Should You Really Eat the Rainbow, Blood Type Diets & What Do Smelly Farts Mean?

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3:28I have to tell you first of all, okay, we're remote today. Rehab's really bad cold and I have a really old dog who is just like so confused. He's sort of like a bit deaf, a bit blind, can't figure out what's going on in the world. So he keeps coming in and out. So if you can hear scruffling, I'm so sorry. He is really sweet. It's just a little bit old and confused. But I have to tell you very quickly, you're going to be so proud of me. Look what I have. I have two giant cups that none of them are coffee. Oh my goodness. Ella, is it your coconut matcha? I'm so cliched. I have a huge like pastel pink Stanley cup, homemade lemonade, fresh mint lemon a bit of honey and sparkling water i know i'm sorry i wish i could send it through and then this is ginger tea anyway basically guys normally re and i sit down and i'm like have had three coffees and no water and today i've had one coffee and i'm like i must have over a liter of liquid here none of which is coffee oh that's great it's really good hard on it she's working hard and also for anyone that's followed ella which i'm sure there's tons of you listening from the very beginning you will know of austin her doggies so i'm sure you're all sending your love there as well.

4:34Oh, I know. It's actually so sad. We've had him. We got, I mean, like all normal people we met. A week later, we moved in together. Like three weeks later, we got a dog. We met Grace's job. We started working together. A month later, we were engaged. Super sensible timeline anyways. But Austin, our dog, he's a Cocker Spaniel. He is now 11 and a half. And he's just like, it's really sad. He's morbidly obese. I was just saying before we started recording. He's like, he is the greed. He's a Spaniel and Spaniels are kind of famously greedy, but he takes it to like another level. I mean, there was a moment in which he ate, it was awful.

5:09He was absolutely fine, but he ate loads of rat poison. And it was like one o 'clock in the morning. It was a really, really bad time. Matt's mom had just been diagnosed with brain cancer. We had just tried to move into a house. We'd done renovation on it and found a colony of rats, a whole colony, like over 25 rats living in the property. It was really bad. Boston then went out onto this little terrace and ate rat poison and I remember calling the vet and they're like oh dogs don't eat that and I'm like my dog would like trust me he would anyway he had luckily we got down time it was all good but anyway basically I've just like stopped really trying to control him not eating everything inside because I just feel a bit like it's the end of his life he should live well but he has a heart condition and he's yeah as he said he's kind of blind he's kind of deaf I think he has like three teeth left at this point it's just he is really sad anyway so just treating him gently oh just a bit sorry I'm not laughing because I am like a really bad person it's just when you describe him it's like having three teeth and like do you know what I do um I think when I get really sad or nervous my defense mechanism sometimes is to laugh about things because I think that's normal it's normal right it's how we cope Ella do you want to tell everyone because I've got this stonking cold.

6:20I've been very run down everyone and basically doing too much, which I'm sure you all knew anyway. So I'm going to let Ella read us what's coming up in today's show. She has been doing so much, guys. She is an absolute wonder woman. Okay. We're going to be talking about the blood type diet. I'm so excited to talk about this. This has been a long standing, maybe one of wellness's most long standing biggest myths. The surprising truth about plant protein, complete proteins. We had lots of questions on that. So we're going to break that down. Why herbs need much more attention. I'm excited about that one.

6:50101 and what our farts tell us. I love that little toilet humor for today, guys. And then lots of other nutrition questions that you have for us. We are also going to, oh, we have so many recommendations. I've got a ridiculous recommendation and eating my own words. And we're going to talk about our challenges. Exactly. It is an absolute stonker of a show. It's going to be fantastic. Now, first of all, Ella, you mentioned at the start, you have tons of recommendations for us today. We've got lots from you as well listening. Thank you. Let's reel them off, Ella. Okay. So basically, do you remember we obviously waxed lyrical about how obsessed we were with off campus.

