We Lost A Good One Bois - WAN Show December 5, 2025

40:32Not a single clue. How much does... The Lego film franchise, apparently. That's... I doubt that that's in perpetuity, though. Like, I'm sure the Lego company gave themselves room to negotiate moving their IP to someone else if they really want to. Feels like something... Lord of the Rings, though. okay but the lord of the rings one is complicated because warner brothers owns the rights to like the lord of the rings but then there was the whole thing with amazon and the that like rings of power show where like different parts of the timeline could maybe be licensed to someone else and that whole thing was pretty complicated if they felt like completely redoing the hobbit uh that'd be pretty sick oh make it one movie yeah three yeah that would be that'd be amazing i'd be cool with just deleting that from memory.

41:19Oh, it was so bad. That'd be totally fine. So bad. Just one movie instead of three. Make it long. Have the extended edition be like four hours. Sure. But just, yeah. The Lord of the Rings books, it was one movie per book. The Hobbit is a shorter book. 23 books. Toge Kibbe says it's really weird because there's a UK publisher that can sell Harry Potter books in the UK and Europe, but not in the USA because someone else owns the rights to sell it there. So who knows how this counts for JK Rowling? That's actually a really good point. In IP ownership and licensing, you can end up with really convoluted structures because the whole thing is built up at a time when it's not worth anything in many cases.

42:08And then the whole multi billions and billions and billions of dollars empire thing comes later. so someone who got in early with a certain slice of rights might have negotiated a really good deal back when it wasn't worth anything and that might end up needing to be grandfathered in and worked around so the whole thing can get super complicated and look chat your feelings on jk rowling are sort of irrelevant here because we're talking about money yeah and whether you like harry potter or you think he should have been a Slytherin or whatever, right? Doesn't change that money. Like, dude, Yvonne and I were Yvonne and I were over in Okay, one sec.

42:56Low's Earth or something in the Philippine chat said, WB had distribution for the big movies, but Amazon bought the entire IP from the Tolkien family. Okay, there you go then. Assuming that's true, that lays things out a little bit. Anyway, yeah, so we were we were over in london last year um yvonne and i and like we went to we were just walking around and there was this entire like store that was just harry potter yeah um also massive industry we were at disneyland and or was it disneyland or universal i can't remember whichever one has that game i can't i constantly can't remember legacy yeah it was one of the best-selling games the year it came out just no one talked about it yeah but it sold like crazy sold like billio yeah so we're we're just talking about how much they paid for this acquisition yeah and how much money they're likely to be able to make on it in the longer term netflix is gonna disney's someone said netflix is worth two two point five times disney it's nuts yeah disney's just getting raked by everyone right now though like and i said rake could just be clear uh didn't their last pixar film just like well like their their their thing forever has been uh kids stuff right they get you interested at the beginning and then they keep you interested forever but then the adults are super into like Disney stuff and Bluey is just dunking them dude on the like actually like kids shows end Bluey is dunking on everybody so yeah Disney feels like they're falling behind a little bit Disney just announced that they are re-showing Endgame in theaters

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44:42that's wild actually that's kind of sad you know what's really i don't hear anyone talk about the marvel movies anymore any of the new ones oh dude no well who cares no one cares at all eternals just killed it for me i don't even know what that is so bad it was just unwatchable yeah they they tried to introduce like nine new characters oh boy none of it made any sense in like and and look i'm not i guarantee you i am not the most insufferable but actually the canon person in your life but i care i care that you care enough to at least make an attempt to help me with my suspension of disbelief here.

45:28Like, that's what I care about. Lord of the Rings movies had a bunch of stuff happen in it that didn't happen in the books, but it felt truthful to the books. It felt honest to the books. And it was truthful to its own rules that it established. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the issue with Eternals is that it basically took everything that had happened up until that point, which included, like, Endgame and stuff, like universe level annihilation shit, right? And was like, yeah, these guys they're so powerful that they could have prevented it all but they were sleeping. It's like, what are you even talking about?

46:08Like, that's so stupid. Don't disrespect me like that. There's different like I've heard about the Witcher show, I never watched it, but I heard that it was like very difficult to keep the showrunners like on lore yeah i've heard that about a bunch of different things um well it's because everyone has their own like ego right yeah and they want to put their own fingerprints but then with like lord of the rings you hear about how the cast and the director and everyone was like would basically walk around set with the books yeah and would just like constantly be reading and try to figure out what their character would do in different scenarios It's almost like you acquired the source material for a reason.

46:50Yeah. Right? And like, you don't have to stick to it perfectly. It's a movie. You have to change some things to keep pace up and do all these other kinds of things. But as long as you're like trying to do it justice, it's a completely different scenario. Yeah. And to be clear, there are cases. There are cases where dramatic changes can be made to the source IP and you can still end up with a great product. How to Train Your Dragon is the example I always come back to. Okay. Toothless. In the How to Train Your Dragon novels. Okay. Toothless is like this big. And at the very beginning, the humans and dragons coexist.

47:29And the dragons are like, basically have the role of dogs in their universe. Wasn't it like the author supported the changes or whatever? Something like that. Yeah, she helped. Yeah, which is like, that's also awesome. But How to Train Your Dragon 1, which other than the main character being named Hiccup and his dragon being named Toothless and his dad being named Stoic, like other than names and that it was like Viking themed, has nothing to do with the first novel of How to Train Your Dragon. And it is a perfect movie. Literally perfect. I will go on record saying How to Train Your Dragon, the first animated film, is a perfect movie.

48:11it's unfortunate that you have to say the first animated film i know it's it's tough isn't it yeah it's a hard life it's a hard life um anyway the point is that kathleen kennedy needs to go yeah how is she still how is she still employed i have no idea dude it's so strange she squandered like the world's most recognizable ip i genuinely think like that mentality is why disney's dying like that should have been so the fact that the the new star wars series was allowed to be made even sort of in the way that it was made is is must be a i don't even know if it's fair to say micro but microcosm of why disney's dying in general and the fact that that is still allowed to continue is like, yeah, you guys are just screwed.

49:04I don't know if leadership is just asleep or what's going on, but like... Who does she have pictures of? And what animal are they f***ing? That's what I need to know.

49:20I wish they could have heard the uncensored version of that. I think that was probably funny anyways, but hearing that fully uncensored was great oh man jhcom says mandalorian was great though i only watched the first season it was great relative yeah to what we'd been getting yeah i i completely agree i enjoyed it we were that desperate but a lot of watching it i couldn't get the i couldn't get the brain worm out that was like if the other stuff was like as good as it could have been this would have been mediocre I couldn't get that out of my head. Dee Hollinger says, Kathleen Kennedy pushed for Andor, which is apparently good.

50:04I haven't watched it yet. I've heard very good things about Andor. And apparently the issues with Rise of Skywalker are known to be pushed by Bob Iger, not Kathleen Kennedy. Well then, oh my god, he's back too. What are they going to do? She overlooked the renewed trilogy thing. Yeah, that was... That's enough. I can appreciate that she's maybe I don't know done good things since then that should have never been allowed to happen in the first place who was responsible for solo story because that was that was pretty bad I have no idea

50:44alright well anyway good luck Netflix with your new acquisition I hope that you um are good to us consumers whose wallets you milk for profit i was gonna say and they won't be i know which was like proven by the beginning of this topic and like yeah no more casting i i gotta be honest with you i i don't cast i use the native apps on everything that i don't think that statement that they said is super far from the truth i think it's just convenient for them that's the problem yeah the timing the timing does look very convenient doesn't it yeah aha one of our discussion questions we did not uh talk about is what streaming service is worth paying for i don't pay for any of them um i'm gonna you know what youtube premium oh okay fair enough i think youtube premium is worth it is that a it's a streaming service you stream and it's a service yeah and it includes all the music you can eat yeah that part's pretty good like i i don't think i okay so i agree with you i think youtube premium is sick i've been subscribed to it for many many years we gain from saying this in a way because if you watch our stuff with youtube premium we get more money oh we gain from it directly to the people who are watching right now yes uh unless they're on full plane lol um but another quality streaming service But yeah, hell, I mean, yeah, there you go.

52:17That's that one. Worth It is very subjective for that one, though. I mean, the worth is, hey, like... There's the exclusives. We really appreciate you guys. We've got exclusives. You get early access to deals a couple times a year. But we're not saying all of this because of... It's not really a streaming service. It's more like a Patreon. It's more like an in-house Patreon for a content creator that you like. It's not... Because you don't subscribe to the service. you give a monthly payment to individual creators on float plane in that case sauce plus um yeah okay sauce plus subscribe to the service pretty cool service there we go but anyways all of that isn't for for personal benefit stuff i i don't subscribe to basically any of those platforms and the reason why i don't is because i don't like not owning my stuff sure flow plane uh if the creator decides you can download the content i'm gonna be honest with you i have a netflix subscription and maybe this won't be a popular take with some people i just shamelessly download any netflix shows and i put them on my plex yeah cool i pay my premium subscription every month they are not getting their like viewer tracking from me which is part of the value for them um i thought their download thing like downloaded it into a like closed version of the is there oh i don't use that okay got it yep all right yeah yeah so i just i shamelessly pirate the netflix shows that i give them money for nice so i just don't i don't care at that point and like yeah i know that i'm only subscribing

54:03nah like that that that's the point where i'm just like i'm good with it yeah um same for amazon i'll download an amazon show without one moment's hesitation i have a prime subscription um i'm i'm not proud to have a prime subscription these days yeah sure like honestly um but sometimes it's it's very convenient i do go out of my way i remember talking to you about this a while back before i buy something on Amazon, I will search and I'll try to find it elsewhere. Like I needed to buy some rollerblade wheels. I got trapped this holiday season. I paid$80 in shipping to buy rollerblade wheels, but the craziest part is to get quality wheels on Amazon was like impossible anyway.

54:45Yeah. So I did search both and I was just like, you know what? No, this is why I search other sites. Because I want a quality product and because I wanted to support someone other than Amazon. that's shipping fact that i'm paying 80 in shipping did it come from europe or something no shipping's just really expensive for small businesses that's something that a lot of people don't realize anymore because amazon completely changed people's perception of what shipping costs nuts yeah it is crazy i i got i got trapped i had to buy something off amazon recently i like i'm not trying to project you guys do whatever you want i try to really like basically never shot from Amazon.

55:28There was a Christmas list thing and it included an item that is sold literally only on Amazon. Really? You can't buy it directly from the company. A Kindle? You can't buy it. It was a specific book. Oh. You can't buy it directly from the publisher or something. You can't. No other bookstore had it. It was wild. Rare. I tried to buy it from like Indigo. They listed it on their site but it was zero in any store and zero online huh so it was like okay neat i just i can't i i asked like i called a couple local bookstores nobody had it i think it's just like not a super well-known book what is it a good book i have no idea not for me right yeah yeah not a single clue never heard of it before um hopefully it was asked for but yeah so I just Amazon was the publisher no not quite but I yeah I couldn't get anywhere else so I was like okay well that's rough yeah he gave money to daddy Bezos I did he is now part of the solution to putting a penis rocket into orbit not much of the solution but you're part of it part of it one of us one of us just the tip I didn't

56:51exactly i tried i tried to like i don't know i didn't want to make my little crusade against doing that break the bonds of earth to touch the tip of god

57:04there's that you know that like uh but they like reach past give a little tickle you know humanity is truly lost not only not only are we like limp arming and not really trying but instead we're reaching back yeah we won't properly reach out to touch the the hand but we know yeah wash it first oh man but late at night and then a little light spooning after

57:39no but you seem to really love Jesus I don't even remember who it is but the guy like just partially holding his hand out like enables private browsing

57:54alright anyways we're supposed to explain merch messages hey if you don't know what merch messages are they're the way to interact with the WAN show We do not want you guys just throwing money at your screen. We want to work for you to throw money at your screen. We want to give you something of value in return. And what did we come up with this week? Oh, boy. Did we ever come up with something? Luke, do you want to fire up the site? Sure. Oh, right. I was going to explain. So if you're going to throw money at your screen during the WAN show, you do it with a merch message. You add something to your cart.

58:31Here, I'll show you how to do it. There's just so much going on. You add something to your cart. Sorry, one sec. There's just so much going on. And then you'll see the merch message interface. We are live. You can leave a merch message. It could look like whatever you want. Something like this. You set a color. You set whether you want to make your name appear. You want it to be anonymous. And then you go ahead and place your order for whatever it is that tickles your fancy. Then it will go to producer Dan. Who is, oh, who is joined today. It'll go to producer... Oh, sorry, I missed you. There it goes.

59:04Go ahead. Oh, no, I got you again. There we go. It'll go to producer Dan, who will pop it up down here or reply to it or who will curate it for me and Luke to respond to. We're going to show you what that looks like in a second, but first, let's talk about something you might want to pick up with your merch message. We just launched our Cats vs. Gamers collection and they are way too fun. Our new underwear prints are here. with the Pixel Perfect set featuring a Pixel Perfect print, a solid turquoise, and a cat paws pattern. Can you get me a close-up on that? Yeah. Oh, isn't it so cute? Look at all the little kitties.

59:46Can you maybe go closer, Luke? Maybe give it the old zoom? They've got the paw prints, and there's little kitties on computers. They're so cute. We also have the Game On set, which features a... Hold on. A game on print. A solid black and a throwback arcade design. If you haven't tried our underwear yet, they are super comfy thanks to a Modal rayon blend that is soft, silky, breathable, and stretchy enough for all day wear. Thank goodness, because if you only wore your underwear for part of the day, you're too much of a Chad. Just too much. You might as well just go commando full time. It's that much of a concern that you just don't need your underwear all day, then why even bother?

1:00:33But that's not all. We're also launching matching onesies. I'm going back to your laptop. Yep. How cute are those? They're made with a model cotton fabric that feels like having a fully legitimate reason to stay in your pajamas all day. You can shop the Cat Gamers Collection at lmg.gg slash catgamer. Oh, whoa, what? oh we've got another big ltt store announcement while the site's been buzzing with black friday cyber monday and holiday loot drop shoppers our mailbox has been buzzing too uh we've been receiving your holiday loot drop mail-in entries and some of them are interesting i have seen this it says do not show the address which totally makes sense I suggested we show this on the show Hold on, I just gotta Okay, there we go Are you able to bring that up, Dan?

1:01:36Do you have the picture?

1:01:44Oh Yeah Uh Wow That is Something

1:02:00So that was that was one of the contest entries

1:02:07Which you now own I think I think that's how that works. oh joy

1:02:19oh my goodness that's right up there with weirdest things i've seen today today yeah i was gonna say all time it's honestly yeah no it's not the way i mean it's not most of all i've sent you worse things in the last week yeah actually yeah yeah yeah yeah it took me a second but definitely uh wow um i'm almost afraid to open this other one this wait this one i don't think has been opened oh oh hold on uh oh yeah this is just this is just the envelope for that okay um anyway so for context there was a way to enter the holiday loot drop with no purchase necessary. That's a legal requirement in Canada.

1:03:10See you later. And so that was something that was sent to us. Okay. Wow. Anyway, speaking of loot drops and deals, we're doing a few bonus deals before the year ends. Oh, cool. Is this like on, is there somewhere you can go? Oh, lmg.gg slash bundle up. So you can go there. For our U.S. customers, from now until December 17th, when you buy a commuter backpack, you'll get a free Elgato Stream Deck Mark II or Sennheiser 560S headphones. Your choice. That's$150 plus of savings. Also, if you buy an LTT backpack, you'll get a SteelSeries Apex Pro 10 keyless keyboard for free. that's$179 of savings there are a few more great bundles that you guys can check out here, we've got a CPU fidget spinner plus Corsair Thunderbolt 3 dock for $99.99, alright MCM starter solution plus an M75 Air Ultralight Wireless Gaming Mouse for$80 we've got the WAN backpack with SteelSeries Arctis Nova 4X bundle for$249 which is basically getting those headphones for free Global customers, bad news.

