Session 108: Nick Jonas

29:21Seattle. That was fishing, right? Seattle. It was just because. It's a good vibe. It was, the crowd was great. And my favorite is when I can riff with the crowd. And like, and feel, I just felt very confident. And like. Love that. In like my humor and my, all my jokes were landing. And it was just, it was the best. Everyone was so, so happy. And we went fishing and got sushi after that. And it was just great. Where do you think your sense of humor comes from? Like, what's the source of it? or where did it come from? I think I'm very self-deprecating. Yeah. So I think it's a defense mechanism almost against somebody making a comment.

30:01Like, have you ever seen the show Girls? I have not, admittedly. Sorry. No, it's okay. You have to. Okay. I have a lot of fights coming up, so I'll put it on my to-do list. Quantico Girls. It's, so Hannah, Lena Dunham, has this line where she says, Like anything bad you could say about me, I've said to myself 10 times within the last hour already. And so I think that a lot of my humor is like kind of getting to the joke first before anyone else can because I'm so scared of someone like making fun of me. Like I have this quote above my bed that Manny who's out there painted for me. and it's a quote, I forget who said it, but it says, if you slip on a banana peel, if you slip on a banana peel, people will laugh at you.

30:50But if you tell people you slipped on a banana peel, it's your laugh. That's good. And so that's, I think, where my humor is from. And also, I don't know, I'm like miserable and anxious and just like, you know, like. I think, yeah, it's interesting because you have a very good sense of humor and your style of comedy, like going back to the first couple of videos I saw of yours, I was like, this is a very smart person because you have to be smart to write those bits and to do them well. I should hang out with you all the time. I'm not trying to gas you out. I'm just saying it shows. Thank you. And the fact that it's from a place of saying, I'm going to make the joke before someone else can, It makes a lot of sense based on how you construct your comedy.

31:46But you're very funny. Thank you. And you are a very good singer, actor. Thank you. And all of it. I also think I base it a lot in my friend group. You can see that. A lot of it's very imitations. I grew up around a lot of women. All my best friends are girls. and like it's like very, if you get it, you like, you really get it. Like it's very like girl humor, I would say. Love that. Yeah. I did want to ask you about the Send It On video. Mm-hmm. What about it? Do you feel like that was kind of we are the world for children? In some ways it was. I mean, here's the reality. But at the core of it, the whole Friends for Change movement, I think, was a really responsible and good thing that Disney did.

32:37What was that movement? It was about being kinder to planet Earth. Oh, girl, we have not accomplished that. We have not accomplished that. And so that sentiment, I think, was really solid. there was a lot of initiatives like waste in the oceans and recycling all these things that are good in practice, in principle but it was slightly like, it was a lot yeah but did you have fun filming or was it so stressful there's a BTS of the We Are The World am I correct, there's a beyond the scenes of the night Lionel Richie, yeah there's a There's a movie about it. It was like the most stressful night ever.

33:24So was it stressful for you guys? Did you send it on? Aspects of it. Because it was all of, like the big one was like all of the talent across all of the shows. And anytime all of us were together, it was like, it was just a lot of energy. Everyone, you know. We get a bunch of teenagers. So it was not stressful in the way of like, are we going to get this right? we were just you know go stand over there deliver your line or sing your thing and there was like so many liners though like what do you mean if you want the back yeah I do I do so we do these like they were called like content days or something where basically all the talent would come in and it would be the the wand thing yes that and then they would then you would do like all these liners for like different territories oh you know you know what I used to when I worked at a record label I would make artists do these yeah Yeah.

34:18But these are on camera and it's like every territory across all the Disney channels all over the world and then also like some of these initiatives that were a part of the Disney channel thing. And that part always like, you know, reading off a teleprompter, like to your point about it feeling exhausting play shows, you love it, but it is like, it's a lot of energy. That would always kind of get me is like the having to read off a prompter for hours and be like, oh my gosh, this is insane. Do you remember, can you do one? Down the barrel? Yeah. Hey, I'm Nick Jonas and you're watching Disney Channel.

