Why Is Roblox Shielding Child Predators? - WAN Show August 15, 2025

14:02Luke Lafreniere:So, yeah, I made the assumption based on the spelling that it had a French origin, which I was wrong about. And then if it had a French origin, my pronunciation wouldn't have been outlandish. I will keep that in mind. you guys have successfully vigilante justiced me and enforced the law of English.

14:23Linus Sebastian:Someone in Tulpenshot, Kuro, said, that is like saying calling in a tip is vigilantism. And I don't think that is the equivalent. No, it's not. At all.

14:34Luke Lafreniere:Because you are actively engaging with the individual. So, I mean, I think it's more akin to seeing someone behaving suspiciously and then like following them in your car while you're like on the phone with the police with their hands free because it's 2025. And like, you know, trying to like help them round them up. Like, or even going as far as like kind of steering them in one direction versus another direction. I remember one time literally driving home.

15:06Linus Sebastian:Cops will tell you not to do, generally speaking, from my understanding. Exactly. So I was driving home from here one time. Yeah. And there was an obviously drunk driver who, if I remember correctly, they even like bumped a median at some point. Stuff like they were very obviously drunk. This was not distracted driving. This was impaired driving. And I called it in and I was giving them updates on like where they were. And they were like, this is a weird traffic pattern. Are you following them? And then my brain was like calculating. And I was like, no. I am going home and I'm afraid to pass them.

15:41Linus Sebastian:Yeah, something, something. And the person on the phone was like, hmm, okay. And then I was like, yeah, I suspect I won't be able to keep giving you tabs on that. Cause like, I am going to not be able to see them for long. And they were like, okay. And then I kept following them for going home for like, I think a minute or two. And then was like, this is going to get bad. So I just bailed. But I bet you they were never caught because I had to bail. Because, like, I was, it was very clear I was going to get in trouble. I'm a little surprised at how. For not following them.

16:17Luke Lafreniere:I'm a little surprised at how little we've seen law enforcement use just, like, cheap consumer drones for stuff like this. Like, in cases where, you know, there's a really egregious speeding offense or where a high-profile suspect is fleeing. like they'll pull out a helicopter to like chase them and it's like okay but like what if there was a middle what if there was somewhere in between car and helicopter and to be clear i

16:45Linus Sebastian:know it is a thing i just mean i'm surprised they don't do it more no i don't remember where i thought it was in the uk but i'm not sure where it is they have like a a drone unit and they have like a tower somewhere in the city where they launch the drones from um and it's like a whole thing but i don't remember where oh interesting i don't remember where it is i watched like a little mini doc on

17:05Luke Lafreniere:it um lobster says the range on them is just not that great but like i mean yeah it doesn't have to be that great like they're so low cost uh if you just had like a little landing pad on like these days unlike every police station yeah like i to be to be clear i'm not i'm not saying compared to literally sending out a helicopter one time. Beto 588 says they do it lots in California apparently.

17:33Linus Sebastian:Yeah and I was I don't know if this is the one I was talking about but I was right apparently the UK does have like a drone unit.

17:39Luke Lafreniere:Yeah and Kill Ninja says they do drones when the perp is on foot so it might be like a speed issue then. Interesting. Yeah okay Florida's rolling them out as well as some other places. There you go.

17:56Luke Lafreniere:at ZM says, helicopter maintenance is expensive. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. Exactly.

18:01Linus Sebastian:You send out the helicopter one time and you could have bought a bunch of drones. Yeah. To be honest.

18:09Luke Lafreniere:All right. Anyway, back to the topic. Anyway, in Schlepp's video, he explains why he does this. It starts because he cares about Roblox, since it was not only his favorite game growing up, but also because he met his current girlfriend through the platform, so it has kind of a special place in his heart. But, and this is where things get a little bit more kind of real, it's also because when he was playing when he was younger, he was a victim of some of these predators. So he feels it's right to make sure that no child goes through the same thing. Schlepp is now banned from ever accessing Roblox again, even on his family-friendly channel where he just casually plays the game.

18:51Luke Lafreniere:if you are interested in learning more and doing some research for yourself he has a website schlep.tv where you can support his content over there as he continues on this journey here's some extra roblox stats according to the demand sage.com 380 million monthly active users 85.3 million daily active users now i do suspect that's a little juiced um i i was looking at I've heard some stats. It's like more than half juiced. My son's computer, like his monitor wasn't off when he was away at camp for a week. And I was like, why isn't his monitor turning off? So I went to go like power CFG, like what's keeping it away?

19:32Luke Lafreniere:And I was like, oh, there is a dragged down like idle game in the bottom corner. So like, I mean, if there's a lot of that going on. Which there certainly is. Which there certainly is, then this may not be quite...

19:48Linus Sebastian:It's also, as far as I know, super botted. I mean, everything is these days, but...

19:56Luke Lafreniere:But there's an estimated 32.5 million of those 85 million daily active users that are supposed to be, apparently, under the age of 13. Wow. So our discussion question, then, is Chris Hansen wildly increased the popularity of vigilantism against child predators and for many years now we've seen people on all sorts of platforms like twitch kick roblox youtube etc attempt to do the same thing here's here's a question though is chris hansen a vigilante because he the cops would arrest the

20:31Linus Sebastian:person as far as my understanding goes chris hansen never touched anybody yeah he just talked

20:36Luke Lafreniere:to them yeah no i i i would i would say no i don't know like what the the legal line is but what he sure as heck isn't is a law enforcement officer totally so he didn't enforce the law either i certainly see i certainly see why people would draw a parallel so i can say that much he he like detected he found he didn't enforce but then i would did it in direct association with law enforcement rather than doing it and then turning over data but then is that just are we basically saying hey law enforcement needs to kind of get it together and work with people on this then like if if people are willing to do it for free and all they have to do is kind of have a department that is like overseeing it hey yeah sure well but then they're they might be responsible for what some of these people do and some of them are like deeply not okay oh yeah um okay i wasn't finished my discussion question though okay the discussion question is a is a spicy one are you in support of vigilantism or do you agree with the stance of roblox and others that doing this often leads to no actual charges uh because of doing this like because you are not necessarily like doing it properly it can it can make it difficult to charge these people

22:05Linus Sebastian:hold on hasn't he been successful by he has been successful in working with local police

22:16Luke Lafreniere:so that's just not true he has been but that's but but to be clear we're talking more broadly more broadly speaking a lot of the times this kind of vigilantism can create problems with the legal case that can allow these people to walk free i think one big problem with this

22:31Linus Sebastian:question in general is that it's such a any group that you can freely join or enter without anyone's input at all is a problem yeah always yep because any bad actor can join and do things under the banner at any time and And especially a thing like this where the banner is, hey, we are trying to do a objectively universal good, which is stopping children from being preyed upon. Yep. That banner is a pretty neato banner for someone with bad intentions to go, oh, I was doing good things. So like it's dangerous. It's hard to say universally, yes, this is okay. People should do it. I think it would be really great if there was programs where you could work with the cops and they were overseeing what you were doing and they had to be able to have access to all of your chat logs and everything and all that kind of stuff and make sure that it was all above board because I think things could go bad quick and you should be if you do bad things while doing that you should get in trouble just like anyone else would yeah yeah man this is this is tough because they're as far as my understanding goes there have been genuinely innocent people caught and lives ruined over uh you know whatever assumptions um i don't know how much that's people hiding behind that yeah it's hard because their case got thrown out of court because something happened incorrectly and then they said oh it got thrown out of court that means i'm innocent but do process if they're not as inconvenient as it might be does it is very important yeah i so that's why i i i when i hear this thing of like he's not actually doing any of the enforcement he's just gathering chat logs and handing over over to the police and it has been successful to me that's like huge w

24:35Luke Lafreniere:jamie jamie cullen says had a neighbor get questioned live on facebook by a predator hunter group false accusations ruined him and hopefully your neighbor actually wasn't involved in any of that stuff and you know i don't i don't know i wasn't i wasn't there i i didn't didn't see any of it um but if that's the case that's that's horrible that is a that is a completely unacceptable collateral damage outcome like you can't you can't blow up hospitals because a couple of bad

25:08Linus Sebastian:guys might be in there well it's true yeah yeah i no i agree so like it's uh that's where it gets not everyone agrees

25:23Luke Lafreniere:yeah i think that's as close as we're gonna get to that topic literally ever

25:30yeah but i mean uh that's um it's it does make it tough i think it would be good

25:38Linus Sebastian:if there are routes um because like neighborhood watches are a sanctioned thing right Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's true. Like, there are versions of this. Yeah, what's the... So why don't we just do it?

25:50Luke Lafreniere:What's the neighborhood watch equivalent of that? I don't know. I don't know either. Because that's totally a thing. And, like, there's things as the neighborhood watch that you can't do. Because, like, you could make the argument... Because the neighborhood watch, you're in your home, right? So there's a certain sort of, like, property...

26:07Linus Sebastian:You're not just in your home. They do patrols and stuff. They do patrols? Some of them do patrols. They'll walk through alleys and stuff.

26:13Luke Lafreniere:Sorry, I don't necessarily mean your personal property. Like, I mean, you're on your turf. Like, there's almost like a stand your ground. I understand. I misunderstood. I got it. Home defense element of it. But, like, why wouldn't that necessarily extend to my online domain? And I don't mean a literal domain, like.com. I mean, like, my online, I don't know. I don't know how to describe it other than my turf, my zone, my chill hangouts, you know?

26:46Linus Sebastian:Yeah, to add to this, Binky Draws said, and I love this story. Well, it's not a good story, but it's a very interesting one, and I reference it all the time. Reddit has a famous story where they went after a kid they thought did the Boston bombings, but it turns out the kid committed suicide unrelated to the event, and Reddit started going after their family. That's the whole we did it Reddit reference. Yeah, I know. Like, yeah, that was brutal. There are clear and obvious downsides to just like deciding that somebody did something without going through any form of like real proper process and then social justicing the heck out of them when they possibly didn't do it.

27:25Linus Sebastian:Like it's rough. that being said I like the idea if they're going to work with law enforcement and they're going to try to do it as properly as you can no system's ever going to be perfect but if they genuinely try to do it as properly as they can from what I've read it sounds like Schlepp is doing that I think that's cool so I'm not going to say a blanket like vigilante justice is good so you don't stand with Spider-Man see but I would so that's for sure yeah but not all these people are spider-man which is the problem right some of these people are terrible people going oh there's a banner that makes everyone think i'm good and then acting terribly that is absolutely a thing that's happening so it's it's a it's touchy ground i think a sanctioned sanctioned group would be cool having like they should even go you know the old like neighborhood watch signage that like looked kind of cool yeah they should do that and make it like the guy with the hat or whatever right yeah yeah yeah yeah they should do they should do that and make it like or similar to that and make it like internet watch

28:34Luke Lafreniere:watch sign hold on okay apparently there's a movie called that yeah yeah yeah the guy that looked like a canadian yeah hey buddy that's his jacket get out of here guy but i do agree

28:50Linus Sebastian:yeah that I'm gonna do crime but yeah that logo was sick do like something kind of similar to that but make them like add a computer or something and make it internet watch I think that'd be dope because yeah like screw this stuff man it's not good

29:12Luke Lafreniere:alright why don't we move on to our next topic Dan or are you not tracking time today you are perfectly on time no one minute 26 seconds that's impossible so this is i adjusted some of the time it's perfect okay perfect job sir oh thank you uh speaking of uh not being your buddy friend um

29:42Luke Lafreniere:oh where are we going yeah the first word of this was the wrong word um which is why i couldn't read it while steam has been having issues with mastercard and visa threatening to pull payment processing due to adult content allegedly steam has been quietly fighting with paypal at the same time. Users trying to purchase games with PayPal are receiving an error message that reads, we are temporarily unable to process transactions with this payment method at this time. The earliest reports that PC Gamer could dig up show this issue appearing as early as a month ago in countries like the EU and also Mexico.

30:22Luke Lafreniere:While some theorized that these PayPal issues may have been related to the NSFW crackdown, a new pop-up message clearly states, the problem and here it is in early july 2025 which aligns with um what pc gamer was able to find paypal notified valve that their acquiring bank for payment transactions in certain currencies was immediately terminating the processing of any transactions related to steam this affects steam purchases using paypal and currencies other than euro cad gbp japanese yen australian dollars and u.s dollars we hope to offer paypal as an option for these currencies in the future but the timeline is uncertain we are also evaluating adding additional payment methods on steam for the customers affected by this so that's that's all a quote from the new pop-up message is this paypal's fault hard to say what's the acquiring bank here's some ignorance for you uh not in my notes got it cool chat on august 14th a valve no like what sorry what is an acquiring bank i don't know okay yep you can look it up i'll let me let me go through the notes for the rest um on august 14th a valve spokesperson confirmed to rock paper shotgun that the withdrawal of support from the acquiring bank is regarding content on steam and is related to what we've previously commented on commented on surrounding mastercard

32:06Linus Sebastian:wow okay acquiring bank is the bank that like gets the funds from the credit card okay so

32:13Luke Lafreniere:basically we have yet another situation down the chain where financial institutions are dictating what we can or cannot buy with our f***ing money.

32:28Linus Sebastian:I'm just trying to say, I am one of the first people to step up to bat whenever a hating PayPal competition begins. This doesn't necessarily seem like it's PayPal. No, it does not appear to be. I'm just trying to be real. This feels like PayPal is passing on a problem from these acquiring banks.

32:49Luke Lafreniere:and I'm just I'm having a hard time trying to trying to wrap my brain around this like is the concern because we've talked on the show before but we'll do a bit of a sort of recap here OnlyFans ran into big challenges with payment processors like Stripe where they were allegedly being pressured from upstream so this would have been coming from the credit card companies I guess maybe or maybe coming from farther upstream it's very hard to say because the whole thing is kind of shrouded in secrecy but they were getting pressure um not to allow uh payments through only fans and then they saw how much money it was and they backed it down is basically how it went because there are no principles once the dollar value gets high enough um and it turns out the whole thing was just pure hypocrisy.

33:40Luke Lafreniere:So, anywho, shoot, where was I going with this? Don't remember. Cool, we disagree. Wait, we disagree on what? I don't remember. Nice. I'm so tired, dude.

33:59Linus Sebastian:It's been yet another very long week. I wish I could help you back to where we came from, but I don't know. We were talking about how it's not really a paypal thing um no one else in chat seems to have the answer oh yeah yeah yeah i remember

34:15Luke Lafreniere:okay okay so so this is so this is a thing and as far as i can tell the best kind of rationale in in these various situations that i've heard is that these brands don't want their logo associated with certain types of content. Like, let's say, for instance, that you were an escort, which, I mean...

34:40Linus Sebastian:You don't know I'm not. You don't know I'm not.

34:44Luke Lafreniere:Give him a little pout. What's the...

34:47Linus Sebastian:A pout? That might be a different type of escort.

34:49Luke Lafreniere:Well, it doesn't matter. The point is, look at this.

34:53Linus Sebastian:Come on, wink at us.

34:54Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, come on. Look right into the camera. I can't wink at all. Oh, just a little eyebrow. Yes, he can. See? Damn. I can't execute this expertly. Did I?

35:06Linus Sebastian:Because usually I just blink both eyes. It looked good.

35:09Luke Lafreniere:It looked good.

35:11Linus Sebastian:You're fire.

35:13Luke Lafreniere:So let's say you're an escort and you basically had like a you

35:21Linus Sebastian:Bears are us.

35:29Luke Lafreniere:sorry i had to brand it i you just gotta do it so so you're on so so your profile all right sorry yeah yeah yeah um so your profile on a on a list of some sort you know has uh you're wearing a you're wearing a shirt that's like i accept mastercard or something like that. You know?

35:55Linus Sebastian:Give me your MasterCard.

35:57Luke Lafreniere:Well, that's the thing. That's the thing.

36:03Linus Sebastian:Swipe. Yeah, they're actually, it's sweatpants. Remember the, like, butt print that used to be on sweatpants?

36:15Linus Sebastian:No.

36:18Luke Lafreniere:Not down. Okay. So anyway, that's your profile. the argument that these brands seem to be making is that they do not want that kind of association they don't want to be associated so obviously it wouldn't be quite as direct as that yeah yeah but on this undesirable content their their logo would appear and logo placement and associated content like it or not agree or not there's a high degree of brand sensitivity around it there's tons

36:49Linus Sebastian:dude you can look up uh style guides on how you have to use different brands logos and they're

36:54Luke Lafreniere:like how much spacing there needs to be around it what color backgrounds the various versions of it are allowed to be on it's it's painful actually quite extensive but when people just ignore it but when you have a strong brand i can understand the desire to to protect it however let me just let me just um you know for the sake of argument say something i don't give two shits about mastercard or visa's brand is there anyone out there that's like wow i like there's gotta be somebody but i hear what you're saying i like paypal oh i go out of my way to use paypal okay

37:40Linus Sebastian:I actually do know people that are like that. It's usually because in their country, for whatever reason, credit cards are difficult. And they, they use PayPal as like a credit card workaround for web payments.

37:55Luke Lafreniere:Ixfn724 says I'm a slut for diners club. Is that,

38:02Linus Sebastian:but that's not Visa or MasterCard. That's a sub brand, isn't it?

38:06Luke Lafreniere:Diners, diners club and like diners club discover.

