They Should Have Bought A Hard Drive - WAN Show August 14, 2026

17:18Luke Lafreniere:I was like, okay. Nokia asks, wasn't there an IPv4 shortage at one point? Yeah. There's an IPv4 shortage that is ongoing and will never end, as far as I can tell. Because it looks like we're just never going to switch to IPv6. To be clear, that is not a prediction. hopefully theoretically at some point IPv4 addresses and the limited quantities we have of them won't matter but for now it does.

17:43Linus Sebastian:Yeah AJ included this and it's just like a footnote because who cares but we got some free IPv6 too sounds good. What we cared about was buying the actual IPv4 but now that we have that we could provide internet for ourselves from the Kolo Center. Holy s**t. Which would mean that you could have Linus ISP tips as your internet service provider at the office. Linus Lisp tips.

18:25Linus Sebastian:Entirely possible. You could be your own ISP with one customer which is you. I'm my own ISP. I mean, technically there's more than one customer because the ISP would have the customer of like float plane and also the offices. Right. So float plane's a reseller now? So, okay. Kinda, because float plane services Sauce Plus and float plane and does some other little things.

18:53Luke Lafreniere:So Black Raven asks, what stops an individual home user from being their own ISP? At an individual home level, the economics don't make any sense, but there are towns that have had really poor service from the major ISPs and have just pulled together their tax revenues and made their own ISP. That is a thing. Because if you make a connection to an exchange, then if you own the network addressing that you need.

19:26Linus Sebastian:And you can pay to go over other people's lines, which is how a lot of small ISPs work.

19:31Luke Lafreniere:The internet is just a series of tubes. So if you have the equipment and you have the lines or you lease access to them, you can join the big network that we call the internet. Are we sure this makes sense?

19:50Linus Sebastian:What we're definitely sure of is it saves a lot of money. Okay. So much money. Does it really save so much money? So much money. Like 400 grand over five years. Oh. Yeah. That's everything combined. That's having the servers in the co-location center. That's being our own ISP. That's basically AJ's been sitting in the back cooking up a crazy witch's brew, and it's going to save you 400 grand over five years.

20:20Luke Lafreniere:While we're at it, I mean, I've been thinking about it some more, and I feel like we should just do the VPN product, too. I think we drew a very arbitrary line before. I think we should just do it. We'll become an ISP. We'll become a VPN provider. It'll be great. We're both of them.

20:38Linus Sebastian:We're going to know what your traffic is doing no matter what. Nice. You put on our network and you VPN it. We're going to know. I love it. Yeah, I don't know. So we're moving. We're shaking. We're trying to make things happen. Okay.

20:57Luke Lafreniere:Right. So because we have a rack at the exchange, so how does our access from here to the exchange work, though? What do you mean? Sorry. Like that fiber line.

21:10Linus Sebastian:Yeah. So we will need to lease that fiber line. But that's the same way. That's what I was kind of getting into. It's like there's tons of like small, like super regional ISPs. Yeah. Which I know because we use one.

21:21Luke Lafreniere:Oh, yeah. So then what's their role in any of this?

21:25Linus Sebastian:The super regional one is nothing.

21:27Luke Lafreniere:Is nothing.

21:27Linus Sebastian:No. So we just, whatever. Because they are renting lines from someone else. So we will just skip that and rent lines for the people that they're renting lines from. Got it.

21:36Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

21:37Linus Sebastian:And then would we still have. Which is another dodge in costs. Right. So it kind of layers. It's like an onion of cost saving. It's the Shrek of internet. Yeah.

21:48Luke Lafreniere:Shrek net. You just keep saving. Do we need to spin up a new company for this? Because if we do, I want it to be called ShrekNet.

22:00Linus Sebastian:AJ's also pointing out, you could technically use this as a weird form of redundancy as well, because we have the crazy switch at the colo. If Telus went down, as far as my understanding goes, and I'm still learning a lot about this, so AJ can correct me, but if Telus went down, if we had our contracts arranged in the right way, which this might be stupid, but I think you could, If Telus went down, I think you could literally just be like, Welp, I guess we're on Rogers now and just not lose internet. I think.

22:29Luke Lafreniere:As long as it's not somebody putting a shovel through our fiber. That'd be a little rough.

22:34Linus Sebastian:Got it.

22:34Luke Lafreniere:Okay.

22:35Linus Sebastian:I think that works. AJ can correct me.

22:37Luke Lafreniere:While we're at it, Floatplane Chat asks, Okay, why not cellular service then? There's a dead spot right by my house that causes me no amount of frustration because I cannot open and close my garage doors with my phone because it uses your Wi-Fi for CarPlay and Android Auto, and my cellular service doesn't work right next to my house. So it's really annoying. Sorry. So if I could just put a tower there, that would be swell. I would be super down.

23:13Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I have no idea about that at all. Okay. That's maybe a later thing to look into. Something else he was describing to me, is because the colo center, we can make like a LAN ring. So like if our network from the studio to the lab went down for some reason, that's okay because the studio can talk to the lab through the colo center. Okay. Which is like sick. Okay. So there's like, there's a lot of really kind of, there's been a lot going on, so I haven't had like a crazy amount of time to talk to AJ about it, but every time I talk to AJ about it, I'm just like, what?

23:53Luke Lafreniere:It sounds very fun. All right. Okay. Cool. Yes, I still have the cell repeaters in my house, but I ran out of interior antenna slots on my repeater, and all of those are used inside the house, so they're not useful in front of the garage, which is where I have my problem right now. Very, very annoying. And I even just switched ISPs to make it, or not ISPs, mobile providers, so that I can do conference calls on the way to and from work. Because the one that I was on before had a couple of dead zones that were too dead. And then the new one, I'm able to make calls to and from the office, but still cannot open my garage door.

24:36Luke Lafreniere:So part of the problem is the noise blocking glass in my car. It turns out it's also cellular signal blocking glass. so sometimes i'll i'll be that guy where i'm like i really need to close my garage door right now uh oh yeah can you hear me now can you hear me now boop okay yeah ridiculous add a stop sign

24:55Linus Sebastian:so aj added the the unfortunate part in flowpoint chat oh the two switches will total not not each together about 65 grand

25:15Linus Sebastian:which will equate like all the costs in is roughly what we would have been paying if we didn't do anything over the course of 12 months and then you'll be saving money after that

25:36Luke Lafreniere:and we need two of these switches okay is the second one just for redundancy yeah but it's

25:42Linus Sebastian:total can i just have one no and not have redundancy no why because if the whole float plane service goes down it's your fault but it's not it's not 65k twice i know i got that okay

26:00Luke Lafreniere:65k is okay is it at least canadian dollars or is it like real money you don't know you're just waiting for aj i think it's cad i think it's okay well that would help i don't remember that would

26:11Linus Sebastian:help a lot i don't remember oh it's in the dock it's all in the dock yeah everything's in the dock yeah aj's totally gonna apply he'll say man oh man i just a break even of 12 months sounds pretty good it is pretty good it doesn't change the fact that it's still 65 and this is but this is why

26:30Luke Lafreniere:that's cat this is okay that helps a lot so it's like 40 000 real dollars like 45 um but this is why businesses have a hard time all the way back making these kinds of decisions because paying a few grand every month is something that you can plan for you could you just it smooths out your your your your expenses and your income because i don't i don't just suddenly have necessarily 65 000 of excess income right now i it's hard to plan around that i mean think about it for like your personal life as well why do so many people finance a car you're paying way more

27:11Linus Sebastian:for it buy the okay thing that's gonna break down pretty soon instead of the the really expensive thing that might last your whole life because it's really brutal to buy the really expensive thing

27:22Luke Lafreniere:and so i just super normal i mean realistically we're probably gonna do it it'll make a great episode of holy shit on the channel dude the switches are nuts okay aj linked me the like

27:35Linus Sebastian:product page for my brain exploded it's crazy they look so wild i've never even considered something like like i knew that type of infrastructure would exist somewhere yeah you

27:50Luke Lafreniere:know so i've never really considered like what it would be tell me this like at what point like would i would it make sense if i wanted like super low latency like the best quality internet at my house would i should i should i lease the line to there like like where where does it end we could look into how much that would cost like what would it cost to be our

28:16Linus Sebastian:own isp for like everyone who works here as far as well okay yeah like if you're because that gets

28:23Luke Lafreniere:really messy what i'm asking is is what how does the lease work is it by the like the line where it goes i wouldn't think so it probably wouldn't even be by wavelength either because a lot of that would be shared so is it just by total network utilization so as long as i don't think so if we told the staff here like as long as you have you know tell us fiber to your neighborhood then we can offer you lisp for for uh for a low for a little low low price i

29:01Linus Sebastian:knew it was gonna end up being linus internet service provider somehow i knew it it's it's in my like joe we have all hands on monday it's in my like jokey notes for the all hands is linus internet service

29:12Luke Lafreniere:like could it be a better price than buying from telus or whatever okay apparently no no

29:19Linus Sebastian:apparently aj just said we can actually gain access to tell us last mile gpon service which i think is aj ford yes i don't aj that's so complicated i don't want to be an internal isp for all the employees that's gonna be so much work but it wouldn't make sense for us since we're power users.

29:41Luke Lafreniere:What does that mean?

29:42Linus Sebastian:That doesn't mean anything. That means nothing, AJ, and I think that was intentional. Maybe. Maybe. Thank you, AJ. I think we need to not do this. Oh, we might use the availability that we have. Yeah, and we're

29:57Luke Lafreniere:better off sharing quota with grandma who sends like three emails. Yeah, okay. That actually makes sense. Sorry, AJ, that

30:07Linus Sebastian:was reasonable. I don't think we should be an ISP for all of LMG employees. I don't think that's a good idea.

30:15Luke Lafreniere:Do it. Do it for fun.

30:17Linus Sebastian:It'd be pretty badass, though.

30:18Luke Lafreniere:Oh, my God.

30:20Linus Sebastian:It'd be so cool. Okay, buy a bunch more fat switches. Oh, no. Yeah, there you go. No! No! No.

30:32Luke Lafreniere:Got them. So how many IPv4 addresses do we own, then? 256, I think. Wow, that's not bad. Yeah. Okay. Pretty sure. What did we pay for those? Like seven grand. Okay.

30:47Linus Sebastian:Again, we could resell them.

30:48Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

30:49Linus Sebastian:That's like actually an asset that I was like fairly unconcerned about acquiring. That's crazy. The Switches, I don't know how many people are going to be looking for them on Facebook Marketplace. So those might just be a cost. Yeah. Yeah.

31:05Luke Lafreniere:And now we have those Switches forever. yeah neat yeah i mean a lot of networking equipment is like that it has no life outside of the data center like some home labber might tinker around with them here and there but the the size of the market for these things the secondary market is like negligible that would have 400 gig port dude my god several as far as my understanding goes no don't look

31:33Linus Sebastian:them up now we'll save it for no i'm not i'm not total switching capacity has to be obscene it's it's uh it's yeah it's uh it's kind of mind-blowing um okay and we're not we're not getting like bougie ones we're also not getting like rat-tastic ones either okay um aj send me the specs i want to look at them when i go home that would have myself that would have its own potential problems you know but we we got like fairly scrappy ones but okay but ones that seem

32:05Luke Lafreniere:good okay um yeah i mean i'm potentially open to it as long as we can make content out of it the problem is if we don't do it yeah the costs again doing this saves 400 grand over five years

32:18Linus Sebastian:not doing this costs 400 grand over five years right so it's like 65k now right penny saved penny earned. Yeah. So, I don't know. I mean, it's technically in your guys' hands. I've also talked to Taryn about it, but I know that an expense this high is going to have to go up as well. He'll talk to me about it. So I'm going both angles right now. Because if you guys do decide to say no, I would just question what the strategy is. Because, okay, the$400K savings over five years, as far as my understanding goes, also is just from the OVH payments. Well, that also just assumes that everything's going to stay flat for five years.

32:55Linus Sebastian:That too, which it like very likely will go up more. Yeah, I know. So it's like, I understand it's tough. Yeah, it is. It's a lot of money. It's very tough. It's maybe even ROG. It's a step above tough. It's a lot of money when things are rough too. But think about it, man. We can potentially get enterprise hardware and sponsors and stuff on the videos. We can make videos about it. Yeah. You want to make videos about being your own ISP? Yeah, I do. That's kind of fun. That's pretty cool. A lot of this project sounds really freaking sick. Can we shoot at the colo? I don't 100 % know yet. Okay, because that would be amazing.

33:32Linus Sebastian:Being able to shoot at the colo would be sick. That would be a huge difference. As far as my understanding goes, we reached out. I don't think they just like said no. Okay. I think there was, they were like, what? Yeah. But it wasn't an immediate no. There's some issues because of other people's stuff.

33:47Luke Lafreniere:So what I was going to say, I know it's a thing where you can, maybe it's for a fee or something, but you can have like blanked out. Covered. covers so maybe we just have covers on ours so we can do whatever we want inside ours maybe we could suggest that so that we can't see anybody else's cage from inside our cage yeah something

34:04Linus Sebastian:like that maybe like i i'm gonna try to play ball with them because i would like to aj says they said most likely nice okay i didn't hear that update but that's great yeah that's that's terrific because

34:14Luke Lafreniere:that makes a huge difference to us because all of a sudden like it's been crazy i'm behind on emails we could go to someone like you know I don't want to put any words in anyone's mouth but we could go to companies in this space and they have such an appetite for oh you're doing something that's like actually kind of sexy and cool with like boring business iron yeah let's do it they tend to be pretty enthusiastic about it so that would be really exciting

34:42Linus Sebastian:yeah it's just there's a lot there's a lot of cool that comes from it There's a lot of like and to be transparent one of the reasons why the capex is actually so low because that capex for those switches is like Almost all of it. Okay, there's very little outside of that like genuinely very little right. That's good And the reason for that is because we just have a lot of stuff, right? Oh

35:08Luke Lafreniere:That's what Thomas was doing Probably I saw him dumpster diving And just like He had just like Every server From the warehouse And he was like Going through them We're trying to make stuff happen Brett Ah Ah

35:25Linus Sebastian:I like it I like it The inside of the rack Is already isolated Because of physical access Right Okay So that makes sense So you have to be able to go there Yeah Because it's a colo center So you have to be able to go there To service your own stuff But not all of them necessarily

35:39Luke Lafreniere:have like complete like blanket covers. Yeah, so we just got to make sure. We just got to make sure.

