There’s No Reason To Buy An iPhone - WAN Show November 21, 2025

39:22It's pretty fun to play with. We have a heat gun. We have one of the jackets. We can play around with it a little bit. And as cool as it looks, it's functional, too. It's built with a water-resistant heat-reactive shell, water-resistant YKK zippers, warm recycled insulation, water-resistant, and an adjustable hood. Does it go kind of reverse? Like if you're really hot and then you walk out into the rain, do you see like cold spots? Okay, so here's the thing. I don't know how it works. You would have to, because the insulation's on the inside, right? So your heat doesn't pass through it too much under normal circumstances.

40:01Yeah. No, no, no. Sorry. I mean, like, say you're indoors somewhere. No, I understand. If you're an extremely warm running boy, you might be able to get it to turn yellow on the outside. But it'll mostly be in, like, the creases and stuff. So here, I'll put this on and I'll wear it for a while. Nice. Okay. And then you guys will see. It's mostly a party trick, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I want to be honest with you guys, right? It's mostly a party trick. I understand that. I was just wondering, basically, does it go in reverse? So when it's cold, if you apply heat, it turns pretty quick. Okay, alright, we're gonna try.

40:33Nice. We have a heat gun and a water sprayer. I didn't know that to be clear. I knew we had the heat gun. I didn't know we had a spray bottle.

40:45Uh-oh. No, no, I just got the tag in the zipper. Oh, I see.

40:52Alright,

40:56I've actually been wearing this quite a bit over the last little bit. it's just kind of like a here, hold on.

41:11It's kind of a nice little jacket. Adjustable hood. Alright, so... It feels kind of in the current fashion. Because it feels kind of like early 2000s, which is popular with the youngins these days. Right? Yeah. Yeah, it's almost like we have a fashion team. Yeah. We're also rolling into the cooler months with two fresh colorways of our blank long-sleeve shirt. The deep red melange that I'm wearing, Linus can, so you can kind of see it. It's a melange. And the black aqua melange that Luke is wearing. I really like it. Perfect for layering and styling during the fall season. You should explain melange.

41:54Oh, it's basically you have different dyes and the whole thing is woven together to make the fabric. So when you look at it really close, like Luke is doing over on his laptop there, there you go. That's a Melange fabric. See that? Very nice. Very nice. You want to switch over to the Blue Aqua? You can shop the collection at lmg.gg slash longsleeve. And now's as good a time as any to stock up on our apparel with our Buy More, Save More apparel sale, which is running until November 26th. The more you buy, the more you save, up to 25 % with five-plus items. This has been an absolutely killer promo for the store.

42:36People are absolutely loving it. They're loading up on a bunch of the apparel. It's pretty freaking awesome. You can mix and match with, like, I mean, I'm pretty sure it's all clothing items, right? Pretty much. It's close. Even new stuff like WAN hoodie and stuff like that. when hoodie you can see if we go to here you can see all the not necessarily all the white tags but when it says buy more save more it's included in the thing yeah and it's like it's a lot of stuff well i know a big struggle for people with our store is compared to stores that just like do free shipping or like prime shipping or whatever else i know that the shipping can be a real challenge but if you're loading up on five things then you're saving a bunch on the items themselves then that can help to offset the shipping.

43:18So I think this is kind of helping people break through that friction, break through that kind of shipping barrier, and try a bunch more of the stuff, which is pretty cool. So if we had socks, you could do an entire outfit. Because you can do pants. I mean, you could even do a hat. You can do pants, underwear, shirt. You can do all of those things. I am wearing nothing but LTT right now. Including those? These, I don't know. Are you going to show those? We're not, this is not the final design. How long, dude? For socks? Yeah. Soon. I want to do a refresh of mine. Soon. The, uh, have you, have you tried the prototypes?

43:58No. The most recent ones? They're like, okay. Have we talked about the socks? Yeah. Quite a while ago, yes. Okay. We talked about, like, we were talking about the different, like, you want to, I don't know weave or knit or something different amounts of different across the sock because of like zones like where your toes are where your heel is all this kind of stuff and they need to be done differently blah blah blah we talked about that on when jersel says you have but not in detail okay they are they are gonna be freaking awesome because for me because they're gonna be exactly what i want uh serve says are they soft or are they more rough i can't do soft socks they're more of like a utility like durable practical sock so they're not going to be the softest sock in the world they're a merino blend so they have real wool in them which means you're not going to get like like a like a fleece feeling like a super super soft feeling from them um but you know i don't necessarily like too much stretch or too much um like softness in a sock because what i can what i find is that it can make it so that your foot can move too much in your shoe and i can actually get blisters especially when playing sports um so they're going to be super wicking super antimicrobial um thanks to a copper treatment that we're getting that's actually through a partner in Canada here.

45:35They're going to be stretchy, but not too stretchy. They're going to have a variety of different weave styles. So there's going to be more breathable ones on the top and more padded ones on the bottom. All the things you would expect from a super high-end sock. I am so excited. We're finally doing it. Um, chat is, uh, yelling at me to when they come out, buy them before they sell out again. Yeah. Cause I never get anything off the store. I do feel like this is something that we are going to stock pretty heavy because we know, like we've been talking about this project for like three or four years now or something like that.

46:21I think, I think this is going to be it. i think this is the last project that was assigned to bridget when she started and i think she's gonna be coming up on her five years not that long from now which to be clear is not because bridget did a bad job at any stage bridget's amazing love working with bridget we actually did an amd upgrade for her a little while ago and i i even just like watching back the video of us i was like oh that's so fun i love hanging out with bridget like she she's great and um i am just an extremely difficult customer when it comes to what i put on my feet i can be kinda i can be kinda sensory defensive and um if i don't like something it can be very binary yes i like it no i don't like it get rid of it and so it yeah it can be it can be pretty tough um and between her and and tatiana and the rest of the fashion team they've like i had given up i told them forget it at a number of points and they're just like nah and they're just like no we're gonna we'll back burner it but we're gonna keep trying What are your thoughts on sock warranty?

47:49So, basically the question becomes, how much do you guys want to pay for it? Because there's no free lunch, right? Nope. So if we do... But if it's a high-end sock, these amount of competitors have high-end warranties. I know. So really what it comes down to is how we want to position it. Because what we could do is we could say, hey, this is a high-end sock. that is very competitive with other very high-end socks, but our price is going to be more palatable. But there's no warranty. But we're not going to do the crazy warranty. Okay, not no warranty. Hold on. Relax. Yeah, no, no, no. I felt it coming.

48:32Or we bake it in. Because those are the only two options. And realistically, our model up until now has been that we bake it into everything. because that's the trust me bro guarantee. Yeah. Because realistically, I don't really have a choice, which is exactly the point that I was trying to make all those years ago. I don't really have a choice. And I was so validated by the way that people freaked out about it. Because the second I even talked about not having a plan yet for how we were going to do warranty for something, I got my head bit off. On what, sorry? On the backpack. The backpack timeline, you don't fully remember correctly.

49:10This has been broken down. But that was part of my point was whether I like it or not, we don't, we don't have the option. Right. Right. Like as long as, as long as I'm here, the PR damage of us not taking care of people. I do agree. Is going to vastly outweigh any kind of benefit that we would get from not replacing your sock. Yep. Like it's not really a question. Right. I mean, do you disagree? No, but I don't also disagree that you should have just done a warranty in the first place with the backpack. Sure, but... And you should just figure out your correct stance. And if your stance is going to be that I'm going to replace it anyways, then you just give people the proper warranty that says that when it comes to the socks.

49:52Well, hold on. Okay, so you're forgetting a detail, though. Because our written warranty that people read about that they wanted so badly does not say that. No, I know. Yeah, it doesn't say that. Yeah, but if you're going to say that for the socks... So we're not going to say that for the socks. because no company would be crazy enough to do that uh they do that was who i'm pretty i know fjallraven does that with multiple things oh i don't know i see what you mean osprey does that with bags okay so then again so so there's multiple facets of this right because they might say that but ultimately what it comes down to when it comes down to it it's it's their ability and their willingness to fulfill it i think a few of these companies have like long-term examples of doing that over time like all the ones that i named and that's reputation yes but these companies might not exist forever for sure but i don't think that's a reason to not do it and if they ever did make a serious strategic error in their products and they were ever unable to fulfill it you simply like wouldn't get a replacement which is exactly what i was talking about when i was trying to figure out okay what would a system look like by which our commitment, whatever commitment it is that we make, could survive any event.

51:09Which was the whole point of what I was talking about, is whatever we lay down, whatever we lay down in writing, it should be something that we can actually commit to. And, you know, as a weird influencer company, rather than like a physical goods company that has 50 years of history or whatever to lean into or has, you know, is publicly held, right? like if i die the ownership of linus media group all of a sudden becomes a major question yep and linus media groups legal obligations become a major question right um so the the whole point of it was like okay what would that what would that look like as long as i'm here and as long as i'm breathing then it would be crazy for us to not just take care of people and if i'm not what does that look like and what people wanted was hey here's some platitudes and so we gave it to them sure but at the end of the day what our actions are are the trust me bro guarantee yeah but going above and beyond is good of course right of course should have never meant that you didn't have a warranty to begin with but and another detail that a lot of people miss is we never launched the product without a warranty in place i think we did no we didn't i'm pretty sure to find it nobody was nobody received a single backpack i think they did without a warranty or maybe received it maybe we started sales before it was there we start i think we started signups but we never took money until we actually had the product in stock so it's one of those things where it was a theoretical it was a theoretical issue it's gonna take me a while to find it yeah that's that's fine um the point is for the socks realistically i don't know if we have i don't know if we really have a choice i think we pretty much have to kind of bake it in whether we explicitly include that in a warranty or not is what it is what it kind of boils down to Got it.

53:18Does that kind of make sense? And that logic has always been consistent from day one of the store. The customer care team's instructions have always been, within reason, make it right. Take care of the customer. Yeah. And there are cases where they do say no because it's like not reasonable. um but in most cases you know if it if it is a if it is actually anything wrong with the product that you bought then the instructions are take care of it um no i'm not researching immortality ikea cherry

54:00um like what i what do you expect in terms of like a sock warranty that's another that's another thing i'm kind of curious about i honestly before i found like merino wool socks and companies like uh icebreaker and darn tough that i don't know about icebreakers warranty but uh honestly osprey darn tough all these different brands that have lifetime warranties i never would have expected any of them existed i'm very surprised that any of them exist i'm not saying that they shouldn't i'm just really surprised that they do i assumed if you bought a wool sock and you put a hole in it 14 years later, that you put a hole in your sock and you should get a new sock.

54:42But that's apparently not a thing at a certain point. Like someone in chat even said they had a Darn Tough sock that was like five years old or something. They got a hole in it. They shipped it to Darn Tough and they got new socks back. Now, my understanding of the Darn Tough warranty is that that's a one-time thing per purchase. So even... I have no idea. Yeah, even an unconditional warranty, that doesn't necessarily mean I, cause I think, I think, you know, that when I bought my whole wardrobe worth of darn tough socks, um, cause I love darn tough socks, regardless of whether, you know, we're going to sell our own or like compete with them or whatever.

55:19Like if we could have partnered with darn tough and just, you know, rebranded darn tough, I'd have been down to do it. I love their product. It's a great product. Remember, did you guys try? Uh, we've reached out to them, but for, you know, one reason or another, that is no fault of theirs. And no, I mean, they don't need to no fault of ours. not every partnership makes sense. I'm not blaming anybody, but for whatever reason, we didn't end up partnering with them on it. That's all I have to say about it. But if we could have, I would have. And just because we're going to make our product doesn't mean that I'm not going to honestly talk about another company's product that I also really think is very high quality.

55:53So yeah, Darn Tough makes a great product. My understanding is that it's one time. And if you go into sort of the fine details of it, many warranties do have legal sort of get-out-of-jail-free verbiage in them. um and you know i like i get that because i think i told you my like my devious plan when i bought two weeks worth of darn tough socks was that they would be the last socks that i ever bought because i was just going to get like warranty claim socks uh for the rest of my life rather rather ford the brave in flow plane chat said correct you can only use it once per pair I probably buy one to three pairs per year and replace one to two pairs every one to two years.

56:48All claims made in good faith will be considered. So even... What is that? Who's that? That's them? That's darn tough. Cool. So what people have to understand is that any warranty, it comes down to the company's willingness. Everyone bakes in because your lawyers will not allow you to write a warranty that says, I will be liable for every product I ship forever. No sane lawyer would ever allow you to write that into a written warranty. I was trying to figure out if there was a way that we could do it.

57:28people wanted something else so and and that's valid yeah there's a thread on the forum yeah that says that when we recount this, we get it slightly wrong. And they have Wayback Machines and Archive.today links and links to the WAN show and stuff. And there's a link to three different WAN shows, all of which are, well, okay. It's August 5th, August 12th, and August 18th of... Three years ago. 2022. And on the Wayback Machine, you can see an archive of the backpack page, which has a add to cart for full price and the amount of backpacks that were remaining in the wave that we were shipping at the time from august 4th meaning they were on sale when we were still talking about having a warranty so this is the august 4th way back machine 250 bucks add to cart so it looks like it was it does say back order this is a back order this is back so but for both screwdriver and backpack we did kind of a weird thing where we i think we check out but didn't i'm trying to remember how we did it for backpack so for screwdriver what we did was we did an in-person event where we launched it i and then like a hundred people could buy it or something like that fairly certain we did with the backpack like a thousand people could buy it you had a bunch there okay so you know what that's that's true then i guess the people who bought it in person technically did buy it before we had finalized but i think there's also this thing right there's whatever this is this is a shipping yet yeah right but that means they bought it so they yeah they didn't receive it but they bought it pre-warranty they gave us money yes which was fully refundable and we were pending figuring it out which i always said from the beginning i said we're gonna figure it out i'm just saying i'm just saying there's i saw this thread forever ago from flaming otter on the forum and they did some good research uh and they they linked the wayback machine archive.org and and date stamped all these wan shows and all this kind of stuff and i had i had kind of forgotten the exact order of events so i i appreciated this was uh a correction but yeah so that's we just we we end up circling this topic all the time so I just want to make sure we're uh yeah doing it right so it was right of people to want something in writing but my intention was never to screw anybody over even if I wanted to the consequences would have outweighed the benefit no I do agree I think I've always agreed with that like the audience would slaughter you well they did uh yeah right like it it completely proved my point my entire point was like yeah this is irrelevant this is utterly irrelevant because if I ever f***ed anyone over I would get raked which is which is why like man why didn't you just do it in the first place I told you at the time such a bad reason I didn't explain it very well and it was hold on it was an emotional reason yes which is a bad reason but it didn't come from a bad place sure i was trying to figure out okay like no seriously you know because you know i think about like you know long term succession plan legacy but this is trying to be a real company warranties like if you look i know what happens to a warranty if the company disappears i wanted to do better.

1:01:05Yeah, it's gone. Yeah, but like I was, okay, literally. Do the minimum first and then try to do better. Literally, like one of the conversations that I'd had with Yvonne beforehand, but I didn't want to talk about this because I didn't want to commit to it. I didn't want people to get this idea in their head, but I was like, okay, what if like in trust we have like funds set aside to lease space to like warehouse replacement parts like after the company shuts down. Which is insane. I know it's insane but that's what I was trying to figure out if there was like a reasonable way to do it. My only point was that I think the timeline is slightly off.

1:01:39I think we should, I think we should, the chat is yelling at us to move on. I think we should, the audience is guiding us onwards from this topic. We should, we should move, we should listen to them and move on. Heat gun! Artie says heat gun! Oh sure, hit me. Not too close, it's a heat gun, it's like very hot. It has a use this one. Yeah, it has a lock. Yeah, you just move that down. Just down? Okay, here we go. Hold on. I have to be here. What do you mean? Yes, it's definitely working. You're very close. Nice. Why would you do that?

1:02:21Look, you're happy now. I'm very happy right now.

1:02:31oh hold on my hands my hands aren't that warmer your hands warm uh not really it might work anyways hold on okay no i think you're warmer yeah i think i'm probably warmer yeah okay if your hands are really warm it happens pretty fast but if you're like a cold hands kind of person then it uh then it can take a little while there you go uh anyway it looks cool and i've seen it a few times like if you if somebody like gives you a hug and you see the arms around the back so here's the back just sitting against the chair like you end up with a little bit of the hood too yeah it's heat trapped a little bit yeah yeah so it's uh like i said it's more of a it's more of like a like a party trick and less of like it's gonna look like fire you know all the time or whatever but it's it's pretty neat it's a pretty neat party trick oh right spray the water yeah uh so we got to make a warm zone oh sure yeah hit me oh here do this side

1:03:35Okay, nice Okay Whoa, yeah, see? That's crazy So if you come from like a really warm area and walk outside into the rain, it's gonna look wild Yeah I think that's awesome That's actually really cool I've never seen the reverse I've only seen it heat up Right That's sweet I am like dying right now wearing this inside It's pretty warm. You can see the inside is turned yellow. Yeah, yeah. Hug my arms and my hands are very cold. Oh, yeah, and in the sleeves, it tends to go like that in the creases and stuff. So it's just, I don't know. It's kind of neat. Yeah. Basically, this is one of those garments where we didn't set out trying to make a jacket and then look for a material.

1:04:20We came across a cool material, and then we were like... Very 3M style. Let's find something to make out of this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

1:04:32Oh, what are we supposed to be doing? Merch messages. Oh, yeah. Want to hit me with a couple? Oh, wait. I should explain what they are. For those who are new to the show, merch messages are the way to interact. Not like just throwing money at your screen. No, you should throw money at LTTstore.com, get great quality merchandise in return, and also you can send a merch message to a producer, Dan. just whenever we're live, fill in this box in your cart. That's right. Cart, not checkout. And you can select a color, select if you want it to be your name or to be anonymous. And then producer Dan will either curate your merch message for me and Luke to respond, or he might, oh, here, I'm going to, there we go.

1:05:14Oh, but sorry, press the wrong thing. Luke, Luke laptop. There we go. Wait, no, what did I want to do? What are you doing? I was trying to point at this. there we go he might just he might reply to it he might just pop your message up if it's like a hey mom or you know whatever and we'll show you what it looks like dan do you want to hit us with a couple merch messages yeah sure i've got a bunch coming in here hey litmus duke and flan love the new energy in recent ltd videos how has the shift impacted the creative process slash morale for the team and has it reinvigorated the fun of making content for you oh i don't know i think we're kind of just doing what we're doing we're uh i mean if you're talking like about the valve videos specifically like we're pretty excited awesome yeah we're pretty excited about those we're always happy when there's just like you know cool cool tech for us to talk about that really does make our lives a lot easier um other than that i'm i'm not i'm not 100 sure to what you are referring i don't know sir yeah we're i do really like it's sad the the hisense video didn't get more views I don't know what's going on with that.

1:06:25It feels weird, but that was a sweet video. The Valve videos were both awesome. There's been some really good stuff lately. I don't know, man. YouTube views are so strange these days. It's really, it's really, really, really tough right now. Like that Xbox might be cooked one did like banger numbers out of the gate, like as good as the one before it with the speaker, the speaker scam. Yeah. But then just trailed off. um the linus went undercover to answer your tech questions was doing really great and then or uh oh wait yeah no that one was doing really great and then trailed off and then i'm trying to think if there's one that like started out horrible um graphene os started slow and then you can see is now above average so like the the the rhyme and reason to it all is it's felt like more than ever before the knobs are being like actively turned over time.

1:07:24And I mean that in both directions. Certain videos are just like really taking off in ways that you might not expect. And videos are just being crushed in ways you might not expect. It's interesting. And it's always funny to see people, you know, talk about on the subreddit. It's become a bit of a pattern that the ones that are poor performers, I'm going back to your laptop. Sure. The ones that are poor performers tend to be kind of like core audience, like subreddit and forum user favorites. And what I kind of have to say to those folks is like, okay, do something about it because we're getting f***ing crushed here on them.

1:08:08Like the amount of positivity for this buyer DIY that is mostly hosted by Jordan, where we finally do the whack-rack. I did see a lot of positivity behind this. So positive. People really like this. Video's bombing. It's dying. It's like, it's one of the worst performers out of the last few weeks. And that's not because Jordan did a bad job. It's because... People are really positive. Yeah, it's like super positive. I think it basically just comes down to that some of the passion of this hobby is getting hard right now. With just like how expensive things are. how expensive things are and how boring a lot of things are like you see the valve content people came out it's just like oh wow there's really interesting hardware coming yeah i will look at this they're here for it yeah okay ah man so here's a here's a crazy thing if the mainstream affordable tech is like not coming back like you look at amds is talking about increasing pricing on their gpus they were down to msrp for like two weeks um i can't have that well no pump it up i understand why they're doing it uh have you seen what's happened to dram pricing over the last few weeks like it's not like it's that they don't make dram they have to buy it same as i do same as you do they have to buy dram from samsung or sk hynix or whoever the case may be micron i don't buy my dram i know you don't but some Some people have to.

1:09:47So for the people who do, right, that's a cost. That's a cost that went up a lot. And, you know, like, oh, they should just absorb it. Like, that's nice. That would be very generous of them, but that's not how corporations work. Yeah. So where was I going with this? Right, right, right, right, right, right, right. So prices are coming up. So here's an interesting question. i don't think yeah

1:10:20this is from tech spot i don't know if the days of ltd doing you know 130 million views a month on building computers uh are coming back and so with that in mind like you know what do we what do we make videos about um i think there's like a opportunity to do things differently like i've been i've been trying to get slightly louder and louder and louder over time about spinning up a labs channel at some point um i don't know if new channel is going to help us out because like that's that it's not gonna we got to figure out some of our production efficiency woes yes um i think it absolutely can and it should we might need to change how like pipelines in the company i have oh man i don't know if we want to talk about this or not i have ideas on things um like it might it might not make as much sense to have these massive silos that have to try to lob things between each other all the time it might make more sense to um have like individual channels basically manage their own pipelines um that creates its own set of inefficiencies sure does which we have learned from experience sure and i won't say that the previous attempt at that was perfectly managed um but i i can say that we we gave it the old college try and it was not great what was that for i don't want to get into the specifics right now because it would yeah no that's fair enough yep that's why this conversation could be hard yeah yeah uh but but yeah okay no i it's not that i don't believe you i just i don't just not 100 sure what you're talking about like here's here's a crazy thought here's a totally crazy thought like we've we've talked about this offline but planes not sinking guys relax yeah just we're okay we're okay we're lmg has had to reinvent itself multiple times i think any company that has substantially existed on youtube for this long will have reinvented itself a bunch of times.

1:12:32This is not like chill. Yeah, it's not always in ways that are even necessarily obvious from the outside, but we've completely changed how we run our production many times. And so, you know, like, I think we've talked about this offline. We might've even mentioned this on Wancho before, but I came across recently that, and this is really stuck in my head because it completely shifted my view of how the consumer market works. but half of all consumer spending in the U S is now the top 10 % of earners. Have we talked about that on the show? Dan, do you remember? He doesn't pay attention. He just sits on his phone.