1:04:32Y 'all really took advantage of our free shipping, so we don't really have any bundles, but what we do have is a bit more stock of our RetroMonitor Pet Cave, so we're running that for just$29.99. That is$40 of savings. We also have our MCM Essentials Kit, so our Magnetic Cable Management Essentials Kit for$80, which is$100 off. This is a great time to get into MCM. and we also have the Razer Death Adder Essential in White for$20. That is over 50 % off. So there's lots of value. Do you want to bring those up? I've got a couple. There isn't a bundle page for it. Hold on. Hold on. It's not a free Elgato Stream Deck or Sennheiser headphone for the U.S.

1:05:13site. It's a bundle price. Additional$50 only for the item. That's a thing. So, okay. Thanks, Artie. Cool. Good chat. Lots of value packed in there. I hope you snagged something cool for you or your friends and family. So hold on. Oh, sorry. there you go it's just it's not a collection wow we're really just selling just a mouse for 20 bucks wow i mean it's good price what do you want wow cool we're really good chat all right yep uh well we had them for a bundle at some point i think okay but right now we have mice right so neat so kitties go get the mice because we're doing the cats gamers he's calling you all cats.

1:05:55Well, I mean, they're cool cats. Oh, wow. They're so cool. They're five times cool. They're cat five. You know what? It doesn't matter. We also hate Mondays. Yeah. It is Monday, right? I'm pretty sure it's Monday. It's been Monday for a decade. It's been Monday for a decade. You're just describing your 30s, Dan. Oh, no. how did you know i was 64 oh no all right do you want a couple merch messages uh i do i do hit me with a couple merch messages okay linus luke or dan what is the benefit of using the corsair thunderbolt 3 dock over a usb-c hub that has the same ports not much um actually hold on hold on hold on um thunderbolt can do it is a little different yeah yeah so thunderbolt can daisy chain which is pretty cool um thunderbolt um can have more bandwidth available to it um which is also pretty cool um i'm not 100 sure which is that a thunderbolt 3 dock i think it's thunderbolt 3 so i don't know if it supports the uh the like the the boosted um downstream upstream whichever stream is out of the computer to run more monitors but that is a benefit of Thunderbolt.

1:07:26Thunderbolt is also connected to PCIe so you can connect devices that require Thunderbolt rather than ones that run through just a USB controller so running things like eGPUs for instance. Now it is worth noting that that's not super relevant for hub use because you wouldn't want to run an eGPU at the end of a Thunderbolt daisy chain because it's not going to get the full bandwidth. You're not going to get the full benefit. But Thunderbolt and USB 4 are not quite the same thing as just a USB-C, USB 3 port. They do have some special functionality. Yeah, it is nicer. I don't know if you'll end up using the benefits, but I mean, if you're buying...

1:08:10holy this dock is worth a lot of money my goodness what the heck oh of course their site it's yeah but that's let's be real it's out of stock so is that just like that's pricing that was just never updated after this was eol probably it was eol okay yeah so they were trying to flip the rest of their stock so to be clear it's worth somewhere in between zero dollars and that much but it's just a lot for a dock but it's a nice thunderbolt i'm not saying like oh my god you're getting a crazy deal i'm just saying it's a lot for a doc bad docs i don't know if this doc is necessarily good or not but bad docs can be really annoying i'll say that much yep yeah this one this one seems fine we've actually bundled this doc before and we've had perfectly good feedback on it's a cromulent thunderbolt doc nice right what else have you got utrals says is there no bundles for the global site.

1:09:02So this is the whole thing. You know how our certain customers in certain regions have asked us many times, very calmly and quietly, why do you not have a distribution center in our region to lower our shipping costs? It's because there is a lot of cost and a lot of overhead involved in having multiple distribution centers and a lot of just administrative burden. And this is one of the things that i'm talking about because absolutely nailing your stock distribution when you order in is practically impossible that thing that he just said and you guys had a better deal realistically during the black friday sales where it was a hundred dollar threshold but it was a hundred dollar threshold for the canadian site or the american site yeah meaning the american sites threshold for three free shipping was effectively a hundred us dollars yeah this is a hundred canadian dollars which is very different so what we discovered was that um global sales go burr when there's free shipping when there's free shipping at such a low threshold i don't know that we will do a low threshold like that again uh because the global site vastly outperformed our our expectations for the mix compared to the U.S.

1:10:25site. I think it's also a factor that the U.S. market is a little bit challenging right now. I've heard scuttlebutt that it was a relatively slow Black Friday period in the U.S. this year, which totally makes sense given that... it i've heard that there was less sales volume but technically more sales dollars our margin was higher yes um it sounds like margins are up overall sales volume is down it's almost like all of these things that we've been talking about for the last little while are just kind of true yep uh where it's a it's a small slice of the american consumer and that small slice isn't going to care as much about the like you know stampede over each other and have deaths trying to get into best buy type of sales they're just going to buy luxury stuff that they want yes at and they might have just been waiting because i don't know a good deal is cool but like yeah it's not the same we don't have the same level of black fridays that we used to have it's just it's kind of a fact oh speaking of there was a cool little piece of news that i'm not sure if Yeah.

1:11:41Oh, oh, this is so sick. New York introduces a new algorithmic pricing act. We never did any merch messages, Dan. What? You did one. We did one. Did we? Oh, okay, cool. All right, sure. Let's move on. We'll do more merch messages later. We'll do more later. New York Attorney General Letitia James has issued a statewide consumer alert following the rollout of the Algorithmic Pricing Disclosure Act, which is now in effect. The law requires most businesses using algorithmic or surveillance pricing to clearly disclose when a price is being set using a customer's personal data. Companies that fail to do so can face penalties of$1 ,000 per violation.

1:12:29This is awesome. Very cool. Based even. Yes. algorithm pricing systems if you're not familiar with them adjust prices based on factors like location income browsing behavior and past purchases meaning that two customers may be charged different amounts for exactly the same product the attorney general is urging new yorkers to compare prices across devices accounts and locations hey now's a perfect time to shout out our VPN partner, PIA. You'll find a link to them down below. And file complaints if disclosures are missing. Affected businesses are now required to display the statement, this price was set by an algorithm using your personal data.

1:13:16This is a step in the right direction. Or, hear me out, what if we just don't have algorithmic pricing? could we make our way could we make our way there would geographically set pricing count as that because are they pulling in your location does that count as that because that has often been praised yeah no well hold on yeah yeah hold on let's back up let's back up a second here there's always there's always unintended consequences and the last thing that i want is for someone from Turkmenistan to all of a sudden not be able to afford any of the services they use because they have to like pay in us dollars or whatever that's not that is not what i want um okay and i don't think it's quite as simple as just setting uh you know having a different domain that is just like cheaper because then everyone will buy it just use it so you need to grab some amount of that okay okay but but okay but it's clear that there's elements of algorithmic pricing that they just shouldn't be using.

1:14:25Why do you need my income? Yeah, and they do that. Yeah, you don't need that to set a price. The price should be the price.

1:14:40We'll see. We'll see how it goes. In general, it seems like a cool idea. Yeah, I mean, at least if nothing else, this is a start. This is awareness. Yeah. raising awareness for how your data is being used i'm just i'm just worried that if it ends up on literally everything or not quite okay relax not quite literally everything but close to everything um i'm a little bit worried that people will just become numb to it because it's on everything because it also includes geos yes i'm i'm worried it's i would like this to really go after things like where it's taking in your income or how frantic you might be for trying to book a flight or knowing because of email scraping or some junk like that or data sharing that there's a funeral that you have to go to.

1:15:35So you're probably not going to miss that flight so they can upcharge you, whatever. This is a thing that they do. I would like it to be able to focus on stuff like that. I would like the threshold to be a little bit up. just so that we don't become desensitized like as you said we a lot of people have with cookies the wudo of what in flow plane chat says how the fuck can they even know about my income well that's why i think this is so based because all of a sudden it's going to make you ask that and there's so many ways like i don't know how careful you are about the way that you post online maybe maybe you're super careful but something as simple credit card company might sell your data uploading well okay that too but okay let's and your bank and your insurance company and everything else i mean yeah credit score would be one that company that you used to send out rsvps for your wedding might sell that data so people can tell these sites can tell if you're going to a wedding or not.

1:16:44Um, there's like that type of stuff all over the place. Yeah. Your data has value. You, you all know that your data has value, but this is one of the ways that your data has. And we can even quantify it. We can actually quantify how much value your data has by just looking at products that have an ad supported version and then have a, no, you just pay for this version or like a data supported version rather. Um, so like Facebook for instance has in the in the eu they have paid versions of their accounts so you you can you can quantify like exactly how much the average person's data is worth i mean we saw with the uh with the was it the meta quest 2 or the one was the first one that had a non-facebook account version that was like double the price or whatever it worked out to like the the ad subsidy that goes into products is more than you would more than most people would think yeah i think i mean there's there's that classic story people in full planchette pointed out but we've talked about this on wayne show before target figured out that a girl was pregnant before like a high school age girl was pregnant before her dad did really yeah because of like shopping habits and credit card spending and stuff i mean was it as simple as like buying pregnancy tests or like don't well that doesn't say that you're pregnant right i mean if you bought like five it might yes um but i'm not sure exactly what it was but something along those lines funky shark 88 says and yet companies floated by just fine without the need to sell this vitamins apparently in decades gone by um yeah yeah yeah they did i mean i um makes i i remembered it being before she knew herself as well but i just looked it up and everything says it was her dad so i think we're i think we're just uh remembering correctly mandela affecting ourselves i think so yeah um yeah i don't know ltt store manages to exist just fine without selling company or company without selling customer data um i i i don't really i don't really see why this has to be done either there are industries that i do understand why they've moved that way um i don't like it i hate it in fact um the airline industry is one for instance that has been under a lot of self-imposed pressure to to grow in volume and therefore has made a lot of questionable decisions to to maintain profits um like i don't know it's i was talking to yvonne about this the other day like when we were kids both of us like our families growing up we had like two vacations our entire childhoods that were like fly somewhere three i think i think i was i was at three and like i don't know talking to other parents at the school man there's families that like go somewhere every year yearly yeah like they fly somewhere every year yeah and yeah that wasn't us either yeah i that like wasn't that i don't think that was a thing when we were kids yeah i don't think so and so in order to and so coming back to what i was saying about how when you build the capacity you like kind of have to use it um so if the if the value of the seat goes down, then you have to squeeze other places in order to maintain your profit.

1:20:24I think they've done to themselves this race to zero. Dude, I was at the, this is only tangentially related, but I was at the airport, uh, LAX and my gate. So from, from security all the way through to the end of the walkable area, I checked every single store that sold bottles of water. every single one of them only had the really expensive like fancy like path or whatever like the the metal bottles or fiji no not even what really they only had metal bottles there literally wasn't a single like cheaper plastic bottle thing and these are like really expensive like more expensive than all of the other drinks there bottles of water and it was every single store in the entire wing or whatever it's called.

1:21:18It was brutal. It was really brutal. I'm trying to find a picture right now. If you wanted water, you were just screwed. I took a picture of a sandwich that I refused to buy on a recent trip because I was just so, I was like. Like offended by the price? Legitimately so upset by the price of it that on my way out of the store, I like made a comment to another customer. just because I needed someone to talk to about how ludicrous this price was. I don't know if I'm going to be able to find it. But I was just like, I would rather, look, and I'm not going to pretend. Let's make this abundantly clear.

1:21:59I'm not going to pretend that I couldn't afford to buy it. I could, but I wouldn't. people in full plane chat are talking about how there was a uh here it is there's a dude who bought something in cash at walmart and he got an email later on asking to review it because they use like biometric camera data stuff oh my god yeah shoot did i not i didn't there's a class action lawsuit from 2022 of walmart uh collecting storing and using customer biometric data uh dang dan i'm gonna send this to you it wasn't a sandwich i uh i misremembered it and unfortunately i didn't write down the price what i do know was that it was over 10 us dollars um yeah someone in full point chat said now that walmart cash transaction is bs yeah i can't find like real facts on it i just found like someone's like selfie video i don't okay dan throw this up doesn't necessarily mean much so by the time i converted to canadian i was basically going to be like eating quarters essentially so what do you got what it came out to a carrot yeah you've got some carrot slices yeah some cucumber a little bit of ranch dressing so this was at sea tech uh seattle airport and i just i just i wanted some i wanted like some vegetables because when you travel i don't know what it is but i just i have a hard time finding like no i absolutely agree because you're always eating out and like when i was at defcon i tried to stop at a little corner store to get some a little like fruit and vegetables little thing because i was like oh my god it's just garbage everywhere basically yeah and the cashier warned me he was like you probably don't want to buy that i was like why and he's like uh like because there's no pricing on really anything he's like i don't remember what it was but it was something like i was actually somewhat stunned at how i don't remember how much it was i wish it did but he I was I like thanked him and put it back and was like yeah I mean yeah that is too much I refused to buy it it's just like I I'm not gonna like I I've I've never really been able to get get over the like how much because I I don't know I don't know I just have a busy brain and so I'm always doing the math of like how much per when I'm when I'm doing something sure so like paintball i i really i really struggled when i played at like the commercial fields because i'd be like nickel nickel nickel quarter dollar dollar yeah you know i missed all of those it cost me a dollar to do nothing yeah like i just cost me a dollar to give my position away yeah right exactly what a terrible value and so I then you get mad at the other people because it cost me three dollars to cover you and you just ran out and got shot yeah way to go I mean I wasn't that toxic about it but it's just it's something that's in the back of my mind it's distracting whereas when I just play like woods ball like outlaw ball then it's like whatever right you just you bring an entire case of paint and you're down to like you know a penny or two for for each round easier to ignore yeah it's easier to not have to think about i just don't want to have to think about it you know i want to enjoy the game and i can't enjoy that veggie platter when i'm going how much was it sorry quarter you know i it was it was like nine or ten us dollars or something like that so it's like 15 bucks canadian by the time i converted it because i just it's just offensive yeah just or 14 or 13 or something like that just just offensive um jhcom asks how about fireworks honestly exactly the same thing i love fireworks they're so cool and we in my children's lifetime they have had a home fireworks display a modest one very small one time so that they can remember that we did fireworks one time it's also like a major pain in the butt because of all the regulations around there are a lot yeah and also the cost so it's a pain in the butt and it's expensive we did it one time and hopefully they remember it because i don't think we're gonna do it again because it was like 200 and we burned through all of it in like i don't know 15 minutes or something like that it was like the the lowest the lowest value per hour thing that we probably did that year or the highest value per hour thing we did that year and there's there's a like kind of block party thing that happens for halloween somewhere that i know and they're in like a bed it's not actually a cul-de-sac but it's a little like kind of loop thing um and they fire off fireworks like basically all night like they start at like i don't know probably six or seven and they go until probably at least 11 and it's not it's not extremely high rate but it is constant and i have thought before of like dang i think there's probably a few people contributing to this but dang like you said 15 minutes and you're literally burning money and exploding it yeah thank you for that did we did we start a topic what are we i don't know i was going to ask well i think uh i think that was algorithmic price you know what else has exploded is intel's gpu market share let's go According to TechSpot and John Petty Research, Q3 saw both AMD and Intel expand their shares of the discrete GPU market, with AMD increasing to 7%, and Intel reaching a milestone 1%.

1:28:13Yeah! Dan's getting in on the action! It might be rounded up. It might be like.6. Well, listen. I don't know, but not being zero is cool because we need competition. It might not be a card for you now, but it might be in the future, and that's the cool part. NVIDIA, meanwhile, has suffered a drop in their market share to 92%. Oh, no. Oh, no. Poor NVIDIA. However will Jensen afford his leather jackets now? He probably doesn't even want that 92%. He probably just feels obligated at this point. Well, everyone expects this of me. I saw an interview of him recently that he's like, yeah, I work seven days a week because I fear bankruptcy.

