The Xbox News Looks Really Bad - WAN Show June 19, 2026

16:01Luke Lafreniere:chart on the left oh whoops whoops whoops there we go so oh boy maximum so it peaked at 193 players not a ton so pretty much doesn't matter how small the team was that worked on this if you hit a peak of 193 players that was probably not a success here's the other

16:24Linus Sebastian:interesting part. Is you know, how long ago did you say it came out?

16:32Luke Lafreniere:Less than two months ago.

16:34Linus Sebastian:So early development started in 2019.

16:39Linus Sebastian:Yeah, that was my reaction to that. Apparently Kiln started as a project under Double Fine's Amnesia Fortnite, which is an internal game jam. That was in 2017. but it was yeah why did it take so long the answer is simple his team was pulled into other projects while they were working on Kiln so Kiln was like a side project B project type thing while they were working on other stuff wasn't until after Psychonauts 2 was done that the developers could really start working on other stuff and then that's when Kiln came out alright so here we go

17:21Luke Lafreniere:how did Psychonauts 2 do? here's here's Double Fine. Anything developed by Double Fine. So, Giln, overall, positive reception, but 2 ,800 follows and 4 online with a peak of 193. The previous year, they had Keeper, which peaked at 191, and currently has 2 people online. Psychonauts 2, yeah, people are still playing that. This is an order of magnitude bigger game than Kiln in terms of follows. Has people still playing it today peaked at 7 000 so the last time that double fine released something somewhat relevant was

18:01Linus Sebastian:five years ago keeper is also a single player game i think being able to be done with a game

18:08Luke Lafreniere:is okay psychonauts 2 is also a single player game yeah and it's still being played more yeah it's obviously a way bigger title though yeah and well no that's what i'm trying to say though is These two are... It peaked at$191, though. People were done with it before they were ever playing it. Yeah, both of these two were just absolute flops, as far as I can tell. I don't know if that's a good metric.

18:31Linus Sebastian:Yeah, especially when they're Xbox first, so people with Game Pass are getting them for free. We don't know how much that impacts things and blah, blah, blah. Is there any way to look up metrics for Xbox stuff? I doubt it.

18:46Luke Lafreniere:not that i'm aware of

18:51Linus Sebastian:but i think if your game isn't like a complete banger and it's xbox first it's going to be

18:58Luke Lafreniere:really hurt on other platforms because the thing is like if your game's not a complete banger you're basically kind of boned these days from what i've heard game development is very much like twitch streaming where the vast vast vast majority of the money is made by the handful of projects that just absolutely rocket ship and most titles that are released on steam do not make any money essentially um and so i mean i'm i'm looking at this going like even if this was a hundred times as successful on Xbox. If you have a peak number of players of... Actually, I know 20 ,000 would be pretty good, except that if most of those were on Game Pass, which is your subscription service anyway that's not incremental revenue, how many people work at Double Fine?

19:54Luke Lafreniere:100, something like that. Oh, man.

20:00Linus Sebastian:Not cheap rolls either.

20:03Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Dude, I, um... I think it's, this is tough. This is tough. Cause it's like a, it's a, I love Psychonauts, you know? And I think that, I think this is one of those things that's like extremely emotional for people. Oh yeah. Like when we don't have all the information, but I think what we.

20:32Linus Sebastian:We're fairly severely lacking in information, I think.

20:34Luke Lafreniere:But what I think we do know is that it's clearly been undermanaged for a really long time. And I think what's frustrating for me is that they finally made the changes at the top in what looked like an attempt to address this. And now I feel like we're kind of getting rug pulled on it there. I think that's the best way that I can summarize what's frustrating about what we're hearing right now is it was like, hey, we're going to turn it around. And we're like, yeah, let's support that. And it's like, oh, actually, no, psych, we're going to do the same thing.

21:04Linus Sebastian:by doing what we've done before, which is burn everything down. I look at something like Psychonauts, which again, Xbox first. I see overwhelmingly positive reviews. 8 ,300 reviews though. And I've seen multiple people in Floatplane chat point out, I played Psychonauts 2. I loved it. I played it on Game Pass. One of the problems that I have with that is you lose traction on other platforms. Yeah. So it does super well on Xbox. On Game Pass specifically. It's not going to have the traction of the reviews and the amount of people playing and everything else to make it rise up on something like Steam.

21:40Linus Sebastian:So it's like we've talked a few other times about two ignorant dudes who've never made a game have talked about how, in my opinion, it can be very bad for you to be a part of these Game Pass type subscriptions. As if I know anything, but still. Because it can really hurt you on these other platforms. you just don't get that interaction. I wouldn't even be surprised if someone had the stats on this I'd be really interested. I wouldn't be surprised if people were less likely to interact with things like reviews and comments if it's a game that came for free in their game pass. Because they're just filtering through stuff they have.

22:18Linus Sebastian:They're not as, you mentioned it's very emotional. They're not as emotionally invested if they didn't spend the 80 Canadian or whatever it is, American or whatever it is wherever you're from on the game. You're not as invested, literally.

22:29Luke Lafreniere:I am way more invested, literally, in stuff that I paid a lot of money for. Way more. Or spent a lot of time on. Like, in order to achieve it. In this case, time equals money, right? So, like, let's take something like my motorbike, which is finally done. I'm way more invested in that paint job. Yeah. Even though, like, it didn't necessarily, it did cost money. But even if it didn't, like the fact that I've invested my time, which is equal to my value, right? I've put that into it. I love it more for having put all of that energy into it. And so in the same way, when I was a kid and I saved up and I bought a game, I wanted to like it.

23:17Luke Lafreniere:And I wanted other people to like it too with me. And that was exciting and emotional. whereas no i i would not be and again i also i'm not you know i'm not a psychologist i haven't studied this but i would not be surprised if somebody just playing something that's there it's in front of them it's in their game pass subscription without investing that that money in the acquisition of it or having that anticipation yeah it wouldn't surprise me if they were not as evangelical about how great it is and didn't create as much word of mouth yeah yeah i think that can hurt it a lot um like i think that can hurt it in ways that i can't

24:05Linus Sebastian:understand i imagine it can hurt it in ways that basically nobody can understand um but like this

24:10Luke Lafreniere:is just such a well-reviewed game i mean second knots 2 was before microsoft acquired them though so when i was the only reason i brought it up was because i had to go back that far to find a relevant double fine game

24:31Linus Sebastian:was it as far as i can tell microsoft purchased the studio in 2019 yeah so they developed that completely before microsoft acquired them oh yeah they published it afterwards but yeah yeah yeah because they published it like two years later. So they haven't developed and released. Well, they released it on Steam two years later. It might have been released earlier than that, actually.

24:56Luke Lafreniere:That's another thing.

24:57Linus Sebastian:That's something I was thinking about with Kiln is like, when did it end up getting released on... Because like, man, man, I'm tangenting too much. But, you know, GTA 6 is not coming out on PC right away. Sure isn't. GTA 6 will still be massively popular when it finally hits PC. i don't think every game gets that i think a lot of games have their hype cycle kiln was a

25:19Luke Lafreniere:simultaneous release oh it was okay damn that's nope it just didn't resonate that's not good um

25:27Linus Sebastian:but i do think like if something is released into game pass first and then you have that hype cycle then you try to have two hype cycles by having it released on pc or wherever else sony whatever it

25:38Luke Lafreniere:is later on oh we've seen that so many times it hurts it a lot we've seen that so many times i I mean, hardware companies try to do the same thing. Like you think back to, I forget what GPU it was, but NVIDIA tried to have an announcement embargo and then a specs embargo and then an unboxing embargo and a review embargo or something like that. I think it was either three or four separate embargoes that were anywhere from like a week to two weeks apart where they were trying to like create this massive extended hype cycle. And I remember just telling them like, no we're not doing this like i'm not gonna i'm not gonna just oh i'm not gonna just like open the box and not be able to because there were there were things that i would have needed to be able to say in order to even give an informative unboxing of it that i that i wasn't able to and they seem to have mostly backed off that or at least it's hard to tell because when was the last time they launched a gpu it doesn't happen very often yeah like i i saw you know the google

26:39Linus Sebastian:news feed on your phone i saw something came through that was like the highly anticipated box art for gta 6 and i remember it felt like we we finally have a first look at the highly anticipated box art for gta 6 and i was like man i'm so sorry for whoever had to write this article i think for one i think you mean the ai agent that generated the article but sure uh but but also like again i'm coming back to like just not every game gets this they are genuinely probably like the one i don't think there's any other one where anyone's ever going to write the highly anticipated box art um maybe at certain stages other games i feel like right now it might just be that i don't know maybe ballersgate 3 was big enough that that the upcoming divinity game might

27:27Luke Lafreniere:get some type of attention not that much though no because like gta's box art is iconic I'm trying to think of another franchise's box art That has Because it can't just be an anticipated game

27:47Linus Sebastian:This is maybe the first negative thing I'll ever say About Baldur's Gate on this show But I don't even think the Baldur's Gate box art Was like that amazing

27:54Luke Lafreniere:No, and it's not And more importantly though for this comparison It doesn't have a legacy It doesn't have a history Whereas the GTA box art Oh, I see I was going to say Baldur's Gate sure how to but I understand what you're saying but the box art doesn't like a GTA poster is the kind of thing that literally there are adults today that were children with that on their wall you know what I mean yeah totally totally from GTA 5 yeah who are now grown into adults and who are anticipating the release of GTA 6

28:29Linus Sebastian:people are people are like whoa I'm amazed you said that I'll show you why where's Carlack bruh where's car like why why is mizora here and there's no car like what the hell what the i mean

28:39Luke Lafreniere:this also just feels like like star wars which was modeled after previous film movie posters like it doesn't yeah this is this is not it's not iconic and and like a g like gta it could that could only be gta that style i want to see like i think i think that something like a diablo has a very iconic box art i would say i would say elder scrolls actually has a pretty iconic box art honestly the fact that this image exists at all is uh is a decent indicator of what you're saying yeah but nobody would be excited to see a new elder scrolls box art because this is cool what i'm looking at over here is cool and it's not just it's not just cool because it spans such a long period of time that it's time capsules of cool spanning back like 20 years more more 30 years almost like give me something equivalent like even nintendo with their with their prime ips like you know Mario Kart or Mario platformers or whatever they they have they have taken such a different approach over the years that you don't you don't have that like other than the first couple titles here let's go back to you other than the first couple of titles there's a style

30:12Linus Sebastian:just one and two which were I believe they were both top they were top down so the second they really got the real identity of GTA. They went to GTA 3 and they got this box art and they never looked back. Yeah. That's pretty strong. Yeah. That's a statement.

30:28Luke Lafreniere:It's like, we nailed it. Now it's just that, but cooler every time. And I've never even gotten into GTA, but that's cool.

30:38Linus Sebastian:Apparently Kotaku even has a whole thing. This was linked by Noki in chat. Hi, Noki.

30:45Luke Lafreniere:Oh, it has to have a helicopter. In the top left Okay That's interesting Didn't know that

30:57Linus Sebastian:Oh and it's got like pontoons this time Sure It's a cool helicopter

31:02Luke Lafreniere:Spoilers Everything about this is cool Yeah

31:08Linus Sebastian:Gives you some idea of where you're at You got some palm trees You got a little gator down there You got a flamingo so it does give you like information as well yeah got a pink bike i was way ahead of the trend on that one let's go but yeah i mean that is that is a good point but still oh my god if some other game did this and i'm sure some other game has where they stick with like a trend and it looks cool it still doesn't really matter as much because it's not gta yeah you know i'm saying?

31:43Linus Sebastian:Alright.

31:46Luke Lafreniere:Oh, okay. I apparently am supposed to... Where is it? Oh, for crying out loud. Okay. Floatplane announcement. Dan, play the video.

31:58Linus Sebastian:I think a quarter's like this, right?

32:00Luke Lafreniere:What am I looking at here? What is happening? What is happening? What is Sammy doing? That's disgusting.

32:13Luke Lafreniere:It's not even blended. What is he doing? Why is he drinking it?

32:18Linus Sebastian:It smells like a burger. But kind of peanutty. Give it a little peanutty.

32:23Luke Lafreniere:Why is it here? Well, it just tastes like you bit all those things and chewed it already. Ew. And then you like spat that out, let it get cold, and then put it back in your mouth. It's kind of what it's like. Why is it here? It's time. It's time for what? It's time for your wise manly punishment. Excuse me? Yeah, so remember last season you didn't do your punishment yet? I don't think I agreed to any kind of blended McDonald's punishment. I don't eat McDonald's at the best of times.

32:58Linus Sebastian:Yeah, well, we're not eating. You're, oh, you're effed. You effed. We effed. You effed. We effed. You effed up.

33:07Luke Lafreniere:No, he says F5. The show is still up.

33:12Luke Lafreniere:Do I keep speaking? You can keep speaking. You don't eat McDonald's, but you can drink McDonald's today.

33:25Luke Lafreniere:Did you at least make a fresh one?

33:27Linus Sebastian:Yeah, this is fresh. This is fresh. I redid a second one just for you. It looks like soil. So you lost last season of Wancho. Why is mine late? As a punishment, you have to drink this delicious drink that I made you.

33:43Luke Lafreniere:It's not even pouring. Dude, it's sludge.

33:51Linus Sebastian:That's the worst thing I've ever seen. So he told me about this before the show, because he asked if I wanted to do it as well, because there's a decent amount of times where, like when you just ate the limes or whatever, where I've like joined you, oh, it spilled onto the table, it's so gross. Oh, it's doing it more. Why would you put the drink in it? What? Yeah, when you pour the Coke or whatever you got. Oh, yeah. Well, I need to blend. What was that? What? The drink. Oh, it's Coke. So this is a Big Mac. It's Coke? It was Coke. This is a Big Mac with the fries and Coke. I'll drink it with you.

34:27Linus Sebastian:I'm not. Okay, you're doing it. Okay. I'll drink it with you. How many calories is this? Zero. That's so funny because that's another comment that I made. These are all reasons why I didn't want to do it

34:39Luke Lafreniere:This has got to be like a thousand calories

34:42Linus Sebastian:No, it's like a couple hundred

34:45Luke Lafreniere:There's no way

34:46Linus Sebastian:What is it What is all in that? Yeah, what's in that? It's a Big Mac An entire Big Mac? Three quarters of a Big Mac

34:55Luke Lafreniere:Three quarters of a Big Mac, okay

34:58Linus Sebastian:Fries, three quarters of fries

35:00Luke Lafreniere:Three quarters of a, what size of fries? And why did you bother three quarter it?

35:04Linus Sebastian:because we're testing it with the quarter first. You saw in the video.

35:09Luke Lafreniere:Wait, so when you say fresh, you mean you freshly blended it, but this burger is from lunchtime today.

35:15Linus Sebastian:Two o 'clock.

35:18Luke Lafreniere:So lunchtime today. Someone was late for when today.

35:20Linus Sebastian:I'm not going to say who, but someone was late today. This is not my fault. I planned it perfectly. How would you like to take your five and a half hour old blended Big Mac? Solidarity, you know what I mean?

35:34Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, but you eat garbage.

35:36Linus Sebastian:What do you mean I eat garbage? What do you mean I eat garbage? Well. Cheers to good health.

35:47Luke Lafreniere:I'm not cheersing nothing, and there's no good health that could possibly come from this. No chance.

35:53Linus Sebastian:Prosperity in life and happiness. Fuck it. Cheers. Oh, it's sludge. Oh, my God. Oh, no. Oh, I really wish you guys had my perspective because watching that that Matrix slime go down Lads' throne was wild

36:17Linus Sebastian:Your hands covering it turn this way He's still got more. It's okay. You'll it was fine

36:25Luke Lafreniere:No, what kind of a thing to say is that? Get that out of here Slot up over here with that.

36:34Linus Sebastian:Oh, there's so much mess. I'm so sorry.

36:36Luke Lafreniere:That's okay. I'll lick it up when everybody goes home. Ohhhhhhhhhh

36:40Linus Sebastian:What? What? AHH! Just don't get it on the shag pile. Let's actually wipe the table off though before it like encrusts into it. Sorry. Oh, don't. Oh my god. Don't pour it into the carpet, please. There's shag carpet. I'm gonna get fired. Oh. Don't be late for wham!

36:59Luke Lafreniere:I'm not gonna lie. That looked disgusting. That was possibly the worst thing that I have ever tasted. Do you want Sprite? No, I'm good on the Sprite. I think I'll wash it down with some water.

37:17Linus Sebastian:I have a Big Mac here for you if you want.

37:24Luke Lafreniere:I don't eat McDonald's at the best of times.

37:26Linus Sebastian:Yeah, more McDonald's is not the answer.

37:29Luke Lafreniere:Oh, man. Now do the full-point call. I don't remember the last time I had Coke. I don't remember the last time I ate a Big Mac. I have been known to enjoy some McDonald's fries from time to time. However, potato is not the strongest flavor. I think the weirdest thing about consuming that... Is the Coke? It's got to be. No. No. Was the way that from one moment to the next, you could taste individual ingredients like on that first bite I got a wave of mustard that was like overwhelming did you blend it enough? it just about made me throw up I blended it for a minute straight why would you blend it for a minute?

38:16Luke Lafreniere:because last time it was too chunky oh man Sammy

38:24Luke Lafreniere:it wasn't my fault today I can't explain why it wasn't my fault today, but it really wasn't my fault today There's an NDA that prevents me from explaining why it wasn't my fault today Oh, I should not move around right now I'm not talking about today I'm so happy

38:42Linus Sebastian:I feel like I'd take a bite out of a whole lime For multiple days in a row over doing that easily I would do that easily Okay, do the flow point announcement I think I would probably do it for like a month Over doing that

38:54Luke Lafreniere:make sure you leave that make sure you leave that on the kitchen counter so it sits all weekend anyway for those of you who aren't in the know Why When Late is a series over on Floatplane that Sammy does

39:07Linus Sebastian:Just Why When Late

39:09Luke Lafreniere:He runs around the office and the lead up to the WAN show and documents what we're up to before we start the show and in some cases after we should have started the show and for a particular season, there was a punishment and that was it. And that was very unfortunate. If you want to check out YWAN Late, lmg.gg slash floatplane. We've also got a lot of other really great stuff over there, including, this is a fun one, A Week in the Life of Tatiana, aka Material Girl. This is the first time I've heard that nickname for her, but... What's that on the right? Sure, that makes sense. Oh. What's that on the right?

39:53Luke Lafreniere:That is the LTT Forever Sock Coming soon Copper infused Yeah

39:57Linus Sebastian:What does that mean? Antimicrobial qualities I'm sure she explains Yeah okay She does She does Are all the fancy metals Antimicrobial Like I know silver is too Yeah silver is Copper is I don't think gold is I don't think it has any kind of

40:12Luke Lafreniere:Antimicrobial properties But yeah

40:17Linus Sebastian:Copper, silver and zinc

40:18Luke Lafreniere:Yeah Tatiana's Tatiana's are I mean obviously it's a reference to the Madonna song but she's our she's our materials specialist not material girl And so she kind of talks through some of some of what her job entails in that video All right. Oh man. I'm a little flustered. Um So yeah, that's it. That's a float plate announcement. What else are we supposed to be doing? Gnarly All right, you want to pick a topic Luke?

