This Country Gave YouTube The Smack Down - WAN Show January 9, 2026

41:36So they're lashing out and trying to accomplish things. This doesn't seem like it. This is one of them. Which, to me, just means you're just losing way harder now. It's funny because, like, they don't even really use a lot of the IPs that were so formative and foundational and iconic. Like, do you think kids today would not... I mean, I guess they did do a DuckTales reboot. I was trying to think, would they not like Donald Duck and Mickey? It's funny because when you're at Disneyland, those characters are still so central to the brand identity. But when I was a kid, I feel like there was so much media with Mickey Mouse.

42:21I remember I had one of those little golden books that was Mickey Mouse, but it was the story of the prince and the pauper. Like, you know, Disney's whole shtick where they steal folklore and fairy tales, and then they just like put their IP and characters on it. Like that seemed like a pretty good, that seemed like a pretty good formula. And then now they've gone like self-referential where they just like remake their own movie, but in live action. And it feels like at a certain point, you're going to run out of that. Maybe you could, I don't know, just look, I don't want to be in charge of Disney, but it seems like you could just, I don't know, do that.

42:56They are releasing Toy Story 5. Oh God. This is not a popular opinion, but I felt Toy Story 4 was just so unnecessary. I felt like Toy Story 3 tied the whole arc up into a nice little bow, and I felt like it was done. And Toy Story 4 just felt like one of those movies where, and then this happens, and then this happened, and then this happened, and then this happened, and wasn't that cool, and then this happened. We'll see how it goes. Yeah. I don't know. the original toy story trilogy is pretty legendary i didn't i didn't hate toy story 4 but it didn't stick with me like the other ones did you know toy story 4 felt so unnecessary yeah uh yeah there's there's again more notes to this there's an there's another extra added um do you think we will see a continued push for more practical effects in movies or is this another turning point towards the artificial i don't know i really liked the the plane steen wow why can't i talk today the plane scene in um airplane uh what is that movie called it's from the guy who made inception um but it's about like moving forward or backward tenant yeah the plane scene in tenant was sick and it was filmed by actually smashing an actual big plane into an actual big building um which was like pretty sick that sounds really expensive it was so they did it once and then they took like eight takes you know and then they used that scene in like a bunch of different ways which was probably to justify the expense of it uh but it was really cool how they did i actually really like tenant but um

44:48that movie didn't get the greatest reviews ever no um so i was watching some older like 80s 90s action flicks recently as part of my like watching older movies that i never saw and i think the thing that stood out to me the most was the car chase scenes it's like that semi truck uh like dirt bike chase scene in terminator 2 hits so much harder when i know like obviously it's not as spectacular as some cgi up the butt thing from avengers or whatever you know someone's on that bike but like they actually bashed a semi up they actually like did those stunts with the bikes they they really did all that stuff and it was maybe from like as a kid watching it um i i would rather just have the cgi you know spaceship fight in new york city or whatever i think this is a very interesting point that you're making but as an adult appreciating the artistry of it i find just the speed of the dirt bike uh as slow as it is far more engaging knowing that it's real yeah very interesting that's a pretty good point i think because yeah i there's there's a lot of things that i'll try to fight for of like the real is more interesting but you're right when you're a kid it's just like i don't know goopy brain juice stuff yeah when you're when you're older it's like how was this made what's the investment in risk what's the investment in funds like yeah wow like they you can tell the care that went into the scene because they there was so much spent on it so you know that they must have of really invested and fought for this to happen and and blah blah blah and that all impacts your appreciation of the art the partnership that they must have had to forge with general motors to get totally to get like 19 cars that are going to be in like a giant pile up knowing that they have to convince them that they need them at a good price and that it's okay for their brand to be bashed, literally bashed in because a lot of the time car companies in more modern times will not allow even a scratch on the car.

47:11And you'll notice that. It's just totally immersion breaking. Once you notice it, once you're aware of it, that like, oh, okay, so the hero's car is not allowed to have any damage or scratches because it's the hero's car even though it bashed into a bunch of stuff and drove through a burning building or whatever it is that it did which to be clear is kind of silly because like the coolest toyota truck like ever is this one which they the like the marshmallow truck the person who drove back and forth through the fires repeatedly to save people and their truck just like made it because it's a beast Toyota.

47:52Nice. And then Toyota just gave him a new one. Like the scars can be cool. If your car goes through some crazy stuff in the film, like that can be cool. It's not a bad thing. Does Plex have a like history of stuff you watched? Like I'd be curious to see. I think it does. Oh yeah. Hold on. Let me dig through it. I'll see if I can figure out what I was watching recently that was really good.

48:16I can do an additional part of this topic if you want to keep searching. Oh, hilarious. Nick Plouffe and I are friends and we can see what each other watch on Plex. I should probably let him know and I should probably disable mine because I don't think either of us probably intended that. I hope you're enjoying that show you're watching, Plouffe. I didn't mean to creep on you, but quality selection. They enabled it by default. Yeah. Wait, really? Yeah. It just kind of came out of nowhere. Yeah, we talked about it on one show at the time, but I don't blame you for not paying attention. Is anyone coming for, I mean, I just don't really use it, so I probably just forgot, but is anyone really coming for Plex?

48:55Like, I've heard Jellyfin talked about, but every time I bring it up, people kind of shrug and go like, yeah, Plex is still better. Is Jellyfin improving? Is it replacing at this point? I will have to give it another shot. It's been a long time since I've looked at it. I will. People are saying MB? We had three different people in a row say MB? And then now people are spamming Jellyfin? Wow, okay. trying to remember i it might have been bad boys one now question for everyone spamming jellyfin is amazing is jellyfin open source and plex isn't and you like it because it's open source or is it just good which one is it why not be real why not both be real why not both be real with me because it being cool because it's open source is great but that has to be in addition to it also being great that that that is the the cherry and the cream you know what i think it might have been last action hero i think that's the one that i that i was watching when i thought oh my god all this stuff is real because that was shot in 1993 so uh someone posted you should you should watch a video that's like uh no cgi is just good cgi not in 1993 in 1993 when they crashed a car into another car they got two cars and they basically did what every six-year-old boy does when he's got two cars in his hands but just filmmakers on a much bigger budget no you can tell when it's a scale model guys come on come on be real you can tell sometimes it's pretty hard cars cars have weight cars probably yeah that the way that they bend the way no no no no no especially when it's a low-speed collision and they like you can you know those 80s cars right like you can see the shocks and the weight of them there's no no no no no no no yeah there's an additional part of this topic do you think larian did the right thing by promising to no longer use generative AI even during conceptualization and I was like what because that isn't what I heard last time at all and it sounds like some amount of hours ago oh um let's see here 13 hours ago there was why is it swen instead of sven are you supposed to pronounce it swen and he just wrote it that way and i don't know 13 hours ago he said this hi happy you enjoyed our game so first First off, there is not going to be any Gen AI art in Divinity.

51:35I know there's been a lot of discussion around about us using AI tools as part of concept art exploration. We already said this doesn't mean the actual concept art is generated by AI, but we understand it's created confusion. So to ensure there is no room for doubt, we've decided to refrain from using Gen AI tools during concept art development. A refrain is not a commitment to never. Yeah. That way, there can be no discussion about the origin of the art. Having said that, we continuously try to improve the speed with which we try to get things out. The more iterations we can do, the better in general the gameplay is.

52:07We think Gen.A.I. can help with this. So we're trying things out across departments. Our hope is that it can aid us to refine ideas faster, leading to more focused development cycle, less waste, and ultimately higher quality game. The important bit to note is that we will not generate creative assets that end up in a game without being 100 % sure about the origins of the training data and the consent of those who created the data. If we use a Gen.A.I. model to create in-game assets, then it'll be trained on data we own. That is not the thing that was. Yeah, we need to make sure that when we put notes in the thing, they are the right notes for the thing.

52:45I'm deleting that. so basically what they're saying just like refrain from taking out your cell phones and taking pictures of the performance that is not you know a hard never that is a like please don't because they can't even guarantee that their own people internally will not use these tools they cannot prevent a larian employee from going home getting their laptop I'm sorry I mean this laptop from our laptop partner Razer thank you getting their laptop generating something bringing it into work and using it as part of their oh that's not Sven that's why it's not Sven cool um they can't prevent anyone from doing that and then the second part of this is shoot now I'm distracted sorry um that was the game director it's a different person is that forever is a very long time they would be completely bonkers at this point to say no generative ai forever and they know that which is why that statement was basically we're going to keep doing exactly what we're doing here's a statement we crafted that will hopefully let you guys settle down and touch some grass the the most interesting part to me was that the important bit to note is that we will not generate creative assets that end up in a game without being 100 sure about the origins of the training data and the consent of those who created the data.

54:16That part's very interesting to me. So basically, we will use generative AI in the concept phases. We will generate assets that will end up in the game. But we will be sure of the origin of the training data. That seems like maybe not for divinity. Yeah, maybe not for divinity. But they're exploring that that last bit seems pretty clear kind of the plan yeah but this is to be clear man like they're talking about it but this is the plan for everyone it's been fascinating to me how um like larian and the the people behind uh claire obscure um i don't remember their studio name uh are gaining so much flack for this and then embark the people who made our creators are like super open about it and have been forever and they're getting relatively little flack for it there's been a couple big hits but but not that much and then you see battlefield out there so obviously having used it to the point where i've seen like promotional images that have like very telltale signs of ai influence and everybody's just like oh whatever i don't know it's ea they were gonna do it anyway so we'll just leave them alone it's like oh come on come on anyways alright moving on speaking of cool things I'm going to do a random like aside thing hold on is Dan going to have us do anything else?

55:49yeah I'll probably do the merch message because your thing there says topic two and we're on topic four literally about to grab it nice quality

56:05oh right hey oh shoot i've got too warm and i finally took it off well uh okay go to luke's screen if you're looking for something valentine's themed without it being over the top mushy gushy our pixel perfect love collection is live now it's clean subtle wear and wearable beyond february the 14th we've got the pixel heart t-shirt if you want to fire that one up yay and the pixel heart hoodie if you want to match with someone or just grab something understated that still feels special the pixel heart t-shirt keeps things simple with silicone heart patches on the sleeves it's i think it's just on one sleeve on one sleeve yeah it's subtle intentional and inspired by the idea of wearing your heart on your sleeve but also you know video game health bars yeah gotta it gotta be gamers and the pixel heart hoodie keeps things subtle with a red on red raised 3d graphic so you get texture without it being too loud there's also a small silicone patch with three pixel hearts near the pocket which is a tiny detail but helps to elevate the hoodie and keep it adorable and did we bring people in for couple shoots seems like it that's so cool hey look it's adam and shea i don't know if we brought them in this isn't here oh really Oh, okay.

57:30Yeah. Cool. It went somewhere. And if you want something a little more office professional, our long sleeve polo is back in a new eggplant color with a pop of blue under the collar. Same clean look, just a little more put together without being, you know, formal. So whether you're buying for someone else or just adding some color to your professional wardrobe, the Pixel Perfect Love Collection is available now at lmg.gg slash pixel perfect. And you can also check out the long sleeve polo shirt in a fun new color. All right. Now it's time to explain merch messages. If you want to interact with the show, we don't want you to throw money at your screen, guys.

58:12We'd much rather that you throw money at lttstore.com and get some quality merchandise in addition to, you know, sending a message to Dan, who will definitely read it. He will, though. All you got to do is go to lttstore.com and add something to your cart. you'll see the little interface here for merch messages you type a little merch message decide if you want to be anonymous or show your first and last name and you pick a color scheme and you go ahead and place your order it goes to producer dan hey we got a second wave today bonus who always wearing the new eggplant oh yeah nice looking good a little flash of blue a little a little flash of italian in the summer um you're missing the gold chain though dan uh And also, we would need more buttons for you to go full Mediterranean.

59:00Right down to the belly button. Anyway, it'll go to producer Dan who will reply to it or pop it up here if you just have a shout out for someone. Or who will curate it and read it to me and Luke to respond to. Dan, do you want to show us a couple curated merch messages? Yeah, sure. Why don't I have one here about the Pixel Heart? Hey, WAN.AI. Question for Luke. is the pixel heart drop a celebration for your new 50 50 loving relationship or just a valentine's approaching what is this a joke i don't get for having owning half of when you're now tied together yeah it's funny business arrangements are actually like way way more binding than like marriage turns out fun time yeah like i remember Yvonne and I joking about it like when we bought a house together yeah we were like oh this is we actually we bought a house together before we got married and we were like oh well I mean like this is way more complicated and then when we started the business it was just like oh okay so between owning a house together having kids together and the business we're like full stuck which is good because I'd like her to not leave me okay carry on uh I'm uh I mean uh Yes, that is why we did it.

1:00:19The creative people at Creative Warehouse were like, you know what? Valentine's Day, ultimately unimportant. What really matters is the link between Linus and Luke. And this shirt just symbolizes that and nothing else. Sure. Two-parter. Totally not that Luke found out about this today.

1:00:43Which is... That's not what happened. That's reality. I noticed it on my chair and was like, huh, and then put it on and then noticed that and was like, oh, neat. And then loaded up the store to be like, what's going on? We only talked about the 50-50 like last week. So we designed a ship and prepared a shirt in less than one week. Amazing. We're so good. Four days. I'm very impressed by that team. We're wicked smart. Absolutely incredible. Also, what class or spec did you play in WoW? Oh, Warrior. Classic. based all the all the classes all the specs sorry uh the best spec warrior ever is fury prot and classic wow because wearing shields while tanking is boring and not wearing shields while tanking is fun and there's another one here for luke as well also about wow thoughts on add-on removals in wow midnight though i don't care i don't play retail oh gross unbelievable unbelievable based display how dare you insult him by asking such a question damn i don't know i think they're gonna have a hard time changing their raid design because for many many many years raid design was done with the the theory that people would be having add-ons installed and the add-ons basically like tell you what to do all the time there will literally be like audible cues of like move or whatever yeah like the add-ons are really intense it's funny because like i actually uh i've really been frustrated sometimes but also enjoying how not hand-holdy clairobscure is on the one hand it's modern gaming way too easy like when you die in a fight you just fry it again like there's it's like a four second penalty and you just go for it again it auto saves like all the time um but on the other hand like sometimes i'll get annoyed because i can't figure out where to go like there's no map in dungeons so the difficulty is high but the punishment is low i guess yeah yeah yeah so you like you really have to you really have to to try um and so so sometimes i've been kind of annoyed but i've also really appreciated and i found like the combat for instance way more engaging when the timing is really hard to get um and like they have these uh they have these side challenges where you have to like parkour and i don't know if you've ever parkoured in a like like third person view uh 3d game where i think assassin's creed counts because it just like does it for you frankly it's an RPG and is not Assassin's Creed but I kind of had flashbacks to Psychonauts um huh like some of them are really really frustrating but like getting to the top of like the tower one I'm like yeah and I don't know I felt like accomplishment in playing a game that I haven't felt in a while that's cool so I'm into that that sounds like the opposite thing and like they have Okay, they have a little bit of white paint with the climbing things, but the climbing things are gold, and sometimes there'll be strains of gold in the rock, and they're actually kind of hard to spot sometimes.