1:13:10I don't think so.

1:13:14That absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Your Russell says, yes, we have that still. It's like still on my mind. It's shocking. It's, it's one of the facts that I've been telling more and more people lately. It's just weird. it does make a lot of things make uh more sense it really does but it is very weird but it but it blows me away so so here's the thing like imagine because we used to make videos about high-end gpus all the time right we'd make a video about the you know uh 780 you know or the the six the the gtx 680 or you know whatever right like about these high-end gpus and remember a high-end gpu used to be 500 600 700 dollars and we'd get you know a million two million i think it really peaked around the rtx 30 series when i think the announcement for the rtx 30 series got like three plus or four million views or something like that our 50 90 review got over three million views um i'll get to that in a moment um because there's a big difference to me between like a spectacle product like like the biggest tv in the world consistently will get over 3 million views for us but for a different reason than why you know uh a gtx uh 1650 review might get 3 million views this is because everyone's kind of like oh this is an opportunity for me to see and vicariously experience it something that i would never see in person and this is because i am deeply considering purchasing this thing and i need to know more about it yes yeah and what we have right now in between those two is an expanse of dead zone is is what it feels like to me yeah where you have these products that are neither affordable to that 90 of u.s consumers that are that are making up half of spending um and then you've got these like these halo products that are still interesting but but you don't get very often like if our channel was dependent on nvidia to release a halo gpu for every like banger hit on our channel we it might have been fine when you and i first started doing computer stuff and it was like every seven months there was a new flagship sometimes yeah yeah that was a wild time to be a computer enthusiast yeah it's like you'd buy a new pc you'd bring it home you'd turn it on fire up an internet browser and find out it was obsolete like that that was like that was a meme yeah um and so you know here's a crazy idea what if we just accept that a lot of our videos are going because we've avoided creating too many videos about high-end stuff like you probably remember i vowed not to not to go 40 series you know because pricing was unreasonable clearly that changed nothing nvidia's geforce sales go up like clockwork more and more people are buying geforce even though 90 of people who have half of the purchasing power are angry about geforce pricing justifiably so because it's out of reach big time but like what do we do do we segment our content so do we have the videos that are designed for that 10 of the audience where we we evaluate high-end stuff knowing that only half a million people are going to watch it and then do we have content that we design around everyone else that's like okay here's the you know for for have a hot take you know whatever steam machine versus diy pc you know affordable linux gaming pc which is the way to go and and and we really like hyper focus who the audience is for any given video i have a hot take yeah hit me i think you're thinking about it too much and that you did this forever because we had uh extremely high-end systems uh we had your like what if you put uh a gpu from both vendors in your machine and ran crossfire and SLI at the same time what would happen going on at the same time as we had um the compensator and scrapyard war is happening we have always shown both sides of the coin we have but what i can tell you is that the one side is getting a lot less views these days okay sure i think you can still do it well no it's not it's not just that it's that it's it well those so those are both still doing fine though the extremes are both still doing fine it's the it's the like man what what would be like an equivalent it's it's like the build guide it's like the it's like the silent pc build guide the two thousand dollar pc build guide that is is is in this sort of like even even dead zone like all msrp this yeah absolutely died now now this one this one had a problem the problem was that we shot this ah the very all the comments about ram prices so ram prices started to take off literally in the couple of weeks that this was sitting and editing and that sucks because when we did the build it was like we were going to be like on it like you remember talking about this on wan show right like we were going to be on it highlighting finally some good news finally a freaking good time to be alive for people who like building their own pcs i this is just a great shot i gotta hold on one sec what is this wait for it wait for it when he puts the thing on the shelf and the piece of paper naturally falls fantastic cinematic masterpiece.

1:19:06Yeah.

1:19:11With that said, with that said, I still think that if you're somewhat shopping for a PC, this Black Friday could be a pretty good time to move, even with RAM prices being as crappy as they are, because it's only a matter of time before other components that use RAM, like GPUs, are also going to spike, and And storage is also apparently going to spike. So yeah, watch out. But yeah, it's that like everyday, like the very first PC build guide we did was a$1 ,500 PC build guide. And it's kind of crazy to think about that because that was over 10 years ago. And so, you know, with inflation or whatever, you would think I would be able to get a similar amount of interest in building a$2 ,000 PC today.

1:20:04But because the individual components feel so, because some categories have come down, like cases are kind of shockingly affordable these days. Like, man, it was, I think, David's upgrade. We picked up this like Chinese brand case that had like glass all over it and like came with a bunch of fans. And I'm like, look at this thing. It was like$70 or something like that. I was like, this is crazy, right? You remember when the Corsair 900D came out? It was like$300. Dude, you could get a case that may not have as much steel in it, but it's so much more featured today for literally like a quarter of the price.

1:20:45It's wild. But then people get this sticker shock of they go to buy a freaking GPU, or they don't realize that you can just buy a mainstream motherboard, and they look at how much like a gamer top of the line chipset motherboard costs and they go, holy sh**, forget it. You know, I'm out. I'm out. And I think it just takes some of the joy out of it. For sure. I know a lot of people that have effectively exited the hobby at this point, like personally, because it's just like, man, I can't keep up. And it's obviously clearly both, but I think the bigger impact of it is not actually the price of computer components going up.

1:21:36I think it's the price of everything else going up and their income is not matching. That's fair. Because they're feeling squeezed on any form of extra. and extra hobbies extra activities eating over food any form of anything is feeling squeezed it's not just their their hobbies their interest in computer stuff it's a tough time what is a channel what does a channel look like that can kind of cater to the top of the k-shaped economy and also the bottom of the k-shaped economy how do we design that channel I don't think it's that different you think so? I don't think it's that different I think I think you keep that in mind I think you understand that the middle is like not that interesting and just do both like I said we would do insane Lambo builds back in the day and not literally Lamborghini but like just fancy things and then also would do Scrap Red Wars and cheaper things like that.

1:22:50Oh.

1:22:54Yeah, we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. I think... This video felt like it kind of rhymed. I haven't watched the... It rhymed? If you go back and go forward again, it usually gets rid of it. But do you remember this? free or extremely cheap diy pc test bench yeah um i haven't watched it yet but you guys just a piece of wood basically you basically you take a computer case and you oh you don't yeah right right right turn it into a test bench by using uh wooden legs um our videos used to be really short back then i know um i was like wow i'm at the end already uh but yeah it's it's i saw you guys do the like uh i haven't watched it yet but the server rack video and i was like huh cool yeah uh and i mean maybe we just have to maybe part of it is uh because i know you and i have talked about like we i think we need to get back to the daily schedule i think oh yeah to be part of people's daily routine i think that is an important part of linus tech tips ethos is that it's been when we were really hitting it we were hitting it every day yeah you could you could come to your computer after work and there would be an ltd video or at breakfast time time where you know everybody had like their routine yeah um i think we have to hit it every day and there's there's things that doesn't just mean like you know um push the writers harder there's like we got to find ways to accomplish that and a seven and a half minute video might be is one of the ways to do that yeah i i also talked to somebody i was talking to a couple people about this but uh let me let me pitch it on wancho and see why you don't like it um but i have my my new idea for short circuit and my new idea for short circuit uh which i'm gonna need to chop around to a bunch of people if it's even any good as an idea stems off of a type of video that was your idea back in the day that we filmed.

1:25:04If I look up, let me jump to here, GTX 980. Here we go. This video is a good example of it. So it starts off, and you're hosting, and you actually, I noticed this while I was talking to someone about this idea, but you actually, like, take it out of the box. There you go. it's not an unboxing but let's use the framing of the video instead of the actuality of the video but you you started off you're talking about the product you look at the product you're talking about how it's physically built you're talking about the new cooler it looks all cool and stuff you talk about software features you go through the io you do things that you might do if this was a short circuit unboxing yep okay well i mean that's ltt's origin right this is 11 years ago so So this is not far after LTT was an unboxing channel.

1:25:58Yes. This is us kind of like morphing. Evolving. We're kind of in the middle. So this is unboxing. And you've always said your name for short circuit is unboxing plus. This video also had a plus. Yeah. With a little bit of performance testing. Hello. What if we did. Snow wars. What a shirt. I don't think we had a. I noticed that too. is that meant to be like calvin and hobbs looking font it's supposed to be it's supposed to be calvin and hobbs uh like cosplaying uh star wars that's calvin down there brilliant okay yeah uh anyway though yeah so what if we kind of did it this way so because there's been i've heard a bunch of different complaints about short circuit i finally shot one and experienced how it goes and stuff and one of the one of the things that i've heard is that it's like it's unboxing but it's not necessarily the first unboxing.

1:26:51Yeah. Like, say, for example, if someone unboxed it before and now it's in a power profile that you didn't expect it to be in. You might have noticed the glowing yellow icon in the corner, but, you know, that's fine. We can take the entire blame for that. I mean, yeah, we're not. We could focus on the thing that we're trying to talk about, though. That would be good. So what if we did a thing? Why are you so sensitive? this goes both ways big guy uh it's okay so what if we did an actual unboxing yeah so what if very shortly after it came in you know we got to give some time whether it's it's uh bell or it's maybe someone from the last team or whatever prepares some form of one page or document that doesn't yet have performance numbers in it but it has like points that you should probably hit about this product um and they they still sit on the side a lot of the shooting is the same it just doesn't have the labs input yet you do your unboxing and everything and then one of the ways i was thinking about is you like actually physically like toss the product off camera you're not the first person to pitch this to me today and then oh today and what i said to them is that that works great until and i think this will happen on a not infrequent basis something about the initial unboxing and impressions yes conflicts with something in the but we've actually tested it now so how do we how do we not waste the viewer's time sitting through mistaken impressions to get to the part where we correct it i don't know if that's going to happen too often i do think you're right it will happen i think one of the parts of this that effectively needs to happen is that the first i don't know the proper term for this but when it's cut together before it's like properly edited but they have the footage cut together i think that should be output and handed over to the people in the lab so while they're testing it they can see what the person said and then if minor corrections need to be made with like you know voice dub or whatever it can be done anytime you have to go back and do a pickup it is just devastating to the workflow because it's it's it's it's it's like uh i don't know how often that's gonna have to happen though because like Like there are some things, like an example that I'm assuming the other person I was talking to about this brought up was brightness.

1:29:17Yeah. They're like, what if I like the brightness, but it turns out that the spec that they advertised was like incredibly high knit. And then the labs finds that it's below the advertised spec. Yeah, because there's so little content that will actually take advantage of a super high brightness display because it's just like not mastered for it. particularly becoming a thing with like newer films is many of them are mastered to such a low HDR brightness that they might as well not be HDR at all. Um, and so depending on the content that the host, you know, happens to find to, to watch, uh, they might form a completely wrong, um, impression of the brightness of the display.

1:30:00Uh, and it's like, it's, it's one of those things where like in theory, yeah, you can have expert hosts who just like won't do that, but that's not scalable that's not uh it's not that manageable it's hard to it's hard to train for every in my opinion edge case and it the audience might not agree yeah in my opinion if someone's impression of the brightness is good yeah and then we test it and get a number that's like not necessarily uh i i think the example that was given was it doesn't match the manufacturer's spec not necessarily that we found that it was bad yeah but we found that it didn't match the manufacturer's I mean, I think a manufacturer falsely advertising their product is bad.

1:30:41Right. But we still call that out in the video. But it can be, hey, the brightness of this device feels good. And it can be, hey, their spec doesn't match. That's bad. That both can be in the same video, I think. I think those can live together. I'm having a very hard time. I mean, I'm not saying, you know, no, you're wrong. Right? Like, you might very well be right. I don't know. But I am having a very hard time imagining a world where I want to watch a video that contradicts itself. I don't think that's a contradiction. That doesn't just do the work ahead of time and then get alignment between the teams so that the message is consistent.

1:31:20And like, I have no problem with a host saying, in fact, like this is something that you would have seen me do in script review all the time back in the day. like if you were preparing a laptop or something like that then i might say something in the video about and coming around to the keyboard well this is a bit of a mixed bag luke who was the writer for this project absolutely loved it but here's the thing and we'd get a b-roll shot of my hand and luke's hand my hands a little bit smaller than luke's and i actually found it pretty hard to reach the shift key, which for a grammar Nazi like myself, who cares about things like capitalization and punctuation is a big problem.

1:32:02Like that's, that's, that's exactly the kind of thing that I might write into a script, but that's tidy. It's in a nice little bow. It contains both perspectives and I don't have to wait around to get the other perspective. And I've always preferred to wrap things in a tight bow, or I shouldn't say always. I mean, if you go back far enough, we would actually, I would say something that I think about the product and I would cut the camera and then we would come back and the camera would start rolling again and I wouldn't edit anything and I'd say, oh, actually I just looked it up on my phone and that's not right.

1:32:43The spec is actually this. I think I remember that. Like if we go back far enough, I basically did exactly what you're pitching. No, it's different. Okay, a little different. It's pretty different. I mean, here's my impression and here's what I think. No, it's quite literally unboxing plus a thing. It's unboxing and impressions and experience, which is what unboxing means and the reason why it's so confusing to the entire audience. And then it adds on labs testing on the end instead of trying to mix it throughout. I understand the vision of the thing that you're talking about. Yeah. I think it's just what I'm trying to accomplish is the path through our workplace right now for a thing that comes in for short circuit is very difficult.

1:33:25And this path is significantly simplified. And I think there's potential that the audience really likes it in that structure. I also think there's potential that it just sucks. I'm not trying to dismiss your concerns. There's also devices where it's really not simplified. anything with battery testing should absolutely go through the lab first and should go nowhere near a set before it has been battery tested because you're just adding an enormous, potentially like huge delay to, to the, um, to the time when you can film the first segment, like the impression segment. and when you can film the second one.

1:34:05So you'll have these projects that are just in production limbo waiting for the second part to be tested and then shot and then delivered to the editor. So why did you even bother to shoot this piece in the first place? So part of this plan that I didn't explain was that it can sit in editing and in labs testing at the same time so that the hosted part, the probably more difficult part to edit, um the okay the primarily primary hosted part because the labs hosted part would be so short um could could start editing while the labs is testing so that's something that i've pitched many times um like having editing the part of a video that the editors have already and then i'll deliver you the rest nobody likes it okay i mean i don't know imagine from like a development standpoint if someone was like yeah here's the first half of the project that i want done it doesn't really matter i guess you like could do that but it's a lot easier it's a lot easier if you have a full scoped out you know work order and you know exactly what it is that you're building people generally like to have all of the lego pieces come in the box rather than building half of the kit and then getting the rest of the pieces later and then putting them together at the end in general because there are aspects of the edit that do carry forward between the two parts and it's not the kind of thing that i think nuts and bolts folks might necessarily consider but okay i want music that matches this tone i want music music that matches the tone of this and i want them to kind of match the tone and transition well into each other it's hard for me to do that when i don't have both pieces from the very start and so look i'm not saying i'm not saying no I'm just saying that it's not that simple either no I didn't think it was that simple I I'm trying to figure out how to solve for some of these things you're talking about music like I wonder if we could almost have I've pitched it what just a library of like a finite number of tracks and they're just like all in a folder and they're all what ones pair yeah and and and and the thing is that like that's the kind of cookie cutter thinking that people like you and I would look at and go well that just makes common sense but it's also the kind of thing that the really like audiovisual creative folks who have driven a huge part of might not like it the advancements of our visual identity on our channel over the years um would look at and go well yeah no that's not really how it works if you don't want things to start to feel samey and start to feel bland and boring it's an interesting thing though because like i know of one successful channel i'm not saying like no they're wrong to be very clear i just i know one very successful channel that i watch from time to time has a specific cadence to it someone someone will be talking in a particular style and then they'll start talking in a different style when they when they switch to that other style the same track comes on every single time multiple times in a video and every single video and it works great.

1:37:17But that's a stylistic thing. That is a stylistic thing. What if the lab's backtrack was the same every time? Or what if there was like four so that there's like a few things you could do with the previous one. I'm falling back to the same thing. Maybe they'd still hate it. I don't know. I think like, yeah. I don't want us to trench in on what we're doing because what we're doing is so incredibly heavy and slow. and I'm not talking short circuit only I'm talking practically everything. TechLinked is still pretty lean Fair. Yep TechLinked is lean and like some of the LTTs are reasonably lean like looking back over the last little while the this video was a really cool one unfortunately it didn't perform that great.

1:38:05That thumbnail is confusing It's gone through a few iterations this is the best one we've got so far i don't know what to do to replace it i have no ideas yeah it is what it is at this point it's it's done what it's going to do but anyway the point is that this was a really cool video this was not like a ridiculous amount of work this was pretty close to what like our old productions might have been sure we went into a cool place we interviewed a cool guy we tried out a cool product and we said peace out see you later um So we do, we do do them sometimes. But I think we have a tendency to try to do it, to try to make a Michael Bay sequel every time.

1:38:50Like one of the things that I've toyed with in my mind, don't worry, I'm not going to do it. But one of the things I've toyed around with in my brain is what if we just deleted the entire channel and then started over? Well, yeah, look, you're shaking your head. I already told you we're not going to do it. I'm pausing, I'm pausing. I already told you we're not going to do it. because one of the things that drives me nuts is we'll pitch a video and I'll be like, Samson's did it, Samson's did it, except Samson's is us. We're up to almost 7 ,000 videos. Yeah, you need to just stop doing that. Just make it again.

1:39:20It's not that easy. Just do it. No one cares. If you release the video like nine years ago, you can release a new version of it now and it's fine. That's also not necessarily even true. We have had instances where we've done a similar video to what we've done in the past. And it will have extremely low momentum with our core returning audience, which will create a death spiral of not promoting it to new you. How far back did you look? How far back did I look? So this, you're talking, maybe you don't remember or whatever, but. I'm gonna, I'll have to dig up a specific example for you, but there have been times when.

1:39:57No, I believe you there's been times. I'm just wondering like. Like years ago though. Like it would have been a video from years prior. Yeah, but how many years? I'd have to check. It's like, our backlog is so deep. You could redo a video from a decade ago. Oh, I know. Versus you could redo a video from three years ago. Re-release it in HD and call it a remaster. Here's an example. Here's an example. Thank you, Dan. I had missed Dan in this conversation. No, you didn't. Here's an example. So, PC building a fridge. Does it work? I did this 10 years ago. Do you think this video needs to be done again?

1:40:33I don't know if it I'm not saying it needs to be done. Should it be done again? Could it be done again? Would it be done again? I don't be done again. I Really liked weird builds back when I was in the day I still really liked the the fallout bomb PC The the two parts of that got 1.3 million views the comments on it are super super positive. I really liked doing those types of things I don't know if the current audience wants that. They don't perform the way they used to. I also sometimes wonder if that's almost like audience coaching. Like something that I think has been bad. Ooh, do I talk about this?

1:41:12Sure. I don't care. What's the worst that could happen? You could alienate the land show viewership. You could destroy our relationship. Who cares, right? You only live once. Yeah, let's send it. I think the and I, oh man. How do I word this? I think the I am an LTT viewer this is why has changed and I know there's the whole you know I mean you guys are still doing some things like the the$1 ,600 all MSRP PC thing okay cool I think liquid metal killed my laptop now what is a pretty cool video sure I think however that like you know the m5 macbook is on short circuit yeah it's not on ltt if i am a i watch ltt because i'm a tech person i like the entertainment and i like keeping up with i like the entertainment i like learning new things now and then and i like keeping up with what's happening in the tech world the keeping up with what's happening in the tech world isn't really there anymore no i think it's moved over to tech linked in a big way when it comes to like news and announcements we didn't talk about and i think that the product side has moved over to short circuit in a big way and i don't think i think those things can still happen yeah but i think they can be different experiences so that's what's that's what kind of drives me crazy is like when we when we broke out the additional channels the idea always was that it would be it was supposed to cover the same stuff but in a different style in a different way that is like non-preventative in practice it hasn't really worked out that way for both logistical and also nonsensical reasons um like logistically we're not going to buy two apple vision pros so only one you know team is going to get to look at it at a time yeah and if one team prepares both the short circuit and the LTT it's going to end up feeling same you can kind of run into trouble and I think a great example of that is I agree with that um the Xbox ally x where ploof did a wonderful job of this short circuit that got just over a hundred thousand views making it one of the lowest performing in that cohort of video uploads.

1:43:43That's rough. Whereas the LTT video... The LTT one banged. Well, it didn't bang. The announcement one did. The announcement one hit. And then by the time the review went up, the momentum around the Xbox Ally X was a lot lower. The excitement was like way lower. I don't think that's going to happen with the Steam Machine. Were you guys on launch? Yeah. Oh yeah. I think the Steam Machine is going to maintain that excitement and maintain that conversation and maintain that momentum but what happened was because ploof was actually the writer for the ltt and because both he and i talked extensively about our experience using it you start to watch the short circuit after you've watched the ltt and you're like i've already seen this story just because and that's not because we're the same person or that we're like afraid to disagree with each other across our different channels or whatever it's just because we're two kind of like-minded dudes who kind of work at the same place who kind of talked a lot about the devices and had an opportunity to to because he convinced me of some things that i you know didn't feel and i convinced him of some things that he didn't feel and so our opinions ended up pretty close here we go here we go okay yeah with my setup for short circuit you unbox it basically when it comes through the door yep if it's going to be labs tested it's going to need to be labs tested for ltt short circuit whatever anyways so it can go to labs for that and then it can go to the ltt team so would you like to hear what the flow was supposed to be yeah when we started the lab sure every i genuinely don't know so like yeah well because it hasn't been relevant because it was never really it was really um we never got anywhere near realizing this vision so the vision was supposed to be that the procurement team would get one of everything like literally 11 or 14 100k 14 100f cpu i do know this part 14 200 okay that's not a cpu don't worry about it the point is they would get one of everything if it was they'd get it literally everything the reason that the lab is in the main inventory warehouse is because things were supposed to go straight from the procurement door to the lab it was supposed to be tested before it inventory even goes on a shelf so we would test it lab would do some analysis they would put up so they would create a product page on the labs website add it to our comparison database and you know do all of that stuff and then in that process they would find diamonds in the rough or they would find marked underperformers and that would go into like that would be flagged uh i guess you know in air table we didn't have Airtable yet, but currently, that would be flagged in Airtable, and it would automatically go over to writer's meeting, where we would once a week be going through, okay, here's products that could be, that are interesting from both a standout and an underperforming perspective for potential feature on short circuit or LTT.