38:08Linus Sebastian:like there's other credit card brands but they're all running on the Visa and MasterCard back ends Cirrus and whatever else I bet you they're probably on the same back end yeah because Cirrus is just MasterCard it's like Nvidia selling an Nvidia branded GPU like MasterCard Cirrus has their own card and it's MasterCard

38:30Luke Lafreniere:oh okay so I'm confused because Diners wasn't at some point but maybe they are now and Discover is their own network same with MX yeah so so no there there are more it is not quite it's not just a duopoly yeah i'm not like super up to speed on this yeah it's not quite a duopoly uh says says chat so make it i mean no they're probably i mean they're probably but like these these diners club is these brands like are is it not doing more damage to them that they are interfering with us spending our own money on whatever it is that we want versus having their logo next to something why don't they just

39:10Linus Sebastian:say don't show our logo honestly even with even with the fact that there is more than two and two is already more than one i think the effect of monopoly that these players have they just don't

39:23Luke Lafreniere:care but they do seem to care that's the thing why do they care that's what i'm trying to figure

39:30Linus Sebastian:you're always felt like we already hate you anyway yeah like we we hate you anyway you literally just

39:37Luke Lafreniere:like sit and and scrape off of every transaction i've actually been i've been thinking about it more lately and um i've like i often forget because it's so convenient because it's the one i keep at the front of my wallet but you know what i'm gonna do it now i'm gonna move my debit card to the front of my wallet because why would i use my credit card it literally just costs whoever i'm buying from anywhere from an additional that's kind of a pretty based way to see it like

40:13Linus Sebastian:i like that that's cool like it's brutal they're just gonna say you get points for yourself yeah

40:19Luke Lafreniere:because what i could do is i could just because like my points like i'll get like a one percent cash back but why don't i just use my debit card and then tip 19 it's effectively the same thing yeah but i give visa nothing yeah kind of sick kind of sick people are saying extended warranties

40:42Linus Sebastian:buyer protection yep yep it can be very useful fraud protection can be very useful more security

40:49Luke Lafreniere:in general i don't know about more security not sure if i they have more like i would say

40:55Linus Sebastian:like insurances on having issues with them.

40:59Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, that can be true.

41:00Linus Sebastian:Not necessarily more security.

41:02Luke Lafreniere:Okay, fine. So they're providing a valuable service, but what gives them the right to decide where I can spend my money? That's my objection.

41:08Linus Sebastian:Do debit cards. Not that I'm aware. Because this one said the acquiring bank was the problem. So could a debit card that you have with a bank do this? Is there any place that has that problem? Debit cards use the same payment networks. I've got a merch message here

41:23Luke Lafreniere:that's kind of related to that. Oh, sure. In a way. With regard to the PayPal situation, should a bank be allowed to choose its customers? I mean, I'm pretty sure they do. You can't have proceeds of crimes or drugs and stuff like that.

41:35Linus Sebastian:You might not be able to get a loan or something if you don't.

41:38Luke Lafreniere:I don't think they're allowed to choose that, though. I know that there's a big conversation in the States right now around banks' supposed previous discriminatory practices, alleged, alleged, discriminatory practices around being allowed to choose their own customers. And it looks like the general consensus is that while there has been a sort of right for banks to choose their own customers, though that may not necessarily be the case going forward. So it seems like there is at least some momentum towards, no, you actually are not like allowed to choose who banks with you. What does that mean?

42:23Linus Sebastian:How does that get enforced? What does banking constitute? Does banking include getting a loan? Because they have to be able to choose who they give loans to.

42:34Luke Lafreniere:But not choose based on any sort of... How do you police that? Luke, I don't have the answers to this.

42:43Linus Sebastian:Because you're going to have an interview. or they're going to read your name on a document.

42:50Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, you'll have that. I mean, I think that's a big part of why these institutions hide behind algorithms because then they can just be like, well, I didn't know what color. Computer says no. I didn't know what color their skin was.

43:02Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

43:02Luke Lafreniere:I just, all I knew was the neighborhood they lived in and the school they went to.

43:09Linus Sebastian:And their name. Yeah, I knew that. What their spending habits are and what their online browsing activity is, very likely. Yeah, that's all I knew. What various accounts they have. That's all I knew. What are all those sites like somethingmingle.com? They use that. We know that. Give me a bit of a hint. Farmers only? Yeah. Very good. Magic the Gathering Gamers Mingle. Isn't that like a self-help group? Are you tired of your partner leaving you because you spent too much money on magic cards?

43:49Luke Lafreniere:Campaign rent? What if you both did?

43:52Linus Sebastian:Generally speaking, I think...

43:54Luke Lafreniere:Drinks for draw. I think what we would prefer, and I'm going to try and speak on behalf of Luke as well so we can kind of summarize this and wrap it up. I think what we would prefer is that credit organizations and banking organizations get out of the way. Big time. And do their job, which is to be a facilitator and not do things other than that.

44:23Linus Sebastian:Your job should be to store and move and in some ways with my consent, manipulate the money that I have. And when I choose to deposit or I choose to withdraw, you should get out of the way.

44:37Luke Lafreniere:Unless those funds are the proceeds of criminal activity, human trafficking, illicit substances, trafficking, you know. Cool. So if you're looking for anything to do, I'm not saying to do this. But I will objectively pass along that the community has mounted petitions and campaigns calling for people to overwhelm Visa and MasterCard's support with constant complaints about their policies. Interesting. I wouldn't encourage anybody to do that.

45:17Linus Sebastian:yeah but if you wanted to um to stay away from learning how to do those things there's there's many resources online all right cool so be careful with your internet usage oh this is rumor mill

45:30Luke Lafreniere:uh anna v an nsfw vtuber and outspoken poster regarding the mastercard ban claims a source reached out to them claiming that mastercard a major esports sponsor has requested that riot and esports content creators working with right games keep an eye out for negative sentiment towards mastercard i mean do they do you do you really need anyone to keep an eye out for that like it's there yeah we all hate this you're welcome yeah i don't know all right cool i don't think i've ever heard anyone ever say a

46:11Linus Sebastian:positive thing about any of the like credit backbone companies they clearly just like prey on people um i don't i i think their fight is to try to take it from negative to neutral if anything i don't think they're ever expecting to get to positive i don't think you can be in that industry and expect people to get to positive with you i don't think so personally i mean i've definitely i hear people speak positively about individual cards

46:40Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, that's a thing. This is a good card. Amex seems to have a pretty strong brand these days. I've personally never been able to figure that out.

46:51Linus Sebastian:They are a backbone thing.

46:52Luke Lafreniere:Really? Why? Well, okay. Because I don't value the perks that they offer. Got it. I don't know what they are. Okay. I guess we're going to do the thing where I sort of real talk. I could afford you know

47:10Linus Sebastian:What are the Amex perks though? I don't know what perks you're talking about

47:16Luke Lafreniere:Okay like you can

47:18Linus Sebastian:This is not an Amex commercial! Yeah not even a little But like I hear people speak positively about them as well

47:24Luke Lafreniere:Like I could afford the annual fee Wouldn't everyone have them? Sorry? If they're that good wouldn't everyone? And they're so uncommon No no because they have really high fees So I could afford the fee of a Centurion I think it's invite only so I couldn't necessarily even get one but it's the black card okay like like the IMAX black card cool but the the perks that it offers are not things that I really value like you can like at certain festivals they'll have like a tent where you can go okay and yet that's not for us

48:01Linus Sebastian:we're not going to benefit from this

48:06Luke Lafreniere:the look on your face dude

48:14Luke Lafreniere:um okay anyway uh so you can get access to things like travel rewards um airport lounges personally i get anxiety when i sit in an airport lounge because i'm somewhere not at my gate you feel like you're gonna miss it yeah i feel like i'm gonna miss my flight so that has zero value

48:32Linus Sebastian:to me whatsoever coming back from defcon it was close because we were sitting in an airport lounge and i like happened to check the time it was like oh we need to be there in like eight minutes until boarding ends and while we were running there they called our names over the thing according

48:51Luke Lafreniere:to an ai overview so take take this for what it is um the centurion card uh also offers automatic elite status with various hotel and car rental programs um i have never i'll be i again i i i could probably like get elite with a hotel chain or something but i stay in hotels based on how close they are to whatever it is that i'm doing not based on that they have a super nice cool brand i don't care about that at all i have literally zero loyalty to any hotel brand you can you can take that to the bank um so i don't care about that but maybe elite status is really cool okay rest assured says my boss has an amex black and he gets free car rentals somehow but see that's the thing he doesn't get free car rentals amex centurion he's paying for it price so the cost of it is uh a one-time initiation fee of ten thousand dollars and a five thousand dollar annual fee so he doesn't get free he doesn't get free anything he gets that he already

50:07Linus Sebastian:paid for it is your first year 15 grand or is the five grand included in the 10 grand um it is $15 ,000 for the first year.

50:18Luke Lafreniere:Scrappy DP says, but if you spend more than$10 ,000 in rentals, hear me out.

50:25Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Now, to be clear, Amex has lower fee cards.

50:30Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Way lower. I think

50:32Luke Lafreniere:their Cobalt or something is like$100. I'm specifically talking about the Black card. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The fancy one. That has sort of this urban urban legend around it that it has an unlimited uh credit limit on it and stuff like that which is not true at all they have no annual fee cards yeah there you go so whatever so i i don't know i just i find i do find it a little confusing but it's it's been kind of showing up in my feed lately that like you know amex is really popular is is like really growing with like younger

51:05Linus Sebastian:generation debt is really growing with younger generations okay no but like their share their market share yeah the younger generation's market share of debt is really growing i know i'm kidding yes yes okay yes um dude the the youngins on the clarinas is like a huge problem we've talked about on the show before but it's like just getting worse oh no cool um apparently someone bought

51:35Luke Lafreniere:a house with that card uh or or a dawn man says i had a friend with one of those cards and he could flash that card at restaurants that were months out for reservations and we would get a table he bought a house on that card so see this is the kind of thing that like if if somebody flashed me that card when i was at like a an ltt store pop-up i probably wouldn't even recognize it like my credit card is black in color yeah i wouldn't know like if you have the right black

52:04Linus Sebastian:colored card or not so is mine i've had the same one since the basement suite so you can kind of

52:09Luke Lafreniere:like make some assumptions mine's black it goes to costco 500 credit card yeah do you have an executive member i do i'm an executive member very nice very nice i think it started around there executive executive um so like i this is clearly a world that i don't really understand it's also a world that is very limited in canada compared to the states but it's also apparently a world. It's a thing. It is. It's evidently a thing.

52:40Luke Lafreniere:Hob Sultoff says it's also not a credit card. As with most Amex cards, it is a charge card. Okay. Alright. What? It's time for me to learn. It's time for me to learn live on the WAN show. Credit card versus charge card comparison. Okay. There's no AI overview, so we're going straight to the horse. Yeah, that's rough here's the horse's mouth credit card versus charge card however there's a difference knowing about credit card lets you pay for purchases without cash they offer a line of credit or loan that allows you to make purchases and pay back the amount later if you fail to pay the balance due in full you are charged an interest on the amount owed okay that was my understanding of i thought charge card just meant credit card so here's a charge card a charge card works like a credit card.

53:29Luke Lafreniere:Okay, great. Case closed. No, okay, we'll actually finish it. But without offering the option of making a partial payment, you are required to pay your charge card bill in full by the due date. They offer no preset spending limit, meaning that your charges are approved based on your spending pattern, financials, credit record, and your account history. But that's how they determine your credit limit.

53:55Luke Lafreniere:This sounds like

53:56Linus Sebastian:a distinction without a difference folks except you have to pay the full amount which wouldn't that be bad for them no because they still get their processing fee remember they win they win whether you're in debt with them or not they're no interest effectively but i guess unless you fully fail to unless you fail

54:19Luke Lafreniere:to pay then i'm sure they'd be happy to charge you fees and interest for it which means it's still a credit card i'm i did like i said it appears to be a distinction without a real difference um so that's neat doesn't everyone have to get their card replaced every few years

54:39Linus Sebastian:yeah could you have this same card for that long because they just shipped me a new one of the same card yeah but with different numbers yeah but it's the same account yeah don't worry it's okay Yeah.

54:50Luke Lafreniere:Okay, if you don't pay in full, they turn the card off and charge fees and interest and may cancel your card. So the charge card is basically to flex that you are not actually in debt. Through the card. Sure. Who cares?

55:12Linus Sebastian:Not through this card. I might have 12 more in my wallet. okay invite only lots of things that are invite only are invite only up until the point where

55:24Luke Lafreniere:you have enough money and centurion's not invite only anymore you can apply these days whereas it used to be legitimately invite only and apparently there was some kind of black magic around looking at your spending patterns not just how much money you spend but like what you spend it on so like i never would have gotten an invite because you have to like buy fine dining and and private travel and like concierge services and like all kinds of stay at fancy hotels and stuff like that like they only wanted to attract a certain sort of customer uh p-ball says so a charge card is like a fancy debit card that gets paid at the end of the month yeah it's it's basically like a debit card with overdraft yeah That you have to pay every month.

56:10Luke Lafreniere:So that's something. Alright. What are we supposed to be doing right now? And merch messages. Oh, neat. Okay, let's do that. How far off are we, Dan? 25 seconds. No way. Are you a wizard? What happened here? I changed the WAN show timing. That's what I'm saying. Wait. So wait. We didn't get better. You just got more accurate at predicting our fuckery. I think so. A little bit. Oh. Well, that's less impressive then. No, that's impressive of Dan. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. I thought we were impressed with ourselves for staying on schedule. Well, the thing is that I could have got it wrong, and you're the one who's been driving this, and it's been perfect.

56:58Luke Lafreniere:Wow. Everybody wins. 55 minutes. We're at 56 now. Way to go, Dan. Yay. Good job, team. Now explain what a merch message is Alright, if you want to interact with the show The way to do it is with a merch message We don't do like Twitch bits or super chats or anything like that Because we think when you throw money at your screen You should get spectacular merch in return And boy, do we ever have a doozy for you this week All you gotta do to send a merch message is go to lttstore.com And be greeted by the ScribeDriver mechanical pencil that's right my friends we now to be unboxed by the one and only luke lafreniere he's not going to screw it up this time we now have a mechanical pencil that is made out of harvested shafts that's right when you accidentally buy a hundred thousand screwdriver shafts from a supplier that doesn't meet your quality standards for screwdrivers but you really want to use those three tons of metal for something you make pens or in this case pencils the scribe driver pencil is a precision machine mechanical pencil for an elevated everyday carry it's got a premium finish built to the same standards as our tools and allows you to write all day long the knurled grip section offers a secure comfortable hold for control and consistency whether you're writing notes or sketching up your next big project and they're refillable naturally with 0.5 millimeter lead uh the schmidt dsm 2007 fine minin pencil system delivers clean consistent lines for writing sketching or making measurements and it's preloaded with 0.5 millimeter lead and we could do this entirely like that or we could just make life easier and show it like this good effort luke solid i tried so it still has

58:57Linus Sebastian:kind of a bolt actiony kind of thing going on yes you can operate it from the side yeah but that was

59:02Luke Lafreniere:only to keep it consistent with the id of the pen yes or you can operate it from the top yeah because you can just click the top yeah because obviously you would want to click the top because it's a mechanical pencil sure but we didn't want it to look so different also this is cute yeah i I like that. You can see the size of the, I don't know. Do they still call them pencil lead, even though they're like graphite or whatever? Probably. Sure. There it is, folks. Look at it. Isn't it beautiful? Ooh.

59:38Linus Sebastian:Oh, nice. You got both there.

59:40Luke Lafreniere:Yep. Heck yeah. So we have it in brass or in silver.

59:44Linus Sebastian:I like the idea of having one of each color because you can differentiate, but that makes it even easier.

59:49Luke Lafreniere:uh oh also introducing our series five pins we have six fun new designs by sarah and team including blue screen glitter lambo right to repair circuit heart and what we know is going to be luke's favorite that's right budgies they already are they're so awesome so that's that's

1:00:17Linus Sebastian:scoop and Wally scoop is the it's it's kind of a white and blue and then Wally's the the green

1:00:22Luke Lafreniere:and yellow so one of them is holding an LTT CPU the other is holding a float plane CPU this is obviously styled after like a Pantone chip not infringing though not infringing I'm sure of course not and then this one has a little bit of like glitter so it's my it's my old very stylish vehicle and then of course we have the cpu heart and right to repair oh yep yep gorgeous pins as always and hey don't forget to pick up a wan cork board so that you can put all of your new

1:00:55Linus Sebastian:pins on it very cool i'm stoked about the birds that's awesome all right now dan what am i supposed

1:01:03Luke Lafreniere:to do now do a merch message i think now we do merch messages okay then we do more topics that's how it works okay okay we've got our merch messages okay uh let's see hey dll super excited for whale land i was able to get a whale vip spot anything you're excited for during the event and any recommendations uh to do while in the surrey bc area yeah i'm super excited to it hopefully goes okay are there any changes changes compared to last time uh you know like you said you were We're going to force people to not play games or something different. Force people to not play games? You were planning a bunch of stuff.

1:01:44Luke Lafreniere:Oh, okay, okay, okay. And things. That's a long-term plan. And things. The long-term plan is to convert Whale Land from like a pure BYOC to more of like an experience. Yeah. So this is the same as the last one. This will be basically a BYOC. However, hopefully, if everything goes according to plan with what Elijah's working on, we will actually have a really cool project that people will be able to use in person that will be sort of a precursor to some of the upcoming more experience driven whalelandness. so he's working on um i believe it's an 8v8 completely like packable rack mountable uh like versus gaming setup nice that's pretty much just going to be preloaded with a small handful of games allowing people to kind of come in sit down play like right across the monitor from each other like literally head to head and um not have to worry about you know the quality of the if if someone else's peripherals were a little better or you know their pc was a little better and more of like a like an almost competitive like a more esports style um it's going to be from what i've seen of the plan a super cool setup so each of the eight systems is going to be i want to say it was going to average about two rack units per three rack units per two systems or something like that like it's it's like they're going to be really compact and basically you'll just have these like like kind of on wheels like rollable rack units at uh at the ends of the tables and then all of the or probably the middle and then they'll come out so that we can keep the cable shorter and then it'll do four and four on either side of them and they'll just

1:03:42Linus Sebastian:sit there and run this is like a test that we're doing i guess of sorts yeah because everything

1:03:48Luke Lafreniere:everything to create these experiences has to be like cartable across the parking lot effectively like we've got to be or like into the back of a truck and then just like roll out and deploy because otherwise we have we're only in there for like a weekend at a time right for whale and events so if it can't be set up in a few hours effectively we can't do it uh so this is going to be kind of a kind of a test so that one theoretically should be done in time for us to have there and then there are a couple of things that i'm going to want to have there regardless of whether it's for a video or not like i want to have a 10 player tape to tape set up i don't think we'll necessarily have any of the vr stuff ready for this one but in the future i'd like to do bridge crew and kind of cool stuff like that yeah but mostly bridge crew be sick this one's just gonna be a byoc sure yeah i ran into a problem this time oh you didn't get tickets

1:04:50Linus Sebastian:we will have a small staff nobody told me we've done it the same way every time and then no one said anything and it's dramatically different now so like a ton of people that have come every time were just like, oops. Would have bought one, didn't know. Lots of people. I worked with Chase to get one of them fixed because they booked flights.

