‘The Pitt’ Season 2 Teaser Trailer and ‘Platonic’ Season 2

21:23Andy Greenwald:I mean, I think the way that they've managed to make this like an absolutely batshit crazy. So what is the like, what is the subsection of the population that is tuning? Is it like MSNBC moms? Like, I think you've done it. I think you nailed it. Don't you mean MSNOW moms? Got me. Got to keep up with the branding. Yes, because I it is a classic.

21:52Andy Greenwald:it's a crackling oat brand show. And this is a reference from before. Did you see my eyes go blank? My favorite thing about growing up in the 80s was that we all just believed stuff. And I feel like we've covered this in some way. I know. I know there was objective truth, but also we were all real gullible. So maybe nothing's changed. But in the late 80s, they introduced a cereal called crackling oat bran. And it was the same time that everyone was like, cholesterol is a thing that you should be worried about. Cholesterol is bad. And the marketing for crackling oat bran cereal was this contains whatever that helps lower cholesterol because it has like whole grains or whatever.

22:28Andy Greenwald:So this became an obsession. It was like everyone in the country was buying crackling oat bran and shoveling bowls of the cereal to get their cholesterol down. At a certain point, someone I'm sure, you know, with good intentions and good faith mentioned, it's a delicious cereal. It's oatmeal cookies. Like you're just eating oatmeal cookies every morning because you're only listening to what it says on the advertising. And in fact, the sugar content is enormous. Right. This is the morning show in that I think it has the veneer of respectability and intelligence and the right politics, but it is a incredibly sugary soap opera.

23:04Andy Greenwald:No shame in that. But that is, I think, what it is and that is sustaining. I mean, it's kind of like Good Wife-esque, I guess. It feels... Look, I think Baranski did a great job on that show, but I wasn't really like a weekly watcher. That seemed to be a little more... Substantial. Maybe. But the real genius of The Morning Show is not just like their use of Apple's unlimited checkbook. It kind of feels like, and I know less about gambling than I know about the stock market, but it does feel like someone just continuing to raise a blackjack hand to get me to pay attention. Because I screenshotted the cast list, so let's just go through this quickly.

23:42Andy Greenwald:Because the season, I don't know what's going on. It's like they have a TV network, but the TV network poisoned people. And also it's not a feminist utopia as Jen had promised. Right. So, okay. So here's the cast. Ready? Jennifer Aniston, Reese Witherspoon. God bless you ladies. They still bank a million dollars each per episode. Is that true? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe more now. That was their deal for the first two seasons. You're probably right. It's probably more. That's slightly more than Chris makes per episode of podcasts on the Ringer Network. We don't disclose numbers. That's true. We don't actually know that.

24:11Andy Greenwald:Billy Crudup who we love Jon Hamm Mark Duplass Karen Pittman Greta Lee in this season we add Marion Cotillard coming off the bench love her where's she been hanging with Daniel Craig in some French villa God right you know what she's probably been doing being happy because she's beautiful and classy in French wait sorry I got for the record I got Marion Cotillard and Rachel Weisz mixed up and that's my apologies Oh, you, right. You don't want people to think that there's an affair going on. Daniel Craig and Rachel Weisz are married. Yes. I thought you meant that maybe they were couple friends.

24:49Andy Greenwald:That'd be cool. At no moment in that did I think you had any, there was nothing bad about what you said. I just imagine the beautiful, smart, rich people do hang out in the countryside together. Honestly, you're probably right. I would, like, that would be my Us Weekly. Just pictures of them, like, hanging out. Like, maybe even drinking non-elks, you know, playing with their kids by the pool. Take me away. Do you need a vacation? Yeah, I kind of do. Everyone else is taking one. Watch favorite Boyd Holbrook has joined the show this season. Nestor Carbonell, coming off his memorable turn on Shogun, has joined the cast.

