Fibre Hacks, Healthy Swaps & Fresh vs Frozen

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1:26I've meditated on and off for 15 years or so now, but using the way is honestly the first time I've become so consistent with this daily practice. And I've just seen the most unbelievable results as a result of that. The app is just incredible. And what I love is every day you open it and there's a meditation waiting for you. So you don't scroll, that you don't have to choose between hundreds of options. There's no wondering what to do. It just takes you on a path. Well, I think that's why it works so well, because, you know, most of us just don't need more big decisions every day to make, Ella.

1:57No, exactly that. We've got decision fatigue, haven't we? So this is so nice because you just follow this path of meditation, which is led by Henry, the founder, who's just the most amazing teacher. And he makes it seem somehow just incredibly simple, but exceptionally profound at the same time, which is a very rare skill. And I've been using it too. Yes, I've now finally begun my meditation journey and I've been doing some of the shorter practices on busy days because I completely understand why you talk about it so much, Ella. It really is a nice intro in for me. Yeah, it is. And I'm so glad.

2:30Anyway, it's helped me feel so much calmer, less reactive, more present. It all sounds like huge claims, but I just say, please, please, please try it. If you're struggling with stress or overwhelm, you just got to give it a go. And the lovely thing is that everyone listening can definitely try it themselves. Exactly. So you can get a 30-day free trial. So just try it every day per month. It'll change your life. All you do is head to thewayapp.com forward slash wellness scoop. Yeah, that's thewayapp.com forward slash wellness scoop. Welcome to The Wellness Scoop, your now twice weekly dose of health and wellness inspiration.

3:11With your hosts, I'm Ella Males. And I'm Rhiannon Lambert. And today we go into all of the wonderful listener questions that you've sent to us and share our recommendations and yours on the show. So let's dive in. Today, we're going to talk about our frozen veggies as good and as healthy as fresh. We have had so many questions about flax seeds recently. I think the more we talk about them, the more questions we get. Now, do we need to grind them? More about fiber enhanced drinks, very big trend at the moment, stuff about freeze-died fruits, puffed grains, processed foods, healthy swaps that we love, so much more.

3:45But Ree, before we get into it, I have a fact for you. I told you I was reading on Monday an interview with the founders of that company, Health. Anyway, in that article, there were some stats about the size of the UK wellness market. Now, according to the Times, in 2025, the UK alone, the wellness industry, was estimated at 97 billion as a value, predicted to reach 140 billion, the size of the wellness industry, just in the UK by 2033. 140 billion. Doesn't even compute in my head. Crazy. Absolutely crazy. But it links back to our discussion on Monday around, you know, the longevity message spreading across Europe.

4:28It's already in the US, isn't it, with all the injections and things. So it's rising. interestingly we were on holiday with some friends from america earlier in the summer and i was talking to one of them and they were saying yeah peptides everywhere because obviously you have a much bigger private doctor industry obviously completely different healthcare system than we have here and i think these prescriptions are they are big anyways it's so interesting yeah their view and it was so it's so normalized completely normalized kind of nad i know nad plus isn't technically a peptide but i think we could talk about it within that same is the same injection bracket isn't it exactly massively um anyway that was so interesting but also come on 140 billion that's not on carrots and chickpeas is it or beans or beans because actually that's technically i think all calculated probably completely separately because that's going to be the size of the grocery market and so that's actually kind of on gadgets gizmos powders supplements, devices.

5:24Potions, lotions. Potions and lotions. Anyway, I just save your, there are some things that are worth spending on and obviously some of it's really fun and I totally get it and I'm not immune to it. But I also think if you're really prioritising health and you're trying to figure out where to spend your budget, good quality food first and foremost, 100 times over. And we're here on The Wellness Scoop, so send us any things that you see that you think could be contributing to that 140 billion. Okay, and then I'll tell you something else really interesting that I read, or I found really interesting.

5:56There was another piece that I read, I think the day before, also in the Times, and the title was What Four Oncologists Do Daily to Avoid Cancer. Now, I know that's quite a clickbaity headline. I know these four people are not kind of, they're obviously amazing doctors. They don't know everything. I get it. They don't write the headline either, so they wouldn't have been told probably that was the headline. But it was super interesting to read. I honestly would recommend it if you literally just Google times what four oncologists do daily to avoid cancer, you'll find it. And four of them were different, but there were some real common threads that I thought quite interesting.

