and you want it's like that quote of like my success means nothing if others do not also fail have you heard that before uh but but my success can also be measured by the success of people that i agree i agree you said worst possible i guess that would be that would be terrible there's people like that um okay i mean that's really stupid um anyway yeah so the the point is i'm i'm very i'm very excited this is actually not the only um move yeah that you guys will uh that you guys will see we've got some some pretty cool i don't i don't want to i don't want to spoil anything because i don't want to take any of the the wind out of the sails of the people who are going to be you know doing their own because because that's the thing, right?

3:20:47Is they're on their own. They're doing their own thing, which I'm very pro-entrepreneurship. I've always been pro-small creators. I've always been pro-consumer. I've always been pro-entrepreneurship. So I want to see people spread their wings and fly and I want to let them kind of talk about the partnership in their own authentic voice before I go and put any words in their mouth. But this will not be the last, this will not be the last sort of collaboration slash partnership with people who used to be on payroll and no longer are it might not be hard to stretch that far considering you did personally go out of your way to make us that I couldn't meet Linus Torvalds so you know that even if only 0.1 % of people are stupid enough to believe you right now.

3:21:43That is still 10 people. So you fucked me. Way to go. But there's also the VOD. You fucked me 10 times. Plus the VOD. That's not enough. I gotta pump those numbers up. The rookie numbers. Oh, man. Yeah, it's cool. I think that's awesome.

3:22:09very cool people have any questions you ask is lmg becoming a creator university you get paid to be at i don't i don't i don't know i mean we've talked about the worst thing we've talked about this a fair bit lately right like what is my legacy yeah if that happens but we get you know if company hat firmly on if we get good value out of them while they're here yeah and then if they fly free yeah why shouldn't we be happy about that leave companies we have existed for so long at this point yeah 13 years and like if we want to keep existing for say that amount of time longer people are going to continue to leave that's what it is a fact of having companies basically there are some people as well that like they just have it in their veins that they're going to be running their own thing they're going to be an entrepreneur at some point just born to be an entrepreneur that's fine that's want them here sure if they want to be here a while have some have some drive grow they tend to be motivated people you're probably going to be here for at least a few years they tend to be innovators we will have definitely gained thing as a gained things as a company from you in that time uh and then you can fly free if you want and look i'm not necessarily stay forever i'm not necessarily you know looking for suggestions for people for us to work with we we make a good faith effort to part on good terms with everybody.

3:23:37That doesn't necessarily mean that we succeed every time. You know, and a door is never completely shut, almost never completely shut.

3:23:52But we're definitely going to make the call in terms of, you know, who we are interested in partnering with, right? Because you look at the way that we choose our sponsors, it's going to be the same kind of thing. We're going to, just like we partner with sponsors who we believe have strong character and we hold them accountable, in the same way, the people that we're going to partner with in terms of sponsorships, we're going to be selective. And that applies across the board, you know, whether someone's a former employee or whether someone isn't. You can expect to see, in general, a lot more creator sponsorships coming from us in the coming months.

3:24:28And I'm actually super stoked about it. It's, um, it's pretty cool to kind of go full circle from being the, the sponsor to the sponsor. It's weird. It's super weird. It's very weird. It's weird looking at a video from the other end, if that makes sense. Yeah. And like, and like, I don't have to do the negotiations on this stuff myself. Right. But like, obviously, you know, for me to, to kind of just throw the money out there and hope that the end product, you know, and my team is, you know, making sure that everything goes smoothly and, and their link is correct. Like little stupid things that we know we have to deal with on our side and just kind of seeing it from the, from the brand side.

3:25:12It's really weird. yeah i was trying to scroll through his video to find the sponsorship on my own laptop and i and i found it and i want to watch this with sound because his intro into it looks funny but um this is extremely unrelated but he talks about aseto corsa um aseto corsa yeah they have a new game that's in early access right now called aseto corsa rally that i'm like really hyped for have you played it at all i haven't i gotta get my sim rig set up you have to tell me how this is yeah because i used to love the dirt games i when's the last dirt that came out well i mean i'm a dirt one stan second one was kind of not as good in my eyes but having it in in an aesthetic orsa engine is going to be amazing i am very very excited there's i read the reviews there were some comments on it like you know they don't have the physics dialed yet and stuff like that so i'm interested in hearing what you have to say and this is what i use vr for all the time that's why i kind of like that high-end tethered experience like dude this this is what i meant when i was like i don't know that i'm really going to regret buying the big screen beyond probably because if i can wear the big screen beyond to play this that's what i want it for you know the the the heavy index does get kind of like irritating when you're rapidly shoulder checking um right yeah right because i do some eye racing on the side too and like you're you're basically like sitting there whipping your head about for three four hours straight sometimes and it gets exhausting yeah sorry i know that was quite the gear shift um but i'm very i'm very hyped for that game i was going to steam to look for the official page for the new hardware they're launching and that came up first for me and i was like oh nice anyways yeah it's exciting i like the idea i gotta check that out yes yes i haven't had a functional computer in a well desktop in a very long time so who knows but um it's it's cool i like the idea of working with creators that have worked here in the past i like the idea of fostering those relationships i like this concept that like if we last for a long time we might end up building our own kind of like ecosystem of creators around here i don't know if our own is fair enough to say but like we could end up contributing towards uh an ecosystem of creators around here because you know like there's many but there aren't like a ton in our space at least creators in the tech technology bc area um so just like effectively kind of contributing towards that being more of a thing would be pretty cool canada tech creator valley sure sweet it sounds awesome to me yeah i don't need a new computer uh it's my my apartment is effectively non-functional meaning my computer is like put away right now all right i think it's time for land show after dark are we done all the topics did we do it we're done we did it all right

