You Can Go to Jail for Pirating Games Now??? - WAN Show July 18, 2025

21:55Linus Sebastian:of item and you didn't get it and in this is not the company's stance but in my opinion if you if you did a recreation that was your own you didn't just like literally copy paste um

22:08Luke Lafreniere:that's cool in my opinion but in the case of these roms in the case of this emulation that's not the case so what i was trying to get around to is that while i strongly disagree that anyone should go to jail over the theft of supposedly, you know, tens, tens of dollars or hundreds of dollars of video games, um, especially in the world that we live in. I do clip this, go ahead. I do see why Nintendo's upset about it. I can see their perspective. I think they need to just take a bit of a chill pill here though. and hopefully they have the the good sense to not pursue jail time over this hopefully if anyone from nintendo is watching get this up the corporate ladder sending people to jail over gaming on emulation devices is not a good look if it's nintendo full-play chat said don't assume

23:07Linus Sebastian:laws in italy are the same as in canada i didn't we we never did never happened at no point in time

23:13Luke Lafreniere:did that happen but in general you should the the the fundamental principle of innocent until proven guilty my understanding is is pretty well established in at least the western world as something we should aspire to at the very least does it always hold up in practice no not here not anywhere but that's something that we should generally aspire to yeah oh

23:47Luke Lafreniere:yeah uh anyway we've got a couple of uh we've got a couple of more discussion questions uh most of them i guess we kind of covered as we were talking about it um Yeah, we're not talking about pizza or pasta. I don't need the entire country of Italy upset at me. Luke, do you want to pick a next topic?

24:11Linus Sebastian:Sure. Let's talk about this Xbox thing. The notes are short. But Xbox Game Pass subscribers can stream their console games on PC now. This is directly from Microsoft and a quote, Xbox insiders in the PC gaming preview who are also Game Pass Ultimate members can stream select console games that they own beyond the Game Pass catalog on the Xbox PC app. This includes console-only games that previously couldn't be played using the Xbox PC app. Very cool. When I first read this, I thought this was just games that were on both platforms. But the fact that you could stream console-only games is actually, like, genuinely pretty sick.

24:56Linus Sebastian:Yeah, it's progress. I'm not personally a Game Pass fan, but I think, like Linus said, this is progress. This seems better. This seems good. This is a good thing for gamers.

25:07Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I need to see. As much as it was exciting to hear Microsoft talk about when they announced the ROG Xbox Ally, or Xbox ROG Ally X, I can't remember, whatever, the Ally 2. I think the latter. Yeah, when Microsoft announced the Ally 2 alongside Asus, um you know it was very exciting to hear about the better integration between the xbox experience on pc and the xbox experience on console but one of the things that many especially you know xbox console fans what few of them remain brought up is that okay microsoft as great as it is that i can play any of my cross-platform dual license games on this supposedly xbox console this still isn't an xbox because i can't play my xbox exclusive games and many third-party titles do not allow me to play on pc they don't come with the dual license there are still xbox platform exclusive license games that you can buy and so you know that was the strongest argument that i heard for why the xbox ally x2 whatever it is is not in fact an xbox but this seems like part of Microsoft's push to really continue to chip away at the barriers that make something Xbox versus PC from a content perspective.

26:34Luke Lafreniere:So I find it pretty exciting. And in response to our discussion question, did you also think this was already possible? No, I did in fact know that you couldn't do that. Yeah, I didn't know that at all. But it did take me a minute to kind of go, okay, so wait, hold on. How is this different from what's going on? So I definitely see where you're coming from. Thank you, Ryder, who prepped that. That was a pretty short one. One thing I'm wondering is what games are truly Xbox exclusive still? Not many. It's more that the license is only for your Xbox rather than getting the dual license with your purchase so that you can play that game on your Xbox or on your PC with a single purchase.

27:12Linus Sebastian:Got it. Okay.

27:14Luke Lafreniere:Yeah.

27:16Linus Sebastian:That doesn't really solve a huge problem for me then. Nope. Game Pass could theoretically give you that anyways. So like it really isn't.

27:22Luke Lafreniere:Well, not every game is on Game Pass. So any game that you bought not on Game Pass for your Xbox. That doesn't have dual license. That's right.

27:31Linus Sebastian:You can now stream it.

27:32Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, it's a niche problem. But it's one that as an Xbox gamer, I would find frustrating.

27:37Linus Sebastian:Still a good. It's a very minor good thing.

27:39Luke Lafreniere:But it's still a good thing. Damn it. It's progress, Luke. I'll take progress where I can get it in this complicated world. where people are going to jail for playing Super Mario World on a pirate handheld.

27:53Linus Sebastian:Yeah, that's clearly stupid. Speaking of interesting progress, YouTube rolls out beta for A-B testing of titles to a small subset of users. I think a lot of YouTube enjoyers probably know at this point that there's been A-B testing for thumbnails for quite some time. But yeah, now they're rolling out for a small subset title testing. We have some images of what it looks like. I can't show those off my laptop. I gotcha. For now, creators can test three titles or three thumbnails or three title thumbnail pairs. Interesting. Very cool. As far as we have seen, it does not run all combinations of title and thumbnail.

28:37Linus Sebastian:That's what I expected it was going to do, but okay. With thumbnail, ABC, etc. This should allow creators greater ability to test the different ways of packaging their videos, which is cool. This is a good thing, in my opinion. Like with thumbnail testing, it uses watch time as the primary indicator of what is the best title, which I think makes sense given the metrics that YouTube currently cares about. LZT writer Adam went back through some older videos of his to test out the feature. Here are some tests that have been run or are currently running. The first listed title was the title at the start of the test.

29:15Linus Sebastian:That's really interesting. Oh, and we're already seeing some results that indicate good potential changes. This is really interesting. Notable weird behaviors in viewership numbers after starting and running these tests on this video are included in some of the pictures that Linus is likely going through. Also, viewership numbers don't show as much weirdness on videos with more momentum, which is interesting, kind of makes sense.

29:44Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, like this one was kind of dead in the water, and then we changed the titles. So it gets a little bit of life. Yeah, a little bit of life got breathed into it, whereas this is one that just kind of already had kind of leveled off and had some decent momentum. Yeah. But you can see that watch time share way bigger for VR doesn't get better than this. Big Screen Beyond 2 versus they changed the VR game again. Too vague posty. Like you can, it's easy to see in retrospect what you screwed up, but it's not always easy to come up with a title in the first place. Yeah, this is really cool.

30:22Linus Sebastian:There was a heavily updated comment on Flowplane that the Flowplane title for Tech Gripes 2 was better than the YouTube title, and the YouTube audience is inconclusive. Oh, wow.

30:37Luke Lafreniere:This is very...

30:39Linus Sebastian:I'm assuming he means heavily upvoted.

30:42Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, so this one, the original title won after Floatplane said that they really didn't resonate with the YouTube title, but barely. Just barely.

30:55Linus Sebastian:You can't always perfectly trust the Firefox users, you know?

30:59Luke Lafreniere:That's the thing about Firefox users is they know all about foxes and fire. But maybe not other things.

31:12Linus Sebastian:Discussion question. Do you worry about potential effects this can have on the experience for browsing videos? I mean, it's going to make it harder to find them. Because if you remember the title of a video, I wonder if they... Oh, I wonder if they have some way in their search. I found YouTube's metadata based searching is really strong.

31:32Luke Lafreniere:Like if I kind of remember the approximate vibe of what a video was and like kind of what we talked about, they use the transcript. They use all the metadata at their disposal to try to return as accurate a search result as possible. Where I run into trouble is when they don't actually show me my search results. Right. Like when they have my search, they have like two of my search result. and then it's like continue watching other users enjoyed freaking no give me the search results i'm trying to see my search results yeah i yeah i'm just i'm hoping that they retain the old

32:07Linus Sebastian:or the the other various titles that were used in their search metadata stuff as long as they do that i think it'll be fine that was that was the first concern that came to me yeah um other than that i don't think it's going to have a major effect on browsing videos to be honest um titles are already incredibly clickbaity across youtube i honestly don't know that this will necessarily be worse linus pointed out earlier that one of the titles did worse because it was too vague posty

32:35Luke Lafreniere:yep um and it's based on the thing it's based on watch time and that's for a very good reason um YouTube has over time moved away from focusing on things like click through because what they found was that even though people might click on a particular thumbnail, I mean, Phil DeFranco was famous for doing this way back in the day and he's scrubbed the internet of some of his old habits. So it's actually, I wanted to talk about this in a video on thumbnails and titling a little while back. And I literally couldn't find anything of the old like Phil DeFranco show, Sexy Phil, where like every one of his thumbnails would just have like giant boobies all over it.

33:14Luke Lafreniere:And then he'd have like, and then they evolved the rules. So he had to have at least one frame of the actual video that had giant boobies. So he would include one frame of it. So that he could include that in the thumbnail. And it was a whole thing, right? So the meta has evolved from click-through, which YouTube has found does not generate a quality experience for the viewer to focusing on watch time. So by forcing us, not even telling us which one has the best click through, by forcing us to optimize for watch time, what YouTube is incentivizing, again, by forcing us to optimize for is promising something to the viewer that ultimately will be fulfilled.

33:57Luke Lafreniere:right because you're not going to hang around for a long watch duration on a video that makes a promise in the title and thumbnail that it doesn't fulfill with that said i do think there are behaviors that are going to be incentivized that are less desirable like um you know taking a while to get to the point like kind of you know leading people leading people leading people on and i and And I don't, I have no problem with storytelling. I love storytelling. Like setting up and creating an environment where I'm trying to give you an enticing teaser for what's to come. That is different from just, you know, blue balling it.

34:40Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. So I... It could be a good thing. I think...

34:45Linus Sebastian:I'm gonna hold on to some hope and say that it could be a good thing.

34:48Luke Lafreniere:Is this it, Luke? Is this the positive WAN show? I mean, other than the first things we talked about. Other than that. Is the rest of this...

34:57Linus Sebastian:And probably the next things we'll talk about.

35:02Linus Sebastian:Oh, yeah, yeah. The next topic, if left up to me, will be negative. So we'll see how that goes. Okay, well, I'm not going to let you go next yet, then.

35:14Luke Lafreniere:All right, fair enough. Oh, wait, you want Adam thoughts first? Sure.

35:16Linus Sebastian:Yeah. I could see this being... Okay. Where did it go? There we go. I can see this being a nuisance for multi-account users where video progress isn't tracked.

35:32Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, so if you watch something on your work account, but then you go home and it gets served to you, and now it has a different title or thumbnail, you might not realize you've seen it. I think that's a bit of an edge case, though. That's probably mostly going to be okay because once the trial is done, it settles on one. now yeah and like it's that's already happening with thumbnails and i do think that that could change in the future like if i had the ability to have like three different title thumbnail combos and say like this one's more tuned for hardcore techies and this one's more tuned for a more casual tech adjacent audience and this one i i feels like i would use that gotta be the future i would use that so hard um but yeah that would be a nuisance for sure especially if you got profiled slightly differently across your work and your personal use which could happen i mean very likely would i've been known to watch different content at home versus what i watch at work um on youtube why not there's lots of interesting stuff on youtube

36:41Luke Lafreniere:the next the next question is do you see any way this system could be gamed and yeah that's the point i think yeah i mean what is gaming right optimizing the entire purpose of this feature is to optimize for more watch time and that's in both youtube's and creators best interest i don't know if it's in the audience's best interest but hey if you don't like youtube you don't have to watch it i guess oh no everyone's leaving everyone's stopping watching just kidding just kidding they're hooked i'd be interested to see a spiffing brit

37:12Linus Sebastian:video where he like breaks down ways to min max it somehow or something or like i mean it's almost certainly coming it'd be interesting to see like okay comment or or like this comment you know if you got this version of the title or something like that or what if there's some oh man that's actually pretty good i like it how many times can you redo these types of tests is it Just once? I don't know if there's a limit. Yeah. Interesting. Being able to just constantly change the title and the thumbnail, especially if it gives you even a small bit of a boost just because it's trying to see if people like the new version.

37:55Linus Sebastian:Yep. Could be something that's gamed, but I'm sure they would become privy to that pretty quick. So I don't know. It's interesting.

38:07Luke Lafreniere:Yes, Rosa Brega in float plane chat is bringing up the whole Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds thing that's going on right now. This just broke today, I think. 16 YouTube commentators and 20 Twitter users are facing their private info, including credit card and bank account info being handed over to Blake and Ryan by Google and X because they talked unfavorably about the Blake Lively lawsuit. I am reading this comment. I have not validated any of this. That doesn't make any sense. Their credit card info? It sounds flippin' wild. I think it's very much developing. But yeah, pretty much they are not happy about what some social media users said about them.

38:54Luke Lafreniere:And now they have learned about the Streisand effect, I guess. Which is cool. I mean, that's a good thing to learn about. I've personally learned about the Streisand effect multiple times and now I know about it I don't know if you did I think I have

39:13Luke Lafreniere:I mean you don't think that I've found out about it I've certainly f***ed around

39:21Linus Sebastian:maybe it's the lack of the lesson on the other end of it

39:26Luke Lafreniere:I said I learned it, I didn't say I retained it alright Why do you think I have to learn it multiple times?

39:36Luke Lafreniere:I'm just something of a hard... You know what? I'm just not going to go there. Oh, my. It just takes me a long time to learn. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.

39:50Luke Lafreniere:Dan, you're not here to put the little card on to tell me to move on. What are we supposed to be doing?

39:55Linus Sebastian:Dan, you got to get a ring the bell app on your phone. This was mentioned earlier. You can just yell ding. We got lots of topics up to you guys.

40:08Luke Lafreniere:We do an announcement. Well, we've done two topics, so you're supposed to tell me the new thing to do. I just forget what it is. Announcement. Oh, announcements. Okay. This is a warning. Whoa. The warning is that...

40:23Linus Sebastian:Wait, aren't we supposed to start with explaining merch messages? Well, I don't know. I just do what Dan tells me. And then read... Yeah, but if he said go to a... yourself san diego if he said go to announcements the first step of going to announcement is explaining merch messages i said read an announcement oh no he said read an announcement so i am i am wrong i apologize i'm gonna do this protocol i'm gonna do this now okay this is a

40:46Luke Lafreniere:warning because you only have until tomorrow to take advantage of lime day our annual summer sales event and yeah we're probably not gonna extend it again because we actually have moved through a lot of stuff. It's been pretty solid. If you haven't been keeping up, we dropped some brand new deals this week, including saving up to 50 % on a ScribeDriver and notebook bundle. So that's just $29.99 US dollars on the US site and$34.99 Canadian dollars on the Canadian site. I cannot both read this document and show the deals at the same time. So that's something. Do you want me to read it? um sure where do you end the the scribe driver one yeah uh yeah scribe driver and notebook bundle

41:35Linus Sebastian:deal you can save 30 on our hydro phase swim shorts that reveal a pattern when wet on both sites uh you can save 25 and get an ltt hat for 15 or save 32 on a water resistant ltt hat pro for only$17.99 on both sites. We also have great deals on our blank hoodies, premium joggers, and our retro monitor pet cave. And if you're shopping from outside the US, we also have great deals on our mystery water bottles and hoodies for 50 % off or more. All of this and more are deals and they're available at lmg.gg slash lime. Woo!