1:04:05Yeah. I don't know. I like it. There's a lot going on in, like, I don't know. I haven't played them, but there's a lot going on in, like, modern WoW raids and before the add-on removal, I guess. I don't know if it's already happened or not. um and and but but yeah like there will be this mechanic where like say there's there's a boss and he's hitting your tank right fairly obvious mmo type stuff but he'll put a debuff on your tank and once the debuff gets to a certain amount of stacks yeah you need to swap which tank is currently tanking the boss because the the main the one tank will get too many stacks you need to swap and that guy gathers stacks and this guy's stacks fall off and you swap back and forth right pretty normal very average thing to be on a boss very average there will be add-ons that when your stack count when the stack count of the other guy average size too high actually six inch tank average size tank that's way more like eight inches but okay when it's when it's your turn to taunt and like take the boss over because the other guy has too many stacks it'll just tell you what the add-on will be like taunt so like if you've played a bunch you'll just reflexively like hear that and just press the button you don't even like there's no thinking oh and then but but like theoretically there is a lot of other stuff happening in the encounter so it's not like you aren't paying attention you're still playing and it can still be really hard but like the add-ons are managing things for you right while you're playing around the other mechanics and like they're they'll certain fights will still be very difficult despite all that but these fights have been built with knowing that these add-ons exist and that people will make them oh so they're harder they're in a lot of ways way harder where if you didn't have the add-ons it would be like incredibly difficult oh okay no one's doing so is that so now if they're going to take the add-ons out which is in a lot of ways it probably makes sense it's kind of weird that the community has to constantly build things for your game right right right right so by taking the add-ons out like okay cool that kind of makes sense in some ways but then your design philosophy for your game for so many years has had these things in mind and i i suspect there's going to be growing pains not that i'll experience any of them because retail wow sucks but yeah oh no adam plays oh no does he hate my opinions we'll see uh importantly they aren't banning add-ons they're just reducing their scope so they can't play the game for you like luke is describing ah okay interesting well that that sounds like it helps a little bit then sure that's cool shout out adam customer care supervisor for creator warehouse yeah all right dan what are we doing how about some more topics we can do more topics got a bunch to get through let's talk about the samsung smart tv lawsuit samsung sony lg hisense and tcl are all being accused of deploying surveillance technology without user consent.

1:07:05ACR, automated content recognition, takes screenshots and provides other information about what you're watching on your TV to the TV manufacturer's headquarters, allegedly. You are opted in to ACR when you consent during the TV setup process. To opt out, at least on a Samsung display, you must find the right opt-outs across four or more separate menus. Ars Technica figures it's roughly 15 clicks to complete after analyzing the lawsuit. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has called ACR an uninvited, invisible digital invader. I agree. Texas has apparently secured a temporary restraining order against Samsung, not the rest of them, but Samsung specifically, which prevents them from continuing to sell, transfer, collect, or share ACR data relating to Texas consumers.

1:08:02The district court found sufficient cause to believe that Samsung's actions violated the Deceptive Trades Practices Act. A similar restraining order was requested for LG, but a judge denied the state's request. And then Sony TCL and Hisense are still involved in this legal battle alongside Samsung. The lawsuits argue that companies deliberately use misleading labeling and non-intuitive terminology when explaining ACR technology to consumers, according to SourcePoint's legal analysis. Texas prosecutors argue that each manufacturer also hides or obfuscates what ACR can record from its customers.

1:08:41And the answer is basically anything that is connected over HDMI, as well as cable boxes. If it's on your screen, it can be recorded. This could even include confidential or sensitive information if you were to hook up a laptop or a computer to your TV and view said info. There are no visual cues or warnings that content is being recorded. So this goes way beyond the data that they might need for targeted advertising. This is wild. Texas is seeking$10 ,000 to$250 ,000 per violation with higher penalties when persons aged 65 or older were affected. that last thing is a little confusing to me no i totally get it i think really why not kids that would also maybe be fair i i my thing was maybe susceptible more susceptible to scams and if they can target scams more easily because of certain data like that uh because the the people getting wrecked by online scams it's like wildly vast majority really old people is that is that true yeah oh okay yeah

1:09:55so is that who Bethesda was selling horse armor to the elders roll based on your own it's all for old people based on your own logic that's not a scam I know it's not a scam it's not a scam I just thought it was funny because I thought of Elder Scrolls. It was pretty funny. I was just trying to find a way to... I thought you were just calling me old, to be honest. I didn't even put the Elder Scrolls. You're kind of an old soul, though. A little bit. Yeah, like there's things about you that are like young dude, but there's also things about you that are very like... I'm like middle-aged and I'm more interested in exploring the world and sharing experiences.

1:10:41You're kind of old. I started the exploring the world thing right away. Yeah, I know. I know. Dude, to be clear. Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, I know. Okay. No, my bad. You were just boring, like kind of a middle-aged man. Yep. And to be clear, I totally get it. I was like, okay, well, I have flunked out of school. I am going to join the workforce and immediately settle down and have a family as quickly as humanly possible. You seem like a fantastic wife. let's be let's be husband and wife and have children like I don't know I get someone recently about like how can you know if you want to have kids or not and I was like I don't know some people do and they were some people do sorry I'm still a little bit sick I'm having talking problems yeah and they were like no like nobody does it just sort of happens and I was like no Linus did for sure like know if they wanted to have kids yeah oh yeah I was like no Linus knew a hundred percent there's no question they're like how whatever I was like, I don't know, but he knew the whole time.

1:11:45Like there was no, there was no, there was no gaps. This was, this was a hundred percent knowledge. That was, that was the path. It was like, get education. Okay. We didn't manage that. Get job, get wife, get kids and then, and have a family. Path accomplished. Yeah. There was no, yeah. There wasn't wavering. Yeah. No, no. Well, I don't know. I, I, I was talking to someone about this the other day, But I had kind of a unique upbringing because, you know, people will ask, like, were you an only child or did you have a lot of siblings? And I'll be like, yes, because I was functionally an only child for most of the time up until I was 11.

1:12:25So that was every other weekend I was with my dad and most of the week. And then every other other weekend I was with my mom and also Wednesdays after school. and so I was an only child at my dad's house but then at my mom's house I was one of five so um after I was 11 I lived with my mom so I had like only child childhood and then also like some childhood and my entire adolescence as as one of many including because I was the second oldest and there was a big age gap between number four and number five of my of my genetic half siblings but we don't really like see it that way but it's a technical detail that maybe people care about get over it um so there was a pretty big big age gap between number four and number five of us so i like knew that i love little kids and i like knew how to change diapers and i like Like I actually participated very actively in caring for a baby.

1:13:33And it's something that I feel like a lot of parents in my cohort seriously missed out on. Because it used to be that people had enormous families. Yeah. Like tons and tons of kids to the point where by the time number five, number six, number seven, number eight, number nine are rolling in. the eldest the eldest ones are very actively participating in in the care of and the upbringing of of these kids because otherwise it's just it's a completely non-viable situation and i uh i don't know i i i felt like i just had more certainty and more confidence going into parenthood having had that experience sure that i feel like a lot of people like including yvonne I laid that out too.

1:14:24Yvonne was one of two and they were two years apart. She did not help in any way to raise a child before she was just, here you go, handed one. Yeah, like that was brought up as well. Like, oh, how could he have known? Like, how could you know before you've done it? You've never had kids before. And I was like, well, he kind of sort of did because he kind of sort of took care of them. I got to see a lot of it. yeah so like i don't know that kind of counts in my opinion like i remember being in the hospital waiting for my baby brother to come out like i i like i i can remember that whereas yvonne doesn't remember that for for her baby sister like it just well she was you just can't she was two yeah yeah exactly any memory that you have from when you were like two is is probably heavily corrupted by that whole remembering a memory problem.

1:15:24Yeah. Yeah, 100%. I do not remember how we got onto this topic of conversation. No idea. Alright, cool. Like, at all. We should probably get through some sponsor spots. Sure. Oh, wait. No, we only have one. Okay. If you want to do that now, maybe do the flow plane announcement. Absolute mad lads. They did the whole thing. No, we'll do the sponsor spot. The show is brought to you by Delta Hub. Long hours sitting at your computer desk can often result in a sore wrist, especially when you engage in certain activities. However, our sponsor Delta Hub has set out to help relieve some of those pains.

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1:17:44The answers are weighted, and there will be up to 300 points up for grabs. Whoever has the least number of points at the start of each round will get to guess first. And somewhere off screen, a coin was flipped, and Linus will be guessing first for the first prompt. Oh, I see. This is very... It's only mildly off topic, but I like their box. You open it, and the info card comes out of the top. My Luke Cam button doesn't work. Oh, because I have it in takeover mode. Okay. One sec. Cute. I just think it's cool. Good chat. Neat. All right, Dan, hit me. One second. Sure thing. So, prompt number one.

1:18:23Name a piece of tech you couldn't live without. Linus, you're up first. Phone. Wait, this is... This is... Luke, what is your guess? What is my guess? Or do I have to say that it's on the board or not? I have no idea. I've never watched Wanley Feud before. Sorry, what are we talking... What is my guess? What am I guessing? Name a piece of tech you couldn't live without. Yeah, I'm guessing who it is. You're guessing what everyone said. Survey. Oh, you have a phone. Well, you can't say the same thing. No, you have to guess something else. But it's obviously phone. Well, there's lots of responses.

1:18:58It could be something else. Got him. Got him. Got him. Got him. Do we do the survey says first? Probably should have done that. Water filtration. The hell is wrong with you? He's just throwing. You can't throw. No, you have to have a real answer. That's so lame. You can't just look at chat. I didn't get that from chat. Trust me. Okay, no chat for either of us. You said you get two guesses? I don't understand this game at all. What is happening? It's Family Feud. You just have to guess what most people said. And the people who were responding were our employees. And I can't say the obvious for sure answer that you already said.

1:19:42Because I got to go first. But you'll get to go first if you're behind. And there's like five rounds. Okay, so I'll go first next time. Probably. I think that's it. Camera. Sure. Camera? Camera. Okay. And we have to say two each? Apparently that's what it says here. Okay. I'm going to go with PC. Or like computer, computer, computer. Computer, okay. Yeah.

1:20:13Someone will have said 3D printer. Ooh. Ooh, I like it. At least someone. I like it. Okay, all right. Give us the result for the first one. All right. Response number three was computer or laptop. So that's 10 points to Linus. Yes. Response number two was headphones or earbuds. Oh, neither of you got that and response number one Phone

1:20:42So that's Linus leading with 45 points Luke nobody said water So Luke you get first they're all lying didn't he have to let two other guesses though I thought we didn't count that water filtration one. It was good though. You all know he said it too earnestly It was way too earnest. You would all have very serious issues. Just drink it from the floor. Prompt number two. Name a sign that you've been sitting at your computer for too long. Luke, you're up first. Numb legs. Numb legs. Dry eyes. Dry eyes. Yeah, I don't get this problem. Sore eyes. Someone asked me recently if I wanted eye drops, and I was like, for what?

1:21:24And... Hey, Luke, you have another one. Blinkmore. Luke! Yeah. Skill issue. Skill issue. Luke, guess number two. Sun comes up. Sun comes up. Tired. Tired. All right. Sun comes up. Your answers are so revealing of yourself. You're supposed to guess for the other people. We surveyed LMG. Whatever. Number three survey says sore eyes. That's 15 points to Linus. response number two is legs or butt going numb yeah 20 points to Luke and response number one was back or neck pain okay definitely posture issue what is wrong with my co-workers prompt number three name your favorite LTT store item Luke you're up first okay Luke goes first nice okay screwdriver Screwdriver Damn Um Internal people Ooh That's tougher

1:22:34Trying to remember all the bloody stuff we make We make so much I'm gonna say scribe driver Scribe driver for Linus You'll get some on that I feel like Backpack Backpack Everyone got one at the Christmas party So it has probably the most internal exposure That's actually really smart gamesmanship. And guess number the last one, Linus. I'm going to go with water bottle. That's got some for sure. It's got to. It has to. Guess number three is cargo pants. Shoot. That makes sense. The cargo pants are sick. That makes sense. Number two, backpack. Nice. 15 points to Luke. I'm getting wrecked. Number one.

1:23:14Do you know number one? It's screwdriver. Yeah. Let's go. Hold on, I gotta do some tabulation here. Coming out of nowhere. Oh, I should have gone backpack. You're right. Fudge. When I went, oh, it was like backpack might be one. I'm still happy with screwdriver, but I was like, if he gets backpack, then he's getting number two. Luke pulls ahead. Let's go. Prompt number four. Linus, you're up first here. Name something you would use a magnet for. Linus, you're up first.

1:23:50Something you would use a magnet for. Ah. Sticking to my fridge. Okay. I don't know. That's pretty good. Picking up screws. Picking up screws. Linus, guess number two. Mounting a tool. And Luke, final guess. Cable management? Oh, crap. That's a good one. Luke for cable management. Guest number three, picking something up like drop screws. Almost verbatim. Nice. That's cheating. Guest number two, sticking something to a fridge. Nice. And guest number one is cable management. Such a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. I have no excuse for that one. That's so dumb. Yeah. More LTT store answers.

1:24:43I feel like they almost answered, like, they almost reverse family feuded us here. Like, trying to give responses that we would think of. That's an LMG LTT store answer. It really is. Cable man, come on. Cheap, cheap, cheap. And lastly, name something you're likely to leave at the hotel while traveling. Linus, you're up first, because you're in last place.

1:25:15Cable. Okay, so is this like you have left the hotel permanently? You've checked out? Yeah, you've left it at the hotel. I'm going with cable. Cable, okay. Luke?

1:25:30I don't like my guess anymore. Crap.

1:25:41Yeah.

1:25:45charger Linus

1:25:52sock oh sock are you a kick your socks off in bed kind of guy yeah definitely I used to be and then I left a lot of socks in hotel rooms and now I just like I'm like no no not that and I'll take them and I'll put them in my pile I think Luke been pretty good about it Last one. Last guess, so I'm going back to chat. Toothbrush. It's not very good, but toothbrush. Okay. Let's see here. All right. I feel like this one's going to be quite... Number three. Headphones or earbuds. They love headphones. Really? How do you manage to leave your headphones behind? I would definitely never leave my headphones.