34:49Be sure to check out a new episode of Zach and Cody coming this spring. That kind of stuff. Okay, but what about for a different country? Hey, Denmark, it's Nick Jonas here. Okay, cool. Just, I wanted, like, full context. Sorry, I just, like, triggered you, literally. Yeah. But it's okay. I'm so sorry. It's fine. I'm going to survive.

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36:57Before we were on Disney Channel, DCOMs, as it was. Of course. We would watch all the classics. And there were some amazing ones. You know, Johnny Tsunami was a good one. What's your favorite movie of all time? Ooh, Good Will Hunting. It's probably my favorite movie of all time. Oh, did you see Good Will Duncan last night? I didn't see it. I heard about it. Is it good? What was your favorite ad? My favorite ad? Oh, everybody. Yeah, the T-Mobile one. But then, no, it was crypto. Coinbase crypto now. Oh, okay. Gosh. Now I feel bad, you know? Yeah. But, yeah, it was cool. You going to do a Super Bowl commercial next year?

37:36Ideally. Did you guys do one this year? No. I did Poppy last year. Yeah. Have you guys ever done? I'm sure you've done one before. I have, yeah. Which for who? The brothers haven't. I have. Ooh. Well, I have a partnership with Dexcom, which is a continuous glu-close monitor that I wear. I'm a type 1 diabetic. So I have my Dexcom on here. And I did. It's really cool. We did actually two Super Bowl campaigns. and it was amazing to bring something like diabetes onto a stage that big and talk about a thing that really is quite life-changing for me and so many people living with type 1 and type 2. So that was cool.

38:13Then I did a Toyota commercial, which was fun. Two different things. Very different things. Yes. The Toyota commercial was a good concept. It was, you know, keeping up with the Joneses and I appeared like, Jonas? It was very funny. Oh, that's very clever. They're very clever with those. They are. When you started openly talking about diabetes, did people come up to you in the street and say, like, thank you? Well, I was diagnosed when I was 13. Right. And we had just really started touring and stuff. And I knew pretty quickly that I wanted to speak openly about it because when I was in the hospital newly diagnosed, there really wasn't somebody that the nurses or doctors could be like, hey, this person is living with this disease and they're doing just fine.

38:53And so I was kind of like if whatever platform I have at whatever stage, I'm just going to speak about this because there might be somebody, another 13-year-old kid in the hospital who needs a little, you know, encouragement that they're going to be okay. And so, yeah, I've spoken about it forever basically. And I've met some amazing people by being open about it. That's beautiful. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. I feel like I know quite a few people with diabetes. Yeah. Sorry. That was so awkward. I say that. I mean, a lot of people have it. My friend Tucker has it, you know, role model. Oh, yeah. He is amazing.

39:31I met him in Vegas briefly. Oh, my God. Yeah, you did. Yeah. You should be Sally. Yeah, I should be. You should be. This is my formal offer? No. I'm throwing my name in there. Yes. Do you know how Sally started and stuff? No. No idea. You're just like All of a sudden it appeared Yeah what Are you lying I genuinely don't I don't know Okay Is it you It was me You're the first Sally Yeah I was the first Sally Well this is like How I react when people Are like Bringing your name up And I'm like Do you know that I actually Was the first person to like Engage with him on social You don't say that Do you really I take full credit Wait why am I so honored If that's gotten back to you I hope you're not offended No I'm so honored I'm not saying that like I'm the I never say that.

40:23I just say that, you know. No, no. You were the first. That, that, that, you were my first. That week in New York, I went to New York, I think literally with the sole purpose of making that video with you guys. Yeah. At Fallon. Yes, at Fallon. That was great. Hi, Memory King. What's so funny is I was in London at the time. Priyanka was shooting Citadel there and I was like. I've heard that's great. It's great. You should check it out. Next season's coming out soon. Her new movie's amazing. comes out I'm going to point at you that was really aggressive no what's her new movie you must watch it it's called The Bluff it's on Amazon Prime it comes out on the 24th I believe what's it about she plays a a pirate like warrior it's a badass revenge story it's so good it's set in like the 17 late 1700s anyway I was with her in London and I had just gotten there a few days before so I was still jet lagged I was like up till 4 or 5 in the morning every night just scrolling and then I came across your video and I sort of made the response in somewhat of like a delirious state because I was up at four in the morning and uh yeah it was crazy how much people loved it I mean I woke up with pure joy and excitement that Nick Jonas do out of my video it's so great yeah that was that was thank you thank you thank you it's not I did just a very very small small part of the Ascension story?