3:28:36heck yeah let's go what oh i just thought you might read a merch message i was making it getting purple he's doing work oh i thought i curated this one uh the one thing i couldn't get out of linus t was i couldn't get him to say i'd like to interject for a moment

3:29:01he didn't like he didn't think it was funny i was like okay well actually i wasn't like okay i tried really hard i think i overheard some of that yeah i was getting more and more upset for you uh no yes it was stallman but that's exactly what's funny about it it's stallman was it the point is i what i tried to get him to do i was going to refer to him i was going to refer to myself as linus and i wanted him to say i'd like to interject for a moment what you're referring to as linus is in fact linux linus uh or as i've taken to calling it but like he was just like i don't think it's funny i'm like okay i see what you're going for i can understand him not thinking that's funny yeah i thought it was very funny though yeah so i tried i tried i i almost died on that hill sure fortunately he didn't just pack his bags and leave yeah this is not worth actually dying on but i i can definitely appreciate an effort sammy fucked me by like not getting the reference i was like no no people will get the reference it'll be really funny and i was like sammy sammy you're dialed in to like internet but he like didn't know i'd like to interject for a moment sammy's dialed into brain rot oh it's not the terrible thing yeah yeah yeah it completely f***ed me on that one okay buying the computer the commuter bag for my wife a soon to be doctor of physical therapy this would be a good professional backpack nice do either of you have any funny or interesting stories about physical therapists physical therapy humor dan what are you even trying to do right now i don't know curate this you have elbow i when i was having crazy knee problems sure okay funny i tried to solve it through physical therapy i ended up solving it with youtube videos which is strange but okay i went to multiple physiotherapists at first one of them wanted to do needles but it was like little ones yeah needles are always correct me on because there's like big ones and little ones and people i say acupuncture or whatever the other one is they correct me whatever it was little needles they're putting them in my quad and she ended up like sending me away as a client like oh i will not do this with you anymore i can maybe do other things with you but we will not do this because she'd put them in my quad and then my quad would go and bend them all right so you were breaking all her needles yeah nice okay that's pretty funny all right that's the best i got didn't they also tell you that you were weird as as all hell like very strange client because you actually did the exercises as you you were assigned yeah yeah my current physiotherapist said that basically i had a i don't know what it was i had problems with my thumbs i screwed up both of my thumbs which was kind of weird and he gave me a bunch of like little hand push-ups and like all these other weird things and then i came back to him and was like we're good let's work on something else but like the thumbs are good and he was like what which was great that's cool all right well i have nothing for funny physical therapy stories, but I do have some validation of that merch message that the commuter bag is awesome.

3:32:13I got this from the head robot at dbrand a few minutes ago. Got the CW holiday care package. Genuinely so good. Thanks, team. Loved it. I'm going to out him here. I'm going to do it. Kept the commuter bag for myself. Tossing my peak design. Oh.

3:32:35usually companies don't name other companies leaked the dm sammy did it to me today seems fair yep seems fair seems fair you know what that is actually like a killer endorsement because you know you know what the head robot is like in terms of attention to detail and quality and appearance i'm sure and you've seen how expensive the head robot's stickers are. So surely the head robot could afford any backpack that he or she desired. So with all of that in mind...

3:33:13Okay, what's next? Cue for Luke! If you had a nickel for every time you missed out on a gigantic Linux related event, you'd have two nickels! Which one hurts more? This one. What was the first one? I don't even know what could even compare to this that's this is the one to end all one I'm sure I could search my brain vault and find it I vaguely have a memory of that being a thing but there's too much recency damage that I can't I can't even I think the term is recency bias no just damage

3:33:54sorry dude Vance is nothing if he's not efficient. Up next. High, overly charismatic man, Dan and chicken in sauce pan. These are getting very creative. You've heard of price to performance. Now you're hearing of size to annoyance. What is the smallest...

3:34:20What is the smallest thing?

3:34:25Linus excluded that bothers you most.

3:34:32All right. I like it. That's a good question. That's a quality merch message. Because it's Linus excluded? I'm going to go. No, I mean, if I was the smallest thing that annoyed you the most, it would be good for me to know. I'm going to go with eating sounds. that is actually my barometer for if i'm in a bad mood because sometimes i can't tell but if someone is chewing a little bit next to me and they don't have their mouth open or anything but i can just hear eating noises i get a bit of misophonia i don't love eating noises at the best of times um like my my stepdad oh he used to drive me nuts because he would he would eat cereal with his mouth open and to be clear my stepdad is the best stepdad that ever walked the face of the earth he's pretty great i was never treated any differently from his own blood children and that is something that is maybe not completely unique but it is pretty darn special for a step parent to have to for for me to go through i don't know how many like i don't know how many years i lived with them or even before i lived with them like the second he married my mom i was his kid i was his son and i called him dad call my dad dad too but whatever dad dad two dads turns out it doesn't f**k you up that much it's obviously different context

3:36:14the point is

3:36:20we have a literal button on the show the point is he wasn't much of a quiet eater um and so it's i've always known that it's something that kind of like bothered me but i've i've outgrown it i've like mostly gotten over it except when i'm low blood sugar or i haven't had enough sleep or usually both i'll be like i'll realize i'm like holding something kind of tight and yvonne's just like sitting there like eating something i'll be like okay i need to deal with this because i am about to like slap the food out of her hand if i don't deal with my mood right now so that i'd say that's mine i've had the the eating noises thing as well but i think a more recent so like current one and i it feels almost irrational well that's the thing but i mean that's basically what we're being asked right it drives me insane when someone is there there are forms of it that are okay but it's like when it's quiet enough that you're doing this or yeah this um but if you if you're playing stuff on your phone on speakers in public oh i mean that's that's not even a small thing but this has been confusing to me big thing it's been confusing me because like i was waiting at a train station recently and someone was playing music out of a bluetooth speaker attached to their backpack just walking around yeah and it drove me nuts no that person's just a fucking ass but then somebody drove by Somebody drove by in a car that had fairly loud music that didn't bother me That's interesting cuz that I thought was weird they both bother me equally hmm.