40:45Linus Sebastian:Yeah dopamine sites are letting users shop without buying anything and this actually okay I actually like this shattered my brain and then I had to put all the pieces together and then it exploded again while I was trying to understand what the heck somebody was talking about when this was first

41:01Luke Lafreniere:described to me you talk through it and then I actually have not tried it yet because I wanted to do it live on WAM show I want to I want to do dopamine sites okay so you set that up okay go for

41:11Linus Sebastian:A new wave of these dopamine sites lets people go through the entire online shopping or food ordering experience. Like the whole thing, genuinely. I'm going to start. Browsing, adding items to cart, and checking out without actually buying anything. The goal is to scratch the shopping itch without spending any money. And according to reporting from business magazine Fast Company, some users find it surprisingly satisfying. Though others see it as strange or dystopian, like I do. as a solution to overconsumption. Window shopping for people who can't touch grass. Sammy says, my prediction is, I think this will be used to store customer data to sell to companies to see how customers shop.

41:55Linus Sebastian:Yeah, for sure. I'm certain this is a crazy data harvesting.

41:59Luke Lafreniere:I mean, why though? Because you'd have no way of knowing that people will shop exactly the same on a fake site as they would on a real one. I don't see how this would be useful data at all.

42:08Linus Sebastian:I think it's what people are clicking on.

42:10Luke Lafreniere:I mean I guess but these aren't real things anyway like I guarantee you this is look look this is just the exact same background stuff with just like different AI plates yeah I don't think I don't think there's any useful data to be gained here

42:25Linus Sebastian:looking at the text I think there could be or at least I think they could package it and sell it to someone as it being that even if it isn't people do be people do be buying data anyway carry on apparently these aren't in the notes but apparently as far as my understanding goes it is like I said the whole process so you can go to a store you can put in your fake credit card info you can watch the tracking information you can see it show up all that jazz okay so like seriously typing in this information is something people want to do this is the worst when mine doesn't autofill I get pissed off

43:14Linus Sebastian:um leave it at the door don't knock you might wake my tiny dog okay uh okay i'm gonna pay

43:23Luke Lafreniere:i'll pay on delivery no i'll pay with my wallet i'm gonna place a demo order processing payment 30 minutes my turtle is uh on the way i can call them oh no this is where it falls apart a little bit

43:43Luke Lafreniere:oh okay cool was that was that cathartic for you well it's not it's not supposed to be good okay i don't really i don't i don't use food apps um so maybe maybe i could find a demo

43:57Linus Sebastian:shopping site that isn't a food app yeah they're supposed to have that as well okay uh where do i where do i find where do i find more of these the rise of fake online shopping food never comes okay

44:10Luke Lafreniere:so that's that's the one are there any are there any how many people are actually doing this that's

44:16Linus Sebastian:another thing i'm wondering about like is this just a news topic because it's so crazy so people are talking about it or are people actually doing this i can't imagine many people are actually

44:27Luke Lafreniere:go to dopamineshopping.com dopamineshopping.com

44:31Linus Sebastian:okay of course the thing at the front of it is a 4090 sorry

44:37Luke Lafreniere:what is nice okay buy everything pay nothing the only honest store on the internet okay here we go so we're shopping okay so this is something I do I shop online I don't not usually for food so that there wasn't really okay so yeah I'll shop for something that I actually care about. Let's go for PC stuff. Obviously, I wouldn't buy a fully completed PC. I would find some parts. So why don't I...

45:06Linus Sebastian:It's interesting that it goes... There's a 4090 at the top. You scroll. It's makeup. This is a better deal. It's computers. Well, I mean, that would be...

45:14Luke Lafreniere:It's interesting the target audience. I think that would be pretty common sort of online aspirational purchases, right? Sure, yeah. So, okay, I've got my 4090. uh oh i've okay these are really cool i have sales i can add one of these to cart they've actually got a fair amount of detail clarna 90 days of make-believe condition new sealed and fictional i i'd imagine this is like partly just like liability and whatnot i mean you haven't taken anyone's money but if you convince someone enough that it's real maybe maybe they could i I don't know, get mad at you or something. Free shipping from the other side of the world.

45:55Luke Lafreniere:12 payments with zero imaginary interest. There's a lot of reviews, but I guess that's probably just a random number generator. Okay, it's just GPUs. Buy something, dude.

46:07Linus Sebastian:Buy something, get it shipped.

46:09Luke Lafreniere:No, I want to build a whole system, Luke.

46:10Linus Sebastian:Oh, okay.

46:12Luke Lafreniere:Okay, well, here, can I buy Ryzen CPU?

46:20Luke Lafreniere:no i can't i can't even i can't even buy just a cpu yeah where oh hey there's one all right i found a 7800 x3 i mean there's got to be ddr5 okay so i'm shopping for ddr5 oh here we go here we go where are they pulling this pricing from who knows i guess it doesn't really matter nope am5 motherboard oh not a single okay anything anything with a motherboard Okay. I mean, oh, AMD socket AM5. Yeah, there we go. Okay, add to cart. It's kind of fun that the images do a little wiggle. Yeah, it's a cute little wiggle. Oh, okay. Platform. Sure, that's something. Sure. Storage. Factory default. Okay, hold on.

47:09Luke Lafreniere:What else is in my cart right now? So here's everything in my cart. The pictures don't get retained. Okay, so I need a case. PC case. I want an expensive one. Okay. Case. Hey, there we go. Okay. That's a whole system. No, no, there's cases. There's cases. H9 Elite. That's a nice case. I'll take one of those. Is it normally$300? What else do I need? H9 Elite. Should I buy a Windows license?

47:39Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

47:40Luke Lafreniere:Yeah?

47:41Linus Sebastian:Oh, I don't think I can. No, no. Well, forget it then. Go with CacheOS.

47:45Luke Lafreniere:Two terabyte.

47:46Linus Sebastian:That's a pretty accurate price for that case.

47:48Luke Lafreniere:actually in Canadian. I would imagine they would be pulling this from somewhere because it can't be too random or it would just be kind of stupid, right? These all seem like they're kind of close to someone's pricing but then there's just like a bit of RNG to, you know, copy my homework but make it different so no one knows I copied you so that they can't tell, you know, who's being scraped.

48:12Linus Sebastian:Well, now you can shop for a budget or whatever.

48:14Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Okay, there we go. So I've got a 2TB SSD. All right. Oh, are there any deals? So I can browse deals. You know what? It's dumb.

48:31Luke Lafreniere:But I think it's easy as someone who doesn't suffer any kind of ill effects from like an online shopping dependency of any sort for me to say to be dismissive but having used it a little bit already i can see how if that was

48:57Linus Sebastian:a concern for somebody if it helps you not just blow all your money online this actually great i

49:06Luke Lafreniere:guess it scratches the itch a little bit does it yeah a little bit because there's no there's no risk that I will actually buy like these look like cool cleats I don't know there's no there's no risk that I will buy it except I could see I could see this app exposing me still to a product that I otherwise wouldn't have found and I would have thought that I was just harmlessly browsing and then that I would ultimately turn around and go buy somewhere else.

49:45Linus Sebastian:Oh wow this armor thing on this 4080 looks really cool I could do a sweet like army green computer build let me go find this in the actual real world and then go buy it.

49:59Luke Lafreniere:I could also see sites like this if their traffic actually got high enough starting to sell placement on their site if they aren't already

50:10Linus Sebastian:because you're kind of communicating to people in that way that this is an aspirational thing that people would want to purchase yeah

50:18Luke Lafreniere:so okay my account orders placed zero delivered zero lost total saved that you did not spend okay so i go on here i feel like this is one of those things where if you have the discipline to only use it then it could be part of uh it could be part of sort of managing this issue for yourself um

50:53Luke Lafreniere:but if not blah blah blah blah blah okay go to payment but if you already had sort of a shopping compulsion. I don't see how this, um, I don't see how this fixes it. Okay, now hold on a second. Redirects to a PayPal that won't charge you a dime. Not a single cent leaves your account. The dopamine, though, that's real. Okay, pay. Logging into the PayPal account, you forgot the password. Okay, payment approved. Estimated arrival. And this just counts down. I can track my delivery. This one's actually pretty sophisticated. So it's going to go to Hawaii first. Oh no. It's just going to go all the way around.

51:37Luke Lafreniere:That's kind of funny because how often do you feel like you order something and then it just goes to the middle of the Pacific Ocean for no reason and then comes back instead of taking the more direct path. Okay. If that's the actual joke, that's pretty funny. Order received. I don't know, man. I'd love to hear what you guys think of it. Dan, what do you think? I don't know. It's interesting. Star got your order. The company group chat blew up. I've never really had an issue with, like, I like the idea of shopping. Like, I like getting the thing. Right. I don't know. I don't think it's for me.

52:21Luke Lafreniere:I was trying to find a website, and I can't. and I think we talked about it last week that was like a dopamine detox but for infinite scrolling and it was just a website that infinitely scrolled and showed you nothing

52:37Linus Sebastian:so I've seen that and I was like I don't believe it and then I loaded it up and I still don't believe it because it gives you random messages as you scroll and the dopamine is figuring out what the next message is I think it's yeah but the messages themselves like repeat constantly. I don't know.

52:57Luke Lafreniere:I felt better using that than I think I would get using this fake shopping thing.

53:04Linus Sebastian:Honestly, the thing, there's been something that has finally actually been pushing me towards GrapheneOS, and it's been that I realized that there is one remaining infinite scrolling app on my phone that I can't defeat. Hold on, let me see.

53:21Luke Lafreniere:Google News, you can defeat. Can you? Oh, you mean like remove it? Yeah. I think so. Can't you just remove the Google app? Because then when would you ever be exposed to? Oh, just by swiping from the... Okay, that's not how I access it. Oh. I have never formed that habit. I always access it from my search bar. I never do this. So I actually never really think about that. I didn't even know that you could get it from there. Oh, yeah. There's always a lot. It's like any good.

53:53Linus Sebastian:fix there's a lot of ways to get it but yeah i figured out recently that like i have killed infinite scrolling on my phone except i will if i'm sitting there with nothing to do i'm trying to make it so that i'll do something better on my phone i'm counting chess as an acceptable thing okay not chess counts i think chess counts but i have found myself if i'm idling i don't know what to do i don't really want to turn my brain on i'll flip over to the google news and scroll through that quite a bit and i'm like this is not i don't like this if i want to get news i can go get it from places that i think are probably on the level instead of just this like random feed that i'm constantly being like i don't want to receive anything from these people again it's like the main thing i do when i'm interacting with google news is like please don't link me this

54:41Luke Lafreniere:anymore i hate how non-granular it is yeah like there'll be something about the detroit red wings and they're like some player that they're trading or not trading. And I'll be like, not interested in this. And I'll be like, do you want to select not interested in hockey? I'm like, no, I just, I don't care about the Red Wings. Nobody cares about the Red Wings right now. That's like the whole point of why this guy doesn't want to play there anymore. Like, come on, man.

55:06Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Yeah, so it's annoying. So I want to get it off my phone. And I have spent almost no time actually trying to, but I suspect what I'm going to run into is that I can't. um so that might be the the thing that drives me off of uh interesting off of android i guess

55:25Luke Lafreniere:you know what the more i think about this the more i actually kind of like it not because i

55:33Linus Sebastian:necessarily would use it if it helps someone then great apparently it was only two people that it

55:39Luke Lafreniere:took to make it um but if you're but in the same like i was thinking about so that that thing i said where i was like oh the risk could be that if i see something that i that i'm tempted by this could make me go off site but that's that's the whole behavior that people are trying to avoid is when they aren't intentfully going somewhere and finding something to buy it this is just giving them something to scroll and taking away that convenient one click shop like there's a reason that Amazon, I believe, invented and then like tried to patent or whatever. One click purchases. Was it Amazon?

56:21Linus Sebastian:I have no idea. It feels like it probably would have been.

56:28Luke Lafreniere:One click. Yes. Amazon invented and patented the one click purchasing method. So if, if that reduction in friction wasn't important or effective, Amazon wouldn't have done it. You know, you know what, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So if there's anyone that this can help by just not having that one click available, like if I have to do what you did, right, you have to, you had to click through to the page. the page you had to go here you had to copy you had to paste uh well i would right click google search but yeah sure okay you had to do you had to do something then i have to go find it in stock yeah blob i have to click a thing i have to do this that didn't even where did it go it just it disappeared because nvidia doesn't care about selling gaming gpus anymore like but you see what i mean right we're putting we're putting friction in a place where the other app on their phone that does this doesn't have that friction and just says oh you want it here you go and it took actual money away from you i the more i look at it the more i'm like okay if this helps anyone then sure also with the help of chat um oh you turned it off already it's gone that was quick

57:51Linus Sebastian:You long press on your home screen. You click home screen settings and you disable swipe to access Google app. Okay. And I actually don't think I'll just start doing the thing that you do because the swipe to access Google. The whole reason why I'm trying to get rid of all the infinite scrolling apps is because it's like muscle memory almost. Right. Yeah. And I have a muscle memory of swiping to the side. Let's see what's going on. So as long as that doesn't work, I'm sure that that will happen and my brain will go, huh? And then I'll go play chess or do whatever.

58:21Luke Lafreniere:I think I told you already that Reddit did me a huge favor when they semi-deprecated r slash all. Because I, you know, in the same way, it's like, oh, let's see what's going on. Right? So it still exists. But the only way to access it, and this is actually kind of amazing for me, is pretty inconvenient on mobile. So you have to do, you have to go to old.reddit. Oh, right. And on mobile, this is a terrible interface. Yeah. Like I can't see thumbnails for crap. No. And it makes me use it way less, actually. It's been pretty great.

58:57Linus Sebastian:Something I like is I don't have Reddit installed, Infinite Strolling App, but every once in a while I do need to access it, so I access it through the browser. Yep. And something that I love is that it will put up a thing. It's so annoying. You have to use the app now. Yep. I can't see it anymore. And I'm like, oh, great. And I just close the browser. I'm not installing your damn app.

59:18Luke Lafreniere:I just didn't install the Reddit app. oh yeah i just i just didn't yeah i don't have it either and so so i actually have muscle memory

59:25Linus Sebastian:to dismiss that now the one that i get is not dismissible what which i'm completely okay with what are you sure no it's got to be dismissible i'm pretty sure let me see if i can make it come

59:35Luke Lafreniere:up i wonder if it's because i'm on firefox green brick says both have all uh i don't think on the app might have it that i don't know i don't use the app but i know that uh for oh well i mean maybe that's not true anymore. I know that for a while you had to do old. Let me see. No, it's not there. It just takes you to the homepage, which is an algorithmic page. Yeah. So I just get view and Reddit app and then I just have an X and open. Oh, so, oh, I did put it on. I actually forgot about that. I put it on cause I had to do something moderation related. You know what? I haven't touched that in so long.

1:00:11Luke Lafreniere:I'm just going to remove it. There, you're gone. You're out. no close what yeah

1:00:22Linus Sebastian:which again i'm totally okay with because i just go boop goodbye because i'm not i'm not hold on no no hold on hold on let me refresh this yeah i no i i have never seen that before

1:00:34Luke Lafreniere:is that new i don't know because i've just been using old no see look wait view and read it up I don't even have it. What are you talking about? It just prompts me to install it from the store.

1:00:46Linus Sebastian:And then I can exit it. No, I don't click view in Reddit app. It's like from scrolling and opening stuff and scrolling and opening stuff. That will just show up. Really? Yeah. I've never seen that. I like run out of time almost. What browser are you on? Firefox. Oh. I've used Firefox on mobile without a pause for like over a decade. I actually really like Firefox on mobile.

1:01:05Luke Lafreniere:I wonder if that's like a Firefox user targeting thing. Does Firefox block ads on Reddit? I don't know Because maybe they go after you more aggressively

1:01:18Linus Sebastian:I don't think so because I'm pretty sure I've seen the dbrand ads that are funny And ours

1:01:23Luke Lafreniere:I basically just get us and dbrand Hey speaking of us and talking about Creator Warehouse I guess we should probably do that real quick Dan just put the sign up there I was late No no you're good uh okay we do not have a big announcement for a new product or anything like that this week for ltt store but we want to give you guys a bit of advance notice that there is some pretty big stuff coming up okay if you've had your eye on something you're not going to want to miss next week lime day oh is kicking off the linus inventory management experience is kicking off on june 23rd for float plane members and on the 24th for everybody else you'll find deals on select gear and apparel plus some amazing bundle offers that are going to be worth checking out and a reminder that our float plane plus supporters get free shipping over certain thresholds so this could be a perfect time to pick that up if you were planning to place an order um that shipping that you would have paid for anyway could cover like depending on how much stuff you're getting even a few months of being a floatplane plus supporter over at lmg.gg slash floatplane just make sure that you sign up for our email list so that you'll get a reminder of when events like this go live so you can do that over at lttstore.com also another announcement but not something you can buy today is we're bringing a little bit of controlled radiation down to open sauce before our new nuclear colorway lands on ltt store open sauce attendees will get an exclusive first look i think they can they can they buy it there i can't remember anyway you can join us july 17th to 19th at our open sauce booth and yeah so you can get your hands on one before the rest of the internet yeah i believe we will have some for sale there and if you want to know the exact moment that nuclear escapes containment and lands on the store.

1:03:24Luke Lafreniere:Again, make sure you sign up for notifications so you'll be the first to know. Plus, you will receive a one-time 10 % discount code. So you can check that out. Where is it? Somewhere. Here. Wait, is it this one? Uh-oh. Now I don't know. What are you trying to do, sorry? I'm trying to find the sign up for notifications and get a coupon thing.

1:03:57Linus Sebastian:Normally it would be linked in here. I don't see it linked in here. Yeah. Okay, hold on. Oh, on the nuclear escape. So it's probably on the screwdriver, question mark.

1:04:08Luke Lafreniere:Well, I subscribed and I will check and see if I get anything. I think I was already subscribed to the newsletter, though, so it probably won't. Where do they find it? Well, yeah, somewhere. Nobody knows. Someone does. Not us. Oh, Dan, there's more announcements? Yes. Oh, yeah, sure. Okay, yeah, we're hiring. Looking for a full-time writer to join the LTT team? If you're interested in applying, head over to linusmediagroup.com slash careers to get some more information. And we've got dates for the next Whale Land. It's going to be August 29th and 30th. BYOC tickets will be available starting at$80 Canadian, and there will be a limited number of Whale VIP tickets for$5 ,000 Canadian.