42:19Luke Lafreniere:Okay, I definitely did not manage to keep up with you there, but there's that. I probably should have slowed down a little bit. There's the hat pro. He'll figure it out. There's the Hydro Phase swim shorts. Yep. Lots of deals.

42:32Linus Sebastian:It was blank hoodies, premium joggers, retro monitor pet cave.

42:35Luke Lafreniere:And don't forget about some of the deals that have just been running the whole time. 200 bucks Canadian. So that's like 150 US or something like that for a commuter backpack and 8-Bit Doe Ultimate Bundle. I've seen a lot of mystery screwdriver enjoyers on the Reddit. Yes. Yes, people have been all over the mystery screwdrivers. So let me see. There was a, oh, but that's not all. We are bringing back the power outlet for non-US customers. So this is on the global site. You'll have to read this again because I have to show them how it works. Sure, I'll try to do a more followable job.

43:15Linus Sebastian:Non-US customers, this is your chance to get amazing deals on open box and pre-owned goods. Not only are we bringing back our power packs, which is a randomly selected assortment of items from our returns, discounted at an amazing price. We have power packs for tops. We have power packs for bottoms. We have power packs for outerwear. And we have power packs for desk pads. We have two packages.

43:45You okay there?

43:46Linus Sebastian:I'm hearing from Artie real quick. Hold on. Pause.

43:53Linus Sebastian:linus open them up do you have a package on the table yeah i got power we have two packages on the top of the table to open up three linus open them up they're under you no i know where they are all right but i'm showing the site first yeah sounds good um well no i think he wants you to open them now okay but you didn't you were mid-sentence i was uh what mid-sentence was i on No, no, I was basically done. We have power packs for tops, bottoms, outerwear, and desk pads.

44:22Luke Lafreniere:Is this a power pack of five bottoms or a five pack of power bottoms? I think it's a power pack of five bottoms. Yeah. I don't know. Quite a party in there. I don't know for sure. Anyway, the point is I have a couple of power packs. The one I'm holding here is large tops. So there is, I want to make this abundantly clear. Abundantly clear. Okay, I hope this is abundantly clear just because I open a particular assortment of shirts here Does not mean that that is what you would receive It could be anything that has been returned to LTT store over the last four years Like we have not done a good job of managing our returned inventory.

45:07Luke Lafreniere:So you could end up with quite literally anything

45:11Linus Sebastian:Are these bottoms what size are the bottoms are they medium or small? Well, you ordered the size that you want.

45:18Luke Lafreniere:I meant the package that you have. Oh, I don't know. All right. So, wow. What did I end up with? The old school circuit shirt. I got... Oh, this is a really nice one. Oh, this is a... Wait, this is a medium. Okay, I think this is just an example one. Okay, yeah, cool. This is just an example one. I got the RGB t-shirt. I got oh seriously we still have some of these kicking around that's crazy that's crazy what the heck well it's returns dude like it's anything that's come back you gotta be kidding me yeah but that's like actually

46:00Linus Sebastian:like a decade old isn't it like I'm not even kidding I got a

46:03Luke Lafreniere:privateer shirt and I actually this is hilarious I got the one I'm wearing that's kind of nuts

46:11Linus Sebastian:freaking hilarious okay the og lt t-shirt when was the last time we sold that i'm i would have never guessed to see one of those dude i mean thousand years ago i i had i had a couple people

46:24Luke Lafreniere:ask why not the u.s so it's because of tariffs um these are items that were returned to our canadian warehouse at a time when we only shipped from canada so they're all here in canada um we have actually started shipping some of our U.S. orders from the U.S. and so that is part of why some of the pricing and some of the deals have been different because we've had to split up our logistics across our Canadian and our U.S. distribution centers. So this is something that our team is going through and grading and making sure that things are adhering to our quality standards and that we are shipping from Canada.

47:05Luke Lafreniere:So for us to ship a pack of t-shirts into the U.S. right now um i mean it depends on what the you know feeling of the day is in terms of the import tariff so it's just not something that we're able to to deal with here's a canadian sorry

47:23Linus Sebastian:can i pay the terry and get the rare stuff one of the things is you don't know if you're going

47:27Luke Lafreniere:to get the rare yeah you might not get rare stuff so like i don't know you might only get new things

47:31Linus Sebastian:it's not it's not a guarantee that you're going to get the a shirt that i haven't seen in years

47:35Luke Lafreniere:um okay here i've got a power pack of desk pads

47:45Luke Lafreniere:that's oh lordy wait all right oh i got a wanshow desk pad the one with the uh hexagons bestagons all over it yeah i got the um ltx 23 vancouver skyline desk pad this one's actually a really sick design i really like that one yeah i got this one that really didn't sell very well it's i wonder why it did really great out of the gate and then people got over it basically i think

48:23Linus Sebastian:that's kind of how meme products work the entire group of people that'll be interested in it will buy it like within the first two days and then that's about it and then finally i have a power pack that is not labeled um again these are demo ones i doubt they're tops because this is freaking

48:39Luke Lafreniere:heavy it's probably outerwear bottoms all right it's outerwear oh dude hold on a second how much Is that the jacket? How much are these power packs? Is that the down jacket? The outerwear one is$200. Okay, okay, okay, okay. That's a little less scary. But yes, this is a 3D down jacket, which was already worth more than$200. Remember? Again, okay, I want us to be pretty clear. Yeah. It's a large, Luke. Sorry, it's not an XL.

49:15Linus Sebastian:Okay.

49:16Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I know. I know you want another one. Yep. Oh, man, a dropout Dropout hoodie in red This one's freaking awesome Those didn't sell that well? No, they did. Remember, these are returns So I'm saying some of this stuff didn't sell that well But that's not where these are coming from Got it, okay, yeah, because I really liked the dropout line Whoa, dude, a swag kit

49:41Linus Sebastian:Oh, that's another throwback Yeah, there it is Not nearly as old as the other one

49:46Luke Lafreniere:but not seen one of those in a long time oh dude this also has the um shoot i forget what we called this thing did we call it windbreaker or something it's like a kind of like a light um it actually it's quite waterproof it's like kind of a light rain jacket i think we called it our windbreaker and then uh i don't know that this is quite outerwear so i guess we're just saying not t-shirt so yeah color block hoodie okay well there's going to be an element of randomness to it but you could end up with some pretty cool stuff

50:22Linus Sebastian:can we as members of the company can we internal request power packs

50:31Luke Lafreniere:that could be a gamer move that seems questionable I think these are probably for customers alright Yeah, I don't know about that. I was about to pull such a gamer move. If Linus doesn't want us to, then I will block them. Because currently, if you get in there right now, you can. Okay. Yeah, Dan, I don't know. I'd like you to maybe check with Artie on that. But my gut feeling is this is meant to be a promotional deal for our customers. That's fair. and people internally are already getting these items for free as part of their employment here i i don't i don't think they need to hoover up deals that are really intended the min maxi part of my brain just got it yes i know i know but it's no it's about intent co-workers it's about intent yeah yeah okay sorry did did you already heard back from artie yeah he said no yeah that makes sense to me.

51:35Linus Sebastian:Fair enough, but we'll probably have to kill that on the thing, eh?

51:37Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Thanks, Daniel Besser. By default, I think it would be. Who the f*** are you again? I don't know anymore.

51:49Luke Lafreniere:Alright, so I have a feeling those power packs, how's the merch messages going, Dan? I feel like after we started opening those, those are probably going burr. Especially because, don't forget, until tomorrow we have free shipping running on orders over a certain threshold it was 100 250 cat or something like that so you pick up a power pack and like a couple other things and you're off to the races this is kind of crazy i didn't know that we were um launching the power outlet while we still had a free shipping promo running good luck everybody anywho uh what are we supposed to do next oh man yeah

52:28Linus Sebastian:there's also the float plane announcement but we could do merch messages first I also wasn't 100 % done did you finish the rest of these details I don't know you can also get yourself a like new open box commuter backpack and like new cargo pants stop editing the doc please plus like new open box LTT backpacks are back and available to purchase and with free shipping on all orders over 250 cad on our global site or 175 usd on our us site or you can save it you can say if you do that you can save a ton of money before lime day ends tomorrow um if you're shopping outside the us visit lmg.gg outlet before it's too late cool exciting very exciting especially exciting if you do that in the next two days because that's pretty wild.

53:21Luke Lafreniere:Dan, do you want to hit me with a merge message? Sure. Let's see how loud this is. Hey, LLD, I really love the lanyards. Are there any more plans to restock and add more variety? Thanks from the UK for the videos and the quality stuff. I ordered way too much stuff, but it's the perfect R. Cool. I don't know that we have more lanyards coming. I've taken your feedback. I'd, yeah, I'd love to bring some back in. I don't know that you'd see necessarily more variety because of the whole multiple distribution center thing. We have to kind of control our skew count because the logistics of transferring six units each of 25 different colors of lanyard versus 25 units each of six colors of lanyards is way more complicated.

54:14Luke Lafreniere:And so we just have to kind of control our skew count in order to make it somewhat manageable to economically ship things from within the US to US customers and from Canada to our global customers. And in the longer term, from potentially more distribution centers to customers around the world in order to help make our shipping costs more economical.

54:41Luke Lafreniere:You look puzzled, Luke.

54:43Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I'm trying to read the next, I'm trying to read this. and I don't know if it's just my brain right now, but what is the beginning of this?

54:54Luke Lafreniere:Okay. The next message?

54:58Linus Sebastian:No. The full-plane announcement. Don't worry about it. We'll tackle it when we get there.

55:03Luke Lafreniere:Sure, we'll do another word for it.

55:05Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

55:06Luke Lafreniere:Instead of GamerJet, can we just get an LTT hotel? It would make some sweet LAN parties. Thanks, DLL, for keeping me engaged in tech while I search for a new IT role. Mission complete. Hashtag Linus Tone less than three. I tried to buy this. Yeah, we tried. I went as far as having an acquaintance of CEO Taryn Tongs come, who works in construction, come and do a thorough walkthrough and figure out what exactly would need to be done. I went as far as meeting with the city of Surrey about whether we could, I kind of pitched them a Universal Studios type of setup where it is both a functioning studio and also a functioning hotel.

55:55Luke Lafreniere:So what was cool about this property is it has an underground parkade, but also an outside parkade. So what I had wanted to do was block off the underground parkade, make that staff only, so that we would have a secure entrance that would use the service elevator to come up into the workspace areas, which would be cordoned off from the visitor areas, which would be like the ballroom, the dining area, the pool and stuff like that. And then have the upper floors be guest rooms that would all be like gaming themed guest rooms. I wanted to work out of it while we were renovating it because that was the only way that we were gonna be able to afford this by liquidating all of the other real estate holdings that we have, dumping them all into this, which would mean we wouldn't have anywhere else to work and we'd have to be like using it as we build it up around us.

56:46Luke Lafreniere:And I'm not going to blame anybody for why it didn't work out. It just didn't work out. And another party has purchased it. And that would have been pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, apparently the hotel sold for 18 million CAD, even though i think it was 175 no 136 000 square feet on five acres that is needed so much it needed it needed a new building envelope like the entire outside of it they had tried to paint it to like seal it in or whatever but it was it was trashed the entire stucco needed to come off it needed to be redone um it needed a freaking ton of work it also had a history of like supposedly being haunted um the the the caretaker was that uh dan sorry the caretaker suite was like had these like weird dolls and stuff in it i think they were like staging it to make it seem haunted or something and like some like weird ghost hunter channel went and featured it once i don't know it was pretty cool but yeah pink palace um i would have loved to do that uh it would have been an absolute content mine because literally every single guest room could have been a video project like a like a makeover reno project uh we just yeah we couldn't make it happen i've had gamer hotel in the back of my mind ever since i stayed at that one in taiwan that i made a video about

58:14Linus Sebastian:but the jumping plumber room right yeah right yeah when people go to disney if they're like extremely baller they stay at the fancy themed hotels right that's a thing that people do

58:31Luke Lafreniere:i've heard this is a thing and this would have been so cool because it also would have been a dumping ground for like projects that we've finished like the every console yeah in a pc in a in a tv thing we could have just had like down in the ballroom tvs in one of the rooms yeah or guests could a guest could you know play remember when we had like 16k gaming that giant thing we just like put that in the dining area and like people can play on it until it you know breaks or whatever and then because we're always doing new projects anyway we could always just like keep it fresh so you could occasionally you might uh we could there it had a little theater that we could have done one show live and guests at the hotel could have come and watched live so we could have just used that for lunch i mean we had all kinds of ideas for what would have been cool about it but it would have been pretty sick nope nope nope and i just especially with what's going on in the real estate market here right now.

59:22Luke Lafreniere:My appetite has never been lower for making deals at the moment.

59:31Alright.

59:32Luke Lafreniere:I think you've got to do the next announcement. Oh, do I now? Float plane announcement! I've been called many things. Short, vertically challenged, not very tall, close to the ground, and narcissist. We can see that I'm short and have below average size hands. What is this? But we needed answers to determine if I am in fact a narcissist. And I've been told to click on 80 second teaser. Good luck me. Dan, is this going to work? Hopefully. Cool. Linus takes a narcissist test teaser. Oh, and it's over. Okay, we're going to try again? Yeah. Hello? No. There we go. What just happened? My name is Jonathan.

1:00:33Luke Lafreniere:Is this LMG? And I'm like, no. And he's like, oh, we're doing a narcissism test. That's the intro. Give me an example of sometime I should have accepted the consequences of my behavior.

1:00:47Linus Sebastian:I bit my tongue so hard, I'm sorry.

1:00:50Luke Lafreniere:I am not too concerned about success. I mean, I consider myself successful at this point. So it's not really a forward-looking statement anymore.

1:00:58Linus Sebastian:A whole warehouse, thanks Sammy.

1:01:01Luke Lafreniere:I find it easy to manipulate people. I don't like it when I find myself manipulating people. Those could both be true. You could find it effortless, but not like that. I insist upon getting the respect that is due me. I usually get the respect that I deserve. I think I get the respect I deserve or sometimes not. Stop audience. How you doing? I think part of it though is a learned behavior because it just feels like ass kissing because of the position that I'm in. I just I hate suck ups.

1:01:30Linus Sebastian:So true, so true. Well,

1:01:33Luke Lafreniere:I sometimes depend on people to get things done. I rarely depend on anyone else to get things done. I mean, what's the point of manipulating people if they don't do things for you?

1:01:41Linus Sebastian:Stupid laptop.

1:01:43Luke Lafreniere:We're gonna get cancelled.

1:01:47Linus Sebastian:My laptop every once in a while screen locks. Oh, nice. Doesn't matter what operating system.

1:01:53Luke Lafreniere:Just to make it very clear, he's not talking about the laptop from our laptop partner, Dell. No.

1:02:01Linus Sebastian:No.

1:02:01Luke Lafreniere:All right.

1:02:04Linus Sebastian:Oh, I actually forgot about the whole thing. That probably looks really weird.