41:49Well, to me, it's one of the biggest. I talk about it all the time. Like, yeah, that first week in New York. And then I went to go to your SNL after party. You guys performed on SNL. That was fun. Yeah. You know, my favorite song off that album is, I think it's called Montana Skies. Yeah, oh, cool. Thanks. Yeah. John Belion. Great. Icon. He's made one of my favorite songs of all time, Ghost by Justin Bieber. It's really good, that song. Oh, so good. Did you work with him on this new album? I didn't work with him on this new album, but I certainly will again on something. He's the best. Who did you work with on this album?

42:22So, J.P. Sacks basically posted this video a while back that was very honest and kind of vulnerable. It was about his tour and having to not do it because of some factors. And basically, I was like, wow, he was so candid and it really spoke to me. And I reached out and said, hey, do you want to come out and be the special guest at our show in Toronto know where he's from and he said yes and he came out and absolutely killed it and then basically I was like look I'm doing a writing camp in a couple weeks love for you to join and so he was really I think the anchor to the project helping me kind of bring it all to life and say what I wanted to say and then there was a bunch of other collaborators Paris Carney who's very good friend of mine also a huge part of the songwriting aspects of this and Brian Daly, blush, Josette, uh, Jeff Giddey, Dwayne Whitmore.

43:15It was an amazing group of people, um, who really gave me the freedom to, to speak, you know, honestly. And, and I think because it was friends, I was able to just kind of relax and take the guard down a little bit and just, just be real. And just sometimes you approach like writing a song and you're thinking about all the ways in which it'll be commercial or it'll find its audience. Uh, if it'll trend on TikTok. I mean, all these things are a part of the creative process, whether you like it or not. But I really wanted to just strip all that away and say, what feels right here? And what am I, what am I actually trying to say?

43:52Now, look, I hope one of them becomes a hit. That would be great. But it's kind of more important at this stage for me to just say the most real thing. I loved gut punch. Thank you. Can you explain to me the beginning, you're talking about your hair falling out and then not falling out. What is the significance behind that? I went to the studio that day and I was talking to my co-writers, Blush, Gassette, Ryan Daly. I was like, literally like this. I'm having my coffee kind of start of the day and I was retelling them about how earlier that morning I was like, I think my hair stopped growing. They're like, what do you mean?

44:30I was like, well, it's not falling out, but it's reached its maximum length and it just doesn't grow any longer than that. They're like, that's not possible. I'm like, I don't know. And then I got reflective about it. And not to get too artist-y, whatever. No, artist-y. I was like, maybe it's me. Maybe I'm not growing. And the metaphor became important enough to be like, that's a song. And that literally became the verse. And then when we got to the gut punch part, it was just about kind of the ways in which we all beat ourselves up. and stress about, oh, are people thinking about that thing I said last night?

45:10I feel like I'm misunderstood. Am I being a thoughtful and responsible friend, husband, father? All these questions. And one of the things I think is important about gut punch, which is why I wanted to put it out first, is that it is specific to my experience, but I think it's the most universal theme and concept. You don't have to have lived my experience to relate to this. And also I feel like, you know, I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth ever, but some people might look at me in my life and say, oh, he doesn't ever think like that. But that's just not the case. I mean, we all deal with some level of self-doubt or, you know, even ways in which we speak to ourself that are unkind at times.

