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34:00That's the energy State Farm brings to insurance. With over 19 ,000 local agents, they help you find the coverage that fits your needs. So you can spend less time worrying about insurance and more time enjoying the ride. Download the State Farm app or go online at statefarm.com. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Just to that awards conversation thing, and this will be, I guess, a little bit of a segue into Pluribus. Which also got nominated. which also got nominated like that is a show that the the premise of like and i've been telling people about it recently and i will say like that thing that they did like maybe this is like a program thing i'm like we're gonna give you the first two episodes because if you see the i tell people like this show's incredible and if you just watch the first episode i'm telling you it's the rest of it is not like that like if you are somebody that doesn't like horror movies or doesn't like sci-fi and you watch the first episode you might be like this show's not for me but I'm like you just like even if you just watch 10 minutes of the second episode you're going to get a much better idea of what this thing is all about.

35:05Yeah. But it's fun finally to have a show that's like oh Wednesday nights like I get to look forward to Wednesday nights when Pluribus comes out. It's also to your point about the Sarah Snook performance like this Ray Seahorn performance is such that she her like kind of like skill and ability like transcends like Carol. So even though you're watching Pluribus and I think a lot of people might be like, why is she doing this? Why is she doing that? Like, why, why would she be so mean? And if she knows this is going to happen, why is she going to do that? But like Seahorn's performance in and of itself is something to root for.

35:40Yeah. So I can spend as much and it's, it's really interesting to get to your current through six. Like you watched the most recent one. Yeah. Yeah. It's really interesting because now I think we're about to sort of start to bring maybe some more people into the show because it's been such a one-hander. I was watching an interview with Bob Odenkirk a little while ago where he was talking about doing the first season of Saul and how he's in every shot. His character, Saul Goodman, is in every shot of the first season of Better Call Saul and how hard it was and how exhausting it is to just be on all day long for so many hours.

36:17I can't imagine for Seahorn how she's not only in everything but physically has to like traverse like you know great distances do all these things be in these emotional states and like you know and like use a pickaxe yeah like i've used a pickaxe for like 15 minutes before and it was laid up in maine or was this actually in la oh yeah it was digging up like a flower bed that was like leftover you know what i mean it was like it was a bunch of lava rock and it looked really bad and i was like whatever i'm gonna do this myself your compost Yeah, and then I was just in traction. And not only is she carrying all of the emotional weight of the entire show, and not only is she in every shot, like there was the one episode, was it four or five when everybody leaves?

37:06Yes. And then it's just her. Yeah. Like she doesn't even have another actor to play off of. like the level of difficulty and the seeming ease with which she pulls it off is unbelievable. There's been some really good Vince Gilligan interviews where he, especially on Polygon where he's talked a little bit about you know, basically like this. Is Polygon the one where you can like bet on if there's going to be? No, that's Polymarket. Polymarket, okay. Do you want to get into that? Yeah. What do you want to bet on? Over under three and a half more boat strikes before the end of the week. Jesus Christ.

37:52So you want to talk about that? We don't want to talk about the merger, but we're going to do the boat strikes. All right. I'm all in on my guy, Pete. Yeah, right. He's a piece of shit. I can say that pretty confidently. No, Gilligan's talking about the way that the writer's room kind of is sorting through the permutations of this story and going through step by step and it really is it's basically you could cut and paste an interview from breaking bad or sol like the way they kind of interrogate every piece of narrative and plot point and the show is like really shockingly i think it's refreshingly so far everything that's coming out whether it's a character beat or whether it's an idea about the world.

