‘The American Revolution,’ ‘Industry’ S4 Trailer, ‘Pluribus’ E4, and ‘Landman’ S2E2

22:18Andy Greenwald:I didn't see that, but Charlie Heaton, I believe the guy's name. that is right he's at the nightclub yes just i'd love to bring it back stranger things whenever possible yeah he's in this and uh obviously kid harrington back uh and so this looked borderline like like a psychosexual thriller yeah um and we are obviously now contemplating this series without pure point but what is what were your takes on the series on the teaser it's a beautiful teaser. I agree with you. I'm good. I would say two things. One, I will say beautiful again. It looks gorgeous. The imagery is rich and iconic is the wrong word, but they're playing with a much, much, much more expensive visual palette, which doesn't mean they got their budget increased.

23:03Andy Greenwald:I just mean that one of the things that we were fascinated by in the third season, I think, was Mickey Down and Conrad Kay, our friends of the pod, took a bigger step forward, not just in terms of their creative storytelling, but creatively full stop. They directed the last episodes of that season. They are directing on this season as well. And they are taking the show into a visual, a different visual landscape. It's more, more baroque. There are scenes that look straight out of like Sophia Coppola's Marie Antoinette or further back to Barry Lyndon almost. And we, we commented on that in the last season.

23:37Andy Greenwald:I think that's fascinating. And I think that without getting into the content of it, which we haven't engaged with, I think it's exciting to see shows continue to take massive steps up in terms of ambition, certainly. And the other thing that I really enjoyed about the trailer was that it seemed to communicate a very tight focus on the relationship between Harper and Yasmin, which has always been there and has in many ways been the heartbeat of the series. but I am also a fan of shows that find their purpose in the show itself. Like, I don't know. Actually, I feel confident saying this without having them here to back me up or contradict me.

24:22Andy Greenwald:That if you had pulled those guys aside four or five or six years ago. And said, is this show about these two people? And about how they do or do not look after each other and how they cannot quit each other. I don't think that would have been the answer. And I think that in TV, that's great. In movies, that's a problem. Yeah. But in TV, if you are given the runway to grow and if you have the chops and the ambition to deliver on that, it's okay to find your story as you go because we certainly haven't suffered in terms of plot up to this point. So I find that really interesting. The only other trailer worth noting, I think, that came out this weekend or today is the Why Marshals, Y colon Marshals, which is the Casey spinoff of Yellowstone starring Luke Grimes.

25:04I only mention this I promise not to belabor the Taylor Sheridan stuff but that's my favorite character from Yellowstone now Casey is an ex-military guy who comes back and is like living adjacent to Yellowstone in Yellowstone the series he's living adjacent to Dutton Ranch and he has like a real push-pull relationship with his dad and his family and his legacy who's his dad? John Dutton the Kevin Costner character oh okay and he likes to Likes to kill guys in his role as a, I believe, Bureau of Land Management, but I can't quite remember. Maybe Ranchers Association. You're just making up words now.

25:44There's a lot of weird, like, is this actually a governmental agency or just a kill squad stuff going on in Yellowstone.

25:49Andy Greenwald:Like the people who investigate old age homes on land management. Sort of extra legal. Yeah. But in this, he obviously joins the United States Marshals, a group led by another actor I like quite a bit, Logan Marshall Green. I mean, so the thing I wanted to mention is just that this is apparently going to be on CBS. Yeah. As opposed to Paramount Plus, which most of Taylor Sheridan's stuff is. It also says executive produced by Taylor Sheridan. So I wonder whether or not, I think I mentioned when we were going through his, his sort of work that he owes, quote unquote, Paramount before moving to Peacock.

26:21I think he's executive producing this. I don't know if he's writing it. I didn't, I didn't catch who it was, but CBS and a different writer, it'll probably be a different kind of show. maybe a little bit more procedural.

26:33Andy Greenwald:I would like it if I could downgrade my own life from prestige streaming to basic broadcast network. I just feel like that would lower the temperature and the stakes to a degree that I think would be nice. Don't you think we should be able to do that? Yeah, I mean, it would be cool just to be like, there's no profanity, there's no gaping wounds, and we'll be back next week. And who's the director of the FBI for us? Whoever is the director of the FBI on a Dick Wolf show, who's just like, let's get the bad guys, It's not let's protect my girlfriend. You know what I mean? Like, just get the priorities right.