3:38:10They don't bother me equally Okay, let's go in between what about someone with their Bluetooth speaker hanging off of their cycle their bike their bicycle That's the word I feel like that would bother me because I feel like I was trying to unpack this Yeah, I don't know for the cycle would be interesting to like have it happen and then try to evaluate but yeah okay the car one to me is it's like it's theoretically their space and it's leaking out of their space yeah but they very clearly don't need it to be that loud in their space they're literally damaging their hearing and they're making it your problem that's true i also wonder like if their window was open would that change for me or not i'm not sure i don't know okay what if they were in their own house but their music was so loud that you could hear it inside your own house this is an interesting one as a condo dweller this is the thing that happens and i generally try to respect it because i'm like you know what we're all stuck in this big thing together what if it was detached homes and you could still you could hear their music clearly i feel like if it was a event or a movie nope it's just always like every day that's pretty annoying yeah we actually then it might change if this is a garage band nope okay we had to go confront this asshole back when we were uh when brian the electrician and i were filming the uh installing ac in my attic thing because it was so loud we couldn't film from a from a house away um and i actually i probably still have audio of the interaction somewhere but basically like this guy was the biggest piece of garbage ever like as we walked up to the door the like two-year-old two to three-year-old was about to come bolting out and i like like there's a road and i like stopped him and the first thing he says to me is don't touch my son and i'm like bro i wouldn't need to if you weren't an utter delinquent um what a way to start a conversation i'm not saying what you said is that i just the whole scenario and dude this house was so loud like when the door was opened we're talking hearing damage for that kid like crazy and he's like i have to have it like this i'm a dj i'm like So you're the world's first DJ that hasn't heard of a f***ing pair of headphones?

3:40:37You gotta be kidding me right now They literally have headphones designed Oh dude, this guy's a piece of work These actually like do it You can turn the cup Wild Wow Wild I don't think I've had much of a dumber conversation with any like otherwise seemingly coherent functional human being Also like Man You are not recreating the speaker setup at the club with your home thing. If you can get... I actually don't know this because I don't partake, but if you can get high from secondhand marijuana smoke, that kid was probably high. Like, it was intense. You can. Oh, okay. Well, there you go. Man. Brutal.

3:41:24Brutal neighbor. I think it's called Contact High. i'm sure someone in full point chat will correct

3:41:35no okay yes something like that yeah i feel really bad for the kid too it's like i can't feel bad for an adult that is just like an idiot and harms themselves i just don't really care that's they're an adult and they they have agency contact high is psycho psychosomatic oh apparently it's fake huh you just think you're high never mind that i don't know denrick says we used to call it hot boxing yes it's a contact high well apparently there is some there is some disagreement about that

3:42:13i'm gonna consult the sands the sans say yes what's the sans ai you gotta be kidding me okay let's move on this guy i was doing it as a joke uh i know i know ah they said washroom i was looking for this one i tried bathroom restroom all that sort of stuff question for luke while linus is in the washroom probably gen ai is being compared to the industrial revolution short-term disruption with long-term benefits how much carnage until the good part so tell me something the industrial revolution benefit yes but to everyone no or was the benefit massively inequal and is it in fact worse for people who are on the lower rungs of the social ladder than things were before i'm talking like you're sifting through you know the shipped off you know cadmium infested remains of technology in some place where they're literally just like burning this stuff to get to the precious metals that are in it like um the industrial revolution was highly beneficial to the owner class in the developed world i'm not convinced that it was necessarily beneficial to every human being on earth it's interesting because like you could argue a lot of medicines and stuff wouldn't have been possible really without more advanced technologies that came from things like the industrial revolution 100 and those benefited people but they sure as heck didn't benefit anyone who's not proportionately benefited getting access to what you described yeah yeah yeah interesting uh to more directly address oh no i wasn't done okay keep going gen ai same thing i think that's what we're gonna see i think we're gonna see short-term disruption to in equally to people and i think we're going to see long-term benefits very in equally to i'd even wager even more in equally possibly i also think it has an interesting effect um wendell wendell shared me a meme recently that i couldn't agree with more um not not directly you know whatever it's still a meme but um if it would load what discord hello uh anyways it was something along the lines of like if if the world realized how fast um like local ai is getting extremely good here it is yeah it's it's a a tweet apparently uh if people understood how good local llms are getting the stock market would crash tomorrow um and it was a response to a tweet that said anthropic doesn't want you to know but you can self-host LLM like Quinn and use it in Claude code for free.