6:31Number one, and Rhi, you're going to love this, they explicitly said, we do not take supplements, basically. And there was one doctor who had done a trial on some cancer research that had two supplements that were formulated for the trial they have been tested kind of very well studied and he takes those but otherwise said I would never take an untested supplement the other ones in terms of like I do do this I eat lots of fiber I try and get lots of phytochemicals I get lots of oily fish in my diet kind of thing things I don't do I don't take supplements take synthetic supplements and I just think like let that sit you know I'm not saying you know no one else knows anything but i do just think it's very interesting you have four respected oncologists who having spent their whole life studying cancer obviously at home take kind of reasonable interventions to look after their health associated with the risk that they're aware of and they don't take supplements i know i think it says a huge amount doesn't it and i really wanted to highlight it now obviously if you're on a vegan diet b12 very important if you don't eat any oily fish you're probably going to need some omega-3 there's obviously some exceptions of vitamin d in the winter but this mass market you know you can supplement your way around a busy life or a not great diet i just thought it's really interesting and then the other thing reed that was interesting that they talked about actually was a collective limiting on household cleaners and environmental toxins and i do think that's very interesting as well we've talked about this before and it's not to scare everyone but like the overuse of detol type products probably aren't great i mean the The bleach in the kitchen surface sprays on bare hands every day.

8:13It became the norm, didn't it, when they were invented? Because, wow, what a lifesaver. But there's definitely a cause for overuse of exposure to chemicals. And lots of them going back to like homemade solutions. Anyway, I do think it's very, very interesting. And then there's the obvious they talked about kind of avoiding excessive UPFs and sugar sweetened drinks. Red meat, charred meat. Avoiding charred meat. Yeah, red meat, getting in lots of, as I said, phytochemical rich foods, loads of fiber, prebiotics, fermented foods. all of the kind of obvious things but those are the two interesting points I think the avoidance of supplements and I do just think it is like we just have to remember the marketing on supplements versus the reality well let me play you this and cleaning products so related to what Ella's just show me this is now we've had Kim Kardashian oh my god this is the Khloe one yeah so I came across this video I mean it's amazing because I don't follow them so I'm being pushed them now where Khloe Kardashian is holding up a bag of her pills.

9:07She sat in sunglasses and a face mask, holding up her little plastic pot of what looks like about 12 supplements. Let's just see what she says. So I take this baggie of vitamins every day and I take them on an empty stomach. And I did this yesterday on set. Everyone thought this was like insane that I don't eat before. I guess my body's just trained. I can't even remember what everything is, but I know I have five pills are like a protein amino acid. Four pills are saffron. I take a Q10, something like that. I don't, I think it's for my brain. I don't really know. So as you can tell, I don't actually think she's quite aware of what she's taking in this bag of pills.

9:57But honestly, I know that it's something we can control and it comes back to that psychological component of what can I do in my life every day. And I do completely understand why it may give you a sense of control to be taking lots of supplements that you've seen celebrities endorsing and taking. But honestly, I think that was a really good shout out that article, Ella. It's just a little reminder they're not panaceas. I totally agree. And I love watching the Kardashians and I don't mean it as any like personal criticism of Khloe I just think it's really symptomatic of an industry where we just think like more is more and more isn't more and these things are expensive we've all fallen into the trap of thinking it will solve a problem but I just don't think supplements are the answer it must be hard being a Kardashian because you're you've probably got everything thrown at you I don't know how you even decipher evidence anymore when you get to that point in your life.

10:52But we do have some positive feedback. So first of all, tons of you have contributed and commented with ideas for our Wellness Scoot Walk. Yes, our big challenge for next year. So we've got loads of ideas. This is the first time Ria and I have seen each other. So we're going to chat after we finish recording. We're going to go through and we're going to share some more ideas next week with you guys. We want to hear what you think. But we're super excited to do a challenge together, raise some money for charity. I think it will be amazing. so stay tuned on that I read as a recommendation okay so do you remember I we were obviously both obsessed with off-campus and then I asked I'm sorry for people who don't like it but I asked chat GPT what I should watch next if I loved off-campus and it told me Maxton Hall and then I googled and lots of things said like if you love off-campus watch Maxton Hall don't it is so bad describe this is my anti-recommendation I actually think I should have looked this up because I'm pretty sure it's a German show that's been dubbed in English and I don't think I'm sorry to say I don't think the dubbing is great.

