Diets That Lower Cancer Risk, Collagen Hype & The Mental Health Divide

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0:59welcome to the wellness scoop your weekly dose of health and wellness inspiration and as always we are both here as your hosts i'm ella mills and i'm rianna nambet and after a decade in the wellness industry we know how overwhelming and confusing health advice can be and that's why we're here with this podcast to cut through the noise and make healthier living simple fun and personal and guys this is episode 99 we're nearly 100 I know I think there's something I don't know we have thinking about this over the weekend and I'm just going to apologize to everyone in advance because I had breakfast but I don't feel like I had a big enough breakfast I've now had two coffees and I am definitely a jittery jittery woman who might struggle to read things um this morning so let's give this a go but I remember when we first spoke about the show it was this sense of like let's just do something that feels fun that feels meaningful to both of us that feels really personal and safe completely where we can bring nuance where we can have opinions and we can really build a community around that of like-minded people and we want to do it in a way totally transparently that works for us because we both have loads of other work commitments we both have two small children which is why we don't film it so that we can make this flexible we can make it work sometimes it's remote sometimes like today it's in person and let's just give it a go let's lose like the lights camera action huge production and make it genuinely just super super personal and authentic because then it is authentic and real i think the minute you've got a camera crew in you can't help but change i certainly did as soon as we brought that on to the old delicious yellow podcast i always felt on edge anyway so we thought let's just give it a go and there's something about reaching episode 100 and then we've got you guys listening in over 150 countries that's crazy six million downloads it just feels really real and like this is really over the last year it's actually become something and we did it i'm a bit lost for words to be honest everyone it's unbelievable and i always read as i tell you all the the comments of spotify we've got our email address of course and it's overwhelming to just hear yeah the support so We're all in the same place together.

3:09So thank you. So Thursday's episode will be a landmark number 100. Number 100. But today, Rhi, what have we got coming up for you all? In today's show, we have the 1.8 million person study on diet and cancer risk that everybody's talking about and what does it really mean? Collagen, we're going to go there. Is it a miracle glow up or very expensive powder? New data gives us the answers. is mental health really declining in younger generations and why smartphones ultra processed food and the four drivers behind the mental health divide and then we have have we hit peak wellness the trends that are set to shape 2026 and as always the small practical shifts you can actually make this week.

4:00Okay, so last week was book week. The Fibre Formula came out on Thursday. We had the amazing event to celebrate. How are you feeling? Yeah, Ella did a lovely interview for me at the event and I made a little film, you know, like a fibre film to showcase the fact that it's needed. Do you know how I feel? It's a very strange thing to say is that I knew it wasn't going to be easy. I know that even though on this podcast, you're probably fed up with me waxing lyrical about fiber, but mainstream, it's still not quite there in the way that I think it should be. Yeah. In the way protein is. However, I feel I have made a dent and that feeling in itself is a wonderful one to have.

4:42So thank you to everybody for helping raise awareness about a nutrient that quite frankly saves lives um so it's been busy ella i've been it was wild obesity day i gave a talk about obesity day yes we're going to do a deep dive into that next week aren't we yeah i think we'll do that then because there's a lot to be said on that and i'm really looking now as well into looking up childhood nutrition so i've got a lot of things um planned to try and make a change in younger generations up but anyway it's been busy ella how about you i love that it's so important it's really interesting i know our children a similar age but my girls are five and six nearly seven and it's amazing they are very interested and curious about their bodies about nutrition i mean don't get me wrong they love like lollipops and sweeties and things as well but they are very very interested and they often ask like do my bugs like this yeah the pet the pet the pets in their tummies yeah make it we talked about this the other week about kind of visualizing for children this idea about their microbiome and talking about instead of maybe gut bugs are having a pet in their tummy that they can feed Skye has just a singular giraffe but May's now literally got a zoo it starts with like one hamster and one guinea pig and then it was two of each and suddenly it's like a mummy one and a daddy one and loads and loads of baby ones that's so sweet my boys are just like tiger, lion and she's got like a whole menagerie in her stomach I'll tell you what I have been so into as you guys probably know I've been on my sourdough journey okay can you give us a little bit of a lowdown because it looked the loaf you made recently that you shared looked perfect It looked like the most I did.