38:38It's all plot. And it's like plot to the point of like, how is she going to get her food if nobody is around? Yeah. Or how does she get rid of her trash if wolves knock over her trash cans? And, you know, what will she do? Like, how would she get to Vegas if no one's willing to fly her social drive for cop car to Vegas? Like, I love the way that this show makes me use my brain like along with the writers. Yeah, that feeling. And I don't know that I've had this feeling in a long time of at any single moment in that show you don't know what could possibly happen next you know what i mean like they're like story-wise i have no idea what anybody's next move is gonna be you know like that like meme format of like don't let them know your next move i do know that format it feels like that but like without reya seahorn being like as emotionally grounded in it it might just become boring it might just become like well i just want to know what happens and i'll watch it on like two times speed just to know what happens but you you're with her in every single like emotional beat as well which is incredible like but even like her yeah like Even as you're watching it, you ask those questions of like, oh, if wolves were trying to dig up or coyotes were trying to dig up the shallow grave that I had buried my wife in, how would I go about?

40:08Well, it's pretty easy. You would have asked the others to give you a full predator, like the predator suit. The predator? Yeah. Trust me, I've also... I mean, the fact that the one guy, I can't remember his name, but the guy who's just acting out the last scene in a James Bond movie. I have thought to myself. What would you put yourself in? I know exactly what I would do. Everybody that surrounds me as a cinematographer has the knowledge of Robert Elswit in their head. We could just fucking make a movie. I would also just do I would just rob the bank from heat. I'd have to know. I'd have to know what it feels like.

40:46Just load them up with full blanks. We're here for the bank's money, not your money. Your money is insured. Don't be a hero. You could also have essentially Val Kilmer train you how to do the mag switch. I could. You know what I mean? So you could even spend weeks in training getting the mag switches right. God, that would be awesome. For the bang high scene. That'd be great. There's something about the way they plot this show that makes me think of improv comedy. And I just wanted to bounce this off of you. Like, I don't know a lot about like the rules and regulations and philosophies of improv comedy.

41:23but I am familiar with like the idea of yes and and like doing like basically like how this show never lets go of a decision so once they make the decision like this is happening with the world they don't just say like and we'll come back to that in a couple of episodes but right now let's go over here they're like no okay so she discovers this but what if people were actually okay with it you know what I mean like there is like a way that they're using their writer brains and they're putting characters in positions of like, every time you think you're going to be like, oh no, it's fucking body snatchers.

41:55It's on. Like everybody's going to, now we have to start a resistance to the alien invasion. There's like this slight kind of like, but what if we didn't, you know, like what if they, or what if it was, yeah, they're eating people, but what if people were okay with it kind of thing? Yeah. And, and before I answer the improv comedy thing, I would just say that one interesting thing about it is that it kind of over and over again, I mean, we're six episodes in and you're kind of still asking the question like, I don't know, is it so bad? Right. They all seem to be pretty good to one another. They're all concerned about their community.

42:28Right. Like we lack a little individuality. You know what I mean? They've done a really good job balancing whether or not this is actually a bad thing. Yeah, and I think a lot of the questions that the show asks are moral and ethical and philosophical, which makes it really engaging to chew on. it engages a different part of my brain than a lot of other TV does where it's just like simply like will Billy Bob Thornton you know tell this guy how oil really works you know like this is those are the two parts of your brain philosophical and will Billy Bob Thornton tell this guy how oil works to your improv question and there are going to be a lot of people that are way more able to answer this question than I am who just have like more experience or, you know, whatever.

43:14If Walsh was in here, he wrote books on it. But there is something that I remember from when I first moved out here and I was like taking classes at UCB, this idea of like, I can't remember what they called it, but like, it was like the weird thing that just happens on stage that can't be ignored. And like you go out on stage and you think like, oh, this is going to go this way. But then something happens where you just have to be like, no, no, no, that happened. You have to address it. And you lock onto that and that becomes the game. And in that way, it does feel like that. The game of them just needing space from her is so funny.

43:54Yeah. But every - And the answering machine message is the best. Yes. And the way they make you play it out every time. Yeah. They make you wait with her every time. There is something to that. The show is as much philosophical drama as it is comedy. Like one of the funniest things I've seen recently was that fucking drone trying to pick up the trash bag. That's just a little bit too heavy. And it ends up swinging around and it takes so long. But I think like, I guess my, the best answer that I could come up with is like the attention to the little details and not just skipping over the weird thing to get further into the story or into the plot being like, no, like we are, this weird thing happened.

