Will Apple Own the Emmys This Year? Plus, ‘House of the Dragon’ S3E4 With Joanna Robinson.

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20:01Joanna Robinson:This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Listening to this podcast instead of doom scrolling? Smart move. Another smart move? Getting help from one of State Farm's 19 ,000 local agents when you choose to bundle home and auto. Bundling. Just another way to save with the personal price plan. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings, and eligibility vary by state. you know the limited series has been uh a category in flux i would say uh this there's no white lotus this year to dominate it i suppose but shogun moving out of limited didn't it move out of limited anthology into outstanding drama the year that it won and its return is i suppose still imminent but like i don't know when yeah they're still filming i believe so So next year.

20:54And then Task announcing that it was going to be a continuing series rather than a limited series tweaks this limited series category. And I do wonder if Task would have walked this if it had just been like a one off like Mare style. Although, you know, with Julianne Nicholson coming now, everything is now everything is an ongoing series. I'm very excited. Is Love Story just going to walk this category because of its popularity? What do you think is going to happen here?

21:22Joanna Robinson:I would have said possibly yes, except he didn't get nominated. Oh, yeah. And that's, I mean, I think sort of deservedly so. But I would love for like Constance Zimmer to win for that show. I did not love that show at all. But I thought there were a couple of great performances. I liked Beef Season 2 a lot more than a lot of people did. So, you know. I like Beef Season 2 a lot. It got pretty well nominated as well. But yeah, it's a very funky year for that category. Yeah, I can't tell... I can't get a feel for the DTF fandom or the feeling of DTF among the awards block. Yeah. The voting block.

22:02Joanna Robinson:But Bateman is always like a real power player in the awards space. And he's running for Black Rabbit, I think, in some one of those categories. But I was struck by, you know, when we were talking about it and Andy and I were a little bit dismissive, I admit. but it was just like the passion with which people responded to us being like no you've got to keep giving it a chance you've got to keep giving it yeah we got so many emails why aren't you covering DTF what's wrong with you and I think Steve Conrad has like a really dedicated fan base but this went beyond that I think this this really caught on with some people you mentioned beef beast in me I think could also be a surprise here people liked that yeah I thought it was entertaining like with a lot of limited series especially a Netflix limited series I'm like there are episodes I really liked.

22:45Joanna Robinson:Yeah. You know, like if you put Claire Danes and Matthew Rhys in a room and let them cook for an episode, that's great. And then elsewise, you're like, I mean, I'm going through this with Cape Fear right now, but like why, you're like, why isn't this many episodes? Why is this happening to me? Why isn't this a movie? Riz Ahmed getting nominated for Bait, I was really happy to see that. Because I really liked that show and that was just like a huge passion project for a performer that I really liked. Yeah, I was very happy to see him in the Digger trailer. seemingly really understanding the assignment maybe even more than some of the other people in that movie uh i was curious where your head was at now that we've kind of gotten out on the other side of the me eligibility calendar part of the calendar and now we're entering into this sort of summer and i don't know why i have this association over the last 10 years like really for the almost the entire time i've been doing the pod with andy that summer's busy the game of Thrones is on or, you know, there's there's a couple of shows on during the summer that keep people really occupied.

23:46And then that there is more of like this 12 month TV calendar. And now I almost feel like we are reverting back to pre-streaming. Yeah.

23:55Joanna Robinson:Remember there was no TV is a September to May activity. And and the summers are essentially a ghost ghost town. Yeah. I kind of feels like that's where we're going again. I mean, as the whole thing is swinging back to, as like, didn't Netflix just announce that they're introducing like channels? Always on channels. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're just trying to reinvent the thing that we fled from in the first place. My understanding is that part of that is as these various streamers move from subscribers at any cost to, fuck, we actually have to make a profit. That's changing their sort of throw anything at the wall and see if it sticks, which goes back to your question about limited series.

24:36Joanna Robinson:Yeah. Because what I've heard is that nobody wants a limited series anymore, right? Because you can't build a library off of a limited series. You can't get that, like, sort of second season pop off a limited series, all this sort of stuff. And so it's not profitable. It was all the rage. And when it was in its heyday, like when, you know, you and I at different outlets were covering True Detective and Fargo and all the rest. And I think you and I like the night of. Yeah. And I think you and I as fans of the British TV models. I mean, I'll just speak for myself. I got I was like, yeah, do what British TV does so well.