3:45:25There is an interesting side effect of this where the beneficial part for some people is happening now. It's less applicable to some and it's highly applicable to others. Locally hosting this stuff is expensive and not the easiest thing for everyone to do. But you can also gain access non-locally hosted. That was just kind of an aside for actually quite cheap and in a lot of cases completely free and it's enabling this like i i don't remember who was talking about it but it's there are some comparisons you can make to renaissance knowledge education speed of learning and ability to jump into something from nowhere and get to a fairly uh competent point has like never really been easier flip side speed of misinformation and disinformation for sure like there are i'm not i'm not trying to hide that there are extreme negatives right i'm saying that in some cases there are there are the ability for one person to leverage themselves very highly i don't think has ever quite been at this level before no which is i agree which is very very interesting and some people are already turning that into like highly positive beneficial situations overall what we're doing is enabling the surveillance of extreme garbage and slop massive amounts of surveillance state because self-hosting is so expensive that you're probably doing it through some other system which is harvesting every single thing you've ever typed into it building profiles on you like we've never seen before like only wet dreams of early google um like there's there is so much bad but in almost everything especially this complicated there is diamonds in the rough and there are people that are utilizing this stuff to extremely beneficial personal and i mean small small person degrees social mobility is i guess what you're trying to massive amounts of it for specific people who can think of a way to leverage it yeah for themselves positively but that doesn't change what i said about the benefit being highly inequal and all knowing socks says even homeless people have supercomputers in their pockets the industrial revolution came with new problems but was overall beneficial but i think you're missing part of what i was saying and yeah a homeless person in the usa is probably in a better position than that same homeless person in southeast asia or india oh well yeah um and like the usa is actually a very small portion of the global population like i don't know that um i don't know that he literally did divide it up by like countries yeah people in western countries i don't think necessarily always remember how uh in the minority we are in general um yeah it's going to be a rough uh and frankly all of this i mean we gotta keep in mind all of this is coming from the perspective of someone who is much less likely to be harmed by any of this um oh yeah uh yeah like we're we're gonna be fine we're in a position to leverage ai leverage this revolution um invest capital and benefit from it like it's uh um like when i say this is bad i don't mean bad for me i just i mean bad like generally it's yikes which i hope i said correctly said dude the did i just lose audio did you just unplug i'm sorry i'm just fidgeting uh said dude the people in chile that sort ores and chemical baths for like 20 cents a day it's absolutely crazy yeah they are not better off than they would have been in like a more agricultural society 200 years ago.

3:49:32I pretty much promise you that. Yeah. It's weird. But yeah, there are... I'm sorry. Is it working? There we go. And like the uncontacted people in South America that are getting like mercury poison from illegal gold mines, they're not better off. That makes sense. Yeah. But I mean, it's... I think it's important to see both ends of it at the same time and hold both sides of it in your mind. I think you need to have a more accurate perspective on it, I guess. I think you need to recognize the good sides and recognize the bad sides. There are absolutely ways that it has helped. I think the modern renaissance version of it is something that shouldn't be ignored, even while you can hold and understand the concepts of the negatives that it is also creating.

3:50:26And I mean, bots makes a good point. You know, scholarly papers I've seen on global food security show it's way better globally than before the Industrial Revolution, as is medicine. And that's fine. But that doesn't change that a generally good thing can still be worse for some people. And that was the entire point was that this is not a universal benefit. Yeah. Like the Industrial Revolution, this is not going to universally elevate people. There are people's lives who will be worse for it. There are also people's lives who will be better for it. And some where it will be much better. But it does seem like this one steers even farther toward benefiting the haves at the expense of the have-nots.

3:51:16And the surveillance one is a huge one that we didn't touch on too much, but is a major element of this. I don't know that in another 30, 40, 50 years with autonomous tools for population management and cameras everywhere, I don't know that peasant uprisings will still be possible. I don't know that you'll still be able to overthrow a corrupt dictator. I don't know that it will be possible anymore. Something makes me want to push forward the indomitable human spirit. I feel like we'd find a way, but I understand what you're saying. I hope so. I still have that hope. There's a lot of, you know, the Gen Z uprisings and stuff.

3:52:08There's a lot of crazy stuff going on right now. Yeah. And big and in a lot of ways good. But there's no army of impervious robot dogs with AI-controlled turrets on them. Hacker bros, dude. Hacker bros. Let's hope for the best. Hacker bros. The hacker bros are goaded. But how are the North Koreans doing, even now? But that has nothing to do... I mean, they're definitely using population management tools. I guarantee you they're using AI yeah

3:52:47100 % the wealthy pitting us lessers against each other yeah I mean for sure well it's the cookie thing there are few truer memes than the cookie meme

3:52:58big time how is that not the first cookie meme Google are you trying to hide this from me

3:53:09i could i could see cookie monster stuff being shared oh wow yeah but still how far do i have to go for this i'm a little surprised it hasn't shown up yet

3:53:21there we go top top left

3:53:28i don't know what it says but this is the meme yeah it's basically this yeah yeah yeah

3:53:44uh but anyways yeah it's you know if you can afford i'm once i get my stupid condo to livable again um i'm planning on trying to figure out local hosting in a big way for a for a wide variety of things um but including local lm and ai services i don't really want to use public ones much moving forward um i want to shift to that uh largely inspired by wendell i was already planning on it but largely inspired by wendell um and i would highly encourage all of you to explore it. I understand it can be expensive. There are also much cheaper ways to approach it. Used hardware is obviously a good way to go.

3:54:32The Mac stuff is very, very interesting. And if you can't jump in now, there's always the possibility that these big data centers will be updating cards eventually. And what you can run now on that level of hardware will be runnable in the future on that level of hardware. So you might be behind, but you'd have at least what we currently have today at your usage. There was a pretty good little chat message here. CoordinatedCarrie asks, can you name one change with truly universal benefit? I'm going to go with open source.

3:55:20anyone it harmed had it coming

3:55:25i just got kind of i've got mr torvalds on the mind i can i can counter that okay counter that hit me because there's been malware distributed through open source stuff there has been there's been ways that was open source that i don't think but it enabled it it enabled it but net did it make the life of that person who was infected with malware worse that's that's pretty because overall it contributed so much positive to their life too i have to look through some of the some of the cases of open source is a pretty good one um open source or source available that is a good question walker 161 penicillin yeah penicillin was pretty dope well where's not exclusive open source never said it was yeah not even a little bit didn't even sort of say that I do indeed like both hot dogs and hamburgers.

