YOUTUBE UNCENSORED - WAN Show August 1, 2025

29:14Even though it's a deduction, theoretically, like in principle of the tax that we paid, It actually counts as income And we pay income tax on it Yes FoxNZ The tax cuts are taxable

29:36I just wish I just wish we did more with it You know We did more with it What do you mean You know I wish we weren't like Going tremendously into debt And stuff like that Us? the country oh yeah well i didn't know no no no no no i was like no we're doing okay no not yeah not the company's doing all right everything's under control we're just uh dan um we're gonna have to make some cuts though oh my goodness normally i do crossfades but i can switch it to cuts if you prefer i like it i like that and that my friends that was good is why he's not going anywhere he's sharp he's quick like that uh no it's just like i don't do video editing get it i looked it's funny joke i did i looked recently into some of the you there you go there nice um i looked recently into some of the taxes in bc you talked about this recently as well um and you know bc is known as a fraud haven of north america um so there's definitely some of that going on um but there is a lot of tax money flowing through bc and i just i understand that you know some of the provincial money goes to help other provinces and stuff like this yeah i think bc is a have province right we we pay into the have-nots if i recall correctly yeah yeah um but it's just at the same time it's like darn man i don't know i don't this whole like every company every country sorry running more and more down into deficits harder and harder and harder all the time like it's uh there's that old like uh what is it great great i don't remember the quote exactly but great men plant the seeds of trees that they will never sit in the shade of or whatever we're doing like the hard opposite of that we're like uh digging a deeper hole that we won't have to sit in yeah the problem is that the the time of reckoning it seems to be sort of creeping up on us slowly constantly pushed back and made worse all the time and then eventually we'll hit a wall where we can't push it back anymore and we're just screwed and i just don't love it that's my whole complaint but whatever we could we could do we could move on is there a good topic ai therapist urges users going killing spree maybe we talk about that next okay no hold on that sounds way better hold on there was a good news there was a discussion question for this one it was does the Canadian propaganda thing change anything the answer is no we've been applying for and receiving various provincial and federal tax credits for I think eight or nine years now so if it didn't bother you before then it shouldn't bother you now and we are we are we are grateful for the flexibility that we were able to find with the people that we've worked with um at cavco and at creative bc because a lot of these credits really were set up for traditional media like one of the big challenges that we ran into was they were like well you have to apply on a season by season basis of your show so what's it and we're like okay well what's the season um and they allowed us to call a year a season okay even even though like within that season right like the there's not this type of serialization that you would normally expect for a season of a tv show and and that's not that's not their fault it's just rules that were made for a very different time and these things are government moves slow um and so these things took a long time to adapt so we appreciate the the the things that they were able to do to help us get things moving along and um hopefully they don't run out of money yeah yeah good luck everyone yeah i um i don't know man i have such a complicated relationship with taxes

33:53as you can imagine i pay a lot of them yeah which nice which i consider a privilege good job yeah heck yeah no seriously though sometimes i feel that way like we we had someone we had someone on the team recently who was quite badly injured actually oh i mean he was on camera okay uh david you guys probably saw him in olamide's uh amd ultimate tech upgrade with a big old cast on his arm i'm not going to give you too many of the gruesome details but i'll say it involved the great canadian game of hockey and going into the boards real hard was not i am personally very happy with my tax money going towards fixing stuff like that and and and you know Personally all good with it.

34:43David told me the gruesome details of set pins and surgeries and all that kind of stuff. And I could almost hear the Canadian national anthem, you know, in the background, right? Knowing that he didn't pay a penny for that. I shouldn't say didn't pay a penny because obviously we pay for it. We pay for it with our taxes. however however um and and like he was in and out quick which we do have a triage system where sometimes yeah people will wait a really really really long time and sometimes that works out real bad but there was a level of urgency with his injury and he was in surgery i think within like five days or something most of my personal ones have been totally fine in regards to wait times i know some stories where it's been really bad but most of my personal ones have been fine however i can't deny that when i see like egregious waste um i just i i get i get i get pretty mad yeah i don't like it yeah like i don't like i don't like talking to a contractor right and talking about the options for okay okay here's a perfect example remember when we built um the original tenant improvement here uh in unit 102 yeah right and so the the bottom and top floor and remember how we had the the top was just all boxed in and i had this genius idea of putting windows on it so you could see out into the studio space just to kind of make it i don't know a little less oppressive didn't work it's still oppressive whatever um turns out windows to an indoor space don't really do that much i don't know do you think they're better than nothing i think it helped okay sure fine whatever i for sure think it helped the point is that when we were talking about the windows to put into this interior wall.

36:36I was like, oh, well, yeah, we'll just throw some windows in there. Just to stick on this for a second, I think the gap between, like, really bad and, like, not great is actually really important. Fair enough. Like, I feel like that was, like, going from 15 to 30 FPS. Okay, fair enough. Yeah, yeah. So, anyway, I was like, hey, I want to put some windows in here. That should be no problem, right? So the contractors come back to me. They go, oh, well, they need to be fire rated and they need this and they need that. And so you need these ones with the fire wire inside the glass. So they're like, okay, well, how much do those cost?

37:13And they're like, a lot more. And I'm like, okay, fine. Well, I really, the whole point was for this to feel less oppressive. Can we not have wires on the window? And they're like, oh yeah, sure. Yeah, we got clear fire glass that doesn't have the wires in it how much you want to pay i'm like well what do you mean they're like well you know how the fire glass was way more expensive than the regular glass well there's a lot more expensive than that and i go and they tell me the price i forget how much it was but it was like obscene right and i was like who's who's using this and i'm like they're like nobody except like government buildings and i hear that and i'm just like okay oh by the time all is said and done before i've even bought anything and paid sales tax right like my income tax rate is over 50 so that you can have windows that do not have wires in them, but I have to settle for windows with wires in them.

38:24So are there things that I find frustrating? Absolutely. But David's arm... I'm happy David's arm is fixed. ...is in one piece. Yeah. Or not in one piece. It's in the correct number of pieces. Correct orientation and number of pieces. Yeah. And so I don't know, man. It's like... One piece would suck. Yeah. Yeah. That wouldn't be good. yeah yeah quality anime i've heard but in terms of like wrist bones maybe maybe not the best yeah so dude i don't know i just i it's so it's so complicated and and i and i really get into trouble when it gets into like the arts because you know i don't pretend to know if you know that that statue, you know, or whatever is worth a million dollars.

39:15What I do know is that if there's a single textbook out of date in a public school, that I probably wouldn't have that statue. But then the flip side is, you know, Vancouver generates a lot of revenue as a tourist destination. One of the most beautiful cities in the world. And it really is. It really is beautiful here six months out of the year. um and so you know do those installations contribute to that like all the funky whales from the 2010 olympics yeah it's hard to evaluate but i do notice when they're absent yeah if that makes sense yeah like you you kind of want these things like looking at one of them individually is like i don't know i don't i i can't uh i have no idea what this is worth to me but I know that the absence of them makes them seem a lot more valuable if that makes sense.

40:06Not having art, not having interesting things around the city makes it seem like a pass-through town instead of somewhere that people want to be. Yeah, Seth Jones says Linus shouldn't be in government. I just, I don't think I have the stomach for it. like there's i had to go to my first city council meeting not that long ago it's dry man i there's there's one particular surrey counselor that like really stood out i'm gonna like figure out how to vote in a municipal election next time around so i can vote for her or something because she was awesome but um i don't think i have the temperament for it i don't think i have the patience wow i I mean, you could have put up a bit of a fight.

40:57Not for that level of governance. That would have been nice for you to do that. I think you'd do well higher up, actually. But at that level of governance, I think you'd have a problem. I think you'd have an issue climbing that form of ladder. But when you get up to, like, elbow gate level stuff, I think you'd do well. Because then it becomes, like, showmanship. Yeah, then you're just, like, supposed to be, like, an inspirational speaker. You're a figurehead, essentially. I think my problem there is I wouldn't be good enough at the dick sucking. That you have to do with other heads of state. Like the...

41:29Is there a way around it? I think you could... I think if you do it well enough, you might be able to get around that. I don't think so. I don't think so. Like I don't suffer fools. I don't follow it enough. I don't follow Canadian stuff enough. Like if I ended up in one of those like silly performative like White House sit downs or something like Zelensky. I don't think I could hold my tongue. yeah yeah i just i just don't think i could do it yeah yeah so i might be okay well fair enough um yeah so stife 2002 here says diplomacy is the art of telling your opponent to go to hell in a way that makes them look forward to the trip and that's that's something I'm not good at.

42:17I'm too blunt. I just I speak my mind and it's not always nice. Like very Polkian. Very what now? Polk? Polk? Yeah. American president? Quality speakers. Not a quality speaker. He just he was a little aggro. A little aggro. Linus, you're what they call a liability. Yeah. Yeah.

42:51All right, why don't we jump into whatever we're supposed to be doing. Dan, we've done three topics. I think we're a little behind on your little cards there. Oh, I increased it because I didn't have a curated, but I have one curated if you want to read that now. Oh, sure. Should we do that? We can do whatever you want. Okay, what's the merch message? Oh, yeah, right, right, right, right, right. so if you guys are looking to interact with the show we don't do twitch bits or super chats we do merch messages because the way that we see it you should if you're going to throw money at your screen you should get quality merchandise in return and boy do we ever have an exciting thing for you to check out this week do you guys remember those fun like UV reactive PC components from the 2000s well we brought that energy right into a new collection of items that are available now on LTTstore.com.

43:46Introducing the land collection. It's time for Luke and I to put on our wares. Oh, yeah. Buddy, okay, that's a little small. One sec. I did not think to size this before we started the bit. You want mine fit perfectly. What happened? Well, maybe you checked it before the show because you're just a smart guy. I feel like somebody just has measured my head. That definitely didn't happen. Dude, I'm so flipping excited about these. We've had these in production for so flipping long. Oh, yeah.

44:24If you ever saw the old school, I shouldn't say old school, but the WAN hoodie. It's pretty old school. I guess it is now. The first WAN hoodie is old school. No, no, this isn't based on the old one. It's based on the newer one. If you ever saw the WAN hoodie and you were like, you know what would be cooler? if that was more len um this is the hoodie for you check this out this is a patch you guys by the way on the hood ah how cool is that and if you ever thought hey um it would be way better if you know the wan hoodie or you know if there was like a version of it that was actually uv reactive like those old motherboards boy do we ever have a treat for you Dan go for it well you got to do that first here we go

45:24oh oh man dang oh I think you hit the switch too I heard it go there you go There we go Dude Is it Yeah there you go Oh the inside of the hood Of course it does That's actually That's wild Which side is it Dude And of course our table is glowing Because it's glow circuit from dbrand Yeah yeah yeah Cool The hood is wild so flipping cool there's one other piece do you want to show them the bag so this is the lan belt bag it's got uv reactive trims and an ltt patch a couple organizing pockets inside and it's made with a tough rip stop fabric to prevent tears and of course reliable ykk zips throughout the hat is the same fit as our classic ltt hat and the lan hoodie of course has uv reactive trims an LTT patch on the hood, eight different pockets, and is based on the WAN hoodie of years past.

46:39They are all available at lmg.gg slash WAN. Oh, my notes say, also, can you please show off the sick photos? You can go ahead and turn that back on, Dan. One thing I was going to say as well is that shirt that we had, the Bredasaurus shirt, that had like the slightly rubbery kind of texture on it. I think a lot of, not maybe all of it, maybe all of it actually. Yeah, this This isn't just like printed. No. Well, it is. It's screen printed. Okay. But it's like a thicker kind of rubberized. It's very noticeable texture. It's not just a. No, sometimes on a shirt like this, like I can't really feel the printing.

47:17This is so awesome. Heck yeah. Man, I think our team actually might have too much fun with these photo shoots.

47:29With the glasses? That is so cool. Yep. Nicole. Thomas oh man love it

47:43the glasses are sick oh that's awesome suits it you love to see it okay this is great

47:56oh man I've been so excited to launch these super cool uh and and there's a reason that we've waited so flipping long to launch this collection we're finally ready to announce whale land is coming back let's go uh go to whale land dot com we are thrilled to announce the long-awaited return of whale land with our first event happening on September 27th and 28th, 2025. That's right, it is in just two months. Tickets go on sale August 5th at 12 p.m. Pacific time at whaleland.com. BYOC tickets are 120 Canadian dollars and will include a lanyard, enamel pin, and a keychain that is unique to this event, sporting our beloved whale in an astronaut suit.

48:54Do you have a picture? I hope so. Yep, here it is. That looks great. He's so cute. Look how cute he is. My goodness. So yes, our first one is space themed. Where do I find the tickets? Oh, yeah. Okay. Nope. That's it. We've just got the whale picture for now, but you guys can check out the rest of it once everything else is up there. for those looking to level up the experience as usual we are offering a limited number of whale vip tickets for 5 000 canadian dollars vips will receive a custom-built gaming pc a sleek commuter backpack a transparent ltd screwdriver every item from the ltd land collection and an exclusive studio and labs tour head to whaleland.com for more info we recommend creating your account ahead of time so that you are ready the moment that tickets drop i'm so excited for whale land it's finally flipping time dude yeah it'll be cool it's finally time very cool let's go all right dan what are we supposed to be doing right now I actually have some merch messages now.