25:17Joanna Robinson:But it's not turning. It's almost like British TV is on a government model. They're not turning a profit. Right. And so they're sort of like, OK, this is too expensive. Well, it's now and when you look at because when I was looking at what's coming out this summer. Yeah. And there's a couple of Apple, specifically Apple, bringing over British made series. And there's been some talk in British media about like, is the BBC or is our television industry essentially a feeder system for Hollywood now? Apple and Netflix. Interesting. Which I'm sure is profitable for the, you know, because they are not dealing with the same economic model that the American film television industry are.

25:59but I don't know I mean I think that on one hand I kind of welcome the break of there not being like an always like 12 month a year constant rush of tv shows but I now almost think they've over corrected and there's like a huge dead zone here for somebody to be like why don't we put this here yeah um like in the next couple of weeks this is what's coming out

26:24Joanna Robinson:soon I mean from what I can tell we're covering came here exactly yeah that's why we spent 10 weeks doing star city uh eight weeks uh lucky ted lasso those are apple summer shows lucky and ted lasso and then slow horses comes out in september but slow horses at this point is like you've either got season tickets or you don't like netflix has the hawk which has been on the stove for a while it's the will ferrell golf comedy yes that uh rami yousef had been involved with and now has different uh and can't throw a rock in this town without hitting a billboard exactly um and the only other thing that jumped out at me aside from tires season three was uh the bombing of pan am 103 which i think only appeals to us because of the cast connor swindles connor swindles eddie marzan peter mullen merritt weaver uh and patrick j adams what a lineup but it looks like a very very procedural like tick tock of this tragedy and i don't really know like like how much ground there was already a locker b miniseries i think that was on peacock yeah with colin firth like a year or two ago that's what i saw for them it's also six episodes which may be a bit long uh for that story but i don't remember uh because it should be a movie yes yeah probably we love television but so many of these things should be movies uh paramount basically lioness season three which that's for you obviously i'm very excited about but that's it for them thank you paramount thank you thank you daddy david for serving me fx has the shards yeah ryan murphy's adaptation of bready stanellis's novel yeah hbo's got lanterns unless i'm unless i have missed something no absolutely not and those are shards and lanterns and adults and a bunch of that stuff is like later in August.

28:19Joanna Robinson:Yeah, exactly. And it's not like they got out of the wave or something. Did they get out of the wave of the Odyssey? I don't know. The World Cup? The World Cup? I've not experienced a summer like this in a long time in terms of like looking at what to cover and being completely baffled. I would love to know the algorithm of like, this is why we have to put 10 shows out on Apple in two months, but then one or two shows for June, for late June, July, and the beginning of August. But I mean, they had Maximum Pleasure Guaranteed, Cape Fear, Lucky. Star City. Star City. I'm sorry. That's okay, no. But I did watch the first episode of Star City.

28:57Joanna Robinson:Did you like it? I did really like it, but I was also like, oh, this is made in a lab for you, so I understood why. It's Russian Andor. Yeah, exactly. I was like, oh, it's Lives of Others. Great. I had a great time. The Shards, I'm fascinated by. I'm fascinated by this YA show swing that's happening that Apple apparently doesn't want anything to do with, but Amazon is leaning all the way in. Oh, my God. Right. Like, they're like, this is our brand now. All I hear is people humping. Not me involved, but like coming out of the television. Young people humping. But yeah, it's. She's a hockey player and she's this.

29:34And yeah, I'm just like, OK, like, let's let's give it a shot.

29:37Joanna Robinson:I suppose. Yeah. I don't know what to tell you. Like, it's fascinating. But what I will say to all the people who run streamers who are listening to this podcast, what an opportunity you have next summer to absolutely own the space if you want to. Yeah, I mean, it'll be I can't tell the way Sean kind of has a feel for production cycles, release schedule cycles on the big picture and like what's happening in Hollywood and why people are clearing out this weekend, but coming hard for this weekend and whether or not something that is August, the new dump you wary kind of thing. I don't really have a feel for that.

30:11I would imagine these companies are pretty sophisticated at this point. They must have data that suggests, like, let's steer clear of late July. Everybody's gone. But I don't know.