35:46Linus Sebastian:Yeah, it might even. I'm just, I'm not, yeah, I'm not sure what the situation necessarily is, but it's the whole thing is very interesting. So yeah, again a lot of the big bulk storage would still be over in OVH in Quebec because that pricing is expected to not go up as much and buying 10 trillion hard drives right now sounds terrible. It really does. So we'll just keep doing that. That also kind of helps because my 321 backup brain goes wait a second. Earthquake.

36:16Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. We live on a major fault line and it's way overdue. My entire life I've been told the big one's coming. Not here yet.

36:28Linus Sebastian:Any minute now the big one's coming. I'm like oh alright. And as far as our understanding goes the big one here if it does happen will be.

36:36Luke Lafreniere:The longer it goes the more More pressure there is, apparently. I don't know. I'm not a geologist. Yeah, I don't know either. I don't know how fault lines work.

36:46Linus Sebastian:But apparently this one's going to be very brutal. Yeah, there you go. Nice. Both of us. So, yeah, the data would still be kept over there. Yep. The compute stuff, Jonathan's done some just insanely attractive things with Kubernetes. So, like, if it did all blow up, you could spin it up somewhere else really quickly. So we're not super worried about that part. um so all right yeah good luck everybody yeah because i know there was there was a question of like we moved uh we moved some things i'm gonna be slightly vague i think you know about this onto floatplane infrastructure recently which saved like 17 grand a year and then there was some questions that came up with when i've been kind of talking around about this project internally where people were like well what what's happening with that because you like just talked about that it's like well that's still happening and literally where it was still happening like we're not even moving that part yeah we're moving a lot of the compute and everything

37:42Luke Lafreniere:do we need to look at like what is it next cloud like we've had all these conversations about like teams and oh i was like how would that

37:52Linus Sebastian:help us with this okay no i'm just talking other things i'm just talking self-hosting in general is it is it time it's time to consider some of it um i know like you and i have talked about okay so we have we have slack for some of the labs people and all of the flow plane people we have google workspace for everyone yeah and we have teams for office 365 for like everyone minus maybe a couple. Yeah. Because basically everybody. Do we consolidate these services? Or do we get rid of all of them? I feel like ripping my own heart out, but we're almost certainly going to get rid of Slack. So that's one that's just going to go.

38:39Linus Sebastian:It's way too expensive per user. I love it compared to Teams. Teams is a rotten pile of poo. I was in a meeting earlier today and I really needed to look something up that was in Teams messages and they just wouldn't load. It's like, cool, nice. Discord would have loaded just fine. I wish Discord had a corporate edition, but they don't. I know one of the opponents to leaving Office 365, because I've brought up like, how painful would it be to lose Google Drive? And you, amongst many others, including myself, have been like, that's not really an option. So the easier one for me would be Microsoft.

39:16Linus Sebastian:one of the opponents to losing office 365 is infra because the like authentication stuff yeah is single sign on baby is more ubiquitous it's not necessarily better i think it's worse but it's more ubiquitous on the microsoft side yeah so it's like oh jonathan did pipe up in here

39:38Luke Lafreniere:i don't know if you noticed him in float plane chat he says we have next cloud with high performance backend running in Kubernetes with custom Helm chart.

39:45Linus Sebastian:Yeah, that was a project we did internally to try to validate if we can use it.

39:48Luke Lafreniere:Oh, okay.

39:49Linus Sebastian:And? Not for everything.

39:52Luke Lafreniere:Maybe

39:53Linus Sebastian:for some stuff, though.

39:54Luke Lafreniere:I know they're moving pretty quick and they are like...

39:56Linus Sebastian:They do seem to be moving pretty quick.

39:57Luke Lafreniere:They are... No offense, you guys, but kind of overly attached girlfriend about working with us, too. Like, they email me probably once every quarter or so going, hey! The second you mentioned them on the show,

40:11Linus Sebastian:I was like, there's an email.

40:15Linus Sebastian:it's like all right incoming uh we have not forgotten about you i'll say that much yeah

40:20Luke Lafreniere:we're we're aware and they do seem to be moving pretty fast i think they're moving fast and i get the feeling that if we were to move on to them it would be a benefit to them having an organization like us give feedback to help guide bug fixes and and short-term you know fires that need to be put out i suspect they would be very motivated to do that i guess is where i'm i think there'd be a bit

40:53Linus Sebastian:of a give and take there yeah there's there's so not to be mean to next cloud i think it's a really fantastic project uh vdka in full plane chat said too bad next cloud breaks their own stuff every other update my notes app has been dead for weeks because of a right lock bug they have not fixed google drive is gonna work yeah like pretty much no matter what and like i i trash on cloud stuff all the time this topic is technically us trashing on cloud stuff because of the uh

41:26Luke Lafreniere:wherever it went okay station losing their data fun fact okay this is me trying to open a google doc earlier today can't open this document sorry google docs is that the reliable the reliability of google services has been moving the wrong direction for me for 10 years yeah no i agree do you know how i fixed this search is also useless now you want to know how i fixed it watch this it's the stupidest fix ever i already see where it's going make a copy yep i made a copy and then the copy's readable and immediately it opened yep

42:07Linus Sebastian:un-fucking-believable i also have issues where i can't freaking find anything in google drive um like very often it's an issue i think the search is really bad now search for google in general has just gone down the hole which is wild it's weird to even say that let's search on everything for them man i the fact that i've been finding it easier to find certain youtube videos by googling it than searching it on youtube is mind-blowing yvonne did that the other day i was

42:31Luke Lafreniere:like why aren't you searching on youtube and she's like this just works better it does and

42:34Linus Sebastian:she found it immediately yeah it like actually does and that's with google search degrading the way that it has which is just wild the whole thing is just very confusing um so i don't know it's it's an evaluation we've been honestly a little bit brain sniped by this co-location thing um because there are renewal dates upcoming oh that are like very important

43:01Luke Lafreniere:so we're trying to move fast right is one of them related to the email chain that aj and i were in i see but there's like a bunch of them i understand yeah um so like and getting it all aligned so that you're not paying for your expensive off-prem stuff at the same time as your capex on your on-prem or like co-located stuff and there's like shipping times right and

43:27Linus Sebastian:things that we need to be and availability of anything with an IC in it these days is not

43:31Luke Lafreniere:to be taken for granted uh-huh so it's tough it's uh i think that's a habit you picked up from me what these so it's tough i say that all the time every once in a while maybe you hang out with someone for long enough that you just you pick up mannerisms from each other i i have luke isms too that drive me nuts because I'll say them and I'll be like, I can almost hear it in your voice. You combing some things with bricks or what? What are your Lucasms? No, the ones that make sense. Man, I can't even think of it off the top of my head, but they'll just pop out of my mouth. And I'm just like, oh, I picked that up from that freaking guy.

44:15Linus Sebastian:Drive me crazy. I wonder how many people like actually even know actually where that reference is from anymore. Comb with a brick? Yeah.

44:23Luke Lafreniere:It was a WAN show a thousand years ago or something. It was a WAN show in the garage. Yeah, something like that.

44:27Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

44:30Linus Sebastian:Yeah, it's tough. Oh, yeah, there it is again. Now I'm not going to be able to say that without thinking about that. You can't out-notice it. Yeah. But it's this, and this is happening, to be clear. Like, we've got some really exciting things going on. It's terrifying for short-term checkbooks, really exciting for long-term checkbooks. This would save us money even if the price increases weren't coming. no keys got it exciting i say that's wild that's all 100 lucasm that i picked up

45:00Luke Lafreniere:yeah thank you no key yeah you nailed it because i never said that before in my life that's interesting and i picked it up from him 100 percent uh but yeah this this is happening

45:10Linus Sebastian:to everyone um don't get it twisted we are not the only ones going through this problem

45:14Luke Lafreniere:no and that's part of the problem is that it's happening to everybody right now yeah this is not isolated it's like industry-wide this is macro forces that are just making their way in unexpected ways um into the daily lives of just like randos running youtube channels

45:32Linus Sebastian:speaking of unexpected ways i i think i've talked to you about this before but like i met the guy a while back i don't know if i don't think he still does this anymore but i met the guy a while back who runs like he was the cto of i think it was kroger international yeah all right turns out they have like massive amounts of like servers and stuff.

45:51Luke Lafreniere:Kroger, like the paper company.

45:53Linus Sebastian:No, the grocery chain. Oh, that one. Sorry, sorry. Which one's, oh, is there? Sorry, yep. I was thinking about this earlier today where like I'm looking at this and talking about how it's all cyclical or not cyclical. It's all circular.

46:05Luke Lafreniere:Oh, Kruger, sorry. Kruger's a paper company.

46:06Linus Sebastian:No, no, you're right. Oh, okay, okay. Where like, you know, all these other things are making other costs go up which make other costs go up and all cascades. That's the word I'm looking for. you're like bananas are going to cost more because of ai

46:27Linus Sebastian:because companies have to recoup their costs that's bananas and if i'm gonna go with that now instead of that's wild that'll be my own thing if if they have crazy costs going up because of uh you know hardware increases if they have costs going up because hey their password manager just is going up 20 percent if they have costs going up because of etc etc etc that are cascading all over the place if their machines for automated checkout need to go up in price if they're etc it's all going to cascade down onto costs which are going to cascade down onto you which is going to make your bananas or whatever else you're buying potentially cost more so it's it's impacting like everything and obviously different companies are going to get impacted to different degrees for some companies it's going to make effectively no difference for other companies is going to make a very large difference.

47:17Linus Sebastian:For Flowplane, for instance, this is like, oh, God. Really bad, terrifying, solve the problem now type situation. For other companies, it would be less impactful.

47:30Luke Lafreniere:So, Noki found it using Filnot. You ready, Dan? Nope. Wait, the wall was white? So, the wall... Is that the... No, no. this is um this is at the langley house i believe yeah but you had a oh not tech link sorry this was with the boxes piled up but sometimes they all fell down so we just had product boxes behind us as a as a set i just i thought the bench den area had pegboard in it really fast uh no that was in the garage this is at the langley house this isn't in the bench den this is in the bedroom

48:09Linus Sebastian:I had remembered this being in the garage Okay

48:15Luke Lafreniere:Oh, I can't hear Am I supposed to be able to hear?

48:19Linus Sebastian:Will be combed Like a brick

48:25Linus Sebastian:That's when you're just moving into the house Yeah, I guess we weren't

48:36Luke Lafreniere:Oh, alright Well, cool. Hey look after party link. It was a separate show. Was it on the same channel?

48:45Linus Sebastian:What does that mean? Like everything will be looked at. Come with a brick. Your face! I can tell what I said at.

49:03Linus Sebastian:I've never gone back and watched that. You just had this reference for years.

49:07Luke Lafreniere:That is the most motherfucker.

49:10Linus Sebastian:What did you just say that I think I've ever...

49:17Linus Sebastian:Oh, man, that was pretty good. I couldn't even hear it. That was pretty good.

49:23Luke Lafreniere:13 years ago.

49:25Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

49:26Luke Lafreniere:Oh, dude, we're so old, especially me. Speaking of which, we should probably do a new topic. I got myself a birthday present. Yeah. Not on purpose, mind you. I ordered it a year ago. These guys apparently build these things to order. Oh. And in spite of the fact that they seem like a decent sized company and have been around for quite a while. They make tennis training machines. So, you know, those ones that just like lob balls over the net and you can return them. They do them for soccer. Apparently, that's a thing. You just load it up with like soccer balls and it just kicks them at you. or something.

50:08Luke Lafreniere:Volleyball, squash, table tennis, reaction lights, paddle, pickleball. They have a pickleball training feeder thing. Well, guess what? They also make badminton feeding machines. This was a recommendation from that English pair that came over for a couple of collabs. And apparently the German national team uses, I believe it is, this guy right here, the 8025A. Can this go away, please? Badminton, oh my god, websites are unusable. Okay, there we go. So, 8A hardcore quality intelligent equipment. This arrived today. Have you used it? Did you use it? I tried it today. How was it? So, I'm going to talk about this in a little bit more detail at the All Hands on Monday, but there's going to be a bit of a content pivot on LTT.

51:14Luke Lafreniere:Oh, okay. LTT is going to become a little bit less of like, okay, this is the type of video that goes on the Linus Tech Tips channel versus this is the type of video that goes on TechQuickie or on Short Circuit or on wherever, whatever other channels. And LTT is going to be way more just what I want to make a video about. so sometimes it'll be an unboxing sometimes it might be a review sometimes it might just be like i'm building a weird ai server in my basement um and i feel like it's been a long time coming i

51:57Linus Sebastian:think this is great especially right now i think this kind of has made sense for a long time i also think this especially makes sense right now because i don't know i i had a this chat quite a few times. He changed it.

52:16Luke Lafreniere:I tried to press I don't know.

52:19Linus Sebastian:That's wild.

52:25Luke Lafreniere:What does mine say? Dude.

52:31Linus Sebastian:He changed it. That's wild.