25:27Andy Greenwald:The great Jeremy Irons, Nicole Behery, and watch friend William Jackson Harper from The Good Place. And Aaron Pierre is on this show. Aaron Pierre, who is an Ascendant movie star, is the last bill. One of the breakout stars of last year. Who is now a Green Lantern in the DC universe is just doing a couple eps on the morning show. Maybe he's a fan. Do you think that's what it is? I would like to believe that every single new person they added to the cast this year, they were like, I love this show. And also, you know what? Email in if you're still watching the morning show. I think people are. I mean, everyone seems happy with it.

26:08Andy Greenwald:certainly the people who are making it. Does Apple continue making shows because they're getting good critical reception? I mean, the morning show gets nominated. All of these actors get nominated for Emmys. It gets nominated for Emmys, which matters. I think that this is an example of, I think it was John Landgraf had his thing where he's just like, there's the Venn diagram and the key to success is the overlapping of a few of these things. And it was like, ratings do matter, but so does Critical Buzz and, you know, water cooler like maybe if they're like with we just hold on a little bit longer make a few more seasons this will get into like an and and just like that territory where people are like hate watching i think they probably have that now i think i think the thing is apple is clearly happy with the quality and they're attracting a lot of actors with either quality or quality of life meaning paychecks and good hang but this is proof of concept for what apple always wanted and it was from the minute they greenlit it with stars attached but no take.

27:05Andy Greenwald:Because this was all based on the Brian Stelter book Top of the Morning and the producer, former HBO guy, Michael Ellenberg, had the rights to the book and he got Reese Witherspoon and Jennifer Aniston to agree to be a part of a show kind of based on the book and they had no take. It's just like from another era. It is. It just started like in such a... I think it started in the time when it was like movie stars on TV is still kind of... It was. And Apple wanted to say not only to show that they're open for business with the town but so that in every Apple store they could have these two beloved stars and it would look shiny and it would be appealing and that was worth it for them.

27:39Andy Greenwald:It's obviously now that they're just billboards that say Cash App and have Timothee Chalamet on it. Like all the lines have fallen, all the firewalls. But essentially like Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon probably wouldn't do iPod commercials but they get paid however many millions of dollars a year to be on every Apple product. So it works for them. um okay so that's great this is also great that like you are so ready to step onto this chair on the watch because not only are you watching decade old German films you are more than ready to do 10 minutes on shows that we don't watch this is like classic and I know people love that they love it you're in the comments you know that they're thrilled when we do that speaking of shows that we don't watch I just wanted to check in with your summer I turn pretty summer it's going really well You're all the way in.

28:31Yeah. God, there's just so much. It just reminds me of shows I watched in high school, because it's made for high school kids. And I just haven't engaged with that kind of content in a really long time. So it's really hitting a little bit of a nostalgia. Heart flutter nostalgia. Yeah. Enough so where I can get past the kind of cringe teen writing. And God, the music budget on that show.

28:56Andy Greenwald:This is what my kids tell me. It's insane. It's Taylor, right? All over the place? It's Taylor. It's Ariana Grande. Damn. It's, yeah, like, I think they, in their most recent episode, they used an Ariana Grande song. It's just basically, like, top 40 pop hits. And it's, they love, they love a music drop on that show. My children, like, it's working. Because my children say, Taylor lets them use all of her songs because she knows how good of a show it is. Like, it's working. Like that makes them feel more confident in the show because Taylor approves of it, even if she just approves of the check Amazon's cutting her.

29:32Andy Greenwald:I don't know. Yeah. Taylor Swift has a very interesting, it's very. Go on. This will do numbers for us. Talk about how interesting she is. It's very, she has a very like specific, like she's very specific about which movies and TV shows she lets like use her song. And it's just like incredibly random. like it'll be like how to train a dragon to maybe it's not random maybe it's just whatever coughs up the most money but yeah it's just she lends her music to very specific things I don't know if you saw that like Mark Maron article from a couple weeks ago about how much he paid to let so he could use her song in his comedy special so you know Mark Maron Samurai Turned Pretty The Bear The Bearhead Love Story Oh my god, yeah.