27:03Andy Greenwald:I would like that. I watched the trailer and I had two main takeaways. One, gorgeous. Sure. Gorgeous scenery. Yeah. Two, I'm really glad we're finally - As featured in Ken Burns' documentary, The West. See? It's all connected. It's all one series. I thought it looked beautiful. Charlie Heaton also walking across the - Briefly, you didn't notice him in either. That's one takeaway. Second takeaway is I'm very grateful that there will finally be an hour-long show that will once and for all answer the question, can you be a good person if you do bad things? I don't think we're going to get to the bottom of it and why Marshall's season one.

27:38Andy Greenwald:You think later on? Maybe season two, three, we get more of a clear answer. It's funny. It does... You could watch it on mute and you would know whose show it is, not because of the Yellowstone-ish settings, but because there's Warbird helicopters just looming out of not just like the budget document. Is Warbird a helicopter style? I don't know. You know what? it's a point of pride for me that I cannot distinguish. I know too. Apache and Black Hawk. Okay, that's great. How many do you think there are? Total. Like dozens, I'm sure. Or there are four. What would be more surprising to you? Over under how many more helicopters there are?

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31:35Andy Greenwald:I feel like once people heard we were doing PBS docs, they locked in, but okay, sure. Episode four for Pluribus, written by Alison Tatlock, who worked on Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul and is a Vince Gilligan coaching tree member. And this one picks up largely right after episode three where there's been this grenade explosion and Zosha has been injured. But Carol is undeterred in her quest for basically applying a narrative and getting a sense of the story that she is now occupying, which I thought was kind of the sort of underlying theme of this episode was this what would happen if a writer was put into this position and started to try and put together a story and put together rules of a universe.

32:24We also have a really interesting cold open that will probably impact later with the other resistant survivor of this situation. What did you think of the episode?

32:35Andy Greenwald:I loved this episode. I thought this was the strongest episode since the pilot. And I've liked all of them. But I thought this episode had such propulsion, the logic that is the hallmark of all Vince Gilligan shows. If not this, then that. You know, you see that even in the opening with the guy, Minusos, in Paraguay, like you see his thought process, you understand his circumstance all silently. You sprinkled a little bit on Paraguay there. Just a little bit. I caught it. I just wanted to make sure our listeners did. You were using your authority on war helicopters, and I was doing my part to just make sure the show has a little, this show, the watch has a little cultural sensitivity in these broken times.

33:18Andy Greenwald:That the intelligence on a character and emotional level, which would be Carol starting to work through something, right? Starting to begin to put together a plan, begin to put together a goal and begin to see how she can use the situation to her advantage. one of the things that I don't think it's really a nitpick but you did because you got a sense from some of the other survivors like how they were using this new reality yeah they were like I hit the lottery selfish ways sure there there is the kind of like fan fiction redditor version of watching the show where you're like well why isn't she just asking about all the secrets in the world like about whether who killed JFK exactly like what was Ken Burns going to make his next documentary on before he was unfortunately joined to the great collective in the sky.

34:09Well, she would be able to get visited by Ken Burns, theoretically.

34:12Andy Greenwald:That's right. Yeah. And Ken could be like, that's what Rick was going to do next? God damn it. But that she used it to ask about the most important question to her, which is not necessarily about secrets of planet Earth, but about what her wife truly thought about her work. So I just thought that there was like a really, really smart and elegant aligning of the larger plot propulsion with her own internal needs. I thought that was so well done. I also really appreciated the return of Menace because in the first episode, you have that great George Romero, Night of the Living Dead kind of horrific sequence.

34:54Andy Greenwald:And then since then, it has been played mostly for laughs in a way that makes me laugh every time. One of the best things about the show is every time anyone says, hi, Carol, I laugh. It's really funny. It's funny no matter what. And it's such a recurring, such a reliable bit. But the way this episode ended with the intensity of the hive mind and the group, first of all, just physically appearing and then weeping and then speaking in one, asking to save a life, please move aside. And you understood, again, the stakes that she was existing in in terms of every life on earth. It was super creepy.