52:39Luke Lafreniere:Let's pay dividends. little text buttons that was that was pretty good all right uh man what was i even saying

52:46Linus Sebastian:oh right at open sauce we had a bunch of conversations with people about like what do you even do now like i i make content in a field that the field is toxic right now yeah like it just sucks no one wants to yeah be looking at this stuff right now computer hardware is way too expensive even if you can still afford to buy it it's really painful it feels bad And it just sucks and it just feels bad.

53:14Luke Lafreniere:And sometimes you can find deals. Yep. And people don't want to hear that either because the deal is not as good as it was 10 months ago.

53:24Linus Sebastian:They might not be able to find one because, I mean, I found one. It took me months. Yep. Like this is, it's not super reasonable. What if your timeline had to be shorter? Like it's just kind of icky right now. but it's not like when that viewership floats away that nerds who like nerdy techie things are just gone no if anything i feel like they're hungry for something to engage with and we have seen that in some cases where there's like tech creators that aren't making stuff that's super centralized around like performance computer hardware yep that are actually doing better than they were i mean but most like effectively everybody that's in the computer hardware tech creator space thing is going down but people that are close to it are going up which is just very

54:12Luke Lafreniere:interesting i mean even looking at the kind of stuff that dude you're only buying a printer is successful on our channel i mean just replacing a battery with my daughter almost a million views that's the kind of content that before I kind of decided okay it's just going to be whatever I'm doing today we wouldn't have uploaded because I would have been like oh I don't know if there's enough meat on this bone I don't know if there's enough learnables but then I was just like no my daughter's phone is broken and this is an opportunity for her to do something she's never done before and there's a whole new generation of viewers that is just like her and hasn't seen me replace a battery before why are we afraid to do this?

54:54Luke Lafreniere:It's also not as normal now Which makes it interesting And she had a blast Actually you know what's really Kind of funny but also she like Was almost in tears about it Is on last Friday, no not last Friday Earlier this week My other daughter Broke that phone Dropped it and the screen Shattered Yeah you're right it's kind of funny But it's also really sad The timing blows she just fixed it so cat just fixed it she just had this like honestly kind of fun experience of like she's invested in it and she has like more of an emotional attachment to it it's something we did together and i'm looking at it going okay well like now what path do we take because it's already a six or seven year old phone or something like that and i like was barely even wanting to buy a new battery for it let alone a new screen which is a way more invasive replacement and like uh and more expensive than the battery do we just do i just get her a new phone now it's pretty close to her birthday also it would put her on the same cycle as the other two kids who both just got new phones like there's a lot of reasons but then part of me is just like no but we should just we should just frankenstein's monster phone of the css it and we should just i don't know which which way would you go she needs a stylus not needs but she loves the stylus

56:30Linus Sebastian:so that really limits my options even cool that she likes the stylus too i would almost see that

56:36Luke Lafreniere:as a benefit what new phones have a stylus very few like the top end um the top end s series phones do but they're huge whereas the note 10 not the plus the note 10 was a very reasonable size for a kid still ish like i meant i miss reasonable sized phones yeah what the heck is there a route

57:01Linus Sebastian:oh man this stuff is so complicated because it's like how how does the kid respond to it so i was going to say like this is this is more expense sorry by the way 65 000 and switches but what if you got her to replace the screen and as a reward for replacing the screen then she can sell the phone and we'll get her new one

57:22Luke Lafreniere:she gets the nice new one yeah or something like that I could see us doing that yeah I'll think about it

57:31Linus Sebastian:because like I don't know how much that phone's worth but I think just the process if she enjoyed the previous one showing her that there can be a reward and fixing things i think is is cool does that make sense even if it's not fixing it for you

57:50Luke Lafreniere:dan's in chat you know you're right here dan uh he says make the one who broke it fix it yeah why not why not she's still a little young for that delicate of an operation i don't think the phone's already broken yeah and the stakes are lower this time because absolutely of what happened last time i did set up backup on it so at least we're not like like don't break this thing i started when i was like 3d and i turned out normal

58:26Linus Sebastian:so i'm excited for that project next week dad me too see make or fix a screen do it

58:37Luke Lafreniere:what i'll think about it i'll think about it yeah i think fixing the screen like if if

58:42Linus Sebastian:you know i think you did this with 3d printing you you sowed an interest she displayed some interest in thank you uh in replacing the battery do you just kind of keep that going it's 80 bucks kind of sucks maybe you can recover some of that cost reselling the phone. I really don't expect a seven-year-old phone is worth a bunch.

59:07Luke Lafreniere:A couple hundred bucks still. Really? Well, it's kind of a unique phone. I would definitely do it then. Yeah, and it has a fresh battery in it now. Whether you keep it or not.

59:14Linus Sebastian:I would replace the screen. Brand new screen, brand new battery version of that phone. It's probably worth an okay amount.

59:21Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, it's probably worth something. Anyway, video coming soon on the badminton machine 8025, but here's a much worse version of it but it just kind of craps shuttles at you and then you hit them it's pretty cool and it works surprisingly well rentable at the batman i don't know exactly what to do with it i mostly got it because i always wanted one and i thought it would be super cool

59:52Linus Sebastian:but i wasn't sure what to do with it it could be interesting as like a nighttime rentable thing because during prime hours i'm assuming you want more more feet on courts yeah i was gonna say butts and seats but not in this case you want feet on courts um but maybe at night time when you have like idle empty courts you could rent out the the practice machine yeah i could see that i

1:00:16Luke Lafreniere:mean depending on how much people are paying to rent the machine because it would have to have a pretty considerable cost yeah because we have to like set it up and tear it down no absolutely for you presumably so i would assume it'd be like a hundred bucks an hour or something like that i have no idea but and it's it's like a it's like a it's gonna have to be not that cheap

1:00:34Linus Sebastian:yeah it can't it can't be super super cheap maybe it could be a program thing where you get like you buy like a bundle of sessions with it or something i could see something like that i

1:00:43Luke Lafreniere:could see someone potentially pairing that with um a training program uh magi 1999 says that's too steep do you have any idea how much a coach to sit and feed you shuttles costs like it's so first of all we're talking canadian dollars so that's something um but like coaches are over a hundred dollars an hour for the ones with like a good reputation these days and from the limited time that i've spent with it so far the feeding quality is super consistent how how long does it take to set up and take down it's pretty quick how much is the cost of the thing uh it was like eight or nine grand like if you're if you're renting you go to like um like uh like united you go to united rentals or something you rent a paint sprayer right you're talking like a 700 dollar uh or actually they're a little more than that these days i think they're like probably closer to a thousand plus like you rent like a thousand dollar paint sprayer it'll easily cost you like a hundred plus dollars a day easily like the economics around renting stuff are kind of crazy to me that's why we bought all the tables and chairs for whale land yeah because by the time we ran i think it was like three lands we could literally afford to just buy all of our own tables and chairs like okay so how much is a coach an hour you said a little over 100 so it's like 115 up to like 150 160 oh okay like for the for the really good ones now obviously a machine like this is not giving you feedback on your form.

1:02:14Luke Lafreniere:So there's a trade-off there, but it also is able to feed super consistently. You will get in more reps with this. So horses for courses, I could see it being a little lower. I mean, I have no horse in this race. And also the shuttles. So you can't just, I don't think you can just put garbage shuttles in it. and we today we stacked two thousand canadian dollars worth of shuttles in it so there's a cost there because they're hitting them right they will wear okay so it includes the

1:02:52Linus Sebastian:the shuttle cost i could see that if you want to soften that blow yeah but keep it the same price i think you lower the cost of the machine but make someone buy effectively new shuttles with it because you don't want bad shuttles going through it because it'll hurt the machine i i

1:03:08Luke Lafreniere:think people would put bad shuttles in it if you don't include them so i think it's better to have a combined rate and we just control the quality of of the projectiles you take your shuttles home at the end of the day when you're done playing with the machine um no one's going to be able to do that kind of an upfront yeah i'm going to buy two grand worth of shuttles to put in it so it would have to be no no i'm saying that's like part of the benefit you take them home yeah no you wouldn't so they would go back in the machine because they can they can be reused for quite a while but it would include the wear and tear on them that you that you go through in your session kind of thing i could say that so so okay because there's two thousand

1:03:47Linus Sebastian:dollars worth of shuttles whatever they're never reloading as a you as a user uh they might have to

1:03:52Luke Lafreniere:but they'd have so they have to you have to it's and that's like the worst part of adamantin training is picking up all the stupid shuttles and yeah i'm just thinking because like if i this might

1:04:01Linus Sebastian:be a sketchy part of renting it out is what if somebody loads a bad shuttle yeah then i i think

1:04:08Luke Lafreniere:it shouldn't just like be destroyed by a slightly worn out one like it's not that big of a deal okay and the all the hoppers are clear so you can see what's in it so if there's like crap in it then you could just clean it and the buttheads put the thing in you just yeah put a new one in all right anyway so i've got a video coming on that it was pretty exciting i co-hosted it with my son that's another thing that i think you guys are going to see more of is just like this is something that you know me and the family are interested in so we're just gonna like make a video about it are we doing the thing that i uh but i retire and i'm replaced by my children is that what you want fine fine you know what no fine no i'll quit right now okay i'm back this What is this?

1:04:55Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I don't see why not.

1:04:56Linus Sebastian:Should I bring that up? Yeah, sure, yeah. Let's talk about it. Something that I've been talking to Linus about doing is my dad's system. So my dad... It's a crazy build. It's so wicked. My dad is a plumber by trade. He's a plumbing instructor now. And he built this case out of copper pipe. It's like a fairly big copper pipe. Whole frame all the way around. If you've been to Whale Land, you might have seen it. He's brought it a couple times. um he wants to use the case itself as a radiator with an emergency out for like particularly hot summer days where he can connect it to an external rad just in case but normally it should be fine he did a bunch of math on it he was working with rod on it uh rod said it's such a cool case which to me just means that it's a fact um i so yeah we're gonna do i don't think i've even mentioned this to rod but uh here we go that's one of the reasons i wanted to mention it now is because i knew rod was in chat uh so we're gonna try to do that on the channel uh which i think like a couple years ago when the idea first came up it didn't make as much sense for the channel but with the new vibe that you're talking about it like suddenly makes a lot of sense yeah channel i think so too um so there's some plans i have yet to ask for it but we've been thinking that like oh man it's such a perfect board for this.

1:06:15Linus Sebastian:I hope they say yes. What is it? The Asus 2006. The anniversary one?

1:06:20Luke Lafreniere:It's so expensive. We have one.

1:06:22Linus Sebastian:It's so perfect for it. Oh man.

1:06:24Luke Lafreniere:It's upstairs. It's so perfect for it. Should I go get it? Sure. I think I know exactly where it is. Maybe just do a quick checkout message while I'm gone.

1:06:32Linus Sebastian:Impossibly perfect for this build. He's going to grab it, but there's a bunch of copper accents on it. The heat sinks are like kind of exposed copper heat sinks, and it has a back plate on the motherboard, which is just this like huge copper backplate inside of he's gonna go get it yeah uh inside of a case that is all copper tubes it's gonna be freaking sick i'm very excited about it rod's gonna theoretically come up and and help us build it so it'll be myself my dad and rod uh rod rob and luke uh and we're gonna yeah we're gonna build away and have fun and it should be it should be really cool sorry what were we gonna do what do you want me to do maybe a calm sure do you have one yeah i got one for you yeah

1:07:16Luke Lafreniere:if chicken was suddenly outlawed what would you eat for protein uh if chicken was suddenly outlawed

1:07:23Linus Sebastian:what would you eat for protein i was gonna say bugs i don't know if you'd be a bug man no not so much um people immediately said eggs in full point chat and honestly great answer but i they don't sit well with my stomach for whatever reason so i can't do it i think eggs would be a really good answer but yeah i can't do it um something i've been enjoying lately is extra lean uh ground beef what that's the motherboard box are you what

1:07:59Linus Sebastian:why seriously it's like you could ship a computer in this box yeah

1:08:07Linus Sebastian:oh my god we're good we're good

1:08:13i don't i don't know you might have to just tip it over yeah it'll be good

1:08:25watch the oh yeah oh yeah buddy oh my goodness

1:08:35What the?

1:08:40What?

1:08:40Linus Sebastian:It's in a suitcase?

1:08:44Linus Sebastian:Why does the motherboard come in a suitcase?

1:08:53Linus Sebastian:Is there more in there, Dan?

1:08:58What the heck? What the heck?

1:09:01Linus Sebastian:No wonder this thing costs so much.

1:09:07Linus Sebastian:Still not there yet. There we go. Wait. Oh, this is the wrong one. What? Yeah, this isn't what I'm talking about.

1:09:13Luke Lafreniere:This isn't the one you like? No.

1:09:21Linus Sebastian:He ripped a part off of it already. He brought out the anniversary board.

1:09:24Luke Lafreniere:Oh, I thought that's...

1:09:25Linus Sebastian:Which is the new version of it. I thought that's what you were talking about. No. This is a super cool motherboard, but not what I was talking about. Oh, all right. Well, this is garbage out of here

1:09:47Luke Lafreniere:I've got it.

1:09:49Linus Sebastian:This is the one I was talking about

1:09:54Linus Sebastian:Because you see the copper accenting on this side, but the backplate, the backplate is honestly what really got us interested in this. Where can I see the backplate? Sick looking motherboard in general.

1:10:06Luke Lafreniere:Where's the backplate? Show me the backplate. Well, I'm so disappointed I brought you the wrong thing. I failed you. Oh, Dan, we may need to adjust that camera again. Just a crazy idea. Oh, these are animations.

1:10:17Linus Sebastian:I don't care about that. Where's the backplate?