7:27And then this is so funny because Matt was like, wait, is it really that good? Do I need to watch it? And I was like, it's actually that good. I think you would actually love it. Like, you know, really good kind of romance series show, like everyone loves them anyway. And he was like, yeah, but do you want to watch it again? I was like, yeah. So, so I'm quite as old campers around too, but basically I told you when I finished it, I was kind of gutted and I Googled like, what should I watch next? And the show that kept coming up was Maxton Hall. And I told you, I watched two episodes. I was like, this is the worst show I've ever seen.

7:57Then Matt was away and I was like, didn't have anything to do. And I was about to, we were talking about it on Monday. It was that pre-period moment of just like wanting terrible TV and chocolate. Started of watching it again and I am now almost finished season two. So I have to just like admit and eat my words. It's still, I'm going to say one of the worst things I've ever seen, but it's become good bad. And it's like, I'm embarrassed about how invested I am. It really is. I'm sorry if you like it. I honestly think it's one of the worst things I've ever seen in the sense of it's like the worst, it's the most cliched TV show.

8:31It's like, um, billionaire's son. He's really arrogant, falls for the scholarship girl and she's the only person who can see the true self. I mean, every cliche you can imagine, it's there. And the dubbing is awful. But I'm basically, I just can't start watching it. I like, I've got two episodes left and all I need is everyone to go to bed tonight so I can stay up till midnight and finish it. Oh my goodness. So I nearly WhatsApped you last night to be like, if you need sharing her, start watching it. Just post it. It's so bad but it gets so bad that it's good okay I also don't think the characters have any chemistry you're selling it to us I've got to be honest I'm not enticed to go and spend my time I also think like just save yourself but also watch it anyway I really want to know if anyone else is in the same boat but Alicia our listener I think is going to save me from myself here because she emailed in with recommendations or having said I need a new show because I can't watch Max and Hall because it so bad.

9:32She said, Heated Rivalry. Everyone's obsessed with Heated Rivalry. So she actually had in brackets, OMG. So get it on the list. Every year after, I haven't heard of that one. So I'm really excited. She also recommended Little House on the Prairie. I'm watching that. I'm loving that. Definitely second that recommendation. Then she said of Older Series, 1923. I've never seen that. Getting on my list. This Is Us. Oh my gosh. I just think that's one of the best things ever. Firefly Lane haven't seen that Anne with an E I love Anne with an E because it's based on Anne of Green Gables I believe from memory I loved it I need all of these shows I'm so excited okay Daisy Jones and the Six I loved that one I really agree with that and then Fleabag I actually was like mixed on Fleabag Fleabag had really rave reviews I remember and nominations and all sorts of things so thank you everybody for your recommendations we have lots to get cracking with okay Rhi I think you have a recommendation for us though, right?

10:30I do. And I have started, thanks to my friend, Melissa, I have started the Throne of Glass series now. So you're really doing all the fantasy series and you are going to be like the expert. Do you know what's funny is when we were in Greece, I was sat by the pool and I had this book and the waitress came up to me and she said, Oh, this is the best series ever. It's the best one I connected with. She sent me all the free audio books that she had downloaded as well. So when I don't have time to read, she said, give me your email. I'm going to send you all of them. She said, you have to combi read this one and this one and number four and number seven.

11:03And you've got to start number three with number one. Apparently, there is an entire way of reading these books. I am starting just from number one. It's a series by Sarah J. Maas. And it's very different to the A Court of Fauna Roses, ACOTAR type series. But I was hooked from page two. I mean, ACOTAR took me ages to get into this one, Ella. straight into it. It's not a romanticy in that way so far. It's more just a bit more action packed, but it's very girl power from day one, which I love. Oh, I love it. Okay. At the end, you have to tell us which one to do because I've never read any of these.

