How to Live Longer with Champagne, Mushrooms… and Raw Testicles?

26 May 2025 · 1 h 1 min

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The Wellness Scoop: Episode Summary

Podcast Overview Hosts: Ella Mills & Rhiannon Lambert Title: How to Live Longer with Champagne, Mushrooms… and Raw Testicles? Description: This episode dives into surprising wellness news, exploring daily habits and lifestyle shifts that can impact health.

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Key Topics Discussed

Digital Detox and Cognitive Health

  • Study Overview: A recent study by the University of Texas found that two weeks without mobile internet can reverse ten years of cognitive aging and improve mental health.
  • Participants: 467 individuals aged 32.
  • Findings:
  • 91% improved in at least one aspect of mental health.
  • 71% reported better mental health outcomes.
  • Attention spans improved, equating to reversing cognitive decline equivalent to a decade.

The Concept of "Nondoing"

  • Definition: Introduced by Deepak Chopra, "nondoing" is a state of wakeful alertness that allows one to reconnect with oneself without the pressure of constant productivity.
  • Practice: Suggested exercise includes sitting quietly for five minutes without distractions to establish comfort in stillness.

Posture and Longevity

  • Discussion: Poor posture can lead to health issues such as back pain, reduced lung capacity, and even cardiovascular disease.
  • Practical Steps:
  • Focus on strengthening back and core muscles.
  • Be mindful of posture when using technology.

Health Benefits of Champagne

  • Research Insights: A study published in the Canadian Journal of Cardiology suggests that moderate consumption of champagne may reduce the risk of sudden cardiac arrest.
  • Cautions: While champagne might offer some benefits, overall lifestyle choices play a more critical role in heart health.

Trending Mushroom-Based Wellness Drinks

  • Market Growth: The global mushroom drinks market is expected to reach over $7.5 billion by 2032.
  • Types of Mushrooms:
  • Reishi: Known for its calming effects and potential immune support.
  • Chaga: High in antioxidants.
  • Lion’s Mane: Associated with cognitive health, though more research is needed.
  • Cordyceps: Often used by athletes for performance enhancement.
  • Caution: The actual health benefits can be minimal depending on the source and processing of the mushrooms.

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Recommendations

  1. Books:
  2. *The Irrational Ape* by Dr. David Robert Grimes: Discusses cognitive biases and the importance of critical thinking.
  1. Television:
  2. Apple TV's *Your Friends and Neighbours*: A gripping and humorous show starring Jon Hamm.
  1. Recipe Highlight:
  2. Chimichurri Recipe:
  3. Ingredients: Shallot, garlic, parsley, coriander, red chili, cider vinegar, olive oil, and salt.
  4. Uses: Can be added to veggies, salads, and more.
  1. Event Announcement:
  2. Tickets for the first live show at Cadogan Hall in London on June 14th are available.

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Closing Thoughts

  • The episode emphasizes the importance of making small lifestyle changes, the potential risks of misinformation in wellness trends, and the necessity of reconnecting with oneself amidst a busy life. The hosts encourage listeners to find a balance in their health journeys and remain critical of extreme wellness claims.

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0:26Race the rudders!

0:33when did making plans get this complicated it's time to streamline with whatsapp the secure messaging app that brings the whole group together use polls to settle dinner plans send event invites and pin messages so no one forgets mom's 60th and never miss a meme or milestone all protected with end-to-end encryption it's time for whatsapp message privately with everyone. Learn more at whatsapp.com. Okay, so just a quick moment before we dive into today's episode. We have got something very exciting to share with you guys. We do. We are down to the final tickets, everyone, for our first ever live show.

1:12I still can't believe this is happening. And it's going to be at Cadogan Hall in London on June the 14th. We literally can't wait. I know. I'm so looking forward to it. We'll be bringing the full podcast to life. Big headline, deep dives on everything from body image to the broken food system, health anxiety, plus an interactive audience Q &A so you can bring all your burning questions and a proper deep dive into the years worth of research that Rhee has done into ultra processed foods. We'll be the first to hear everything she's learned putting together her new book. It is very exciting. I really hope you love it.

1:44There'll be a chance as well to include you all so you can vote, you can ask questions, even win prizes. They're going to be great in our final quiz. And we'd love for you to be a part of this day with us. So if you fancy a night, a big conversation, connection and a few surprises, just head to cadugganhall.com or Google Wellness Scoop Live to grab one of the last tickets and we cannot wait to see you there.

2:10Welcome to The Wellness Scoop, your weekly dose of health and wellness inspiration and as always we are your hosts. I'm Ella Mills and I'm Rhiannon Lambert and after a decade in the wellness industry, we know how overwhelming and confusing health advice can be. That's why we created this podcast to cut through the noise and make healthier living simple, fun and personal. So welcome guys, thank you for being here as always every week. It is the highlight of the week and I would say this is probably one of my favourite titles we've had so much so far. I was just reading it before we get into it.

2:43How to live longer with champagne mushrooms and raw testicles. We've got it all. I put a little lol emoji in our brief today. I saw it on the train this morning coming in. I was like, Ella, you're a title genius. Oh my gosh. Okay, what have we got coming up for everyone? Well, let's do it. We have two weeks offline. Does that equate to better mental health? The surprising new study that we'll explore. Why Deepak Chopra says stillness is more powerful than self-optimization. Poor posture and its unexpected link to long-term health. I love this one coming up. Can champagne really protect your heart?

3:17And then we're on to Raw testicles, anyone. We're unpacking Netflix's new wellness documentary on the liver king. And finally, mushrooms are the new wellness obsession, but do they work? I mean, Ella, what a show. What a show.

3:37Rhi, how are you? What have you been up to? Do you know, it's actually been a really, really busy time for us both. I think we're both in the same boat where I am behind on my inbox and core of my business because I've been out doing an activation every day. Like the talk at Parliament went really well. It was wonderful to talk about children's breakfast in the UK. I learned about British berry growers. You know, I didn't know 95 % of berries are actually grown in the UK. So it was really interesting to hear we should be supporting these items that can be quite costly and the government should step in here and then make them more available to more people.

4:11But there was a huge conversation to be had. And of course, I discussed ultra processed foods. And then I tried in between the chaos of the multiple media activations and podcasts to spend more time with the kids. Do you know, in one podcast, actually, I had my first ever hay fever attack. Did you? It's on Grace Beverly's podcast. Never happened to me before. But I think the heat in London. So when I come into town, I'm just not used to it. And I didn't bring any antihistamines. Luckily, Grace has a stash of antihistamines in her bag. Like I literally couldn't speak. My eyes were swelling. Never had that before.