6:11I actually think I've cracked it, if I'm going to be honest, if I can say that. I feel like I've cracked it and I just love making it. There's something, as you know, I've been learning to slow down this year after kind of just an insane kind of decade or so building a business. And I'm trying to recalibrate and go a bit more slowly for a little bit. And what I really like about sourdough is there's something about that delayed gratification of, you know, it takes 24, 36 hours to make a loaf of bread. And there's something about the appreciation at the end of that, which I love. but also we've been doing as you guys probably know a big um building work project at our new house which we are getting to the end of how's the kitchen now well the kitchen is bombsite it is yeah it's not good um we're like midway through changing the kitchen so i have been obsessed with things on toast and i just wanted to shout that out because i always think you'd a bit like porridge toast sometimes gets this terrible wrap but actually it's just the best carrier and the thing that I've been making that I'm obsessed with is blitzing up peas just blanch some peas for a few minutes with a tin or a jar of white beans like haricot beans butter beans whichever ones you've got lots of tahini loads of lemon a little bit of yogurt salt and pepper oh my gosh it's so good thick creamy slather that on toast just the winnable wins I actually really wish I had that right now to really help me against my over consumption of coffee and under consumption clearly a breakfast.

7:33I've got a prep porridge with me but I'd much rather have your delicious toast although I have to say it's quite nice to have a warm breakfast when you get into town after work it's like a something about warm food isn't there. I totally totally agree okay what have we got we've got a lot this week actually in the health headlines that matter so if you're new to the show welcome this is the section we just look at the biggest health stories you've probably seen across the news Netflix podcasts wherever you're looking for your info and break them down for you Rhi, what's the first one today? Well, I wanted to do a quick pick up because it was International Women's Day.

8:06And I feel like obviously for us, you know, as two women in business and here on the podcast, I feel it's important to just talk about it a little bit and touch on it. And the only angle I can obviously come from is staying in my lane as the nutritional science field or just science in general. And I've got some stats here because we've actually seen some improvement in the science community. But the stats are obviously still low because women are underrepresented and we've come into everything pretty late. So as of 2024 to 2026, women make up to roughly one third. So that's around like 33 to 35 percent of the global scientific research community.

8:44So while the absolute number of women in science, tech, engineering and mathematics, which I'll just call STEM, basically the STEM area of that science area, has increased. surprisingly 1 million in the UK alone they do remain unrepresented around the world and global research says roughly 33 % of researchers are women in the G20 countries women hold only 22 % of those STEM positions and in the EU in 2022 41 % of scientists and engineers in the EU were women I've got loads of different stats here but obviously in low low parity regions in some countries women make up to less than 10 % of researchers and I wanted to just bring some positive facts for International Women's Day but equally just say I find it quite I was thinking about this last night on social media I find it a hard day to talk about because I feel that if you share anything as a woman you're critiqued anyway and getting it right and you can share I just shared my nutrition journey and hoping it inspires somebody else but perhaps that's not seen in the right way either and I'm not placed to talk about geopolitics and I'm not placed to talk about you know the inequalities in the world I feel quite emotional about it because there's so much that you can feel and want to say but I feel like if you say it you'll just be judged for saying it well I always think that's an interesting thing where and certainly I've seen it a huge amount and I think it's very, very common, is that successful women, if they quote unquote show off, are boasting.

10:21Successful men, on the other hand, are just like smashing life. So, yes, I think it's wildly successful men are applauded and generally and too often very successful women are seen as boasting. Yeah, narcissistic, boasting. There's that completely. So it's an interesting one. I wanted to raise it because we obviously need to keep it's so important more than ever I feel International Women's Day but it's a really difficult one to navigate. Yeah I completely completely agree. Okay we're going to move on to something very different which is vegetarians less likely to get five types of cancer. A study of 1.8 million people is the first to quantify how dietary patterns affect the risk of different cancers.