1:47:03As we scaled that up across more verticals, we were supposed to have additional channels that are completely dedicated to those individual product verticals, CPU, GPU, monitor, power supply, you know, whatever. PSU circuit is the first of, not because we thought it would get the most views or because we thought it was worth putting the most resources into, but because we thought it would be relatively simple to templatize the production of it because they're all the same shape and size and stuff. Well-established vertical for us at the time, and Lucas had a good grip on it. Exactly. so then from there the idea wasn't that labs would go and have to do like a bunch of work for that short circuit or for that ltt to be made the idea behind it was that they had already done the work for the uh for the website and for short circuit the host would simply pull up you know it with aerosnap they'd have the manufacturer website on the one side they'd have the labs article on the other side they'd read through it and they would do their an informed unboxing is i guess i i don't think i've ever phrased it that way before it i've always kind of called it unboxing plus but what it's supposed to be is an informed unboxing and not just informed by the manufacturer but informed by like some independently validated data and then it just kind of it kind of got confusing sure that vision's also like optimistic yes i know i mean

1:48:39oh yeah mate no no it's super wise oh i know okay no no no no i know okay i know it's like bruh however years from that now i mean but i know but i never said do it tomorrow oh no yeah for sure you know like it was that but that was the ultimate i also think one of the kind of like flaws there if i can poke at it a little bit sure is the currently most interesting products for people as far as i can tell um are either you know mainline cpu gpu cool we have a launch every two years so whatever um outside of that it's phones laptops handhelds it's extremely complicated yeah fair enough it's extremely complicated devices that include pretty much the entire testing suite and take a very long time to test and i know you can say i want a lot of things to be super automated great there are parts of this that are not really going to get there no 100 display testing is going to be horrible forever and i can tell you right now like that's in regards to time and stuff that's a big part of the reason that i think we ultimately made the mistake.

1:49:54I mean, I don't think there's any way to sugarcoat it, right? I think that's a big part of why we ultimately made the mistake of branching out into so many verticals at once. Because we recognized exactly that, that the direction we were going was these tightly integrated devices. And recognized that if we didn't have a CPU test suite and a GPU test suite and a display test suite and a battery life testing suite, then we weren't going to be able to, we weren't going to be able to test anything that people would care about we needed literally all of them um and that sucks yeah but and it makes the lift of testing a lot of this stuff like you're talking it's enormous every single thing through the door when when there's so many phones and laptops and things and there's so many of those that no one will ever care about no matter what does not matter um and yes there will be diamonds in the rough but you're digging through a lot of rough to find very small diamonds yeah i mean um that was the uh that was the hope it came from i can tell you it came from a good place yeah and i think we're we've kind of we've somewhat you know he's talking this was the original direction we've somewhat shifted now we still have some of that identity and there's still some of that identity that we will be actualizing and if we and if we could do that in the longer term i think there are verticals where it is realistic with certain things i do think it'll happen we're not we're not completely jumping off i think we could have a database of every gpu i don't i don't i don't think that gpu is probably one of the ones that i think make more sense uh cpu gets a little sketch when it comes to like bio settings and little weird other things that go on gpu but like i think we can also get there with cpu to be clear Yeah, I think so too.

1:51:41It's just a little further out, I think. I think so. But GPU, I think, is probably the first one that that vision could be realized with. Yeah. I think there's even other really cool things we could do with GPUs like you've talked about. I think power supply could be done. I think that it will be very challenging to parallelize the testing because unless we buy another power supply tester. I don't think it's ever going to be worth it, personally. We're effectively stuck at about one a week. So it'll be throughput capped. Well, part of that's that it's all Lucas. So we need someone else to... I thought he told me that just running all the routines takes like days.

1:52:15And then if they fail, we have to do them again on another one. So it just like, it takes about a week. He told me. Sounds realistic. I haven't dove into that significantly because my bigger bottleneck has been just him as a person. Yeah. Because he's great. So I need him doing other things as well. So we need like a mini Lucas who can do. Tordirk says just clone Lucas. Next problem. Where are we going to get enough biomass? ass well yeah and then you've seen how tall this man is he doesn't fit inside the machine it doesn't work dude we were we were getting on a plane recently and when we were standing on the is it called like what is it called the little bridge between the big bridge and the plane the little bridge that has like the netting on the side let's call it a little bridge with netting on the side the gangway the jet bridge not the big jet bridge though just the little one that goes from the big jet bridge to the plane.

1:53:08We all know what you're talking about. Whatever. Anyways. The line of size bridge. He was standing on that and his head was over the top of the plane. Yeah. I'm going to pretend to be surprised, but this is someone for me to converse with. I literally need to expose my jugular. It's literal submission. Oh no. So anyways, that was pretty epic. Anyway, I don't think anything's off the table in terms of how we can optimize our workflows and try to deliver the content you guys want to watch, right? One of the things is, you know, in the wake of things, we did a lot of process adding, and I think we need to look at entire systems.

1:54:03beginning to end and reevaluate how things flow through them with the idea of basically to a certain degree, and this is going to sound scary to people, but to a certain degree, like starting over with how things flow through the company. I'm not saying delete the channel. I'm not saying delete anything. No, I can do that. No, I actually have that power. I would rather you just leave it and make LTT two, but that would also be incredibly stupid and you shouldn't do either of them. but why would you just it's so dumb don't do that but like yeah because there's so many process loops and like there will be you know with the MacBook video with the low power mode thing there was comments like it's okay they'll add another process and catch this next time and it's like cool man but also no if anything I think we have like too many processes and I think we're at the point where we have so many processes that the fact that we have so many processes is starting to introduce errors however so like that one was a that one was a pretty unique example actually because it's a macbook so i don't daily drive mac os which we which we know but what was new about it very little of it was actually the mac os part the new thing about it was that it had a new processor which i have I'm perfectly comfortable talking about um and so that's and that so that's a video where without the pre-testing I would have had damn near nothing to say even like they didn't change the keyboard they didn't change the display they changed practically nothing on the machine other than what labs tested i did i did so the only one i've done was the apple vision pro yeah and i found that personally that's a hyper experiential device though personally the one pager was not particularly useful no it wouldn't be i basically never looked however i can tell you you wouldn't have survived shooting the macbook m5 without the one no i know what i'm saying is there is an ignorance gap here because I haven't done a Labs-heavy one-pager or a device like you're describing where the difference is almost purely performance.

1:56:27Well, no. It's non-cosmetic is a big part of the problem. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I can comment on transparent elements in the updated macOS a little bit, not much though. Is it acceptable if that is just a bit of a weird video where the Labs performance portion of that video is a lot longer every process unboxing one is shorter that has like an exception path no i don't think it's an exception path oh you don't think so i think you and let me explain because i understand why you would say that that makes sense but let me let me kind of restart here for a second so i don't think anything changes in the process but if you just don't have a ton to say yeah you open the laptop say what you do have to say and then go this is a mostly performance change so good luck lab and toss it off and then we have a longer portion of the video it doesn't actually change it's not a process change doesn't change the flow everything happens exactly the same um but it's just you know if the important part is the performance there's more lab stuff basically the lab section scales by how important the performance section of it is all the way down to zero because there are some devices that just don't get it because there is no performance aspect with some of the things on short circuit and it can scale up if there's more not to a hundred but then okay hear me out why did we even bother to shoot with the host why doesn't labs just do the short circuit

1:58:32That's his ultimate plan. no i i think it can scale and like okay that is an interesting point but

1:58:42like here let's have a look at the channel okay i don't want to make it where it's a process change but i do so this is one this is one that should for sure not be lab hosted um well okay hold on hold on a second because i so much subjective when it comes to mice there is but i would make the argument that the subjectivity only matters once this product surpasses a certain threshold of objective goodness so a mouse is a mouse can only be relevant at all if it's like not a complete because this is a gaming mouse remember i'm specific this is specifically a gaming mouse so unless it's tracking is you know on par and latency is on par with the rest of the industry and to be clear this is a prox super light 2c i'm sure it's fine but if it isn't fine which then we basically need to establish that first there's a ton of startups in the in the mice space and then we can get into the and then we can get into the subjectivity right so so sometimes i guess the point i'm trying to make is sometimes the order of operations is not necessarily even the same like a monitor i i think there's i think there's a fair bit you can talk about you can unbox it you can talk about the size the display technology you can talk about if it has some cool aesthetic sort of you know rgb on the back oh oh oh oh we have the all transparent pc coming on ltd everything's clear old school acrylic case acrylic case power supply okay it's been a while water cooling of course with acrylic hardline tubing a full acrylic desk made of like inch and a half thick and sometimes you go so far with things we found a monitor did you need the desk with an acrylic back we borrowed the desk so it wasn't actually that acrylic back was that one of those like prison ones no okay no it's just an asus gaming monitor they did one with an acrylic back it looks so cool anyway sorry that is sick yeah then so yeah is there a cool aesthetic thing and then you can kind of hand over to labs but like it just ah so so what you're saying is right now that it doesn't seem like it works with every verdict because i want to keep working on this because i i we need to find more efficient ways to float but even this one's kind of tough right because okay do i hand off to labs first before i game on it and give my impressions and then do we come back to me like gaming on it and i'm just like talking about how it like feels pretty good man or do i game on it for a bit and then i hand it off to labs for their objective analysis either way either order we could end up with conflicting information which i don't love it's not clean i don't yeah and that's nothing against ploof i mean this man he owns a display He does own a display.

2:01:40He does own a display. And so... I think he might own more than one. You know what? We actually have that video coming too. He might have been lying to us because he said a display. Nick Plouffe... He's a man who owns displays. Officially owns two displays. He bought one for$70 for Whale Land. And we did a full LTT on it on his journey of discovering that he wants a monitor that's easier to move. Sure. And is better for lands. He might be sketched out on moving his nice one. And that he found out could be obtained for as little as 70 US dollars for a perfectly cromulent gaming monitor. Cromulent.

2:02:18Do you have one of those Roccat monitor carrying bags? No, but that sounds amazing. Oh, I've got one at my desk. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice. It's not actually mine. It's technically Derris's, but I have one somewhere as well. Excellent. Ah, yeah. Wow. Like, I don't know what you can say about a pair of headphones. Honestly, I didn't want to bring it up because I'm trying to get this idea moving, but I saw that thumbnail and was like, hmm. Yeah. But here's a thing. Here's a, here's a, hmm. Here's a thing. The headphones vertical, and I understand you're going to give pushback because you're like, that's right now.

2:02:57That's that person. That's an individual thing. That's not the whole. Those are all fair comments. Yeah. But we could have just the same person do the whole thing. i mean that's yeah but i'm there are complications with that right now mr uh well let's talk about that offline sure yeah okay it might be even easier though okay but but totally we can talk about later and i understand um but like uh and like there's certain stuff that labs doesn't even need to touch i don't need labs to tell me about this phone controller i'm just gonna use it uh What? We could talk about input latency. We could talk about...

2:03:34Yeah, but I don't care because if I'm seriously gaming, I'm not using a phone because I'm not a Gen Alpha. Yeah, but that might be a problem with your ability to relate to the young children with their sixes and their sevens. You're honestly not even wrong. You're not even wrong. Because that actually, I mean, that got more views than I expected. Yeah, I know, right? It's kind of funky. I'm that good.

2:04:02sure uh but like where's my thing yeah let's go but there's just there's a bunch of stuff and like okay so i do i do want to figure something out i i honestly like that there was holes poked in the idea but it uh but it doesn't necessarily seem like it's completely gone at least there's you know what else is not completely gone all the topics we're supposed to get through on the land show here uh but yeah i think we got to get back to six on ltt i think one of those ways is bringing back reviews or maybe seven yeah maybe seven it's officially not cool anymore yeah you're welcome um i think it's been not cool for like a while yeah now there's a time to start using it then but now ironically but now i've done it so it's officially not cool nice it wasn't official before are your kids saying that now no no they don't care no nice um they're not really allowed like social media apps so nice good yeah awesome they don't really like great parenting see this crap i am being serious just to be clear yeah they'll pick it up occasionally at school and stuff yeah sure because there'll be other kids that are just scrolling brain rot yeah um that sucks all right float plane announcement is what the thing above dan's monitor says oh fun we know that you're hungry for the linus torvalds collab video to come out it's going to take some time to cook but what we can provide is some teasers from the day as well as some uh some footage snippets uh this is one example that we have over on float plane lmg staff hangs out with linus torvalds after the shoot if you want to get some idea of how cool other linuses literally no one dared no one dared to press this button it's really unnecessary to go do it right now by the way you really don't have to do that they generally don't the float plane audience is like actually not like so it's pretty cool um yeah yeah yeah based thank you for that anyway people are freaking loving it so just again i've talked about this already but he was so generous with his time he just hung around and chatted with our staff for basically as long as they wanted to chat with him and it was it was flipping awesome it was such a cool experience for people here like honestly it was one of those things that makes me like proud as an employer to even run a place that was cool enough to have a guest that was a big deal enough that people on our staff get this like one-on-one experience with them because he was willing to come to our building you know it's like how how insane is that and i don't he doesn't see it that way i don't think no probably not at all but i do yeah it was amazing anyway it's wicked so that's um that's one of the float plane exclusives that we have uh we also have apparently the first 10 minutes of the uh linus torvald's collab worked hard to get the first 10 minutes of our highly anticipated collab video i don't know if i want to play this what oh whoa there he is signing my copy of his autobiography though so that's pretty cool uh oh so did we did we actually edit it oh interesting You know what?

2:07:28No audio. No audio. You're gonna have to subscribe to Floatplane. That is intriguing.

2:07:44Wow.

2:07:53Oh, the awkward energy is... hi palpable yeah um anyway not only that but we have both weekend videos uploaded to float plane thanks to ploof who owns a display nice and our editors peter and tyson it says open da link and make it live on da stream how is elijah as brain rot as he is and as high functioning as he is isn't this sammy did i say elijah sorry i meant sammy yeah yeah no not not elijah elijah's uh No, I know. Yeah, we understand why Elijah's the way he is. With Sammy, it's confusing. Yeah. Yeah, so, okay, here it is. Oh, yeah, here it is. Ploof's second display that he owns. That's actually awesome.

2:08:39I'm going to add that. Ploof owns a second display. Yeah. No, he can't say that he owns a display. He has to say that he owns displays. It's truly a great day for Canada, and therefore the world. uh okay and it's live cool so that's up and so yeah we're trying to do a little bit more early access which is kind of neat we're also oh this is going up oh oh we're doing another uh deepfake and generated video video which you know about because nick from the lab has been deeply pun intended involved in the creation of this yeah um apparently that's also going up right now boom and boom nice nice some of that is wild oh it's pretty cool and if you like know me well you know you would look at it and you'd go there's parts of it that are close but also that but yeah you can tell but you can tell like you said if you if you know people like man people will send me clips of like oh my god someone dubbed linus's audio it sounds just like him and it'll sound like like a boston accent to me and i'm like what are you talking about this doesn't sound like linus at all but i don't know oh cool i am logged into twitter right now uh someone sent me someone sent me this uh oh because i probably logged in for the show at some point no no i'm gonna bring it up um all right nano banana pro i haven't actually played around with this particular image editor but someone just sent me a um a shot of me building a computer with ann hathaway nice that is surprisingly convincing like this was one yeah that in this at this size when i first looked at it like initial glance i went i don't remember collabing with this person I didn't actually recognize them as Anne Hathaway yet.

2:10:47But I was just like, that's weird. I don't remember. I don't remember that set. And I don't wait. Oh, yeah. We've never made that shirt. Oh, this is AI. But it took me it took me more than half a second. When I glanced over. Yeah. I moved away from the bike. Sorry. When I glanced over, I first thought like, really? He's going to promote like someone's tweet of a video collab. That's a weird way to do that. And then when I saw it over there, I was like, oh, yeah, it's just not real. You can kind of tell in your face. It's pretty good. Yeah. You can kind of tell. My teeth aren't right, but it's like, it's nailed the earrings.

2:11:20It's nailed the old hairstyle. It's the old, it's my younger Linus hairstyle on my older Linus face. Yeah. So there's little things like that. But the hands are pretty good. It even has my wedding band. Yeah. Which is pretty wild. You would never wear an anti-static strap. I have. Fake news. I have. Fake news. At times. um the the continuity of things is somewhat kind of believable in some cases like that looks like a real tool what is that not one for building pcs but a tool of some sort blue thing on the mat i think that's a measuring tape okay it doesn't know what tools people use for building pcs it doesn't know what exactly pc like desktop pc cables look like but this could look like an electronics cable of some sort this too somewhat believable it uh it screwed up where gpus go because they go more up here and less like right against the the bottom grill of a pc yeah um the case looks pretty good the case looks pretty believable i can see the bottom of the case looking like that all the logos are pretty good pretty good for the most part you know this looks a little funky it's trying to do shiny and it doesn't really know it doesn't really know how to handle the lighting it to me honestly when you zoomed in there it felt like they were trying to do like a wafer texture oh okay yeah sure yeah the hands the hands though they're not bad this pinky looks a little off but it also just looks like she could like kind of have it up here like that yeah this is a little weird no it's just squished against the fan but not not that weird um man anyway so the video is about following up the one we did five years ago where we deep faked me on short circuit and then made the ltt about how we did it um the main focus this time is hey that thing we did before you can totally still do that by the way it's way easier like way easier and it's not necessarily easy to do like what we did where i uh did we end up using the clips where i juggle computers i can't remember oh um yeah those things might be a little bit more difficult i've heard the argument of like doing this first frame last frame thing isn't going to be viable i i think that is so completely wrong what do you mean by viable i i've i've heard an argument okay so this idea is you get the first frame and the last frame and then you can kind of gen the things between it yeah um my argument is that i think the way a lot of this is going to be used is to change things that exist which is exactly how that would work oh oh so when you say oh so people are saying it won't be viable to get a first frame and a last frame to make someone do something that they wouldn't do No, I...

2:14:21That is absolutely a thing. I totally agree, especially because most of what it's being used for right now by scammers is to make people say something that they didn't say. Yeah. And if all you need is a frame of them sitting in a place with their mouth closed, you could even use the same frame for your first and last frame. So we did end up going full challenge. So we don't have to have the audio playing, but basically the first line is, my mom always told me that building a computer is not enough. You have to learn to juggle computers. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's why I take Linus pills.

2:14:58And like, I can tell here for sure, but that's great. Like you're, yeah, the mouth was a little weird there. You morph here. In my opinion, it gets you confused and like you turn it to David right there. Right there, right at the end when you're walking through the door. You're like physiology changes. But this is crazy, dude. that's crazy man um that's actually nuts again i can tell but like oh not by a ton and if i wasn't really paying attention if it was side monitor content whatever i might not really have noticed that's what we're kind of hoping to get people with when when this goes live on youtube yeah is if they're not like really paying attention it's like wait what like yeah and and with the idea being that we're kind of highlighting how you know how good it's gotten and also just again how easy it's gotten um the last uh stay the past that this isn't very well done either that can be made perfectly i haven't seen one ever so i don't necessarily agree uh perfectly yeah i don't i don't agree with that yeah i don't i've never seen one done perfectly i'd love to see it uh stay the path if you want to go ahead and throw that in the chat we'd we'd love to check out yeah you don't know when you don't know what what do you but like you need to give you you have to give an example and remember it's a lot simpler to do something where somebody's just sitting that might look so convincing that you would say oh yeah that generated video looks looks perfect um but something where people move and interact with other objects and stuff okay well it's the it's the um you can't prove me wrong oh yeah that's not how that works the burden of proof is on the person making the claim yeah that's like a that's a fundamental law of arguments yeah uh okay also in other news uh we have what is with all these floatplane exclusives he has me announcing uh james's theater room is better than linus's linus never invited me to his theater room that is so not true he never did that is a hundred percent not true the theater room was part of like lands and uh and and uh pool parties at my house sammy wasn't invited sammy was a hundred percent invited never been invited there was a on the there's a footnote on the invite that specifically said if your name is sammy you you're not invited it was pretty explicit specifically not true it was pretty explicit yeah anyway the handbook actually page four subsection six see dan knows it off dome because he has to keep sammy away from things all the time yeah it's actually part of my responsibility is yep you guys are ridiculous um just like sammy if you let him in a theater room it gets ugly in other float plane news uh we are going to be having a price increase on float plane but the dock that i am supposed to i can figure this out uh i can share it for you if you want i do not have access to so i would love to i would love to walk you guys through how it's going to work but i cannot so in the meantime why don't i run through our sponsors and we'll get to that in a moment the show is brought to today by woojer when you're the world-renowned action star linus tech wick you know how much precision and immersion matters sure you can have your monitors your controller vibration your nice speakers but thanks to woojer's vest 4 you can now feel the action in your games it's a high-fidelity haptic vest that hooks up to any device via bluetooth a three and a half millimeter jack or usb-c and sound gets translated into a physical sensation so when a grenade goes off in your favorite keanu movie you don't just hear it you'll feel that impact in your chest and it's not just generic vibrations with a one hertz to 250 hertz frequency range a low bassy 30 hertz it's pretty different compared to a higher pitched frequency plus six transducers spaced around your torso give you 360 degrees of said immersion it even lasts through long gaming sessions with its 10 hour battery life so keep your hands off my dog and get your hands on a woojur4 vest at woojur.com slash when the show is also brought to you by squarespace when you're building anything whether it's a skyscraper or a side hustle the right tools can be a game changer and whether you're working in construction video production or liposuction i don't know where that one comes in but whatever you're doing it's important to have a website please tell me you don't have footage of liposuction uh don't show it thankfully you can count on squarespace to make a brand for your business.

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2:20:50What was that footage of someone breaking into a place?

2:20:55Neat.

2:20:59All right, Luke, did you get the thing? I did. You should be shared on it. Nice. Can you try to load it again? If not, I can just like hand you my phone, but you should be shared on it. You just offer to handy me your phone? Yes. nice nice all right we've talked about it we've teased it we're finally doing it the price of a monthly float plane subscription is going up but before you freak out yeah no not for you float plane subscribers both ogs and current full rate subscribers will be not affected by the price increase as long as they do not cancel and resubscribe. So how's this going to work?

2:21:50If you are a new or returning subscriber, the new prices will be$7.99 for the supporter tier and$12.99 for the supporter plus tier effective December 31st. That's right! If you are a subscriber before December 31st, you can lock in at our legacy rates of$5 and$10 for the two tiers, respectively. So you can go to lmg.gg slash floatplane right now to sign up. One quick sec. CatOS already pointed this out. We only talk about monthly prices here. There will be yearly ones as well. Yes, you are still grandfathered if you're on the yearly plan. It'll be okay. Yeah. Yeah, it's not... You don't have to switch to a monthly plan.

2:22:36No, no, no, no. And our yearly rates are just derived from our monthly rates. Yep. So it'll be fine. Well, I think it's, I don't want to say anything. You guys technically set the prices on Flowplane. It's up to the creator to set the prices. But I think what you guys did was 10 months effectively. I think so. Yeah. So like a$10 tier right now is$100 for the year because it's factored at 10 months. So it's not times 12, it's times 10. I don't know for sure that it'll be that way because I actually don't know what the annual rate is, but probably yeah um okay why well there are three reasons one was we took so long to do this because we had to wait until we had a clear roadmap for what floatplane would look like in 2026 and beyond you've seen some hints of it like early access for big series like scrapyard wars and secret shopper um you've seen black friday cyber monday early access to deals uh you've seen exciting floatplane exclusives like the jimmy fallon vlog um the why is when late series not to mention our themed weeks like Luke Week 2, which is coming in December.