1:04:54Luke Lafreniere:Whale VIPs will receive a high-powered custom-built gaming PC from Starforged Systems and a studio and labs tour, plus a swag pack with the exact items curated closer to the event. Ticket sales start this Monday at noon at whaleland.com. All right, good stuff. Oh yeah, now it's time for us to do a couple of comms. If you guys aren't familiar, comms are the way to communicate with the show. We don't do Twitch pits or super chats or anything like that. We figure if you guys are going to throw money at your screen, you should probably get quality merchandise in return. So all you got to do to send a comm, communication message, checkout message, whatever we want to call it.

1:05:38Luke Lafreniere:I mean, it changed the name recently. Don't worry about it. Is add something to your cart. head on over to your cart and ask to display your order as a checkout message. You can make them anonymous. You can show your name. You can type anything you want, literally anything. And then you place your order and it will go to producer Dan, who will, I don't know, he'll pop it up on screen or maybe he'll respond to it himself or maybe he'll curate it for me and Luke to respond to. Dan, do you have a couple for us? I do. That's why I asked you to do them. That makes sense. It does. Listen We're getting good at this Hello Wanda DLL Long time viewer First time messenger Hi I have to know If there's More stubby Colorways coming For now I will steal this stubby I bought for my dad Semi colon dash Right parenthesis Thanks in advance Um No At this time We have no plans For additional colorways Of the stubby It sells okay The stubby's not going away We're gonna keep restocking it But unlike the full-size driver, it doesn't move in such volumes that we could have different colored plastics that would also sell in enough volume that they would be worth restocking.

1:06:55Luke Lafreniere:So, sorry. But at this time, the stubby is in, I believe it's in black and black or black and orange. And that is about it. That was a huge order. Like a$400 order. They picked up some TruSpec cables and a bunch of other stuff. Dan moved it before I could actually see it. Oh, terribly sorry. No, you're good. It's only going to be like the one that's right there. Oh, yeah, I see it now. There it is. Yeah, I picked up a stubby, precision kit, scribe driver, two scribe drivers, map of Siberia, desk pad. That thing's really cool.

1:07:29Linus Sebastian:Is there more TruSpec cables coming? There's already some out of stock already. Yes. There's quite a few out of stock, actually. Yes.

1:07:36Luke Lafreniere:Yes, more TruSpec cables are incoming. It's been painful trying to keep enough of them in stock. Hit me, Dan. Sure. Got another one here. What's up, boys? Like. I think that's supposed to say Luke. No. That's his name. Oh. Yeah. Like. Do you pronounce it like like or Luke? I thought this was just Valley Girl talk. Like. What work a bench did you order? That took so long to arrive. Looking to get a bench myself. And I know you always want to pack a good shit.

1:08:07Linus Sebastian:Man. I love that that was set in Valley Girl. We should do all of our... All comms are now Valley Girl. It was an Irwin fitness bench. Irwin fitness? Like the ones that make the clamps? Or different Irwin? I think probably different, actually. That makes sense. But yeah, it was... I mean, it's very nice. It took astronomically too long to arrive.

1:08:34Luke Lafreniere:Okay, well, which one is it? I mean, it's you. It's got to be Alpha.

1:08:38Linus Sebastian:I don't think so. Alpha. Oh, this isn't even like the stuff.

1:08:43Luke Lafreniere:Oh, okay.

1:08:45Linus Sebastian:Equipment.

1:08:47Luke Lafreniere:Benches. Benches.

1:08:49Linus Sebastian:At the top.

1:08:51Luke Lafreniere:Benches be crazy.

1:08:53Linus Sebastian:I think it's the AB1. The AB1. Very expensive. Bench. It's really nice. Five stars. I treated myself.

1:09:03Luke Lafreniere:949. 9. Luke doesn't spend money, but when he does, he spends it on his health.

1:09:10Linus Sebastian:And this is like, I should genuinely be able to keep it basically forever. You can replace the pad. Bench. The frame itself is like, not gonna go bad. So I can actually keep this all the time.

1:09:27Linus Sebastian:I need Linus to review the bench fully. Like, in person. I would. That's a fine bench. I really like... YouTuber face. Hey, that guy's video actually highly convinced me to get it. Influencer. I didn't know it was on there. He did. He influenced me. Hi, my name's Gluck. Gluck.

1:09:58Linus Sebastian:I want Linus to actually do an unboxing review of a bench now. There's no way.

1:10:03Luke Lafreniere:I wouldn't know anything to say about it. It goes up and down. Luck circuit.

1:10:08Linus Sebastian:Now I'm flat. I can be angled if you'd like.

1:10:19Luke Lafreniere:Voice actor way on show. Jeebus. All right. Yeah, cool. Got a bench.

1:10:28Luke Lafreniere:So when you were mad that it didn't arrive on time, Would you say that you were bench pressed? Oh my god.

1:10:40Linus Sebastian:I was actually like pretty cheesed. I thought I read somewhere that it was going to take like a month. And because it's like... Would you say that you had to wait for it?

1:10:55Luke Lafreniere:All right, that one counts. That one was actually pretty good. When there were no accessories. Did you see that you had gotten everything unboxed? Bar none. Bar none. Okay.

1:11:10Linus Sebastian:Okay. I was really wondering where you're going with that. Bar none's pretty good, I think. Bar none's pretty good. I don't know. I'm just glad the whole thing. It also especially works because there is no bar.

1:11:24Luke Lafreniere:I'm just glad that after it all, you know, it worked out. Oh.

1:11:30Linus Sebastian:That one was a bit of a stretch, but like go off The funniest part to me is that I squirged on that But dumbbells are really, really, really, really, really, really expensive

1:11:40Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, that's something I learned when I had to like buy a gym for Smash Tams

1:11:45Linus Sebastian:It's just metal Metal's cheap, isn't it? Turns out it's not, and it also costs a lot to ship it But it's also in like your condo, you don't want a whole wall of dumbbells So you usually go for adjustable dumbbells and you're, oh, adjustable dumbbells are very expensive. So like... It's just adjustable metal. It's so expensive. And they break pretty easily.

1:12:09Luke Lafreniere:I feel like we could disrupt this market. LTT store adjustable dumbbell.

1:12:14Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I don't know. It's like that dopamine site. It's just a digitally, it's like a webpage where you just change the weight and nothing actually happens. um but yeah so i decided to not buy fancy adjustable dumbbells yeah so i borrowed the old school plate loaded adjustable dumbbells my parents aren't using uh because they have like actual dumbbell wall um and so i have these like old slightly rusted uh i think emma described them as it looks like it came out of like a russian gym nice uh and then i have that paired and non-matching plates right so i can load them up with i think it's like 65 pounds each but one of them yeah one of them has like three perfectly matching plates then there's the weight of the bar and the nuts on the end and then the other one has i think it's like genuinely like five or six different plates on it and it goes all the way to the end of what the bar can hold so they're not even the same it's funny that we don't seem to ever be able to

1:13:21Luke Lafreniere:move beyond that move beyond what i bought a tycan turbo s and i harvest i harvest the windshield wiper housings and just put new silicone in. That is why I respect you both. You bought a$950 flat surface so that you could use mismatched custom rusted freaking weights on it. It's more expensive than

1:13:47Linus Sebastian:my computer chair. I spent a lot less time in it. I really like it though. But yeah, I splurge it. We allow ourselves to splurge on one thing and only one thing then it stops it's not even about the splurge it's just it's about the like i have one i was shopping a lot so why buy a new one i spent genuinely months going on facebook marketplace trying to find like a used bench i could buy and it was just garbage like rotting garbage the entire time there was no options i was really hoping to find like some gym that would close that would have a an atlantis bench because i really like the atlantis bench that's at the community gym that i i often go to never found any of those uh when i bought this this was like pretty close to peak like elbows up by canadian so i was trying to look into buying canadian but almost all the uh you know weightlifting equipment manufacturers are either american or overseas yeah um so like i i kind of ran out of a lot of options and then this one was apparently like some some welders in the east in canada so it's like canadian people hand making things and i was like all right well i'll i'll be an elbows up bro and spend a bunch more money and buy this one instead frankly it seems uh see like nah yeah nah and this this is like the type of stuff i was finding yeah on facebook marketplace like this was somebody died in this garage this yeah sorry but and again I spent months so it eventually came down to like okay well if I want to buy Canadian and I want it to like actually hopefully be actually Canadian and not you know rebadged somewhere else and I don't want to buy some like you know something like that off Facebook Marketplace I want an actually pretty solid bench I kind of ran out of options and then I watched Gluck's video Saw that Erwin won and was like he mentioned in the video that it's Canadian.

1:15:52Linus Sebastian:I was like, okay Well, that's like one of my only options at this point. I'll go that route I tried to do the same thing for dumbbells and it was like two grand and I was like nah Yeah, I'll borrow my parents I'm done. I already I already spent the like crazy money on the flat surface I'll wait on the other one.

1:16:12Luke Lafreniere:Maybe one day you'll be strong enough to hold your elbows up two thousand dollars worth

1:16:20Linus Sebastian:but it's not this day yeah i'm already like overweight for the wow unfortunate phrasing uh that's true but i'm already over like i can lift more than those dumbbells but my my argument is like at least i can do something at home and then if i want to lift heavier i should just go to the gym but it's nice to be able to like if i have a burst of inspiration i'm at home i can actually just rip some stuff out you can do a lot with a bench dumbbells so yeah it's good cool

1:16:46Luke Lafreniere:someone can i can't but you can no i would hurt myself for sure 100 are you still working out a little bit i think i have some boobies now small boobies still learning creatine very small boobies yeah but i honestly ever since i started it i've been like really busy i've been traveling for computex traveling for other stuff um there's been a lot of video projects lately um my my wife brought home a bunch of chicks and ducklings. So it's a thing. It turns out that you can... Oh, shoot. There was something that I was going to talk about on Wancho, and then I totally forgot to write it down. And now I guess I won't talk about it.

1:17:32Luke Lafreniere:It was just kind of an interesting topic. Anyway, yeah, so it's a thing. There's like multiple services that you... It's not that cheap. It's like a few hundred dollars or something like that. But they kind of do everything. They bring you some incubators. And they have fertilized eggs in them. And then they give you these little shiny, lighty, magnifying glassy things. And you can check on them every day and watch the chicks and the ducks develop and grow inside the eggs. And they give you all this documentation and stuff. so the kids can like learn about bird development and and then they hatch and like it's really exciting and then they they bring you like a little habitat for them and like all the food and water it turns out ducklings you need a special water trough for them that they can't get their head into because they just have like an instinct to put their head in water and they'll just die if their mother's not there to stop them from doing that uh they'll just kill themselves and in like this much water babies are stupid yeah i mean it's a miracle they survive in in the wild yeah um and then you just like keep them and you like take them out and play with them and they everywhere and because they're birds and then when you're done with them you basically just like put them back in the enclosure and you say yep we're done and then they take them away and it's been it's yvonne and the kids especially have been having an absolute blast with it so we have What do the cats think?

1:19:06Luke Lafreniere:We have two ducklings right now and four chicks. And the cats, Panda in particular, is super into just watching them walk around and make their little peep, peep, peep sounds. Obviously, the enclosure latches and the chicks are not allowed out of the enclosure when the cats are around because that would end really poorly, really quickly. What are they for? I mean, presumably for a farm somewhere that just runs this as like a side hustle. But it's like very white glove, honestly, all things considered. Like they literally like come to you and like drop off the enclosure and stuff. My sister put us onto it.

1:19:46Luke Lafreniere:She's like, oh, yeah, no, I've seen these before. And they're a thing. And we looked into it. There's like at least a few companies locally that do it. I hope Emma's not watching or else I'm going to have this like next week. Oh, yeah, they stink. Yeah, I know. I'm sure. Yeah, because they're like, you know, farm animals. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Cool. They're really cute though. I'm sure. When the ducklings are first born, they're like the stupidest things ever. They can like, they like, they like waddle like this and they're like, they're so clumsy. It's adorable.

1:20:16Linus Sebastian:Have you ever seen a like very fresh Great Dane puppy? No. God, they're so funny. Their feet are enormous. Their feet make no sense. Nice. For some reason their feet are just so, such higher scale than.

1:20:29Luke Lafreniere:they like how humans humans are born with a liver that's like almost full size or something that's why babies tummies are so big i read that somewhere let me double check that weird human babies big liver hold on i'm gonna check that um blah blah blah it's normal for healthy human babies to have a disproportionately large liver compared to the rest of their body while an adult's okay it's not full size well an adult's liver accounts for about two percent of body weight a newborn baby's liver is up to five percent so no it's just it's just big it's not it's not like full size when they're born.

1:21:03Luke Lafreniere:Apparently they have big eyes too, according to Ruker in floatplane chat. Human babies? Yeah. Eyeballs, they don't grow? Is that true? That's why their eyes are so big, because they're the same size. That actually makes a lot of sense. Okay.

1:21:24Linus Sebastian:Anyways. Oh, maybe I'm wrong, according to Crystal. Talking about... I don't know

1:21:33Linus Sebastian:I don't know I'm just out here spreading misinformation

1:21:36Luke Lafreniere:I can pick one here's a funny thing

1:21:38Linus Sebastian:They just grow a lot less apparently

1:21:41Luke Lafreniere:This is amazing This is mostly just funny Tesla self-driving safeguards Apparently defeated by doll heads So this is a product you can buy now that has a little suction cup that you stick to the top of your car and then you position it.

1:22:06Linus Sebastian:Oh my God, that's really funny. So you can sit on your phone and the car sees some head being very diligent about looking at the road. Yeah. Oh, that's so funny. It's also funny because if you smashed into something,

1:22:24Luke Lafreniere:your insurance would definitely get that footage yeah they definitely would um so it so so there's a camera that tracks the driver's attention during autopilot and full self-driving use and so the heads are positioned such as like you see there that fools the safety system into thinking you are a very attentive driver and chinese e-commerce platforms are selling these tiny plastic heads as travel companions and dashboard decorations for as little as $10. Our discussion question is, oh, I don't know if we're going to discuss this again, but does marketing driver assist technologies as autopilot and full self-driving, even with supervised tact on, encourage drivers to assume they don't need to pay attention to what their car is doing?

1:23:11Luke Lafreniere:I mean, I think we've talked about this extensively and there's finally a class action in, what is it, Denmark or something? Somewhere over in Europe, there's a class action that has about 7 ,000 people on it now that's basically like, yeah, so that was false advertising, that whole thing. And not just for the people who bought the full self-driving software package, but also for the people who bought all these hardware three cars that will never have full self-driving. Hardware 4 is apparently getting really good. Now that I'm done with that last comma video, procurement is on getting our hands on a hardware 4 car.

1:23:46Luke Lafreniere:So I think what we're going to do is either we'll buy one or I'll make a little trade with somebody internally because I think there's a couple people that actually have hardware for cars here. And so maybe they can take the Taycan for a month and I'll take their Tesla for a month. And we'll call that a fair trade. I mean, yeah, I don't mind as long as they don't crash it. Gas Racing says just rent one, my man. I mean, why? If I can do the trade, then that seems like a win-win. I like wins. but yeah I'm definitely I'm definitely wanting to try it hardware 4 is apparently quite good it's just like my only issue with it has been the false representation because what it wasn't and what it still isn't is completely autonomous it's not so when it isn't I really believe strongly that they shouldn't have called it that that's it.

1:24:51Luke Lafreniere:And I don't, it's kind of wild to me that to some people, that's a bad take. That seems like objectively a good take. When something is not a thing you said it is, that's bad. That's a scam. That's fraud. That's false advertising. You can kind of use whatever word you want for it, but it falls under the umbrella of don't do that. Or it should anyway. Maybe it doesn't. Maybe it makes you a trillionaire.

1:25:23Luke Lafreniere:Maybe nothing makes any sense.

1:25:30Luke Lafreniere:Here's a cool thing. There's a new 3D printing tech that's using elliptical laser beams to stir molten metal and create alloys on demand. And the coolest part is that existing machinery can apparently implement this technique in software, meaning more convenient, stronger alloy printing. Researchers at NIST have figured out how to mix metal alloys mid-print just by changing the path the laser takes. In standard metal 3D printing, the laser melts powder while tracing straight lines, and each melt pool only blends its ingredients a tiny bit. nist researcher ho young instead programmed the laser to draw continuous elliptical loops as it moves physically stirring the molten pool while it's still liquid kind of like whisking the metal together um there is a bit of a catch um while some existing metal printers that are already in the field could in principle be reprogrammed to do this commercial 3d printer software can't draw these patterns so the team had to write their own from scratch and they proved it by fusing reha 19 a dense high entropy alloy with a lightweight titanium alloy and watching them combine into a new alloy in real time that is so cool uh so quick primer here and i'm not an expert on this so hopefully uh whoever prepped this topic knows about metallurgy uh most traditional alloys are one main metal with small amounts of others mixed in like steel which is mostly iron a high entropy alloy instead blends five or more metals in roughly equal amounts which can make them exceptionally strong or heat resistant the problem is those metals have different densities and melting points so they tend to separate into weak blotchy regions as they cool so basically exactly the problem that this stirring technique fixes so the longer term vision though is alloys on demand so instead of stocking a different pre-mixed powder for every alloy a single printer loaded with basic elemental powders could blend custom alloys on the fly which would cut material costs and even allow you to vary the composition across a single part to replace welding what the hell that's really cool uh yeah wow this is like man metal printing already absolutely blew my mind the first time i heard

1:27:59Linus Sebastian:about it because i was like oh that's the coolest thing ever alloys on demand is like feels very space age this is very enterprise very yes this is star trek yeah yeah yeah

1:28:10Luke Lafreniere:like you just this is like actually a food replicator but metal yeah that's that's actually that's insane metal AF you might even say that's that's really crazy yeah I was like I was reading about this this week and I was like really like what are you talking about and you can even and and it can be like backported onto existing machines the fact that it's a software update like the whole thing is just kind of wild that's uh that's really cool yeah like I'm trying to imagine like what would i what would i do with uh this is one of those things where i feel like my

1:28:51Linus Sebastian:imagination is the bottleneck like what you almost need more limitations so you can like what could

1:28:57Luke Lafreniere:what could i create like i could create i could create a part that you know is like solid here but then like has a sprung element here like i could make i could make like a hand squeezy thing you know what i mean because i could have i could have one metal here and then i could have like a like a super bendable alloy here and i could make like a hand exercise okay that i don't know i was thinking about your weight bench right like i'm like i'm just i'm trying to think of like what could i make with this like freaking almost i think the most interesting part is just being able to

1:29:29Linus Sebastian:uh rapidly experiment with different alloys if you're doing like prototyping or whatever else to try to find you know what one looks the best what one feels the best what one is uh strongest for whatever yeah i was gonna say strongest but i don't like is is the resulting part as strong i don't think it would be if you 3d printed a piece versus like casted a piece from my understanding at this time no yeah so i don't know if you could do strongest

1:29:59Luke Lafreniere:um but you might do you might be able to do strongest in this um in this geometry like not everything is relatively relatively strongest necessarily yeah interesting sure

1:30:15Linus Sebastian:yeah i i for me it it really speaks to like prototyping stuff really rapidly i guess

1:30:23Luke Lafreniere:Here's some cool AI news Relax relax it's actually Cool NVIDIA research published a paper Where basically They trained robot arms To perform some Is this actually really cool? Yeah it's really cool

1:30:39Linus Sebastian:Is this where they install a GPU? Oh yeah So we're not even needed anymore

1:30:45Luke Lafreniere:It's so funny that is Exactly what my note said On the topics spreadsheet hold on let me see if here it is here's when topic checklist

1:30:59Linus Sebastian:yeah i mean you don't need you don't need how-to basics uh installing a gpu if your little robot

1:31:06Luke Lafreniere:does it for you um anyway what's cool about it is not just that a robot arm did a thing because we already had that uh but earlier this week nvidia director of ai jim fan revealed that researchers can now enable auto-research in the physical world and presented a demo reel that introduces n-pire it gave eight coding agents a fleet of robots an allocation of gpus and a whole bunch of tokens before giving the agents tasks to solve as quickly as possible without making mistakes fan said all we did was give codecs and api to the world of atoms and the rest is emergence and that once and he said that once instructed the robot fleet starts to come alive they look for visual cues reset the scene practice novel skills tinker with control stack read papers online debate reflect get stuck and try again directly on the hardware the agents were able to manipulate the robots to complete tasks like sorting precision screwdriver bits tying and cutting zip ties, installing a GPU in a motherware PCIe slot, and pushing a 3D printed T around on a table.