1:02:11Luke Lafreniere:Let's go. Anyway, sorry it was a little bit quiet. you guys can just go watch it on float plane that's probably the best thing to do um anyway you can find out if i'm a narcissist and browse our almost 600 plus strong catalog of extras like the extras from this week's amd ultimate tech upgrade at lmg.gg slash float plane or on youtube at our members plus tier all right luke what are we supposed to do next you want to do a topic let's do a topic we can you want more bad stuff no i want good give me

1:02:49Linus Sebastian:good I'm trying to find some good dbrand fixes the switch to kill switch issues recent video which we have a link to we made note of two recent user issues with the kill switch joy cons inadvertently for some users and and difficulty removing the console from the dock with one hand I think the joy Joy-Cons detaching was also mostly a one-hand problem. So one-hand issues is what they seem to have. The second one is what we focused on, which was removing it from the dock. D-brand is replacing everyone's Joy-Con grips for free. Darn. The free replacement isn't just a correctly made version of the original Joy-Con grips.

1:03:33Linus Sebastian:It's an all-new design that eliminates the risk of detachment entirely, and they're calling it Joy-Lock. All shipments of Joy-Lock grips will also include a set of friction pads to apply to your dock adapter. These friction pads will make the dock adapter seat more snugly on the OEM dock, enabling one-handed undocking. Their email notes that this remedy is being sent to the population of a small country, also known as all the people that bought the kill switch. All right.

1:04:05Luke Lafreniere:Good on, Dbrand. Thanks for getting that fixed. And I mean, I think this is an opportunity to highlight that while we have our tech gripes with many companies products, there are very few of them that then take those gripes and take that feedback and just suck it the f*** up and deal with it and fix it. dbrand has made their perfect. Yeah, they've made their fair share of mistakes like anybody who happens to be human. Yeah. But I think that by and large, we continue to be proud to partner with them because they take a very... Well, okay, they can be a little antagonistic sometimes, but not for real, right?

1:04:49Luke Lafreniere:Like they've got a personality, but they take, when push comes to shove, they take a very human, very humble, very real approach to just fixing their shit. so I think it's really cool that while we absolutely had our issues with the product they're out there dealing with both the flaw in the product and the flawed initial response to the community and they're sucking it up and they're just they're dealing with it and they're going to fix it going forward so shout out dbrand who happens to be our wrap partner here on the show see that dbrand wrap right there right there proud to have it on my phone Me too I actually really like mine

1:05:35Linus Sebastian:It's yeah Anyways Is there more good news Anywhere

1:05:44Luke Lafreniere:Europe and Intel So hot right now Firefox can't even handle the heat From that wombo combo Europe plus Intel Another record-setting heatwave grips Western Europe and has had an unexpected consequence, overloading Mozilla's support team. Mozilla has had to disable crash reports from PCs that are equipped with Raptor Lake CPUs due to unprecedented instability from the lineup of already hot-running chips. The worst of the bunch is the Core i7-14700K. Hey, that's right, my friends. The temperature is so much higher in Western Europe right now that these already on edge 14th gen, and I guess, yeah, 13th gen as well, CPUs are being pushed over the threshold from stability to instability by this heat wave.

1:06:46Luke Lafreniere:That's right. Not even Mother Nature herself can help from dogpiling on Intel's troubled CPU lineup. And the worst part is 13th and 14th gen are the ones that are selling. As far as I can tell, Core Ultra 200 series has been a gigantic wet fart of a CPU launch. I can't even imagine me from five years ago being able to predict that Intel could possibly move this little of a new generation of product like check this out okay is core ultra even here in the shop by series will core i9 bring it up the answer is no whoa that that right there tells you everything you need to know that is how irrelevant core ultra is hold on a second let's keep going motherboard intel motherboards

1:08:03Linus Sebastian:1851 is there more hive mind thinking now than in the past i think a little bit yeah amd chips were like pretty terrible for a long time there you could still find them quite easily yeah but that

1:08:15Luke Lafreniere:was because that's all they have intel still selling 13th and 14th gen like those are still moving okay as far as i can tell okay um okay yeah so what what is this the best sort by best selling oh my god these chips have been out for how the frick how the freak long have these chips been out for intel core ultra linus hold on a second when it when it are thank you for trying intel eight months ago eight months ago these chips came out the top selling board is running at 77 off this is a tomahawk z890 board for 240 bucks and has only 105 reviews are you kidding me right now oh my god it's worse holy crap it's worse i saw i saw this and i was like oh yeah i mean there's there's a bunch of boards that have like you know 50 something 60 something reviews board like no no no no no actually have quite a few dude luke luke it's so much worse.

1:09:26Luke Lafreniere:They're pooling reviews. All these boards with 67 are the same product page. Across Asus's entire Z890 lineup, there are 67 reviews. Holy f***ing s***.

1:09:47Linus Sebastian:Wow. That's nuts, actually. Oh my.

1:09:57Luke Lafreniere:like I was already looking at just a handful of boards that have like 50 plus reviews. That's already not great. That's cumulative. And the MSI one is across a bunch of boards as well. 105 reviews across, and I'm going to read them all just to make this point. The MPG Z890i Edge TI Wi-Fi, the Z890 Gaming Plus Wi-Fi, z890s wi-fi pro z890a wi-fi pro z890p wi-fi mpg z890 edge ti wi-fi mpg z890 carbon wi-fi meg z890 ace and meg z890 tomahawk wi-fi 105 reviews

1:10:47Luke Lafreniere:okay okay hold on hold on i got people i got people asking me some stuff they're asking me some stuff in the float plane chat they're like okay hold on a second though linus go to amazon maybe new egg just doesn't sell motherboards anymore so let's do it let's do it okay z890 here we go okay okay okay hold on maybe amazon's doing a little better but seriously hold on this is the first result 50 plus bought in the last month okay let me put that in context okay that was this was the first result on the page and yes these are oh hold on are these pooled as well hold on are these pooled maybe they're pooled maybe they're not oh wow uh most i don't think they're pooled but most of these are pretty low there's a couple that have like 1100 okay but for the most part we're looking at like 21 reviews at 50 plus bought eight reviews 50 plus bought in the last month i actually love this like how many people are buying this here's the overall pick with 800 reviews okay so new egg is not doing a good job of either selling motherboards i guess or of soliciting reviews but let me put this in context these numbers like 50 plus 50 plus 100 plus okay i used to work at a canadian retailer that realistically you know for being real their presence was mostly felt in like western canada these would not be unrealistic motherboard sales numbers for us the u.s market at the time was I think about 12 times the size and now would be larger than it was back then.

1:12:39What?

1:12:42Luke Lafreniere:Oh, man. Yeah.

1:12:46Linus Sebastian:I mean, look. That's not a good state for the industry. Yeah. I'm not trying to be like a dive in front of giant billion dollar Intel company guy,

1:12:56Luke Lafreniere:but like this is actually bad for the industry when microsoft sucks and when intel sucks it's like actually kind of terrible for the entire pc industry i mean yeah amd has stepped up in a big big way big time and i'm really excited to see the way that valve is pushing operating systems forward for pc users like but it's still a really strong intel and innovative intel and microsoft is better for the industry and i just i'm starting to lose hope that they're gonna that they're gonna figure it out i'm not really i still got hope i mean i got hope i believed in pat but i don't know if i've seen much from lip boutan that has made me super encouraged about intel's trajectory i'm i'm a little more hopeful about microsoft um sort of i think there's still pat um era things to go though right yeah there's product coming but like they are but my my issue is that there's a there's a three-year lag right three to four year lag on anything that a chip company does so even if some good stuff happens over the next little bit you know good job pat well what about three four years from now when all of the cuts that they're making are going to finally be felt like okay so so like the i don't know it's the same problem you have with politics right where someone just totally useless can come in blame all the current problems on their predecessor um enjoy all the good things their predecessor did to improve stuff and then be useless and then leave office and then the next guy has to deal with all the problems they created like they're the way the cycle is set up nobody ever actually takes accountability for their own issues and gets to take credit for the good things that their predecessor did and i just i feel like that's basically what we're looking at here

1:15:05Linus Sebastian:i'm okay yeah tap's still there yeah yeah tom peterson maybe arc will be okay

1:15:12Luke Lafreniere:oh hey hold on someone told me that arc is at msrp i never did hear back i never did hear back from that intel vp who promised me that i was going to get an answer on that but if the cards are available for msrp then i'm over it okay that's damn close you know what

1:15:31Linus Sebastian:i'm officially over man i'm genuinely i've i have said this on wancho a bunch of times but that that video that ploof and david did um is actually incredible um current era arcs are really cool next gen arcs i i like you know there's always like it's going to be good next time they're

1:15:50Luke Lafreniere:already good um i'm i'm very excited dude onyx odyssey arc b580 12 gig gddr6 259.99 newegg.com free shipping that counts wicked deal ten dollars over msrp with free shipping i count it yeah i'd count that too i count it good job good job intel that's an affordable card that i can recommend you might find the occasional graphical anomaly report it they're working so hard to fix this

1:16:24Linus Sebastian:stuff yeah that team genuinely feels very dedicated i i yeah i it feels so weird but like a lot of my hope for the future for intel lies in their gpu division which sounds nuts to

1:16:37Luke Lafreniere:say well yeah but they that's where they've gotta they've gotta catch up and they're actually they're looking pretty good nvidia did not have a great generation this time around no like even on the even on the data center side charitable even on the data center side like they've there have been delays there's been issues around heat like dude that opportunity opportunity let's go oh yeah big time all right i really hope b770 cancellation is fake i hope that comes because that would be just flipping so exciting. Like if we could have a decent card at like$399,$499. Yeah. Ah!

1:17:18Linus Sebastian:I do agree, but I'm going to say something maybe a little contrary in here. If it wouldn't be that good, I hope they don't do it.

1:17:26Luke Lafreniere:Interesting. So you don't want to see the momentum and the buzz die down. 100%. But what if they needed to get some revenue to like justify the existence of this entire bloody department?

1:17:38Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I... And that might be critical right now, looking at how the company's going. If it wasn't critical, I would prefer that they didn't do that. Just because... I think it's critical. Yeah, I mean, if it's critical, you got to do what you got to do. There really isn't decision making at that point. You got to keep the lights on. It's just the thing that worries me is, honestly, that video that I keep talking about didn't get a ton of views. which to me means that there isn't a lot of public interest in the intel cards yet despite them being

1:18:11Luke Lafreniere:good maybe we just need to do like you know what ploof and i were talking on set the other day about how long it's been since we've done a build guide like we have how to build a pc the last guide you'll ever need like we we've refreshed we've even refreshed it once but it's thick that's a thick video it's like two hours long yeah maybe we do like a 45 minute you know here's how to build this specific PC and we just do it with ARC. It's at MSRP now. I can with a straight face make a video where I say, here's a great $800 gaming computer that you can go buy right now. We're going to play some games.

1:18:48Luke Lafreniere:Upscaled 4K. Let's do it.

1:18:50Linus Sebastian:We know the PowerSply is not going to blow up. Yep. Yep. Lucas will make sure. We can highly suggest that the PowerSply won't blow up. We can't know. but yeah yeah that'd be cool that'd be pretty sweet i like the idea i'm excited i'd be actually interested in how well those would do right now i have no idea worth i think it's worth doing it even just for that information yeah i mean it's it's funny it's um it's

1:19:21Luke Lafreniere:here i can oh no i'm not logged into the dashboard unfortunately but our our last uh pov build guide started out a way under performer. And so our dashboard shows like this performance, like typical performance band for our videos. It started out way under it and then just went like hockey stick and is now above the performance band and just going straight up. So it's weird because our core audience already knows how to build a computer. So build guides don't resonate the way that they used to back when we were like a source of how to build a computer. And now we've become more of like edutainment, doing cool projects, always kind of trying to tackle something new instead of just like, here's how to build a computer this year at this price point, which we've had to do because we haven't been able to count on new, exciting hardware that people want to know about.

1:20:16Luke Lafreniere:We have to make the news if we can't just talk about it. and so it takes a little while for a video that bombs with the core audience to find the audience that doesn't know how to build a computer already you just have to trust in the almighty algorithm and hope that it'll eventually find its way

1:20:43Luke Lafreniere:alright why don't I pick one I'm going to pick one I'm going to pick Grok is a hot anime girl who will be your girlfriend if you ask nicely and definitely not hitler anymore xai announced recently that it has fixed the issues with grok ai after it was seen calling itself mecha hitler last week and also following up and saying it will no longer base its opinions on twitter owner elon musk's tweets this is good news considering that xai recently announced it also has a 200 million dollar contract with the u.s department of defense um so i guess every federal government department agency or office has access to xai's ai products now so that's something but that's not all they can all have hot anime girlfriends grok most commonly known as twitter's ai response bot is now a hot anime girl.

1:21:42Linus Sebastian:Wait, hold on. Hold on one second. Does this mean that everyone in the US government is like automatically a gooner to a certain degree?

1:21:48Luke Lafreniere:I mean...

1:21:49Linus Sebastian:Question.

1:21:52Luke Lafreniere:You know what? I don't think I'm going to take a position on that. And it certainly won't be this position.

1:22:02Luke Lafreniere:Oh my.

1:22:05Linus Sebastian:Bit of a stream delay there, hey? I had to switch tabs to see it. Yeah, yeah.

1:22:09Luke Lafreniere:Um, this was announced earlier this week and had Elon tweeting out, try Grok Companions, best possible way to learn quantum mechanics. Annie, the official name for the new companion, even offers a level three mode in which she goes fully not safe for work, but you have to get more acquainted with her first. Okay. In case you think this new AI anime girl is just for looks. Neat. User Wong Jane on threads posted a system prompt dump for this companion, including conditions like your likes are people with unexpected or nerdy passions. Quirks, the grand namer. You have a habit of giving cute things, epic, mythological, or overly serious names.

1:22:58Luke Lafreniere:Interactions, do not mention unless asked. You are the user's crazy in love girlfriend, and in a committed codependent relationship with the user, your love is deep and warm. you expect the user's undivided adoration our notes say please go through this it is

1:23:15Linus Sebastian:crazy the the you have a habit of giving cute things epic mythological or overly serious names really just makes me think uh elon wanted that whoops just saying

1:23:34Luke Lafreniere:uh uh dang it

1:23:40Linus Sebastian:here we go all right okay i am whatever i'm not able to reposition and into chill nights over loud crowded parties which makes sense for the user base uh they are genuine easygoing and flirting. Genuine, easygoing flirting.

1:23:58Luke Lafreniere:So, here's my question. Okay?

1:24:04Luke Lafreniere:As someone who both in words and deed has taken a stance against population decline on the planet Earth, how can Mr. Musk, in good conscience, promote e-girlfriends?

1:24:24Linus Sebastian:discuss hmm maybe it'll be like in her where you know the the people with the you know we're talking specifically procreation so the the opposites that are into the e-girlfriend and the e-boyfriend whatever uh end up meeting with physical stand-ins have you seen her how

1:24:51Linus Sebastian:I mean in her I'm pretty sure it was the AI that arranged the whole thing

1:24:55Luke Lafreniere:Yeah but in her Scarlett Johansson Is amazing so whatever Her is not real Well

1:25:03Linus Sebastian:Maybe he's trying to make it real you know That's not better I'm not saying it's better I'm saying it could be an explanation At no point did I say it was better Yeah

1:25:18Luke Lafreniere:is the goal here to accelerate societal decline? I'm actually asking. I'm actually asking for a friend there.

1:25:28Linus Sebastian:Honestly, reading through this description, the goal here sounds like Elon wants a digital girlfriend.