1:10:22Linus Sebastian:These like infinite scroll websites drive me insane. They don't even show it. Oh my god.

1:10:32Luke Lafreniere:That's crazy.

1:10:36Luke Lafreniere:Of course, Noki has it. Classic Noki.

1:10:40Linus Sebastian:Okay, here. That's the backplate, dude. That's insane. And in the case that he's designed, the backplate will be fully exposed. so you'd have this like huge copper 20th anniversary rog backplate exposed inside of this like copper framed build so perfect the funniest part of honoring this first rog

1:11:03Luke Lafreniere:motherboard like this color scheme and everything from 20 years ago is that the first rog motherboard was a piece of like our rma rate on it was i kid you not i remember 50 i remember this yeah they

1:11:14Linus Sebastian:just all came back yeah hopefully this one wouldn't be as problematic um hey we should

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1:16:15Luke Lafreniere:Get them off. Yeah. I'm really not looking forward to that appointment, though. Grinding is the worst for me. I hate the grinding. And they have to grind off the glue that held all the brackets on. Oh, and then popping the brackets off. They actually had to reposition this bracket. So they have you bite down on a thing. Like pulling it off.

1:16:39Linus Sebastian:Right after getting them in place, just yank on them. It's going to be great, man. I'm so excited. Do you have your crossbar on your bottom teeth?

1:16:46Luke Lafreniere:they'll probably put that on when i'm done like i'll ask for a permanent retainer there yeah i

1:16:51Linus Sebastian:got that when i was a kid and i asked the guy like oh when do i get this off and he said when i was like you know i don't even know i was like 12 so the age that he told me felt like i would be ancient and i think it's like roughly now uh but i don't think i'm gonna get removed anyways because it's just like part of me at this point um but i remember him telling me that and being like oh i'm I'm doomed forever but unlike the rest it really it doesn't bother me at all yeah something on the

1:17:21Luke Lafreniere:inside I think I'd be fine with it's just the way they shred up my lips yeah it never shreds anything yeah I can scratch my tongue on it feels great it's good nice so that's another thing that you know over the last few years wouldn't have been a video on LTT it's me just like talking about my braces adventure. Oh, yeah. Whereas now it will be. Is technology involved? There is.

1:17:46Linus Sebastian:You tried 3D printed ones?

1:17:47Luke Lafreniere:3D printed ceramic brackets. Oh, they currently are. They are. Okay. Yeah, and they suck. And so that'll be my review. They are a giant boatload of ass.

1:17:55Linus Sebastian:Which might actually help a ton of people. Which legitimately probably will. Including if you, especially, including if you mentioned how they like. I'll be naming and shaming them. Cut your lips up and stuff. Oh, yeah. Because like I had braces before I kid. That was never a problem. There was problems. Oh, yeah, it's been it's been very suck. I kiss somebody and our braces got connected together. That's pretty funny. That was Awkward. Yeah But like that's the problem not you know my my mouth getting cut up.

1:18:25Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right What else? Oh, yeah, okay. I guess we could like maybe do some topics that would be crazy. No, man. Oh Yeah, we better do a couple topics first. YouTube is raising the bar on monetization. Citing the need to keep pace with the growth of the platform, YouTube will be increasing the requirements for new creators who are applying to the YouTube Partner Program. Potential partners will still need 1 ,000 subscribers, but will now need 8 ,000 qualified watch hours in the last year or 20 million qualified shorts views in the last 90 days. This is up from 4 ,000 qualified watch hours and 10 million qualified shorts views.

1:19:12Luke Lafreniere:Our discussion question here is, what advice would you give a creator trying to make a content creation a career in 2026?

1:19:21Linus Sebastian:I know one of the main topics that I've seen around online. Okay, there's been a bunch of stuff. uh honestly one of the genuinely best resources for content creation stuff i've seen in a long time is some of ludwig's classes from streamer university they're like genuinely extremely good and i think if you're trying to get into this stuff you should go watch it um one of the takeaways from that was i think he said packaging is like 70 of the deal or something and he's not wrong yeah so i hate how important it is it is very very frustrating but it is incredibly important um i i think we've talked before but i i've seen i've seen view graphs like 4x from having a better thumbnail and title i mean and i have also seen retention go up with that so you have like a more accurate title which everyone says that you have to do and then you get a title that's more clickable but that doesn't lie and your retention and your views go up.

1:20:23Luke Lafreniere:I mean, we saw this two weeks ago. Yeah, what? This WAN show had crazy live numbers. Like we peaked over 15 ,000 or something like that, even though we're on a new channel that doesn't even have that many subscribers. By the way, make sure you're subscribed to the WAN show channel. Anywho, the week before peaked at more like 5 ,000 or 6 ,000. The week after peaked at more like 6 ,000, I think. And then this week we're sitting at like 5 ,000 right now, which means we're probably tracking somewhere between 6 ,000 and 6 ,500. So the channel's like doing good. It's growing. It's happening. But this one crushed it.

1:20:57Luke Lafreniere:3X out of nowhere. So I reached out to YouTube. I'm like, yo, what was up with that? Like the VOD didn't perform particularly out of line with everything else. It's a little better, but like 3X, what is that? And they're basically just like, oh yeah, it seems like it's related to Minecraft, interest in Minecraft. I'm like, I don't think, A, I don't think that fully checks out, and B, I don't personally love that, you know, a format that people tune into, you know, week in, week out, you guys are deciding whether to serve, because it got way more impressions, like it was served way more impressions.

1:21:38Luke Lafreniere:Retention was also good, though. So, well, yeah, but it's the same as a typical WAN show. Yeah, it was the same, which is the crazy part. Yeah, so why is it getting three times the live engagement? And it's basically because the packaging. Somehow, Minecraft resonated with the YouTube algorithm in that moment, and we got three times the viewership. So that gives you some idea just how important it is, because I don't think there is a format that we've ever done that is more consistent week to week than the WAN show. It's these two guys talking, and sometimes, okay, he pops in,

1:22:13Linus Sebastian:and we just yick yack we have intentionally never even changed the thumbnails i think from literally ever i think the thumbnails are just exactly the same as they've always been uh but yeah okay so that's really important is that packaging is like literally more than half of the equation yeah so keep that in mind um do a lot of a b testing i talked to i'm not going to out them but i talked to a creator that probably almost everyone watching knows at open sauce and I was poking around a lot of different creators. How many revisions do you do of your thumbnail and title after the video is uploaded?

1:22:49Linus Sebastian:That was the main thing I was trying to poke at. And someone, huge creator, like 12.

1:22:59Linus Sebastian:Crazy. Like every time. Like it's huge, huge deal. The other one would be the like, and this is going to sound really negative to say and there's probably a way more positive way to say it, but the like viewer quality funnel. if you get a tiktok a youtube short an instagram reel or something like that if you get a view on there it is worth very little yeah very very very little if you can offload that to some form of vod most likely youtube long form video content most likely youtube there are other ones um that value goes way up youtube's in a pretty good sweet spot where you can get a lot of discovery you can get your channel out there you can get your name out there you can be found pretty easily through anything youtube long form content i mean i'd argue long form it's getting harder way harder but it's still in a like sweet spot range better than anyone else that's for sure so it's easier way easier to get views on a lot of other platforms way easier to be discovered than a lot of other platforms and you can still make money because it's a long form youtube video So YouTube is pushing shorts like crazy.

1:24:05Linus Sebastian:They are actively killing a lot of their long form creators. There are a lot of long form creators that are shrinking, laying people off, failing entirely, et cetera. Largely in a lot of people's opinions due to shorts just taking over the watch time of the platform. YouTube has kind of saturated the world as its watch base. So it kind of shifts its own watch time around on the platform and they've shifted stuff away from VOD and towards shorts.

1:24:30Luke Lafreniere:You ask YouTube, they'll say, well, that's what viewers demand. And if we weren't giving it to them, TikTok would or Facebook would.

1:24:37Linus Sebastian:And if you ask the users and the creators, they're like, why are you shoving it down my throat so much? I'm not demanding this at all. You're like brain dopamine, mind controlling me into staying on these shorts for so long. It's not what I actually want. But anyways, the like generally seen as highest quality view is an active live streamed view. so that funnel can be very tough because discovery on live stream platforms might as might as well not even exist he was going to do it if i didn't discovery on twitch is effectively useless yeah it like might as well not even be there uh but having an audience of you know say 150 people where over the course of your stream you're averaging i don't know like a thousand different people coming in and out um and your vod on twitch gets like two three thousand views that can be a successful full-time creator right that many views on youtube not even close that many views on shorts you nothing will make literally nothing probably you probably won't earn enough to get a payout so it's like it's this this ramping thing it doesn't mean that views on short stuff is worthless it just means you're going to need like millions yeah it doesn't mean that views on youtube are worthless they're absolutely not views on youtube are worth a bunch but it also doesn't mean that if you see someone on twitch with a viewer count that it doesn't seem super high that doesn't mean that it's not super valuable it kind of slides on this chain and you can you can try to promote your your viewers jumping over like you can try to promote your viewers jumping from shorts to long form it's hard very difficult it's tough yeah there you go um because a lot of people are going to watch that short and then just scroll around by but if you can convert them that can be quite valuable that's some good advice

1:26:28Luke Lafreniere:i have nothing to add hell yeah um where did that come from the merch message wasn't it excuse me

1:26:38Linus Sebastian:a calm nice i don't remember checkout message there we go solid totally uh oh speaking of

1:26:47Luke Lafreniere:twitch uh luke mentioned a couple times you a new twitch feature trains amazon's generative ai on users channels by default um it would be a shame if anybody watched this wan show and i were to say if you want to disable that you go to the security and privacy tab of your twitch user settings and look for training and generative AI. And go ahead and disable that.

1:27:20Luke Lafreniere:Obviously, Twitch should have made this an opt-in program, but they actually did address this. That's what Luke is reacting to. Twitch chief product officer Mike Minton said, if it was opt-in, nobody would opt-in. So it's going to be on by default.

1:27:41Luke Lafreniere:That is probably the best example of saying the quiet part out loud that we have seen in at least a solid year on the WAN show. Like I can't think of a more on the nose

1:27:56Linus Sebastian:assessment. That made me breathe out of my nose so hard that it's itchy now. Wow, that's amazing. That almost feels like it's like begrudgingly said. Serendipity says hold on he has a point I mean he really does He super does

1:28:19Luke Lafreniere:Oh man Meanwhile McDonald's is making Dossiers on their loyalty Program our notes Say this is great I'm not loving it Reese Rogers Superhero name detected A Wired reporter requested his mcdonald's loyalty app data and received an extensive this is not a typo

1:28:47Luke Lafreniere:515 page dossier that detailed his orders visits favorite location spending habits and this one's the kicker for me predicted behavior mcdonald's algorithm even assigned him an attrition score of zero predicting that he was essentially never going to stop eating mickey d's mcdonald's is now reportedly pooling loyalty data from 220 million customers across 70 markets into a global ai system that is designed to learn from billions of transactions the ai seems to be geared towards improving suggestion and recommendation algorithms to influence customer behaviors. Our gentleman who prepared this, Nathan, he has put in a thought here.

1:29:32Luke Lafreniere:They're about to make some sort of horrifying malevolent clown AI. They'll turn Ronald McDonald into the Pennywise of the internet age. Everything floats more like everything french fries. Thank you for that, Nathan. That was definitely worth reading.

1:29:53Luke Lafreniere:He added, He did add something worth me reading it. He actually wrote a tech quickie about dynamic surveillance pricing recently. And a former FTC chief technologist told us, loyalty programs function as data harvesting machines. And how aware are you of that in your day-to-day life? Do you think our viewers should be more conscious of it? And I absolutely think that's the case. This is our discussion question. But I, even actually, it's funny, as recently as yesterday, when I visited my orthodontist, they asked me, hey, are you entering to win our draw? Do you collect our points? And I make a conscious decision not to collect points.

1:30:34Luke Lafreniere:Pretty much anywhere. The one exception is Air Miles because we fly so much as a company that, do you remember that year that our entire Christmas party giveaway thing was gift cards? Yeah. that was that was basically it wasn't the entire thing no but there was just a lot there was a ton well what happened was a miscommunication someone asked me hey should i blow all the air miles on rewards for the christmas party and i was like sure i didn't know how much it was

1:31:10Linus Sebastian:stuff happens that's a fun way of communicating that stuff happens yeah so okay what i'm learning is i just shouldn't have told you the cost of the switches i should have just said we'll just need to buy a couple switches and then you would have been like yeah sure and then i could have just had my budget approval now that is not the lesson from i think that's the that is nothing to do with this i think that's what i just learned i don't think so just be more vague suggest it might not be as bad as it is or in that case as

1:31:39Luke Lafreniere:good oh that's the lesson yeah bent bob brings up a really good point loyalty programs can also be engines to and shitify uh they can dial down disco discounts to the lowest level that will still appeal to you and then fine tune it so everyone's getting personalized discounts just enough for them yep oh yeah 100 um gross do you want to pick one speaking of not gross

1:32:03Linus Sebastian:new mexico judge orders meta to pay nearly a billion dollars i have been tracking so far since the beginning of the show have has the world spent that much money on ai yet since the beginning of the show apparently no but over a tenth of it so that's that's cool um judge brian bead she'd by judge brian judge brian wrote in a judgment that meta is a cause of and has substantially contributed to a public nuisance in new mexico and is required to abate that public nuisance. Well said. Meta will be required to contribute $567 million to a fund meant to cover mental health care. The remaining $375 million No, I did not think$567 was close to a billion.