45:55And it was really gratifying for me to make a song that speaks about that. Yeah, I thought it was super beautiful. It reminded me of when I was journaling the other day, and I was just writing all these horrible things about myself down. Why? Because I crashed out for like, how many, how long would you give it, Louise? What? Three weeks? Any longer? I thought shorter. I thought it was one week. I'm sorry that happened. No, it's okay. It's okay. But I wrote like, oink, oink, oink, piggy. well I mean I would encourage you unsolicited think positive no I know I know it's important to get those things out sometimes I got it out to get it out and then leave it behind and if you you know sometimes you just have to say a thing it doesn't mean it's true it doesn't make it true because you've said it you know who you are you know what your heart is and you know I'm sorry that rejection happened but but you know what it's all good I found out the other day that it was well worth it.

46:59I'll tell you after. It's actually a really exciting story. Oh, boy. You don't give two shits. I'm excited to hear. What was I going to ask you? Oh, Lovebug. The chord change in Lovebug when it goes, like, hard. Yeah. How did that happen? The first verse, second chorus, and second verse, second chorus, before the big change at the end. I wrote in a hotel room in New York City. And I basically had it ending with the just, love bug again, chorus, without it doing the big epic guitar solo thing. But when Kevin and Joe heard it, they wanted to ramp that part up, and we all contributed to that sort of piece of the puzzle, which I think makes it a really special and powerful moment live.

47:47It's the best song of all time. So I'm so proud of that one. I think it's the quintessential Jonas Brothers song. That's what you think is the quintessential... that's what you think is the quintessential Jonas Brothers song? Love Bug? I think so, yeah. That would be my quintessential one. It takes you on a journey. Musically, it's really representative of our sound. And I think playing it now, so many years later, is even more exciting and powerful than even when it was back then. Wow. I did not know. I could have thought you would have said year 3000. Well, what's funny is Year 3000 is a cover.

48:29It's not even our song originally. We didn't write it. A lot of people don't know this. Including me. Yeah, so there's a band called Busted. They are amazing guys. Totally. And had their first kind of big record and break in the early 2000s. But this song that was massive over in the UK didn't really transition over here to the US. or it didn't chart here in the U.S. So our label exec, David Massey, who signed us and was the best guy ever, he was like, I have this idea. What if we cut this record and release it in the U.S.? So we did. And it was wild. I mean, a brilliant move on his part to find that, pair it with us.

49:14And obviously Busted had to approve it because for a long time we had all these people being like, from the U.K., they stole the songs. Like, you can't steal a song. That's not how it works. You have to get approval or you get sued. And so they were kind enough to let us take the song and run. We've now performed it together a bunch of times. But it's still together. They're still together. They're on tour right now or just finished up one. What is your favorite, speaking of covers, what is your favorite musical cover of all time? It's kind of a double. It's a bizarre one. But Dolly Parton wrote, I will always love you.

49:52so she wrote that Whitney Houston made it popular ah but then Dolly Parton released her own version of it I believe or it's the other way around anyway that's your fave Whitney and Dolly both kind of covered I don't know how to explain it but the math's not nothing in my brain either but yeah that's the best one wow I think my favorite it's kind of random Drake did a cover of Nico's These Days I've never heard that it is just simply have you ever heard it oh my god it's amazing i first of all i love the song these days and his cover of it is just outstanding i am very very excited to announce a new sponsor of therapist which is d-pop i love d-pop everyone loves d-pop my best friends in the entire world use d-pop like religiously.

50:44It is the best place I feel like to find secondhand and resale fashion. Like, I mean, what I specifically use it for, and as you can see, is I like finding like vintage artists or like merch on there. I love merch. More than, merch is like my favorite thing in the entire world. Like, I love like, I don't know if it's like the feeling of exclusivity or what, I don't know what it is, but I love merch. and more specifically, I love vintage merch. So I always, always, always go to Depop to find that vintage merch because somebody is always selling like an old concert t-shirt or like an old poster.

51:20So I love Depop. I had Nick Jonas on today and I got this on Depop and I was going to wear it, but right before I got so nervous and I just, I was like, I can't, I can't, I can't because I was, but I'm wearing it now to announce this Depop partnership that I am so excited about. For the next guest though that I do this with, I am going to muster up the strength and courage to wear the merch. When I found out Nick was coming on, I like immediately went to Depop because if there's anything out there, I know there's some old Jonas Brothers merch. And I was correct. And I found this incredible t-shirt.

