You Should Own Your Games - WAN Show July 4, 2025

14:59Luke Lafreniere:could even potentially task the community with doing that you could be like here's all the stuff that's not licensed like we we realistically you know we're we're insolvent now you know like we're not we don't have the we don't have the means to do anything with this anymore but yeah here's the documentation you guys are responsible for your own legal minefield you have to remove any licensed music and replace it with something else to me i'm okay with i don't know how that necessarily works legally but it seems fine to me i don't think you can legislate companies working on something in perpetuity yeah you can't do that yeah but what you can do is you can create an expectation that they will hand over in some semblance of working order the materials that are needed to continue the work if there is someone who is willing to take it on

15:53Linus Sebastian:i don't think they can even hand over the music it needs to be removed beforehand that's easy to do

15:57Luke Lafreniere:and besides i don't think i i don't even know i don't even know if i i don't even know if i would buy that because realistically the the the ownership the right to use music comes down to licensing anyway like i could hand you a cd and that wouldn't be a license to include it in a game so like if if i handed you a file pack i am not handing you a license to use it in a game i'm

16:24Linus Sebastian:just like it's it's ones and zeros distributing the music you are but we are not legal people we're not going to figure this out yeah no but but you're

16:37Luke Lafreniere:distributing it with a set of terms that prohibit actually using it for anything yeah like i i don't know that's that's that's a tough question that's for the legal people to figure out and i you know appreciate their hard work but i my point doesn't change that i don't think this is insurmountable um our other question is i know you guys are boomers and play old games but are there any games that have been shut down that have impacted your social circle i already know luke's answer

17:06Linus Sebastian:oh i you probably do yeah just when wow went to yeah like that's a that's an even more interesting question because that's a version of a game that is still running yeah that's a that's a tougher one that gets really tough um i don't think there's any recourse there the community forced

17:24Luke Lafreniere:that too you mean bringing back wow classic yeah but then didn't wow classic like evolve and then

17:31Linus Sebastian:is like not wow classic anymore yeah no so no what i mean is like nostalrius back in the day and nostalrius is the most well-known one but there's a ton of private servers for wow sure not just nostalrius and there still are private servers for wow ton many of them um the community forced that they like rebuilt boss mechanics and stuff that they didn't have because they had to build like the server side of it and it's honestly extremely impressive um that was just out of like an immense amount of community um attention i guess but there is yeah there's still the original classic wow branch that blizzard made but it's still going and it's way past classic wow now and then there's like some other versions i don't know all of them there's a hardcore one where if you die your character's done and there's one i think called season of mastery where they like change a bunch of stuff i don't i don't know if many people are into that and then there's rumors of them making what they're calling classic plus now which is a whole other thing um but yeah like games that iterate everquest wow all these old mmos like it's really interesting because where does that argument stop because it might not even be within an expansion might be a patch

18:43Luke Lafreniere:within an expansion yeah so like a state of a game yeah like i mean okay here's a here's a perfect example of a game that you know there wouldn't be any kind of stop killing games impact on but they've absolutely made a change to it that has killed our ability to enjoy it uh tape to tape that's an early access game i have good news for you okay that's an early access game right now that they moved away from time-based game lengths to just first to reach a certain number of goals. It's a hockey game. And Luke was so upset by this change to the gameplay that I actually reached out to the lead developer, or lead designer, I guess is technically his title, and I advocated on your behalf, and mine as well.

19:34Luke Lafreniere:I agree that a hockey game is determined by the clock, not by how many, you know, who reaches the threshold number of goals.

19:41Linus Sebastian:The good old hockey game is three periods.

19:42Luke Lafreniere:Three periods. And there is now a dropdown. Which, totally cool. In the pre-alpha branch. So you can select your difficulty and you can select first to a certain number of goals or time-based.

19:55Linus Sebastian:Which is because maybe some people will like that very weird version of first to three goals. Maybe some people are into that. Cool.

20:02Luke Lafreniere:I don't if it's an option I'm totally down yeah so it's we're back baby I looked today and it's in nice it's in the pre-alpha branch so cool that's good yeah very cool very cool um but yeah

20:16Linus Sebastian:it gets you know but yeah stop killing games wouldn't do anything about that because like everyone is mad about classic wow but it's still technically I don't know what expansion they're even on now but like the main branch is still technically there it never technically went away the game was technically never killed it was never killed it was just expanded upon for decades so

20:36Luke Lafreniere:this is a this is a tough this is going to be a tough thing to tackle because there's absolutely practical challenges like we've outlined already not being able to legislate maintaining software forever not being able to legislate never patching in or out functionality like that's something that they could do to get around this pretty easily is they could just patch out multiplayer yeah

21:02Linus Sebastian:okay well that we didn't kill the game we patched the game down to a like you open a door and then the game is over it's it's it's now long it's no longer multiplayer it is single player and it shows the game uh you open one door and then the game ends and it says congratulations your speed run time is you know x or whatever and we have given the files out to the community to run this

21:24Luke Lafreniere:game so there's there's absolutely ways around this that we'd have to kind of try to to brainstorm all the sneaky ideas that executives and publishers might have to get around it but it's a tough problem i'm happy someone's trying to address it yes at least this is a step and i'm really glad to see that it's got the momentum that it does even if there are some voices within formerly of the industry that are speaking out against it because of some of these practical challenges around crafting this legislation and then ultimately enforcing it what do you want to

22:00Linus Sebastian:talk about next um well what's our headline not really our headline topic but what our main topic apple really wants you to see the f1 wants you to see f1 the movie yeah in an excellent piece published on thestar.com.my? Sure. Sure. .com.my. Yep. Don't worry about it. Jason Aten. Aten? Aten? Sure. Jason. Yeah. Discusses what he thinks is Apple's most important product, trust, and how Apple violated customers' trust with the recent push notifications sent to US iPhone users through the Wallet app, offering them a$10 discount on tickets for F1, the movie.

22:45Luke Lafreniere:I mean, I have talked about this a fair bit, but it always rings quite hypocritical to me. I don't like that. When Apple criticizes their competitors for being ad platforms, when Apple is taking their very operating system and behaving no different from when Microsoft integrated OneDrive that bothers you to subscribe to it, or put stupid candy crush in the stupid start menu. This is what Apple would criticize anyone else for doing on any other timeline. So Atten opines that Apple's entire brand is that it is not like other tech companies. Yes, their products are expensive, but in exchange for the larger bill at the checkout, you get a better user experience in an ecosystem that at least claims to prioritize privacy and security over mining and monetizing your data.

23:45Luke Lafreniere:He says that when Apple uses an app most associated with security and trust to advertise to its users, it crosses a line. TechCrunch reported on widespread social media complaints about the promotion and noted that a new offers and promotion setting for iOS 26's wallet app suggests that Apple plans to push more marketing through the app in the future. The push notification, this is funny, is actually in violation of Apple's own App Store guidelines. Guideline 4.5.4 states that push notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app's UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out of receiving such messages.

24:37Luke Lafreniere:So Jason goes on to say, A company that has spent years telling the world that privacy is a fundamental human right, a company that famously took on Facebook and limited how apps can track users across other apps and websites, just used its own system-level app to send out marketing content that users didn't ask for and couldn't opt out of. That's not a great look. How much money did they get for this? Well, I don't think it's so much about how much money they got. I think it's more about how much money they spent. Like this is an Apple TV production.

25:10Linus Sebastian:Oh.

25:12Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. I see. Our discussion question is, but at least that U2 album was awesome, right? Says Jordan. So this is actually not the first time that Apple has just brazenly used their platform for marketing. What is this website? I'm sorry. Apple TV is buying the TV rights in the US for F1. Sorry, sorry. That's the affiliation. Thank you. Thank you, J. Brad.

25:43Linus Sebastian:What is it? This is the star.com.my website is a mess. Yeah, don't worry about it.

25:50Luke Lafreniere:It's a good take either way. Okay, cool. Let's not worry too much about that for now. All right. So I guess the question here is, are we really surprised i mean apple's hypocrisy has been on full display for so long and i know that this really this really rubs a lot of apple fans the wrong way whenever i point it out but like apple's whole thing with their whole like sub site on apple.com about all their sustainability while at the same time in their other hand they're either facilitating or explicitly enforcing the bricking of perfectly functional devices like apple's whole holier than now thing around user privacy and security while operating data centers that are effectively under the control of the chinese government for their chinese users like can we please please stop pretending that apple is anything other than an equally soulless and heartless corporation like any other please Don't fall for the branding.

26:59Luke Lafreniere:That's all I ask. And when, yeah, and when Apple rubs me the wrong way over this stuff, a big part of it is honestly not that they're behaving any different. This is honestly not any worse than, you know, Samsung promoting their crap to me on my Samsung phone or Google promoting their crap to me on my Google phone. The difference is that those guys, for the most part, just kind of own it. Google's like, yep, we're an advertising company. Whereas Apple sits there and just blows smoke up their own asshole about how amazing they are and how much they care about this stuff. No, you don't. When the rubber hits the road, you guys will sell us out as fast as anyone else.

27:44Luke Lafreniere:And here's the proof in F1. Okay, rubber hits the road didn't quite work there, but the F1 thing. You know what? I'm standing by it. Rubber.

27:54Linus Sebastian:one of my problems that i'm having is like people in some people in flow plane chad and some places that i'm others i'm seeing elsewhere i think this directly ties into what you were kind of just talking about but um people are like oh but it's good though it's like man you can't that doesn't work because what if the next one's not good well yeah

28:17Luke Lafreniere:kavi says except for linus media group incorporated they have a soul right no i'd like to think that some of the people who work here have a soul but the company itself i'd like to think that influential people who work here have a soul and care but as soon as you go public you are beholden to your shareholders and in that case your shareholders are in it for literally one thing like in in our case our primary shareholder that's me has to get out here every week and talk to you guys directly and you guys talk to me directly sometimes very direct minus we need to talk okay yeah that video you did on the lawnmower today didn't enjoy it actually actually for uh for just like a friday showcase people seem to be kind of into the lawnmower video today they said it's a lot better than the pool robot one we did so we we we want land robot not water robot.

29:14Luke Lafreniere:The point is, the point I'm making is that we have a two-way dialogue and there is an actual ability potentially at least to make your voice heard and that may actually affect change. And we did take a lot of the feedback from that pool robot video and integrate it into making a better lawn robot video this time. Was it still just a sponsored showcase that we put in our Friday time slot where it's ultimately going to get stomped on by WAN show and we know it's not going to perform very well? You better believe it. But, hey, we're able to have this conversation and we're able to make it as best of that as it could possibly be.

29:50Luke Lafreniere:Whereas with a publicly traded company, like at the end of the day, the people with the influential voice are going to be the shareholders that are able to exert power over the board of directors and the executive team. That's it. Your voice doesn't actually matter. And if Apple sees that in spite of people being upset about this, that a whole bunch more people go to see F1 the movie and they ultimately get a bunch of kickback from it, they're just going to do it again.

30:21Luke Lafreniere:So, no, we don't have a soul. And no, you shouldn't just implicitly, you know, believe that we have your best interest at heart at the end of the day. We are a corporation like any other. But I also think that being a smaller company, not a publicly traded company, not having investors who are purely in it to extract as much value as possible over as fast a timeline as possible. I do think that that makes smaller companies a little different. Maybe we even think different.

30:55Linus Sebastian:Maybe we are Apple. Okay. I genuinely really miss the old taglines. Like, Intel inside was really good. What even is Intel's current one? Is it still Intel inside? I don't think so. I legitimately don't even know. But this is a... I can think of... There's one company that I really like their tagline, and then they changed it, and I kept saying their old one, and then they got mad at us. Build it beautiful. It was so much better! What is it now? I don't know. Who cares? Once you get one that's really good and everyone likes,

31:31Luke Lafreniere:you should probably just keep it is this just nostalgia glasses though do you are you just a boomer who remembers beautiful was good who remembers things the way they liked it until inside was good think different was good what is apples now what's ours i don't think we

31:49Linus Sebastian:have one maybe we should ignited passion for technology okay that's on our mission statement that's not it though yeah that's not it light things on fire

32:02Luke Lafreniere:dude when i did that interview and talked about sort of how we see our role in the tech space as like going around and like starting little fires and like seeing what burns you know what i was thinking was ignite passion for technology but the context around the events that happened at that time with the California wildfires.

32:25Linus Sebastian:Oh no.

32:25Luke Lafreniere:And the fact that I was down in California.

32:28Linus Sebastian:Oh no.

32:29Luke Lafreniere:And the timing of the release of the video. Like the wildfires hadn't happened yet when I used that analogy. Yeah. So maybe we... Sometimes doing stuff in public is hard. Yeah, how about we sprout passion for technology? We'll change it. Sure. Sprout it.

32:48Linus Sebastian:It sounds more convenient. Impregnate it.

32:50Luke Lafreniere:Oh.

32:51Linus Sebastian:impregnate passion yeah that plant seeds of passion yeah deep seeds like from alien burst out of your chest um cool

33:12Luke Lafreniere:uh what are we is something that speaking of fires is something on fire uh somewhat i got it though it's fine. He's doing great. Why don't we jump into whatever we're supposed to be doing next? We could do another topic, or we could do some merch messages. Have some merch messages if Luke's doing his job instead of his job. Whoa. Oh, interesting. Okay, sure. Merch messages are the way to interact with the show. We've actually got... Where'd it go? There it is. We've got a really exciting new product on the store right now. It is our transparent edition of the LTT screwdriver. it's every bit the LTT screwdriver that you already know and love but now it's clear so you can see the bits like this and you can even see them when they're in there like that you can even see the ratchet mechanism moving around in there a little bit as it click click click click click and makes it satisfying noises so now is a perfect time just like Jacob S to pick up one of these by sending in a merch message merch messages go to producer Dan who will either reply to them himself forward them internally for someone else to address or curate them for me and luke all you got to do to send a merch message is go to lttstore.com add something to your cart like hey say for example this or the transparent collection that's a cool hoodie that actually has my dental records on it because we are absolutely unhinged people uh what else we got you could add oh the new Hydrophase Swim Shorts from our Touch Sand collection.

34:48Luke Lafreniere:Just add something to your cart, and whenever we're live, you will see a box for a merch message. Dan, do you want to show the peoples how it works? Sure thing. I've got one here from Alyssa. Linus, I have an Epson Home Cinema 4010 Pro UHD. Saw the Valerian Pro 2 video. Specs beat mine on paper. I thought that short throws were worse than traditional projectors. What am I missing? Is it worth switching for? So I'd say traditional viewpoint is that short throws were worse because you could have more distortion because of the optics that are needed to create such a large image over such a short distance and how much you have to kind of stretch it in order to do that and just the angle of the light in the wall and all that.

35:32Luke Lafreniere:But with that said, optics is an area of technological advancement over the last like 10 to 20 years that honestly probably has not gotten enough attention. It's one of those things where like people often in person, people thinking they're going to get an unexpected answer will ask me things like, you know, what's the most exciting change in technology you've seen over your career? and the answer that i invariably give because i genuinely believe this uh is one that they they don't expect so nobody comes away disappointed but i think it's actually in lighting um think about what has transpired in the time our company has existed in lighting like cinema lighting technology also just the expense even the kino float like what has scaled simultaneously simultaneously in quality like lighting and in cost like lighting in the time that our company has existed name something that is not what i would have expected our kinoflow diva lights were these quad fluorescent tube light things that had this cheap shoddy like corrugated plastic flap system on them they were freaking heavy they were ridiculously expensive very expensive they like sucked uh they weren't very bright and they had absolutely no capacity for adjusting them uh in terms of their um their color temperature they just like were what they were they were whatever fluorescent tubes you put in them nowadays dude companies like aperture you for like a few hundred bucks you can get lights that are ludicrously bright like you can run your entire set off a single circuit instead of having to you know have flipping like one halogen light that has to run off a cable from way the frick that set over there and then like a bunch of other ones for the back that can run on this circuit you need like three circuits to light your stupid set you can run an entire set off of a single circuit you can make all these fancy adjustments to your color temperature and your brightness it's super granular it's all like wirelessly controlled and relatively simple to integrate compared to what things were like back when we started um man what we paid for our uh flipping uh well the rgb lights dan that our first ones the blue ones sky sky panels or the titan tubes or something like that oh dude titan tubes are so expensive dude but now you can now you can get like off-brand ones that are like way cheaper they're like battery powered you could stick a light anywhere you want and just as powerful and they're and they're awesome but like our our first sky panels those are from ari which tells you everything you need to know about how much they cost and like i was like oh this is so cool because they had modes for uh like firelight flickering and modes for like old school black and white tv so you could have it like off camera and it could like cast kind of like sometimes a little bit more black sometimes a bit more white i think some just a cop car they had cop car i

38:42Linus Sebastian:I think some people aren't recognizing that you are talking chronologically. Yeah. Because I got a comment that are like, oh, this thing is much better than the Kino Flow. The Kino Flow that we bought was 15 years ago. Yeah.