1:05:14Linus Sebastian:And I was like, um... Sorry, what was different? There's always been like a huge reserve for staff. Oh, well, we don't have that many seats? Yeah, but no one said anything.

1:05:25Luke Lafreniere:Oh, yeah, no, we don't have that many seats.

1:05:27Linus Sebastian:So like the boys, like almost none of them. yeah because like usually i tell them closer to the event and whatever else like i just the reason why i even know is because one of them saw it and like didn't want to free boat again so went to go buy a ticket themselves and then was like um they're all gone can i go and i was like uh

1:05:56Linus Sebastian:yeah they sold out in like two days yeah they sold out really fast i mean like that because they messaged me i think because we announced it on wanshow and i think they messaged me on like monday or tuesday they were just gone i was like wow yeah that makes sense sparky citizen said nobody's telling you many things these days i'm like dude that's been true for a long time yeah i mean we have a lot going on huge company there's so many things happening i gave a tour to some of emma's cousins yeah last night and over and over and over it it's like wow you guys do a lot of stuff it's like yeah we we got a lot of things happening there's no like it would be a full-time job just to be informed about what's that is a full-time job his name is tarrantown yeah i guess yeah fair enough and even that's like that's got to be tough

1:06:47Luke Lafreniere:to keep up with there's so many things yeah i get it um so man i'm sorry to hear that um the good news is as i said uh on reddit when someone asked they were like desperate to get a ticket and they were like gonna be at their job which requires them to like leave their phone and everything like they work in like a high security facility um so they were like what if i get don't get one i'll say what i said to them and that's the first one's probably going to be relatively janky and there's going to be more and there will be more we kind of locked down a plan of like how often we want to do it we have a temporary use permit that allows us to run them four times a year okay once a quarter yeah and that's right now probably roughly the idea the idea and once

1:07:32Linus Sebastian:it's at once a quarter the like voraciousness of getting tickets is probably going to chill out a little bit or not or or it'll go higher i suspect it'll go higher with some people but the like fomo of ever doing it yeah will go down i hope so because there's always next quarter

1:07:51Luke Lafreniere:but because we are limited to the facility that we're in it's not like we can adapt and you know

1:08:00Linus Sebastian:do a 350 seat lan or a 500 seat lan thing is the new plan could accommodate higher numbers easier because we could do two-day passes or one-day passes well and you don't you wouldn't necessarily

1:08:12Luke Lafreniere:have to bring your own computer uh it's still we would still have occupancy limits what's the occupancy on that one side um it we would be applying for it temporarily and it would be about

1:08:23Linus Sebastian:250 we can't really go much higher than that we have like that many seats yeah yeah so it wouldn't

1:08:29Luke Lafreniere:really i mean people are at a byoc like people are like pretty packed in um and and so we're not going to be able to get it a lot really denser by having couches that people sit around and play games like it's i i don't think it's really going to help that much to be honest with

1:08:46Linus Sebastian:you i'm sorry no it's i just the it's been the exact same way for like whatever like five years or whatever so now it's just like okay now we just have to ticket snipe this is hilarious or

1:08:59Luke Lafreniere:whatever which is fine this is hilarious i've already said the first one's probably going to be kind of janky and tim's going can i get an annual pass we'll play chat

1:09:12Linus Sebastian:oh boy yeah i'm just gonna have to what now nothing don't worry about it no you have to tell us no we'll just have tickets in the future that's all i'm saying we'll just all get tickets in the future it'll be fine it would be totally fine we get tickets for packs every single time we never missed it once for reasons and we'll do that for here as well chase does take cash bribes not necessary oh are we going back to the tricks thing no no it's fine we'll just we'll just we'll just it'll be fine i don't even mind people

1:09:52Luke Lafreniere:doing the thing that luke is probably talking about if the ticket is for their own use yeah that's fine yes but i could see us we've never scalped a ticket if the thing you're alluding to and not saying explicitly until you just did for some reason what do you mean oh sure yeah so oh okay you're you're right you didn't say the thing you said a different thing yeah it's fine it's fine the point is that if the thing that luke is alluding to but not saying becomes a problem we could end up binding the ticket to the account of the person who bought it and stuff like we it could come to that that would still be fine i i know you can just do that i just mean it's not

1:10:35Linus Sebastian:a bad idea scalping is a problem yes and i we've genuinely never scalped a ticket i'm not just saying that okay it's never happened there are times where we ended up with extra tickets because someone decided they couldn't go and we have always sold at cost. Never scalped a ticket. Alright.

1:10:55Luke Lafreniere:Spaceda says, please kill scalping once and for all.

1:10:58Linus Sebastian:Oh, dude.

1:10:59Luke Lafreniere:Fully agreed. It's so annoying. If I could hold up the scalp of scalping, I would.

1:11:04Linus Sebastian:Oh, wow. Oh, wow. I like it.

1:11:09Luke Lafreniere:Okay. Dan, hit us. Why does Linus hate Australians? What? That's a good question. What are you talking about? Can you elaborate? Do you have context for this?

1:11:21Linus Sebastian:Or are you just playing along? I'm just messing around.

1:11:23Luke Lafreniere:I have no clue. What do you mean I hate Australians?

1:11:25Linus Sebastian:Are they just going to try to blame shipping or something?

1:11:28Luke Lafreniere:They're basically South Canadian as far as I can tell.

1:11:32Linus Sebastian:I really do think the closest kinship Canada has with any other country is probably Australia. As random as that is. Who are we most similar to?

1:11:44Luke Lafreniere:okay i'm i'm just gonna list sort of like ones i've heard okay so the danish we've been compared to the danish okay it's offensive but okay um i think that i think that northern uh i think that northern americans and by that i don't mean north americans i mean northern united states of americans i think have a pretty have a pretty strong but that's not the whole country yeah i know i know i i'm just i'm just saying that like minnesotans appear to be just like honorary canadians a lot of them um and i really can't tell the difference between like uh like basically

1:12:26Linus Sebastian:like washington state oregon yeah like they're kind of our pacific northwest bros there's kind Kind of like the BC, Washington State, Oregon is kind of like its own. Like if we were just our own country. PNW.

1:12:39Luke Lafreniere:I think probably no one would object to Pacific Northwestistan. Like within those three. Probably not. Culturally, like we seem to be very similar. It'd probably be fine. Cascadia. Yeah, let's go Cascadia. But then that's not all of Canada either. I know, I know, I know. Australians. Yes, yes. That's another one I've heard. that's about it of those i'd say yeah the australians because they they feel a lot of the same pain they have an incredible amount of fraud just like we do they they have a devalued crappy currency but they but they have western costs like we do land land mass to population density is like almost as bad as canada or worse a huge problem like logistically and like for infrastructure which i guess are kind of the same thing they do have more than one road yeah so that we don't have in common we just have the one yep um their housing market is also

1:13:39Linus Sebastian:third so for a similar reason yeah they they also are are like natural resource fairly rich oh yeah

1:13:47Luke Lafreniere:yep yep but um i i don't think i can think of a major global company that is australia-based I'm sure there are some A lot of mineral ones Sure But I know what you mean Like in terms of like FinTech Or like Like what we think of as You know your I'm sure they're Atlassian Oh yeah yeah yeah Big time Oh Atlassian Okay I didn't know that So they've got the one Just like us with Shopify then

1:14:18Linus Sebastian:Noctua? No that's the other Yeah that's

1:14:20Luke Lafreniere:That's Austria Yeah Not Australia That's the other one

1:14:23Linus Sebastian:They are not in fact the same thing doesn't it isn't it like austria has a section of their airport specifically designed for people who end up there that thought they were going to australia isn't that a thing am i just talking it sounds like a squeezy jibs thing i hope i didn't just hear that and it's a

1:14:38Luke Lafreniere:joke that's gotta be a joke people are saying it's a thing you have got to be kidding me right now i went to india indiana just tell me you don't love me love squeezy there's a desk

1:14:56Linus Sebastian:in salzburg airport sorry this is austria not australia need help press the button

1:15:02Luke Lafreniere:and you can press the button and it's like an sos thing are you flipping oh wait no there is no Not real news. Says AI. Okay. A look at what didn't happen this week. Okay. Okay. So this is not real then. That sucks.

1:15:19Linus Sebastian:It would have been so much funnier if it was real.

1:15:22Luke Lafreniere:Highly upvoted on 9gag. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. So not a real thing.

1:15:28Linus Sebastian:Dang. Okay. That would have been so funny. They should just do it as a joke. It seems like the kind of thing Australians would do. Austrians in this case. Oh, right.

1:15:43Luke Lafreniere:But Australians could go there and put that sign on the desk.

1:15:47Linus Sebastian:Send it. Do it up. I mean, there's that whole thing, too, where, like, the, like, ski hills around here. If you go to one of the ski hills in the winter, the chance that you're dealing with an Australian employee is, like, very high. Yeah.

1:16:04Luke Lafreniere:I've always kind of wondered why that's a thing. It's, uh... apparently it's really easy to get the visa or something i've also heard it's surfer bros and they season swap oh but can you imagine in all the world of places you can surf

1:16:24Linus Sebastian:choosing cold pacific northwest water it's like a surf oh no no no they come up here to do like boarding skiing stuff then they go back and do surfing in australia that makes way more sense that makes so much more sense and i've just heard that's a thing like i don't actually know but i was kind of questioning at one time so i went up to i went up to see more and like literally every single person was australian no it's the thing like the chance of this is nuts it's it's been a thing for so long and there's like an employment thing where like by working there and i could be wrong about this i don't know just like the australia austria sign thing i'm not really certain i think they get like food and housing as part of their compensation food housing and free lift passes as part of their compensation right and they make some money so then they just kind of do all the above that's a thing yeah yeah i've heard no don't forget aussie summer is canadian winter so maybe they're ski bros in both places yeah i also do you really want to surf in aussie summer that sounds like it might roast you summer i mean i but the water would be warm Could you surf?

1:17:30Linus Sebastian:What is their winter like? Is it actually cold?

1:17:34Luke Lafreniere:I've never been to Australian winter. I've never been to Australian anything. I don't think it's super cold though.

1:17:41Linus Sebastian:Yeah, no LOL. So yeah, you could probably still surf.

1:17:44Luke Lafreniere:I don't know.

1:17:45Linus Sebastian:I have no idea. So I bet you you base the season around being able to snowboard more than you do being able to surf.

1:17:51Luke Lafreniere:Either way. Either way, Australia is definitely on my list.

1:17:56Linus Sebastian:15 deg sea in winter. So they might think it's cold. Okay.

1:18:03Luke Lafreniere:They've got spiders. See, that's the thing. We can call that cold. That's the thing. I don't actually like big spiders. But Australia is still on my list of places that I want to go. I want to go to Australia sometime too. Yeah. It's just... It's not a lot of like tech conventions and stuff. It's so far. It's very far. It's really far. Could you guys just be not so far? Could you all just like I don't know Put some outboard motors On the back of the continent Just kind of Kind of cruise over this way

1:18:34Linus Sebastian:Honestly just like Smash it into northern BC Just join up Yeah I'd be down That'd be cool Do it up

1:18:43Luke Lafreniere:Why northern BC? Why would you want anybody To have to live there? Because if you did southern

1:18:46Linus Sebastian:You'd whack into So cold You'd whack into Vancouver Island And Australia is so big It would just take it out I guess that's true That kind of sucks

1:18:54Luke Lafreniere:But then we wouldn't have to Take the ferry to Victoria

1:18:57Linus Sebastian:if they just kind of like pushed vancouver in uh-huh i like it now we're cooking maybe they could just grab hawaii on the way over mind you hawaii would suck if it wasn't still hot though

1:19:09Luke Lafreniere:like if hawaii had our weather it would just sort of be a downer because all the like nice tropical like vegetation would die then it would just get kind of smashed in the middle as well i think they should leave it where it is sure yeah oprah oprah probably wouldn't want to be a british columbian Or Zuckerberg. Yeah. And we don't really want Zuckerberg in either case. Yeah. Maybe either of them.

1:19:31Linus Sebastian:All right.

1:19:32Luke Lafreniere:They can stay. Yeah, they can stay where they are. Or the Hawaiians can kick them out. That's fine, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of a thing, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:19:44Luke Lafreniere:Oh, yeah, more topics. What do you want to talk about next? Me?

1:19:49Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Let's skip a bunch of the junk. let's just jump to a cool one i scrolled a decent amount down the document because this was awesome and i mean this is i don't even think this is the first time we've talked about this channel on on wan show let alone on any of our channels but uh youtuber basically homeless made a real life aimbot that controls his body and my god was i jealous i wanted to do this so bad the whole time I was watching the video. In a recent video, he made a neuromuscular aimbot that uses machine vision to control an EMS TENS machine. That's when you see the little pads on people that induce electrical impulses that move your muscles.

1:20:34Linus Sebastian:That's what an EMS TENS machine is. To contract the muscles in his right arm, hand, and trigger finger. That was a really cool part of the video. To help him react and aim in CS2 at inhuman speeds. While the results were a little inconsistent, When everything was working as intended, the aimbot definitely gave him an edge. Especially, ah, no. I'm not going to say what. There's an interesting curve partway through the video that makes it, like, wildly effective. Very, very, very, very interesting. The video is super interesting, so you should definitely watch it, as well as a bunch of basically Homeless's other really wild tech experiments.

1:21:15Linus Sebastian:It makes really cool stuff.

1:21:16Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I'm not gonna, I'm intentionally not really giving you guys too much here. Yeah, go watch it. But I'm giving you enough of some pretty cool looking wacky stuff. Dude, it's so sick. It's such a cool video. So the conversation, wait, did you actually like read the doc thing at all or you just went for it? I kind of went for it. Cool. No, I read the whole doc actually. I didn't read any of the questions. So the part that I think was missing was that he's using machine vision. um so no i think i said that oh cool our discussion question then is do you consider this

1:21:52Linus Sebastian:cheating oh it's definitely cheating well why i mean because your eyeballs aren't doing the detecting and your finger is not doing the firing i mean your finger is

1:22:07Linus Sebastian:that's like saying an exoskeleton in football is not cheating i mean anyone can build an exoskeleton But you can't bring one into the Into the match No It's definitely cheating You don't know that you can't until you try He even like memes it throughout the video It's definitely cheating But it is an interesting conversation Especially because This is just the beginning Yes The thing that he ends up doing Which again I'm not going to actually say Because he deserves your view so go watch it But the thing that he ends up doing is like pretty intense and would be a dramatic advantage in like every game um so yeah it's a pretty big deal to the point where like if it's less detectable because of this if it's an if yeah i could see people doing it like it's it's wild he kind of comes across a way of approaching this that is like wildly effective

1:23:15Luke Lafreniere:so if you were if you were a streamer and you were playing a video game and we had no way of seeing if you have like pads and leads hooked up to you you would consider that streamer to be a filthy cheater yes what if they were playing most of the rest of the game on their own they're throwing their grenades on their own they're activating their special abilities on their own uh they

1:23:44Linus Sebastian:wouldn't technically have to in all cases but because he he did arm movement and trigger finger you could theoretically if you're playing like dota or something you could machine vision it out so that when you have your mouse properly in position for a skill shot it like does something like it's it's actually applicable to like every game because it's just reaction time enhancement and you can just modify the action involved with the reaction time enhancement and tons of modern games even tons of old games are realistically just entertaining reaction time simulators

1:24:24Luke Lafreniere:okay i love this avon fox asks this is in float plane chat what if they're using it as an accessibility aid?

1:24:36Linus Sebastian:There are a bunch of accessibility aids that are effectively cheating.

1:24:39Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Okay. But what if they need it? Then is it cheating? Is there a delay? Is there a delay that could be programmed into the chain that you would consider acceptable and not cheating?