30:23Andy Greenwald:Great job. My only update for the Summer I Turned Pretty discourse is my 12-year-old has now fully caught up. It took two weeks, all three seasons. Wow. I need to get on her level. In between catching up, she just sort of casually read the third book because she wants to know everything. Yeah, I guess there's a lot of book lore that, yeah. So here's her take. I don't want to color your watch, so to speak. But like she thinks the biggest change is that it was about Conrad and that Conrad is made much more likable in the show. OK. Than he is in the book. Are you trying to make your team Jerry campaign still?

31:03Andy Greenwald:Yes. I am a lonely fighter on this. People are disgusted by this take. Like they say it is. What's the word everyone's using? Disqualifying. But listen, I think it makes good podcasting when I just pop off on something I know nothing about. But she thinks that because the books are from Belly's POV, Conrad seems moodier and more distant than he does as a fully realized, from what I understand, incredibly handsome character on television. Yeah, I mean, he just has that brooding, dark, moody thing going for him. So that's catnip. I get it. That's my life. but apparently he goes to therapy and has panic attacks and stuff on the show that makes him more yeah he's sensitive if anyone likes the other guy just write in I did a couple weeks ago when you guys were talking about it and Chris was like oh Jer is bisexual I was like oh I wonder I wonder when they'll all get to that part they'll start kind of hitting at that no episode 4 he's making out with a guy that's fun for him Yeah.

32:16Andy Greenwald:I'm like, this show is good. That's different than like Dawson's Creek or whatever. When you say, oh, this is going to depress me. When you say high school shows, what's your version of the show? Probably like Vampire Diaries. Okay.

32:33Vampire Diaries, Degrassi. I'm forgetting one that was really big. Yeah, I would say like Vampire Diaries, Degrassi. oh, Gossip Girl was basically anything CW is what I was...

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35:40Andy Greenwald:All right. All of this is really just prelude for the thing that I most want to talk about, which is the Apple series, Platonic. Great. I believe Chris and I touched on season one incredibly briefly when it premiered two years ago. It was May 2023. I don't know if we could have covered it less, honestly, because we watched the premiere and we were like, I like everyone involved in the show. Mm-hmm. Love Seth Rogen. Love Rose Byrne. Like the concept. Seems like a fun hang. I'm good. And I don't know whether that was temperamentally where I was at that time. Sure. Or if, or option number two. Or are we just in the absolute dead of summer right now?

36:23Well, or, yes.

36:25Andy Greenwald:So either I was in the wrong place for the show or the other alternative is that the show has improved markedly and come into its own in a second season that even its creators, the married couple Nick Stoller who people may remember acting in the studio the other Seth Rogen show and his wife Francesca Delbanco they didn't even think there was a second season in the show but whatever what's the word money they threw at them to dig deep and find a reason seems to have freed them up and inspired them because I'm curious for other people's feedback but I'm finding this season of the show and I'm caught up there have been four episodes you've watched a couple I'm finding this to be absolutely terrific Really, really funny.

37:05Andy Greenwald:A wonderful hang. Yeah. It is not an old-fashioned comedy in the sense that this is incredibly expensive. They're movie stars. It's single camera. Shot in LA. And its attitude about the 405 as a viable artery to traverse Southern California places it deep into fantasy territory. Did you appreciate the Legoland shout-out? Yes. The only reason anyone with kids drives south of here. Yes.

37:34Andy Greenwald:it's really hitting for me right now and I'm curious what your perspective was because you kindly knowing you had to step in today took a break from dystopia and watched the show instead yeah so I put this on last night and Nick saw Seth Rogen and was like oh did they already make more of the studio and I'm like no this is a different Apple show with Seth Rogen yeah it's good I watched the first two episodes of season two. I did not watch any of season one. And you were not lost. I mean, I think this is - No, I mean - I think you guys get it. Yeah, the season one recap played. The only thing I need context on that maybe I would have gotten in season one is why is Seth Rogen dressed like that?