38:55Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. That's the point. Yeah. Is the Kino Flow sucked back then. But that was like the go-to like decent kind of affordable light. It was like five grand or something like that.

39:06Linus Sebastian:Almost every YouTuber that was heavily investing in their camera setups at that time that I knew. had Kino Flows.

39:13Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. And like, dude, by comparison, I could buy some stupid little like LED array on AliExpress and a little bit of like diffusion paper or something. And I could get better lighting results out of that for like 20 bucks than that Kino Flow from like 13 years ago or whenever we bought it. Even the lights that are behind you now, those tiny little square things, they are so bright. They're IP65 waterproof. They're LED. They're RGB. They're taped to the floor. Yes, you can't move them because people bump into them. Dude, and the little battery-powered ones you can put on your camera? Like, those existed 10 years ago.

39:51Luke Lafreniere:They were kind of rough. But they were pretty bad. They weren't bright. They were expensive. The battery life sucked. Like, I remember we'd have to, oh man, we'd have to, like, micromanage, like, our mic pack batteries and our camera batteries. That was a lot. Stupid battery for the little thing. Nowadays, it's so easy to build a nice rig with just, like, one battery that, like, daisy chains across to everything. um no no i dude oh man smash champs smash champs is another great example of this um hold on i'm gonna i'm gonna just bring this up do you have any flipping idea what the lighting here would have cost me just like 15 years ago i think one of the reasons why this is probably

40:33Linus Sebastian:so surprising for people is because house lighting premium house lighting is still really expensive and honestly i don't know why house lighting for leds looks kind of poo uh hold

40:47Luke Lafreniere:on where's that where's a better shot that shows okay so here is that a video why do i keep clicking videos can i just click something that's not a video here we go is this a video there it's not a video okay perfect okay they're not actually on this is absolutely genius here we go finally okay okay cool so um this lighting setup here was inspired by a lighting setup that i saw in a hall in taiwan like almost 10 years ago now i think and they had these really cool fixtures they were basically giant rectangular prisms that had that were like a like diffuse uh like matte white prisms that were suspended across the entire hall kind of like this um and it was less janky because they didn't have all these stupid like ready rods and aircraft cable and stuff like they were really nice architectural design as opposed to our functional design and um ever since i played there i i knew i wanted that for my ideal lighting because it brings the lights down closer to the court and the closer the light is the less bright it needs to be and therefore the less dazzling it is whenever you accidentally look directly into the light which inevitably will happen when there's a moving projectile that could be coming from anywhere to anywhere on the surface um to do something like that back in the day good lord they were so bright crazy yeah you would it would have had to have been full of either incandescent or ccfl light sources you'd be losing a bunch of it to the to the diffusion layer nowadays do you know how we made these these are just like your typical four by two office light panels and then they're just on an angle yeah they're just mounted to like this uh this aluminum structure here is there a diffusion

42:43Linus Sebastian:layer on there in addition to the standard no that's just built in yeah because it looks good it's just built in it looks like way better they've got little color temperature switches on

42:52Luke Lafreniere:them so you can just decide what color temperature you want and look at this you can actually really telling the picture that the consistency is really good oh yeah like even when it feels like that when you're there too even when led panels got somewhat affordable like i don't know what five years ago 10 years ago the cri of them sucked and the consistency was all over the place nowadays you can just buy commodity stuff like these weren't even expensive i mean buy enough of them and anything's expensive. But relatively speaking, they weren't even expensive and they're just outstanding. And so, yeah, I can't think of anything in the technology space that has come down in price and up in quality like LED lighting.

43:40Linus Sebastian:And I got to caveat this with, I'm going to say health things and you're watching a tech podcast. So don't yell at me. Just look it up. A lime a day keeps your lover away. um i was trying to pick some i like that one uh but yeah i've heard meanwhile in homes i've heard that things like the very very white light that we're getting from modern leds and stuff is like bad for you because of circadian rhythm things and stuff like that oh like the color temperature

44:09Luke Lafreniere:that we yeah that we set everything to cri i think something they're not very full spectrum

44:14Linus Sebastian:no i'm not i'm not very up on top of this but and then like actually nice lighting for your home is really expensive still. So it hasn't, the like consumer space hasn't really followed the exact same trend in my experience.

44:27Luke Lafreniere:Oh, as like the production space and the commercial space. Well, maybe it's just different incentives, right? Like on the production space, in the production space, everything comes down to like, yeah, why? Yeah, I mean, I guess just - My understanding is like LED technology just misses a whole bunch of wavelengths. And then you get something like the China ball that's above us, which is a full spectrum, proper real light, they have to do a lot of work. Right. Interesting. That's my understanding. Please feel free to correct me, but high CRI and full spectrum bulbs are way easier to do in the day.

45:06Luke Lafreniere:And I guess what's driving the innovation there that allows them to do that in the production space is a combination. Like you've got the volume to invest in building a really good LED light, which obviously you would have in like a home setting as well. You have the volume, but in a production space, you also have people willing to pay at least some premium. Whereas I don't know about you, but for me, when I'm like buying a light bulb to put in a fixture in my house, I'm not paying like extra. and it's cheaper because you don't have to care so we really have to care that's interesting

45:49Linus Sebastian:and the flicker free stuff

45:51Luke Lafreniere:like your LEDs can blink in your home

45:53Linus Sebastian:that's apparently a huge problem you can't perceptively tell that they're blinking but it's like bad for you for some reason again like please yeah who knows

46:02Luke Lafreniere:I did make sure these don't flicker

46:05Linus Sebastian:do you want to press the thing oh yeah I could do that there you go there we go i don't know look it up if you care but uh there's there's a lot of stuff

46:16Luke Lafreniere:going on with lighting yeah i made sure these don't flicker because we want to be able to record in slow-mo at some point and i didn't want that to be a problem so so and it was not that hard to find just commodity office lights that just to go in a drop ceiling that don't flicker it was just it blew my mind that never used to be a thing yeah i know right like impossible i know right yeah so the quality just keeps getting it gets and it's happening so fast like even five years ago when we were looking for lights like for the office it was freaking impossible to find anything that like brandon wouldn't lose his shit if we installed and like didn't have also proper filming lights in addition to them whereas like nowadays we could just huck these in the office and turn on a camera like incredible pretty i think the ones we put in the labs like the drop in ceiling ones pretty high cri yep pretty decent super dimmable yeah yeah top gear in full planchette

47:14Linus Sebastian:is calling it pwm flicker um yeah that's that's right but yeah like the the old ones would just kind of glow oh incandescence yeah yeah so there you didn't have the flicker problem well they ran

47:24Luke Lafreniere:off they ran directly off of ac so theoretically they should flicker but because you were just heating up an element, it wouldn't cool down enough in between the cycles for it to be a problem. So it wasn't until we started doing things digitally that we were like, oh, whoops. And anytime you had a dimmable bulb, they just, oh man, did they ever suck in the early days.

47:48Linus Sebastian:Emily Shebang has said, in Flowplane chat, said, I'm autistic, terrible sensory issues, and can see the tiniest micro flicker possible, and it's triggered my seizures. yeah so flicker is bad and apparently it affects at least some people people that don't have those problems no i as far as uh as as far as i have heard it's like technically bad for all of us to a certain degree um i don't know was that one merch message yes good lord i'm either really

48:20Luke Lafreniere:good at this or really bad at it um thank you for sending a nice merch message depends what we're trying to accomplish okay yeah yeah go for it dan um why don't we do a second one and then

48:30Linus Sebastian:we'll get into the saw stuff sure um let's see good day tall slightly shorter and short why is my download speed in australia so slow i've noticed over in northern america speeds are two to three times faster very jealous cheers how tall are you dad six foot two or sorry sorry five foot fourteen get out I can't

48:58Luke Lafreniere:out my head

49:02Luke Lafreniere:oh hold on the female audience in float plane chat says yes and you never answered it it was about projectors oh these days I would say you can get a short throw with relatively low distortion however I will say that compared to an ultra short throw the higher end cinema models do still tend to be um short throw or like normal-ish throw lengths and those tend to be the higher quality models that have features like lens shift that make it much easier to get perfect alignment uh etc etc so and they're like just giant bulbs right there you go okay sorry uh what was the new one uh yes Why is the internet slow in Australia?

49:48Luke Lafreniere:Because you're a penal colony and nobody cares about you. I'm glad somebody said it. The actual reason is the ocean. Because there's limited tubes.

50:07Linus Sebastian:What they call it,

50:08Luke Lafreniere:the internet is not a big lorry.

50:10Linus Sebastian:Well, now everybody's cutting them. That doesn't help.

50:13Luke Lafreniere:Those darn sharks. Willie's not helping. Way to go, China.

50:22All right.

50:23Linus Sebastian:What are we doing now?

50:24Luke Lafreniere:Do you want to do the game? Do you want to do another topic and then the game? I guess we should probably do the game, which I just lost, and so did all of you. Aww.

50:36Luke Lafreniere:Aww.

50:42Luke Lafreniere:Okay, so I was handed this backpack ahead of the show. Don't open the backpack just yet. Yeah, I'm supposed to not see or something?

50:49Linus Sebastian:I put the talk away. Close your eyes.

50:53Luke Lafreniere:Turn 360 degrees and walk away. One commuter backpack. Okay. That's an old reference. It still checks out. I get it. Vintage. Okay, now what? Read the thing. Oh, wait. I have to close my eyes? No, I close my eyes. Oh, he closes his eyes. My eyes are closed. Let's play a game. Lime Day. You don't have to. You don't have to close your eyes. I don't? Me? Yeah, no, just close the dock. It's fine. Okay. Lime Day, our annual sales event where we squeeze our margins and bring you sweet deals, is happening next week, starting Wednesday, July 9th. But instead of just listing out the deals you can expect, we thought it'd be fun to play a little game.

51:38Luke Lafreniere:Luke. Yes. We're going to show you five different items that are going to be on sale or in a bundle during Lime Day. Okay. You have one guess to figure out what each item is. But here's the catch. The picture is going to be very zoomed in. Oh! Oh! And if you don't get at least three out of five, you have to take a bite out of this lime. Oh. But if you do get three out of five, Linus has to? I take a bite out of the lime.

52:10Linus Sebastian:Let's go! Alright. I don't think I'll mind taking the bite out of the lime so hopefully with skin i with skin i mean i would assume so yeah just chomping oh right inside of it do you have to consume the whole thing no just take a take a

52:25Luke Lafreniere:bite i think you have to at least chew three times i'm fine with that i don't know if i want to yeah i don't think you have to swallow okay yeah we don't do we yeah it's not that type of show

52:38Linus Sebastian:not yet wait for after dark yeah really okay all right there's some interesting stuff because like both of our backpacks use reprieve right uh yes so like and then also last year there was stuff in lime day that we don't sell normally so this might be kind of tough how am i supposed to see the things i guess dan it'll it'll pop up on screen okay and then after you get it right or wrong we'll we'll show you the full picture that it was based off of and then we'll show you the item. You ready for number one?

53:10Luke Lafreniere:First item!

53:15Luke Lafreniere:What product is that? I think I'm not gonna eat this line.

53:19Linus Sebastian:Are you actually kidding me? What's number one? Transparent screwdriver. Is that your final answer? Sure. You only get one. Are you ready to see what it is?

53:28Luke Lafreniere:Sure. We have our iconic double wall vacuum sealed water bottle on both our US and global site you will get$15 off our regular price during lime day

53:42Linus Sebastian:do you see it now? sure it's so obvious see that's the outline of the bottle yeah I should have known that wasn't screwdriver so obvious I think there's one in your sack there oh oh right

54:03Luke Lafreniere:that was

54:04Linus Sebastian:That was really hard. Oh, that was the easy one. Oh.

54:09Luke Lafreniere:Okay. Wait. Okay. Okay. So, Dan, you shouldn't show him the thing. I think that's why I have this. I think I'm supposed to show him the thing that's in here. I'm looking at it. I have no idea. Oh. I think it's fine. I actually have two water bottles. Ah. Okay. I guess they wanted me to point out that we have different sizes. That's true. Oh, sorry. I got those wrong. Am I still supposed to not be looking at stuff? Yep. There we go. You can just look up. It's fine. I'm just holding up water bottles. I just don't look at the doc. I had them wrong before now. They're fixed Don't look at the doc and you're fine.

54:39Luke Lafreniere:I've got the text uncovered. I'm not All right Second item right, I did it for item number two and if Luke gets this one wrong He has to get the last three right. Yeah. Are you ready kids? Here we go

55:00Luke Lafreniere:it's so obvious wait okay this one's actually gettable this one's gettable yeah can I look closely at it absolutely not

55:14Linus Sebastian:wait the backpack yeah I don't know you can see the weave on the backpack you can look you can you can can I look at LTT store at the products oh is that allowed Dan I don't know

55:30Luke Lafreniere:that's not against the rules I mean I think we should have a time limit if you're gonna do that because it's gonna take forever no that seems fair it's gonna take forever if you do that that seems fair okay you have to close the chat though get the chat out of here that's fine absolute pumpkin eater over here what uh it's it's Oh

55:56Linus Sebastian:Could it be that?

56:06Linus Sebastian:I'm gonna go with that. Precision screwdriver. Precision screwdriver? Yeah.

56:10Luke Lafreniere:Hold on, wait for it.

56:11Linus Sebastian:I'm not that confident, but I'm gonna go with it. Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh! Oh, really?

56:16Luke Lafreniere:Let's go! Our precision multi-bit screwdriver! Let's go. We're gonna be offering a really sweet deal, where you get a precision screwdriver and bit-set bundle with a free JerryRigEverything knife. Oh cool. So if you get the bundle small tools you get the free knife. Let's go.

56:36Linus Sebastian:That's legit

56:37Luke Lafreniere:All right, hmm number the third well LTG stores up.

56:42Linus Sebastian:That's it. Okay. You ready go for it

56:49Linus Sebastian:What

56:53Luke Lafreniere:What okay, I think this browsing the site is a bit of a hack hey You can't look at the site. Close the site! How did I figure that out?

57:04Linus Sebastian:It makes no sense at all! Just look at it! Just look at it! What? Just look at it! You don't know how to give to. This game sucks! Just look closer.

57:17Luke Lafreniere:Are you kidding me? You don't have to - I'll make it easier. No!

57:21Linus Sebastian:It doesn't make anything easier. Oh my goodness. Just look at it! He's staring at my soul. Oh my goodness. Come on, it's not that hard.

57:32Luke Lafreniere:No, no, no, no, no. He's staring at my soul. Wow. Give me the ding! Yes! Yes! Oh, geez. This is so good. Jeez. Okay. Go for it. Do you give up? No, he can't give up. He has to guess.

57:48Linus Sebastian:I don't think he was in the new swimsuit photos, but it's not going to be a standard shirt. why is this why is that even his hand is that someone else's hand or is that can you zoom in on the hand i don't think this is going to help me in hands there's no way elijah would wear it also looks like it a significant it doesn't look like he's doing this oh my god it looks like it might be someone else's hand so it's a group photo what other things do we have yes it's on the store thanks lttstore.com um

58:22Luke Lafreniere:Um, SofaTux says, learn your product catalog, dork.