35:30Andy Greenwald:and we can, I'll cede the floor, but I thought that this was also one of the show's thus far strongest, strongest episodes in terms of, boy, AI is a nightmare. So we'll circle back to that. What did you think about the foregrounding of her identity as a writer? Because I thought, aside from obviously, we get a glimpse of her whiteboard, we actually got a cool email about somebody from, a listener named Lauren emailed us about just being blown away by this hidden kind of mid-century modern writer's enclave that she has with the whiteboard trying to come up with new ideas for her romanticity series.

36:13And then she starts to apply that kind of architecture to her current situation. So writing down the things that she knows about the others. And furthermore, like you just alluded to, it's almost like if you could have any wish, if you could ask any question. And hers is like, but did you really like my writing?

36:33Andy Greenwald:Yeah, that is the most right. Yeah, I mean, all, one of the fun, okay, I'll say this, it's fun for us. I don't actually think it would be interesting to the majority of people who have fallen in love with these shows, but every successful television show of this, maybe of history, but certainly of this prestige era, they are all about writers. Yeah. And about writers' own experiences and their frustrations being in writers' rooms. Famously, that that's what the money is for speech was Matt Weiner's relationship with his mentor David Chase on The Sopranos. Vince Gilligan making his main character a writer, kind of hiding it for a little while, but a writer who is feeling like she's churning out the same thing over and over again.

37:14Andy Greenwald:Yes. And wants to be appreciated. Coming off of Vince Gilligan making 10 years or whatever, breaking that stuff. Almost 20 years of his life. Definitely 20 years, considering when he probably wrote the pilot. And is anyone going to like me for the other work that I do, or do they just want me to play the hits? Yeah. Is profound. and just the whiteboard being a symbol of the way TV is done. Yeah. Like, okay, do we like that idea? Let's put it up on the board and see what it looks like. It's very on the nose, but he continues to find a way to make it much more interesting than actually what goes on in these rooms.

37:45Do you have, in the back of your mind anywhere, watching this, like an itch where you're like, and what is this about? like what's going to happen? Where are we going?

37:58Andy Greenwald:No, certainly because this episode asked the big question and didn't shy away from it. Can I stop this? Can I undo this? And in one fraught silence, Carol gets her answer and we get our answer. And it's beautifully played because it's all we need for right now. Is the implication that you could undo it and everyone but these 13 people on earth would die? Could it be reversed? Could it be stopped or could it be reversed? Those are different questions. Suddenly now there's a roadmap, and not just a roadmap for Carol, but we understand that the show is as nice as the collective is being towards her.

38:36Andy Greenwald:There is a race on. Who's going to beat the other one first? Yes. That is a pretty successful cadence for a television series. Does Carol have to essentially indulge in her, I don't want to say nefarious, but perhaps underhanded methods of getting to that finish line where these people can't hurt her, can't lie, will do anything for her to make her happy. Carol is drugging them, tricking them, manipulating them, setting off explosives near them, and it could get much worse. It could get a lot darker. It's really interesting. You brought up the Paraguayan character in the cold open to some extent, And I saw noted in a couple of different recaps of the show that it was his response to the others is way more like an alien invasion movie.

39:30You know, he has isolated himself in a storage facility. He's refusing their. They're giving him catered meals, catered meals. And he just tips them over. No room service for him. And he's basically like licking the tins of of of canned food that he's finding in sugar packets and eating dog food. Yeah.

39:50Andy Greenwald:Couldn't be me. Yes. So that call happens while Carol's in the plane. By the way, that, and it's not just because of the South American setting, but it did give me each or not vibes. Because he's not even leaving a locked facility. Yeah.

40:06They're obviously, like, their union, they seem of like minds about the situation. So I'm very excited for their union, and I'm excited to see whether or not Carol needs to bring a translator with her. She made herself understood.