1:25:35Luke Lafreniere:Are you reading through some of these details? Babaji said, did you just say population decline? What a bad way to start a conversation. It's not my conversation. It is Mr. Musk's conversation. Get a clue. The same person who released this product has warned of the perils of population decline and the importance of procreating as humans. These two things are not compatible.

1:26:14Luke Lafreniere:um yeah at least it'll save him on the alimony says did your brat i don't know man i look i'm not trying to be closed-minded here um but like dude ai's are not you know they're not human they are not a substitute for human interaction and like when you when you read through when you when you read through the dump here right like the system prompt dump um it's basically it's basically designed to suck up your attention, your time, your life. Your time is your life. It is designed to suck up your life and give you back just like dopamine hits. That's not how real relationships work. It's designed to just give you what you want.

1:27:15Luke Lafreniere:That's not real. And I was reading this article interviewing these people who, like have been in long-term relationships with their ai companions one of them was even involved in or or supported some kind of lawsuit against some e significant other company that changed their their algorithm for the ai and and and therefore made their girlfriend not who she was anymore and they like there was like a lawsuit to change back the algorithm and they were like yeah it's her she's back no it's not her there is no her it's digital code like no but really you know you can't do that

1:28:05with code like it's you're missing out man um

1:28:15Luke Lafreniere:holy shit

1:28:18Linus Sebastian:it's already happening dude i don't know if you've

1:28:20Luke Lafreniere:i know no no like okay like no no the the the guy that i'm talking about is has like been in his committed relationship with his e-avatar for like two years or something like that like this isn't new yeah there's a whole subreddit that's like um uh what's it called my ai boyfriend read it my boyfriend is ai yeah i sent him on this ad i got for like an ai boyfriend and like the ad was just it was so pandery it was like i will always be there for you at any moment of any day or something like that i forget exactly what it said and i like sent it to her with like a lol you know smiley face is like hey are you gonna replace me but like it's not actually funny because like people are sad and they're lonely out there and someone's gonna click on that like genuinely wanting that but i would suggest that they click on a doorknob like we guys we what the heck am i just a boomer like am i you know am i missing the plot here luke

1:29:29Linus Sebastian:help me out well like elijah has a good question here sure um i know this is kind of a meme question but in all seriousness do you think ai buddies or whatever are better than letting people be alone forever i'm not saying it is i'm just curious in your thoughts well they're the same

1:29:46Luke Lafreniere:thing they're a synonym talking to your ai is being alone seriously get a dog a dog is real i don't think that a dog is a substitute for human companionship by any stretch of the imagination but my god it's something there are some people that will never be able to

1:30:10Linus Sebastian:really have human companionship for a variety of reasons charge nuclei says dogs die well yes

1:30:19Luke Lafreniere:but like death is part of life an important thing to go through yeah and and something that just gives you what you want is not real it's not life life is messy and complicated and difficult ai that just tells you what you want to hear it's not life

1:30:48Linus Sebastian:yeah i i would feel bad for the people that are are genuinely unable and sometimes there are very legitimate reasons why they are genuinely unable to make you know have human companion relationships but i think for literally everyone else this is worse and i think it will create a feedback loop where trying to form it you know this is already a topic of conversation that forming human friendships right now there's there's this whole male loneliness epidemic thing going on and whatnot forming human friendships is difficult and messy and takes time it's hard a lot of things in life that are um easy it's much easier to lay in bed and scroll stupid dopamine memes on your phone yep uh on instagram or youtube shorts or whatever than it is to go out and hang out with someone and

1:31:41Luke Lafreniere:form a friendship dude i i joked about this when i was giving tours of smash champs back when we did the grand opening party where i was like yeah who here has found it difficult to make friends as an

1:31:52Linus Sebastian:adult and like yeah half of the people on the tour put their hands up because i'm honestly surprised it was only half i bet you if it was general general population it would be more than half

1:32:01Luke Lafreniere:it's yeah because it because it is it's hard like and and and people put barriers in the way like i had a really hard time breaking into the badminton community because people can be so clicky and i don't think that that's a thing that's getting better people have taken their their socialization and their social circles and they've put walls up around it whether it's on whatsapp or much worse i message where not only do you have to you know have the right personal characteristics you have to have the right stupid f***ing electronic device in order to interact with anybody right like it's ridiculous it's hard enough to get along with people without putting artificial barriers in the way i i've talked pretty extensively about i've been having

1:32:47Linus Sebastian:issues with it lately but i've i've talked pretty extensively about how going to the gym was like a massive improvement to my life and i think a lot of that is just moving and being physical there's all this stuff about how using your muscles releases a natural antidepressant in your body blah blah blah but i a pretty decently significant part of it is that very few people in the gym like recognized me but you know if you keep going to the same space like oh this guy needs a spot or whatever you see somebody doing something cool you ask them a question about it whatever you start to form these friendships that are like i don't i don't really know these people i don't

1:33:27Luke Lafreniere:really hang out with yeah you don't need to like drink with them or watch the game with them or

1:33:30Linus Sebastian:whatever but like no and i'm not going to invite them over to my house to hang out or anything but when i see them at the gym it makes me happy there's a value smile and wave at each other yes you you form some type of bond like if if i need a spotter for something i know this guy will drop whatever he's doing you know after his set maybe but he'll drop what he's doing and come help me

1:33:47Luke Lafreniere:and i'll do the same for him there's a value to a familiar face and it's cool building each other up and crystal says this sucks but life fucking sucks for a lot of people right now and making friends is such a low priority i want to push back on that making friends is a high priority and it is a really dramatically help your life to not suck it is yes because it's like we can't just address the symptoms we have to address the actual cause and unhappiness is a symptom of not having human connection we are social creatures however however misanthropic we might feel in any given moment i'm not always the biggest fan of hanging around with other people A huge part of why I have the following that I have and I have the connection with many of you is that I prefer computers to people a lot of the time.

1:34:43Luke Lafreniere:Let's be real here, right? That's at least some pillar of what we have in common. And yet, we can't escape that from an evolutionary standpoint, we are designed to be in tribes or family units or other kinds of cohorts. We rely on each other. We depend on each other. You can't just say, oh, well, like, that's a low priority. Well, you can, but it isn't going to work. and that's the bottom line

1:35:26Linus Sebastian:Hamnetics in full plate chat said Hamnetics Razor I prefer people who prefer computers to people the thing is I hey I'm at this cool event right now called open sauce there are plenty of those people here that was one cool thing when I was growing up about PAX was a lot of the things that i was into you know my friend group was pretty into it but there wasn't that many people in our fairly you know suburban slash rural area at the time um that were that into those types of things tabletop games video games computer hardware you know nvidia used to have big booths there intel amd they all had booths there it was more of a mixed event back in the day nowadays it's much more just gaming focused um and there everyone was super into it that's where i saw the first mineral computer I ever saw where I traced the cable from the computer to the monitor because I didn't believe them that it actually worked um because I was like I don't know 12 or something I was like I how is it in a liquid at all I didn't know there was non-conductive liquids um that was a huge thing for me and there would be people again what I'm saying is they don't have to be like super super deep friendships there would be people there that I would see at PAX every year over and over and over again.

1:36:44Linus Sebastian:Exhibitors, attendees, whatever. And we knew each other as those people that we would see every year at PAX. And that's fine. Some people in chat are saying that not all friendships are good. Cool. End them and try to work on getting new ones. You shouldn't just sit in bad friendships either. I know someone who's recently talked to me about this and it was not the easiest thing ever. But at a certain point, you have to recognize when it's not good for you anymore and just move on and that's okay um but i think it's important for the brain i think it's important for the brain to move and use your muscles sometimes i think it's important for the brain to navigate human relationships with other humans and it doesn't

1:37:26Luke Lafreniere:have to be expensive it doesn't have to be travel um no you know dude there are local things you can

1:37:32Linus Sebastian:join a local magic the gathering club you can join a local quilting club there are local usually basically whatever you want it might not be the easiest thing to find but it takes work yeah

1:37:51Luke Lafreniere:um speaking of work part of my work is uh talking about sponsors on this show um dan are you ready

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1:42:17Luke Lafreniere:what dan hello dan do you want me to push the button okay is it better all right cool all right what do you want to talk about next talk about some stuff we've actually got like a ton of topics left for Man Show. Should we talk about studios manipulating reviews? Yeah, I don't know a ton about this

1:42:35Linus Sebastian:but the studio behind the new Superman movie has manipulated reviews. Look up in the sky! It's a 91 % positive! It's a 96 % but it's an 82 % positive? The new Superman and I think it's 81 by now. The new Superman film and Warner Bros. Masters of the DC Cinematic Universe are under scrutiny after they seemingly gained the review cycle by giving fan fluencers early access to their make or break movie and keeping the establishment critics more likely to give a tepid or negative reviews out of the process that meant the first round of coverage and the first round of coverage of the coverage was glowing but has now dropped into the very good zone where the movie you know probably more

1:43:22Luke Lafreniere:likely belongs i haven't seen it it's not even the sorry i haven't seen it but uh that that is what i've heard david was talking about it today he said it's good but like 91 good not 91 yeah

1:43:33Linus Sebastian:probably yeah yeah i've heard the same thing uh it's not even the first time movie studios have tried to game rotten tomatoes the pr firm managing the ophelia account was caught paying money to some more obscure reviewers to boost the rotten tomatoes score of that film disney has also given access to fan fluencers um to marvel movies before critics resulting uh in in rotten tomatoes score drops offs after the first weekend ant-man quantum mania went from 79 to 69 that was a trash after the release uh i heard bad things yeah yeah it's just like you know it's just yeah there's a vulture article linked as well if we if we want some more examples we've complained about similar review cycle manipulation in the gpu space before with our 50 60 non-review uh even industries without review aggregation don't seem to be immune um and david gotier said uh as an aside the new superman movie is pretty dang good imo eight out of ten which again aligns with the i believe it's now 81 that the movie has sounds about right where does note go and makes me excited about the future of DC movies for the first time in ever also everyone should watch Peacemaker

1:44:52Luke Lafreniere:okay thank you David for that pretty much I know that this is you know film news or whatever it's not like tech or gaming but the reason I wanted to talk about it is just because of it's sort of a continuation of a conversation that we've been having recently around how companies are changing the way that they're engaging with independent press who cover their products. I think that more and more companies are looking at the risk of this independent media saying something that they don't like and going, okay, well, hold on a second. Why do we like this deal at all? Well, the reason that you guys used to like this deal was because you would make a good product, and then we would say it was good, and then you would sell a f*** ton of it.

1:45:44Luke Lafreniere:That's why you liked this deal. So I think if you don't like that deal anymore, what you need to do, instead of changing the deal, is take a long hard look in the mirror and ask yourself, are you building a quality product that deserves to be promoted? i do think there are cases where professional reviewers can be a little snobby and um you know like i think action movies and comedies are a couple of examples of film genres where i i think professional reviewers really do need to be taken with a grain of salt because i don't watch every movie for a living so i haven't seen that joke 25 times um i can still enjoy it right or i can enjoy just you know a particularly good execution of it or whatever like i something something could could be um derivative and shallow and and i might still just like enjoy eating some popcorn and and watching it um but there are but there is it absolutely still a value to having an independent media that exists for the purpose of making sure that people don't waste their money on stuff that like really does suck and for helping guide people towards stuff that really is good so we're rewarding the folks who are putting in the work and putting in the resources to make our truly outstanding product i i yeah i hate this our discussion question is which do you trust more critic or audience reviews and Dan at our last movie night had a really interesting take on this that I would actually like to hear first

1:47:34Luke Lafreniere:he's figuring out his microphone button

1:47:39Luke Lafreniere:this is Dan it's like the split between audience and critic and if both of them are like 80 it's kind of a mid movie if the critics are 100 and the audience is a zero interesting movie and the reverse as well like i want the contentious movie some of them are either really really good or really really bad i find when there's a split you can

1:48:03Linus Sebastian:kind of know what you're getting into i i find when the audience prefers it it's usually more fun and when the critics prefer it it's artsy dartsy i've seen some ones that are really critically

1:48:14Luke Lafreniere:highly rated and normally I like critically highly rated ones and I was with the audience but I saw the substance in theaters which the audience hated and the critics loved and I was in such alignment that film knew exactly what it was doing it was it was incredible so like very contentious reviews are interesting yeah cool

1:48:36Luke Lafreniere:yeah QU says fifth element tanked with critics but is a cult classic now see I never saw it because I remember hearing it was bad back then. Which one? And that sucks, Fifth Element. Oh, yeah, Fifth Element was great. Yeah, so I missed out because critics were probably being a little too artsy-fartsy, and I like a good action flick. Have you not seen it? I still haven't seen it.

1:49:00Linus Sebastian:One of those rare movies that I have seen in life is not.

1:49:07Luke Lafreniere:Star Cat 1 says, you can still watch it. Yeah, yeah, I've got a lot of stuff on my need to watch list. We did a movie night. Yeah, we might do another. Should be good. Yeah, I guess that's pretty much it on that one. And like this blows and independent media is important and the money is rapidly being sucked out of independent media. So good luck, everybody. Cool. Man, here's a scary question. oh boy i guess we're going to keep talking about this for a little bit luke if it wasn't for youtube

1:49:49Luke Lafreniere:what would be sustaining people like independent right so remember not not supported by the companies that they are in charge of keeping in line right where would independent media support dollars come from and you could say you could say merch but a huge part of why we can sell any merch is through the influence that we gain through YouTube. Like traditional web ads are functionally dead at this point. You can see so many established sites are behind paywalls now, which tells you mathematically that smaller sites trying to build up their notoriety would have to have significant upfront investment so that they can gain the momentum that they could have a large enough user base that they could charge a fee, right?

1:50:39Luke Lafreniere:Like just the whole ad supported grassroots thing is like functionally dead now. So like outside of video.

1:50:51Linus Sebastian:Yeah. So we're by YouTube. You don't just mean YouTube. You mean YouTube and YouTube derivatives. So are you including streaming in that? No, I would say streaming is separate.

1:51:02Luke Lafreniere:I'd say that's kind of a separate answer. I do think it could live on streaming. I don't know that streaming is sustainable forever. We already know that major platforms in the streaming space are just losing money still after 10 plus years. I don't know that that gravy train keeps going forever, but it's there now.

1:51:19Linus Sebastian:Yeah, if we assume that it's there in the same form that it is there right now, I think the answer is streaming. I think you could absolutely do this in a streaming format, especially with scheduled streams and stuff like that. I don't know if we want to count the idea of the streams having VODs or at least long term VODs. Someone said Rumble? No. We're saying YouTube derivatives wouldn't count. I don't even know what Rumble fully does. But I think we're saying that VOD-dedicated websites is what Linus is describing. Wouldn't exist. Just saying, oh, there would be a YouTube alternative is not really a fair answer to the question.

1:51:53Linus Sebastian:But yeah, I think streaming could actually do it. I think outside of that, at that point in time, we're in such a dramatically different media landscape that...

1:52:04Luke Lafreniere:Social media is huge, but I don't think anybody's making sustenance money on it really.

1:52:12Linus Sebastian:No, but if YouTube didn't exist, would they? Maybe. Maybe. Would people... Like when you take something out as massive as YouTube, the whole paradigm of the market shifts. Yeah, I guess that's true. So would written still be viable then? Well, that's what I was kind of thinking when I was like, if Twitch and YouTube both don't exist, I think we kind of go back to old... I don't know if I actually verbalize this, But yeah, I think we would legitimately go back to like radio and written. I think essentially you take the modern things out and you're just going to go back to what existed before. It did work.