1:32:51Linus Sebastian:The remaining $375 million comes in the form of civil penalties. Meta reported$60.8 billion in revenue and$15.85 billion in net income in Q2 2026. So the combined penalties work out to just under 6 % of quarterly income which is actually a lot given that this is just one state a pretty big deal yeah and fun part uh learned this from lemonade stand it's like a bunch of states trying to do this all right now and this one just worked so this could be like a huge deal well maybe meta does plan to appeal the decision of course yeah and i i wouldn't be surprised if they get it lower. Is it just me or like...

1:33:34Linus Sebastian:I think it's gonna go through.

1:33:35Luke Lafreniere:Sometimes the appeals process seems like really important.

1:33:41Linus Sebastian:And other times it's like...

1:33:42Luke Lafreniere:But other times does it just feel like gumming up the works? Like if you want to appeal something... Oh, that's their goal. Should it basically just like have to happen right away? Like how can we make things...

1:33:54Linus Sebastian:Should you gain a reputation as a company?

1:33:56Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. For your appeals? Like, yeah. Should it be kind of like I mean, okay, I'm going to bring it back to badminton for the second time in a single WAN show. So you can actually appeal the line judge's call. Okay. So they could call it in and you could say, no, I think that was out. You put up your hand. But there's actually, you can only do it a limited number of times. And then I believe in hockey, you can ask for a review. and then if you fail there's uh there's like a downside yeah hold on hockey that could be kind

1:34:34Linus Sebastian:of sick appealing a call i also think this should be an uneven thing your opponent gets a power play

1:34:43Luke Lafreniere:oh wow if you're wrong i like that i like that something like that like can we can we add a

1:34:49Linus Sebastian:penalty to appeals a company and you make over a certain amount of money there should be penalties for appealing because you know that that company is going to have an army of freaking lawyers and stuff we're not talking about random individuals i don't necessarily want this to be true for like random joe blow walking down the street yeah like i i wasn't i wasn't there i couldn't possibly have robbed that store i want to appeal yeah i don't want this check your flock cameras yeah yeah i don't want this applying to this person i do want this applying to multi-billion dollar mega corporations that have armies of lawyers i do want this applying to them so it's like and there's tons of laws that work that way so it should be a threshold thing but i would love that that would be fantastic but yeah apparently this is like finally and man honestly like what did it did it take our generation getting to the point where we're like very well established famous lawyers or something i don't know what but like finally these companies are being looked at it's like oh they might be causing insanely severe amounts of damage to like our youth and honestly just everyone and maybe something should happen about that like thank god

1:35:57Luke Lafreniere:um horn player says appeals require a bond and depending on the amounting question that can be expensive enough to deter but i guess that plays perfectly into what luke is saying where if you're a large enough company that that's just like who cares cost of doing business then apparently we need something more than that because they just appeal everything and it takes forever and then by the time it's actually finally settled you get like what five bucks and a coupon for starbucks like what are we even talking about here yeah yeah i would like it to benefit the the

1:36:32Linus Sebastian:groups more as well so like okay meta is required to contribute 567 million to a fund to cover mental health care okay well that should just be more if they appeal and fail you're gonna help mental health care even more because i'm assuming you're taking these groups back into court wasting more of their time, wasting more of their money. That is, you are making life worse for them again. You should be on the hook for that.

1:36:57Luke Lafreniere:Oh no, I know Hornplaya. You weren't defending it. Just giving an example of an attempt that just is not addressing the underlying issue. I got it. I got it. You're good.

1:37:10Linus Sebastian:Discussion question. Do you think this judgment is large enough to be more than just a cost of doing business? potentially times many more states and regions. Yes, I think because this is just New Mexico, I think it's pretty good, actually. You multiply that out by all the different states. My God. Yeah, now we're talking. Now we're really talking.

1:37:30Luke Lafreniere:Now we're talking maybe don't do that.

1:37:31Linus Sebastian:Now we're talking more than your income for that quarter. It's just a quarter. Yeah, I know. My God. But still, we'll start talking about real numbers once you start getting up to all the different states that are involved with this. Do we have any information on how many different states? Because it's a ton of them. I don't think it's every single state.

1:37:50Luke Lafreniere:I do think we have to move on though. Because we have quite a few topics left.

1:37:53Linus Sebastian:Yeah, good call. I can't find it in here. Anyways.

1:37:57Luke Lafreniere:This is pretty cool. GeForce Now exploit lets you access the full Windows desktop through a simple file swap. Modder Zortos, working with developer D-Pad Guy, found a way to escape GeForce Now's game streaming sandbox and land on the full Windows desktop of NVIDIA's cloud hardware. So you launch the free-to-play game Trove, click the publisher's name to open the built-in browser, navigate to the C drive through the address bar, and swap the game's executable with a replacement file. Then launch the game again, and instead of Trove, you get a full Windows 11 desktop with taskbar, start menu, and system tools.

1:38:38Luke Lafreniere:the ultimate tier machine that zortos landed on was running a 32 core amd epic 56 gigs of system ram and an rtx pro 6000d with 48 gigs of vram so that's the data center card behind the tier that nvidia market says 50 80 class performance once inside it's basically a rentable high-end cloud pc for just$20 a month. Zortos fired up LM Studio and loaded a 31 billion parameter local AI model and was able to run it at a very usable 41 tokens per second. Others have installed games outside of GeForce Now's catalog, like GTA V, and D-Pad Guy built an open source tool called Salsa Now to streamline the whole thing.

1:39:30Luke Lafreniere:That's so sick. Now, this does violate NVIDIA's terms of service, and it could get your account banned. It also only works on paid tiers, and session time limits do still apply. Also, the results are inconsistent, as some users report sessions closing the moment that File Explorer opens, and NVIDIA will almost certainly patch it now that it's everywhere. Yeah. But I thought it was pretty funny, and given that NVIDIA sells this exact hardware for AI at enterprise prices, and someone just got it for$20 a month with a file swap, I thought it was a pretty cool find. Good job. It's hilarious. Wonderful job.

1:40:02Luke Lafreniere:It also shows us how much more we're paying for this stuff just because of the AI we're running on it versus what it's actually worth. Because NVIDIA can clearly operate GeForce now profitably at$20 a month. It's crazy. Womp, womp. Speaking of, I don't even know.

1:40:27Linus Sebastian:Intel has filed a patent application for some space data center concepts that would use a few powerful satellites higher up to manage thousands of simpler low... Wait, what? Really? Why?

1:40:42Luke Lafreniere:I mean, isn't that the question?

1:40:47Linus Sebastian:Okay, the higher, like, literally boss satellites? It's like their offices at the top of the tower. Like, okay, what are we talking about? Would handle routing coordination and other heavy computing. Maybe it gives you like more line of sight. Reducing reliance on ground-based processing and ground stations. The goal is cheaper, simpler satellites and a more scalable network. But this is still a patent concept, not a sign Intel is building it. On top of that, Intel's latest filing is a continuation of a patent application that dates back to 2022. so it's not exactly a brand new intel project are we um are we still not over the whole the whole data centers in space thing no okay yeah we're that's i think that's going to be

1:41:38Luke Lafreniere:going on for a little while okay cool and then when when are we going to get bored of that

1:41:44Linus Sebastian:and i don't uh whenever you know the next earnings call for some company elon's involved is and then he has to come up with some other new thing that he's doing now.

1:41:53Luke Lafreniere:Like what? Data centers in the Kuiper Belt? I like that. That's pretty good. Data center asteroids. How do we just... What's the new shiny that we can come up with so that we can move on from this? Data center asteroids sounds pretty fun. Data center on moon even. What if we made data moon? Data moon. So we have two moons. Oh, that's no moon. It's a space data center station.

1:42:31Sick.

1:42:34Luke Lafreniere:Our discussion question here is, what concerns do you have about putting thousands and thousands more satellites into orbit? Space junk is already a significant problem. and the more space junk there is the more pieces of shrapnel can go zinging through something yeah and cause more fragments which is going to cause more data center junk which is going to make it even harder uh like like earths i didn't really think about it until i was i was out of the city recently for some reason or another and i'm somewhere where you can actually see the sky um um i couldn't believe how many satellites there were like it hasn't i haven't look it's overcast here 160 days out of the year okay it just doesn't come up that often but like when i was a kid i lived in in a rural area and i used to just you know lie out on our trampoline of all things and like i would look up at the sky and uh and there weren't so many satellites yeah yeah yeah sounds

1:43:39Linus Sebastian:about right there's a lot now there's pictures from the artemis 2 mission that people took from inside the the orion capsule back towards earth and there's there's one particular series where he was trying to just take a bunch of photos to kind of see if he had set things up correctly and you can see kind of a time lapse not because he's intentionally taking time last photos but he spammed the shutter a bit you can see a time lapse and you can see a decent amount of the satellites kind of sparkling as they move a little bit around the earth and it's like oh that's a

1:44:10Luke Lafreniere:lot of them yeah so uh float plane chat is talking about kessler syndrome so just all this high speed crap ripping around the earth at tens of thousands of kilometers an hour and just shredding anything that tries to pass through it um if we want to be an a multi-planetary species then we actually do need to not put too much garbage in orbit around the Earth.

1:44:35Linus Sebastian:It's a bit of a problem. There's also stuff where it, theoretically a lot of it will slowly kind of de-orbit itself, because it's not gaining any more... Eventually. Yeah, can take a long time, but

1:44:46Luke Lafreniere:E-Gadget Guy says there's so much room up there, it's not as bad as you think. But that's the attitude that got us to the point where we have the Great Pacific Garbage Patch.

1:44:57Linus Sebastian:There's so much ozone layer, dude. There's so much ocean. The ozone layer is so thick. it's so thick and beautiful nothing will ever hurt the ozone layer there's so much there's so much stuff to heat up yeah you don't have to worry about global warming yeah there's so much to absorb it the earth is huge

1:45:17Luke Lafreniere:yeah what are you even talking about should be fine yeah what's one smokestack yeah don't worry about it yeah so um yeah this will

1:45:25Linus Sebastian:ocean absorbs that stuff anyways yeah what are we talking about yeah Yeah.

1:45:29Luke Lafreniere:Burn more jet fuel.

1:45:31Linus Sebastian:Yeah. I mean, one of the huge problems with this is like you think data centers are expensive now. Right. What about when you have to launch them into space?

1:45:40Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, what are we like? This is the thing that's like killing me about this whole idea is what are we even talking about?

1:45:47Linus Sebastian:Well, we're talking about infinite budgets for AI. So if your budget for AI is infinite and all of the people on Earth is going to ban you from building data centers, you're just going to launch them into space. I think that's like the real argument. You know what? New York, you know what? Texas, you know what? Everywhere else that is putting memorandums on building data centers and whatever. Put them in space.

1:46:08Luke Lafreniere:But then, it's even stupider than that, though, Luke. Because you could also put them in Antarctica. And then all you would need is communication satellites. Like, just, and then that takes care of the cooling. I don't think you can.

1:46:24Linus Sebastian:But I understand your point. Even northern Canada, whatever. Sure. I understand your point.

1:46:27Luke Lafreniere:But it just, yeah, I mean, that's why, what's her name? That's why Hetzner has their second main data center in the Nordic region. Because they're just like, oh, yeah, we can just air cool everything for most of the year. And I pretty much guarantee you that within reason, anything terrestrial is going to be better than sticking it up into space. Okay, that's not necessarily true, actually.

1:46:57Linus Sebastian:Ben 34 said I'm surprised you guys haven't mentioned latency being a problem. It's actually a lot less sort of problem than you think.

1:47:03Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. That's why Starlink is like actually pretty effective. Yeah. It's not the latency is I think is a really easy gotcha. But it's also really easy to counter. For AI tasks? Yeah, exactly. It's good enough to return a response to how much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood. Like it's fine for that. Great question. And I, to me, the bigger, the bigger issues are cooling. Not that there's no way to cool them, but just that we're talking about these colossal, like, here's the thing. out of the two sides of their mouths the same the same ai drum beaters will tell you that ai data centers in space is a great idea and the cooling is a solved problem and then also be building data centers that are like so with an atmosphere like with actual other molecules to bump up against and transfer thermal energy to that cooling these things is a huge challenge and really costly and really energy intensive and really difficult it's like okay which one is it because it can't be both.

1:48:32Luke Lafreniere:If you're talking, we're using super energy efficient hardware in orbit that, that we can cool with relative ease, then that's fine. We, you know, we have these like giant radiation arrays or radiator arrays, right? If you're talking the kind of energy density, like I was reading on serve the home, uh, apparently the guess for AMD's latest instinct, uh, GPU, or is it even a GPU AI processor, the estimate that Patrick had was 2 ,000 watts each. What was the total thermal dissipation capacity of the ISS? It's not much.

1:49:16Luke Lafreniere:According to the AI overview, so make of that what you will, it's about 70 ,000 watts. So what? 35 gpus with have you seen their have you seen their dissipation array on the iss it's huge and that doesn't even account for any of the supporting infrastructure for those gpus it's just it's just asinine that's actually something i'm not super aware of is the dissipation array

1:49:51Linus Sebastian:i know they have the crazy solar panel array it's big yeah i believe it it's big because i know i I know this one, I looked this up, but like the temperature swings of the ISS can be really, really wild. Yeah. Like the shady side can be like negative, a huge amount of degrees and the side facing the sun for a really long time can be like the surface temperature can be just extremely hot. Yeah, it's wild. Wild, wild, wild. So hold on. It's a fun thought experiment.

1:50:25Luke Lafreniere:yeah magi 99 goes you have 2000 watt gpus i don't uh but here hold on what is it the mi uh 355x is that the is that the new one that's just coming out like just announced no well dang it what's the what's the new one newest amd and this was like just this week new instinct announcement mi 455x yeah patrick from serve the home estimated that it could be as high as 2 ,000 watts per GPU. Like, this is what I'm talking about. And there is no sign whatsoever that the energy use of these processors is going down. If anything, the entire industry is looking at them going, this number is going up. They're talking about putting microchannels into the dyes to get liquid into the f***ing dyes to take the heat away.