1:26:30Why? Yeah, I would never leave my headphones. Number two. Toothbrush. Oh, nice. 15 points to Luke. How do you people lose your toothbrushes? How do you lose your toothbrush? That is insane. I don't think I've ever left a toothbrush, but I was just trying to think of things. Like it just, oh man. I've definitely left socks. That one was good. And number one, Charger for 25 points. GG. GG. In your defense, I wasn't even sure Charger would count because it was so similar to Cable. I was going to give Linus judgment on Cable if nobody picked it. So that is 155 points to Luke, 85 points to Linus. Yikes.

1:27:10Yikes. Get obliterated. I was worried there at the start. Dude, purified water? What is wrong with you? People just never, they didn't really think about it. They didn't really think about it. Technically technology, but like, not in the way we're talking about it right now. What is wrong with like, floor water? I can't live without the wheel.

1:27:31This guy. This guy. Massive shout out again to Delta Hub for sponsoring this fun little segment. That was pretty fun. Don't you dare do it again. I hate losing. Just kidding. I mean, blame your employees for that one. No, I blame Delta Hub. I blame my sponsor. You blame the people with the cool bots. I will never take your money again. All right. Why don't we jump into... They will if you go to the QR code on screen now. They sure will. Steam Machine. Pricely. Yeah I was kind of wondering if because on at some point time on WAN show we said expected prices didn't we? Didn't we both guess we've talked about it.

1:28:23I've guessed in a dedicated video on LTT So what did you get because I I know I have guessed but I don't remember what I said So what did you guess? I don't remember my guess There's also a note that I think you just flashed it on screen people are saying this is all BS It might be we have no idea. It's a it's a leak or a rumor or whatever but there's also people that have noted that in in czechia uh the tax is included in the price so this would be with tax okay so my guess and yeah this could be total this could be um how did this comment get oh yeah it surprised me as well top up voted on reddit of all places yeah you know what that's fine i uh okay anyway the point is uh my guess according to the ai overview imagine using ai to find your own um information it does sound right though uh my guess was apparently$6.99.

1:29:29However, I did pull the totally

1:29:38$700. Okay, yeah, Vice says, I believe,$6.99. Apparently, that's what I said. However, I did pull the totally BS move of saying, barring any major changes in the market, which was because DRAM was like, looking like it was going to go parabolic. so you said 699 us yep which looks like their tax on electronics there if i'm correct with the googling is 21 okay so what's 699 times 21 but another 120 130 dollars or something like that so 830 bucks so i could be off by over a hundred dollars if if it's just a straight conversion there's very likely also like usually when you have something come up here it'll be like yeah it's it's price converted and then also rounded up to the highest closest 99 um so there's there's also stuff going going on like that miss me with that sales tax bs here in oregon yeah oh right because they don't have it neat cool uh but what we're talking about is why the the listed price on this leak might actually be higher than you might expect even if the leak is true which is because the tax might be included in this price because they include tax in their price in this region j christ08 says people say the retailer adds 17 margin as well sounds like a credible person

1:31:15yeah yeah we already knew that part yeah but then also margin for this retailer so so all of that combined okay i might be really close land it pretty close this is what i was trying to effectively get to yeah that'd be kind of cool i i wasn't expecting really to be right because i know there's so much so regional volatility plus tax being included plus retailer markup not coming directly from steam all that kind of stuff might land it uh pretty close to what was expected i think the conversation now is kind of the the branching decision tree then so if this is right and it actually ends up being like 900 to a thousand us dollars is it doa to you no really yeah i don't think so at all um i yield the floor one thing is i'm wondering about competing devices that include a windows license if they will be priced competitively still after some of these vendors update their prices to reflect to reflect increasing DRAM prices uh both in the the you know honestly across the system because a variety of different things use DRAM these days um gpus are going up in price everything else is going up in price so like is this actually not that competitive um it might still be cheaper because of no windows it might still be cheaper because of a variety of different reasons pricing is going through the freaking roof right now correction for people who are about to tell him that nobody buys windows they definitely do especially when they're buying pre-built yes which this effectively is but then windows also doesn't cost that much as a license on a pre-built machine it still costs it is uh i don't remember it's a lot less than retail but it also significantly depends on your agreement with microsoft like at ncix retail was like a hundred dollars 110 and our cost was like 90 like it wasn't much lower but we also weren't like a proper si and i think a big part of the reason that we couldn't get proper si pricing was that they knew that we would just sell oem copies to regular retail customers for sure for sure and so they like couldn't trust us with it essentially i'm trying to find and that was true not just of ncix but the the retail sort of pc hardware channel in general you just can't you can't trust those guys to like abide by a licensing terms thing which from a consumer standpoint is pretty you know awesome and pro-consumer it's just that from microsoft's hey we'd like to get the money that we intended for this particular licensing terms agreement uh is not conducive to that i'm trying to figure out how much it oh here we go while you're working on that amaker and in float plane chat says but do you think valve saw the reaction to your price estimate not being ridiculously angry and just went with it no i don't i don't think i have that kind of influence yeah um it's it's so funny that my job title is has literally become you know as the as the terms have have changed has become an influencer and i legitimately like do not have nearly as much influence as a lot of people seem to think i do i think i think you said this last show as well i think you're absorbing that term in the wrong direction in my opinion i think when most people say influencer they don't mean of companies they mean of the audience no no that's 100 true so they're not talking about your ability to influence valve or nvidia well a lot of people in the audience think it goes both ways though right it like for sure does i think there are a lot of i think there are a lot of people in the online media slash influencer space who pretend that it does as well i think there's definitely the ability to influence rage within a company at certain employees for doing certain things so like uh if something goes poorly a high up that sees that thing go poorly might crush down on someone for it uh but if that was literally what they were intending and you're like i don't like it because price go up yeah i don't we're not having any kind of real impact on to care high level decisions i mean if if online anger from you know influencers and and fans or whatever could could affect major decisions at large companies like disney's star wars leadership would not be what it is right now yeah but yeah i i still think this has viability um there's also that another aspect of this that you've talked about fairly extensively at this point which is the top 10 of earners buying 50 of things um oh the k-shaped economy does this really affect the top 10 % of earners no but i also don't think that they were necessarily going to be after such a mainstream product in the first place level i don't know i think you can get a lot more pc for a thousand dollars yeah but i don't think being top percent percent i don't think being top 10 earner means you're savvy yeah that's fair i think it's like oh cool steam has more hardware I really like the Steam Deck.

1:36:16I'd be cool with more Steam stuff. I'll just attach it to my PC. I'll buy the Steam box thing that can play video games on my TV. That's awesome. So next week, we're going to be shooting me building my own Steam machine. Hold on. 10 % is still a huge market. No, it's 10 % of income earners are 50 % of the purchasing market. Yeah. So the top 10 % of earners are responsible now for 50 % of US spending. This is specifically in the US. Which, for a wide variety of reasons, is super bad. Is wild. Yeah. Like, absolutely mind-blowing. Like, you can literally target the top 10%, and you can hit half of the spending in the entire U.S.

1:36:57market. And when you consider how much lower margin that other 90, the products you're selling to that other 90 % are, because they're going to be, you know, more entry-level products, all the lucrative opportunities, I shouldn't say all, but many of the lucrative opportunities can be had by only targeting the very, very top earners in that market. No, so Ballster says it's bad, but it's still what, 35 million people they can sell to? No, no. That's not what's going on. That's completely besides the point. The point is that when brands are targeting their product development and their marketing, they can just ignore 90 % of Americans.

1:37:47And, you know, those 90 % can go, hey, please, we're drowning and we can't afford this. And brands can be like, don't care! Because they can access 50 % of the consumer spending, the far more lucrative, far more profitable spending by only targeting the top percent of earners that's the point yeah it's not yeah the yeah when you're looking at amount of sales it's 50 of sales are to 10 of people nipolis cage says nvidia has entered the chat yeah that's that's a prime example that was that was exactly what gave me the epiphany about this was like i was trying to put together how all gamers seemingly are so angry at NVIDIA and yet NVIDIA's gaming revenue keeps going up.

1:38:44And I was like, everyone's mad. They keep selling more GPUs. Their market share keeps being over 90%. How do I reconcile these? Well, right. It's because those 90 % are a very loud voice, but not a very powerful voice to people to whom the only language that matters is how much of my shit you're buying. and that was how I kind of finally put it together, and I went, oh, right. So these angry gamers, I mean, you might as well be someone who pirated the movie complaining that you didn't like the plot. Literally, you don't matter. You have no voice to a company whose only language is money, and that's just the case.

1:39:31Once an organization gets large enough, is everything boils down to a spreadsheet, to a finance document, right? you literally have no voice if you're if you're not exchanging money with this company dead anti-social and floatplane chat says buy more money yeah well

1:39:57yeah that's rough yeah so i i still think it'll be interesting for that 10 of people which means that if it is, if that is true, if it is interesting to those 10 % of people, then it will probably be successful.

1:40:13Chapper 88 says, is there a do your own Steam Machine video coming? Yes. I finally get to build it next week. I've been out of town. So Justin and Jordan got to have some of the fun without me, but it's going to be in the original Steam Machine prototype case that valve sent out completely overhauled hardware that's awesome like like cutting edge amd um processor for both cpu and gpu like like super fast machine um it's still going to use all commodity hardware so unlike the official steam machine 2026 whatever year they attach to it It will be upgradable in the future, and we tried to make it match the OEM Steam Machine experience in every way, and we were not able to get there for reasons that we'll get into in way more detail in the video, but it's good enough.

1:41:11It's good enough for me, and I'm pretty excited about it. Yeah. Oh, Too Far Gone says it's time for the weekly Intel Arc check. i'm actually worried because all the rumors that i've seen have been gpu prices going up in january let's see has the arc b580 gone up in price okay that's not a good sign the uh oh oh yeah that's okay you know what no 259 is within my margin of what i consider to be msrp there is still one arc the Onyx Lumi that is available for$259 Dan do you remember can you post the link? Wait The female audience in float plane chat along with Noki, Mr. Nebih and some other people are reminding me of what our Newegg affiliate URL is It's lmg.gg slash Newegg Feel free to use that link and then go and pick up an ARC B580 12GB GDDR6 GPU with the Intel Holiday Bundle, which I remind you includes Battlefield 6.

1:42:24There you go. Or, one of these other games, if you prefer Dying Light the Beast, Assassin's Creed Shadows, or Civ 7 for some reason or other. Yeah, you probably won't. Yeah, you probably won't take that last one. It's there. That's cool. Yeah. Great high-end, high-detail, 1080p gaming card even can handle 1440p if you don't mind a little bit of you know xcss upscaling um just yeah super quality card i um i actually didn't realize this until i was chatting with him at ces but david gautier who did the most recent arc challenge and actually sold i think he had a 3080 3090 or something like that really solid i don't know what it was but it was really solid you know how at the end of the video he's like i'm just staying on arc he's still on arc that's cool and we i was chatting with him about it that's really and he's like yeah i've just i've just disengaged from because because we were talking about how i came across a comment on um i think it was on the the amd the amd show coverage video where i pulled a gpd win 5 out of my backpack and was like, I've been playing Expedition 33 on this at 1080p, like epic details, no upscaling required.

1:43:49It's incredible. To be clear, I'm not targeting 60 FPS at epic on it. I have to go down to like medium or high or use a little bit of upscaling in order to, if I wanted like 60 plus FPS. The point is just like, it looks, I was like, this looks so good. It's absolutely incredible. And I'm not using any upscaling. um amd's strix halo chips are absolutely incredible but they're expensive that was sort of the point that i was going through so someone um actually me in the comments and they were like expedition 33 is a piece of shit game because you actually can't run it without any kind of upscaling or gross taa or whatever i spent like several hours trying to fix it and turn all that stuff off and i couldn't i returned the game and i was like okay first of all brother sorry what i meant was i set my upscaling scale to 100 if that still has some filters or whatever that bother you might be then fine but i think my i think my meaning was clear number two get over it it's a great game if it is even at all even remotely a genre you enjoy or you just are looking for an adventure and a and a wonderful story with engaging characters get over it and just play it um and so i was so i was talking to david about that interaction and that was when he mentioned like yeah I'm just I've just disengaged myself from needing to obsess over every pixel and I'm so much happier and he said it at the end of the ARC challenge I just wasn't sure if it would stick but he's still running his B580 and the guy's a gamer like don't kid yourself it's not that he just like I don't know didn't really care that much because he doesn't play games that much like a gamer definitely a gamer confirmed verified actual gamer yeah and uh i just i don't know man i'm just like whenever i hear people freaking out about gpu prices i'm like hey or hear me out buy the one that isn't unreasonably priced just buy it i want to leak it so bad but i won't but we have something very cool coming for this whole arc price check thing that's all i'm gonna say seriously that's all i'm gonna say you can't do that that's all i'm gonna say that's that's you don't have that power wait he does now i do he's drunk he's gotten drunk with power he owns half the wanshow for for two weeks it's not even it's not even wanshow stuff though it's it's a different department but yeah no I really wanted to show it off this week and to use it this week yeah but we won't we will we will use it in the future I think I know where you're going with this all right that does sound very exciting and I'm excited for it yeah all right what are we supposed to be doing now oh float plane announcement yes sir Dan I'm on it oh my god there's so many more topics still that's fine this is fun I'm having fun this wait I was about to say the show is brought to you today by float plane uh no nice no yeah it's brought to you with float plane heck yeah where is the float plane oh there they are luke did you know that ces happened this week look i'm just reading sammy's thing here i take no responsibility for this i didn't know because nothing eventful happened okay that is actually that is actually legit this is why i kind of opted to not go sort of saw it coming this was the lowest energy ces that i think i have been to maybe the recovery year the first year after covid because it was pretty slow but there was at least tech that year but like in terms of people it was pretty slow i asked a lot of brands like look level with me here i'm not leaking anything you know that i've been around for a while yeah do you really have anything what's shaking no not even bacon no and there was a lot of people that are like you know i can't say but i'd be like well i'm considering like not going i'm trying to figure out if i need to go and they'd be like yeah okay for the first time ever i don't know if you know this i came back a day early i didn't until like half an hour before the show someone mentioned you got here wednesday or whatever and i was like whoa i got here i got here yesterday afternoon i was in office yesterday i was supposed to be i was supposed to be flying back this morning and i came back normal i came back a full day it's not even that normal for you to still be there on friday yeah like like doing the show from vegas we've done that or not abnormal he means like That would be normal to be there all week.