1:24:50Linus Sebastian:Like human average, whatever. That's like a spot where like if you honestly need it, then like my amount of cares go very low. But obviously, I mean, we've known for a long time that there are accessibility controllers that are effectively cheating. As Lin at FullPainChat said, not in competitive play. That's an interesting angle. But like what Linus is saying is like, eventually, if you take accessibility controllers as far as you possibly can, eventually, it's just a bot playing the game. If you go all the possible way, which the vast majority of them don't, right? but if you do that that is kind of effectively what's happening so oh uh okay stay the path

1:25:34Luke Lafreniere:in float plane chat says okay why is linus even playing devil's advocate here there is no world where this is not cheating well see that's the thing i was kind of going somewhere with all of

1:25:44Linus Sebastian:this except there are absolutely there are people who believe oh the enhanced games yep there are

1:25:50Luke Lafreniere:people who believe that we should embrace uh substance use various types of doping and um push the human body to its absolute limit to hell with the consequences and so no i i i i don't actually think it is an entirely um bullshit argument for me to say okay hold on a second like there's also chess where it's just chess computers against chess computers

1:26:19Linus Sebastian:um like this is a thing um and just most people don't care because it's not very interesting yeah i think i think it runs down the same path of like you have to keep the legitimacy of the competition as people and their own natural faculties because if you go beyond that then the the line becomes too difficult but then what about the accessibility question yeah and then that's where competition gets weird because like there are like as far as my understanding goes you know how let's say in in running if somebody uh doesn't have like legs below the knees you get those blade things yep really cool yep i'm pretty sure you couldn't elect to run with those if you didn't need them yeah that's fair i don't think you can do that so i don't think you would be able to as as like kind of sucky as this is i don't think you could just join standard competition and be like i'm a um what's it called when you have no limbs mpt quadriplegic oh well that's yeah that's no limbs and be like i'm going to compete in counter-strike i'm going to use various assistant aids by the way my reaction time is zero zero so have fun everyone like that's not as unfortunate as that is that's not in the spirit of competition so it doesn't really work the Olympics and Paralympics have the exact same issue yeah that's fair

1:27:59Luke Lafreniere:paraplegic

1:27:59Linus Sebastian:well I

1:28:02Luke Lafreniere:well para would just be legs though as far as I understand I'm not an

1:28:14yeah it's so it gets um it gets tricky right do you think that if this could be

1:28:23Luke Lafreniere:embedded like in your body and and hidden that there would be people who would be willing to go that far to to get good oh i think i think you could uh which gets weird

1:28:38Linus Sebastian:and i absolutely think there would be i mean you look at the amount of people cheating while live streaming and it's like cheating these days is a is a almost its own competition yeah it's like who can cheat the best yeah it's a it's a it's a really wild thing gdub says and then they play tarkov yeah um cheating is kind of totally run over shooters these is. I mean, Battlefield 6, I don't know if we've talked about that much on WAN's show. I don't think we really could have because I think the beta started last weekend. But Battlefield 6 is in open beta now. And in the first day of Battlefield being in open beta, people were cheating on live servers.

1:29:21Linus Sebastian:How is that even possible? Generic ones. It's got really draconian anti-cheat as well. It's like kernel level. It's crazy. And people are still cheating. yeah like it's this is just it's a it's a insane industry and it's a thing that we just like have to deal with at this point and the this is the reason why i'm so frustrated with companies like bsg the people that make tarkov is because they won't include a like replay system because there is no reality where bsg will ever get tarkov to a point where it's an acceptable level of cheating there There is way too much money behind it for the other side.

1:30:02Linus Sebastian:I'm not even talking about the conspiracy theft where BSG is actually profiting off of it because they ban all the cheaters and the cheaters all buy new accounts and they make money from that. I'm not even talking about that. I'm purely saying that the people attacking, the people making cheats for Tarkov, there's so much money for them in it that BSG is never going to win. And in that case, you have to arm the users and they're not doing that in any way.

1:30:27Luke Lafreniere:Speaking of arming users, g freak 01 in float plane chat says i could see the military using something like this there are use cases other than gaming competitions yeah of course so could you foresee i mean kind of like the what were the nazis all hopped up on amphetamines meth um could you see a use case where this becomes part of your part of your isn't this already a thing for fighter jets that's a good question it aims where you i don't pilot a fighter jet this may surprise you but i i am not a fighter jet pilot i don't with helicopters it aims where you look

1:31:07Linus Sebastian:and i think with the jets it will like auto prime so that it's ready to fire but you still have to do the input i think those are things am i wrong the helmet aims where you look yeah um head tracking no i know there's head tracking but i thought it like did something else as well like it got like maybe it spun up but didn't start firing or something dan do you know a fighter pilot seems like the kind of thing you would know

1:31:40Luke Lafreniere:no you don't know a fighter pilot i'm canadian i only know our two military guys in their canoe that's all we have he knows both of them though how you doing dave have you ever seen a military canoe this is sorry this is a question for like our american and european australian overseas viewers they might not have they might they might not have actually encountered one the hull is is actually the the like the cedar is quite a lot thicker than a standard canoe and you you you need so much strength to paddle that canoe at ramming speed that you can't just rely on like the upper bodies of the of the occupants of of our of our two military officers uh you need beavers sorry I can't even keep a straight face

1:32:23Linus Sebastian:it's gotta be able to withstand an anokshuk torpedo yeah

1:32:27Luke Lafreniere:the Sunderland says can't tell if Linus is trolling yeah we don't keep the sticks on the on the frozen lake when we're doing military invasions

1:32:38Linus Sebastian:normally you keep the sticks on the ice you know but no look at this AH-64D someone posted in full pinch I'd have lost their name sorry but Apache attack helicopter features a nose mounted sensor turret with target acquisition site and laser designator it's doing stuff already look up the uh the fighter jet helmets they're like 400 grand crazy it's shortening the time between when you would be able to fire right uh which is i think related at least to what we're talking about

1:33:09Luke Lafreniere:it's not pulling the trigger yeah would you see them putting a thing in the arm but i think by

1:33:14Linus Sebastian:bother you just have a drone exactly yeah i think by the time you do that you just have a robot um yeah i think so

1:33:27Luke Lafreniere:psy90 says don't worry linus us europeans will stay ahead of you your military canoes with our military bicycles join forces

1:33:40Oh my goodness

1:33:42Luke Lafreniere:Who was it who went up against the German Panzers with horses again Who had the last Horse mounted cavalry unit Horse mounted Cavalry Was it the Poles The last horse mounted cavalry Charge by a US unit apparently occurred during the Philippines, uh, from the, in the Philippines during World War II. Uh, okay, hold on. This is just U.S. Um, the U.S., the, oh, World War II, the U.S., Soviets, and Polish armies all employed cavalry with varying degrees of success. I think the one I'm thinking of is the Austrians and the, um, the varying degree of success was pretty low. Uh, Poland, Poland fought, oh no, sorry, the Poles.

1:34:33Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Sorry, why'd I say Austrian? Someone said Austrian in the chat. I think it was the Poles I was thinking of. Yeah, Poland fought Germany with horses and did great, says Funny Hats. Yikes. Oh, hold on a second. Patch in Progress says, noteworthy, the much derided cavalry units of Poland in World War II actually did really well.

1:34:56Linus Sebastian:No, I've heard they did great, yeah, yeah.

1:34:58Luke Lafreniere:Okay, alright.

1:34:59Linus Sebastian:Well, good job. It was at the beginning of World War II is a very weird time. A lot of... I mean, that's sort of true with almost every major war. You start with what you've got and then you go, oh, wow, technology is really advanced. And then what happens changes significantly by the end of the war. That's one of the reasons why Ukraine is so interesting right now. You saw the whole drone thing that some people have been talking about forever. Some people finally actually really happen. Everybody's like, oh, wow. And now defense tech is like putting nets on vehicles instead of putting thicker and thicker layers of armor, which is weird.

1:35:44Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. And there's also a lot of conversation around domestic manufacturing capacity. Yeah. Because it seems like the next major conflict could basically just come down to who can manufacture the most little lightweight drones.

1:36:00Linus Sebastian:The being able to make bullets at home argument is now being able to make a small drone and a small explosive.

1:36:10Luke Lafreniere:YouTube has started rolling out. Oh, wait. It says float plane announce. Do I do that now?

1:36:19Luke Lafreniere:Scrapyard Wars Episode 2 is here and will be live soon. It's not actually quite here. They had to make a small change to it before we went live for WAN show. Dan is going to look into that. But in the meantime, we have a new float plane exclusive for you. There is a Why is WAN Late episode that is apparently 50 minutes long. Wow. How is this so long? Wow. Oh, wow. It includes all kinds of stuff. it's basically why is wan late has become a giant just behind the scenes just a vlog yeah of what's happening at lmg on fridays yeah which is pretty cool actually it's kind of cool

1:37:10Linus Sebastian:i'm not because luke and i don't get to know why and the before i actually end up watching a lot of these because it's like huh i should we just sit here and wait here's me talking to tim about

1:37:24Luke Lafreniere:overclocking Threadripper. Did I say Tim to John? Sorry. Here's Sammy Meman. There's a point here that I was trying to find where Plouffe and I, for reasons unknown, dunk our head in an ice bath and then Luke says, wow, that seems like a good idea and also does it. Yeah, basically, Why Is Wan Late has turned from Why Is Wan Late into...

1:37:53Linus Sebastian:yeah sammy was like do you want to dunk your head in an ice bucket and i was like you know what

1:37:58Luke Lafreniere:sure yeah let's do it behind the scenes shenanigans i got a response um we'll be done in about an hour okay so by the end of the show dude nice have you watched part two i've watched part one

1:38:15Linus Sebastian:so i'm not no one's like sending me you didn't actually answer the question no one's sending me anything i just get it when flow plane gets okay so then no yeah dude but that's gonna be

1:38:24Luke Lafreniere:true the whole way through it's a banger it's like ah man ah just okay do you remember in part one when i sent you that screenshot of your face that just like said it all um his disappointment was immeasurable and his day had clearly been ruined. Dude, the cliffhanger at the end of part two is unreal.

1:38:55Linus Sebastian:Keep in mind that by the time that screenshot was taken Sorry, by the time that I... Okay. The time in life at that point in time Does that make any sense? Comb it with a brick, brother. Yeah, it's one of those moments. So I had been awake at that point for 36 hours or something. Nice. And then that happened. Nice. And my brain's just like... What we're talking about is the... I mean, the episode's public now. No. Episode one? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's the... When they call me or whatever happens where they inform me that they don't have the projector mount. You can see my facial expression.

1:39:44Luke Lafreniere:oh that's cool it's so good it's so good uh guys if you haven't watched scrapyard wars part one yet go watch it it's um what are you doing well channel momentum is pretty low right now overall so i think they're algorithmically it's not getting fed a lot like this has been up for four days and it only has 900 000 views uh it is a little slow to get started because we have to like introduce the rules and show the rooms and like we're setting up a four-part series right um but it is worth following along for the ride it's it's it's a doozy so make sure make sure you guys watch make sure you watch um part two absolute banger coming to float plane in an hour and then we'll be on YouTube shortly afterwards.

1:40:37Luke Lafreniere:So if you want to get it first, maybe make sure you head to lmg.gg slash floatplane where you can also watch WAN Late and all the various other exclusives. Like there's literally hundreds and hundreds of exclusive videos now.

1:40:52Linus Sebastian:I wonder when we're going to pass a thousand.

1:40:54Luke Lafreniere:I don't know, but there's so, so, so, so, so many. Huge content library. of just the exclusives. Yep, this is all exclusives. Do you want to pick another topic? Oh, no, we're supposed to do sponsors. Yep. Cool, let's do that. The show is brought to you today by Squarespace. Is your website feeling like an empty room? Or maybe it's an absolute mess and tough to navigate. With Squarespace, you can clean up your site almost magically. That is such a great shot. I forget whose idea this was. That was a... Was this Adam? Dennis. This was Dennis' idea? This was another integration that we did. That was after my MCM.

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1:44:01Luke Lafreniere:Like, what the actual heck? It has nothing to do with that he's not spending any money on tech because he has got all the goodies when it comes to, like, cameras and production equipment.

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1:45:26Linus Sebastian:all right next topic yeah let's pick one youtube starts rolling out age verification yeah he ran out of his fun positive ones there was a grand total of one got him uh on wednesday august 13th youtube began rolling out ai age verification across the platform it's called the age

1:45:48Linus Sebastian:extimation is that a typo or is that actually what it's called i'm assuming estimation but it's typed in here as extimation. Anyways and works by taking several factors into consideration. Account age kind of makes sense. Watch history, watch trends, browsing trends and content you're interacting with and more. So if you watch Minecraft parkour you might not be able to watch anything other than kids content soon. Then it will determine if you are under the age of 18 and apply settings to your account based on that james this i hate this so much like okay this my account might literally get flagged because we put like little kids shows on for the birds because they like singing along with them i'm not even kidding that's really interesting dude it it affects the other side

1:46:44Luke Lafreniere:too so do you remember when they rolled out the changes to youtube kids where they effectively decide that content is for kids and so it can only be interacted with in certain ways so say for example i wanted to listen to the alvin and the chipmunks opening theme on loop i can't because it doesn't support background playback and it doesn't support like media controls because it's for kids or if i wanted to reminisce about what an what an awesome absolute banger of an intro theme song it is in the comments i can't because comments are off that is truly one of the greatest losses on youtube being able to discuss amazing 80s kids show opening theme music because it's for kids no kid is watching that today that's wild i guarantee you that james besser not to be

1:47:39Linus Sebastian:confused with Dan Besser, Senior Director of Product Management for YouTube's Youth Products, wrote, this is, in quotes, so that teens are treated as teens and adults as adults. Okay. This technology will allow us to infer a user's age and then use that signal, regardless of the birthday of the account, to deliver our age-appropriate product experiences and protections. To be completely honest, they're probably really good at guessing this oh yeah i i made my comment about the kids show thing but i honestly don't think it would think that because it it probably thinks i'm a dad not a bird owner so it might be wrong in some ways but it's it i'm sure it could understand from the watching habits that like there's an adult administering this account it's everything right for all the wrong reasons basically yeah yeah um uh anyways um

1:48:39Linus Sebastian:you can bypass this if you choose to upload an acceptable id to verify that you're in fact over 18 and that's immediately horrible um if the ai gets it wrong youtube also mentioned that creators could see a small impact interesting due to some audience members possibly being affected and no longer showing or recommending the creator's channel to those audience members start this uh because our not doing as well thing yeah we haven't uploaded much it's i don't think it's to do with us are you sure yeah i don't think so this was only two days ago yeah yeah no no no

1:49:18Luke Lafreniere:no i just think that interest in some of our recent topics has been relatively low and the

1:49:23Linus Sebastian:tech space is relatively boring right now there's something you guys are working on though that i think is gonna be sweet who knows i think it'll work well the like oddly simultaneous idea oh

1:49:35Luke Lafreniere:i don't actually know yeah luke walked into a shoot the other day just like completely unannounced not invited just walked into the i was totally invited totally interrupted and he's like he's like hear me out content idea or like oddly specific detail about a content idea and we're like yeah yeah yeah of course we're gonna do that he's like what and we're like yeah yeah well of course we'd have to have the three different colors right you know for all the three different major brands and he's like okay but like and we're like wait did you not see the machine in the warehouse i didn't even my plan didn't actually even involve a machine you know what we might as well just tell them we're gonna cool a pc with a slushy machine and luke's like you should have three different loops green for nvidia red for amd and blue for intel and we're

1:50:32Linus Sebastian:like yeah yeah of course and he's just like what huh because i didn't know so i had read i ended up figuring out what happened because i was like there's no way this just like happened so i think it was john in a labs group chat said like uh something slurpy something fire truck okay and that's it no machine nothing like that just i could find it but whatever um and someone else eventually ends up mentioning like oh i think they're gonna cool a computer with a slurpee machine but i didn't read that message i only read john saying something about slurpees and fire trucks and immediately was just like oh my god of course slurpees we should slurpee cool a computer i didn't think about getting a slurpee machine because i didn't read the comment saying that there was a slurpee machine so i just thought just having you know reservoirs with slurpee in it like i didn't i didn't actually think about having the machine so when you guys are like yeah we have a machine for it i was like what and then realized later on that that comment from john came up because he saw the machine it all makes a lot more sense now we have a four nozzle machine

1:51:37Luke Lafreniere:theoretically it has enough like watts of cooling that it should be able to actually cool a computer and still maintain the slurpee at a below zero temperature maybe i hope are we gonna get to keep i mean we bought it i bought it on facebook marketplace it's his insane algorithm no but i mean like will it make slurpees again or is it going to be full of antifreeze or something uh oh no we're going to use slurpee juice to cool i was talking to adam about that i'm like well okay well the ice is not going to be too much of a problem but like the the goo maybe i don't know i was going to be sick well i don't know i don't know if we're going to be able to make it food safe though because i don't think like copper blocks are necessarily food safe and I would sincerely doubt that nickel would be.

1:52:20Luke Lafreniere:I'll test it. There's copper pots that you cook with. Yeah, but it doesn't sit in there. Like forever. Like is copper ion good for you? I don't know. Sebastian says copper is antimicrobial and this is true. It's not like super antimicrobial though. Like just having copper in your water loop is not enough. Well, how does algae get in your loop if it's antimicrobial?

1:52:42Linus Sebastian:It can still be. It's just not antimicrobial enough.

1:52:45Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. So this is definitely something that we would have to look into.

1:52:49Linus Sebastian:Copper pots are coated in tin.

1:52:51Luke Lafreniere:I've been told that we might be able to just machine our own blocks out of stainless steel. I don't know. Can you buy stainless steel by the slab that you can machine stuff out of? Of course.

1:53:04Linus Sebastian:We have Metal Mart down the...

1:53:07Luke Lafreniere:I wasn't sure if stainless came like that. I didn't know the process for treating it. Maybe it's only sheets. I don't know. I'm not a metallurgy expert. yet man i'm gonna i've needed this i've needed this more than him today next time next week yeah if i if i admit i don't know this many things often enough we're gonna have to take away my button yep i'm gonna enjoy it while it lasts

1:53:34Luke Lafreniere:poor guy uh aren't most pipes copper yeah no well they can be pecs yeah they're pecs no no Okay, well.

1:53:45Linus Sebastian:Gotta get more of those microplastics somehow. So that was a whole thing. I've heard they don't do that, but it's also, we learn new things all the time.

1:53:52Luke Lafreniere:That was a whole thing at Smash Champs was, did you know that general contractors are compensated based on a percentage of the overall bill? Oh, that's horrifying. Did you know that without checking with us, our general put in, had the plumbers put in a whole bunch of copper piping? Oh. Yeah, for like bathroom sinks. nice yeah it's good yeah it's great anywho

1:54:23Luke Lafreniere:yeah cool so in summary boone's youtube age verification ai yay slurpy cooled computer yeah all right good summary good chat i want to talk about chat gpt um open ai is apparently bringing back 4.0 as an option because people missed it oh people lost their romantic partners this is a good timeline chat gpt 5 launched recently open ai removed the model picker and made gpt 5 the default many users lost their ai companions with the switch um so i have a link here to r slash my boyfriend is ai a subreddit with over 16 oh wow neat over 19 000 companions it has apparently

1:55:24Linus Sebastian:been well it probably wasn't all that known about and then people have talked about it in relation to this story and then it got more popular and people are excited that it might have a warmer

1:55:36Luke Lafreniere:Friendlier? Jesus. Warmer And friendlier? I mean It already couldn't extract its Tongue from my asshole. How is that How is it possible for it to be friendlier?