2:23:39And now we're ready to bring more features, such as early access for some LTT videos, as well as badges. We do have more features in development, but we'll publicly announce them when they are closer to completion. Reason number the second for why now. We wanted to time the announcement so that folks could join at the old pricing during the best time to get deals on stuff, Black Friday, Cyber Monday. This gives new subscribers early access to ltd store deals on november 27th oh did i just announce when our black friday deals are going live uh i guess i guess i did i didn't write this alongside the four amazing linus torvold's exclusives that we have up right now on float plane including the first 10 minutes of the main video if you've been on the fence for a while we wanted to give you one more opportunity to get in at the best possible time and price reason number three for why we're doing this creating videos and running a hosting platform um they they don't have the same costs yesteryear and this year and neither do some of the major investments that we're making into content in the coming year like the tech house and one other quite large one that we have not announced yet some other time some other time not today but as as we're sticking to i'm going to insert here go slightly off script sorry sammy don't forget i got this we're all good nice i love off script land show yeah brace yourself dan yeah no it'll be fine um we we committed a long time ago to not increase the prices on people that were sticking around and that includes the og tier which is not getting affected by this at all in any way so hold on i don't know that for sure we have allowed OGs to unsubscribe and resubscribe at the OG rate in the past.

2:25:25We have. I don't know if that is the case anymore. So I'm going to have to get you guys an answer on that. They can be separate. They can be separate. So it depends on the business logic. Oh, I know they can, but I don't know if we are, I don't know if we're committed. Have we committed to that? I, oh. I actually don't know. I don't technically know, but we should not change it if we committed to it. So yeah, we need to figure out if we've committed to it but i didn't see it messaged clearly in here so i was leaving it intentionally ambiguous for now while i go back and find out yeah we shouldn't change how we treat oh geez why no annual plan for the ogs there are complications there and it's already discounted so it's already cheaper than well okay but that's not entirely there are reasons why it might be better for it like as people have pointed out for the og tier you could do a 12 month yearly plan so that they don't get the discount for the yearly but it's still better for certain people in certain areas because getting dinged for currency conversions and certain other things might be really beneficial it's also technically beneficial for us oh i know it's beneficial for us because we wouldn't get a significant amount of payment processor charges but i thought there was a technical reason why it was really challenging there is that might be no longer a thing oh okay fairly soon i don't know we're planning on looking at payments again soon here this is great uh ed zim says every og is now going back through hours of when shows for proof yeah so if we if we committed to that in the past we're not we're not messing with that we're not we're not gonna yeah we're not gonna change and we're not messing with anyone who is already subscribed you will not get a price increase and to be clear on a technical level um because of technical errors that might result in cancellations and stuff like if you run into a problem just contact support yeah anyway carrying on we've kept our prices steady for a really long time uh i think the last time we increased them was shoot i think that was in an earlier version of the draft for this i want i don't remember so i'm not gonna i'm not gonna say anything i no i i think i think it was 2018 was that the last time we increased pricing i don't remember don't worry about it anyway we've kept our pricing steady for a long time while our costs have risen but at some point we're shooting ourselves in the foot if we don't try to catch up and looking at other paid subscription platforms like patreon we don't feel that the new rates are out of line with all that said all of that said we know that times are tough for many people out there right now and we are always consistent in telling people choose yourself over our extra content okay priorities food on the table roof over the head cool lmg extras and merch in that order uh we also plan on uploading this segment to our clips channel lmg clips was the plan for this to be a video well anyway uh thank you oh right i guess i just did it thank you everyone for supporting float plane and the rest of the lmg team if you guys want to subscribe it's a great time lmg.gg slash float plane dark 24 said yes you said OG could unsubscribe and resub at OG tier.

2:28:37We'll figure that out. I'm pretty sure we did. I think we might've put a fixed grace period on it. Like it might be like three months or something, but either way, we're not going to take anything back from the OG tier. It's not how we roll. It's not going to happen. That's not the trust me, bro guarantee. And we have, we have been dealing with it that way. So I think it makes sense to keep it going that way. I don't know if it's like literally forever, but it might be, this one might not operate that way. I don't think this one does. This one explicitly does not. Yeah, okay. If you are subscribed at a$5 tier right now...

2:29:11The OG tier is a special thing. You are locking that in, and you don't re-subscribe at that tier. It is new. If you are a new subscriber after December 31st, or a returning subscriber, it will be at the new rate. That I know for sure. There's some people asking what the OG tier is, or how you even get it, and whatever. So the way you got it was by subscribing to Floatplane on the LTT forum. and then transferring over this part was actually important because you had to transfer over to the floatplane site before a certain date the window was pretty big and because floatplane was technically a separate legal entity and run through a different payment processor we couldn't we couldn't just migrate it automatically so in order to reduce the amount of attrition from asking people to like re-input their payment methods and sign up on a new website and just purely thanking people for dealing with it when it was in the state it was on the forum yeah we we made it very affordable um yeah yeah we get og badges the the badges stuff is a feature that the floatplane team is making it will appear in a variety of ways throughout the platform chat and comments and how it gets managed is a little bit currently still up in the air it's a feature that's coming it's you're you know you're not going to be able to display an infinite amount of badges so we're gonna have to decide how many you can show at a time there might be a difference between that number for for live or comments or something not necessarily sure you might get badges for a variety of different things We'll probably go with the classic, like has been subscribed for X number of months scaling badge that like changes based on how many months that is.

2:30:58There will probably be an OG badge. It would make sense if you got different badges for being around at certain times potentially or whatever. There's lots of examples of how this is handled all throughout the internet. So we will learn from those. But yeah, badges are coming. Uh, Ninja Man Away has a really good question. Will we still be able to temporarily change plans for one of the events you ran? You had to go to a higher tier for the behind the scenes and event footage. Is that still an option? I don't want to give you an answer for that right now. We need to figure that out because I'm, I'm not sure.

2:31:38Uh, like at your locked in rate kind of thing. Yeah. The way. Yeah. I don't think we should give an answer on that today. I should check with Colton and Sammy. I have a strong idea of how that would work, but I will refrain until we figure it out. Yeah, that's a really great question, though. It's a great question. Yeah. Rip Vessel by East One. Rip Vessel, indeed. Still wear my Vessel shirt every once in a while. Oh, wait, no, I'm thinking of my Jibo shirt. I used to have my Vessel shirt in my PJ. My Vessel shirt is lost. It makes me very sad, but I still have my Vessel toque. Dude, okay, that's why I had Vessel in the mind.

2:32:15I wore my Vessel toque a week ago. Nice. Yeah, we went to see this Christmas lights display at Bear Creek Park, and I was wearing my vessel toke. I was like, yo, this is so cool and nobody knows.

2:32:29All right. Something that's not as cool. We have an update on Rebels attempted collaboration with Core Devices, a.k.a. Pebble. So there's some smartwatch drama. pebble the once discontinued well first acquired by google are acquired by acquired by fitbit which was then acquired by google i think is how it went feel free to correct me if i'm wrong in the comments but ultimately discontinued the once discontinued fan favorite smartwatch seemed to be thriving after its revival until a rift opened between core devices the new hardware company that's led by Pebble founder Eric Mijakovsky, and Rebel, the volunteer nonprofit that has kept Pebble's cloud services, app store, and developer ecosystem alive since 2018.

2:33:24Just weeks ago, the two groups publicly announced a partnership. Core would build a modern app store portal, or a modern app store front end for its new watches. Rebel would continue running the backend services and developer portal, and together they would support the entire ecosystem, old and new. But that agreement quickly fell apart over who should control the roughly 13 ,000 legacy apps and watch faces that were originally uploaded to Pebble's store before the company shut down. Rebel says that Core demanded unrestricted rights to the entire dataset, potentially allowing Core to build a closed Core-only app store and leave the non-profit that maintains the platform behind.

2:34:10And they also claim that after delaying a scheduled meeting, Eric scraped their servers in violation of a previous agreement about data access. Core, meanwhile, disputes this claim. They argue that the apps were created by individual developers, not by Rebel, and that they shouldn't be locked behind any one organization after Pebble's collapse. Eric says the goal is a neutral public archive, ideally on something like archive.org, so that the ecosystem can't be held hostage by a single gatekeeper. After the scraping accusation, Eric claims that he built a web app to allow him an easier time browsing watch faces, only showing screenshots and allowing him to click on them.

2:34:52Apparently, it did not download any data.

2:34:58I don't think, you know, I don't have personal relationships with any of the people involved in this. I had one quick call with Eric when he said that they were bringing it back. And I was I in contact with anyone from rebel. I don't know, but I thought the project was super cool. So other than that, I, I, other than thinking it's super cool. I, I don't really have a major horse in this race between the two of them, but the race that I do have a horse in is that overall, I think pebble and the mission is super cool. I think the Rebel group is super cool, the way that they maintained this and made these devices usable for folks when official support was dropped by Google.

2:35:38I think that's all super cool. I would like to ask, plead even, in the nicest way that I possibly can for y 'all to please find a way to get along because I think y 'all are really great. and hopefully this is a misunderstanding

2:36:04I actually have my new pebble right here that I have just been kind of dragging my butt on getting installed and getting on my wrist but I'm going to do it I'm going to do it this weekend and I want to feel good about it I want to feel good about supporting these devices it's going to be sick and please, please all be chill and get along. Is Dan the one leaving a comment asking about those questions people had? Dan, is that what you're doing? Pardon? On the float plane pricing, you highlighted the float plane price increase announcement. Oh, I was just striking it through because we finished it.

2:36:41Oh, neat. Okay, well, I'm going to leave a comment. Yeah, cool. I can do the next topic if you want to do that. Let me find one. Microsoft will appeal a ruling against them in the UK. Microsoft will appeal to the UK competition, uh, appeal tribunal for a ruling against Microsoft, which states that consumers are allowed to resell licenses such as windows or office licenses. This ruling came into effect in 2021 when a UK based business named value licensing sued Microsoft over the ability to redistribute licensed products from them. Uh, The case is far from over as Microsoft continues to battle this decision.

2:37:23But if Microsoft loses, it will have to pay 270 million pounds. Wow. Okay. Yeah, we did the same thing. In damages to value licensing. Yeah. Crazy. Discussion question. For a company that seems to be okay with how much people pirate slash get Windows licenses free anyways, except for apparently now. Hold on. Actually, no. They just closed the loophole for that. Recent news. Yeah. Yeah. That's like maybe the next topic. Actually, yeah, it could be. Why is Microsoft putting so much effort into this? Maybe because they're pulling back on it. Yeah, it seems like they're getting less chill about people just running the software and activating it with a tool that they quickly grabbed on GitHub or realistically not even a tool.

2:38:07It's just a command you run.

2:38:12So. Speaking of which. Well, no, I want to talk about this. The reason that I highlighted this was this could be a game changer. No, no, this. The thing you just said. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Like, this could be wild. Maybe I'm misunderstanding here, but is this basically the UK Competition Appeal Tribunal, is this is this basically them saying that as a consumer i should be able to resell software that i only that i only licensed because that changes everything would that apply to steam games why not

2:39:02that could be huge and very excite console console games it's interesting it's very interesting um like we should be able to exactly nm white in float playing chat i believe that if i bought a copy of doom eternal and i'm done with it i should be able to sell it and it's about time whoop it's about time that some legal it's really lucky yeah it's it's empty it's about time that some legal entity agreed with that and and the way that software companies have always hid from this is that it's a license. You didn't purchase it. You licensed it. Well, so what? Now they're going to license it. I'm done licensing it now.

2:40:02Am I missing something here? Or is this potentially a crack in the armor that could be crowbarred into and wedged open here? Yeah, yeah, Pankratz in chat. David Pankratz brings up that physical copies of games were also licenses, weren't they? I think it was a license to the software that was on the physical copy, yeah. Yeah, and yet those could be sold. Yeah, man, the ramifications of this on the gaming industry will be, if this happens, the ramifications of this mostly on the gaming industry will be really interesting. and potentially extremely destructive. But we'll see. We'll see how that goes.

2:40:55I do wonder how much this would turn into... Oh, man. People might not want to hear this. I think this would turn into a lot of perverse incentives for developers. Subscriptions! To do subscriptions, live service things, paid time to access. Like maybe you can play part of a game, but the really good part is only accessible if you pay for a certain period of time. It'll effectively like put in a token, like an old arcade machine. Like there is, because honestly, if you, like this would also create a weird incentive for gamers because you talk about Doom Eternal, right? So what if you book two days off of work, you buy Doom Eternal you beat the whole thing immediately and put it up on the market for $5 less than the full price there is no degradation in quality in your version of the license because like if you're buying a used game here's a crazy idea what if you commercialized the idea what if you got a small storefront and you put little boxes on all of the shelves right and in each of them you had some kind of physical representation of the game no hear me out this is a crazy business model You could even say it's a blockbuster business model Okay, people come through the door They can browse They can browse all the available games They bring them up to the counter You temporarily sell them The game license, you know, so you take Like a There is extremely Massive differences between What's happening, what you're describing What is the word I'm looking for here Collateral You take the full cost of the game for collateral And then when they're done with them when they're done with it you give them back everything but i don't know like a reasonable like maybe like five dollars or something like that and you buy it back from them yeah what would prevent that if we could transfer licenses we could go back to video game rentals except it's all digital yeah but you could still do it i'm not saying you couldn't do it i'm saying i'm talking about the destruction of the debt not destruction the damage or change significant change on the video game industry and how and how people no i'm just i'm just showing you how that would like it would escalate it would get would go back to the old days you could literally rent a game you could literally rent a game yeah and it would all it would take is think how this would function digitally you could absolutely rent a game and how trendy would that video game rental store be how many tiktoks would there be if they did it up nice and they had like physical you don't even have to do a physical version no no but it doesn't matter a physical version would fail to the digital version immediately it's not about fail or not fail it's about how trendy and cool would it be i think it'd be trendy and cool for like two weeks dude you're talking to a world that has re-embraced vinyl records stop yeah and willow video does exist as yeah of course it does i think it was pankrats pointed out but there's only one i think yeah but and i love it and i it out all the time and i yeah hopefully they keep doing well i think it i i think that someone who makes it like crazy trendy and cool to go there and has like like you know a gotcha like claw machine thing with a bunch of cool video with a bunch of stupid like amiibos in it and stuff and like makes it a whole experience dude i think it would absolutely slap in the right market like i i think somewhere like well i'm trying to figure out every time i've been to willow lately there's a lot of people in there i'm trying to figure out where sick because like in japan the whole like digital licensing thing is just not as cool like i don't think you could make it trendy there i'm trying to think like where this like kind of physical representation of the digital licenses that we have in stock could like kind of work and maybe it's dumb maybe it wouldn't work but i just i could see it i could see people making tiktoks about it if you could rent i'm at video game rental store if you could rent computer games i feel like people around here would do it i think so so uh denoli says with current steam refund policy you can rent any steam game for two hours for free that's true but that's totally different because what you would do when you rented a game back when we were the youngins is you'd rent it for a period of time that you decide on so you would rent it for one day and that was cheaper or you'd rent a two-day rental was more expensive and then a one week rental was like you're kind of dumb you should probably just buy it um so what you would do is after school on friday you would go rent it and then as long as you had it back in the drop-off box by sunday night then you had as long as you didn't feel like sleeping on friday or saturday night you had like you know 48 whole hours to play the whole game and experience everything um what a what a time to be alive it was fun um but yeah i think honestly i i support the the freedom behind the idea wholeheartedly i just don't know if i'm reading too much into this I think it would be, I think the ultimate result on how the gaming industry operates would probably be a negative for most people.

2:46:20I don't necessarily think. Are we headed that way anyway? Yeah, that's a good argument. It's a good argument. But like, look at Claire Obscure. It's doing super well right now. It's up for like a ton of awards. It's a single player game. I haven't played it myself, but as far as my understanding goes, it's a single player game. I don't know how long it takes to play but there's a huge incentive to just blast through it before the normies with jobs are able to buy it for the weekend and play and then resell your key and that is a significant portion of sales kept away and I understand this is the thing you can do with physical games the scale of it was nowhere near the same because you could just have another digital storefront Or maybe a place like Steam just builds it into the platform the same way that they do with Steam trading cards and everything else.

2:47:14And then they take another little skim off the top, just like a reselling store. I'll have to pee if you feel that though. So it's a double-edged sword. Just like a GameStop or whatever would. They're going to take some off the top and then it's going to resell. But that resell is not going to ping back to the developer of the game. it's just gonna ping back to valve which already makes 10 quibillion dollars per employee unless valve went good guy and did share it with the developer which they could they do i yeah i know they do have that power they've done good guy stuff before maybe they'll share a little percentage but it's not a full fat sale like it would be otherwise what if they took 30 then would you be okay with it what if they just took their 30 for being a being a an enabler it's still a reduction in sale for the developer oh yeah probably i mean here's the thing though i mean let's come let's come back to talking about sock warranties again because everyone was enjoying that so much a big part of why that works like do you think that darn tough could survive if literally everyone wore their socks for 10 years and then got a warranty refund i can give you the answer the answer is no like it's not yeah but it's not viable game sales do like let's start really high it just released and go boom this is this well sort of a cyberpunk so i okay i don't want to be that guy who's like exceptional to be in that guy okay i i realized it i realized it okay and i don't want to be that guy okay um but i do not wrong but i do think that a single player experience i i do think it's a reasonably close analog to something okay no they've added a lot of content okay okay that's fair that's fair and they did they did that's fair well how many times do i have to say how many times do i have to say i'm being that guy for basically years okay how many times do i have to say i'm being that guy okay i i i own it i don't know i'd really like to hear from someone who's like actually in the industry what they think about this because i'm very much taking an outside view well we're taking a consumer view right well i'm trying to not is basically what I'm doing.

2:49:27I'm trying to like as a consumer. Yeah, dude, I bought it. Screw off. I should be able to resell it. Totally. Then I'm trying to step back for a second and be like, what does this do incentive wise? And that's a dangerous thing to do because if you do that every time you just live in a horrible corporate Omega corporate world where everything is bent over for companies, you know, so I'm not trying to do that. I'm trying to be careful, but I'm wondering like if this happens what does that what what do we see in the gaming industry 10 years from now if this happens what types of games are developed what are the incentives for the developers to make them um and you know what maybe someone like the bg3 devs are just chatted out of their minds and don't care at all um but i i do think this would change things like you said are those things already happening anyways is it even relevant i don't know i'm not sure i i do also wonder would this disproportionately hurt small devs oh i i think that's very possible i think that it probably would i'm trying to find something right now um mechanic i'm searching on the i'm searching on the subreddit why is it what no not all time the past week here here we go here we go so what the point i was trying to make with the socks is that let's bring it back to the socks again uh the the point that i was trying to make with it is that most people won't do that even if they do have the warranty most people won't bother um and this is a oh my whole problem with it is that it's too easy that's my whole point with the brick and mortars if i can just go on steam and if i if i go on steam and right click on the game and click sell at market rate and it's just done it's way too easy this is my whole point with the reason the fact that it's digital it's online is the gap.

2:51:15So if it was the physical store that you had to come into, would you be more supportive of it? Yeah. So you just think it needs like a, it needs friction. Yes. Okay. I think that's fair. And I don't, I don't know how you solve for that. Because yeah, everyone has kind of a different perspective on This was a really interesting post. Feeling like they've gotten their money's worth. So this guy posted that it's broken. But he's not mad. he's actually stoked which is like kind of wild to think about yeah but if you scroll down to uh one of his replies to someone uh where's the op tag uh ah yeah here we go well yeah here like i'm not mad in my 10 years as a mechanic i've used all brands of ratcheting screwdrivers including a 200 competitor none of them last more than six to ten months three years and still semi-usable is absolutely impressive.

2:52:11And so this is the kind of person that, you know, I would hope that these game developers would have backing their product. I would hope, right, someone that played the game, enjoyed the crap out of it, and went, you know what? I could trade this in, but I'm going to keep it. And I'm going to just leave them with all of my money. Because it was not, it was not this guy's intention to contact support at all. Like it wasn't it wasn't one of those posts where someone's like my thing broke What do you guys think should I contact support and then people like yes? Obviously, what are you even posting about it for here like it?

2:52:50This thread did not have that first saw the picture I thought it was just another one of those and then I reread the title like three times and was like huh And then clicked on the thread and thought it was really cool. Yeah, no, but he's not he's not mad at all Yeah, we just have a lot of those threads. I mean, not that many for how many screwdrivers we've sold. No, for sure. I mean, for literally any product or any situation ever. Yep. But yeah, so I would like to think that even if they had a policy that enabled people to resell, or even if Costco had a return policy that allowed you to warranty anything, I would hope that people would also just like kind of have the good faith common sense to not bring back a 20 year old poster.

2:53:41This is a whole thing. People absolutely do that. People abuse the heck out of Costco. And then you have to bake it into your margins and then everybody pays for it. Yeah. I know this is why you like what you call high trust societies. Yes. Fantastic. Yeah. The best. Yeah. So based. we have we talked about that on when show at all i don't know just like the experience of of going to a family mart in you know taipei or in japan and walking through the door and seeing someone's macbook sitting on the little like round coffee table that's at the that's near the entrance while the owner of said macbook is off grabbing a snack so that they can go pay for it and then sit and use their laptop and enjoy their snack or their drink and marveling that that would never happen at home yeah that macbook would be gone and uh

2:54:45it's so cool yeah i i i wish that i lived somewhere like that sometimes and i don't think you know we are far from the furthest from that oh yeah 100 i like i just leave my badminton bag on a bench and I'll walk like six courts away. Even the fact that in most situations if there's someone sitting there, you can ask them, hey, do you mind watching my stuff? And that is actually fine. It's like pretty great to be completely honest compared to like a lot of places. So like it's, we're doing alright. But it's Taiwan, Japan, there's certain places that are another level. And it It feels really cool to be there and partake in that.

2:55:30And there's different ways of achieving that. Like, I remember accidentally leaving my wallet. It was either my wallet or my phone. It was something very valuable and important. And I was very distressed to not have it. And I left it in a cab in Singapore. And Yvonne's family member who lives there, basically with 100 % confidence said, you will get it back. and I was like there's no way the cabbie's just gonna say they don't have it they're gonna like they'll just like take the money out first and then return it to me and he was like no you will get it back and I was like you got to be kidding me very very recently prior I had lost like a hundreds of dollars coat you and I both have like a similar coat story where we once treated ourselves to a nice overcoat and then immediately lost it I left it in a cab in in vegas and buddy was just like yeah yeah i wasn't there wasn't there and like sure yeah okay um i had it back within like 90 minutes because they went back to the dispatch found it and like we're basically like like waiting for my call to to tell me that they had it and when when i visited singapore i've been there twice now well if i've been there twice the second time we didn't we man i was over yeah i was over in southeast asia recently did we go to singapore no we saw you on singapore family which is why i was confused we saw her family that lives there but we didn't go there um so yeah when i went to singapore the one time um i almost got like kind of like a stepford wives kind of vibe okay like everything is too perfect okay i've never been to singapore um and like you guys can let me know if you think maybe i was just maybe maybe i was biased by just knowing that they can they they like come down hard on stuff um but i just i don't know i just got this kind of like i got this kind of weird i got this kind of weird vibe um yeah i mean Etzame says, I mean, you weren't not biased.