1:49:00But we got some stuff done ahead of time. So MSI sent over that monitor with their fifth-gen QD OLED panel. So we were able to talk about hardness improvements and magenta, whatever. That was a sponsored video, full disclosure. But it was still cool new tech that was coming at CES. What was another one we did early? We did Dell's 6K monitor early, also sponsored. we and then once i got there i i got briefed on the new dlss stuff like the night we arrived which is on the weekend which is still before the show so i had all the information but then of course you know with any brand and no offense to nvidia but particularly nvidia what i'll do is i'll write branching versions of the script one where everything they tell me is totally true and one where there's a little bit of bullshit mixed in with it.

1:49:53So you always go with the one on the left. And this time, no. Oh. Dude, have you tried DLSS 4.5? No. We'll get to that in a second. Okay. First, so I got briefed on that. I think I wrote and shot the AMD coverage because we had a pre-briefing on that. And then Intel, I was able to do on the very first day of the show because I had that sponsored thing for MSI's laptops. They wanted to show off their prestige laptop and their stealth. And both of them contain Panther Lake. And I was like, okay, listen, guys, here's what we can do. I can do a dedicated sponsored LTT on these two laptops and you can have 300 ,000 views.

1:50:38Or hear me out. Panther Lake is kind of a big deal. I really want to talk about Panther Lake. You can be the vehicle through which I talk about Panther Lake. that will get probably closer to a million views. And by the time I start talking about your laptop, probably half of those people will have tuned out. That is still more than you will get. That is still a W. If I make the video just about your laptop. And they were super understanding about that. And were basically like, okay, go ahead. So I pretty much got my entire Panther Lake coverage, which I had all the slides from, from the way better presentation that was like the architectural dive.

1:51:18rather than the keynote. I didn't even see the keynote. I heard it was trash. I've heard some very bad things. And I'm actually super glad that I ended up taking that approach rather than even, I didn't even go to the keynote. Keynotes are so dumb. Yeah. Because there was actually a spontaneous post on the subreddit, like the LTT subreddit that was just like, hey, thanks Linus for providing like a really balanced take on Panther Lake. And I was like, I didn't even really feel like, like i had a particularly because you didn't see the keynote because i didn't watch the keynote so i literally just looked at the panther lake like architectural brief and i looked at the at the lineup and i looked at what they're claiming in terms of like gpu and efficiency improvements and i was like and and then i i was able to game on it at the msi booth and i was like yo this thing sick what games do they have available i i didn't ask for more than just cyberpunk because i've seen it on so many different platforms yeah that you just you get a feel you get a feel for it and i was able to feel enough that i was like i am justified in being enthusiastic about this that was all i needed to know right it's show coverage it's not a full review at the event that we went to for panther lake a bit ago um they had a laptop there that you could game on but they had one game it was already loaded in you couldn't open the settings oh i was allowed to you couldn't see the frame rate and it was a unreleased game okay so i gave feedback being just like guys you got to be slightly more useful than this meant actually nothing like yeah please uh and they seemed receptive so that was cool um anyway so yeah so by like day two i i think it was was it Tuesday or Wednesday?

1:53:10It was whatever was the day of the robot fight. Yeah. UFB 5. Here, hold on. Let me find out. Where's that going up? By the way. We're going to have a video and then also I think they're going to have their own things. Okay, so January 6th. So by Tuesday, because that was, so Sunday, Monday. You were like done? By Tuesday, I had nothing booked for Tuesday morning. Yeah. So that's where finally, coming all the way around to Sammy and his float plane announcements sammy pings me he's like yo do you want to just go hang out on the show floor i really like doing these um so yeah sammy and i hung out on the show floor we went through the uh was this the north hall or the central hall i forget which one it was but we just did we did one of the halls together and it was cool we found some cool stuff i found some cool contacts i found uh i found a company that makes um um like a really cool competitor to conformal coding that's like you can rework you can apply it without masking right so we're gonna we're gonna hopefully collaborate with these guys i found um i found a company that does like flight sims but like professional ones oh but also a cut down educational version that's still like pretty legit but doesn't have the motion controls and stuff and they're down to collab on like a$10 versus$100 ,000 flight sim.

1:54:35That's cool, actually. So I'm super excited about that. That's awesome. So it was like, it was great. I actually got to attend the show floor as like a networking event for a day. And then I had the bot fight thing, which was something. It was quite the experience. We've talked for a long time. I actually had a conversation with Emma about this this morning she was asking me about ces and like why didn't i go yeah and i i gave this spiel of just like there's i just knew there was nothing this year like i just i just it was in my bones i knew there was nothing this year i also tried to get suss out feelings from these different companies and no one was really giving me anything and usually you can kind of see in the eyes of somebody when you ask them like is there really going to be anything you can see the like the like the the competitive spirit a little bit when they're like i can't tell you but you can just see it they're like oh i've got something feel the energy it's like when i guess nobody had that yeah like you can tell if you're close you know yeah yeah uh and i was just like there just wasn't anything um and salmo asks did you get anything good for the tonight show i did there was like gimmicky stuff that i think is gonna is gonna sell really well for like a tv audience um and there's like wow factor stuff but it's not an ltt video it's not something you should buy you know so this this was my next point necessarily some of it's pretty cool some of it's pretty cool this feels like an additional inflection point because we had the original you and me working together we walk into the little little thing at ncx and there's a mountain of products and you just film film film and then you're done and then there was part way through i don't necessarily know the exact year but there was part way through when we started having discussions about like we need to make the content now we need to become the news because what i used to say yeah there isn't enough interesting automatic news there isn't enough products coming out yeah this feels like another dip in that where like your show floor walk where you're saying oh i networked and i found these interesting video ideas oh we can make this video idea on this this flight sim thing that makes a ton of sense to me personally we can't just wait for it that's what we have to do now yep yeah and that's where the tech house that's where the tech house comes in emma brought up the tech house emma was like the tech house makes a lot of sense now because you guys have to take an additional step forward to push even harder to make the news or whatever whatever however you want to define it yeah we will and it's it's it's not necessarily a doom and gloom time it's just adapting with the times and now we're in kind of a two-year cadence almost we're like i bet you next ces will be decently interesting i think so i think computex is actually going to be pretty sick to copy text will probably be pretty good because next ces will be interesting i i guess i just kind of like casually dropped that by the way um yeah we should talk about that i don't know it's up somewhere yeah i know i just don't know how it works um I'm like Boomer trying to navigate this I'm going to guests I Don't Understand Tickets Request tickets something Posted on Instagram I mean it's gotta be Okay shows come on Okay the tonight show with Jimmy Fallon Okay Come on here we go here we go here we go I think I got it.

1:58:08I think I got it. Here we go. Just need to bit it. Hey!

1:58:14I might meet Jason Momoa. That'd be pretty cool. That's pretty sweet. I, uh... Okay, this is going to be embarrassing. I have to look up this guy. Oh, I think he's SNL. Comedian, writer, known for his work on Saturday Night Live. Okay, that's cool. Super cool. Okay. So yeah, Thursday. Thursday. Put it in your calendars. Thursday, January 15th. going to be on the tonight show with Jimmy Fallon we've actually got a bunch of really cool stuff um that's gonna it's more mainstream because you know we're we're talking to a very different audience from the LTT audience and you got to be able to kind of hold it there's limitations yeah like I saw I saw a really incredible chocolate 3d printer that it's like on demand so it takes only i think it only took about 30 seconds no no it was more than 30 so it's about two minutes to like poop out a chocolate like about this big like a chocolate 3d printer and so you basically go yeah i want this one i want it in this shape and it prints it for you and then it comes out and it's like ready to eat and i was like that'd be super cool how on earth would we get it there yeah but like how would make a lot of sense but if it was if it was there and that's difficult how fun would it be to start the segment being like okay okay jimmy pick what shape of chocolate you want and he goes like and then we get a little bit of footage of it starting and i go a shape and then try this piece of chocolate and then give him the piece of chocolate in that shape or something while we wait for this to go let me show you some other cool stuff yeah hey feels like uh feels like we've waited long enough for our chocolate is it done it's done and then there's chocolate jimmy and then he eats it exactly right like that kind of thing but just the the the logistics of getting something like that relatively short time frame on a short time frame just seemed like they just weren't really gonna happen yeah um so yeah there was there was a lots of stuff we had lots of options we actually gave them a menu that was like a dozen plus items long and i think we've narrowed it down to about half a dozen now do you guys do the the like writer hunt again uh we actually had um or procurement hunt yeah who was it who was on that we had someone who was basically dedicated for a couple of days to uh finding things for the tonight show which makes no financial sense because no um not because they didn't try but i wasn't compensated in any way for the last appearance and i i doubt that i am this time because it's it's i'm canadian and so it's like harder for them to pay me or harder for me to accept the funds for some like tax or production reasons i don't remember it wasn't their fault um but it's like it's not But it doesn't make any money sense, but it's fun.

2:00:54Yeah. It's just fun. It's like someone made an offhand comment to me about that UFB robot fight thing. They were like, oh, I assume they just threw a big bucket of money at you. And I was like, no. It just sounds fun. If they did, I would have disclosed it. So you would have known. But also, I was just like, I don't know. Fuck it. I'm going to do a robot fight. Come on. I keep telling people. Why wouldn't you? dude i'm so i feel like i'm so easy to figure out like i'm telling people i'm in my zero given phase in my career so when i decide to just like realistically spend a lot of money to go and like i don't know be on tv and meet jason momoa because that sounds pretty cool and also fallon's super cool too by the way from from the limited interactions i've had with him we're not like BFFs or if I want to like be in a robot fight I don't know man I'm just I'm just gonna do it I don't care anymore yeah sweet I don't care anymore I'm just gonna go for it do you want to leave CES early because it's just kind of boring yeah then I might just do that too yeah whatever let me check let me check the Jimmy Fallon leads chats there is a point in time where that would not have been an option shout out Jake Belavance for all the cool stuff that he posted I think Sean Caldera might have been our guy or was it Nolan?

2:02:17I can't remember who was assigned to that. It might have been Nolan. But yeah, we put in the work. We put in the work. Oh, wait. What was I supposed to be talking about? Oh, yeah. Okay. Other exclusives over at lmg.gg slash floatplane. We have LMG's favorite tech of the year featuring the one and only Mr. Riley Murdoch. But that's all you get to see if you don't want to subscribe over on Floatplane. Our discussion question is, what was Linus, Luke, and Dan's Tech of the Year?

2:03:17What was your tech of the year? did you get a little can for it no i didn't you know what the worst part is i was at like those are cool though i was at pimax's booth their new ones might be a better beyond than the beyond there's trade-offs there's trade-offs they don't have the custom fit gasket are they like huge like the pimax no okay they have a new one um actually is that is that video up yet there's a there's a short circuit short circuit i'm not i'm not that worried about it i'm happy that the space seems to be moving right now it doesn't i i love they're pushing it forward yeah yeah i purchased something that i was really excited about and that's okay i'm not like if there's if the if the steam frame is really cool great if the new pi max is really cool great that's not a problem i think it's great i don't i don't want that space to die um and competition is good and I'm not I'm not gonna be frustrated about my purchase because something happened to me that delayed my ability to use it like that are you just trying to show off how much more mature you are than the average consumer right now like I'm just I'm trying to figure out your motivation for giving this spiel I think it's just like I don't I don't love that like see I'm just above that oh my god I just um I don't love that uh beyond big screen beyond has been put in this like position of like does everyone regret their purchases now that there's competitors and it's like whatever dude they made a cool thing like the Pimax one is not as light is it the crystal light is that what we're looking at no it's the dream or air or something dream air dream air SE maybe yeah there it is there that's the one okay so here it is so it doesn't have the custom gasket it's not as light but they do have a number of options for the um wait is this the se

2:05:16yeah yeah that is not the resolution that they told me okay check the dream air not se okay because they told me a different resolution se it might just look really similar 38 40 by 3552 for the non-se okay good then the non-se is the one that i was covering at the show okay so we check that one out the fov seems way higher than the um i mean they've always been fov heavy haven't they that's kind of their deal like their thing yeah so uh these are these are 4k per eye uh up to 90 hertz um do they come in clear though clear like the uh the the big screen beyond comes in clear yeah dude it's so sick it is so cool so cool like that has a value yeah it actually does oh yeah i think their i think their cable management is a little better they did a cool cable that splits the display port and the other data and it actually plugs in on both sides so it doesn't and their rationale for it was that very lightweight headsets if they're being tugged from one side are more susceptible for sure that makes sense it's inside out though did you get a clear one i got the translucent orange it's both so that's pretty cool there's two versions of the Dream Air.

2:06:28One that uses Lighthouse Tracking and one that uses Slam, which is pretty cool. They can't be unlike Pimax's other ones that have like swappable modules and stuff. It's not modular. You can't like, you can't just turn one of them into the other one. But it looks pretty good. It looks pretty darn good. Very impressive.

2:06:50I am gonna take a total cop out path here and I'm gonna say Steam Frame. okay it's not out yet yeah that doesn't seem fair is that is that a hack that does seem like a because i'm so excited i'm so excited that is sick i think i think for this answer it has to be stuff that came out this year it's for reasons that are so specific to me like i have that weird fanless cooled machine in my rec room that i use for vr and specifically the big screen beyond 2's like breakout box like doesn't really work to to get into where the io is in that case and their cable's a little shorter than the index so like the cable management kind of sucks and i can't really like i can't really put that cool machine up on a little pedestal where i want it without putting a hole in the side of my media console so it's just been like kind of janky and annoying me and being able to switch to wireless is going to make it all look so much nicer it's like so specific to exactly how I want to use it.

2:07:49Although I am going to have four holes in my ceiling now for where my base stations used to be, and I will not need those anymore. That was unnecessary. But hey, anyone looking for some base stations? All right. Okay. So pick something for this year. You know what? Okay, fine. I'm going to go with something that is out this year, even though it kind of sucks so far. And I'm going to go with micro RGB backlights. Sorry, mini RGB, mini, not micro but but rgb backlighting uh that that new hisense tv the one 16 inch that we looked at earlier this year not there yet because you get when you have a dimming zone that isn't just a glow when it's like a colored glow not great whenever you spot it and the and the motion response on it was not good the pixel to pixel uh transition times are just too long uh but i can see where they're going with it and it's like really cool really exciting yeah

2:08:49all right how'd we how'd we get on this subject i mean that was the subject so you can go back to topics now yeah that was a merch message no that was a full plane announcement talking about ces oh was it yeah whoa my job is just to talk so like well you did it correctly and then second guessed yourself thanks dan wait classic uh you don't have to you're great something i want to throw out there really quick was that uh i got my reddit account back oh hooray i don't remember which day it was i think it was like tuesday or something um i got a text message when i was still asleep because uh time zones and stuff i guess never noticed it and then got a quick call probably one of the fastest calls i've literally had in my life okay from a robot at dbrand which is how they will be referenced um i didn't even know that this robot had my number but they called me and i recognized the robot and was like okay i picked up the phone and they were like hey uh i have a contact do you want me to solve it and i was like yeah that'd be sweet they're like cool loop you in by click gone I was like whoa what and then like literally like 10 minutes later or something I got an email from somebody being like yeah I can solve that just do this thing real quick I do that thing real quick I count back wow done all right that was crazy That was pretty cool, not gonna lie.