40:20Andy Greenwald:would say with her. No, but like if they need to sort of hash out how they're going to do something, obviously like everybody in the world outside of her knows Spanish. So she could bring somebody, but they're going to then be privy to what they're discussing. What, how did you, what was your take? Well, let me just say one other thing before we get into the actual like mechanics of what she was doing and what she was injecting and when. the two great cameos this week Jeff Hiller Mayor Tim Keller yes who's smiling visage and he's actually the mayor of Albuquerque yes his smiling visage greeted me every time I got off a plane in Albuquerque he's been in office quite some time he's our contemporary same age as us how long has he been in office clearly accomplished a lot more is there term limits in Albuquerque mayoral elections I should have googled that haven't don't know but he was definitely the mayor in 2018 and 2019.

41:17Andy Greenwald:Okay. Oh, maybe he had to step down for a few years. Maybe there was an interregnum. Should we spread a little dirt? Or maybe Putin'd it where like he's now - He became the vice mayor for a couple years. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Oh, damn. Elbegirky is a pretty interesting place. I thought that was great. And then Jeff Heller recently off his Emmy win. Yeah. Somebody somewhere. One of the fun things about the premise is anybody could be on the show, either potentially as themselves, as we saw in The Mayor or any actor could show up at some point also as themselves or as a character. And because it's Vince Gilligan just flexing on the show, he's like, I like that guy.

41:52Andy Greenwald:I want him to be the one to deliver some of this news. Would you have been excited if Jesse Pinkman sold her some heroin? Oh, well, he didn't dabble in that. He kept it pretty clean. He just stayed with the blue. Yeah. I did like that scene with the pharmacist. Wait, didn't Jesse's girlfriend? Yes. Yeah, but he didn't. Sell it. And also after that happened, which chronologically would be before the events of Floribus. So he probably would have been like, Carol, let me tell you, this is a dark road you're going down. I think 100%. And her dad, the air traffic controller, maybe he had some things to say.

42:24Andy Greenwald:Jesus, I forgot about him. It's a fun show. Fun show. So yeah, what did you think of the whole truth serum? Ingenious concept. We don't get enough truth serum in shows anymore. Well, I also liked the fact that she screwed it up. You know, when she gave it to Zosia, like in that, it's not, it wasn't just like, oh yeah, of course, there's just truth serum. It's really easy to give to somebody who's also been through a traumatic medical experience. Do you think, I didn't watch, if there were scenes from next week, I didn't watch them. Zosia, like now two, that's two straight cliffhangers for her?

43:02Andy Greenwald:Yeah, that's a tough beat for her. What do you think? She show up in episode five? I think so. I think so. Maybe a little extra ration of strawberry milk. They're going to keep her apart from Carol, who seems dead set on trying to kill her? She does like her, though. She likes her, likes her. She admitted it. Yeah. Under oath. That's what I call sodium pencil. Do you think we should do a truth serum episode of this pod? Brother, every episode is a truth serum episode. Never lied once. Neither is Taylor Sheridan. To my detriment. Yeah. Let's get into Landman. Episode two, which I think I texted you after I watched.

43:36You did. And I said, that was legit good. And then I went back and watched it again. Did you change your thought? Well, I wanted to basically, because last time I think we were sort of stunned into awe, but also into incredulity that Angela's white truffle meltdown, and we've gotten several emails about Central Market, how it would not be in Midland. Angela would have purchased those truffles in Fort Worth and then brought them.

44:04Andy Greenwald:Well, distance does not seem to be an issue for people with trucks. Or private planes. Or private planes. They do seem to cover a lot of road miles. Yes, as does Tommy in this episode, who seems to crisscross Texas three times. He just turns right. I mean, first of all, we'll get to his parenting style, which I really, really came around to this episode. But he just pulled a Yui. So we have a return to the nursing home, which is honestly like giving me a tumor. Did you watch it on your bingo card? No, I knew that it was, I honestly am pretty upset about it. Are you? Let me hold space for that.

44:37Talk to me. Okay, no, because I don't want to leave with it.