2:57:42I mean, yeah, that's fair enough. It's Hurley Time says, I was there 20 years ago. I got the same kind of vibe. Yeah, okay. I have no idea. what i just know like in in in taiwan for example i will be downtown taipei and walk down small weird alleyways between buildings and feel a relatively deep sense of comfort and knowing that like i might exit this alleyway to a a park with little old ladies doing tai chi at one in the morning for some reason and they will all feel safe and comfortable it's not just me for whatever reason to be clear we're not saying they don't have any crime no they don't have any mental illness or people who you know do all of that stuff exists everywhere in the world people are people are messy creatures and it doesn't matter you know what country they live in or the color of their skin or whatever else people are messy um but i do think that there are there are different approaches to society building some of which create a higher trust society and some of which create a lower trust society and there those are definitely a couple places that have stood out to me as yeah feeling very high trust yeah and like gold gold balls on in flow playing chat said Luke must be a giant over there um right but like bullets and knives don't care it's true so so like you you shouldn't be overconfident in your like size when it comes to getting jumped in an alley like even even like a baton I would be I would be a lot I'd be a lot less scared of Luke if I had like a nightstick like honestly break a bone yeah pretty quick with those anytime he put anything anywhere near me it would be like whack it with that and that paired with the badminton skills like he would if he if he knows how to fight then i'm done because he'll close the distance right but if he doesn't just size is not enough right like it's it's amazing what a difference just a small hard heavy object can make um and so yeah don't be stop tell me more about that small hard and heavy it's dense man it's dense thick you gonna hit me with your thick stick little man the point is just that him feeling safe is not just about him being sort of large for over there.

3:00:36Yeah, it was because there was a very high level of confidence, not in myself, but in the society that I was in. I also feel really safe there, and I'm not Luke's size. So make that make of that what you will. All right. Microsoft has killed another Windows activation workaround while they're weathering backlash over recent agentic OS endeavors. Windows has shut down a windows activation workaround by pushing back-end changes that broke kms 38 based activations which used the masquerade popularized method that let users keep windows and office running indefinitely without actually paying for them users on these fake installs noticed deactivations right after their devices grabbed the latest extended security update even people who did buy windows weren't spared with some business windows 10 users who installed this week's update finding their systems rolling back to the previous build after rebooting, silently failing to apply the patch at all.

3:01:34That probably wasn't intended. Yeah. In other news, Microsoft heard that the public is not interested in Windows becoming an agentic OS, but they think they can change the public's mind by talking about it more in a support article. The article explains how secure AI agent workspaces will give agents access to shared folders and allow them to work in the background for you, completing tasks while you do other, I don't know, like human things. Scroll TikTok. Wow. What is it going to be doing? What do they think it's going to be doing? I don't know, but the funny part is that a version of this completely controlled by the user with user dials and knobs of being able to control what it can access and what it can do and all that kind of stuff in Linux could actually be super sick.

3:02:28I don't trust Microsoft to do it properly at all and wouldn't want to touch it at all. It reminds me a lot of Recall which is like clearly and obviously **** it. You did not do that right? Did I not? No. Did I lift it too early? Yeah. Nice. Nice. You're not the only one who feels that way. An intrepid writer from The Verge took one for the team and spent a week trying to interact with Copilot the way Microsoft seems to want us to, and found that Copilot made his, and this is a direct quote, computer feel incompetent. I didn't know that was, that's fantastic. And yet, we are being warned that one of the things it is competent enough to do is install malware, as Microsoft's own article states that these kinds of agents would still be vulnerable to malicious prompts that may be embedded in emails, documents, or webpages.

3:03:24So our discussion question. We're going to bring Dan in for this one. Hi. Where in an operating system do you think an AI agent could be helpful to you? Imagine what you want your AI agent to do. Navigate the two separate settings menus. Okay, let's put him away. That's actually very funny. That's a pretty good point. It's also kind of serious. Sometimes I want to adjust the settings on my computer. I would like to just have... Have it do that. But the second they give the agent that kind of system level access, then it's extremely dangerous. Hey, can you switch it to output 5.6 on the headphone mix for me, please?

3:04:07It's not coming through Chrome properly. That sounds great. Yeah. But there's no way that we could allow an incompetently managed agent that level of access. Hell yeah. Yeah, I think there's stuff like that. That's my comment. Well, I think one of the primary ways that AI stuff is currently used is search. Using it for like really advanced search and search related tasks would be fine. Like, hey, find all the videos on my S drive that have this type of content in them and move them into this folder. I want to start editing a video based on that soon. um one of the things that you know i'd love an agentic os to do is for me to be able to just say i need to be in uh los angeles for a collab on uh december the 9th find me the travel arrangements that um have me there for the least amount of time because i need to get back to my family for um my daughter's something or whatever um but the problem with mine is that I don't need my OS to do that.

3:05:11So, well, actually, there's two problems with mine. Problem number one is that I don't need my OS to do that. That could be... You have an LLV. A what, sorry? Large language Vance? Well, no, no, no. That's not... That's actually not one of the problems I was going to bring up. I don't need an app to do that because my browser should do that. Or an app. Oh, yeah. Or an app to do... I don't need my OS to do that. That's just the wackiness of modern computing, which is that it's like all in the browser. Yeah, I don't need my operating system. Sorry, I said I don't need my app to do that. I misspoke.

3:05:41I don't need my operating system to do that. The other issue is that that use case only works if I put absolutely everything into my phone, which I will just never be disciplined enough to do. Because it can only know my schedule if I tell it everything. And your access to... I don't even want to live my life that scheduled. It's going to need to know where you're going to be on that day as well, which is why you're saying you need the schedule. Should I schedule time when I'm reading a book? Like who actually has their calendar filled out with enough detail that they would be able to say, make me a hair appointment and it probably wouldn't double book with something else that you might want to do.

3:06:31And I'm sure there's people out there that can function like that, but there is no way that I could. because there's always something i'm gonna get home i'm gonna think i have a gap and i'm gonna be like we're out of cat food get crazy too yeah we're out of kitty food i gotta go get some cat food and then it's just like well yeah no well i now i can't make it to this thing because like like am i supposed to schedule time to potentially maybe shop for a random house goods that i need like come on and what was the what was the what's the joke what am i missing what's oh because i do that you do what put everything in the calendar oh like everything but again adhd cope i tell people all the time if they ask me to like have a meeting or shoot a thing or do whatever if it's if it's work related at all i tell them every single time like you got to put that on calendar or else it will not exist and i will not show up i should set up a macro if It's just like, my calendar is public, book me.

3:07:33That's a... Oh, I see what you mean. There's a function in Google Calendar now to send someone a link where they can book on your calendar. I have that enabled too, but it's nice they ask. It's better if they just do it. Yeah, I don't even always agree because I'll have sections of my calendar where that's where I don't know that something's going to happen there. Book fake meetings. yeah i've done that before yeah i like need to blank out a spot just set it as busy and private yeah it works i guess i have done that before anyways i mean i guess the the ultimate goal right because the other part so aside from not being disciplined enough i just don't want absolutely everything that i do and every person that i see or talk to necessarily in my phone but their ultimate goal is obviously to have the microphone on all the time so that it just kind of already has the context of everything that i ever do and everywhere i ever want to be i just um you know i tried talking to wendell in what i'm guessing was 2015 maybe 2016 nice about solid year about building i remember predicting the future that year do you oh yeah what what did you say we both did what did we say we predicted the same future oh yeah i remember okay that was a good enough tip um i was i was working with him on this idea where i wanted to do at the time i think my plan was like dragon naturally speaking or whatever that program was i wanted to have that constantly running and writing to like uh uh, uh, some document.

3:09:22I think I remember you talking about this. Yeah. And then I wanted to scan the document, um, for keywords and then have home automations work off of the keywords and then have microphones distributed through my whole, your basement of the house you were renting me at the time. Right. Um, and then basically have it always listening, but always entirely local. And I didn't even want this computer exposed to the internet. I wanted it air gapped. Like there's no way this is only my stuff and it like auto deletes, whatever it does, all these different types of things, but running different home automations off of, off of that.

3:09:59What did you even want it to do? I don't remember. I just, I think I just wanted to make it work. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's fair enough. Cause that seems like a lot of why people bother to do home automation stuff is just for like the fun of it. Yeah. Um, I don't remember. I think I had some more specific things, but, um, yeah. and he kind of it was possible and he talked me through some of the problems that it would have and different things like that and then it didn't end up doing it for a variety of reasons but um oh a constant stream of dragon dictation would have been messy yeah he uh pointed that out um yeah it would be so people are saying home assistant does that now wendell has a video on it that's really interesting i didn't actually know i was gonna say we should look into doing something like that now for the tech house we will cool yeah we actually um what video is that there's a guy working on a thing that could be a more elegant way of implementing that that i'm not at liberty to discuss yet oh but we are uh maybe gonna like i don't know feature that thing because i would if it makes it to market love something like that it can't touch the internet at all yeah uh that's like his whole jam fantastic yeah it should be super cool because i i love like i've been to a few people's places recently um that have like an alexa setup or a whatever thing and they tie some automations to it and it's really cool um but i'm not putting that in my house yep so i hear you our next topic or wait what are we supposed to be doing when after dark How the heck are we supposed to transition to when after dark we still like five we have been live three and a half hours You've been live for three and a half hours.

3:11:49That is also correct boom roasted Should we blast through some stuff? I think we have some topics in here we can go through quickly I mean or we have some topics that are pretty big and important that we could get to yes What the flock? Yeah. Oh, wow. We do still have that topic. Okay YouTuber Ben Jordan has released a video demonstrating some serious security and privacy concerns with Flock Safety's license plate cameras and their public safety technology ecosystem. Flock Safety is an American manufacturer and operator of Automatic License Plate Readers, ALPRs, video surveillance, and gunfire locator systems with more than 80 ,000 of their cameras deployed in the U.S.

3:12:42Flock operates many of these systems under contract for thousands of police departments plus other agencies, neighborhood associations, and private property owners. The video builds on a white paper from independent security researcher John Gaines documenting more than 50 vulnerabilities in flock safety systems. The video reports that multiple flock safety accounts belonging to public safety authorities were found for sale on the dark web and notes that flock does not require two-factor authentication for some of their police department clients.

3:13:26it gets better researchers found that by pressing the button on a flock camera in a particular pattern you can enable a wireless access point on the device that's awesome after connecting to that access point an attacker can send a command to enable adb and then connect directly to the flock device allowing them to access all its data allowing them to install their own software and just generally use the device however they want. You know, there's a lot of different, this is a completely unrelated note, but there's been a lot of different sites that have started trapping different movement of like ICE vehicles and police activity and stuff.

3:14:06It would be... A real shame. If it just worked the opposite way that they had intended for it to work. Anyway, if connecting to that access point is too much effort, gains also created a tool to make it even easier for anyone to gain full control of one of these cameras gain says the longest part actually is waiting for the access point to turn on realistically about five seconds and it's not just the cameras if you're trying to take over one of flocks ai compute boxes so that's an edge processing device that's used as part of their license plate recognition system you don't even need to go to the trouble of turning on that access point the device's usbc port is just sitting there waiting for something to be plugged in and gain says you can just plug in a rubber ducky and walk away so a rubber ducky is a usb device that pretends to be a keyboard and then sends pre-programmed keystrokes to the target device we did a video about them a few years ago they're super cool and then once you have access you can literally do anything you want on the device including editing or outright replacing footage

3:15:16it gets better flocks apps are installed on their devices with debugging enabled nice which among other shenanigans means that execution can be paused mid-run and memory can be accessed and modified which yada yada yada leads to remote code execution with root privileges researchers also found that flock cameras had a concerning level of hard-coded data including a list of preferred wi-fi networks oh that's awesome so by setting up dummy access points with those network names and then blocking access to cellular data researchers were able to trick flock cameras into connecting to the dummy networks and then routing their traffic through them sick analyzing the traffic with the usual tools researchers found additional credentials being sent in clear text beautiful absolute cinema some of this stuff i wonder if it's like uh intentional like the developers working for flock are just like yeah this kind of statewide surveillance is fucked let's make sure this stuff sucks like is that one could hope i I don't know.

3:16:30I doubt it. Yeah. Never attribute to... I doubt it too. You know, whatever that could be adequately explained by stupidity. I hope there's at least one. If you want to go with a real old school attack, researchers also found considerable RF signal leakage coming from newer flock cameras and discovered that it was possible to use a modern version of a tempest attack to see the live view of the camera by simply isolating and decoding the camera data stream from the leaking RF signals. Dan, I've seen the comments. I know that there's a toucan somewhere in the frame, but my ability to can has been lost on this WAN show.

3:17:19I can't anymore. He's going to have to go. Where is he? I don't know I haven't been able to find him Sir Ability Toucan Farewell For the rest of this WAN show Because I do not have the ability Toucan anymore Because I can't And I'm not done yet The problems aren't Just in their hardware Researchers also found An exposed API key On a Flock demo site that shows some of the things that public safety agencies are storing in ArcGIS, a popular geographic information system, which, by the way, was recently found to be compromised by a Chinese state-sponsored hacking group. Of course it was. This means that any and all data that agencies are tracking in ArcGIS may be compromised, including personal information of officers and agents, live locations of patrol cars and suspect vehicles, and any other vehicle seen on one of Phlox's cameras, and so on and so forth.

3:18:24Believe it or not, we're not done yet. Or, well, we're done. But that's still just the tip of the iceberg. Go check out the video. Dan, if you want to drop it in all the chats from Ben Jordan or check out John Gaines' white paper. Both are excellent. U.S. Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon and Representative Raja of Illinois have requested that the FTC open an investigation of Flock Safety's cybersecurity practices. and if you want to see if any of these systems are being used near you you can check out the EFF's Atlas of Surveillance

3:19:05who could have possibly seen this coming I don't know not Flock, not with their army of cameras I do, I am wondering so Ben is also the person who did the whole I saved a PNG to a bird thing I know Diamond Dave pointed this out, but I was just kind of putting that together myself as well. Save a PNG to a bird. Walk. What's going on here? Ben has an interesting interest in birds. It's all bird related. Okay. He's trying to tell us. He is trying to tell us something. Are the power lines actually how they charge? The birds are surveillance is I think what's happening. I think they aren't real. Yeah, they might not be real.

3:19:48Wake up.

3:19:53If I take off my headphones, do I not have to listen to you people? No, I can still hear them. You can probably not hear me very well. Yeah, I can hear you just fine. Ben's stuff is awesome. Well, that's disappointing. Very, very cool video. Birds are the government. Stop it. Stop it all day. They are. That's why they won't move to underground power lines. I think the government would be running better. Because then they won't have any place to charge. No, the government would be running better if it was birds. How do you know it's not? Have you ever seen them? A bird? Yeah, you can't prove that.

3:20:26No, he means the government. Oh, the government. Same thing. Have I ever seen the government? Do you see what I mean? Could Mark Carney theoretically be an AI influencer? I've never seen him in person. I haven't either. That's a good take. None of us have seen him in person. Yeah, I mean, we live in the zero trust age. Here's a fun question. who's going to be the first VTuber president.

3:20:55If I hadn't already lost my ability to Ken, that would have done it. Miku for president. Oh, man. Okay. Anyways, continuing onwards. I mean, at least Hatsune Miku wouldn't have started a feud with China.

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3:24:20Earlier this year, Apple implemented a workaround to bring back the monitoring function by having the user's iPhone measure and calculate blood oxygen data. Massimo is now suing U.S. Customs and Border Protection over allowing Apple to do this. Massimo has also accused Apple of poaching its employees like their chief medical officer. Apple says they disagree with the verdict and will appeal. Can we talk about the concept of poaching? You can't own people. If someone's willing to pay someone more, then isn't that just like the free market? Am I missing something here? Like I do understand that people can be privy to trade secrets and there can be instances of corporate espionage where someone specifically gains a position in order to get access to data and bring it back somewhere else.

3:25:07I think there's also an idea where You could attack another company by constantly depleting them of human resources. That could be anti-competitive. And then firing them immediately? Well, no, if you hire them forever, then isn't it fine? What if you just poached all their employees and then fired them after two months? Well, no, I'm not saying it's a problem for the individuals involved being poached. I'm saying, like, if you're trying to operate as a business at another company. Yeah. What if, like, oh my. Are we saying that is the attack? is you take all their good employees. This is a fascinating idea.

3:25:43You don't have hiring at all. You have a competitor and you just trust their hiring process and then just offer anyone that gets hired there slightly more. Save your money on the hiring process. Your job board is their LinkedIn. That one looks nice. How much you make? I'll add 5%, 10%, 20%. It's like their hiring process is probably pretty rigorous. I mean, I'm sure people have thought of this. We'll take them. I mean, that was basically the entire developer circle jerk in Silicon Valley for... I think so. I mean, years. This is where I think mostly the term poaching comes from. It's not hiring one person.

3:26:20It's trying to like take an entire team, as far as my understanding goes. Like I know old school Silicon Valley, there was conversations about poaching when like, yeah, a company would want to spin up an arm of its own company would take an entire team. So you take a whole business unit out. Yeah, see, that's where I kind of, because on the one hand, like, I can completely see multiple facets or multiple angles of this. Like, from a worker angle, anything that restricts my mobility is bullshit. Oh, I don't think there should be restrictions put on it. Well, but I would say, I would say, I would feel as a worker that my mobility is restricted if you're employing me today and Dan could potentially be punished for poaching me.

3:27:12I'd say that restricts my mobility. Well, they're suing. No, they accuse them of it. Are they suing them for it? I don't think you can sue someone for poaching. Oh, okay. Okay, in that case, you know what? I misread this. I thought that there was some kind of implication that poaching was somehow not allowed or something. No, I think it's most... Oh, okay. That's like a gentlemanly? You can sue someone. Oh. Can you? Nope.

3:27:38It's typically based for a long... If the poached employee non-competes, non-solicitation, if the employee had a fiduciary obligation to the former company... Oh, okay. If the poached employee has access to valuable or confidential information. Okay. So, yeah, okay then. Yeah, okay, no, I'm going to come back to what I was saying. So what employee, name an employee at Linus Media Group that doesn't have access to any valuable or confidential information. That's so broad. But any employee anywhere for any company, technically. But it would have to be utilizable by the company that they're going to.

3:28:10Sure, but I mean, if I got hired to... That's literally the definition of relevant experience. Almost. There's a big difference between experience and information. Sure, but you gain a lot of information through experience, and you gain a lot of experience through the utilization of information. There's a difference. The type of information is important. And I'm not trying to form a nuanced take right now. I hear what you're saying. I'm trying to see it from one perspective. I don't know how to define it, but there's a dividing line in the type of information. There's definitely multiple definitions.

3:28:41It's like IP information. So definition number one is as a worker bee who's doing my bee work, yeah fuck anything that limits my mobility yeah and if there's any kind of restriction that prevents dan over here from hiring me for more than you're willing to pay me then basically that yeah so i i can i can see that perspective 100 yeah i can also see the perspective of like let's say a startup right a smaller a smaller entity going like well hold on this is bull spit because a company like, and I don't want to pick on anyone specific. So let's just say one of the magnificent, however many of them there are, you know, one of these like giant mega cap, hundreds of billions, or even like trillions of dollars valuation companies having just enough money to buy the earth and all the heavens, just coming in and strategically making it impossible for my company to function by effectively like, yeah, just kneecapping my ability to function by just hiring away absolutely everyone.

3:29:51Effectively does happen. Which is not anything that they've done wrong from like the worker's perspective, but from an antitrust and maintaining a true free market perspective, I could see being an actual problem. Yeah, I don't know how to deal with that. I don't know how to deal with that. I don't think you can. I don't think you can write a law that stops that from happening that doesn't end up with an outsized negative effect on the employees in this situation. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Because if you try to write a law that would cover that, it would unquestionably be abused in highly corporate favor.

3:30:40It would just end up being bad. There's a lot of cases like this, right? And I pretty much guarantee you that that has happened. Oh, yeah. I mean, 100%. There's just nothing you can do about it. Someone in chat pointed out, I'm flipping topics slightly. Someone in chat pointed out information that we could have that could be used by an outside group could be like a customer list. Oh, 100%. But one of the problems with something like a customer list is you're getting sued on both ends. The employee that left with that and then gave it over would be individually sued. And if the company that received it didn't immediately get rid of it and then go after the employee and like basically fire them, if they took that information and used it, you could also just sue them.

3:31:21Like that's actually just super not okay. But mostly for like the privacy of the user list reasons. But what if it wasn't a user list? What if it was my relationship list? Then where's the line between a user list? That one is interesting. That's in a database. Because I personally know people. And a relationship list that's in my phone. Which is also a database. Linus, you went to that factory tour and they made you blur that machine. I just memorized the name and model of that machine. I'm going to a similar company. Funky one. I'm going to a similar company. Like, from my last job, I took knowledge of what I did there and I apply it here.

3:31:59But knowledge of how to do a skill is not the thing that we're talking about. But knowledge of a piece of information. It's my industry, you know? Knowledge of how to do skill does not apply. software hardware what did what should we buy it would have to be like is that not knowledge right like and where does that blur if i just memorize the phone numbers in the contact list is that is that knowledge i literally know what machine we do lithography with you should buy that one i didn't take a list it's just that was the one that we used yeah i know that interesting pay me half a million a year please nipolis cage says a tiktoker just got sued and and lost or the the tiktoker who a tiktoker got sued and lost um for stealing someone's husband if you can win that case surely you could win a case against this now i think it was it was less about the actual like adultery and more about the tiktoker posting publicly about it and humiliating the wife okay yeah that is my understanding of that but i it was an interesting headline i don't know how that works to be honest isn't kidnapping just like actually oh wait it's basically stole my husband sorry that's why i laughed because that's kind of wait etzim says it's a specific georgia law and it is about the infidelity you've got to be kidding me that makes no much sense you can be sued for being a husband stealer you have is a wild place got to be kidding me wow this breeze says it's a pretty poorly executed court case.

3:33:28You've got to be kidding me. Oh, Nippalist Cage says North Carolina? Well, hold on. Ikea Cherry says Georgia. Husband poaching. Okay, come on, chat. Now you're just confusing me. Okay. We should move on. I don't know if any of us knows. Relationship secrets. I see myself as more of a sunny side up husband.

3:34:01Scrambled eggs. Actually poached.

