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27:31It explodes the genre of the show to introduce the idea that this is actually an international criminal syndicate and a nation-states intelligence service working behind the scenes to do whatever they're doing. and we're going to talk a little bit more in depth about what Tender is up to and the idea that essentially they're mining for data and that they're looking for opportunities to blackmail, leverage, and expose the client base. And I thought this was such a huge gambit. It's like a real, like, you're either fucking with us or you're against us right now on part of the show. because, man, they could have just done six, seven seasons of these crazy kids doing E and making trades.

28:28And I think I'd be fine with that. But this is a huge swing. I think that as challenging as that particular pivot within the episode may have been granularly on a story level, I do love the show's, and by when I say the show, we're talking about Mickey and Conrad's creative and artistic willingness to engage in as big of a picture as possible. Because if the show, you know, up to this point is so deeply concerned with the essential nihilism of, which is like the fourth time I've used that word in this podcast already, but it's 2026, of late period capitalism, push it further. Meaning it is interesting and gross when when enormous profits are being made due to lack of oversight or due to an over-indexing of narrative over substance or any of the other things that you could accuse tender of or many other companies that still exist in our real world.

29:36but the next question behind that and it's the same sort of question that one could bring and that some people in Congress are bringing to the Epstein stuff is it's not just who profits literally in terms of money but who is also profiting from the overall structural lack of oversight like who can fill that gap who can take advantage of that and very often the answers are extremely bad actors and I don't mean bad actors in the cast of industry I mean like the Russian Secret Service or a cabal of sex criminals in the case of what's going on in America right now. There's someone profiting behind the people who are more likely to take the fall for profiting.

30:14And I think the expansion of the aperture in that way is, you're right, it's a bold gambit in the show, but maybe this is also where a lot of our conversation about the episode is going to fall, which is I completely see this vision and I'm excited about the expansion of the terrain. When we start talking about how it unfolds within episode six of season four, then I had more issues with it and how it is delivered. But I think it's an exciting place for the show to go. And in many ways, not an inevitable place, but a consistent place for it to end up considering where it started and the trajectory it's been traveling on.

30:51I thought that that scene where Ferdinand comes out to Whitney and he's having a cigarette and is talking about how easily it is to rationalize becoming part of the Russian intelligence services because it cleared the path for him to become CFO of the Austrian bank that he had been working at, that tender acquired. It was a wonderful, wonderful scene. And it's just explicit enough. I think that I'll hear people out if they're like, I need to know explicitly, is Whitney a Lithuanian citizen who moved to America with these orders or how much of his character is fashioned out of thin air. We'll talk about the night out that he has with Henry and the morning after revelations for discussions that those guys have.

31:43But they ride the third rail of like, how much do we need to show? How much do we need to tell for people to feel and to think? They don't often will have... They will take... Here's any other show would do. These four scenes... And industry does it in two. Yeah. And those two might be scene one and scene four, and you're missing the middle, and you get to the part where it's exciting at the beginning and terrible at the ending, but you don't understand how you got there. I get that. I get how they do it, and I like it a lot. But I can understand why people might bump on it. I think the reason why I like it so much leads me to my second revelation, which is that Whitney has become my favorite character on this show.

32:25Whoa! What a turn by you! I don't know what happened, but here's the thing. The obvious hybrid of, and there's something kind of wonderful about Max Mengele playing a Tom Ripley-esque character when his father directed one of the great adaptations of Ripley. but I love the fact that this guy is not going full Henry Hill and staring out the windows at helicopters and that he is like, he is a associate. Like I don't, I don't even know what the diagnosis of it would be, but even when everybody confronts him, every time he gets quote caught, every time you think he's, there is no, his back's not to the wall because there's no wall there.

33:09He's like, I'll just turn around and be something else. I'll just turn around and be something else. He never seems stressed. And there's something remarkably gentle and also honest about the way that Minghello is playing this guy. And I just find it absolutely fascinating. Maybe not easily trackable. Maybe I couldn't draw your character's arc over the course of the series so far. But he and Harrington are the two most explosive things in the series this season. How did you feel about the moment on the PJ when he looks at the emergency exit briefly? Loved it. Loved it. But like he said, Henry, by the canal, or he's just like, I'm not interested in suicide.