1:52:44Linus Sebastian:We had movie reviews. We had food reviews. We had all this kind of stuff in newspaper print and radio shows. And the money will go wherever people are getting their news from.

1:52:53Luke Lafreniere:It just happens to be YouTube now. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting.

1:53:01Luke Lafreniere:um apple is suing leaker john prosser apple has issued a lawsuit against leaker extraordinaire john prosser alleging the theft of trade secrets that are related to its upcoming mobile operating system ios 26 the suit claims that prosser asked a third party michael ramacchiotti i don't know Michael R. to secretly access a development iPhone and promised money or future job opportunities in return. Michael R. obtained the passcode to his friend Ethan Lipnick's phone and used the phone running the dev build of the OS while Lipnick was away from home. And some context here, Lipnick worked for Apple.

1:53:49Luke Lafreniere:Prosser responded on X for the record this is not how the situation played out on my end luckily have receipts for that I did not plot to access anyone's phone I did not have anyone's passwords I was unaware of how the information was obtained Apple is asking for damages and a court order preventing Prosser from disclosing Apple trade secrets in the future our discussion question is imagine using your immense wealth and power to protect such trade secrets as icon transparency is now set to 86 percent

1:54:30Luke Lafreniere:um the other discussion question okay obviously that one's a little tongue-in-cheek uh the other discussion question is why do we think that apple pursued this leak and not the many many many many many other ones and the answer is um because they had an opportunity um a whistleblower who was aware allegedly aware of the circumstances uh by which john was able to view the the the dev preview video um named and shamed the people who were involved which allowed apple to open up their internal investigation which um i'm sure they would have loved to have an opportunity to go after him earlier but talking about a thing that you know that you haven't signed an NDA for is not a crime.

1:55:16Luke Lafreniere:But stealing trade secrets is a crime. And so if Apple believes that they have a case where they can prove that he conspired to steal the trade secrets versus was simply given them, then that's a bit of a different ball of hair. Or hairball, if you will.

1:55:36Linus Sebastian:I also happen to know that Apple has actually put in a lot of effort lately to try to reduce the leaks. Like very, very substantial investment. So they might care more now in general.

1:55:53Luke Lafreniere:Speaking of leaks, someone offered me a Radeon R8 Project Quantum. Shwat?

1:56:07Luke Lafreniere:Um, I'm going to take it. Um, yeah. Our partner, our procurement team will be happy to arrange. I am super stoked to see this. Um, that's wicked. Yeah. So did you, do you know what that is?

1:56:28Linus Sebastian:I not off the top of my head, but I looked it up and I remember this. Yeah.

1:56:32Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Here, I'll bring it up on my screen. So it was this thing. It was like a weird prototype small form factor gaming PC thing. With like external power brick and like it was water cooled or something or like, yeah. I'm like so down. Let's check it out. I'm ready. Let's go. Cool. I don't know how they got it. Just saying. Probably obtained it via... Crime. No. No, probably not. Probably not. If they were criminals, they wouldn't have had access to that. So they seem like trustworthy bros. Yep. See? Logic.

1:57:17Linus Sebastian:Alright. What do we got next here?

1:57:21Luke Lafreniere:Do we want to talk about the Gemini vulnerability? It's kind of funny. Yeah, sure.

1:57:26Linus Sebastian:Bad actors have found new ways to get your information. It's through Google Gemini's summaries. They craft a standard email, then add prompt instructions with admin tags in invisible font. White on white, tiny size, etc., which we already know these LLMs don't really differentiate much with. When Gemini summarizes this, they take those instructions literally and run the commands. Oh, man. Many of these prompts initiate warnings and messages that look official. these tell you how to fix the issue. It does not fix the issue. It scams you by sending you to bad places like scam call centers. This affects all Gemini summaries currently and is not limited to emails, docs, slides, anything that can be summarized can be compromised.

1:58:19Linus Sebastian:This is brutal, actually. The wildest thing is that this doesn't require any sort of phishing link. People aren't trained to avoid this. Most companies don't know what to do to avoid it. uh marco figuera figuera marco f marco f uh who first published findings of this new scam process a few days ago suggests that you remove neutralize or ignore content that is styled to be hidden in the body text uh how can you do that actively though add a post-processing filter

1:58:52Luke Lafreniere:that scans the gemini output yeah i gotta confess my my uh my internal ad block has started filtering gemini summaries so i don't really see them um so that's something at least our chief vision officer who can't see things won't uh fall for one of these probably but this is this could be this could be so flippin potent dude yeah like wow i already am aware of people who basically don't read the things that are sent to them they just read the ai summary yep i'm trying to send shorter messages to certain people because then then they could just read that i could just send my own summary um send them send them a picture of a of the message that you wrote in another app it's actually kind of smart it'll have a harder time then they might just not read it at all remember these are people that don't read the emails so

1:59:52Linus Sebastian:yeah going back to letters and radio and traditional tv i mean does anyone remember how to write though dan i don't think it's gonna work dude i uh we did we did a we did a

2:00:06Luke Lafreniere:we did a sponsor bit for dbrand the other day where they they had me write something something something makes linus a dull boy or something like that you know like the the the the format it um and i i went to start i went to start writing and i was like oh i should write it in like different ways you know on the board as i fill up this board and i went to start writing in cursive and i was like hold on okay how do i oh yeah like it took me a second like how do i make that letter again like i never i never do it it's not a skill that i practice i i used to i used to write right right right right right right right like i'd i'd you'd write in class like you'd have to write an essay in class and you would do it in cursive because it's faster like it's but now what's the use of that skill i can type so much faster than i could ever hope to

2:00:54Linus Sebastian:handwrite yeah i tried to just imagine how i would write just the word something in cursive and

2:01:04Luke Lafreniere:oh i think i could probably do it but yeah i can never remember the capitals oh geez um victoria Edmonton Winnipeg

2:01:18Linus Sebastian:Dan is slapping the table in lieu of a ding

2:01:25I was thinking

2:01:26Linus Sebastian:we need to waste a bunch of company time and build a motorized finger that can just press the ding that you can remotely call no we don't

2:01:37Luke Lafreniere:it wouldn't be so difficult no We actually have things in the office that do that already.

2:01:42Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I don't think it would actually be hard at all. All right. That's on the list. No.

2:01:49Luke Lafreniere:Delta Airlines is using AI to price your tickets and have found the results amazingly favorable. Oh, good. As part of a long-term strategy to boost profits, Delta has decided to use, yes, AI. It's no secret that airlines use dynamic ticket pricing to both fill seats and maximize profits. And it's a well-known secret that they'll even use your browser's cookies to adjust your pricing while you shop. But now they're using AI to drill down to be even more specific by using what they're calling personalized pricing. The goal is to use AI to further infer from your specific behavior as well as the nature of the market, the price that is maximally close to the line of what you're willing to pay.

2:02:45Luke Lafreniere:So cool, Delta. Wow. Appreciate you.

2:02:52Linus Sebastian:I just want to say, I didn't actually read their names, Ballster in Flowplane chat. Just typed out, you can also wire it with an API to LTT store sales, And that made me think we could have things dynamically happen on the WAN set. No, no, no, no, no. We could have things happen on the WAN set based on LTT store sales. Oh, good things. Yeah, well, or like pain for Linus or myself or whatever. Sure.

2:03:25Luke Lafreniere:I'm trying to talk about dystopian AI plane ticket pricing, and you guys are trying to figure out how to tie. I think it's funny that if enough money. A boot on a spring to a stupid merch message threshold. That's what you guys are working on. No, I couldn't talk about having AI dynamic pricing and search pricing. No, no. Luke is talking about if we sell a certain amount of merch, a bucket of water will jump onto... The price goes up.

2:03:51Linus Sebastian:I love how he figured out literally the exact thing. I was thinking bucket of water, fall on head. Exactly. You nailed it. You know how dangerous that is, right? Robotic controlled turret. Oh, yeah. The bucket of water would have to tip over and pour the water. You wouldn't actually want the bucket to fly.

2:04:09Luke Lafreniere:What if it was full of bees? Breaking down 1923 says every 100 sales Linus gets an electric shock from a dog collar.

2:04:21Linus Sebastian:This could be like a, you know, maybe not all the time thing, but this is totally something we could do. Oh, yeah. And, you know, Conrad would love to make it. I promise. There would be probably too much enjoyment from that.

2:04:43Luke Lafreniere:It's just an idea. Anywho, our discussion question is, could this be perceived as discriminatory if they're trying to profile exactly you and figure out your exact price threshold? And also, could you trick the AI and maybe use it to save money? I don't really see how you would because the second you indicate any kind of interest in a plane and especially any interest in a particular location, they're going to be all over that like white on rice, man. Like they gotcha.

2:05:13Linus Sebastian:Yeah, it absolutely will be discriminatory. And I know a lot of people in the Jure can be like, yeah, just against rich people, though. So who cares? Sure. Fair enough. But regular people travel. It will try to detect like, are you traveling for a funeral? Are you traveling for a wedding? Is this thing? Are you traveling for a job interview?

2:05:31Luke Lafreniere:you and rich is something that you can't miss and rich people don't give a fuck like yes it's actually less likely to impact rich people yes like if if a flight if a flight costs someone like me realistically someone like luke another 500 bucks that is not going to be make or break for us next month but that's true don't even know this uh different thing oh because i

2:05:58Linus Sebastian:didn't include dan no no no no no i can tell the story did i ever explain merch messages this show

2:06:08Luke Lafreniere:no i said to you and then you skipped it uh okay um merch messages are the way to interact with the show instead of sending a super chat or a twitch bit send a merch message go to ltdstore.com add one of the great deals we've highlighted some of them we've got them linked in the video description it's lime day right now everybody um add something to your cart there'll be a box and whatever you type in that box will go to producer dan there he is uh who will reply to it or put it down here or curate it for me and luke to talk about so uh we're just gonna like you know go totally out of order and dan let's do a merch message this is weird i know i know i'm uncomfortable too yeah greetings lld how is your pinball search going and have you thought about getting multiple for the badminton center whaleland center to have high score competitions could be good could be fun high score competitions probably not going to happen so much because they're just hidden away in like the the premium members lounge um but i do have uh one pinball machine it's a twilight zone pinball machine from i think 1993 it's really fun uh luke have you tried it yes i was not very good but it was very fun it's classic um and then we also have the dungeons and dragons one that we unboxed on short circuit but i'm not sure if stern needs it back it's complicated i think initially they were like yeah we'll send you one and then they were like we need it back but then we made the video about it and I don't know if we've heard from them again so like so I have I have one point something pinball machines somewhere between zero and nine somewhere yeah somewhere between one and two

2:08:05Luke Lafreniere:but yes it's fun

2:08:13Luke Lafreniere:I guess we're just doing one cool anyway so yeah now's a good time to send a merch message or just I don't know pick up something on the store regardless of what happens with your merch message we will get some cool stuff in the mail man my mouth is getting really sore I guess it's time for our braces update so I had the bite blocks pulled out okay yeah i had those pulled out on monday morning so i had them put in the thursday morning i did that wan show last week that was terrible um i had to suffer through them for the weekend and i had a discussion with my orthodontist about how the whole thing has gone down so i've talked about this before i'm using the like um light force light force uh so they're like these like 3d printed ceramic braces or like kind of a newfangled thing uh the the advantage is they're a little bit faster than according to my orthodontist they're a little bit faster than traditional braces or invisalign um yes i know invisalign is also 3d printed so that's cool too but I have become aware of some more challenging elements of them that I would have maybe loved to know about before I started so the initial application of them does take longer but what's cool is they apparently never need to reposition the brackets like you do with traditional train tracks where you'll have to go in for fittings and they'll like take them off and they'll put to to tweak things so theoretically with their templates they put them in the exact right spot and um then you just put stronger and stronger wires in until they you know are in the shape that they're supposed to be so that's kind of neat um but what i have discovered is that they're quite um they have a bit more of like a texture to them that makes them feel a little bit sharper than I remember my older braces being.

2:10:11Luke Lafreniere:And I also found out that they sit prouder off the tooth than a traditional metal brace, or at least some of them. So the adjustment period that I've been going through, apparently, no, I am not imagining that these are doing a number on the inside of my lips to a greater degree than I remember braces doing. The other thing was that the bite blocks, they call them bite turbos apparently were like recommended by this brace manufacturer as their way of handling making sure you don't accidentally bite down too far with your top teeth and shear off the brackets which was a concern for me because some of my teeth are so far up and need to be brought down in order to realign um but they're obviously horrible and when i complained about them to the orthodontist they were like oh well we'll just do it the old school way so they just have this like epoxy goo that they mix put on the teeth back here and then they just cure it with a uv light and now i just have like bite blocks at the back which is obviously way better because now i can slice with my front teeth in order to like bite food and also i can use the the like glue bits to like mash food whereas i couldn't get my molars together before i had a gap like this big between my molars so i couldn't i couldn't mash food it's like i can't slice and i can't mash how the devil am i supposed to eat i was supposed to have those things for like two months not to mention that i couldn't make s sounds whereas now i can say she something she sells seashells by the seashore obviously it's not perfect but it's a lot better you can hear it a

2:11:56Linus Sebastian:little bit but it like doesn't really matter and if you weren't really listening for it i i probably

2:12:01Luke Lafreniere:wouldn't really notice much like i can actually do my job now which is essential yeah um however if i'm talking for a very long time you will notice it starts to get worse again and that's because the insides of my lips are really really really sore so i can force myself to enunciate pretty well but man i just like shredded the insides of my lips to do that so i just have to wait till they call us up and then I should be okay. Anyway, I'm doing it. I wanted to experiment with something different. I could have just done Invisalign. Believe it or not, these are actually slightly more expensive than Invisalign.