2:10:27Ragaitus on uh, in float plane chat, it's good to be the king. That was pretty sick. Pixel cat, now that's influential. That was uh, that was pretty cool. Where is this man's Wikipedia page? That should be on the Wikipedia page. Aided by a robot. Got his Reddit account back. But yeah, thanks Dbrand. I appreciate it and thank you robot how much you want to bet that your Wikipedia page is already better better than what better than it was when we looked at it earlier in the show today oh maybe it's never gonna happen I mean I said that about myself wait why can I can't even find it anymore isn't you go into that reddit thread and then click on it right was that where oh yeah that is how i found it before yeah okay let's see let's see if it's improved oh come on guys get it together oh man all right what else do we have here at least you should call them brobot but their their specific like branding around it is robot though so i'll be i'll be nice but i do like robot this is cool um co-founder of both cd project red and gog has acquired GOG from CD Projekt Red reiterates philosophy of freedom independence and genuine control it's cool that CD Projekt Red wanted to divest of this asset to focus on other things and didn't sell it to private equity yeah I dove into this a decent amount yeah and it just actually seemed totally fine wholesome and chill yeah love I was like where's the badness in this and it never showed up isn't it cool when CD Projekt Red just like behaves all cool yeah yeah they don't always get things perfectly right no no nobody does no they don't but i see i think that's important i think that that at this point it is just such a bad faith bullshit take to talk about you know how crappy cyberpunk was at launch anyone who was upset about it got a refund and they made the game good and a lot of those people just bought it again what more can they do

2:12:44i don't know why this made me think of it but they will never solve starfield starfield that's bethesda though i know oh okay i thought sorry i thought you were i was like what does that have to do with cd project nothing okay your based gamer status is removed immediately i don't care about we tell wow they're different companies you're done wait you're a starfield fan no no no no no no that he thought that they never it's just i'm thinking like of the great comebacks it's like they were it's fairly similar time right it was it was cyberpunk and no man's guy and i know a lot of people have looked at starfield and been doing the meme of like poking it with a stick and being like hey do the thing it's not gonna happen okay so binky draws says the most they can do is not let that situation happen again no people they were human and they made a mistake and they're gonna still be human and they will still make mistakes ideally it's not the same but they might be different humans but it might and it might be different humans actually not might it will be different we're talking about a corporate entity it's not all the same people i can more or less guarantee that people have been hired people have been fired and people have quit in that period of course i mean it's a gaming studio so just layoffs have they done that no i don't think so i don't know if uh yeah i don't know cdpr has done that infinite money this isn't microsoft dan oh i'm so sorry you could just say any other company ever i think that's something that that in our in our fandom and in our passion sometimes even we we we get i don't know we we get just sort of emotional about sometimes and we go well like well like doing better should mean being perfect going forward and that's not going to happen that's never going to happen for me i promise you that it's never going to happen for Linus Media Group or Creator Warehouse.

2:14:35We had a thing show up on the subreddit earlier this week where someone ordered, I think it was an extra large hoodie, and they got a small. And then they contacted customer service, and we offered to send a replacement, and they got a small again. And they contacted customer service for a third time. And asked for a new hoodie. And we sent them a small. A third time. That sucks! that's so rough nobody would do that on purpose we need to like hand deliver them the right size or something that's brutal there's no there's no malice you know but sometimes sometimes communication errors happen sometimes somebody didn't get their coffee when they pick an order and it was the same person who skipped their coffee like a week later and sometimes sometimes an entire batch gets mislabeled and you i i legitimately don't know what happened with that yet we will find out fortunately it was a u.s customer within the u.s and so like we can get it back to the dc maybe and find out if it was a mislabeling on the packaging or a mispick like things happen i mean um it's not good obviously it would be better if everyone just you know bought a game that was perfect out of the box or bought a product and got the right thing in the mail at the third time at least but like you know i think what's more important is that you move forward in good faith you try to fix things and i i think that's like that's such a that's like my corner that's my cornerstone these days that's the thing that i'm kind of clinging to is the concept of good faith engagement.

2:16:29As long as someone is engaging in good faith, which means with a genuine shared interest in reaching a mutually acceptable solution, right? They actually want the problem resolved because sometimes you have people who don't actually want to resolve the problem. Yeah. They just want to be angry. You know, they just wants to watch the world burn, Master Wayne. How's a triple small shirt guy doing? They basically, I haven't checked back in, but what they said was at this point, I think I just want a refund, which we'll be happy. Totally fair. Totally fair. We'd rather get you your shirt. But if we can't, then we'll settle for just, you know, a refund.

2:17:12We should fix it by sending them the correct size and also a small in the same box. Stop.

2:17:22um what are you what is what dan and adam what are you guys talking about in the chat dan says we should hand deliver a small the fourth time no i also said he was trying to move the dead stock oh my god did adam actually did he did he comment on this everybody if someone would let me i would hand deliver it lol yeah no adam that's not i think you should let things work that would be really funny too take the xl label off an xl and put a small on it even though it is an xl shirt hand deliver it here's your here's your small yeah buddy wow you've really put on above and beyond it's a bunch of sizes up oh no you know who'd end up being two smalls if you try to send the cracks my sand as well that's funny no no um all right what else we got here uh ces of wacky stuff oh yeah we could do that ces 2026 they put ai in all sorts of wacky stuff okay and so we're supposed to rate out of five okay how appropriate we think the ai is okay Why don't we start with the AI barista from Bosch?

2:18:41Okay. Bosch debuts Alexa Plus for coffee. Are you laughing, Dan? This is serious. This is serious coffee shit here, Dan Besser.

2:18:59Is it just like... I mean, coffee does that to you, but yeah. bosh's new jesus amazon button to order more toilet paper okay stick that right on the front bosh's new ai powered personal ai barista for its 800 series espresso machines built on amazon's alexa plus brings conversational control to coffee brewing but apparently the ai struggled a bit with simple tasks its predecessor handled with ease all right out of five with five being the most appropriate i don't drink coffee but i think i'd give this like a two because i feel like it's just going to select from like i don't know six different options that it can do and it looked like there was a screen on it so you could just poke the thing and i feel like people have this whole thing of like don't talk to me before i've had my coffee and now they made up no it's a one People have a thing that says don't talk to me before I've had my coffee and now they're making you talk to your coffee machine I think it's a one.

2:20:06I'm giving it a one a one. Yep I I feel like saying is don't talk to me before I've had my coffee And then they're like hey, you actually have to talk to things before you've had your coffee. I don't disagree with you I'm just worried that you're painting yourself into a corner a little bit. I might be because there could be something else It's so much dumber. It's a two. All right. It's a two. I'm going with one I think I think it's a two because it looked like you could kind of override it i think it's a one because of how much how little i would need to change and to be clear i don't drink coffee what's the bottom of the scale but how one to five okay so one is the bottom yeah how little how little i would need to alter what my like morning coffee experience would be so i'm comparing this to how much better it would be to just have a preset like no that's what i'm saying just press the button is like you saw me using the super automatic that we have in the writing lounge or the writing department area yeah you just push a button yeah but like there are different like versions of coffee it can make i assume i was like i was looking at a super automatic you know i'm in the market um there's some of them can do 30 40 types of of coffee yeah and most of them just do espresso plus some form of milk which is basically all you need like if it could do it does it does that you don't have to talk to it what's it yeah is it a little art thing they put on top of the coffee they're not going to be able to do that yeah they won't be able to do that but if it could yeah well but then it wouldn't need ai for that anyway okay so it's a one then put a put a bird on it alexa coffee machine you know what i'm going with two i don't want to paint myself into a corner i'm sticking with one then i'm just i'm just i think it's just actually stupid i don't think anyone wants this i think it's dumb i was messing with you i also think it's a one all right let's move on do you want to bring them up and then i'll do the i'll read the things uh sure yeah samsung showcased ai oled concepts what why like a cassette player and a turntable where the cassette uses ai to provide interactive display features and music recommendations and the turntable integrates AI driven visuals on its circular OLED display this one

2:22:32one I'm gonna go with two one I think this is a solid two because unlike the coffee maker where it serves absolutely no purpose that anyone has ever asked for ever they're actually attempting to do something is kind of remind it kind of reminds me of like a laser rock show but way dumber so that makes it that makes it not quite a one all right do you want to bring up the next one yeah sure i'm trying to figure out what this thing even is but go the govi life smart nugget ice maker that's a big ad that is a very um that is a very hey english isn't my first language word to use to describe anything to do with food.

2:23:20Nobody wants, other than chicken nuggets, nobody wants a nugget of anything anywhere near any food. So the smart nugget Ice Maker Pro, introduced at CES 2026, uses AI noise guard, trained to detect freeze-ups and automatically defrost so the machine runs more quietly and efficiently. Oh my god. I think, I think this is a four for me.

2:23:58Imagine how much more ice cream McDonald's would have sold if they had an AI to detect when their ice cream machine isn't working. Imagine it. Now imagine that probably that wouldn't work anyway because that wasn't really the issue. the thing for me is like if this is if this is just modern branding stuff and it's really just you know there's a little bit of machine learning in there all right it might be cool i think if they're like trying to slap llms in this thing it's stupid but i think i think it might actually just be okay we need the stupid trendy words but there's actually just like a little bit of machine learning in here, which is like pretty alright.

2:24:41But if you want me to talk to my freaking ice maker, which I don't think they're doing. So like I think this might actually just be a branding thing because like their actual name for it is the Govi Life Smart Nugget Ice Maker Pro. They didn't throw AI in the name. They did put smart in there. Although admittedly that's more IoT era. I'll take smart right now over AI. I didn't like smart when it was around. It's like Windows 8.1. It's amazing how good the Phantom Menace looks in retrospect. Yeah, now that the new things exist. Jar Jar Binks, you know what? Not that bad. Maybe he was okay. All right, next up.

2:25:27GE's new smart refrigerator with kitchen assistant combines a built-in barcode scanner that automatically adds groceries to a digital list with an AI-powered camera system for tracking contents and reducing food waste alongside voice and touch controls to help manage shopping, meal planning, and inventory.

2:25:53What do you got? I wouldn't buy one because of data tracking, data invasion, all that kind of stuff. if I'm purely if I completely ignore all of those very valid very large concerns it's probably like a five I give this one a three okay because I would want something that does all of that stuff but this one won't yeah okay I mean that's fair I'm so I was going on the assumption that all the insane privacy concerns are not a thing yeah and I was going on the assumption that it worked both of which are not okay. There's no way. Yeah. Yeah, there's no way. If I had a fridge that legitimately was like, hey, here's everything that's in here.

2:26:39You could make this. If it was doing all of this locally, which it's for sure not. I don't even care. If it was doing all of this. I don't care. Why? You could just list those things out. Give it to Grok. If it wants to make porn of my celery stalks, then let it do it. No, that's not the problem. If I never had to think. That's not the problem. I don't care. I still don't care. There's like big problems with this. I can detect illnesses and sell that data. And like, there's lots of issues. I would be over it if it simplified meal planning. That's my line. Meal planning sucks. It's like my least favorite thing in my entire life.

2:27:15You can already use LLM systems for meal planning. But I won't because it's not built into my fridge. That's dumb. If this actually worked, if this actually worked and I just, it would just like, crap out like a thing that i could make and just give me instructions and i made it and it was delicious and nutritious you know what you know you know how you do it you've talked about how you you don't have like a cook yeah i don't you should almost have like someone come in and just look at what you've got and make you recipes and then have them leave that would be that would be that would be the most unhinged thing ever oh we could get vanced on this what are you guys even talking about that's not vance's job he's an executive assistant not a personal assistant they're not the same thing are you not an executive if you if you had higher output oh my god um anyway yeah it's not gonna i mean it honestly might be able to suggest recipes i don't think so because it would have to have it would it would have to properly track age of the it would have to probably track what's in it that stuff is concerning the age of it the age and date stuff and the consumption of it what about the stuff you don't put in the fridge like does it know you have rice yeah or beans yeah yeah like it's yes it just sucks it's yeah so if it could do its claim and it wasn't obviously obviously making a decent amount of money selling all of your data then i think it's really cool actually yeah but it is making a bunch of money selling all of your data which is like a hard stop for a lot of people and mostly for dan's reason to be completely honest it's not going to work anyways no it's not going to work so like so i'm averaging my scores the theory oh yes okay sure then yeah it's i think it's like a two all right all right next up le pro's a me a desktop ai companion uses an eight inch curved oled screen and an integrated ai to be that big to display a 3d character that tracks your eyes senses gestures and expressions interacts contextually to offer an empathetic presence on your desk and is marketed and I kid you not is marketed as an AI soulmate.

2:29:52I've got my score ready. Can we like break the scale? I don't know.

2:30:02It makes me so sad, man. it's so dark it's so dark for humanity it has to be a one my god i'm a two and the reason the reason i am averaging i am averaging the usefulness of ai in in this product which is the that's the exercise and i think that yeah did it need to be like an interactive desk soulmate probably would need some kind of llm integration to be even remotely interactive with the negative four of how much i feel this product should exist and anyone should use it i ended up at a two god well one and a half which i rounded to two following rounding rules it is worth pointing out by the way that razor um just because you sponsor the wan show doesn't mean we aren't also going to bring up your cringe desktop ai assistant oh i was talking to mark about those before the show i heard about this what is it called he suggested that we get them for the editors instead of putting in the sad lights is there's making an ava like yeah razor can you send 15 of them people will buy that the marketing is slightly less cringe but the fact that it's a waifu is slightly more cringe so and apparently one thing that's cool is you will apparently be able to use whichever llm you want a thing that's a little less cool is right now the one that it works with is grok which has had some problems lately um to put it mildly it might not be problematic for the people that are buying this oh which is why it's a one put it away dad oh my god look get rid of it get rid of it i can't anymore wow

2:31:59get rid of it i'm doing it i'm doing it okay moving on i want to bring up the glide yeah it's up glide has unveiled a smart hair clipper with an integrated ai stylist that uses your smartphone camera and app to map your head coach you step by step and adjust both blade length and motion in real time to guide haircuts and prevent mistakes.