38:18Andy Greenwald:I can't wait to talk about this with you. They don't explain it. Never. No, I mean, so broadly speaking, Seth Rogen is a hero. Yeah. Because for many reasons, I think he's incredibly talented and really funny, but he seems to have figured out how to make Waves vaguely, all of this work. Yeah. And one of the ways he's done this is he's now just in business with Apple and he makes two different comedies for them. One that he is the creative, with Evan Goldberg, the creative director of one, he's just an actor in. He has figured out ways to do what he does best, which is play kind of the same guy always.

38:51Andy Greenwald:Yeah. But differentiate this version to such a degree that he is incredibly, specifically fashionable in both shows. It is a specific fashion. Yeah. In studio, it's very old-fashioned, double-breasted suits always, and his cool glasses and the whole studio head shtick. In this, he is color-blocked like a pastel parody of a Hawaiian punch commercial. Yeah. Constantly wearing bucket hats and necklaces and shorts. And sandals and high socks. And he has like a weird like floppy banana phone case. And in every scene, he's wearing another iteration of this absolutely, yeah, so aesthetic. So it's never a dress in season one.

39:36No one is ever like, hey, are you going through a midlife crisis? Is that why you're dressed like this?

39:41Andy Greenwald:To be clear, I watched one episode of season one. Okay. When the show begins, and you know, you don't even need to explain any of it. He and Rose Byrne are adults who are slightly different as adults who were best friends in college. And they reconnect. They are completely platonic. And they need each other and they complicate each other's lives. And it's very fun. In the beginning of the first season, he was like he had a brewery or brew pub in. Lucky Penny. Yes. In our beloved DTLA. In our district. Right down the street. He could have come on the podcast to promote his loggers or whatever. And he just kind of dresses like that, which is not so crazy for men of his age and body type in Los Angeles.

40:23Andy Greenwald:But I just think this season. Please weigh in. this season, they just pushed every dial up to 11 and I find it delightful. I just find the choices that they're making for his fashion, like what he wears to his engagement party in this season, is what he, it's borderline crazy. Yeah. But it has so much personality that it enlivens what could otherwise be a kind of middle brow show. And similarly, they dress Rose Byrne who is more of like a tightly wound mother of three. Right. They do this, they do a similar let's push all our chips in aesthetic with like her little cardigans and that very like I guess she's West Side Mom aesthetic.

41:05Andy Greenwald:But she is the queen of face acting. Her faces are elite on this show. And the spirit of it is look, it's just a phenomenal hang and we don't have a lot of fun hangs anymore. But I also think it's doing a remarkably good job of scratching two itches. one is there aren't R-rated comedies in the theaters anymore Naked Gun maybe hoping to be an exception to the rule but the Apatow style like this is we're just gonna go hang out with these people for a while those don't get made anymore certainly not into theaters it's scratching that itch for me and has a nice like well I think it's very smart of them to instead of be like we are going to make a Neighbors 3 did they make 3 of them?

41:51they made 2 they made 2 we'll make a Neighbors 3 or we'll make a neighbors-based sitcom. They were just like, okay, these two people have incredible chemistry. Let's just make a TV show around them.

42:05Andy Greenwald:And fill out the margins with people that you're going to want to see and spend time with, like Andrew Lopez, who people have seen recently on The Bear, or Carla Gallo, who's been in all these Apatow projects over the years. Funny young people from the internets like Vinnie Thomas. it just it's just a very satisfying Rachel Rosenblum who plays the Beyonce this season Beyonce is great the other itch that it scratches for me is it reminds me of a very very high budget You're the Worst yeah did you watch You're the Worst? I love You're the Worst You're the Worst one of the great sitcoms of the century and just an elite hang show but it was also an elite LA hang show in a way that made it feel fun and And, you know, understands that this is an insanely often stupid and frustrating place to live, but sometimes has some personality and quirk.