1:28:58I mean, if I was at the sort of arrow tip of a bubble headed towards the popping of a bubble, I'd probably be worried about that too. But I don't think bankruptcy is ever going to be a concern, Mr. Huang. I think that it's more just like not being, you know, one of the handful of richest people in the world is at stake here. Anywho, data center GPU board sales are up an average of 145.5 % compared to Q2. So those are doing fine, just fine. And NVIDIA's market share in that space might be even higher. I remember chatting with the guys at SFU, and they wouldn't confirm this. I'm not going to put any words in their mouths, okay?

1:29:45But my speculation, they had one machine with AMD instinct in it. One. And my speculation as to why they had that one machine, because at that point you might think, why bother, right? Yeah. My speculation was so that you can point at that one, that in the background you're kind of beavering away, seeing if you can do stuff on, and so you can make a little bit of progress on that so that whenever it's time to buy the real GPUs you actually want, you can point at that and go, okay, but we could also run it on this, so make sure that your price is competitive with this. that's as far as I can tell the only reason they even have it.

1:30:31Because they're doing all the real work, as far as I can tell, they wouldn't confirm this, on NVIDIA. Dang. But hey, this ties in nicely to our next topic, which is, can you buy an Intel Arc B580 for MSRP? The answer is yes! You can even get an Intel Holiday Bundle with purchase. Limited offer. What is the Intel Holiday Bundle? Let's find out. I don't know. Is it the same as last time? Where is it? What's the Holiday Bundle? Can you just click on it? You butts. Can you click on it? No, I can't. I'm trying to click on it. No, not there. Down a little bit. Below the blue box. Right here? Oh, Intel Holiday Bundle.

1:31:12Here it is. Whoa, whoa, whoa. It's Battlefield 6. It's a bunch of stuff. Oh, you can get one of four games. Okay, cool. Dying Light the Beast, Assassin's Creed Shadows, Civ 7, and Battlefield 6. What are the other things? It's live. The promo end date. January 31st, 2026. Let's go. Pick those games. Bonus content. Yeah, whatever. Who cares about any of this? It's in-game garbage. Yeah, don't worry about it. But this, you can pick one of these. Nice. That's pretty cool. Intel Holiday Bundle. I think this is the same one they had before. Yeah, but it wasn't running for a bit. Yeah, so it's back.

1:31:41Well, no, if you look at the dates, maybe they just pulled it off the site. They might have run out of coupons or something. Maybe. Because you know Intel has to pay for this, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the thing a lot of gamers might not necessarily have realized back in the day. Like I remember having to admin these programs when we'd sell a GeForce GPU or Radeon GPU or whatever and you get like a coupon with a Metro Exodus or whatever, Metro 2033 code or whatever, is that they buy copies of the games. So you can run out of how many they bought. So they may have run short, they may have restocked.

1:32:19I don't know, because I remember we did this one week and it was running in Canada and it like wasn't running on Newegg or something. So, oh, right. What's our affiliate code? Just in case. Does anyone remember? I don't remember. Jawajuice in Full Plane Chat said, Pro tip, don't pick Civ 7. Budan in Full Plane Chat said, Zero out of 10 game. I would also throw my hat in the ring. As a genuinely lifelong Civ fan, I would avoid it. At least for now. My brother told me it sucks. He's like a big Civ guy. Dude, it is not good. Okay. If Sean says it's bad, then it's bad. That's true. He's got like 10 ,000 hours.

1:32:55His hours in Civ got so high that in Steam it rolled over and he went back down to zero and then kept going up. And he does not like Civ 7. It doesn't display five digits. My brother was like super not into that you can't just stay Genghis Khan the whole time. I knew exactly what he was going to say because that is garbage. I also don't I think What a bad decision I think they got rid of One more turn as well So it just kind of ends Like you can't just keep I didn't even know that part Because I played exactly one campaign And when it ended I quit immediately Because I committed to doing it one time And then Wow There were so many Fundamental Bad This was the first Every time You know Civ comes out And when you first get it It's not going to be that great And then the expansions Tend to make it really good That's what it happens like Every time Civ 7 I don't think they can save it.

1:33:48I think it is fundamentally flawed as a game. Which sucks, because there are a couple good ideas in there. It's lmg.gg slash Newegg, if you guys want to pick up a B580. That makes sense. That's pretty easy. We should remember that. I know, I keep forgetting. Me too. Anyway, the point is, you can pick up an Onyx Lumi Arc B580, 12 gig. Remember, 12 gigs VRAM, that's going to matter. $249.99. It is worth noting that these are a Gen 4x8 interface. So if you do not have a Gen 4 board and it doesn't support rebar, I would not recommend a B580. Because if you have a Gen 3 board, you'll only be getting Gen 4x4 equivalent bandwidth.

1:34:32And that's where you start maybe running into a little bit of trouble. And if you don't have rebar, you're going to have a pretty bad time. Resizable bar. Just check your BIOS. Make sure it supports it. You can also get an ASRock Challenger Arc. That also qualifies for the Holiday Bundle, so you can get Battlefield 6 or some other games, but probably Battlefield 6. You can also get the Intel First Party Card for$249.99. That also has the Holiday Bundle. Lots and lots of options for ARC-B580s for$249.99 MSRP. seriously though now is the time because DRAM price increases are going to impact everything that has a DRAM chip in it and that includes GPUs I think the new year is going to be a serious hangover for GPU sales when pricing starts to increase again just for a point of clarification I don't know what matters that much we're not a game review thing but whatever Jabodews said You can keep the leader, but the Civ changes so you could still play as Genghis Khan But you become the leader of a different civilization that does sound correct.

1:35:39That's even dumber. It's very stupid Sorry, I haven't played it. So I was just going based on my brother We went to visit him a little while back and he was just like going off about like what a piece of shit It also like wipes all your troops and like spawns and stuff when the like age changes. It's very very weird It's super, super weird. I haven't really played a Civ game since Civ 2. They've all operated on the same kind of idea basically the whole time. That Great Wall of China early is OP so that nobody can start a war with you. Then you go get Leonardo's Workshop so that all your crap garbage tier phalanxes or whatever that you build will become like Rifleman.

1:36:24And then you go hard into science and then you win. that's all I know things have changed a little bit since yeah see there you go but yeah it was this was like the biggest change I would say in the Civ line was Civ 7 and a lot of the some of the change was kind of cool a lot of the change was really bad Java says hey you can sail through rivers so it's all worth it alright that part is kind of neat alright cool yeah I mean I could see that being not worth the downsides I could see that being kind of cool that'd be cool you can sail in rivers right yeah I was very frustrated but it is what it is oops oh shoot I just open up the last tab I closed they need Luigi back dude they need I forgot that was my conclusion but it was they need Luigi back like that Luigi?

1:37:28Yeah, that's right. He worked on Civ and he did UX stuff. And the UX in Civ 7 is really bad. He could do UX design from prison, right? They should let him do that. It might help. It might save that company. If there was a Luigi expansion to Civ 7. If he kills one company but saves another, does he go net neutral? Does it work that way? Does it come out in the wash? I think in this case he's definitely in a positive I am not taking a stance on that That's fine Anyways, yeah, let him Let him work from prison Let him fix Let him fix That would be awesome It sounds a lot like 6-7, the kids will get behind it Yeah Yeah, I mean Wow, yeah We can move on All right, cool.

1:38:26Yeah, that's probably good. How is his case going anyway? I'm sure the kids are keeping up with it. Hopefully well. Wow, that's crazy. He's actually the first autocomplete for Luigi. Not like, you know, that Luigi. Here, yeah, update. Update is one of my autocompletes. Okay, pretrial hearing postponed due to illness. Okay, so that's the... um oh video shows luigi saying he didn't want to talk police kept asking questions interesting i think that's how that goes yeah i think that's pretty normal but if they can make the argument that he was like coerced in some way um and that very good violated his his rights or whatever then i mean we all know that it's at this point or not at this point we all know that in many cases it's not about whether the person did it oh yeah yeah it's about whether they can find a loophole right judicial not justice yeah you know the the glove defense yeah um anyways uh ioneo's next two has a massive battery this is hilarious ioneo who are known for making windows handheld gaming devices announced their next two powered by the amd ryzen ai max plus 395 which is a really long name and draws 85 watts features a 9.06 inch screen 165 hertz to 2400 by 1504 OLED screen and probably the craziest spec is the 115 watt hour battery.

1:40:16That is literally so big that I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to take it on a plane. This battery size means that most airlines will require approval in order to allow that device to be brought on as a checked. Oh, well, you don't put batteries in your checked anyways. No, forget checked. I don't think you could even bring this item i'm pretty sure they mean cabin item uh there is no pricing yet or full spec sheet but i and neo stated that they will reveal more soon oh sorry about that i can i can turn that off um sorry yeah it is a unified doorbell don't worry about it that's one of the reasons my my laptop has two batteries in it instead of one giant battery because two batteries is not one battery and therefore it is below the limit that you can take on a plane if you total all the battery banks that i carry in my bag i'm way above oh yeah yeah so if they had put two giant batteries in it you would be fine but it's not it's not about that it's about how much energy is in like that one it's like it's it's kind of like you could bring you know a hundred fire crackers in your car but one grenade is a bigger problem if that makes sense is is like it is a function of just like how much energy and stuff uh will set off lithium batteries really fast but does does another thing on fire i believe it doesn't help yeah yeah because it's it's it's reaching the thermal runaway point is where you where you run into trouble um uh another oh shoot i was thinking there was something i was gonna say too about oh yeah another major factor that i didn't think about until i had to research this because i got my battery bank confiscated on that last trip to china but the actual state of charge matters a bunch which makes sense yeah it does if you think about it i'm surprised they're willing to even bother no they're not but i just i was i was just learning about it i understand um and i didn't realize that it's way safer to travel with your batteries discharged which totally totally makes sense it does because there's like way less energy in it yeah um but i just i never thought about that before yeah me either yeah uh you said something dan full plane announce i think we already did yeah i think i think we did that it's just funny it has a giant battery in it so you can't take it on the plane unless you had a gamer plane then maybe you could the only justification you'd need is so that I can game I'm going to game hard and long and fast and strong because my poor forearms I've been using the GPD Win 5 lately and i have found that it actually makes me want to game less how much does it weigh inside of it uh it's like a good couple pounds gpd win five wait let's see what the ai says uh varies depending on whether the external battery is attached um with the external the total weight is about a kilo yeah just over two pounds according to ai but that does sound about right it's redonkulous like i actually find myself because i'm i'm supposed to be using it for a review and i might just give up because i i go to my nightstand and i have my original rog ally with the battery mod so it's already a bit on the heavier side because i did the like the modded bigger battery in it i i have not upgraded to the x i um you just not care yeah yeah it's faster but when i like if when i finally play clear obscure or something then i might like when i play a game that actually demands more gpu yeah then i might but lately the vast majority of my hours of handheld gaming have been final fantasy tactics a playstation one game and tape to tape which is barely even 3d yeah so i just don't need it uh so i've still been using my first gen ally like if they bring me a better display or something like come on man do something that matters to me and i'll upgrade it it's just i don't even because like i could just grab one from the warehouse but it's not even worth just like resetting up windows and downloading my games for the difference that it would make in gameplay to me right now so anyway so anyway the point is in my nightstand i've got my i've got my rg ally and then i've got the gpd win 5 right now and so two just bricks and I just I just am like I could grab that and I could use it and then I could make notes for the review or I could just enjoy playing my games more I feel like noting the amount of times that that happens is part of the review yeah like if you're like I very consistently chose a lighter option 50 % of the time.

1:45:32You know what, though? I haven't, because it's kind of a pain. It's like a screw-type mechanism. You can hook up the battery on a tether. So I haven't bothered hooking it up like that yet, because it's kind of stupid. And it's just like, it is another level of the inconvenience. Like, now I have weight and inconvenience. But what I'm going to do is I was going to use it with the pack attached to the back for a while, and see how I feel about that. And then try the tether. And then I was going to move to the tether and then see if that changes my habits. It feels kind of like 90s sick to have an external battery pack.

1:46:11The 90s was objectively a terrible time for battery-powered mobile electronics. No, it wasn't. It was awesome. Remember when you had to put like four double A's into the handle of a digital camera? Like that was not good. It was awesome. That was bad. And that was the 2000s man. I remember I remember this RC car that I had No, I've talked about that on the WAN show before I even found a picture of it Monster six by six RC car or something like that. Where is it? Where is it? There's like there's this Thing that's like the 90s and very early 2000s was a point in time where technology was like awesome and made your life better But it wasn't like so good or all-consuming that it also attempted to ruin your life and i i embrace that a lot i think part of like batteries being kind of bad is like yeah your thing dies and then you probably want to go do something else which is like potentially a good thing man i can't find it again but i it was like this like six wheel rc car here at 90s let's try oh yeah here it is yeah yeah yeah yeah this thing this this piece of shit took oh i pressed the wrong thing whoops what is this someone like the point is this piece of garbage took like 12 AA batteries or something like that.

1:47:27Hell yeah. And the rechargeables that we had back then were not very good, so they didn't last very long. And even disposables barely lasted in this thing. Metro Scorcher. 6x6. Fastest turbo 360 degree spins ever. And also only the middle wheels drove. That's why it could spin really well. Man, where's the... This might be a later version of it, because mine definitely took AA batteries. I miss everything being turbo. I like turbo. Turbo's a good word. Turbo-tastic. Anyway, I also had one of these. Ricochet RC car. This thing ran for like, I want to say, or did I have... I had either the ricochet or the rebound.

1:48:17This thing was super cool, because it could flip over and then you could keep driving it as long as you could do it backwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool. There's some finesse in that. Yeah, it ran for like six minutes. Hell yeah. On battery. It was so dumb. Hell yeah. 90s battery-powered electronics were objectively terrible and I will die on that hill. Nope. I will die on that hill. Disagree. I'm dead now then because realistically I wasn't going to win a fight between us. way to go Luke you killed me mark this day in your calendar folks this is the anniversary of my death

1:48:58speaking of things that make me want to die uh no note 60 million yen human washing machine revealed uh this is so funny which by the way 60 million yen is $386 ,759.94 in USD. It's like a shower that you sit slash lay down in. I low-key love the name of this company, though. They're just called Science. That's kind of awesome. Yeah, I do give them that. That is sick. Luke, hear me out. No. This Mirai... No, just open-minded for a second. Okay, look. Okay, open-minded. Brain is open. Open mind. Don't worry about this. Don't worry. Just be brain open. Okay. The Mirai human washing machine. Okay.

1:49:47Can shower and dry a person simply by them lying down in it in about 15 minutes. Which there is some like excessive. Oh man, that's not even fast. I know, right? I'm pretty sure I showered faster than that this morning. That is the very first paragraph of this article on the Chosun. If you just focus on the task at hand, you can just do that faster in a normal shower. Is this supposed to be impressive that you can shower in 15 minutes? There is potentially some accessibility coolness in this. Sure, and the way it does it is cool. It almost sounds like an ultrasonic cleaner or something. Apparently, it uses ultrafine micro-bubbles invisible to the naked eye to penetrate deep into the pores to remove impurities such as dead skin cells and sebum.

1:50:40Sure. Sensors installed on the back detect health status. And videos and music are played to help users relax during the cleansing process. Yeah, see, I just turn the volume of my phone up and leave it outside of the shower. Well, yeah, you could do that. You could do that. Yeah. To be clear, this is not a real product. They're making like a few dozen of them. and it's for like, it's meant to be a novelty item for commercial installations. I do know like, you know, old folks homes or limited mobility people, et cetera. Showering can be a... This would not be the right form factor for that though.

1:51:17Like, I don't know if you've ever seen like a senior's bath. Yeah, they need like the little door. Yeah, you have a door and you like sit. This looks like you have to climb into it. Yeah, so this is like... I do like the idea of like a automated human water washing thing because I do know that it can, it can be like, uh, man, I don't even really want to say it, but it can be like embarrassing for, for people to have to be like washed by someone else. Steven J says that clean time is the equivalent of saying this computer will boot in just the time it takes for you to eat breakfast. It's like, yeah, like if I'm in a hurry, I can be in and out of the shower in about three minutes.