11:40Okay. No, I don't know if you will. I mean, I feel like you should, but I don't know. I feel like you're good. We've got two sides of the book recs coming here and I feel we've got a good balance. well I'm really leading on the terrible tv show recs then oh no I have one other terrible tv show for you all oh good perfect I need it right well you say it's terrible anyone in the UK and maybe in the states would know of Katie Price yeah she's just released her new uh documentary series on Sky which you can watch if you have a now tv subscription as well and she is very open honest What's it on? It's on her entire life.

12:19And she, including the people she's dated. So she, headlines that used to crop up in the press about her and Gareth Gates and different individuals. They interview Gareth Gates and they interview Katie. They interview her children about their opinion on their mom and the life. And Peter Andre is the only one that declined comment. All of her exes are on it. It is just, she is a character and I have huge respect for her. She's just said, you know, I've monetized my whole life. this was her exact phrase I've monetized my whole life it's all I've known why would I not keep doing it that's what she said but you know what she is if you don't know her this kind of very famous glamour model from the UK who's had a very headline heavy life a lot of very high profile relationships and then it all sort of trauma a lot yeah fell apart and it's been quite tragic Like there's a very interesting episode with her on how to fail.

13:14Elizabeth Day's podcast where she talks about, because she's also famously had an extraordinary number, particularly of boob jobs and ended up at, you know, some of the biggest boobs in the whole wide world sort of thing. And she's so interesting talking about body dysmorphia, her relationship with herself and her body, her confidence. I have to say like, don't follow her. Don't know a huge amount about her, but I. It's a good watch, Ella. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. She's an absolutely fascinating individual. But we also have on a different note, your feedback on our challenges. Yes. So if you missed the episode, basically a month or so ago now, we were just talking about how neither of us probably want to run a marathon like the idea of it, but probably just not for us or at this stage in our lives.

14:00But that we like the idea of doing a collective challenge with you guys and collectively raising money for causes that's important to everybody who listens. We had so many great recommendations from you all. So thank you. If you still have any that you want to add on, please get in touch. Hello at wellness-scoop.com. Obviously email us with your questions and general thoughts, recommendations, et cetera, as well there. But a couple that we wanted to pick up on that we thought were interesting. The one that I don't want to say favorite, the one that I felt really excited about came from Jenny, which is the Macmillan Cancer Charity Mighty Hikes series, where they organize series of hikes, whether it's the Peak District or the Jurassic Coast to raise money for Macmillan, which I think could be amazing for us to do together.

14:50I was really excited about that one. Thank you, Jenny. Amy had a great suggestion as well, which is that the Royal Marsden hosts a fundraising event called the Barn and Marsden Walk, March, sorry, and then participants walk 15 miles from the Royal Marston in Chelsea to their hospital in Sutton and you can do that as a team so I think that's also really really interesting Lottie let us know that you can do something called an ultra challenge and she had the best experience doing it they hold events around the country different distances like 10 25 50 kilometers 100 kilometers probably a little bit too much for us on that end but that's really interesting she did an ultra march where you had to walk, run or jog 50 kilometers in under 12 hours.

15:32So sounds a bit, maybe a bit too much of a challenge, but really interesting one for us to look into. Also, a few of you recommended the Moonwalk, which is an amazing event in May to raise money for breast cancer and other cancer research where you do either a 10K, a half marathon or a full marathon during the night in London. And then lots of other great recommendations, a dance-a-thon, walking the Thames path, getting athletic track for 24 hours and having teams so loads and loads of ideas but let us know which of those maybe you would like to take part in if we were going to do this as a collective yeah because we're aware that obviously different locations are more feasible for some than others and we try and obviously do this perhaps multiple times in that instance as well if it goes well of course we've also had the Norfolk coastal walk suggested there are lots of them here so let us know.

16:21Ella, our first question today is from Kaylee. It is. Hi, Kaylee. She has said, thank you so much for creating this space with real health and wellness advice. It's so refreshing. Thank you. I was wondering if you could talk about the blood type diet and if there's any truth to it at all. I heard it's a fad and there's not much evidence to back it up. But more recently, I've seen a few influencers jump on it and talk about it. Thanks, guys. This is so interesting because I remember hearing about this like 15 years ago even. I think this is a very longstanding, Taya. So I've got the stats here for you.