1:32:16Luke Lafreniere:Tests also included using different agents and different numbers of robots and concluded that eight robots working in parallel solved the tasks significantly faster than fewer ones. Empire runs fully autonomously, testing the agent's hypotheses in the real world, automatically evaluating successes and failures then resetting the experiment to its initial state for the next trial and deciding what to try next tom's hardware reports that the empire project will be open source so you could conceivably host your own automagical robot lab at home

1:32:51Linus Sebastian:man it's kind of wild the amount of open source stuff that's happening in the ai space it's uh It's kind of surprising. I mean, I can see NVIDIA's motivation. No, for sure. And from NVIDIA's standpoint, yeah. You'd sell more shovels, man. Keep going.

1:33:07Luke Lafreniere:The fact that near frontier models, like when DeepSeek first landed, was just, here you go, everybody. That was pretty surprising. I'll give you that. I'm assuming that's kind of more what you were talking about.

1:33:23Linus Sebastian:I mean, that it's from NVIDIA is not too surprising here, but just the sheer volume of stuff in this space that has been in the open source realm is kind of what I'm talking about. This one in particular isn't all that surprising, but just another one being on the wall is the surprising part, I guess. Want to see the tying a zip tie one? Yeah.

1:33:45Luke Lafreniere:Here we go.

1:33:48Linus Sebastian:It's pretty wild, dude. So is it just this one or does it work with it? Yeah, there it is. Works with its buddy.

1:33:55Luke Lafreniere:Here you go, buddy.

1:33:59Linus Sebastian:I like that it adjusted.

1:34:06Hmm.

1:34:08Luke Lafreniere:Let it cook.

1:34:15Luke Lafreniere:Oh, no way. Okay, that was a pretty cool move. Yeah, actually. That was a pretty cool move. It's thinking, it's having a think. Calculating. Wait for it. Wait for it. I feel like I'm getting blue balls waiting for the big moment here. Wait for it. Is it still going? Wait, did that - did it end? Nooooo. Oh, hold on. Why would they do this to us? I can't believe you've done this. that's so rude what just happened did the video player just break that's crazy what just happened there okay hello this player sucks yeah they should use float plane

1:35:07Linus Sebastian:we could help them with that

1:35:10Luke Lafreniere:I'm so confused right now where's the do they vibe code this how does this work it kind of seems like it yeah Yeah, this just doesn't do anything Yeah, nothing works is is this is this slop Have we have we found a slop? Oh man, okay? Hold on. Maybe it'll go this time Maybe it'll be different this time. Oh just freeze on this frame instead. Yeah, none of this is working I can't click on any of the other things fine. How about the GP? They all just they all just tease you this is crazy

1:35:47Linus Sebastian:Man do I have to go to their OnlyFans Oh yeah I know that's a good point Go back to your screen Right click on it show controls That's a good point Oh really

1:36:03Linus Sebastian:Nope

1:36:04Luke Lafreniere:Big fat pile of nope there

1:36:06Linus Sebastian:Well it's at the end that shows that it's actually at the end

1:36:08Luke Lafreniere:Okay so that's it that's as far as that one goes Alright

1:36:12Linus Sebastian:Wow

1:36:14Luke Lafreniere:Way to go, NVIDIA. Way to go, NVIDIA. Either way, sounds pretty cool. I've actually been finally tinkering around with some Homelab AI stuff. I got Odysseus installed this week. Oh, installed? Yes. I got to have my first wonderful experience with NVIDIA drivers on Linux. it turns out that depending on the gpu you're running and depending on the distro you're using it is a giant big fat bag of dongs yeah um so i my original plan was i found a couple of uh gv100 quadros like old school quadros in the warehouse and some envy links and i was like oh yeah well that seems like a thing that would be pretty good for running bigger stuff.

1:37:10Luke Lafreniere:A lot of VRAM. A lot of VRAM. A lot of VRAM. High speed interconnect between the VRAM. So we have the 32 gig version of those cards. I have two of them. So that gives me 64 gigs of kind of mostly pooled VRAM. Yeah. Well, yeah, it turns out they only have, after fighting with this for probably a grand sum to, okay, no, I should go back to the beginning. Is this a video? Are you making this a video? Um, I don't know yet. Okay. There's no real payoff yet. Sure. And the last thing that I would have needed is to make a video with this much trial and error just yet. So I was poking around in the warehouse.

1:37:50Luke Lafreniere:I found those GV100s and I was like, oh, that seems pretty cool. And then I also found that RTX 5090 that we did that power connector modification on. Yeah. You know, the one with the super sketchy yeah uh xt120 power cable going into it and then just like wires instead of the 12 volt 2x6 and i was like hey what nobody's using this thing we have a freaking rtx 5090 that is just sitting in the warehouse not being used i remember telling people explicitly i was like hey after we do this mod obviously we can't use it for comparative benchmarking anymore but we could definitely use it for like if we have anything that we just need to run because it still totally works um what the heck why is this just sitting on the shelf fine well if i'm like doing some ai crap at home then i'll use it so i so i so i grabbed it i put it in a bin i took it home no no don't worry i figured out why nobody's using it um so anyway i got home and i was like okay well this could be a pretty cool little station i grabbed a like a sapphire rapids zeon platform that nobody was using because who would but it has a lot of cpu cores and supports It's a lot of RAM.

1:39:00Luke Lafreniere:Corsair must have sent over this ECC DDR5 kit that probably was for Sapphire Rapids back then. So I dug that up. This was before the great shortage. So it's not the fastest stuff, but it's a lot of capacity. So I built everything up, and I was like, okay, so I'll have the dual GV100s for when I need a ton of memory capacity. And then I'll have the RTX 5090 for if I need actually faster compute. and I was having a hell of a time getting it to work. And the conclusion that I drew is, oh no, there must be something wrong with that stupid modified 5090. So I pull it off the bench and I go, oh, this needs to be redone.

1:39:44Luke Lafreniere:Like we did, in fairness to us, we didn't have the best tools on hand at the time and we didn't really know what we were doing modifying power connectors on GPUs. We did a terrible job. And the captain tape that we had because we forgot to put the sleeving on before we did the soldering and we were afraid of killing it if we took the solder job off and put it back on again, which was a very legitimate concern because we put so much solder on it that I actually did end up spilling solder all over the board and I had to wick it all off very, very carefully. So that captain tape was like coming off and that positive and negative terminal were like right there, like, like hairs away from each other.

1:40:25Luke Lafreniere:so what i ultimately did was i pulled everything apart i desoldered everything got all that solder all over the board had to had to wick all of that up had to kind of bend it a little bit more at some point in storage uh one of the sense pins for the 12 volt 2x6 that tells the gpu hey you're good to go draw 600 watts one of those got torn off just like sheared off so i had to go deeper into that connector cut away the connector bridge the appropriate pins it turns out we didn't need to run that cable at all which is something we understand better now but didn't at the time you can you can just solder together two of the pins i think it's pins three and four i forget it's the two of the edge ones one and two or three and four i can't remember um i had i grabbed some new wire so we used this like eight gauge like stranded and yet like thick stiff copper wire last time that was safe.

1:41:20Luke Lafreniere:In fairness to Lucas, it was safe to use that, but it was really rigid and inflexible and it put a lot of strain on those connectors, especially with the weight of the XT120. So I grabbed some 10 gauge, which I was right, by the way, Lucas, is fine. It's good enough. He was also right though, because eight gauge is rated for 50 amps and 10 gauge is not. But when we looked it up, that was for like in wall. This is not in wall. This is next to an intake fan. It turns out it's fine. So I got some 10-gauge wire, which was a lot easier to solder. And it's like the silicone hobbyist-grade stuff, so it's quite a lot more flexible.

1:41:58Luke Lafreniere:What Lucas was right about, though, is XT90s are not good enough. I tried it for lulls. I ended up disassembling the XT120, cleaning all the solder off of it, and then using that instead. So, hey, we can both be right. Lucas more than me, but that's fine. I was there with a FLIR. Like I was standing there with a FLIR and I was like, I'm not going to guess. I'm going to find out for sure. You know, what is too much resistance on this wire? So finally, after not being able to get the 5090 working in the system, I put it back in and it's still not working. And I go, holy crap, I must have gotten some solder somewhere on the board.

1:42:43Luke Lafreniere:I must have done something. It's not working. I can't install the drivers. and I go meanwhile I've been trying to get the GV 100s working and I like can't it's way beyond my ability to do on my own it has me like trying to block the nouveau driver from loading it boot and doing all this stuff and I'm using uh chat GPT totally sucked uh Gemini was actually quite a bit better in terms of like helping me get it working I wasted it once again wasted a bunch of time with chat gpt before just using gemini and it working ultimately way better um chat gpt user share is plummeting i saw that i think they're below 50 now right yeah so ultimately um was like still struggling getting the getting the gv100s working um and i'm like panicking about this 5090 that's broken now so i actually like i i take out the linux boot drive i i throw the 5090 on by itself and i'm like or no sorry i left linux boot drive on i throw on the 5090 and it's not working by itself either and i go holy crap okay i need to test this against something else so i grab my like random old am4 motherboards like a second gen am4 system i put it on the bench i throw the 5090 and holy crap i can't install drivers i'm getting like code 29 this device the device initialized by the bios doesn't match the device windows is trying to initialize or something oh no this has got to be a hardware problem um so i take the card off i like take it all apart again i find a little ball of solder somewhere i go holy crap was that was that it i put it back on it's still not working and i ultimately have no idea what i did but i put it on again and then it just worked so then i was like oh my god okay well the last thing i'm going to do is take this apart again so now to like permanently do these power leads i am going to do this while it's all attached to the board so i i get the xt 120 connector i i i take out that monstrosity that lucas bolted together with the like six individual leads going into the like the eye thing and i just uh put those with ample solder straight into the back of the xt 120 so i have the power connector done it's working i go back to linux i put it on and holy crap it doesn't show up and i'm like did i break it so i go back to windows i put the card back on it's working perfectly i go back to linux and i go wait i've got the volta cards working now this is great the 5090 is not showing up oh my god you cannot on fedora at least or maybe linux at all i don't know you cannot have two different versions of the nvidia drivers you cannot the gv100s need an older legacy driver path and the 5090 doesn't support that and the GV100s do not support the newer driver and unlike Windows where you can have two completely separate GPU drivers you simply one simply cannot have multiple NVIDIA drivers installed.

1:45:49Luke Lafreniere:Okay. Yeah, Demonstre says I ran into that. Yeah. But

1:45:56Linus Sebastian:You got the GV100s working though.

1:45:58Luke Lafreniere:But there's good news. i kind of went okay well forget the 5090 maybe i don't need it i've got the gv 100s working now so i fired up odyssey and i was like oh yeah um like quen quen 3.6 is like the hotness right now there's all these different like various uh like quantizations and whatever and so i like download a few of them and every single one that i go to run it won't it won't like initialize it won't it won't work and i was like oh my god it has first generation tensor cores that just straight up do not support anything anymore anything new anything good doesn't matter how much vram i have unless i want to run like old ass ancient models they're basically eol they're useless there was no point in me fighting with getting them working at all it doesn't support it at all it doesn't just go slower it just literally doesn't support they literally do not support um the right i i think it's like fp8 they do not support they do not so i'd have to i'd have to look at the exact terminology because it was like three in the morning by this point i guess i didn't understand

1:47:09Linus Sebastian:it because i thought i thought it would just run it a lot slower because it wasn't optimized for it i didn't realize it just wouldn't run it at all nope hmm that has a lot of the fun ideas i had

1:47:21Luke Lafreniere:just cooked right off the top so at this point i go well time to rip those off the bench the good news is i grabbed that rtx 5090 because and and i have now fixed it so you at least have that on hand and i have now realized that oh no i've gotten further since then and i i have now fixed it i can put that on the bench i had to scrub the old drivers which as part of getting the old drivers working i had like explicitly blocked proper newer drivers from being from automatically loading because otherwise fedora would try to do that yeah so i have to go and unblock it okay which is like i'm going straight back to gemini for that because there's no way i remember anything that i did for that i finally get it working um and that's where i left off okay uh oh actually no that isn't quite where i left off because i also found a water-cooled 5090 that nobody was using from the murder box build so you're gonna have a water-cooled 5090 and a frankenstein one linked together and i am like super to each other i'm like super super close i am very very poorly rested this week but yes ultimately got them working it was a total pain in the butt uh but you know what i'm glad it was it was actually fun it was probably the most fun that i've had building a stupid with hardware again test bench yeah yeah i haven't had a good reason this is this is going to blow some people's minds um remember back when the 5090 launched and there was that whole like saga with me and ploof who's going to pre-order one who's going to go through with it you know and and ultimately he didn't end up taking his pre-order and I bought it off of him.

1:49:12Luke Lafreniere:That was how, that was how it ended. So probably about a month ago, he changed his mind and was like, I want a 5090. And I was like, funny coincidence. I never installed it. I literally have been running a 7900 XTX in my, in my like main rig upstairs that i actually very rarely use for gaming these days uh mostly it's just like my i do work at that one yeah and i have a 3080 downstairs i had a 5090 in my house for literally months installing gpus in my computers in fairness to me is super inconvenient um with the with like the land machines are those like one you like crazy ones you need to find a compatible water block you need to like get in there and get everything all drained out and like probably rearrange the internals in order to get a different shaped card in there it's nightmare and then in my main rig everything is everything's water cooled and there's also some like like gunk in it because i never actually cleaned that one out so i would have to go like like like pipe cleaner every tube and take apart every block and clean every block before i would want to put a new stupid block in that system so that it doesn't get all gunked up uh so in fairness to me it is super inconvenient to install a gpu for me but um i was like oh sorry yeah do you want it back at the price you paid he's like yes because they've gone i think they've gone up like a thousand dollars us since then or something like that so i was like okay um anyway coming coming back to that um for my for gaming like i haven't been motivated to like the 3080 is still pretty good 7900 xcx still pretty good as long as i don't want to turn on ray tracing that's a fast card and so this is like the first time in literally years that i've been

1:51:18Linus Sebastian:like oh like the fastest heart i just want the fastest hardware and what do i have how much of it can i shove in there like you sent me that photo of i think it was the 2gv 100s and you had the um oh shoot what is the name of the the intel storage thing optane you had the optane drive in there and like that photo is sick dude like i haven't seen a photo like that where i thought it made any sense at all in years, man. Like, so many years.

1:51:52Luke Lafreniere:That picture goes pretty hard.

1:51:54Linus Sebastian:Like, I remember... Damn! Right? And it all matters! This is getting me exciting again. Like, this is what modern computing is about. We're going back in time. And you're like... Are you ready? But it is fun anyways. Look at that!

1:52:11Luke Lafreniere:It's 2007! 7. Look, he's even got a VGA connector, like PS2 keyboard, maybe, I don't know. This is awesome.

1:52:20Linus Sebastian:And you're laying a fan down on top of the GPUs. Gotta get some airflow in there. It's not enough zap straps. It's just cool, man. Damn. I love stuff like this. That photo made me happy. I was kind of, man, I'm sad, but I guess I just didn't dive into it enough but I was thinking about if you link three you can go ahead and show that hold on we'll let Luke go if you link three 1080s together you get 24 gigs of VRAM if you link two 1080 Ti's you get 22 gigs of VRAM but they're so old

1:53:03Luke Lafreniere:but if you're running older models I think you can get away with it but what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to make it so my back garage opens automatically when it sees my pink motorcycle. So I'm going to need some pretty... You're not going to be able to let that keep running because you said that on the show now. No, it'll be fine. Because I can also tie it to other triggers. I would never put that on its own.

1:53:28Linus Sebastian:Okay.

1:53:28Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. There's lots of other triggers that you can bake into it that people could know that and it wouldn't help them at all.

1:53:34Linus Sebastian:Okay.

1:53:35Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, so my goal...

1:53:36Linus Sebastian:As long as you're for sure doing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah i can't i can't dude the neighbor just walks by your back garage with a picture of the neighbor could ride their little their little trike and open up my garage absolutely not cool

1:53:49Luke Lafreniere:um so what yeah what you can what you can do is you can um you know what i won't get into too much detail but there's other uh there's other gates that you can set it to have to pass in order for to actually activate the automation yeah um and not just that but i want to do a whole bunch of like machine vision based automations because that was kind of the whole idea of wiring up my house with all these like cameras and stuff like why am i ever manually opening the sonos app that's crazy with all the tech that i piped into that i mean i think it was like one of the super

1:54:29Linus Sebastian:old school hacker movies i think it was like the the guy in the movie who is supposed to basically be bill gates but wasn't actually bill gates i think um had this thing where whenever he individually was the one that walked into a room it would play the music that he liked and that was like from forever ago and that i i know you can like kind of antitrust yeah antitrust movie yeah is it actually bill gates or is it just supposed to be someone who's like him. It's like obviously supposed to be him. Yeah. Stephen Bills? Yeah, sure.