3:56:18All right. Insulin. Yeah, insulin was pretty sick. That's a pretty good argument. That was us, wasn't it? Yeah, Canadian innovation. Let's go. You're welcome. Based, based, based, based. Did he sell it for a dollar? Something like that. Based. Absolutely based. Based. And yet somehow it still costs a lot of money in some places. Ridiculous. Yeah. In spite of our industrial medicine. Okay, carry on, Dan. Hey, Big L. Remember when the internet tried spotting your face in computer case reflections back when Slick PC kept things secret? Was it all fun or did it ever feel like stalking or doxing? It's kind of hard to even remember.

3:56:58I thought it was pretty fun. I think I thought it was fun. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we both thought it was pretty fun. I think so. It's genuinely been... I was talking to clients about this the other day. It's been almost half my life. Because the whole thing was stupid and didn't matter. Like the only reason for the secrecy was because the original NCIX cameraman didn't and still doesn't want his name out there. And so it started with calling him the cameraman because he didn't want his name used. And then I was like, well, this has become kind of a shtick for the channel. So now it's just a thing.

3:57:32So you need a nickname because it's Linus and nickname person who's off camera. And then, but it didn't, it never mattered. It wasn't like Luke asking. It wasn't like the cameraman where Luke cared. So it was just for the memes. I also didn't care that I was being hidden either. Like I just didn't care. It got kind of dumb eventually, but. Eventually. Then we changed it. Yeah. And then it was fine. It just didn't really matter that much in either direction until it got dumb. Hey, thanks for your purchase. Hi, DLM. Hi, DLM. in retrospect do you have components of flow plane labs or other development projects you wish you had gone with a commercial product rather than developing on your own thanks for the merch one of the one of the problems so i can i can point at a bunch of stuff on flow plane and be like yeah but one of the problems was a lot of them didn't exist at the time or they might have existed but their continued existence was very questionable to the point where we even picked something that we went with that uh still technically exists but like not really and we're somewhat locked into it so or the existence seemed solid but it was very expensive or that like there was always a reason for doing things the way that we did yeah it didn't stay reasonable yeah always yeah uh and there's some stuff that we will still probably pivot off eventually there's some stuff that we already have um and and that'll keep changing over time but like i think the initial decisions made along the path were were very reasonable considering the knowledge we had at the time i understand that's not the question that you're asking um you're saying in retrospect uh but yeah at the time the decisions were made there was usually not an option that made more sense um if we could have snapped our fingers and known that certain systems were going to remain or that certain systems would have had uh very effective price decreases or whatever there's a couple changes uh it would be pretty sick to actually i mean it's been pretty good for a while now but we went through a lot of trials and tribulations with transcoding um our current system is pretty dope transcoding all the backlogs for the the uh sauce plus stuff while also transcoding like jeff geerling's backlog upload all at kind of like the same time and no one noticed and it was like really fast and very parallelized was sick it was very cool to like do that sort of on our own we talked about this uh i think last week but we have auto generated um ai generated uh closed captions yep on uh automatic or automatic ones on float plane now we're doing the compute on that that is whisper oh sorry yes yeah but we're not we are doing the it's running like on our stuff yeah and like that's cool yes i like i like do it's yeah anyways so yeah i i don't know uh for the lab uh what what exactly was the question was there something well you weren't involved in a lot of the early decisions so i wouldn't so i'm sure he to do it differently but that doesn't necessarily mean that um luke sort of made a mistake or whatever or even that it was a mistake it's just everyone has a different philosophy yeah all right dan hit me hi lld i got to go to ibm's future of tape event and jesus tape well wow and see their development eight track but no tape is we're doing nine tape is legit i know don't make fun of tape man and see their development uh lab for physical and virtual tape virtual tape hard drives insanely cool it's virtual tape would enterprise tape be interesting enough for an ltd video i have a guy we've done some videos on tape i don't know what more there would be to say other than yep here's the new generation tape and um it's more denser so we did we did this a number oh my god that was seven years ago we got a$5 ,500 tape drive and um you look so baby I know right and and this is it it's thunderbolt go figure and I think we still have it somewhere um I I don't know that it's changed enough that I would have anything new to say about it in the last seven years it's it's it's faster and more denser but if I'm missing something here please let me know okay virtual tape is interesting actually ibm ts 7700 virtual tape library 4.2 petabytes for high performance workloads uh looks like that which is sick um the new ibm ts 7780 virtual tape library the latest in the generation operates at disk or ssd speeds while maintaining and this is the part what made it make sense compatibility with existing tape operations okay so it's just not tape but it like acts like it so if you have systems that are expecting tape type operations it will work okay 46 petabytes of capacity delivered in an easy to use easy to service ibm diamondback tape library that thing no no uh that's the tape one.

4:03:08Is that not what this is talking about? That's the actual tape. As well as IBM storage deep archive. Ah, okay. Cool. Alright. Yeah. Neat. Cool. I've never once used tape stuff. I've always thought it's very fascinating. It's very cool. Yeah. And I've said everything I have to say about it, I think. Nice. At some point, I wonder if we should just wipe the channel and start over. No. Why not? But I think you should effectively do that in regards to video creation like just remake videos i don't think there's a reason to delete your evergreen but i do think it is sometimes ridiculous to be like we can't make a video on that we've made it before nine years ago as if like that really matters i don't i don't think that makes sense um my and i i do think we should recreate videos if they're beyond like a certain time threshold because it's all about the the notification and stuff right like for for a lot of people they're not going to search up a lot of these things they're looking for you to tell them and if you don't release a video on it now you have not told them i think it's totally reasonable i'll think about it hit me dan l and l all the steam news resurfaced the old wan show episode with the legendary total biscuit as guest headline topic was og steam controller that brit is still missed what was it like having him on that was fun yeah i i didn't really know him before that and we didn't really interact much after that and that's um no longer an option unfortunately um but yeah he was definitely uh definitely a i'd say one of our more outstanding guests what was it like having him oh it's sorry dyslexia on to out and i was like he didn't come up here my bad also we're um what looks like 25 videos away from 7 000 that's dumb that's a good time to quit i think it's no that's too many it's becoming a funky thing where it's too many dan's trying to figure out uh api calls and analytics and we want to like call analytics from all of our videos that's a lot of api calls so we're like smashing into the quota cap and we're talking to youtube be like we have across our channels 13 216 videos oh yeah just pull analytics on that all the time too many time to quit i i pull every two hours so that's 160 000 api calls a day okay Am I allowed to quit once I get to over 9 ,000 on the LTT channel?