4:45Have you? I have. I started getting hay fever the first time three years ago. And it's brutal. I carry antihistamines around with me for this time of year. But interesting. So many people I speak to, maybe our listeners in the same, developed it at some point around their 30s. Same. Yeah, I never used to get it that badly. And then it was something recently. but I had to literally stop recording and drink some water and take an antihistamine and wait for it to go down. But then there's been mundane stuff. You know, I can't complain. That was the dad's football match we went to watch in the sun and I cooked some orzo with little tea and yeah, it was great.

5:19How about you, Ella? I love orzo. That is a great recommendation for people. Since you got me stuck on it when we were in Deliciously Ella HQ and you made that dish, every week I make a orzo of some description with whatever veg I've got and butter beans and I love it. it is an amazing amazing um ingredient to cook with and i would say if you don't cook with also a lot 10 out of 10 recommend it because for batch cooking pasta pasta's not very nice when you reheat it to be honest and then it goes all hard exactly and then rice obviously people get a little bit nervous about reheating rice it's probably for frank a bit of an overblown concern but i do completely understand you have to heat it all the way through and so many people don't and that's where you get exactly and so there's a nervousness around it whereas also reheats perfectly it cooks in 10 minutes or so and it is so good for those big batch cooking you can kind of saute any veg you've got shallots onions garlic butter beans as you said and adding the stock as well i mean it's genius the flavor that you get and it takes no time to cook yeah and then you can cook the also in the stock maybe coconut milk all together stir through some basil and it will see you through many weeks so yeah it is absolutely 10 out of 10 i'm with you on auto so that was not meant to be my recommendation but you've been doing cookbook as well so you are on a cooking spree oh my gosh yes we started shooting it the last two days so we're 20 photos in which is pretty fun well done i'm still finishing writing the rest of the rest of things but yeah no it's good we don't have a title yet we don't have a publication date yet but it will come we will finish this project and Gone are those days where things are done in advance.

6:54It seems like everybody's building car while we're driving it. I am definitely building all cars while driving. Me too. We're like trying to move the kids' school for September, trying to move house, live show, finish book, work as usual. And you're coming to my book launch. I know, can't wait. Thanks for making the time for that one. Wouldn't miss it for the world. Apart from Orzo, have you got any recommendations for us this week? Do you know, I did. But before I go in, my friend sent me this text. I was literally on the train when it came through this morning. And it just kind of sums up our podcast.

7:25She said, Ri, kombucha, is this a new trend or am I late to the party? Just caught up with the episode. I love it. That's my friend Dinny. And she also makes the most amazing cake. She did Saki's birthday cake. But doesn't that just sum up the fact that we may think that something is really obvious, you know, because some of us have seen matcha for years or kombucha for years. But it's still just coming into the peripheral for some people. And that's why I just love this show so much. Me too. We chat through it all. We'll bring kombucha to you guys to the trends. We will. In a couple of weeks time.

7:54We have to do that. But my rec today was actually a book by Dr. David Robert Grimes, who we're definitely having on an extra scoop discussing all things tech. So his book, The Irrational Ape, I think is really compelling because it explores why humans often fall prey to flawed reasoning, misinformation. You know, why online we are so vulnerable, I think, and subject to all these cognitive biases. So embracing critical thinking can safeguard us from these pitfalls. And basically, his book goes through all of these things from the Dunning-Kruger effect to confirmation bias, so many different elements.

8:32And ultimately, it serves as both a diagnosis of our collective reasoning, you know, our failures and a call for action to cultivate a more rational and evidence based approach to understanding the world around us. And I think delving into that book, you just find yourself going, yep, yep, this is me. Yep, I've fallen victim to that. Yes. And it's a good read. I think that's such a great recommendation. We obviously talk quite a lot in the show about misinformation and how hard it is to navigate what people are saying and what to listen to and what to skip and how to tune out that noise. And so it sounds like if you're struggling with that, that's an amazing recommendation.

9:07How about you, Ella? Way less highbrow. Okay. No, no, but normally you have the books. Go on, share with me. We have watched the new show on Apple TV that I've also seen on every London bus over the last few weeks called Your Friends and Neighbours with Jon Hamm, who was the lead in Mad Men. I love TV shows when you get a good TV show it's the best way to kind of switch off your mind is it really gripping it's really gripping it's quite fun funny quite unexpected darker than you're imagining but not in a scary way very satirical very funny he's brilliant in it and just if you're switch off yeah I find it really hard as we were saying there's lots of moving ships at the moment I don't think that's an expression actually no but there's ships in the night isn't there moving pieces of the puzzle whatever it is ships going around basically lots happening and i find it really hard to then get into bed and you your to-do list starts going and so watching something i find just the best way to kind of yeah switch that off and then go to sleep and this has been fab we are both really enjoying it so very much recommend also this is such a niche recommendation other than also as a food one chimichurri i've never made it oh my gosh first of all it's so easy to make and second of all I know we always talk about 30 plants guys did you play my game did you remember we talked about last week it did refresh my memory to get the chart on the wall for the kid did you tally up how's the game going let us know if you're counting your 30 plants but it's so easy to make and I literally putting on everything at the moment like roast veggies salads dressings on toast with makes avocado toast way more interesting etc it's so easy you just blitz up kind of a very small red onion or half a shallot garlic lots and lots of parsley i normally don't like parsley but i love it in here husband does with parsley so it's just really random i think it's because he's maltese i don't know scrambled eggs and parsley that's what he does it's always been a thing and it drives me insane because i don't want parsley in my scrambled eggs but this is obviously something he's grown up with it's not my favorite i don't particularly like it actually i don't think yeah in that kind it's not it's like coriander people love or hate it But in chimichurri, it's phenomenal.

11:15And then you add coriander and then chili, cider vinegar or red wine vinegar, olive oil, salt. And you literally just blitz it all up. And it's just one of those like, people call them flavor bombs. You know, you just add it to everything and it's like a zing. Amazing. Super easy. Do you know what I want to do in another episode? It's reminded me is go through olive oil in more depth as in like what to look for in an olive oil. Also, I had, and this is totally off subject again, but the wire put on the back of my teeth. Oh, yeah. And it's like learning to speak again. I don't know. I feel like I'm really conscious of it.

11:46I feel like I've been the tip of my tongue. You know, you keep touching it because it's new in your mouth. And I'm finding it really hard. I'm like, oh, oh. Oh, I think you sound absolutely fantastic. I need some chimichurri to listen. You need some chimichurri. With orzo, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so we've got kombucha. We've still got saunas running and olive oil of things to pick up for you guys coming up. But for now, Rhi, where are we starting with the health headlines that matter?