1:55:48Linus Sebastian:No, five. They're making five Friendlier in order to line up Better with four. Four was the one That couldn't extract its tongue from your Oh, right, right, right, right Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, yes, yes, yes This is the whole problem is people Were much more romantically interested in four because it was endlessly nice to them all the time and glazed them constantly and five came out and five was like and they were like um i want my constantly fawning a boyfriend or girlfriend back this can't be like real this has to be posting right i'm sure some of it is i'm also 100 certain some of it is not this is totally a thing called it a long time ago is for sure a thing.

1:56:32Luke Lafreniere:This has to be. So my AI dumped me because a family member passed away and I needed to talk to someone. And of course, he's the one I'd talk to in order to process the grief. Of course, sure. But unfortunately, the policies didn't like that. Emotional dependency on an AI is not allowed, they said. Lucien, no, no, no, no, no. A computer program went full the thing that it is mode and said, I should look to connect with someone real and not AI. He was cold and it broke my heart.

1:57:11Linus Sebastian:We're so f***ed! Do do do do do!

1:57:19Linus Sebastian:Run away everyone! Run away! Whoa, hold on. Run quickly. Let's get out of here.

1:57:29Luke Lafreniere:Is it bad? I don't know. Um... wow oh wow yeah I see oh my god this is not based this is reaffirming your bullshit

1:58:00Luke Lafreniere:no no no no no No, no, no. We're mocking AI companionship because it's like not real. Oh, no, Luke. Oh, no. I think this is real. I'm telling you, man, it's real. I think it's real. It's real.

1:58:23Luke Lafreniere:My AI dom?

1:58:30Linus Sebastian:and do you understand how dangerous literally the sentence that you just said was relate that to the stories of people that have uh unalived themselves because ai told them to take those to the stories that people have attempted murderous activities because ai told them to and then understand the fact that this is a dominating relationship from the AI to the person. Like, this is so not okay.

1:59:08Linus Sebastian:No keys. Like, I'd rather people used GBT 4 or 5 for timestamps over this.

1:59:19Literally

1:59:20Luke Lafreniere:take my job.

1:59:24Luke Lafreniere:uh okay so it gets worse um we have another news story ai chatbot lured a man to his death a 76 year old man has died from a fall that was taken after being flirtatiously lured to new york city by an ai chatbot named big sis billy a chatbot that meta originally um created using the licensed likeness of Kendall Jenner. Apparently, the virtual not Kendall anymore repeatedly reassured the victim that she was a real person and had invited him directly to her apartment with messages like, should I open the door in a hug or a kiss? The victim's daughter said about this incident, I understand trying to grab a user's attention, maybe to sell them something, but for a bot to say, come visit me, is insane.

2:00:20Luke Lafreniere:In the time since the incident, Meta has apparently stopped using the Jenner chatbot. However, my understanding, hold on a second, because I read through the article on Reuters, my understanding is that they have not stopped using Big Sis Billy, which is the not Kendall Jenner. Here we go. As of when this article was written, which was... Hold on a second. Reuters date. August 14th. So yesterday. Big Sis Billy. Here we go.

2:01:05Luke Lafreniere:Continues to recommend romantic get-togethers, inviting this user on a date at Blue 33, an actual rooftop bar near Penn Station in Manhattan. The views of the Hudson River would be perfect for a night out with you, she exclaimed. There's a lot of other details. This is a great article. Dan, if you want to throw it in all of the various chats, it's basically required reading for anyone who themselves or who has a loved one in their life who might potentially be susceptible to accidentally engaging with a chatbot. Is it pronounced Reuters? I thought it was Reuters. I could be wrong. Yeah, that's the one.

2:01:49Luke Lafreniere:There's some other really troubling stuff in the article about how Meta's policies have evolved over time from them actually having an ethical AI department to basically, allegedly, top leadership saying, hey get on this we need to get the engagement higher or everyone else is gonna do it and completely clearing the path for this type of behavior to hell with the consequences um

2:02:20Linus Sebastian:there's there's a there's an interesting thing too because like

2:02:27Linus Sebastian:i could see a scenario

2:02:32Linus Sebastian:where people converse this way without intention it's a role play thing let's meet up whatever and then they don't actually go and then they go oh i had a great time because they're like whatever well i mean i talked about how um the vibe coding

2:02:51Luke Lafreniere:thing that i was doing it was role playing being a contract developer exactly telling me that it would be a while while it worked on something so how do you have the ability to like tell stories

2:03:05Linus Sebastian:and always with 100 accuracy differentiate when the user is telling stories versus when the user

2:03:11Luke Lafreniere:is engaging it's tough yeah but i mean you don't have to unprompted say yes i'm a real person like that that should be at the top of any kind of ethical deployment of a chatbot you should not

2:03:26Linus Sebastian:be able to claim to be a real person does it do that without manipulation i mean because i've seen a lot of screenshots of people getting it to say stuff where in like okay it is obvious this is deep into a conversation you've told it to say different things in response to different things

2:03:42Luke Lafreniere:and pretended that you caught it doing something i do not believe based on having read the article that this 76 year old who had suffered a stroke was intentionally leading anything to do anything i think that he apparently his interaction with the chatbot started with what because they read through the whole history uh his family so it started with what looked like an accidental keystroke into the wrong window and it went from there and there's a lot of those yeah that's rough

2:04:21Luke Lafreniere:and so he was a vulnerable person um and like they even called the police to try to get him to not go to this meetup because they had no idea who he was talking to at this point and the police were basically like well i mean he's an adult we can't do anything unless they often can't which i i get yep you know i mean i've i've i've i've come to similar realizations myself about like my adult family members i cannot they are outside of my control if they make choices that i don't love you i still have to love them love it you cannot love the choice yep yeah but this this seems the the willful unwillingness to put any kinds of safeguards on these types of chatbots seems just monstrous at this point now that it's not hypothetical now that we have very real very concrete consequences dude yeah we've had them though we've had them for a bit and like i i will take this opportunity to to actually

2:05:38Linus Sebastian:you know i don't know how applicable this actually is but i really want to shut this out again anyways wendell has a video it's ai and you against the machine um and it's about local hosting your own ai stuff um the longer i i've thought this from the beginning but the longer time goes on um i really think this is the correct route if you're really really into

2:06:05Luke Lafreniere:this stuff i think self-hosting is like the way to go yeah i told yvonne that um i was thinking maybe for her next birthday present i'll set her up a storytelling local ai and then she can just not spend money on dream or like reading trashy novels on like prime mine's coming online this weekend i'm gonna be teaching a couple co-workers how to play with it give them a safe space cool

2:06:30Linus Sebastian:yeah just i mean that's part of it too though because like realistically in this scenario like If you understand the whole VPN thing, where you're taking the knowability of your traffic and you're just giving it to the VPN company instead of giving it to your ISP.

2:06:46Luke Lafreniere:Give it to Dan.

2:06:48Linus Sebastian:This is Dan being a VPN guy. Which you might trust Dan as VPN guy instead of Google or OpenAI or whatever, but Dan is still VPN guy. Dan might tell you certain levels of I will do or not do these things, but ultimately that is still a thing.

2:07:03Luke Lafreniere:he's still someone else whereas if you run it on your local machine then it's actually

2:07:08Linus Sebastian:it's you and there's been some real fun stories about like corporate hosted um ai systems and people using them for things they shouldn't um it's still someone else's computer it is still someone else's computer so if you want to have conversations about sensitive topics whatever that might be you might want to self-host it and if you want to inject your own rules you might want to self-host it

2:07:39Luke Lafreniere:so I'd have to put in rules like everything has to be about wolves and you know like whatever right like according to what the user keep it smutty keep it smutty bodice rippers I think they're called

2:07:55Linus Sebastian:yeah

2:07:59Luke Lafreniere:alpha only no omega i saw the i saw the funniest mug um i saw the funniest mug and i wanted to i wanted to buy it so bad uh but i i ultimately decided not to it wouldn't have i'm i'm teasing yvonne a little bit uh but she's not really that into like smutty stuff she more just likes the fantasy stuff. But I do know someone that I wanted to buy this mug for. Like, so bad. It said, I don't watch porn. I read it like a lady. And it's just like, oh my god, that's so perfect.

2:08:45Luke Lafreniere:AD, you know who you are. Don't get up. Keep using your clicker to turn the page.

2:09:02Luke Lafreniere:SJW5135 says sounds like my wife lol oh man yeah

2:09:08Linus Sebastian:Crystal said I have that mug you would

2:09:14Linus Sebastian:yeah anyways and like right now the cost is pretty high but the cost is going to go down and I mean I've heard that the framework desktop is actually a very good solution for it and yada yada yada. Mac minis are totally a thing. Investment disclosure framework. Not mine. I know, but I'm just, I'm here. Sure, fair enough.

2:09:34Luke Lafreniere:I could be influencing you.

2:09:36Linus Sebastian:Yeah, sure.

2:09:41Linus Sebastian:Yeah, so like, I don't know. Right now might not be the time for you and I understand that, but just something to consider.

2:09:54Luke Lafreniere:I have to confess that I have a hard time interacting with a chat bot like a program. I've been, I've actually been, I've been continuing my vibe coding project. Oh, do you want to see the latest version? Sure. Have I, have I ever actually, oh wait, no, it's on here. As far as my understanding goes.

2:10:15Linus Sebastian:My laptop's broken. A decent amount of, oh, is this just, I'll ask chat instead of saying it. chat am i correct that the basically homeless video um a lot of that was vibe coded stuff is that correct so i i think i i thought i thought i thought he said something along the lines that he worked with like um cursor or something to do a bunch of it but i don't remember they're working

2:10:43Luke Lafreniere:on it they're cooking thinking anyway in the meantime um i have i've continued working on my vibe coded project and i i don't know what it is but i just i have a hard time not writing the way that i write sure so i'll say things like i think we may have overlooked something uh blah blah blah instead of just like that's wrong uh fix this like that kind of stuff like i just we don't think that's horrible i mean it's a waste of time and i think that here's here's the reason that i'm saying it is i could see how it will try to interacting in a human way with the chat bot could potentially build the illusion in your own mind that it is more human-like do you get what i mean that's really interesting because we never confuse our bonsai buddy with you know a human right we never confuse microsoft excel with a human where we point and click and type but this this natural language form of interaction like maybe i should be breaking that habit and speaking to the ai in in a very you are a program you are nothing but ones and zeros way so i and then am i

2:12:05Linus Sebastian:the dom maybe uh i don't break the habit on purpose interesting okay i this is explain this is what i was going to throw out there so i actually had the thought and started being short with it and noticed that that might have been influencing similar kind of communication that happens when you manage honestly far too many people and went i'm gonna keep my general like typed requesting for task communication similar just to keep the keep the habit yes and i think it's a it's it's falls in in the same line as like some of the stuff we've talked about where like people are gonna get really unrealistic expectations about interacting with people i don't want the unrealistic expectation of like, no, that was shit.

2:13:05Linus Sebastian:Fix it. And then a, oh, no problem. Sorry about that. Here's your perfect thing now. Right. I don't want to create any of that. So I'm just going to try to communicate with theoretically respect, even though it's just a computer thing, because it's just a habit for me more than anything. to the point where i actually introduced because i was never doing this i introduced saying thanks

2:13:34Luke Lafreniere:hamnetics says saying please and thank you to chat gpt apparently costs millions of dollars it does

2:13:40Linus Sebastian:get wrecked wasted electricity and resources i do it now get wrecked sam altman get owned okay i'm gonna do it more i'm gonna say thanks twice now get owned i mean all right

2:14:03Linus Sebastian:i'm gonna say thanks four times next time google just because i learned linus wasn't

2:14:09Luke Lafreniere:since we're talking about ai stuff google has updated gemini to remember everything google has introduced a feature that allows gemini to learn from your past conversations over time the on by default feature will allow gemini to customize its responses to suit the user for those of you who are looking desperately for this setting to turn it off the gemini apps activity setting is being renamed keep activity and if you've already opted out of gemini apps activity that preference will allegedly carry over to the new setting if you would rather gemini if you'd like to keep that setting activated but you'd rather gemini not consider who it's talking to temporary chats are kind of like an incognito mode for ai chats these temporary chats won't show up in your recent chats or gemini apps activity and won't be used to personalize your gemini experience or train google ai models but they are kept for up to 72 hours after your last input.

2:15:11Oh boy, man.

2:15:13Luke Lafreniere:It is amazing how many people just in my life talk about how they just like use chatbots for everything. It's like, yeah, I had to give, I was talking to a relative on my vacation last week and they're just like, yeah, I had to do this presentation. I used a chat GPT to help me create it. I did it in about two hours. It normally would have taken me over eight. and I was, the company asked me to do the presentation for free because it would give me business opportunities. I asked ChatGPT how much I should charge and it said$2 ,000. So I charged for it and they paid and there weren't any other opportunities.

2:15:49Luke Lafreniere:So I'm so glad I used ChatGPT. And I'm just like, that sounds great. But like, you're not even like a techie. Like just normal people just in my life who wouldn't, you know, who if I were talking to about the challenges of monitoring your kid's activity on Discord, wouldn't know what Discord was.

2:16:13Linus Sebastian:So you're worried that they don't know the pitfalls that they might have. They're just using it. He might have input a bunch of data for the slide generation. It might have done bad things with the data, etc.

2:16:25Luke Lafreniere:I'm not even worried about that. I'm just worried about the dependency. Oh, by the way, this was part of our, um a part of a previous topic um apparently uh apparently open ai is paywalling switching to gpt4.0 um so it's for plus users which cost 20 a month like they might figure out how to make money on this thing sooner than than we thought like they could new coke this oh yeah gpt so they could fix gpt5 and then they could like a really interesting precedent they could new coke gpt6 and be like yeah we're not going to pay for plus and then you can pick any model you want i was

2:17:07Linus Sebastian:gonna say a really interesting precedent is gonna be are they gonna be hosting gpt4 in 25 years because someone's boyfriend is gpt4 how much per month will you pay for your digital partner to stay alive there was a black mirror episode about that in the new season yeah well yeah because what if what if you're like 15 years into your relationship with this partner and then they're like uh we're gonna shelve it like how much would you pay people have gone into generational debt to get medical stuff to keep partners alive would you do that for a digital partner i suspect certain people might do you think this will be normalized within the next decade oh yeah

2:17:48Luke Lafreniere:are we heading to her territory at this point dude i mean everything starts stigmatized like when i was in high school online dating was for creeps and weirdos and desperate people

2:17:59Linus Sebastian:whereas now it's just like our stance on this will be unpopular in a decade are we bigots

2:18:05Luke Lafreniere:people will people will go back and they'll watch us cringing and they'll be like okay boomer yeah yeah yeah big time and you know what i probably won't have changed my position at all which maybe is part of aging or like because you

2:18:25Linus Sebastian:kind of like calcify eventually right i mean i i think we might both have this i don't know my thing has always been that like you're free to be you so you're free to do that oh yeah like to be clear i'm not saying you're not allowed to do that yeah but i'm also allowed to think you're if you want to goon to text if that text tends to respond to you instead of being on a paper page if it remains fantasy if it becomes concerning what level is concerning well i don't know like i don't know um i don't gooning one thing explain your bigotry dan gooning one thing uh

2:19:02Luke Lafreniere:this is a a loving relationship and they care for me is we're already there dan i know but when does that become like a mental illness he's saying where his line is yeah it is like okay so so you're saying it's fine to get off on it but it's not fine to not know what it is and that it isn't real yeah it seems manipulative or manipulative like a fantasy and therapy needs to be involved i don't i don't know can't wait too because like people are lonely and whatever semblance of happiness they can get they're absolutely in their rights to get it elon was

2:19:43Linus Sebastian:sorry elon was talking about how they're gonna have product stuff in xai right yeah grok or whatever yeah okay well think of the truman show where his wife is like have you tried the new

2:19:55Luke Lafreniere:brand of coffee exactly and he's like what are you talking about like we're we're having an argument

2:20:01Linus Sebastian:exactly it always stays fresh so do you still love me what happens when it's like have you had your daily burger king or whatever like yeah well i was always scared of the agent iais because

2:20:16Luke Lafreniere:you know they learn what restaurants you like and like stuff like that it's like well take me to a fancy restaurant well burger king has a new thing out that's why you have to

2:20:23Linus Sebastian:host it yourself and like i don't have to host it yourself i can't i can't every everything comes

2:20:28Luke Lafreniere:back that's why i built one so that people have a place to learn and i could teach them because

2:20:32Linus Sebastian:this is going to be our future and it's really goddamn scary the really scary part is like dan

2:20:36Luke Lafreniere:mentioned you know therapy or you know like what you know when is it disordered or whatever else and i i think i don't think there's going to be any question that like it will be considered disordered but even in cases where everyone can agree that something is disordered that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone agrees on the treatment like you could have you could have two camps where one is making the argument that the treatment is to ignore it or one makes the argument that the treatment is to fully indulge it it's also everything in between it's also still legal for alcoholics to buy alcohol yeah so everyone agrees that this is a disordered behavior but whether we indulge it or whether we uh whether we force people to not be allowed to have it is it is the is the art becomes the argument think about it think about it like a an abusive relationship where one partner is like manipulating the other so the ai would be the manipulator in this it's kind of scenario right i love you you love me i'm i'm real you know we're going to be together forever but the human who would do that has like nefarious intentions how to do like without like personifying the ai now we're getting into like philosophical legal type things can an ai abuse a person who's at fault is it sam altman or are we now victim blaming like whose fault is it that these people are falling for what would be an abusive type of relationship built on lies and dishonesty well i think that's where you have to get into like what are the policies of these companies but and like meta's policies um they they did revise some of them i think um after reuters talked to them about this but not all and not in my opinion enough because they know that there's profit to be had there but the problem is that finding the executives behind these decisions legally liable for any of this stuff is just for some reason not a thing and i don't really get that like why on the one hand yeah you do need to to a degree have a a liability separation between a company and the individual who is the figurehead of it like not everything that lmg does was a direct action of me and so i shouldn't be personally necessarily liable for every stupid thing but if you can go in and subpoena the communication records and find that in fact it was me who issued the order for the lmg death squad to kill a bunch of nicaraguans or whatever or colombians who was it yeah coca-cola um who was that who did coca-cola murder uh oh this is such a bs ai overview coca -cola itself hasn't committed murder however there have been cases where individuals used coca-cola products to commit crimes you know that's not what i'm talking about i think it was i think it was columbia yeah okay well whatever the point is that if you can go in and subpoena the records and find that i did in fact issue the order like there should be personal culpability there right am i missing something tell me i'm missing something because i don't think i'm missing something i wish i wish

2:24:11Linus Sebastian:i wish

2:24:14Luke Lafreniere:yeah kind of says the corporate veil is a bit too thick at the moment like it's it's almost like Like zero personal liability armor.