4:05:53ISO 9001 delete channel? Then is my power level high enough?

4:06:00I feel like you can take a sabbatical. I could take a sabbatical. I've earned that at that point. Okay. I'll keep that in mind.

4:06:12Hi, LGS LL and DB. how important is digital hygiene for you starting with deleting old items from download folders and continuing with removing unnecessary test policies as it admins if it's something i use frequently very important to me like my desktop is clean i think hold on let me check you probably just don't show it right desktop hide no you do show it oh no it's nasty it's not clean okay that's not nasty i've seen a lot worse yeah i have look at that i have like icons there and they're not even like it is less than what i would have expected from you uh you know what i haven't been using this laptop for that long my desktop at home though like my my desktop i would expect that to be very clean accurate yes um and like i don't care about my downloads folder because sometimes it can be convenient to grab something that i downloaded before i also don't care about my downloads folder but it's like one of the only spots my media folders very clean adhere to standard naming conventions i use filebot i think is what it's called to like make sure that it's all right and stuff um so yeah it just depends it depends how often i use it if i don't use it very often like oh my god like i still had my ub key active as a 2fa even though i hadn't used it in like nine years or something like that until Vance finally removed it like two weeks ago after I was like talking about how ridiculous it was on Landshow.

4:07:44Yubiki bio is really cool. Someone link that to me. Yubiki bio? Yeah. I'm going to look at it.

4:07:53I didn't know they did this. I think it's pretty sick. It's expensive. It's cool though. It sure is. Jeez. It's like 130 bucks each. Yep. Whatever, sure, fine. But yeah, bio-authenticated. Cool. Pretty sick. Makes sense. Not surprised they went that route. Yeah, kind of makes more sense than the other one. Yeah. Here's a thing I have, and I'm me. Boom. Yeah, I like that. All right, what's up? Linus, last week you said, No is lame. Yes, and but is cooler. what's the best no you've given out i don't know um i would have said christmas album but i finally caved last week no you caved to a new christmas album you still said no to the old christmas album no no it doesn't no i didn't no i didn't he said yes and only if riley does a cooler one and only if that one is only a digital download yeah okay so yeah i tried to find a way eventually yeah because what if i said no about i mean what am i a no on

4:09:14oh yeah you yes anded me on that one but i didn't like it i want to make a labs channel but i have been told no because i need a content schedule for it and i'm currently refusing to do that oh okay i think those are both reasonable things i actually didn't say no content schedule for the labs channel is reasonable i don't know if it makes sense i understand that makes it difficult to sell for i totally understand and if we don't sell for it it will not make money my thing is right now we're just making articles which are awesome but we just turn the articles into videos and no they're not not every article is like ltt quality which is fine and never been the goal and to be clear we're not saying it's not quality i mean depth sure it's more or clickability or whatever however you want to call it just i thought quality was not the right word i think they're really good quality no totally okay quality is incorrect word but we're not going to get a million views on the 40 watt dynamic power adapter and iphone 17 charging article i think it's sick though and i actually think a lot more people should know about it because it's a cool it's a cool it's very cool article the conclusion taught me things i liked it i don't think i'm actually the one who said no anyway or yes and you might be right i think i think i uh i think i so if you're trying to do an end around right now i'm not i'm not i'm not getting involved no no no i'm not okay linus town it's been a while since i asked i think i have asked linus town i'm not saying no i'm saying it's stupid okay so what's the end the end is i don't have the f***ing money for it yet i don't actually have unlimited money this may surprise you sounds like we're gonna get there given the way that i behave loans are a thing you know buying fire trucks like how many kidneys do you have you have children we just gotta get you to that beyond 9 000 videos and we'll get there.

4:11:20I mean, I wouldn't even want to live in the town. That's the real problem. I don't think it's necessary. That's stupid. Nope. How can I run a cult if I'm not actually there? You just need a really, really, really tall tower outside of the town. How does Gaben run Steam? From a yacht. Sorry. From a yacht. He gets it. See? There's the yes and. We get him a yacht. Yeah, but why are we not doing it? You're not giving a proper and. You're not playing by your own rules. Well, we just discovered that he would do it if there was a yacht, so now we have the and. Let's move on. Okay, cultists. If you will be responsible for raising the money to purchase the town, and I will do nothing but reap benefits from it, then yes, Linus Town approved.