42:56Andy Greenwald:And the way that this shows attitude towards the gang is doing something or has to get to a place is it's really hitting that. Also, shout out Love, which is a very... Paul Rustin and Gillian Jacobs. Yeah. Did you ever watch Con? Oh, Chris loved it. I watched the first one. I was okay with it, but I didn't get into it. It was a Mandzukas recommendation. and maybe it's just because Rose Byrne is Australian and Colin from the Counts is set in Australia, but it's also the similar vein where it's just middle-aged people. I'm sorry? Nothing. Hanging out and also maybe because the lead guy in Colin from the Counts also works at a brewery.

43:38Andy Greenwald:Oh, there you go. So yeah, it was giving me that vibe. So the show is, you know, so Nick Stoller and his wife, they've done, they did the show Friends from College but Nick has also I liked I like Friend from College it had a similar vibe and he you know in the world of the studio he's making the Kool-Aid movie but he's also made like Neighbors like he does these sorts of comedies they know what they're doing and what's remarkable about this is they straddle a line between like you don't need the concept here that there are adults who don't have sex with each other but they are friends that's would have run eight seasons on CBS 20 years ago.

44:19Andy Greenwald:But in today's like hyper serialized world where they have to tell a story that is really hard to find stakes. What I find really impressive about the first half of this season is that they have managed to make it super funny. Like he's working now for a corporate chain of restaurants that the nickname of them is J6. J6 bit is really, really good. So these are just actually good laugh out loud jokes. There's a bit of physical comedy in the fourth episode that I won't spoil but is one of the reasons why this engagement might not work out. Is so shocking. I haven't seen that coming. There's no spoilers.

44:49Andy Greenwald:It's so shocking and so funny that it made me sit up on the couch. It does those things. But it also is within the framework of, is he going to marry the wrong person? How do we judge our friend's happiness? What do we owe each other as friends? It also throws in stuff about like, what do we want in a marriage or a long-term friendship or like actually kind of wise emotional beats. It's like the episode, I don't know if you got to this one. Did you get to the Wild Card episode? Where Beck Bennett shows up as their third wheel friend, who they call Wild Card, who shows up to have fun with them, but he keeps falling asleep, which is me tonight at the American Cinematheque Friends of the Fest event.

45:31Andy Greenwald:Like, it's remarkably nuanced, actually, in the way that it's able to have insightful things to say, while also being a silly comedy where people dress like that and can just go hang out at the Long Beach Aquarium at 10 p.m.? Yeah, they're like, he lives in San Diego, but is like constantly coming up to L.A. for a week dinner. I'm like, I mean. And to be clear, this is the most L.A. conversation we've ever had. I'm not saying it's not possible for the Long Beach Aquarium, a family favorite, by the way, for it to be open at night for an adult event. I'm sure it is. I would love to attend. Looks super fun.

46:10Andy Greenwald:I'm saying no one in the history of Los Angeles since the days of like, let's go get a bottle, see, and drive up the coast. And like Raymond Chandler times has looked at their friends at 10 p.m. and been like, let's go to Long Beach. Let's go to Long Beach, yeah. That doesn't happen. But on this show it does. It's just like, I don't know. It's good counter-programming too. They put it on the summer. They put it on at the right time. And I just, I like these people creatively and on the screen. and I'm really enjoying my time with the show. More than, I don't know, what would you compare it to?

46:48Andy Greenwald:Like, I don't want to, I also really did enjoy Nobody Wants This. It has a little bit more bite than Nobody Wants This. This is hitting more for me right now. I don't know if it's just because I just think Seth Rogen's awesome or is it because of the tenor, the tone, the vibe, what it's striving to do? I don't know. Or the fact that once you find a reason. I mean, it definitely is a heavier joke show than Nobody Wants This. Yeah, there's veterans of like 30 Rock on the staff. They do know what they're doing. A much higher joke per minute going here than Nobody Wants This. So did you allow Nick to think this was the studio for a certain amount of time?

47:28I honestly should have.