2:32:35Disrupting the 50 billion dollar grooming market. Oh yeah. All those not extremely highly paid barbers. We definitely need to disrupt them. That's very valiant of you. Good job. I think it does definitely... Okay, if we go with the assuming it works angle, you're selling the data on your skull, I guess, which is weird, but probably doesn't matter. If we go with the angle that it works, I think it has quite a bit of utility. Is it going to work? Would the errors with it be really hilarious? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I think... So there's a funny factor. i think that i'm gonna go with a one really yeah i'm a one on this why is that because the ai in the case of the fridge there's a real value to the ai being built into the fridge with this yeah it really does not need to be in the clippers it does not need to be in the clippers really be your phone especially with like depth scanning with an iphone yeah yeah so it should really be in your phone yeah yeah the clipper is like actually too close to interact with in any meaningful way to provide any kind of instruction.

2:33:50Yeah, if it was just like, you know, you buy the app and you put a phone mount on your mirror and you put your phone there and then it like guides you, that would probably be fine. Adam from CW says in Floatplane Chat, I would like to ban Silicon Valley bros from saying the word disrupt. Yeah, it like kind of was fine. And then now when they're going after industries like that, it's like i don't know leave it alone all right next up multiple ai smart toilets samsung's oh uh these are devices that use at hem cameras optical and acoustics does this mean acoustic sensors there will be pictures of my what it was that it's a hold on hold on hold on i'm thinking let me get let me let me get there let me get there okay okay these devices will use cameras optical slash acoustic sensors acoustic sensors i was waiting for him to hear that they want to hear my farts dude i want i want a database of my farts now and machine learning to analyze urine and stool samples uh or stool patterns detect health related changes and provide insights or alerts via companion apps you should have the poop olympics you know how divers have that whole thing about how they're supposed to make a very small splash it should be why would i need that it's a five it's a five definitely just for the chance that we could have the poop olympics it is totally worth it sell pictures of your butt not even sell it give pictures of your butt away to toilet companies we need we need this needs to be like social media there needs to be like leaderboards yeah fart book from letter kenny yeah this one this one is more complicated for me than the fridge because with the fridge i don't think that for me personally i don't think there's much that you would glean from my eating habits that would tell you much about my predispositions um i think that the the capacity to use totally would by the way it would tell us some stuff it would talk about when you're in various emotional states and blah blah blah blah and then they would target you with advertising like it's super a thing for most people maybe but i make fun of you a lot if you're eating nothing but like chicken breast i am a very predictable eater as well you will learn basically if you're having a rough day would you have extra cereal no i'm serious i'm actually serious right now i've seen you binge on some pickles sure but like then i will go a year without eating a single pickle which has nothing to do with my emotional state like i just i i promise you that and i know that everyone would say this and maybe that's a personal thing and maybe you're right i promise you it would tell you nothing but for a huge amount of people yes which is i think more what we're judging this and that's fair no no not necessarily so this is for the self i'm saying for you're right in general but for me personally the fridge thing is way less of a concern for me because you would you would not learn that your fridge is for your family this is true but by the time any of this works my kids will be moved out no oh uh what if what if they're having um cranberry juice what if one of your daughters is having cranberry juice well like by the time my daughter is drinking from my fridge like by the time these ai fridges work my daughter's going to be drinking cranberry juice out of her own fridge there's no way it's happening in the next like five to ten years no no shot either way my point is i think that's bold you think so i think that's bold you think it you think it'll work in the next few years for literally just that scenario that i described of person of certain gender consuming certain thing i think so lining that up with certain types of advertising i just don't think i wouldn't be that surprised if that's like soon you think so you think it'll actually work it's a specific reference yeah it's like to indicate that you have a urinary tract infection probably um unless you normally happen to drink cranberry juice um and for men too by the way um cranberry juice is also just good yeah but like it's also associated with certain things but also it's good for utis um

2:38:22Okay, you're making me come around on a little bit. However, however, I do stand behind that the the poop is going to have information about your diet and also the functioning of your body. One is very egregious. Yeah, we've talked about this on WAN before. That the fridge will not. Totally. The fridge bothers me still a lot less. Yeah. So, so this one. um however however however this one still ends up being a three for me because the necessity of it actually being included in the toilet for it to function to me is very high however how much i wanted in my life is a one

2:39:10because i this one yeah this one i'm like deeply concerned that if you you take like one poop that has blood in it or something and you're somewhere where there's poor legislation governing this and your insurance company can like before you even know there's a problem like cut you off if it can if it can tell you are super sick and you open the uber app nice gonna charge you more for a car yep yep all right what else we got ah yes last one last one and then we're and then we're over this okay samsung has a whole lineup of ai kitchen appliances including a fridge and a wine cellar so for the vino files which apparently the more correct term is actually we know files oh we know files whatever it doesn't matter the point is samsung has got the bespoke ai wine cellar which uses ai vision with built-in cameras to recognize wine labels track each bottle's location and update a smart things ai wine manager the notes say sheesh i just wanted to get a little drunk i actually think this one assumption that it works seems like a five or a four If it doesn't work now, this one will work a lot faster than the like general fridge one we've been talking about.

2:40:38Yeah. Because it's like way more specified. Yeah. If it knows its own layout and everything you're putting into it is a particular shape, this seems like it could pretty much be like Amazon just walk out like Go Store technology, but like way, way, way easier. Speaking of which, there is a further correction to our correction on the Amazon Go Store. Oh, yes. Yeah. Last week. I feel dumb. I should have noticed this. Yeah. Just walk out is totally still a thing. They're just deploying it differently. So when I said canceled, I just meant that like particular implementation of it. Oh, I meant the other thing.

2:41:13Oh, which other thing? Oh, we've done this. Yeah. We might as well transition into that. We're done that. The viral Reddit post about food delivery apps was just AI slop. Yeah. I'm annoyed with myself. I should have noticed this. Yep. We talked about a, and I usually pride myself on noticing these things decently well. and this was, I'm upset with myself. We talked about a viral Reddit post last week on WAN Show. The post claimed to be from a developer for a major food delivery app, claiming that priority fees and driver benefit fees go 100 % to the company. The driver is seeing none of it. Turns out, even though this post got almost 90 ,000 up dutes, 4.8 thousand comments, and even 1 ,000 pieces of Reddit gold, it was AI generated.

2:41:55When a reporter had reached out for further comment to find out more information, The original Reddit poster sent back more information, including their photo ID and documents, but those were AI generated. When questioned about it, the Reddit user blocked and eventually deleted their accounts. They used for the Reddit user blocked that person and then eventually deleted their own accounts that they use for communication. Rough. There was a lot of signs that this was kind of BS. I think it had nuggets of truth that I wanted to be true. So I fell for it, which is exactly how this whole thing works.

2:42:32So, you know, yeah, I feel dumb to constant vigilance. I slipped up, need to be more on top of it. Cause this is just the world we're going to live in now. And we're going to slip up again and we're going to do our best to put, put better safeguards in place so that we don't, we will correct when we can. And we're just going to have to power through it, boys, because that's all we got. Yep. We just got each other empowering through it. Yep. Ugh. But yeah. Oh! Oh, speaking of having each other, want to hang out in person? Oh. The first Whale Land of 2026 will be on February 21st. Ticket sales start on Monday, January 12th.

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2:44:42I actually didn't know that we'd finalized those. Let me go. Well, there's an upcoming lands button and it shows these. All right. Needs a keen. All the way through 2026. Okay. Oh, it says they're tentative. Okay. Good, good, good, good, good. Oh, I didn't read that line. Cool. Well, I'm glad someone did.

2:45:05Cool. Cool. There's a no notes. Discord has confidently filed for an initial public offering or IPO. Confidentially. Confidentially. What did I say? Confidently. Nice.

2:45:26Dan, were you live when you also said anything? Normally, I don't correct. Yeah, okay. I mean, you know, if we're just wrong, it's probably not a terrible idea. I fixed it for you and now it's truth. You changed the topic title. See, Luke is my boss, so Luke is never wrong. That is a good, yeah, I like that line. That will be how I manage from here forth. Okay. You can do no ever. Uh-huh. If I do, it's like Kim Jong-un. If I do something wrong, it's just the right way to do it now. Yeah, I like that. It's a good strategy. That's good for rocket science. We're all about dictators. here in the West.

2:46:07Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you think of an example of a company that serves... What does a penis potato have to do with anything, Dan? What? Everything. What? He said we're all about dictators. Oh. Sorry.

2:46:26Can you think of an example of a company that serves a niche or loyal fan base, then became publicly traded, and actually had its regular customers benefit as a result? chat you're gonna have to help us out with this yeah for sure gonna need help with that okay that serves that serves a niche or loyal fan base okay then became publicly traded and its regular customers benefited syphilis says amazon no you got it long term it's got to be long-term buddy uh-uh dude amazon is so in shitified now yeah i don't think we're gonna come up with anything the next discussion question is what do uh should we do should we do a dictator's shirt and it's just like a potato in the shape of a penis with like a hitler stash would that be on brand for us how do you get across it as potato i guess you can show like yeah it could look like a potato root growth or whatever probably not probably for the best that we don't okay anyway sorry um we do well as a sticker or an enamel pin though

2:47:40look at gnocchi in public stop him it was so fast sorry you guys have to i i dot dot dot and then chad help

2:47:58noki has to put that in the time stamps now noki has to type penis potato penis potato conversation we have to have it there's no way to avoid it because that's what we're talking about noki that is that is true would it be flaccid look the answer is it would probably look better the answer is that i old the answer is that i don't i don't have to do it i choose to do it to you

2:48:32riley told me off for doing bad chapters that's also funny i do not know that i don't think i could imagine riley telling off anyone come on does the just to keep the topic going long enough that it has to be its own section yeah does the does the penis potato is it is it veiny oh because you do get some potatoes that will have like a bit of a thing going on yeah i could i could see that or not peeled well not peeled i think not yeah not peeled for sure so like european potatoes but like should it have like uh like a hole in the end or like could it have a couple turnips at the bottom there's potato eyes.

2:49:11Oh, interesting. So it's like a cornucopia that makes a majestic potato schlong.

2:49:27Okay. I think that's enough. I think that's a section of the show. What do you expect shareholders desired changes for Discord might be? More money. Or just more users. Get some of that internet money. All right, we kind of talked about Panther Lake already earlier. I like Panther Lake. That was one of our topics. We haven't really talked about CES much, or AMD much from CES. Did you pay attention to what they were up to? Nope. Yeah, so the rumored 9950X3D2 did not get announced. Oh. Yeah, so instead we get a 9850X3D, which is a quad-core but 400 megahertz maximum boost faster. Cool. and if you compare to like what 9800 x3ds could do with like pbo it's it's the gap gets even smaller yeah um no i know no pricing which is ominous uh there's one thing i'm pretty excited about strix halo got some new skews so that chip that no one can get that no one can get supply of and even fewer people can afford yeah um now has skews that have fewer cpu cores but still the full gpu okay so for the like dozen people who want that of which i happen to be one of them that's pretty cool because i've really enjoyed i i'm i'm i'm like deep into claire obscure now on my gpd win five and it's just i don't think you've mentioned it like 12 times for the last two shows it's such an outstanding gaming experience it's like a 40 60 mobile but like in a handheld form factor it's like love it it's really cool yeah it's super cool um that was it uh nvidia's stuff should we talk about that oh right yeah i was gonna talk about dls4 and a half okay so this was like the first time that i can remember that nvidia has undersold something when they so when we were talking they've ever sold they've oversold literally everything since the 1000 series launch in my view really three three thousand series was pretty sick you don't think it was they fibbed some stuff in their keynotes three thousand i think the one thing that you could go after them for three thousand series was that 8k gaming on the 3090 while technically true we've we tried it it worked it was like unnecessary and i don't think that's a fib so much as a misread of the direction the market was going um like there's a lot of games that you could game at 8k on a 3090 um three thousand serves pretty sick i don't know man all right fair enough chat if you guys if you like i'm they're still just talking about like president richard tater over here maybe i'm maybe i'm uh conflating the price jumps around that time well right but that was msrp stuff that was partially nvidia's you know participation but also a larger is that i was frustrated with every one of them at launch it was pretty great okay cool all right fair enough so so okay dlss 4.5 so dlss 4.5 so when we're doing the pre-brief they're walking us through it and they're basically like yeah so uh we think this is as big a leap forward as dlss 4.0 was in terms of image quality compared to what came before and um it's trained on like five times the the data it's or five times the compute for something whatever metric they're using um and it is like in many cases closer to ground truth than what we call native rendering these days which is actually not compared to the like many many many many many samples that they're taking for their for their reference images that they're using for comparison to benchmark the image quality of their model.

2:53:24And our first question was, okay, if I'm to believe any of this that you're saying, then why did you not call it DLSS 5 with the second gen transformer model? And they basically went, well, it's a second generation of the transformer model. We're not actually adding anything new. We have more multi-frame gen, but it's just more multi-frame gen. So that's actually quite logical. We arbitrarily picked 4.5. Sure. And that kind of got me going, okay, well, then there's no way that it's going to be as big of an improvement as they claim that it is, because there's no way that NVIDIA would have missed an opportunity to market something as the best thing ever.

2:54:09You need more green in your life. Like, there's no way. so I get into the booth and I'm like shooting my intro and I'm kind of, you know, dunking on AI a little bit. We have stupid AI cartoon Jensen holding a bubble wand and like, we're kind of, you know, we're kind of teasing them a little bit. And then I, I get in front of the system and I'm like, holy shit. Um, like this looks really good. And I saw, I saw a fair bit of criticism on the video that I didn't move the character in Black Myth Wukong. that was only because they had the character in like exactly the same spot on both systems and i told them i wouldn't but i i could pan the camera like i could move the scene and then the other one where they they didn't just not want me to mess up their demo i was allowed to do whatever i wanted with it but that wasn't nvidia hiding anything um what's up sorry the top comment on this video um the the this nvidia video that you did the top comment how long before fake frames become real frames and nvidia has to make fake fake frames out of fake frames yeah that just i don't know just reading that and then can't wait for 50 90 performance on a 60 50 both of those just got me giggling they hit pretty hard yeah yeah um anyway i got in front of it and i'm switching between the two models so nvidia had set up for their demo so that you could switch between old dlss and new dlss you could just have a hotkey to toggle the models it's like

2:55:41wow the boiling is so reduced um the general sharpness and clarity is so much better and when they told me in the pre-briefing that it was going to help with hdr i was like what are you even talking about that doesn't even make any sense to me um but then once i saw it in action i was like oh okay so it doesn't it doesn't make your monitor brighter obviously but it does a better job of detecting glowing objects and particle effects and things in motion that are supposed to be bright so yeah it doesn't make your monitor brighter but it does make the hdr effect more impactful sure it is a marked difference in image quality to the point where i was looking at it going for the first time i would just turn this on no brainer in any game that it looks this good in and uh like multi-frame gen obviously latency is still going to be a thing right but nvidia actually to again to their credit mind blown had their demo set up um for uh what's that what's that game called the um like the space exploration the sequel uh help me what game what game was that space exploration sequel yeah outer worlds 2 thank you um so on outer worlds 2 their frame gen demo was running on i think it was like 50 60 ti's or something like that like they they they didn't just show the top and 90 yeah the top end card they weren't showing here's a card that doesn't even need 6x frame gen genning 6x frames and getting 700 fps or whatever that they could have done that demo but they chose instead to do outer worlds 2 which was using up to 6x frame gen and delivering, yes, high latency because it's generating more frames than it's actually rendering, but a very smooth animation experience.