1:51:52I know this from my years in high school of getting up at the last possible second. What are your, what are your, if you're going down to three minutes, you're, you're probably giving something up. So what are you doing? At three minutes, I'm not conditioning. I'll tell you that much. And I'm probably using shampoo for body watch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so I, so yeah, it's going down to hard requirements. We're down to one soap. Yeah. And no conditioner. Yeah. And, and then are you, are you like lathering in the hair and then like taking that and going elsewhere? No, you've got time to squirt, you've got time to squirt another pump before, before you do the pits and the elsewhere.

1:52:26squares there's there's no way you're doing like a full body lather at that speed though yeah but i would throw in feet you got to do you kind of got to do your feet you got to do feet yeah yeah there's no way to skip the feet yeah

1:52:42good good way show conversation yeah we just saved you 60 million yen you're welcome and a lot of i mean that's five times faster or something all right yeah time to do the float plane announcements uh we had a little throwback thursday on float plane this week do you want to fire up yeah with three amazing exclusives oh no this one's up we've first we've got me react the exclusives are on the yeah there you go first we've got me reacting to staff's first time meeting me that released on monday and it's safe to say that people like seeing me in uncomfortable social situations. Oh yeah, they do.

1:53:23They like it a lot. Or mostly they like me recalling times that I created uncomfortable social situations. Linus is suffering. Oh boy. Yeah, that's all just screen grabs from the video. That is not me posing for the thumbnail. I did not know that Sammy was going to do that. I saw the thumbnail. Anyway, Colton's in there. Yvonne's in there. There's some good ones, all right. My problem with ours is I think I'd have to watch back us talking about it like years ago, because I only remember like some of the details at this point. Yeah, that was a long time ago. We also had a section of the writers discuss Linus's hot takes, where they discuss wireless peripherals.

1:54:13And finally, Luke, did you know that Plouffe, who owns a display, has been at the company for almost five years now. I honestly thought it had been longer, but I know that as of yesterday, because Christmas party. Yeah, we took a look back at his first videos, what he wrote, hosted, and so on and so forth. All of this is at our new link, lmg.gg slash fpwan. Okay, and both, but man, Sammy, you are such a unique human. look at this he is look at this

1:54:54under cap and uppercase

1:55:00huh who would think to write that like that under cap

1:55:09it feels very sammy i don't know why but you know why it's because that's what he sounds like when he talks.

1:55:20You know, yeah, yeah. Uppercase works. Upper cap works. No cap. Under cap is good. No cap. You'll be all right. Just rip a pack, dude. Just rip a pack. Literally, he did that at the Christmas party. On stage, he just like opened up a pack of Pokemon cards. He just actively lost money on stage in front of everyone. Yeah, I didn't really comprehend what I was watching. It was awesome. We do kind of team themes. We do kind of like a, it's somewhere between dress up and like doing like a grade six class presentation. Yeah, it's a good way to describe it. And Sammy's team was based on one of our core values, which is level up together.

1:56:05So their team, which was actually also Luke's team, all created sort of outfits that represented leveling up together. And they went with Pokemon. So they had scientists and they had a couple of Pokemon trainers, including one on a bicycle, complete with helmet, safety first. Thanks, Nate, for remembering that. They had some Pokemon in their various evolutionary stages. Luke was tall grass. Oh, yeah, I don't have a good picture. Tallgrass level up, Luke. Well, Tallgrass is where you go to level up, Dan. Yeah, and there was trainers on the Tallgrass and there was Pokemon on the hat on the Tallgrass.

1:56:41Dan's just salty because Luke's team beat his. Yeah. Way to lose, Dan. Way to lose. Good job. Anyway, as part of leveling up, Sammy attempted to level up his finances by opening up a pack of Pokemon cards as part of their presentation of their concept. Instead, he leveled up his debt. Yeah. Yeah, which he also just said in chat. Is a type of leveling up as well. Weekend Jedi 42 asks, why are there no pictures of this? We decided many years ago that our Christmas party was mostly going to be a content-free zone. We do kind of weird stuff. I wasn't involved in the games planning this year, but I won't pretend that it was any more weird than some of the stuff that I have planned in the past you had to like dig through uh containers of like mashed potatoes and dry noodles and wet noodles with a wooden spoon in your mouth to find codes to unlock combination locks it was a it was a whole thing I don't remember which one of those things but one of those trays like stank yeah I think it was like alfredo sauce or something rough i look i'm not gonna say i would have done any better but i will say that i was not involved in the games this year yeah uh anyway the point is that um we we want it to be kind of a uh uh uh um like social media free zone where people can you know cut loose a little bit for for once around here we really appreciate that we did have to do one short this year, but it is very short and it just involves the giveaway of the Hisense 116 inch TV.

1:58:24We broke policy for that, but that would be the exception, not the rule. Spoiler alert, Dad, sorry I didn't win it again. One time. How many tickets did you put in? I always do over half my stack. In the grand prize? I did most of mine. I saw, I went through them before I drew, and I was like, wow, Dan put a lot of tickets in here. A bunch of people did. I know Alex and James are also trying to get it. I actually pulled up my office model just to check because it's like nine feet wide. Yeah, it wouldn't make any sense for me at all, but it would be cool at my dad's place. We've been going through every once in a bit.

1:59:06We did watch Two Towers now. Nice. So there's Return of the King left. And I was sitting there next to him at the Christmas party I leaned over and I'd be like, it'd be pretty sick to watch Return of the King on the enormous TV. It would. It'll happen. It'll happen sometime. Hey, you guys have come over to watch hockey games at my place. Feel free. That's true. Yeah, you could always watch Return of the King on the slightly smaller 115-inch TV. Can't do it. It's too small. Yeah. It's too small. You'll have to make friends with the... We're not disclosing who it was yet. You'll have to make friends with the person who won it.

1:59:40Yeah. Then you can watch on the proper biggest TV. Yeah, there you go. Um, what else are we, what are we supposed to be doing now, Dan? Uh, oh, sponsors one and two. Yeah. The show is brought to you today by Ugreen. During the holiday season, we can all find ourselves rushing around. Wow, that's, I cannot skateboard. Oh, honestly, I thought you did a better job than I probably would have. Really? The fact that you stayed up. Oh, really? Like once you were actually, this, you stayed up and I don't know if it was intentional, but it looked like you tried to like kind of, you know. So I didn't used to be able to do that at all, but then I rode the Z board around a lot.

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2:03:14mkbhd's scam wallpaper app is shutting down and dear god please i am not calling it a scam i am just recalling when we discussed it back when he launched this product and people were calling it a scam and we had that long conversation about how people are using the word scam to describe things that are not scams. The product always did exactly what he said it would do, which means it's not a scam. You just don't like it, which is a totally different thing. Anyway, Panels is going away. On November 30th, Marques published an unlisted video giving an update on the wallpaper app Panels announcing that it is being sunsetted.

2:04:00For those who missed it, Panels, which was started by the MKBHD team, was launched on September 26th of last year. It was an app dedicated to downloading wallpapers for your mobile devices and was immediately met with backlash for a number of reasons, with the biggest being the$50 yearly subscription. which again, I repeat, is not a scam. It just is of dubious value to many of the folks who evaluated its value. People buy art for very weird amounts of money. And sometimes that is a scam. Yeah. But it's not a scam of the person who's buying the art. It's a scam of the tax system. So that's a whole separate deal.

2:04:45Marquez did make a follow-up video offering a lot more explanation for the pricing, including how it would help support the artists that made the images. But as of now, the final date for the app is December 31st, and Marquez explained that there will be a prorated refund for anyone who is currently subscribed. And this is super cool, and the main reason that I even wanted to talk about this at all, he announced that the entire source code will be going up on GitHub for free if you ever wanted to make a wallpaper app. And realistically, does anybody need this source code? Probably not. But as far as good guy moves go, if you're going to discontinue something, a prorated refund and making the code open source for anyone who wants to continue it in any way, making the source code available, this is about the most graceful way you can possibly do it.

2:05:40and I think that's pretty cool. That's it. That's all I have to say about that.

2:05:51Cool. Next one. It is cool. Dope even, you might say. Is it dope tech? No. Okay. Sounds good. Did we talk about Cherry yet? I don't think so. Rip Cherry. Cherry held a patent for mechanical switches and used to be the gold standard for keyboards. For keyboard switches. Yeah. That patent may be keyboards if you do, like, checkout systems at Vegas for some reason. Yeah, McDonald's, like... Yeah, yeah, random stuff like that. That patent lapsed in 2014. Since Cherry's patent lapsed, competition has slowly, but surely... But fastly. Yeah, pretty quick, actually, pushed them out of business. uh there yeah it says it again it it lapsed in 2014 tons of other companies sprung up uh and that i never really know how to say these names properly but gatteron gatteron kale texi dwick or jwk etc many the new companies have improved over cherry in the past decade in like honestly a wide variety of ways yep um it's been pretty wild many premium switches now come pre lubed which is a quite a big time saver yeah like dude lubing switches it's like that's the real reason that all these like tiny keyboard form factors got popular everyone just gaslit themselves into believing that they wanted a tiny keyboard but what they actually didn't want to do was lube 104 stems oh i'm kidding i know a lot of you legitimately love your tiny keyboards hot take i think this is one of the reasons why uh keyboard stuff is getting more boring these days though is there's nothing to it anymore but anyways moving on um yeah experimentation with other materials has been a big part of it uh cherry just hasn't really been the gold standard for a while and they haven't kept up with things like hall effects or optical switches and whatnot cherry is now looking to give up its german production and sell the core division you might be like wow that seems like an overreaction no um from january 2025 to the end of september the company made a net loss of almost 20.4 million euros.

2:08:07Whoa. I'm kind of surprised that was even possible. And something that you got to kind of understand is that Cherry, like, key switch-ness is a really, really small part of their parent company's operation. It's like kind of barely even a footnote. so the fact that they even bothered for this long is honestly kind of a surprise when we were there which cherry was like much more on top of the world at that time hell yeah uh what a great shot yeah but when we were there i remember thinking like oh this is like pretty small yeah and then we we couldn't shoot any of it but uh actually hold on i'm just gonna check a thing

2:08:57uh yeah okay cool in 2008 um cherry was purchased by zf so we couldn't shoot any of it but like the stuff that zf was doing yeah for like the automotive industry and stuff was like oh so they just wanted cherry's ip probably for something to do with their real business and they were like, sure, you keep doing your little thing. Apparently ZF sold the Cherry Group back in 2016, but still uses Cherry branded. Okay, this is AI though, so who knows. But the point is they did own them at some point and Cherry was later, oh wow, Cherry has been sold a couple times. So timeline of ownership, ZF purchased them in 2008.

2:09:50ZF sold them in 2016, So this is after the patent lapsed. Um, and then, uh, that was two genuine partners. And then from 2020 to 2021 was acquired by argand partners. Um, yeah. So things have clearly been circling the drain for quite a while now. Yeah. What do you think? You're going to buy cherry, buy cherry. No, I don't want them. Do what with it? Exactly. I have, I can't really add anything. to that table i mean what they were worth was the ip and the german manufacturing and now the ip is worthless and the german manufacturing is closing yeah so yeah yeah i think they're just uh i think they're a relic now make canadian switches i mean would anybody really want maple syrup maple syrup lube yeah i don't think so it would smell really nice uh yeah a little while yeah it smelled really bad eventually yeah i mean there's a lot of things that people like that yeah because then you just have to keep buying we finally have a consumable product yeah like that'd be oh man imagine you could make like the world's best smelling cologne but it only smells good for an hour you know like what a business model was actually the world's best smelling cologne like objectively that would sell like crazy oh people would totally do it yeah you know who's super into cologne charade that makes sense he gave me like a whole like lesson on cologne when we were stuck in an airport for five hours on that china trip for me oh yeah he's like and and it's not just like you know he's like oh yeah here's the one that i have and and i like it a lot you know different ones for different like occasions and stuff because he because because that change with the seasons that's just like oh you went on the subreddit and you went to like the pinned one and then you just bought whatever was the top sure yeah yeah yeah no no no no he's like here's the one that like i'd love to wear regularly but it's like not affordable but here's the one that you know because uh you know what what's what's their name uh not mac but maybe it was mac basically he like knew the promotional cycle of one of our local cosmetics chains and was like yeah so so i'll pick up like the big bottle of this from them like during this month when they like have the promo but these ones are really nice and he like shows me a couple he's like yeah they like kind of change over time this one's like fireplace and like okay check this out okay smell it right away and i'm like oh okay and then he like like it goes like this with the card and then he actually like carried it with him and then like 10 minutes later he's like okay now smell the fireplace one so he had me like smell like a bunch of these and he's like yeah see how it like smells different now Like it was sweet at the beginning and now it's more smoky.

2:12:44This is like, this is like really good. And he's like talking to me through all this stuff. I'm like, dude, I don't know. I just wear my speed stick. I was going to say, I'm pretty sure you don't even wear cologne. No. Underarm stuff. Yeah. No, I mean, as long as I don't stink. Yeah. I was going to say, you're not on the, there's like a spectrum and it's, it's stink to doesn't smell bad to smells good. And I think we're both getting the doesn't smell bad. That's hope. Yeah. That's the goal at least. Yeah, I actually, it was asked once what I smell like in an AMA. And I believe it was because I had some help.

2:13:22Oh, yeah. I had some help responding to the AMA from longtime members of the team. And Ed was the one who responded to that one. Thank you very much for that. And he said, I smell like cheap deodorant and cheap hair gel. And nowadays, I don't wear hair gel anymore. so cheap deodorant just cheap deodorant nice that works yeah that's good it's perfectly perfectly good guy stuff um i don't know if i was gonna wear anything i would probably just go for the most basic possible oh not much left yeah i would probably go for the most basic possible thing and i would just wear like old spice or something yeah is it is could you could it could would charade be able to like pair something with you i'm sure he'd be able to but like i honestly think that just like smelling like anything other than just basic would just it wouldn't be right wouldn't fit your brand it's not even my brand it's just like i wouldn't consistently apply it like i have to be in i have to be in active pain to consistently use a product in the morning and evening so other than other than uh like teeth brushing you may not believe this because my teeth are really yellow right now because of the wax that's over top of my brackets um which is stained but my teeth are some like i care about my oral hygiene i i hate bad breath i like on myself on anyone i don't like bad breath so that's something that i don't have to remember um but other than that Like even my anti-inflammatory cream for the tennis elbow, it's taken me so long to heal because I'd be so inconsistent about applying it.

2:15:11Like even if I'm actively in pain, I will often forget to put on something that I'm that I'm supposed to use. Like Yvonne recommended like like facial cleansers and stuff that I'm supposed to use. So like, I don't know, my pores will be smaller or something like you want small pores. Does this matter? Like I just I can't be motivated. The biggest pores. I can't be motivated to use them regularly. so i have big strong pores um oh man anselmo asks old spice is basic i ain't fancy i guess old spice is super basic charade would charade would be able to educate you yeah old spice is not yeah yeah it's literally old it's the old spice and to be clear they have lots of other products but when i when i was talking about it just now i was referring to literally like the og like the aftershave smell original yeah yeah uh syphil syphilis says old spice has picked up their game lately okay that's cool good for them i still think it's normie stuff compared to compared probably charade could never i i don't think charade would ever i don't think he would ever I'll ask him It's funny looking at like the photos at my parents house because you know leading up till grade five I don't think you're old enough to possibly care and then in grade five and grade six I cared like a lot about my appearance and you can tell in the photos and then immediately after that I never cared again and you can tell in the photos I don't know what happened but But it's true.

2:16:56All right. All right. I asked him. We're going to get the experts take probably pretty soon here. It shows available on Teams. So we should hear back from him. I mean, it's middle of a work day, which is weird because WAN show. But yeah. Yeah. Should be fine. Should be fine. This is work. Yeah. The WAN people want to know. Yeah. All right. No, no. I meant it like. Yeah, I didn't mean it that way. I meant like he'll probably be available because. Three dots. Here we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here we go. We got the dots. The dots are incoming. I asked him, Old Spice, would you ever? I love how it's this much typing.