33:52He says, I don't believe in it. I don't believe in it. And then he lies about the history of suicide in his family, just like he's lied about every aspect of his family. Yes. Right. But that's the thing is that if you're just constantly fashioning an identity, I almost think he was looking at it as like a simple, Like he was looking at the exit door as like more symbolic than he was like, what if I open this private jet door and just fall to my death? Yeah, I mean, one of the things that helps, I think, our enjoyment of the series and particularly our discussion of the series is the raw fissile material that these guys are playing with is extremely potent.

34:29And the idea of fake it till you make it being a life strategy and a winning life strategy, particularly if on some metrics you have already unshakably made it. And that's the case with like someone who's landed gentry like Henry. You know, the episode ends with the implication that Henry is now on the hook for one of, for now two of the greatest financial catastrophes in recent British history. But his harpsichord room is still waiting for him. You know, like they're still running tours through it if he falls from this height because he's not falling that far. I think that there's opportunity though, and I think this is one of the other things that I'm bumping up against and maybe it'll be resolved in the last two episodes because some of the other storylines have fallen aside or been pushed out of the frame and we'll talk about those specifically, Eric.

35:22But the twinning of Harper and Whitney as American fabulists is interesting to me and I think clearly interesting to the show. but like with many things that I've been interested in in this season, the real estate simply hasn't been there to pursue it. And maybe this is all part of an end game to bring them together because that's what, I don't mean bring them together romantically or even psychosexually as they've already been. I just mean to bring those storylines into harmony with each other in a different way. So I'm going to move up one of my revelations. I had the next one I was going to talk to you about, Eric's blackmail, but I'm going to take the last one and put it here because you just sort of mentioned something fascinating.

36:04So much like Rishi several weeks ago where we're like, I guess that's it. I guess that's it for Eric. And then Ken Loong did an interview with Vulture the night of, on Sunday night. It was released fairly soon after the episode came out. And was pretty explicit about the fact that he shot quite a bit of material that is not in the show. Now, I cannot wait to talk to Mickey and Conrad about this. I hope that they feel comfortable talking about it because I don't know if Ken was supposed to mention this, but he definitely seemed to allude to several scenes with the escort, Dolly, with his daughter, with his ex-wife, with Harper, perhaps an entire kind of arc for his character that was a little bit more discernible.

36:56instead it feels like a guy who gets taken into the it's basically Tommy from Goodfellas to keep the Goodfellas stuff going and he just is walking into his party and it goes oh no right as he gets the recognition from his daughter the love that he craves the love that he wants he looks down at his phone and what we are to presume is Whitney is blackmailing him not only with video of his sexual encounter with this escort, but also proof that she's 14, 15. It's dark. She was born in 2011. So depending on when this is literally set, yeah. And this is also, speaking of, this is an even bigger McBain scene than poor Baylor.

37:38This is my best day ever. This is a direct quote. He's just had the, quote, one miraculous run that makes you live again. Harpoon, you just gave me my favorite every day in finance. well we should we should be clear about this there's no part of this interview where Ken Lungs is like a fucking I'm mad that this got cut out yes I'm mad about what left on the cutting room floor he's very matter of fact about how he considers and we've talked to him like he is a very very thoughtful intellectual actor who really intense intense about his process and what he needs to get to where he needs to go and so he's sort of helpfully explaining to the questioner about like his journey within Eric this season may have been different from the audiences because about his process and his internal thought and decision-making, but also because, you know, he's like, well, I did these different things that were steps A, B, C, and D to get to what you saw.

38:32Yes. This is not an indictment. Every show cut scenes whole cloth. And part of the artistry of making television and film certainly is remaking the show. I mean, you say you make the show three times on the script, on the stages, are on set and in the edit room. And each time you start from scratch almost and you rebuild it, that's how all great works are, are, are made. So it's not a problem that these things were cut, but it is another piece of evidence, I think, to my larger sensibility about the season, which is it's too much story. This is a, there's nothing wrong with the story. It's an exciting story and it's an incredibly ambitious thing.

39:13And it has felt, uh, appropriate to be watching the season of industry against the backdrop of the Olympics where they're like, well, this guy is going to spin six times. And then if he doesn't, you're not like, this guy sucks. You're like, holy shit, imagine spinning six times. I cannot help but shake the feeling that this is a 12 episode season of television that has been reduced to eight. And I don't, I want to be clear when I say this, I don't mean that they were given 12 episodes. I mean, they were given the same eight episodes they've been given every time. I think if anything, I would imagine that they would laugh at the idea that they would want 12 episodes for a season.