51:55And Manny also found a t-shirt. Manny, come here. Yes. Come sit. Grab the mic. My beautiful vintage shirt. Yes. Do you use Depop? I use Depop like every month. Do you ever sell clothes on Depop? I never have actually, but I know it's easy. I have friends that do it. My favorite part about Depop personally, not that you asked, but I'm going to tell you, is that they don't take seller fees. So like a bunch of other companies, like if you're selling your clothes, like they will take a cut of what you make, but Depop doesn't take anything. So it's like a literal virtual flea market, which I think is so cool.

52:29That is cool. Also, what I love about Depop is that like you really do like connect with people that share similar styles to you and style is such a personal thing. You really do talk to the person you're buying from, like, or that you're selling to. And it's just such a community. I just think it's so incredible. All of my best friends, including me, shop on Depop. Like, it is just so, you find pieces you would not find anywhere. You can just find, like, really, really unique items. And I just think it is just the perfect place for that. It really is because you can find stuff you literally can't find anywhere else.

53:00Also, what I think is amazing is that Depop is for everyone. Like, my best friend Julia uses it to find, like, these insane vintage pieces. But then I have friends with kids that once these kids grow out of these clothes, they want a place to sell them. So they'll sell them on Depop. Like it really is just such a community where everyone can. There's something for everyone. And I just think that's so amazing. For me, it's merch and like concert merch and artist merch. And like Louise uses it to find shoes. She like has a huge shoe collection and like loves finding vintage shoes on Depop. Also, it really helps you hone your own personal style because you're not being like told what to buy.

53:35You're not being like marketed certain items. Like you are on the hunt for what you want. Download the Depop app to start selling. Your first listing only takes a few minutes and there is somebody out there already searching for your style. Thank you again, Depop, for sponsoring today's episode. Stay tuned for all the other guests and the exciting items I find to accompany them. Who's your favorite artist of all time? Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift. Who's yours? Stevie Wonder, probably. I also love Bon Iver. Very cool. right very cool right every time I say that I'm always like and Bon Iver yeah because you know like everyone's like what are you listening to right now I'm like just the new Bon Iver record because I just feel like it makes me seem like in the scene it's like when you when you order like a fancy cocktail and you're like yeah I drink these all the time what's your favorite cocktail I keep it quite simple just do tequila with soda you seem like a tequila drinker yeah do I yeah you give that I'm giving tequila drinker yeah yeah that and then if I'm doing if I'm like doing a thing like I'm going to an event or I'm dressed up I love to have a dirty martini that's like me too about gin or vodka vodka okay you gin gin that's because you're a grown up yeah yeah I love a dirty martini the best dirty martini I used to like hate olives hate hate olives more than anything in the world then I went to this hotel in London called...

55:05How could you hate olives with a passion? I just found them quite disgusting. They're so good. It's my favorite thing. Are they really? I could eat a bowl of olives. But I have another friend. See how I said another friend? I have another friend who also hates olives and is passionate about it. I'm like, that is such a bizarre thing to be angry about. Can I tell you what it is? The texture doesn't match the taste. Did you ever drink beer? to seem cool sometimes. If I'm with a guy, he's having a beer. I'm like, okay. I'll get involved. I had this one friend who dropped two or three olives into a beer.

55:48The salty kind of thing with the beer. Yeah, I'd kill myself. I tried it one time. It's interesting. It's not bad, but it's not particularly good either. That's like giving ketchup on pizza. That's crazy to me. It's also crazy to me. I mean, but at least ketchup is still kind of tomato sauce. I used to hate cherry tomatoes. I love them now. What else did you used to hate that you now love? Oh, my God. Love that question. Cherry tomatoes, olives, still hate beets, cottage cheese. I used to like, uh-uh. You used to hate it. Now you love it. Well, I had never tried it because it just bugged me out so bad.