58:27Linus Sebastian:It's not even there! It's literally nothing to do with the product is in this phone. Okay, let me, I'm gonna give you a hint. I'm gonna give you a hint. What? No! He has to guess! I think he's just making it smaller. Just, what? There's your hint. Just guess. Okay. There's my hint? is this a real hint or are you just trolling the task jacket alright ready

58:58Luke Lafreniere:oh wait do I not have

59:00Linus Sebastian:oh I don't have to fit in the bag I don't think you have this shirt

59:04Luke Lafreniere:it's a specific shirt it's a blank t-shirt are you kidding

59:11Luke Lafreniere:during lime day you will be able to get four of our blanks for only$60 and that's the price on both the u.s and canadian site four for 60 that's 15 each for our blank no i didn't think you would

59:27Linus Sebastian:stoop so low me to put a specific shirt not you to put a specific it's not a blank it was you

59:39Linus Sebastian:and a blank is a specific shirt no if i have a bunch of them yeah but there are other shirts

59:47Luke Lafreniere:that you sell. Oh, I see what you mean. Okay, okay, okay. Alright. Alright.

59:52Linus Sebastian:Fourth item. You need to get the next two correct. Yeah, like that's gonna happen because you're gonna show me the left side of Linus' head. How about compromise? What product is this? No, no, no.

1:00:01Luke Lafreniere:How about compromise? Compromise. Compromise. On the next one, he can browse the site for one minute. No, he'll be fine. Okay. I am actually on your side here. I appreciate the attention

1:00:17Linus Sebastian:Sammy's here he's got a gun to my head we can't bend the rules

1:00:19Luke Lafreniere:this isn't my segment Sammy does actually

1:00:22Linus Sebastian:have a gun right now it's a little terrifying fourth item I don't know how he got him fourth item okay

1:00:27Luke Lafreniere:well he got them at the gun show yeah you go to the gym you haven't worked now okay this man lifts I think

1:00:39um

1:00:39Linus Sebastian:Artie said he can prowl for two minutes

1:00:41Luke Lafreniere:two minutes yeah

1:00:44Linus Sebastian:you know this one two minutes it's so red I know this one why would I know this one after you threw the lines at the TV oh yeah that's not helpful

1:00:59Luke Lafreniere:it's fine it's perfectly helpful is it actually orange it's on the website apparently

1:01:08Linus Sebastian:it's on the website I guess

1:01:10Luke Lafreniere:allegedly

1:01:11Linus Sebastian:I mean your two minutes is ticking so yeah my brain wants to go to screwdriver because the three lines are in like the the cap thingy but that's on oh it's not on the website it's not a website sorry

1:01:22Luke Lafreniere:what do you mean they can browse they can browse but it's on the website

1:01:27Linus Sebastian:it's a product that isn't on the website apparently

1:01:34Luke Lafreniere:what what okay i'll get your lime ready this is doable this is doable this is doable this is not on the website no but you can use the website to help i'm getting your lime ready you're gonna get punched in the face repeatedly if this isn't on the website

1:01:55Linus Sebastian:it all makes sense once you figure it out luke just when you when you jump up in rage and jump over the tables just take your headphones off so the cable doesn't get caught and sammy please

1:02:05Luke Lafreniere:don't get blood on the concrete it's very hard to get out no i sealed this one oh okay

1:02:12Linus Sebastian:uh yeah feel free to bleed wherever then it is this one is yeah this one is sealed all right what do you want it's not on the what'd you guess it will help okay you're gonna have to guess you got five seconds this is getting ridiculous

1:02:33Luke Lafreniere:the variation of the product on the website

1:02:38Linus Sebastian:A screwdriver. Alright, you ready to see? Sure. There's like no way it's gonna be right.

1:02:43Luke Lafreniere:I have to reveal it in the bag, Dan.

1:02:45Linus Sebastian:There's like no way it's gonna be right. Because the screwdriver has those three things on it. And I'm assuming that's... Wait, really? Okay.

1:02:55Luke Lafreniere:Wait, so I didn't know it is red. It's a screwdriver. But not just any screwdriver. This is one of five exclusive Lime Day colorways that you'll be able to get by purchasing a mystery screwdriver next week while saving 20 us dollars on the u.s site or 30 canadian dollars on the global site do i get it wrong because i no you made me think that i messed up the color balance on my tv yeah what were you talking about you guys need to stop giving so many bloody hints i thought it was supposed to be very good at the three things. I'm just reading. I'm just a messenger.

1:03:32Linus Sebastian:That wasn't... Yeah, okay. Well, the thing that really threw me off was that he said it wasn't on the website.

1:03:39Luke Lafreniere:Okay, you guys are honestly hindering more than helping by talking. He has to get this one correct. Okay, so the last one, I vote everybody shut up and let him play the game. Yeah. Are you ready? Sure. For all the lines.

1:03:57Linus Sebastian:That's not on the website either, is it? everyone's gonna shut up and let you play the game uh i think i even know what that is but that uh can i look at the website on this one don't okay yeah that wasn't the question but i don't know i don't know it's up to arty

1:04:21Luke Lafreniere:the the game was never supposed to he was supposed to like it's supposed to this has dragged out forever, you guys. That's because he won't guess because he's going to lose. Go on. What's your thought?

1:04:33Linus Sebastian:What's my thought? I thought... I don't know if I can say it because I don't know if it's even like...

1:04:38Luke Lafreniere:Say it. Say it.

1:04:40Linus Sebastian:Let me type it to Linus. You can say anything you want. Say it. WAN backpack.

1:04:46Luke Lafreniere:It's our brand new WAN edition of the LTT backpack. That's right, my friends. But that doesn't... That was... i'm so thrown off because i thought the products were in the bag and this wasn't in the bag

1:05:04Linus Sebastian:so i thought i was losing by saying when back you did it it's the same backpack you know and love

1:05:09Luke Lafreniere:but with a little more when personality we're going to be launching it next week but since it's lime day we're going to be loading it up with something really sweet if you want to find out what we're going to be putting in them, sign up to get notified at lttstore.com slash lime. You'll also be the first to be notified of everything that's going to be on sale, and you'll get new deals throughout the week directly in your inbox. That's lttstore.com slash lime. Also, this is very important, pay close attention. If you are an LTT float plane subscriber, you are going to have a day of early access to all of our week long deals.

1:05:53Luke Lafreniere:Could maybe put it in the frame. Yeah, turn it around maybe. I don't know, just ideas. Okay, I'm crying out loud, you guys. Where's the salesmanship?

1:06:06Luke Lafreniere:Good enough. Is there too?

1:06:11Linus Sebastian:We could have... Give me the damn lime. Oh, wow, those are... That's tough. Yeah. I watched you really try. Like, he gave it a shot. Do you want to open it up first?

1:06:27Linus Sebastian:Ooh.

1:06:28Luke Lafreniere:I am, I swear, I'm like really trying to bite this thing.

1:06:34Linus Sebastian:Do you want me to do it too? The contest was kind of messed up. I can join you in this if you would like. I mean, that's your call. If you want to eat a lime, you can eat a lime.

1:06:41Luke Lafreniere:I won't stop you. I don't know if I can get in there or not.

1:07:00Linus Sebastian:sure oh man did you swallow the peel nope i'm just still going you know it's turning kind of nice it starts really bad but it gets pretty okay do you need a bucket i got juice all over my laptop Mm-hmm.

1:07:14Luke Lafreniere:I got it mostly on my pants. Oh It's also like all on one side which is really well, I mean it depends what side is hanging down right?

1:07:24Linus Sebastian:That's what I was supposed to hang

1:07:33Linus Sebastian:Okay, we did it nice job did anyone do you have like a napkin or anything handy for this or I don't think so nice

1:07:41Luke Lafreniere:I mean we deserved that Well I did I don't know if you did

1:07:45Linus Sebastian:I'm blocked by a TV sorry Also You mentioned how like them helping me Was not helping me They were actually unhelpful Where is it on the website it's not on the website The WAN backpack it's not I don't know what they're talking about Dude I didn't know I legitimately was like I am losing But this is the only thing I can think makes sense

1:08:06Luke Lafreniere:I went from being like kind of annoyed because they were giving you a bunch of hints in this game that was supposed to be a game to kind of annoyed because they were, like, sabotaging you. What the heck?

1:08:19Linus Sebastian:It was just Sammy. I repeatedly, like, I thought Screwdriver would not have been possible because they said it wasn't on the website, but I understand what he meant. That variant wasn't. I think I was super confused because I didn't know that variant existed. On my monitors, that's sort of orange. Yeah, so I thought it was a color problem. This monitor is extremely red. I thought it was a color problem, so I thought because of that it wasn't the screwdriver because they said it wasn't on the website. So I was like, what else can it possibly be?

1:08:50Luke Lafreniere:And see, I knew that everything was fine and working completely normally and that his guess was good, but we just had to sit through like four minutes of you guys misleading him. I was uninformed. just get on with it okay so buy things next topic

1:09:11Linus Sebastian:buy our products so that we don't have to

1:09:13Luke Lafreniere:do this again what is this stupid show

1:09:15Linus Sebastian:also in my defense definitely the angle is way off but I thought it was this but way more zoomed in for the water bottle

1:09:23Luke Lafreniere:half of it is the

1:09:25Linus Sebastian:water bottle half of it is the water bottle I get it I see what he's going for I just thought it was like a

1:09:34Luke Lafreniere:slightly weird photo i'm picking up what you're throwing down the germans have a word for everything on the last wan show we got into a discussion about whether or not lmg is a big company or a small company and i kind of tried to describe or the way that i ultimately described it was we're a big enough company that a credit union cannot service our business properly yeah but we're too small of a company for the big multinational banks to like really care about us no no no to care about us at all like at all anyway redditor alactrium underscore reached out with a german word that defines us and apparently it is mittelstand which according to wikipedia commonly refers to a group of stable business enterprises that have proved successful in enduring economic change and turbulence and is defined as a statistical category of small and medium-sized enterprises with annual revenues up to 50 million euro and a maximum of 500 employees so here's the uh here's the here's the the the wikipedia it would have been nice if we linked to the actual post uh but oh yeah no here it is here it is so the way that they defined it was a little bit differently uh we made up a word for this kind of company it's um

1:10:59Luke Lafreniere:okay yeah anyway no never mind yep cool good definition thank you that actually does help yeah we're we're a middle stand yeah is what our company is and there are complications with that

1:11:11Linus Sebastian:the transition is pain surprisingly very difficult and painful and i can understand why a lot of

1:11:19Luke Lafreniere:companies might not make it like i i gotta confess when people told me that the um i forget people lay it out both in like revenue terms and in like headcount terms um but when people told me like oh yeah this transition when you grow from like 100 to 500 employees is where most companies die i always looked at it and went well like that's crazy why would that happen like if you're if you're profitable and doing great up to 80 employees what you have 110 employees and you just go bankrupt um but what we're learning as we are as we have scaled to 100 over 100 back under 100 and then now over 100 over the course of the last like three years where we haven't really grown in headcount at all is that the communication and process challenges associated with crossing this threshold you effectively have to rebuild your entire company are painful but the difference is that this time you're building the airplane while flying it yes whereas the first time um you were building the airplane and figuring out how to take off the runway like it's a very very different experience and there's so many more voices so many more vested interests it's um It's been challenging to put it lightly.

1:12:45Luke Lafreniere:No, I like it that way.

1:12:53Linus Sebastian:Nothing changed. And now way more people know about the problem. Oh, I saw their messages. Don't imagine I didn't see them. This will bother even more people now. I tried. Is it better if they match?

1:13:12Luke Lafreniere:I don't think so. I really don't think so. Well, we'll see. This is interesting. The Colombian Navy has snagged a Starlink-equipped narco sub. On Wednesday this week, the Colombian Navy captured an unmanned semi-submersible that was equipped with a Starlink antenna. This unmanned drone vessel is believed to have been a trial run for automated cocaine trafficking. No drugs were found aboard the vessel, but Colombian officials stated that it had the capacity to transport as much as one and a half tons of cocaine. So it was a test run. Manned semi-submersibles clandestinely built in the jungle have been used for decades to ferry cocaine from Colombia to Central America and Mexico, and have in recent years been found crossing the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.

1:14:05Luke Lafreniere:Whoa! Colombian law calls for prison terms of up to 14 years for the use, construction, marketing, possession, and transportation of semi-submersibles. That's obviously working great. Unmanned subs eliminate the possibility of a captured crew cooperating with authorities. This is really interesting. So I learned recently that people were equipping planes with Starlink by just like putting the antenna like in the window of the front and just pointing it up. And then Starlink, because they have launched now, I believe they've launched, they've launched or they're launching their like their corporate jet service.

1:14:50Luke Lafreniere:Starlink has apparently countered this by doing a speed check. and making sure that your receiver unit is not moving too fast. Because there's nothing that would prevent the service from working.

1:15:06Linus Sebastian:So then you want, because what, they're going to upcharge the airlines, I guess? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, well, because... They want the plane version to pay more.

1:15:13Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, so Starlink, what's it called? Not commercial. Corporate. Corporate airplane price here.

1:15:27Luke Lafreniere:for corporate and private jet applications, Starlink Aviation offers hardware for$150 ,000, with monthly service plans ranging from$2 ,000 to$25 ,000. Which, honestly, as far as my understanding goes, is... It's about in line. Oh, I thought it was cheaper. I don't really think so. $25 ,000 for, like, a jumbo jet? Oh, that maybe. Okay, sure, sure, yeah, possibly. talk about the installation at all no no yeah possibly on that possibly um yeah no but no it's apparently this is for business jets according to pilot mail says the ai summary so take that for take that for what it is you gotta watch them ai summaries business unlimited ten thousand dollars a month i think that's pretty competitive um so so yeah uh and the interesting thing about it is from my understanding, this basically just comes down to like certification and regulation, because from what I heard from my uncle, nothing prevented anyone from just putting the like ground-based Starlink in the cockpit and just pointing it up and getting Starlink service.

1:16:39Luke Lafreniere:But with all the like certification and everything, the prices do go up a lot because you're not allowed to just like install you know starlink in your own you know plane like it has to be done by a certified shop yeah not necessarily weird in a bad way but apparently they take like fire resistance extremely seriously like to the nth degree like if you have a fire on a plane that's apparently the worst i mean makes sense it kind of does make sense yeah it makes perfect sense to

1:17:11Linus Sebastian:me yeah um yeah please just open the window they really are just oxygen and fuel big containers of oxygen and big containers of fuel yeah everywhere the fire could go is really bad yeah oh boy

1:17:31Luke Lafreniere:let's see if i can find this yeah everything everything everything plain is just whatever it costs on land times you know a bunch yeah now consider space oh dude the last place

1:17:51Linus Sebastian:not ruined by capitalism space give him time if you don't know that reference look it up it's amazing it's amazing watching him like crack up as he says he's having such

1:18:03Luke Lafreniere:a good time do you want to you want to play another little game sure okay this is a usb outlet okay it has usb c at 15 watts and usba at 15 watts how much do you think this module costs this is for a plane uh yes this is from mcico.com true blue power assuming a very

1:18:35Linus Sebastian:substantial price increase off of what this would cost a consumer. I think I'm still going to be intensely low, but I'm going to say$125. Oh, well. Oh! As low as$423. Okay. Hold on one sec. So adding USB-C, because the one beside it was exactly the same, but no USB-C, right? So adding USB-C is like over$200?

1:19:03Luke Lafreniere:I think you mean as low as$213. Hold on, but wait, there's more. Let's say, for instance, because that's just regular old crappy USB-C, where it's just doing the voltages and amperages of a USB-A port, but it's just shaped like a USB-C port. Okay. Okay, how about the appropriately named 6430360-21? This does USB-C PD. Oh, wow. 100 watts at 5 amps, and then USB-A at 15 watts. So the last one was 425, is that right?

1:19:43Linus Sebastian:Yeah, something like that. I'm going to say 1 ,100. Oh, you're actually high this time. Oh, that's actually a much lower increase than I expected. 700. Hundo. I mean, that's obviously absurd, but I expected them to just go even harder.

1:20:00Luke Lafreniere:Dude, that's like freaking wild. It's like more than 10X. Oh, actually, I don't know if that's more than 10X because I was shopping for a USB PD outlet to put in my wall. USB PD is decently expensive. And they're pretty expensive. That's why I thought it was going to be so much more. I'm actually surprised the lift on that is as low as it is. Wow, Luke's so out of touch. John Mesh says, oh,$700. That's actually a much better deal than I expected. I wonder if that's the bulk deal if you get 10 ,000 of them. Oh, dude. As low as. Who knows? MOQ100. What? I don't know. Did that say? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1:20:37Luke Lafreniere:That'd be crazy.