12:13Okay, today's health headline that matters. We are starting with two weeks without internet reversed a decade of ageing. So we came across this. It's so thought-provoking. It's a study from the University of Texas at Austin. And the results are remarkable, Ella. It found that just two weeks of blocking mobile internet access from smartphones can significantly improve mental health, attention span and overall well-being. Makes sense. It's absolutely extraordinary. this is complete tangent but um that is why our dog is called austin because my husband went to university of texas really yeah he wanted to call him texas oh i just thought austin was a nice name yeah that's so nice homage to the dog this morning but in actual news as you said it's absolutely huge and i think i mean i find it whenever i get stressed or overwhelmed i caught myself with it last night i become it's almost like you start over stimulating yourself because you're already so stimulated and it becomes so hard to put down your phone and stop scrolling and obviously so many of us feel glued to our phones the data is all coming out of the us obviously because that's where the university of texas is and the researchers there what they were looking at was that 58 of american smartphone users including 80 of those under 30 worry that they're using their devices too much so essentially if anyone listening worries that they are glued to their phone too much i do we are completely normal that's basically what everybody's thinking at the moment and this was a proper controlled experiment so it was a four-week randomized control trial and it had 467 participants all aged 32.

13:44That's the gold standard of research guys around an RCT we call it randomized control trial so this is good stuff. I actually find when I become really obsessed or I can't get off my phone I start forgetting everything else that I'm meant to be doing and my mind kind of becomes like mush. So everyone in this study installed an app on their phone that blocked the internet access so I'm really interested in this so no browsers no social media calls and texts though still worked because obviously people you know need to use their internet at home for work or you know kids going to school so it wasn't about disconnecting entirely but it was just the constant bit Ella that constant connectivity exactly so people could still they weren't banning them from using the internet at home work school where they needed it but all they could use their phone for was calls and text so back to the olden days essentially of phones and after just two weeks of the digital reset 91 percent of the participants improved on at least one of three key outcomes when it came to mental health subjective well-being and attention span 71 percent reported better mental health with improvement in depression symptoms that was actually larger than what's been seen in multiple studies of antidepressants and attention spans improved by the amount equivalent to reversing 10 years of age-related cognitive decline, which is obviously where our headline that two weeks of that internet reversed a decade of ageing comes from.

15:08So it's pretty mind-boggling. It just doesn't surprise me though, because I think we all know it's a horrible feeling. You don't feel happy when you're hooked on technology for so long, or I'd love to hear if you do. You know, if anyone listening does actually enjoy a long period of time on their phone, perhaps we're jumping the gun here. But I just think we need to be more connected like we discussed before with social interaction but what's more interesting as well is that these people spent more time outside in nature they slept better they spoke to people face to face and enjoyed the slower pace and their benefits grew over time which i think is the other bit that's interesting so people reported feeling progressively better day by day the more connected they were to the offline world the less reactive the more in control of their life and as you said spending more time more time outside more face to face and started to actually enjoy the slower a pace because it is interesting isn't it I imagine lots of you listening might nod along to what I said but since the episode we did on with TJ Power on phones and social media I've been thinking about it more and more and I really notice myself when you're standing in the queue for something for example like I was in the post office the other day it was probably a five or six minute queue this is not a long period of time but the temptation is just to get out your phone and scroll or look at something.

16:22I work. Yeah. I don't know how to stand and be still. In that queue, I would probably do an email or a text or get a task done. And I think that's the point that's so interesting is it's almost like we're so addicted to that fast pace and having that connectivity and being productive or doing something all the time that we don't know how to feel bored anymore. I worry about the future generations because people that obviously you and I fell into our line of work in a very organic way and we're very blessed to have the time without phones you know growing up to a certain degree but I do worry about my children I think oh my goodness those that aspire to be content creators because then their whole life is spent on these platforms and with data like this coming out that it ages you and it affects your mental health it's just not good is it?

17:10I mean this is study of one and as anecdotal as it comes this is not a good randomized control trial but last night I was feeling so overwhelmed I was in I'm going to be honest I was in the worst mood I have been in since all year I was in a foul mood things just weren't working out I was frustrated you've got a big to-do list there was a lot going on yeah Matt was absolutely exhausted he got into bed really early and I sat down sets on like for I think about three hours basically on my phone I achieved nothing I had so much to do yeah or I could have relaxed and watched something enjoyable or read my book called my mom gone for a walk i could have done all manner of things i didn't i ordered a takeaway and i sat downstairs and i doom scrolled for three hours basically and i ended up on all sorts of things that terrified me yes on all sorts of like just watch videos of like sharks the news comes up and you don't want to see it i know and how common drowning is i mean yes i saw that too with the kid drowning in the pool.

18:10It was so unhealthy. I went to bed in an even worse mood, feeling even more anxious. Yeah. Anyway, I say this because it's just so normal and so human. And I think it's just such an interesting example. As I said, that's not a randomized controlled trial, but that is very much an anecdotal party of one. But we all do it. And I think when you look at data like this, it's just even more compelling evidence that it's not probably possible for most of us to delete the internet from our phones, but we just need to reassess our association. It's like TJ said, it's a procrastination from the tasks that need to be done because it gives you a kind of weird dopamine response, even if it's bad news.

18:45And that is the problem we've all got to face. But it does move us on to a really lovely headline, Ella. Headline two, do you want to go into that one? Okay, this is a brilliant headline packed with wisdom, everything I need in my life at the moment. And the headline, this comes from the Times, it was the importance and hidden wisdom of being alone. And as you said, in what's coming up in today's show is by Deepak Chopra. But basically, I think we were both really inspired by his piece entitled The Importance and Hidden Wisdom of Doing Nothing. it's not really headline health news as such but it's just a very very thoughtful reflection on in a moment where i think so many of us feel overstimulated our nervous systems feel quite stuck in fight or flight we're kind of constantly rushing we're reacting we're refreshing things it's just so easy to keep going keep being busy keep scrolling and not actually connect with ourselves as per my anecdote of what i did last night which i think is why this article really stood out and essentially he explores the idea of non-doing and I hadn't heard the concept in this exact guise before but I loved it.

19:48It's essentially defined as not rest, not meditation but a deeper kind of stillness, a state of wakeful alertness as he calls it, where you let go of doing, of fixing, of striving and instead you just rest in your own being. So it's not just a break in a busy day or like an add-on, you know, wellness add-on like rushing to a yoga class or a spin class, it's like the basis of life in the way that he describes it, where you sit in stillness and actually reconnect with yourself and what's going on in your mind and your body and your emotions. I mean, what makes that so powerful as well? It's not about zoning out or escaping as such, but it's like tuning back in to presence, to clarity.