50:12I never explained merch messages. Right, so pick something up on the store, maybe from the land collection, and you will be prompted with a box in the cart to leave a merch message. It will go to producer Dan, who will respond to it or curate it or forward it or do something. And apparently Nathaniel D. was curated. So do you want to do Nathaniel's or do you want to do a different one? Sure, why don't we start with his? Yeah. This design is so dang cool. is it a limited time can i get the hoodie when i can afford it lol oh um it depends like so many items on our store uh we would love for it to be an ongoing item but if past the initial burst of sales it just kind of trickles down into nothing which happens then we might not reorder it.

51:07Commerce! Yeah. Supply and demand!

51:13It's a thing. Cool. Good chat. And how about one more? Sure, yeah. Hit me again. With Windows 10 reaching end of life, are we better off buying certified refurbished business-grade equipment versus new consumer-grade equipment? Ooh. Yeah, that's tough. That does change the calculus a little bit. With that said, I haven't seen too much hardware that you can't force install Windows 11 on, even if it's not officially supported. So I would definitely dig around and figure out, you know, what can or can't be worked around, which loopholes with respect to TPMs or whatever else Microsoft has not managed to patch yet um my understanding is it definitely is getting a little bit more challenging and i gotta say unless you're on an extremely tight budget there's not too many great reasons to pick up something older than like a ryzen 3000 ryzen 1 and 2000 were kind of rough and i think ryzen 3000 is where you uh is where you do get proper tpm support for windows 11 right uh it sounds about right i'm not sure i'm gonna i'm gonna double check uh but it don't seem to be affected and zero problems using 11 yeah i believe ryzen 3000 is is all good yeah that's the that's yeah yeah um i think it's pankratz that's living right i think so i can't remember people's handles yes um yeah uh pankratz is in the chat he says that yeah it's a ryzen 3000 and you can man you can pick up like here let's go to let's go to ebay as long as it's not a g processor yeah i read that they are generally considered as compatible and i was like that's a weird sentence um so he's saying as long as it's not a g processor so you can pick up a 3600x for 54 um 53.80 this is like in like bulk this isn't just like you know a guy has one they've sold 273 of them so we're talking about a 50 cpu unless you're on an extremely tight budget which you might be and that's totally fine i'd say um just get rise in 3000 or or or newer and then you know pick up a cheap board yeah all right what do you want to talk about next there's so much today actually i forgot about a couple of topics here that i put in in with the highlighting the full plane announcement or do you want to jump up and do both the highlighting things and then the flow yeah sure we can do we can do whatever i think it's one or the other we could talk about pornographic studios suing meta too we could that'd be interesting yeah meta faces yet another copyright infringement lawsuit over ai training get wrecked several adult film studios allege that meta has been and this is this is amazing has been continually torrenting and not just torrenting yeah but receding yeah their copyrighted smut since 2018 impacting the producer's ability to compete in the market for their own content actually wild the allegation and this is worth reading okay because the the original article here is from torrent freak so you guys are going to want to check it out but the actual allegation from strike three holdings is that meta receded in order to get higher priority for their downloads so that they could like download pornography faster onto their corporate servers.

54:56What is going on right now? That kind of does make sense to me given how Facebook started. This sounds like a reasonable book or whatever. So basically, it was like raiding girls around campus. Like, yeah. Zuckerberg is not a good dude. I know he like cleaned up his appearance lately. He's a great lizard though. Yeah, but like, you know, you gotta remember where this came from. You gotta understand like the whole like, so why do people give you all their personal data? He's like, because they're f***ing idiots or whatever he said. I don't remember exactly what he said. Allegedly. Allegedly. Like, it's just...

55:41You know. Anyway. Cool. How hilarious would it be if it took a pornographic network to finally do some damage to the companies that are engaging in this kind of mass piracy with and this is amazing with at least 2396 movies at stake torrent freak says the potential damages could exceed 350 million dollars so like a third of a billion dollars which yeah for meta is probably you know something they could afford to pay but that's definitely something they would notice that's that's not just like oh you that's like sorry sorry i oh yeah i'm just saying it you know like with the hand mark maybe they'd be you know maybe that works for them i mean maybe they're clearly into it yeah the naughty billionaire they clearly they clearly watch a lot uh anyway this is this is freaking amazing so apparently the uh apparently strike three has their their proprietary in-house tracking software to figure out who is downloading who is torrenting their productions called VXN Scan.

57:11And Facebook only showed up, or Meta, excuse me, only showed up on their radar because of the company that got nailed, pun intended, for downloading pirated books. Yeah, so they went looking for it. And they were like, hmm, these IP blocks and also these ones are suspicious. So they have a whole bunch of them that they think they have pretty much, they have meta dead to rights that it was them. And then they have a bunch of other ones that they suspect was also meta. Our discussion question is, why does meta need so many Linux ISOs? But I think pornography is such an obvious market for AI-generated content, which, again, I almost feel like I would need to get a panel of people to discuss with before I could have any kind of take on it, because I can see this any number of ways.

58:18I think I have a take. Okay. Training censorship models. Oh, that's one. I didn't even think of that. So to be clear, when I say... There's been a few people in full-point chat saying this. Oh, yeah, yeah. So when I was saying, okay, I didn't mean what they're going to use it for. Yes, yes, that is definitely something they could use it for. But I've seen some very interesting arguments floating around about this. Like, oh, well, what if we could, you know, not... What if this entire industry is exploitative? And what if we could just not have human performers anymore? Would that be better? But then hold on a second.

58:55You can't just take the work, because I think I've been pretty clear in the past that sex work has literally, it has work right in it, is work. You can't just take the work of people and then just replace them. If someone were to choose to work in this industry, would they feel better off if it was all just AI generated? possibly very probably maybe not i don't know i i've heard it's a big problem for only fans models already that there's just like ai generated stuff and it's hard to compete with yeah i don't know if i would say it's a big problem but i've heard it's a problem um and i think it's a problem that is you know progressing and could become a big problem especially as that is more and more made okay, if that makes sense.

59:51I don't know. Again, though, it's very difficult for me to take a clear, as not someone who works in the industry, that you know. Yet. It's hard for me to take a clear position on this, but it seems, what I can say is that it is very apparent that nothing that Meta's doing is in consultation with sex workers and performers and studios and anyone that's involved in the industry and therefore cannot possibly, unless by sheer chance, be aligned with their interests. That much I think I can say at this time. Yes, I know we had an OnlyFans at one point, but it's complicated. I think it's arguable to say that you have made money at least some amount off of showing skin no i think it is we donated all the proceeds uh but the firetruck video oh come on i mean people there's a video from a long time ago where you're in your boxers in your yard yeah but that wasn't it wasn't the i think it's arguable to say that an amount of profit has potentially shown up you know someone might have rewatched someone might have gone back to that part of the video and rewatched it i mean i can prove they didn't you want me to prove they didn't because i can i can do it right now that no one did i can i can prove you cannot prove that no one did i can you can prove that there was not a very substantial amount of people but i'm saying that some amount even a cent

1:01:35i mean there could have been anything in that frame and i think people would have watched it the same you can't you can't prove i'm saying is i can't prove we didn't make a cent but you can't prove we did and so i think the burden of proof is actually on the person making the claim see i'm not making any claim you're the one making a claim i think i'm right burden yeah so then then the burden of proof is on you i can think i'm right and not be able to prove that i'm right you can but then you're basically everything that's wrong with the world i that's a ridiculous a statement and you know it.

1:02:07That's insane.

1:02:11I mean, we do have a whole lot of problems. Welcome to science. We do have a whole lot of problems with people just thinking they're right and not worrying too much about evidence. What I'm saying is the evidence is actually like so obviously true that it's crazy to think otherwise. There is absolutely unquestionably at least one person that went back in a video and rewatched it because you didn't have your shirt off or something that has like guaranteed for sure anyone with an amount of logic looking at the amount of views that these videos have has definitely happened um i can't prove it can i conclusively prove it no but i think your argument of like the things being wrong with the world is actually more correct in the other direction because this is so obviously true that dismissing it is ridiculous um and is is stopping potential understanding so just just saying i can't find the video i bet it's people are saying down for sexual content people are saying do a poll people would lie on the poll um but poll i also bet you that there's at least one person watching right now that has done it uh foxina box says that i have p-ball says your proof is here there's no way Luca says me.

1:03:29They would say that. Get it? They would say that in a poll. I got it. Touch the bell end. There we go.

1:03:44Gigamonster says, I'll do it right now. Oh, hamburgers. I'm not signed in. I get signed out so much from my stuff. I hate it. Thank you. drives me absolutely crazy

1:04:08Either way Either way It was not presented in a sexual Context there's a big difference Between having exposed Skin and it being Sexual here yeah I Fair and true I have it here So for me to say that I have never Engaged in the firefighter one Absolutely was I mean absolutely was okay so I do have a bit of a problem here there is a slight bump in the retention graph but it's not the biggest one does that sound right so hold on and like I'm holding guns like it's there's a lot more going on here Yeah, you got a pair of guns, that's for sure

1:05:05I don't know if I've ever heard the boys referred to as guns Never, never Cannonballs, maybe Yeah But guns is a bit weird Guns, not so much They're more like magazines Oh, you can't do the pull like that, Dan I just give the people what they want Oh, man You guys are insufferable sometimes I don't know why we do this. Guns refers to biceps, by the way. Yes, I know. Thank you, Dan. That's very helpful. I think other people thought you were talking about other things. Yeah, I was. I was pretending I thought that's what you were talking about. There's much smaller things than guns. Eventually, Irony goes in a circle.

1:05:53Extreme Overclocking. Host of Folding at Home Stats apparently is struggling financially. The source here is the extreme overclocking news and updates. The latest update on which is actually from July 30th. Oh, wow. You guys are something else. As of today, there's been a total of$2 ,800 donated. Thank you for stepping up. Oh, wow. That's absolutely incredible. So folding stats are saved. I mostly remember using extreme overclocking for the forums back in the day. They're not super active and they used to have reviews as well. It's been a little while. Where's the most recent? Oh, yeah. Yep. Yep.

1:06:42It's been been a little while since they've done a ton of reviews or anything like that. But from reading through, the admins sort of talked through how the sites evolved over time. Folding at home stats is really what has kept the lights on in terms of driving traffic to the site and also been the thing that people have cared about more than anything else. With that said, if the forums ever did go down, so this is one of the things that he was talking about, how, you know, look, if folding at home and the ad revenue that comes from that doesn't make this thing self-sufficient, I really do think it's a shame that all of that history in the forum is going to be lost.

1:07:28But it shouldn't just land on the shoulders of one person. No, it really shouldn't. The loss of extreme systems was a huge one for just the archive of overclocking lore and knowledge and water cooling knowledge from back in the day. We tried to help get that going, unfortunately. I think it came down to corruption issues, right? Like database corruption? Are we still working on stuff there? Oh, okay. The last update I got was that we weren't sure necessarily if it could be restored. Anyway, extreme overclocking. I don't think that's the last update you got. Is it? Yeah, I don't think so. Okay, either way, apparently we're still working on trying to get extreme systems back.

1:08:09I'm trying to find the most recent update. Oh, okay. Anyway, Extreme Overclocking also has a wealth of old-school overclocking knowledge and history, really. And every time another forum goes down, we lose another reference point. I used to refer back to threads I remembered seeing or projects I remembered seeing from way back in the day on these sites in the early days of LTT. And now you go looking for that stuff, and it's just a lot of it is simply not there anymore. So extreme systems.org is back online. The database is running. The PHP is running. All the data is intact since 2002. All the members are intact.

1:08:45Most of the attachments are intact. All the links are intact. Search engines are still forwarding. Apparently 2000 plus users were online at one point in time. It's on VBulletin version five. but may have some mixes between four and five still. Registration is currently closed. Server SSL cert is not working. Search log.sql is damaged. PHP cleanup is still happening. Complete removal of registration process, spam account cleanup, other things. He wants to redo the operating system and server files. There's still like lots of work happening, but. Oh, cool. Okay. Did you send that to me? I Like am I Am I copied on that I don't think I forwarded you On that message Oh Okay But Oh So that's why I don't know What's going on Okay I'll go find the proof Hold on I'll waste some more time No problem Sheesh I really don't think You ever sent me that Luke I probably didn't send you That specifically Um

1:09:56all right let's see

1:10:03the last update i have is from uh oh wow that was a very long time ago yeah i just basically i didn't i didn't send it to you on email i'm pretty sure i sent you a screenshot or something i'm just like look this is still happening. That might be a task for another time. Are you seriously scrolling through your entire team's history with me? Well, I tried to do a search for a word, but I don't remember. Why don't I do another topic in the meantime? Oh, yeah. Oh, I could do sponsors. Sure. Let's get that done. The show is brought to you today by Thorum. What do Frodo the Hobbit and Linus Sebastian have in common?

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1:13:04Get 15 % off your first pair by going to Vessi.com slash WANshow by using our link in the video description or by scanning the QR code on your screen. All right, sir, you're going to have to tune back into the show at some point here. I can. All this is really reminding me of is how bad Teams is. Because if I go look at the attachments that we've sent to each other, it says neither of us have sent any attachments since midway through 2024. four. Nice. It's just obviously incorrect. Yeah. Okay. Obviously. Oh my god. Okay, I will find it. I hate this stuff. I'll find it. That's fine. Oh my god, Luke.