16:54The concept was popularized back in 1996 by a book called Eat Right for Your Type by Peter Adamo. For me, it brings back really haunting memories, Alice. So I was in quite a toxic, I don't discuss it publicly ever, but really poor relationship when I was a singer, when I was like 18, 17. And the boyfriend I had, who's at the Royal Academy of Music at the time, he was a violinist and he used to say I had to eat for my blood. And I remember thinking this is the most bizarre thing ever. I wasn't in the nutrition world. This was a long time ago, a long, long time ago we're talking now. And it's almost come back to haunt me.

17:35I cannot believe this is popping up again. The theory suggests that your ABO blood type determines which foods you're genetically designed to eat. For example, people with type O were encouraged to eat a high protein meat heavy diet. Yeah, they were known as hunters. Yes. And type A was better suited to a vegetarian diet. Now, the problem is that, you know, we're talking like 30 years later now, we still don't have good scientific evidence that blood type dictates what you eat. And it actually doesn't largely make any sense when you think at the biology of the human body, which I can delve into.

18:10But one of the biggest reviews we have published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in 2013, looked at all the evidence available and concluded that there just wasn't anything to match with blood type. And it was looked at again, Ella, probably when it resurfaced, when you remember it resurfacing in 2014, researchers at the Uni of Toronto analysed over 1 ,400 adults. They did find some improvements in markers like cholesterol blood pressure, but those came from the overall quality of the diet itself, not anything to do with whether you're a type A, B, AB or O blood type. So I find it really worrying when I see these types of things resurface.

18:52And also it just cannot possibly be true. Lots of people don't even know their blood type. Let's just start with that. I think there's one thing as well, which we often say, but always worth saying again, which is that, you know, the very small amount of research that is out there to show some, I mean, and I'm saying it's very, very small that, you know, for example, in 2014, there was a study of just shy of 1500 people that were eating a type A diet, fruits and vegetables and had some better health markers. But first of all, that was seen in everybody following the type A diet, not just people with type A, but that's because they were eating fruits and vegetables, not UPFs.

19:30so I think the same thing comes back again it's like if you move people onto a green Mediterranean diet or a type a blood diet or you put them on to even like a you know a kind of balanced paleo diet you're probably going to see really good improvements because you're going away from the standard western diet which is really bad for us and you're following a set of rules like Ella said on Monday she said you know sometimes because we don't know how to eat intuitively when you do something for a short period of time that's very rigid um you'll you'll see results quickly yeah Yeah. And instead of eating kind of a sandwich on the go and a meal deal, you're having a salad and whether it has chickpeas or chicken in it, you're going to see improvement if that's your lunch versus something kind of grab and go very, very likely.

20:14Interestingly, type A, which was known as the agrarian, is thriving apparently, not evidence-based, on a mostly veggie diet. Type B, nomadic, thrives on a high dairy diet. Type AB, the enigma, thrives on a mixture of the two. So high dairy, mostly vegetarian, and type O, the hunter, supposedly the oldest blood type, high animal diet. But as you said, really, like there's just no, there's no data here. But, you know, sometimes I also think, look, if it helps you move away from a standard Western entire this isn't one way i look at and i'm like oh my god this is so dangerous and crazy i find it interesting because it varies to telling you whether you should be an omnivore or a vegetarian which is ultimately a choice for an individual it's ethical sustainable choice it shouldn't be dictated on what type of blood you have because there is no evidence it's like we have a right to choose i also have no idea what my blood type is either do you see what i mean and i only know recently because of pregnancy you get tested in hospital but some blood types are more common than others.