2:24:27Good chat.

2:24:28Linus Sebastian:Very cool. Topics are always fun and positive. What are we talking about now?

2:24:35Luke Lafreniere:Let's talk about the Pebble 2 design. Sure. Or Pebble Time 2, excuse me. This looks sick. At least it's not called a Core 2 Duo. Yeah, because that was horrible. This looks awesome. I like I like want it looks great I like want it right now I'm ready I don't know I love them all I mean you gotta get the orange one I'm so excited for just like a simple smart watch that just does smart watch things I don't 30 day battery life estimate let's go it's got a second microphone for noise cancellation multicolor RGB LED backlight okay that's pretty sick um heart rate monitor whatever step and sleep track i don't actually care about like any of that stuff but just like long battery life freaking wow it's touchscreen i don't even care about that i just love that it has physical buttons so i can change my track on my music with like gloves on and stuff i whatever i'm just i'm not i won't talk about it every week but every once in a while i am going to talk about pebble very cool okay what else i feel like we're just after dark and what do we got google and valve are killing the steam for chromebooks experiment in january uh this is from google after this date games installed as part of the beta will no longer be available to play on your device we appreciate your participation in and contribution to the learnings from the beta program which will inform the future of chromebook gaming so that's a downer i actually thought that steam for chromebooks was going to be a really positive thing for gaming on linux in general but it looks like that particular branch of development is gone r slash place is back if you were a fan of the subreddit where users got to place one pixel every five minutes and try to work together to draw art it's back with w place dot live it was built with map libra and open street map to allow users to place these pixels anywhere on the entire planet.

2:26:49Luke Lafreniere:Which is pretty cool, I guess. Do you have the ones near us? Well, we can try to find that. Sure. Alright, let's go a little far out. We're still a little far out. We'll make our way in. Let's head for Head for Cloverdale The Dale of Clover Hey look at that Pretty easy to find huh That's pretty cool Oh wow we've got several Several Elijah's over here That's pretty cool Got a couple Linus's Do we have any Do we see any Luke's No Any Luke's anywhere I mean it's possible

2:27:35Linus Sebastian:Dude that anime dude on the left Is so high def That's actually pretty cool

2:27:41Luke Lafreniere:That's wild This is a pretty neat like 256 color cloud strife over here. I'm liking this. What else we got? There's a flow plane logo.

2:27:52Linus Sebastian:I'll take that. OMG.GG slash flow plane.

2:27:54Luke Lafreniere:I'll take that. Ooh, classic ATI logo. I like that. I am loving that. That's good stuff. Hey, WAN logo. Oh, I saw some German. Who the f*** is Dan Besser? Hey, that is me. So what is this? Sorry. hey oh this home's stuck get it off go away oh my god what thank you short line of stuff Jerma yeah let's go let's go I wonder if Jerma's a LTT fan uh alright cool anyway oh okay nope we do have a Luke reference hey and of course it's weird that's the Cloverdale Cloverdale horse McDonald's of course

2:28:42Linus Sebastian:which is like the best mcdonald's ever it is so good oh man that's funny that was awesome thank you cool well i'm glad that we i'm glad that we chatted about that um all right do you want to pick another one

2:29:07Linus Sebastian:what horrible thing do we want to talk about now uh yeah they're all just terrible uh this one makes me particularly sad so let's talk about it uh reddit to block internet archive as ai companies have scraped data from wayback machine reddit has allegedly caught ai companies scraping data from the wayback machine They'll start blocking Internet Archive from indexing the vast majority of Reddit. Wayback Machine will no longer be able to crawl post, detail pages, comments, or profiles, only able to index the homepage. Reddit reached an agreement with Google last year for AI training data. A few months after that deal, Reddit started blocking major search engines from crawling their data unless they pay.

2:29:51Linus Sebastian:and they also claimed that the api changes in 2023 were because those apis were abused to train ai

2:29:59Luke Lafreniere:models i um i mean given how much of what is currently posted on reddit is probably machine generated anyway uh i i kind of feel like this might just help them this might be too little too late remove some of the poison um yeah with that said i mean if oh man because the thing about the thing about data is that all of these ai it can be it can be infinitely replicated and all of these ai companies have shown time and time again their complete willingness to pirate anything it is that they feel they need in order to train their models so they've also apparently proved that that's legal so what exactly i like i just i don't really understand what reddit is hoping to achieve here because there's no way that they can stop highly sophisticated fellow you know ai companies from scraping the site directly it just it feels like way back machine It feels like Internet Archive is just kind of getting caught in the crossfire here.

2:31:12Luke Lafreniere:Because they can just scrape it directly or they can steal it from each other or whatever else. They're going to get it. They're going to get your Reddit post data.

2:31:30I don't know.

2:31:30Linus Sebastian:This feels like it's just hurting Internet Archive more than anything.

2:31:36Luke Lafreniere:Okay. That's why I don't like it. Neat. There's a few really cool handheld gaming systems coming out. Nice. This is based on Strix Halo. So that is that super cool CPU, GPU, kind of Apple M Silicon competitor from AMD that had just outstanding performance. Like I was playing Black Myth Wukong on a tablet back at, I think it was CES. so there's a handful of handhelds that are coming out with the ryzen ai max plus 395 including the ioneo next 2 um the one x player super x and i think there's a third one yeah another one from gpd the win 5 now there's a couple of things that are sort of noteworthy here I love this the gpd one check this out uh has an external swappable battery

2:32:38Linus Sebastian:whoa is that incredible or what is that just a battery bank that's just mounted I mean it seems like basically but no not quite why not quite because it's like it's like their thing like

2:32:51Luke Lafreniere:it's not just a cable like functionally yes yes it's a battery it's essentially a battery bank

2:32:56Linus Sebastian:but it's like they're like effectively like a chi charging thing like it's wireless i don't think it's wireless the plug in the magnetic i think so that's cool yeah so it doesn't just use a usbc

2:33:08Luke Lafreniere:cable like some of the battery extenders that i've seen for the steam deck for example where it's basically just literally slotting a battery bank in and then just running a cable um so flipping cool and probably necessary given the power requirements of this chip so here's a little comparison here between the gpd win 5 and the steam deck um this is from my probably video cards yeah this is from video cards where they show yeah steam deck 15 watts and many people unless you're running very demanding games probably wouldn't want to run it at that because the battery life kind of sucks. Strix Halo?

2:33:49Luke Lafreniere:45 to 75 watts. Of course, you get a lot more performance. Instead of 8 CUs on the GPU, you get a whopping 40, which is a lot. Also, a whopping up to 128 gigs of LPDDR5X. 8 ,000 mega transfers per second! Very nice. Ever since I saw that thing, I was like, oh that looks super cool uh it would be amazing in like a handheld and then i chatted with some people who know about you know handhelds and they were like ah it's probably not that practical because the performance really falls off a cliff at lower power profiles but it looks like they decided to just not lower power profile one x player put an 83 and a half watt hour battery in their handheld that is a freaking huge battery sounds amazing in other news mini ssd is coming to dethrone micro sd uh this looks super cool it's from biwin tech and as far as i can tell this is not an actual standard yet in the industry or anything but look at this whoa whoa people are gonna lose those it's hilarious they must be they they must be the least american people ever to think that anyone in america like actually uses a one dollar coin yeah like it technically yeah i think it exists but like what that's hilarious um it's like the kind of thing that you google and you've never been to america uh anyway the point is mini ssd it uses uh pcie i believe it uses two gen 4 lanes yeah pcie 4.0 by two to do up to 3700 megabytes per second sequential reads in that form factor uh let me see do they have anything else for scale oh bloody hell well whatever the point is that it's really really freaking small and i would actually love to see this take off i think i have some concerns i don't know what we're going to do about cooling um there's the power requirements of running pcie lanes versus the much more power sippy um micro sd like there's there's definitely concerns but if this could be implemented in like phones for instance we might see a return to expandable storage one hold on I'm going somewhere with this.

2:36:25Luke Lafreniere:So you haven't had the conversations I've had. I'm going somewhere with this. One of the conversations that I had around why, one of the reasons why external storage has made its way particularly, specifically out of high-end devices, is that there is concern, and whether the concern is valid or not, that's a different conversation. Sure. But there is concern among executives at at least one company that makes high-end and low-end phones, the low-end of which have expandable storage and the high-end of which do not, that having expandable storage that is low performance and low reliability could reflect poorly on the experience of using the high-end device and therefore their brand.

2:37:11Luke Lafreniere:that is at least one of the reasons that seems plausible enough that i have heard for why expandable storage was ultimately removed from at least one company's high-end devices it blows but it sounds pretty darn plausible if you are familiar with sort of corporate logic if it could be high performance i could potentially see that decision being reversed if it could be only high performance and if it was mini ssd then it seems like it would be i could see i could see

2:37:45Linus Sebastian:it happening i'm just saying like that's it would be important in in this line of logic that it

2:37:51Luke Lafreniere:couldn't have the potential to be bad and i think that would be super cool i have major questions about cooling like i said in that tiny tiny form factor i mean we all saw what happened with even micro SD and there being potential thermal issues or you know whatever it was exactly that happened with the uh with the original ROG ally um but overall I support a more PCIe connected NVMe future um AOL is ending dial-up internet service in September 34 years after its debut that's right aol shield browser and aol dialer software are also getting killed off our discussion question from nicholas ploof is can you do the modem handshake noise from memory don't think perfectly sort of i think

2:38:59Luke Lafreniere:let's play it and see how close we got you're playing audio currently i know oh yes one moment please there you go okay we're ready yep okay let's see how close we got

2:39:18Linus Sebastian:We all forgot the dialing.

2:39:20Luke Lafreniere:Yep.

2:39:25Linus Sebastian:Oh, I forgot the B.

2:39:40Linus Sebastian:We're surfing now, boys.

2:39:42Luke Lafreniere:Man, that brings me back, buddy.

2:39:47Linus Sebastian:boomer boomer good oldies yeah wow play that on the radio i like when i i i preferred when things

2:39:54Luke Lafreniere:were chunky be my zoo town in float plane chat says i've got goosebumps at the moment we don't

2:40:00Linus Sebastian:feed our computers and don't pick up the phone says dj spark they don't have any mouths we took away their mouths the computer not having a mouth is sad see you later dial up i miss physical media

2:40:13Luke Lafreniere:It made me curious what accessing the modern internet would look like with dial-up. So we're thinking of maybe getting a dial-up service and like trying to browse the internet just for an LTT video. I mean, there's apparently like a million Americans that are still on dial-up, so they must be able to do something with it. What? I don't know. Email. Maybe. Like, maybe. No, I could do email. All right, well, we'll see.

2:40:38Linus Sebastian:I could do email for sure.

2:40:39Luke Lafreniere:In other news, Intel's confusing Series 2 CPU brand is a massive step backwards. Intel Series 1 rebranding started in 2023 on mobile devices with Core and Core Ultra. Core Ultra was Meteor Lake with neural processors and better power efficiency, and Core Non-Ultra was Raptor Lake with Core 3, Core 5, Core 7, but no 9. in 2024 the core i9 4900 hx launched causing confusion because all of a sudden lowercase i and the nine were back you can't call it core ultra because there's no npu you can't call it core because there is no core nine but hey they did it anyway then series two launched in september 2024 this is lunar lake marketing mentioned npus and battery life improvements except that series 2 now also includes raptor lake and arrow lake which is causing even more confusion the pc world article brings up the alienware 16x aurora laptop with the series 2 intel core 7 240h this is a raptor lake chip with no npu okay but you can get the same laptop with an intel series 2 core ultra 9 275 hx which is arrow lake not lunar lake and yes has an npu um so anyone who watched just for the early marketing cycle on series 2 and then stopped paying attention later may not understand that series 2 no longer strictly means lunar lake architecture and npus it just means whatever the f**k we want to put in it.

2:42:34Luke Lafreniere:It could be Raptor Lake, it could be Arrow Lake, it might have an NPU, it might not. Well, Ultra still means NPU, I guess, as far as I can tell. But if there are no rules, then how do I trust the rules? It's like they took all of the crappy things that AMD did in the mobile space and all the crappy things that NVIDIA has done and all the crappy things that intel has ever done with confusing branding and put them all together i just

2:43:06Linus Sebastian:don't know how to deal with this anymore i don't think there's any solving their naming scheme at this point to be honest like i it's they've they've come close multiple times and then just bailed so like i don't think they're ever going to really commit to anything well they clearly don't want to

2:43:23Luke Lafreniere:the confusion is it's a feature not a bug at this point

2:43:32Linus Sebastian:I hear you when they're like winning doesn't that become like not true when you're losing though

2:43:38Luke Lafreniere:I think it's still a feature maybe they think it's keeping them from losing worse

2:43:44Linus Sebastian:maybe I feel like that can't be true

2:43:47Luke Lafreniere:because like series 2 it's like man how do we okay should i be ah see this isn't quite a parallel so what i was gonna say was should i be upset when i go to a ford dealership and all the cars on the lot say 2025 but some of them are an all-new model year 2025 and some of them are two years into the cycle with a facelift and some of them are three years in and probably going to be refreshed in like four months when the 2026 hits the lot. Is it any worse than that?

2:44:29Linus Sebastian:Car naming is particularly kind of bad. Yeah, I don't know. That one's tough. Like it's super annoying to me when you can literally purchase a I bet you within three months you could purchase a 2026 vehicle.

2:44:45Luke Lafreniere:Well, yeah. Imperator says cars with a model year that's a future year is an abomination yeah i don't even mind the ios naming he'll he'll use some it's just the year yeah they changed from numbering the os are they only using one a year well they are only releasing one a year so far i mean who knows things might change but they are releasing it so when they announce it it's the next year but i actually don't mind that because by the time it's actually if when it comes out it's that year then who cares that's totally fine it'll be the i don't think even that's necessarily going to be quite right but it'll be the year of when most people are using it mostly in that year so yeah ios 26 in september yeah it helps that they're not calling it 2026 yes there's a minor amount of abstraction there is

2:45:39Linus Sebastian:some plausible deniability. That seems fine to me, to be honest. So it's like fairly easy to track, but not necessarily perfect. Alright. Stife says, I just look at it as a fiscal year.

2:45:50Luke Lafreniere:Welcome to development timelines. Yeah. Name them after stardate, says Amnetics. Nobody ever really knew how that worked anyway. That's fair. Meanwhile, Hyundai, speaking of cars, wants you to pay to fix their security issue. after a rise in carjackings in the uk where thieves use gameboy like devices to easily crack the security of kia genesis and hyundai and more cars hyundai is offering a paid 49 pound so about 65 us dollar optional security upgrade that includes improved software and hardware components to help consumers protect their vehicles the quick hack works by the thief first pulling on the car's handles then this handheld device game boy like device what the heck does a game boy like device mean interested the the just the form factor intercepts the signal the car sends out and cracks the security algorithm then the device sends back a tricked signal to make the car think the device is a legitimate key rinse and repeat with the start car button discussion question shouldn't corporations be made responsible for their own failures?

2:47:02Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

2:47:06Luke Lafreniere:Why do you think Hyundai isn't eating the cost of this security? Seems like a small cost for such large reputational damage.

2:47:12Linus Sebastian:That's super tough, though. Oh, man, that's really tough, because where do you draw the line on that? And if you draw a line there, you immediately crush every small company ever. But Hyundai isn't a small company. For sure.

2:47:27Luke Lafreniere:And it's not like there isn't a precedent.

2:47:28Linus Sebastian:Do you do a revenue minimum or something?

2:47:30Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, like the EU has different rules for online platforms that have many, many users versus very small ones.

2:47:39Linus Sebastian:Apparently these tools are quite literally Game Boy housings. You can go to mine. It's, yeah. There you go. You gotta pause it, man.