11:05So it's one of the largest analyses we've ever seen looking at diet patterns and cancer risk. And it came from researchers at Oxford Population Health. They pulled data from more than 1.8 million people across nine long-run studies, so mainly in the UK, the US. And those participants were followed up for up to two decades and completed detailed food questionnaires to assess their diets. Of course, food questionnaire is always a bit of an interesting research tool, but this is still long-term data on a very large scale. So we like this. It was funded by the World Cancer Research Fund, just FYI, but I don't think that should impact any bias there at all.

11:42And it was published in the British Journal of Cancer. And it definitely looked at about 17 different types of cancer types. Exactly. Okay. And I mean, this was just headlines everywhere. It was everywhere. I'm sure you all saw it. But in the wrong way. It was quite confusing, I think. So that's what we really wanted to break down today. So as we said, 1.8 million people involved in these different studies, 1.64 million, so almost all of them were meat eaters. And on average, they consumed around 50 grams of meat per day. Now, that's actually really quite a small amount of meat per day. That would be the equivalent of, say, one sausage or two slices of ham, which actually is very little.

12:24So it's important to know that within this, people are eating kind of under the... What I think they do eat, to be honest. It's not a huge amount. And we know the advice is to limit red and processed meat to no more than 70 grams per day. So these people are eating under that. So I think that's really important to know. But these were the headline stats that were picked up everywhere. So compared with meat eaters, vegetarians had 21 % lower risk of pancreatic cancer, 12 % lower risk of prostate cancer, 9 % lower risk of breast cancer. And combined, those three cancers account for about a fifth of cancer deaths in the UK.

13:00so they're very prevalent and as well as that vegetarians also had 28 % lower risk of kidney cancer and 31 % lower risk of multiple myeloma so it's very interesting people who ate poultry but avoided red meat had a slightly lower cancer risk than those who ate all types of meat so yeah there was a kind of broad pattern when it looked across the diets that those containing little or know me were linked to a lower risk, sometimes meaningfully so up to a third or so of several cancers. But there was then one very confusing part. The big but that was the headline everywhere. Yeah, I'll let you take that away, Rui.

13:40Yeah, so we've mentioned it's observational data here, of course, you can't do cause and effect. But you know, they did adjust for factors as well, body weight was taken into account, alcohol, smoking, you know, other lifestyle factors that of course can impact your health. But I'm going to skip over to the bit that was really confusing. Okay, so it came down to vegan diets and important nuance on bowel cancer. So there was no evidence in the study to say that vegetarians had a lower risk of bowel cancer compared with meat eaters, which is confusing as anything, because we know, concretely speaking, that that's been proven in many other pools of research.

14:17And the research has suggested this may be because, like Alec said at the beginning the average meat intake was actually really low in this pool of data 50 grams is actually below the 70 grams guidance that's a really good thing but the vegans in the study showed a higher risk of bowel cancer compared to meat eaters and that is confusing with vegetarians nearly twice as likely to develop osphosagyl squamous cell carcinoma so research suggested that lower intake of nutrients such as calcium and b12 actually now could play a role in cancer So again, dietary labels alone don't determine risk. It's also the quality of your overall diet.

14:56Yeah. So basically, we're going to go into this, don't worry. It was very confusing because the headlines are saying vegetarian diet reduces risk of five of the key types of cancer that we see. That was everywhere. That was in the data. But then at the same time, it's showing that a vegan diet then increases your risk of bowel cancer and a vegetarian diet increases your risk of esophageal squamous cell carcinoma. that's incredibly confusing how is anybody meant to extrapolate something from this it's the ultimate thing of like well what shall i do well also it goes against everything that literature has previously stated so that's why i thought we should get somebody to go into the study itself break it all down and we've got an amazing voice note from rosie martin who's a registered dietitian who can analyze all of this for us hi ella hi re thank you for flagging this headline about vegans vegetarians and cancer risk.

15:47So this is actually a really decent study overall. It pulled together nine studies, including about 1.8 million people across the UK, US, Taiwan and India, and it followed them for about 16 years. And they found that vegetarians had lower rates of five cancers, pancreatic, breast, prostate, kidney and multiple myeloma. Vegans, interestingly, were found to have higher rates of bowel cancer, which surprised a lot of people. But this isn't something vegans need to panic about. One big limitation is that people were grouped by what they didn't eat and not what they did eat. And in practice, someone telling me they're vegan tells me nothing about the quality of their diet.