21:17So some are universally more widely available for blood donors. For instance, the reason we need more blood donors in the UK in particular is to fill up blood banks because of these other types of rarer bloods when transfusions are needed in hospital, all sorts of things. So this is, I actually, when I saw it, I just could not believe the fact this is resurfacing. Like I said, haunting memories for me. It's very odd. Yeah. But as we said, I think it's this coming back to it works really well on social media because as I said if you're moving from a San Western diet to that you're gonna see results for sure and it has rules and guidelines and that's quite a good story to tell so I'm not surprised okay we had a very quick question to follow that up from Sunila who said I'm in post-wedding blues territory well congratulations on your wedding I just wondered whether the wedding people book that Ella recommended would boost me following the special date or make me feel even more sad that the best day of my life is over oh Ella what What do you think?

22:15Oh, I'm so glad your wedding was so good. So yeah, congratulations. First and foremost, no, honestly, if anyone needs a good book this summer and hasn't read The Wedding People, I think it makes everyone feel good. It's not really, the wedding is just the setting of the plot. It's not, like it definitely won't make you feel sad that your wedding's over. It's just a really fun and good read.

22:41Our next question, is an anonymous one, but it's related to flaxseed. We're getting a lot of these recently. I really feel like it's caused quite a stir. Yeah. Do you know what? I think it's one of those things when you start talking about it, people are like, wait, but what about this? But what about that? What about the next thing? And that seems to happen with flaxseed. I can't quite get over it. Remember, like I always say, everybody, as long as you're getting it in, that's what counts. You know, we're just discussing nitty gritty because we can on the podcast. So this question says, I know it's a great source of fibre and plant-based amigas.

23:11I also understand that ground flaxseed may be better for nutrient absorption. However, I've read that flaxseed can have a short shelf life after being ground and essentially go stale. Is this true? Is shop brought ground flaxseed a waste of money, even if it's convenient to add to porridge to other meals? Ella? Is it? No. But I was hoping on your feedback here, because you know what it's like in the manufacturing world with looking at shelf life when you pick a product, because some foods will naturally have a shorter shelf life than others. yes they will exactly and that all gets a little bit confusing it's also about the packaging type you use and like how well sealed it is i mean a good example of this is like making an um when we're making energy pools for example same ingredients you'd make at home say it's like almonds almond butter salt cacao powder dates but obviously when you then package them and you seal them it's completely airtight so they're going to last longer than they're going to do in a little Tupperware at home, they'll still last a long time, but they won't last quite as long because Tupperware is not as airtight as kind of industrial packaging is, which is interesting.

24:19But I don't really know when it comes to flaxseed because obviously whilst they'll be in an airtight container, they're not in the fridge and it is a long time to shelf life. So I think it is an interesting question. It is an interesting question, but the airtight aspect is what prevents oxidation. So as long as they're in the packet, they're fine. It's only once you open the packet that is relevant. Once you open the packet, it's almost like looking at when we discuss frozen fruits. You know how when you pick them, they're going to be in the punnet for a little bit before they reach the freezer and then they retain the nutrients.

24:50So I think this is a classic example of we can panic too much. Things don't go stale within an hour. You know, it does take time and we can't nitpick at life to this degree of perfection sometimes. But, you know, it's true that grinding flaxseed does significantly improve the bioavailability of the omega-3s. You know, plant-based omega-3s are really delicate and the concern around storage that's why the research suggests that refrigeration once you open the pack slows the process considerably of oxidation and keeps these healthy fats stable rather than at room temperature you almost need that refrigerated airtight element as well just to keep the omega-3s stable and honestly this doesn't mean you're not getting any benefits if you're not keeping it in the fridge you just need to consume the pack at a faster rate than you probably would otherwise.