39:50I think that yes, they shot stuff. And yes, there's a feeling like we missed something there maybe, but I don't think that it's because like they were asked to reduce the episode count or anything like that. And also part of their superpower, and we've praised them for this before, is get to the good stuff. You know, don't bore us, get to the chorus, but a TV show. Like there's power in that. And there's still, even in this old prestige medium, there's still surprise in that. When this episode begins with Harper going straight to Yasmin to say, here's what I'm doing. You're sitting on a mountain of lies.

40:23It's like, oh, you know, she could have bought her dinner first. But no, the show is going right into this. But there are other things that I think that are suffered, that have suffered this season because of the frenetic pace and the lack of real estate. For example, early in this episode, we're told that Tender has quickly become the Gen Z choice for banking. I'm like, I thought they've only been at bank for 10 days. Right. That seems very, very abrupt. That's a good point. I hadn't thought about that. There's other things that you can see in terms of character arcs. like we praised and I will continue to praise to high heaven the show's fuck it bravery in being like we have reached logical conclusions for Rishi and for Eric with the conclusion of season three and the wrapping up of Peerpoint but we want to work with these people more we want our show to have them so we will just figure it out and we will bring them back and we will try to be honest and be true to what happened to these characters in the past but there wasn't enough room for it so I'm going to push back a little bit on those two characters because I think that there's something really interesting about the fact that they brought back two of the most beloved people on this show beyond maybe what the actual story structure supported.

41:43And they're almost like, this is what you get. This is what you get when you want these guys to come back because you think Eric has badass lines or you think Rishi is a legend or whatever. I'm not saying that they're critiquing the viewer or that there is some sort of like meta conversation about like why, you know, that often happened with succession where it's like, just so you know, these are bad people that you're cheering for, quote unquote. I don't think that's what's happening here. But I think that this is a world and a job and a set of consequences that chews people up and spits them out fast.

42:15And when you lose a couple of miles per hour off your fastball, like Eric did, Eric is a mess this season. He's fucking empty. he's an empty husk of a guy we find him he's basically spending his days playing golf he's left his family they bring him back he doesn't seem to have the same fire he doesn't seem to have the same acumen he's basically propping this fund up with his own money but all they can do is get meetings with these like kind of lesser known family desks of investments you know whatever and then every time eric is kind of needed or counted on he's also in the corner looking at his phone watching sweet peas only fans video or dialing up a teenage escort it turns out and he is being seduced into a world that he really no longer is built for um and you can make the same argument somewhat for what happens through rishi and it's like watching these guys who we kind of looked at as like bigger than life and previous seasons get atomized is really fascinating to me but i don't i do agree with you i agree with you about like the telling of the story though Yeah, I think that what you just did is an incredibly compelling argument for the fate of and treatment of those characters.

43:26And it takes nothing away from, you know, Cigar Radia and Ken Lung delivering arguably two of the best performances on the show this season. I just have the feeling that there was more there and there simply wasn't room for it. And that has continued this throughout. I was trying to think about aspects of the show that have been sacrificed for the complete, the grafting of an entirely new body onto an existing body of a show. There is a version of this season that I'm sure they've discussed or explored. We can ask them about this. And there are reasons why they chose not to do this. But starting this season with the breakup of Jonah and Whitney and Whitney taking over and then turning it into a bank.

44:17And then we are in real time as he's recruiting our characters into positions of power, all so the house of cards can fall down within an episode and a half. It's a lot of legwork. As opposed to starting the show with Tender as too good to be true already, and then we join it and we suddenly have access to its inner workings. There was a choice there to start that from scratch with the season. Yes. One of the things that have been, some of the things that have been sacrificed along the way in the service of this becoming a show about global finance and fraud and also international espionage and journalism is none of these characters have any home or personal life anymore.

45:00Now, you could argue that, like you did, artfully, that's the point. They have sacrificed every bit of themselves to become these full-time brain warriors in this arena that, you know, normals don't understand. Yeah, they've recreated PeerPoint inside of a hotel. It's smaller and smaller rooms. But it's like, there is no separation between like, I'm going home now. Harper lives in a hotel. Eric lives in a hotel. Like these guys, like they are just now these people who haunt these sort of in-between spaces of work and home. There is a, it's incredibly bleak as a human being watching the show to watch a show.

45:43And I don't think the comparison to the succession argument is, you weren't making this, but I mean the larger argument that, well, these are bad people. I don't think these are bad people. These are husks of people. They're not good or bad. They don't have, they're not full lives. They don't exist. They don't do anything. Harper doesn't live anywhere. Harper doesn't want anything other than dominance. Um, this is also where you start to feel the lack of a Rob who was too soft for this world. Ultimately, he was a romantic. It's where you start to feel the loss of the old Rishi voice. Remember Rishi became a prominent character in the show because Mickey and Conrad discovered that with the ADR, they could just pump jokes into an otherwise sterile environment.