16:28This study didn't measure diet quality at all. Veganism is a belief system that seeks to exclude all forms of exploitation and cruelty to animals. And nutritionally, that can look very different from a whole food, fiber-rich diet to one built mostly around things like chips and vegan ice cream. When we look at the wider evidence that does consider diet quality, the message is very consistent. More fibre and whole plant foods are linked to a lower risk of bowel cancer. So the finding here is a bit of an outlier, and it may relate to diet quality or possibly calcium intake. So many of the studies were from the 1990s and early 2000s, when fortified plant milks and other similar foods were far less common than they are now and calcium does matter for bowel cancer risk.

17:14It's also really worth noting that only about 0.5 % of people in the study were vegan which makes it very hard to draw any strong conclusions from this group and that's something the authors themselves point out. So the big picture doesn't change. Diets high in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, beans, nuts, seeds, herbs and spices are best for cancer prevention. Reducing or removing meat is likely to be beneficial for reducing the risk of certain cancers and vegan diets like any other diet should be based on whole plant foods with some basics in place such as a b12 supplement and a good quantity of calcium rich foods i hope that helps i think it's unbelievably helpful to have that breakdown because when you realize it's such a small sample of vegans you don't know what they were actually eating in terms of quality like she said how much fiber how much calcium and i think differentiating between calcium sources for vegetarian diets is so different it pretends if they're lacto vegetarians ovo vegetarians you know what what type of produce they eat and that means vegetarians are able to have cheese and yogurt and things alongside their normal diet so they'll have more of an abundant array of sources of calcium whereas so talk us through um sources of calcium sorry obviously i'm sure everyone listening is super super aware milk cheese yogurt kind of core dairy products very rich sources of calcium as an adult roughly how much of that would you want to be having a day to fulfill your calcium intake i'd say two to three portions of food that contain calcium is like a rough guide but that includes almonds you know that's what i was going to ask tell us away from your kind of very obvious dairy sources of calcium what else contains calcium well there's some different like unreliable what i call unreliable sources come from vegetables leafy greens they're not as reliable because of oxalates and the way you break them down in your body.

19:01So I'd prefer people, if they're vegan especially, to make sure they have those fortified foods. First of all, if you're buying tofu, get calcium set. If you've got... Cauldron is the main UK brand, right? There's calcium set tofu. I think it's sold in pretty much every single supermarket. Yeah, I get that for the boys because I know that it's got a calcium and protein hit for them in there as well. And of course, plant milks that have, can't call them milks anymore, but whatever I call them now. That's illegal. Plant drinks. But it's really nuts, seeds, dried fruit even contains. calcium figs do dried figs I think we spoke about figs the other week and one of my favorite fruits in the world figs contain it broccoli contains bits of calcium so if you're a plant-based eater that eats very well you are likely to get a lot but I would still encourage fortification if you are vegan I think it's really important you don't want to be supplementing calcium which is interesting why not you can't measure it in a blood test in the same way that you can because it's constantly turning over our bone development and where we store it and how it's released so what you really want to be doing as a vegan is just getting those extra fortified foods in and if you are concerned at all speak to your gp they'll talk you through all the different ways of having a look at it but um yeah i would 100 % just think if the reason the study is definitely not indicative of the majority of diets is because yeah it doesn't take into account the people's education around food and what they're doing but as rhoda said it's very interesting and this is why we make this show because it's so confusing sometimes a headline versus reality and what we're looking at is exactly like a title of what people do what people um don't eat as opposed to like the actual quality of what they're eating which is incredibly helpful and i think even oranges contain calcium by the way i'm just trying to look up how much i can't remember but just a little fact to throw in there it's the foods you don't expect a lot of the time same and which is why i'm fed up with people demonizing um fruit to be honest with you so tahini is a classic really good sauce you can make my dip i mentioned at the beginning we can make ella's dip put it on your toast as well soy products that we've mentioned already seeds nuts baked beans can contain some calcium pulses so really in a plant-based diet if you're if you're eating a variety of foods like I discuss with my fibre hype at the moment but it's all about variety and try not to eat the same foods every single day and then you're more likely to be hitting your goals but it's definitely something women particularly need to be aware of calcium especially looking at bone health rates and osteopenia osteoporosis rates in this country it's really important.