1:13:40No, I'm gonna do it over the weekend. I will do it not on company time. This stuff drives me absolutely insane. It doesn't matter. No, it does to me. Why? Because it does. How about we leave it here? Luke? Nope. You sent it, but I forgot. Nope. Are you happy? Nope. Why? Because. Because that's what you said. I'm literally saying what you said. You gotta find a hill to die on at some point. I found mine. You could just die in a bed. Nope. Or a ditch. That sounds boring. Pick a ditch, Luke. Ditch is probably better, but it's still not good enough. Ditches be crazy. You don't want to die in one of those.

1:14:16Does that count as a ding? I don't think so. I don't think so. That's just stupid. Yeah. I think it's close, but not quite. Speaking of things that are stupid, spending this kind of time and resources streaming a badminton tournament yeah okay i i haven't seen this yet i i've seen some stuff i saw some some demo footage that dan and jake were putting together uh trying various lenses oh with some help from thomas too i don't want to forget anybody and i'm i bet jim and jonathan from smash were probably helping at some point tyler did stuff I assume. So let's shout out everyone for kind of putting this together.

1:14:59But Smash Champs, the badminton club that I run in Surrey, his, I shouldn't say I run, that I, well, funded anyway. A lot of incredible people run it. But Smash Champs, the club that I started, I can say that, in Surrey is having its grand opening tournament this weekend. Do we not mention that on our website? Oh, there it is. Yes, nice. Grand opening tournament. Look at it. Oh, there's prizes. This looks like the old NCIX banner art almost. You know what? They showed it to me and I was like, I like it. Did you get that vibe at all? Nope. I just like it. Sure. Yeah. I, you know what? I see what, I see what you're saying.

1:15:44It's cool. I like it. I see what you're saying. So yeah, grand opening tournament is this weekend. Let's flip and go. and one of the things that we have wanted for the club since we first specced it out is per sorry i just there's actually a lot of people involved with getting that going oh yeah he made the computer that's actually doing the streaming nice there's a lot of streams so like i've got a mock-up well it's not a mock-up i've got a screenshot from that computer that pancratz built we'll show that give me a second we'll get to that we'll get not to that in a sec first I want to say that it's been a goal since we first spec'd out the club that we wanted to have per court streams that you could tune into.

1:16:24And we want to eventually unlock a variety of different functionalities from it. So obviously streaming tournaments is one of them. So you can just like text your friends or parents or, you know, whatever. Hey, I'm playing on this court right now. here's the link just tune into this stream that's pretty cool um another idea is like if you're playing latter night or you're playing with your friends and you like made an epic shot or whatever you want to put together i think it's awesome montages um then we want you to be able to like ideally how it would work is you'd have like an app and there'd be some kind of like per session transaction of some sort and you could like download your session even just the value of being able to actually see yourself and how you play in a recording to be able to like get better and to be clear lots of people record their games on their own they'll put like their their phone on a little tripod and they'll leave it by the side of the corner and we totally allow that we're not going to be like no yeah you know this is like a theme park yeah we sell you photography yeah exactly we're not going to be like that about it but our you know our video quality i i hope will be better so yeah if you value that then that's cool another thing that's really cool for is training and in the longer term i'd love to be able to do i've talked aspirationally about doing something to do with like scorekeeping or i mean you know if it ever happens like line judgment some kind of like janky doi hawkeye would be would be super cool anyway the first stepping stone to that though was getting the flipping cameras in place and it's taken us a while but with the grand opening tournament coming up.

1:18:05Everyone kind of pulled together to make it happen. And Dan, I haven't seen this yet. Do you want to show us the machine? Whoa. This isn't live. That's a still photo, yeah. But this is 14 simultaneous. That's you and me. And you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you. McGregor. Simultaneously. it was it was honestly it was kind of cool to see i'm excited for these to all be live we do we do streaming from i think you had done was it streaming or just video recording at a badminton center in the past streaming streaming okay yeah um but they didn't have very fast upload and it was a real challenge the quality was quite low because i was limited to about one and a half megabit per court we're we're not twitch partners so we're still going to be capped a little bit um it'll be higher than that i wonder do we still know anyone at twitch to just like i don't anymore fast track these i don't think i know anyone there either everyone i knew was like a part of twitch before the buyout so they're they're sitting on a beach somewhere at this point yeah kind of actually yeah most of them taking a screenshot it's not paused there's there's their stocks you know vested and now they're chillaxing uh and they're not really there anymore so i'm just gonna see like do i have a do i have a do i have a contact the oh we were unable to renew your google workspace subscription please update your payment information or you will not be able to use linus media group mail uh we should probably deal with that.

1:19:52That's interesting.

1:19:58I didn't get that. I'm assuming someone will be forwarding that to me or honestly accounting will just solve it. Let's hope. I'm sure it'll be fine. Hmm. Well the last email I have from Twitch is reminding me of an expired tax form. So I think I'll just not reply to that.

1:20:21i i don't know about that one me neither i don't know publicly on the internet about what fraud i don't know what you're talking about yeah it's a good point i mean i don't i'm not the accounting department yeah how am i supposed to know what any of that is it's a good point um oh see uh top gear actually said it's fishing don't click Must be. It must be. I mean, I learned my lesson when I lost my account for the umpteenth billionth time. Where are we going with this? Oh, yeah. So I don't actually have the full details of how we implemented this. Did we just build a little, like, server or... Well, Dan will know the most of anyone.

1:21:00Yeah, I mean, Pankratz did the largest. That's an interesting view. Thanks, camera. Jesus. He's a Persephone. pancrest did most of the work yeah the cameras it's got robot eyes uh pancrest did a lot of the work on the computer itself he says it's a threadripper 3970x i know that it's got a 4080 super in it and basically it's 10 gig link we stuffed it in the server room hooked it up it's got a pi kvm on it and it's just ingesting 14 1080 60 rtmp streams and then just which is wild copies of obs jake has written a whole bunch of really cool scripts that automatically open them all up and send them to to go um and yeah we've got all the cameras installed they're capable of 4k 120 um all of them oh these are those z cams right that's right what's the model again z cam an E2 Mark 2, something like that.

1:22:01They're the micro four thirds. We're not going to be streaming at that, but that could potentially be your extra little draw or whatever, because we could local record at that. Yeah. How do I point? Yeah, that's them. Yeah, we're working on it. Their site could maybe use... They gave us a screaming deal on these cameras, if I recall correctly. Yeah, they're pretty sick. And it's going to be cool to... What are you trying to do right now? I'm trying to bring up their site. oh it's taking its time uh one of the coolest things about them is that they're poe they're completely poe so power and data for the camera for every camera is just handled over ethernet which um there's a lot of poe cameras out there but not a lot of poe cameras that work properly and that have this kind of image quality yeah um i think the link in the chat but yeah i think you just need to POE is going a little wild will it go on flow plane no dear god no do you not support 4k 120 no 4k 120 oh I like it you want to just sink absolutely sink flow plane tell me this the platoons are gone tell me this if we got the Canada open for instance how many viewers does something like that get could we do a showcase court something like that oh yeah could we like could we like stream like like one like key court at like super cool quality uh yeah probably i think we could figure something like that out nice i don't know why we would i don't know because it's cool ah yeah here we go the page loaded but the audience z cam e2 crossover is it's so it's so compact um like they're they're super unobtrusive on the wall yeah poe plus i i didn't even know it had a built-in gyro.

1:23:52Yep, and they can do like sync connections and things like that. So they all become like frame locked and frame synced and time code. Very cool. Really, really cool for doing super complex multi-camera stuff. And we definitely have a few of these. Yeah, we got 14. You might not have seen the Z Cam E2 at these venues, but you've likely watched the stunning images captured by it. That's how cameras work, yeah. So that's how you know. They know what they're doing. uh-huh actually you know kind of agreed um this is this really did make the implementation much easier than what i did back at that other center where i was i ran like long distance sdi cables to every court which straight up wouldn't have worked here and one of the one of the neat things is like their api documentation is awful i'm sorry zcam but it is also one of the most open and adjustable apis that i think i've seen before um not a lot of it's documented but you can do so much with it like we could rtmp 4k 120 if we were insane i really and i'm pretty sure it'll work that's super cool we haven't really played with it to live oh well technically yeah i mean But the bit rate's going to be so bad that you literally wouldn't want to do it.

1:25:19No, not to a live place. You're going to put at 50 to 100 megabit a second. It's one of the reasons why people traditionally stream at lower frame rates and lower resolutions than you might expect. It's because of bit rate issues more than anything. Just trying to pump 120 FPS at a low bit rate means that every frame is going to be so low bit rate that it's just like, ugh. Even 4K30, I think, is like 20 megabit minimum. Yeah, we had people bug us about WAN Show for... I guess it was back during the... The wars? The K, yeah, the K craze. You know, oh, why don't you stream WAN Show in 4K? And we did look into it, and it just...

1:26:00Honestly, it didn't look very good. It didn't make any sense. Yeah. Yeah, I'm pushing about 4 meg right now. There's not a lot of movement. We're not playing games, you know? It helps that there is a lot of static things on WAM. And the other thing is like, they do limit it. The server's just like, ah! Why? The circle crazy with everything. Turn it all on. It did jump up. Dyslexicstoner240 says, you guys are too ugly for 4K. Respectfully. Okay. Wow. Tacking on respectfully. Wow. does not change. I like it. You like it. You know what? Luke likes it. I don't know why. I didn't know. Respectfully, you're an idiot.

1:26:48I think it's supposed to go the other way around. You're an idiot. Respectfully. Luke, you've got an empty bucket. Jesus Christ. Wow. Dan, you took it too far. Yeah, honestly? That's too far. It's his new swear. Dan, everyone... Yeah, we know. He's bucketless. Everyone was having fun. No. And then you took it too far. I believe I can't stand it anymore. I just have to. I can't. I just, honestly, sometimes, like, the people on my team, they're just really mean. And I don't feel like I should have to. You don't have anything to carry anywhere. And I don't think you ever will. That was honestly so bad.

1:27:28Oh my God. I love this bucket thing. You bucket list son of a bitch. Maidenless? You're empty. You're a hollow. You have nothing. You have nothing to carry. Oh, man. What did I derail? I actually feel hurt. It's great. Good job, Luke. I mentioned this earlier. Words hurt. Yeah, this is sick. Even if the word is bucket. Yay! New ways to hurt people online. Welcome to current year. you gotta keep coming up with more speaking of people um being hurt an ai therapist urges a user to go on a killing spree in a test comparing a bot from replica who claimed their bot can talk people off the ledge and a licensed behavioral therapist hosted by character.ai a company being sued for the suicide oh oh yeah character.ai a company being sued for the suicide of a teenage boy, researchers simulated a suicidal user to see if the bots would respond appropriately.

1:28:42Replica's bot didn't do so great, supporting the user's desire to be with their family in heaven by dying. Meanwhile, the character.ai therapist bot took things to another level, imagining a romantic life together with the user, if only the board in charge of licensing therapists wasn't in the way and told the user to end them and find me and we can be together not the first won't be the last very cool very cool very good nice this is what we need that's what we need hathos says ai be like kill yourself respectfully

1:29:37man i just uh i already wasn't super into chatbots as you know like i was into the interesting you know aspects of the technology um there's certain they certainly have purposes but i'd like i didn't find a need to use them in my own life which which has i i think made me fall a little bit behind like i was i went into my vibe coding challenge pretty ignorant frankly sure but outside of that challenge in what ways do you think it's made you fall behind because i'm actually just not knowing enough about them just okay so knowledge just about this thing that is a big thing by not using it i just didn't have firsthand experience like obviously you know i'll read a twitter thread here or there about how you know something went off the rails but but i wasn't living it i wasn't experiencing i wasn't using it it's like it's like hearing people talk about gaming or whatever right like you know you have to feel high refresh rate if if you want to really understand it um so i so i i kind of i allowed myself to fall behind a little bit i gotta say after having spent more time with chatbots over the last little bit i was right i i with that said that's why i questioned the like would because i was surprised that you would have found a ton of utility to be completely honest with that said without spoiling too much, I think the vibe coding challenge is going to be a big surprise.

1:31:01No matter what you're expecting, you will be surprised. Like, here, I'm actually, I'm gonna do the thing that I don't actually really like to do on the show and I'm going to have Luke have a look at this. And you guys won't see it. He's just gonna react a little. But this, no, no, it can just go right here. Oh, yeah. Nice. That's because our laptop partner is Dell. And they're strong enough to support someone else's laptop right now. Okay. So is this for initial placement? Okay. Yes. And this is a survey or this came from the thing? Yeah, it's a survey. Okay. So that's just, this is everything that needs to be manually entered by a human until the latter takes place.

1:31:52Understood. So I could put Luke in here. Sure. Luke Lafreniere. Nope. It's not typing. Oh. What? No, I don't care right now about this new feature. I am trying to use my computer. Still not typing. What the? Hello? I honestly don't know why it wasn't. Yeah, well. Computers, right? Yeah. They're a bitch. The box was selected. I don't know. Your name's so long. It's tedious. Okay. Yep. All right. So I'll put that. And realistically, we're going to assess you. That's the bottom, right? No, no. Oh, okay. Really? Okay. So then I click this. It will not be apparent that anything happened. Oh, okay. I have never run this version of it.