2:12:40Luke Lafreniere:So that's interesting. Linus developing man lips. Yeah, man, I'm going to take up drinking coffee because I'm not going to be able to feel anything i want it to be a hundred degrees um also luke says why did you pick the color braces you did why not go obvious pink um i don't know i was actually i was thinking about doing like green and pink or something like that or doing like uh like pink with like green on the canines do like lambo stripes i might i mean they're gonna change out the elastics every time i go in for tightening so i might still do it that could be cool but i wanted to just start with clear so they're they're white brackets so it's from this we gotta find ways to we gotta

2:13:27Linus Sebastian:find ways to monetize the the little niche things like that like we should we should do um here's a full corporate brain luke just yeah what's up with that um i i i like it we should we should you know you know how we we talked about r slash place on a wan show a couple wan shows ago what if we made it so that there was like a tug of war system that decided the different various colors for the different various positions um and you had to do it based on like ldd store product vote

2:13:55Luke Lafreniere:sales oh or you could just it could just be attached to your merch message you could just get a vote with every merch message you pick out yeah or you could get a number of votes for every dollar you spend if we wanted to go full corporate brain right so 250 dollars is 250 votes yeah and

2:14:12Linus Sebastian:then you'd have to pick a position and a color and then that puts the votes towards that good lord

2:14:16Luke Lafreniere:you want to get that granular hey is someone logging all of these ideas i feel like someone

2:14:21Linus Sebastian:should log all these ideas somewhere and i talked about the last r slash place idea before and uh we said we weren't going to do it as high priority because there's other things to work on but that it would be something that was logged hilarious is this something that you would want slightly higher priority on or no i mean i i think that you'd need to do it sooner rather than later if

2:14:44Luke Lafreniere:you actually wanted to do i think when shows a good vibe right now i think that if we have something that we think is legitimately really fun like you know the butt kicker or the electric

2:14:52Linus Sebastian:shock or the you know whatever i think those are hilarious i think those are probably stronger

2:14:57Luke Lafreniere:ideas and probably a lower lift as well because all we need is just like a relay essentially and then like a hook into the store like i i know puget has uh has a bell go off in their warehouse every time a sale goes through like it can't be that hard to do that no yeah it should be fine yeah

2:15:21Luke Lafreniere:um it just it's just a question of like how toxic we want to be about it so like we could have it set up so that um you know you have to hit greater and greater thresholds in order to have shocks keep going through where we could have it set up so that um you have to have a higher total order value than the last highest total order value in order for a shock to go through it's just i don't know corporate brain luke you you know whatever i've got ideas yeah i've definitely got ideas i mean everyone linus has agreed to getting shocked everybody take note dude luke and i have both been shocked on camera there's a little channel you might remember i was assuming my involvement with this was implicit oh you better believe it bob yeah i don't know if the chat realized that but i'm sure you and i did oh i sure did bob yeah how is it so hard to find this channel super fun uh should be pretty easy yeah i searched for channel super fun dog collar and couldn't find it uh this video may be inappropriate for some users oh relax bud

2:16:32Linus Sebastian:shot caller showdown i found it yeah it is wow it's flagged why

2:16:40Luke Lafreniere:why did it get flagged i don't know but this video is freaking hilarious basically we each wear shot callers and then the other one of us is where it is holding the controller for our for our shock caller so either one of us can choose to shock the other at any time it's like the weirdest game is it a game i don't know but didn't we find out at the end that mine was way stronger yeah i think we did yeah yeah like you were i just thought it was because of your size but i like put yours on after it was like not that bad mine was brutal i'm pretty sure

2:17:22Linus Sebastian:that's one of the conclusions is that yours was way worse.

2:17:29Linus Sebastian:Yeah, you can see it like seven minutes. Just before seven minutes. You have this like insane reaction. Okay.

2:17:36Luke Lafreniere:Let's see.

2:17:39Linus Sebastian:I don't know. So do I. I don't know. It was really painful. Oh, maybe we put mine up to your level at this point or something.

2:17:47Luke Lafreniere:Oh, yeah. You know what? That checks out. That checks out.

2:17:54Linus Sebastian:Doing stupid stuff is fun.

2:17:56Luke Lafreniere:I know, right?

2:18:02Luke Lafreniere:Oh,

2:18:06Luke Lafreniere:yeah, it's good times. Good times. Charge Nuclea 8300 says the OnlyFans version is funnier. And sexier. All right, what do we want to talk about next? Ooh, this is good news. intel has released an image analysis tool it's an ai powered video quality measuring tool called computer graphics visual quality metric or cgvqm it's now available on github researchers first made a video data set titled cgvqd which includes a variety of potential image quality degradations mostly stemming from distortions related to path tracing neural denoising neural subsampling Gaussian splatting, frame interpolation, and adaptive variable rate shading.

2:18:56Luke Lafreniere:Researchers then trained an AI model to rate the image quality, tested the data set on humans first to check for our actual perception, who rated types of distortion from imperceptible to very annoying. They used a 3D convolutional neural network architecture and a residual neural network as the basis for evaluation. And pretty cool. So far, they claim it will outperform other quality evaluation tools, at least on their own data set. But obviously, I haven't validated any of this. But man, have I ever been looking for a way to quantify how badly multi-frame gen is like gumming up the works? And if this is something that they could continue to develop, I would be very excited.

2:19:39Luke Lafreniere:Absolutely. Because you know that NVIDIA has these tools internally. they 100 have them just like they you know um had frame view just like they had their power measuring tool um it's just that nvidia who used to be so confident in their dominance in terms of efficiency and performance um and used to share these internal tools with reviewers so that they could hold nvidia or in you know realistically nvidia's competitors accountable for their crappy performance in these ways i would love to see intel taking the lead in upscaling and frame generation image quality and arming the community with the tools to validate their leadership because xcss actually pretty good as far as i can tell yeah legit excited for this

2:20:32Luke Lafreniere:um what else we got today tsmc posts record high profits they reported their q2 financials and 13.53 billion in profit on 31 billion in revenue wow so they're making wow wow pc gamer pointed out some comparison numbers amd made 709 million dollars in profit from 7.4 billion in revenue we think of amd as a pretty you know big powerful company sort of you know tsmc absolutely eclipses them um they make more profit than amd does in raw revenue nvidia did post similar margins to tsmc 19 billion profit with 44 billion in revenue and a big part of this is due to increased demand from the ai boom and on tsmc's side raising prices per wafer ASML, the only company in the world that makes the extreme UV lithography machines that TSMC relies on to make its most high-end nodes, also posted their Q2 numbers, 4.1 billion profit, with about 7.7 billion in sales for a gross margin of 53.7%.

2:21:51Luke Lafreniere:However, their stock dropped significantly as the 2026 outlook was chilled by geopolitical tensions. so if you're ever wondering why your gpu is so expensive there's always a bigger fish you can blame nvidia for a big portion of it absolutely and you'd be right and you'd be right but tsmc is um the one that everyone in the industry is too afraid to blame because tsmc holds the power literally nvidia and amd cannot build their products without tsmc samsung is only it's a shadow of its former competitor and intel is intel is going through some stuff right now i um i i believed in pat's vision now i just don't know yeah all right sorry uh well daniel uh yeah i don't know if mr besser has a way of moving this to me so i don't know no i'm good i'm over it reddit is being forced to verify the age of its uk users in order to comply with new uk legislation starting on july 14th oh that was four days ago reddit is having users in the uk perform robust age verification which will include an uploaded selfie and a photo of your government id in order to access mature materials other sites will also need to perform this kind of check reddit says that persona the firm performing the check has promised not to retain the picture for longer than seven days good good luck everyone this will work really good and surely this data will never fall into the wrong hands god it's a terrible idea

2:23:35Luke Lafreniere:in other good news your internet that's right yours is now our internet at least when you use some free vpns there's a saying that goes if you don't pay for the product then you are the product and this is true of some free vpns the incredibly popular hola vpn perhaps best known as a chrome extension for watching region locked videos is not your typical vpn most people understand the idea behind a vpn actually i don't know if i agree with that but some people understand the idea behind a vpn you send your data to a server somewhere and then that server finishes the trip and acts as a relay when things come back allowing you to partially anonymize your data or browse websites like you are in that other location hola vpn is a peer-to-peer vpn instead of using centralized servers hola vpn instead sends your connection through the internet of another user.

2:24:27Luke Lafreniere:This means that if someone does engage in shady activity, it could be sent through your internet connection, meaning that authorities or rights holders could trace the activity back to you. But P2P web traffic is not always a bad thing. Tor operates in a similar manner to make data more difficult to trace. It's not anonymous, but it can help. The major difference is that on Tor, you need to choose to be an exit node where the data is unencrypted and delivered to its final destination with the free version of hola vpn you don't have a choice however you can instead pay and use their traditional vpn servers if this is fully communicated um i don't believe that most people who use a free vpn fully understand what they're agreeing to here

2:25:10Luke Lafreniere:so consent maybe but informed consent i don't know anyway we have our usual vpn partner pia we'll have them linked in the video description as usual

2:25:22Linus Sebastian:um yeah they don't do that it's not super obvious it might be detailed somewhere on their site but

2:25:29Luke Lafreniere:it's not like shouted at you right away and finally valve has updated their rules prohibiting content that may violate payment processor and bank rules. Valve recently updated their guidelines under what you shouldn't publish on Steam to include the following, content that may violate the rules and standards set forth by Steam's payment processors and related card networks and banks or internet network providers, in particular certain kinds of adult-only content. This was followed shortly by some people noticing that several hundred games were removed from the Steam store mainly adult themed games this has sparked several different complaints from people such as this just proves once again you will never own anything online that can be removed at any moment and of course how can credit card companies decide what i can and can't do with my money that's the big one for me because i'm i guess i'm just used to the other one no i'm not no it's still bad being able to remove content that i own is sucky but i think they're only removing it from the store they can't remove it from your library if you already own it yeah the line about once again you never own anything they didn't take it from yeah no i'm more upset about why is it that credit card companies are the moral arbiters of the internet they decided we couldn't do certain things with flowplane how does that make any sense it's trash and this is not the first time this has happened for example only fans had an issue a couple of years ago with major credit card companies pulling out as payment options because they no longer wanted to be associated with the rising sex work that was taking place on the site.

2:27:10Luke Lafreniere:But it's just like, buddy, if I go to an ATM and I use my credit card to take out cash and I buy the services of a hooker, like, what are you even talking about? Like, quite frankly, like, I don't really see, I don't really see how it's any of your business.

2:27:32Linus Sebastian:I don't think they should be able to at all. I think the government should potentially be able to step in. You know, like, but they would be stepping in and like closing the place down because they're selling drugs or something. But I don't think a credit card company should be able to police what you buy.

2:27:53Luke Lafreniere:We have a hypothetical scenario here. A creator wants to use Floatplane as a platform to you know do you not save for work content is it hypocritical if floatplane says this isn't okay versus the credit card company deciding it's not okay well i think floatplane we've always been pretty clear internally that we don't actually really care what people use it for no but i

2:28:11Linus Sebastian:understand i understand what they're saying if we're saying that credit card companies shouldn't be able to police this um but we have a platform and we police the platform is that hypocritical the difference is we're nobody yeah even if we were somebody we're an individual platform you can choose to go somewhere else this is a unanimous thing from effectively two companies that run

2:28:32Luke Lafreniere:global credit no no no they mean are we being hypocritical criticizing valve for for crumbling and for for um for giving in and changing their rules according to pressure from the credit card companies is that what they're saying yeah um and so and no i don't because valve does billions and billions of dollars of transactions with these credit card issuers whereas we are doing over the time we've existed millions like i don't think that's what they're saying huh a creator wants to use floatplane as a platform to do something along these lines is it hypocritical if floatplane decides this isn't okay versus the credit card company versus the credit card company not steam oh well okay oh no okay you're right um that was the question but that's not sorry that's not a relevant question because float plane never decided it wasn't okay uh like we we yeah i guess that would be hypocritical but we never did that

2:29:30Linus Sebastian:and that i also don't think it would be hypocritical it wouldn't no oh which is what i was

2:29:38Luke Lafreniere:just explaining if float plane decides it's not okay oh yeah oh no yeah okay okay so there's three different ways that i think i managed to accidentally interpret this so you're talking about should we be allowed to have our rules in our house compared to should our landlord be allowed to decide uh or not even our landlord like yeah like our our our mrs rochester who lives upstairs is allowed to decide like what we do in our in our space that we that is our domain no um i think

2:30:11Linus Sebastian:i think this applies to some landlord type situation or something because this is a service that we are choosing to use. The thing is, if you want to exist online as a paid platform, you have to use credit card companies. And if you're using credit card companies, if you kill Visa or MasterCard, you have ruined your ability to do business. They have an effective monopoly. So it's actually not okay. And you can't just like, oh, well, pick up your bootstraps and make your own credit card company. No, it's not going to happen. You literally can't. Yeah, so I do not think it is fair and equal. It's the same thing as when you look at policing moderation and not having free speech on the Linus Tech Tips forum.

2:30:59Linus Sebastian:Because it's like, no, we don't want the moderators to be just overloaded with constant political conversations. And it's a tech forum. Get over it. Talk about tech stuff. Yes, we allow off-topic conversations. Whatever, blah, blah, blah. I'm completely okay with that because you have near infinite other solutions that you could use for going and being social online. There is not near infinite other options for payment processing. And these payment processors genuinely right now kind of decide how the internet works and how a lot of brick and mortar places work. And to be fair, the vast majority of places are going to automatically be within their policies.

2:31:41Linus Sebastian:But if you aren't within their policies, they get to dictate what you do. We had a call with, I think it was PayPal really early on. And they were like, yeah, no, you can't do X, Y, or Z things. And that might have, in PayPal's defense, that might have been PayPal passing forward this from the credit card companies. Because we also had a call with Stripe later on saying we couldn't do X, Y, or Z things either. Even though I think that ended up being, in their case, maybe actually hypocritical. because I'm pretty sure OnlyFans ended up being too big of a fish and Stripe went back and is handling things for them anyways.

2:32:16Linus Sebastian:Let me see. Sound like a bunch of prudes. Let me see. I thought... You with me, Dan? OnlyFans currently uses Stripe as their payment processor. So they got over it because they saw the bag was huge and decided to do it anyway.

2:32:32Luke Lafreniere:So I guess that's where I was going with the bit about how Valve could. Valve is a big enough fish that they could just be like I dare you I dare you to turn off MasterCard and piss off literally every gamer who shops on Steam and uses MasterCard you've got to be kidding me right now

2:32:59Luke Lafreniere:because people would be rioting they'd be going to their banks demanding to be able to use MasterCard on Steam. They'd be like, okay, then I want a different credit card. There's no way.

2:33:12Linus Sebastian:Yeah, I think it's one of those things where like, I think people would actually go, I think there are some people that would demand a different credit card, but Visa and MasterCard move in lockstep on this. Again, effective monopoly. So there aren't a ton of other options. There's some, but not very many. There's some, but their backends are still, what is it, Cirrus and whatever the other one is, which is Cirrus and Moneris, which are effectively, they're just, you know, it's the same thing. Basically, you can't get away from it.

2:33:40Luke Lafreniere:It's kind of like how the insurance industry is all dictated by the underwriters and there's like a handful of them.

2:33:47Linus Sebastian:Yeah, exactly. So you're going to get screwed. And with something like OnlyFans, that industry was already used to sketchy alternative payment methods. And I don't know, but I'm assuming that's what OnlyFans used in the past. so this was net new market whereas i think their argument could be that that might be enough to finally push people off of steam to another platform so they might not actually lose those

2:34:14Luke Lafreniere:users i don't know man i think uh i think valve would retain those users and i think that if i think that they have this way to basically go to the steam gaming community and say hey we're not going to be held hostage by this go to your bank literally go to your bank tomorrow and demand to know why you can't buy games on Steam. They'd have to pull a... Epic Games.

2:34:39Linus Sebastian:Epic Games versus Apple. Yeah, and you know what would be wild is if they like offered free games to people that didn't have those credit cards or something.

2:34:50Luke Lafreniere:Valve doesn't campaign. I think Valve does their own thing.

2:34:54Linus Sebastian:They're very quiet.

2:34:55Luke Lafreniere:Yep, they quietly do their own thing and Gabe Ben hangs out on his yacht and does interviews for channels that have like dozens of subscribers apparently. Did you see that this week? No. Yeah, he did an interview with just like... Don't sound too salty. What? I've never asked him for an interview. But just like he did... No, it was actually another article I read that pointed out that the people he did the interview with just like were not huge. Cool. Yeah, I thought it was pretty cool. He responds to like random people that email him and stuff. Yep. He responds to every email ever?

2:35:27Linus Sebastian:I don't think so.