21:39Yeah so I think as a summary this headline was incredibly confusing don't worry if you were confused by the fact that it felt contradictory I think it would have been difficult not to but really the messages from decades of research including the kind of fundamentals of this are we really want to be building our meals around fiber diversity plant rich you don't need to be plant-based you don't need to be vegetarian but you want to have loads of different plants in your life feed those pets and your gut and keep meat minimum if you eat meat and you consume it the people in the study had about 50 grams a day it's very little it's very little and if you're looking to cut down then just cut down to that amount roughly i think it's um that's a really nice part of the study despite the confusing vegan headline was the fact that it's good i totally totally agree and then just be aware i know it's difficult with life going at 100 miles an hour for everyone but just be aware of those core vitamins and minerals because really big nutrient deficiencies can really be a problem and this one i think really highlights It's the calcium issue here.

22:40With the bowel cancer risk. And as we know, bowel cancer is now the leading cause of cancer in the US. It's the fourth cause of cancer here in the UK. And fibre contributes and quality diets to 50 to 60 % of cases that are preventable if you eat well. So let's get those nutrients in, everyone. Yeah. And also it did flag as well that if you are eating a plant-based diet or mostly plant-based diet, obviously we just mentioned calcium, but you do really want to be supplementing B12 as well. Yes, that's 100 % if you're vegan, B12.

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26:00And they're placing individuals on a continuum, essentially from distressed to thriving, which I really like. It's less black and white. They take a score out of 100 to represent the expected average for a mentally healthy population, which is really interesting. And basically what this data from this big new publication showed it was this extraordinary generational divide. It doesn't surprise me. Adults age 55 and older have remained, I think, relatively stable since measurements began in 2019. And that makes perfect sense because they've had the grounding of a world before tech, with diets being more whole food based, predominantly you'd like to think.

26:38And their average scores sit close to population norms and roughly 10 % fall into categories indicating that they're clinically significant mental health challenges, whereas younger adults, they show the dramatic picture. And this is why I'm so concerned about children's mental health as well at the moment. So the stats we have, adults under 35 have an average MHQ score in the highs of 30s to low 40s globally, and around 40 to 45 % of them fall into the distressed or struggling range. So they are approximately four times more likely to report significant mental health problems than those over 60.

27:16I know, exactly. So that's a score of like 30s to low 40s out of 100. I mean, that's a pretty low general kind of happiness score, essentially. And then in the UK, because as we said, this is global, but in the UK, that gap is actually especially stark and it's very similar to what we see in the US as well where that generational split is huge so for those age 55 plus they're getting 78 out of 100 MHQ scores so for kind of general mental health happiness index I think 78 out of 100 is pretty good if I got 78 on a test I'd be pretty pleased me too but for those under 35 just 20 I know it's shocking 20 percent I mean And it's so low.

28:01And interestingly, I'm sure you guys have seen this as well. Obviously, we used to have this huge concern that older generations were the loneliest. And actually, that's flipped. It's actually the younger generations now, according to the UK Office for National Statistics, that actually show that the younger generations, 16 to 29 at the most, are actually the loneliest. And if you look at 16 to 29, up to a third of them feel lonely often, always or some of the time. Whereas 70 and over is just 16%. There's so much to be said for the 55 plus generation that are heavily dependent on social interaction because they weren't raised with tech.

28:43And I think if we look at some of the factors that Tim described in his sub stack, I completely and utterly agree with it. I think it's a fantastic article and feature to pick up on because he writes that while the pandemic may have accelerated the decline, obviously, of social interaction in a way, this pattern also appears in countries that were less effective by lockdown. So there is something much more broader and structural going on. I totally agree. We can link to the subset because it's free to read. But people are so quick to say, oh, it's all COVID. It's all COVID. And I think what he's saying and then reading the report as well is people saying it's actually a bit of a red herring and it's really easy to blame COVID.