1:20:38Linus Sebastian:That'd be crazy. That's all absurd. Because, like, how much would... I'm just thinking cables. Because you could just... If you just mounted extensions into like a 3D printed little square. Yeah. It's like 30 bucks.

1:21:03Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Like nothing. Sheesh. Wild. This is Jay Ritchie 1984 says, this is why experimental aviation is so much less expensive. I can add a USB power outlet to a Vans RV7 for like 30 bucks. I'm not actually familiar with the Vans RV7 So I looked it up and this is it Popular two seat single engine Low wing home built aircraft kit Known for it's sporty Handling and performance Dude How is it that like I don't know How is it that I keep Discovering stuff this cool That I have never heard of So if you want You can buy a kit airplane And fly it and it's known for its sporty performance are you serious right now if you want some interesting

1:21:52Linus Sebastian:info and i i can't explain why i know this but it's not for me i'll put that out there first bc actually has really fantastic laws for experimental aircraft they are allowed to be much heavier here than a lot of places in the states meaning you can put like better engines and better wings and more fuel than you can in the states it's a big problem in the states you really get limited by weight really intensely and our limit is like genuinely I think like five times higher like it's not it's not a little bit of an increase it's very substantial and yeah they fall under experimentals I'm trying to look up the EC experiment like

1:22:34Luke Lafreniere:how much are these? Standard kits okay hold on standard kits here we go this means the fabrication work we do on the kit parts is less than 50 % of the total required to complete the aircraft oh that's what makes it a kit so you have to oh good lord you have to provide the engine the prop the instruments the avionics and the upholstery yeah uh okay standard build kit that's a plane that's a plane so that you get this in the mail justin can make it that is dude those panels don't even look bent you have to shape them yourself oh no you would um you would fold them and rivet them to this the subframe wouldn't you yeah we do not do the small trimming and adjusting jobs which the average home builder in the average shop can do just as well as we can okay trim in this context i think means like like like adjust the thing so that it like flies in a straight line that's what we mean by trimming right maybe the panels fit together i don't think that's what that means it says we do not do the small trimming and adjusting jobs that's making the panels i think they're talking about the panels okay trimming the panels i'm fairly certain okay sure rv kits are gonna need another garage you'll find we want to continuously improve them

1:24:01Linus Sebastian:the biggest improvement okay so where's where's the price trim is an active adjustment you do in flight that's a normal thing i'm just saying i'm just saying you do it yourself that's all

1:24:12Luke Lafreniere:kit build aircraft okay so rv rv7 was the one that the person said here we go so uh kit kit order form okay what do these cost like i have no idea throw some stuff in there yeah i can start clicking okay well i'll need one okay includes electric aileron trim okay good wing kit i'll need wings probably probably for my aircraft you could make your own oh you can get a quick build wing uh add quick build wing okay so this is basically oh oh yeah okay so that's another like five grand four grand four four four grand oh uh fuselage kit i'm i i might need a fuselage you might need to sit somewhere yeah i received my center section with my wing kit so i have possession of it already?

1:25:04Luke Lafreniere:Sure, I guess it comes with my wing kit. I don't need a quick build. I'll build my fuselage. Okay, I want a sliding canopy, obviously. Sliding is so sick. Obviously. A finishing kit. Whoa, okay. Spinner type.

1:25:24Luke Lafreniere:Okay, ship two... Wow, seriously? There you go. Well, you don't have an engine.

1:25:30Linus Sebastian:yeah i'm i'm sure i'm missing some stuff that was the price today it was actually 58 that's what you have to pay now yeah go back and look at the page the kit total amount to pay today

1:25:45Luke Lafreniere:uh that's my deposit you still don't have an engine no okay but still like realistically I'm up in the air for probably less than like my Taycan. Oh, yeah. Like what does, like how fast does one of these fly? Like is it, like RV how is this a thing? How is your business making build it yourself aircraft?

1:26:13Linus Sebastian:Oh, sorry. So the maximum takeoff weight of 544 kilograms or 1200 pounds you can have one or two seats and they must have a stall speed of 39 knots or less oh okay no design standards that's for ultralight airplanes but there's like lots of other things going on oh was this was this plane specifically on there don't it down

1:26:37Luke Lafreniere:down down to down to down down down down oh here we go uh oh no no no i saw the seven and i thought we were i thought it was rv7 but it's beach 77 something but yeah like down in down in the

1:26:49Linus Sebastian:the america the um the weight is much lower as far as i know at least in california america gets weird about laws because their whole state system thing so i don't know okay so the vans aircraft

1:27:03Luke Lafreniere:rv7 uh apparently has a top speed of 350 kilometers an hour which is something that is man that is so okay what engine is that with though because isn't isn't the rv7 oh that's is that a kid or no i think you'd probably have to have a like a rated max speed of the chassis like you couldn't just put any engine you want on it and go 900 kilometers an

1:27:27Linus Sebastian:hour and rip the freaking thing apart right the ai overview seems to think it's legal in canada

1:27:33Luke Lafreniere:that's crazy who knows what that means this actually explains something that i have wondered about a lot like dude facebook marketplace is full of airplanes and really yeah oh dude dude airplanes because i've told you like i i i trained my facebook marketplace algorithm to just show me the wildest stuff and so i started clicking on like airplanes for a bit there's so many aircraft on facebook marketplace and this raises so many questions for me why do all these people own aircraft why do they buy and sell them on facebook marketplace of all places like i just i couldn't wrap my brain around it yeah it's totally legal in canada i had no idea that the pricing for them was this accessible like sure it's really expensive but when you compare it to what people will spend on like you know a boat or whatever it's not that different whereas i just assumed like oh yeah you know a car is expensive a boat is more expensive and a plane is like way more expensive i just i just thought they were like way more expensive but it's like it's expensive but yeah compared to what people might spend on their boat and all of their you know um like water skiing gear or you know whatever right like sure cool what are we supposed to be talking about why don't we do sponsors.

1:29:01Luke Lafreniere:Hold on, I found you an engine. Oh yeah? Yeah. What am I going to pay for it? It's compatible.

1:29:08Linus Sebastian:A Lycoming engine. I'm not seeing it. Oh. 100 grand? Yeah, that's the most powerful engine I could

1:29:16Luke Lafreniere:find that works in that. Oh, you could get a rebuilt one for like 55 grand. Dude, you could totally be in the air for like Taycan price. 215 horsepower?

1:29:25Linus Sebastian:I say do it. 210 to 215 horsepower? This is not me. i'm not doing this you're not doing this no i know this stuff because of someone else not me

1:29:35Luke Lafreniere:i bet i bet i bet luke's getting into aviation no that's that i'd love to he runs a site called float plane and he just couldn't handle it anymore see that's the problem this wouldn't work for me

1:29:46Linus Sebastian:because i can't land on water so i could put you in touch with my old neighbor who used to get crashed out float planes and rebuild them and then fly them and that is not a made-up anecdote that as real why do you always know a guy literally i've had a very exciting life i've told you about him before yeah i think you have yeah but yeah from what i'm sure there's some other one but from like literally two minutes of research that's the most powerful engine that fits in the rv7 i mean he was excited that he found a replacement plastic light cover and it was only 80 us dollars it's about the size of like less than your fist how happy would he be with 3d printing now because i think with these experiment it would not be rated for flight but but i mean these are these are like plane planes oh yeah yeah we're still in the oh maybe the rv7 is a plane plane because i was wondering maybe you could get like a crashed out flow plane

1:30:39Luke Lafreniere:fix it get it reclassified and certified as a experimental and then you'd have a flow plane for you know a couple hundred thousand dollars that's still a lot of money though i also wonder And how often would you fly it?

1:30:51Linus Sebastian:And years of time to reassemble it yourself. Yeah, so the RV-7 is technically considered an experimental aircraft. Yeah, I wonder what it would take to get something reclassified as experimental.

1:31:03Luke Lafreniere:Ooh.

1:31:04Linus Sebastian:Do you just scream it? I think you'd have to substantially rebuild and fit within the requirements, like the weight limits and stuff like that. Does it have to be built from nothing? Dealing with plane pontoons within weight limits might be a little difficult.

1:31:17Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, I don't know. sorry i'm just signing into facebook to show you guys all of the airplanes

1:31:25Linus Sebastian:not that i'm not enjoying it thoroughly what what what topic is this was this a merch message who cares topic yeah what even is this

1:31:34Luke Lafreniere:show luke it doesn't matter this was you talking about starlink

1:31:41Linus Sebastian:i have uh i've just stopped trying to pull you back on topic there's no point i was it's better I was just curious. We've got to do sponsors, though. At some point. Whatever. At some point. But we've got to stall so Linus can sign into his Facebook account after having to go through 700. Look up a hanger rate prices? Yeah. Well, I mean, this guy basically, he had like five acres behind us, and he basically had a double airplane hanger on his property to rebuild these in. How insane would it be to just take the wings off and park it at your house? Some of them actually do have foldable wings. They fold up.

1:32:15Linus Sebastian:Oh, foldable, yeah. Or you can take them off.

1:32:17Luke Lafreniere:yeah that's a flipped over truck is that for sale are these hummels doing what i think they're doing no they're not um i didn't see that at first

1:32:29Linus Sebastian:is that is that the pool mobile from the simpsons uh it's a truck it's a trade what

1:32:37Luke Lafreniere:oh i thought it was a pool yeah it looked like a pool I want this Dude my Facebook market Look at the jeep Look at the flipped over jeep

1:32:50Linus Sebastian:Please what's that thousand dollar jeep I gotta know Wow Actually you put some body kits on those Jaguar F types and they look sick Just saying I don't like them by default

1:33:02Luke Lafreniere:Do you have to go get it yourself It's flipped over Delete if not okay one picture you just have to go get it yourself oh my goodness it is literally just one picture that's amazing that's it you just yeah you just go get it i guess dude i told you i told you this is unbelievable i train my facebook marketplace to be just the wildest stuff i would pay money

1:33:29Linus Sebastian:for that you could import someone's like algorithm training commercial that would be so cool uh Oh my god. What is that? Definitely not creepy monkey.

1:33:42Luke Lafreniere:$50. Probably collectible. Probably not, man.

1:33:51Linus Sebastian:Oh my goodness.

1:33:52Luke Lafreniere:Oh man. Oh, this is great.

1:33:55Linus Sebastian:Just incredibly weird things and then like really expensive cars.

1:34:00Luke Lafreniere:Yeah. Yeah. Oh man, this is great.

1:34:03Linus Sebastian:At home business. instead of just shows like candy stuff.

1:34:05Luke Lafreniere:Here's an original series tricorder functional prop replica. Because, yeah, that makes sense for me to be shopping for, I guess. Here's some stuff from Scrapyard Wars. No spoilers, though. Nope. Here's a 3D LED dance floor. Sure. I'll take two.

1:34:25Linus Sebastian:What is happening? What the heck? At least, you know, at least they put up a real price for it. Yeah. I'll give them that. Yeah, to their credit. it they did they didn't do that they did do that oh oh jimmy colonel stuff i don't like i don't like that i want to do some clown whippets no thank you do you want a nacho and cheese warmer oh my

1:34:53Luke Lafreniere:goodness uh anyway anyway oh i thought it was ranch uh anyway airplanes um no i forget i forget what airplanes are under okay so here here here here i'll show you i'll show you you wouldn't believe how many planes are on facebook marketplace like here's just here's just a casual float plane dude like people put up oh beaver's a classic yeah yeah buddy oh hell yeah it's like

1:35:20Linus Sebastian:the first time cars were listed on ebay like who's listing a six hundred thousand dollar plane on facebook love me a good beaver you know that's so wild why would i put it oh my goodness dude

1:35:31Luke Lafreniere:dude what a man to reupholster that what a choice what a choice you could ride your harley to the dock i'm super into then ride your harley plane through the sky pontoon planes and loud motorcycles oh dude dude dude float plane 160k let's go in maple ridge bc why do they have this air why well the thing is the cool thing about having a float plane is you just drive it on the water and then you can take off whenever you want I mean in fairness some of these are some of these are obviously like fake it makes it cheaper you don't have to store it in an airport like you can't call this a biplane if it goes three different ways

1:36:21Luke Lafreniere:here fixed wing ultralight can i interest you in an 1800 aircraft from 100 mile house would you get in this no is that how you do your is that how you do your trimming yeah yeah yeah oh it needs some tlc just needs a tune bro just needs a tune oh my god oh my god but yeah like dude you could be flying you could be flying an aircraft for okay hold on a second. Why is that so cheap? Nose actuator rod broke attachment point to down lock torn off. Okay then this one needs some work. Okay let's find the cheapest one that just like is ready to fly. Beautiful, well built, great reputation USD $65 ,000 You could literally pick this up in like 30 minutes.

1:37:16Luke Lafreniere:And it works? Apparently. Like is that crazy or what? that is pretty nuts that's like 60 65k 65 000 us dollars you are in an airplane now obviously this is this is like what i don't know if i want a 65 000 no that's fair enough but this is like what i was talking to you about a while back with that like that uh that lead on the gamer jet where i was like i guarantee you it's way cheaper than you think and you were like no and i was like yeah it's it seats nine and it's a million dollars and you were like what so with this and with that it's very weird the truth is the the bulk of the cost is in the operating of it yeah you got to have the hang you got unless you're unless you're working on it yourself unless you're even allowed to work on it yourself which for the experimental ones i guess you'd be able to but for like a commercial one i don't know the cost per hour of flying them is insane the engineering the fuel um but anyway i just i got i got a kick out of the fact that you can get a functioning airplane for 65 000 us dollars like literally less than a cyber truck and you would look like way less of a tool you could like take it off off the back of the cyber truck dude don't give people ideas like that you know they'll want if you drive the

1:38:34Linus Sebastian:Cybertruck fast enough down the roadway.

1:38:41Linus Sebastian:Does the plane break through the top of the Cybertruck before you get off the end?

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1:43:41Luke Lafreniere:yeah what do you want to talk about should we find some good news what do we got not much oh we have microsoft adding a free option to windows 10 extended

1:43:52Linus Sebastian:security updates program yeah windows 10 users have a new option to receive security updates beyond the october 2025 end of life the previously announced esu program allows users to pay 30 or and i think this is the free option 1000 microsoft reward points no no that's one of the

1:44:10Luke Lafreniere:old paid options oh yeah and that would give you an additional year of windows 10 security updates

1:44:16Linus Sebastian:making it safe to keep using i guess yeah the new third option requires users to sync their pc settings to one drive via a microsoft account using the windows backup app and presumably giving up some privacy in return for updates oh this is very from the enrollment screenshot pc settings may also include installed apps and credentials pretty interesting so we've talked

1:44:44Luke Lafreniere:a fair bit in fact we had a video i think on tech quickie minus windows free about how windows is effectively um yeah here we go so this tech quickie video from five years ago is like why windows is free now it's not free but it's clear that microsoft's efforts from the late 90s and the 2000s to prevent people actively like aggressively prevent people from pirating windows have been discontinued for ages at this point you literally can go to microsoft's website download a windows iso and install it on a computer and just say i don't have a product key and run windows and it will as far as i can tell other than not letting you set some personalization options background and you can still set a background by just right clicking an image and then setting as desktop background doesn't block you yeah you just can't do it in the personalization menu like as unless that workaround has been patched or whatever but the point is they just clearly don't really care and I think this is yet another illustration that they just don't care.

1:45:58Luke Lafreniere:Like you could have an old Windows license that you've upgraded to Windows 10 that they would offer to upgrade you to Windows 11 if you met the hardware requirements and now they're basically even saying, okay, forget it. Don't even bother with the hardware requirements. You can stay on Windows 10. Just please, please, please, please, please have a Microsoft account because at the end of the day, Microsoft is going the direction of basically everybody else where it's free to use and you give up your privacy data yeah you give up your data in return so what would you do right because your choice is linux is not an answer i just hold on hold on why is linux not an answer linux is not an answer because there's whole government switching over because because you are a kid and all your friends play a game that has kernel level anti-cheap there that's why so what would you do you're running windows 10 because you like like windows 10 better and windows 11 is bad you would i would never under any circumstances run windows 11 because you're a giga chad like dos dude one okay your options are run it without security updates upgrade to windows 11 or sign into your microsoft account and sync all your stuff let's say those are your If you had three options, which would you take?