1:55:13Linus Sebastian:But yeah, he had a bunch of like cool home automation stuff. Yeah. I remember thinking about how awesome it would be, but those things have always been like, I don't know, pretty flawed, I find. You could get Sonos playing everywhere. Maybe you could have it start playing if it detected somebody was in the room, but is it really going to know that it's you is it going to know that it's your music specifically because you're in the room how does it deal when there's conflicts of multiple people in there

1:55:39Luke Lafreniere:um i think i can i think i can i won't be fussy enough that it has to be you know me necessarily sure um and i think i i think i can it'll be enough for me if the system just even gets used because right now the friction of the Sonos app kind of sucking and not having that convenient casting like it used to have with Google Play Music is enough that it gets used, but not nearly as much as I would like for it to. Like, I could see something like The Backyard as simple as, hey, if you see people back here, play 90s Greatest Hits. Sure. Just at all. Because usually that's what we'll put on if there's like a pool party or something.

1:56:27Luke Lafreniere:And someone can override it if they want, but at least it starts playing something.

1:56:31Linus Sebastian:Just use the damn thing. Yeah, just start playing something. Yeah.

1:56:35Luke Lafreniere:Dan, you can go ahead and throw up my amazing solder bodge jobs. Believe it or not, this is actually better than what we had. So there was no Kapton tape, or there was just Kapton tape in between that red and black terminal before. Both wires were red, and they were so heavy and so stiff that they put a ton of strain on these, like, flat connectors that were coming out. uh also that little green wire everything is now shrink wrapped which is a massive improvement and a lot of the just like burnination on here is from the first time around um yeah look at that discoloration just above it yep right yep it's crunchy yep so okay i'm not gonna lie some of that discoloration is from when i was melting off the old like like freaking cooked pea worth of solder that was on that that was just sitting on that connector uh there's a there's a shot of it like now cleaned up and finished there you go that's what it looks like now you compare that to what was in the video this is a i promise you mondo improvement yeah and then there's a picture

1:57:47Linus Sebastian:of the chickies yeah you got some helpers wow that's cute that's probably gonna be my house soon just hanging out in the hanging out with the drive sleds you can't get three you gotta get like 15 you know that luke right well what might save us and emma if you're listening uh what might save us is like i mean they could bring uh bird born things that could hurt our birds you know maybe i mean they're babies so like

1:58:17Luke Lafreniere:the only birds not ever be born anywhere near is yours stop

1:58:25Luke Lafreniere:I mean that's just how infectious diseases work

1:58:32Luke Lafreniere:oh my god oh oh right yeah uh yeah that could be a big problem yeah thanks who did the totally I covered you is it not you who did the first one uh the first one okay so for speaking of malware for reference it's kind of yeah that's what it looked like before so um wow terrifying yeah so you could see how stiff the wires were yeah wow and they were super heavy so they were putting all that strain on the world's sketchiest solder job that was even worse than what i just did and showed you And this is supposed to be better than the 2x12 or whatever it is? Well, it doesn't. I mean, it won't melt the connector, I can tell you that much.

1:59:23Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, but you're going to look at it wrong. It's going to snap off. All of them is going to go into the fan, and then there's sparks everywhere. And then your house burns down. And then if you move your mouse up a little bit, you can see how we just had the four-pin sense wire. See them across the fan there? To the right. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so we just had them kind of running off of the stubs of the old connectors so i did that little green wire instead to just bridge it which is definitely better and then under all that electrical tape that's between the the power supply connector up there you go oh under that was each six terminations going into one giant with eyes like uh with with a whole like donuts on them like i don't know what to call them other than like an eye like kind of like an eye hook but flat for you know sure yeah yeah i don't know what those connectors are called the point is six stacked like like washers and then one giant washer on the other side and then like them bolted together just like sandwiched together by a big bolt it was scary so my new one uh the cable hits a max uh after a one hour firm arc session of about 48 49 degrees which apparently is is within range anywhere from like 45 to 60 is considered normal for the 12 volt 2x6 cable so we good so i still have the xt 120 that big yellow thing is still there but it doesn't put nearly as much strain uh because it's not like hanging a foot over top of it like out into the into the void those silicon wires are nice too love those yeah big difference

2:01:11Linus Sebastian:um okay so did you you get it actually running not yet i this was like not last night because

2:01:20Luke Lafreniere:hacksmith and plasma channel came over last night but the night before i i dude it's so the world is so funny I had never heard of the Plasma Channel until two weeks ago at Computex I did a video on an ionic cooling fan thing and the comment section of that video was just flooded with Plasma Channel you collab with Plasma Channel Plasma Channel the fuck is Plasma Channel this one yeah and so I'd never heard of him until that moment moment and then james messages me yesterday morning he's like hey we happen to be in town we got nothing going on uh i'm here with like plasma channel like didn't really ring a bell yet but they just show up they show up in the evening after after uh pool party for my daughter and um and i kind of go i like finally start putting it together and he's like mentioning what he does on his channel and how he's like super into that i'm like wait no like you're you're like really into ionic ionic thrusters and ionic fans and stuff he's like oh yeah that's like that's like my thing and i'm like wait you're the guy that everyone was telling me that i needed to meet two weeks two weeks from me accidentally making a video about an ionic thruster and him sitting in my backyard trying Ukrainian borscht for the first time because my aunt dropped some off and he's just an adventurous guy, I guess.

2:02:54Luke Lafreniere:I showed it to him. I'm like, I don't know. It's like beets and cabbage. That's unusual. He's like, sure. This is great. We hung out. We rode go-karts. We played some Ultimate Chicken. I hope he sounds exactly like that. No, no, no. Basically that. Super nice guy. Yeah, super nice guy. Hacksmith I've met a lot of times. We've hung out. known him for years and years. But yeah, Plasma Channel. Never met him. They were in town for something. And I forget where I was going with this. But oh, right. That's why I didn't work on it last night. So I didn't work on it last night, but I did work on it the night before.

2:03:30Luke Lafreniere:And I am at the point of I've got models downloaded and I'm at the point where I can tell it I want it to work across a couple of GPUs and I can click deploy, but it like doesn't because i'm getting some errors so i just need to work my way through those errors so i'm getting close to actually being able to interact with my chatbot and yes to everyone talking about frigate yes i'm aware of frigate and i will be using frigate it's like it's actually pretty lightweight you totally don't need anything super overpowered but i'm kind of i'm wanting to figure out the cutting edge software and i see no reason if i mean if the GPUs were just sitting there anyway.

2:04:14Luke Lafreniere:I'm seeing no reason not to use them. I wish I had a picture. I was looking for this earlier of how I have the water-cooled one set up. But the whole thing is pretty janky. You know, I find it interesting that you stuck with Linux

2:04:34Linus Sebastian:because Odysseus works on Windows.

2:04:36Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, but I don't feel like

2:04:39Linus Sebastian:that's the right way to do it. I agree. And I respect that you stuck with Linux. And I don't even think that's being like Linux pill. This is effectively a server.

2:04:49Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. And you should try to do it on Linux. In my perfect world, right? I am not running Odysseus on my desktop anyway. No, this is, yeah. Everything that I said at the end of Linux Challenge about for my job, needing to daily Windows is still true. and so i i here actually i have a here this is for my security camera just send that to dan um so all everything that i said is still true but in my perfect world all of this stuff like my local llm stuff or like you know yvonne's helper for kids scheduling like or whatever agent that i have chipping away on finally finishing that cat project or you know whatever right like whatever's running would be in the server rack yeah it wouldn't be my daily driver machine anyway you could you could communicate with it through like discord yeah exactly yeah so there's there's no reason for it to be my daily driver desktop anyway okay yeah so that's it this is the current state of things right now so you can see the squeeze bottle is still there from having just filled that radiator tower that's next to it yeah that's actually um the heck is that could be a problem That's the Bixki external rad box that we did a video on a while back where Alex and I found that it had a fundamentally flawed design.

2:06:09Luke Lafreniere:You can actually see in the very top where there's two fill ports. There's a black one at the back and then there's a silver one next to it. Alex and I found the fundamental flaw and so I took it home and I fixed it. You have to put a second fill port in it so that there's somewhere for the air to go when you fill it. because otherwise it took me and Alex like quite literally hours to fill this thing because there was no way for the air and water to exchange now you can fill it from empty in like two minutes because you can just put it in and the air can escape he's fast man sorry I just don't even understand how he does that sometimes but um oh pancratz pointed out we used it in the all transparent pc more recently if you want to see the uh the modified version so i fixed the fill port issue and then uh i think justin cut a new like transparent ltd panel for it it actually looks really cool now it's because there were rgb fans in it but there was no transparent side panel and we're like they did not only put the fans in but they put the controller in like pixky what are you doing brother um so yeah so that thing i've had it at home so that i can put the one you machines on the bench because other all the water coming in from the pool that cools those machines is over by the rack and that's not a good place to work on them when there's you know an issue or whatever so it allows me to take them off the bench and then and then hook them up to something so right now i won't be able to do that so i'm probably going to have to come up with a more permanent solution for cooling that gpu but i think i'll do that after i actually determine that i can do anything useful with this thing but for now yeah i've got the 250 90s in there sapphire rapids is pcae gen 5 really beast so they can communicate over pcae gen 5 at least that's better than nothing it's got 256 gigs of ram uh 56 core cp or something like that so it's like ridiculously powerful and then so what i want to do is without hardware bottlenecks i want to just kind of figure this stuff out like i used to have fun with it you know

2:08:10Linus Sebastian:like how it used to be fun i was messaging you about this too but yeah that's why i'm so excited and it sucks that everything costs so damn much but that's why I'm so excited about locally hosted AIs. It's just kind of fun again.

2:08:21Luke Lafreniere:Those ancient ass GV100s are still going for like two grand on eBay.

2:08:25Linus Sebastian:Well this is why and I wonder, I'm sure you can run something on them. Oh I'm sure you can. No I don't mean those. I mean what is interesting to me is that a 1080 is like a hundred bucks. Yeah. I figured that out because I was loaning one to a buddy and he gave it back and i was like you don't have to give this back to me and he's like oh it's worth something and i i looked into it and it was a hundred bucks and i was like well that's kind of interesting really because that's the cheapest way that i can think of that you can get 24 gigs of vram is strapping three of those together and there's a lot of 1080s floating around

2:09:03Luke Lafreniere:um okay hear me out i'm gonna send another i'm gonna send another picture to dan if i can find it shoot i took this picture i took this picture at computex um already broken 104 scenes so this is we're at records now 104 scenes yeah i have 104 do you not clean them up no i need all of them oh um but okay that's a little unexpected shoot i can't find it but i found a company that may oh i found it okay so it sounds to me luke like you need one of these yeah someone's

2:09:43Linus Sebastian:also bringing up rtx titan i'm pretty sure i messaged linus about specifically rtx titans because they're they're 2000 series cards that have uh 24 gigs of vram which is like insane

2:09:54Luke Lafreniere:how fun how much okay even if it's like crappy how much fun would it be to do a build dan throw it up. Zoom in on the top right one. What is this?

2:10:10Luke Lafreniere:Oh my God. How much would you love to fill that with like 1080s? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. Oh, that's fun. It's about 20. So you could do about 20 1080s on that.

2:10:28Linus Sebastian:I mean, I don't know. At that point in time you're getting into the range where you have enough money that you should probably just have

2:10:35Luke Lafreniere:bought something else it would be it would be bottlenecked to crap because that too i would imagine they would need to go all the way back to be vicious just to your system before they and the uplink to that couldn't be faster than like 16x or at most 32x anyway um

2:10:52Linus Sebastian:that seems that yeah someone else is saying crypto minor motherboard yeah it feels like

2:10:55Luke Lafreniere:more like that that's not a motherboard mining uh not yeah no that's no no that's like enterprise

2:11:02Linus Sebastian:stuff that's not for that's not for crypto mining i wonder what they're using it for um lots of gpus

2:11:08Luke Lafreniere:apparently yeah but what what application i'm not sure i i meant to contact those guys after the show

2:11:14Linus Sebastian:i haven't gotten around to it yet bat bat country five seconds per token

2:11:21Linus Sebastian:10 sets of 1080Ti's S-Libridge okay relax relax the whole idea is why I want to check out the RTX Titan and the 1080 is because they're I actually don't know how much RTX Titan is going for

2:11:32Luke Lafreniere:this is like running raid on floppy disks

2:11:41Linus Sebastian:oh man I read something somewhere that I think it was like the 580 or something was the first card at nvidia that nvidia was like messing around with um ai application stuff it's like quite a while ago actually oh like the second cuda card like that 580 yeah yeah okay um which is which is interesting obviously none of the models that matter are necessarily going to run on that. But it's interesting. That's kind of what sparked my interest of how far back could you go. It is a little sad. How are they still worth anything?

2:12:25Luke Lafreniere:Here's a water-cooled one that someone wants$200 for.

2:12:28Linus Sebastian:It's not going to happen.

2:12:29Luke Lafreniere:I've got some bad news for you, bro. These fittings are worth about as much as this card. The scrap copper is a significant amount of the value. You're saying that now you want to buy 20 of them. So like you're gonna just Here's two Can we find more? Hydro copper

2:12:48Luke Lafreniere:One and a half gigs of VRAM each

2:12:52Linus Sebastian:Wow they're all going for a bunch

2:12:54Luke Lafreniere:Yeah there's no one No one's buying these for that though New inbox What is this thing? This isn't 580 This is something else Oh this is RTX something Oh this is just a water block Okay Hilarious

2:13:10Linus Sebastian:hilarious hilarious oh yeah someone found two gtx 580s in sli are responsible for the ai we have today jensen huang revealed that the invention of deep learning began with two flagship fermi gpus in 2012 that's crazy um yeah so that that made me think like how far back can we go while still pushing the vram limiter uh to models that can still be helpful and you know what maybe maybe you don't get to the sick new models but yeah um maybe you still can run something pretty helpful like i wouldn't be too surprised if some of your home automation stuff could be run on

2:13:49Luke Lafreniere:much more simple oh it could a hundred percent of some of that stuff could run on like a 10 sorry a 10 uh could run on like probably a 30 60 30 70 so a big part of the reason that i wanted to run the newer stuff though is i want to be able to do a gentic stuff no yeah absolutely i'm just

2:14:06Linus Sebastian:And like both, honestly, the whole spectrum is really interesting to me. Like, you know, having some like really insane hardware at home and doing some really cool stuff. Or I've been talking about this forever, mainframe style things. Obviously, it's not mainframe. I just really like using that terminology. And I think it gets the point across of what I'm trying to describe, even though it's not the thing. But mainframe style big AI servers for local company use. Yeah. That's also very interesting to me. wicked hardware at home. I'm planning on getting something. It won't be 25090s, but I'm planning on getting something pretty beast.

2:14:41Linus Sebastian:I don't have the hardware locked down yet, but working on it.

2:14:45Luke Lafreniere:Stay the path says agents are crazy. I'm having a hard time focusing on schoolwork because I just keep wanting them to do more shit.

2:14:51Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Give it a, give it a, give it access to some voice thing and then invite it to a discord call and interact with it that way. Very fun. Fonzie buddy. One of my buddies was talking to me about how he did that. And he would just like, he could message it on Discord, but sometimes it would be easier because he's working on something to just have it join the Discord call than he could just ask it questions that way. And I was like, that's nuts, dude. That's crazy. And that was honestly a while ago, but this guy, Silas, you're out there. He's been on the edge of things for a long time. But yeah, I'm also interested kind of down on the other end of the spectrum on like, what can I get done?

2:15:33Linus Sebastian:like if i if i just finally or maybe i'm holding on to my 1080 and i'm planning to finally upgrade when the 6000 series comes out what do i what do i like you know like machine god warhammer strap my 1080 into now to make it just keep doing work uh what can i what can i still glean out of this thing it's continued to play games this whole time somehow uh what can i now make it do and i i without having done anything with it in full ignorance i feel like you could probably do a decent amount with these with you know some smaller models maybe you find a couple of your buddies are also upgrading off 1080s or you find a couple on facebook marketplace for 80 90 100 bucks and you strap a couple of them together like what can you do with 16 gigs of vram and two 1080s um it's interesting we're gonna try to mess around with some of that stuff with the lab and see what happens but cool um we're kind of taking our time a little bit making sure we know what we're doing um but it should be good exciting uh oh dan says i'm supposed to do the float

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2:21:10Luke Lafreniere:No way. This is the coolest thing ever. We have one piece of anus hardcore Spongebob speedrunners. Is tomato anus going to burst through the wall? This is incredible. It's not after Dark Den. Speedrunners of Spongebob Squarepants. That's what's next. Battle for Bikini Bottom on the original Xbox. Sick. found that by deliberately smudging the game disc with grease and sweat, they were able to enable a time-saving glitch. This glitch is called a leg clip and is done by rapidly pausing and unpausing, which makes the laser skip as it seeks the menu music, which opens up level skipping opportunities.

2:21:49Luke Lafreniere:Two speed runners, Shift and Zim, after much effort and time, found out the winning smudge pattern. It was eight grease strokes radiating from the disc's center like flower petals, enough to cause a glitch without making the disc unreadable.

2:22:10Linus Sebastian:Optimizing your grease patterns is so sick. The most gamer move of all gamer moves. A former champion... Your grease pattern sucks, bro.

2:22:21Luke Lafreniere:There's gotta be a new greaseless category. 100 % greaseless Greaseless they play on greasy pal Oh my god A former champion Handle Swagmaster Doritos Revealed I clean my discs via licking them Then using a pillowcase to wipe And clean Which also allowed him to leg clip Throughout the game The talk

2:22:50Linus Sebastian:Swagmaster Doritos licking his disc and then using a pillowcase to wipe it clean is so awesome. The top speedrunning community

2:23:04Luke Lafreniere:has since abandoned the disc trick. Now everyone runs the game from the Xbox hard drive citing leg clip inconsistencies and the ethics of damaging discs.

2:23:14Linus Sebastian:Oh, you can't leave Swagmaster Doritos out of it. I told you there was a greaseless category. Right, there is literally a greaseless category but I do I feel like I feel like you gotta acknowledge the greasers man you gotta acknowledge how can you go fast without

2:23:31Luke Lafreniere:grease sir yeah yeah you gotta grease it

2:23:35Linus Sebastian:wow that's uh I actually wasn't prepared for how

2:23:39Luke Lafreniere:cool that was alright I got something else that's actually you know okay maybe not cool but definitely better than what we had before remember when co-pilot plus PCs launched and like the whole selling point was that you needed a fancy dedicated NPU on your laptop processor to get local AI which if you're me seemed pretty stupid when you already had a whole bunch of tensor cores or AI cores or freaking CUDA core some kind of you already had a bunch of stuff in your computer already practically nothing ever used the NPU anyways well Microsoft is quietly testing a way to run those same features on a regular old discrete GPU you this change yeah right the way it probably should have been from the start this change was spotted by windows latest in the github repo for the experimental windows app sdk 2.2 which now lets the language model apis run on nvidia rtx 30 series or newer cards that have at least six gigs of vram it is strictly developer facing now it only works if you're on the windows insider experimental channel with developer mode turned on and microsoft warns the whole thing could change or disappear in a future release of course um when microsoft launched copilot plus pcs in 2024 the whole pitch was you needed a special machine with at least 40 tops npu to get these ai features but the irony is that npus were never actually more powerful than gpus for this stuff they're just power efficient which matters for laptop battery life but not very much for a plugged in desktop with a gaming card for now this only covers the language model api layer things like text summarization, rewriting, and editing.