47:29Andy Greenwald:You should have seen how long it would have gone. You do see, I mean, again, Rogan writes and directs the studio. Right. But clearly, he and Nick Stoller agree on a lot of the things that they find funny. There are a lot of long takes. There are a lot of pratfalls and physical comedy. He's just, I don't know, he's just like, I kind of like seeing, not just because I too am aging considerably, but I like people finding new gears for what they do or more comfort levels in what they do and just owning it the way he has across this year on Apple TV. It's kind of amazing. yeah I mean I think if like maybe Apple used their budget for more of this than for but I agree with you yeah but it's hard to do because this what's interesting about this to me is the Apple format that we were I don't know if we were criticizing but we were certainly pointing out with the morning show which is like throw money and celebrity at a problem and then you'll end up with something that is watchable or screenshotable or conversationable memeable like that seems to be the bet they take for that to end up as something that is just outright good seems harder to me yeah and not necessarily you know like in terms of comedy it's actually probably even harder i remember like when netflix was so excited they announced they had the new show from greg daniels you know who who created the american version of the office and co-created parks and rec with steve carell and it's going to be called space force and they threw money at it and they were so excited and it was kind of inert.

49:05Andy Greenwald:It was just like, we understand that this has the shape of a comedy that's popular, but it didn't have the soul of it. Yeah, it's funny because it's like, I wouldn't call this show like particularly inventive at all. Like, did you ever, and did you watch Four Seasons? I did. I would say like, I would put this like kind of in the same vein as that. Yeah, I think that, I think it's a great comp. In this, the things that I liked about Four Seasons where, boy, I really like most of these people a lot and I kind of don't care what they're doing. Sure. And they're all looking good. So wouldn't you say the same about Platonic?

49:41Andy Greenwald:No, for me at least, and maybe it's because of the construction of the first half of the season, which is stakesy in the sense of like, is he going to marry someone or not? Like there's like a ticking clock in the way that, you know, a show like Hijack might have it. Whereas for seasons, I found the balance between and the desire to balance comedy and drama to be a little bit awkward at times. Like it was heavy handed when the meter was shifted from one to the other. It felt like a project that based on, I mean, because the movie was like this too, where Tina Fey and Luin Lang and, oh my God, I'm so sorry.

50:19Andy Greenwald:I'm forgetting the third person who created the show. They sat around and they were like, here's the mandate. We are going to make them laugh and we're going to make them cry. And you could feel it. and I feel like Platonic's mandate is like these two have a lot of fun together. Yeah. And what are the best possible scenarios we can put them in in order to accomplish that? Yeah, I will say for me, the show really... Tracy Wigfield, I'm so sorry. Tracy Wigfield. Sorry, let me say it again. I said Louis Lang for some reason, which is not, I think that may be her Instagram name. It's Tina Fey, Tracy Wigfield, Lang Fisher, all of whom work together on 30 Rock and other shows and they created The Four Seasons, a show we're not even officially talking about right now.

50:57Andy Greenwald:Okay. I love that show though. Did you love it? So you're hiding your take. I really, I think, I mean, I've seen less of Platonic than Four Seasons, but I do think Four Seasons was a little bit more my jam. I just... I think because I'm just younger at heart. So I like the younger show, Platonic, you know? I feel like we always switch like this, like with K-pop Demon Hunters. Wait, you were out on K-pop Demon Hunters? You didn't even watch it, right? You'd never heard about it. Yeah. but yeah that's why yeah but that's because my kids watch it like I they didn't watch platonic that is not okay for them I feel like with platonic I enjoyed it I think the scenes with Rose Byrne and Seth Rogen are very strong I think the scenes where they are separated are less strong and I like I think there's a lot of really talented people in that cast but I don't know if I think it's a little hard to see their like star power and chemistry right up against people who have less.