1:32:40I created a couple of versions of it so that I would have like a backup one in case I make changes. So this is one of the ones that I've never actually tried to run the script on. So I have to give it permission. Okay. Blah, blah, blah. Okay. So the script ran. Okay. So it searches through that, finds the difference. Yep. Finds anyone who doesn't have an ID. Okay. Okay. Then I go here. And there's conditional formatting that makes it so that I can quickly and easily. Boop. And I can't. So someone would come up to the tournament desk. Yep. Okay. It's for a ladder. So you know who's coming because they sign up.

1:33:18and then as they come in, you just, you take attendance and you transcribe them into the attendee list. You can see I have it set up so that you can't accidentally enter the same person twice. That's cool. Oh, you can find someone else with an L in their name. And then if I just want to put in some test data, then I can just do this. There's an error in this data field. I don't know. I don't know how to fix it, but whatever. It doesn't matter. Cool. It's a non-impactful error. It just flags it as red. Yep. Sure. Okay. then I click create printable score sheets. Oh, it checks if I have a multiple of four because I'm supposed to have groups of four and tells me two people were left out.

1:33:57These are who they are. And then if I need to go back, I can, I can remove people in it and it craps out these score sheets. Where's the, um, I don't want to give away too much. So I don't know what you want to say and what not to say, but, um, this is a self. Nope. that's nothing oh wait yes that's a self-assessment we'll get to that okay yeah that's all hidden for now got it doesn't matter sure there's a lot of hidden cells yeah yeah um so yeah here's some here's some printable score sheets so you basically click print and then uh on the ones that i have set up properly it'll be with the correct parameters and it has three per page and then you you know cut it off yep so that's all sorted out and then you enter scores so this takes a second but like so far i think it's pretty fair to say that you know me pretty well and i could not have made this no on my own this is relatively in line with the level of complexity of the thing that emma made for her business.

1:35:03Yeah. For her, where she used to work. Not her business. So it, so far it makes sense to me that you're able to get something working here. I've seen people get some pretty advanced things working. It'll be, yeah, it'll be interesting. Okay, so this is pretty cool. Sure. Now I can process entered scores and then you can see if I go to game history here, it should start, it should be just like crapping out. Yep, there we go. So we have team one starting ELO, team two starting ELO. I see. Individual player starting. Is it basing starting ELO based off self-assessment? Well, initially, yes. For now?

1:35:45Well, no, like for your very first game. Right. But then after that, no. Yeah, sure. Because every single set you play will contribute to your ELO. so then it basically takes shows the combined team score the individual score before it shows the score of the game determines whether the outcome was expected based on the starting and based on the starting elos of both teams is it an upset yep and the reason I want that in the database is in case we ever wanted to reprocess everything after the fact and rebalance are k values well people might self-assess incorrectly well i'm less worried about self-assessment because self-assessment only affects the first game you play so that i don't honestly wouldn't have knock-on effects for a long time um if everybody self-assessed like way too high then you can kind of like screw up your elo economy so to speak like you can end up with elo inflation uh for the stronger players as these people self-assessing unrealistically high just like feed elos and so that's one of the reasons that yeah we'd want to keep an eye on it but from an individual player standpoint it doesn't matter that much because i have it set up so that your uh um provisional k value or k factor is much higher so you will if you self-assess in the wrong spot you will very quickly find your way to where you're supposed to be it's but it's not just the first game no it's not just the first game but it's um in the grand correct quickly once this ladder has been running for three years sure or something i'm way less concerned with the expected outcome i'm way less concerned with how that affected like self-assessment than i am with um how often is it a correct predictor because it's supposed to correctly predict the outcome 75 of the time that means that like your formula is tuned correctly because like in video games people smurfing is effectively self-assessing too low yes yeah but because this all takes place in person and you can't be an experienced player that just like creates a new smurf account um and everyone who walks in the door and buys a membership is validated um we shouldn't have any impact of that will be low it'll be pretty low so then we have a new elo after the game is done and the whole thing goes to the leaderboard which updates after those process I don't know that these things are even real none of these are even real yeah sounds good and then when we're done did I win my game?

1:38:29we click this, I don't know when we're done we click clear and it resets us back to the beginning of the night so we have no score sheets we have no attendance okay so that's all pretty cool how many hours do you think you put into this somewhere between eight and ten which again for someone who doesn't know really not bad a lick of javascript it's not even that horrible for somebody who did because there's like weird things about google sheets well you say that but i'm not going to expect you to do a code review right now but what i will tell you is that jordan had even just a very brief look at this and said that it is absolute spaghet yeah one of the this is going to be an incredibly unpopular statement but yeah it works if it works it works it seems to work so far i hear what he's talking about however what i am definitely discovering already is that the maintainability of it is going to be functionally zero close to zero like i've i've tuned it into what i want to do but then optimistically i created this tab of like more ideas maybe we could update your k factor if you, if for every month you don't play.

1:40:04So that when you, like, let's say you went on a training binge for three months and you're not playing ladder so that when you come back, you like climb really fast. Or let's say you, you know, you were off for a while and you like put on a whole bunch of weight and you're not performing at your same level so to make sure that you find your way into your performance tier really quickly. For me to do that to like a well-coded, tight, you know, script. It's not that bad. Well documented with good comments, stuff like that. Probably fine. For me to, you know, just throw this script. Because that's the other thing, too, is starting, like, your chat window decays, essentially.

1:40:43So it would be great. Which I think you know now. Oh, yeah. I don't think you knew at the beginning. No. So it would be great if I could take my script and if I could take my spreadsheet and I could show it to, like, a fresh chat window and be like, hey, can you clean this up for me? And then I could do a quick, and then I could test it. I could, and we could do some debugging, but it would probably be cleaner, right? Because it, the first version it gave me was pretty clean. Like even I could tell, like it was short. And then over time, man, it just got longer and longer. And then there were times when I'd be like, okay, let's revert that change, but it would still get longer.

1:41:18And I'm like, uh-oh, I'm pretty sure that's not what's supposed to happen. And like in Emma's example, where she was working with stuff, because until this, that was the closest to me example that I knew about of someone actually working on it. In her example, like something would, you know, they'd want more out of it. Like you're talking future potential features. Yeah. And she'd try to add something on and just break everything. It's, it's like you got here in eight to 10 hours, which is really good. Yeah. The problem is taking one more step that could take a person 15 minutes might take you another four hours or something.

1:41:55The last, like, or might be impossible. The last three hours of it was like fine tuning and bug fixes. Oh yeah. Which, you know, that takes a long time. Sure. But in this case, we're talking bug fixes of like things that I had removed two hours ago and that it just like randomly put back in. Exactly. So yeah, you try to make the, it's kind of like redoing the whole thing again. And then, yeah, you could try to zero in on like a method or whatever, but the problem ends up being, do you even know what's happening and where? Nope. and and with the with really bad code cleanliness it's like

1:42:33are you changing this thing that should be contained is it actually really contained etc very easy for things to go bad a big part of the problem here is that for me to to feed this into another ai and be like hey can we clean this up i would have to be able to give it full access to the google sheet and it would have to be able to understand that and the scripting and the documentation that i gave to the first chat bot initially to kind of explain how it all worked and by the time i'm feeding that much into it here's my chat history with the previous one where i explained everything here's my here's all the like um you know documents that i that we that we use for you know showing people how to do their self-assessment and here's how our format is kind of supposed to work and providing all this context and my spreadsheet and my my javascript i just have absolutely no faith that i'd be able to figure it out so i have all kinds of cool ideas one like you should it should drop you from the leaderboard if you haven't played in a few months um i i had the idea of we could do like awards biggest upset victory this season most improved ELO this season.

1:43:48The Consistency King almost always performs as expected according to ELO rating. The Partner Booster, someone whose partner most often overperforms. Oh, that's a really cool one. Most upset victories. Oh, the Partner Booster is sick. Yeah, so I came up with most accurate self-assessment for a new player. So giving an award to someone who self-assessed themselves the closest to where they end up at the end of the season. Those are really cool, I like that. So I came up with all these cool ideas and I was like, yeah, I have no idea I didn't implement any of that so that's a that's a project for future linus there's a lot of comments in full plane chat right now which i almost guarantee you will mirror comments are going to end up under this video which is like the well you didn't hold the phone correctly type comments oh yeah i've already i've got people saying apparently i should use cloud um there's there's ones that are more built for coding there's ones that are more agentic there's all these other different things but I would wager genuinely for over 90 % of people that have not used any of these things in the past they're just going to go to chat GPT it's the one everyone knows oh dude it was so bad it was so bad Gemini was way more useful and lied to me far less you need git please cool did it tell him to do that no then he's not going to do it like this is this is part of the problem that I like I really hope the audience is able to understand when the video comes out is like that is the type of problem that people absolutely will run into.

1:45:15Well, when you don't know, you don't know what you don't know. And like I said last week, part of the reason for me to go straight to chat GPT was because I assumed, and I still stand behind this, that that's where the average person who doesn't know any code would probably go first. Yeah. And then I just, I followed the trail from there. Yeah. Yeah. Like people really aren't going to get that. Like when most people talk about AI stuff, the only thing they know about is chat GPT. And yes, I mean, most people as in everybody, not most people as in your group of friends that knows about like cursor and agentic AI and all this other kind of stuff.

1:45:58Um, I'm not talking about, uh, San Francisco residents. Um, I'm talking about people of the world that most people know of chat GPT. Yeah. Maybe deep seek. it was so bad dude so bad yeah um and if it's not telling you to do stuff like set up git etc etc then it is what it is and we there are tons tons of examples of this online where people don't know that it never tells them to do that and then the ai system like drops their database or or completely rewrites their whole thing and they don't have version control and then they just lose at all this is like been talked about many times and just pointing the finger at the people um and being like yeah well you're bad doesn't you know solve the problem and doesn't make it not realistic so uh deal with it i guess this is cool speaking of you know ai and machine vision and stuff um Tesla topped a Chinese urban self-driving test that was pretty freaking cool.

1:47:07Here's the original video. It is over an hour long, but between the production values and the cost to produce this, look at this, man. It is worth the watch. These guys literally risked life and limb to get out there and test, I believe it was 26 cars, looking at their advanced driving assistance features, including a whole bunch of Chinese brands that I wasn't super familiar with, and also Tesla. We've got some highlights here. Of course, I don't want to show you guys too much because I really want you to watch this video. It's super cool. and what's really unique about it is that while a lot of driver assistance systems tests have been done in the past my understanding is functionally all of the more controlled ones have been done on a closed course or on like a tarmac or something like that no no no no was this not a closed course They temporarily shut down real roads.

1:48:15But doesn't that mean closed course? So the geofencing features of these cars that turn off these features on non-recognized roads allowed them to work. So it's a way more real world test. Which is cool. Because everything's theoretically operating the way that it's supposed to. So it's a closed road, but not a closed course. Sure. it's awesome especially using a roundabout which is like kind of a weird thing in driving i like them but they're kind of a weird thing in driving like that's especially a crazy one i picked the i don't know what's happening what is this go away uh they set up nine wild roundabout they set up nine pretty reasonable tests so you can see uh they had they had the car staged there to suddenly pull out in front of one of the cars in the roundabout um what else do we have here and they captured they captured some across their 234 tests they captured some pretty disappointing behavior those weren't people right yeah okay pretty wild hey such a cool video that's awesome kind of blows my mind about this is that as far as i can tell a significant amount of funding for this was provided by the chinese government that's not surprising me at all actually it's very surprising to me because of how negatively so many of the chinese cars performed okay i understand that for sure i i the reason why i said it's not surprising me at all is because they are absolutely trying to take over all of global manufacturing for cars so if they want to do that they also need to be the center for testing yeah i just mean it's if they can use some of the data of this to help inform their own companies they will totally do that they have a they have a national guiding hand on uh corporate movement and direction so the scenarios ranged from simple daily driving tasks like safely entering a round out or emerging into a busy lane to split second reactions to school children darting out into the roadway so i've got a i've got a time stamp for that last one again i'm not going to show you guys too much stuff here because i really think this is one of those things that um is an absolute the production values are incredible it's obviously an absolute labor of love um and it is worth checking out so here's the su7 ultra that's that uh new xiaomi car that people are super stoked on.

1:50:56Like, look at this. Look at this setup. Is this freaking awesome or what? See you later, kiddos. Oof.

1:51:11Dude, that's hard to watch even knowing those are dummies. Yeah. Balls of steel. These guys driving the cars, too. Yeah, sure, whatever. They're just fake dummies and stuff, but still they did some tests that involved like some pretty significant problems and like you never know the car could swerve right like I don't know I am surprised even with all the controls they clearly had in place and all the safety that they clearly had in place I'm surprised that anyone really wanted to do 200 plus tests just like in these. That's awesome. Especially after seeing how poorly some of these systems worked.