11:53Dubbing is always um you know it winds my husband up I don't mind it with some shows that are really wonderfully done but you can tell when you can tell it's hard to follow. It's not excellent dubbing but this is just my unqualified opinion and it's just so cheesy and so cliched and like the thing about off campus that was good is I think it was clever like it was clever rom-com i think they brought in some interesting themes it was mature the topics they were discussing the characters were gorgeous anyway with this it's just like billionaire's son and then like you know the girl done good who got the scholarship and there's clearly some tension anyway i'm only like three episodes in but it really is and it's not good bad it really is bad so anyway i'm sorry to have a good one there but what is so good little house on the prairie have you been watching it did you read the books i have known about this for years and never actually watched it.

12:44Okay so I was obsessed with the books growing up like obsessed. I think they were the first books that like really got me loving reading. I read every single one like devoured them but it's just come out on Netflix and it's so good. That's what I need to watch. I love all these types of adaptions of novels and stories and I just think okay if you recommend that that's my next watch. Yeah it's so good honestly and it's just like so beautiful. Anyway there are some kind of like moments so like be ready for it but yeah I think it's anyway I haven't finished it but I really recommend it I'm really loving it and if anyone else read them growing up it feels also just like really comforting and nostalgic I love that I love it okay um oh I've got one recommendation as well on skin so I have not given a skin update now I don't know if I you were really struggling right it was awful um obviously I hadn't shared with you all I was pregnant at the time.

13:34And I think my reaction on my chin at the time was linked to pregnancy hormones, the heat wave, excessive use of sun cream, product buildup. And I had what Dr. Thithy said was perioral dermatitis on my chin. It was painful. All I can describe is that it felt like what I thought was acne initially. And then so many of you have personally messaged me on social media saying, I have this too. I've experienced this too. And actually, mine's completely gone now after, I'd say, five weeks of using what is pregnancy safe, a zealic acid, which Thithy recommended. But honestly, a game changer. And it's really made me realize that you can do far too much to your skin.

14:21All I needed was that one little cream morning and night to be consistent with it. And it's quite demoralizing after a week where it's still there, it's red, it's sore. but now it doesn't even tingle when I put it on. You can't see it. Well, I don't have any bumps. It's like smooth again. It's unbelievable how I went from that awful chin, which was, it was bad, everybody. Like to me, it was bad. Anyway, seek professional advice of your skincare and don't go to TikTok was my message to come back to with that because when I looked it up on social media, wow, there was some interesting remedies and potions that people were using for this specific type of condition, which is actually very common that people can get.

14:58Yeah, azelaic acid. Azelaic acid. I love it. Okay, and then I asked a question to you, didn't I, the other day? Because obviously I was starting my screen-free summer. So just a recap on that, because Ree has brought me a voice note for my question, because we've now had so many questions from you guys, curious about the same thing. So basically, I've got two children. They are five, nearly six, and seven now. Oh my goodness, Mays, I will be seven next Monday when this comes out. Well, a few days after this comes out. and basically I just find screens really difficult they watch things that I'm not necessarily a humongous fan of obviously you know there's parental controls in place and things like that but I just don't love like the kind of element of just the endless scroll of Netflix the fact they can chop and change every four minutes the idea that when they're bored they can just put on tv the fact that tv never it just sort of stays and stays it's so easy to kind of sleepwalk into boundaryless screen time I think was what I discovered so I said okay we're not having screens this summer.

15:56The only time we use screens is if we sit down together properly as a family and we watch something. And so we watch proper movies. There are so many good movies out there. All those Pixar type movies, which we're really enjoying. It's not like never, but there's, it's very controlled and it's limited. And it's so interesting after basically a month now, it has had such a positive impact on creative play, on independence. I think it was this thing where it's like sometimes, you know, on a Saturday morning, you're really exhausted and it's just easier to say yes to the screen but actually it made it so much harder whereas now because they know it's not an option they'll just play for hours all these ideas and all I'd say is it took us about a week to get into it and again like I would say one of the girls like quite a homebody more introverted and so I say should we go do this should we go do that and they'd always say oh let's just stay at home mostly because I think she was like tv might be an option now that she knows it is not an option.

16:49She is so keen to like go out, try new things, do new things. I mean it has just been the best decision we've made in ages. Anyway I asked question three on the best way to approach this because so many of you have been curious too so you have got a voice note for us right Rae? I do from Dr Martha who is the author of the smartphone solution so who better to ask? Here we go. Hi I'm Dr Martha. I am a clinical psychologist and mother of two and you may know me from Instagram on dr.marta.psychologist. I also have a sub stack where you can find me at Talking Sense. Here are my top tips when it comes to screen time and having your children at home over the summer break.