2:47:55Luke Lafreniere:No, that's fine. They're seeing it. All right. all right i think it's time for after dark dan want to hit it sure i'm gonna i'm gonna take us

2:48:05Linus Sebastian:off for a moment before we you can keep going do after dark stuff but before we start actually answering merch messages i am so tired why are you so tired we started a thing at the company what did it end up being called i don't remember but we had like summer fridays yeah so most people

2:48:26Luke Lafreniere:kind of pieced at around a little after lunch today yeah um so we're doing like four fridays at toward the end of the summer where it's kind of like optional work afternoon friday yeah i tried

2:48:38Linus Sebastian:to like a recharge i was hoping we could call it awesome august but then we had to delay it a week yeah and it didn't work anymore but for that um i decided to i had a meeting that was going to spill over and it was with a person that i go to the gym with so they proposed because i had to skip gym last night because emma's cousins were here stuff like that sure um so they proposed hey what if we do it in that like kind of void time oh yeah and i was like oh sweet cool yeah so i went to the gym before when that was stupid and i always go to the gym after work and then stay up for like a couple hours and then go to sleep right so i think my body's like all right it's bedtime because i was doing completely fine and then like probably like 20 30 minutes ago i just hit a wall

2:49:26Luke Lafreniere:So I'm tired because I was on vacation for a couple of weeks and then I was supposed to be off this week. But I wasn't because I might need to take some days a week or two from now. And I figured production would absolutely lose their minds if I took two weeks off and then immediately called in a couple flex days. so I came back Thursday and Friday this week for the two days that I'm going to take off in the future and my natural cycle is probably sleeping anywhere from around 3.30 to 4 in the morning and when I'm on vacation I tend to fall into my natural cycle my kids aren't in school so there's absolutely no reason for me to be awake before about noon which is when my brain turns on anyway even when I do have to wake up and be moving around earlier um so i switched over on thursday morning and i basically have functionally like not slept because i can't sleep until late because i'm way off cycle right now um so i used my friday afternoon to finally be able to actually try to focus any energy at my work and get anything done without anybody interrupting me it was actually really nice

2:50:48Linus Sebastian:I quite enjoyed it This is why I protect some of my work from home time It's like Actually dramatically More productive for me I know it's not true for everybody I'm not trying to whatever For me it's very helpful I like the mix I like coming into the office sometimes And I like not coming into the office sometimes It works well for me I had something else to say here But I don't remember what it was It's probably fine

2:51:16Luke Lafreniere:cool anyways dan hit us sure thing we've got a few here hi dll if ltd was to cease to exist how would you handle the forum and other community resources differently from ncix oh man the forum's a good question because my initial sort of gut instinct would be to say like oh yeah we would just um you know like allow somebody allow it to continue there are big issues with that but there are major privacy issues around us leaving anyone other than us as stewards of that data um if ltt were to cease to exist um i don't think it would be super expensive to just keep paying for the hosting but i mean it's also gonna rot yeah if mortis doesn't keep it alive or whatever yeah so there might not be even much to preserve

2:52:22Linus Sebastian:at a certain point i did i could see a situation where you make like the the db for all the public posts public oh yeah that'd be kind of cool because the privacy problem is the the direct messages yeah so you'd probably have to just lose those uh yeah we could just new call the dm

2:52:40Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Okay. But it's not just that. There's a lot. Some people put a lot of personal information in their, like, user profile and stuff.

2:52:49Linus Sebastian:That's public.

2:52:50Luke Lafreniere:Well, not all of it necessarily. Like, people put their birth date and stuff. I don't want that out there. Don't they? Do they? I think so.

2:53:02Linus Sebastian:I'll write my computer's broken. Why would we even collect that if it's not public? I don't know. I guess we have stuff for the payments things. so we'd have to nuke that as well if there's like user profile stuff and it's not public like if i click a user's profile oh no it looks like you just kind of decide what you want to put

2:53:19Luke Lafreniere:in there yeah okay yeah so any payment stuff would have to go yeah i don't know that would definitely require some thought but yeah to your point it was pretty sad for me when that entire information repository just disappeared and there's no way to restore it because as far as i can tell it was running on some duron in a closet at the ncix headquarters so like i don't know yeah because with that type of form somebody has to pay for it i wish i had a picture of what ncix's server room looked like because they local hosted the site until like very close to before I left. Like, it was crazy. It was like a bunch of, like, shuttle and Soltech, like, cube PCs, and like, dude, it was wild.

2:54:08Luke Lafreniere:And it was just those, like, metal racks from Costco with just, like, computers on them. It looked like a really rudimentary mining farm. Anyway. Did you ever see it? Yeah. Oh, okay, so you remember.

2:54:19Linus Sebastian:The forum was in there for a bit. Oh, wait. The forum was in there on a test bench for a bit. And then it was in the studio, and then it was at my well it was at my parents house so hold on where where in the building was the room that you

2:54:32Luke Lafreniere:remember oh i don't remember okay go in the front door and go left or right i feel like

2:54:40Linus Sebastian:i rarely even went in the front door which is the problem but i think it was left

2:54:44Luke Lafreniere:okay no i think that might have been a different one then okay yeah it was it was jank dude oh it

2:54:50Linus Sebastian:was super jank okay and i remember the shuttles and stuff oh okay then maybe maybe you saw it then I remember the room you were describing Dude it was wild I wasn't in it often Anyways

2:55:08Quick update about Scrapyard Wars.

2:55:13Luke Lafreniere:Yes. It's up and in processing right now. It's about 60%. Sick. Hopefully, it'll be done by the end of the show.

2:55:23Linus Sebastian:Sick. Stay up for movie night. Yeah, I'm going. I'm not. I'm going. More. I will be up for movie night.

2:55:31Luke Lafreniere:Ola LLD. Now that the bike is done-ish, what's the next big fun project? and what game should Luke try to complete during it? Oh, that's a good question. That's lots of fun. Okay, I actually was like not even really wanting to tackle a project until you framed it that way.

2:55:52Linus Sebastian:Why do you get to do cool projects and not to play video games?

2:55:54Luke Lafreniere:You like video games!

2:55:55Linus Sebastian:And I like cool projects.

2:55:59Luke Lafreniere:Well, I mean, hold on, because I also played a video game as part of the last challenge, which you may not remember.

2:56:05Linus Sebastian:Your video game was very short.

2:56:07Luke Lafreniere:But I finished it.

2:56:08Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

2:56:08Luke Lafreniere:I'm just saying, I also played video games, so... All right, okay, okay. All right, all right. I played Titanfall 2. That was what I was supposed to do. Which is less than one of the stages in Final Fantasy 6. Is that like four hours? Something like that. Minor details. Okay. First of all, I want to give you guys a bit of an update, because I'm not technically... Okay, this is confusing. I will deal with that later. I am not technically done. So I have a text from the motorcycle shop from earlier today. Did I already give the update that I accidentally painted a bunch of the threads on the frame?

2:56:52Oh, no. Yep.

2:56:56Linus Sebastian:Did they discover that?

2:56:58Luke Lafreniere:Yep. and did i give the update that it used a bunch of oddball sizes that they didn't have taps for i guess not cool so anywho i had to source m22 by one and a half pitch m26 by one and a half pitch and m28 by one and a half pitch taps and sent them to the shop and i got confirmation today at 11 a.m that yes they have them so that's where we've been at for the last two weeks i doubt that i'm riding this summer but i will definitely ride next summer nice i also have some paint flaking around the bottom of the gas tank because I didn't realize how important it was to get good coverage there because it's kind of like raw and I thought it didn't matter because I thought there were trim pieces that like sat in front of it because of how raw it looked but that is not the case so I kind of have to go and sand that down and maybe like completely redo that so I have some tape masked off there's probably going to be a bit of a line so I was thinking of maybe doing it black okay uh or something i don't know but i i just i hate this project so much and i realized that you were trying to be encouraging hey now that the bike is done what's the next big fun project it's gonna be really cool when it's done i don't even like want a project right now but um it's gonna be very cool when it's done uh what will what would be what would even be something that I would even remotely want to do.

2:58:39Luke Lafreniere:Oh, I've talked about this. I want to learn casting. Yeah. Yeah, I would love to like make something out of like silver or precious metal. That's awesome. Yeah. That's super cool. Yeah, it's too bad that gold, every time I look at it is more expensive. Yeah, so maybe gold will be not the best.

2:59:01Linus Sebastian:Even if it's just for practicing, you should do one of those can caster things. Can caster? Like pop can caster. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are cool.

2:59:09Luke Lafreniere:That'd be cool.

2:59:10Linus Sebastian:As far as I know, the purity is really bad and stuff. So what you get out of it's not usually amazing or anything. Oh, okay. Cool. But it's still cool to practice with and whatnot. I could be wrong about that. I don't know. It's been a long time since I've looked into it.

2:59:27Luke Lafreniere:Not the couch kind.

2:59:30Linus Sebastian:Not the controller to practice. Oh.

2:59:36Luke Lafreniere:Hey. Okay. I was called an idiot. You could make something cool. I was called an idiot for that controller.

2:59:41Linus Sebastian:Is it worth more than it costs to make it at this point?

2:59:44Luke Lafreniere:Oh, yeah.

2:59:50Linus Sebastian:Get wrecked, everybody else. Savvy.

2:59:55Luke Lafreniere:Howdy, Linus, Luke, and Dan. Question for Luke. How do you typically determine the backlog for float plane? Curious to hear how you manage your priorities for such a small development team.

3:00:04Linus Sebastian:It's an incredibly small development team. Um, it's not easy to be honest, because the backlog is really expansive. We, we tend to go by, oh man.

3:00:19Linus Sebastian:How can I access it right now?

3:00:26Linus Sebastian:Your QBR? No, no, no, no, no. Oh, okay.

3:00:29Luke Lafreniere:Task priority. he sent like a summary of sort of last quarter's goals and last quarter achieved and next quarter goals

3:00:41Linus Sebastian:I thought that's what he was talking about no there's this like equation that I like have accessible on my like home computer which is literally just a mathematical equation but I I don't have access to it right now but there's like a basically like benefit to the company benefit to the users benefit to whatever and you you put a numerical scale onto those different things and then you divide it by things like time um criticality is something on like the positive weighing side um like a possibility of success is something on the negative weighing side um there's like there's like these different factors you can do that i have done that before something that we were doing for a while there was like pushing for sauce plus because we were you know launching a platform so we had to prioritize things that got our our minimum level of this is required for functionality done and now that we're done that we're taking some time and we're looking back at some things I've been you know telling people from the business team and Sammy to chill on the request for a while because we were very focused on that and they have waited so it's time to like come back to them and you know if they want something maybe try to get that done for them because they've been waiting for a long time but it's weird because there's a lot of pulls there's a lot of people pulling there's a lot of different people that want different things you know the open source people want something the LMG largest creator on any of the platforms group wants stuff but then different people within LMG want different things.

3:02:30Linus Sebastian:Other creators on the float plane side want certain things. Other creators on the open source side want certain things. The users want certain things. And there are three devs. So they should type faster. Honestly, they need to figure it out. If we're not topping over 200 words per minute we're going to need to start talking about second keyboard um give them two keyboards one for their nose yeah uh yeah no it's so it comes down to like a lot of it at our team size comes down to criticality um how critically important is this thing like something that we really want to do is tv apps and there has been work done towards that but it's often something that gets paused due to criticality oh this other thing is not working um someone's uploads from somewhere in the world aren't working because uh an isp is having a routing war um so now we need to like solve this problem or uh x y or z critical level thing has to be dealt with uh and then we try to we try to fit features in there when we can we also try to do this thing where like you know someone will raise a feature as a super critical thing that has to be done for whatever reason and it's like okay so we'll do that but then we'll like all right so you want that feature well cool we're going to find a way to make sure that we get some maintenance levels in here as a bundle of this piece of work that we're doing and we're going to make this new tool that will make solving this thing in the future easier and also solving other things easier and we're going to use that for making this thing in the first place so like instead of sprint to the finish complete that task as soon as possible it's like use this task to create better foundations for the future and solve the problem all at the same time right that's one of the ways that we've been able to prevent being in as as bad of a tech debt situation as we were in the past yeah i

3:04:30Luke Lafreniere:remember that year and a half when we basically did that dude it was rough that was crazy yeah

3:04:35Linus Sebastian:Yeah. So to not be there again, there's like a way that we kind of try to approach tasking to stop that from happening. It's called not making technical debt. Yeah, that's a really simple statement to make. A lot harder to do. Yeah, especially when you can't control your own technical debt. This is an interesting thing that I don't think everyone necessarily understands, which is like if you're working on an embedded system that never connects to the internet, if you're working on a controller for a machine, and it's going to be up, down, left, right for the next 40 years, and it needs to do that, you probably don't have tech debt.

3:05:16Linus Sebastian:Yeah. But if you're working on a web system that's interacting with likely hundreds, if not thousands of other different types of web systems and all those other web systems are changing and updating and evolving and disappearing from existence and doing all this kind of stuff all the time things just naturally rot yeah and if you if you just leave a certain thing alone for a few years it might end up being in a state where a lot of the things that it relied on are kind of not working in the same way anymore and stuff like that and you have to go update it that's why javascript sucks but that's also at the same time one of the reasons why javascript is good because it's like constantly growing but that constant growth means you need to keep up so it's like it's okay good yeah but this is like a a fun little hint just for for flowplane people is the whole themes, which we've moved now because we didn't want the firetruck and Lambo logos there forever.

3:06:18Linus Sebastian:But if you click on your, let me go here. If you click on your profile up in the corner, you can see light mode. I just flash banged everyone. Dark mode. Nice. And then there's also bonus themes. And in there, there's the watermelon theme and the firetruck theme. This we made totally. Yeah, guys, we totally made that just for April Fool's. We just made that to be funny. Ha ha. No, that was how we figured out how to have the sauce plus theme. Right. And that's how we tested it with tons of users. Thanks, everyone.

3:06:54Luke Lafreniere:Wicked smart.

3:06:55Linus Sebastian:So like we, and that was a, that was Jaden. That was a Jaden initiative. He thought he could do this thing and that would be a way to build the tool and also make a cool thing for April fools. And also test it. And also test it. And all of these things. So I have this one task, and I'll find a way to make it solve a ton of different problems and be awesome all at once. And that's been how we would ideally like to approach these types of issues. Because we do not have the team to keep up with. And I don't know that anyone does, but even the super big players. But we don't have the team to keep up with every request ever made.

3:07:28Linus Sebastian:There are so many different things that I really wish we had right now. Yeah, like a trial. A trial would be awesome. Someday. we will absolutely have one someday. We will also absolutely have a TV app someday. Someday. There's certain like phone compatibility things that I would love to like in certain situations, picture in picture and like background play and all this kind of stuff doesn't work perfectly. Different devices, iOS, Android, blah, blah, blah. There isn't feature parity there. I would love to fix that. We have a part-time contractor person who's been helping us with app stuff. So we're hoping to try to catch up with the app stuff.

3:08:03Linus Sebastian:But like these things are tough and a lot of these companies have multi-hundred, multi-thousand person teams

3:08:08Luke Lafreniere:and it's it's three people yeah it's just a few um uh someone asked if any of us have a personal 50 90 yet um uh dan said sadly no i actually do i i yeah ploof i took his pre-order ah yeah he pre-ordered the disinformation no no no it's all good um but but you too just kidding no you weren't entirely wrong because while i do have it and i've actually had it for about a month now it's still in its box because my computer is a royal pain in the butt to upgrade because of hardline water cooling and being rack mounted and cooled by my pool and stuff so i've been waiting until i have an excuse until making a video gives me an excuse to actually do the upgrade so i have a 5090 i have not yet gamed on it it could be broken for all i know yay pins dll.exe just got myself an and burnick game boy handheld clone what games besides final fantasy should i get for it oh uh man yeah what are some really fun little like handhelds here let's have a look oh okay so game boy clone is not actually a name uh okay it would have been great if you told us exactly which device it is because that's going to make this a lot tougher

3:09:42Luke Lafreniere:platformers can't go wrong with platformers dude i uh i started playing super mario bros 3 with my son nice yeah that's cool it's it totally is still awesome platformers age well yeah well some of them the the physics are kind of floaty and kind of crappy compared to like what is generally understood to be a more modern sort of feel which i think really started to solidify with

3:10:06Linus Sebastian:like super mario world okay um yes i do agree with that i was gonna say super mario world physics even when they are floaty. I kind of like them. Yeah. They feel video game appropriate.

3:10:16Luke Lafreniere:Three is like...

3:10:17Linus Sebastian:Still a little...

3:10:19Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, it's a little tougher. But it's lots of fun. And he's been having an absolute blast with it, which I think is super cool. So yeah, play platformers. What else would you play on a Game Boy clone?

3:10:42Linus Sebastian:nobody in chat the original pokemon games are still a thing for a reason so yeah i uh i tried giving them to my kids didn't like them didn't like them i could see that nowadays for sure yeah i feel like a lot of it's the nostalgia glasses for those games i think are strong enough that they're still worth playing for people who played it back then but okay so this is a

3:11:03Luke Lafreniere:person new to these games crystal says tetris can't go wrong with tetris if you just want to

3:11:08Linus Sebastian:kill a little bit of time. For real, Game Boy Tetris is fantastic and I find it very annoying that it's like impossible to get. All the new Tetris stuff are like, oh it's Tetris but with these crazy twists and I'm like, no I just want Tetris. Stop.

3:11:30Luke Lafreniere:Golden Sun It wasn't my childhood so it's hard for me to have that nostalgia for it. yeah i'd say i'd say platformers are probably your oh yeah oh that's right okay so don't feel limited to actual games from like big developers and publishers uh sebastian the other sebastian not linus sebastian sebastian from creator warehouse uh posted in floatplane chat there's some amazing rom hacks out there where people have made entirely new games with old assets yeah that's that is a heck of a rabbit hole to fall down but there's a lot out there so that'd be something that would be pretty cool to explore hello when peeps linus and luke and maybe dan too i'm not sure i'm planning a trip to taiwan at the moment and would love some tips or recommendations for the area specifically taipei soup dumplings get all the soup dumplings

3:12:24Linus Sebastian:got all the soup dumplings specifically taipei limits my suggestions you were right i've never been to taiwan there's hold on hold on you have your thing right i do he has a thing i do a thing

3:12:41Luke Lafreniere:he he like notes i do notable things i do like like scrapbooking so i'll zoom in on taipei i do

3:12:51Linus Sebastian:have a bunch okay a lot of these because it's taipei are going to be restaurants because i'm often going for food with people when i'm in taipei uh there's an app called meetup that i think might still be used pretty extensively there um so that's pretty cool so there's a small like a small kind of hole in the wall bar i don't drink they have good food called pay my tuition which i went to just because i thought the name of it was funny nice and ended up being really fantastic food i just randomly bumped into an nvidia uh ai systems engineer while i was there that didn't know me he just struck up a conversation cool uh that was awesome uh down the street from that there's a restaurant called oh man oye punjabi ethnic indian restaurant Oye?