2:25:18Luke Lafreniere:The headline Copilot Plus features like Click2Do and Recall are still NPU only. But this lines up with Microsoft's messaging at Build 2026, where it dropped the Copilot Plus branding and talked about AI running across CPUs, GPUs, and NPUs. Adoption of Copilot Plus PCs reportedly lagged because people didn't want to buy new hardware for features they saw as gimmicks, and even a Dell exec admitted at CES that consumers just plain weren't buying laptops because of AI. Yeah.

2:25:49Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Especially when, like, I really think most people are interacting with LLMs through a chat window in a browser. The vast majority of people. And I'm the, oh, we should have more local stuff guy. And I'm saying that. Like, it's just reality, man.

2:26:09Luke Lafreniere:our discussion question is microsoft spent two years telling people they needed a new npu equipped processor for these ai features and now graphics card people can just do it with their stupid gpu that they already freaking own was the npu requirement ever really about capability i mean clearly not as far as i can tell a big part of it had to do with partnerships between Microsoft and the hardware guys?

2:26:36Linus Sebastian:The labs team was going around to a bunch of events for a while and they were talking about how they could do these cool new AI things with their various chips. I'm saying they because I'm talking about a variety of different companies. And a very common question from us was like, does it run on the NPU? Can it run on the NPU? And it was always like... no okay what is this thing for why do you keep telling me about all it's so it's better and faster now and then nothing runs on it anyways and then like but it's just recall i don't want that it's like basically the only thing that i know of that can run on this hardware that i bought yeah it's something that i don't want it's just like just get rid of it go away i it's great it's efficient cool you already have the efficiency cores just do more of those i guess whatever more cash give me more cash that'd be great give me anything literally literally

2:27:41Luke Lafreniere:anything just not that my god uh oh here's a fun one dual sense pc gamers finally get haptic support that's cool though no thanks to sony uh sony dual sense controllers haptics now work on pc over bluetooth ending the long-standing requirement to plug the controller in via usb this breakthrough comes from dsx whose new beta can expose a virtual dual sense to games allowing supported titles to send native haptics effects wirelessly cool the dsx beta doesn't just enable wireless haptics it also adds bluetooth controller audio support for the dual sense on pc so audio features tied to the controller can also work without needing a wired connection still it is worth noting that this is a third-party solution and sony has not delivered native wireless dual sense haptics for pc so all right in classic pc fashion the community ended up solving the problem on its own which actually leads me not to our discussion question for this one but to something else entirely that i want to talk about i was uh the reviews of dsx are pretty mixed yeah i've heard that um david said that um plugged in is still the more reliable way to do it but it is in beta so that's why i wasn't going to go at them too hard about that sure so you know make of that what you will the dsx software looks like it's not in beta maybe that features in beta i think so hold on the notes say dsx beta doesn't just enable wireless haptics it also adds bluetooth controller audio support that's i'm going by some of the notes um but yeah i think it was actually david i was chatting with about this and um you know how we've talked about how there's going to be like a great e-wasting coming because it used to be that enterprise hardware could be repurposed for consumers like you know those old like zeon motherboard chip combos that you could buy on like aliexpress and stuff um i had a bit of a i had a bit of a brainstorm slash moment of hope that maybe these proprietary closed systems that exist now instead of that stuff that can be repurposed maybe there's a path to it hear me out for a second one of the challenges to repurposing like xeons and epic processors that are going into servers these days for gaming rigs is that the motherboards use these proprietary form factors that are basically unusable um you know for for for desktop purposes like a lot of them they won't even have pcie slots on the main motherboard because it goes out to like a riser that's like way over off on the other side of the chassis or they're using uh or they're using uh you know pcie over cables to run to or they're using like mezzanine cards or you know whatever like completely not desktop stuff um but it got me kind of thinking where did the boards come from in the first place for those for those like old zeon you know frankenstein machines it was it was from enterprising, usually Chinese companies, with some help from Russian firmware writers, taking the motherboards, hacking chipsets out of them, and then completely remanufacturing them.

2:31:07Luke Lafreniere:So, hold on. Let's keep going again. Another thing that is going to cause this great e-wastening is that many pieces of enterprise hardware are no longer even running x86. They're running like Amazon's graviton arm-based cpus or arms own what do they call them um like their their agi line of cpus but

2:31:37we're watching in real time linux gain not just gaming compatibility but also arm compatibility

2:31:48Luke Lafreniere:at a rapid rate we're watching windows gain arm compatibility although i'm less hopeful about these weird cpus working on windows um what what's the linux project that's still working on uh

2:31:58Linus Sebastian:apple silicon compatibility oh yeah i don't know the name of the top of my head but there is one

2:32:03Luke Lafreniere:i can i'm trying to i'm trying to remember what it is uh asahi asahi linux is still working on porting apple apple silicon i believe they've booted like they've made significant progress it's not like fast or super usable yet but hear me out like that uh i think it's japanese like beer brand hear me out at the point where this boom of purchasing that is going on right now is starting to reach end of life and is is going to be making its way into the wild into the the disposal slash reseller ecosystem right its value will be very low because there won't be really anything to do with it so the kinds of enterprising individuals in you know east asia who did cool things before i see you've actually oh wait no you've got something else entirely going on over there it's cool um we'll get to that in a second um we'll we'll have this this glut of basically discarded hardware over that like five years from now period support for arm and gaming and and linux especially will get way better is there a possibility the gpus are going to be mostly useless for gaming anyway but might be usable for home lab i guess but we've got these like weird

2:33:25Linus Sebastian:you know tower form factors okay so that's what this is about oh this is an envy link to pcie madness basically um that i had i had heard wait sorry these are smx

2:33:40Luke Lafreniere:or sorry sxm excuse me sxm v sxm to to pcie slot is that what i'm looking at here through two cables something i haven't exactly

2:33:53Linus Sebastian:dove into this but i heard about this so they they don't have direct 3d at all from my understanding so they won't this won't be a solution for gaming no but but to be able to use them for home lab or you know uh like maybe it's not going to be that bad running local models or whatever i think we'll be able to do something with this stuff yeah something i'm pretty confident considering this is already happening yeah i'm pretty confident that there's going to be something because i was

2:34:23Luke Lafreniere:feeling really doom and gloom about it like all these cpus are basically going to be garbage but like epic epic's an soc i i think a lot of people don't actually realize that epic doesn't have a motherboard chip set you can add features to it you can add io functions that would normally be handled by by like a motherboard chip set to it but you don't have to the memory controller is right on the chip uh everything you need to operate that chip is right on the chip and so nothing would really prevent you if epic chips were cheap enough if they were worthless enough nothing would really prevent an enterprising individual from creating a motherboard for it kind of like they have that i'm aware of anyway um 3d pro says sxm2 is old i don't see sxm5 to pcie yet no you don't see it yet but what we're talking about is this this ai build out boom

2:35:22Linus Sebastian:that's happening right now the money that will be involved in that will be enormous and there hasn't exactly been a lot of sxm5 hardware that's just like yeah not yet flooding the not yet yeah

2:35:33Luke Lafreniere:because nobody is nobody is decommissioning those systems yet there's no gpu supply yet yet though there will be a time and that stuff from today will still be pretty useful like everything that you can do with an llm today like an enterprise grade one you'll be able to do on this now discarded grade hardware because the frontier models will have moved way past it and if they want to have any hope of monetizing it they're not going to be running five six seven year old gpus so i don't know i i just i had a moment of maybe this isn't going to be great but it's not going

2:36:11Linus Sebastian:to be as bad as i thought yeah and i found i found a couple boards that claim to be sxm5 blah blah blah I don't know if any of this is legit even in the slightest it's on eBay massive question marks everywhere but um when this would be more kind of viable you know I believe pretty strongly in the enterprising abilities of people staring down the barrel of an incredible amount of extremely valuable, currently unusable hardware that they can get their hands on for practically nothing. And if they could adapt it to something, they could sell for tons. There's so much incentive there. I believe someone will figure it out.

2:36:58Yeah.

2:36:59Linus Sebastian:Speaking of incentives. At that point, just use the Frontier models at$20 a month. I feel like you maybe haven't been paying attention to the news, sir. $20 a month

2:37:13Luke Lafreniere:$20 for five minutes of tokens maybe? Especially when your agents are off there spending tokens on your behalf

2:37:20Linus Sebastian:Dude, it's been very interesting looking at the control panels of things like GitHub because the, oh by the way, the tokens cost an incredible amount and also unlimited whatever, blah blah blah all happened while I was away It's okay It's alright not only did we already have a cap on it on the org level so it was all right but also all of the full plane developers were like wow that's scary and just like didn't really use it till i came back so every everyone was cool and also there was a safeguard in place so it was all right uh so both things were true but the the yeah the full plane crews got your back they didn't spend a billion dollars while

2:38:09Luke Lafreniere:you're gone yeah it's nice it's nice to have team members who um look i've always said i've always said it i don't mind spending money i will spend money you guys have seen me spend money i don't like wasting money and uh it's nice to have people who are on board with that like hey and if they need to use it let's talk about that

2:38:34Linus Sebastian:and they've used it a little bit but it's mostly like I find the like inline IDE usage of this stuff to be very different than blah blah blah anyways they have a different form of using it than just like chat botting but there man it is there was a screenshot of someone who did like I think it was like five different prompts and it costed over 50 bucks using some of the like nicer models it's uh we're getting into the find out range of things not not completely everywhere but like and oh man all right the chatter i i feel like this has been like the first time the door really opened to like we're gonna start charging you for stuff you know um but the chatter that's already happening about people starting to run models locally because you know as much as aws has gotten a lot of companies used to just like open bills basically like things can just they'll just cost whatever they cost invoice me daddy as much as as much as aws has gotten people used to that these ai models and the ability for individual employees to spend to just crush your wallet just so easily and in a way that might be genuinely a mistake in a way that might be malicious but they can show in 10 trillion

2:40:06Luke Lafreniere:different ways that it wasn't stupid and useless or just stupid and useless or just um you know

2:40:11Linus Sebastian:just the the huge range of things that could make it cost incredible amounts of money or for things that they're actually ultimately doing personally and you might put a cap but you might put an org wide cap and then that person spends the whole orgs cap or you might do individual user caps but this user might on day one of the month spend their entire budget through a mistake and then do you give them more budget and blah blah blah who knows um but there's been a lot of conversations about like you know what's a fairly fixed or at least measurable because of the energy power

2:40:45Luke Lafreniere:hardware that you own yeah it's almost like hardware that you own was always the better deal if you could afford it up front because renting has always made sense in the context of i can't buy it and you might but why did it become the default you might still want to do that because

2:41:03Linus Sebastian:every once in a while you might want the the incredible potential of a frontier model um but a lot of the time i don't know not really all that necessary you just run it on your own especially if you're just asking it to like you know oh hey i'm working with this new api i've never worked with it before um how would i do this can you find the documentation for this for me and then it's giving you the documentation like if you're learning if you're using it as like a learning accelerator uh one of the people on the team was talking about how they don't they don't like using its output they don't like using it that way but they might use it to help get them to uh you know find that documentation for me then they can learn it themselves or whatever um you don't need some crazy frontier model for that no so whatever just use the cheaper one that

2:41:57Luke Lafreniere:you have locally hey i've got another cool thing mr there's no good news this week with demand for ddr4 platforms rising intel is rumored to be preparing raptor lake next for release in early 2027 the raptor lake next series would exist side by side with nova lake to help meet demand for both ddr4 and ddr5 platforms respectively this speculation comes as many vendors are increasing production of ddr4 motherboards due to the inflated costs of ddr5 that are making lga 1151 and am5 unaffordable this comes on the heels of amd announcing a re-engineered ryzen 7 5800 x 3d anniversary edition with team red expecting ddr5 prices to remain high for at least the next couple of years the good news spin on this one is i don't know if you guys remember this from back when ddr5 launched but ddr5 ain't that much faster than ddr4 for gaming workloads yeah there are places where ddr5 is a big benefit and businesses may ultimately have to spring for expensive ddr5 but every gamer who doesn't need to buy ddr5 might help to to balance the current situation and help keep things overall a little more affordable uh david and i were working on a um a computer yeah that was meant to compete with a different computer recently yeah yeah and uh We actually talked through, hey, DDR4 or DDR5.

2:43:39Luke Lafreniere:And right now, one of the challenges is that while DDR4 is about half the price of DDR5 at sort of a similar tier. So if we were looking at like a 6 ,000 megatransfer DDR5 and like a 3 ,200, you know, kind of lowish latency kit. So I'd say those are kind of our equivalents or so. It's about half the price. And motherboards on the DDR4 side are actually still substantially cheaper. But where you're running into trouble is there aren't great options for like gaming CPUs for DDR4. Even AMD's re-released 5800X3D is pretty darn expensive. Yes. It doesn't match. I was really surprised at how expensive it was.

2:44:17Luke Lafreniere:The I'm buying an old platform so I could save money vibe. Yeah.

2:44:22Linus Sebastian:At all. Like at all. It's a few hundred bucks, isn't it? Yeah. I think it's like 300.

2:44:26Luke Lafreniere:I think it's$329 US, if I recall correctly. Don't quote me on that.

2:44:30Linus Sebastian:The US on that really.

2:44:31Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, so it's like 400 and 450 bucks almost. My God. Something like that, yeah. But throwing more supply onto the pile is always a good thing. More competition is always a good thing.

2:44:47Linus Sebastian:350 USD.

2:44:49Luke Lafreniere:So seeing Intel come back into the game could put pressure on AMD. And again, the more people who are like, okay, I'm going to buy some DDR4 stuff, the less pressure there is on ddr5 and ddr4 is not necessarily using the same cutting edge fabs that ddr5 would you can get decent ddr4 out of chinese vendors like cxmt who actually is also making ddr5 now the the more we can we can use the supply from the various sources that we have it, the better it will be for keeping pricing from spiraling completely even more out of control. So I'm bullish on this. I think it's pretty cool. But hey, what do I know?

2:45:40Luke Lafreniere:I was bullish on the new leadership at Xbox, so... Well, I don't know if I was bullish. I was cautiously willing to watch and see if things went well. And so far it's not looking that great. so you're gonna say

2:45:55Linus Sebastian:speaking of watching and seeing if things went well uh snap specs alive $2 ,200 augmented reality smart glasses announced along with availability and specs the highly wearable I believe they said glasses look uh kind of the opposite of that look at his look at his poor ear bricks on your face look at what happened

2:46:19Luke Lafreniere:to this man's poor ear wow

2:46:24Luke Lafreniere:fascinating you know what though I mean look if you're gonna wear doofy ass smart glasses they might as well look like that might as well embrace them this is like I embrace my freaking bottle bottle glass thick freaking giant rimmed glasses this is me i apologize to no one for anything i i can respect it i wouldn't want to wear them but i can i can respect it

2:47:04Linus Sebastian:hilarious uh sorry you were saying uh is this snap like the app yeah yeah that's i forgot they were doing this yeah i i remember this was announced forever ago but uh anyways uh at At the recent Augmented World Expo, Snap revealed specs of their first fully standalone... Why is this here? Specs. Their first fully standalone AR glasses aimed at regular consumers. The specs will run you$2 ,200 USD and pre-orders are open. Set to ship this fall in the US, UK, and France. Notably, Snap is the first to actually sell standalone true AR glasses, beating Meta, Apple, and Google. you can probably see why if you look at them uh as you can use these to place virtual objects and interfaces into the real world and are fully standalone they are running snap os snaps proprietary platform what a weird world that snapchat is the company doing this but whatever um the specs have as far as specs go two qualcomm snapdragon chips one dedicated to computer vision and spatial awareness and the other one to run the user interface uh an in-house liquid crystal on silicon lcos display uh with an fov of 51 amazing degrees uh 132 grams for the smaller smaller smaller is doing a lot of work in this sentence uh 47 millimeter frame 136 grams for the larger 52 millimeter version auto tinting lenses that change states in about 10 seconds compared to meta ray bands that can take around a minute what that's pretty cool why does it take so long i mean transitions take a little while i don't know much about how they work to be perfectly honest with you yeah but if it's going through that like uh you know when you apply a charge to it.

2:49:04Linus Sebastian:No, it's not that. I wonder what it is. What you can actually do with them. Real-time turn-by-turn navigation, a floating adjustable web browser, live language translation, gesture control, and spatial AI that answers contextual questions about what you're looking at. Snap's demos showed things like car repair help. That's a really fast way to wreck your car. Cooking timers and... That's an expensive cooking timer. Measuring furniture, yeah. I think I have a microwave. It's also a really expensive tape measure. It also might weigh about the same as a tape measure. Wow, fantastic. Thank you.

2:49:48Luke Lafreniere:They declined to reveal the specific chipset, display resolution, brightness, refresh rate, or camera details. Huh. So maybe we'll find out more at some point.

2:50:04Luke Lafreniere:the UK has announced a countrywide ban for social media for people under the age of 16. This is expected to go into effect the spring of 2027 and will include apps such as Snapchat, TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. One of my kids finally asked me if they could install Snapchat.

2:50:22Linus Sebastian:Why is it? Okay. Is Snapchat like popular with the kids again or something?

2:50:26Luke Lafreniere:Okay. And I'm actually, I have not answered. I'm surprised they even still exist. I haven't answered yet. apparently everyone's using it to communicate and uh i'm leaning no i um i feel like it's one of those things that's just like but why though but also you know if all of my friends were on icq and my parents told me i couldn't install icq i'd have been like why are you destroying

2:50:52Linus Sebastian:my social life is snapchat still trying to give you the air of it being you know temporal yeah

2:51:04yep

2:51:05Linus Sebastian:I don't like either of those things

2:51:07Luke Lafreniere:yeah neither of those things are super good things

2:51:09Linus Sebastian:yeah the main reason why I don't like the temporal one is just because you know maybe your kids will know because it's been communicated um but not everyone involved in the various conversations would know do you mean like impermanent

2:51:26Luke Lafreniere:yeah yeah okay

2:51:28Linus Sebastian:um it's like oh man and then ah kids are dumb so like even if your kid knows that it would disappear there you go um they might trust their friend to not take a screenshot or they might trust the snapchat software to tell them if a screenshot was taken which is also not a thing yep um

2:52:03Luke Lafreniere:i don't know i'm kind of tempted to have a talk with them that basically goes there's always going to be another fad um like just open up my my social tab and basically go like here's here's all of the apps that i have for people to message each other in um i want you to point at how many you think i have any kind of valuable conversations i think i think i did mean temporal by the way is i thought it just means uh pertaining to time or lasting a limited period of time rather than being eternal yeah does that work yeah i think so okay i wasn't sure it worked in that context. Okay. I've usually used it as pertaining to time as opposed to temporary.