17:32Summer is nearly here and it's often a time when children feel a little bit restless. Their familiar routine goes out the window, they get bored more often, and they will ask for screen time. Now, I don't want you to think that you can't give your child screen time at all over the summer, but I do want you to think about screen time and screen content. We know that too much screen time can stop children from doing essential things that they need for their development. Physical movement, play, interacting with others, socialising, going outside, all those things are really important. So over summer, here are three tips to help you not necessarily ban screens completely, but really think about what they are bringing your child in that moment and what they might be disrupting.

18:26Tip one, make them a regular scheduled occurrence. Think very carefully about your child's age and what will benefit them when they are on a screen. Is it watching a family film together? Is it playing a game together? Is it doing some drawing or some writing on a screen? Think about it, schedule it and make it part of summer entertainment, not the default. Two, allow your child to get bored and when they do, don't just reach for a screen. Instead, have a couple of tools that allow you to direct their attention. A couple of things that are really simple. One, invite them to join you in whatever you're doing.

19:12If you're cooking, get them involved. If you're doing some washing, get them involved. Children love to get involved in things that you do and they can do it with you until they get bored and find something else to do. You can also offer really simple things you've already got around your home. Paper and pens can be your go-to. Add some stickers, tape, and maybe some glue, and your child will just create. You don't have to do very much. You just have to make these things available. And my third tip is make sure that you create screen-free anchors around your day. This could look like mealtimes, the first few hours of your morning, and bedrooms.

19:55Making certain parts of your day completely screen free will help your child find a better, healthier balance with screens. And if you want more information, grab a copy of my book, The Smartphone Solution. It will support you in your parenting around screens, give you scripts, tools and strategies that help. And you can write your own family phone pledge, a promise you make to each other to use tech healthily. And that will include you and the kind of screen habits and phone habits that you have. Wishing you a happy summer.

21:03Got a Sam's Cafe pizza order up. You know the best part about this spicy Italian sausage? I voted for this topping. Yeah, just another perk of being a member. Come join us. Sam's Club. Right. First question today, Katie. um case i'm listening to i've been listening to your podcast from the first episode love that it's helped me gain more knowledge about what to eat and stay healthy in an environment that's vastly fixated on weight control and appearance i love that since i started um to concentrate on eating a large variety of plants adding more fiber to my diet i recognize more calm and stability in my mood love it okay when doing the shopping i found a special water that was promoted as being especially beneficial due to the added soluble fiber.

21:51Here's the website and all the health claims below. I wondered if this could be a good way to easily add more fiber on days when I struggle to reach the goal of 30 grams or should I stay away? Oh, here we go. It begins. I mean, we did say this would begin a few months ago, didn't we? We kind of thought that this would be the future. But I think the reality is not all fibers the same. I think we start there, Ella, just by saying, you know, the most fiber enriched drinks that contain like an isolated form of soluble fiber, predominantly probably is like inulin or resistant dextrin. You know, these fibers do contribute to your daily total, but there's no evidence that they actually support the gut bugs because of the form they're taken within.

22:33So I think we have to remember that food first, food first, food first, and people will market things to you and there's no harm. I'm not saying it's harmful at all you'll just pay a different price tag to consume that drink I expect but that's why you know I talk so much and in my book the fiber formula it was such a passion project for me because you know getting that message out there that 30 grams a week 30 grams a day of fiber 30 plants a week is so important because we're just consuming too many UPFs and these sorts of scientifically moderated and you know manipulated food groups we just need to um get more variety and eat more but it's great if you if you want to drink the fiber fine but it won't contribute to your gut bug diversity which comes from eating whole food plants it actually takes such a different view for once on you which is that like i better if it's delicious for sure if it's not i know don't like i'm just i don't know which one actually because the website link didn't come through but i'm just looking at what was in it well i don't know because the website link didn't come through on your email but i'm just looking at some other ones for example and like you know this one claims to have 20 of your daily fiber i think that's coming from maize dextrin and then it has citric acid natural flavorings two different types of preservatives and sucralose as a sweetener and it's like oh no i bet it's not that delicious so like if you're drinking it a drink like this because you absolutely love it and it's you know one of those more like treaty things like gray but if you're drinking it for the fiber like it's not very good for you it's not got that diversity of fiber and so it'd be better just to like have a little bit less fiber that day a bit more tomorrow or like have an apple than have a another dose of artificial sweeteners and extras in your drink when you're thinking you're doing it for health but actually like the gut health claims really aren't quite all there so that's kind of i don't know.