46:32We've lost that voice and we've lost those jokes. it is hollowed out in a way that is quite bleak um and i know you have another revelation but i i just was feeling it so deeply in this episode that um that pit you know uh i love that i love that because i think it's really real i think it's i think that i've been searching for a foothold emotionally on this season. In the past, it's been evident. In the past, it's been Rob's attachment to Yasmin. In the past, it's been Harper's paternal obsession with Jesse Bloom. Whatever it's been, this recognizable thing that you've seen in other shows and you've heard in other stories.

47:19These people all openly being like, I am a construction and the only thing that's keeping me from self-immolation is a total victory or moments of euphoria or basically like women's sherbet and fluorescence, as Henry puts it, you know, and living in this euphoria either of success or excess. And I think that that is an uncomfortable place to be for 60 minutes a week sometimes, but as like a, I love it as an idea. I love it as an idea too. I'm just, I'm struggling with the week-to-week execution. You're struggling with a week-to-week execution of it, particularly because an episode like this, which on the one hand feels like it's designed to be totemic and iconic and have these enormous mythological falls.

48:10I mean, there's a line that made me stop in my tracks because I was like, wait, and there are many lines in the show where I'm like, what? But then it slowly, like, what is the line about, look at yourself, you're wavering at the scale of Valhalla. Like these are elevated, you know, elevated stakes, elevated scale. But in practice, in the naughty busyness of these 59 minutes, I was experiencing it as one scene after another of characters making speeches to each other. And we have the tapes, we have the records. I am a huge fan of the way these guys write dialogue, of the way these guys construct seasons of television.

48:54I struggled with this episode. And the moment that was the hardest for me in the midst of it was Eric goes on CNN with Whitney. And under the harsh studio lights of what is meant to be the real world, you know, not their shadow world that they exist in full of, you know, hotel club sandwiches and glory holes. like actually the Klieg lights are on and they're doing the public story. They quote Sun Tzu at each other and say more, you know, Valhalla shit. I was hungering for a moment of prose, I guess, to kind of like - Rather than the poetry. To drive it down because at a certain point, these people continue to talk at each other and I want them to actually talk.

49:42Henry is off the wagon, realizing that life is not worth living if you don't have euphoria. He and Whitney go out to a nightclub, I guess, you know, a London sex club where you dance, you stick your dick in some stuff. Did that differ from your experiences of London nightlife? Because I'm reading Surprise here. That's not how I remember. No, it's just...

50:14Kind of no show really does nightlife like this. No show does these people getting after it and communicates the feeling of it. And honestly, no show really does morning after this way. And I thought that their canal conversation was a highlight of this episode. But I guess Henry's personal relationship to substances and his relationship to his sexual identity and his marriage and just Henry in general was something I wanted to discuss with you. He has plenty of middle-class friends, which I thought was nice. Just while it's top of mind, the show does remain elite in its confidence in just dropping references to things that prove its bona fides and confuse 96 % of the listeners.

51:02Like, elite reference to Topjaw. I thought that was great. At the worst possible moment, you know? There wasn't even time for it. Do you think the Topjaw guys were like, they mentioned us on Industry I hear. Exactly. Let's see the exact moment when they do. Do you think eating with Todd is like, dodged a bullet there? Like, finally. Really, really low-key reference to Chiltern burning down, thus there not being anywhere to have fun anymore. Respect that. Yeah, the Henry thing, I mean, Kit Harington is phenomenal in the show. And it is interesting to think about all of the characters and all the performances in the light of the Ken Leung interview, because one of the things that I really have admired is that there have been moments in watching the season of the show where I am personally confused as to where and when these characters are in their emotional journey with themselves and with each other.

51:56And the actors appear completely confident. Now, I mean, they're great actors and famously, this is a very collaborative set and that Mickey and Conrad are very available to the actors and very close to the actors. So they're there to, you know, make sure they know what's going on. But clearly they, they understand where they are in the story, which is a, which is a good thing and a helpful thing as an anchor. Um, do you feel, does your more liberal attitude towards the, um, speed, the run of play here, does that apply to just to talk about Henry, to talk about where Henry has gone in this season in a relatively short amount of time and specifically the state of his marriage.