20:26Because when we got into the studio today, I was speaking to our producer, Will, and I said, oh, I'm loving, this makes me sound very old now, but I'm loving seeing the birds in the garden. I actually said to him, when I have time in the summer, I sit and look at the birds. And I'm like, why am I not doing that now? Because I feel like I'm too busy to just take a moment to do this non-doing or wakeful alertness. But I look forward to wakeful alertness time, I've realized. And we've been pulled so far towards busyness and distraction that stillness is actually really uncomfortable. Like Ella said, you know, she was sat there and I do the same thing.

21:00I don't want to be aware of it. I want to distract myself and anxiety fatigue poor sleep burnout all of it catches up with us so non-doing isn't a luxury it's just the reset our mind and body needs Ella exactly and I think it it's so easy to say oh I don't have time but I mean last night I could have just skipped some of my shark videos yeah yeah you definitely should have skipped those quietly instead and as you said it really helps if you can look at nature and he offers a very simple motivational exercise that we wanted to bring and he said you just need to all you need to do this is a free task that we could probably all do every day is just sit in a quiet place with no distractions phone turned off in my case i would find it easier if my phone was just away yeah i'll just set it in the corner yeah sit and do nothing for five minutes don't look at your watch just estimate also as in estimate the time and the real turning point comes when actually this becomes comfortable and not uncomfortable and it's not because to start with I think it feels quite forced to sit in silence but I feel like I'd need to set a timer on Alexa for five minutes like I don't know how I feel uncomfortable with you just reading out saying just estimate the time I just don't know we're too wired to be control free example we were too yeah exactly on the clock I think he's saying basically you know that you've this is working when you actually enjoy those minutes when you start to see them as a gift and the voice of non-doing starts to reach you.

22:29Okay because this sounds hard I think we need to do it so I think we should both try and do it so we can report back on an episode in a week or two because could you sit in stillness for five minutes no phone no distractions I mean would you just feel an urge to reach for it or do something I'd probably go do housework Ella I'd probably go in the washroom and start doing more washing. I think I'd struggle interestingly in lockdown not just turn this episode into like some kind of therapy I feel like it is every week for us anyway but in lockdown it had been a very busy kind of decade or so between launching the business and lots of things happening in our personal life my parents got divorced my mother-in-law died I'd got pregnant Sky was born all while we built the business so we kind of been living in like a times 30 mode I was not taking my five minutes of wakeful alertness that is for sure you were looking for ashwagandha I remember that any kind of who could blame you look at what you're going through and when and I was meant to be on this massive book tour and then lockdown came it was cancelled and I had to sit still basically and had a huge amount of time really in my day because all of the things I was meant to be doing at work were cancelled and I realised this state of kind of constant anxiety that I'd been living in I'd been having really intrusive thoughts and wasn't in a particularly good headspace.

23:49And I signed up to do this mindfulness based stress reduction course. And I actually signed up to do it because I was trying to finish my 500 hours of yoga teacher training because I thought I've got to keep going, going, going. That was so my state of being. And it completely changed my life. It was extraordinary. It got to the point, I think it was an eight week course. And by the end, we were doing almost two hours of meditation a day. and this meditation was this it was silence there wasn't guided it was literally sitting and just being with yourself and to start with oh my god it was so uncomfortable i've never felt more itchy or desperate to do something and then the teacher who was absolutely phenomenal was giving us these little tasks to do at the beginning like take something you do habitually and don't take your phone and one of my joys in lockdown was there was a coffee shop let's say like a four or five minute walk from our house that was lovely and I would go and get takeaway coffee and I started doing it without my phone and her point was like actually do it mindfully like engage in your senses how does the pavement feel under your feet what can you smell what can you hear what can you actually see and stop being distracted and just be where you are anyway it was absolutely the most amazing eight weeks and obviously it's like mind fleeting but for you for your body it was amazing matt was like oh you're ella 2.0 i was just this like calm so i really tuned in for and it lasted a while for that wakeful alertness and as i said it was deeply uncomfortable to start with but actually it was really profound in the end really profound that's so inspiring i need to get back to it quite clearly i know but i just don't know how i think you have to pick a time in your life and that was your time to experiment in that specific area i just think everyone needs to start with the five minutes and definitely aim for that that's a good goal Ella and we also came across just to lead on nicely a feature in the Telegraph that actually said why your poor posture could be shortening your life and it may be kind of looked twice because it highlights how you just said for instance you were slouching in your chair before we started and posture isn't just about aesthetics you know it can actually have serious health implications but I think when we're kids you know you see the children at home they've got like perfect posture and as we age when do we lose it we just don't sit straight because we get tired I know I'm quite envious of my children's straight backs Me too, me too They just sit there and they look so perfect and poised And it's not even a hard thing to do I know, they were making us play schools the other day And the little one was shouting at Matt She was like, Daddy, crisscross applesauce Which is what they call crossing your legs Like sitting on the floor for some reason And straight back, Daddy And he was like, I can't I can't do it, yeah, yeah, yeah This is going to break all my bones but exactly as you said i think interestingly posture and back strength we talked about it as one of the kind of trends of this year was back strength for thinking about posture and poise and it was more from an aesthetic perspective in terms of being touted as a 2025 wellness trend but as you said the interesting point here was that actually it's not just about looks and i think we probably all agree you know a straight back does look lovely but actually poor posture can lead to a range of health issues including back and neck pain, reduced lung capacity and even digestive problems and over time this can contribute to more severe conditions like cardiovascular disease and decreased life expectancy.

27:11It's also I think maybe an element of privilege comes into this discussion as well because I remember my grandma you know was a very working class background but she in World War II would let the trains come in in midnight for all soldiers her job and she was only a teenager and she would walk by herself to the station she would do all that and she started to talk about these strange small places she was made to sit within the station and the amount of workload she was doing and things she was carrying and sadly she passed away many years ago now but she kind of had a hunchback and she couldn't sit up straight and when she'd walk around the house you know you see it a lot don't you with the elderly that kind of hunched over forwards and I think a lot of it does come down to the job role you've had the ability or time to go and exercise, look after yourself, because our lifestyles have just got more sedentary.

28:02So even though we know more than my grandma did back then, and we're not faced with a war in this country, we're very blessed not to at the moment because it's not an easy world. But poor posture, it's a tech neck, they're calling it, Ella. It's a phenomenal tech neck. I can't even take it seriously when I'm saying it. And it's more prevalent now and it can lead to chronic discomfort. And I do sit there on the tube and I'm really conscious if I look at my phone that I'm just staring down. I do think of my nan a lot and I try and push my head up and lift up my phone. I know. Technic. It's coming for us all.