3:34:10Are you going to have an egg pun? He did one. Did you? Not really. I said scrambled. It's not very good. i wanted you to give the ding to him not me yeah sorry bypassed i do not share in the reverberations this is exciting i um is it yeah because and i'll explain why actually i'll explain why after all right first i'll talk about it tesla is apparently considering integrating apple carplay this is not confirmed but unintentionally on reports call for wireless connectivity and it would be displayed within a windowed environment in the tesla infotainment system and this reconsideration of implementing carplay appears to be driven pun intended thank you um new probationary writer uh by apple abandoning plans to create its own electric car this is just another little tidbit carplay and android auto are considered essential by at least one-third or more of potential buyers i am one of them i consider those things essential and let me explain why potential buyer of a tesla i am excited about this okay um at any stage in tesla's journey from where they were to where they are today, I have never been open to driving one.

3:35:46And not driving one, but yeah, driving one. Well, okay, see, it's complicated. I bought one because my in-laws chose a Model Y when I told them they could have a car. And so I bought them a Model Y. So I've bought a Tesla, but I would never buy one for myself. They had to go to you for approval? And a major, sorry? You said that they could have a car? Well, I paid for it. I know I'm just messing the verse of wording of it was funny. They came to me and I told them they could have a car, I guess. What? No, it wasn't like that. They did a lot of childcare for us over the years. They were, they were hugely supportive and are a huge part of how Yvonne and I were able to be as successful as we were.

3:36:25They let us live there rent free for years. While we went to school and while we saved up to buy our first house together. so basically i was just paying them back yeah like yeah which is sick i just the way you were um so so anyway a major part of why i wouldn't consider a tesla is the locked down proprietary nature of their infotainment system sure because the writing was on the wall the day they locked it down they were going to control every aspect of this of the software of this car and the software of this car was going to control every aspect of the hardware. And so it was a matter of time, and we've talked about this many times over the years, before everything would be a flipping subscription or an unlock or a fee or whatever the case may be.

3:37:15And I'm not into that. I already have something with a bunch of subscriptions, including a wireless data subscription. And I would like to simply plug it into my car so that I don't have two of those things in my life, because one is enough and a major concern that i had about tesla's success was that they were having all of this success with this locked down infotainment system my lips really hurt don't laugh at me that's so mean i wasn't even going to until you said so i was doing fine it like the reason that i listened there was because this one like caught on the thing it's really painful right now they're like super swollen today um back of my throat swollen too but that's a separate issue um the point is it's been a major concern for me that tesla has managed to be so successful having broken from the the rest of the the crowd in in allowing this and And that they've become, or that they had become anyway, this like leader in electrification and in car software.

3:38:30And you can actually see their influence. That's what I was worried about. In the same way that even as a non-iPhone user, I get concerned when Apple does something that is unfriendly to interoperability between devices. Or that is not consumer friendly. I get concerned by that because as Apple does, the industry tends to follow. Do you think that is still true? I absolutely agree that it was. And for many years, Tesla was undisputably a leader in car software. I don't know that Rivian would have had the stones to say, no CarPlay, no Android Auto, if Tesla hadn't shown that there was a major customer base that was willing to overlook it.

3:39:18So, sorry, what were you going to ask? uh i wasn't gonna i was do you think there's still a a thought leader in the space at this point i still think that their software experience is ahead of where many other north american brands are i think that you know gm is like trying to build an infotainment solution into their cars that will rival tesla i i remember having just a stoop like i i probably i probably gave the guy a look unintentionally but when we were shopping for yvonne's new car and we were at the um and we were at the dealership and the guy goes like and yeah uh compared to yours which uses the like couple years older system the new one is so much more responsive look at this i was like that's still leggy as fuck like come on man they're like there's like 10 year old teslas that are more responsive than this you gotta be kidding me um anyway rep havoc in float plane chats tesla news is so damn boring then you aren't paying attention to it it's not yeah this this is not tesla news this is news about a potential shift in the mentality as gm is going in the direction explicitly going in the direction of reducing their interoperability with your device that you can plug in to have all your maps and stuff and moving toward explicitly doing that so that they can move toward more subscription revenue.

3:40:46Tesla, who has been a leader in the space of in-car software, whether you like them or not, okay? Doesn't matter. The point is they have been an industry leader and are apparently considering integrating Apple CarPlay. This is a big deal because competition is good. That's why. It's not about Tesla news. You've got to, I don't know. You've tried to see the bigger picture here. The bigger picture is any player who goes, oh yeah, there is simply no technological reason why I couldn't just run Android Auto or CarPlay within a window and maintain my infotainment system and give the user a choice. Every one of them that does that puts pressure on everyone else who locks things down and tries to turn your entire life into a f***ing subscription.

3:41:37It's good.

3:41:41that's why it matters um zeno 98 says not android auto yeah i'd be i'd be obviously bummed if you know it stayed that way but i do suspect that carplay would simply be what would come first and android auto would come later porsche did that it was carplay only for years and then they actually backported android auto into those cars um later on after the fact and i think the reason that they prioritized android auto is a very similar reason to why tesla would prioritize android auto and i think that the tesla and apple customer base is probably a very large overlapping venn diagram they're very similar sort of styles very similar approach tesla obviously emulated a lot of apple's um image in creating their products and in creating their brand how do you know how much it costs for a manufacturer when i was googling this i could only find aftermarket stuff or options sometimes but do you know how much it costs on the manufacturer's end to add you know carplay and android auto i don't think my understanding is it doesn't cost anything My understanding is that Google, I don't know about Apple, but on the Google side, my understanding is that it is so beneficial from an ecosystem and data collection standpoint that they will basically like help you do it is my understanding, but I could be wrong about that.

3:43:07Yeah, I don't know. Interesting. Oh, yeah. Hey, Samsung fridges display ads now.

3:43:20That's the worst. I will not buy imagine getting an Apple ad on your Samsung fridge and that being the least unnatural thing about this whole experience yeah I'm not buying a fridge with a screen our discussion question is who could have seen this coming everyone it's a slash ass I know I know I know that was it that's kind of all I have to say about that man there's been so many points when i would have lost serability toucan well maybe to give you something back uh i don't i don't think it's in our some good news doc but oh full punch that reminded me of it the libra pods thing oh yeah whatever it's called so it's cool um have you used it no because it requires a rooted phone at least for now is my understanding so it's pretty cool it unlocks some of the functions that apple um that apple locks by changing your device identification like your device id um essentially to apple so spoof being an apple device so this if nothing else what this does is it proves that there is no technological reason that apple couldn't allow these functions to exist on android but that they explicitly block them through allowing them only like allow listing them on apple devices and then not allowing it on anything that isn't a vendor id apple wild yeah interesting seriously like i mean i love my airpods i really really do we have a video coming full review AirPods Pro 3s, long-term review.

3:45:14I love AirPods. I hate being a second-class citizen because I don't own enough Apple products. So I daily drove them for part of it with an iPhone after I switched to the iPhone Air, and then I daily drove it for part of it with an Android phone. So I kind of had both experiences while I was using them. And there's a lot of really great features that are exclusive to AirPods that are paired to an iPhone, which makes the price of the AirPods Pro 3 is not$250, but starting at$800. And that would be with an iPhone, whatever the E one is, 16E, I think is their like most budget iPhone. It's not cheap anymore.

3:45:58This is cool. Yeah. Wait, where'd it go? Actually, this is both a couple of cool things. The Google Play Store will be flagging apps with high battery usage. App developers that plan on publishing through the Google Play Store, will have until March 1st, 2026 to update their apps to comply with a new Android vitals metric called excessive partial wake locks. This will allow the Play Store to flag apps that have high background activity that may cause battery draining. I love this. See, this, this is how you add value to the user to give your marketplace a reason to exist. Not just by locking developers and locking users into just one app marketplace.

3:46:40This is a competitive market, non-antitrust way to differentiate your marketplace. And this would make me, even if I had the choice to use multiple marketplaces, whether it's on iOS or whether it's on Android, this would make me more likely to want to use the first party one. And not just because you've locked me in so that you can get your 30 % cut or whatever. I really like this. I think it's super cool. and this one is no notes but just the uk is apparently banning reselling tickets for profit sick i love it i like can we all just love this yeah i don't think you're adding any uh you know benefit to society by doing that so sounds good yeah like seriously though i i don't think taylor swift wants her tickets marked up by third-party sellers it's not like she gets more money for it.

3:47:36Like, this is great. If you can't make it to a concert or whatever and you want to flip your tickets, that should absolutely be allowed. Yeah, whatever. But you do it for face value. Yeah, sure. That simple. Sweet.

3:47:48Love it. I wonder if there's going to be a horrible workaround. Like, I wonder if you could do it but have fees. There's always a workaround. You can buy this ticket. It's at face value. There's also$1 ,000 of fees. quattro forte says taylor does i really don't think she does i don't think she i don't i think she wants you to pay more yes but to her not to a scalper yeah for sure hp and dell have decided that laptop buyers don't need hevc support some dell and hp laptop owners are discovering that their machines can't play content encoded with hevc or h265 in spite of their cpus definitely having integrated decoding support.

3:48:31The codec has been supported by Intel CPUs since the sixth generation of their core processors, launched in 2015, and AMD around the same time. For some reason, both manufacturers have disabled this feature on some of their popular business laptops. HP discloses that the feature is disabled on the data sheets for the impacted machines, while Dell seemingly only mentions it on a general support page about 4k video playback where they note that hevc content is only available on laptops with an optional discrete gpu with an integrated 4k display with dolby vision or with a cyberlink blu-ray player what year is it when reached for comment neither company would state why they've chosen to disable the feature strange and both suggested the purchase of a third-party software solution a comment on the hardware subreddit suggests that the change may be in response to an upcoming increase in licensing costs from a reasonable 20 cents per laptop to a clearly profiteering 24 cents per laptop in all seriousness though i mean this is a big part of why h265 hevc was such a cluster bomb there were multiple parties involved in um in ip ownership of part of it which made the licensing of it just a complete disaster her um long live h264 i guess yeah after dark and maybe even longer live av1 yeah yeah let's go let's go big time um i like av1 there we're going yeah we're going after dark is that is that it for our topics this week i mean we do technically have other things without notes what are we we could talk about what i'm doing this weekend oh what are you doing this we could talk about is the bubble popping what's the should we should we is the ai bubble popping you see what happened to bitcoin this week do you happen to nvidia this week yeah in spite of their earnings beat like well yeah there was some things on the earnings call to uh mr big a has a good video on it but there's things on the earnings call that upon further investigation did not seem as good as well is it the whole circular money thing there's yeah there's a lot of from that there's a lot of accounts receivable chill in there there's a lot of inventory chill in there uh which is a interesting situation to be in there was a comparison drawn uh between cisco at the hike of the dot-com bubble and video now where their accounts receivable are super inflated their inventory is super inflated.

3:51:17Yeah. How can you have both high inventory and high AR? Interesting spot.

3:51:27But yeah, don't listen to me. Go watch big A video because I might be misquoting. Well, no, wait, no, hold on. Yeah, because if you have big accounts receivable, then you should be shipping inventory, right? Sort of the problem. Ideally, or you're producing at a high amount per Atriox Strikes. Again, it does. It does good stuff.

3:51:51Maybe that stuff that you sold a bit ago. The really, really high accounts receivable could mean that you're doing a lot of business. It could also mean that the partners that you're working with are having a hard time paying their bills, which is a bad sign. And if you have a bunch of inventory and you have a bunch of that, that could mean that your cycle is just really fast and you need to stock up inventory to slap at a data center or whatever. It could also mean that you have a bunch of people that bought things and are struggling to pay for them and you're expecting a lot more orders to come in and those ones aren't coming in.

3:52:29And both of those things are happening at the same time. So you have a lot of inventory stocking up. You have a lot of people not paying for the stuff that you've already moved. there's a lot of different things that it could mean. It doesn't necessarily mean bad, but it doesn't necessarily mean good. Not financial advice. No, yeah. I'm just throwing that out there. Yeah. I'm just, I want to throw that out there. Not financial advice. Neither of us are. Zero, zero NVIDIA investment. Zero NVIDIA investment. I'm zero NVIDIA. Not because I think they're like a, you know, like bad investment. I just, I don't invest in NVIDIA.

3:53:03People have clearly made a lot of money off of it. Yeah. And I wish them well. I hope that there are many leather jackets in their futures. Sure. Maybe even leather jackets in their options. That was pretty good. That was pretty good. Sorry. It hurts. Yeah. So meanwhile, this, that's been interesting to watch over the last month. Yeah. Like is the, is the, is the bubble popping now? Like, is it, is it happening? Like everyone, everyone with sort of any kind of connection to reality knows we're in a bubble. Yeah. It's just that you can't know when it will pop until it has already popped. And in this case, I can't even tell like, if this is a, if this is a blip or if this is a real, if there's a real pop.

3:54:03because I mean here like you know Bitcoin's a perfect example of just this like volatility like this and this don't look markedly different they look a little different but like you know okay this was a popped bubble um I'd say I'd say this oh man the way that this is accelerating okay it does look bad yeah it's pretty who she's spicy she's spicy um did you see my oracle one bring it up bring it up bring it up oracle five days nine percent let's see five years oh yeah that's a good wait to the right years to the right to the right whoosh whoosh okay is this it is it time i think the most to me a very interesting part of this is a lot of people have been pointing at open ai yeah not financial advice that's going to be the one that is the most interesting but open ai is not public right so you can't see it that's like saying you know space spacex is going to be the bellwether for when the you know trillionaire space exploration bubble pops or whatever what a bubble oh no the four people it's gonna affect that bubble is very well protected bezos in shambles what is he gonna do this summer I have to go back to Italy yeah how's everyone else doing you got NVIDIA there yeah I can grab that one up there down yeah I just want to see the shape you know I want to see the shape check out Roblox okay five days this is their five days okay yeah that's their one five days yep five years I want to see the five years let's see the shape whoosh okay okay So that doesn't really look It's not a massive fall yet Yeah it doesn't look markedly worse than things we've seen before Still up 1266 % But yeah the five days is down About four Not as bad as Oracle Why do you want me to look at Roblox Dan?

3:56:09You would be very surprised

3:56:14Roblox? Why is Roblox crashing? Yeah what happened? Yeah why is Roblox falling off the cliff. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Look at the one month. Everybody forgets about Roblox, not financial advice. Look at one month. Oh, well, I mean, I'm looking at five years. 30%. What? Okay, explain yourself. Can you, yeah. Yeah. Why did you bring up Roblox? I mean, I can't because not financial advice, but it is a tech stock if you want to think about it like that. It's very interesting as a something to look at i guess you're being so vague we understand it's not financial advice you're talking about it's included in a lot of managed eft portfolios and other stuff like that as um as one of a like a very big indicator on on that kind of like tech portfolio stuff roblox is absolutely massive it's also you know played by i don't know how many people these days and so to see it also dipping is quite interesting i see i don't know if it's if it's just like a market correction or if this is like is if this is it or if this is it it's very easy to be all doomer about it yeah um i think i think obviously everything's on sale right now and not financial advice and uh keep saying that parachutes are not you want to see another interesting one i'm pretty sure i got this from mr atriok as well i don't think parachutes work that great from a building anyway so exactly google's one month yeah up 18.6 google's five day up 4.6 one day up 3.33 so google's still on a tear i mean i gotta feel like part of that has got to be that berkshire just like bought a ton of it and yep not even just them soaking up so much of the available stock but also just when berkshire does something they tend to be trendsetters so i don't even not financial advice um none of this is financial advice but it is also just interesting at zelm says they're doing buybacks i i don't yeah i don't know that um i i've not followed what uh what Google's been doing lately.

3:58:41Microsoft is apparently down 7%.

3:58:46Man, this is,

3:58:51what was it? I wasn't there. I wasn't old enough. What was it like to live through the dot-com crash? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Like, neither of us were there, but it feels like this is our generation's dot-com crash to go along with our generation's COVID crash to go along with our generation's 2008 financial crisis. Here's a fun question. What if we have a 2026 financial crisis because of the housing market and an AI bubble crash at the same time? What if we doubled it and gave it to ourselves? That's an awesome idea. And then COVID too. And also like out of control national debt. oh don't forget about that potential crisis military actions we've got some of those oh yeah right that yes a few of those this is gonna be fun i think are we approaching the great filter is that what the ultimate interesting times are may you live through interesting times it's just like oh my god may you survive the filter we're so special okay hear me out hear me out ammunition and canned food do you think even well I mean okay hold on not financial advice this is why we're saying Linus Town the whole time it's to protect us from the climate wars yeah well where's the town gonna be Dan in the desert of most of Canada

4:00:33Good news, man, Joe. Yeah, a lot of the military ones are not doing too bad.

4:00:43Great. Okay, hear me out. Hear me out. Oh, boy. Tech yacht or tech plane? So when shit goes down... You're going to outrun the sun like that crappy movie?

4:01:02I don't even remember the name of that movie. Tech Lunar Base. I'm super down. Tech Lunar Base, I'm down. Ship me to the moon, dude. Let's go. Yeah, okay. Do you think even... I bet you CW Engineering could make bangin' body armor. Do you think even gold will be worth anything in the next major, like, societal meltdown? Will the oldest currency survive? What level of societal meltdown are you talking about? I don't know. Whatever's coming. Okay, but you're talking, you said... We're going full prepper. Both of us. We're going to go full prepper. Yeah, we're going full prepper. Like, will it be literally water, ammunition, food?

4:01:47I think it's that, but for a dense period of time. Hold on, hold on. I actually liked Dan's answer. Did you just say downloading the entirety of Wikipedia? Yeah, it's going to be food, guns, and then Wikipedia. Let's do some self-revealing prepper stuff right now. I have a decent amount of Wikipedia stuff on my phone. Knowledge is great because they can't just kill you and take it.

4:02:12Whereas they can kill you and take your stockpile of whatever. Well, no, but if it's encrypted, if you're literally the only one. Actually, no, even then they can just put a gun to your head and tell you they'll pull the trigger if you don't unlock it. Decrypted. But then if you don't unlock it, then they can't pull the trigger if they want the knowledge. So it's better than a bunch of bananas. in terms of keeping you alive. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess so. But yeah, I think that would be a condensed period of time. And then you're going to want to start like making things again. And you'll probably want currency again because currency, it turns out, is like pretty useful.

4:02:51Trade is like a pretty neat idea. And carrying around like cans of food is actually not convenient. I think the new currency should just be like little USB flash drives with the entirety of Wikipedia on them, and that is like your new currency in the after the apocalypse. That's really specific. I mean, knowledge is power. Why would you want to give people the entirety of Wikipedia? I will give you 12 knowledge for your cow, please. This one has pictures. I added classical literature pictures to it. Oh. Oh. Oh!

4:03:29Then you have the like illicit ones. Can we get some dirty Chaucer poems or something? This one has the pelvic pelvic bone structure. That's it. Knowledge of from when people were clean. I've got dentistry from 1805. Porn would probably be pretty big. Mm-hmm. Yeah, here's here's the here's the model that just came out. It's like oh a 3d printer oh 3d printer would be huge and a bunch of filament yeah filament you'd have to stock up filament but there is that like i don't know how good it is but i've seen those people that like shred the plastic bottles and make filament out of that i don't know if it's good we're doing a video on that oh cool like what you can do with like reclaim both reclaimed uh like printer poops yep and also um making things out of like other stuff that's really cool yeah um one of one of the new guys is kind of exploring you know that we're just kind of doing our typical LTT kind of shallow dive into you know all the kind of cool stuff that's going on in that space right now it's gonna be really good what else what else would there be yes spools of filament become the new caps how will the sock warranty work though asks Andre be in this apocalypse yeah dude you How have you not planned for this?

4:04:54It's in person. Do you not have a continuation plan for actual apocalypse? I am not. What if I'm a raider? Trust me, bro. Survive. It's pronounced raidist. I'm running through the wastes and I, you know, step on a spike and we have to amputate my foot, but I wish to give my sock to someone else. You have no sock license that doesn't allow it to be transferred. And I want to get a new sock. How does this work? I think... Whoops, what am I doing right now? How do I contact LDT store support? Carrier pitching. Is it a bird call? How are we going to charge them? Otherwise we'll lose our government.

4:05:48Alright, I'm not ready to go prepper yet, but... No. I have some very minor stuff. I bought a relatively small case of MREs, but that wasn't even government collapse stuff. That was just like... Earthquake. What if the power's out for three days? That's smart. Yeah, I don't know. And there's like a little bit of water because there was... Our building's been pretty okay for a while, but there was like a lot of problems for a long time. And there was a serious thing where like if these levels of problems that we're having start splitting into electrical as well, like the food in the fridge is going to spoil.

4:06:30And then it would be kind of nice if we could exist at home and have food at that time.

4:06:40SJW5135 says LTT bug out bag. Nice. That'd be kind of sick. It would be kind of sick. It could have a spot for all the USB drives of knowledge. Yeah. Like you've got that cell phone pocket in your jacket. It's just got like a couple things for USB drives at Wikipedia. Heck yeah. All right. Our other topic that's left before after dark is what I'm doing this weekend. Yeah, what are you doing this weekend? I am finally getting my air brake certification. Oh. Oh, so you can drive the fire truck. Which will allow me to daily drive my fire truck that I purchased many moons ago. I can't wait till you park it in front of your neighbor's place.

4:07:22Didn't I hear that the service people were upset because normally it doesn't see six kilometers between regular services? Really? Something like that? Well, you had to go get serviced regularly. Oh, how regular? It's a fire truck. Well, yeah. It's like yearly service, something like that. Quality fire truck. Has to be done. It's had like seven kilometers since that service. Oh. So they were upset about that? They were confused. Oh, I see. Yeah, well, it's been parked. Okay, I understand. I thought it was like Dan was talking about the other way around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I misinterpreted that. Oh, no, no, no.

4:08:01I thought you were saying it needs service every seven kilometers. I was like, no. No. What? I was so confused. All right. I finally lost it. While you guys get started, I'm going to run to the washroom. Not having another one of these did not prevent that. He could have been hydrated the whole time. He could have. Damn it. I guess we're going into After Dark then yes I have a couple in here for you moving on that we can look at and I keep opening the wrong app on my phone After Dark Google search Luke question for Luke and maybe Linus oh how do you see AI genuinely enhancing player experiences in games and where could it start to go wrong if studios fall into the usual gentrification pattern it's kind of tough because there's like there's there's been examples of how it could be used in single-player games already i mean there's skyrim mods right that have like ai uh followers you could have ai lydia or whatever um in my opinion like playing something like Baldur's Gate I don't think I even want that.

4:09:16I want the word-by-word tailored experience that they were able to deliver to me.

4:09:28Okay, I'm very good, I'm very good. Oh wait, they can't even see it. Nothing happened.

4:09:37But yeah, I kind of want the tailored experience that they can give to me. I do think there will be scenarios where having the dynamicism of something like an AI follower thing would be great. Like I've had this vision for a squad combat game where you're like a squad leader to a certain degree and you can communicate with your team through your microphone on your computer, but it's a single player game and they can communicate back. and it's not just simple commands like stack up. Like you could do more complicated things and they might actually be able to understand and react properly and converse with you and things like that.