30:22Joanna Robinson:Possibly. But also, I think it goes back to that whole, like, you know, and this is what Sean is talking about a lot recently on The Big Pick, where it's just like audiences will no longer just eat crap, right? They have had a decade plus of crap of like, we made whatever. And we're going to throw it at the wall and see what sticks. And they're getting tired of it. And they want things that are actually good. And that is slowing down. That is slowing down the entire. I mean, we're in post-peak TV now, right? We're in a contraction era. I feel like we're in something of a swoon. Yeah. I think between the feeling that something is going to change with the merger, I think getting out from under the extraordinary spending, but also the weird arms race that happened between all these upstart streamers.

31:17I think everybody is kind of like, there's a kind of show that people are happy to have on, but don't really feel the need to talk about. Or at least they don't talk about it to me. People don't come up to me to talk about all her fault. People don't, you know what I mean?

31:31Joanna Robinson:But like, does that mean the battle is won, but we have to win the war differently? Do you know? Well, I guess it depends on what's your goal. Like, is the goal to have something like Widow's Bay that feels like actual, the closest thing we have to a water cooler show in the last couple of months? Is the goal just for everybody to like make money and keep people blithely entertained a la it's 1986 and my stories are on? And, you know, if that's the case, like, that's why Chloe 70s in Five Star Weekend, you know, because she's like, it's a good paycheck. My mom gets to watch it. Like, people enjoy this stuff.

32:08Joanna Robinson:Netflix, most of all, is confusing to me because, like, once again, we don't have Nielsen ratings really in these places to track things. We have to take their word for it in certain things. And every time I open up the Netflix homepage and look at the top 10 of what everyone is watching, and I'm like, but people aren't talking about this, you know. Well, because they're also watching it completely on their own schedule and their own. On their own schedule, but like, but also second screening, barely watching. It's just noise that's on, you know, and so it's not permeating in any kind of way. And so that doesn't lend itself to the longevity or the loyalty that something like The Pit will or otherwise.

32:45Joanna Robinson:Yeah. I mean, even with The Pit, I, you know, anecdotally knew people who would wait till there was five or six episodes stored up to start watching The Pit so that they could binge. you know what I mean like I think that people's television viewing habits have changed so profoundly and they've gotten so wise like you know fantasy avoiding and or spoilers for like a year and a half is stunning to me that he was able to be like man season two of and or is incredible and I'm like you didn't know what happened you didn't hear about like that big part and that's a guy who's really online so I think people have gotten pretty good at being like I'll bookmark this and get to it when I want to get to it.

33:25Joanna Robinson:Yeah. And then what you have to create, I mean, whatever, I'm just telling them to make old fashioned television as I always do. But like you have to create an urgent, a sense of urgency. If I don't watch The Pit, then I don't get to talk to everyone about The Pit and have an opinion on The Pit. And like what I hear so often from our listeners is, and this is very as much true for House of R as anything else, is like I want to wait until the season's over and hear what everyone thinks whether or not they thought it was good before I even start it. Because is this going to fall off a cliff? Am I going to start something and it's going to fall off a cliff?

33:56Joanna Robinson:And I feel like I invested all this time and I wasted my time. So I'll just wait till everyone watches all of Lanterns before, for example, or Spider Noir or whatever it is, and start it. And then they either don't get to it or everyone's watching on their own speed. You know what I mean? But like once you're three seasons into the pit, is that still how you approach the pit? That would be really fascinating because like also like will people be like, okay, I've seen all the pits tricks. Sure. You know what I mean? Possibly. But like if you make it through the potentials off more slump, which the pit did not experience, then it just becomes a show everyone increasingly everyone watches.

34:36Joanna Robinson:Right. I mean like that's why we – Remember television? Yeah. I mean I think that like that's why a show like Succession is like more of a miracle than it is commonplace. Right. You know what I mean? that the show builds and builds and builds is able to consistently surprise people with things that happen on screen that still feel very much part of the fabric of the story it's telling. Right, narratively, yeah, yeah. But feel like I gotta go home and watch Succession tonight because I don't want people to be making bore on the floor jokes at the office and I don't know what they're talking about.

35:07Bleak summer, but we still have House of the Dragon for a couple more weeks. Hot D, baby. I did not share my feelings with you on Talk of the Thrones. I thought this was like a really good episode I think not quite as I didn't have the same feeling for it that I did about three this was a real like damn ravens really be flying everywhere because there was a lot of like a raven has told me that this is happening and I'm like these ravens like kind of almost like emails remember last week you're like

35:36Joanna Robinson:why are people flying their dragons remember this week you're like ravens yeah they should fly everywhere you know this was I guess in some ways like a James Norton showcase episode That's 100 % what it was. And we also really, we got to see Darren. I liked up until like even the frame before he was like, Darren, come here. You're like, that's Darren. I know that's Darren. You can't trick me twice. When your guy Brasso from Andor, Jon Roxton, walks in, he's like my prince. Yes, that was cool. We wound up talking largely about James Norton's character, Orman Hightower, and Darren Targaryen. And I just think it's really exciting in the third season of a show that I've always quite liked to get characters that feel so urgent and exciting and new.