2:52:51Luke Lafreniere:Ephemeral is definitely one that works, Knight of Never in float plane chat says. I don't know. Either way. Yeah, either way. I think we all understood

2:52:59Linus Sebastian:what we're talking about at this point. Basically, if you haven't used Snapchat and I haven't used it in probably a decade or more, you can send like a picture and that picture won't always exist. I don't know what the terms are. I don't know if you can open it once and it goes away.

2:53:13Luke Lafreniere:Self-destructing is another great term for that.

2:53:15Linus Sebastian:Sure. Or if it lasts for like a day or something like that. But there's in some way, you won't be able to naturally access it through the app anymore. And it has a thing where if you take a screenshot of it, it tells the person that you received the message from that you took a screenshot of it. But there are other ways to capture your screen, including just like another phone or a webcam or something else that can take a picture.

2:53:40Luke Lafreniere:so yeah part of the temptation i think here is going to be to like basically go yeah how many of these do you think are are are used for meaningful connections you know like there's always going to be another another thing um

2:54:01Luke Lafreniere:what is this offering that is not addressed by you know current um you know current solutions do you feel this is very important why you know see if we can maybe just kind of

2:54:16Linus Sebastian:talk through it it's tough too though because like if that is the way that all of their friends communicate none of those arguments are gonna matter to their friends um which is tough no but

2:54:29Luke Lafreniere:i mean i don't know and maybe this is a maybe this is a lot to ask of a youngling but you know

2:54:39Linus Sebastian:from my point of view um should have the conversation at least if someone won't talk to me

2:54:46Luke Lafreniere:if i'm not on their preferred messaging platform um then i don't really think that that was probably a very deep connection um but i can also see that the other way right if they're sitting there going well if they won't talk to me on my preferred messaging platform then maybe they don't care that much um i'm just i'm having a hard time understanding the the necessariness of something like a snapchat or something like an instagram and maybe this is just me going full boomer here and i see a lot of y 'all you also have to be the really annoying person that doesn't use the thing that everyone else uses though it's not a great place to be yeah socially yeah i get that

2:55:38Linus Sebastian:and it helps that they can blame you yeah it does genuinely oh definitely yeah sorry my stupid dad don't let me have it yeah and whether or not they actually like believe that that is that is a helpful yeah helpful line yep sorry it's i just uh phlegmier over time i just i can't

2:55:58Luke Lafreniere:um and this is something that i that i have honestly struggled with basically my entire time using computers to communicate? Why the actual f*** do we need so many apps for this? Like Trillian seemed like magic. I was like, oh, well, this just solves it forever. Now I never have to think about it again. And then Trillian died. Except I think it actually still exists or something, but it's not really useful anymore because you can't use it to communicate with people across Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp and Instagram DMs and Twitter DMs and like, oh my god, YouTube's gonna have DMs now. Like, what are we even doing?

2:56:40Luke Lafreniere:What is going on here?

2:56:42Linus Sebastian:I just googled trillion. And it was like, did you mean trillion the number? I was like, oh boy. It still exists.

2:56:52Luke Lafreniere:But is it business? Yeah, for people, business, and healthcare. I wonder if you can link like teams into it or something. Cerulean Studios. I think this has come up on the show before. I think it has. Hilarious.

2:57:08i just i can't um yeah it it sucks that um

2:57:15Linus Sebastian:i don't know twitter became a a platform of politics because as much as i never liked it at any stage it was the place that like all of the creator people were so you could always find a link that way yeah and then facebook was the place that all your like family high school and

2:57:38Luke Lafreniere:that cohort was that yeah and then between those two you could kind of like you kind of plug your

2:57:44Linus Sebastian:nose and just yeah just have them on your phone you could find people and one of the problems is discord is where a lot of people seem to be migrating at least you know at my age so they're

2:57:55Luke Lafreniere:moving on from Discord, just so you know. Like the kids? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, Boomer, Discord.

2:58:02Linus Sebastian:I'm not too surprised. That was only going to last so long.

2:58:05Luke Lafreniere:That's the thing about trends.

2:58:08Linus Sebastian:They're... They come and go. Temporal. It's not a very deep cut, but it's a cut. But the problem with Discord was the discoverability was crap. Oh, yeah. How do you find anybody? I mean, it's like by design. Yeah. Streamer mode, streamer mode, lock it down. Which in a way was actually really great.

2:58:26Luke Lafreniere:It was really great.

2:58:27Linus Sebastian:But with Discord becoming so divisive, sorry, with Twitter becoming so divisive, then it's like, oh, Clay, I got to find this person. They're not on Twitter anymore. I see they said I'm gone now. Are they on Mastodon? Did they go to Blue Sky? That's where their thing said they went. But that account looks like it's abandoned too. And then are they on threads? Are they on Mastodon? Are they on whatever the heck? How do I find this person?

2:58:51Luke Lafreniere:Are they on Snapchat? can I send them my dick

2:58:56Linus Sebastian:they won't screenshot it right they told me they wouldn't nobody would lie nobody would use an external camera to take a photo of it because Snapchat can't detect that no one would ever do that

2:59:08Luke Lafreniere:no one would have a rooted device yeah

2:59:13Linus Sebastian:nobody's ever tried to do something bad with information they received in the form of a photo or a text message when they're in high school

2:59:20Luke Lafreniere:LMG underscore channel and floatplane chat says threads is the new dating app. Really?

2:59:27Linus Sebastian:That's weird.

2:59:28Luke Lafreniere:Stop.

2:59:35Linus Sebastian:That's strange. I don't even know what to think about that. That's just strange. So you shop for used stuff on Facebook Marketplace and you shop for used people on threads?

2:59:48Luke Lafreniere:With the rollout of dating threads, I'm starting to wonder what direction the app is going. I mean, Facebook figured out that by running Marketplace for absolutely for freaking free, they could figure out everything that you were interested in getting rid of or buying dating threads i mean what more could meta possibly know about you this what are dating threads i have no idea i'm running into i'm running into a ton of profiles that feel like classic dating app bios overly curated no real post history and here's the sketchy part most of them aren't linked to a real Instagram account. Yeah, that's sketchy.

3:00:33Luke Lafreniere:Some are connected to what looks like fake Instagram accounts that were clearly made to pass the verification check. Okay, that's sketchy. Also, some very popular...

3:00:41Linus Sebastian:Maybe they just don't have Instagram.

3:00:42Luke Lafreniere:No, I think you have to have it. Also, some very popular threads...

3:00:45Linus Sebastian:No, but maybe they didn't have it before, so they just made Instagram to be able to get threads.

3:00:48Luke Lafreniere:Also, some very popular threads accounts with thousands of followers are linked to Instagram accounts that only have a few hundred followers. Like, isn't the whole point that it's tied to Instagram. Why are these profiles even existing? Is dating threads an unofficial trend? Okay, and garbage. Okay, well, at least one person noticed a thing. Huh. Weird. Sure. Alright.

3:01:13Linus Sebastian:I don't... I have no idea. I think we're not the right people to talk about this. Yeah, dude.

3:01:22Luke Lafreniere:I've been married for longer than I existed as an unmarried individual yeah i this i remembered a fun thing no that's not right yet actually but i've been with the person i married for longer than i have existed as an unmarried individual that makes sense i think i've been playing minecraft for longer than i haven't been playing Minecraft okay one of those things um

3:01:52oh boy

3:01:55Linus Sebastian:oh man oh man

3:02:01Luke Lafreniere:are there women in Minecraft like is that no no okay I think it's just sad I see

3:02:10Linus Sebastian:I was more of a supposed to be like a reality hit Yeah Just how long Minecraft has been out? Oh yeah Do you still actively play Minecraft? No Okay Okay

3:02:21Luke Lafreniere:I'm not that single Well, it kind of seemed like that's where you were going I thought that was your point No, no, no, no Okay Linus was thinking about marriage versus not marriage Yeah Same sort of thing It's interesting still that you went there with it, but I'm distracted when the WAN show is happening yeah that's fair anyway we weren't actually done with this topic hold on

3:02:46Linus Sebastian:one of my favorite things because just to go back to like there is no security in communications when you're in high school thing a fun one that was going around my school was that you would send you would tell someone a secret on MSN messenger but you would use like wingdings or whatever and none of the dudes figured this out for a super long time but the girls knew that you could paste the wingdings into like word and then just change the font and it was it would actually say what it said um so there was a bunch of dudes my school telling secrets to girls and all the girls knew what all the secrets were and it was i just thought it was hilarious i was like that was very funny i don't actually remember that feature of msn msn

3:03:33Luke Lafreniere:had so many cool features if they just seriously i've said this before i'll say it again if they just brought back msn messenger in its in its like when they eoled it form today people would use the out of it they would they would show up in droves it was so cool and the funny thing is like lo-fi like digital cameras and stuff like that era is so hot right now like you could even you could even have the low quality video calling of original MSN. You could literally change nothing but update the security. I bet a handful of Microsoft engineers could vibe code the freaking upgrade. Like seriously, just bring it back.

3:04:17Luke Lafreniere:It will be successful. You're welcome. I'd use it.

3:04:21Linus Sebastian:I would definitely be interested.

3:04:23Luke Lafreniere:MSN Messenger was goaded. It was so good. The nudge was peak. Okay. There are some features that I mean, maybe that's how they monetize it. They monetize disabling people from nudging you.

3:04:42Luke Lafreniere:Jereman says, what are you even talking about? Microsoft had a messaging app that was just plain better than anything that we have now. It was actually awesome. No distraction. Ah, so good.

3:04:56Linus Sebastian:I still to this day will screw up and want to send someone a thumbs up emoji and do bracket Y bracket and then send it and then I sent someone I don't know maybe that converts into some emoji now or I just send them bracket Y bracket and it's just it doesn't mean anything yeah

3:05:22Luke Lafreniere:this is amazing i'm not going to show this but um my son wore the tie from my wedding for an event tonight and looks like an absolute baller epic he does uh okay i'm actually looking for something here though i'm in my chat with yvonne um

3:05:40Linus Sebastian:bracket white bracket still works in his emoji and lots of stuff a lot of the stuff I've used it in it does not but that is good to hear why

3:05:54Linus Sebastian:oh that's good I like that what's bracket why bracket it's supposed to be this

3:06:05Linus Sebastian:isn't that boobs no you put a space on each side of the y for that come on now

3:06:14Luke Lafreniere:this is this is really annoying why is this not working uh okay do your thing for a little bit wait we haven't finished that topic yet um oh this is so obnoxious um

3:06:35well

3:06:39Luke Lafreniere:whatever Yvonne and I still use bracket L bracket but it just doesn't convert to anything we just you just understand we just use it yeah and so I'm trying to find it but what's funny is if you search for that in WhatsApp it actually finds every instance of the word love huh yeah that's That's weird, actually.

3:07:03Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

3:07:03Luke Lafreniere:I mean, that's what it meant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's fascinating that it's converting that. Why would it do that? I even put, you saw, I put quotes around it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's also picking up words like left, looking, like, but mostly the word, it's finding, oh, no, is it finding any word that starts with an L? Is it finding capital L?

3:07:29Linus Sebastian:Any word that finds it capital L?

3:07:30Luke Lafreniere:No, I think it's any word that starts with an L. Why is it doing that? Interesting. I'm trying to find something specific, you freaking stupid thing. Man, everybody's posting little ASCII emotes.

3:07:45Linus Sebastian:It makes me happy.

3:07:47Luke Lafreniere:Oh, that's awesome. Remember when you could make custom ones? I still have saved on my NAS. the one of the little smiley face with the arms creeping up behind the other one and then like giving it a hug it's like the cutest thing ever

3:08:07Linus Sebastian:those were so cool Kirby dance used to be one of my favorite ones I'm posting in a full point chat now oh my god there's an among us an among us

3:08:24Luke Lafreniere:um Well, I am not going to be. It turns out that I actually text with my wife a lot. Wow. So going through this is going to take too long. All right. Anyway. Yeah, so we definitely unironically still use that. We know what's up. Okay, anyway, we weren't done that topic. They'll also, the UK government will also be looking in more detail at overnight curfews and breaks in infinite scrolling for under 18 year olds for social media.

3:09:03Linus Sebastian:That one's nice.

3:09:04Luke Lafreniere:And they'll set out more details on this in July. They also want to address so-called AI romantic companion chatbots. Nice. Nice. And will hopefully enforce a minimum age of 18 for those.

3:09:16Linus Sebastian:Those are a problem.

3:09:17Luke Lafreniere:According to a national survey with more than 116 ,000 responses earlier this year, more than 83 % of parents said the risks of social media outweigh the benefits and 90 % expressed support for a minimum age of 16. And the kids will get around it. And they will, but also a lot of them won't. It'll be less convenient. Or maybe it won't. But at least we're starting the conversation at the very least. I think that is something that is worth doing at this point.

3:09:57This is so obnoxious.

3:09:59Linus Sebastian:I can't believe Snapchat's getting popular again. I can't believe Snapchat's still around. I can't believe they're making AR glasses.

3:10:06Luke Lafreniere:The whole, yeah. I thought that was like an unrelated company and they're like, they're actually the Snapchat. It's like, okay, what? Okay, I found it. As recently as in April, yeah yeah there it is bracket l bracket that's awesome freaking ridiculous who used to talk on msn yeah oh dude we msn'd hardcore was crazy um all right why don't we what else we got oh this

3:10:38Linus Sebastian:one's cool you want to talk through this one amd brings i yeah i collapsed it but amd brings advanced shader delivery across all rdna gpus this is actually pretty exciting cutting game load times down by up to 95 percent damn amd and microsoft are rolling out advanced shader delivery in the xbox pc ecosystem designed to tackle shader compilation stutter and long first load times in games i wouldn't even just say first load to be honest it's all the freaking time so often that

3:11:13Luke Lafreniere:computer building video to compare to a different computer that David and I were doing was so frustrating. We ended up waiting around for shader compilation I kid you not, four times on

3:11:22Linus Sebastian:set today. It's very annoying. This is genuinely really cool. Honestly, first load, I think you could just kick that out of there. But anyways, instead of compiling shaders on the user's PC during gameplay, shaders are pre-built and delivered ahead of time. So games can load faster and run smoother right from launch. Yeah, you just download it. yeah how big is it i didn't think that was possible uh i think it's not that bad weird

3:11:45Luke Lafreniere:because intel was talking to me about this they're doing it too on um the new arc handhelds huh yeah interesting but how yeah i'd love to know more me too yeah um an amd tweet said that

3:11:59Linus Sebastian:the asd reduces shader stutter and load times uh by up to 95 the feature is expanding in preview and is now being supported more broadly across AMD RDNA GPUs via new drivers. However, the functionality currently only supports games played through the Xbox app. TechSpot's article on the subject says, support for NVIDIA RTX hardware arrives later this year, and Intel has been also pledged to implement the feature. Hopefully they keep releasing graphics cards. um yeah what's the worst load time you can remember experiencing oh dude halo infinite

3:12:39Luke Lafreniere:getting that game going with a group was brutal because i swear every time there was some stupid update there would be a stupid like eternity of pre-compiling shaders it was brutal

3:12:53Linus Sebastian:uh i mean we had we had net nanny and dial up combined but terrible combination uh and i would try to load runescape i've told this story on wanshow before but it was literally so long i would load runescape go downstairs make a sandwich and like some peach juice i used to love peach juice um consume all of it go upstairs and it still usually wasn't done loading and it was actually loading and would eventually actually load so i'm talking double digit minutes my favorite one though is Morrowind of course because Morrowind would completely reboot your Xbox during some of the load screens it was honestly there was a lot of tech for Morrowind that was fascinating like placing data on different parts of the disc for load time optimizations and stuff and yeah apparently it would like sneakily restart your Xbox um crazy some of this howard explained had to do with the folks at xbox tipping bethesda off about a few quirks of the hardware uh great tricks they taught us favorite one is if you're running low on memory you can reboot the original xbox and the user can't tell you can throw a screen up um like when morwin's loading you get a super long load that's us rebooting the xbox that was the hail mary and yeah it was kind of a known thing for morwin players of every once in a while you just get smashed with this like insane load screen and the the thing was like you know don't turn the xbox off or whatever it is working but nobody like i didn't know this was it rebooting until many years

3:14:32Luke Lafreniere:after i played that i mean i've seen it many times where the last frame that was sitting in like the output buffer or whatever is just like still there even when it's not updating to new frames but I guess I guess that was that was a feature not a bug crazy eh huh so that's that's

3:14:53Linus Sebastian:my favorite one that isn't the longest one but it man some of those load times were really long and it makes sense now that the whole freaking system is rebooting and then it's loading what you needed yeah crazy i loved man i really really used to enjoy watching some like um making of things i don't remember if it was more window or oblivion or something but i remember there was a making of of one of those that was just really awesome to watch uh some of the making of of i don't i think it was probably halo 2 um but the the making of extras of either halo 1 or halo 2 was just incredible uh that's where i learned how they would just they would like intentionally make the the like geography of the map that you're on in a way that it would block what you're about to see next because it would load the enemies like right before you got there and it would unload stuff behind you and like all this how they managed again just dealing with the memory of these consoles really isn't that what i'm describing i think it was like two rocks no

3:16:03Luke Lafreniere:like all of the geometry and everything was just two models that they rotated around and scaled

3:16:09Linus Sebastian:oh is that i thought that was mario mario did that with clouds clouds yeah clouds and grass i know

3:16:14Luke Lafreniere:halo it might have been the first one did something very similar

3:16:19Linus Sebastian:yeah I wouldn't be surprised yeah oh yeah no what you're saying it's not all the geometry it's all of the rocks are basically two rocks yeah mountains and stuff like that they're like stuck in the ground so you can't see most of it and they'll rotate it around and stuff yeah I think that's Halo it's just a teeny tiny one yeah I think that's Halo 1 it's just scaled differently oh yeah Halo 1 I'm pretty sure that was Halo 1 Halo 1 rocks let's see might even be one i don't i don't remember that was a while ago

3:16:50Luke Lafreniere:i don't remember there's some really good ones about um there's a good like mini doc on youtube about racing the beam if you're talking about mario because all of the game logic has to happen before the beam starts because like you only have so much time to manipulate it as it's going down the screen every 50 or 60 seconds, right?

3:17:14Linus Sebastian:That's kind of funny. Oh, it's Halo 3? No way, not Halo 3. I thought it was Halo 1. Oh, racing the beam. God, Nokia's fast. What the hell? The Nokia's wicked fast.

3:17:26Luke Lafreniere:That's insane. No, that's a great video if you want to, if you have any interest in like... All right, we've got a couple of quick ones.