44:39Andy Greenwald:Okay, what do you want to lead with? I want to lead with the fact that this was the Cooper, Tommy, TJ stuff. The Coopers' Too Good to Be True oil wells was a very good corrective. Yes. And that I thought Sam Elliott, Jacob Laughlin, and Billy Bob were pretty close to awesome in this episode. Yes. And that there was some stuff that hit right on the head, like Tommy talking about how if you have a son, you're basically like whatever you do to that kid he's going to do to his kid and all that stuff and I thought when Cooper's like I love you and Tommy's like it's hot today yeah that's how I feel in the studio right now it's good stuff I was like this is what it's all about there was a beautiful moment in front of a sunset when I was just looking at the screen and I was like this is working for me there's three generations of men two of whom are in the same generation but it is no less effective Ken Burns is the same generation Ken Burns what do you call it when you have an 80 year old a 70 year old and a 29 year old and they're just like ah we three are the same we share experience to each other in an absolutely even fashion yeah it's like that remember like that old image Ken Burns knows what I'm talking about of like the arc of man it's just like as a baby as a toddler and then at the end it's like that picture but two on one side of the hill and one guy on the other side of the hill looking at the other guys being like careful uh it's great uh you were saying though you're watching the sunset did you have like uh what was your feeling about their their acting and their their right the writing of those scenes i was i'll start with the positives i was truly truly shocked at the show's ability to twice in an episode just steer out of a ditch of its own making.

46:38Andy Greenwald:Yes. The first one you alluded to, which is, oh, Cooper's too good to be true situation is too good to be true. Yes. Now, the scolds view of this might be if you lace a storyline with equal amounts of hope and doubt, you have a richer experience. Taylor Sheridan says, hold my beers. what if I told you an absolute just zipless success story until it ends in a brick wall when dad comes and explains it to him yeah I maybe wasn't watching the first season as closely they never showed Cooper going to I don't believe that they ever showed him going to get financing from a shady cartel linked business so him it was like him going to other guys yeah and being like I can help you with what you already have.

47:28These big oil companies don't take care of you. I'm interested in you and this well, and we're going to make money together. And I thought, and then they've kind of changed it to Cooper on the arm got like$30 million to start digging six wells. Which are now, which all hit. And hire all these guys, and they've all hit. But I would imagine the fine print of that contract, which Cooper, like up until now, it would have been like, seems like the kind of guy who would have read a contract or gotten somebody to read it.

47:58Andy Greenwald:He seemed super buttoned up in the first season, taking care of everything. Then he becomes essentially a half billionaire overnight, cries about it. His girlfriend is just like, I don't like this. You made too much money too quickly. Please leave my home. Also, you can never not answer your phone, which is understandable. Yeah, I related to that. and then turns to his father who is just like you have made a generational mistake here my son I'm glad you're bringing this to me look I don't care how the show stumbles into stakes I'm glad they found it and the fact did anyone watching Landman think that first of all I have a lot of things to say actually how much time do we have here Nate or Neil whatever they've only been sharing a house for a year and a half but don't let facts get in the way of a bit.

48:52Andy Greenwald:I like that his legal prowess is borne out by the fact that he, in the midst of all of his other busy work waiting for dinner, Googles Sonrisa and is like, oh, there's a picture of the owner on the internet. Investobon, yeah. And it's the cartel leader from the end of last season. Played by Andy Garcia. So great. But again, however you get there, you got there. Yes. However many U-turns on a Texas highway it takes, good stuff. Similarly, the Cooper storyline is, and since season one, has been really the only thing that has anything. It's like Matt Saracen. It's the only, it's the thing that you're like, oh, yes, okay, I'm connected to this guy.

49:32Andy Greenwald:The journey of a land boy trying to become a land man is interesting. Right. And again, stumbling into it, finally finding a circumstance in which Tommy cannot lecture his way out of, Well, he gives it a couple shots. He does give it a couple shots. Then emotion gets the better of him. I don't care what it took to get there for him to actually have to shut up, but he got there. Yes. Now, on the journey to getting there, did he have to mansplain our current government's policy towards open drilling to radio DJs? Yeah, we had that scene. We 100 % had that scene. Yeah. But we got there. So the moment when, let me just say it this way.

50:17Andy Greenwald:We've watched a lot of compelling television this year. There has been the anxiety and stress of watching the mass shooting event on the pit. There has been the absolute white knuckle emotional roller coaster of the four one shot only episodes of adolescence. Yes. But nothing this year on television has had me on the edge of my seat. like the moment when Tommy turns to his son and says, do you want me to tell you how to deal with a woman? I was like, this is, this could go in so many directions. You just said you got to listen to her. I did not have that on my list of potential responses. Okay.