36:22Joanna Robinson:Yes. I am deeply emotionally invested in Darren Targaryen for some reason. Like, I just think, did you watch Bly Manor at all on Netflix? Okay. Is Darren on Bly Manor? That kid was on Bly Manor and he played like a little— Wait, the Flanagan thing? Yeah. I must have. I mean, I've seen, I think I've seen all the Flanagan shows. It was the second one after Hell House. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that. Yeah. So there's two kids in that show, and he was one of them, and they get, like, possessed by ghosts at a certain point, and they're so scary. Yeah. Yeah, the, like, turn of the screw Henry James sort of thing.

36:52Joanna Robinson:And so he's so, he was so creepy and so good in that. And he's going to be Link in the Zelda movie, which I have some questions about as well. But, like, this kid is someone to watch, and I just find him really, he's fantastic. And that character is a character we don't really have, haven't had on House of the Dragon. It feels much more like a Thrones character than House of the Dragon. I was going to ask about that because the Ormond-Darren stuff felt very well written, but in a way that didn't feel entirely tethered to text. You know what's interesting is that episode was written by David Hancock, who you called out last season, who was on The Crown.

37:33Joanna Robinson:Oh, yeah. And you call that last season is like an elevation in the language and stuff like that. And so I do think it's interesting that they brought him on for this and he'll be on another episode this season. But brought him back to really, really introduce us to this kind of Crown-esque storyline over here in Templeton. I thought, you know, for as repulsive as Ormond is, articulating like some anti-Targaryen sentiment in a way that sort of would fit with highborn Westerosi people where they're just like, I can't believe we're all dying because these incestuous maniacs are burning everybody.

38:11Although he also has some other hotter takes about it.

38:15Joanna Robinson:Yeah, he does. No, I mean, I think it's interesting because I don't know what this is about me. Something that the House of the Dragon has always offered up to us is a complicated conflict where there are good points made on both sides. And there isn't, you know, you've always been team green, but there isn't supposed to be like a dyed-in-the-wool villain and a clear hero. It's trying to give you something emotionally complex. and then all of a sudden like Ormond Hightower shows up like a villain, a real villain shows up and I'm really, and maybe I'm just like, I'm just really excited. Yes. And I'm like, oh no, do I need basic like good versus evil in order to feel a certain way about Westeros?

38:57Joanna Robinson:I don't know. Yeah, they did some really nice fake outs in this episode. I thought Ormond in bringing back the... Hugh Hammer's brother-in-law. Hugh Hammer's brother-in-law. Also from Andor. Yeah, that's right. and executing him or having Darren pop his cherry, execution cherry. I also thought that the Damon Reina scene was quite good and gave that character a slightly different pitch to throw, which I thought was welcome. Damon is among my favorite reasons for watching the show and Matt Smith's performance. But having him just be like, God, what do I have to do to save this girl's life? and was just an excellent scene and an excellent piece of plot mechanics, I thought.

39:44I think this season is already so much better than season two,

39:48Joanna Robinson:and I'm curious to see if we feel like we continue to climb. Yes. Or, you know, I don't know what the— Like, even the people who reviewed this season, I think, only got the first four episodes. Yeah. I don't know what the back half is going to do. I saw on Vulture, the Vulture's recap, foregrounded the, like, I was told there would be battles sentiment. It was kind of like I thought after last season and all the throat clearing, like we were going to get some real like some action. And I think that will inevitably be the second half of the season. I don't know how much longer we're going to have to wait, but it's weird because it's like, I do know what's going to happen.

40:28Yeah, you read the wikis. I've read the wikis, you know? And so I'm kind of like, Like, it's funny to not have any kind of, like, mystery to it, but also, like, a lot of anticipation for some of these sequences that I think are coming up.