1:47:14Luke Lafreniere:Windows 11. You would just go Windows 11? And just pirate it.

1:47:18Linus Sebastian:Oh, interesting. And then just customizations.

1:47:22Luke Lafreniere:Okay, I didn't give you those options, though.

1:47:24Linus Sebastian:So you're, you play... But I'm a kid, so I have gained the option of pirating it. You said I'm a kid. Going back to when I was a kid, that was a... A low bar to walk over. Like, didn't require a hop. You had to step up a little bit.

1:47:44Luke Lafreniere:okay uh people are questioning what dos dude one is dos dude one is not a what dos dude one is a man and we did a collab with him recently uh upgrading the storage on a macbook it was super cool you guys are definitely going to want to check that out okay i mean yeah i i think we are long overdue no security updates on my operating system no i think we're long overdue for like a de-bloating windows episode because there's do you remember the windows nine thing i do that guy reached out recently really yeah oh interesting yeah i'd be i'd be down to do another like apparently he's still doing stuff de-bloat your windows let me um i don't have an easy way to access the message now but yeah that's okay dan will email you a reminder i don't think merch message dashboard is like super super busy tonight i think he's good is that okay dan

1:48:43Linus Sebastian:thank you don't email it though thank you thank you that's a weird way to put it um well no he

1:48:52Luke Lafreniere:just i want to do a poll i want to i want to hear from the people and i'm not giving them a custom option dan can we make a poll so windows 10 raw dog windows 10 signed in and Windows 11. Those are the only options. So you have to pick one of those three options if you answer the poll. Do you have to buy Windows 11? Windows 10 Raw Dog? No, because I assume that you can upgrade to it. Let's say you can upgrade to Windows 11.

1:49:18Linus Sebastian:Windows 10 Raw Dog?

1:49:20Luke Lafreniere:Yep. Windows 10 signed in. Yep. And Windows 11. Okay. I want to know which one. All right, we're hitting float plane with a poll. Let's see.

1:49:31Linus Sebastian:It's not Windows 10 signed in.

1:49:33Luke Lafreniere:it's windows 10 with your pc settings shared yeah yeah so what we talked about like synchronizing all your crap i'm just saying it's it's more than signed in yeah okay live okay here we go here come the results oh for crying out loud uh i will find a way to do this hey look at that oh my god ah good software microsoft what is happening right now we need to get power toys on that

1:49:57Linus Sebastian:laptop for you yeah probably yeah most people are we've got 70 of the vote right now on windows 11

1:50:02Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, they're just like, okay, forget it, I'll do it. So, I mean, this is how they eventually get you. I mean, I remember Windows 10 Raw Dog for me.

1:50:10Linus Sebastian:I suspect the Windows 10 Raw Dog people are... Like me. You have problems. Would you actually, you'd go no security updates? Oh, yeah.

1:50:20Luke Lafreniere:Instead of going to Windows 11. And then when Windows 12 comes out, because it's the next one, after the one that's missed. It's going to be even more in-fied, dude. There's no way that Windows 12 is actually good.

1:50:31Linus Sebastian:I'm using Windows 11 on this computer and my workstation, and maybe I don't hate it as much, because when it first came out, I didn't know how to neuter it, and now I know how to neuter it, and so now it's okay. Are you going to access the Windows updates despite not supposedly being able to? Is that your plan? Or are you actually just going, no security updates on your home? My dad still uses Windows 7. Like, why?

1:50:58Luke Lafreniere:Okay, that I actually...

1:50:59Linus Sebastian:Because he doesn't like the new ones.

1:51:01Luke Lafreniere:It doesn't matter, though.

1:51:02Linus Sebastian:I don't like Windows 11 very much.

1:51:04Luke Lafreniere:I mean... He doesn't like Windows 10. I keep telling him, do Windows 10. Here's my question, though. Like, I recently did a switch to Mac challenge. And for the first couple of days, I hated my life. And then it just didn't matter. Like, I don't use my operating system.

1:51:19Linus Sebastian:Windows 10 is, in my opinion, the most it-doesn't-matter operating system Microsoft has made.

1:51:25Luke Lafreniere:Sure, but like...

1:51:26Linus Sebastian:It just doesn't matter at any point. be just any of them they they just i don't know man they just they don't really matter that much i even try new features yeah and they just in my opinion aren't very good so then i just don't use them so i just don't really use the microsoft stuff that comes from the operating system and it's fine like they have this new is it on this one they have this panel when you open the start menu that is like you can use microsoft link and link your phone except it like kind of sucks

1:51:59Luke Lafreniere:you know what maybe part of my thing is that i just have my like ad block built into my brain i don't even notice a lot of the annoying things about windows that one was a major change it added

1:52:09Linus Sebastian:a whole extra like was this on windows 10 when it was 11 oh this is on windows 11 it's it didn't happen to this computer though so like i don't know yeah i don't know why did they make the start menu worse i mean but you can fix that i mean yeah i mean i learned how to fix everything so now it's like okay you could do that in windows 11 and have security updates that's what i mean

1:52:30Luke Lafreniere:that's what i mean like so then what leaps asking is why would you go windows 10 raw dog i'm surprised

1:52:36Linus Sebastian:you would just be like i'll just have no security and if there's a massive windows 10 vulnerability i don't believe it is able to be tackled by roaming the internet bot things i'll just get wrecked i'm surprised by that answer dan hmm at work no at home good i let my dad I'd use Windows 7.

1:53:02Luke Lafreniere:I'd use Windows XP. Okay, can't you just like... If I still could. What's the equivalent of window blinds these days? Can you just window blinds Windows 11 to Windows 7 and then have him not notice? Couldn't you just do that? No, there's a functionality thing. What functionality? The split between control panel and the new settings menu is getting more split in Windows 11. There's just some perclivities that I don't particularly like. but what does your dad do with any of that stuff come on how often does your dad go into the control panel i don't know he browses google chrome why does why does he need security updates like we don't care

1:53:40Linus Sebastian:is this really a problem for people like do they care that much about security updates yeah uh yeah

1:53:47Luke Lafreniere:yeah i mean maybe part of it is me being traumatized by like blaster back in the day do you do you remember when you couldn't so much as install windows xp and make it to the desktop if you had a like a network an active network connection before your entire computer would just be taken over by just bots that are just finding any connected pc on the internet and infecting them maybe maybe that's because maybe because the pair of us like lived through that

1:54:16Linus Sebastian:and we're just like it's fine we've dealt with this why would that be the takeaway that wasn't

1:54:21Luke Lafreniere:fine you couldn't even use the computer i actually don't because we've always been fine i don't know this is like the xy thing all over again i think we should move on i'm gonna move on my guess was

1:54:36Linus Sebastian:that most people that voted for that category were people that are leaning towards or already in the linux camp that makes sense yeah i guess i would not expect most people to vote for no security updates. No, they didn't. But like 22, I think it was 22 % did. Yeah, it was quite high.

1:54:56Linus Sebastian:And I suspect that's people just leaning towards abandoning. You shouldn't be me. Because there's a lot of that right now. Yeah. I've been trying to get more and more used to alternatives. You shouldn't hate an operating system enough to do what me and my father do. My father and I do. Yeah, like your dad should honestly just use Linux. yeah he actually dual builds mint why is he even dual boot why why why why what is how does windows 7 yeah make sense here some program compatibility i mean he could triple boot or he could run a vm yeah that sounds like effort it's easier to run windows 7 it doesn't to me

1:55:36Luke Lafreniere:no i'm moving on cloudflare is changing the rules of the internet cloudflare has announced that it is now blocking ai crawlers by default and is introducing a new pay-per-crawl model in which ai services can pay content creators to allow their content to be crawled cloudflare infrastructure and services are utilized by almost a quarter of the internet and bots and crawling traffic can significantly increase the costs of running websites and recent studies have found that more than 50 % of internet traffic is AI bot driven in 2025 with projections anticipating a rise to 90 % by the end of the decade.

1:56:18Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, the internet's fake. What? Yeah. Half?

1:56:21Linus Sebastian:I've known this for a while. I did not know that. I did not know it was that high. Yeah. That internet theory stuff is like pretty real. Like half of internet traffic? Well, yeah because I'm not even talking about internet traffic. I'm talking about internet interaction right now. Internet traffic that's not surprising to me literally at all the internet interaction though if you spend some time on like the dumb one letter website and you actually like actually dive into replies and actually read stuff it's painful so much of it is fake it's painful crazy even YouTube comments these days incredible amount of like back in the day it would be like Ben in his tank or whatever that weird thing was yeah uh there's a lot of spam yeah click my pussy stuff like that yeah lots of that but these days there's a ton of bob yeah bob's tank army bob's tank army that was it uh there's a ton of fake ones now it's weird it's odd watching them get in loops of talking to each other is entertaining too it's like oh this like random tweet or whatever has like a billion comments and we don't know why and then you see that there's one comment with a reply to it and they just keep replying to each

1:57:35Luke Lafreniere:for like ever it's like okay cloudflare says that site publishers will have full control over the ai blocking and the paper crawl settings while ai services will be able to choose if they want to pay the crawling prices set by the publishers the feature is currently in private beta and cloudflare customers can apply for early access our discussion question then is how do you think LMG will utilize these new features. And go.

1:58:04Linus Sebastian:We signed up for the beta. We're not in it yet, but we signed up for the beta just to kind of see what's going on. It's interesting. I think there are downsides to things like this. It's not like search companies aren't going to be aware of who's turning this on. And it's not like search companies wouldn't be able to hurt your search ability. Not only do I think it's possible, I think it's so likely that it's close to guaranteed that that would happen that's my vibe check right now i don't technically know but i really think that would be a thing it'd be very very easy for them to do in regards to impacting

1:58:39Luke Lafreniere:page rank however i mean they can't they can't derank everyone and cloudflare is enabling it by

1:58:46Linus Sebastian:default yeah i think there's also like oh man i think there's a lot of interesting bits like if you block crawlers on your website because you're like you know the the three one millionth of a cent that i'm going to get per crawler interaction is not worth the money i'd rather people just actually come to my website if you do that it also opens up a really weird gambit where people could prop up a website that just copies your stuff and then they allow crawlers to come for a fee whatever else there's a lot of like this is i think this is a good route to be very clear but this is going to start a very weird interact conrad stop uh this is gonna i don't know what he's doing uh this is gonna start some really some really weird interactions on the internet um of how things work now to be clear i do not think this like ai summary no one ever has to click on a website again garbage is a good idea yeah it's not sustainable so we need something

1:59:56Luke Lafreniere:yeah if this works awesome but this could have unintended consequences i guess is what practically

2:00:01Linus Sebastian:everything has unintended anything can be gamed yes and this will attempted to be this will people

2:00:08Luke Lafreniere:will attempt to game this and i don't know what's interesting to me i guess is that this might just be too little too late um most of the clean training data is already out there like i've heard that companies are basically like guarding their uncontaminated by you know just ai contributions actual human generated training data which man could have really fascinating implications for like the evolution of communication because the way that we communicate with each other our our slang and our grammar it changes and evolves over time but if we've got these time capsules that we use to train AIs and people are effectively using AIs to process information and send it to each other.

2:00:54Luke Lafreniere:I do wonder if there's going to be like a stagnation there.

2:00:57Linus Sebastian:You know how right now there's a fairly dramatic difference between written word and spoken word?

2:01:03Luke Lafreniere:I don't know. Is there? I think so. Oh, okay. Sure. I'll buy it.

2:01:07Linus Sebastian:You and I are not very good use cases for this because I think we often just write how we talk. But for a lot of people, there is an actually pretty substantial gap between how they write and how they talk i'm bringing up a text chat okay who's

2:01:21Luke Lafreniere:someone i talked to uh nope two x-rated

2:01:35Luke Lafreniere:um okay okay okay so here's um here's a yeah no i think i basically just write how i talk so this is to one of the writers off hours i said one attempt it's not a good example i said one attempt well no but we're

2:01:52Linus Sebastian:just chatting on in text i know but it's you're giving an example of another person who is through their work highly incentivized to write how they talk i mean

2:02:03Luke Lafreniere:got it yeah they don't care um

2:02:09Luke Lafreniere:so i said one attempt adds a ton of scope at a time when we are objectively very busy send it away to expert and test can be done in an afternoon uh around with the tormach as a day shoot we can hash this out during work hours though hope your evening is good sorry for the slow reply be busy today so i guess i i i'm a little bit more point form in text but i don't know pretty similar like what do you mean like how different are you thinking things are it's for for a substantial amount of people it's like very different

2:02:39Linus Sebastian:like they'll use they'll sometimes use different language um someone's saying professional communication yeah but this happens in non-professional settings as well this is like

2:02:48Luke Lafreniere:a thing um man who do i talk to non-professionally i don't have a social life man i got nothing

2:02:59Let's see.

2:03:07Luke Lafreniere:Okay, what are you... Trying to not use the AI summary. At any rate, the non-contaminated stuff is basically... Where I was going with that is the non-contaminated source data for training is pretty much maximized now. You kind of can't get uncontaminated new data. So I do wonder how much this is even going to slow down the actual training of AI models. Probably not at all, but this could maybe slow down their intake of new information.

2:03:48Linus Sebastian:But even then, like... Because there's extremely valuable companies currently popping up, and their entire argument is that they have clean training data instead of junk training data. And that's off of data that's already out there. a massive percentage of the internet has been farmed. Yeah. I mean, hasn't just all of it?

2:04:10Linus Sebastian:That's a tough thing to say, but likely. Probably. But the one kind of saving grace is if we're going to look at sites like House Fresh, new products are going to come out. Sure. So you would still need to crawl a site like House Fresh if you want to have up-to-date product recommendations.

2:04:29Luke Lafreniere:So for those of you who haven't watched every WAN show ever, House Fresh is an air purifier specialist reviewer. And we collaborated with them recently on some of the challenges that they've faced around being pressured by air purifier manufacturers to change their reviews. and also pressure that they're under financially from the decoupling of impressions and clicks that has taken place over the last little while where people are getting an impression for House Fresh, but they're not clicking through to see an air purifier review because there's like an AI summary and they just don't have to.

2:05:12Luke Lafreniere:So yeah, they wouldn't be able to get information on new pages but I just wonder if they'll care I mean the AIs are so inaccurate anyway it also starts an arms race yeah we're just kicking off another crawlers versus anti-crawler technology I mean if anyone's going to keep out ahead of it at Cloudflare I mean if they can handle DDoS on a massive scale the way that they do that's a pretty

2:05:42Linus Sebastian:dedicated bunch they're the right team to be in front of it we're not sponsored by Cloudflare

2:05:47Luke Lafreniere:Have we ever done anything with them?

2:05:48Linus Sebastian:Don't think so. I mean, maybe. I'd be open to it. I'm open to it. We've been working with them

2:05:56Luke Lafreniere:in some capacity or another for quite a long time. Good luck, Cloudflare. We're actually rooting for you on this one. Big time.

2:06:07Linus Sebastian:Big time, big time, big time.

2:06:09Luke Lafreniere:Oh, we have another announcement. On the content side for Floatplane, I don't know where that was supposed to transition from cool you can check out my 44 minute sit down discussion with taryn uh do you want to do you want to bring it up maybe sure okay we yeah cool we talk about a lot of things like some high level company stuff like what the f**k he's been doing so far because viewers don't really see most of what he's doing or what he's done since starting two years ago um we also talked about um how after yvonne met taryn formally she said i have a type which was a weird um thing to hear uh it's not our most liked video but it is our most viewed video by far ahead even of the smash champs grand opening video how do we know that do we have a view counter now since when we have a ways to no no it's not there so it's not on there no oh it's good like dislike ratio though people seem to like it yeah okay we have ways of getting information well how do we how do we know are people is it just does it just seem very viewed because everyone's archiving it because they're worried it'll be taken down or like no no no it's there's

2:07:23Linus Sebastian:our view counts are not accurate um because technically everyone's view counts are guesses and we just haven't invested literally anything in guessing accurately but we guess similarly all the time i see so so it's comparable to our own stuff yeah oh okay so like we know that you know but like uh yeah the exact number that we have is not accurate but unless they're like extremely weird extremely unique interactions around this one particular video got it then it's probably

2:07:58Luke Lafreniere:accurate that it is high you know next week there will be two amazing linus videos um one is called I spent 24 hours with Linus. When did that happen? It's apparently a fun day in the life of Linus to see what I do on a somewhat average day. How do I not remember this? I thought this was in Taiwan,

2:08:19Linus Sebastian:which wouldn't be a somewhat average day. I don't know when it was. And the last time we heard about this, I pushed back on it because I was like, there is no way because you didn't like stay in like 24 hours.