56:29Do you like Indian food? More than anything. My favorite Indian dish is paneer, which is basically cottage cheese cubes and some sort of sauce, right? And I have always hated cottage cheese. And then I had paneer, and I was like, this is the greatest thing. I was like, it's cottage cheese. Did you know that? I'm like, what? I've been lied to my entire life to myself. I don't think I've ever had paneer. I love birani, and I love, of course, chicken tiki masala. I love papadam. It's my favorite snack in the entire world With the chutney So satisfying And I haven't been able to find this anywhere There's this one place in New York Have you ever been to Swagat, New York?

57:09I have not Okay, it's on the Upper West Side It's one of my favorite Indian food in the entire world And they have this thing called pori Or pori And it's Pani pori Yeah, and it's like this bread And you pop it And it's like really hot It's got like a They're like this big? Or are you talking about a big one? No, the big, the big one Okay and I love lamb korma very nice I'm gonna have Indian food tonight from where? we ordered from a place called Laomarch shout out Laomarch okay it's in the valley please I need the recs because I it's so good and my wife approves she's obviously knows her stuff on the Indian food she approves of this place okay I would tell will you send this to me?

57:46yeah what's your favorite type of food? favorite type of food is number one spot would be Thai food now used to be Italian it's been taken over by Thai food You know what? I have to agree. It's so good. I have to agree. Mine is Thai and Japanese. Those two. Those two really do it for me. I agree. My order is Thai, Italian, Indian, Japanese, everything else. French. I don't know. Everything else. Yeah. I don't like French food. Really? What is French food? French fries. Those are good. I don't count. Come on. There's a place in the valley that will change your mind about this, I think. called? It's called Petite Trois.

58:30Oh, I've heard of Petite. Petite Trois. It's really good and it's a great environment in there. Uh-huh. But there's a dish called, do you like fish? Go for the dish first. Okay, it's called like a trout almondine or something. It's so good. It's like citrusy. Nope, God. Nope. Nope. Buttery? What? Like butter? Yes. Have you had the Dover sole at Giorgio Baldi? Yes. That is a fish I like. It's very good. Yeah. But I guess I do like this one French place. I don't know if it's Italian. Have you ever been to La Petite Maison? I have. That's my favorite restaurant in the entire world, despite it not being my favorite food category.

59:14Where is it? There's one in Cannes and there's one in London. It's very chic. I know. That's why I said it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like Bon Iver. Right? I'm so happy you had that reaction. Do you like Bon Iver? Yeah, I do. First of all, is your full name Nicholas? It is. Okay, cool, because I called you it within the first few minutes, and I've been thinking about it ever since, because I'm like, what if his full name isn't Nicholas? Because there's a lot of Jakes that aren't Jacob. You're Jake. Jacob. Jacob. Jacob Roscoe. You sound like a villain. That's a good name. It's not as good as Jake Shane.

59:48Of course. Yeah, that's a good name. Do you know Debbie Ryan?

59:55Um, I, yeah, not well, but we, we met many times and hung before. Her and I, we share a lot of similarities. How so? Um, have you ever seen her red carpet interviews? Oh yeah, I love those. Yeah. So we call those my Debbie moments. Right then and there, Debbie. Yeah, that's, that's fabulous. Yeah. She's, um, she's great. And, um, the one with the, uh, went to the Disney channel and that one is so good. Made history? Yeah, that's what we did. I love it. Was she Radio Rebel? Yeah. She was Radio Rebel queen. Shout out Debbie Ryan. She's awesome. Who do you keep in touch with from the Disney days?

1:00:35Some of the cast of Camp Rock come out for Jonas Con. What? Jonas Con. Tell me about Jonas Con. I think we actually tried to get you to come to Jonas Con. I think you did. I think I was on tour. Yeah, it was basically like... you know, what it sounds like, just a convention where it was all Jonas Brothers stuff to celebrate the 20 years. As a part of that, some of the Camp Rock cast came out, which was great, so keep in touch with them. But outside of that, not really anyone. Wow, it's like high school. Yeah, we've all, I mean, we've all grown up and kind of, everyone's found their own sort of path in life and journey, and it's beautiful to see it.