24:24I just, I hate that kind of marketing. I just think it's so misleading. It is very misleading. And the next question we've got leads on to more confusion. It's an anonymous question, but big fan of the podcast. Thank you. My question is, can we digest and get the maximum nutrients out of small seeds such as chia or flax if we eat them whole? Or do they need to be ground up? I was told years ago they pass right through the gut undigested unless ground. What's the answer there, You still get the benefits. So let's just talk about, I understand because when you eat seeds, you can see them in your poo.

25:00So, you know, I completely understand. That's like the sweet corn test, right? Like if you eat baby corn, how quickly you can sit in the toilet, how quickly your digestive system's moving. I get it, everybody. But let's start with your seeds. So their outer layer is much softer than flaxseed. And when they come into contact with liquid, they absorb many times their weight in water. And that's what creates that gel. and Ella gave a great shout out on Monday of the raspberries of chia seeds and freeze and chocolate. Oh, chia seeds are so versatile, even eaten whole. And you can still benefit from their fiber because your gut bugs still recognize these when they pass through the gut.

25:35They still react to them. They're not doing nothing. They're not just floating through your digestive tract untouched. But flaxseed is different because it does have a tougher outer shell. and that's why actually a lot of them will pass through largely intact. But some of the nutrients inside, including those healthy omega-3s that you can get within flaxseed, the plant versions, the ALA, they're not all fully released but small bits will. So that's why I always suggest ground flaxseeds because they store well in the fridge, airtight, they're really great, they can really interact with your gut bugs.

26:14and don't underestimate fluids. If you're having chia seeds or flax seeds, whole or ground, more water, please. Probably more water for all of us myself, very much included anyway. Okay, that's so helpful. Right, our third question today comes from Steph, who's based in The Hague in the Netherlands. So hi, Steph. She has said, I've got a question about freeze-dried fruits. They've recently started selling them at my local supermarket. The only ingredients is fruit, but of course it's undergone processing. Can you tell me more about it? are these healthy or not is it better to not eat them to limit them i would love to hear more well i wonder if we'll have differing opinions on this or not but i actually love the idea i love them they're so delicious and they're so crunchy i thought you would because um i remember you saying that you used um i can't remember what it was you had something on your porridge once it tasted really really delicious but freeze drying is just a different type of preservation you know preservation method.

27:08You know, the fruit's frozen, it's placed under a low pressure, and then the frozen water turns into vapour. So it kind of bypasses the liquid stage and it removes almost all the water from the fruit while keeping the fruit intact. So it pretty much is 100 % fruit. And I actually give my kids those packs of crisps. And full disclosure, I used to work for this company when I started out 12 years ago. I used to work for a freeze-dried broccoli company. Yeah. Love that they eat freeze-dried broccoli. Yeah. Oh, I got broccoli crisps they absolutely oh my gosh it's like kale crisps isn't it just thinking yeah yeah they're so good i love kale crisps but they feel very 2015 wellness they are very 2015 wellness and very expensive ella very like ridiculously expensive it's the one thing when i purchase it on my weekly shop and always covered in cashew cheese no see ours aren't no this is just plain plain plain love them plain kale chips broccoli and they look exactly like uh broccoli who makes them i want to try them giving tree snacks have a look see what you think and my kids they are expensive and i don't i wish that um they could be more affordable but my kids absolutely love them the crunch okay i'm gonna try these i also love the look of them they these really they do fruit versions of things too honestly fresh fruit still the gold standard everybody please remember that you know nothing can compare to those natural bugs that live within your fruit the fiber, the vitamins, the minerals, the antioxidants, but you're still getting vitamin C when you have a freeze-dried portion of fruit and the veg is also a bonus.