4:10:20It could be very, very interesting. There are definitely opportunities where it could be really cool. I don't remember the second part of the question. There was two parts, I swear. Where can it start to go wrong if it falls into the usual injetification pattern? Oh, yeah. a lot of those AI character mods for Skyrim are kind of junk I think they I mean you've all conversed with AI for too long before it can really lose the plot yeah it can get really weird it can get really outside of the game I'd love to see it more in the interacting with commands rather than it being the intention for the story yeah like i i i really like that squad combat idea like i mentioned but yeah i don't i don't want uh i don't think i want to be able to ask lydia about quantum physics and have her be like ah yes that thing that hasn't been i can totally answer that i know what toilet vapor is yeah and there's there's no real way with the current systems that we have to actually ensure that that's not going to become a problem.

4:11:34I can pretty much guarantee that it will be a little bit whack. I have a not answer, but at least a response on the whole, how are we handling people who move between float plane tiers? Sammy said, this was an edge case we didn't consider. Colton and I will discuss on Thursday with a plan, but the focus will be to do what's best for the customer. So that's not an answer. That's not a commitment, but it is a attitude. up next and a dev change very cool hello have you have you found the refrigerant for your super cooler machine yet if not i have priced out how much it would cost for me licensed epa 608 and buy it 2600 for 10 pounds 15 pounds your needs Oh, interesting.

4:12:29I don't know that for sure, but Dan, can you mark that? And it's actually Elijah who is following up that project. I think we have a technician coming in next week to do an assessment of the machine. We managed to get in touch with the same guy who decommissioned it. Yeah, that's crazy. Which is pretty beneficial when it comes to machines of that sort of temperamentality and complexity. Um, so he, he apparently, uh, said that when it was decommissioned, um, it was working and considering how long it's been, it looks like it's in great shape from an initial just glance. Uh, as we dig deeper, we could find stuff, but, um, yeah, I am hopeful that we will return it to working order.

4:13:20i am not very hopeful that it will um serve us make any sense yep we'll get to that later we'll get to that in the video oh i think there's even yeah sure uh all right next up good evening disneyland resort i don't know people try in catching up with previous wan shows i've learned of Linus's love of Joseph and the amazing Technicolor dream coat. There was red and yellow and green and orange and violet and pink and... No, I can't. Was that accurate up till there? The very beginning was. Nice. Linus, can you name all the colors in order? He could not. Because it starts to have a whole bunch of other ones, like ochre and coat colors in order song lyrics.

4:14:14Hold on. red and yellow and green and brown oh no i was totally wrong i got the first three did i say red yellow green red and yellow and green yeah i think i got that and brown and scarlet and black and ochre and peach and ruby and olive and violet and fawn and lilac and gold and chocolate and cream and crimson and silver and rose as your lemon gray purple white pink orange and blue apparently that is obscene nice nice cool coat heck yeah such a great musical howdy dll and chat now that the holidays are upon us what are some of y 'all's family uh holiday family traditions that are specifically yours that no other friends or family do thanks and happy holidays y 'all

4:15:06i've kind of won i don't know if this counts because i don't know that no one else does it but we are on purpose extremely slow doing presents like very much on purpose you essentially generally go you go one person at a time unless there's mirror gifts like if people are receiving the same thing they receive them at the same time but other than that you go one person at a time the idea is that they open it um there's often like an opportunity for the person who gave the gift to like talk about it or why they might have thought it was good for them or whatever they'll look at it they'll like pass it around people can check it out you like experience it for a moment and then you move on to the next one it's not the like frenzy open up everything super fast there's none of that there's often even selecting it like it'll often be uh you know you're not allowed to pick one that you gave someone you're not allowed to pick something for yourself and you can go up and pick it but now that there's little ones like we try to get them to do it in the past we'd try to get like chloe the dog to like a mom tried to train her to like go grab presents that sounds like such a your mom thing to do yeah um and yeah it's like a whole thing.

4:16:21It takes all day. But it's cool.

4:16:33I like it a lot, personally. It is a very defended tradition. Dumb question. You're on speaker on WAN Show. That's not a question. What are some of y 'all's... Nice. What are some of y 'all's family holiday traditions that are specifically yours and no other friends and family do? Do we really have a lot of traditions? I don't really feel like we do. I'm kind of at a loss here. Well, we put up those Christmas lights all around our family room. I don't think most people do that. I don't think putting up Christmas lights is a... Well, no, no. That is a very normal thing to put on your roof or on a Christmas tree, but decorating the couch and the fireplace with Christmas lights is kind of different.

4:17:14Yeah, I don't know if it is. Fireplace, no. Couch, kind of weird. weird okay well okay i play super normal i do always put them on the couch couch is not okay so well okay i can explain why um so one of the things that was really cool for me as a kid even once i knew that santa wasn't real is that my parents would deck out the living room um so santa didn't just leave presents for our family santa also decorated our living room oh um so So we will put up our tree, which often isn't even in our living room. Right now it goes in just our foyer. So when you walk in, there's like a Christmas tree.

4:17:55But we don't do like Christmas morning there. So we don't do our gift exchange there. So we don't have, so that's in the living room. So before the kids or after the kids go to bed, we'll do like the usual normal stuff. So we do, sometimes we forget to do the plate with the cookies and the carrots or whatever. for the reindeer. But what we've always consistently remembered to do is the note, and then also Santa puts up a bunch of Christmas lights in our living room so that when you come into the room, it's like very Christmas in that room and it wasn't when you went to bed. So I guess that's kind of different.

4:18:35Yeah, I didn't really think of that. That's cool. That's nice. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. You always wanted it to be like magical feeling when they walked in. Yeah. um yeah i can't really think of anything else now i get an apology right because you said no i said no to what special you said that wasn't special you said i was wrong well no i just mean i called your tradition weird which makes it unique uh okay well i mean i just don't think nobody else does that surely somebody else surely somebody else i googled uh christmas lights on couch zero results uh okay i even looked up whoville living rooms and whoville couches and not even they did no okay well you are unique all right i'm officially a snowflake okay thanks for thinking of that vaughn okay see you tonight no apologies though uh oh uh yes i'm very so well i mean it was it was it ended up being my thing that i called not special so it's not like i dissed her oh my god but i'm sorry how about this i'm sorry for disagreeing with you wow i'm sorry you got your feelings hurt i'll see you in a bit and i'll see the couch too bye yeah i think you will can you put some christmas lights on it for me all right vance whatever um up next different different vance um how about how about another one uh yeah hit me wrapped up my first internship and realized for the first time that quote unquote being a good employee is a skill you need to learn and isn't taught in school other than the basics how do i be a good employee

4:20:23i feel like this will always come across kind of abrasive coming from me because it's been 14 years since I've been an employee. I feel like this is one of those ones where I obviously have thoughts on what I felt made me a good employee. You know, when I was at NCIX, I obviously have thoughts on what makes a good employee here.

4:20:49I think there's a lot of different ways that you can approach this. I think you can approach it from like an attitude and culture and fit standpoint. I think that you can get away with a lot in terms of like financial value that you bring to a business if you like just bring a super can to attitude and you you know make the place a great place to work for other members of the team I think in the same way you can get away with being kind of a dour head um if you deliver like huge financial gains for the company um but like in terms of like like skills that you need to learn that aren't taught in school like i'm i don't know how do you how do you be a good employee um yeah okay pancratz is in the chat he says give a crap about what you do yeah i mean that's a lot of it that's oh god that's the culture side is like almost most important in my opinion you can be extremely good at something but if you're like a toxic head no one's gonna want to work with you and you're gonna end up creating a space that is bad and is not very productive and doesn't work very well.

4:21:59And that doesn't mean don't speak up. This conversation often gets conflated. You should absolutely speak up when the time is right. If something is bad, you should bring it up. Ideally, you bring it up and raise potential solutions, even if you don't necessarily think they're going to happen. Even if you don't necessarily think they're possible, just show that you cared enough to try to think about um helping to solve the problem and if you do have a really good solution then even better um but if you just complain all the time and are a downer to like be around um that's not helpful i mean it's a lot of the things that make you a good person to be around ever.

4:22:48Any kind of relationship? Yeah. Yeah. It's honestly, it's exactly the same skills. I'd say being a good employee is the same as being a good friend, is the same as being a good spouse, is the same as being a good parent, is the same as being a good boss. And I think that's true if the person you're working for isn't a dinkhole as well. Yeah. That's a major factor is like it takes two to tango. And I mean that in both a positive and a negative way. Like it takes, it takes two people to have a conflict and it takes two people to have a harmonious relationship. Like if someone else is engaging in bad faith, then no amount of you being a positive contributing member of the team who cares about what you do and does all these things that we're saying, no amount of it is going to help.

4:23:28And you just need to get the fuck out of there. Or a negative one. And sometimes, and sometimes honestly, that need to just get out is not even necessarily because the other person was a bad person. Sometimes people just are abrasive to each other. Or aren't compatible. Yeah. yeah yeah and so you know we're not just not fit in that workspace we're not trying to judge every situation here at all just kind of trying to you asked for the basics yeah and it officially effectively comes down to like be good in the relationship or exit yeah this one is mostly for linus does your son regret choosing the switch to over any of the computer handhelds since the video i asked him this two days ago um i asked like hey are you using your switch too much and he said no i actually have not been using it that much um because part of the part of the deal for this was to help him like part of the idea was that it was a gift obviously very extravagant gift very learning privileged gift but i also think that even in the context of a gift you can still learn lessons about money management and what i what i offered him was it was a choice of like a hype device knowing that there's going to be an overtime cost associated with it a very expensive first party titles or the uncertain device that at the time the rg xbox ally x uh was not announced even yet or sort of the the devil you know which is actually more expensive up front but that's my burden but you'll have more affordable games but these are games that you could have just played on your desktop pc anyway so he had kind of these three choices and so i resolved when he made the choice of the switch to that i wasn't going to buy games for him so he has mario kart and he has uh remastered breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom because i wanted those for myself even though i haven't ended up really like playing any of them um but other than that i'm not just going to run out and buy games for it and so we own aces um we own the whatever the fitness one is ring ring fit we own ring fit adventure um but but other than that you can only so yeah you can just play like some switch games that we own and then and then those three like remastered and and new console titles and so yeah he hasn't really been using it um i didn't actually specifically ask him if he regretted it he he didn't bring that up on his own but i do know that he hasn't been using the switch too much

4:26:04hey dynas duke and dan i recently purchased some somewhat large plastic bins and was surprised by the market price at the size what is something you thought was inexpensive until you went to buy it oh my god plastic bins i was just gonna say hell yeah garbage cans like what the hell What are you talking about? Why is it so freaking expensive? Garbage cans are nuts. I don't get it. When I became an adult, cheese. I had no idea how much utensils cost until the first time I bought them. I was just like, this is insane. Because I don't know that my family had ever bought them. We always just had a whole drawer of mismatched random stuff.

4:26:47So when Yvonne and I moved out and were adulting for the first time, I wanted matching cutlery. That was just something that felt like a we've made it thing to have to me because I'd never had it in my entire life Found out how much matching cutlery cost It's ridiculous people can call me Jeep again. I've never done it Yeah, I don't blame you Even Ikea it's cheap and those ones suck Yeah, like they're just they're not like it's like what mouth is this for do Swedish mouths really look like this? Like, I don't understand it. I get made fun of my spoons. I, um, yeah, I, I remember the garbage can thing.

4:27:29I remember, like, Emma wanted to buy one. I think I saw the price and, like, scoffed and was just like, ugh. She's not, like, valuing the dollar, you know? She hasn't shopped enough. And I went to go look into it. I went to, like, Canadian Tire or something to buy a garbage can. I just, I think I was there for, like, an hour. they have like half an aisle of garbage can options my brain was just exploding i was like there's no way it's like this is insane i must have done something wrong maybe i would is this the wrong place let me look at stuff online like did they put the can in the wrong spot there's no it's a garbage can why does it cost like 200 am i in the lawnmower section did they swap them What is happening right now?

4:28:12It just makes no sense. And it's not like fancy. Yeah, like, and I don't think this, I don't know, but I don't think this is like a super fancy brand or anything. It's a Home Depot, all these different places. Simple human, garbage can,$240. What are we talking about? It's a metal cube. Why? Oh my goodness. The pop-ups. Holy. Anyways. Tape is wildly expensive to me. like masking tape. Okay. It's a roll of paper. Yeah. Like, have you seen how much a roll of masking tape costs? No. Yeah, it's like, I think last time I was at Home Depot, it was like seven or eight dollars or something like that. Like, what the heck?

4:28:55When I was running my painting business, they were like a buck fifty, two bucks. Like, depending on the thickness. I feel like there's a lot of stuff that's like that these days, though. What are you guys talking about? What are people talking about? ram yeah yeah ram definitely that uh might be cheaper to use it to buy your food at this point eat your food daniel it's late i'm sorry it's some ddr4 my spaghetti okay so part of my problem part of my problem is that i was uh i was not looking at bulk packs so here you go here's like here's like some painters blue right ten dollars and 37 cents each what the f**k is going on here it's actually pretty you can get cheaper ones just like the horrible contractor grade like beige masking tape is cheap but the like the good stuff for like cutting paint lines is not the cheaper green one in a bulk pack is still what is this a six pack for so that's like still four dollars each which is just yeah more than more than double what i used to pay for it back when i was a painter which i realized was sort of a hot minute ago this is like old man yells at clouds level at this point but i mean literally it was a merch message somebody asked i'm not bringing it up out of nowhere

4:30:22hi lee lute and ta da lee lute and da uh thoughts on companies requiring all employees to learn about agentic ai i get learning about the uses and risks of agentic ai what about requiring all know how to develop one is anyone actually requiring anyone to know how to develop one never that doesn't sound right requiring them to use it i i do um i have heard of um what about like maybe maybe a little bit more loose terms like setting one up to do an agent style task that they would have for their workflow okay i see what you mean that sounds like you're just following up on training yeah it sounds like professional development i think it's uh i i i think that as long as they're not forced to actually use it if it doesn't make sense for them then that's probably fine i mean i don't really mind a company investing in professional development for the people who work there and i don't see this as really any different from doing a workshop on like getting along with different personality types or any other skill i feel like i need more details

4:31:34hi lld this is chloe from malaysia i'm buying these for my boyfriend for christmas nice question for Linus. Where is your family from originally? My boyfriend's last name is Sebastian 2. Ah, okay. So I actually get into this. Oh, dang. Your boyfriend's getting some... Wow, you got a backpack? Backpack? All black? Silver shaft? Backpack, tech sack, and screwdriver. That's a pretty good Christmas. Hopefully he doesn't watch her. Spoilers. Chloe from Malaysia, who had Anonymous as their name. Oh, yeah. What's up with that, Chloe from Malaysia? Whose boyfriend's last name is sebastian that's so specific maybe we should have said the stuff i mean she's the one who put it in there i don't make the rules no i mean we don't have their last name yeah that's why it's anonymous last name yes and they're not married their boyfriend so presumably her last name is not sebastian yet they're gonna after they open their presents it might be chloe sebastian uh yeah i know right damn good presence um so we're actually going to cover this in the linus torvalds collab but uh throughout the video kind of like you know how i like to point out things i have in common with taylor swift um so i played that game with mr torvalds throughout our build um things that we have in common is that some point in our lives or other we've been uh observed we've observed that we have rather prominent human beaks um we both obviously um have the name linus that was one and also we both have kind of bullshit made up last names huh his last name is not like a real last name a member of his family kind of arbitrarily assigned it to themselves um and is that not where they all kind of came from and that's where they all came well oh sure i mean at some point but like it's there's no like iceland iceland actually has a structure for it um it's your dad's name plus son i think um but like most places are pretty random but you're a lafreniere and there's like a lineage there there's like you have like there's that sure there's people named lafreniere and there is some probability that you are related to them in some way.

4:33:56Sure. Whereas with Torvalds, apparently it is a 100 % I am related to this person because that lineage only goes back to like his grandparent. Oh, this is like very recent. Very recent. Okay, I understand. And then so mine is also made up last name. My mom changed her last name as part of some sort of reasoning that she had for it. And then when she married my dad, he took her name, actually. And so that name was passed to me. And so I am a second generation Sebastian as a last name. So it has nothing to do with where my family's from originally. As for where my family's from originally, on the one side, Canada.

4:34:44a canadian mutt uh on that side just uh i don't know i'm pretty sure my great grandmother had a dowry that involved livestock um nice yeah i i don't know yeah just yeah canadian mix um there may be some canadian like native in there somewhere not enough for any kind of status or anything who knows complete mix and then the other side and this is awkward is I'm a quarter Russian and a quarter Ukrainian so nice yeah so you have some internal conflict very yeah half of me has been at war for the last few years it's been rough it's been rough

4:35:32up next hello LLDP sure thoughts on data center sprawl oh hold on uh cory g asks did linus do a test kit no so everything that i just said might be complete nonsense because i'm counting on my family to have told me because there is no way that i would do one of those ancestry tests nice hello ldp thoughts on the new data center sprawl just came back from indiana helping the data center team there and locals are not jazzed about giant data centers plopped in the middle of farmland understandable understandable uh i don't i don't understand how the it's it's so funny because there was a lot of like hand wringing over how electric vehicles were going to overburden the grid but like this is this is on a completely different level and in some cases like like you said like in the in the middle of nowhere sometimes because they're just looking for basically as far as i can tell anywhere where there's power and then putting down these giant facilities that realistically don't employ that many people which kind of blows uh even though there's like like high tech you know industry moving in um and then just like sucking up all the power i i yeah 100 or or in some cases just like expelling emissions um you know i i feel like i feel like this how i feel like taxes you know i i pay my taxes um i pay a lot of taxes i don't mind as long as that's being used for something useful like i um we have an amd ultimate tech upgrade coming up i I don't know if we've talked about this, but one of our team members was actually diagnosed with stage three cancer a little while ago.

4:37:27And I shouldn't say a little while ago, it was quite a while ago now. And we finally got to do their AMD Ultimate Tech Upgrade because they're finally back to work and feeling up to, you know, being on camera. And it was a really exciting, like really happy AMD Ultimate Tech Upgrade. And, you know, one of the things that I take a lot of, you know, pride in, both personally and this may be very surprising to some of the people watching who are from, you know, other parts of the world. But as a Canadian as well, something that I take a lot of national pride in is our socialized health care. it is not perfect and that is the very first thing that i will say about it i don't know of one that is i don't know of any health care system that is perfect and neither is ours but what i do know is that our team member was diagnosed with stage three cancer and was able to be treated without out-of-pocket expense for the most part um and like you know there was some things especially incidental things and and you know i also take great pride um so he mentioned that and this is all on camera this is all coming uh but he mentioned that there was like an anti-nausea medication that was 50 a pill or something like that and i was like oh but like sorry was that out of pocket and he goes well it was 90 covered by lmg's coverage and i'm like and i only needed like a dozen of them and i was like okay okay okay okay you know what that's that's good to know so like are there still costs yes let me repeat i pay a lot of taxes we pay for it all but you know when i when i see it in action um i don't mind that i don't like to see it wasted and a lot of it does get wasted there's a ton of waste and and i and i hate that but i also don't know of a system that doesn't have a ton of waste yeah so i guess i have the same thoughts on data centers right like If it's doing something really useful and benefiting humanity, we're doing aerodynamics research for a new generation of more efficient vehicles.

4:39:41We're doing whatever, right? Sure, yeah, I'm super into it. We're, I don't know, we're generating seahorse emojis. I guess I'm not as jazzed on what they're doing right now. Yeah, dude. So my feelings are mixed. My feelings are mixed. Let's go.

4:39:59honestly how has apple escaped prosecution the browser lock-in alone with safari on ios fundamentally destroyed web apps for over a decade they make 90s microsoft look like petty shoplifters there's a lot of that microsoft has a dollar sign in the middle of it even though the s also kind of looks like a dollar sign i don't know either i uh i haven't been able to figure it out and it seems like i like i felt like alongside many of you sort of like the emperor has no clothes for a long time like when the whole epic lawsuit thing happened i was like oh yes this is very obvious surely this will be very obvious to everyone that this is this is antitrust and this is non-competitive behavior dive in front of the but people would do anything to shield the trillion dollar company from criticism and it i don't understand it if something is bad when microsoft does it then it's bad when apple does it it's that simple and we can't let our tribalism and our loyalties get in the way of that but we do we allow it and i um i don't get it i don't get it either i'm sorry i got nothing i could use some more abrasion resistant slash rip stop stuff for hiking and fishing are there any nyko fabric items in the works i don't know what that is nyko i'm gonna look it up just because i don't know the terminology doesn't necessarily mean we aren't doing anything with it okay high performance lubricants that's no that's a result nylon cotton oh

4:41:51not that I know of right now yeah let's go with a not that I know of right now sorry but hey enjoy your screensaver party shirt g'day l-d i I assume that's a lower case l it's an i you can't prove it I mean I can do something yeah oh you know what no I think I can I think I can analyze this hold on a second there's an L in thermal later on in the same sentence you can see a lowercase l that's not going to help us how's that going to help us because it looks the same well yeah but so does the top height of the L and the D is higher as far as I can tell. Hold on, I'm gonna copy and paste it. No, no, you have to copy and paste it into Google Docs and then do the case change thing.

4:42:48Yeah, yeah, yeah. There we go. I put it in font checker. It is a lowercase L. I called it. Look at you. He does words professionally. I believe that. I think I am the lowercase L. I assume, because I'm small L. Sure. I think that was the idea. Big L, D, and small L. currently working on a CubeSat thermal management systems for my degree how come he gets to be Big D I want to be Big D no as long as I don't have to be Little PP we all know you're Big D no yeah no we don't alright sorry guys I was giving you a narcissist control currently working on a CubeSat thermal management systems for my degree what do you see as a big challenge in tech progress uh for example transistor density size thermal power requirements etc yes that's an annoying answer but a very good one those are all big problems i mean transistor sizes have been we we yet another video that we have coming is going to it's going to be about how GPU prices are not NVIDIA's fault.

4:44:09At least not entirely. And it's going to be a piece on like, hey, yes, NVIDIA has contributed in these ways. But also, have you heard of a little company called TSMC? Here is what we can glean from publicly available information about how their actions have impacted NVIDIA's profitability and NVIDIA's costs. and if you thought that they were the big bad well guess what you're wrong because there's another monopoly above them called asml let's talk about them it's gonna be cool yeah it'll be chill

4:44:54hello dll question for luke if you couldn't keep any birds would you keep any other pet What do you think? How is this a... What? Hmm? You're gonna finally let us know? No, he wouldn't. What? He'd have a dog. Yeah. Only one? Oh, that's a good question. No. There's no way you do two dogs. What about two... What about two really small dogs that you could, like... Yeah, he'd want to combine them. No! He'd want a big dog. Good answer. I will continue working here. Okay, next merch message. Hello, Linus, Luke, and Dan. I got my WAN hoodie today and I'm absolutely loving it. Heck yeah. With HBC, I believe that's the Hudson's Bay Company in liquidation, would you be willing to license the HBC pattern for clothing and accessory products?