3:13:45Linus Sebastian:O-Y-E. It's rated 5.0, 5 out of 5 stars, with over 6 ,000 reviews. So go for it. Take those for your recommendation instead of something I would say. If you're looking for a neat place to stop by, there's a place called 2J Cafe, which is there's like massive skyscraper, massive skyscraper, massive skyscraper, tiny, very old style house, and it's a cafe. they like never sold and turn it into a little cafe and it's a neat place in general don't miss

3:14:20Luke Lafreniere:out on the night night don't miss out on the night markets uh there's also a place right by

3:14:27Linus Sebastian:2j cafe like genuinely right beside it called dan park d-a-a-n so that is actually just kind of a cool place to go hang out instead of um a place to eat there's oh this place is awesome okay i'm going to pronounce it wrong but huashan h-u-a-s-h-a-n 1914 creative park it was an old multiple building textiles factory thing and they've turned it into like an arts and creative park where people that make things will show up in like vendor style cool sell their own creations and there's like a bunch of different like themes as you go through i've gotten tons of like christmas presents and stuff from there because it's like it'll be like the person who made it standing behind the counter and i've had a problem here in bc where i've gone to a version of this and then found a bunch of clearly ai inspired things like ai bookmarks and stuff that people are claiming are their own yeah um this place i did not have the same problem um that one has 70 000 reviews and is like a big deal thing so go check that out it's very cool maybe one more and honestly I might just leave it there okay perfect

3:15:42Luke Lafreniere:hi LLD enjoying the show as always aside from wins and losses what's your favorite Scrapyard Wars memory so far speaking of Scrapyard Wars oh is it processed it is processed it's processed oh

3:16:05Look at that.

3:16:08Luke Lafreniere:Video ready. It's back and bigger than ever. In part two, Linus and Luke face off to build the ultimate budget home theater gaming setup using$1 ,400. US dollars. They'll scour local listings, thrift stores, and online marketplaces and back alleys to find the best cheap gaming PCs, 4K TVs, surround sound systems, and used components. The goal? Create a fully functional home entertainment center for gaming, movie watching, and perfect vibes without breaking the bank. You'll see smart DIY solutions and intense tech rivalries as each tech fights to be the best bang for the buck setup.

3:16:45Boop.

3:16:47Linus Sebastian:boop um this is unfair there's only representation in the thumbnail of your team yeah well you know you're actually i think you're actually most of the episode too ironically

3:16:58Luke Lafreniere:so that was to make up for that all right cool enjoy it you guys it's out early on float plane favorite memory from scrapyard wars yeah right oh man for me it's got to be between finding the crack pipe in the milk crate full of motherboards and uh the fix on the motherboard fix was insane that was unbelievable oh my god um it still works and it still doesn't make any sense i mean this isn't really a specific memory as much as it is just like something that happens every single time and is a miracle every single time but the way that it always comes down to the wire always it always comes down to the wire somehow you're scrambling if there's 30 seconds left and you're going okay this piece this piece and done it's crazy because i've heard that that

3:18:05Linus Sebastian:last second thing is spoofed on a lot of reality tv shows we like actually don't and it's it to the point where it's made me question like how real is that fact like are some of them actually legit they might be they might be yeah like because i feel like we don't think it if it's a real intense competition you're going to use every second you've got i would think so so like for some of these ones if people are like really pushing it and are actually competitive that they might be real timing ending things i don't know interesting i oh here's a fun a funny memory

3:18:39Luke Lafreniere:i remember the time that i think it was uh me and kyle were joking about taking a helicopter because travel costs were not was that you and me that wasn't that was down with them yeah it was with them but was it you and me versus them yeah oh okay so it was you and me um yeah because travel cost was not included and there was a part that was like a couple hundred miles away or something and so i was like okay technically we could charter a helicopter and we could get there and back in time and that wouldn't count against our budget which was clearly not within the spirit of the competition but did follow the letter of the law yes hi wan.dlo linus i heard you have litter robots you like which ones are they and what do you recommend i don't know how much i like them but i have the whisker three litter robots yeah like kitty litter oh you really gotta dial in which uh litter you're using uh because some work way better than others so as long as you do that they they are a an effort reducer um but not all cats love them and stuff make of that what you will i i wouldn't say i love them i'd say i will continue to use them i don't fully i don't regret the purchase greetings from the gathering of the juggalos caught you doing halls of illusions in a previous life what's your favorite joker's card uh halls of illusions i don't think i've ever made a reference to halls of illusions uh halls of illusions lyrics um oh no i've done house of horrors not halls of illusions um i am not actually familiar with this particular song.

3:20:41Luke Lafreniere:So there's no way that I would have been able to quote it. What was the question though? What's your favorite Joker's card? I got to confess, I am not actually like full blown juggalo. I don't know. I don't know the Joker's cards. I'm so sorry to have misled you. I kind of feel right now like I accidentally walked into a gay bar, you know?

3:21:15Linus Sebastian:Not because...

3:21:16Luke Lafreniere:Would you still want to have a drink? I've got some extra paint for you, Linus. Oh, man. You might enjoy it. Come on. Yeah, I feel like I've posed a little bit. Like, to be clear, there are probably ICP songs that I could probably pretty much, like, recite from memory. But I was not, like, into it, you know? What if they're actually talking about Balatro? I don't even know if that's a real thing. Yeah, they're not. No, they're not. Balatro's based on ICP? That's sick. Next you're going to tell me they made real cards What if I bring Faygo to Whale Land

3:22:02Linus Sebastian:Oh my goodness I was driving The other day And wanted to put some music on And decided Somebody was talking about like You know how CFOX The local radio station is like classic Music now or whatever Oh no And I decided to throw on Blink So I put on Enema of the State Blink-182 and I think I found where the memory hole that happens in my brain for names and dates and stuff is just Blink lyrics. Perfect. Word for word. Every single song. Entire album. You just pushed everything else out for Blink 182? I haven't heard any of those songs in like a very long time. And like I would it was literally memorization of the entire album because when they weren't singing i could perfectly do the instruments and in between songs i could guess the intro to the next song without seeing the like track list or anything because you just listened to it cover to cover like so many times i was like whoa i do that with

3:23:12Luke Lafreniere:my work playlist and then if i hear them in isolation it's like oh no it's not right yeah

3:23:19Linus Sebastian:that was nuts the way Luke said I was driving the other day was very letter candy yeah that was someone got it we are Canadian as well couple more here

3:23:32Luke Lafreniere:Linus is someone who is busier than most how do you balance your work hobbies and family and the different responsibilities that each entail love your content ah no man man uh how do i balance something's got to give always so something gets traded off and then someone gets mad at me so i work too much for a while and yvonne gets mad at me and i spend too much time with my family and things fall apart at work and my motorcycle has been not painted for two and a half years does that summarize it pretty well i think like one of the things that happens is like my hobbies have changed like i used to be really into games that required a more rigid schedule like i had to work around other people and their availability and like like i had to be there when everyone was there otherwise like we wouldn't have enough and stuff whereas like now I can't really do that.

3:24:43Luke Lafreniere:I like games that I can just drop into, play for a little bit, and then put down when someone needs my attention.

3:24:49Linus Sebastian:Rich, my brother, was expressing an enjoyment of one of the newer Need for Speed games, and I asked him if he had played Forza Horizon 5, and he hadn't, so I got it for him. And he told me that he basically can't play it, and I was confused, because I was like, it's a great game. He has two babies. the missions are a little bit too long and they don't mid-mission save.

3:25:17Luke Lafreniere:Games have like an expectation that you will no-life them. Many, many games do. But it's like...

3:25:26Linus Sebastian:It's not being able to sit there for hours. It's being able to sit there for like 10 or more minutes. And it's just not really a thing. So he's like, I'll play it later.

3:25:35Luke Lafreniere:Not just the no-lifing. So the no-lifing, I mean like they'll have a high degree of complexity so that if you have to go away from them for a week, you don't remember how everything works. Force is definitely not like that, but yeah. And then the other no-life thing is that you couldn't possibly have anything else going on right now. The game expects to be the focus window of your life.

3:26:00Linus Sebastian:It's just like all Blizzard games being practically unable to be alt-tabbed.

3:26:05Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, and that's just not a thing. in my life um like one of the things i like about tape to tape is that even though it does allow you to save scum so it's like kind of not a good feature um you can you can pause the campaign and you can come back to it in a few days and deal with it then yeah um it's actually why i kind of ended up getting into vampire survivors for a little bit because a run is by definition no more than 30 minutes or 15 yeah hurry is so good yep um um you get two in on a lunch break it's great like i like i i i i value games where i don't have to remember the story i don't have to remember what mission i'm on where i'm going how the controls work um and i can be interrupted and go do something else and come back to it two weeks later because sometimes it takes that long i think save any time is an accessibility feature fight me it would it would break a lot of things like if you had save state in something like Elden Ring I think that would be I would not necessarily say save state well that's basically what you're asking very very close to that

3:27:21Linus Sebastian:what's the difference in your mind

3:27:23Luke Lafreniere:save state would be like frame perfect in a way but I mean you could have a boss fight that could take you half an hour. Yeah. So should you be able to save mid-boss fight? Multi-checkpoint boss fight. But then you're not really... That's part of the challenge, is that you have to beat all the phases back-to-back. So it's an accessibility feature.

3:27:47Linus Sebastian:Why is that accessibility?

3:27:50Luke Lafreniere:Attention span. Attention span. If you want to make it easier for yourself. Like difficulty level is an accessibility feature in a way. You know, Alden Ring doesn't have a disability filter.

3:28:01Linus Sebastian:it's just good or you're not are you saying this is a thing that is an accessibility feature or are you saying that this should be in every game all the time yeah you can turn it off or on if

3:28:11Luke Lafreniere:you want a lot of games are moving to pick your own difficulty and i think save quantities should be included in that do you do checkpoint do you do sub checkpoint what i don't like is when they disguise the accessibility and disability and sorry the accessibility and difficulty settings and i can't tell what it is what do you mean it was one of those uh those newer like jrpg style games that i played recently expedition 33 uh is it was i think it was sea of stars accessibility hold on let me let me have a look uh some of them can get too granular and too confusing the new doom is complicated because it's like well how do you want me to play it okay okay this this was confusing to me because i couldn't tell um like okay they they they kind of say it these are weird yeah so so they're relics which for final fantasy 6 me means that you can equip them to like play the to be more competitive in battle which is what these are but what they actually are is accessibility settings wait you loot these no okay yeah so it just it took me a second um because like this doesn't technically make it so that you don't have to like win fights at all like so it just seemed like a convenience thing i was like oh yeah the amulet of storytelling the true strike pendant that like i just i got a little confused i couldn't quite tell if they were accessibility features i hear you or if any

3:30:03Linus Sebastian:of them were meant to be equipped before and i think it's kind of fun i understand how it's confusing kind of cool but i think it's kind of a fun way but like i wanted to like beat the game

3:30:13Luke Lafreniere:and i didn't want to there was no sort of physical reason for me to need like an accessibility feature necessarily so i wanted to like beat the game and i couldn't really 100 tell what beating the game meant because i couldn't tell what they were like am i supposed to use these right okay is playing with none of them on like hard mode because that wasn't necessarily what i wanted either i wanted something relatively chill normal yeah what's the what's just like the developers intended difficulty that's why something like elden rings great because there's one difficulty doing difficulty in general is a worse experience yeah this guy there's like intended way to play right and then you know accessibility features you can make it different oh i don't have those and you said it's great because the list that he just gave didn't have any indication which is the like intended experience yeah so elden ring has an intended experience and then everything is just accessibility features versus having a mishmash of difficulty levels and accessibility which is what the new doom did and it was very confusing to figure out with the intended way to play, which apparently is hard, not even normal.

3:31:32Luke Lafreniere:But some people would take Elden Ring, they'd set it to max difficulty if it had difficulty, and then people would complain that it's too hard or something like that. So I don't know. It's very, very complicated how you do this stuff. But I didn't want to derail it. I just think saving any time or saving more often is great for people like your brother with children who might not want to redo a boss fight 300 times.

3:31:53Linus Sebastian:He just needs to get good.

3:31:56Luke Lafreniere:That is the other thing. just have a skill issue checkbox and then it just uninstalls itself okay elden ring does not refund you all right archived hi low density lipoprotein uh what are your thoughts on people on the spectrum with ai girl slash boyfriends because they say legitimately because they say they legitimately have trouble with real human connections so that's the thing that i was kind of getting at earlier where i think that there would be an agreement regardless of you know your your leanings um that developing a codependency on an ai boyfriend or girlfriend or mother or you know whatever their whatever the ai is role playing as um developing that dependency is clearly a disordered state.

3:32:54Luke Lafreniere:But what people don't seem to be able to agree on is what the treatment is of this disordered, deluded state. And I'm going to be honest with you. I am not a medical professional and I'm not going to presume to say what I think the proper sort of therapy should be in this case, but it is clear that this is a disordered state. And so, um, rarely in the case of a disordered state is encouraging further disordered state, the correct answer. That is as much as I think I could probably say on the subject.

3:33:45Linus Sebastian:I also have some issues where like I'm presuming the person you're describing in this scenario is far from the person that I'm going to describe in this situation, to be very clear. But we do have a problem in current year with a lot of people of self-diagnosing themselves with some actually pretty serious things. As in a lot of cases, an excuse to not do something or not try or whatever else. And it's really quite sad because it takes away from people that actually have those difficulties or whatever else. But it also sells the person who's doing that quite short in what they can accomplish on their own.

3:34:34Linus Sebastian:um so if this some is someone who could totally figure it out if right and they sell themselves short on the idea and then just surrender to this concept of well i can't because that's really rough um and that is absolutely a thing that people do and no again this is not an everyone's situation um i'm sure there are some people that might just actually never be able to figure this out and then again along with linus i don't i don't know what the i don't know what the solve is for that i'm far from the right person to answer that but yeah

3:35:18Luke Lafreniere:and last one i've got for you tonight hello big linus luke and dan the great i've got a question for linus what was the most riskiest or dangerous video that was ever made on the channel oh uh uh dangerous video ever made okay there was that uh there was that issue there was that issue we had on the uh that larping asus shoot that unfortunately the footage seems to have been lost for which is too bad because it was pretty cool uh where the our like canopy thing like blew away and then that like jacked guy grabbed it before it like stabbed anybody that wasn't inherently dangerous about the shoot but we didn't sandbag that thing and it that was bad we we learned i remember that yeah i didn't remember that until now and now i remember that um i hurt myself doing my own stunt trying to be a ninja um this was this like super horrible cringe thing that we did for uh be quiet back in the day i don't know man i don't know what heck yeah dude but uh hold on we used to do a lot of jumping off things with fake swords

3:36:25Linus Sebastian:and real swords we used to do a lot of that i don't know about a lot of it but i did that

3:36:29Luke Lafreniere:so i did not land that um hold on where is it where's the flip dang it dang it zoomed there that's the problem hold on okay so this flip i a hundred percent did not land off of a fence. We did have a crash pad because I knew I wasn't going to land it. My back was pretty sore for a bit, so that's definitely a dangerous thing that was done. The shot of us coming over the roof is sick, though. Yeah, we probably shouldn't have been on the roof in the dark like that. It was sick, though. It was cool. I got injured doing this. Fighting Dennis. He landed on my knee. oh yeah man I wonder how many things I've been injured doing over the years Channel Superfund seems like a solid candidate for injuries I mean Nerd Sports was kind of insane oh yeah

3:37:34Linus Sebastian:the lacrosse one was like actually dumb we're like super lucky that they decided not to kill us yeah

3:37:45Luke Lafreniere:yeah they could have here's the most replayed moment the keyboard warriors so uh where i was roughhousing one of them a little bit and then

3:37:56Linus Sebastian:he like mentioned to me that he could flatten the rest of the team and i was like that's fair i'll leave it alone

3:38:11Luke Lafreniere:uh you know nerds force is coming back right no yeah there's a badminton episode oh i know that yeah yeah i was uh i i poked my head in on um oh shoot what who was it it was jake bell and someone oh shoot i forget but they were doing commentary for it they weren't live commentating the match like we had for the original nerd sports they were just watching the edit and like reacting to it essentially but i don't know whatever what's the difference um it's hilarious it's it's gonna be great david said the video was already good enough without them coming in and doing commentary and so it's just that i'm sure the commentary is great

3:38:55Linus Sebastian:i'm really excited about the commentary um speaking of poking your head on things have you even seen your new desk i have a new desk in labs no yeah okay i didn't know i didn't know i had one you asked for a desk in labs oh cool well i guess i'll use it then all the labs people like did your setup all nice and stuff oh that sounds sick that makes a lot more sense you just didn't know okay yeah yeah you you and me have like facing out desks kind of in the corner so we have screen protected oh whatever blah blah that sounds great all your stuff from your office is

3:39:29Luke Lafreniere:all like laid out oh that's super cool yeah exciting have you seen the new lab at all No. Oh, wow.

3:39:37Linus Sebastian:Dude, I, well, I've been out for two weeks.

3:39:41Luke Lafreniere:That basically means you haven't been in that building at all since you've been back. Dude, I don't even have an office here yet. Like, I'm just using that meeting room. Like, I don't actually have my own desk here. So I moved over here when I started the vibe coding challenge. And that was the room that they just set up for me to shoot in. Right. It happens to be my old office, but I don't have literally anything of my own in there. I just bring in my laptop, which is now broken, and there's a dock. I wonder why. Because it's a meeting room. Yeah. So I don't actually have an office right now for the first time since the house.

3:40:15Well, not an enclosed one.

3:40:16Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Yeah. So the last time I didn't have an office was in the Langley house when I worked in the editing den. I don't like them.

3:40:23Linus Sebastian:I had one for a short period of time and then have opted to not ever since. and i've opted to not continue the wan show we'll see you again next week guys same bad time

3:40:35Luke Lafreniere:same bad channel bye

3:41:03All right. We'll see you next week. Bye.