28:33I've certainly got it. My posture is appalling. I've noticed all three of us. I'm like slouched to the side of the chair. I imagine you guys have done the same. But it's the strength. Apparently it's the muscles in your back. You know that diamond area. Is it your trapeze or something at the back of? Don't quote me on that, guys. biology cannot remember there's like a diamond and you're meant to work out the diamond in between your two bones on your back you know the ones you move like a bird when you move your shoulders scapula is it scapula yeah you're scapula yeah you know you're the yoga guru i've just been desperately trying to fix my posture yeah yes anyway exactly so yeah exercises really help obviously avoid slouching but i think strengthening your core and those back muscles is so powerful.

29:18Stretch regularly, be mindful of your posture as you're going throughout the day, particularly when you're on your phone. Use ergonomic furniture when possible and stay active. It definitely is a powerful reminder that we can change something here. So this isn't doom and gloom. This is about, hang on, let's take five minutes to ourselves, just practice it and let's try and sit up straight. But they go together because Technic's all about leaning forward to your phone so put your phone away in my case stop watching videos of sharks and by the thing i bought the phone box that goes by the door and i have to say we've lapsed out of it again and i need to get my husband back into it because i'm like put your phone in the phone box and it doesn't always happen i need a phone box it is so important to me that my home feels like a calm and cozy sanctuary from the chaos of the world.

30:07I found that beyond decorating, sensory things like warm smells and soft textures make the biggest impact for that. And especially as it cools down outside, I'm looking for the best ways to snuggle up on my couch. I recently moved and one of the very first things I added to my new living room was my bubble cuddle blanket from Cozy Earth. It's a faux fur material that is so incredibly soft and has this cool bubble design that makes it look and feel very plush. It's a mid-weight construction so I've honestly decided against getting a weighted blanket because it's not too heavy but you still get that feeling of security when you lie under it.

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31:59Ree, what is going on here? Okay, so this was sent to me by a friend who also listens to the Wilder Scoop, and she said, oh my goodness, does this mean I can drink more champagne? And I straight away was like, well, obviously not. It's just a headline. So I had a look into it and Ella and I had a look at this for the brief. So The Guardian piece ran a title and this was what it was called. Drinking champagne reduces risk of sudden cardiac arrest. So it's not your typical health tip. The story comes from a new study led by Fudan University and published in the Canadian Journal of Cardiology. So research was taken from over 500 ,000 UK biobank, Ella.

32:34There's our biobank. Biobank data again. That's Ella's mum in the biobank. Welcome, Ella. Yeah. But the participants explored how, has she been drinking a lot of champagne, Ella? Oh, she doesn't like champagne. She can't have been. She probably opt out. Yeah, she must have opted out this one. Opted out this one. So participants had to explore how lifestyle factors influence sudden cardiac arrest, which is basically a condition when your heart stops without warning. And survival rates, sadly, are really low with this sort of thing. Exactly. So the team in this case looked at 56 modifiable risk factors, which included everything you can think of, things like diet, alcohol, sleep, mental health, loneliness, financial stress.

33:14And the impact was huge. If the population's worst third of lifestyle related factors were improved, 40 % of sudden cardiac arrest could be prevented. And if you improve the bottom two thirds of those risk factors, then the number jumps up to 63%. Now, I remember at Rehampton University, a researcher coming in and telling us she was researching bubbles, she said, you know, basically champagne and Prosecco. And sadly, they hadn't found anything that equates to what they'd been finding in red wine. And everyone was really disappointed in the lecture theatre. I remember it so clearly. But the surprise comes from this with a potential cardiac protective effect from moderate consumption of champagne and white wine.

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33:51I mean, I wonder what moderate consumption of champagne is quite an expensive habit to have. Red wine has long been linked, as we know, to heart health because of antioxidants. But I just want to caveat this and say the studies on red wine, it's often with a meal. It's in a Mediterranean setting. I don't mean every night after you get back from work, cracking open a bottle of booze, because that's definitely not what we're suggesting here. But it does suggest that other types of wine might offer similar benefits to the red wine in small amounts. So please, small amounts. Remember the headline Ella raised a week ago that said that any drop of alcohol increases your risk of breast cancer.

34:26So we have to really look at these headlines of a pinch of salt. Absolutely. And we've talked about this before, that obviously we're all kind of like desperate to validate our own preferences and habits. And so it's why we're always like, you always see the headlines being like, coffee's so good for you, red wine's so good for you, chocolate's so good for you. because these are the sorts of things we all generally love. Exactly. There's a collective enjoyment for. So as you said, everyone's kind of looking for make these foods good for us. That's what Bex was doing. She sent the artist to me like, please tell me this is actually a decent headline.

34:57And unsurprisingly, health experts have been quick to remind us as part of this conversation not to get too carried away. Sorry, Bex. The Bridget Heart Foundation, for example, stressed that alcohol is still a known risk factor in other areas and that the real focus should be on the lifestyle as a whole. movement blood pressure stress sleep food that's what really protects your heart and to this point of actually it's really easy and fun to be distracted by the um champagne element of this data but actually the much more interesting bit is when you're looking at these modifiable risk factors so the things that we can modify in our life within reason like loneliness i mean it's not easy but trying to have that more face-to-face contact like our diet like our sleep like our mental well-being our tech neck doing what we can to improve these factors actually if you improve two-thirds of those factors the prevention rate for sudden cardiac arrest jumps up to 63 percent so enormous so champagne is just one of those very small parts of it but actually it's just another really great example when you get behind the headline of the fact that just making those small changes in your lifestyle in your diet are so profound exactly and if you are going to drink perhaps at a special occasion or something you're having a drink instead of opting for a different spirit or alcohol perhaps do have that little glass of champagne if you want to exactly and enjoy it you know what we were talking about this the other day how frustrating things like guilty pleasures are because in our society we have such a strange and warped relationship often with diet culture and with food that we stop enjoying that glass of champagne and the chocolate cake because we're like oh it's not good for us but if you're gonna have it enjoy it plastic cup ella like i have guilt now i buy my hot drink even in a keep cup i've got that's plastic at home and i think oh it's all just plastic isn't it i'm not i don't have my glass keep cup to hand i know now it's another guilty pleasure but you know what it's an oxymoron if it's a pleasure it can't make you feel guilty so make those things pleasures guys and then balance them with lots of things that nourish you all round.