2:57:49And it's important to understand what the point of the demo was. The point of the demo wasn't, this is how I would play this game. I wouldn't. I would turn down the details. Which even the NVIDIA people, and I trash on their communication sometimes, but even the NVIDIA people very openly admit. They wouldn't always even run it on at all. And when they do, they would run it at various settings. And this is why they offer you those things. I do respect that. So the point of that demo wasn't, this is how I would run this game with 50 plus milliseconds of latency. The point of that demo was how good do these generated frames look?

2:58:21And they look shockingly good for how many of them are fake frames, are generated frames. I am... Darkguy2 says, pretty sure Jensen and other top people just don't care about gaming anymore and leave it to the lower teams. I don't know. everything i've heard about jensen is he's like sort of a mark sort of a micromanager with everything and like very involved but i don't know i don't know how true that remains he's been doing a lot of more like pr like like being a face of the company stuff lately like interviews and things like that so i don't know i've met the guy but i don't like know him so it's hard for me to speculate on that anyway um yeah dlss 4.5 the new model and and you can try it for yourself you don't have to take my word for it you can just you can just go and uh if you go in the geforce app if you have an nvidia card um fairly recent gen the older cards have a bigger performance hit on it from my understanding but you go into the nvidia app and then you have to find the option to opt into beta and experimental features and then you just wait as far as i can tell they might have a check for updates now button i couldn't find it when i was trying to set this up at a booth and i was in a hurry but i couldn't immediately find it but i just waited a while and eventually it prompted me to restart the NVIDIA app.

2:59:38Just make sure you got the latest drivers and then you select Model L or Model M depending on your use case and you can go find information on which one is best. I turned it on in the MSI booth in Borderlands 4 and it was just like, wow, this is really good in this too. So I've seen it in Outer Worlds 2, I've seen it in Blackmouth Wukong and I've seen it in Borderlands 2 and it just looks really, really good. i um for the first time i'm like okay well this is just the future then it's it's interesting to me because like you know i don't i don't love the i can understand it but i don't necessarily love the like oh developers just suck and need to do better argument such uh that is such a just lazy but broad strokes yes but nonsense argument you look at arc raiders and embark and you look at 1080s running that game north of 60 fps yep and it's like oh man well it comes down to what you're trying to do some games are about lighting and ambiance and some games are about making sure that looks great there's different ways to make a game look great and it's not the best looking game yeah so like okay yeah and it's just it's just it's we're in an interesting it's such an interesting crossroads uh because on the competitive side you don't want that input latency no i wouldn't i wouldn't use any of this stuff for a competitive title but then it is super interesting actually upscaling maybe that's a longer conversation but frame gen absolutely not and there's always been different settings depending on if the game is competitive or single player whatever but this is like a very deep divergence in like how your computer is going to feel depending on how you set things up in my opinion well i mean again that's uh that's where geforce app comes in where it's supposed to just click a button and it gives you the optimal settings there was a crazy thread yeah where uh a buddy and i were playing a game and he was having some performance issues and we're trying to figure out what the heck was going on because it was like it was weird he had like 25 gp utilization and was getting 40 fps okay like just odd oh boy here we go googled it brought him to a reddit thread the top voted comment was click optimize in the nvidia app top voted comment not not like everybody's just like yeah duh do that not not a debate really just no like the optimize no like you know conversation or anything just like what it could be what it couldn't be what you might prefer versus what you might not prefer nope just click the optimize button.

3:02:28And did it work? Yeah.

3:02:33cool crazy jeromer and floatplane chat goes uh dllss will become like the lossless slash compressed debate in audio file i've seen i it might have been dromer the previous time too i saw this earlier in full plane chat and honestly if we're looking years in the future i could maybe see that especially if they figure out the the latency thing i'm talking like well that'll be that's tough theoretically reflex 2 is the solution we'll solve it or reduce the projection yeah solve it like be better than native like uh it's already used in vr um and they've they're clearly working at it uh if you want to if you want to familiarize yourself with the with the uh with the idea behind it here we did we actually did a video on this a number of years ago now i think uh linus reprojection thought of this here hold on it's called i'm embarrassed i didn't think of this asynchronous reprojection uh it's super cool tech and um the original source is actually what was uh what was but yeah yeah here we go so there's comrade stingers original video and download links so you can like play around with it and then two clicks philip did a video about async reprojection as well um oh hello hold on a second youtube oh well that's interesting um my browser tab just like stopped working anyway the point is what it does is it couldn't you still be shooting at a phantom you could but there's already latency between you and your opponent anyway yeah we just compensate for it in the same way we compensate as much as we can so what async reprojection does is it decouples your inputs from the game's frame rate so it moves opponents and other objects based on the updated data but your interaction with the engine is completely decoupled and buttery smooth um so theoretically there should be no downside as long as wait for it as long as you're still running at like a reasonable frame rate but it will feel so much betterer.

3:04:59That sounds like it's great for input lag, but I still feel like you might have issues with the whole shooting at phantoms thing. I don't know if this solves competitive gameplay. I might be misunderstanding something or just not very familiar with this. There will still be disadvantages to having a low... Hold on, I'm actually just trying to think. No, no, hold on a second, because like if you're trying to snipe like a pin-sized head on a on a hill away far away from you yeah they could move enough that it could be a problem but if you're in like uh like a close quarter shotgun fight or something um i yeah i kind of doubt it i think you i think you could be not shooting at phantoms uh there will i think there will always asterisk like functionally always be purists and very very high performance like esports athletes who will just simply need a 90 90 ti titan or whatever the thing that i'm trying to ask isn't even necessarily for myself like is this gonna make a difference for me realistically no but like is is shroud gonna turn this on is probably insert other name i don't know whatever but like yeah so here here we go okay i've got my i've got my stuff fixed so with just a few clicks asynchronous free projection demo takes 30 fps and makes it feel like 240 fps and it's kind of hard to tell um but we have often done a pretty bad job there we go so this is what's happening it's taking each one frame that you get and it is decoupling your inputs from those updates no i yeah i get that so in so at 30 fps it's um what is that 33 milliseconds at 60 fps that's 16 milliseconds that is freaking not a lot of time so if you're running the game at some like reasonable refresh rate 16 or let's say you can get 100 fps so now we're talking about more like like 10 milliseconds or whatever um would you rather have your inputs at a thousand hertz on like a thousand hertz monitor even knowing that you know the objects could be a hundred milliseconds out of date or whatever but probably not if you tried it pretty much everyone we put in front of it was like holy crap this is amazing i would love this so much more um yeah my prop my problem with the thing that I'm describing is you wouldn't really be able to tell super easily without like analyzing individual like in a first-person shooter game or something where if you're fighting with like blades and it's it's physics based or whatever you wouldn't be able to tell without analyzing but there's already so much slop in any kind of multiplayer game because of network latency anyway that I just be tough to I just don't see this again the main issue me does this really no it's probably fine whatever i didn't have a desktop for a long time i have a desktop again i was quickly reminded that i am now older and slower than i used to be it is what it is um also rusty but yeah also the other thing yeah um and you know like i do okay but like it's not i'm not i'm not a competitive gamer and i i have long accepted this and that's fine um me too even more than him not that it's a competition but i have hardcore accepted being non-competitive more than he has yeah i still try yeah um there's no point for me uh but um yeah i i'm wondering about like the super optimized situation for someone who is genuinely in that level of competition trying to do that thing yeah is this viable that's that's the part where i'm wondering i don't know i think we're going to know until we actually get reflex 2 or 3 or 5 or who you know who knows right because clearly this was working well enough that someone was able to put together a very compelling very exciting demo years ago um it's already working in vr games um and used very actively and nvidia it has been cooking on this for us presumably this whole time and they're not they don't think it's ready yet so yeah yeah it'll just you know we'll have to we'll have to try it because because my the reason for bringing this up is the whole lossless versus compressed audio thing yeah is like effectively universally used in my opinion except for i wonder what dms would say i wonder if he uses lossless or not i'm actually not sure um he does use losses okay i'm not convinced that he actually thinks it matters though i think it's one of those i can so if your equipment's good enough you can hear it but there's diminishing returns okay compare can hear it compared to what though compared to like you know not high quality yeah compared to streaming or like compared to a cd um well cd is pretty much indistinguishable right red books red brooks pretty damn high well so that's compared to an mp3 sure definitely that's what i'm that's what i'm that's what i'm that's what i'm talking about here is like when we say can you hear the difference from lossless i think what luke was getting at lossless compared to any kind of lossy compression Decently high quality.

3:10:44And I am personally not convinced, and I don't want to put words in DMS's mouth, but I'm pretty sure we've talked about it. And high quality compressed audio is pretty darn good. Absolutely. He was talking about the... Does it make sense to mention video ideas that might be like pretty far out? Yeah, all right. Cool. Sounds good. Was there anything else in the NVIDIA CES keynote? I don't actually think we talked about it at all. There's other stuff. Who cares? Okay. Sounds good. Goodbye. This is cool. Prusa Pro AFS. It was actually the BattleBots guys that brought this to my attention. It's like just ready to go print farm that just automatically loads and unloads your plates and just does print farm things.

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3:12:14whoa it even like looks like it's made of zinc okay that's pretty cool wow did all the bits and everything dude i've seen this already and it's so cool good lord it's so sick what you did all the different colors and everything it's so sick dude wow what wow okay that's pretty cool oh hold on i accidentally went away when it was still saying what bradley does hold on hold on there were two things 3d generalist and motion designer motion designer yep so sick bradley doyle.ca genuinely fantastic canadian bro too you'll Oh, yeah? Yeah, love to see it. Sick. He has five subscribers on YouTube. Oh, that will probably go up.

3:13:04Yeah, change that.

3:13:08Okay, is that it? For topics? Oh, okay, hey. Bose has open-sourced the SoundTouch API. After previously announcing the end of cloud support for SoundTouch, Bose is taking steps to ensure that their owners aren't left SOL. Our discussion question is, do you think Bose is getting it right? Should they be doing more? Obviously, in our perfect world, when you sell something that has a function, it just has the function forever. This is the acceptable compromise that we have laid out. So it would be pretty hypocritical for us to now say that Bose needs to do more and do better. This is obviously not ideal, but it is better than nothing.

3:13:47So I'm going to take the small L. yeah i think without diving into this way too much this seems like to a t what we've asked companies to do if they're going to shut something down which again ideally you don't shut it down but we also are realists and recognize it's gonna happen that you can't just keep everything going forever so i think that's really awesome makes me think more positively of both straight MarkDickTep69 asks if we've talked about the Clix communicator. People in the community are hyped AF. No? You probably should. Yeah, I could try it, I guess. Yeah, do it. I mean, I did recently try a phone with a keyboard again.

3:14:41and what I discovered is that, wow, I use a lot of special characters these days and that's good. I like it. Autocomplete is really good and screens are actually legitimately faster than I ever was with a full keyboard. I definitely have more to learn about this one. There's things about it that look better than previous keyboard, phone, modern attempts at bringing back the past. I heard rumor that one of the original BlackBerry designers is on the team. Okay. I don't know. Well, that worked out great for BlackBerry. Well, it did originally. Yeah, right. I don't know, man. I would love for this to be like the Logitech G Cloud, where I go on WAN show and I go, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

3:15:34Seems dumb. and then I use it and it totally changes my opinion. Sure. I'd love for that to happen. Probably not. But I bet I'd love for it to happen. It would be cool. That's going to be my attitude. I would love for it. I would love, I'd love for that to happen.

3:15:55More topics, more topics, but like I'm the kind of guy who wants like even more screen, not even less screen, which might make that tough. I think one of the reasons why I said I don't think it's going to happen isn't because I'm like, oh, the clicks is doomed or whatever. I think it's not for you. Yeah, I'm just not the guy. Yeah. Should this be hosted by someone else? No, I think I can be fair to it. I don't think there's anyone here who would want to keyboard on their phone, quite frankly. Like it seems like... Is there more going on? With what? Like, are they doing something more? They said a phone for people who want to, like, do stuff, not doom scroll.

3:16:42And then their thing says tools for taking action, not distraction or whatever. Are they doing more than just put keyboard on phone? I'm pretty sure it's just the keyboard. Yeah. All right. I think it's time for After Dark, Mr. Dan. Yeah.

3:16:59Hit me. Sure thing. Yeah, we got a few here today. Oh, it comes out of the things like a case. It can just be a normal phone. I just watched a little mini video. Oh, neat. There's just a USB-C plug in the thing that gives you the keyboard. Watch this. Replay. Oh, that's the cases, though. Click. That's a different product. Oh. The Clix Communicator is a phone. Clix Communicator. Okay, so I didn't click on that. I just scroll down and then it's no longer that. All right. Sure. That was a little bit confusing. My bad. Cool. Good chat. Okay. Hello, LTT. Linus. How is FFT Ivalos going? I am on the second last fight and it's a giant load of bullshit.