52:39Because the whisper down the line skepticism that opened the episode was interesting, but also to me felt a little reductive that Harper tells Yaz and Yaz says, fuck you. Then Yaz tells Henry and Henry says, fuck you. And then Henry goes to Whitney and he's a little - Whitney and Whitney's like, fucking A. Well said. In terms of the Henry emotional storyline, performance, great depth that he contains fantastic but in terms of where he is and what he's doing and how angry he is at Yasmin. I think he's angry because he wants to be whoever he wants to be at that given moment and he doesn't want anybody to tell him not to and I don't think that he and Yas are capable of being some on any given Wednesday we can we can go out and have a normal night like they they're either like crying making up with each other or fighting but I don't think they're capable of being the couple that I want.

53:39I think Yasmin projects out across decades of, you know, wealth and power in the UK aristocracy. I think she wants that. I think she wants to project forward a, a new stability that she lost with her father. And Henry is like, I can barely keep myself alive. And if I'm not feeling not only like the main character, but the prince who was promised like I literally have to be the guy who's out there saving the world with an app then it's not worth doing nothing is worth I just don't even want to get out of bed all I want to do is crush up pills under my combat boots and snort them off a harpsichord and die one of the low-key brilliant things about the way the character is presented is he is always in costume not at his costume birthday party which is telling, and that was his lowest moment, but he is always wearing the corporate swag.

54:38He was wearing the Lumi swag. He was wearing the tender swag. When he goes to the rough trade club or whatever that ends up being, he looks like he's always been there. Yeah. You know, and when he gave his speech at the event in the previous week, he is, you know, the shirt is unbuttoned just so and the sleeves are rolled up. He always looks the part because he himself is, you know, terrifyingly empty. Yeah, I just think that scene where he's waking up, everything has sort of gone to shit because Harper's done her presentation and Yasmin has been calling him and she finally gets him and is just like, I can't believe you're doing this to me again.

55:14Tells you everything you need to know about their relationship. Where are you with the Harper of it? I think that the Harper card, this has happened before in previous seasons. I think that the Harper, the centrality of Harper to this season will emerge in the last two episodes. Stern Tau is now just Stern again. Um, and she has done what Eric prophesized. She has become a world killer. You know, she is able to stand up in front of people and just be like, I make it. So I've declared that this is bullshit. You know, I saw some people online, um, critiquing the fact that there was no evidence, evidence that she wasn't really presenting a lot of evidence.

55:54She was just like, it's a, you know, house of cards on top of a Ponzi scheme. And that was like enough for people to be like, Oh, okay. but I don't think that that speech that she gave I think the whole point was that she was supposed to talk about women and finance and instead used it as a pivot to talking about I hope you'll indulge me instead of talking about whatever I'm going to show you a woman doing her job yes the jury's still out on Harper Mahalo's performance I'm not even talking about I'm talking about the character and what she's doing this season because she is a little bit... I think that they have left her emotional or character journey a little bit to the side as they have focused on Henry.

56:44Yeah, there is no... I mean, it's all off screen. And look, I'm fully aware of the inconsistencies here. We started this podcast by saying, you know what? Dunk is dunk. We don't need to know his traumatic origin story. And then we get to Harper and Harper, a character who, I quoted this last week, said in this season, my trauma is traumatic and that's enough of that. I admire that. I think it's a strong choice, particularly the way TV has gone the last 10 or 15 years. But you also have to deal with the consequences. And if everything that is emotional happens to the character off screen, or you shred a card and you take a phone call, that's asking a lot of the performer and it's asking a lot of your writing to have enough ballast to support her in all of the things that she does.

57:29So sometimes I just don't, I'm confounded. There's a difference between someone, a character who surprises everyone by zagging as Harper has done in the workplace. And then there's been moments this season where I've been actively confused. Like when Eric is delivering his, his speech on CNN and it cuts to Harper and she's like, wow. She's like, she's basically like, look at God. And I don't understand what he's doing. that's, I don't understand what's notable about that. I didn't fully get the power of what he was doing and why it was landing on her. And we then ended in a place that again, supports the nihilistic, these are shells who I love the analogy you used, who have lost their fastball and this is what happens to failed men, version of Eric.

58:14But it also, we have to say that this has been a four season, intensely intimate relationship that ends with a disappointment and rejection that felt it didn't feel final. It didn't feel ultimate. It felt of a piece with ways that they have argued and fought before. You mean the last scene? I'm not, and I want to be careful because I'm not criticizing the choice. I don't think these characters were ever bound for a hug. You know, I don't think that that was the nature of it. And it also might not be done. You know, we said last season, there's no way Rishi's on the show again. There might not be a way that Eric is on the show again.