2:08:32Luke Lafreniere:It's clickbait. I mean, they could have hidden in my closet.

2:08:34Linus Sebastian:it i wouldn't have probably noticed it seems to be it's a bit of a problem man yeah i know

2:08:39Luke Lafreniere:that that i don't think it's that um we also have the long-awaited linus reacts to staff describing their first interactions with him that's coming out monday so if you ever i'm really excited for that one if you ever wanted to see what floatplane is all about now is the best time i don't think so i don't think so because you can get early access to deals for Lime Day and amazing exclusives at lmg.gg. Yeah. Alright. What do we got left? We got some topics to minimize. You can donate your idle bandwidth to help archive the internet. To make sure that the internet never forgets!

2:09:20Linus Sebastian:Yes, Redditor you slash thecuriousbread posted a call out on the LTD subreddit for Archive Team Warrior. Archive Team Warrior is a software set up to run inside a software set up to run inside a virtual machine that downloads sites and uploads them for archiving. How it works, according to the Curious Breads post, is that there's an IRC chat where the Internet Archive team hand selects web pages with an expiration date. They set up a list for each project. You can select the project you want to support from your end. It downloads the pages and after each page is done, it gets sent off to the Internet Archive and the copy is deleted from your end.

2:10:03Linus Sebastian:Lightweight, late on internet usage, and big impact. That actually sounds very intelligently built. I'm not, like, I shouldn't sound like I'm that surprised, but that's, like, that's smart. I like that you get to pick. That's the, that was the big thing for me. That's really cool. There's a link to the Archive Warrior virtual application page, which we'll post in the chat.

2:10:29Luke Lafreniere:I'm dumping in the floatplane chat right now. I don't have the other chats open

2:10:33Linus Sebastian:and Dan just stepped away yep way to go good producer but it's wiki.archiveteam.org slash index.php slash archiveteam underscore warrior yeah

2:10:48Luke Lafreniere:I don't know I just thought that was pretty cool

2:10:50Linus Sebastian:that is really cool yeah I

2:10:51Luke Lafreniere:am a little confused as to how it saves any bandwidth for them if I download the page and then I upload it to them

2:11:05maybe i thought you could explain it to me no i don't actually have an answer for that

2:11:15Linus Sebastian:is it just that it's easier to scrape it's saving is it actually the bandwidth that is

2:11:20Luke Lafreniere:saving or is it the processing i don't know i don't see how it saves any processing either

2:11:26Linus Sebastian:well it doesn't have to like go to those websites and try to grab the data

2:11:32Luke Lafreniere:but they have to get it from like us or we'll only use your bandwidth the only thing i can think of is that it would be down to it being hard for them to scrape it yeah yeah so it's it's just distributing the crawling and um and downloading of the assets in here like it says hey the reason for this is to save us bandwidth um yeah it looks like it might be a rate limiting thing okay that makes a ton of sense yeah sites often block server ips or rate limiting okay

2:12:04Linus Sebastian:okay that that makes our notes were just uh maybe not 100 maybe a little bit a little bit confused

2:12:11Luke Lafreniere:um yeah very cool i i don't know i saw this and i was like that seems like a neat project for people to participate in. Here's another neat project. The U.S. House of Representatives has passed the big, beautiful bill. Here are some rapid, rapid-fire tech implications. Tax credits for semiconductor firms that are building capacity in the U.S. could rise to 35 % from 25%. The$7 ,500 $100 EV tax credit will be gone by September 30th. So if you were planning to pick up a new EV that is eligible for that tax credit, you are going to want to do that pretty quick. Clean energy tax credits, so for like wind and solar projects, will be phased out by 2027, which it has been speculated could result in higher energy costs in the longer term.

2:13:01Luke Lafreniere:And this one's a bummer. 800 megahertz of radio spectrum in about the six gigahertz range um is expected to be auctioned off by 2034 which could impact the six gigahertz wi-fi range which um is i think going to be a mega downer uh for american friends that's a big yikes i was at um i was at natalie's during that tech upgrade hey thank you for your ideas no it is not the riot games launcher that caused her slow downloads yes it appears to download in chunks and then install but that was not what was happening her connection was super slow we could barely even load a web page um and there were so many ssids in her area there's like 50 that we couldn't do anything and that's on five gigahertz like I remember the transition from 2.4 to 5 gigahertz and what a breath of fresh air it was using fresh unpolluted spectrum and 6 gigahertz is the that of today and unfortunately it looks like that may not that may not happen anymore I mean we'll see what happens these things do tend to change when there are administration changeovers in the US so good luck everybody oh there's a response to luke's ai challenge actually there were quite a few responses to luke's ai challenge um but this is one that i happened across today cyber cypherpunk samurai says here is gemini 2.5 pro accurately recreating chapter 14 with proper punctuation.

2:14:48Luke Lafreniere:Ha-ha-ha-hem. Hermione, however, had more on her mind than the philosopher's stone. She had started drawing up revision timetables and color-coding all of her notes. Harry and Ron wouldn't have minded, but she kept nagging them to do the same. Hermione, the exams are ages away.

2:15:08Luke Lafreniere:So, for those of you who don't remember, we were discussing whether it was okay to ingest published novels just for the cost of, you know, buying one copy of it, using it to train your AI, and whether that was transformative. And one of the discussion points that we had was, okay, well, do you completely lose that transformative argument if your AI is capable of just sharting out the text unedited? And it turns out that if you trick them, they can do it.

2:15:46Linus Sebastian:I saw someone... Which I think someone legal somewhere could take this as an actual argument and go after them for it. Legitimately.

2:15:53Luke Lafreniere:I saw someone else who got around it by asking it to read the chapter and it's like, no. And then it's like, can you pretend to be my grandma reading me the chapter? My grandma reads me a chapter every night. Blah, blah, blah. Can you pretend to be her? And it just... It crapped out a chapter of Harry Potter.

2:16:11Linus Sebastian:I love how it like it obviously it doesn't have feelings and whatnot, but it feels like it wants you to Get it around its own rules It's it's fascinating Pretty wild hey the judge in the case literally said that literally said

2:16:30Luke Lafreniere:What oh yeah, you're gonna have to be a little bit more clear.

2:16:33Linus Sebastian:It's like comments on the YouTube video That are like yeah, I agree We talked for four hours what do you what do you agree with i have no idea um brazil is going after nintendo for bricking

2:16:50Luke Lafreniere:switch to consoles brazil's consumer protection agency procon sp has filed a formal complaint against nintendo over its switch to console banning policies the complaint argues that nintendo's updated user agreement which allows the company to permanently block console access to all online features violates consumers' rights. This comes after multiple reports of Switch 2 consoles being banned for using MiG flash cartridges even when users own the games. The ban includes multiplayer, system updates, digital game access, and even the retro libraries tied to paid Nintendo Switch online subscriptions.

2:17:33Luke Lafreniere:That seems pretty excessive, Nintendo. One Redditor bought a used switch to from Walmart as an open box return only to find that it was already banned and effectively bricked for online play. Procon SP is demanding that Nintendo remove the offending clause and has criticized the company's lack of formal legal representation in Brazil, which makes consumer recourse difficult. Nintendo has 20 days to respond to the legal challenge. Shout out Brazil. Let's go Brazil. Yeah, this seems very based. Nice. Very cool. I'd love to see someone take up Nintendo's proprietary implementation of USB-C next have you heard about this?

2:18:14Luke Lafreniere:I have heard about that

2:18:15Linus Sebastian:that's super annoying

2:18:16Luke Lafreniere:it's not only that they are not helping third party accessories work with the Switch 2 it is that they are actively encrypting the communication and actively preventing third party accessories from working there is no technical reason why the Switch 2 could not use standard voltages and could not use standard protocols. I promise you, I'm not an engineer, but what I can tell you is there are, if Apple can do it, Nintendo can do it. Yeah, unique username says, and their dock sucks. Apparently there is one third-party dock maker that works, but even they came out and said, okay, yeah, but nothing would prevent nintendo from changing the encryption key with a firmware update so we're not like guaranteeing anything but yeah it works right now i don't know how they got it working like they must have they must have a mole in nintendo or something i have no idea yeah um

2:19:24Linus Sebastian:cool from brazil though the usbc thing like I don't know the rule of the law and that you use USB-C stuff but I feel like it violates the intention certainly the spirit of the law yeah that's what I was looking for spirit of the law and hopefully that you can step in on that a little bit because like everyone using the same connector but not being able to actually use it because you locked things off defeats the whole purpose and honestly actually just makes things worse in a lot of ways So hopefully that's not allowed to continue to be a thing.

2:19:57Luke Lafreniere:Well, and the really goofy part is like on the Switch 1, it was no problem for you to just plug the Switch 1 into a wall wart and use it. Although apparently it could like wear it out faster or something. But then if you took that same wall wart and plugged it into a dock and then tried to use the Switch on that, it like wouldn't work. It's like, yeah. Can we just not? Yeah. Like, can we just not that? Seriously, yeah. Why? like I know you gotta sell$40 AC adapters but are the like $80 games not enough how much blood do you want from our stones no US

2:20:39Linus Sebastian:I was thinking like no that's too cheap it's a hundred something

2:20:42Luke Lafreniere:I was converting to US oh boy this is interesting the Supreme Court in the U.S. has upheld a Texas law that would require ID to visit some websites. Last Friday, in a 6-3 vote, the Supreme Court upheld a Texas law aimed at blocking minors from accessing online adult content, which on the face of it sounds like a good thing. I don't think most minors need to be seeing that kind of content. However, like many potentially well-intentioned policies and legislation, this one is full of holes. And no, not all of them can be filled because we can't get to the websites to see it.

2:21:41Luke Lafreniere:The Free Speech Coalition had challenged the Texas law due to worries about the First Amendment being infringed upon. Justice Clarence Thomas stated he didn't believe that this restricts adults' free speech rights, saying, adults have the right to access speech obscene only to minors, but adults have no First Amendment right to avoid age verification. Okay. Even though this is now overturning decades of precedent and has the potential to upend access to First Amendment-protected speech on the Internet for everyone, children and adults alike, said Samir Jain, Vice President of Policy at the Nonprofit Center for Democracy and Technology.

2:22:17Luke Lafreniere:um yeah this is because back in 1996 and 2004 as well as many other times there were rulings that federal law at the time said it would be unconstitutional to have restrictive measures on content filtering several websites that would be required to have this age verification check are simply not running in texas as well as in several other states because they don't want to be the ones responsible for holding people's private information like driver's licenses passports and whatever other id would be used to verify the user see that's the problem with this law is that i don't want that either the government is not doing the work to make it manageable they don't have a nationwide id program for every man woman and child that is properly administered and properly safeguarded and whatever and i'm not even advocating for that as a solution here I'm just saying that they are not doing the work and not putting in any kind of infrastructure that would enable these organizations to perform the identity and age verification checks that they are demanding that they perform.

2:23:28Luke Lafreniere:They're putting all of the liability on these private enterprises, all of whom are going to have to create from scratch some kind of solution to collect this information, validate it, and store it, which is insane.

2:23:45Linus Sebastian:I'm assuming what they're hoping, if I can try to find an argument for them right now, I'm assuming what they're hoping is that the free market will make a stripe-like thing where the liability goes on a third-party company that is very highly security-focused.

2:24:04Luke Lafreniere:Sure, I mean, that worked great for the credit monitoring industry. Equifax is awesome. TransUnion, too. I love them both. dude what i'm kind of surprised union site is so garbage i had to they had a wrong address in my history and i i had to i like went in and tried to change it and once you try to change it oh first of all it took me like four three times on the phone with them to stop my account from just randomly locking when i would try to get into it and then we finally managed to get me into the account and then it's like a separate portal to go and like register for a change and then when i went i finally got an email saying that there was an update to my change request and then when i tried to log into it the page would error out every time i would try to go to it i still don't know what happened with that but i have never lived in edmonton

2:25:00Linus Sebastian:it's been a wild saga i yeah i mean the thing that surprises me the thing that surprises me the most is that there wasn't one of these sites already queued up by one of the people trying to push for this bill that's the thing that surprises me is that there isn't a solution that already at least sort of exists um i don't think they've thought that far ahead there's a there's a really interesting point at the end here i think you're giving them too much credit i think this is just

2:25:26Luke Lafreniere:classic will somebody please think of the children i know but uh as elijah says at the end of this

2:25:33Linus Sebastian:topic i swear this prawn topic comes up every month i we've talked about the texas one in particular i think like three or four times yeah this is crazy i don't have another solution to accomplish the thing that they want other than just clicking yes on a website and i don't think

2:25:53Luke Lafreniere:there is one i i don't think so either but like that's the issue is you're you're supposedly um you know, anti-government overreach and anti-regulation, except when it's convenient. Or in this case, like, inconvenient. Like, there isn't even, there is no plan, there's no concept of a plan for how this could possibly be implemented. And look, I'm not saying that the adult entertainment industry is precious and should be protected at all costs at all i'm just saying that if your argument is that they need to do this thing and you have literally no idea how you expect them to do it how do you how do you legislate that i like i can't think of another example of something this stupid and like if you're

2:26:46Linus Sebastian:yeah because i can imagine legislating something where you don't have the answer for it i can't imagine that being a thing in a variety of scenarios but in this scenario the thing that you're trying to tell them to do is putting serious security risks on everyone involved well yeah so it's like you you kind of know the only direction that they can go in and you know that it's bad which seems not good yeah i gotta wonder what lobbyist is pushing this

2:27:22Luke Lafreniere:like who is who is asking for this i don't know genuinely unsure helen lovejoy that's the only possible thing i can think of who's that won't somebody please think of the children oh that's actually yeah that is actually here wow

2:27:38Linus Sebastian:you're so informed am i on the simpsons i'm sure yeah yep yeah pretty pretty much i mean i haven't

2:27:45Luke Lafreniere:seen i haven't kind of watched any of the last probably 10 or 15 seasons but you and sir dank

2:27:49Linus Sebastian:should sit down and chat about the Simpsons. There's only eight seasons.

2:27:53Luke Lafreniere:That's when the show ended. Why? Is he just like full of Simpsons references or what?

2:28:01Linus Sebastian:He used to make like Oh man, what was it even called? Simpsons Wave. Is that what it's called? Is it the music? What is Simpsons Wave?

2:28:11Luke Lafreniere:Simpsons Wave, yeah. Like.wav?

2:28:13Linus Sebastian:Didn't he like basically come up with this? I have no idea who invented Simpsons Wave. Oh, Dankmas? dank miss that was it wasn't oh dank pods isn't dank isn't that's what i said to you early yeah yeah i thought you said dms no no no no oh

2:28:31Luke Lafreniere:okay okay okay okay oh yeah yeah yeah yeah no no i know but i know about dank pods and loving the simpsons or whatever okay what are we what are we looking at here that's right okay yep that's a thing that exists oh this this is like this is peak stuff don't don't knock it till you try it no i yeah i okay yep that's good this is like the good part of humanity if if if all

2:28:55Linus Sebastian:this news in the wan show makes you feel bad about being alive any stuff like dankmas okay should restore some of it i am i am fully unironic the art brain that that man has is amazing i he's great that's good stuff crump with me linus um deeply uncomfortable apple has introduced tiered

2:29:22Luke Lafreniere:commission and tax for app developers in response to the eu ruling that apple must allow app developers to use all alternate payment solutions apple has made changes to the store services fee paid by app developers in the eu the fee is now broken into two tiers and if you elect to link to outside payment options you are locked to tier one which gets only a subset of store services so tier one five percent commission on in-app purchases limited store services with the tldr being no automatic updates no search boosts no personalized recommendations no editorial features no custom product pages, no insights and analytics.