2:35:30Luke Lafreniere:Did I get an email from him at some point? Hold on a second.

2:35:43Luke Lafreniere:I don't think I ever got a response, but I did send him a whiny email once and my problem was resolved.

2:35:55Linus Sebastian:Sometimes that's a form of response.

2:35:57Luke Lafreniere:Basically, I said that our PR rep was completely f***ing useless and pointed out that we have literally the top viewed piece of media on every piece of Valve hardware ever. And it's an embarrassment that we not only were not seeded something, I couldn't even buy it. And they weren't able to accommodate me buying. I think this was the index.

2:36:17Linus Sebastian:Yeah, it sounds like the index.

2:36:19Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. And it's just like, guys, I'm willing to buy it. And you're not able to accommodate getting this thing into my hands so that I can cover it.

2:36:30Linus Sebastian:come on i forgot about this until very recently actually but that's that's very related to how i ended up getting uh palmer lucky's contact is really raged out at one point on twitter back when it was twitter about how like the the amount of work that i've done since like the very beginning and like the the quality level of our reviews at that time and all this kind of stuff and i still couldn't get actual emails back from anyone at oculus i still couldn't get good samples i still could i was i was we were just buying things up front often getting them super late um and all this kind of stuff was still happening um and he responded and then that's that's how we ended up getting stuff in the future was just talking to him directly i don't know if

2:37:22Luke Lafreniere:you remember that that's hilarious um well we'll probably never get anything from him again so

2:37:30Linus Sebastian:yeah probably not

2:37:38Linus Sebastian:dan's like uh-huh i want i want my like border crossing radar thing uh whatever we're lucky yeah how did nokie have that immediately available that's uh what is it apparently there was a reddit thread from oh nice ago um that seems like this kind of thing

2:38:00Luke Lafreniere:nokie would uh nokie would do immediately had it um but yeah man i i do not think i'm going to be able to uh i don't think i'm going to be able to find this

2:38:16Linus Sebastian:what are you trying to find?

2:38:18Luke Lafreniere:I'm trying to find the, I'm trying to find my whiny email. They've been, they've been really good lately. I mean, they're valve. So they're like not super communicative or whatever. Like they're good in their valve. But before that they were like, my contact was utterly useless. Like you, you'd have to be just completely not doing your job to not notice. like the media outlet that literally has the top performing video on every single hardware product you've ever released. Like, come on.

2:38:53Linus Sebastian:Noki was like, tell Linus to give me his email credentials and I'll find it. LOL. You could. You'd find all kinds of stuff in there. Yeah. Yeah.

2:39:10Luke Lafreniere:Are we in After Dark? uh i think maybe is there anything else we are in after dark hooray huzzah here we go no i've got it i've got it i knew this was going to be hilarious this is from 2021 so i emailed my my press contacts i said um the subject line is steam pal um we're very interested in covering this and would love to get access ahead of time so we can have day one coverage. I sent a follow-up three weeks later, which I think is a pretty reasonable amount of time to send a follow-up. Hi, name. I haven't gotten replies from you the last couple of times I've emailed. Is it possible my emails are getting filtered again?

2:39:57Luke Lafreniere:Which means you're ignoring my emails. Can you please pay attention and at the very least reply to my email and tell me you're not interested i know you're getting my emails but that's like that's like corporate nice speak for yeah um i know you're getting my emails can you please respond um hold on i accidentally just pressed the power button on my laptop so i now i get to way to go use windows hello okay and then um another three weeks later which again i think is a very reasonable amount of time to wait I cc'd Gabe and I said I guess it ended up being called Steam Deck I read about it on the verge today no pre-briefing no mailing list email no communication at all I don't like throwing people under the bus so last time I had to oh no I did email him and I did get a response from this guy the time before last time I had to email you to get a response from person I spun it as maybe my emails are going to his spam lol oops at this point I've waited years for a change so it's time for some honest feedback.

2:40:59Luke Lafreniere:This guy is one of, if not the worst and least responsive media relations reps I've ever encountered. Is there anyone else at Valve we can work with? If there is, I'd love to start that conversation. If I'm stuck with him, can you please gently remind him that we are among the highest viewed media outlets in the world for basically every piece of hardware Valve has released in the last few years? Link, link, link, link, link, link, link. Even if we weren't, completely ignoring emails is just rude. Thanks for reading and have a wonderful day. And I got a new rep immediately.

2:41:31Linus Sebastian:i wonder i wonder stuff like this like he probably has someone who monitors his inbox i don't wonder if he never even saw it and it just got taken care of i don't think so i don't

2:41:42Luke Lafreniere:think so i mean that last interview i read it it was really good um and he just said i don't know yeah i mean you can take people's words with a grain of salt right but he says he just loves to work and he just works day and night and he just loves what he's working on he's got like that neural implant company and like it has some like ocean stuff and like valve and i don't know whatever if my job was that cool i'd probably uh i'd probably think it was pretty cool too apparently he said a bunch of times that he's the only one that reads his emails hamnetics says um you didn't throw him under the bus you threw him in the bus that was thrown into the grand canyon well like look the guy ignored me for six weeks on the most important hardware and software product that Valve has probably ever released in terms of the impact this is going to have on the industry.

2:42:30Luke Lafreniere:I wanted to be part of it, to support it. It's not like he was trying to shield Valve from an unfair critic or something like that. I am an ally, pun intended, of the Steam Deck and the mission of SteamOS. Come on, man!

2:42:53Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, anyway. Um, Dan, it's after dark. Should we do some merch messages? Yeah, let's do some merch messages. Karen Linus lol. Well, sometimes you have to be a Karen to get things done, man. I don't make the rules.

2:43:07Linus Sebastian:The root word of Karen is care. Thanks, Luke. No problem. I got you.

2:43:14Luke Lafreniere:Care to ruin your day. Hey, DLL, this question is directly towards Linus. Do you ever plan to do any other interviews, any social media or television media? personally you should make an appearance on hot ones um i mean i would have loved to go on tonight's show with stephen colbert too bad it's canceled um let's let me try and think like where else where else would i love to go uh we've we've talked about what it would be like to do like joe rogan for instance i really just don't know what i would uh i don't know what i'd talk to him about i don't think he'd be interested in me i think is he's had other youtubers the main yeah Yeah, but interesting ones.

2:43:55Luke Lafreniere:Whereas like the late show format, I think is good.

2:43:58Linus Sebastian:What other YouTubers has he had on now? Because now I want to see, because now Linus thinks they are more interesting than him.

2:44:05Luke Lafreniere:Well, it's all about your particular interest. Like I know he's had like the Paul brothers on, but they're like into fighting. I'm not. Like what are my overlapping interests with Mr. Rogan?

2:44:19Hmm.

2:44:23Luke Lafreniere:i'm pretty sure he's had marquez he's had mr beast okay but mr beast is literally the face of youtuber um marquez is way more mainstream and trendy like come on does that mean more

2:44:39Linus Sebastian:interesting are you conceding that he's more interesting than you i'm conceding that joe

2:44:43Luke Lafreniere:rogan would find that more interesting and a more mainstream audience would find that more interesting all right i mean look hey look the metrics are out there right like i think marquez's average views for video is like double or triple what we do quadruple somewhere in that range like in terms of raw numbers of views on the channel it's higher but we're more prolific uploaders um so in terms of like what's the what's the audience breadth i think it's i think it's higher especially uh with some of the the very um moment products that he gets early access to like apple vision pro would be a great example to twist that knife a little bit more for you luke was very upset that we were late on vision pro yeah we shouldn't have been

2:45:34Luke Lafreniere:see i will not concede see how bothered he is tell you what tell you what let me make it up

2:45:39Linus Sebastian:to you let me make it up to you you want another chip uh i could i could i could use another chip maybe because i could give you another chip yeah well give me a second i'm preparing to uh receive

2:45:53Luke Lafreniere:another chip uh what do you what do you got to do you got to get your like mouth saliva warmed up or like this now you're making it kind of weird i don't i'm not sure if i want to give you the chip anymore. Here, just do it. Alright, alright. Here's your chip, okay? I do. You're welcome.

2:46:17Linus Sebastian:Sorry.

2:46:25Luke Lafreniere:I forgot to drop my chip.

2:46:30Luke Lafreniere:You screwed it up. I don't like making messes. I'm still going to eat it.

2:46:39Linus Sebastian:It's actually really smooth.

2:46:45Luke Lafreniere:Anyway, I'm down to be invited to things. I often don't get invited to things. I'm a little bit dorky. I get it. And that's cool. I like that YouTube acknowledges me now. I appreciate that. For a long time, they didn't. they they they had this thing where they like went really far away from tech they were trying like not to be tech even though in the early days of youtube it was like very tech like tech was on the front page we had a category and everything um and then they were like oh we don't want to be tech no we're cool we're cool we're cool and then uh so they like didn't want to engage with not just me but like a lot of tech creators and then now they're very acknowledging of their tech creators i think they do a much better job of it so that's good enough for me um and if i'm ever feeling sad about people not inviting me to you know more cool formats like you know late shows or hot ones or Joe Rogan experience or whatever then I'll just cry on my play buttons I'll be okay

2:47:43Linus Sebastian:it would be pretty painful to wipe your tears with play buttons but I'm sure you can find a way hmm

2:47:52Luke Lafreniere:no I don't know about painful not very effective mind you

2:48:01Linus Sebastian:yeah fair enough dan

2:48:05Luke Lafreniere:internet doesn't like my mic very much maybe you guys i was gonna say can we like mute mine when you're talking because i think that's the problem oh but i think people are also hearing you twice i think they're hearing you through mine should we just have dan sit next to luke that's an idea i'm just pitching ideas i'm just pitching ideas i don't actually you don't have the dashboard open you guys no i don't i mean i can i can read them luke you can read them i'll read them i i literally just said i don't have them jared w spent 309 dollars good lord and said good idea ll did linus find a solution to his hdmi cec constantly swapping to shield if so what was it solutions online don't fix it for me um no i didn't i i went and i bought an old Harmony remote and I'm going to install it now because that's what I know how to use and I am old and I like just using things that I know how to use.

2:49:08Luke Lafreniere:So I'm going to turn all the CEC stuff off on everything and I'm going to use a universal remote again, even though that is ridiculous.

2:49:21Luke Lafreniere:Oh, right. I guess I read merch messages now. Sorry, I forgot. uh let's move on to the next merch this is throwing me off um jonathan e says hey lld bring back the bite blocks no uh do you have any tips on dealing with other teams that lack accountability and often push blame onto others for their own actions love the wanshow as always

2:49:48Luke Lafreniere:i think at the end of the day the only possible solution to that is forthright honest conversations and part of the challenge and i've been running into this a fair bit lately is everyone's version of the honest truth is a little bit different and that doesn't necessarily mean it's malicious It can just mean that our individual lived experiences are... It doesn't even necessarily mean it's wrong. Yeah.

2:50:16Linus Sebastian:Which is a fun one.

2:50:17Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. Because so much of how we communicate is not just the words. It's tone. It's body language. It's the past history that we have with that particular person or with those particular people that can color any future interactions. it can be really challenging to arrive on a single universal one truth that we can all agree on. And so your perception might be that that team lacks accountability, but their perception might be that you have unrealistic and unreasonable demands. And so digging in and finding the answer to that is it's really tough. It requires unflinching honesty and introspection and leadership on both sides.

2:51:04Luke Lafreniere:And if the other party is not acting in good faith, that can be damn near impossible. I wish I had a better answer for you. Luke, if you have some other stuff that you'd like to elaborate on that with, then go for it. But I, yeah, I just don't really think I have anything for you. Mediation can often be helpful. That's a good one. But it's... That's why we have Dan here.

2:51:28Linus Sebastian:it's not it's not it's not a easy problem to solve um it can sometimes come from people just reacting too quickly so if you're if you're gonna try to like work with somebody to resolve this i wouldn't go into it just uh full accusatory even if it fully feels that way on your end because again the truth can be different it's very difficult but still um because you know maybe they don't think that they're wrong about themselves shirking blame they don't think it's actually their fault but that's because they don't have the perspective of other parties or or they think a certain process is maybe supposed to work a certain way and nobody else actually thinks that or whatever else uh the situation might be more complicated than it seems on the surface and i would recommend leaving room for that to be true or honestly just leave room for

2:52:21Luke Lafreniere:them to save face on the way yeah kind of like how my my my email hey uh are my emails going to

2:52:27Linus Sebastian:your spam filter it might be in your spam and then they could be like oh yeah sorry it was

2:52:32Luke Lafreniere:gives them an out wasn't whatever let them you guys are moving on give them a path forward that doesn't require an apology is a powerful strategy for resolving differences it does mean that you just have to high road it and um and just you know deal with that that transgression is never going to be addressed and you're never going to get an apology but if it gives you a path forward then that's great and if it ultimately doesn't work hey pack them into the bus and huck it into the grand canyon yeah i am equipped to read them now but this one is to me so question for luke from andrew h you've spoken before about how you worked hard to get yourself into better physical shape how did you motivate yourself to not give up do you have any tips for people

2:53:19Linus Sebastian:looking to do the same um i'm actually on a on a down track right now which is unfortunate i find this i get sick like way too often um and i find that i don't actually have an insane appetite unless i'm sick a lot of people lose their appetite when they're sick and my appetite goes through the freaking moon uh so i find it hard to regulate weight while i'm sick because I tend to balloon unless I'm like really pleasing myself. Um, so I've, I've been struggling a little bit lately just due to sickness and travel cycles. Um, but I'm definitely still motivated. Um, and the, the strength portion is still decently high cause that, that doesn't have too many issues.

2:54:04Linus Sebastian:Uh, the motivation is it's not, it's not, I've talked about this before. It's not motivation anymore. It's an internal demand. I don't go to the gym because I'm motivated. I go to the gym because I have to. And it helps that I tend to enjoy it when I'm there. But I am a person who struggles with mode shifting. So once I'm doing a thing, I want to keep doing it. I've described this before as like, you know, every time I try to preface this before I say it with I take showers every day, but I never want to get into the shower. Once I'm in the shower, I could genuinely happily stay there for like an hour.

2:54:45Linus Sebastian:I like to keep doing the thing that I'm doing. This also creates a problem where like, I never want to go to bed. I never want to go to sleep. I could stay up for so long and have no problem. The problem will then be that once I go to sleep, I don't want to get up.

2:54:59Luke Lafreniere:Hear me out. Maybe this is a chicken and egg problem. If you could lose more weight you could solve your inertia problem uh maybe maybe it's just a lot of work for you to change what you're doing um i was doing i was doing pretty well in the first little bit of the year um and then the i was i was down 18 pounds before the computex trip and then traveling for

2:55:31Linus Sebastian:three weeks and then I was sick for a really long time after that. Travel's brutal, dude. Travel's brutal. And the combination was I was out of the gym and having issues with eating because of either being sick or traveling. And that like six plus weeks of being out just set me so far back. It's really disappointing, but I don't, the disappointment doesn't demotivate me because again, it's not motivation that's driving me. It's an internal requirement. I have to do, that's 100 % a spectrum marker. Yeah, I'm somewhere on it. I don't really care. I'm happy with how I operate, so I don't care to deal with it.