2:17:33The three dots are gone. He's thinking. Like, Dio, would I ever wear it? Lol. I mean, the brand. I feel like deodorant versus cologne is like a pretty big jump. That's true. okay so i'm i'm talking more like do they have cologne they must right i don't know oh maybe we're just maybe we're just asking entirely the wrong question yeah we might be uh they have cologne okay xenox lt asks wait are there deodorant without a scent i believe so they're really hard to track down though

2:18:17yeah here we go he sees it he's seen it he's given it a think he's given it a think uh should we do uh should we do another topic in the meantime oh sure oh no oh dude oh dude we got a strong response hell nah lol i left that in high school okay so there you go boys we got you your answer. Comme des garçons cologne. Thanks. I, uh, thanks. I'll let the WAN show now. Comme des garçons? Yeah, wanna bring it up? No, no, comme. Like in French. Oh my god, stop. I will look it up because I can smell it. I think I might have found it pretty quick. Oh, this sounds like a store maybe. Oh, come on. Okay, here we go.

2:19:09Here we go. Comme des Garçons perfumes. Okay, so this is apparently... This is Sherrod approved. Yeah. And like packaging is a major factor apparently. Okay, this is not something that I personally can really like understand too much. But, you know, apparently that's, you know, a big part of the... Yeah, concrete. Dude, I don't know. This is not my world. This is not my world. This is not a thing that I really understand very well. Neat. But this is something that, I mean, how much does this stuff cost? Okay, what's the drowning blood guy? How much does it cost to smell like concrete? Sure, let's find that out.

2:19:52I want to know. I want to smell like concrete. Okay. Oh, my God. These are the only places we can get it? What am I even talking about? Sure, I'll take your cookies. Okay, let's go with New York because that'll likely be in US Oh

2:20:13Okay, that's not concrete though. Is that a year's supply? First when 30 years ago these perfumes were first imagined Expressing the values of the brand through a new medium To disturb the traditional parameters of the fragrance industry Okay okay, that is a job that AI could do. Writing the product descriptions for us? For like bougie colognes. Yeah, I think so. I think so. I don't even think anyone's going to be that mad about it. Me saying that. I don't even think that's a hot take. Someone will be. All right, do we move on? Yeah, yeah, I think we move on. There's a bunch of no notes topics.

2:21:02Yeah, we could do a no-notes topic, sure. Google has removed the call-home and PA-style broadcast features from the Home app. Yeah, that sucks. Yeah. Yeah. A company is using AI Linus to advertise a pirate streaming box on TikTok. That sucks. That's lame. Yeah. Oh, here. You know what? Do you do anything about that? Are you going to do anything about that? Realistically, you know, they know what they're doing. Ah, yeah, that's not you. They're in a region where probably, like, if there was a way to go after these guys legally, I'm sure that the content owners of the content that they're pirating on the U-Free Box US 2, I'm sure they'd be trying.

2:21:51So I'm kind of looking at it going, what chance do I have of combating this? yeah this blows never buy from these guys because they're clearly scummy buttheads and also my mouth is not that big yeah that's the main thing that made it obvious it wasn't you to be honest I guess I could I could nah nah yeah because now it's not that wide it's super round yeah yeah yeah you can't do it that way I can try. Not quite there. No, I can't quite get there. Sounds horrible when you do that too. Listen. Okay, don't listen. What else we got? Moving on. No notes. Missouri residents' searches for VPNs have quadrupled after age verification laws kicked in, which we all knew was going to happen.

2:22:44Yeah, this is going to be a thing. Now's the perfect time to shout out our VPN partner, Private Internet Access. We'll have them linked down below. So our discussion question is, how could stories like this getting attention put VPNs at risk? Man, ah. I would like to think that the US would stop short of outlawing VPNs. Because that would be like some China-level authoritarianism. Didn't they very recently pump VPNs like crazy? If they told people to get them. I think it was like the FBI specifically talked about them or something. Like it was one agency that talked about them. But the thing to, wait, shut up.

2:23:33Someone said they're illegal in Michigan? That can't be right. Hold on a second. I would need to look that up. Hold on a second. Michigan. Hold on a second. AI says no, they are not currently illegal in Michigan, but a proposed bill, House Bill 4938, the Anti-Corruption of Public Morals Act, oh my god, aims to ban the sale, promotion, and use of circumvention tools like VPNs to access prohibited content like adult sites, forcing ISPs to block them, and potentially making tools for remote work illegal, though it's passage and enforcement. are uncertain. That is an AI summary.

2:24:23Electronic Frontier Foundation has a great headline on this. Lawmakers want to ban VPNs and they have no idea what they're doing. Yes. When do they, though? When doing practically anything. Two truer clauses have never been attached to each other before by an em dash. Outstanding Apparently this is Wisconsin, Michigan And beyond Wow, Buzz Lightyear too Oh, okay, this is over in the UK Oh, man

2:25:00Sometimes I feel like Can you just add those to the doc? My North American Cousins I'll highlight it My North American cousins down in the United States of A, sometimes I feel like there are certain hot button issues that they get really like rah, rah, rah, my personal freedoms about while completely missing the active erosion of said freedoms in much more restrictive, much wider reaching ways. that I just find a little bit baffling. I just, I find it, I find it very confusing that there isn't more outrage over stuff like this. Are those, what was that camera surveillance company? A lot of people don't know what they are.

2:25:58That surveillance company. Yeah, Flock. The Flock camera topic from last week. Like, this is bad. And like anyone, any individual senator or representative or governor or whatever, or any party that is pushing this agenda, like I would have a hard time supporting them. um

2:26:35oh yeah this is this is tough i have a feeling honestly they just don't even know what it is i mean that's what i'm kind of leaning on because it actually it actually feels like it supports like traditional american values vpns well yeah it's like protecting of the individual from the state blah blah blah blah and like so right to privacy. I really think they just don't even know what it is. I suspect it's an education problem.

2:27:09Alright. I don't mean traditional education. I don't think you go to school to learn what a VPN is. That's not my point. No comment. No comment. I majored in PIA. Yeah, like yeah. I mean, I'm not educated on colognes. I'm pissed I didn't learn about that in school. Anyways, next one. This one's a little fun. Yeah, sure. Hit me. No notes, but there are some, I guess. Discuss the impact of crawler bots on overall internet traffic using labs as an example. There are some discussion questions here. What more can be done to regulate crawler bots? There's some technical solutions. why don't we show why don't we show the graph that you shared with me first sure so there's a few now uh because we figured out that you wanted to show this on when so we added some info but there's the linked one so the linked reference image is the one that you initially saw okay so here let me let me fire that up okay so here's what luke showed me and i was like hey wouldn't it be kind of cool if we talked about this so this is traffic to ltt um to ltt labs yeah that is non-human that we were able to trace back to particular AI crawler bots.

2:28:30This is a relatively short period of time. We're showing like early November 26th to late midday December 2nd. Sorry, sorry. I'm doing a bad job. What's going on over there? I'm doing a bad job of this. There, November 26th down there. I was trying to show the date clearer, but whatever. I'm just going to circle it and say November 26th. So it's a relatively short period of time, but you can see like ChatGPT is like an enormous amount of this. And then you've got Googlebot. Googlebot's a little bit complicated. We'll talk about it in a second. And then you take a significant jump down. So it's ChatGPT, significant jump down.

2:29:04Googlebot, significant jump down. Everything else, basically. Bing, DuckDuck, Amazon, and then the rest. But yeah, it's a lot. But there's other stuff going on, too. So I'm going to need some of my notes here to explain some of this. So my first discussion question was because these AI bots, and we've talked about this with the House Fresh folks, because these AI bots are completely, or no, it wasn't House Fresh. It was the Anantek shutdown topic. So I was chatting with Ryan. He was saying like a significant amount of their hosting cost is just serving to scrapers. since they're so undiscerning in their scraping like and we know that the the majority of internet users visit just a handful of sites how much internet traffic oh it's do you think is just mindless bots scraping sites that very few humans are actually interacting with like what is the what is the what is the the cost of all of this that's yeah it's quite high it's it's interesting because like there is also a different line in my opinion because there's scraping in order to build a database or whatever but then there's also scraping on behalf of a user there's no way to differentiate that on the host side but you might have you might tell a bot like oh you said a bunch of stuff but i need links for it and then it's going to go out and like search the internet and find things.

2:30:43But yeah, there's no way for us to tell what the difference is. One of the really interesting ones that we've got... Hold on. Barely Lingual and Floatplane Chat says, I work at Wikimedia. It's a lot. Yeah, it's a ton. Okay. Anyway, sorry. Go ahead. One of the interesting ones we have is this one. There we go. This chart. The blue versus purple line squiggles. I couldn't really get a good photo of this explaining what it all is. but absorb that for a second look at the dates when the blue and the purple line diverge yes sometime in april march oh late march um so the purple and the purple is impressions the blue is clicks right right right right right um march 2025 was when ai's all ai results started rolling out in search oh yeah yeah we've kind of talked about this before i've had people say that the stuff you're quoting is like not necessarily real because it's just like your idea of what might be happening so i don't know maybe this will help people accept that like yeah i know that's for sure happening um so we're getting brought up more but clicks are are you know the the big spikes are lower you can tell there was like a massive spike in purple right around here uh i don't know necessarily what happened but whatever was interesting and searchable didn't result in clicks.

2:32:05And this is LTT Labs? Yeah. Huh. Something here happened that was really big. It got a little bit of a spike. Yeah. It would probably be one of these bigger ones before, but it was not as clickable. Same thing happens here. Wow. And then this one was like really massive. I'm not entirely sure what this is. We could dive into it, but I don't know off the top of my head what that fully is. And then the last one, oh no, nevermind, there's two more. oh yeah this one's kind of interesting uh the google one is skewed because uh just google in general is a little weird because how do you count google's stuff yeah because they are search yeah so the other ones are kind of more interesting like perplexity over 15 000 requests with 23 total referrals right um like there's no way that you can profitably just even web host at that kind of ratio it's it's pretty awesome it's pretty cool and to be clear like okay calm down when i'm talking profitability i'm not going like corporate fat cat profitability here i'm talking more like sustainability it's the death and consolidation of small websites um okay back to luke laptop the last one yeah just some top referrals i think i think this this previous one uh is more interesting but just showing this one as well um duck duck go based duck duck go getting a lot more than bing was surprising and interesting to me i mean yeah for our audience that does kind of make sense it does firefox users you know yeah um by the way matt uh from the labs web team says by the way we do use all the anti-ai meta tags and best practices to tell them not to scrape, they just completely ignore them.

2:33:59Yeah, which we absolutely knew was going to be a thing. Yeah. Which is why... We said it on WAN Show. We said it elsewhere. Yeah. So we're not going to, like, you know, hire an entire team of anti-AI experts to try to make our site less scrapable. That's just not good use of our very limited resources. But, like, I've had people directly reach out to me and be like, yeah, labs results ended up in, like, a chat GPT thing I was doing, asking it questions. and like it was useful enough that i didn't check the site and it's like well all right that's how they get you yeah yeah i mean this this genuinely explains how you know nvidia can keep selling more consumer gpus which they report quarter after quarter growth in their geforce business but viewership on you know how to pick a gpu video doesn't necessarily go up because if people are just using AI, then that's all they need.

2:34:58Yes, I know about the humans.txt initiative. The problem is a lot of these things are just ignorable. If you look at the incentives of what is happening and you're seeing the results of this in some places, it really sucks for most people because what's going to end up happening is a bunch of sites are going to die. And the ones that don't die are probably going to push heavier monetization models by putting their interesting stuff behind paywalls yeah that's going to be the only way they can survive i'm not even mad at them for it at this point yeah they're doing what they have to do to survive we're we're lucky and also we we got to give ourselves credit for seeing the writing on the wall a long time ago and we've invested heavily in hey buy a onesie make sure that we can keep doing the work we're doing yeah um not everybody has that luxury of having other businesses to continue to support their media businesses through this very very difficult period i gotta say a major sort of growing up moment for me or not even moment um but thing i've experienced over let's call it the last 10 years has been discovering to my dismay how much of the the general structure of the world was just and and and order instability was just built on like like norms and good faith engagement rather than any kind of expectation of actual enforcement it's still a thing it is still thing but it's standards versus rules right if you if you can live off of standards you will probably have a better group of people yeah but i feel like being the ability my expectation of being able to rely on standards and people to uphold them is eroding oh no for sure i'm talking super broadly here i'm talking like corporate teams sports teams government groups of friends groups of people, government, countries, whatever you want, if it can survive off of standards, that's pretty much always better.

2:37:13This is the whole high trust versus low trust society thing. Yeah, we talked about that a couple weeks ago. If it is the standard of your society to be good to each other, then people will generally attempt to maintain that. But the problem is that you have to, the people themselves have to enforce that to a certain degree because you can't allow people to just, yeah. and and like authoritarian enforcement is not the answer no um well that's kind of the whole idea yeah the only way is you can go from from the bottom up upholding societal standards and i just feel like we're uh i feel like we're in deep doo-doo here oh yeah it's bad but but there's no consequences and so i don't even it's not even that there's no consequences you have you have this there's there's no consequences they can completely ignore us saying please no and they win but and smaller companies get hurt by this and companies like micron are able to bail out of consumer spaces for massively more high profit things that are sitting here profiting off of small groups like that artists uh small publications book writers whatever are all getting looted for all their stuff and it's all funneling up to these big companies and then they're what they're doing with that is making consumer spending more difficult because it's all being gathered up by big corporate spending like it's the the the cycle is much more involved than i think even doomers would like to think is bad and to be clear like this is and this is a really kind of tough one to to kind of wrap my brain around is i also i can understand why even And maybe even especially at the bottom, people are feeling so jaded and so left out by this system that they're sitting here going, well, if they don't have to follow the rules, then why should I?

2:39:10And they can end up harming each other a lot more than they end up harming our corporate overlords. I strongly agree with that when it comes to dealing with them, but ideally not each other. Yeah. Yeah.

2:39:31evickius says that's how i feel about drug dealers like yeah to be clear i i don't want anyone to be a drug dealer i don't want anyone to have to be a drug dealer is sort of another way of saying the same thing um and if someone was choosing between their family starving and dealing drugs, I can at least understand. I can try to empathize with their position. I don't have to like it. I don't have to want that choice or that outcome for myself or for anyone. but you've got to at least try to sort of put yourself in their mindset and go, okay, you know, why? Why did they make that choice? And to be clear, not everyone is doing it out of necessity.

2:40:28I don't buy that for a second. But at least some seem to be pretty stuck. Ah.

2:40:41cool very fun good chat um

2:40:49i i have just been sent some pictures of my uh christmas party costume i won't include the one when i'm standing a lighter topic yeah exactly i won't include the one when i'm standing in the venue because there's other people in the background i know we we don't do that uh but I am going to include some of the photos of the actual getup. I'm just not wearing it in these photos. Christmas. Do you want me to do another thing in the meantime? Do you need a minute? I should be like. Oh, why don't I get through sponsors? 10 seconds. But yeah, I'll just be ready when you're done. Yeah, sure. All right.

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2:44:12So I always mentioned that I was tall grass. So my original idea, which was maybe okay, but not very good, was that I'd get a light green colored shirt and some dark green fabric markers and just like basically draw in a bunch of blades of grass which because of the alternating colors of green would make it look like a bunch of different blades of grass uh but then Emma got involved and made it way better so now it was like I was basically wearing a diorama uh so there's a bunch of Pokemon trainers in the tall grass and the tall grass was these like little 3D things that were glued onto the shirt and there was uh these are totally butterfreeze and not random uh butterfly things bought from a craft store uh i did a little text box uh because you you got an encounter with this particular trainer and they like shorts because they're comfy and easy to wear which is based um and then there's the hat which the hat was was wild um it was again a little diorama this time with with actual pokemon involved i didn't know it had a little card it sounds so good Yeah, there's little mini sleeping.