4:12:04Now he's thinking like a cult leader. I like this. Good job. Okay, up next. Linus moved to Taiwan. on ah that wasn't no that was i don't want to and therefore no that sounds like a pretty cool no though uproot your entire life no good idea but no i think i think i understand what you're trying to do with this whole don't say no say yes and thing but it's also like extremely toxic at certain times i heard back from the head robot uh leaked the dm well earned so we've got i've got approval that's so cool retroactive approval i know how are they so cool that's in general you want to be an enabler who enables the people around you that's all i'm trying to get across i know it's not a blanket rule i understand your point i understand your point thank you just like when people say everyone you jump after them because you're like not actually everyone it's the same thing in general you want to be an enabler not like megan kelly don't enable that all right well there's a fairly recent controversy i don't know who don't worry about it do worry about it actually do worry about this uh okay dan hit me sure hey lld linus or slick if enough floaters that wanted a vr version of floatplane would you do it what would a vr version of floatplane be wouldn't it just be watching videos in a browser in your vr headset i think you have it already i mean i played floatplane in the apple vision pro but i think what they're meaning is like uh like 360 video no you can turn your head it's a dead meme yeah it is for sure a dead meme yeah definitely not enough people want it and we're hey we're doing we're doing what we can to give people what they do want right now okay we're focused on that all right um okay yeah yeah that's an that's a no actually that's a a no and here's the reasons the reasons are that you care and no one else.

4:14:23And I'm sorry that it has to be like that. But the question was, if enough did. You're not being very yes and right now, Linus. If enough did, we'd do it, of course. There you go. Yeah. They definitely don't though and never will. So there's that caveat.

4:14:45Oh, yeah. Who do you think will be in the NHL play A? calgary flames fan atp2 i don't know what any of that means me neither is that a gambling thing maybe play a no idea is that a thing do they mean playoffs no idea oh okay well uh but next play alberta play a it's it sounds like it's gambling maybe disney lucasfilm and muumuu linus did you ever see the live action how to train your dragon will you visit the theme park in florida i proposed to girlfriend in front of toothless there a few weeks ago she counter-proposed i'll go to the theme park i made it about 30 of the way through the live action how to train your dragon the original animated film is perfect and um the live action one is like a weird fun house mirror reflection of perfect they did stay very true to it and if it brings a new generation of people into you know thinking how to train your dragon and the sort of general message behind it of seeing past our differences even though we're enemies and all that kind of cool stuff i think it's a really cool story um you know if it does that then that's great i am a fan but i didn't personally have any use for it because the original was already a perfect film

4:16:15my award yeah what is this exactly i've received an award he's he doesn't he's talking but he doesn't it's not talking into a mic so is it another billy billy plaque um that's my guess i'm throwing a guess out there that's my guess you're throwing a guess a billy billy plaque no We already have a silver and a gold. Oh. I'm getting an award. Well, I mean, Luke doesn't need to be here for this then.

4:16:47It's fine. No, no, no. No, if you go in your camera, they might be able to see it better. No, I'm just memeing. Okay. They can see it after. What is this? Actually, what is it? it's a Linus Media Group what is this? yeah what? Linus Media Group Brand Impact Award for hold on what is that? for Outstanding Influence Amplifying GLI Net's Worldwide Presence oh no I did know about this they invited us to an event and to present it. They make cool stuff. I said, regrettably, we can't make it. We did that sponsored video with them recently. I mean, they make cool stuff. Yeah, upgrading Natalie's house.

4:17:39Cool. I didn't know that I get an award for doing a sponsored video. You know, they know they already paid me, right? For the sponsored video. I mean, getting an award is also cool. I mean, I don't mind awards. Honestly, I think you should give me an award every time you pay me. You want me to give you an award every time? No, no. Every time. Wait, every time I pay you. yeah i'd also have to give you an award no uh uh no wait yes and if you hold on i'm thinking

4:18:11see i was gonna say something like if you went sort of beyond the call of duty but he really does he's great um how can i justify not giving him an award every time i pay him huh um maybe i should i'll tell you what here's what it'll be it'll be in the form of a monthly no a monthly budget on lttstore.com and occasional random lttstore.com things that's that's how we'll do it nice yeah conveniently we already do that so is it a yearly budget yeah but it could be broken up by 12 being on when show you also end up with a lot of extras i do i have no complaints You know, there is a company that you and I both visited recently that I figured out what their merch budget is.

4:18:59Is it good? It's definitely lower than ours. Oh, really? Oh, is this company... How do we not name them? Yeah, and I don't think we would ever name this. No, I don't think we should name them. We actually have a pretty generous merch budget. I realize that. we actually do try to not be a place to work i told them ours while we were having that conversation and they were like whoa and i didn't tell them the host one because the host one's higher it has to be because you're going to need stuff that you have when you're on camera like it it has to be higher it makes sense i told them the like normal one yeah anyways we had this as a bit of a topic earlier hello lld with the current ram prices rising due to ai demand do you think now is a good time to upgrade what are the long-term effects of ai infrastructure on consumer grade hardware prices long term will be okay if anything it'll drive it down because they're going to build up massive capacity and the bubble will at the very least deflate probably burst and the use market traditionally has actually benefited from large infrastructure expenditure as for now being a good time to upgrade probably i don't i think it's going to get worse before it gets better uh but that's not financial advice hey luke sharing the love of all things nasa have you ever seen a launch in person i also for a short time got to work with nasa huntsville a vendor customer relationship when did you get to see a launch in person time i thought you missed it on like a thing recently i thought this was like another sore point there was a really cool one that i missed oh that's what i was this was a really random one uh but when aj and i were down there for the threat locker conference oh so this is recent then yeah we we took off to to go check out nasa and as we were pulling up uh there was one i i was like checking my news the whole time because you know there would only be specific times that we could go yeah uh and we thought we had missed it because we thought it had gone like the night before i think but there was some delay and it made it happen that day and then we couldn't go right away because we were doing stuff uh but by the time we could go we were like rolling up into the parking lot like when it was happening and we ran to this like corner where we could see it so we hadn't even entered yet nice we were and we uh technically walked into the employee parking lot well just confidently and got to a got to a corner sorry got to a corner where we could security yeah and we actually got like a a pretty decent vantage point we ended up seeing like where a lot of people would watch it from the actual like kind of thing that they have and our spot was like actually pretty solid um i'm really hoping to see one of the artemis launches eventually um a starship would be really cool sometime this was just more of like a fairly small somewhat routine thing that just happened to be going off that day the amount of rockets they're launching like all the time now is pretty wild so yeah um but then we promptly exited the i believe employee only parking area and entered the park properly and then had a good time it was great hi lld never knew i needed a hackable arch-based vr headset until valve announced one any cool ideas considering you could almost certainly do anything with it also did it have a desktop mode i don't believe anything would prevent you from running desktop mode on it on a giant screen um for me i think the biggest um the biggest use case this unlocks for me for vr is travel with my laptop i am like stoked to play full fat pc vr games with a laptop with like an e gpu and my vr headset that all packs into like my commuter bag that's crazy absolutely wild I really enjoy the idea of this thing being portable.