44:40and we have to spend time with it because to ignore it would mean, it would leave the audience with the question. And I think that was one of the things that, why they, like in improv classes, they pointed that out. Because if you skip over that, the audience is going to be wondering why nobody responded to that. One of my biggest pet peeves, I think I've said this enough times that I feel like I'm repeating myself now, but like one of my biggest pet peeves in TV writing is when two characters are having a conversation, they get to the most important part of the conversation and one character kind of inexplicably walks out of the room.

45:12And it's because he's in the scene or go to commercial or keep whatever. But this would happen all the time on like kind of pulpy dramas where it'll be like, this guy just drove across the city to have inexplicably a face-to-face conversation with you. You get right up to the most important part where you're like, I'm just not going to do that. And they're like, hmm. And they leave. Instead of just being like, wait, no, wait, I drove over here. We have to talk this out. We have to figure this out. I dealt with crosstown traffic at like 4.30 on a Thursday. Do you know how busy it is in the Ozarks right now?

45:47Yeah. For Ozark? Yeah. I drove around this lake. I found out that you're growing heroin and now I'm leaving. Yeah. Yeah. Like I didn't get all the information. Like, no, like if I'm going to go to the West side to ask somebody one question, I'm going to ask it. I'm not just going to like freely get back on the 10. For the last five minutes, I've basically been a little bit distracted because I keep thinking about what truly your vision of an alien invasion utopia would be and it would be living at Bandon with Tiger, Phil and Rory and golfing every day but they always lose by like one stroke to you.

46:27To the point where they are like like we don't have to discuss it. They all just know but like you could get like jim nance to come to announce you know and well i mean we'd have to pair this because you would be there i would like to be yeah but i don't know if i would have been one of the i don't know if i would have would i be an other or would i be one of the survivors you know what do you want to be i think it would be fun if the two of us were there as survivors and we were like doing like a two-man rider cup style how many years would we i would have so many things i was like if we're just acting stuff out you know what i mean like i'd love to just act out rio bravo i'd love to act out like an italian police crime movie like we would be pretty busy for like a decade we there is no reason to think that we could make that or that we couldn't make like a gus van zandt psycho shot for shot remake of of shoot first die later or of Gus Van Zandt's Psycho.

47:25Or Gus Van Zandt. A shot for shot remake of Gus Van Zandt's Psycho. I think that the aliens would be like, uh, you guys are pretty stupid. This is like, we can't tell you if there's a way to revert back to the way it was and we're also not going to do that. We'll give you the atom bomb. We'll do that, but we're not going to do. You want to do, like we could even, I mean, the planes are there for us. We could go shoot on the original locations of Shoot First, Die Later. There for us. I mean, Van Hoyt's gonna shoot like in IMAX for us if we wanted to. Everybody knows how to do everything. We could do it.

48:04You're not gonna have to wait to see the Christopher Nolan Odyssey. Fuck that. Fuck that. You're in it. I'm Odysseus. How about that? You're Odysseus. And you have the time and the access to people who can get you in the shape that Matt Damon is in currently. Yeah, I'm trying to think of when I would get bored of this. It would get bored. It would be a decade. I think I have 10 years of stuff I'd like to experience before I'd be like, oh, God, I'd really love to protect my individuality here. Yeah. But I would definitely be along for the ride of you and me and the other survivors banding five, six days at a time.

48:38Yeah. Trying, you know, getting stock tips from Phil Mickelson at the bar afterwards. He's betting on us. Okay, last pluribus thing is this episode, the sixth one, did seem to be the one that started to trigger some fan theories. Some conversations about what's going on here, where is this going, what might be at stake. The thing I wanted to ask you is, have you considered whether or not while they can't lie and they don't want to hurt anything, that this force, this virus, this outside force, that basically like they will sometimes lie by omission. Because the theory out there is that, you know, this idea that this, they come to this planet and they're like, well, we can't kill anything.