51:58Andy Greenwald:I get that. I did, this is just throwing this out there. The movie that I watched with my kids the other night was the, speaking of 2015, see we both watched movies from 2015 and talking about zigging and zagging. The movie I watched with my kids was the 2015 gentle comedy The Intern. I love The Intern. Okay. I just was casting, just casting into the river here. I fucking love that movie. No, it's great. It is, I'm not kidding and I also feel like I have the cinematic weight of Quentin Tarantino who said something similar. I think this is one of Robert De Niro's best performances. Yeah, yeah. I think he's amazing.

52:33I know, I think that's a widely agreed on take.

52:35Andy Greenwald:It should be because usually when he's in a not tough guy movie, it's like analyze this where he's playing off of that personality or meet the parents where he's funny, but the joke is that he's a hard ass. He's a complete cookie in this movie and he's completely charismatic and compelling and fun. and my kids are big Hathaway fans because of Devil Wears. Hathaway Heads? Hathaway Heads. Yes, Hath Heads. Hatha Heads. Because of Les Mis and because of Devil Wears Prada. So they psyched up for Devil Wears Prada too? My older daughter was like, I feel like this is a little bit like the in-between movie because she's a boss in this one.

53:12Andy Greenwald:It's like she was doing the timeline of it. Wow, extended Devil Wears Prada cinematic universe. They were though, the reason I thought of it wasn't just because I wanted to shout out that movie which I just really really like shout out Nancy Myers Netflix cut the check yeah they're not doing that right like that's why she hasn't made a movie the one thing that they struggled with was the Rene Russo Robert De Niro love story which is really doesn't get a lot of attention in the movie but they were like ew old people gross and I was like listen who among us

53:48yeah they

53:48Andy Greenwald:they also didn't I feel like I agree with him on this. The movie doesn't end. The ending is a little. Yeah. I don't love how it's like, uh, the guy, Zach Perlman. Is that? No, it's Andrews Holm from workaholics plays her like super soft batch, sweet stay at home. God, he sucks. But he sucks. And then you're like, he set up to suck because there's a twist. We know people haven't seen the 10 year old movie, the intern. Like maybe he's not as great of a guy as he seems to be. But then the victory, the Atlantic cover story, yes, ladies, you can have at all is that she will be her own girl boss of herself.

54:23It's very 2015. Okay,

54:26Andy Greenwald:what is more 2015 about this movie? That the hero's arc for the girl boss is that she wins back the love of her straying husband and also remains the sole proprietor of her thriving e-commerce business? Or the fact that the number one mode of communication in this movie is email. in 2015 all of these purportedly young people are like email me the data email me the directions email me this now I love emails but weren't people slacking in 2015 already? people were texting people were texting but I mean people had Gmail on their phone and so maybe I'm gonna just quick interjection do people not have that anymore?

55:10Andy Greenwald:do we not do that? no we still have Gmail on our phone but maybe I think now Slack is is the primary motive I don't know. I don't know when Slack was invented. I did not enjoy it during corporate America. It was around the time Dawson's Creek was on. No, the thing about that movie, it is an absolute fantasy land of pre-2016 universe. But it is also, in a good way, an old person's vision of what young people do, which is ride their bikes around Brooklyn warehouses and email each other. And frankly, I wish that's what I did. I wish that's what we did all day. A couple of times. God damn it. All right.

55:48Andy Greenwald:Well, I'm sure you have to get on a bike and ride to another recording session. Kai, it is always a pleasure to do the Watch podcast with you. Thank you for joining me today. Thanks for having me. I think we'll be back to talk Alien and to talk other topics, cultural and otherwise, next week with our good friend Chris Ryan, whom we love and we miss. I will not be here. Oh, right. Do you want to? I'll be in Italy. Look at them. also if anybody has like it's Italy specific cultural like you know like books TV shows movies specifically northern Italy oh that I might engage with the land of butter not olive oil northern Italy yes so yeah hit the email wow so you are just to be clear you are now using our podcast email just to solicit recommendations for a vacation.

56:44Andy Greenwald:Yeah. I'm glad someone on this podcast is taking a vacation. You deserve it. Have a wonderful trip. Thank you for going out in style. Of course. And we'll see some of you next week, Francis.

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