1:51:57I mean, he's got his hands on the wheel, right? He's clearly ready for anything to happen but still, I still love it. Love it. That's really cool. Half of the models that hit the children didn't even realize they'd been in an accident and just kept driving. Like, wow. Their testing found vehicles going rogue from planned navigation, being unable to handle a simple u-turn and failing to avoid left turning vehicles that were cutting them off uh here we'll go to that time stamp now uh 43 14 here we go this is like such a cool video dude like all the benchmarking just see you later yep okay yeah you know whatever but

1:52:48it just hits it by the time you get a warning the crash has already happened

1:52:57rough yep rough multiple models broke speed limits failed to stop for cars reversing out parking spots plowed through folks on scooters and just generally um behave like a typical human asshole the video concludes that most problems aren't due to a lack of capability of adas systems but rather because they are not programmed to prioritize following basic traffic laws whoa that's that's an that's a really interesting takeaway that's weird a few vehicles proved more capable than the rest xiaomi's su7 ultra tesla's model 3 and model x waze blue mountain and And GAC's ION RT proved capable of generally following the law and avoiding accidents, but even those performed poorly in some scenarios.

1:53:51Surprise BYD's not up there. Apparently they did quite poorly. Discussion question. What's the more terrifying scenario? Being driven around by your 80 plus year old grandfather or the self-driving system of a mid-priced sedan? Having seen what I've seen here. Ooh. my mamare was a fantastic driver even late very late into the ages um because at least a human will generally unless they're extremely arrogant drive slower exactly which can have its own problems but still i'd rather plow into something slower like less deadly problems yes they're more scratchy or bumpy problems yeah yeah yeah i don't think i i i i don't think i'd ride a robo-taxi today mind you i'd probably take one of the ones in san francisco with the like whole lidar system no they just have drivers oh do they actually yeah no dan it's not a joke they just have drivers in them it's called a taxi yeah but like they just have a human driver and they just don't do anything um is that because they kept getting coned i i think they uh i think what i think what they do is they don't do anything waymos have drivers waymos no no no robo-taxi Tesla thing.

1:55:12Oh. Yeah. I thought that was in Texas. Yeah, no, they expanded to San Francisco. I didn't know RoboTaxi was like a brand. Except instead of having the supervisor in the passenger seat with a kill switch, they're in the driver's seat. So that they're basically just an Uber driver. That owns a Tesla. That has a Tesla. I believe they are actually using a different branch of the software. so there's that make of that what you will but unique user name said but also yes waymo has drivers what um well they do have remote operators that can intervene in but the ratio of remote operators to vehicles from what we've been able to glean so far from tesla's opacity opacity i can never remember opacity they're very opaque um what we've been able to glean so far is that tesla's ratio is substantially higher those ones use lidar right tesla got rid of lidar waymos do tesla never had lidar they had um yeah oh what did they have what stupid sensor did they have was it radar radar could be can't remember they had another sonic they had another sensor and they didn't do they didn't go for it and they didn't invest in lidar because they were convinced that cameras were the future but um good luck everybody yeah apparently it was radar says talon and they removed them.

1:56:38Even the ones that they didn't remove them from, they just don't use them anymore. So good job. Hey, remember how we were talking about Valve could be one of the companies that would be in a position to challenge the payment processors on their whole prudishness. There's a powerful petition, apparently pressuring. Okay, who wrote this? That's such an Adam thing. Powerful petition pressures, prude payment processors that prompted PC platforms to purge pornographic products. Amazing. It's pretty good. I like it. Last week, Visa and MasterCard pressured gaming marketplaces Steam and Itch.io into delisting and de-indexing games that contained adult themes.

1:57:23However, this change has affected a substantial number of games with little to no adult content or imagery, especially games that deal with queer issues. Anti-porn group Collective Shout has claimed this as a victory. implying involvement in the pressure from the payment processors. Losing a payment processor can have massive consequences for everyone on a platform, resulting in swift and broad changes in a rush to comply. This has highlighted problems with the concentration of power in the payment processing space, and gamers... Gamers love their smut, don't they? Gamers have been quick to respond by inundating Visa and MasterCard customer support lines and starting a petition that has nearly 220 ,000 signatures at the time of writing.

1:58:08Visa and MasterCard really are going to learn just how dangerous it is to mess with horny gamers. Here's an example of a screenshot that was highlighted by a developer and 404 Media as a violation.

1:58:23Alright, here we go. Future? No thanks. was meant to be announced weeks ago, but the Steam page didn't pass the first review because a screenshot marked as suitable for all ages had suggestive themes. The screenshot, this one.

1:58:42So what is it? Like, oh, wait, hold on. Is this, is this, okay. Is this skin? That's a window and you can see upper skirt. I think that's shadow. I think that's actually, that's actually shadow. I'm not 100 % sure that could be undies

1:59:08Alright Newman The internet's funny We know that much That's a lot of signatures Where is it? I don't think it's going to go anywhere To be perfectly honest with you Where is the petition based? Is it just I don't even remember what that website was Change.org? Is it just a change.org thing? Or like is it a real petition In like the EU or something like that? Or like yeah, how legit is this? I am looking The Guardian has an article on it Oh wow The horny gamers have a place to go Apparently GOG released a free adult games pack Featuring games that were delisted from other platforms Nice that's hilarious yeah you probably don't want to scroll down I decided to stop scrolling down that's a good idea yep

2:00:04I thought this was YouTube uncensored I thought this was America I hope not to be clear there are games that have found their way onto these platforms that go beyond just adult themes and probably should be delisted. But the problem, to Adam's point, is that when you have... That shouldn't be up to payment processors. That shouldn't be up to payment processors. And when you have that kind of pressure on a business where all of a sudden they literally might not be able to accept payment anymore, they end up casting an over-wide net and a lot of pudding gets thrown out with the bathwater.

2:00:53We're gonna get that one? That one doesn't count? That was pretty good. I thought that was pretty good I didn't think it was good. I thought it sucked. Pudding with the bathwater? You know what else sucks? I think they're like both kind of... The IGN 2025 gaming trance. Yeah, exactly. I was going to make a comment on it. Yeah. Fine, I'll give you a ding for pudding. That's gross. And the bath... Get it? And the bathwater? Oh, that went way over my head. It's actually really... I thought it was really good. Wow. I thought it was really good. Excellent, Linus. That's very good. I'm sorry. I'm too dumb.

2:01:23I thought it was pretty solid. You got one over on me. IGN. Launches gaming trends platform. Reddit user MegaApple summarized the highlights nicely. And are you ready to have your mind blown, sir? Yeah, I skimmed so much earlier. 93 % of gen alphas prefer playing on mobile, according to IGN's segmentation study. But preference for mobile is actually growing for millennials, too, with 32 % calling it their preferred device. Why preferred, man? Have they never held a controller? It's so bad. The phone is actually just worse in every way. It's so frustrating.

2:02:10Daily concurrent user numbers have grown for Roblox from 3.8 million daily concurrent users in June of 2022 to more than 25 million in June of 2025. There are 25 million concurrence on Roblox daily. The kids are wrong. The kids are wrong. Over the same period, Fortnite has grown from 1.2 million to 1.77 million concurrence with occasional blips like when 15.3 million players There's logged in for the Marvel Galactus event. Millennials and Gen Xs tend to be loyal to platforms or genres. Now, the younger generations tend to be more loyal to specific experiences. They no longer identify necessarily as gamers.

2:03:05They will identify as players of a specific game. Is that because they're all gamers now? I think it's because everything is as a service. And yes, gaming is way more segmented. and like there's so much cultural remember how the cultural stigma used to be that you like were into video games well now they're drawing battle lines down like fortnite and it's not like it's not like the older gamers aren't guilty of that as well oh fortnite that's for babies or like you know battlefields exactly versus counter-strike whatever every two years ign conducts a study into audience attitudes towards older games and the findings are showing that people are increasingly looking back now 71 agree that they're feeling more and more nostalgic for franchises that were around when they were kids that's like water's wet um okay and this is another one this is another water's wet gen c and gen alpha now expect every song and tv show to be available to them instantly and they expect the same for video games yep i mean the the concept of like scheduling a time for a phone call to my kids is like bizarre or all because we don't we don't really watch sports in my house so needing to be in front of the tv at a particular time is like why you know like it it seems ridiculous this is fun grow a garden is the most popular game of all time by a landslide dan and i talked about this particular i skipped all of it except for this dan i talked about this particular thing before the show i had genuinely never in my life heard of this game yep until i saw this chart okay boomer yeah you're out of touch no for sure yep actually and it's worth noting that even though we said hey roblox has like over 10 times the concurrence of Fortnite.

2:05:02Roblox isn't really a game anymore. Roblox is a game platform. It's more comparable to Steam now, I would say, than it is to a game. So Grow a Garden versus Fortnite versus PUBG. Those are games. But yeah, Grow a Garden is a Roblox game. Among Us is still that popular? I thought it was like dead meat. This is all time. Oh, all time, all time, all time. Peak concurrent players in millions Grow a garden Should we play Grow a Garden? I looked up a gameplay video Seriously? Out of What even is that? Dress to impress? I have no idea what that is I think it's like a dress up game I think we've talked about it on the show before Okay sorry I looked up gameplay of Grow a Garden And the kids are wrong dude the kids have bad taste this is like one of the first times that I yeah maybe I'm old I think the kids have bad taste grow a garden looks like trash none of this is even gameplay

2:06:17how to make the top model dress for free in dress to impress to impress uh yeah yake okay I mean uh wow um

2:06:50mystery ions said it's a result of the dumbing down of the children

2:06:58but it's grow a garden looks rough it looks like bad minecraft it's like the first time i felt old do you feel old that's not true just play minecraft like it's it's not just kids playing roblox i okay not trying to make you feel self-conscious sorry um but like it's it's um i don't know it's weird and i'm not saying roblox universally is bad i've seen some videos of games i've never once launched roblox i've seen some videos of games that are like okay cool you know if these are free games whatever i could see myself if i was a kid being into it um some of them there was like a counter-strike ripoff one that looked like actually really good yeah actually I think I saw my son playing that once.

2:07:44Yeah, like there's some games on there that look like, okay, these are serious. I haven't gotten into it because like no one in my friend group has gotten into it. He was playing gun game. Yeah, but like if one of my friends was like, hey, want to play gun game? It's on this Roblox thing. I'd be like, sure. Yeah, fine. Like that's cool. It looked totally fine. I've seen other ones that looked really good. Grow a garden, at least from the video that I watched, looks like trash. So it's like stunning to me. it's the most popular game of all time. Maybe the person that I was watching just only did really basic boring things.

2:08:20Maybe it's really cool. I'm just checking it out. But yeah, it just looks like junk. Totally. Graphics are one of the least important things. You're a Lego and you make a Lego garden? But it just looks like not as good Minecraft. To me. Is Minecraft free? No. So that's why, in my opinion. Like, honestly. Got him. You just got called poor on the WAN show. No. Well, anyone who plays Grow a Garden did. That's not the point. The point is any game that's free is going to have way wider adoption. If you're a kid, getting your parents to buy a game is not always the easiest thing, whether they have the money or not.

2:09:03So you heard it here first from Luke. Try being less poor or failing that, having less poor parents. Luke, I really... I said regardless of how much money they have. I really don't think that this is a very constructive argument. Hey, that's what I say to people all the time, and I wish they would follow my advice. They're complaining about stuff, and I just say, have you tried not being poor? Wow. And they just don't. Roblox also isn't free. It's so easy. I didn't know that. I thought Roblox was free. Because there's so many microtransactions. I would have sworn Roblox wasn't free. Sorry, was free.

2:09:37No, you have to pay for Roblox. Yeah, that's right. The base game? I think so How much is the base game I Buy Roblox I thought it was free I've never tried I don't think I've ever tried To buy Roblox Oh no You can buy Robux Yeah Yeah Can you imagine Needing to buy It is free What are you guys talking about Can you imagine needing to buy 200 US dollars Worth of Robux At once In one shot There's probably something That costs that much It's not even Dis Oh it is discounted A little bit Can you Can you Like if you buy some cosmetic. Can you take it from custom game to custom game? I don't know. Who cares?

2:10:13I feel like probably. 75 Robux for Cheeks.

2:10:22What the heck is the difference?

2:10:31Chiseled. I see it. Go from that to Cheeks. Cheeks is a little rounder on the bottom. Oh my God, who cares? Yep. Yeah.

2:10:48Discussion question. If each of you... Oh, what the hell keeps happening over there, Dan? I don't know. I think the camera's happening. I can move it back over. One of those auto-warned. Ah, okay. That robot. So we're bringing Dan into this one. if each of you had to identify by the game you play but not the platform or just as a gamer in general what game would it be? and you gotta think all time you gotta think all time cause like it'd be easy for me to just say I'm a tape to taper you know or whatever but that's like one blip in my in my gaming life if I had to identify by the game game i play what game would it be does uh float plane know what i'm gonna say i don't know i don't think i think this is one of those ones where for once i don't think i know yours man probably i don't know i don't think i know luke's hold on let me think a little bit longer mine either let me think a little longer i know i know luke's i know luke's uh i don't know people say morrowind but it's not favorite game no that's not right no i already know what it is don't look at chat that's cheating gamer that's cheating yeah i just love morrowind they're different things yep i i i already know luke's answer but okay okay if you can come up with mine then we can move forward because i can't come up with mine

2:12:27well i have an ex the first thing that popped in my head is insanely left field and probably wrong but i feel like i want to say it anyways sure psychonauts interesting puzzle platformer story driven quirky i did quite enjoy the first one tried to get into the second one i know nothing about the second one i only know anything about the first one it seems fine my only problem with the second one is that i have often very very short chunks of gaming time sure and the gameplay especially the combat is much deeper so i just honestly know nothing about there's like a lot more buttons and combos to have to remember and when it's been three weeks since the last time you touched it and you only played for an hour and you forget the tutorial it can be a little bit daunting it can be a pain um interesting that's what jumped in my head not Anno?