49:27So we're going to starve in 10 years or whatever it's going to be. But that that might be in and of itself some kind of weapon to wipe out the planet of human life. Oh. So that Carol's even initial kind of fear about, oh, is this like an alien invasion or is this an apocalypse? It is, but it's like slow cinema apocalypse. oh man I'm like god I'm such a trusting person well that's the thing is that I think that there's something about this show that almost makes you trusting this was in Polygon somebody had like somebody wrote this theory up and I was like yeah cause I do wonder what whether or not like Gilligan will identify like the true tension of the show or the true obstacle of the show is it just Carol and her wandering the kind of wasteland like like you know and figuring out different problem solving exercises or is there something that we're going to find out where it's like no this is why they came here and this is why this is happening it's hard for me or this is why they sent this virus here yeah it's a little hard for me like prognosticate on it i guess only because like because i am so trusting like i'll just take exactly what they give me and believe in it uh but i do wonder like if it is that and i'm making this up in this moment so if it doesn't make sense i apologize if it is that if it is ultimately a thing of like our goal is to like wipe out that planet and it is just sort of like an like an arch evil thing does that make the show less interesting like obviously like they're incredible writers and like they're always going to make a good show but does it become a little bit more regular?

51:12I don't know. You know what I mean? If it's all of a sudden just, oh yeah, they're all evil and we got to stop the evil. Whereas this world that we're in, it's so, it sort of swings wildly back and forth between are they evil or are they not? Or what is evil if evil presents itself in such a benevolent way? Is it evil? Like, is it more interesting to watch her figure that out? Or like, I guess that's my question. Would that make it, and I'll ask it to you, like, would that make it a little bit too, just sort of like good versus evil, Avengers Endgame, we got to destroy these guys who are trying to snap away 50 % of the world or whatever?

51:48Does it? I don't know, but I also know that like the way that Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul changed from their first season to their fifth seasons or their third, you know, it's like, I don't think that Pluribus Season 3 is going to look like Pluribus Season 1 at all. You know? In that way, Pluribus Season, or Pluribus episode three didn't look like Pluribus episode one. Anything in Pluribus episode six, yeah, right. Yeah, like they're all so different. Like one amazing thing about it is that like my interest in where it goes is kind of small because this is, I mean, it's like one of the first shows in a while where I am just like moment to moment of this thing is so incredible that I'm like, wherever it goes, that's great with me because I get to watch all this happen.

52:41Yeah, and it's also like you can take joy in like every moment of it where it's like, it's like to the same point about the answering machine message, like all of the stones that she puts down as a memorial slash protective layer to like keep Helen's body safe. You're like, just put a hundred stones. I just like the way this is shot, the way it looks, the way it's cut. It's so, it's so rewarding. All right, I gave you one piece of homework. You did. For this Andy Greenwald fill-in job. I asked you to watch your first ever episode of Landman. Yeah. With this weekend's episode Dancing Rainbows. Yeah, just a fully fucking raw-dogging Landman with Dancing Rainbows.

53:18Did you have any preconceived notions going into this? Did you know anything about it? Had you seen any commercials for it? Anything? All that I knew about it was you talking about it, Andy kind of making fun of you for talking about it. No, but he's, this is, this is the thing is that like, he's now secretly addicted. Oh, okay. Yeah. I think like he got a little taste and now I think he's dabbling on the side where he's like, I watched Leia Man just in case, if you're ready. If you're ready, if you want to. I mean, it's completely up to you. The only other thing that I knew about it was like Billy Bob Thornton, like on the PR train wearing all like the jingle jangle.

53:58Like that was the only other thing I knew about it. So truly that's it. That's all I knew. The floor is yours. I gotta say, after watching that episode, and the way you almost presented it to me, it was like, oh, big episode tonight. And so I was really expecting fireworks and executions, you know what I mean? And so maybe there are some emotional things happening here that I didn't - Probably didn't land as much. That probably didn't land as much. Spent that much time with the Norris family yet. Yeah. I will say, I dug it. And part of it is, man, if you fucking sit Sam Elliott down looking at his sunset.