3:17:55and um at this point i would either have to undo the last few also bullshit but i made it through them fights and grind a bunch of stuff and get some equipment that i need to bring with me specifically to make this fight winnable because i need to be able to absorb some stupid element otherwise i will just immediately be one hit every time any of them hit me um or grind a bunch of levels um or i need to go back out of this dungeon so undo those three fights and then admit defeat and go off of tactician difficulty and go back to the standard difficulty in which case these last fights will just be a breeze because i've been playing at tactician difficulty so i'm i'd be like ludicrously overpowered to play against normal opponents in which case i don't even really care about finishing it either of those two ways enough so i'm on like the second last fight and i gave up but I beat the game already so I don't really care and I got almost to the end at tactician and the only reason that I can't get through it is because I like I got like two of my shields broken in the previous fight so I like didn't bring enough I think it's yeah ice shields I didn't bring enough ice shields with me and a couple of them got like broken by stupid knights so I like don't have enough to keep my opponent to keep my team from getting just sniped across the map by that bullshit guy in the second last fight that just has an ice gun that just destroys you and then i didn't grind uh break weapon on mustadio and just like cheese it like that so it's just i don't know man i don't know man it's one of those things where i know that tactician is for experienced players of the game but when the only way to beat a fight is to have like done a very specific build or like have a very specific item that you've got equipped that's not super fun for me i like being able to build a somewhat rounded party and i'm i'm over it i've got a question here from cody is wi-fi drunk what happened to wi-fi 70 i mean wi-fi has been wi-fi has been drunk for a while i mean remember 802.11 b and then 802.11 we went all the way to G and then 802.11.

3:20:14What was the next one? Was it AC? Was that the next one? And then we went to Wi-Fi 6, I think. Hold on. Did they drop the letters after AC? Oh yeah, N. I forgot about N. No, no, it was N. AX is when they were calling them like both. G, then N, then AC, then AX. then we retconned all of that and called it all wi-fi to wi-fi five and then came wi-fi six then six e and now seven and then yeah magic yeah you know you liked it yeah there you go 11 11b 11a 11g 11n 11ac 11ax 11be 11bn no one really used 802.11 though and then a and b existed at like kind of the same yeah there you go kind of the same time uh a i think was five gigahertz rather than 2.4 if i recall correctly but literally quite literally nothing consumer facing used it um yeah it's pretty cool

3:21:17am i remembering that correctly oh yeah oh there's a table right there to the right yeah yeah it was five gigahertz yeah yeah there you go cool good chat hi dld on your comment about hard drives ibm is trying to strategically position tape ibm diamondback for long-term storage due to data center boom do you think the bubble will pop on them i know tape's been around i don't think the whole time is ever gonna die yeah it's it's it has not that's all point of tape it has not left tape has been around uh it hasn't been around at the consumer level really um although there's been a couple attempts it it's yeah the problem is the drives are so freaking expensive but if i remember correctly the tapes are pretty cheap right yeah yeah the drives are just out of reach of consumers realistically good timing what you said the that they were out of reach of consumers right as the price um yeah but the but the tapes are fine and like genuinely a lot of big enterprise has been using them for um yep the whole time they're very reliable they're slow af but for long-term archival storage until we get like dna storage or like storing data in crystals crystals or something this is um this is pretty awesome aren't some of the sizes that you can get like obscene like 512 terabytes and like they're massive like crazy yeah it's honestly my favorite part about tape is like the robots like the tunnels and the tape grabbing robots and the it's just so neat oh this was cool um i dropped by for our systems we didn't end up making a video but their new cold plate looks amazing i was kind of i was kind of skeptical because i was like okay i mean we've pretty much gotten to the point where um you've made copper fins as small as they can get you know how much better does it get it turns out oh this is not a great ah this is not a great shot oh shut up they don't have the they don't have the geometry on their site come on you guys okay well whatever it turns out that if you use deposition manufacturing like they do with their air jets um you can create shapes through very similar to how you would manufacture like like silicon like semiconductor products you can deposit much more complex geometries that dramatically improve the heat exchange and you can do it really cheaply which is probably the coolest part about it they weren't quoting pricing publicly but someone slipped up and told me a number which i won't disclose because i said i wouldn't but it seems like basically my next question was oh interesting can we have consumer ones and they were like we haven't considered that and i was like okay can we have consumer ones and then they didn't commit anything so that was neat for our systems there you go i've got one here for luke hey lld question for Luke.

3:24:25What's been your overall experience with OVH as a hosting platform? Hello from the OVH DC team. Oh, no pressure. Which is why I wanted to make sure I read the whole thing. I mean, with anyone that you will have had a, you know, business relationship for this long, there's been bumps, but I think it's been really good, realistically. Like the bumps that we've had, they have cared about them and sought resolution fairly quickly. And this includes when we've had account handlers that like did not know or care whatsoever about all of this they're just they're ovh people dealing with an ovh customer that has a problem and they cared and dealt with it and like some people have pointed out certain things that are kind of a little bit bumpy about the ovh experience and it's like yeah they're also show me the price competitor bruh i'll show you the similar bumpy experience like it's fine dude i've been pretty happy with how things have generally gone i don't have bad things to say there's a reason why i've been working with ovh for a very long time and i know there was certain stuff that we like relied on very heavily in the early days um like the ddos protection back in the day was like a pretty big deal and the ovh to OVH super high speed links that were like practically free, if I recall correctly.

3:25:53Yeah. Pretty big deal. Yeah. Yeah. We've been, we've been quite happy. I don't have bad things to say. I mean, okay. I could drum some stuff up, but like if I'm being realistic, I'm, I'm, I'm quite happy. Um, and I'm sure that if, if this question was asked in reverse, I'm sure there's things they could drum up as well. Cause we, uh, We definitely message them a lot about things. But yeah, they're cool. Come say hi in our French office. I have, technically. Twice. Both times were great. Both times were not for full plane, which is the majority of the usage that we have of OVH.

3:26:38Yeah, which was kind of funny, because both times I went, I had to tell them, like, by the way, we actually use your stuff. and they were like, huh?

3:26:50Which is like, yeah, okay. Maybe we should work on informing them about that. I don't know. Maybe we shouldn't. Who knows? Hey, LTT. I am doing a degree in special education and looking into working at a nonprofit for people with disabilities. I was wondering which teacher or professor inspires you. hmm got a couple answers for this one my uh my parents were my my mom and my stepdad were both teachers and my aunt on my biological father's side was also a teacher so i had a lot of teachers in my life growing up um and i always thought that it was a very honorable thing to do i always thought it was really cool uh i wanted to be a teacher until i couldn't get a degree you need degree to be a teacher at least here anyway um but i'd say like the teachers that i had in school that were very inspiring i mean madame baldasso um made me care about french um al horn uh outstanding english teacher who made me able to write and do my job that i do today um

3:28:02yeah i have three primary ones mr trattle who's i know he's still in the in the school system i think he's a uh a principal now um he showed me that like with effort you can accomplish a lot and he enabled me to push really hard like he noticed really early on that i was you know i'd be done the class assignment four minutes or whatever and you're supposed to sit there for the class duration and he'd give me the next one and then i'd finish a bunch of them in a day so he'd give me the next years and be like just sit in the corner and do all these by yourself basically i'm not going to teach you how to do them here's the information i have to teach the normal class but you can just go and i did that and finished all of the grades of computers in like the first year or two that i was in high school a lot of teachers wouldn't do that like that was he's going above and beyond and he kept going above and beyond a bunch of times i remember one year he took this i probably told this on my show before but he took a summer class at bcit on 3d game programming and then distilled it down and created a new course at our high school just called 3d game programming just for our year because our like a bunch of my friends and our group of people in my grade were all really interested in this and i don't even think he kept it going for future grades because none of the other kids had a lot of interest but i think we had two terms of it or something i don't remember all the details but like that was so unnecessary and so incredibly amazing and inspiring at the same time i remember again a bunch of us had interest in hardware so he did this whole thing i've definitely told him when show before where he got us a bunch of hardware that we could zombify together which was amazing he was awesome um mr mr thompson i would get really bad grades in english every single year yeah because i would just get torched for you know issues and he put a cap on that and then tried to cultivate the like you know you seem to like care about stuff and have ideas and whatnot so let's focus on that for now um and and grow your writing and then out of his course i went from like bottom of the barrel grades to doing really well and getting into AP English 12 and then being fairly successful in AP English 12 because it inspired me to try harder which was great and then Mr.

3:30:22First again just very inspiring about caring about things and pushing hard regardless and he was my physics teacher and it's great those three were like huge inspirations for me. I'm going to shout out Mr. Russell too for teaching me that not all teachers are going to give a shit about you. It wasn't that he didn't care it was that he projected how it's going to be yeah mr first showed that like you know it it matters if things are like hard but you still have to do them that was like a very important lesson from him of like here look i'll help you but at the end of the day uh you're gonna be out there on your own and you're gonna need to just be able to do it so like all right let's figure this out together i just found out that my ap english teacher um published between nine and six months ago a series of five talks at the merit bc library um on the history of life on earth what um and i pretty much guarantee you even though this only has as few as one view per video that it is going to be very entertaining and very educational.

3:31:35That's awesome. So there you go. That's actually really cool.

3:31:44Hello.dll. I'm having all of my teeth, including wisdom teeth, removed on Wednesday. Holy crap. Really? Is that a thing? Sometimes? All of my teeth. sometimes that can happen oh wow okay linus when you had your wisdom teeth removed how long did it take for you to not be in pain i think not in okay well it depends for the top ones it was pretty quick for the bottom ones man i don't remember i i i had those out like i don't know seven eight years ago um i remember it taking a while and it really depends i mean it'd be better to talk to i imagine is it like a oral surgeon that would do it at that point if you're getting everything out i wonder what what i wonder um i mean i don't want to ask personal questions yeah that that i mean sometimes you do it for dental implants and stuff like that too oh okay it's very big in the hollywood community oh crystal f you get new uh what what

3:32:53huh oh it might be oh it is yeah yeah why uh or don't tell us we don't yeah no no no no no you don't have to tell us why but um yeah it goes all right yeah i hope that goes all right yeah okay next uh dll should games cater to whales or masses for example here ea fc 2026 wow are you gonna let them finish or nope yeah sorry go for it uh they've been altering between reducing the meta based on feedback annoying the pros and increasing it annoying the casuals can following feedback be bad yeah i mean i guess that's well luke was way ahead of you i think that for a game like i think for a company like ea with a mass market product like a soccer game um yes yes yes yes luke yes yes yes yes yes um yeah it's it's tough because you are you're trying to appeal to everyone all at once and that's that's tough and if you don't you know if your game doesn't do 100 million 200 million a billion dollars in sales or whatever then for for some reason even though you were profitable your entire team might get laid off um you kind of you have to take feedback but then you also have to at some point grow a spine and make a game that has some kind of artistic intent to it um or not and just deal with that there's always going to be someone who's mad at you because just like running a youtube channel that is watched by millions of people if even one percent of people don't like the direction that you're taking it that's going to be like from a million right that's 10 000 people that are going to be mad about whatever it is that you did and when you upload every day or when you publish a patch every week or whatever it is that per that part of that audience or that player base that that is mad is going to is going to shift around and you're just going to feel like well i'm listening to you guys and now you're telling me i didn't do the right thing and it's just uh it's it's a lose lose it's a lose lose place to be yeah when i first heard the question it was like do you think it's better for uh slop to be generated in flavor a or flavor b that's that's basically just how i interpreted that i think sometimes when you receive feedback you got to analyze what the like root of that feedback is.

3:35:33And sometimes with Linus's example, when you have this like public thing that lots of people interact with, some of the feedback that you're going to receive when super negative, you might read it and just be like, yeah, okay, working as intended. To be completely honest. Maybe the thing that you made just wasn't for that person. And if they're like, I hate that it does this. And you're like, well, it doing that is the point, then that's okay. That's all right. If you make a horror game and somebody's like, I hate this game, 0 out of 10, it was scary. It's like, cool, nice. Maybe that person will ask for a refund and they'll get it and that's all right.

3:36:17But that was also sort of the point. So, no problem. Up next. Hello, LLD. USB cable testers range from$15 to over$100. To over$10 ,000. But yes, carry on. Yeah. I mean, accurate. And I have no idea if any of them are any good. Any advice? Tredix versus CaberQEU. Possible video topic after your new USB cables launch? I don't know that we would get into that, to be honest with you. For the, like, 12 people that it would affect. I looked very briefly at Tredix and it seems like it's sort of fairly basic and or kind of very DIY, like in terms of the information that they're providing, like they're not looking at the shape of the eye.

3:37:10You know, they're just kind of like, yes, no, no, yes, no, yes, no. What I suspect is that for very basic testing, does this cable work? It might tell you. It would almost certainly be able to tell you, no, it's broken, but I don't know that it's yes would be particularly meaningful to me. It might be amazing, but I have no experience with it, and I don't know that I have the interest in going to a level of depth that would be required to find out if it's any good when we'd rather just use professional level tools and make sure that our cables are good with those and focus on that for now. Speaking of cables, by the way, now is a great time, thanks, Noki, to head over to LTTstore.com and sign up for a notification for when our TrueSpec cables are going to be launched.

3:38:04Purpose-built lengths, so we want you to get the right length cable for you, so we'll have more than just the sort of main sizes. Clearly labeled speeds and feeds, just like that. And they won't come off because they are embossed. and uv resistant silicone style cables which are nice and flexible and uh feel just not style right it's just satisfying yes yeah they are

3:38:35hit me dan um last one i've got for you hey lld had two packages swapped and it did not appear like an innocent mistake for both. Oh, bummer. Got any fun stories about stolen or swapped packages at LMG or stories about suffering from retail fraud at NCIX? Man, I don't, I wasn't really involved in that department. Like, I'm sure if I could get in touch with, like, Rooji or something, he would be able to tell me all kinds of fun stories. But what I will say is that Corsair's side of the story on some of the stuff that's been going on... Yeah, is a little more nuanced than some of the public discourse about it.

3:39:20I know, right? We're still waiting to get a little bit more information and whether or not the people there can even really talk to us. but um you know hint spoiler um apparently in some of these cases like it's pretty obvious based on the volume of orders that one individual is trying to place for items that have price errors that you know they're not acting in good faith they're just trying to um get a lot of stuff so that they can flip it for profit which you know you're not really the victim anymore at that point it's certainly not black and white I don't really have I've actually had really good luck in terms of my packages generally arriving when I order them I've had I mean I've had delays and stuff but I've yeah I don't think there's only one time I had a major issue with a package and I had to drive to like the shipping depot and get it from them at the depot and it was because of some there was like a bunch of issues with the package and they wanted it to be like much more officially handed off to the point where i went to the depot for it and they like gave me a shipping refund or something i don't remember what happened but it was like very strange i've definitely had some weird stuff like that that scorpion chair they just like dropped it off oh dude okay yeah i've had one problem.

3:40:47I had a chair just left in the freaking lawn. Stupid.

3:40:53Alright. Nice, Dan. Please tell me you had your mic on. No. What? He said lawn chair. That's funny. You have to ding yourself. I won't tell the show until you ding yourself. Nice. And we'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye! Bye! Alright.

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