40:44Joanna Robinson:But what's interesting about wiki reading or even Fire and Blood reading is that it doesn't, you know, like, there's so little content in episodes three and four that are from the book. Fire and Blood. You know? And so, you know, our whole shtick of, like, let's explain what happened in the book versus the show, you have to, like, sort of think outside the box in terms of how you cover it. And that's exciting for us because we don't know. We know what happens, but we don't really know how it happens. And I can't wait to find out. Do you think that because, you know, we have House of the Dragon.

41:11We're going to get another season of that. We have Young Egg on Night of the Seven Kingdoms, although not really full blown maniac Targaryen yet. And we might have Aegon's Conquest as a movie. Yeah. if I had told you uh 15 years ago 15 okay well however long ago when thrones debuted 10 15 years ago that the thrones project would be so targaryen based would you have been like that makes sense

41:43Joanna Robinson:because that's what a lot of the text is about well no only because george hadn't uh published fire and blood at that point okay and hadn't made it clear that like targaryen history was something that he was interested in. He had done Dunkin' Egg, but like Dunkin' Egg doesn't feel like a Targaryen story at all. And then he had written, he wrote this like wiki-esque book, you know, like a reference book almost that has some of the Targaryen history in it. But like Leaning into Fire and Blood, that being the only thing he's published since The Dance of Dragons, which is insane, gives them the best material to adapt.

42:17Is there other like Stark or Lannister? Yeah.

42:21Joanna Robinson:Well, they were supposed to do the, like, Corlys, Conquering the World show. There's, like, a Nymeria show. Like, there's just a lot of shows that they've floated. But, like, my understanding, immediately after Thrones ended, there were people who wanted to dunk an egg right away. And HBO said, we want dragons. So if you're going to have dragons, you've got to have Targaryens. So that's where we are. I mean, I would love it if there was like another thing in development that was maybe a little bit less blonde. Well, you know, I think what really excites me about Duncan A working as well, Nine of the Seven Kingdoms working as well as it did and getting Emmy nominated is like the possibility of the powers that be at HBO thinking, okay, where else in Westeros can we go?

43:11Joanna Robinson:That feels a little smaller, but more approachable and exciting for people. And there's this, you know, there's this play debuting in Stratford, I want to say, or in Oxford. I can't remember. They're doing a stage show called The Mad King, which, so that's Targaryen related. But it's about the tourney at Harrenhal, which is like kind of what kicked off the whole Roberts Rebellion war. But like that's kind of, even though it's called The Mad King, not really a Targaryen story. And so that's like pretty exciting that they're exploring that. I wonder. Do you want to go with Mallory and me to go see it?

43:42Sure.

43:42Joanna Robinson:Okay, great. In England? Yeah. I'll do anything in England. Yeah. That's what I was told. I wonder whether or not. I'm very curious to know, because like, you know, to the extent that I can tell, I think House of the Dragon is very well, like lots of people are watching it. Yes. You know, I'm always fascinated as I as I see people greet the Avengers Doomsday concept art, which may or may not be official or whatever it was with sort of like, oh, OK. Yeah. and reactions to the Russo's quotes and stuff like that being like, you guys aren't done this movie yet? This is coming out in like two months.

44:22What does that tell you? Well, I wonder whether Thrones will ever go the way of like, it's, you know, it had its moment and then it goes. Or is this like, how durable is this storytelling if George doesn't finish the books and or suggest something that happens after Jon Snow goes north?

44:38Joanna Robinson:Unlike Marvel, like what's your, what's your count? So Marvel, you're like, it had its moment, and now it's sort of running on fumes to a certain degree. Though I'm very excited for the Paul Bettany Vision show, personally. And also Wonder Man got a great Emmy nomination. He's amazing, that show. That was fantastic. But I won't disagree that Marvel's running on fumes right now. But, like, what's the world that, you know, Star Wars endured in its own way? Like, so is it just we need a galaxy, a galaxy far, far away to play with? A Westeros, a galaxy far, far away. Yeah, I think there's always going to be a fascination.

45:14I mean, I think that you we would probably look back on this time period and be like Dune was also quite dominant for eight years or however long it's going to be. Actually, more like five or six years, right?

45:24Joanna Robinson:Yeah, pretty fast clip. You know, there are different pieces of IP that reigns supreme at any given moment. I think one thing that's marked a lot of these things is that they have to go away for a while for people to miss them. And that's something that I don't think that the people who own the rights to these things are willing to do. Right. Anymore. They used to. Yeah. Well, I think, okay, so here's, I think, the problem with Marvel versus, a problem with Marvel versus Westeros is that Marvel's intention is for everything to click together in place. And so that means, despite them saying, oh, Black Panther is so different or this is so, you know, Doctor Strange is a horror or something like that, there's, you know, homogenous nature to Marvel that the Westeros space shows don't have to have.