54:40With Billy Bob? With Billy Bob. Yeah. And they're kind of talking very directly and unemotionally about emotions. Yeah. Let's fucking do it. I'm probably going to watch some more Landman. This is a strange episode to be giving you as a first piece of homework because I think there are others, specifically there are episodes many episodes where the Allie Larder character has an outsized role and does things that are tonally incongruous with the rest of the show. So in some ways you may have seen the most sober, solemn, and traditionally quote unquote good episode of Landman that you possibly could have seen.

55:20But in that, it is not actually representative of Landman or the glories of this show because the only thing that was sort of off quote unquote for this show was Rebecca who you don't know who is the lawyer for the Demi Moore Billy Bob Thornton oil company. She went to Northwestern. She's an outsider in this oil industry and so she's constantly being lectured about how things are done in Texas. Now she is like the corporate lawyer for this company. I don't know where she was going on that plane that we saw her on but the plot line of her on this episode where she is getting shithoused on watermelon-infused vodka from a ranch hand.

56:03Yeah. And then really enjoying the... I have never flown on a private plane. Had you ever heard of that taking off from a full stop kind of thing that they do there? No. No. Not into it. But I have been on planes that have been knocked around that much. Okay. And I will tell you, I'm on her side. Of like, this is death. of the, this is, what the fuck are we doing? This is immoral. Yeah. Yeah. So in this episode, Rebecca takes this private plane, I assume, to Fort Worth, and they're like, oh yeah, a lot of wind. And they explain that the private plane is going to do basically a takeoff from a stopped position, which essentially puts it on a fucking elevator going up through incredible turbulence, and it just looks like the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.

56:50And the dude next door is like, we don't die this way. I was like, are you sure? Are you sure? Because this is how many, whenever you read about an airplane crash in LA, it's always one of those and they go fucking right into the ocean. So, I mean. Is that a big thing for her that she would, is he, would he be considered a roughneck or is he a ranch hand? Yeah, I think he's like, we're going to find out that he's also a geologist or something like he has, I mean, it's got a pretty nice place in Fort Worth. Yeah. So he works in the oil industry, but I don't know what he does yet. Okay. Yeah. But am I getting the sense that maybe this is not the person she would normally choose?

57:26No, it's a track, brother. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Kind of like that. You'd expect her to be with some dweeby guy in New York who does like mergers and acquisitions. But you know, the heart wants what the heart wants. The heart wants what the heart wants. And I do like that he is like, it's a great character introduction of like, he seems sweet. Yeah. And he seems charming. And like when he's telling her like, you know, use the, use the aromatherapy thing. Yeah. You got to put it on the sink drain.

57:56I'm kind of into this guy. He seems like a good dude. I would imagine that being your first episode, you are not aware of the fact that Andy Garcia's character is in fact a money launderer for the cartel. No, I'm not. But that's sort of the wrinkle in her asking Andy Garcia to fund her offshore drilling thing. Now, Demi Moore's character was married to Jon Hamm. Jon Hamm awesome on the first season dies of a heart attack. Okay. So she inherits this company. Truly had no idea. The entire first season of the show. This is actually like really worth recapping to you. The entire first season of the show Demi Moore's in like five episodes of the first season swimming laps or like walking around in the background of a scene or maybe having like a line or two but it's usually like honey have your green juice or honey take your heart pill and then Jon Hamm drops dead at the end of the first season and Demi Moore takes over like the company.

58:47Jon Hamm is in the entire first season of this television show. Mostly him getting off private planes talking on his cell phone to Billy Bob. So he could have shot his stuff in six days, honestly. Okay. But he is 1A with Billy Bob the first season. No shit. And then dies at the end of it. So Demi Moore has taken over this company. They have an outstanding lawsuit problem with an offshore facility off of Louisiana. And they quickly need$400 million because it turns out Ham was not good with money. Okay. And they're going to get it from the cartel, it would appear. The cartel is also heavily involved with Billy Bob's son's oil fields.