37:01Okay, Rhi, let's move into what's trending in wellness. There is so much to talk about here. I've got here that you have something to play me and that has a language warning. I know that trigger warning for language here, but I just had to play this as an example of what's going on in the world. I'm in Marks and Spencer's at the moment and oh my god, I've got rage okay i'll tell you why all i want to do is get something to eat yeah picked up this first of all rapeseed oil okay next one hang on i thought oh this looks good naked katsu chicken but guess what rapeseed oil in that as well don't be fooled don't be fooled by all of these looking nice and healthy yeah because every one has got rapeseed oil i'm not even fussy i'm not even a fussy eater i will literally eat anything i just don't want to be poisoned with rapeseed oil and seed oils and everything everyone do me a favor and tag marks and spencers in this video and just ask them let's ask them why the are there seed oils in absolutely everything it makes no sense funnily enough that video pops up on my algorithm as well and I think what's so interesting is it's got over 5 000 comments and it's got 1.5 million views at the moment it's going viral and it's just such an interesting example of this information that's not correct going viral and creating this huge amount of confusion you can see it in part of this 5 000 comments that people say because I think there has been a pretty widespread level of information through our podcast and all sorts of other podcasts and headlines over the last few months actually this whole seed oil debate is nonsense there's no evidence for it as we've talked about you don't need to be worried about it rapeseed oil is actually really beneficial for your health especially cold pressed but you then see videos like that online and it's so overwhelming you don't know what to believe it's the way you get these influencers or marketeers that walk through the supermarket I mean supermarkets must be getting security to crack down on it now but they're so compelling in the way they use the f word they're swearing you know Eddie Abu's another one that walks through the supermarket tonic half all of them with such conviction about what they're saying and what they're saying is just misinformed it goes back to the book I recommend at the beginning the irrational ape it's human beings that are just trying to get some attention and the only way they can think to get attention is to be angry is to express these emotions and to put fear into people and i don't like it ella i don't like it at all we just need good vibes today i need good vibes today so okay i've got weird vibes let's laugh do it i'm not sure i'm gonna call the next bit good vibes okay i have been on an odd deep dive the last few years she can't get the words out it's just this is just odd and i think look misinformation bizarre information it's rife in today's world as we've talked about so many times the more extreme the bigger the pickup and it's as simple as that you can't pr a carrot and a lentil in the same way you can pr screaming shouting ranting or something that's pretty novel in this case that's eating raw testicles um not human i hate to add steak and kidney pie is bad enough for people i don't understand um okay so there is a new show it's just come out a documentary on Netflix and it's called The Liver King.

40:34With Brian Johnson. Brian Johnson. But don't be confused listeners because we talked about another Brian Johnson a couple of months ago who's our friend who spends a couple of million dollars a year anti-aging. This is not the same Brian Johnson. They're both Americans of a similar age but they're our friend with who's doing two million a year I say friend in inverted commas just to clarify on his anti-aging protocol, he's with a Y. This is Brian Johnson with an I. And he is better known online as the liver king. He has built an enormous, enormous following. So he's got 6.1 million followers on TikTok.

41:11Some of his videos have been viewed like 45 million times. In one clip I was watching yesterday, he's literally sprinkling bone marrow crumbs on a chocolate mousse. In another, he's eating like digging into raw testicles on camera doesn't flinch I flinch they do smell by the way because you've got millions of neurons inside a testicle um sorry I'm just going in because I remember university looking at testicles and things and you they do smell yeah it's like um I'm a celeb get me out of here they obviously have these like horrible challenges where you have to eat disgusting things and it's like just doing that for fun in this case and the documentary follows his rise and interestingly the dramatic fallout that came afterwards because it was revealed he basically has it's not a six pack it's like a 60 pack i mean he is just a solid muscle i would say look him up this is pretty interesting stuff but he was secretly spending eleven thousand dollars a month estimated on steroids so he was there claiming his physique came from raw organs and heavy lifting but actually he's spending tens of thousands of dollars But you know what?

42:18Your physique can come from just eating a keto carnivore diet. It just doesn't mean you're healthy looking a certain aesthetic. But that is shocking. The misinformation, the lies, essentially. Either way, it's just not healthy. The lack of fibre, all of it, Ella, for online success is just such a lie. It's extraordinary. He had a very compelling story. So essentially the origin story, I'm going to say it's a pretty classic wellness story in the sense of gets ill, looks for solution. very much my story as well so I can't judge in that in any shape or form but back in 2013 him and his wife and she is apparently known as the liver queen so we've got the liver royal family here they had two young sons called rad ikal and striker with a y and those boys were constantly unwell with some quite severe allergies and he was desperate to help them which obviously is something we would all relate to he turned to ancestral living that's what he calls it and that was eating raw liver bone broth no processed foods at all and a lifestyle built around what he calls the nine tenants so that's sleep eat move shield from wi-fi we're going to talk about that in an extra scoop because i think wi-fi emf etc something people are concerned about at the moment connect by walking barefoot fight i'm not sure about that one and bond i think with boys just i mean i'm not sure about it either but there's testosterone surges they go through and they just want to like wrestle each other i have two young boys and it's just yeah but i'm sorry this supposedly cured his kids is what they're saying now obviously if you cut out all ultra processed foods and they're not going to be having things that could cause allergies or intolerances or flare-ups because you're literally just eating the protein of course the symptoms are going to go away i mean that's a no-brainer but it doesn't mean that diet is healthy for them long term that's what's so scary so apparently the liver king also launched a supplement line but he built a multi-million pound empire.

44:12Yeah and then he denied using steroids until some leaked emails proved otherwise and essentially the documentary it's quite interesting he admits it all he talks about all sorts of different things and how his perception of risk was really warped he had made drugs in his apartment beforehand ran scams all sorts of sort of wild things and I think I guess there's two parts of it that recently I wanted to bring it up one there is this trend at the moment and the Times actually had an article a few days ago and like why is my feed filled with people eating raw meat and there's about 15 000 videos on tiktok at the moment tagged hashtag raw meat it's really dangerous there's another influencer with three million followers shared a video making what he called raw liver cereal so it's like raw liver with milk blueberries and maple syrup oh my gosh and there are this is part of my deep dive there were quite a lot of people online and these videos again surprise surprise get enormous number of views because it's fascinating versus peeling a carrot with the point a minute ago but they'll get food poisoning well that thing obviously it carries it does carry a real risk but there is this big trend of raw meat and i know like steak tartare has always been a popular dish it's not like no one's ever eaten raw meat but eating raw organs yeah but it's treated isn't it steak tartare i think what's so risky here is the bacteria that's found when things aren't cooked but equally i just think if your whole diet is going to be full of meat you have to be okay with the ethics behind that you have to be aware that you're cutting out all the other food groups and we know that having a balanced plate with food groups has different health outcomes including a longer lifespan if you get enough fiber and all these sorts of things I mean your gut microbiome is going to be dying a slow death if you just eat meat so yes you will see these amazing results and different feelings because you've got such low carbohydrate intake you'll get very lean very quickly and that's what a lot of these influencers do like oh look at my six pack oh yeah it says yeah that it was basically because of his abs right and all the other stuff and the products and the supplements and then I know I'll just take a fiber supplement because I'm not eating it you just can't replace the benefits from a whole diet and I find this all really shocking and I'm really sorry if anyone listening has also fallen victim to this because it makes me feel this makes me feel sad rather than angry yeah and I think it's also this well I guess there's two other things for me, which is that one, I think I can't quite believe they're the same name, Brian Johnson.