3:17:36Linus Sebastian:Halo 3 player discovers every single rock in one of the game's most memorable levels is the same rock. It's just rotated, scaled, and moved around. That kind of stuff is wicked, man. I love that stuff. Anyways.

3:17:54Luke Lafreniere:Are there pictures of this?

3:17:58Linus Sebastian:Pretty boring pictures of all the same rock. Yeah, but I want to see how they use them and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just making a joke. Let me see if I can.

3:18:07Luke Lafreniere:So here it is. So every one of these rocks is the same rock? Just rotated and scaled and turned around. That's hilarious. I would never know that. Yep. And you know,

3:18:24Linus Sebastian:maybe a different amount of it is jutting out of the ground?

3:18:27Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

3:18:28Linus Sebastian:Yep.

3:18:29Luke Lafreniere:And you only have to load one rock? Yeah.

3:18:32Linus Sebastian:Pretty awesome.

3:18:32Luke Lafreniere:And you just instance it? With size and rotation and you're done.

3:18:38Linus Sebastian:So cool. Amazing. Love stuff like that. Like when I learned that thing with Super Mario Bros and the clouds and the grass are the same. It's just recolored. Fantastic.

3:18:48Luke Lafreniere:There's also a really good mini doc about the Sega logo, I think, on the original Sonic. Because the console couldn't produce that type of screen update resolution. So what it's actually is it's like four videos playing simultaneously. And then what they do is they break it into different scan lines and different colors. And then they swap the color buffer because it can only display so many colors, which gives you like quadruple the frame rate. So your animations can be even smoother because it couldn't physically process that amount of information that fast. What the hell?

3:19:24Linus Sebastian:It's like, you're like, it's nuts. It's so cool. I love stuff like that.

3:19:28Luke Lafreniere:all right i got a couple quick ones here uh researchers at uc san diego backed by google have figured out how to turn retired smartphones into low-cost data center hardware the pitch rests on a surprising fact a phone from three years ago still delivers higher single core performance in spec benchmarks than server cpus like dual amd epics that are found in real data centers the servers crush the phones on total throughput but in terms of per core the mobile chips actually hold their own the process strips each phone down to just the motherboard so your display batteries cameras chassis all come off um and android gets replaced with a standard data center linux distro the boards get networked into self-managing clusters of 25 to 50 units running kubernetes of course roughly 25 to 50 phones match the compute of a single dual socket server cpu and a 20 phone cluster can already serve an app for a class of 75 plus students google frames this around embodied carbon the motherboard alone accounts for about 50 percent of a phone's manufacturing emissions and people replace phones roughly every four years with With Google's support, UCSD plans to scale up to 2 ,000 phones in a data center launching fall 2026 that could support 100 classes at once, all on hardware that would otherwise be e-waste.

3:20:56Luke Lafreniere:Dude, that's awesome. It's super cool. I don't know how scalable it is, but it's really cool. 2 ,000 phones. It's not even that many phones, actually, in terms of the sheer volume of phones that exist that people are just not using and don't care about anymore.

3:21:12Linus Sebastian:Look at the Neo. You can do incredible things with phone processors. 100%. I was talking to Wendell about space stuff, and we were talking about the Mercury era.

3:21:28Luke Lafreniere:Were you talking about data centers in space? No.

3:21:32Linus Sebastian:We were talking about the Mercury era missions, and he was mentioning offhand. I haven't verified this or anything, but it's Wendell. But he was mentioning offhand about the transistors in your phone. now amounts to a higher number than all of the transistors in the world at that time. And I was like, damn. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Yeah, brain too small, think too much further than that, but that's pretty cool.

3:22:03Luke Lafreniere:Illinois looks like they might become the first state to ban drivers from wearing smart glasses. This is just pending Governor JB Pritzker's signature, meaning it could become law in the coming weeks if he signs it. The bill's supporters say the glasses can display information, messages, or other content directly in a driver's field of view, making them a new form of distracted driving as these devices become more popular. Critics argue that the bill is a blunt instrument and that not all smart glasses are equally distracting, and enforcement could give police broad discretion to stop or question drivers based on their eyewear.

3:22:36Luke Lafreniere:That's about all I have to say about that. probably seems like a good thing to avoid video screens in people's eyeball holes while they're driving. It's always something that blows me away when I visit Taiwan or other countries where you appear to be simply allowed to watch video on your dashboard while you are driving. Pretty much, I'd say a solid half of the Uber drivers that I get in Taipei are just like watching dramas or like music videos.

3:23:02Linus Sebastian:Dude, I was getting an Uber because I need to get I tend to really try to take transit when I'm in Taipei for a variety of reasons, to be honest. It's also just super cheap, but I get car sick really easily. And I was getting an Uber, and we were counting the amount of, like, I don't know what you want to call them, false starts. And this is not unique to Taiwan, I would say, but this was a particularly rough situation, where they would, like, step on the gas fairly seriously and then brake before going. once a once a light went green there was at one light it was 26 it was a it was like a 15 minute ride or something like that i was i could taste both a mixture of stomach acid and metal in my mouth by the time we got i guarantee you that's

3:23:53Luke Lafreniere:not as bad as what i tasted earlier in the show but it's not a competition

3:23:58Linus Sebastian:but like oh my god if yeah if i can if i can not yeah i'll usually not i'll walk or take transit

3:24:06Luke Lafreniere:or something i uh actually uh tweeted earlier this week and i got a surprising number of just like brain dead responses on this i was like hey there's already an accelerometer in both of the phones in the car how about you just use it uber and then you can just like tell drivers to chill the f*** out with their whole like lead foot brake, lead foot brake, lead foot brake. It's just so bad. And the funny thing is like you can, you can report issues. Like when you leave a three star review, I think anything three star and below, it automatically prompts you for like why. And for whatever reason, like excessive acceleration and braking is not one of them.

3:24:47Luke Lafreniere:Like you can flag, if I recall correctly, it's like dangerously, it's like dangerous driving you can but it's not always dangerous sometimes you're just cruising down the freeway there's nobody around and they're just like oh my god the gas pedal is not a toggle switch you could just make a fine adjustment and it's like oh you should just talk to the driver it's like i shouldn't i shouldn't have to it literally shouldn't be necessary with what is supposed to be a replacement for you know professional drivers in taxis or whatever it just seems like a very obvious thing for them to just address because it's such a meme like everybody knows yeah yeah uber drivers like especially like teslas when they have the regen braking on maximum so they're like one pedal driving and they have no idea how to have that pedal be anything other than all the way down or all the way up.

3:25:48Linus Sebastian:Ugh! Yeah, it's rough.

3:25:52Luke Lafreniere:Okay, did we finish that topic? Uh, oh, yeah, I mean, I guess so. Did we? Yeah, I want to talk about, oh, wait, no.

3:25:59Linus Sebastian:Well, I mean, I think it's worth mentioning that I think this is going to be completely insane. You were doing that, it was like Illinois or whatever with the you can't wear smart glasses. Oh, yeah. I mean, I support the idea that you can't wear smart glasses while driving, but like, what the hell? you can barely even tell the current generation ray-bans versus normal ray-bans how the heck are they supposed to figure that out i mean i don't know and they're only going to get stealthier as time goes on yeah and i think there was like one of the discussion questions on her so i don't know where the topic is right now but i think one of the discussion questions was like is this gonna just give them an excuse to pull anyone over at any time if they're wearing glasses it's kind of

3:26:40Luke Lafreniere:Like, yeah, probably, to be honest. And like, cops simply already cannot be expected to recognize everything that someone's not allowed to have or every stupid law. Totally.

3:26:52Linus Sebastian:So, I mean, I support the idea that you shouldn't be able to wear them while driving, but like, man, I don't know how the heck you enforce that. Unless it's just one of the, an additional thing to throw at you when they're trying to throw the book at you.

3:27:03Luke Lafreniere:And Agent Renzo reminds us, we talked about this last week, but prescription smart glasses. Like, what are you going to tell them? dude it's such a tough take off your prescription glasses and get back behind the wheel that's crazy that is crazy we briefly touched on this for the first time chat GPT has less than half of the AI assistant market I don't think we have to get into a ton of depth on this but Claude is growing like bananas Gemini is growing pretty good but Claude is most of the

3:27:36Linus Sebastian:development minded people I know are using Claude right now. Claude very strong.

3:27:41Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff in here. I'm so sorry to the writer who prepared all these notes, but I think we have to move on to After Dark. Dan, Mr. Besser, hit us. Oh, I got buttons to push first. Okay. He pushed the buttons. I hear him pushing buttons. I don't see it doing anything. I push at the buttons. That one. Nice. Ta-da. Okay, cool. You have to do the Valley Girl. Hello, LLD. For Linus, are there any plans to bring back... That's a really bad Valley Girl. You're going to have to do better than that.

3:28:20Luke Lafreniere:Can't even remember what it is. Linus, can you give me a hand here? Yeah, sure. He's pretty good at it. Like, hello, LLD. Thank you, thank you. For, like, Linus, are there any plans to, like... Bring back the Waffle Longsleeve. It's my favorite Longsleeve, but I only got one before they were gone. Okay, yeah, you did that whole second sentence without a single like. Oh, I keep forgetting to add the like. It's like my favorite long sleeve, but like... Thank you, Director Linus. I'm not answering the question until you do the second line properly. It's like my favorite long sleeve, but like I only got like one before they were gone.

3:28:59Luke Lafreniere:I would have had a fifth like before they were like gone. Yeah, but that's really good. That's pretty good. Before they were like gone. I'm working on it. I'm working on it. I don't think we have a ton of plans for Waffle Long Sleeve. My uncle really likes it too. I don't think that we're going to be bringing it back anytime soon. I am so sorry. Do I have Alley Girl less? I can't tell. Interesting. I think so. I wonder why I stopped. I don't know. Talking about this reminded me that I used to get a lot of comments on WAN Show about why the fuck does he talk like that he sounds like a freaking valley girl and i just noticed as i was talking to dan i didn't i didn't drop any likes i don't think do do i do i still do it a bunch i mr omutt says it's been much less i haven't really noticed interesting i didn't think

3:29:54Linus Sebastian:about it at all i'd never thought about it till this conversation but my answer was immediately and i think it's i think it's less agent renzo says i think you realized the uselessness of the

3:30:05Luke Lafreniere:word like i don't think i did i i mean i i do pick up on the speech patterns of people around me and i you know like anyone um i'm always changing you know like i don't know i just i didn't think about it you thought about that now that i think about it, I like immediately immediately want to do it.

3:30:35Linus Sebastian:Watch it be fully fledged back. Is it back now? Have I relapsed? Am I off the wagon? No, because you didn't say, is it like back now? So I think you're like so

3:30:45Luke Lafreniere:back.

3:30:46Linus Sebastian:That's crazy.

3:30:49Luke Lafreniere:That's like crazy. I'm going to have to not think about it. Look at her butt.

3:30:58Luke Lafreniere:She must be like one of those rap guys girlfriends.

3:31:04Luke Lafreniere:I brought those apple boxes out. I was singing apple boxes jeans. Nice. They're here. That's what he's talking about. Yeah. Boxes with the fur. Everybody was resting on her.

3:31:21Luke Lafreniere:Did you answer the question about that? Yeah, I did. Okay.

3:31:27Luke Lafreniere:Do I have to? I don't. Yeah, I mean, we're not answering any comments. Hello, DLL. Question for Luke. Have you, like, heard of the lantern of the Laughless Saint? Stated as the, like, spiritual successor to, like, Morrowind and junk. The trailer's amazing and starts by saying, Beep you, Todd Howard, whatever that could mean. Like, come on.

3:31:54Linus Sebastian:That was pretty good. That's pretty solid. That's pretty good.

3:31:56Luke Lafreniere:He's improving.

3:31:57Linus Sebastian:yes I have heard of it I think I think the whole internet came together in its algorithmic excellency and was like this guy um because I don't think I've received ads for almost anything else as much as I've received ads for this um and I'm following it on steam

3:32:16Luke Lafreniere:okay what is that well it's how many times you said like like a valley girl oh I was gonna see if you did it more I was just gonna keep trying I do it a little bit yeah I know yeah oh you've always been a little valley girl yeah yeah howdy l ldl finally remember to use my uh like uh coin law switch to cashy during the uh like linux challenge and it's been fun oh my god any like workarounds or discoveries or like happy little accidents you know like you uh like you found that you didn't make it into the, you know, videos?

3:32:55Linus Sebastian:What is it? It's not Valley Girl. No, it's evolving. It's evolving. Yeah. It's like Valley Girl mixed with, like, 90s dork.

3:33:04Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Well, this one felt dorky.

3:33:07Linus Sebastian:I'm trying to embody the character of the person.

3:33:11Luke Lafreniere:You've got to remember, everything is a question. Okay. Howdy LDL? Finally, like, remember to use my coin. No, that was wrong. but howdy ldl like you gotta you have to have the the up the up tone at the end yeah it's been fun and then you're also the like yeah any workarounds or discoveries or happy accidents you found that didn't make it in videos yeah okay okay do you want to get there any happy accidents we'll get there uh i haven't tried cashew yet during the linux challenge and it's been fun any workarounds

3:33:44Linus Sebastian:discoveries happy accidents you found that didn't make it in videos he did read that to you it was just impossible to understand with all the extra filler words i'm also i'm just thinking i feel like um that doesn't count i feel like it was mostly mentioned because wan show counts as a video and i count it i talked about a lot of it on wan as we were going along um

3:34:13Luke Lafreniere:hmm that would be an interesting wan show hooking up electrodes to us so that every time we say um, like, or just any bull spit I might appreciate that. I want to use them less.

3:34:32Luke Lafreniere:Would we end up saying nothing?

3:34:38Linus Sebastian:We're both just paralyzed.

3:34:45Linus Sebastian:That's rough. Okay.

3:34:49Luke Lafreniere:No! No, hear me out serves a purpose, W. Calderini.

3:34:55Linus Sebastian:I don't think so. Hear me out? No, I don't think I didn't mention anything. I think I mentioned a lot of stuff on WAN that didn't necessarily end up in the primary videos. Damn it. Workgrounds and stuff, though. Yeah, I don't really think so. I haven't dabbled much with playing games that aren't on Steam yet. I suspect that's going to be a hurdle. It's about time I do my every three months check-in with Assassin's Creed Odyssey. Damn it. Yeah, just say it. And there's no value. It takes practice to fill it with silence. I really want to do that. You just practice it. It does take practice. I was thinking about this months ago, not that recently, but just that I think it would be better if I didn't.

3:35:50Luke Lafreniere:It's also, believe it or not, counterintuitively, part of communication to use filler words, though. Because you're communicating that you're still talking. I do find that people tend to interrupt me when I'm working on that. Presentations and stuff, though, it's really good to have it as a practice. Yeah, if I could be able to flip a switch. Turn it off and on, yeah. Yeah, it's kind of similar to what I was able to do when I was in high school. So the second I joined the shop class, so I think that was in grade 11, I went from being the guy who people would go, if I said ass or damn, to just cussing like a sailor.

3:36:37Luke Lafreniere:Wow, that makes a lot of sense. but i still had i still had young siblings at home and at that time dude i i could turn it on and off like fully i don't think my parents ever realized that i said a swear word and in shop class i don't think people knew that i knew other words yeah like it was yeah i i find

3:37:07Linus Sebastian:interesting it's harder now i seem to be able to do that quite effectively on like a location basis sort of you slip up a fair bit on when oh not on when no that's what i'm saying no but like um no i i can't i suck outside of this context yeah i screwed up all the time i know and it's like really frustrating and kind of embarrassing but for some reason on when it's like perfect

3:37:31Luke Lafreniere:actually come to think of it i'm pretty good at it i i don't think my kids have almost ever heard

3:37:35Linus Sebastian:me swear like why can't i like what what i don't know but you're kind of embarrassing in public

3:37:42Luke Lafreniere:sometimes because i've been working you're very loud yeah if you weren't so loud then the potty mouth wouldn't be so much of a problem i've been working but i'll be like luke there's like a lot of kids here yeah there was sometimes i don't actually i usually don't say anything because there's not much point but but there have been times that i'm just sitting there going okay yeah

3:38:08Linus Sebastian:i i often forget how far away i can be heard from uh-huh yeah very far away yeah yeah yeah i had someone point out the other day that like we were talking about something that wasn't super public and they were like we got to talk quieter and i was already whispering and we had to talk quieter because someone was across the building and i was like oh damn i have wondered before like if our sound booths even contain it i'm not sure they don't contain it part of the problem is the

3:38:38Luke Lafreniere:frequency yeah because lower frequencies are tougher to block so it's easier for me to have a private conversation than it is for you very fun very cool

3:38:57Last one there.

3:38:59Luke Lafreniere:Sorry, I was responding to another one. Appreciate you guys being late. Allow me to second screen watch from like Australia with everything you've learned during Linux recently. Would you consider like a Linux tips or like a Nix tips series? No, I think it's already covered really well. I don't really see what additional value we'd bring at this point in time.

3:39:27Linus Sebastian:I think one of the biggest benefits we could bring is just making it more normal. Covering it more on the main channels. Absolutely. And if it just happens to be in videos. Like you were talking about how your choice for Odysseus was Fedora, I think you said.

3:39:43Luke Lafreniere:Using Fedora Workstation.

3:39:45Linus Sebastian:Yeah. So that makes sense. And if we did end up making a video about that, if Fedora was just the thing that you used, it's not like this huge deal it's just the thing that you used i think honestly that's the most that we could bring that is a lot i'm not trying to diminish it but like trying to help normalize it is i think something that the linus actives channel could accomplish that's what we do for

3:40:09Luke Lafreniere:the longest time that's been our whole thing we don't go the deepest into anything but what we do is we strive to put at least a few things in every video that someone can learn. And then we try to light fires. Like Luke said, we try to just like go around throwing matches on the, be like, man, like it was your channel that inspired me to get into this. And that's always my favorite thing to hear is that one of those matches ended up turning into a forest fire. Okay, not a great metaphor, but I think you guys get the point. We don't want forest fires in a literal sense. We want them in an imagination and inspiration sense.

3:40:53Linus Sebastian:Maybe we should go now. We'll see you again next week. Well, hold on. Somebody pointed out, did you guys figure out the YouTube channel thing yet? Did we not? Which one? Oh. What channel are we streaming to right now?

3:41:03Luke Lafreniere:We haven't figured it out. I asked Dan before we started. He says next week. Some people were off this week, so they couldn't deal with it.

3:41:09Linus Sebastian:Okay.

3:41:09Luke Lafreniere:Just - We gotta actually do that. Just mid-sized company things, I know. That makes sense, though. I know. See you again next week. Same bad time. Hopefully we'll have the channel thing sorted out. Bye.

3:41:26Linus Sebastian:All right.

3:41:27Luke Lafreniere:I'm up.