29:20And COVID was clearly not a helpful factor in this loneliness and challenge with mental health. But it's not the only thing at play here. And actually what the report identified was four kind of key things which are driving this poor mental health in younger people. Growing up with smartphones from early childhood. the hypothesis here being it's not just about simply screen time but disrupted sleep reduced in-person socialization this weird kind of exposure that we then have to comparison and a chronic state of kind of cognitive stimulation which i think we all can relate to that sense of overstimulation obviously as we always talk about high consumption of upfs it's so easy to just flash over this it doesn't matter what you know we eat what we eat has the most extraordinary impact on our mood.

30:07Well we have to remember that the food we eat feeds the gut bacteria which plays a role with serotonin which plays a role with inflammation and we know there's so much research now that it's linked to mental health and the stat that we have is four percent of us get enough fiber. Fiber is the food for the gut so because UPFs are so high we're just packing our diets full of things that aren't helping our mental health the sugar the salt that make our health deteriorate and then it's a vicious cycle of poor health not eating well needing healthcare, mental health going down. Totally. And there was this line, we're asking younger generations to live in environments that are biologically and physiologically hostile and then acting surprised when mental health collapses.

30:42And I really like that because I completely agree. And on like a day-to-day basis, like I certainly see it in myself, in my kids, if they just watch three hours of screens and eat snacks, they are terrorists. And it's easy to be like, oh, they're really overstimulated. Yeah, they're really horrid actually. at the end of that. And you can see how that keeps going. It alters the brain. It's crazy. We have to remember our brains aren't fully developed emotionally speaking until I think it was around the age of 25. So maturity and processing and thought processing, which is a lot older than I think, I guess at 21, I thought I obviously had a fully developed brain and you don't until around 25.

31:21Obviously that figure may vary, but it goes to show how key these younger years are. And then the next point was, of course, the weaker family and social bonds, because I've noticed in the UK, Ella and I are both not close to family and we don't have the village, as they say, in that way. And I'm sure many people listening don't. And you're very lucky if you do, because that's just not a thing anymore. Yeah. As in, we don't live really nearby family. No. So we don't have the support and younger cohorts report lower levels of perceived social support, cohesion, loneliness, delayed life milestones, economic insecurity.

31:54I mean, gosh, the world right now is absolutely terrifying and more transient living arrangements that may all contribute to this reduced protective, you know, buffering against stress, because we are constantly living in a state of fight or flight and unsure what is happening financially, the world. No, it's really concerning. And then the fourth point was just on lower levels of spirituality or sense of meaning, which is really interesting. That's interesting, because I guess people that have faith have something to cling on to. Well, it creates community as well. And we know that community is one of and feeling connected to other people is the ultimate driver of health.

32:33Fundamentally, it's like one of the main drivers in longevity. And, you know, that sense of being part of something we know is so important to us. Anyway, it's just a really interesting report. Again, we can link to it if you want to read the whole thing. It's quite long. But I think for all of us, you know, we all have young people in our lives, nieces, nephews, cousins, friends, neighbours, you know, whatever it is. And I think it's difficult not to look at the environment that they're growing up in and think, gosh, it's actually really hard to be happy. And I think to me, that's something I've had in the back of my head in this report really highlighted, which is why I was keen to talk about it.

33:06It highlights the privilege because those different barriers out of all four of them, depending economically where you are, is it going to be the food that's the issue? Is it going to be the smartphone use? Is it going to be the support or the call? You know, I think once again, it makes the poverty divide bigger and bigger because the lower down you are and the more you're struggling, you are unlikely to meet a lot of that. And that screen time is a treat for your child because you can't provide the food. There is so much here that's broken. Yeah, no, there really is. So, OK, that was quite heavy, Ella.

33:41But it's, I think it's also, again, it's just that reminder, what we really matters and not to simplify it, but got to feed those bugs, guys, because they really impact our mental health. Fibre gap is real. OK, our third and final headline of today. Oh, my gosh. Collagen is no quick fix for wrinkles, experts say. I mean, don't we know it, Ella? This was everywhere. Yay. It came from a large systematic review that was published in the Aesthetic Surgery Journal, Open Forum. And it analysed data for more than 8 ,000 participants across multiple randomised control trials investigating oral collagen supplementation.