59:30Which is the guy who wore the Texas Tech hat? Yeah. That might have been. And this is, I can't pretend to know about the panhandle. But growing up in rural Maine, there is something so lived in and familiar about somebody putting on a sport coat and a tie. But not taking their hat off. But not taking their hat off. Yeah. And that no one in that world would be like, look, we're at a funeral. You have to take that hat off. No, that's old Connor. It's Connor? Cooper. Cooper. Yeah. That's Cooper's hat. Yeah. Like he doesn't take it off. Like that felt really specific and lived in in a way. Yeah, so that guy recently became like a billionaire.

1:00:10Okay. because he dug six wells in these really random parts of Texas, and they all hit. But it was funded by a fly-by-night finance company that is apparently Andy Garcia's cartel company. Cartel-related. And the cartel already doesn't like Billy Bob because they beefed in the first season. Okay. So now they're intertwined, but this weird thing that Taylor Sheridan does where he'll be like, what if for two or three episodes Andy Garcia was just a cool guy and hung out and drank tequila and like warned Cammy off of like dealing with him and all this stuff and has a nice wife. He'll be the villain at some point, but there was that.

1:00:49And then there's also Cooper and his girlfriend Ariana who they've broken up and gotten back together like two or three times and we're only on episode four of the second season. I mean, that was the one thing where there are going to be some things in like relationships that maybe feel a little bit regressive. Sure. There were moments in that where I was like, oh, this is like borderline on, like, oh, this is borderline like actually like a good lesson here. Like, listen, you know, don't try to make decisions for that person. But then Sam Elliott comes in with, you ain't gonna know the rules.

1:01:24Yeah. At least you'll just be thankful you knew what they once were. I gotta say, man, Sam Elliott could be like reading a Chinese menu backwards and I'd be like, boy, that's really profound. God, he's so fucking good. And he doesn't have to stand up in this season of TV. He fucked his hip up during making 1883. Okay. Have you ever watched any Taylor Sheridan shows? Yes. Did you watch Yellowstone at all? I didn't. I started Yellowstone, didn't really continue with it. I think honestly the only Taylor Sheridan show that I've really seen a lot of is Sons of Anarchy before he got run over by that truck.

1:02:01Oh, right. Well, he's just an actor in that one. Yeah, he's just an actor. Oh, but I will say, like, I think I do really like Taylor Sheridan's movies. Yes. Like, I know that's a conversation with you and Sean. Yeah, well, we like it's he's definitely by being the most prolific and successful television showrunner in modern times has left. His true calling, which is writing like super tight, awesome 90 minute thrillers and crime movies. Yeah, crime movies. and like it is that thing of like I'm so glad that he is employing half of the country on these television shows but also man like as like as we've talked about as like fans of the genre of like 90 minute crime thrillers like couldn't you just squeeze out a couple more of those yeah I mean this episode was like kind of amazing because it was one of the first times they've brought a lot of these characters together into the same room and then made them behave themselves.

1:03:04Usually they'll have Billy Bob's wife and daughter. Much of the first season and second season so far have been their work, I swear to God, on my life. In a senior citizens living community where they're trying to basically sexually awaken these old people by taking them to strip clubs, getting them drunk on margaritas, just trying to make them feel again. I don't know if they're associated with a charity or why I can't remember why they started doing this but there will be like four scenes of life or death negotiations of oil fields and also cartel activity and then it'll just like hard cut Allie Larder in a old person's home being like yeah mama shake it and like getting like they're doing Zumba dancing or going to a strip club so it is definitely I love seeing Allie Larder love seeing Ali Larder I really enjoyed the fact that he is also just making like another show where it's like the disaster of the week at an oil field so this week we had a huge car crash to start you're not really supposed to know what's going on there I don't know they haven't revealed it but the week previous there was a chemical leak at a different plant at a different gas field and so like you're just supposed to get the feeling that like there are always fires to put out at this oil company and that things are going wrong like in and around them.