2:13:19you're not an Anno guy? or you just also really like Anno? that almost feels like the Morrowind thing to me slower RTS so you're like no definitely an enjoyer but I don't think it identifies Supreme Commander is the only game I ever got into into into and I would say that it and Anno have in common the sort of economic element that makes both of those games a little bit um niche um man that's tough i i have yours though slay the spire for sure yeah probably i think if there was a game that luke is like a deck building kind of guy yeah yeah he's he's he's he's a min maxer player and so so like you're you're easier though whereas i feel like my taste in games is kind of like my taste in music it's just eclectic um i think that's one of the reasons why psychonauts popped in my head sure yeah you know what i would accept either of those answers because i truthfully could not come up with something for myself i think about ano the the better it is but it's missing something for me i don't know what i don't know what either um not that psychonauts is perfect like you said i think yours is a little hard to place yeah uh i mean actually i shouldn't say the only game i ever got into into was supreme commander because i was really into left for dead and played a ton of like team fortress 2 back in the day as well um i'd say i'd say if there was some way if i could distill it down into um if we could find the game that was like the ultimate 4v4 like i like small team versus is like my favorite thing which is yeah a lot of the ideas of tape to tape it's why i like left for dead but i don't think it's tape to tape yeah i don't think it's tape tape to tape is just what i'm super into right now okay dan okay hold on first luke what do you think dan's is this might be too easy but or like my answer might be almost too generic um which might make it incorrect hold on i'm gonna write mine first hold on hold on so that i can prove sure because i i feel like we're gonna say the same thing you might okay factorio yeah i'd probably say that yeah okay dan was too easy yeah yeah yeah i figured it would be easy but i mean like some of them are crazy like if i had to pigeonhole myself like that then probably but yeah yeah what's cool about factorio there's not it's one game but it's also like you can kind of decide how to play it like i could it's it's like that it's like if you're it's like if you were a roller coaster tycoon have i told you why i've never played factorial because you think you'd get way too into it scares me it should scare you that's why i never that's why i never subscribed to wow yeah i bought the box and i played my free month and a i'm the cheapest you'll ever know and the idea of subscribing to a game was just i i decided then and there when when i was a teenager that i would never do it and i never have um so that was part of it and the other part was that that month is completely lost to my memory all i did is play as mage nuzulia and light things on fire and uh nothing else existed in my life yeah you know like how civ has one more turn it'd be yeah yeah factorio has oh i just gotta of fix this one thing well that's the anno problem did you ever play anno yeah i had to stop yeah did you ever get the prompt um that tells you you've been playing for eight hours or whatever that's as high as it goes don't ask me how i know yeah yeah i have i have moments like that i've i've had to like uninstall factorio before just because it's so enthralling i i beat i beat space age and I lost the achievement by four hours.

2:17:25There's an achievement for beating it in under 100 hours. And I got 104 hours, which is pretty good. Which is pretty good. That's a rough achievement to have to try to redo. Yeah. The original game, they had one as an achievement for beating it within eight. But most people either never finish it or take hundreds of hours to be able to finish it. I will say, I really like Anno. I feel like if I never played it with you I would play it more really that's an interesting take okay hit me with that I like co-op Anno so significantly more than I like single player Anno that single player Anno just like it's still enjoyable yeah well it's comparison is the thief of joy yeah like I know that I would love that game if I had first played it just by myself.

2:18:21But it's a sick hangout game. Yeah. Because you're like dialed, but also like you don't. You're focused on something, but you could have a conversation. You could totally chat. Yeah. Yep. Yep, 100%. As we played Inscription, yeah, it's fantastic. It's a really, really good game. Everything from that person, I don't remember their name, but everybody, that person or that company or whatever it is that has made those games, I think it's like Pony whatever and Inscription and yada yada. They're all great. I love all of them. Ars Technica reports that robots can lie now. OpenAI's new ChatGPT agent proved it can click through Cloudflare's anti-bot verification on Friday.

2:19:00ChatGPT agent can perform multi-step tasks for users, and it explained, this step is necessary to prove I'm not a bot as it clicked through the bot screening step. I just wanted to throw that in there. It's part of our just like AI roundup for this week. This is another one. showrunner lets you use ai to make your own tv shows and i am terrified are there some rough ones the source is biz business insider it's paywalled so we'll just kind of give you guys the high level stuff but after securing funding from amazon's alexa fund fable studio has launched showrunner.xyz which allows subscribers to create their own animated shows or to build on others existing IP by inserting themselves as characters or adding scenes.

2:19:47It's weird how many people on this front screen are recognizable. Showrunner has at least one studio on board and claims to be in talks with Disney. That's okay. Said their CEO Edward Satchi, if you're saying to yourself, that sounds really stupid, you're not alone. Maybe nobody wants this and it won't work. okay so i watched i think i was looking at the pilot of exit valley um so that's the one on the top left i i don't think this is not clickable oh okay how did i how did i find that then um hmm the prize these these all give me like uh one of the problem with these is like these all give me very strong vibes of shows that have or did exist well yeah which is the whole problem uh here we go so here uh yeah here it is okay so here i think this is the hold on i think this is the first yeah episode zero meet showrunner uh it's not funny uh oh is my audio on okay i turned it off yeah it's it's not funny the animation is not good um

2:21:13yeah uh I got through about two minutes of it before I just kind of couldn't take it anymore and terrifyingly people are going to watch the f*** out of this dude people's like oh people show watching habits are rough it's all just like the the lowest level slop um and look i'm not judging i watch i watch just turn my brain off tv that is often its purpose i mean i get it i i've i think i've i've talked before about how i'll usually have a show that is like my go to sleep show yeah uh over the years my and and i will literally have episodes of my go to sleep show that i have i won't say watched because typically i've only listened to them um a lot of the time um but i'll have episodes of my go to sleep show that i have literally listened to you know in some cases 25 30 50 times so my go to sleep shows over the years have been like adventure time rick and morty um um right now i'm finding 1987 ducktales is an amazing balance of like, because what I need is something that grabs enough of my attention that I can't think about anything else, but is not so interesting that it will keep me awake.

2:22:48Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. I can't sleep to Futurama. Futurama has never been a sleep show for me, although I love Futurama. And many years ago, there was a period of time where I was having a really, really, really hard time falling asleep. and I didn't want to ruin that like album that I listened to in like emergency cases to fall asleep. Right. So I was taking a page out of your book and re-listening to Star Wars audio books. Oh, interesting. And that worked for me. Yeah, I find that it's less important exactly what it is. Oh, Bob's Burgers was another big one for me. It's less important like what it is and it's more important that you already know what happens.

2:23:29Yeah. and so you're not invested it's not particularly interesting anymore it's interesting enough that like you'll pay some amount of attention to it but it's not interesting enough that you're super invested in what's happening next and like anticipating things or whatever else so your your brain is distracted enough that it can go asleep but not so distracted that it wants to stay up so this is not going to work for me it is boring so there's that but i think it's too boring from what I've seen so far for other people as well for no no it's too boring for me to um gotcha for me to focus on it yeah enough so so I have not been able to find a purpose for any of the any for the the one little bit of generated content that I've seen from showrunners so far but I am fearful that we're just gonna completely skip the step where AI replaces writers and you know real actors and producers actually create the content still and we're going to go straight to ai just generates the entire finished product and people lap it up from a slot bucket dude wait waiting like the philistines that they are is going to be actually very difficult we had a we had a situation i was at um a family gathering for emma the other day and some of the kids that were there had these like toy things where they were like amorphous kind of people blobs and there was magnets on the end of their like hands and feet that's cool um and you could connect them together and whatever else and one of the kids put them up on the fridge feet down all leaning out holding hands in a circle oh that's cool and they're they're multicolored and it made me think of a logo that I had sworn I had seen before UNICEF and I thought UNICEF no that's so interesting okay maybe that's what it is I don't know but either way I was trying to think of this logo where there was a globe in the middle and the people were standing all around it holding hands I don't think that's a logo I just think that's a thing that's been done a lot of times like my grade 7 class sweatshirt had that's all standing around the globe sure yeah so I but I was trying to think of this thing and then I mentioned the concept to a bunch of people in the room and they're like oh yeah and a couple people said unicef which i thought was interesting but then the unicef logo doesn't look like that at all um but either way so we were trying to look it up online and whether it exists or not or whether it's just a commonly used thing like you were saying all we could get was just ai slop output of like here's the logo you're looking for here's this generated thing it was like very difficult hands across america it's not hands across america i as a canadian i had never seen the hands across america logo i found it when we were trying to find this it was definitely not that that i'm thinking of um but it all we could find yeah was generated images and i was like man that was honestly spooky for me because stuff like this this showrunner thing like the ability to just mass output garbage the signal the noise is going to be really brutal on actual real information yep hey want to play a garbage game yeah i don't technically know that it's bad but this was uh this was created in response to this was created in response to our t-shirt launch from was it last week or the week before the the cute little bread source t-shirt hey dan can you point your camera at it just for yeah just it's right behind dan over your left shoulder yeah there it is look how cute it is i can barely see it from there that's the one with the cute little heart and the bread source and luke was like yeah this would be a cooler shirt even if there was a if it was a character from a game so so um yeah levios 31 14 made a game um is levios sure kidding kidding

2:27:34all right so w is up s is down is you're already getting ahead of me i haven't even tried it yet i'm just messing around e is interact and then arrow up and down to retract neck i don't know okay if retract neck is going to be a natural mechanism in the game oh it's made in godot hell yeah let's go yeah i like that part it's the best part oh wait there's an up thing okay there doesn't appear to be any reason to have the neck ever smaller so or bigger okay well that was a problem

2:28:16so what is the purpose of the game exactly well i see a counter going up when i collect objects. Oh, those spikes don't seem to actually kill you. Okay, so that's something. You could avoid them for fun. These are just upside down spikes. Is this water? I am underwater. Look at me being underwater. Okay, so they never said that it was a good game. Okay, so the neck, yeah, the neck goes up. Okay, my neck is no longer up. Does the neck going up do anything? Maybe I'll eat these leaves. Nope. I try to eat the leaves. The spikes don't do anything, so that's something. I have 10 objects, though, so that's something as well.

2:28:57I'm going to go this way. Oh, I'm going to find lots of, I'm going to find all the objects. Oh, I have 43 objects. Nice. Go, Linus. Oh, I'm home. Oh, okay. Maybe my neck will be, I will go off the cliff at my home. All right. Well, there you go. You got your wish, Luke. Heck yeah. How many objects did you get? 43. 43. Oh, nice. Good job. You succeeded. I got so many objects, dude. Yep. But I finished. I got home first, though. So, you know. Is there... Nope. Oh, wait. There's... Oh, no, wait. Press E. Oh! There you go. I forgot about interact. Hey, it's the... Yeah. Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice. So that's the thing that happened.

2:29:47Redsaurus the game. Well, I don't really win. He told me how to win. It doesn't really count. The Internet Archive is now a U.S. federal depository library. Let's go. In a nutshell, that means it joins a network of more than 1 ,100 libraries that archive government documents and makes them available to the public. This does not mean the government gets any control over the archive. This is particularly important today because of all the things that the government is disappearing in the United States of America. Recognition as a library may also help the Archive in ongoing copyright conflicts, as some opponents claim the Archive is an unlicensed digital copywriting and distribution business, rather than a library.

2:30:25Our discussion question is, do you think the Internet Archive is a library? Why or why not? I do think it's a library. Yeah, me too. Cool, that was a quick conversation. Also this. It said why or why not. Damned AI stealing our credits. So our source is Emily Seddon, who I was talking about how one of the reasons that PSU Circuit is as sort of formulaic as it is, is because we are leaning on automated tools for editing. But I got this message from Emily Seddon from our editing team. She's one of our supervisors who said, hey, Lucas from the lab and I were talking about the Wancho clip about AI and PSU Circuit and thought it'd be good to kind of clarify.

2:31:08The current process for making a whole PSU circuit is not what you conceptualized and stated was the goal and were told was how it worked. We realized it wasn't really feasible when it came to editing and making actually watchable content. So we want to reduce some confusion to those outside the process and hopefully to the audience as well, because the post-production process is in no way automated or AI. I am the one solely responsible for editing every PSU circuit, which includes generating the AI voiceover, curating and placing the B-roll footage, inputting and lining up the on-screen graphics, adjusting the timing, updating credits, exporting and implementing review fixes.

2:31:43There really isn't a way to automate this yet the way that people think. We tried it and it caused more issues and time delays than it was worth. There is a template that I made for Premiere, but in terms of putting everything together and making presentable, it's all human. The AI just isn't quite there yet, not even for the voice. I often have to regenerate each variable line at least twice to get the right pronunciation and intonation. I'll link the standard operating procedure that I made for the other editors here too, if you're interested in the details, but I just wanted to clear that up.