58:55It is smart that they keep us guessing on that score. But I felt, I was disappointed that I didn't feel more in that parting because I wasn't on, I wasn't confident in my read of where everyone was in that moment. I think that the argument that I would make in favor of how that relationship concludes, even if it's disappointing for people who find Harper and Eric to be the most fascinating relationship in the show, of which I've often counted myself as one of their number, is that the reason Harper is good at what she does, if you accept that premise, is because she is invulnerable, because she has nothing to be vulnerable over.

59:43There is nothing about her family. There is nothing about her love life. There is nothing about her past. I mean yes she in previous seasons she was trying to cover up her she didn't have the degree that she said she had or maybe she wanted to hide certain aspects of her of her history or her biography but I don't think she's like that anymore and I don't think she cares about anything other than winning and she doesn't seem we've we've barely seen her outside of the office and when we have she's with people from the office um or doing things like having sex with Whitney in a scene that takes on a whole new kind of layer of symbolism from earlier in the season.

1:00:22She only exists to do one thing. She's a shark. And Eric, for as much acumen as he may have and for the 10 million that he threw in and for all that stuff, he's vulnerable. Yeah, they can't get her. And he has things to lose. And he can see right in front of him everything he stands to lose if this tape comes out. the kid's never going to speak to him again, you know? And I think that that is how we may want the hug and we may want the, the catharsis between Eric and Harper, but it's an indication of like one's built different. Yeah. I think that's, I, you know, the more we talk and I appreciate your level headedness on this.

1:01:05I, I imagine that if, and when I rewatch the season, I will be more enthralled by the possibilities and the expansion of the world. Well, you notice that everything that I'm saying, I'm like, here's this theme, or here's this idea, or here's this way that this made me... I don't disagree that there are clunky lines, that there are times when I'm like, this didn't quite connect or make sense. Like, it's not a flawless series or season. But I don't think that there's a show on TV that makes me think about this stuff the way industry does. There's even, you know, essentially a throwaway scene where they get to also like get a couple shots off at Trump and there's the American guy there and Chloe Peary delivers this withering put down.

1:01:48And when you get a moment like that, I'm like the audacity of the show to be all the things that it's been and also in its own very specific British way, take something from the wire in the sense of it's all connected and everything in this show. the phones in PeerPoint and the data lines are connected to every other building in London and in the world. And the audacity and imagination and creativity to say, our show runs the length of these cables, that it is connected. This isn't just about these people, you know, trying to get ahead or trying to get off or whatever the first season could be reduced to, I think is commendable and exciting.

1:02:32And so a scene like that, which we almost, we can barely have a moment to register as the car zooms past it, is really fascinating. And then you dig a little bit deeper into the metadata and you're like, you know, so much of the season's ideas and themes are inspired by the real life wire card fraud that happened in Germany. The Ben Taub piece from New York. Huge piece in the New Yorker about it that I remember reading at the time. And it takes on a different relevance after you've watched the show as well. You know, there's, you can read that and so much of it is about, well, Germany, like, Angela Merkel walked this profoundly fraudulent, riddled with Russian intelligence company up to President Xi and was like, you should do a deal with them because they're the pride of Germany.

1:03:25Primarily because Germany wanted to be in the fintech space. and they want the narrative. So to read that article as Mickey and Conrad did and say, well, what does England want? And what would it be like in England? And how does it become an English story by tying in the aristocracy and tabloid culture and everything else that it did is remarkable and thrilling and works from a top level. So it is, in the spirit of two episodes remaining, it does feel a little peevish to be like, these things aren't working for me but the project is remarkable. This show can be anything it wants to be, but there are costs to that.

1:04:04Look at you putting a button on stuff. Outside of my window, Noah's Ark is about to happen. There's like flash flooding. We just got flash flood warnings here in the studio. That's after the fire alarm stopped going off. I'm going to let you guys figure that out. This is our last show. What a way to go. If people have questions about industry, I'd love to hear from our listeners about how they're feeling about this season. Send us your emails, thewatch at spotify.com. thanks to Kai thanks to Kaya and hopefully I'm feeling better and I'll be in studio on Thursday you're amazing shout out DayQuil that's what it was it was DayQuil it wasn't that a weird hole in my bathroom that I went to go see you later