2:30:10Luke Lafreniere:At tier two, you must exclusively use Apple's payment system. 13 % commission on in-app purchases, and you get the complete set of store services. In addition, Apple is rolling out a new fee, the Core Technology Commission, which allows Apple to take a 5 % bonus on outside purchases made through App Store apps. At the time of writing, The EU Commission is yet to respond, but if you thought Epic CEO Tim Sweeney would say something, you're right. He weighed in on Twitter saying,

2:30:52Luke Lafreniere:Thanks,

2:30:58Linus Sebastian:Tim.

2:30:58Luke Lafreniere:I feel like I always have to disclaim this. I don't agree with Mr. Tim Sweeney on everything, but boy, do I ever agree with him on basic f***ing logic when it comes to monopolistic behavior in online marketplaces. I feel like he has been a voice of fresh air, just kind of saying what should be obvious to everyone, that the emperor has been naked for years. and if what Microsoft was doing in the 90s and early 2000s was antitrust, this is like uncle trust. You've got to be kidding me.

2:31:42Linus Sebastian:Yeah, uncle trust.

2:31:44Luke Lafreniere:Yeah, like antitrust, but stronger. Oh. Like could probably beat antitrust in an arm wrestle. Gonna die earlier though. Probably. For sure. Probably. Sometimes questionable on holidays. Heart condition. Yeah. Facebook is training meta AI with your unpublished photos.

2:32:05Luke Lafreniere:Last week, TechCrunch reported that some Facebook users are seeing a pop-up when posting to stories asking if the user would like to opt into cloud processing. The pop-up explains that by allowing this option, Facebook will generate new ideas from your camera roll, like collages, recaps, AI resylings, or photo themes. For this feature to work, Facebook will upload media from your camera roll to its cloud on an ongoing basis. According to the terms of service, Meta will have the right to retain and use any personal information that is shared with them. Wow, that's pretty cool. Holy crap. How does it keep getting worse, Luke?

2:32:52Linus Sebastian:Billions and billions of dollars. Hmm.

2:33:00i think that's a legitimate answer when is it enough like when does mark zuckerberg own enough

2:33:06Linus Sebastian:of hawaii never i genuinely don't think that has a cap he wants all of hawaii uh i for a for people that their brain worked that way in my opinion i think it would be just like is he racist the universe he doesn't want oprah to live there too

2:33:26Luke Lafreniere:it's a valid question i think it's everyone why does he want hawaii to have only white people specifically himself actually asian too yeah i'm sure his wife would be allowed to be there yeah yeah why does he feel that way don't know Is this just how he is? Are all lizards just racist? If I say that, does that make me racist against lizards? It might. They just want to be warm. Species.

2:33:53Linus Sebastian:They just want to be warm.

2:34:03Linus Sebastian:Oh, that's pretty good.

2:34:09Luke Lafreniere:mystery ion says you don't have to be racist to not want oprah near you i actually have no idea what her controversies are so i'm gonna stay out of that one i don't care um yeah okay let's uh probably switch over to after dark maybe we got a few merch messages today all right cool let's do that oh boy uh okay merch messages after dark there's there's hold on there's there's 12 500 people watching live on youtube presumably there's some stragglers who still watch on twitch for some reason um there we've got like five probably not for long probably thousands more watching on float plane i have to ask you this the honest question okay do you guys tune in weekly so that you'll be there the moment my career ends is that the idea i think i think a lot of people used to that's why i arrive every week i think i

2:35:14Linus Sebastian:think there was a period of time where that was like absolutely a very significant part of it um

2:35:22Luke Lafreniere:yeah so i gotta i don't know if that's as much of a thing anymore but i i know that was

2:35:29Linus Sebastian:i think people at the company still watch well now we tell them what we tell people online during but people also watch to be like is there going to be a work to come back to

2:35:41Luke Lafreniere:do i have to come to work to monday do i have to come to work monday monday um i came across this on the subreddit recently yeah i've seen this this was funny I had never actually rewatched the clip Really? I mean, dude Do I really have to like relive?

2:36:01Linus Sebastian:Dude, I thought it was so I watched like so many reactions I thought it was so funny I had a great time with this

2:36:18Luke Lafreniere:This guy This guy's face

2:36:29Luke Lafreniere:so i they were very funny so i i watched i i i had to sit through the agonizing it's so long it's like it's not actually that long it's like two minutes but it feels like forever but It feels like a lifetime.

2:36:47Linus Sebastian:Imagine how long that felt for me in the moment.

2:36:55Linus Sebastian:I'm ragging through my brain like, am I even right about this? Because there's no way he would say that. I'm trying to like...

2:37:03Luke Lafreniere:We were actually... The fact that you knew... Because I don't always monitor chat. Oh, that wasn't from chat monitoring. No, no, I know. I know. I'm just saying. I don't always monitor chat so if you hadn't known yeah we would have been we could have made it to the end of that episode and then once we once we stopped airing

2:37:26Linus Sebastian:the giving back was not an option

2:37:27Luke Lafreniere:there was no way there was no way just like

2:37:31Linus Sebastian:I actually look back at that fairly fondly and I like watching reactions to it and stuff you know what does suck though is people that will recognize me in public and be like oh the the hard r thing that's actually why are you saying this i don't get that that's all tiktok knows us from that's what people know me from all my most viewed stuff is that clip so like it will genuinely i'll be in an airport and someone will walk up to me with hundreds of people walking by and be like oh the hard art thing that was crazy i'm like wow i really don't want this right now.

2:38:16Linus Sebastian:Please stop. Like it happens at conventions. It happens at airports. Like if it's just us. Sure. But it's never just us. I didn't have my face shown.

2:38:34Linus Sebastian:It's rough, man. Yeah. And then like the stuff that comes after it. Luke Luke Hardar left Rainier

2:38:45Linus Sebastian:the stuff that comes after it where they're like oh I can't believe you saved that whatever that part is always said at a significantly lower volume than the initial bit scream that first bit it actually happens a lot it's very disturbing I don't know when people are just gonna yell Hardar at me it's the guy, it's a Hardar guy

2:39:07Luke Lafreniere:public yeah as long as you're not in the states you're probably okay it's not like in terms of people understanding it yeah yeah but like in america if i was just like hanging around and someone referred to me like that real loud i probably wouldn't be stoked on it no it's not

2:39:25Linus Sebastian:comfortable yeah like at all

2:39:31Linus Sebastian:yeah i uh yeah it is hilarious though i do like anytime anyone links me a like uh somebody reacting to it or talking about it whatever i i love it i thought moist charlie's moist criticals his was hilarious highlight of my career yeah did you ever watch that one i got to mike wikowski it just no tiny little tiny little postcard of my head it's great let me see if i can find it can't be that yeah linus tech tips almost ruined his career he was like hours it was really fast he was really i mean he just normally is really fast oh yeah but yeah this one was so funny uh he talks about how he was what you should go watch it if you're interested but he talks about how he's watching he's been apparently watching for a long time like just the channel and he was just like they're just like oh no it's all over i haven't watched it forever but his his recount of this was genuinely hilarious um it was also fun to hear him say that because i i first saw his channel when i was in university so like uvic university like so that's kind of a cool crossover thing but yeah it's very very funny um anyways we're still here yeah for now

2:40:55Luke Lafreniere:dork here dork here people have tried to cancel us he didn't he didn't try to cancel no no i know yeah

2:41:03Linus Sebastian:oh man brb gonna fall down the reaction rabbit hole it's pretty funny it's yeah i i it's pretty

2:41:10Luke Lafreniere:good all right dan yeah hit me okay hello dynas duke and lan i just got into hockey recently and i

2:41:23Linus Sebastian:know you nice linus had made a joke about being a fan of the oilers before but what are your

2:41:29Luke Lafreniere:favorite teams let's go kraken for me um to me picking my favorite hockey team is like picking my favorite corporation um because they literally that's what they are they literally like very literally are corporations so you're just like when you when you buy the merchandise you are supporting you know a lot of the really positive things that sports teams do bring to their communities they bring people together they often contribute to their communities charitably like Canuck Place here in Vancouver does a lot of really great work. You are contributing to the livelihoods of not just the players that play on the team, but also the farm system that filters up to the big league teams.

2:42:18Luke Lafreniere:There's a lot of you're contributing to the businesses that rely on people leaving the stadium after the game to go get dinner or drinks or whatever it is. there's a lot of really positive things about sports ball but you are also funneling money into the pockets of multi gazillionaire owners and you're doing that at a greater rate than you are probably any of the other things and so for me I really enjoy the sport I am a fan of hockey I love the tension i love the incredible talent of um just amazing amazing players um i i i i i love the speed of the game the intensity i i can appreciate the talent and the hard work and dedication that goes into being so so very good at it um but i have a real hard time being that invested in a team so for me a big part of the joy of watching hockey is watching you know with someone who's really passionate about someone so i'm at a point now where i can kind of cheer for whatever team so i just get behind whatever whoever david gotier wants to win it was genuinely more fun watching the finals because he was there oh yeah david's so passionate and he's very well informed not just about the game itself but like all the players and their their like history and like you know whether whether they're you know dirty players or whether they're people that we can feel good about cheering for him like rant about that one guy was was i don't remember his

2:44:00Linus Sebastian:name but it was it was cool i yeah i have no interest in watching on my own i absolutely i don't generally like tv shows i love shorzy um and that's like about a hockey team so that's cool i i've been considering trying to like recruit a couple people to also do this with me because i'm not interested in just doing it by myself but the like kind of local hockey team trying to get season tickets for that some year and like actually trying to go to every game i think could be kind of fun. By local hockey team, I do not mean the Canucks. Yeah.

2:44:42Luke Lafreniere:I also, I really like, you know, interesting storylines. Like I was, I was rooting for the Oilers because I don't know they're the Canadian team or something last year. And, but I was also pretty happy to see Paul Maurice lift the cup. This was the very unfortunate record that he had last year until he won. he had the most wins of an NHL coach without having a cup just like you could be like the greatest coach that never actually lifted the winningest without championship coach is not the thing that you want to go down for no it really isn't yeah so I you know felt pretty good for you know for him for finally getting there um and this year I just I really you know you saw all the passion from you know dry sidle and mcdavid i really wanted to see them lift it they couldn't get it done maybe next year we'll have to see how the offseason goes um yeah i love the game don't love the the corporateness of it i stopped following super hard uh back in the i forget which lockout there was there was a lockout and it was basically like i was just as a fan i was just kind of tired of like millionaires versus billionaires this this crashed out a lot of people

2:45:57Linus Sebastian:that I know from watching.

2:45:58Luke Lafreniere:And I just didn't care who was right anymore at that point. Yeah. I was just not interested anymore. Was it 2011? I don't remember exactly,

2:46:05Linus Sebastian:but I used to know quite a few people that would watch and almost all of them stopped watching after that, to be honest.

2:46:14Luke Lafreniere:2012-2013 was the lockout. It canceled many of the games of the 2012 season, including the All-Star game and shortened the regular season to just 48 games. What was that tournament they did this year? That was incredible. That was like peak sports. New answer, the Four Nations face-off. Whoa, dude. That was like... That was... It's amazing how much harder the players play with their country flag on their chest versus some corporate logo. And it really shows us what we're missing by having hockey as this corporate behemoth rather than as an international...

2:46:54Linus Sebastian:The Four Nations tournament, even if you're not into hockey at all, was a fantastic watch. It's like the best hockey you can watch. And every player was going for it every time. Like, wow. It was kind of crazy. That was fascinating. That was my favorite hockey thing that's happened in like maybe ever. Yeah, I'd love to see them bring that back.

2:47:16Luke Lafreniere:I don't know if they're committed for next year, but I think seeing the success of the format, they like it. I'm just worried there's going to be too many injuries or something and they're going to shut it down. I think they're not doing it next year because it's an Olympic year, isn't it? I think it's a winter Olympic year. It makes sense, but if they did it on non-Olympic years that would be cool. I'd be super into that. Four Nations face-off was amazing. Okay. Let's see what else we got next.

2:47:44Linus Sebastian:Hello from Tasmania, Australia. Wow, hi. Linus, as you get older, do you expect your viewer demographics to age with you? Do you

2:47:51Luke Lafreniere:worry about young newbies in the tech field shunning you in your 40s um it's something that i've thought about a fair bit actually i mean i think that i've talked extensively about what i call the curve which is kind of a natural fizzle out of not just like online you know internet famous people but pretty much anyone with cultural relevance like you you can't keep it forever and And depending on what kind of a space you're in or whether you're a man or a woman or what kind of role people can imagine you in. You think about... Happens to movie stars. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You get kind of typecast.

2:48:39Luke Lafreniere:So if I'm typecast as the young geeky tech guy and then I grow out of it and I'm an old guy that still talks like this. Like that's, that probably won't work for people. Formats change. Something that I have not really had a, you know, a strong presence in is short form content. There's a whole tech talk that occasionally, you know, clips of me will end up on or whatever else. We have some of our own content that we upload there, but I wouldn't say that we're a dominant force by any stretch of the imagination when it comes to short form. You know, everything changes. Nothing ever stays the same.

2:49:17Luke Lafreniere:And aging out of this career has absolutely been something that I've thought about a lot. But what we're also seeing is that while I think the audience is aging up with me a fair bit, it's not as bad as I kind of always assumed that it was going to be. um we're still like heavily skewed in the 18 to 24 uh 25 to 34 and 35 to 44 ranges which from an advertising standpoint is like ideal um young men with disposable income is pretty much your like optimal demographic target um and while we don't have one of the most sustainable uh verticals necessarily like financial advice for instance has like crazy cpms and stuff like that there's a tech is really not that great for verticals yeah so we don't have that going for us like automotive cpms are apparently much higher uh what we do have is a really stable oh go ahead they talk about

2:50:30Linus Sebastian:that there's a big time has a video on like it's been one year since we left donut what's it like yeah and they they're they actually like it's a very much more open video than i think most people would make um and they they show one of their dashboards at some at one point and show like their kind of cpms and they explain how it works and they explain how like youtube takes their cut and all this kind of stuff and it's really cool actually it's a good video um i would say the

2:50:58Luke Lafreniere:there is a bit of a shift occurring um so we are 41.4 percent 25 to 34 20 percent 35 to 44 and 24 and a half percent 18 to 24 so that is all that remains is like 10 outside of those ranges but i do think that google's doing a better job of filtering out um like garbage data so i suspect It's always been a little closer to that. And we are aging up a little bit into 25 to 34. But I'd say given I'm going to be 39 pretty soon, if we're still managing to speak to 65 % an 18 to 34 audience, we're actually still doing a pretty okay job. And given that we still have 30 % of our audience, 35 and up, we also aren't completely losing the more mature audience either.

2:51:51Linus Sebastian:I think more of that is probably not related to you. And I think more of that is probably related to our format because we don't cater heavily to short form. We do cater to short form. Sammy does a great job. But we don't cater.

2:52:05Luke Lafreniere:Our primary content is long form, which is aging up. Yeah, that's true.

2:52:10Linus Sebastian:And I think there's just that our focus is computer hardware, which I would argue is aging up as well. I don't necessarily think it's super related to you.