46:37But I think it shows this. It's another example of Netflix documentaries or similar streaming platforms are not being made about day to day, simple wellness, about your five minutes off your phone, about your hot girl walk on your lunch break, about connecting with your friends over a healthy meal, about how to make a delicious orzo and chimichurri dinner. bell gibson it's extreme and so again it goes back to to me this real danger of consistently associating wellness with extreme and it makes people so put off this industry at a time where we so desperately need to change our eating habits and our lifestyles and that really concerns me but the second is it's just another example of how please don't believe anything you ever see online essentially because the only way to get cut through in the algorithm today is to be extreme and to spark debate it's ultimately it's really the only way to get cut through yeah and look like me eat like me what i eat in a day or extreme diets you need to have something that ignites a passion that sparks a huge comment section essentially and it has to have a level of controversy or curiosity that's why cottage cheese bread did so well because everyone's like oh cottage cheese in a bread like it wasn't very controversial but it's still a good and intrigue element hasn't it and the fact that this then wasn't even real as in it's to your point like obviously cutting out all ultra processed foods can really improve your health which is probably why they saw some of these benefits but you're negating all sorts of other health benefits by for example not having your 30 plants a week but you're also selling a lie because you don't look like that because of your diet you look like that from taking a huge amount of steroids so what's the moral implications is he having to pay people back that he took money from with his business for this lie like what's the outcome i doubt it i highly doubt i have to pay money back wow so he lied to everyone took their money and made the carnivore diet really successful and look at it now and also there was another guy that followed a carnivore diet that was really big on twitter at the time and then he came out and had to have all those heart operations and things and came out saying it's because of the diet he was following but at the time he was so successful he just kept plowing forward it's really worrying um ella a complete different trend let's move on to mushrooms yes and we don't mean mushrooms like portobello or chestnut kind of mushrooms much as i love those again guys put those in your also teeny mushrooms a mushroom a creamy mushroom also is a 10 out of 10 dinner lots of thyme garlic phenomenal i love a bit of white wine with mushroom if you're cooking it in a risotto that is really delicious it's so good isn't it they're one of the best ingredients but we're actually not talking about those kind of mushrooms we're talking about more powdered mushrooms here like functional mushrooms we're thinking reishi chaga lion's mane cordyceps which are having such a moment particularly mushroom coffee and i know lots of you guys have asked us to talk about this i'm going to say this is quite surprising but the global mushroom drinks market size was worth around 4.7 billion dollars in 2023 and it's predicted to go to around just over$7.5 billion by 2032.

49:44It's having a boom. I mean, mushroom drinks are not actually that niche in that sense. No. And I actually remember when I was working with Ronnie O'Sullivan a few pre-COVID actually, and we were writing our book together, his dad had gone into chaga mushrooms. And I remember him coming up to me saying, Reid, do you want to get on these drinks with me? I was like, what do you mean mushroom drinks? And that's the first time I think I'd heard of it. So these mushroom drinks are functional beverages, which are definitely having a moment in the wellness landscape at the moment. They're made from extracts or powders of what we call medicinal mushrooms.

50:21And Ella listed a few off there. You've got the reishi, the lion's mane, cordyceps, shiitake. These mushrooms have been used for centuries, guys, in traditional medicine. So particularly in Asian cultures, there's a lot of history there and tradition that's based around them. And they've got lots of, you know, supposed health benefits. So modern mushroom drinks often combine those extracts with other natural ingredients like herbs, spices. We've discussed adaptogens before, all those sorts of things to create beverages that promote, I guess, health claims that people love to stick on a pack or a drink, like, oh, it's going to give you more energy.

50:54This one drink is going to help you focus or, you know, support your immune system. Please run if it says boost your immune system. That's not an authorised claim. But these drinks come in various forms, Ella. So you've probably seen a lot of the ready to go ones, right? Yeah, exactly. You've got like sparkling drinks and but there's what I'm seeing loads at the moment are the powders. And coffee. For coffees, exactly. Or hot chocolate. Exactly. And they're really expensive. I mean, they are really, really expensive. But I know that there is quite a lot of research starting to come out that actually they can be beneficial.

51:27But obviously with these things, the problem is, as always, what's the source? because sometimes the amount in what you're getting, because it is so expensive, is so low that it won't have the effect. But give us a breakdown of them all. So let's start with reishi. Okay. And also remember these are ultra processed foods. So actually powdering down the mushroom, you're probably better off eating a variety of food to get benefits that you'll get from this anyway in a small dose. And then often artificial sweeteners are added for taste. So be a bit wary of that. So reishi is known as the mushroom of immortality.

52:01Ella? Perhaps this is our anti-aging benefit. Apparently, it's revered for calming properties and the abilities to support the immune system and potential to improve sleep quality. And then the chaga one that Ronnie's dad very kindly pointed me in the direction of is very rich in antioxidants, which I think is a valid claim. And it's often used to combat oxidative stress. And that's something that we all get naturally day to day anyway, support skin health. And then And here comes the claim that comes with it. Boost immunity, which is not a valid claim. You do not want to be boosting your immune system.

52:35That's actually quite dangerous. But there's so many, Ella. And I think, have you heard of Lion's Mane? Yeah, I have to say there's a yoga studio that is absolutely phenomenal. It's called Love Supreme Projects. It's the best yoga studio I've ever been to in London. Where is it? It's kind of North Notting Hill, basically. Cool, amazing. And it's absolutely phenomenal. The most amazing teachers. It's really special. but opposite it is a cafe that does all of these sorts of drinks and I have to say like every now and again I go and who knows if it's a placebo what but I must say I feel really good when I drink them.

53:10Do you know what the first ever TV interview I did back in 2000 it was a BBC World in 2014 or 15 and it was on mushrooms guanadurium lucium or something I can't even remember what it was called right now it was a new mushroom and it hit the headlines so I remember being asked to speak about it. But lion's mane in this instance does have some research, but it definitely doesn't miraculously improve your memory focus or mental clarity. But why not? I mean, I don't think there's any harming having these things in small amounts. Cordyceps, however, athletes sometimes use them to enhance performance.