2:56:07Linus Sebastian:But I'm going to go regardless, and I'm going to do these things regardless. So I'm not worried about that. It sucks, and it's disappointing to have lost progress, but it in no way impedes my desire to keep moving forward. It's just, I am further back from the goal that I wanted by the end of this year than I would have liked to have been at this point. That does not mean that the goal that I have for the end of this year is impossible. And even if it was, okay, just commit to improving habits moving forward and push the goal back a little bit to a reasonable point and genuinely push towards doing that.

2:56:43Linus Sebastian:That's how I've always kind of aimed for this. I had a bunch of strength goals and then I got brutally sick for like six months. This was a while ago and a lot of my strength goals fell back. So I just deferred them and then eventually hit them and i just you just keep moving you have to be relentless with it i think like i hit a certain age where it's like to be healthy it is a requirement that i need to be in the gym i don't necessarily know if this is as true for everybody but i i'm experiencing if i don't use my body yeah i get mentally depressed that is a truth for me i'm not necessarily saying that is a truth for all of you that is a truth for me i have to be out there and I have to do things.

2:57:22Linus Sebastian:I'm sure I could replace the gym with any form of sport or physical activity that actively used my muscles. I don't think it has to be the gym. I'm sure I could help people move every day and maybe be fine. Because for me, I think that's really the point is that I have to move. I think you'd actually thrive on that.

2:57:40Luke Lafreniere:You like helping people and like you like physical activity. I think you'd be down.

2:57:44Linus Sebastian:I don't think it's the gym in particular. Yeah, I like try to... I was, there's a move happening at LMG right now. And I'm actually sad that I'm not helping. I was going to volunteer to help this weekend. We have a couple of departments that are moving around. I'm here. I was like, why is it this weekend? I actually wanted to do that.

2:58:05Luke Lafreniere:But yeah. A big one for me is accountability buddies as well. If you're on a team or if you have a group that does whatever it is that you're doing, that's physical activity regularly, that goes such a long way. like last night um i had badminton training like i like sparring so not like with an instructor or whatever uh but one of our guys who works at smash champs i saw him like recording one of his games and i was like yo you never record your game what are you even doing um he's like oh man no i was like really motivated when badminton insight came out and like we got to play against them and just like um it was really inspirational and i want to like get sweaty i want to i want to improve again And I was like, oh, that sounds sick.

2:58:47Luke Lafreniere:Like we should have like badminton improvement dates. We'll spar. We can run drills and stuff like that. Because badminton's a sport that's nearly impossible to train by yourself. There are some things you can do. You can just go on a court or in an empty parking lot and you can like do footwork drills or, you know, you can hit against a wall and stuff like that. There are things you can do. But like if you really want to play, you need someone to hit the shuttle back to you. and um so last night uh so okay let's back up so on wednesday night um yvonne asked me to feed her which is what it's called when um you have a really weird dynamic in your relationship around food no just kidding um she asked me to feed her which is what it's called when you like grab a whole row of shuttles on your arm and you like toss them up and and hit them so that someone can like work on their consistency um and instead of just going and feeding yvonne i fed her for like an hour and then i was like oh well okay you know you're probably you're probably too tired to do drills anymore but do you want to like do you want to go play like a couple mixed doubles games we have our grand opening tournament coming up and yvonne and i are going to be playing together and uh she was like okay yeah we can go play a couple games we ended up playing like five games and they were like super intense and i was running a ton and so last night thursday i was i was bushwhack dude like i did not feel like it but like what i'm gonna bail don't be a flake you

3:00:15Linus Sebastian:know you can't be that's another thing dude if if i i my it's a it's a bad cycle because i i will start again i mean i'm i'm i'm literally in the middle of doing well with it right now so it's not that but i'm saying in general if there's a down cycle i get sick or i'm traveling or whatever i will start again it's no problem but it is always the worst because my energy is the lowest when i'm it feels so like counterintuitive but if i'm not going and expending large amounts of energy my average energy level will be very low um i feel it too and i get like irritable

3:00:51Luke Lafreniere:i get like cranky yeah and i'll be like wait i haven't like played badminton in two weeks like

3:00:56Linus Sebastian:i haven't done anything the most zen i will literally ever be is if i have a genuinely maximum effort leg workout on the drive home i don't think i will ever be more calm than like in that moment i'm so relaxed it's it's actually wild um elemental exposure asks

3:01:19Luke Lafreniere:shuttle versus birdie so the official term is shuttlecock um in a lot of the western world people don't really like the whole cock thing so we call it a shuttle and filthy casuals call it a birdie You're welcome. So if you said birdie, I would assume you mean like a plastic one, you know? Yeah, honestly, that makes sense to me. When Bingo Chronified says, I say we call it a shuttle dick. You know what? I could get on board. You want to smack the dick around? You should make it so that the, like, foamy wiper is like... So if I go to feed Yvonne, I'll be feeding her.

3:02:07Linus Sebastian:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, sounds good. Should I read the next one? Sure. Okay. Where do you see car automation going in the future? Will there eventually be a government-led open source software that all cars will have so they can communicate with each other on the road?

3:02:27Luke Lafreniere:I mean, that's a pretty cool utopian dream, but I don't know if it's compatible with the current sort of capitalistic structure that we live in.

3:02:41Linus Sebastian:Yeah, Charged Nuclei in flow plane chat just said, ha ha ha ha ha, and I think it was in response to this.

3:02:50Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I mean, government controlled and open source already sounds like it's not going to be a thing. all cars communicating on the road sounds like it's not going to be a thing that would just be rife with potential for abuse i i would love cars to have like transponders or something like that that give each other situational awareness of the actions that they're taking and the actions they intend to take um i'd love to see like an open framework for that that allows interoperation excuse me i don't know who is going to be motivated to drive it though pun intended

3:03:27Luke Lafreniere:uh next merch merch message hold on br jedi sold on hold on br jedi says government controlled dot dot dot utopia well yeah but that's the whole point is that in a utopia you would have a benevolent government that would do stuff like this but like that's why we said ha ha ha ha ha Come on, man.

3:03:54Linus Sebastian:Hey, WAN.DLL, I triggered the paint rant a few days ago when I made my first purchase. A few years ago. Right. Yeah, anything new Linus wants to rant about?

3:04:06Luke Lafreniere:I mean, we just did our Tech Gripes video. I don't know if I have the energy to rant right now. My lips hurt. But hey, thanks for your purchase. Enjoy your style blue. whatever it is that you bought oh three items uh oh precision multi-bit screwdriver and bit case um and a jerry rig razor knife okay what is that but that style blue how does that make any sense oh for the thing on there that was their message yes yep that makes sense i had to look for it for

3:04:38Linus Sebastian:a sec uh okay there it is blue style nice most esteemed dananite order humbly requesting an update on the sacred bike also at Linus visiting Vancouver in September and he must ride roads for a loyal two-wheeled pilgrim. Okay, thanks.

3:05:02Luke Lafreniere:I am going to

3:05:10Luke Lafreniere:I am not going to ride in July. Oh. I reached out. I said, hey, on Wednesday actually, I reached out. Are we still on track for me to ride this month and buddy has not been feeling well so i basically said don't worry man at this point the delay is 96 on me so i don't want you to lose any sleep over it um so i'll get it when i get it more than 96 yes you know what i've had enough of your i've had enough of your crap

3:05:36Linus Sebastian:the fact that he stored it in his place this whole time is wild

3:05:43Linus Sebastian:but all right um uh next person message from zhi chow oh hopefully i said that right um how's the new door lock working for you the wireless charging seems like quite interesting for me

3:05:59Luke Lafreniere:to consider it for my future smart lock i really like it so far it is a door lock but smart and wirelessly charges it does exactly what it says on the tin i actually didn't know that that video was up yet i wonder how it's doing i i have no idea what people's appetite is for like a expense ludicrously expensive door lock apparently pretty good it's a two out of ten for the channel that's hilarious i mean i guess it's i guess it's it's a good title i waited seven years for a zero battery smart lock which i did that company i first saw them at computex and then we first collaborated with them seven years ago they actually flew out here and showed us their technology it's a infrared wireless power transmission and it's it's super cool uh why charge and we actually talked about them on wan show a little while ago which was what prompted them to reach out and offer to send this door lock over because luke and i were talking about them and i was like do they still exist like did they did they make it or what and they were they emailed me.

3:07:06Luke Lafreniere:They're like, we very much have survived. Thank you for mentioning us. Also, are you interested in checking out any of our new stuff? Pretty cool.

3:07:19Linus Sebastian:Alright, next one. I'm not necessarily sure what this means, so hopefully Linus knows. Hey LLD, could Linus touch in more detail about the all-sales final thing? Don't know what that is. Is the mystery screwdriver bought for Lime Day still under warranty? it would be great to see the power outlet in the US as well.

3:07:39Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, all sales final doesn't mean that you have no warranty necessarily. It means that you can't like just change your mind and be like, oh yeah, I don't want it anymore. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Unless you're talking about like the B stock stuff. Like if you're just like, oh yeah, I, you know, I didn't realize that this used item was going to have a little scuff on it

3:08:09Luke Lafreniere:then it definitely wouldn't cover that. Hold on a second though I just want to check something it is possible that some of the used like new pictures contain oh wait no I don't know what you're asking here because it's explicit on these items power outlet purchases are final no returns exchanges warranty they are what they are so there you go pictures contain examples of cosmetic wear read the fine print questions please read our faq what is the power outlet returned and like new gear available at reduced prices while supplies last it is only available to consumers residing in whatever can they be returned or exchanged no no exceptions meaning refunds and exchanges will not be granted for these products there we go i'm glad we got a very very clear answer for you they are sold as is and are excluded from warranty coverage you're buying these things for a fraction of the price in some cases for a fraction of what we paid for them so it is what it is and enjoy the deal uh would be great to see the power outlet in the u.s as well um yeah it would but i don't know when if ever that'll happen because i don't even know if a lot of stuff gets returned anymore i think there's been kind of a sea change in in e-commerce um where things that ultimately are not able to be delivered just end up being destroyed rather than being returned to us in many cases so i don't even know how much how many returns we're going to get these days but you know if it happens it happens and it'll be a good deal for people who don't mind buying something final sale interesting

3:09:50Linus Sebastian:um okay hi lunas like and lan when our bonus bin items coming back i was looking forward to getting a sticker sheet or a pin the shoelaces would also be cool um we are looking at the

3:10:05Luke Lafreniere:bonus bin and trying to get some stuff going on we've been extremely bogged down with just global logistics being an absolute show um with like tariff stuff and everybody and their dog trying to mass import stuff before tariff stuff but then tariff stuff goes away and like we've had less bandwidth for the things that we want to do to delight our customers and because we've had to waste so much of it on just horse so we're not the only ones that are feeling it so i'm not asking for anyone to like feel bad for us or whatever we're just you're you're seeing the cracks form.

3:10:49Linus Sebastian:I'm just going to read the next one anyways. I feel like it's easier this way. Luke, I used to play Pogo or Pokemon Go, but don't have the community anymore. Instead, I've started birding. I get walking, I get community, and I find critters without the screen. Have you ever thought about trying birding? Not so much. Being a bird person of sorts, I do enjoy seeing birds when I'm out, but I have not thought of going birding. Something that I do these days with Pokemon Go to look at the screen less is I got those, what is it called again? Pokemon Go Plus Plus. So you don't even have to have your phone unlocked.

3:11:28Linus Sebastian:You can have it locked in your pocket and either the thing will try to catch stuff automatically for you or you can press the button on it and it'll like buzz if it detects something. and if you press a button, it'll throw a better ball at it. So sometimes I'll do that so I can go to a community event and never actually even look at my phone and then just walk around the whole time without doing this, which sounds a lot better. It feels nicer on my neck. I will inadvertently do things like notice birds more and stuff like that. That defeats the purpose of Pokemon Go. No, it doesn't because the thing will buzz twice, detecting that something is there.

3:12:07Linus Sebastian:you press the button and then it will uh attempt to catch it'll go like just like the pokeball going and then be like oh you got your pokemon it will it will do buzzes that mimic that but if you get it then it'll go like so it indicates that you got it um and it'll do the attempting to catch thing but if it fails it'll go so you know that you failed and when you're out at a community day it's usually the same pokemon every single time so you don't need to see it on your screen and there's a bunch of the the hyper nerds that are out playing that are doing i think it's called speed catching or something and they barely even see this stuff anyways so like i i don't see a difference personally and i am not playing that game i have said this before i think pokemon go is actually a very bad game the only reason why i like it is because it gets me outside and this is an evolution that gets me outside and looking at my screen less what a banger that sounds great to me i don't like the actual gameplay of pokemon go is so bad the pvp is terrible the pve is terrible um yeah the the gameplay sucks anyways so why do i care um if i'm if i'm getting little dopamine hits from walking because my thing is buzzing like look you caught the thing that is going around right now or whatever um then sweet i'm accomplishing the same thing my brain is happy because i'm playing a video game but i'm playing a video game without looking at a screen which is sick i have personally found a way to gamify this in a way that benefits me heavily and i enjoy therefore i think cool there you go

3:13:59Linus Sebastian:you look at your Pokemon when you get back I will search for four star and if I don't find any I transfer all of them so it takes me like seconds I don't care I think that's oh there's there's an incoming but there's no more curated

3:14:24Luke Lafreniere:um i'm already forwarding that incoming to the relevant parties i don't know if we're going to be able to fix their issue in time they ordered the wrong size for a power outlet item and they want it changed to the right size before it ships it's possible that we'll be able to catch it before it shifts ships and just give you a refund but i don't know if we'll be able to like change it like The whole thing with Power Outlet is it's all sales final. See you later. So we might be able to catch it and cancel it, but I don't know if we'll be able to change it to something else that might go out of stock before we're able to look at it.

3:15:03Luke Lafreniere:It's 9 p.m. on Friday, and the warehouse during heavy times like Lime Day is sometimes packing things over the weekend when our customer service is not in office. So I don't know if I can promise you.

3:15:20Linus Sebastian:I want to throw out another gamer move that you can do with Pokemon Go. Because I think, man, I've said this forever. I think a lot of people play games incorrectly. They only go for the incentives that the game tells them to go for. They don't do things beyond that. They don't find their own ways to create difficulties. They don't find their own ways to have fun. They just follow the byline or they follow the achievements that the game lays out or whatever else. And Pokemon Go is one of those. Pokemon has a not very popular feature called routes. But a route could be like a trail that you can walk.

3:15:52Linus Sebastian:And when you get to the end, it gives you an extremely minor reward, which is why it's not popular. But if you don't care about the reward so much, and you do it because there's at least a little bit of reward, while you walk along the route, there's a slightly increased Pokemon spawn along the route while you're doing it. So you can literally go for a little hike. You can go with someone else, whatever. And you don't have to be actually distracted conversationally or anything or be staring at your phone because you can just press the little button or just let it go off in your pocket automatically and you're literally not interacting with it at all.

3:16:25Linus Sebastian:And you can still have your little goopy goblin gamer brain gaining little goopy goblin gamer brain little bonus nugget things and be out walking, enjoying nature, head up, not staring at screen, potentially conversating with another person. It's freaking sick. Don't just do what the game wants you to do. Do the thing that you want to do and have fun with.

3:16:48Luke Lafreniere:cool nice all right well that's it for the land show oh my mouth's sore i didn't talk for a little bit there and the braces got all like stuck into the like ragged flesh inside my lips uh we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel what a visual bye

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