1:51:21Luke Lafreniere:And we're talking oh, I'm going to use a solar heat radiation array. What the f*** are you talking about?

1:51:32Luke Lafreniere:And to be clear, I'm not saying you couldn't do it. I'm not saying you couldn't do it. I'm just saying, obviously it is cheaper to do it on the ground. Obviously. So, okay, good luck with that. Wiley Giraffe says it's an engineering problem, but it's an engineering problem that there is no need to solve because there's actually a lot of terrestrial places that don't have a data center yet. And like, look, I know that one of the arguments is that you've got solar power that is unimpeded by the inconvenient atmosphere down here. Right? Solar power. Solar power is good, right? But that's yet another giant array that you're going to have to have on this thing.

1:52:24Luke Lafreniere:And again, literally, how big does this solar power need to be to do my 35 GPUs? To do 70 ,000 watts? So these things are... They're basically going to look like TIE fighters. You'll have your little data center. You'll have your dissipation. You'll have your power array. They just want the lawlessness of space, says Crowell.

1:52:52Linus Sebastian:I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of it. Yeah.

1:52:57Luke Lafreniere:Ah.

1:53:02Linus Sebastian:I think, I think...

1:53:03Luke Lafreniere:Slop fighter.

1:53:08Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Evicus says, why not build a data center on a mountain? Like, this is what, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Yes, we could solve the problem of data center in space. but why don't we just use those resources to solve the problem of data center in the arctic or data center on a mountain like there's there there are other places we could go that we do not need a rocket ship to get to they i think they just want to fly their rocket ships oh yeah no

1:53:35Linus Sebastian:i think it's mostly just a fun question yeah because if you take it not super seriously but then the more seriously you take it the kind of fun it is at the same time and i think this is a very like san francisco kind of thing where like you want to think even bigger yeah accelerationism whatever like let's just have fun with this thought experiment and then maybe we do do it who knows but i i think you know running power and internet infrastructure to somewhere in like northern bc or something or the yukon or whatever um northwest territories data centers um um makes more sense to me than flying rockets for huge sets of hardware infrastructure and then dealing with um oh you know a chunk of some other data center just ripped off 12 of your solar panels and now your data center just shut down that sucks time to launch a rocket about it um what are we talking about man

1:54:42Luke Lafreniere:what are we talking about and then you've got uh you've got uh russia showing off their new uh their new beam thing that can shut down spacex satellites so that'll be convenient yeah yeah

1:54:55Linus Sebastian:everyone should have known things like that were going to be a goal the second everyone on the planet saw how incredibly important spacex is to the war in ukraine like this the second you saw that the second you saw how impactful it was cutting ukraine off of it or russia both the second you saw i was just going to say that as the second one uh the second you saw how impactful cutting both sides off from it um was then you know that's a massive bat signal to russia that's a massive bat signal to china to make sure that they have some ability to shut this thing down cool i mean even sputnik like the americans were like oh god what is this weapon of war yeah like and i mean kind of i don't blame them yeah at the height of the cold war not at all

1:55:46Luke Lafreniere:yeah bernardo baruch says political wanshow question mark this is not political this is just a fact it's a fact that when a potential threat emerges and is very it's very obvious to everyone how threatening it is that someone will try and figure out how to counter said threat. That's just you know, that's just a thing that happens.

1:56:10Linus Sebastian:But there have also been lots of ideas for things in space that haven't become a thing even though they might be an interesting thought experiment. Have you never heard of this before?

1:56:23Luke Lafreniere:I haven't heard of Rod's from

1:56:24Linus Sebastian:God. Project Thor. Just huge dumb I'm saying dumb because there's no, as far as my understanding goes, there's no electronics on them or anything. They're just tungsten rods they put in space. Then the idea would be that you just kind of drop it. And then it's a tungsten rod coming from space. So it just needs to kind of whack into something and it's gone.

1:56:47Luke Lafreniere:That was the idea. So this just turns whatever you don't like into a crater.

1:56:53Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Okay. Kinetic bomb. Yeah. Someone said that in chat. That is, I think, generally what they're referred to. The problem is, is it's a giant tungsten rod. Well, you just put little pieces at a time up there. You need to get into space. Assemble them up there. Yeah, it was a, it was, it's a very old idea. And it was ditched a long time ago because it turns out things like ICBMs are actually just a lot more reasonable than a rack of massive tungsten rods that you just keep in space for some reason.

1:57:26Luke Lafreniere:Do we need Veritasium to be the one to tell us that data centers in space are not economical and will never be economical? They won't listen to him. I know. They're not going to listen to anybody.

1:57:38Linus Sebastian:Can I throw a weird take out there? Sure. I think someone's going to do it to some degree. Oh, yeah. Oh, there's no question. I wouldn't even be surprised if there was like little practice versions. Yep. Like a Jeff Geerling style. I'm going to make my data center, but it's going to be out of like cube stats.

1:57:56Luke Lafreniere:And then, yeah, there are even ways that it could make sense. Like that's something I'd like to make very clear right now is I'm not even anti progress or like like I hate the idea. Like a perfect example of something that it could be useful for is having some data storage sitting on a Starlink satellite. If I was someone like a Netflix, for instance, could there could there be a benefit to putting my data closer to the customer? Yeah.

1:58:27Linus Sebastian:I mean, remember... This is going to be... Dude, the some of this makes fun pivot is... Some of this makes sense pivot is going to be a really fun part of this conversation.

1:58:35Luke Lafreniere:Because, like, do you remember when Netflix first started rolling out boxes with their entire library closer to the home? Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're really cool. Yeah, they're super cool. And the Netflix film library is actually not very big. Yeah. So, you know, if every Starlink satellite had, you know, a dozen hard drive bays on it and someone wanted to someone wanted to cache important data closer to these rural customers, I could see something like that making a ton of sense. Maybe not actually for Netflix because the latency doesn't really matter. So cutting down on, you know, one trip might not be.

1:59:18Luke Lafreniere:But I don't know. Maybe it would make sense. whatever is a high super high percentage of your traffic is going to make sense to minimize how many hops it takes and so yeah or or even having a small amount of compute there like we're gonna i hope we get to the point where i can just have my ai be on device but if we don't get there and if you know satellite cellular phones become more of a thing which i'd be super into because better coverage why not i could open my freaking garage door that would be great right um so if if you had to put a little bit of compute on the satellite instead of you know on the data center that it then has to like hop over to that's not a data center though that's not a data center but that could help so you have a little bit of i think you could make the argument i think what's going to happen is they're going to move the goalposts to well every starlink satellite has some storage and some compute on it we've had a data center space this whole time now we're data

2:00:22Linus Sebastian:center in space company in now we're worth two trillion when it when it comes to space data centers they don't have to all be physically linked together i mean starlink satellites optical layer is more effective in this is what i'm saying optical layer is more effective in space anyways I could see that goalpost move happening. Yeah, I could see that. And honestly, that makes a lot more sense. It was mind-blowing to me that, and I think I've talked to you about this before, but when the ISS was talking to the Orion shuttle, so Artemis 2, basically everyone watched it. When they were moving around, they had a call with the ISS.

2:00:57Linus Sebastian:I just assumed, because I know they have optical networking, that this would be like point to point to both of them. Have I talked to you about this?

2:01:05Luke Lafreniere:I read the same article you did, I think.

2:01:07Linus Sebastian:I didn't read an article on this.

2:01:08Luke Lafreniere:Oh, I came across something that talked about this, though.

2:01:11Linus Sebastian:So I assumed it was going to be really fast. It wasn't. There was like six seconds of delay. But I was trying to figure out, OK, what's happening here? Because where is six seconds coming from? Because if you look at the like light time to get to Earth. So, OK, let's assume it's going to Earth and then back up. If you look at the light time involved with that, still shouldn't be six seconds. Six seconds is a lot. And it was a very, very big delay. turns out they're still using like stuff from I'm going top of dome right now so I'm not really going to remember but it's like the 70s or 80s like it's deep space network from like a bajillion years ago and it's like muxing and processing time is like a massive part of that equation it's crazy so I could see you know okay we want to freaking base on the moon bros we might need to you know update some of our infrastructure maybe for once maybe the nasa might need more than 0.4 of the u.s budget um and they they update things like the deep space network so that we can maybe communicate within space and then bounce things back down etc uh and that might need more of these types of things but i still don't feel like i'm looking at data center what most people think of as a data center and then i'm just copy and pasting that but the the layer is now space instead of ground you won't hear an

2:02:33Luke Lafreniere:argument from either of us that there should be no compute in space yeah there already is there already is and there should be more probably but data center has a very specific maybe not even meaning but it definitely has a very specific connotation and some of the pictures and stuff

2:02:54Linus Sebastian:that people have released from some of these brainstorming sessions are what you're thinking of and which is like massive physical very stupid yeah um but some distributed compute network that is effectively like Starlink 2 or something like that sure could totally make sense um They did say they wanted to build satellite internet over the moon before we sent people to live there. Oh yeah, there's tons of stages to Artemis and stuff. I'd just... Yeah. I'd just be talking.

2:03:25Luke Lafreniere:Alright, Tor, a non-profit organization focused on protecting people's privacy and helping them bypass internet censorship, has a new Android app called Snowflake Volunteer. This is pretty cool. It's kind of like the news recently where major TV brands got busted for having crappy malware apps in their stores that were basically turning your TV into an endpoint for like a never do well like proxy network. Except the good version. This is the Jedi version of that Sith monstrosity. So it's called Snowflake Volunteer, and it lets you share your internet connection to help users in censored countries get online.

2:04:18Luke Lafreniere:Snowflake works by disguising censored users' tour traffic so it's harder for governments or network operators to identify and block it. Connections are routed through short-lived, volunteer-operated proxies. a broker will automatically find another proxy if one is blocked. Here's an even simpler summary. It's pretty much like an internet relay system that helps folks get on the internet around censorship of their connection. The app makes volunteering pretty easy. Users can leave it running in the background and share some bandwidth without having to set up complicated infrastructure. Daily unique proxy IPs have already risen from about 1300 in May to 1700 in June, a 29 % increase according to Tor.

2:05:02Luke Lafreniere:It's available on Google Play and F-Droid, and its source code is publicly available, which is pretty cool. Obviously, when you're deciding to trust a technology like this, you know, I can't personally say that I've poured over every line of the source code, but being open source and non-profit, and I mean Tor, I mean I've heard of them, I think contributes to a greater degree of trust that I would have in a project like this. and it seems like it's a pretty uh pretty noble cause compared to you know using your internet connection to collect more more data and sell more advertising and just generally be crappy and like coordinate bot attacks and that sort of thing yeah uh hey speaking of um third-party app stores google play store starts distributing third-party app stores that's happening after a long court battle, Google is opening the Play Store to third-party app and game stores in the US.

2:06:01Luke Lafreniere:They will only be accessible via links or direct searches, and Google says they will enforce their policies from the Play Store on these third-party stores, but will not review every app in these stores, nor will they handle updates or payments. Installing a store is basically like installing any other Android app, and the first third-party store, not an endorsement, haven't even looked at it is called aptoid games okay never heard of that nine to five google reported that the only additional step when using a third-party app store is accepting the install prompt after the app is downloaded these changes come as google prepares to lock down the play store to verify developers only and it's not yet clear how third-party stores will or won't be impacted by the new developer rules you know if there's one thing that epic did that made me happy it was finally addressing the absolute garbage fire of app store and play store policies on ios and android respectively they were it was it was it frustrated me more than it probably should because to me it was very, very, very, very, very, very painfully obvious that there was monopolistic antitrust stuff going on with both of them.

2:07:26Luke Lafreniere:Watching people just try so hard to lick the boots of these multi, in some case trillion dollar corporations that they ended up lodged in their rectums. Like I just can't, it was, it was so hard for me to watch people defend Apple and Google's behavior around this stuff. Um, and it's just, it's glad it makes me extremely glad that some semblance of regulation still works a little bit. I'm not sure if it actually made it into the dock for this week but Apple is still being kind of a little bitch about their ruling and they're trying to kind of drag their butts and stuff but the change is happening the change is happening

2:08:15Linus Sebastian:Speaking about change this is a bit of a shorter show did we announce these? We did right? No Oh I think it's time for those.

2:08:24Luke Lafreniere:We really should all right this week we've got so many new products on ltt store and if you guys want to get a if you guys want to get a checkout message in you're probably going to want to do it pretty pretty pretty like quick styles here uh the foundation collection these are i actually can't show the store and show my notes at the same time so you want it oh he's on it um basically it's a three piece lineup of everyday staples with something for active days something for laid back days and something for those days when you want to look a little more put together. If you're an active person and need a solid foundation piece for your closet, the quick-dry sport t-shirt is the one to grab.