28:39It counts towards one of your five a day freeze-dried still. I just added them to my basket, the Giving Tree Broccoli Criss. How much are they? This is a pack. Oh, I'm getting a pack of six here for£13. Yeah, do you see what I mean? Yeah, they're very expensive. But I think that's because they're not mass produced they're made in a very tiny yeah um anyway i'm excited to try them i love stuff like this um yeah kale crystals is super expensive actually but what about because part of the reason i try and often give the kids like um the freeze-dried mango or like banana chips and things like that is because obviously the dentists always saying the dried ones i'm talking about how adults eat them because adults generally like don't necessarily like copious never-ending quantities of dried fruit but i think lots of like the healthier children's products are they really get stuck in your teeth but what's it even for adults what do we think about um dried fruit as much do you know i notice in clinic a lot of contribution to ibs related symptoms with excessive consumption of dried fruit but it's so easy to eat so much because they get so little when you when you um one apricots you could have six of them and that's a portion right i mean i would always like i would never have less than six but but i will always dip them in nut butter when i eat them oh my god apricots in that butter is so good yeah we're on the same same frame there but this would probably really overenthusiastic respond to that isn't it but it really is yummy well we're cliche wellness today everybody but uh yeah dried fruit does contribute one portion but it doesn't matter how many different varieties of dried fruit you have that day it still just counts as one portion i would say they still have higher content of sugar that hits your bloodstream at different rate but beneficial nutrient wise like dried figs great source of calcium um dried apricots great source of iron like i've personally been adding dried apricots to my diet because i'm on iron tablets for low iron in pregnancy so i think it's really important that we don't ever demonize anything and everything has a place but my goodness does it stick to your teeth and you're constantly trying to pick out the bits i like the um prep dried mango oh it's my ultimate obsession yeah that's one of my favorite things i know i know okay so before ella and I literally salivate at more dried fruit.

30:47We have a question from Sonal who has said, my question is on frozen vegetables. Is it healthier to buy frozen veg versus fresh? I know spinach peas, for example, retain more nutrients frozen, but what about other veg like butternut squash or cauliflower? Also, my husband really dislikes the taste of frozen vegetables. It'd be interesting to know what your thoughts are on this. Okay, Ri, I know you've done some campaign work, haven't you, on frozen versus fresh? So I will let you take over that part. Yes. It's a big myth that fresh means more nutritious, as you've quite rightly said, frozen veg, and that's all vegetables, not just peas or not just berries for fruit, you know, do contain more nutrition when they're picked at their peak ripeness and then frozen.

31:36But it does depend when they're picked and what the company itself are probably doing there. There could be as well sometimes a brief heat treatment to preserve colour, flavour and texture. But it's so minimal and then the rapid freezing does lock in as many vitamins and minerals as possible. Now fresh veg on the other hand is different because obviously it oxidises over time. Certain nutrients like vitamin C and B, water soluble ones essentially gradually decline. But as far as when it comes to taste and texture I think that's the big question here as well. I think that's because when they freeze, they form those tiny ice crystals inside the plant cells.

32:17And when you heat them, they release, you know, you get that excess water. So sometimes that's why vegetables like peas and spinach freeze really well. You can buy spinach in little square blocks. And whereas something like cauliflower and broccoli can become quite soggy almost in texture, which is why I think they lend themselves better to maybe curries and things that you can put in rather than a crunchy stir fry, would you say? Yeah, I mean, I love having some, I mean, I have so much frozen fruit always in my house, like all types of different berries, mango. I've always like sliced up bananas when they're going over ripe and freeze them.

32:51I find it so helpful. We make compots and smoothies and things like that. I actually, we have smoothies a few times a week just because I find it's such a great way to get kefir mostly. so like a fermented food into our kind of collective diets but also like chia hemp etc so i love that i find that super helpful i actually only buy it by frozen edamame love frozen edamame we cook there's loads obviously great protein and just super easy to use peas and corn i don't really like if i'm completely honest i know there's health benefits oh frozen spinach is great as well i don't really love frozen other veg the reality is the broccoli cauliflower yeah if you put it straight into the oven high temperature it should be better but like it's not easy to cook with and I like to then put it in the oven with olive oil and with flavor and with maybe like I don't know a marinade or I did a really delicious like harissa um soy sauce broccoli last night and if you do that on frozen you're just adding a bit too much liquid so I just don't find it very easy to cook with and I don't find it helpful enough that so I understand why you don't like the taste.

34:00I don't think it for me, I don't buy it. I don't like it. Yeah, I think. But if you have tips as to why I'm wrong, I would love to hear them. No, I agree. I think taste wise, that's one subject. But if this is about getting more nutrition into your diets, just stick with, like I said, curries or stews or pasta bakes, things that it's immediately saturated with other flavours and texture. But if you're looking at it being like a star dish and something you really enjoy on the side of your plate, sadly, the frozen and broccoli and cauliflower doesn't cut it in the same way as the peas and things.