2:45:20All the Gen 1 starters, including the Pikachu from Yellow, all just having a little nap on top of the hat with some little mushrooms. There's a mushroom Pokemon moral that came later on. A little wooden stump and stuff. This is actually a white hat that she tried to paint some grass kind of texture onto, which was wild. And then there's another angle of it here. It was quite the thing to wear. but it was awesome. Yeah, it was cool. Emma did all that. It was fantastic.

2:45:59Secret lab.

2:46:05Okay, good call, good call, good call. I'm going to leave it where it was, actually. You might not notice. I was thinking of turning it like that, but then I think the act of turning the chair might make him notice. We'll see, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. good call everyone good call good call alright let's see what do we have we should be talking about something I can do another topic you got the crawler one that's good AWS and Google Cloud yeah where's that underneath it no no it's AWS and Google Cloud interconnect announcement really part of this announcement is the introduction of an open source API to allow other cloud providers to adopt simplified connectivity for everyone what uh discussion question we have seen in the last few months that these giant cloud services can effectively disable sections of the internet when they go down yes how do you think introducing a new standard like this will affect the industry moving forward well i don't know what the standard is um totally fake arthur said that is actually super sick it's crazy um instead of envy link it's ag link uh i would like to know more i feel like this maybe should have actually had some notes um aws announces preview of aws interconnect multi-cloud providing oh interesting that'll be really expensive multi-cloud providing simple resilient high-speed private connections to other cloud service providers starting in preview with google cloud okay that is very interesting uh i do really have to wonder how expensive that will be i think it's going to be prohibitively expensive for a lot of places um but we will see easy cloud migrations yeah i mean i get it now um i just didn't fully understand it immediately from the uh the notes i should have paid more attention to the title.

2:48:02Yeah, I don't have access to that. Cool. Nice. Yeah, I mean that sounds cool, interesting, resilient, but also probably very expensive and we'll see how that goes. You literally had to pay people to run actual wires in the data center before. Yeah, I mean you're still doing that. It's just being obfuscated from you. That is totally still happening.

2:48:30I don't know. I don't know, guys. A lot of this cloud stuff is very expensive, and doubling it is also going to be very expensive. It will be really nice for resiliency, though. Certain services will benefit from that a lot, but I think if you're expecting everyone to do that, it's going to be too much for a lot of places. Okay. Did you get the Google one? Which one? Google has removed the call home. Yes, we did. We did talk about that one. New robots look like they could kick my butt. Okay, these are cool. Engine AI released a video showing off the new T-800 robot. Totally not a ripoff. It's surprisingly agile.

2:49:13It performs a bunch of martial arts moves like front kicks and roundhouse kicks. Despite the no AI slash CGI in the bottom left hand of the clip, many comments don't believe it. Unitree responded with their own video a day later, showing off the H2 robot. Wait, hold on, hold on. Can we look at this first? Yes. Yeah, that looks like... This one billion percent looks like CGI. Yeah, that doesn't look real at all. Hold on, hold on. Let's see, let's see. Hold on. Even like the lighting and stuff.

2:49:48Yeah, I don't even sort of believe this.

2:49:55If you're going to make that claim, Why would you shoot it like this? Yeah, that's why it's so strange Hold on, why doesn't the human ever interact with the robot? And their like face is covered with a hood the whole time Well, no, that's fine, I don't mind that Because that human is probably there But they never touch each other You notice that? Yeah Like when Unitree does demos and stuff They'll like kick the robot and stuff Oh, you can see them there. No, no, I mean, but they never touch each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do they ever cross over even? They get really close.

2:50:37This is the weirdest shot video ever. It could be a stunt. Wow, it looks too good. I don't believe that it's this good, but it could be a... Oh, man, this is the fakest looking video ever, dude. Like, why would you shoot it to look fake? This is what I was saying is I could see it be a strategy where they're trying to get people to claim that it's not fake So then they can prove that it's real later. Sorry claim that it is fake. So it's real later The one time anyone touches the robot. It's not moving. It's not moving It's I don't even think it's on

2:51:15That is the most BS looking thing And this this looks more like the robot actually doing stuff. Yeah

2:51:27and then this suddenly super doesn't

2:51:33okay anyway okay so this is engine ai yeah i don't know about that okay and then unitree responded with their own video a day later showing off the h2 robot uh their video starts with the 1.8 meter tall humanoid robot beating up a much smaller robot then it spars with a person and a bigger robot.

2:51:58See, this also looks kind of fake, except, okay, there's actually people back here. And when we move on...

2:52:09This one feels a lot more real. They actually interact with the robot. It feels a lot more real. Even a lot of the movements. Like, it's surprisingly fluid, but it still has, like, the classic robotics, like, you know, oh, I am unstable. I will run, you know, algorithm thing to figure out how to become stable again. Yeah. Like little things like that. That little like struggle, that feels a lot more legit. Oh yeah, 100%. That looked legitimately dangerous being in the ring with this thing. Like if it connected on one of these roundhouse kicks, check this out. Oh no, not this one. Nevermind, hold on.

2:52:47Here it is. Like if it had connected with that kick. Yeah, it could suck. That would have freaking hurt. That would suck. Like maybe injury hurt Anyway, Unitree just can't stop winning man Like they... Crazy. The whole industry is moving so fast that it would be impossible to tell us which horse is gonna or horses more likely are gonna win this race. Well based on those videos I don't think engine AI is because I don't think they have a horse

2:53:19I don't know that video is just so fake looking It's ridiculous Yeah Like look at the lighting that would have been required For this intro Hold on apparently the NGIN AIT800 video Has behind the scenes that's been released As a response to the fake CGI Comments Alright let's have a look Okay Okay that looked more awkward okay hold on let's see hold on whoa whoa wait okay this guy this guy is moving okay they've got this doesn't do much to make me believe it I'm just saying that helped a little that's not the take that's in the video no it's not

2:54:07okay yeah uh

2:54:18I want to see someone interact with this stupid robot.

2:54:35Hold on. Hold on. Is it going to touch something? Wait. What is buddy here doing?

2:54:43Oh, okay. That's an action cam. I'm still skeptical. Show me it doing something not badass. That's what I want.

2:55:02Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. I want to go back to that one for a second. So, where's the sun? Okay.

2:55:13Man, this looks so fake. Touch it. Somebody touch the robot. See, this is convincing, but again, it's... But then it cuts. I don't know, dude. I don't know, dude. I'm not very convinced right now.

2:55:37okay i still don't believe it

2:55:45I don't know what do you guys think what do you guys think did this help at all oh man a lot of people saying the behind the scenes makes it look even more fake

2:56:02I don't know I need to see a human interacting with it Like I said, it felt like a move where they wanted people to say that it looked fake so they could try to prove that it wasn't fake. And the non-behind-the-scenes video is only three days old, and they have the behind-the-scenes cut already out. I feel like they're just trying to get in news headlines right now, and they succeeded. You think so? That's my vibe check. That's some pretty good 4D chess. It feels very planned out, though. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I mean, you plan when you play 4G chess. That's like the whole idea.

2:56:42I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Okay, seriously. Scooby 3 says, the old push it back with a broom test. Yeah, I want to see that. I want to see it. They're one day apart. I want to see it failing to do a bunch of spinning kicks. It's not just that this video is three days old. This one's only two days old. yeah i well oh no that's immediately afterwards that's true enough but like it's not like that took a lot of editing to do like they just chopped together some some footage yeah like what what's they've got a bunch of other stuff on their channel setting the record straight on cgi rumors i i really think it's it's a publicity thing like have they ever done anything in the past hold on uh searching for their channel didn't bring it up for me can you can you bring up their channel again yeah oh wait no I found it now like they've got a whole bunch of videos on their channel like do any of these other ones nice

2:57:48like this looks

2:57:54this looks more believable hit it with a broom interact with it directly I dare you touch it touch it speed touch it I mean yeah that that looked a lot more realistic that looked a lot more realistic ah okay well when was this anyway shoot I hate how hard it is to just find the stupid details okay yeah you gotta go find the hamburger menu menu then click description so that was in april of this year you know what let's see let's see how it goes i um i i agree with luke that they're obviously playing a get in headlines game yeah um until until i see something that doesn't look quite as polished and staged and um and as devoid of real material interactions as even the behind the scenes here i'm gonna find this pretty darn hard to believe and if they like hard scripted a bunch of movements that do look that good and that's why some of the standard walking scenes look dramatically lower tech than the like martial arts scenes where they're like moving much more like you would expect and then suddenly they're like fluid and dynamic maybe but like a lot of these things it looks like the like metal is almost bending in a way that like a human doing these types of movements would would flex and bend when it like collides with the ground and stuff and then you suddenly see the walking scenes is like like i just i don't know i have a hard time believing it at all but if it is like hard scripted to happen specifically in like that room in that setting with that floor material and all that kind of stuff maybe they've got something maybe it's never useful to anyone really but like okay maybe yeah i i i'm gonna wait i'm gonna wait before just pronouncing this to be fake and before pronouncing this to be real i'm not saying this as a fact but i'm i'm definitely siding on the it's fake side and if it isn't fake then i mean hell yeah i'm gonna say it looks all power to him it for sure looks fake.

3:00:17And then, again, this part, like, it might not all be fake. This part seems like it could be legitimate. This movement all seems pretty normal. Yep. Very kind of often one motor at a time, and then we're back to, nah.

3:00:39Yep, fair enough. Anyways. We don't have any other, like, real topics but there were a couple other things to talk about my uh my son started a 3d printing business yeah that you're doing a video for that right yeah like has to be yeah that's amazing yeah i've heard the story behind this and it's incredible i uh i took a i took a picture of him last night um because he's actually the the first teenager that i've ever met in my entire life who's like the king of just getting a good night's sleep and you know being fresh in the morning and so this is this is really unusual for him but he was like up really late last night and so I got home from the Christmas party and I was like I went to say goodnight to all of the kids and make sure that they were in bed and so my daughters were in bed and I was like that's good and I went to pop my head into my son's room and I was like goodnight boy and then you're not in here oh lights on in your bathroom you're not in there either where the heck is he like is he in the mechanical room again because he has been spending so much of his time down in the mechanical room and uh dan i just sent you a picture and this is the scene that i walked in on i have never been prouder hell yeah um so what are so what are those christmas trees uh they're little fidget toys that are two spiral things oh i've seen kind of yeah go together he has like a an entrepreneurship fair coming up at the school and so he's bringing the the ones on the the bamboo that are closer to us are those little infinite fold fidget cubes um and so he's bringing a bunch of like pre-printed stuff and then also promoting his like choose your own uh 3d printing business so he's been yeah you can take it down now so he's been learning a whole bunch of so based like 3d printing he's learning about different filaments and like the different temperatures and odors and off gassing and like just like sort of all this various stuff he keeps asking me to like buy more filament and have you got him into flexible stuff yet not yet um

3:03:01we have some but most of the orders that he's getting are not for stuff that uses it and right now he's having a hard time keeping up just with what people are requesting um let alone going and just like exploring and finding interesting things to go and doesn't have to do as much product development yet um we're we're i'm trying to i'm trying to find a way to make him actually sort of think about the nuts and bolts of how to make this a business but not make it just you know uh impossible to overcome because other than like sports he's had a hard time finding like a hobby up until now he loves gaming he loves sports but you can only play so many video games a day sorry it's not that's not you're not going to be an esports pro not in my house um it's just not going to happen um and you can only do much so much physical activity before your body just must recover and that's actually a healthy thing to do and so he uh so he's finally he's finally done it he's like super dialed in so the the balance that i i think i found is that he has to pay me for filament by the weight that he uses interesting is that so is that true when he's selling product but not if he's making it for himself um he doesn't make anything for himself he doesn't care he does not do like gadgets and stuff he like dude we'll go to we'll go to Disneyland as a family.

3:04:26I kid you not. And the whole weekend, the girls are like hounding us for some princess thing or some dress or some wand or some balloon or whatever. Um, actually, I shouldn't, I should give them more credit than that. Once they grew up a little bit, neither of them would hound us, but we do have sort of the rule in our house that they learn is that when we go on vacation, you can have one souvenir. Don't bother us about it. at the end keep your eyes open and then at the end let us know and if it's something within the budget that we set then that's one and that's and don't bug us past that is sort of the rule that we have um but anyway so the girls will have their eyes out and they'll be like chitter-chattering at each other about what they like and oh if we each get one of these then we can play that together and and at the end we'll be like okay we've done we've done our shopping for the girls boy do you want anything and be like no like you sure like they they have build your own lightsaber no they have like here's the thing you could put on your wall no i got stuff on my wall all right all right that's cool he's just he's really not materialistic anyway um so we charge him for filament by the weight that he uses not by the spools that we order so if there's like a color he needs i'll just order it and then i'm like the like bulk distributor yeah he only has to like pay for what he uses i think that's pretty reasonable seems all right and then if he needs any other materials that's his problem so he placed his first order with mcmaster car last week nice he ordered some magnets and some like m2 screws and he's using it to make a little rubber band guns and i told him what no black ones yeah that's a specific no black guns so the first one he made was like in lilac that's a canadian legal thing just for anyone yeah do not 3d print a black gun racist and take it to school oh my god he's talking oh man it's not racist stop they know they're just teasing so the first one he made was in like lilac and I was like yes approved but like he intended to make the first one in black and I was like boy I do not want a letter from the school about this please for the love of all that is good it's gonna be a letter from the government oh and so and he's also making these like cool flippy they have to be like oh my goodness make them in fun fisher price yes make them in fun toy colors that's all i ask yeah um yeah so um anyway where was uh where was i going with this um yes so he's got his oh yeah right right right right right so he needed like these m2 screws and um and magnets because it's got it's got kind of a cool element to the design where you glue in some magnets and it has like a removable magazine the magazine doesn't do anything but it's like you print out two mags and it comes with a couple mags and they like magnet in and whatever right like kids kids love that stuff it's a toy yeah exactly that's why it's not black um so we um so he ordered that and he's like yeah the the shipping cost is so high i'm like yep he's like i can't buy just two m2 screws i'm like nope he's like i'm gonna have to sell like six of these and i'm like yep and so that's why i want to have him like paying for some of his yeah no that's cool i don't charge him for machine time i think i've decided now i'm not going to charge him for any like upgrades to the machines so the print farm he gets free time on it as long as he shares with his sisters because they like to print toys for themselves neither of them are really selling things at this point um and then he has to pay by fulfillment by weight that he only what he uses and then anything else that he needs to make like cool designs and stuff seems extremely reasonable at this point and then yvonne's really encouraging him to start tracking all of his expenses and all of his revenues in a spreadsheet to make sure that he's like paying himself at least a break even and hopefully like like an amount of money that's worth it because as you could see he's spending a lot of time on this now it's a mess right now and the first thing he said when I walked in the room was I'll clean it up tomorrow and I was like honestly I'm not even mad yes do clean it up tomorrow but I'm not even mad about this uh last night I was in the bath and he came in and interrupted me three times because there a bunch of filament got stuck on the outside of one of the hot ends and he was like trying to swap out for another nozzle and he was like working on extracting the ceramic heating element and like putting the temperature probe in and a bunch of like pgg filament had gotten kind of stuck on it and they ended he ended up breaking it and i'm just like i'm not even mad this is honestly like such a proud dad moment right now i will buy you a new heating element yeah i don't even care right now yeah i'm just so glad that for the first time in your life you are like dialed the f**k in learning this stuff and like highly interested in it.

3:09:51So he accidentally ordered slightly the wrong size magnets or rather McMaster car was in Imperial and the file was in metric. No, this is great. That's a good lesson. Because my daughter, my middle child is actually more interested in learning the modeling side. And so they don't always interact a ton. There's a couple of year age gap and there's the gender gap. The gender gap is big. And kids socially will tend to be like water or electricity. They will take the path of least resistance very often. So when the two girls are a pretty similar age gap and the girl and the boy are a pretty similar age gap, there's a tendency for the two girls to just do girly things together and for my son to be kind of left out.