2:09:03Luke Lafreniere:I've been actually using it very regularly for my badminton sessions, and the moisture-wicking quick-drying fabric keeps up, while the reglan sleeves give your arms more room to move, helping reduce underarm chafing. That's a big thing for me when I'm moving my arms around. I need really good mobility All the way up, all the way down, all the way forward All the way back And there's a little bit of stretch to the fabric as well It's really nice For a more put together look The half zip sweatshirt is made with our comfortable French terry fabric Same as our blank hoodie It has a half zip, a Kenga pocket And a hidden phone pocket Because apparently one pocket is not enough Oh put together This guy looks actually looks pretty looks pretty sleek looks pretty put together looks pretty good the minimal hoodie is a more elevated take on the everyday hoodie with a sleek clean look premium feeling fabric stretch for comfort and a draw cord free hood you can check out the foundation collection at lmg.gg slash foundation but wait there's more we've also got this month's graphic tee launching and it's a nostalgic one the can I help t-shirt is a little trip back to the days when your computer's most persistent co-worker was a paper clip that offered unsolicited advice it's printed on our classic poly blend t so you get the nostalgia without having to dig out office xp you can check it out at lmg.gg slash can i help this one was really intended for the folks out there who are asked so often for tech support i just i just i i i imagine i imagine the it guy at his desk just with one with one of these it just it says everything you need to say it's like yeah i don't really want to help you and honestly i might not end up being that helpful but uh it's my job so

2:11:02Luke Lafreniere:okay we had some uh we had some way more we had some way darker copy that potentially went with like a like a clippy design at some point but ultimately decided to to go with something more helpful yeah um like it was i think we had one that was going to be like have you have you considered just ending it or something like that like a dark clippy oh have you considered end task yeah it's basically yeah they it was uh or like have you considered powering off or like something like that we had we had something along those lines alt if for yourself that might have that might have been thrown around we were we were like we were in a mood we were in a mood seems like it yeah i think you guys made the right choice yeah we went with can I help?

2:11:47Luke Lafreniere:No they didn't. No we I think we made the right choice. Didn't make the right choice for me. We could make both choices. And then float plane. Oh right yes. Float plane. Which I need to read. Oh okay. Next week is Linus' birthday.

2:12:04Linus Sebastian:It says watch video. Yeah should we load that up? I suppose. Do we watch that first and then I read it? We need audio. Oh ready Dan?

2:12:16Luke Lafreniere:Why don't we get audio today? There was something that happened last week as well. The issue with the internal routing was left on again. And so the submix breaks, unfortunately. But they can hear it. Good chat. Okay. Hello. Next week is my birthday. Celebrate with me. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. This is on me. Hello. My bad. Next week is my birthday. Celebrate with me. at lmg.gg slash unklinus. I was wondering what that was. Even once I was crossing the border, the border guy was like, hey, did Linus fix your bed? You guys really put that on the building.

2:13:00Linus Sebastian:Does Ivan know about this? Yeah, she saw it. There was a fully nude onsen in the building. Linus could have gone with me, but didn't want me to see his dong, even though I lived in his house and heard him do many things for years.

2:13:12Luke Lafreniere:Oh, yeah, that poster. Yeah, D-Burn called you that.

2:13:15Linus Sebastian:You are 40.

2:13:16Luke Lafreniere:Oh, and authority.

2:13:17Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Oh, my goodness. I didn't know you already reacted to those videos. But anyways, next week is Linus' birthday. And to celebrate, we have four. That is right. Four videos compared to our normal two. Sammy says that this is because he's a narcissist. The first, even though it was, it says it's because he's a narcissist. But Sammy made the decision. So, yeah.

2:13:40Luke Lafreniere:I had nothing to do with any of this.

2:13:42Linus Sebastian:Literally at all. So I don't know what that says about Sammy, but hey, you know, the first video has been out since yesterday. It's the raw video of creators sharing memorable moments with Linus. Video submitted by former LMG employees, JerryRigEverything, MKBHD, Level 1 Techs, and more. Apparently we're just saying their channel names, not their names. But hey, you know, that works. Good job, Sammy. Monday we'll have Linus' reaction of the video. and there's a bit more cringe in that than not, especially the fact that he would not show me his dong when we were in Japan. That was very cringe. Cringe!

2:14:20Linus Sebastian:Wednesday, we will showcase the LMG rebranding What? Sammy's notes are so hard to read. I make it look relatively easy, don't I? Better than his team's messages. Wednesday, we will showcase the LMG rebranding and the day after, which is Linus' actual birthday. thanks uh will be a community gaming session with linus from 3 30 to 5 30 really uh to really thank everyone for supporting linus and lmg not 100 locked but we'll be playing a mix of tape tape halo infinite pico park and gang beast how the heck are you gonna handle the lobbies for that

2:14:57Luke Lafreniere:i don't know that'll be my problem that's what i just said i don't i had nothing to do with any of

2:15:01Linus Sebastian:this that's crazy i learned about this like yesterday uh anyways don't miss the event of the year at lmg.gg slash unclinus. And in case anyone is wondering, yes, the unclinus sign will be out for the entire week at the front of the building. Yeah, that is

2:15:18Luke Lafreniere:actually on the building right now. Yep. And you couldn't even use a high-resolution version of the wide Linus image. Have you looked at it? I'm pretty sure that is intentional. It is so crap. I would definitely try to recompress the JPEG to be like, you know, the sign manufacturer comes back and they're like, this is really low quality. And they're like, yep it's so you make it worse

2:15:42Linus Sebastian:yeah i mean knowing sammy that might have genuinely been intentional i believe it yep i'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt i think i'll give him the benefit out there for

2:15:50Luke Lafreniere:sure this is cool researchers at lirmm a french robotics and computer science lab in montpellier connected some slices of post-mortem adult brain tissue to a piano playing robot and taught the tissue to play notes the setup is called an opab an organotypic culture of post-mortem adult brain

2:16:14Linus Sebastian:explant that is way longer of a sentence than a four-letter acronym but okay it's a fancy way of

2:16:19Luke Lafreniere:saying a slice of donated brain that's kept functioning in a dish on a bed of micro electrodes the robot side is an anthropomorphic hand plus a microphone acting as an ear during training the system let the tissue associate the robot playing piano keys with the sounds that those presses made. In testing, a human played notes and the brain tissue controlled the robot hand to imitate them. The learning was unsupervised, meaning nobody programmed the association in. The neurons formed it themselves. This builds on the same team's 2024 finding that these postmortem brain slices still retain synaptic plasticity, the basic mechanism behind learning and memory this is a pre-print that has not been peer-reviewed yet the tissue is a small slice and not a full brain and there's no awareness or consciousness involved just neurons doing what neurons do when they're stimulated the pitch from the researchers is an animal-free way to study human neural circuits and it sits alongside other biological computing work like australia's cl1 computer which was built on lab-grown neurons crazy the uh the reception to this has been mixed at best polarized yeah there's people who are like wow this is great i can't wait for this future on the one hand and on the other hand there's i hate this turn it off now i want stop the ride i want to get off and there's nothing in between as far as i can tell i will not be taking a position youtube's ai slop detector has incorrectly targeted kursagist i can never pronounce it yes thank you as other creators fear the same fate kursagist that's how you pronounce it right kursagist thank you the 23 million subscriber science channel amazing by the way that hand animates videos over months with a full team of artists revealed that YouTube's automatic AI detection tools flagged its work as AI slop and quietly throttled the channel.

2:18:30Luke Lafreniere:Its Super Predator video became the channel's worst performing upload since 2013, but the audience data looked strong with above average click-through and solid watch time. The video simply wasn't getting recommended. When Kurzgesagt I can't say this word. Go. Kurzgesagt. Thank you. Contacted YouTube. The company confirmed that the ai detector was the cause and the channel has since pulled the video to rework and re-upload it which is a crazy solution the detector probably misfired because kurz gesagt flat clean vector style is exactly what ai slop channels imitate since it's cheap to fake so a detector trained on the imitation caught the original that inspired it took it in stride, saying they support blocking actual slop and called their YouTube contacts helpful and transparent.

2:19:24Luke Lafreniere:Kurzgesagt had people at YouTube to call, but most channels don't. Analytics firm VidIQ highlighted that gap, noting that a channel that big can find and correct the problem, but smaller ones can't, and pointed to a 5 million subscriber creator who went through a similar unexplained decline. dozens of creators in the replies to kurskazaks noted that their reach was completely dead and fear that they've been hit with the same flag with no way to confirm or fight it i don't really have anything to say about that other than that blows one of the crazy bits is a a

2:20:02Linus Sebastian:only a channel that big can find and correct it pointing a smaller example of a five million subscriber creator is like what i know my god so basically you can't fix it unless you have to be

2:20:20Luke Lafreniere:enormous mega channel or you're screwed yeah uh valve is expanding steam os support to several gaming handhelds steam os 3.8.25 beta adds initial gamepad support for the intel powered msi claw 8EX AI +, the Ioneo Pocket S2, and the Conker Fit, plus updated controller support for the OnePlayerX Apex. The Claw is notable because SteamOS has been AMD-only territory until very recently, and the Pocket S2 is notable because it's an ARM-based Android handheld, which lines up pretty neatly with the ARM compatibility work that Valve just shipped with Lepton and FeX in preparation for the launch of the Steam frame.

2:21:04Luke Lafreniere:none of this means that everything works perfectly however Wi-Fi, audio, sleep and drivers can still be rough and only the Steam Deck and Legion Go S have fully baked support the same update bundles new Steam Machine firmware fixing a bug where CPU performance stayed reduced after waking from sleep actually, oh we encountered that when we were working on our review so I'm glad to see that they fixed it which we said they probably would, so that's great along with fixes for HDMI audio dropouts and Bluetooth latency see um discussion question valve is slowly making steam os run on everybody's hardware ignoring the anti-cheat elephant in the room is there any reason left to keep windows on a handheld i still run it on mine and it some some game compatibility is still going to be rough it does

2:21:50Linus Sebastian:not enhance the experience the the amd based stuff of most handhelds will help with that a lot yeah but there are still some games that just aren't going to be a thing you're not going to be playing Valorant. I don't know if you want to be playing Valorant on a handheld, so maybe it doesn't matter much. I don't run into this stuff that often. The main thing I run into is NVIDIA problems more than Linux compatibility problems. That's just from having an NVIDIA GPU.

2:22:18Luke Lafreniere:Yep. Windows Latest finds that Windows 11 uses five times more memory for its ad-laden weather widget than macOS equivalent. That's pretty funny. In other Windows news, Justin Marshall released a native version of 1990's Word 1.1a for a Windows 11 on GitHub. And I thought this was pretty fun because I think that was on TechRadar. Yeah. Hold on. It's in here somewhere. How much RAM it uses?

2:22:48Hold on.

2:22:50Luke Lafreniere:One megabyte of RAM on Windows 11.

2:22:56Linus Sebastian:That's amazing. I wonder how usable it is. Honestly, when I'm writing documents, I use shockingly few features.

2:23:04Luke Lafreniere:And this is something that you can totally run totally legally. Microsoft released the source code for this. So, Buddy ported it. It's apparently a bit of a pain in the butt to get it running. Like, there's some um... Uh, there's like some terminal involved or something like that. Um, you need PowerShell. I don't know. I haven't actually tried to do it, but I just thought that was pretty cool

2:23:27Linus Sebastian:I'm surprised there's no pictures in here what does it look like

2:23:31Luke Lafreniere:Word 1.1 is going to look pretty rough I'm just going to look up Word 1.1 interface

2:23:44Luke Lafreniere:Dying You do not actually want to work in that

2:23:47Linus Sebastian:Yeah maybe

2:23:52Linus Sebastian:Is it even I mean it's probably not even can you insert a picture? Maybe not.

2:23:57Luke Lafreniere:I think we'd probably have to make our way to I'm trying to think. When did they Oh man, I never really thought about this. All versions of Microsoft Word. Oh, we should switch to After Dark. That's it for Topics, Dan. Math co-processor.

2:24:13Linus Sebastian:That's awesome.

2:24:18Linus Sebastian:Oh my god. Dude, this should be labs charts now. We should make them look

2:24:24Luke Lafreniere:like this yeah oh my god word perfect actually sick it's pretty readable i think word 97 is about as far back as i could go and still actually that looks totally fine that looks very usable

2:24:39Linus Sebastian:lotus notes let's get some lotus notes i think i could deal i could deal with this no problem so yeah fancy notepad yeah that looks like a computer program to me yeah me too

2:24:52Luke Lafreniere:pug boy says fun fact word perfect is still around nice all right hit me dan hello linus luke and dan uh normal names love listening to the show on my way to work my question is what hard experience at the beginning of building lmg made the biggest impact on the company for you today or you the company or you at the beginning hiring Luke aww that's such a nice answer that was a very hard experience yeah it wasn't hard though well Luke you need more practice right into after dark oh yeah you know what I'm gonna go with the um whether it ultimately was a good thing or not I don't know but the the decision to move out of the garage and spend everything that we had made so far and what we intended to make for for months and months uh on a new space that culture of just like okay take everything we made and dump it right back into the company okay do it again okay do it again was what ultimately led to major successes like backpack and screwdriver so that that willingness to just go okay i've got all these chips i'm gonna play them i could keep them

2:26:15Linus Sebastian:i'm gonna play them all but no i'm gonna just bet bet hard i'll drive the civic another year bet hard yeah yeah yeah i think for me

2:26:26Luke Lafreniere:i've been doing this 10 years before i finally like bought the car you know like hey it took a minute and luke had to convince you i don't think luke tried to convince me i I don't think so. Luke thinks my car's stupid. Kind of. Yeah.

2:26:41Linus Sebastian:It is stupid. It's fine, though. I also think you're entirely within your rights to buy a stupid car. I think I remember you. I'm 40, baby. Yeah, it's like, whatever, dude. It's fine. I don't judge you for it. I just, you know, it's not my thing. Yeah. But that's okay. I think for me, unironically, it was a 700 series launch. Oh, yeah. I knew it was going to be the GPU. Yeah. Yeah, the Titan. I had to grow a lot as a person in learning about that stuff because now suddenly it like, you know, we took it seriously when we were part of NCIX, but now it was like our thing. Yeah, no, but like, actually, if we don't do it right, we die.

2:27:23If I f*** this up, I think I bleeped that properly.