46:14Joanna Robinson:And so the best example of that is Night of Seven Kingdoms, which does feel extremely tonally different, if not formally different than Thrones did. Hot D is trying to be more Thrones-like. But if we're thinking of an Aegon Conquest movie and a Mad King play and a comedy like Nine of the Seven Kingdoms, it just means that Westeros is a place where you can tell all kinds of stories, especially if you're not trying to make them click together. Yes. I mean, there's also like something fascinating about the fact that for a lot of these stories or a lot of these franchises, they do have like a demarcated, like this and this is when the story ends.

46:53Like, not only is Thrones not finished, but we have an idea. We know, like, they won.

47:00Joanna Robinson:One of my favorite reactions to the episode two of the season of Hati when Rhaenyra, you know, takes the King's Landing. They're like, all this for Bran to wind up on the throne. You know, like, all of this fuss and then Bran's going to sit on the throne. So, but I don't, you know, obviously Hot D is not as big as Thrones was at its peak. Night of the Seven Kingdoms is much beloved, but also a much smaller show. So definitely the ending of Thrones and House of Dragons season one, not quite scratching that itch for people, has shrunk. It's not like the audience has grown. It has contracted. But it's still like a very healthy audience.

47:39Joanna Robinson:Oh, yeah. And I think that like one thing I sometimes don't really understand until I like leave Los Angeles is how many people out there are like, oh, I've read those books like 10 times. Yeah. Like, you know, I know you and Mallory have, but I don't know sometimes like when I'm in a bar and somebody's like, well, I've read I've read it. I might just reread it to get ready for this or whatever. I mean, like it's it is it is a fandom that is pretty profound. It's true, but, like, that was also true of Wheel of Time. Sure. And then that just didn't stick. Sure. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I think Dune is a good comp for that in terms of, like, people will just read Dune over and over and over and over and over again.

48:18I mean, Dune is almost the inversion of Marvel because they were like, we have a filmmaker who's very special. Yeah. And because of that filmmaker, this cast will do it. And we are going to make this happen in a very condensed period of time.

48:31Joanna Robinson:Right. But also, Denis is, like, is not saying I'm going to adapt every Dune book. No. He's like, I'm doing the first two. Yes. And then we're done. Yes. That's what we're doing. We're doing a trilogy. Yeah. And will Warner Brothers say, okay, well, they did, right? Yeah. We got the Bene Gesserit show, which did not work, you know? So. Are you excited for Dune 3? Hugely excited. And I mean, I love the Odyssey. We're going to cover it extensively on House of R. You're going to cover it on the big pick. But like the Odyssey, I consider the Odyssey genre IP. Sure. So I think Project Hail Mary, The Odyssey, and Dune 3 being like the one, two, three of the tent poles of this year is good news for quality sort of genre adaptation.

49:15Yeah, but they increasingly seem to be big screen. You know? I know. It's just been a minute since. I mean, like even—I was trying to think of like any—I don't even think there is a Star Wars TV show, live action TV show. Is Ahsoka doing another season? Yes. Okay. Is that this year or next year?

49:32Joanna Robinson:Next year. It's definitely next year. Yeah. Is there another one in the works? Well, yeah. It's like there's no Star Trek project in the works. There's no Doctor Who. Like this is, I think, the first time in, I don't know, 50 years that there isn't either a Doctor Who or a Star Trek project in the works. Yeah. It's a big, weird time. I hope nothing like really bad happened the last time that occurred. Right. Johnny, thank you so much for joining me. Oh, my God. What a thrill. Thanks to Kaya and Kai and Sarah. We'll be back on Thursday with Andy covering a bunch of stuff that we missed. Everybody have a wonderful World Cup semifinals.

50:05Any predictions?

50:06Joanna Robinson:I'm going to go Argentina-Spain. That's what I think. Okay. But you're the expert. That's what everyone's saying. These are the best four teams in the world, and I think that this is really, really tight on both sides. Yeah. But it was interesting, the Argentina-Swiss game. They had some momentum. They did. They were sweating. They did. Big Gianni came in and was just like, we've got to get these guys out of here. I can't have the Swiss in the semifinals. We'll talk to you guys on Thursday.