3:10:41And so that was such a cool parent moment. She helped him with it. This strategic decision that I made a year ago, because I don't know if you remember this, but the 3D printer was a Christmas present for the whole family with an ulterior motive. I wanted them to learn this stuff. I was going to help them with it until I stopped, until they got into it enough that when I stopped, they'd be motivated to keep it going. And anyway, it was really cool to see them work together and figure out how to modify the model to make the magnets that he ordered work. and it was like ah proud parent moment let's go super cool yeah um yeah so uh i i did warn my son i was like okay you do need to keep this like kind of low profile because otherwise the school could tell you that you're like not allowed to do it anymore that did happen at my there's some kid at my school that had a locker full of like snacks and stuff that he would sell and he got shut down.

3:11:38So the school did send out a memo about a week after I warned him. Cause, cause he was like, Oh yeah, I'm going to like have a bunch of them like hanging off my bag and I'm going to put a sign on my backpack. So, so, um, they sent out a memo to their credit. They were actually pretty chill about it. Not because this is for the entrepreneurship fair. Like this is what he was doing in that picture is official school business. Um, he's also selling snow cones. So Yvonne helped him with that side of it and i've been helping him with the 3d printer side um and so that's like uh that's like an officially sanctioned thing during school hours and then for the for the just like on the side stuff basically what they said was look you can't exchange money during school hours or on school property you can talk about it or on school property yeah but that's fine because you can just step one step off of walk uh out during lunch because you said or both okay and Yeah, and.

3:12:36Okay. So basically, they could just, they just have to, like, arrange to meet after school. And I was like, you know what? That's actually pretty chill. They're not like, you can't talk about it at all. They didn't, like, ban 3D printed fidget toys. That seems reasonable to me. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. That seems totally reasonable. So I told him during the entrepreneurship fair, he should not only sell the fidget toys and stuff, but he should 3D print like little like challenge coins that just have like his name and his grade or something just so that people like know because that's super cheap so that's a marketing expense and just give them out so now you're teaching him about yeah buddy let's go that's sick teaching business what would be kind of neat is if you got him to print some stuff that might be interesting for i'm assuming this business fair whatever thing uh it's not just kids right uh parents are going to uh no it's just kids oh okay yeah never mind then i was gonna say if there was parents going i would like print some stuff that they might be interested in as well then they could place orders through their kids then it might get shut down that would be sick all it takes is one parent to complain oh my god he could set up a really basic website and just have it be like that you reserve an order and then he could bring it to school technically the sale happened through the website he's thought of that and he has a classmate that wants to build the website for him and like partner with him and i'm just like i'm not going to interfere with that because i think he could probably do it himself but i want the classmate to learn too and i want them both to learn that going into business together has advantages about that and disadvantages and relationships are complicated and sometimes can be very fruitful and sometimes can be very challenging these are all just things that like i was a decade from starting to learn when i was his age yeah yeah yeah right like yeah yeah no that's a super valuable super super valuable my thing with the online purchasing is you could just they didn't say anything about distribution so if the payment happened it can be distributed just fine.

3:14:48Yeah, I mean, I don't know exactly what the wording was. Do they have lockers? Yes. Oh, man. Yeah, I like this idea too much. I know, I know, right? It's so cool. Because he could set up a relatively small printer in there, and then if the transaction happened online, he could do like ready to order. That's too far. They would definitely, the second there's an extension cord running into his locker. you could get like a what are these? Jackery or something there's an answer for everything dude there's an answer for all things all things are solvable Aheago says it's just sad that 3D printing is at this point mostly just churning out other people's work and selling it I I would offer an alternate perspective.

3:15:35Coding? Libraries? I mean even Do you write your own random number generator? Let me offer an alternate perspective. We're talking about kids here. The fact that my kids used our 3D printer exclusively as a toy factory, just printing other people's designs, in this case, selling them, you could see that as a bad thing. But let me pitch the... You have to get your feet wet somewhere. Let me pitch the education angle. They were never going to have to learn to widen that magnet mount hole if they didn't have someone order someone else's design. Dude, the collaborative aspects of that is so freaking cool.

3:16:24And they're never going to learn to make a better magazine that goes into the gun design better if they never learned to widen that hole. and they're never going to create their own, you know, elastic gun design from scratch if they never made that magazine modification or built a cool accessory that goes on the rail. You have to start somewhere. It could end up turning into a thing where your daughter's fun, cool toy design models end up being what your son is like peddling at school. And there's some form of like profit sharing agreement between the two or something. Who knows? Like it's all paths from here are pretty cool, except for a path where it gets fully shut down.

3:17:08And I'm happy that the school, you know, did a fairly reasonable thing. I'm being like, you know what? Don't sell these on ours. Don't overdo it. Yeah. Which seems totally reasonable. Pump the brakes. But I'm happy that they didn't completely shut it down. Because I mean, there's weird aspects of that too, right? Because like we're sitting here thinking of ways that he can kind of work around it. That is part of business. making sure that you can operate as optimally as possible but not break the rules is literally part of running business um so like is actually a good lesson for him to understand that like if he pushes it too far they have the power to shut him down so he shouldn't do that yeah but it is a reasonable thing to push it a little bit and like try to try to do what he can um i think this is amazing i heard this concept not all these details but i heard the concept and like immediately basically begged that there would be a video and they're like yeah yeah yeah it's probably gonna be i was like thank god so moomens are real says so are you suggesting that scraping for ai was good because they had to start somewhere so incredibly unrelated that is that is such a literally not stealing it's such a bad faith comparison so many levels now hold on though because there are a lot of models i'm bothered hold on a lot of there are a lot of models on these marketplaces that are not approved for commercial use but however we are explicitly in this case we are explicitly talking about small-scale student use which okay is it commercial yeah but there's degrees of commercial use and there are there's there's nuance guys well are the models that he's using with that license legitimately don't know okay kind of don't care yeah to be honest with i don't really either but they might also just not be they also might just not be i i agree there are a bunch of models that are like that they're also a bunch of models that just don't care at all.

3:18:55And look, over time, if he scales this thing up and all of a sudden he's like selling online and selling, you know, thousands of gadgets a week. He's going to need to make sure he's playing by the rules. Then he's going to need to make sure that he's playing by the rules. But when we're talking about, you know, a company like OpenAI or Perplexity, companies that, you know, have millions upon millions or billions of dollars of seed funding, guys, we're talking about a totally different thing. We're not talking about a kid in their basement printing 3D printed models and taking them to school and selling them for$4.

3:19:23Right? Like we've, context does matter. And I know that's a really hard concept for people, but it does matter. It does matter a lot. And the world is not black and white. All right.

3:19:46Oh yeah. You know what? I don't really think that talking about the podcast I was on matters that much. But what is an interesting conversation, I was on like an interview. Hold on. Let me see if I can find it. Yeah. Yeah, there we go. I did an interview with John Yushe. Is this not the podcast? Yeah, this is it. Oh, okay. Yeah, and quite a few people were very confused and some very upset by this. Wait, they were upset by it? Yeah. I can understand being confused. I don't understand being upset. Yeah, so YouTube has a new feature. Yeah, it's cool. That allows a channel to collaborate with another channel.

3:20:41Yeah, it's like awesome. Like through the platform. Well, hold on, hold on, because there's alternate perspectives here. to collaborate through the platform and publish a video to the subscriber feed of the channel that they collaborated with. Oh. Yeah. That's why they're upset. I didn't know it did that. So that's where things get a little bit interesting. Is there a way for me to search? Can I find all the comments that I... Nope. I'm personally still okay with that, but I also understand why that would bother people. That's irritating. This is going to be a pretty hard thing for me to find here then, because I ran into someone that was very upset about this feature, and I just legitimately was like, I would like to know more about your perspective, because you have extremely strong feelings about this, and I don't really get it.

3:21:39I'm going to see if I can find it because they in some ways kind of raised an interesting point but in other ways I think are maybe not necessarily considering the shades of grey I guess so on the one hand their black and white point that I can agree with is that I didn't subscribe to this channel get the f*** out of my feed. Yeah I understand that fair valid oh good I found the comment it would just be kind of cool if there's when you go to your subscription feed if there was a like checkbox option thing to like no longer show collaborations so here's buddy's comment I hate hate hate the collab feature on YouTube and 9 out of 10 I will not watch the video out of spite for this feature we should not be getting videos from a creator and our subscribe feed from people we are not subscribed to with that said I don't know this podcast, but I am interested in Linus getting interviewed because it happens so seldomly I mean, he's not afraid to say whatever the f**k he wants on his own channel Especially when any who back to the show So I said this seems like a super weird hill to die on I'm interested to understand more about your stance you subscribed to a creator me I assume in this case and YouTube made a feature that notifies you when I'm in a video I honestly don't see the problem with it.

3:22:54Can you help me out? Okay, so here's how open of you Very very very nice. Well, no, I just have a reasonable comment, sir I'm not being sarcastic I did call him super weird I'm still mean Did you say he was super weird? I said it's a super weird hill Yeah But I mean he's dying on it so I think the implication was clear I think you're being super weird about this That's kind of what I was saying But I genuinely Genuinely It felt like you were genuinely open to see their perspective Well I didn't think I didn't think he was coming at it in bad faith Yeah I could tell he was legitimately upset Yeah That he wasn't making assumptions or sweeping generalizations, as far as I could tell.

3:23:37So here's what he said, okay? The example that started this collab feature was Mark Rober and Mr. Beast. And that is fair enough. I think they were the first ones to get access to this feature. I think they launched it with the Clean Up the Ocean collab earlier this year. Sure, yeah. Don't quote me on that, though. But I believe they have used it. I have a problem with Mr. Beast and his practices. MrBeast has since been shoved down my throat multiple times because he collabs with creators I love watching But I don't want to watch a MrBeast video. I specifically have him blocked for a reason I shouldn't be forced to see his face or videos in my subscriber feed.

3:24:10You have him blocked. Yeah, it shouldn't show And that is why I wanted to know more because I could tell we were going somewhere with this Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I agree a hundred percent YouTube needs to fix this. Yeah, that seems simple to fix. It's one thing to to feed me a video of a person that i subscribe to even if they're on someone else's channel yeah it is an entirely other thing if i have explicitly said do not show me the collaboration so simple to fix though well they probably just didn't think of it and we and it just needs to yeah be properly communicated very slow machine needs to eventually turn out the fix and it'll happen i'm sure um i've been dying on this hill for the months this feature has existed.

3:24:55It's a long death. I'm pretty sure I've said it in your comment section a few times in the WAN comment section if you happen to mention it. I didn't see it before. Sorry jcerio187. Thanks for taking the time to recognize it. Also, I think it should be your or the collaborator's responsibility to show me slash advertise this content. Put a post up on your socials or on the YouTube feed. Hey, I made this thing with this person. Check it out or don't. So, here's where I'm going to kind of go counterpoint jcerio. I wish I had that power i don't if i post something on like the linus tech tips community tab or if i post a short or something if it doesn't resonate strongly with the audience especially with how sensitive algorithmically youtube has been lately to things just being either mega bangers or absolute flops it will have like zero reach you won't see it and so youtube took away my power to to promote these things myself a really long time ago algorithmically so what they're doing is they're they're giving me back the scraps they're giving me the ability or they're giving another creator the ability to to properly cross pollinate in a way that we haven't had for a long time and i totally get it if you have a channel blocked like if you had this john guy you know if you hate his channel or something or in your case it was mr beast it wasn't johnny i can't see anything to hate about john here but um but if in your case it was mr beast if you have a channel explicitly blocked that you have a do not show flag you should never see it you should never see it i agree with you a hundred percent.

3:26:37That's something YouTube needs to fix, but your suggestion that I just sort of promote things myself. I wish I could, I hate that. I can't, that I can't publish something and, and be trusted to, to not spam my viewers with stuff they don't want to see to, to actually have the power to push a notification to the people who click subscribe and just let them unsubscribe if they don't want to see it. But YouTube determined a long time ago that for their business interests, which are maximizing watch time and maximizing ad and premium revenue, it was better for them to just, because they knew that users were just going to be too lazy to unsubscribe to a channel they didn't want to hear from, and they were just going to turn off YouTube notifications.

3:27:24That's where it came from. That's what this all goes back to, is users, instead of unsubscribing from stuff they don't want to see, they would just turn off notifications. And YouTube doesn't want that. So they determined it was better for them to decide how often to give you a notification from my channel. They took that power away from me a long time ago. So yeah, last thing I said was, okay, hey, thanks for elaborating. I still think it's a little overkill to want to remove a feature from the platform because there's one specific creator you're trying to avoid. I also agree with your general sentiment that as a viewer, you should be able to control the content that is fed to you.

3:28:01The part I don't agree with is that this is any worse than basically anything else YouTube has done algorithm-wise over the last five to ten years. The short shelf being in my way all the time or the utterly broken search that's full of stuff I've already watched and stuff I'm not looking for are so much worse IMO. Anyway, look at that. Look at that. A respectful interaction on the internet. We should have it bronzed. um i i learned something and i hopefully js learned something as well this is i was scrolling through the youtubes while you're talking about that i just have you know the account that's logged in for uh the the wan show here i just noticed something random in the recommendations which was a 13 year old nvidia video a four year old delta highlights video a 15 year old white 546 video

3:28:5213 days, 2 months 12 year old video 8 years ago, 16 years ago What's happening? Why is this account recommended just like the oldest stuff ever? Maybe it just knows you're old Maybe this is the equivalent of Spotify's Your Listener Age feature I'll go seems to have changed in the last few days I've noticed my feed get really weird again It did somehow pick up that I would want to see the fact I am Gabe Newell? Well, no, that would want to see this one. Sky Blooming Delayed at 2026. So they know that about me somehow, even though it's not even like really my, I guess it sort of is my account. You search for stuff sometimes.

3:29:33But I don't watch it. It's just on WAN Show. No, but you search for stuff in this Chrome profile that is related to what we talk about on WAN. So maybe we talked about Sky Blooming. We probably did. Luke. We probably did. Luke. We did. Thank you.

3:29:52it happened uh is that it for topics uh yeah i think so anyway uh you can go check out the interview if you want um a lot of ground has been tread before on the wan show but it's a more concise version of a lot of it you don't have to watch like a thousand hours of wan show you could just watch the one interview and he was really nice very accommodating host um yeah Super cool. I've met him for the first time at VidSummit. That was where we, it was actually, I was, I saw a couple of complaints on his channel. It's amazing how spoiled people can get because his channel generally looks really great.

3:30:28So I saw some complaints about his set and it's like, bro, they managed to make it look that good in a conference room. I was like I was marveling Yeah at what he and his team pulled off And like their amazing attention To detail and meanwhile People are like complaining about it Yeah I was like I was like great job you guys This looks this looks swell This was just in like An ugly you know how every conference room Has to be like tan and brown Yeah we were just in like an ugly Tan brown they brought in a rug To zhuzh it up a little bit Brought in some plants they got the lighting I thought they did a great job I didn't think it was in a studio I didn't know where you were I picked up the vibe pretty quick we were in a horrible meeting room at a hotel or in a conference center I didn't see much of it great job

3:31:21alright Dan I think it's time it's when after dark except it's the afternoon light out there I don't know how to deal with this I don't know how to deal with this yeah it's a little weird there's other connotations yeah we don't go outside yeah how about some merch messages yes i'd love that okie dokie first time catching a show between work and being sabbath observant in my community sundown friday hold on wait i'm a little confused can we slow down for a second i thought you're allowed to recreate wait are you not allowed to use computers well it's not friday sundown yet no no i know but just like the sabbath in general i don't know the rules no yeah but is yeah but is watching a podcast work turning on a light is work is he calling us work no no i know it's rude right though it's rude okay oh wait wait wait wait tell me this tell me this okay okay again this is coming from a place of complete ignorance i have no idea how the rules work all i know is that sometimes my bnh orders wouldn't ship on time that's literally all i know so don't they have a wire for that but if i if if you created a script that would like that would that would turn on your tv tomorrow no what i'm just asking this is a whole line of technology this is a whole thing we can get into really uh shut up uh so i could i could push a button today on friday and then it could run a script that has a time delay to turn on the show like tomorrow and then and then we'll turn it off when it's over like would that would that count i think that's a thing like i'm pretty yeah i've heard of like ovens that will turn on to preheat at a scheduled time and then you can have dinner you can do stuff like that like it's uh You do a crock part.