53:42So I'm wondering in terms of endurance athletes and things where that's going to go. And then we've got shiitake, which is known for immune boosting again, which you've got to be careful of supporting your immune system, I'd say, and for heart health. So overall, I don't think mushrooms are a bad thing, Ella, but you know, you've got to remember that, let's take the shiitake one as an example of supporting your immune system. It's shown to have promise here. And one study demonstrated that consuming these mushrooms daily for four weeks did lead to a significant reduction in C-reactive protein, and that's CRP levels and markers that you'll often find if you're in a hospital if you've just had a baby they'll check those before you're released all sorts of things like that it's a marker of inflammation it is exactly and i think that could be really helpful and then we've got data on gut health of course because essentially if you're eating a mushroom that's a good prebiotic but i will question here the data is it done on the drinks or is it done on the mushrooms themselves because once you turn a mushroom into an ultra processed food and you're grinding it down you're going to get different variable amounts of prebiotics and fibre than you would get when you just consume it fresh.

54:51Absolutely. And again, you've got some studies, for example, on lion's mane that could protect against some neurological damage, potentially help manage conditions like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. So I would say as a kind of overall sweeping statement, there is some really interesting, promising, but small, relatively scale studies on the fact that actually medicinal mushrooms could have powerful effects on our health but the big word of warning is a it's in quite early stages of research this is not huge studies on large swathes of the population but be just be really conscious where you're buying them because i think with quite a lot of these powders the amount that's actually in the coffee that you end up drinking is so low and it's and the additives in it so high exactly it tastes nice because you know grounding down a mushroom in a drink isn't going to taste very palatable that's why it's in hot chocolates and things and remember yeah these studies are in the labs and in animal studies often we don't have a lot in humans and what I will say because I used to think you could do this as a child please don't go and pick the mushrooms in the woods because they can be toxic and I remember going to pick a mushroom I'd seen in the woods and you know what my kids do it if we're going on a nature walk or something and they see mushrooms like fungi growing off a tree it's really hard to tell which ones unless you're an expert are edible.

56:09Yeah, I think it's not quite a London problem. You're going to get, you know, seeing mushrooms growing on the Southerah, but if you're in the country like I am, definitely don't. I would just say buy them. And if you see the ones that say enriched with vitamin D, that's an added bonus because they've been specifically growing to get a bit more sunlight because mushrooms grow in the shade naturally, but they can absorb vitamin D if they're placed in direct sunlight. So you've got to be really careful about that. And then you've got to place them with the gills up so the brown bits underneath you know the flaky bits have got to absorb the sunshine oh love let's cook with mushrooms let's cook with mushrooms let's make chimichurri mushroom also do you know i'm gutted because my eldest is really off mushrooms but my youngest is obsessed because i think the texture is quite slimy and i think they're better when you blitz them and put them in things like a mushroom ragu kind of thing mushroom walnut lentil ragu that's one of my oh with walnuts there we go guys get the walnuts in there yeah very good for your brain so a really good listener question that we've got is um first of all so many people also gave us running tips I forgot to say thank you runners because someone here said basically when you start running and so many of you said this you don't have to just run it is normal to walk and run I'm inspired by that I did actually want to try the couch to 5k app which helps you start to run and it's um was exactly that.

57:28It was run a little bit, walk a little bit. So I think you have to take that back out. I love that. And then we've got an amazing listener question here that says, thank you very much. I've got a few random questions, please. But the first ones, I'd love examples of full day meals that help us get everything we need. So she says, I know Ella loves a cheer pudding, but that's what she said here. Ella loves a cheer pudding. I do. But she says, I feel like I need literal examples so I continue on once I have it clear in my mind also wondering if we can get all our nutrients from food rather than supplements and I'll just say yes to that quickly in most cases you can Ella give us buy your vitamin d and of course vitamin d and omega-3 if you don't eat oily fish thousand percent Ella please give us an exact example of your cheer pudding okay the cheer pudding is I would do two tablespoons of chia seeds two tablespoons of oats two tablespoons of yogurt then pour in enough milk to cover it and mix it all up together let that sit for even half an hour but you can let it sit overnight when you come to eat it you'll probably want to add a little bit more milk you can use any milk that you like plant normal whatever works same with the yogurt you might want to add a squeeze of honey or a drop of maple and then some butter on the top and you are golden but i found like she also wants some other ideas for lunch for dinner kind of a whole day she said yeah give us an example of like a day of meals what are you going to make for dinner tonight so for me today because i'm getting back later today it's probably definitely going to be i've got some rice that was left cooked that i cooked yesterday so i just fry it off in the pan with peas and whatever i've got in i've got loads of tomatoes because i'm doing some work with an amazing tomato company so my fridge is full of all these rainbow tomatoes from the isle of wight ella so i'm going to do a tomato pea rice probably add some sardines because the kids love sardines and I know they're getting omega-3 that's it I just fry it all off in the pan I love that what I made on the weekend that I will use for tonight as an example pesto pesto is my children's favorite meal and we all really like it but again in the interest of my fun game of getting 30 plants a week I'm always thinking of different things I could do I love rocket or arugula for our American friends in pesto I think it adds such nice flavor and again that's an ingredient that my children would never eat but they love the pesto with it in I also added edamame to the pesto so it's a base of cashews and pine nuts and then we've got edamame loads and loads of basil lemon garlic and rocket loads loads of olive oil blitz that up and then I will do that with pasta I will fry up some tofu as well and then my daughter loves parmesan she will drown hers in parmesan and that will be our easy family meal tonight I love that parmesan's fermented as well guys so it's actually a cheese that could be really good for your gut health so yeah that will be like a five ten minute win yeah win win win guys thank you for your questions please please keep them coming in literally we do read them every single one on the spotify remarks and on apple as well and then the live show is coming in a matter of weeks so we're actually having a meeting today to prep aren't we i know it's going to be amazing there's almost no tickets left of 900 tickets which is absolutely extraordinary but anyway guys thank you for listening, thank you for being here.

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In this week’s episode, we’re diving into four surprising headlines that touch on everything from daily habits to big lifestyle shifts.

First up, new research reveals that just two weeks without mobile internet can reverse ten years of cognitive ageing and significantly boost mental health. We break down what happened in the study, and whether a digital detox could work in real life.

Then, we explore the idea of nondoing — a powerful wellness concept from Deepak Chopra that isn’t meditation or rest, but a deeper kind of stillness that reconnects you with yourself.

We also look at a bold claim from The Telegraph — that poor posture could shorten your life — and share practical steps to improve it, starting today.

And finally, a fun one: champagne might actually be good for your heart. But before you pop a bottle, we unpack what the science says (and what it doesn’t).

In today’s trend check, we explore the booming world of mushroom-based wellness drinks, from lion’s mane lattes to adaptogenic teas — are they worth the hype?

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Ella's chimichurri recipe: - ½ shallot/small red onion, 1 clove garlic, a large handful (25g) of fresh parsley, finely chopped, a small handful of fresh coriander (15g), finely chopped, 1 red chilli, 2 tablespoons cider vinegar,  5 tablespoons olive oil, pinch of salt

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