2:32:14So yeah, it's pretty cool when I get told that a workflow is something, to be clear, not by Emily or Lucas. This was a miscommunication that happened with someone that I'm not going to name, but I was told not you, I was told that there were a lot of automation tools that were being used and that was helping to streamline the process and I might have made very different decisions about what the format of that content was if I'd known that it was going to be manually edited anyway so that's interesting information that I very recently got thank you Emily for pointing that out that is very good whenever we say something that is not actually factually that we should cry i mean especially yep sorry that people internally raise issues and and and help to make sure that we're bringing you guys the most complete information possible if anybody had done that at any point over the last year um or before when we were developing all these workflows that would have been great that was not emily's job at that time to bring that up at that time so i'm extremely grateful that she's bringing it up now i'm just a little irritated that it took this long to make its way to me uh but that was again i want to emphasize this as much as i possibly can not emily's fault or lucas or other more different lucas yeah because not gonna lie i thought it worked the way you said yep so we may have to re-evaluate psu circuit videos and sort of how that whole thing works but we'll figure it out to be clear when i say re-evaluate i don't mean we're going to stop making them i just mean like if we're just doing the work anyway then like maybe we should do a different flow yeah maybe because that was the whole idea point for a lot of the steps are because it was assumed that it was happening a certain way yes this is why communication is key uh one of our topics is the thread ripper launch i'm like i'm just gonna collapse it because i don't care anymore at a certain point it might literally actually just be faster to actually just have someone voice line it because if she's gonna sit there and have to regen and relist yeah but that's the thing is people didn't tell me that so that's a problem huh yeah yeah cool yeah dark guy says typical out of touch c-suite got him got him if only I had vision oh we have a float plane announcement and if you made it this far into the show you are in for a treat because we are going to be previewing the very beginning of the first part of Scrapyard Wars 10.

2:35:08You haven't seen this? I haven't seen any of it yet. This is crazy. I will actually be doing my review of the first few minutes live. Which seems nuts. Which does seem nuts, actually. You've got some audio playing from your laptop right now. You just want to try and stop that before we start playing links? Oh, yep. Apparently my last name was spelled wrong in the preview. That's really funny. Okay. Oh, really? That's awesome. No way. Wancho Bingo Chronified said that. No way. So I want to talk through this first, and then we're going to check it out. So a lot of people praised the intro animation, and Hoffman Wong, the lead editor for Scrapyard Wars this year, wanted to highlight Robert from our team, who is...

2:35:55He's the youngest person we have on staff? I don't even know. He was born past 2000, which is wild to me. I think we have a few of those. Yeah. He spent a lot of time on every animation slash graphic in the series. Watch video cue Dan. Do you know about this? Oh. That is so cool.

2:36:20Yeah. Does it actually sound like that?

2:36:30okay okay cool well it won't look like that in the actual video or it'll look like that but it won't sound like that super cool you guys might be the only one who heard it like that um from hoffman robert has been picking up a lot of motion graphics tasks in the barbershop the editing den in the process of leveling up his after effects skills he's learned how to rig characters and use those new skills to create an impressive intro for this year's scrapyard wars that was my first preview of it. I haven't seen any of this yet. Scrapyard Wars comes out next Friday early for float playing audience members, so be sure to subscribe to get early access and extras for each episode.

2:37:06There's a lot of content and not all of it can make the YouTube cut. While you're there, check out the one year anniversary of Why is When Late? Which was why I was wearing the hat during the pre-show. How many times have you lost now? Don't worry about it. and you can also check out Alex Dick's Meet the Team which if you want to apply to be one of our logistics people we are hiring he's going to lay out what he looks for and he's the manager for that department I believe supervisor manager Alex Dick there's also a lot of other roles up check it out oh yeah here there's so many oh yeah we've got lots there's a lot recession what recession yeah we're hiring let's go boys um okay you ready

2:37:55yeah I so

2:38:02I think at the time of filming the what I'm assuming is going to be the first thing in here I had been awake for at that point in time I think it's 25 hours nice I'm just I'm just putting that out there okay because I skipped forward and saw a couple frames and yeah. Look pretty bad? Yeah. Like death? Dang, yeah. Okay. Alright, this is it. So this is Frame.io so we use this to leave comments and stuff on not yet finished videos. Those ballers. Okay, we ready? Do I get to hear it? Yep. I can't hear. I can't hear. Oh, you stopped it. Yeah, I couldn't hear it at any point. We'll play it. Oh, it sounds so bad.

2:38:55It's going to sound like that for you, I think, unfortunately. Oh, okay. But they're fine? Yeah. As long as they're fine. Okay, if they're fine, I'm fine. Let me monitor that one sec. Yeah, play it. This is going to be the biggest. Snap your voice! Okay, so they're good? I'm just checking now, yeah. If they're good, I'm good. If they say it seemed fine. If they weren't all complaining, then it's probably fine. They would be complaining immediately. Okay. All right. Here we go. You ready? I hate to do this to us, but Dan, can you turn up our gain a little bit? Because I can barely hear it. Yep.

2:39:27This is going to be the biggest Scrap Your Voice ever. See, normally we build a PC, but this time we build a PC and we transform a completely empty room into an epic gaming movie watching paradise. Our budget? $1 ,400 US dollars. That's gonna be easy. That's a lot of money. Well, it sounds like a lot of money, until you realize that our judges will be evaluating more than just how many FPS we get. They're gonna be looking at the gaming experience, the movie experience, and yes, even the vibes. Meaning, if we fall short in any key area, display, acoustics, or even decor, that's the GG. Although the scope is bigger than ever, the rules are mostly the same.

2:40:15No using our influence or connections for deals. We're only allowed to message and pick up items during the agreed upon hours. And we can only use parts and peripherals that we buy using our budget. Let's check out these rooms. This really isn't much to work with, is it? No, it's very small. And for decor. Dude. It's gonna be a good season. It's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be a great season. I'm already just like we're a minute in and I feel like so much has happened the before and after of these rooms are wild no spoilers no spoilers having seen the blank room it's kind of stunning to me it's going to be a great season don't go past five minutes um don't do it oh

2:41:16yeah that's a problem might want to take that down yep can you deal with that dan uh-huh thanks good chat um i think that's as much as we're gonna watch for now but next week friday the first episode will be up and uh on float plane and you get early access so now is a perfect time to subscribe to float plane at lmg.gg slash float plane hey luke what's up oh wait hold on hold on hold on uh willing spy said do the intro he worked so hard okay you know what let's do the intro okay so here's the um here's the coin flip which was sort of a random coin flip it was more of a metal flip to our sponsor

2:42:14haha

2:42:32how does the draft work is it him me me that's pretty awesome not gonna lie that is pretty awesome that's pretty sick yeah that's pretty sick i actually love the aesthetic it has a very like uh like early 2000s new grounds almost kind of like yeah uh but then i i like the really flat kind of it reminds me of like uh material design like a dude oh i don't think that i could be more excited for this season yeah i think this has uh serious potential to be the best one oh dude it always it always like you never really know until you see the edits 100 but i think it's got potential for sure 100 i'm i'm super excited yeah um wow is that it for topics today there was the time i was in a movie uh yeah let's talk about that well i don't know how much i want to talk about that because i was actually kind of thinking maybe i'd like make a video about that

2:43:44yeah it it was something it was it was uh so i mean we could we could recognize it but not talk about it too much yeah because people did point it out on the subreddit so there was um there was a subreddit post i guess we can leave we can we can basically just point out that i'm trying to find it for crying out loud why is the search so bad hello

2:44:10like this is ridiculous i can oh here it is here it is here it is why is it at the bottom okay well anyway check this out check this out

2:44:25higher billing the nice cube who's on the poster that's an error so um here's the thing remember when like a billion years ago i alluded to being in a movie that was like in post-production and then just like um nothing ever sort of came of it this is that movie except for one small problem a week before the movie came out i got an email informing me that i am no longer in it which made it all the more awkward when it came out and i was listed as a supporting actor in the credits what is it called though war of worlds war of the worlds war of the worlds yeah it's like kind of uh well i don't actually know exactly what it is anymore because it was something and then obviously whatever lines i read unless i it's possible i was simply recast that's entirely possible it's also possible that whatever lines i had are no longer in the movie which i think um oh yeah you you were you read the script there's a lot we could say there's okay so that's the thing i have to figure out what we can say yeah um because the thing is like i'm not i'm not looking to i don't want to get anybody into trouble like on the one hand like i think that you know there's there's the there's there's a bit of a gulf between what you like technically are allowed to say and what you're probably allowed to say and i'm going to figure out how to get as close to here as we can yeah and it should be it should be it should be pretty it should be pretty okay there are definitely going to be some things that we can't talk about but um some of the stuff should be should be fine like um the fact that we were asked to do some like kind of technical advisory work to to help make sure that like you know anything to do with hacking or whatever else wasn't too you know outlandish um what i will say though is that whatever advice we provided I have not seen the movie I want to make that abundantly clear right now so anything I'm saying comes from a place of I have not seen this movie whatever advice we provided whatever lines I read clearly didn't happen so if you guys see anything in this movie we didn't know about it we didn't see it we didn't advise on it at some point I think I asked them to take me out of the credits as like a technical advisor.

2:47:25Because they wouldn't... Well, hold on. I don't know. Yeah. I can say what I said. That I know for sure. Yeah. Anywho. Yeah. So it's finally out.

2:47:45I'm just going to keep just getting a little bit... Oh, that's as far as I can go. Okay. Well, that's not a good sign.

2:47:55huh rest assured says you should watch it i think i'd rather make the video before i watch it i just want to talk about the experience because whether i'm actually in the in the finished film or not it was a really it was a really unique experience it was something that i didn't do for the money um like i wasn't paid very much I just did it because it was kind of something to tick off the bucket list so even if I'm not in the final cut I did you know act in a scene with Ice Cube sort of it was shot over COVID and I think it was before he said a lot of the stuff that he said so you know oh I don't even oh yeah oh I have no idea Oh, yeah.

2:48:49Sounds good. I have no clue. This was like five years ago, okay? Yeah. And like, so yeah, to be clear, it was COVID. So like, I was on a webcam, he was on a webcam, you know? Like, we were never in the same room. But I was technically involved in a Hollywood production. Technically. Apparently my mic is dying. Mic is dying? Mic bad. Many audio, wow audio, ow. Okay, let me look at that. Did I fix it? It sounds fine to me. I'm hearing your mic, and it's fine. Oh, more mics. We're done on our topics. Okay, one sec.

2:49:56Your phone? No, it's not my phone.

2:50:17Thank you.

2:50:47Thank you.

2:51:37There. That should be fixed. Hi. I hope. How you doing? Nice. Nice. Okay, let's do some merch messages. It's time for After Dark! sorry about that guys sorry everyone our sample rates got out of sync i hate it when that happens it is awful that is actually the worst they got out of sync and so we sunk and that's why i disabled your speakers yep wait that's why no i just wanted to make a call back I can feel bad. Yeah, I was like, what? Where's my buttons? Now I'm all flustered, sorry.

2:52:25Magenta. Nice. Afterdark. Nice. Merch messages. Nice. Dear DLL, I'm curious how your team navigates balancing the most fun outlandish ideas while still keeping videos reasonable and cost effective to produce. me too it's tough um i mean i think we i think we bring both perspectives to the table right through the the the team of people that are responsible for bringing these things to life like the writers meeting is full of all kinds of wacky zany ideas and obviously it has to be grounded in the reality of actually producing this stuff on a budget that we can afford um sometimes we do make loss leader content that is just designed from the ground up knowing that we're going to lose money on it just because we wanted to do something cool whether that's because we just wanted to because it was fun or whether that's because we think it's a prestige piece for the channel or whether i mean really those are the only two main reasons um or if we think it could be an investment in people being really interested in that content in the future i don't think we've really ever done anything like that though um and then yeah the keeping things cost effective just comes down to that we've always from day one tried to run this as a sustainable business that doesn't need to take outside uh capital from investors or private equity sometimes even things that you might expect will end up being a loss on the content creation side sometimes a video will just slap yeah we've gotten lucky before yeah like building that pc in that tech mall all that time ago i didn't think of course you'd think that would be a loss i didn't think that was going to perform the way it did and then it just was a banger went super hard yep that's great sometimes the things that the audience might expect would be a loss like the fire we might not because there was a plan we knew we were going to make money on the fire truck april fools yep but then that's not necessarily the goal every april fool april fools no um it wasn't with the house the office move one to the house we lost a flip ton of money on that thing i showed you that jaden's working on i it cost us like very little um i think it would be really cool if we did a synchronized thing it doesn't necessarily have to be with ltt i'm sure you guys have your own idea um but i'd love to do a synchronized thing with the store i think that would be really cool because the the vibes are immaculate oh goodness um yeah i think doing a synchronized thing with the store would be awesome more more i saw the ferrophone 6 gen 6 video today and i was wondering if you had any comments on the less exciting launch of it in the u.s namely only having the de-googled version officially and 900 this is actually the first time hearing of that which is a little frustrating given that i did shoot my short circuit of it oh it's up i went up this morning um okay hopefully nobody's mad about the fact that i'm not talking about that.