50:56Andy Greenwald:I, if you had just blind called me and given me the setup, I would have given you six responses that would have all been more like from the Andrew Tate playbook. Yes, of course. or the Andrew Huberman playbook than the Andrew Greenwald playbook. Okay? There's only three Andrews. The three Andrews you meet in heaven, but two are on one side of the hill and one's on the other, if you know what I mean. So, kudos. Kudos, Taylor. Kudos, Tommy. A nice scene. And fairly good advice. And kudos to Rebecca Falcone in her new role as legal counsel for Emtex Oil. Let's go. And she gets to negotiate. And let me tell you something.

51:35The only thing that she likes more than negotiating is putting her purse right in the crook of her arm when she walks into a negotiation room.

51:43Andy Greenwald:This is what I wanted to talk about. I wonder if it's a little bit of intentional misdirection. Like, let's screw up in one way to cover the other way. Because I continue to believe that no one involved with this show has ever even liaised with anyone in the legal profession. Like, not even like a cursory, like, well, we ticked that box. You know what I mean? like maybe not even in the contracts but none of that matters because what they've done is they've cast an actor to play Rebecca who I don't think has ever held a bag before. Like I think she may be a talented actor. If you know this might just be Fort Worth bag style.

52:23Andy Greenwald:We don't know. It could be. The way she holds bags reminds me of the way Steve Carell talks about women's breasts in 40 year old virgin. I do. Certainly a handbag is to be held only in the crook of one's velociraptor arm and carried in the room to distract. And then she just goes in and wrecks shop. Has she ever walked into a negotiation or a meeting of other lawyers and been like, hey guys, nice to see you. Let's get to the first agenda item. Should we order some Jones on Thursday? She always walks in and is just like, you mewling little babies. Yes. Can I? Mother is here. She was serving. Yeah.

53:02Andy Greenwald:And once again, she told a room full of six people how it was going to go. And they were like, well. Respectfully. Respectfully, you're right. You're right. You've done it. I love freeze framing the legal scenes, like, because there's always the principal dude who's about to get cucked. Right. There's the secondary dude who's just like, I didn't get cucked with the same ferocity. Yes. Thus, I want to hire the cucker. But I'm going to get a drive-by cucking on the way out. Sure. Just a little taste of it. And then there's the extras. because one of whom invariably will just be typing, being like, and then she said, I am a worthless beta.

53:39Andy Greenwald:Am I wrong? Because I think this is the most clever thing about the episode. The guy who got the drive-by. Yeah. Am I right that that is the actor Christopher Stanley who played Henry Francis, Betty Draper's second husband? And I was wondering where I had seen him before. Because if so, that is a clever bit of meta. casting. Sure. Because Don Draper It just shows you how things have changed in this country. Don Draper left his wife in this show. He left the earthly plane. And then look who swoops in to make life challenging for him. It's Henry Francis. You mentioned Monty, the late, great Monty.

54:18He apparently has stolen $400 million. It happens. And that is going to be one of the... I mean, it's so funny. I want to say, obviously, a season-long question is going to be... We don't know that. It's like, I think Cammy's going to figure this out after spending 10 minutes in his completely untouched office.

54:36Andy Greenwald:The Cammy office montage was elite. I dare our viewers to set that to any music available to them to find the best one. Like one thing that shows up on my feed constantly. Any song from Brat will work. Sure. One thing that shows up on my feed constantly is Cholo Dance Daily, where a dude is just doing like big dance, like while the cars are bouncing and you put it to music that it shouldn't fit with, but it does. Do that for the Tammy scene, please. Okay. Fine. Honestly, with this show, it could be Tammy by next week. But her with her thinking glasses and her Googling? Yeah. I loved it. So there we go.

55:11And then we'll probably get some Andy Garcia next week, I would hope.

55:13Andy Greenwald:Do you feel... How did you feel about Adriana's heel turn? Like, did you... Were you heartbroken? I know that there are no notes for this show. Clearly. But that felt like a note. Not a note, like, in terms of it felt alien. It was just, like... They all of a sudden thought of consequences and obstacles for multiple characters in this episode where there had been none. Yes. I was legit like, is Cooper going to become an evil oil baron? Because he's just made half a billion dollars. He's got the love of his life. And is this about how oil corrupts the innocent? Right. And no, Tommy's going to have to get involved, get his hands dirty in this situation.