3:33:19You start it in the morning. Yeah. There's special elevators that stop on every floor so that you don't have to press a button. Yeah, you're not interacting with it. It just stops, opens the door for a certain period of time and then keeps going.

3:33:38Yeah. There's a lot of technological workarounds. Huh. Okay. Interesting. It's a whole industry, apparently. Wow. This kind of reminds me of the... Apparently, electrical timers are like a huge deal for this.

3:34:05This kind of reminds me of the... I think they're called halal mortgages. I learned about this a while ago. Because you're not allowed to have a loan. or no you're not allowed to pay or receive interest in islam so instead of a loan it's an asset-backed partnership or at least to own agreement apparently they cost like way more nice yeah uh anyway i just love the name of this but one of them is called the shabub

3:34:47uh it's a light bulb that fits like any lamp can be turned on and off on shabbat uh apparently a toggle on the led bulb allows users to make it go dark by concealing led diodes that actually stay on unlike other shabbat friendly lamps on the market the shabob fits any socket can be used in a regular lamp. It's probably my least profitable item, but people love this product, says Mordecai. You can use it during the week. You don't have to have a clunky lamp you have to take out, especially for Shabbos. Yeah, there's just like the Shabbos mode ovens. Huh. Alright. Wow. What a technology branch of technology.

3:35:32I've also heard people accidentally setting it into the wrong mode and then they can't use their oven all weekend so you can't use it accidentally yeah right right right right yeah like i was trying to set it to cleaning mode and now it's just broken now now i want to learn more about these rules right like it's pretty cool it's pretty cool okay okay my so my oma had a lamp that didn't have like a switch it was like the touch to dim remember those those were so cool how are those not in fashion anymore anyway the point is like it was still have one yeah it was like a touch to dim is that a switch does that count what if you accidentally bump it oh well i don't know i don't know i literally i don't know i don't know does that are you what about voice control like is that a thing speaking is work but then does that mean that you can't speak ever i'd say yes because you still operate no this is not your debate guys i'm not debating anything I'm asking questions.

3:36:32Yeah. Chill, master of none. It's okay. It's okay. Clap on? I don't know. Tim says I'd say yes, because you still operate the device. Yeah, because you're not operating the elevator by just getting on it and getting off. Right. You're not instructing it to do anything. Right. Closing a blind, like closing the shutters on your LED bulb, I guess. Yeah. Right? That's why they don't turn on or off. You're just kind of like blocking the light. You're affecting the result. Uh-huh. But you're not actually commanding the device to do something different, I guess. Fascinating. Anyway. Yeah. The question is, have you ever done a full tech detox?

3:37:14Hold on, hold on. Lucky Drive says, my girlfriend is Jewish. If you bump into it, it doesn't count as it wasn't intended. If it's genuinely not intended, I think that makes a lot of sense. But are you allowed to turn it back off?

3:37:27I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. All right. All right. All right. Okay. sorry dan go ahead have you ever done a full no we haven't even started this merch message no i didn't even i didn't get halfway through it wow okay have you ever done a full tech detox i have unintentionally um no no i uh i like tech i should probably try it how how long would it have to be to truly be a detox i don't know it's 30 minutes i'm already shaking i i think if it's less than a week you haven't even really like tried yeah my biggest problem with this stuff is work uh emma proposed like we should pick a day on the weekend where we don't do any got excited there oh uh emma suggested that we do a a day on the weekend where we don't use any electronics and i was like yeah i mean that's neat but if something happens i like need to be able to be in contact that that is such an asshole way to respond to someone's suggestion that's neat it is actually like a cool idea i just can't do it it's a cool idea i like it's i would i would genuinely like to and i i suggested we do like severely limited or something but like what would that even look like smart watch i don't think i can actually just i i don't think i can actually just completely cold turkey it because of work stuff and like part of my big issue is that when i'm bored what i would probably like to do is just do some work stuff.

3:39:08It's kind of my hobby. That happens to me too. Yeah, but that's the point of digital detox. I can do something else though. That's the point, is that you're supposed to just not. I am certain I can do something else. Okay, okay, tell you what.

3:39:252026, let's do it. Do what? Let's do a couple's weekend. No tech. That's going to be a problem. If neither of us can be contacted. Doesn't matter. Also, Yvonne, don't forget Yvonne. Oh, God. Yeah, I know. I can probably set up enough contact lines that things could get figured out. Or hear me out. This is crazy. You could set a vacation responder on your email for the first time ever. Never. I know. I know. But you could try it. You could try it. Never. Mostly really emergency stuff isn't going to be email, though. Let's do it. It'll be Slack and Teams. No, let's do it. Let's do it. one weekend one weekend i can do one weekend we'll do one weekend we can make one weekend i'm sending this to yvonne which means you know what will happen now it's not just words yvonne's involved i can do one weekend i've effectively had to do one weekend because i won't have service for the weekend and stuff um yeah i'm actually still live comma but luke and i well bloody hell i'm actually still live comma but luke and i made a pact just now that we are going to do a couple's digital detox for one weekend next year so that means from midnight on friday to midnight on sunday night no tech i think it's i think it's wan show ending uh yeah i could i could get it well because friday night's the weekend in my opinion interesting okay uh well we can debate that later i don't want to like get into a long sure text yeah i could get behind that i could get behind that so we turn off when show and then we touch no electronic switches and no screens no electronic switches i think we can turn lights on and stuff i mean is it technology or not okay all right you know what no it's you know what i i'm down we got to do candles and stuff i'm down they asked digital detox so how about microchip how about we draw the line at microchip i'm thinking screen A lot of modern...

3:41:28Yeah. Screen or microchips? A lot of modern lights have microchips in them. Your light switches are like... Our vehicles have microchips in them. You walk past them and they turn on. Ah, okay. I mean, your vehicle has a screen in it too. Am I not going to be able to drive? No, no. Stop. I think you're overthinking this a little bit, but you can't listen to the radio in your car. Really? I like that. No maps. No, like... I like that. No, no nothing. Can I have a paper map? I can have a paper map. Can I have a paper map? Yes. Can I print the paper map? Yeah. If you do it Friday. Okay. Interesting.

3:42:03Interesting. Yeah. You know, preheat the oven. You can use your oven. I don't care. I think you can use the oven. You can't watch a podcast or listen to music. I think it's like modern services, effectively. Like, you can't use your phone at all. No entertainment from a digital device. You can't use your laptop at all. No assistance from a digital device. That sort of thing. You can't use your TV at all. Yeah. Can't use something that's like a monitor. Can I read a book? If it's on a Kindle. No. No. You have to read a paper book. No, no, it's good. I'm just checking. We want to find out. We're finding the lines.

3:42:32Where are the lines? What if I preloaded? What if I pre... Okay, hold on. You said that I'm allowed to preprint a map. Yes. What if I had 100 Kindles and I preloaded 100 pages on it? No, no, no. You have to print it. Okay, okay. I have to print the book. Print the book, yeah. Curse you, DRM! I won't be able to. There's lots of DRM-free books, actually. By the way, LuckyDrive1984 says, if you accidentally bump into it and turn it on, you cannot turn it back off, unfortunately. Yeah, that sounds right. So I did get my answer on that. All right, Dan, what's next? Hey, LLD. Linus, you've talked a lot about inventory of your products, and I was curious.

3:43:07Why can't you just order a lot of it, store it in a warehouse, till it sells out? Cheers from the Netherlands. Money, money, money, money! It's such an innocent question. I know, right? Money! Money, money, money! But it's a complaint that our... Money, money, money! Yeah. Money. As it turns out, I do not have unlimited money. What? I know. We should do something to fix this. My illusion is shattered. Mine too. If you had stock, you would have more money. I thought I did. It's catch 22. It was all digital. Yeah. That's a good point. It's an infinite money glitch. The more stock I buy, the more money I have.

3:43:51You see this chicken? It's made of chicken. One of the biggest challenges moving from a small business to a mid-sized business and then beyond. One of the things that really scales in difficulty is managing your cash flow. Not your profitability. You can be a profitable business. And still be out of money. That goes out of business because you didn't correctly manage your cash flow. Because you ended up with warehouses full of inventory that are not turning fast enough. And you end up with more bills due than you have money left to pay them. All of a sudden you fall behind on your payroll, which is the single most important bill that you need to pay every two weeks.

3:44:40And that's it. you're cooked because maybe you're in an industry where no amount of discounting i don't know giant copper rods is going to make enough new infrastructure projects that more people are going to buy them like i don't know what industry you're in in some industries you can just you can just torch your inventory not not literally light it on fire but you can just go really aggressive on the pricing you can move through a bunch of it you can generate some cash flow you get your You get your payroll paid. You get, you know, maybe you're a little behind on your taxes as well. You get that dealt with.

3:45:14You go a little more conservative on your reorder and you can get your feet back under you, right? But especially a business that is scaling, that is growing, can run into trouble because it's easy to look at your sales, right? and go, oh, wow, we sold twice as many this quarter as we did last quarter. I project that we're going to sell twice as many again the next quarter. So you take all the money that you got back from that inventory that you bought and then sold, all the money you made on top of that, and you put it right back into buying more inventory. Well, hold on a second. What happened to all the profit?

3:45:57I can't pay my staff in screwdrivers and hoodies. perk sure but payment no they can't pay their rent they can't pay their food bill and screw drivers that's not how it works right so you have to carefully as you are growing manage your cash flows so you're keeping enough of the profitability to cover your operating expenses and you are keeping enough of it to order more so that you have enough inventory for your growing business And this is why a lot of businesses take on outside debt. We have made the decision to grow organically, to not take on outside debt. As it happens right now, we do have a modest line of credit.

3:46:41And this is maybe going to sound a little out of touch, but we have about two and a half million Canadian dollars on our line of credit, if you must know. And that was part of the lead up to Black Friday, Cyber Monday, because we ordered in a whack ton of inventory alongside having some expensive outlays like the tech house and some other stuff that I'll get into fairly soon with you guys that all kind of hit us toward the middle to the end of 2025. And so for that reason, we had to dip into our line of credit, probably looking at how Black Friday went. We won't need that line of credit for much longer, but it's just part of managing your cash flow.

3:47:18And if for whatever reason your credit's not strong or is not pre-negotiated even, then it can be a big problem, even if you're growing, even if you're profitable. So why can't I just order a bunch and put it in a warehouse till it sells out in Europe, which is where I assume you want it because you're saying cheers from the Netherlands. Not only, right, am I going to be tying up cash flow if I order too much, but what I could also be doing is I could be increasing my month to month operational expenses. Then it's a double whammy. That's really tough because I have a whole bunch of bills due for all this inventory that I purchased.

3:47:58It's sitting in a warehouse that now, guess what? But now I have to pay monthly, in some cases more frequently than monthly, for the storage of said inventory in said warehouse. Everybody at every stage in the chain has to feed their families, right? So I can't just tell that warehouse, oh, well, you should just store it for me for free. Why should they? I'm not a charity. They don't owe me anything. so unfortunately it's always a fine balancing act when you're expanding between what you are forecasting for your sales how much available cash flow you have and you know what what your partners can do to help to enable you to achieve your growth what kind of credit you can draw from it's complicated we'd love to have an eu warehouse we'd love to it would be nice someday you know whatever entity is willing we will but it is not this day no

3:49:04what's up boys Linus are there new sweatpants hold on one sec Mr. Nebbe says making 22 million in AdSense last year 2.5 million of credit is nothing That$22 million AdSense was all time. That's over the entire existence of the LTT channel. Since 2008? I saw quite a few people who were sort of confused by that from the interview. That was ever. Not in one year. Okay, go ahead. Sorry. What's up, boys? Linus, are there new sweatpants coming soon? Missed the stealth ones. I guess Mr. Cheap over there got them all. New sweatpants coming soon? I think we have some new sweatpants coming. I don't have a time frame on those but if we do it will probably be in like winter spring so should be you know sometime we'll definitely make sweatpants again at some point there's the dropout sweatpants are those yeah I don't think we have all the sizes in stock we oh I don't think the thing is showing properly and another challenge with having different distribution centers around the world you're looking at one site that doesn't necessarily mean that the other site has them in stock fun times challenges

3:50:17next one did sure thing um do you have any stretches of road that you like to drive on the bike i unfortunately just i haven't ridden my motorbike in three years i hopefully they are going to put it together this winter and i will ride it in the spring um for me it's less about like a particular road and it's more just like air you know and the and the agility i love just i love the i love the space you have you can create a lot of space for yourself on the motorbike like i uh my justification to myself and you can call it rationalization i don't care i won't be offended um but it's very clear that on a motorbike if you get in an accident you are very much more dead than you would be necessarily if you're a cager um however gosh darn any terminology yeah however you can create a lot more buffer space for yourself on a motorcycle than you can in a car and so you know i can when i'm passing i can create like nine feet of space between me and any other vehicle whereas in a car i'll be more like three feet away so if someone is behaving in an unpredictable fashion, I think I'm less likely to be obstructed by them in any way and end up in an accident on a bike, even if the consequences of said accident will be much worse on a bike.

3:51:43That is a tough line of thinking. You are entitled to it? I'm a super defensive rider. I can tell you that much. You are entitled to it? I create extra space for myself. I never want to be beside someone when I'm on the bike. I'm always watching 360. and it is it is easier it's you have way better visibility you're way smaller yeah scrap you saying t-bones don't care yeah there's a there's a decent amount of scenarios that's so true you can't correct for that's so true yep i believe that you do those things yep and i believe that that you know probably makes you safer than a lot of riders but i there are also just things that you know and a big part of it is the car go fast hit go boom there's a big part of it is the environment that i ride into like i mostly just commute to and from work highway there and back um and so if if i was if i was in a different environment it might be a completely different situation so just make of that what you will right like i'm not saying that anything about my experience is applicable to your own just set up my nas why is raid zero with all used SSDs and no off-site backup, the safest layout.

3:52:56Thank you for MCM. The argument that Linus was just having, you know, if you're going RAID 0 all SSDs, used SSDs, you're going to pay more attention to your setup, be a little bit more aware if anything is failing. I'm archiving this. Just be, you know, you're going to be more careful. How could you curate that, Dan? What? What the heck? Fine. Hi, LLD. First time watching live from France. Thanks to the earlier schedule. Schedule? I don't know what I'm supposed to say anymore. You've mentioned many times that Sony PlayStation's controllers are much inferior to Microsoft slash Xboxes. Can you explain why?

3:53:39So, first of all, the DualSense is amazing. but going back to the DualShock series personally I and Luke from his hand gestures agrees I prefer to have my thumbs in a symmetrical resting position so I'm on my ABXY here and I'm on my analog stick here I do not prefer to be on my triangle, circle, square whatever the last one is here and then on my thumbstick here. I do not prefer that as my resting position. Yep. I'm not primarying the D-pad. That simple. Yep. Last one I got for you today. Good day, Lanky, Lukey, and Dan. I don't have a special name. What is the best way to determine if a GPU is going bad?

3:54:32I have a 3060 Ti in my HP Omen desktop, and lately it seems like it's struggling with basic things like YouTube. I'd probably run a stress test, run Firmark on it or something like that, see if it artifacts um check if there's dust check your temperatures yeah maybe repaste it 3000 series yep i mean you're not going to be losing your warranty on it at this point so yep might as well give it a shot um i would definitely uh hit your system with a ddu just google ddu and give a little freshening up and then install your drivers fresh see if the issues go away failing that i would try a fresh windows install it's a 36 dti so we're probably talking like a seven-year-old eight-year-old windows install by this point um and then if you're still having issues then yeah it might be it might be a problem

3:55:18all right well hey thanks for tuning in you guys we'll see you again next week same bad time well probably probably back to the regular time next week but definitely same bad channel probably yeah bye

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