4:45:44There is no way I'd be able to afford it. There's no way. That trademark has to be like millions of dollars. I have been very, very lucky, very blessed. I've you know worked a lot and I've managed to as Luke puts it become quite wealthy I'll never forget that comment I will I will never you just like however in the grand scheme of things like I still come to work every day I am I am not like a like a own global brands level of of you can do that and be quite wealthy i could do which what you're describing oh like come to work every day not own global brands oh yeah no that's true we're like but i'm not that level i'm like not even close to even being able to to make any kind of reasonable offer like it's not even yeah yeah that's a crazy thing um that might be difficult for non-Canadians to understand but if you look it up it's like a thing um the what i was gonna say there's this whole thing i heard about i don't know if this is legit or not but like on average the wealthiest person in like middle-sized towns is the person who owns the concrete plant really the concrete apparently because like oftentimes those places metal too right yeah it's stuff like that it's like local supplies for building because every building's gotta have concrete you can't ship it very far just the one company yeah can't get it from china you can't get it from the next day price gouge pretty hard and if there's any interest in the town growing then they're probably gonna use you and it goes into freaking everything yeah and you already have to exist because you need to buy the aggregates in just obscene quantities of scale who's gonna start up a concrete business and buy an entire train of rocks do you know right right yeah to be competitive yeah the moat is just the sheer volume of stuff that you have to build and it has to be you will have pre-existing relationships now with yeah everyone who builds things literally everyone yeah and you you can't keep it it doesn't keep you know you gotta you gotta make it and send it in a truck crazy it's it's like it's interesting i think glass is another one like basically all like big building materials that shipping is super annoying for believe it or not like styrofoam unbelievably expensive because it's large pc archive in float plane chat says i live by a concrete factory in southern indiana in a tiny town they have their own railroad exactly i wasn't joking about buying a train of rocks yeah because it has to be specific rocks that's why you can't like build skyscrapers in in like dubai very well because it's desert sand and it has to be river sand yeah yeah and like i need like quarter inch clear crush i think you mean blood sand yeah sure it's like it's it's wild and you gotta grease palms for the illegal sand trade because they dig up rivers that they're not allowed to so that they can get the sand for the concrete and there's like murder and stuff do you not know about this oh it's crazy no blood sand is like not even a joke yeah why this dude because there's a global shortage of sand i have heard of that and and so and so there's like illegal sand mining because it's got to be like uh smooth it can't be no no it has to be jagged it has to be jagged and so rounded the wind in the desert like smooths it out and so it just falls apart and it's useless yeah crazy and it's too expensive to make sand because concrete has to cost nothing it's right yes it's wild because we need the volume of it that we need for construction is crazy that's interesting it's awesome it's like logistics and that's what i kind of meant by like you can still be immensely wealthy and apparently own a train and the tracks um and again with like the sheet metal stuff too you know uh sheet metal is a huge one yeah 100 custom most of the time and you're not gonna like ship it across states right ideally not the styrofoam one is interesting i never thought about that but it makes sense so i did i did a case study of volumetric weight i did a case study of anvils versus ping pong balls and it's pretty traditional like if you're doing like train logistics case studies uh which one is like people do yeah yeah if you're going to school for it linus yeah yeah just like like someone would like someone would yes um volume versus weight you know styrofoam blocks ping pong balls they don't really fit well together they can take up an entire train car and there's kind of like not a very good thing to ship and then same with the anvils they're like unbelievably dense right oh wow when am i gonna get my tungsten cube kind of thing you know yeah yeah same with sheet metal same with like uh aggregates and stuff yeah oh i remember noticing um this was like many years ago i remember being surprised how few power supplies there were in like a 40 foot container and i was like oh yeah right because they can't stack it all the way up because that would be they would just crush the stuff at the bottom yeah yep um and i mean uh like that's why we were kind of talking about those plastic bins earlier yeah that's why they're so expensive yeah just because they're large it's because you're shipping around mostly air can mostly air an empty very expensive to ship air

4:51:33i like transport it's fun we just need more extremely large format 3d printers so that I can then just print a garbage can. But what's your take on CIS Sport? And should they be separated? I'm just kidding. We're not doing that. He said he likes transport. Oh my God. I'm just moving on.

4:52:01Evil Fuzzy Bunny says no. When the evil Fuzzy Bunny is telling you no, it's time to move on. I mean I gotta ding it but like I don't wanna oh yeah that actively gave me a headache nice nice sick all right next one yelling at me good oh for how long good lord who knows why did you make the rancho so long you said it's gonna be a light one. I'm gonna just start screaming at you every single time. Alright, I'll take that one. That's fair enough. I mean, look, if my controversy is gonna be five hours into the when show, there's no way that anybody actually sees it anymore. It should be fine. There's only 8 ,000 people watching over on YouTube.

4:52:50You can clip YouTube videos. People don't seem to know this, which is very strange to me. Really? You can clip YouTube videos. Yeah, no, it shows up in my dashboard if people clip stuff yeah i don't know why i don't know why people don't know that but i don't know whatever i think they just they just don't care because most of the controversial people used to be on twitch and then now it's mostly like on kick and stuff right i don't know probably not streamer get arrested yeah jack whatever door no idea dodie yep sure yeah yep wild very silly yeah didn't that isn't that david guy finally a suspect too speaking of just like famous people no idea just like yeah yeah the tesla guy tragic okay well not that he's a suspect that's good right yeah but the whole situation very tragic sure next one um hello wanda tll i remember a few years sorry i was answering uh remember a few years ago when you had mentioned you were trying to move creator warehouse products to not use any plastic packaging Is there any updates on that?

4:53:53Actually, it's been some progress. Yeah, well, sort of. One update that I have is I just got a bunch of shirts from the store and they're all in plastic bags. So thank you for reminding me to send an irate email. To be clear, there may be a very good reason. Not every supplier is able to source them and not every product is ultimately compatible with non-plastic bags. Like for instance, the backpack still to this day ships with an inflated plastic cushion in it because if we didn't put that there then there would be so much loss in backpacks that we can sell due to them being crushed and deformed which customers do not want which like you know personally i wish it weren't that way but i can't change that customers aren't going to want it um that it would be more wasteful than if we just put bags in all of them so there's and and then like there's certain products that are going to sit on a ship for so long out on the ocean for so long that if we don't put a plastic bag on them they will be damaged or degraded in some way.

4:54:51So there's no getting away from it completely. But I did think that our shirts were in glassine bags before, and I see them in plastic bags now, so I need to kind of figure out what's going on with that. Hi, LLD. How is the Corolla experiment with the Comma 3X with OpenPilot going? As someone who drives almost 1 ,000 kilometers a week, this technology fascinates me oh my god that is so many kilometers can you imagine crap i was making a joke to riley earlier about walking to toronto to get an answer for somebody who's uh off work at this time um and that's 5 000 kilometers so wait a thousand kilometers a week that's not that much is it feels like a lot feels a lot to me, I guess, but honestly, that's like if it's 100 kilometers back and forth to Vancouver.

4:55:5350 ,000 a year. Like, hold on a second. It's like standard for most people having a commute, right? Hold on. I'm not going to show screen. But I do not drive much. 100 kilometer commute? So that would be like commuting to Chilliwack and back every day. Maybe more.

4:56:12Let me see. So my old commute to NCIX was 37 kilometers. um times two yeah times two which is 70 a day times seven days a week is about 500 a week and that wasn't like assuming you're commuting to ncx on the weekend uh oh did i say sorry did i say seven well i've definitely drove around on the weekend like i definitely went so yeah i was doing drive as much on the i could see it being yes but that wasn't like the craziest commute it was only about half like 35 minutes or something like that like people do longer commutes than that People do longer commutes that aren't necessarily that much more distance.

4:56:52So if I'm in Abbotsford, like say like downtown Abbotsford or Chilliwack, if I'm in Chilliwack and commuting to downtown Vancouver, Yeah, you'd easily do a thousand kilometers a week. That is 200 kilometers a day. Yeah. And that's a thousand a week. So that's just like a long commute. Yeah, that's a long commute. That's a long commute though. It's a fair bit of driving. That's true. That's true. It's doable, but that is a long commute. So this person has to drive a lot. They have a long commute. Mixed bag. For the use case of like exactly what Dan said, you know, from Chilliwack to Vancouver and just like highway numbness, highway numbness.

4:57:33Lots of it. Really great. Sometimes. So the previous software update that I was on was like frickin awesome. Like literally made my brain feel like I had more energy. when I wasn't driving because I hadn't used so much of my limited energy every day thinking about things on driving on the highway. And it was actually really, really fortunate timing because normally I don't do a ton of highway driving. I just like commute to work and go to badminton. Um, but I just happened to have to go all the way out to Abbotsford for a volleyball game for my son. And then I just happened to have to go somewhere really far away for another reason.

4:58:14Then I happened to have to do it again. I was like, Oh, this is actually great. Cause I just switched to this thing and i really wanted to get some really solid impressions of it and um it was awesome and then i got a new update and lately i haven't checked if there's a new one in the last few days so maybe there's a new new one but the one that i had a week ago i can't get it to go to full speed so i'll set it to i'll be in a 60 zone kilometers which here in specifically the Vancouver area of British Columbia means that nobody drives 60. Everybody drives anywhere from 70 to 80. So I'll set it to like 70 and I'll be driving like 55 and people are like mad and it won't accelerate anymore.

4:59:01When I'm in the experimental mode, which has red light recognition in the non-experimental mode, the speed attainment is better, but it doesn't have red light recognition. so i just like i can't have the best of both worlds that i had on the previous update so what's cool about it is when it works well it works like so well it's like life-changing if you drive that much when it's not but you're at the mercy of software updates just like any system like this so it's it's been a mixed bag so far

4:59:30apparently after our video we like wiped out all of their stock by the way really yeah i was chatting with the visitor that I had earlier this week who was chatting with someone from there apparently or heard from someone. He joked with me because he's been LTT'd before. His site's been love hugged and his stock has just been wiped out for months by stuff that we've done in the past and apparently it happened with them is what I heard. That's pretty epic. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Just casual LTT things. linus did linus make fun of you for nuking your pop os install and will you ever do another switching to linux video series no he didn't at all in fact he he he fully acknowledged that linux is quite breakable and imperfect and he was very pragmatic and not defensive at all of of linux uh very very cool but remember he's linux kernel not major not lieutenant when you pause for so long those are my favorite um and so he doesn't he doesn't have an emotional attachment necessarily to the operating systems attached to the kernel um as for is it time yeah it's absolutely time it's time i um i'm gonna start with my living or my family room PC.

5:00:57So I'm building myself a Steam machine before general availability of the Steam machine. And we're going to go from there. I'm finally doing, I'm building that Steam machine and I'm like so excited. It's going to be my favorite computer, I think. Heck yeah. That's exciting. We've got a Flowplane one here. How many nines is Flowplane? Oh. How much would it take to add another nine? How much would you save if you dropped just one nine? Yeah. Oh, interesting. 9 % uptime. dropping 1.9 wouldn't put us to 9 % I'm pretty sure we're pretty solid yeah we are we used to track this there was an era where it was very important to Linus well there was an era where it used to go down more that's true it's only not important to me because we have to be better than Cloudflare well we got to the point where we were actually beating some like extremely major platforms and then stopped kind of tracking it so much but the team has done a fantastic job at increasing that and then it stopped being something we like cared about.

5:02:00It's like my wife stopped tracking how often I can get it up once it was like, you know, enough.

5:02:09We only had that tracker for a while. The success of it being enough, like the kids running around. Anyways, yeah, and it's really strong right now. I should probably praise the team more for that, more often. How many nines is it? I actually don't know anymore, but it's really good. How much would we save if we dropped a nine? We wouldn't. Yeah, I don't... Well, it would be down more, and that means you would save on bandwidth. So if we, like, couldn't do most of the WAN shows on Flowplane... The WAN shows specifically? We would save a lot of money by it being down. If we had a four hour outage every Friday at like 5.30 p.m.

5:02:53Yeah, you can only do like a half hour right at the end. We would save a measurable amount of money. Oh no, Floatline went down after the pre-show. But yeah, for the most part, like a lot of these services, this is one of the reasons, like tying back to the conversation earlier, like you don't buy a certain amount of nines from Cloudflare. I mean, you kind of do, but also like, but it's enough. You can't like scale it down. Yeah, you can't be like, I'd like a less reliable service, please. yeah like not really like it's their own reputation and their own personal pride because they know that the s**t's gonna roll up a hill if you have an outage so and there's a lot of like skill and ability from the team but we can't make the team smaller trust me don't try um so yeah it'd probably be harder to try and make something less reliable no uh because there's a lot of stuff like on our team oh my voice crack nice uh there's a lot of stuff on our team that is obviously contributing towards it being much more stable uh yeah i've seen some of the the tools it's like you don't even have to think about it and it just fixes itself jonathan's done some magic dude the stuff that i've seen it's pretty if i ever get poached and it is a different company so how did how did full plane work, Dan.

5:04:13I don't know. It looked cool, though. I see what you mean. Yeah, there's some really sick stuff there. So, like, within our control, there's obviously things we could do to make it worse. Got a couple more here. Hey, Linus! Will the Steamframe support lighthouse full-body trackers when using the new wireless inside-out headset? Basically, can it replace an index while keeping base station full-body tracking? Hi, I am the developer of a tool called Space Calibrator, and I was watching this WAN show video about the newly announced Valve hardware and saw you would like to try base station tracking with the Steam frame once you had one in hand.

5:04:55I'd like to be able to get in contact with you so you have a line of contact with the developer of Space Calibrator so that should you encounter issues while setting it up, I can provide guidance. Sick. Regards, hecky. So apparently there is a way to do it. haven't tried it yet don't have a steam frame yet but um i'm in touch with hecky and apparently they know heck yeah hecky heck yeah let's do it man maybe i maybe i don't get do i maybe i don't get the the big screen beyond i don't know what to do i just you can go to luke's house and try them i was gonna say i'm almost certainly gonna buy my house and buy and try them both yeah do you have the two if only there was some way for you to have access to this hardware.

5:05:39That sounds like interacting with another person. Oh my God, go ahead. Absolutely not. Yuck. Ugh. Hey, DLLL and L and Linus and Luke. What was the moment you knew that working with the other one was the right choice? There were times when I didn't feel like it was a choice, but it felt like the right thing to do.

5:06:10like we've had our ups and downs which we've like we've talked about like we've yeah we've been angry at each other we've cried we've like we've i think if you have a 10-year relationship that was always easy it probably wasn't that deep i suspect that's true you know and it's also a lot more than 10 years at this point I know which is really weird to like even think about I know we had a discussion recently that in not all that many years we will have been working together for half of my lifespan we're not there yet there's some years to go but it's not as many years as you would think yeah yeah yeah like I wonder if I've been playing Minecraft more now for longer than I haven't been playing Minecraft this is these types of things they hurt my life these questions I find very interesting Yvonne and I crossed the threshold a while ago Yep And the weird part is when you realize That it's hard to remember not Uh huh I remember when I used to talk about How I have had a ton of jobs And now I Don't say that anymore I remember remembering It's no longer true So it's gotten to the point where I don't really You can't trust the memory anymore When that's the case Yes I don't remember it, I remember the remembering of it.

5:07:34I have multiple things like that. Yeah. When did we know it was right? I don't know. I mean,

5:07:46it's been good for a long time. But also, you know, like we had a misunderstanding a couple of weeks ago. I thought I dealt with that pretty okay. No, no, yeah, you did. no no no you did you did you only scream a little no no no no no no no no i think over time luke and i have both gotten better at communicating in general yeah i think we've both gotten more i think we've both become better listeners i think that we've both reached a point where we understand each other a lot better like i i think i got there first in terms of like living in luke's head but i think that it i think that he lives in my head in a really big way now too so we kind of like we have a pretty good idea of how to approach things with each other um and like what's going to set the other one make the other one bristle a little you know like we i don't know yeah i'd say i'm this is kind of a cop-out answer but i'd say that every day is a new realization that it's the right choice and that's what makes it the right choice cute thanks uh i like that i think there was there was two there was like two major stages for me i think the denny's night i've told that story like a million times was a really big one for me i like can't even understate that's so funny because like it's a funny memory for me and i totally remember it not just remembering remember it i remember that but it was like it wasn't like when i decided or anything no i think i was i was already pretty locked in but there was a certain amount of like yeah we're actually gonna do this that was like and it doesn't matter and maybe we'll have to go back into the kitchen to get the plates yeah but like we're gonna make this thing happen there was a level of confidence that was instilled in that moment of like things are gonna get bad every now and then and we'll figure it out and it was clear that we would both do weird stuff yes to just get something done yeah yeah for those of you not familiar with the story luke and i i was driving him home because we had been we'd stayed at work so long together getting ncix tech tips filmed that the buses were no longer running this was true many hours many times yeah but this one was pretty late yeah it was like very late i think it was like three four in the morning something like that and and so i was driving him home and i was one of us was like we should get food because don't remember who but yeah i don't think we'd probably eaten in a long time and um we ordered our food and the the waitress fell asleep um and we could see that she was asleep and we could see that our food was up and instead of waking her we decided together to go and fetch the food and bring it to the table ourselves and not disturb her because she seemed like she needed the rest more than we needed her to go bring us our food but i think it was just the moment of like it's that late that even like denny's is asleep yeah uh where it was like all right yeah i don't know we're in this um And then there was another time where there was a very large amount of people that were relatively, not the most influential, but relatively influential in my life that were pushing me to like split and do my own thing.

5:11:27and it was tempting but I like thought about it for a long time and then was like nah and it wasn't long after that where it was you, me, and Yvonne in a car I don't remember where we were going or what we were doing but I told you guys like I'm in don't worry about it basically and those times were like very close to each other and that was where I was just like alright that's it I had the deep thought had the external pushes and i was like nah and then yeah there it is yeah and uh i i i see no reason for for us to rethink any of that at this point i um yeah i i really i we're very lucky uh actually in that sense because i like a lot of stars had to align for us to kind of meet that early in our careers and um you can't take that for granted like i could have just as easily hired someone completely different right at the beginning that would have been a total sort of disaster um you know luke could have just as easily applied for a real job or it could have worked really well and been stuck in somewhere dead end or who knows well i you know what no for you maybe you could have been like colossally successful to another level but for me i don't think that that's the case like i'm not going to give you credit for the success of the company but what i will say is that i with fairly close to 100 certainty would not have achieved better without you that i can say i can't say that about you i think you might have achieved greater wealth or personal influence without me there's some potential thoughts there like the something that i've kind of tried to do the math on is like the the other opportunity that i had at the time um if i went with that and then considering the like starting wage was twice as high or whatever and then tracked how that might have progressed over time and the fact that it was that much higher so compounding beginning compounding being able to get into housing earlier whatever it was like there's certain things that might have been really nice about that there's also like there have been interesting i haven't taken them but interesting opportunities that have arisen but which i'm not finding out about now like we talk about things yeah part of that has to be factored in that public persona is why people have found these things it's not necessarily the public persona that has been attractive and we wouldn't you know opportunities this ain't college basketball you know we're not asking people to work for exposure but we also can't completely ignore it there is significant benefits to it in year 2025 having recognizability and a personal brand and a following is the difference between getting in front of someone for an interview and being filtered out by an AI hiring agent for real though.

5:14:46So yeah, I don't know. It's hard to, it's, it's, I have no idea where it would end up, but I think I would have done okay. And like even, you know, and like, look, the thing is like, Luke and I have talked about this before. We may not work together forever. and if we don't then we've committed to still be friends and not let that destroy the relationship right we've we've done a lot we've seen the world together we've we've built something together you can't you can't undo that right um and and so you know one of the things we've talked about is that like and and right and so something to consider is that that effect may not be done yet that effect of the exposure of what you've built here and what you've done here and you know the audience and the recognition and the connections and everything there could be another level of connection that could still be made and there could be an offer someday that he couldn't say no to and i would it's unlikely i'm pretty all right i know i know i know but like there could be.

5:15:55And, you know, I, I have committed that that would not be the end, right? Like that's a, I hope not. I really enjoy working with people that I enjoy working with, which sounds like a recursive sentence, but, but it's so true. It is legitimate though. It is life changing. You spend so many of your waking hours at work. Well, this is why so many of the questions that come in that are like, you know, there was that one earlier in the show, which was like, how do you be a good employee. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, man, like, don't be such a drag to work with. Like, honestly, getting to neutral is like 80, 90 % of the battle.

5:16:35It's actually amazing. And if you can inject positive energy into a room when you walk into it. Wow. Wow. That's great, man. Yeah. Um, what was I going to say? There's, um, oh shoot oh right yeah i think the the influence on the beginning thing like the channel already existed it was at around if i remember correctly it was at around 80 000 when i joined yeah um i don't know the exact number but it was around there um i think it might have been like 79 uh but i just think 80 um by the time we split off it was 200 and something 250 or something No, far less than you'd think. Oh. Those badges. Yeah.

5:17:19I think they're, oh wait. Yes, no, you're right, you're right. No, I think it was 220 or so. Okay, sure. I thought it was 200 something. Yeah. And I think a lot of that was us together agreeing to try to do six or whatever it was back in the day. And then those crazy nights making sure that we filmed enough videos to stuff the channel. I think we were doing daily already actually because my - Not when I joined. oh maybe there was a gap there there was a significant i wasn't getting resources because i know that my bonus wouldn't be fulfilled unless i uploaded more than daily for ldt yeah it was 45 i could do up to 45 a month if i recall correctly so i would do videos unboxing a toblerone bar that i got for christmas like it was it was sort of pathetic yeah i know there was i know there was a period of mass uploads when i joined it was not right okay i don't remember but i i'm i'm Some of this is remembering memories.

5:18:16Which is 15 years ago now. So we're getting into like dangerously long ago territory. Yes. I mean, I couldn't remember to put a warranty on my backpack, so what do I know? You did eventually. Yeah, I don't know. It's been a time. All right, I've got one more for you. Hit me. First time live buyer from Spain. Everyone's doxing themselves today. Welcome. Kid decided to wake up at 6 a.m. I'm sorry to hear that. So I'm here. Linus, so do your kids still wake you up during the night? Give me hope. No, they don't. But it takes the discipline of putting them to bed in their own room and not letting them come crawl into your bed in the middle of the night.

5:19:07Unless they are very sick. I can count on both hands the number of times that a non-infant child has slept in our bed. It's just not a thing that my kids do. Our bed is our bed and where we do our bed stuff. And I can't do that with a kid in it. You're not that kind of YouTuber. Oh. Okay. Thanks for watching. See you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye. Oh my God.

5:19:44Most of them.