2:27:27Linus Sebastian:Yeah, we're all just like dead. And it's like, oh, wow, this is like very serious. Go crawling back to NCIX? Like, what are we talking about? There was no route. it was it was you know i i go back to school ed goes back to school and you find a job somewhere else like it was it was so there was a lot of pressure on there do or die baby that was the that was a massive expansion in the amount of tests and what we tested for a gpu launch compared to normal um if i remember correctly you like wore a lab coat for that video because we were like trying to hit the like really hit it home of like this is a step yeah that's pretty cool and that was like yeah i don't know if i remember correctly i didn't sleep for like a really weird amount of time like three days or something and i remember one night i was so tired and had to stay awake so i ate through an entire tub of peanut butter and a full box of uh wheat

2:28:21Luke Lafreniere:thins i don't and just like lived off of just calories i don't think i would have been um happy if I'd known you did that. I'm pretty sure I told you afterwards. Yeah.

2:28:32Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

2:28:32Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

2:28:33Linus Sebastian:Yep. Got her done. You're still here, baby. That was a moment. I had already like, you know, locked in multiple times, but that was a moment where I was like, I'm just going to do whatever to like try to make this work.

2:28:48Luke Lafreniere:We got her done. Yeah. Man, we released so many videos on that card. Remember back when a new GPU launch was exciting and people were happy about it? Dude, the 700 series was very exciting though.

2:28:57Linus Sebastian:very exciting actually that was a sick release I think you're actually thinking

2:29:03Luke Lafreniere:of 600 series though the first one when we got in the garage right no no I think you're right I think it was 700 wait was it 600 which one was the first generation to have a Titan

2:29:18Linus Sebastian:this is our video on 680 oh oh my god 14 years ago so 2012 no no 680. It would have been...

2:29:29Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, 700 then. Yeah, you're right. 780. That's it. The New King, this one. That's it. 12 years ago. I think I shot that B-roll

2:29:37Linus Sebastian:because I don't think Brandon worked here yet. Oh, I'm sure you did. When I was done the testing, I just like died. I slept for like a day. Wait, Hotspot Shield, though. That came later.

2:29:47Luke Lafreniere:No, it must be... We were in the garage. It must be Titan. I think you're thinking of Titans.

2:29:53Linus Sebastian:How do you search for Titan on the channel? It's going to bring up so much other stuff. I know, it's so stupid.

2:29:56Luke Lafreniere:Why do companies have to call everything the same thing? Go down. Not this one. Keep going. It was silver. Keep going. Keep going. Oh, GTX Titan. That's the unboxing of it. That's the unboxing. Yeah, keep going then. You'll find it. You'll find it.

2:30:11Linus Sebastian:Is that Little Man?

2:30:12Luke Lafreniere:That's crazy. Yeah, I know, right? It kills me. That's wild. I know.

2:30:19Luke Lafreniere:Okay, and a bunch of crap that's totally unrelated. Thanks, YouTube. Not what I was looking for. Unbelievable.

2:30:25Linus Sebastian:It's also crazy to me that the unboxing is the only thing that really surfaced. It's just completely unrelated things now.

2:30:32Luke Lafreniere:Another fun game is like, no matter what you search for with my name in it, how far do you scroll before? Yeah, before you come across like a drama video. Yeah, that's a good point. Okay. Crazy. Yeah, it was Titan though. That makes sense. All hands on deck. All six total hands, plus Yvonne being on mat leave. I don't know.

2:30:56Linus Sebastian:If I remember correctly, we were trying to do dual camera shoots at that time and stuff, too. Things were kind of crazy.

2:31:02Luke Lafreniere:We had ideas. But you did it. Yeah. We're still here, baby. Hi, Dad, Dad, and Dan. At Linus, thanks for raising me. It is concerning that I see you more than my own dad, even though he's the CEO of the company I work at. P.S. How's it going with the ADD meds? I have not actually tried them yet. What the hell, dude? My wife was out of town, so I got confused about how getting medications works, and so I didn't get them. Well, my doctor didn't mention it to me. This guy. If you need drug advice, just let me know. My doctor didn't mention it to me because I guess it's just like routine, but apparently she just faxes the script straight to the pharmacy that we like usually go to, which I wasn't sure which one it was because I don't know where medications come from.

2:32:03Luke Lafreniere:No, actually I did know. I did know which one because sometimes I pick up things for other people. I haven't like been on many medications, but I have kids that get sick sometimes. But I didn't think about it. I just got off the call. She was like, yeah, I'll get that for you. And I was like, okay. and then I didn't know like where I would get the prescription from. So Yvonne came home and was like, Hey, did you ever get that thing from the doctor? And I was like, no. And she was like, Oh, okay. Would you like me to grab it next time I'm in town? And I was like, yes, please. Thank you, lady. And then she got it for me.

2:32:39Linus Sebastian:I'm sorry. I know.

2:32:40Luke Lafreniere:I haven't tried it yet though.

2:32:41Linus Sebastian:I know I'm derailing us and bringing us back to something we should be moving on from, but I found some of them. Nice. surround performance review 3D vision gaming review. I remember when cards had that. We just did everything.

2:32:55Luke Lafreniere:1080p was a separate video.

2:32:56Linus Sebastian:And they're like 7 minutes, 4 minutes. Man, the thumbnail is just a graph. That's crazy. I know. 1600p got a whole video. 1600p, video by itself. 10 minutes long. I don't think 4K was a thing yet. I'm pretty sure there was more videos than just these as well. They're just not surfacing. But yeah, we went really hard. Anyways.

2:33:18Luke Lafreniere:Early WAN show means I can reach out before Sabbath again. Nice. Any updates on the tech detox you talked about last time? Yes, there's lots of cool tech for Sabbath, including specific home assistant plugins. Oh, that's interesting. So as long as whatever I do doesn't count as work, my home assistant could do something for me. It doesn't... Trey's interesting. Wasn't there something that you couldn't have somebody else do work for you? Not sure. I can't remember all the rules I can't either I never knew them Well, I only, no, I mean I can't remember the rules that I learned The last time we talked about this on WAN Show Oh yeah I didn't know them, it was just People in chat were kind of like explaining stuff I think you can't manually get the work to start Yeah, but then you could employ somebody to like cook for you and turn on light switches and follow you around.

2:34:17Linus Sebastian:I think kind of defeats the purpose. But you're not employing a person. You're forcing a machine to do that for you.

2:34:24Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, chat says it depends on the rabbi. Some of them don't like switches or relays closing even. Oh. Because you're connecting something together, which is like, I don't know. Yeah. Tech detox? I have not gotten there yet. I don't think you ever will. I did have a weekend. Sorry, what were you going to do to tech detox? We were talking about doing like a tech detox. Oh, right. We were both going to like go away and not. Yeah. Yeah. I gave that literally zero thought ever since we last talked about it. But hey, I.

2:34:59Linus Sebastian:It is progressively becoming more possible for me, which is interesting. My work is getting more time consuming and more all consuming. And it's also getting more possible for me to step away from it for periods of time. which is those things happening at the same time is very strange, but I think it's true.

2:35:17Luke Lafreniere:How do I edit this?

2:35:19Linus Sebastian:People on my team is getting really good is essentially what that means. Yeah. Which is awesome.

2:35:26Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Okay, I'm going to send Dan. How do I edit this? How do I edit the stupid photo? Yeah, here it is. Okay, perfect. Oh, I hate how the image editor in Teams, if you drag the corner, it assumes you mean just that corner, and then it's so hard to grab the top bar. Okay, so, I mean, this is my version of detox. My chickens are big now. Yep. They're big girls. One, it turns out, is a rooster. Oh, you got dinner in the works. What the heck? Chickens. There's my chickies. Whoa. Hey, babies. They have small crowns. That's cute. and then since we're just like putting pictures of linus's pets on the stream uh here's a shot of my cat that i took the other night that i thought was pretty funny

2:36:28Luke Lafreniere:he's just chilling cats are so weird he was just sitting there like that i was like what the heck man you're not even like what are you doing you don't even look comfortable

2:36:39Linus Sebastian:uh i went to that 1080p performance no not nothing i'm just looking at my cat i went to the 1080p performance video for gtx titan because i was wondering what the comments were like yeah um look who i randomly oh look jack septic guy nice with 13 likes somehow oh my goodness

2:36:59Luke Lafreniere:that's good have fun wasting all that money it's nice what's his net worth now i wonder

2:37:05Linus Sebastian:Oh, just a crazy amount, I'm sure. That's awesome. But yeah, wild.

2:37:14Luke Lafreniere:Alright, hit me, Dan. Oh yeah, sorry, I got distracted by the cat. 2027 Global Ram is completely sold out. Luke, since you're good with this, can you make a prediction for when this will be over? Not because I think you'll be right, I just want some hope. Please, love the show.

2:37:30Linus Sebastian:I don't think you can force these predictions. They just kind of come out of nowhere. Just give us false hope. I think it's a while yet. I think we're looking. If it was before this time, 2028, I think I would be stunned. And my reasoning for that is even if things crash, it's going to take a lot of time to kind of reset. And a lot of this is contract pricing. Yes. So it will take a hot minute for this to correct. I think, you know, I've been talking like, oh, maybe China will save us in regards to RAM prices. if they do, it's going to take a while.

2:38:08Luke Lafreniere:And with that said, though, sometimes change happens really, really slowly and then all at once. A major insolvency or like a major, like an Enron scale crash of an individual company could trigger a chain reaction. We don't know.

2:38:25Linus Sebastian:There do be some companies with Enron type math going on at the moment, so it could happen. It's very difficult to predict right now. Fascinating. I think if somebody was like, oh, my company builds a lot of systems and I'm going to buy and hoard a bunch of RAM right now, I think it would be pretty hard to very confidently argue in either direction of whether that was a good idea or a bad idea. And like this was true a while ago. We were talking internally about how we bought 20 extra laptops in December of 2025 for the company. I remember at the time that was like really risky. Kind of crazy, actually.

2:39:04Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

2:39:05Luke Lafreniere:But we were worried. And. Yeah. My kids, oh, my kids need new Chromebooks for back to school. And they're going to suck. And they're, yeah, they're going to totally suck or they're going to be really expensive. Yep. Framework doesn't make a Chromebook anymore. As, as I was, as I was like looking at the options, I was like, oh, I wish I'd grabbed a framework last time. Cause then I could just fix this issue that I have on my daughters and they don't make one anymore. Anyway, sorry, carry on.

2:39:30Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Um, and you know, luckily that bet worked out really well yeah and it's really easy to look back and be like oh i wish we bought more and it's like yeah but then buying more would have just been incurring more risk and there was no way that we could have fully known in december of last year what the heck was going to happen over these insane eight months that we've gone through uh so i don't know it is what it is i'm happy we bought those that's nice it's saved us a bunch of money already it's effectively bought us multiple laptops, which is cool. Nice. But, like, yeah.

2:40:04Luke Lafreniere:Dan, if you're gonna have... I've got to pick your battles. Dan, if you're gonna have my pussy there, can you also put my cock? It's the black one. Sure.

2:40:13Linus Sebastian:Oh, so now I get to see it. All you have to do is ask.

2:40:21Luke Lafreniere:Thanks, Dan. Oh, yeah, merch messages. do you want me to read it though sure no i'm not gonna read a merch message i'm gonna read a com nice uh hey ldl i've been shopping for home battery backups and sonar panels solar panels and it seems most of the major companies seem to be under the same umbrella company linus how's your diy battery going oh i'm so glad you asked because i had a long meeting with Pankratz and Frey earlier this week, and we have everything we need to build the economical custom packs that are going to be way safer than the... It's just the one in the front, the black one. Oh, sorry.

2:41:07Luke Lafreniere:That's fine. That's good enough. I can't crop that small. It's far too big. Yeah, the other ones are hens. Nice. Yep. That's my cock. I'll just put that here. Perfect. okay um yeah so we've got everything we need and then once we do phase two the plan was always to do this in phases so once we do once we do phase two phase three is going to be scaling it up to power the entire house for some period of time now obviously i'm not going to charge my car off of it or like run the clothes dryer um but it could run like all the lights and hopefully computers for, you know, at least a while if the power goes out.

2:41:55Luke Lafreniere:And let's see how many more do I have for you. I found this in my folder. I'm a professional. Last one I've got for you today. You spend most of your careers in tech, and while I'm only a few years younger than Linus, I don't recall the tech space being like it is. has tech in your experience ever seemed this evil genuinely no i don't think so and that's someone

2:42:22Linus Sebastian:like i i used to be really obsessed with this uh i think it was australian thing yeah called the beast files this is well before mr beast i'll tell you that much uh so it was when i was in high school i don't remember how i used to watch them online i think this was pre-youtube but maybe it wasn't uh they're on youtube now as an archive on this like real human stories youtube channel but i remember this one google's plan for world domination from the beast fathers this was a fantastic video somehow it was only two minutes and 45 seconds uh but it was it was talking back then about people used to talk about this all the time like google got rid of their don't be evil thing uh and they started doing some stuff that was like a little bit spooky man if you could sit back then and look at the stuff the different tech companies were doing back then and compare it to now, it would look like a freaking joke.

2:43:14Linus Sebastian:All of them. Like, yeah, we are in completely unprecedented times. Because they keep getting away with it. Constantly. Like, it's crazy. And so, yeah, as someone who has been in tech for, like, my entire professional life, to a certain degree, no, it's never been even close to this crazy.

2:43:38Linus Sebastian:Not even sort of.

2:43:39Luke Lafreniere:No, no, don't show them my balls.

2:43:45Luke Lafreniere:Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you next week. Same bad time, same bad channel.

2:43:49Linus Sebastian:Bye!

2:43:55Linus Sebastian:Oh my god. Oh, that's good.

2:44:04Linus Sebastian:The world spent 276.5 million on AI. during the show.