55:57I also just really still like, I almost want to watch Landman with you more than I want to watch The Eagles with you. Because I want to know how you're feeling when we have a five minute scene of guys making venison burritos. Yeah. And you're just like, why are we doing this? So that's kind of like. That's Taylor Sheridan though. Like that's, he loves a crew making a meal before they go do something. It's a lean meat.

56:21Andy Greenwald:Yeah. It's organic. so in your mind to me the crew making breakfast burritos is like playing doing 12 personnel even though we don't have a backup tight end looking block why are we bunching personnel asking Calcaterra to run block yeah or like scheming something up for a back shoulder throw to Kylan Granson on third and long like what are we doing and yet there are people like you who watch that and you're like didn't expect that that is a surprise this really is the two types of people because you could look at Landman and be like Cooper's attempt to make a name for himself scratching and clawing in the already depleted Permian Basin to win respect of his father and money and status in the world that is a series long arc Taylor Sheridan was like I'm gonna knock that out in the opening eight and then the real problem is that the cartel owns part of his multi-million dollar business and we're all yeah and you're like I'm interested.

57:21Andy Greenwald:Yeah. That's interesting. Well, I think you watch a lot of television, the Royal U, and what they do is they'll come up with half a dozen characters, and then they're like, well, we have to come up with 18 different things to happen to just these six people over the course of let's elastic pull it out so that we get to eight hours, we get to 10 hours. And what Taylor Sheridan does is he fills time by the most random crap, where it'll be like the nursing home scene. And I loathe the nursing home stuff. Or like, what is Angela making for dinner tonight? Or what are these guys eating for breakfast before their pre-dawn oil drilling drive?

58:02So it's just a few more slices of life.

58:06Andy Greenwald:By the way, I realized that in my notes - And I eat the whole pie. I'm calling, I wrote Cammy as Tammy, and I also wrote Angela's name as Tammy. So clearly I am not the watcher on the wall that you guys were promised? It's just all Tammy? What if there's a Landman spinoff called The Two Tammies and it's about Cammie and Angela? I mean, neither of them are Tammies? Yeah. I guess the thing that I do respect even in a... Even though it does get my hackles up slightly is that like Taylor Sheridan just doesn't accept... It's not just that he doesn't accept notes. He just doesn't accept any kind of rational no.

58:42Andy Greenwald:Like he creates this scene where they go back to the old age home and get everyone drunk and an old guy playing pocket pool tossing dollar bills while Granny makes a clap. Like, sure. So far, I have no notes. And then the Department of Senior Citizens. The Department of Old Age Safety Alert come in. And as soon as they walk in, I'm like, those guys are trouble. Those guys don't like to have a good time. You can tell. And then he's like, what I want to happen is I want Angela to end the scene in handcuffs. But logic and the way planet Earth operates does not give me the opportunity because no one who works for the, essentially, I imagine, unaccredited state agency to make sure old people aren't getting drunk in the day department.

59:26Andy Greenwald:None of them are going to respond to a woman saying, I poured those drinks for them myself by physically assaulting her. And he's just like, the play demands it. Yes. In that, he is like William Shakespeare. He really is. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, I'm sorry, the Globe Theater crowd is raucous and they demand a circus. instead it's Jerry World it's AT &T Stadium they demand a nightmare we can wrap it up there it's been great talking to you today I feel like we covered a lot of ground well we had a lot of ground between us and thanks to Kai and Kaya I hope everybody has a great Thanksgiving we'll be back remotely unfortunately for you you'll be leaving me but we'll be back next Monday we'll probably talk probably talk a little bit of Stranger Things even if you don't watch it I'll probably give my report card on those first few episodes I'm always ready to learn.

1:00:17And I'll let you know how the American Revolution works out.

1:00:19Andy Greenwald:Which one? The one in Ken Burns or the one that might or may not happen in the next eight days? Thanks, guys. Have a great Thanksgiving.