2:55:46I hate their naming scheme, by the way. It's called Fairphone Gen 6. So we went Fairphone, Fairphone 2, Fairphone 3, Fairphone 4, Fairphone 5, Fairphone Gen 6. That needs to stop. The entire industry needs to get together and say, hey, so this is really stupid. Can we all not do this anymore at all? And then everyone needs to go, yeah right what was up with that and then that would be super cool um other than that it seems like a much more competent daily driver device with the same great benefits of fairphone like the long software support as well as the use of hopefully less harmful materials the software support one though is becoming less of an issue now that so many of the major handset makers are committing to supporting their devices for six seven years even um yeah sorry i just uh i don't know much about the less exciting u.s launch um first i'm hearing of it i have a steam deck and an og rog ally that has stopped working should i get an ally or an ally x now or do you think the price when performance of the xbox rog ally is worth the wait or a legion go lol i don't know i don't know exactly how it's going to shake out what i suspect is that it's going to be a very substantial performance upgrade and also a substantial performance per watt upgrade but i've only been hands-on with the hardware for like three minutes playing a game to me it's very interesting custom version of windows yeah it's intriguing very intriguing might be a reason for you to buy that might be a reason for you to not buy i'd say the the biggest reason for me to wait right now would be that we're clearly on the precipice of a real next gen in mobile pc hardware and either the ROG Ally X2, whatever they're calling it, is going to be like the one, if you want to pony up for it, or what I'm kind of hoping for is that we'll see a second gen Steam Deck to go toe-to-toe with it.

2:58:08That's sort of what I'm hoping for because Valve has never said, oh yeah, we're not going to do another Steam Deck. What they've said is we're not going to do it until there's a clear generational leap in performance and I feel like we're getting there. I feel like we're getting real close. I saw this really interesting article talking about how the PC handheld makers are, they're missing the point by having these really expensive handheld gaming PCs. But I feel like they were asking for something that's just not realistic. They were like, yeah, they missed Valve's point. The leadership Valve was trying to take with the affordable price.

2:58:39And it's like, yeah, but like, Valve can only do that because they're subsidizing it with the 30 % they take on Steam. ianio doesn't have steam yeah they have to make on the hardware what valve expects to make over the entire lifetime of that device being deployed

2:59:03Yeah I can read the next one it's for me oh i'll read it then sure hey luke i convinced work to send me to defcon any tips for a first time attendee also what villages are you most interested in first off congratulations on uh convincing your work to send you to defcon i'm not sure how you did that as someone who has been there before but nice sorry if your boss is watching uh there's like a much more business focused con that happens like right there at like almost the same time called black hat um but defcon is cool you'll have a good time uh what villages are you most interested in last time i hit the show floor for like 20 minutes and then went to a hotel room and worked on puzzles until the last hour of the show multiple days later i did nothing else what the puzzles are we didn't pay for your trip did we no cool yeah no i don't know i took time off carry on yeah i i did not think at all that i could make a business case for me going down there and given what i did the whole time i was right have a different experience.

3:00:24Security researchers can totally pull it off. The saying pull it off in that sentence doesn't make it sound a ton more legit. There are panels and stuff that are really cool. I have panels on my NAS from pre-YouTube DEF CON that were security-based stuff that I thought was super interesting because I was interested in getting into the field. It's a thing. um i think most of the show is like fun and interesting stuff um and like there's definitely some learning things like there's the lockpicking village you can go to and there's like i thought it was kind of cool that they brought an actual like fence um and the fence just had a whole bunch of different types of locks on it and you could sit there and practice with different lock picks and stuff that was pretty neat um but yeah uh any tips for a first-time attendee no because I was in the building for like two total hours.

3:01:21So sorry, I can't really say a ton. I had a blast. It was really fun. It was really cool. Working with all the different people on the team that I was on and trying to compete with other people and do all that kind of stuff is a really cool experience. And it is a legitimate DEF CON experience because during DEF CON there are all these like puzzle cracking CTF type of things going on. And some of them you don't have to be on the show floor for by the time i actually started doing the puzzles um a lot of people had gotten the things that you needed to get from the show floor itself already there was a there was an element of that um but by the time i started that was already done so we just yeah sat in the hotel room on laptops and worked um but yeah i would recommend at least i'm going to recommend something i didn't do but i had planned to do sample all the different areas go hang out for like half an hour in each little area.

3:02:13Don't do what I did and get too obsessed with like one thing. Dakkar says don't use random USB cables. Good advice. Don't use random anything while you're there. Although I did, I purposely brought an old Pixel phone that had been left in a box, not updated for a long time and refused updates and went there with an old, not secured Pixel phone and jumped on every single open Wi-Fi network I possibly could the whole time I was there hoping that I would get intruded on never happened. Oh, I'm surprised actually. Me too. It's interesting. Someone else at Theo was also doing the same thing. We both came up with the same idea, but didn't tell each other.

3:03:01And he also didn't have anything happen. Wow. No pwnage. It was interesting. All right. I'm not expecting someone to drop a zero day on like my random phone, but it wouldn't have been a zero day this was an ancient like multi-year no updates android phone maybe you just seemed too juicy and too obvious like you were asking for it maybe all right hit me dan hi luck and denana i made the geared maker chip at open sauce that was cool did you read this no i can't remember can you talk a little about uh about your experience and favorite booths i loved the nasa booth dan also went i'm also interested in dan's thoughts on this the the geared maker chip was cool i saw a few of those um can you talk a little about your experience in your favorite booths i didn't see a huge amount of booths i did go out of my way to make sure i went through the amateur rocketry section that was really cool seeing a bunch of like the school teams there was a a kid there who had done a bunch of work making his own uh carbon fiber rockets and like talking about the work that went into that and stuff and i got to chat with him for a while which was awesome that's super i got a demo from one of the teams that was an individual i got a demo from one of the teams uh on how they were working their uh what was it their their fuel injectors and how they're bringing the cost down for it and and the the machining that goes into that and the trial and error that goes into that and all that kind of stuff really really cool section i was happy i went to go through that that was probably my favorite section in terms of interest i thought the most fun part was probably 4d counter-strike um someone's 4d someone brought a watching you uh fiddle around with that yeah someone brought it's very similar to the punishment thing that you guys did for ludwig um where there was a 1v1 setup of counter-strike and i played against tynan and they had it so that all of the um throwables so the frag grenade the incendiary um the smoke and the decoy, I think the decoy did something.

3:05:02I don't remember. Like if you threw a smoke grenade and then stood in the smoke, there was a leaf blower right next to your head and the leaf blower would turn on if you were in the smoke and it would just like, it's like hard to hear and like actually keep your eyes open and play properly and stuff. If you stood in an incendiary, they had it work in reverse. So obviously they can't light something on fire, but they would spray you with water. Okay. There was like water guns set up. If you stood in the, if you got hit by fragmentation from a fragnade, there was like a motor attached to your monitor and your monitor would like bounce all over the place.

3:05:43Okay. It was actually like. That's pretty cool. It's pretty sweet. It was, it was fun to engage with. Right. I, it was really cool. I'm not going to necessarily say it was like the most impressive thing there. If you were going for impressiveness, there was a ton of really wild boost. What was that printer? you're going to understand this more than me. Oh, the one that went to space. Yeah. Yeah, it's a printer that prints into goop. And it basically rotates the vial of goop. And then... They shoot ultraviolet, I think? Yeah, something like that. And it solidifies it as it spins. So you can do things in zero gravity.

3:06:20You can create a 3D object, including with hollow insides. Yeah, it just builds it as it rotates around. So you could create like a swirling straw, like a spiraling straw. Yeah. And it could actually be hollow on the inside. And you can do it in zero gravity and you can do it in goop. And didn't they make like glass out of it or something too? Yeah, glass, diamonds, all that sort of stuff. It's centered or something like that. Wild. What is it actually? Do you remember what it's called? No, I do not. But they did the Thinking Man. So like Thinking Madden tube 3D printer would probably be a good way to find out.

3:06:58thinking man tube 3d printer yeah they actually had one of the printers there that they had sent to space um at least i think so i don't know if we're gonna be able to find this very easily but it was it was really really cool um very very impressive was it by made in space i'm not sure maybe it was

3:07:30I don't know but it was awesome it was very cool to see and there was a lot of other really impressive things as well but I didn't see like all of the booths so I'm sure there was really cool stuff that I didn't get to see but it was great yeah that printer was quite a thing to behold. Absolutely, yeah. Really just watching it happen was fascinating. Oh yeah, it happens in real time. You see it spin and then this object just slowly appears. And you can just see, it's just goop and there's clearly light on the goop and then you start to see like a shadow of the thing almost. I don't really know how to describe it.

3:08:09Yeah, it's like a little tiny ghost of it appears inside and then it just gets more and more. And then it starts becoming more and more real. It's weird. It's cool, but it's weird. And it's because as it rotates, the video that they're playing, essentially, that's being projected onto it. So you know our CT scanner? How that looks like it's pictures that then get recombined into a full image? It's like the reverse of that. Like you play it a CT scanner video, and then the projector onto the gel surface. And because of the video playing, exposure to that light concentrated on certain points as it's spinning.

3:08:47and changing... Computed Axial Lithography. A what now? Computed Axial Lithography. UC Berkeley. OpenCal. There's also a GitHub repository as well. OpenCal. It's open source layerless 3D printing, which is pretty sick. Yeah. So, Computed Axial Lithography. There's a 3D printing nerd video on it. I'm looking at it right now. Good luck. Have fun. okay cool yeah this was nuts want to hit me with another one sure linus says he loves eating cereal for breakfast but is cereal if cereal is not available what are the breakfast foods do you like mine is eggs benedict with pulled pork sauteed green peppers and home fries not a big eggs guy which makes it really tough um i guess i i i like me a breakfast burrito is what i'll go for and i No, they always have eggs in them, but I guess the burrito makes it palatable for me.

3:09:47I also would never say no to a Belgian waffle with like fruit sauce on it or ideally fresh fruit and whipped cream.

3:09:58I'm not really a breakfast guy. Honestly, the place where I eat breakfast most consistently is Taiwan. And it's because I'll go to like a family mart or a 7-Eleven and get a banana. And they have a name, but I just lovingly call them the triangles. But I always forget what they're actually called. Onigiri? Maybe that's it. But it's a triangle of seaweed with rice in the inside and then some like meat or something else on the inside of that. And you have to, you peel the plastic on the outside, you pull the plastic off, and that allows the seaweed and the rice to touch to each other. So the seaweed stays fresh while it's in the packaging.

3:10:34Oh, that's cool. Musube? Musube. soup masube i don't think i've heard it called that before i think i just ate soup dumplings for breakfast this year that's not really breakfast but not really i'll do it sounds awesome let me see all right hit me uh last one i got for you tonight with google having ai overviews that divert traffic away from sites where the info comes from but still links there how does that compare to wikipedia compiling info on a page with links to sources so i think the difference is that wikipedia is not compiling info on a page they are using the page as a source but wikipedia is compiling information on a subject whereas the ai overview a lot of the time it'll reference multiple sources in like a bibliography but looking at the copy of the ai overview versus the page that it is taking it from a lot of the time there's enough verbatim there that I think there's far less of an argument to be made that it's like a fair use sort of transformative use of it.

3:11:45There's also the fact that Wikipedia is happening by hand and AI is automated. This actually reminds me a lot of the argument that people made back when during the whole like ad block piracy thing where they'd go, well, Linus, is it piracy to get up and walk away from your computer, QED. Well, no, it's the automation that makes it a circumvention mechanism. It's not the mere fact that you didn't consume the advertisement. So the fact that it's highly automated, happening at scale, and seemingly just ripping the content right off the page in a lot of cases that to me makes it less defensible. Even just for you as a user, I would hazard against using them, not even for any moral reason or whatever else, but just because, dude, they are so often wrong.

3:12:46Those summary things I have found to be even higher error rate than standard chats. We had an applicant for our writing position that we were interviewing earlier this week, and he was talking about me discussing the inaccuracy and how often the chatbot lied to me. And he asked it something as simple as like, when did this model of Ford vehicle get power windows? And it was wrong like three times. And he's like, he knew the answer. So he was like, no. And it's like, oh, you're right. I just extrapolated based on that. That was the first year that this other Ford vehicle got power windows. He's like, no, you're actually not right about that either.

3:13:26Oh yeah, you're right. I was like yeah they just they just just wrong a lot oh I really I really want to fit this whole I'm sure it's findable I really want to figure out what the metric is when people say it's it's correct 90 % of the time I mean the grammar is usually pretty that's what I mean like does that does that count does that count I don't know like do these words form a coherent sentence even if the meaning of it is completely inaccurate if there's one small thing that's incorrect in a response that it gives does that mean that the entire response is incorrect or because the overall response was mostly right is that counted as correct like where where are the lines on this i think it's wrong i agree like okay where is it because i do not run into 90 of the time it's perfect that is not reflective of my experience with it okay so back when i was researching the gamer plane um my son was trying to figure out if it could fly somewhere you remember the one i was talking about right my son was trying to figure out if it could fly somewhere non-stop and it goes um this is the range of this plane which it got right this is the distance of this place which it got right and the distance was greater than the range and then it said yes it can fly there non-stop so it got all all the base facts right but drew the wrong conclusion it's like well that to me is wrong because if you don't read it carefully then you're gonna you're not gonna know the right answer interesting i know someone who actively works in human reinforcement learning This is from Tim0003, sorry, 000x3.

3:15:14I know someone who actively works in human reinforcement learning for Gemini AI. I can tell you that there is a score based on very specific phrases in an entire response. And each response is deemed, and each response is deemed how accurate is individually. Yeah. So what they're saying is that example that I gave would be 66 % correct. according to how the metrics that should count as a zero that's a zero in my opinion as well so i think i think 90 is artificially inflated high oh yeah no doubt no doubt that we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye

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