25:40But again, like I said on Monday, I'm doing a seed cycling post soon and maybe I'm going to add this onto it as well now. I'm thinking there's just so many questions on seeds, but I would rather you add them even just for the fiber as well. But use your common sense here. If you notice a bitter kind of like rancid smell, it's definitely time to replace your flax seed. So try and buy smaller packs if you don't keep it in the fridge rather than the bulk by the massive ones I know that might cost a bit more but it means you'll get through it before it starts to um decline I know those bags are always too big like yeah this is just a minor in the fridge and I use it every day I mix my little recipe for flaxseed it's not really a recipe I post it once before it's got like 30 grams of protein fiber you just you'd mix the flaxseed with your greek yogurt so 20 grams is a portion you mix it in with your greek yogurt add a bit of almond milk or coconut milk whatever you want together then you add your berries and your um oats and chia seeds and it's kind of like a delicious um almost like a chia pudding but flaxseed type of thing you can sweeten it of course add a bit of jam or honey or whatever you fancy but yeah we move on from flaxseeds to our question from sophie about fiber sodas so i really feel like we've created a bit of a um we've opened a can of worms, Ella.

26:59You didn't make me laugh, Sophie. It just made me laugh. Like this, as we said, we've been saying for a while, we're going to see this fiber explosion. Suddenly it's going to be everywhere. And I think suddenly it is everywhere. And actually when I Googled to get the M &S drink that you were talking about, Sophie, and look at the ingredients and the product, oh my gosh, there's so many fiber drinks now available in the UK, which yeah, it's super interesting. But Sophie has said, love the pod. I'm intrigued by fiber sodas. They just don't make sense to me. they seem like brands are just jumping on the fiber trend exactly that my colleague has been told by a doctor to eat more fiber she's now drinking one of these drinks daily at lunchtime i was in m &s recently during the heat wave and needed a cold drink so i thought i'd try it that one tasted just like pink lemonade as described but claimed to have 7.9 grams of fiber in it she's trying to increase her fiber intake and she says to me fiber comes from roughage how could a sparkling liquid contain it?

27:54And are these actually healthy? I think we're going to have a lot of questions about this. So I got up the drink. It's called Pop Marks. Really nice branding, I've got to say. And you're absolutely right. It does contain seven grams of fiber, which is a lot. And basically this one, for example, is water. It's great juice from concentrate. It's their fiber blend of cassava root fiber, Jerusalem artichoke fiber, and acacia fiber, pineapple juice, lemon juice from concentrate, pink grapefruit juice from concentrate, carbon dioxide and natural flavorings and concentrated safflower and concentrated lemon.

28:29I mean, look, compared to a Coca-Cola, like that is a lot better, I think. Fair to say. And so I think if you really like, that's one of the best ones I've seen. I think we all kind of collectively agree. I'm not doing a really good job at the moment. And that is definitely one of the better things in this space I have seen. And it doesn't have all the sweeteners. So it kind of can make anyone with a slightly sensitive stomach not feel great like i think that's as good as ingredient deck as you're ever going to get in these things i have to say do you know what drink i got the other day not a fiber one is i never know if i can celebrate but is it belvoir oh do you know what i learned because i did a job with them on for that i'm saying the name wrong aren't i it's beaver but you'd never know i know it's a big shock belvoir but it's beaver they have a sparkling lemonade in cans that has a really good ingredient deck.

29:17It was the best ingredient deck I've ever seen. Anyway, we were out at this place called Bowood, which Rhi told me about. Anyway, best adventure playground of all times. But I got it there and that was the best drink like this I have seen in a really, really long time. Anyway, that M &S one, the ingredients are pretty good. If you normally drink Coca-Cola, like that is a better option for sure. I would say, what do you think, Rhi? Well, the question is on the research on what specific strains of fiber are used that actually interact with our gut bugs. So the question is, yes, it might be increasing your overall fiber intake for the day.

29:51However, what are the actual benefits of consuming the specific strain, for instance? So we know that inulin from chicory root actually in itself, some of it potentially can be fermentable by gut microbes. There's some studies that have shown that inulin can increase beneficial bacteria that is known as bifida bacteria, which is one of the most researched bacterial strains that you often find in yogurts alongside lactobacillus. But the important bit is not all fibres created equal. And I just want to reiterate, you know, that fibre in whole foods also comes with, you know, the vitamins, polyphenols, the other areas.