4:23:03That's, yeah. I'm for sure getting one, basically. Kind of depends on price, I guess. And we both know. But I'm intending on it. We both know the Quest lineup exists, but I don't think either of us has ever felt particularly compelled to go meta for our VR needs. I have been fairly strongly turned off from that. Yeah. What was the product, your own or third party, that you knew about early that you found the hardest to keep secret? Oh. Oh, man, there's... Oh, man.

4:23:43The hardest to keep secret?

4:23:49I don't actually find out about third-party stuff that early. and i don't keep secrets very well for our own developments like i think that's part of part of the marketing strategy at this point probably the one that i struggled the most on was our battery bank which we have alluded to but not really talked about much yet but it's been in development for i think over two years now and for a long time i really didn't talk about it because because the product itself was not particularly well-defined. Like we had an idea of what we wanted to try to achieve and we've achieved a lot of that, but not all of it.

4:24:32And so we wanted to make sure that we weren't setting people's expectations too high. It's getting pretty close to the point where I can start talking about it in more detail. But yeah, I'd say holding back a ton of that has been really challenging. Yes, we're getting triple C. Ugh. you mentioned on last WAN show that Google killed the nest and a project was started. I created it and open sourced it. Appreciate the shout out. Also, Google was still sending logs from those devices. Shout out Cody K. Absolutely sick. Assuming you are actually the person who did it and you're not just taking credit, but probably, probably you're honest, but super cool.

4:25:17And yeah, that, why does that not surprise me at all?

4:25:23Like, yeah, shocked. Shocked, I say. Well, actually, not that shocked. Like, it's just... You shut off my functionality, but, yes, still want my data. Really? That's so cool. If this person's the person who did that, that's so sick. Enjoy your RGB sweater. Yeah, hell yeah. For both hosts, for your main gaming rig, are you Team Red or Team Blue for proc and wine? Red. Well, yeah, obviously.

4:25:55Been red for a while. Yep. Better red than dead. Better dead than red? I don't know. It's rough over there right now, man. I hope they figure it out. I hope so, too. A strong intel is good for the industry. Yeah. Last one I got for you tonight. Sup, LLD? I love your zipper hoodies, so I'd never pass up the red WAN hoodie. But I was a big fan of orange. Hope to see that again one day. Also, what happened to the pajama pants? They were great. They didn't sell that well. I love them too. I love my LTT pajama pants. I only got one pair and I wish I had more. I don't know that we'll do an orange. The red is selling really well.

4:26:39And after many long, sometimes surprisingly intense conversations, like we have passionate people here. And they can be passionate about everything. design color you know fit materials right like the reason our products are good is because people care but when people care you can have strong opinions and you can have clashes and it's not like we have like a the kind of culture where people would like yell at each other be mean to each other or whatever but i've had some some very opinionated conversations with particularly Bridget, who's head of fashion. And, you know, she felt very strongly that having some red and some orange WAN products was really confusing.

4:27:21And so we debated whether we should even be able to launch a red WAN hoodie when we still have an orange WAN backpack, for instance. And she made very good points about how that kind of confuses what when branding means and i made very good points about how oh my god we can't hope to sell out all of the desk pads and all of the backpacks and all of the everything before we can like launch one product we want to get it out there and find out if people are going to even receive this red thing uh at all or if we're going to have to go back to orange anyway and then we wiped out all of inventory for nothing and then made a big bet on red everything for nothing.

4:28:03So everyone had really good points. And what we settled on was, okay, I agree with you that it needs to not be confusing. You're a hundred percent right, but the business needs us to test this before we can commit full hog. And I think at this point, she's one that red works and it's time to go full hog. And once we do that, then i think she's right that wan can't just be random colors it has to mean something and now i think it's going to mean red and gray and black well what chat has a very interesting point a lot of people in chat have a very interesting point does wan have an after dark sub brand no i think our monochrome brand is still stealth we haven't used it much lately.

4:28:55Oh. Interesting. I could be open to that. It's a genuinely really interesting idea. The After Dark hoodie. I could get behind that. It's just interesting that we can throw purple into the brand mix very logically. Short Circuit has it too. Short Circuit's is predominantly purple, isn't it? It's a mix, right? Yeah, it's got a variety of colors. Short Circuit.

4:29:26i like that dan just said short circuit nothing else i mean they're purple yeah they are their main color their main color is purple they do they're like a bunch of stuff though orange pink purple white yeah dark blue all right yellow all right after dark hoodie

4:29:52I feel like an after dark hoodie might actually be really sick just saying after dark pants too assless chaps

4:30:07what pants do we have right now that could be after dark

4:30:14scheduled for Monday morning and excuse me sorry with that i think it's time to say good night and have a wonderful weekend we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel almost five hours bye that's crazy

4:30:34that was not

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