1:04:30I don't know what the larger story is going to be with that. That was the one thing as somebody who knew nothing about it. Yeah, the cold open must have been very confusing. The cold open was like, oh shit, Chris wasn't lying when he said this is going to be an insane episode. There's somebody like running a tube from their exhaust. The guy was trying to take his own life. Yeah. while another guy was just like, I just happened to be driving down this dirt road and I hit you going 80 miles per hour. But the truck driver died and the guy in the pickup truck lived, but lost an arm. Oh, so that guy with the arm was the, okay, so the pickup truck driver lived?

1:05:02Yeah. Ah, tough situation there. And now he's in the same hospital as the dude who's got chemical leak blindness. So yeah, I'm glad I introduced this to you. I mean, it's fun. It's not like a lot of, there's not like a lot of Venn diagram overlap with my interests, I would say broadly, but like walking away from it, I was like, when Sam Elliott and Billy Bob were like, you know, deserving, got nothing to do with it. I was like, all right, I'm forgiven. Let's go. Let's fucking go. I'm kind of down. If I can give you one assignment for your holiday viewing, and then maybe you give me a shout in January.

1:05:41Okay. Manzoukas is already on board with this. Mallory Rubin's already on board with this. I need you to watch Shorzy. I will I will I did do you grow up playing hockey no but I grew up watching a lot of it yeah it'll mean a lot to you okay I got kicked out of like my high school's club hockey championship because we went to the grocery store and bought a bunch of like fish and then whenever they scored a goal we would throw fish on the ice and they were like guys like this isn't like an NHL game like it's actually really hard for us to clean this up yeah and so we got kicked out and also we did it there were like 30 people there so it was pretty clear who was doing it it's not like you could be like i don't know he's the other guy yeah not to bore you with me getting kicked out of ice hockey games no please but there was a there was an ice hockey like rec sort of like industry ice hockey league out here that i think bruckheimer played in no way.

1:06:40Yes. And, uh, and my old manager, Ben had like come up as like, you know, he was like on the possibly going professional hockey track, like went to a high school to specialize in that played around. And so he had a bunch of like hockey friends and they played in this thing. And we all went to like one of the, we all went to one of his games. And this is even dumber because there were like seven of us that were friends with him that went to that game. There was nobody else. And we were all banging on the glass so hard that they asked us to leave. Are you serious? This is true. This is the second I've been to not very many hockey games, but apparently I've gotten kicked out of the majority of them.

1:07:24That's incredible. Tim, thank you for joining me today. Chris, what a pleasure. Wait, do we need to check in with Kaya to see, do we know yet if we're going to the Golden Globes? Has anything changed since the beginning of this episode? Still a question mark. Still up in the air. I don't think you guys ever circled back on Zins and golf, though. No, I mean, we talked about golf in terms of what we would do with our fantasy pluribus time. If this happened, I definitely would just start smoking again. Because I would just assume that they would have top-of-the-line health care. Never have to pay for a pack again.

1:07:56Yeah. Also get packs delivered to me via drone or person. and you could actually just like you could just be like look i want you to get 10 million of the best scientific minds together and focus specifically on lung cancer yeah and then i want you to take another 10 and have them focus specifically on how to get rid of the feeling you get when you smoke too much the night before yeah also like there should be a spray that takes the smell off you so that like if other people but then again like by that point there would only to be nine other people in the world who had any real individual taste anyway so you would really not have to worry about that that much you could just i just want to go back to i want to have like one week where i get smoking doors again yeah god that would be fucking great it was nice also to see in landman speaking of landman oh everybody's smoking a door oh smoking darts just ripping darts rules uh tim thanks so much for joining me we'll be back on thursday with andy and uh thank you to Kaya and Kai.

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