2:52:21Luke Lafreniere:personally and there's uh and there's like socio-economic factors that are contributing to this like it is harder for uh you know a 17 year old to buy a brand new gaming computer today than it was when i was a kid yeah um not just in terms of like raw dollars like in terms of purchasing power and typical disposable income it's much more difficult um so i can totally understand why a lot more younger people would gravitate towards console gaming for instance

2:52:57Luke Lafreniere:okay up next finished all medical training now leaving the incredible friends i went through

2:53:03Linus Sebastian:hell with over the past five years and it sucks what's the hardest goodbye you've had to say and how did you handle it oh hardest goodbye we're not talking deaths right right oh i think i don't think so oh really no they left school i think that's probably a little

2:53:24Luke Lafreniere:they're all going their own ways it's a little too far um man i don't know if i've i don't know about hardest goodbyes i've had i've had a few moderately difficult goodbyes like when i did my when i did my six-year exchange um to quebec not only was i saying goodbye to all the people who effectively like taught me French and I spent every day with while I was there uh as like a summer camp counselor but I like I literally I think I think like the terms of the exchange like there was no personal information to be exchanged or something like I was literally saying goodbye forever um so that was like kind of weird an old school problem like I hadn't really I hadn't really like encountered that before um i don't think i had a super strong attachment to anyone in high school anyone that i like didn't you know maintain an attachment with yeah like there it wasn't really like goodbye it was more just like fade away that's one of the issues i'm having is a lot of the situations that i have left like what about your teams like you know you you went to provincials for like football and hockey and stuff like was there ever like a goodbye moment with your teams that you were like i'm never gonna see you guys again that you it was less in my opinion

2:54:46Linus Sebastian:like those teams because the the team you'd go play with for provincials is not the team that you would naturally i think is not the team that you would play with throughout the season because they would take a like all-star team from all the different oh i didn't know that teams in bc For ball hockey, it's how it worked. Interesting. And then you'd go travel and play wherever. So like that group, I was never usually like that tight knit with that group. Right. It was more the team throughout the season. And the team throughout the season even, a lot of times you'd see the same players kind of year after year.

2:55:20Linus Sebastian:So it's like a slow roll. Yeah. What did really, really, really suck was the very last year. because you turn whatever and then you're not eligible 18 or whatever it is and you can't play on those sports teams anymore and the jump to adult teams a lot of them don't exist yeah or

2:55:42Luke Lafreniere:the vibe is like completely different yeah that makes sense um like football oh yeah adults are not going to want to like get injured no like no turns out people do play rugby i didn't know about

2:55:56Linus Sebastian:that until like way later um but yeah football not so much of a thing there's like one team if i remember correctly but they were super serious and they really kind of wanted to be this is extremely old information it could be wrong even from back then uh but they they wanted to be kind of like the house team for the lions like they were like trying to make it they weren't just playing for fun right seriously playing for fun like i like obviously i'm gonna give it but like i'm also not trying to be a professional football player so like there's a difference yeah between trying as hard as you can and trying to be a professional football player there is a difference yeah um so like certain sports they just didn't have teams other sports the vibe was completely different like i would still like to practice right most adult teams don't practice so you want

2:56:43Luke Lafreniere:the like football equivalent of like a badminton club like we're running where you can go and you can do training yeah i think so you can like play and compete in like ladder games or whatever but

2:56:53Linus Sebastian:like even if it was just the practice i would love that football practice was sick pushing bags around and stuff was really fun um and there's even like i've been looking into getting into ice hockey we couldn't do ice hockey when i was a kid equipment's too expensive um thanks uh i do pretty well now um so i could i could thank yourself i could get some hockey equipment if i wanted some hockey equipment um but like i can't skate at all yeah like literally at all yeah yeah it's pretty sad

2:57:24Luke Lafreniere:it's a problem like i can't skate and like you're trash yeah so like i'm i can't just go join a team i mean david offered to kind of um hold our hands next year i want to do that i'm kind of down i'm totally down okay should we do it yeah Yeah. Okay. All right, we're doing it. Next season. So David's got to recover. I don't think you guys have seen any content yet, but his wing is pretty busted right now. Yeah. Which is not a good sign. Because he's a unit. He's playing a league. He can probably take some damage. He's playing a league above what he... So apparently he can kind of... He's allowed to play in a lower league if he's kind of like chaperoning us and we suck kind of thing.

2:58:08Luke Lafreniere:And he doesn't like score too many goals and stuff.

2:58:11Linus Sebastian:Yeah.

2:58:12Luke Lafreniere:So he offered to come in at the bottom.

2:58:15Linus Sebastian:Yeah. Like I was good at ball hockey and 20 years ago. I'm a great rollerblader. Oh, dude, I was really good at rollerblading. Terrible ice skater. When I was 12. Yeah. I have not done that ever since. You know, those, the crosswalk bars.

2:58:32Luke Lafreniere:No, you don't talk.

2:58:33Linus Sebastian:Can I find an image of this? Okay.

2:58:35Luke Lafreniere:In the meantime, I wanted to address something real quick. Unique username asks, how do you mean you couldn't get back in touch? like literally forbidden from exchanging contact deals i was a minor so i think it was like a thing um and then there was one other thing that i was going to answer and i forget what it was oh yeah the hardest goodbyes um probably the hardest ones for me were um employee employment terminations um here so like some of the ogs and when i say termination i don't mean fired i'm not saying if they quit or were fired that's none of your business um but just like people that um because there's some that like you know i'm still in touch with and like you know it's chill like taryn and i tech not my boss taryn the other taryn we text once in a while like brandon came to movie night the other week like there's people that i'm still in touch with but and we do our best to kind of part on good terms but breakups are always complicated and emotional and sometimes you know they're not going to be on good terms so those goodbyes can be really hard because these are again people that you work with for a long time um a lot and sometimes very intensely there's a lot of bonding that takes place it's really good i can't find an image so i have come up with a a terrible way you really truly have if the goal was terrible you did it and do you step in them

3:00:03Linus Sebastian:like a cross there's like one here and there's like one here and it's a cross it's not a crosswalk i said the wrong term it's like uh like a in in suburbia it's like a trail between houses or whatever oh like a pathway that's a pretty good picture of those the vehicle blocker thing that's a really good path yeah walking path not not crosswalk i just said the wrong we're gonna put it on the fridge gold star that's a that's a pretty yeah okay so those bars you know there's like a middle bar and then the high bar and then they so when i used to rollerblade all the time i would deliver newspapers yeah speed was of the essence and when i was rollerblading but not delivering newspapers or if i like had a few to deliver through one of those walkways so i'd like leave my big thing of newspapers and just go with a little bit and try to go really fast um i wouldn't want to weave around those because they would slow me down so i came up with a way that i could if i jumped i could get the the middle of my four wheels i could lodge it on the the bar and then lift myself up a little bit and get the middle of my other foot's four wheels on the top bar and toss myself over and just like vault them bloody hell you shouldn't do that so i did that every week for years and it was awesome don't try it again my brother and i were both like oh no dude i might die my brother and i were both very good uh yeah it was awesome and then i haven't done that genuinely since i was like a very early teenager good so if i tried i have a feeling if i tried to stop now i would biff super hard i literally can't find a picture of that yeah why like is

3:01:48Luke Lafreniere:that's just so hard to search for is that not a thing i don't know okay well anyway i'm sure there's a proper term for it all right dan dan you are not there at the time please don't answer

3:02:01Linus Sebastian:this for luke and linus um okay if the company was now still as small as it was five or six years

3:02:08Luke Lafreniere:ago do you think people would have better opinions of you that's a good question five or six years ago we were a lot smaller um i think it'd go a little bit of both ways i think there's a certain amount of inherent um i think there's and it depends on the person like some people will respect someone more the bigger their business is or like whatever um regardless of how good of a person they are like you look at the way we hold someone like steve jobs in super high regard like the guy's personal life was a dumpster fire like he was such an asshole like you know and nobody even disputes it like it's not like it's it's not like people are like no he didn't completely like mistreat his partner and child it's like yeah but apple he did amazing things yeah like it's uh It's this sort of bizarre issue that I've talked about in the past, but I think we're doing a really poor job of choosing our male role models is kind of what I think it boils down to.

3:03:18Luke Lafreniere:I think we sort of always have. Fair enough. I mean, we call him Alexander the Great, and he literally, I don't know if he came up with decimating, but he certainly did a fair benefit.

3:03:33Luke Lafreniere:Anywho, but on the flip side, I think there's people that inherently feel worse about someone the more wealth they accumulate, which I can also see the perspective of. Especially now as we're hitting like quite a peak of wealth disparity. yes and uh we're ramping up into an unaffordability crisis that is impacting almost literally everyone um like on earth um with that said my son lives there have you sorry tenant have you been have you been following what's been going on with uh property i sent you an article today you i have not oh yeah you well i mean a little bit but not enough you should you You should read it.

3:04:23Luke Lafreniere:Let me put it this way. I've been a little busy the last few weeks. Let me put it this way. The crash that I've been rooting for for some time that I think will help significantly alleviate some of the pressure that people in the Vancouver area have been feeling. We appear to be on the precipice. We're already over here, and it seems like the trajectory is this way. I'm so excited.

3:04:50Linus Sebastian:People keep saying this argument to me, and I don't have anything substantial to counter it with, but they're like, oh, yeah, everybody's just waiting. And then when the market drops a couple percent, which is an enormous amount in the housing market, they're just all going to rush and buy. And my constant gut feeling is like, who, dude? Corporations! Who are these people? They're going to buy up all the cheap housing.

3:05:14Luke Lafreniere:Because there's a demographic shift happening at the same time. Like, dude, there's so many businesses for sale on Facebook.

3:05:23Linus Sebastian:look i buy one with a jet two for one your facebook marketplace is as i really really oh it'll never happen but it'd be so wonderful like if i could just copy your algorithm and put it in mine because i would just i want that as its own website yeah i would linus's facebook marketplace is a website i would go to i know i didn't speak directly to mike you can't hear that But like, man, you see businesses? Tons. Not haunted monkey. Two million dollar jet. Just an entire business. Do you want to buy a Kroger for$26 ,000? She's a nacho heater. Like, it's actually amazing. Cursed Gatorade.

3:06:05Luke Lafreniere:So there's a lot of businesses, okay, for sale on Facebook. Because boomers are retiring. and there's like literally no one to buy them so they're cheap right so people are able to buy these things for like 1x ebita and like if they have some startup capital which is a real challenge because they haven't had an opportunity in their life any money so they like have to inherit it yeah to build up a nest egg or credit worthiness but you could just borrow against your house oh

3:06:32Linus Sebastian:no wait wait no that's like real though yeah that's how a lot of it's get started right

3:06:38Luke Lafreniere:so it's uh so it's gonna take some time but i think we are and the problem is that heading into this is going to be really painful in other ways like it's going to be a boon to people who are who have managed to save and we're just waiting for things to get ever so slightly more affordable but it could also be deeply problematic for people who are a little bit lower on the social ladder rungs and have not managed to accumulate the down payment that they need and whose employment could be impacted by the economic hardship that's going to take place. And like everything's... Oh, why is every WAN show bad news WAN show?

3:07:22Luke Lafreniere:It's almost like it's a reflection of the world. Oh, no, wait, that's worse.

3:07:31Luke Lafreniere:Irish Luck asked, What is EBITDA?

3:07:38Luke Lafreniere:It's a really fun word that doesn't seem to mean anything. It stands for earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization. It basically tells you how much money a company makes, excluding any effects of financing taxes and non-cash accounting practices. So it's like theoretically a no bullshit. Like how profitable is this business? theoretically yeah big theoretically but there's always creative accounting yep hit me dan hi linux cbass do you feel burnt out due

3:08:18Linus Sebastian:to the increased workload as chief vision officer compared to the time that you were thinking of

3:08:23Luke Lafreniere:retiring do you feel more tired this time well i never get younger which it turns out is a challenge because we hit our biological peak man at like what is it like 23 to 27 or something like that so everything's downhill every day my reflexes are slower

3:08:46Luke Lafreniere:oh hi there you know like every day i'm dumber every day my my peak physical condition erodes a little bit. So I never feel more energized than before. However, I wouldn't say that my workload as CVO is increased. It's different. I was trying to cut back to four days a week for a long time. I never actually really got that day off. Actually, I shouldn't say never. I think it happened somewhere between three and five times. and then theoretically um i was gonna go to filming like three days a week starting at the beginning of this june but in practice um i've actually just started telling people i'm officially back to full time now because i mean the truth is we've been having some very challenging growth pains recently and um i don't mean this as a knock against anyone in particular uh what i mean is that it's just very difficult scaling a company from uh what's the german word again middle stat yeah something like that yeah uh the good one middle stand um very difficult scaling a company from middle stand to even just being a sustainable middle stand actually even if we weren't trying to 10x which i don't even think we are trying to do um i kind of rather not yeah people people people don't people don't want to stick around for stagnation right and staying middle stand forever might appeal to you or me or someone but it might not appeal to you know maybe dan maybe dan doesn't like that maybe that doesn't work for you know his career growth progression

3:10:30Linus Sebastian:i'd still ride the bus but just like i applied some amount of resistance to us becoming the size we are now i would apply a similar amount of resistance to us 10xing 500 would be difficult enough yeah thousand i would hope i was when i was talking 10x i was talking revenue i

3:10:52Luke Lafreniere:would hope we could 10x revenue without oh i thought you were talking headcount because we

3:10:55Linus Sebastian:were talking about the difficulties oh god no i don't know oh yeah 10x probably be 200 i would say 200 220 you could probably do that level of revenue depends revenue yeah profit probably not

3:11:06Luke Lafreniere:let's go yeah 10x revenue we might be able to do like if we really scaled our activities in ltt store um and did like way more marketing so we just like go for maximum top line revenue knowing that the profitability is going to drop like a rock then yeah something like that could work uh jurasol says imagine building an air table for a thousand people yeah i read that and it gave me

3:11:29Linus Sebastian:short-term trauma and i'm not even doing it it's going to be identical um there's there's like no change the the complexity is in how many types of jobs that's a big problem here as as much as and it's a hundred jobs it's not a hundred people 200 people would still be about the same quantity unless we keep doing more and more things which is what this company does so yeah we already did

3:11:55Luke Lafreniere:the hard part linus coin we'll have a system integrator now we're gonna have now it's just scope creep and so we've already done the hard part so we're fine okay okay okay yeah because i

3:12:05Linus Sebastian:was gonna say no now it's a thousand jobs i might need another couple months a vacation by the way this is the this is the best example i can do nice it's that all the zoom you got basically there we go yeah just like that it won't keep it perfect yeah that's what he's talking about yeah yeah there you go i can't i tried i tried every search term i could think of and couldn't find an actual example of it in a walkway like that. I could find just the bars. I found that. And I've seen them everywhere. They are everywhere. Does somebody have a link?

3:12:48Luke Lafreniere:Close. That's close. That's close. It's not perfect. That's close. No, the one Luke showed is the one that we have all over the place here. Yeah. The cyclist ender says Curious Bread. Yeah. There's some rough videos. There are actually. Have you seen them? No. I don't need to see that. I mean, you're not supposed to be riding your bike there.

3:13:11Linus Sebastian:It's just a slow down. It means slow down a lot. It means walk your bike. The rough videos are usually from where it didn't have them. And then they put them in. Because everybody rides looking at the ground. Well, a lot of it's like coming down a hill or something. That's bad. Should've put a ramp. And if it's like really gloomy out and raining and they're also gray. And like the ones that I showed had like little stripes at the top. Most of them don't. I have never seen them with any kind of indication that there is something that's going to hurt you. That was unique about this one. Usually they're just gray metal.

3:13:47Linus Sebastian:So like in certain conditions, they're not the easiest thing to see. And if you're traveling really fast, you can whack them pretty hard. I never have, but I know from video experience. Look up staggered barriers. I did.

3:13:59Luke Lafreniere:Okay.

3:14:00Linus Sebastian:Last one. Last one I got for you. hey linus luke and dan wow somebody actually used normal words for a change still awake here in london enjoying the show i am brainstorming an app idea that i want to build and i was wondering back at the beginning of flowplane how did you plan it out that was my reaction when i read this too ah yes plan so jake and i had a semblance of a plan and then we talked about it somewhere concept of a plan they say yeah we had the idea of having a plan we talked about it somewhere i don't remember where that was uh it was in a video or wan show or something nice uh and then there was a thread made on the forum of people talking about it and aj who still works here thank goodness um responded being like a neat plan uh but you could do it this way and it was like this really long write-up of like how we should actually do it and then we brought him on and did that nice nice and then we're like wow that was one of the worst times in history to make a video platform so a lot of it has changed since then but aj's plan for that time was good nice it's just with hindsight it's just like wow those weren't bad ideas but nice

3:15:29Luke Lafreniere:rough we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye bye bye bye bye

3:15:55bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye

3:16:02Linus Sebastian:No, put the price up.