1:01:19Everyone seems to be doing, seems to be doing well. Tell me about Camp Rock 3. Camp Rock 3. What can you tell me about Camp Rock 3? It is, I can tell you a lot about it. I'm thrilled that it's happening because, you know, those two movies, Camp Rock 1 and 2, really meant a lot to a lot of people all over the world. And it was this incredible big Disney thing that we got to be a part of. And, you know, to then now pass the torch on to a new generation is really a special thing. And so the concept of the movie is basically that, I don't want to give too much away, but we lose our opening act for our big tour, the start of the movie, and then it's basically about the new generation.

1:02:05Oh, and you go to the camp to find? Yeah. It's so fun. So then it's all about them, and they basically take it over, and they're so talented, these kids, and it was so cool to see the spark at this early stage in their lives and careers and what it's going to become because they're going to be massive stars in a matter of no time. I'm really excited for a whole new generation of people to be introduced to this movie. Do these kids know who are starring in it? What Camp Rock 1 and 2 meant to us? I think they really do understand the gravity of it, the weight of it, and what it meant to this generation and what it will mean to the next as well.

1:02:53Yeah, that's beautiful. Are you watching any of the Oscar noms this year? Do you ever do like - I've watched, I think most of them. What's your fave so far? I thought One Battle After Another was excellent. I would love to work with Paul Thomas Anderson on something. Someday it'll be a dream. I thought that Timothee Chalamet was transcendent in Marty Supreme just an absolutely magnificent performance and so entertaining but also nuanced and just great I thought he was really good and then what else have I seen that I really loved? Have you seen Train Dreams? I have not seen that yet you have to watch Train Dreams is it really emotional?

1:03:41Am I going to cry and stuff? Well have you seen Hamnet? I have not seen that either. Okay. Because I was about to say it's less emotional than Hamnet, but it's pretty emotional. It's just, oh, you would love it. It's so good. It's really so good. I just know that, like, you know, I've been traveling a lot this month. It was on, like, three 14-plus-hour flights, and so I, like, had a lot of things I needed to watch. But when you're, like, away from your family and you're on a plane by yourself, it's like, you just end up getting so depressed if you watch a really sad movie. So I have to, like, space it out.

1:04:11What's the worst travel day you've ever had? Well, I've done now three trips from the U.S. or Canada to India. And how long is that flight? Three trips where I went and was on the ground for less than 12 hours and flew back. So in the course of 72 hours, I was on the plane in transit for longer than I was on the ground. It was rough. But what's a travel day that you're like... I'm really curious to know what... I'm about to blow this bitch up. Oh, yeah. Like where you're like, I am going to genuinely crash out. Like everything is going wrong. I have an answer to that. So I got on a plane. I was flying from LA to Texas.

1:05:01Something had just happened that had me really bummed out. I can't remember exactly what the thing was. So apparently it wasn't that big a deal. But I was really bummed out and I was traveling by myself. I was like 17 or 18, which is not something I often did because we, you know, most times we'd have like somebody travel with us for security or assistance, something like that. And I was just by myself. So I get on the plane. I'm already like bummed. I order a coffee and I go up to use the bathroom. And mind you, I'm wearing white pants on the plane, which is like a first mistake. So random. I come back to the bathroom.

1:05:36The coffee's there. and as I'm sitting down I like my jacket must have hit it or something and it fell into my seat the coffee yeah it fell into my seat and it was it was I was already in motion I was like here sitting down and it went ahead so then it was just in my like on my butt like soggy butt from this fucking coffee it was hot the coffee was hot and I was just like already so bummed and I remember just looking at the person next to me and they had this look of like so sorry like it was like Genuinely like, oh. And I just started crying. Oh. I just was like, just sobbing. Were they comforting?

1:06:15Sobbing. And they put their hand on my back. And I'm just like, it was really funny. Now. I mean, it's funny now. But I was so angry. And the flight was super turbulent. I'm not good with turbulence. Oh, I love turbulence. You love turbulence. Why? It's like you're like a roller coaster, like rocking to sleep. See, my daughter, she's four. She is the same way. And I think it's amazing. When's her birthday? Just passed. January 15th. oh Capricorn yeah she loves turbans she puts her hands up like this and she thinks it's a ride yes it is a ride but it stresses me out it is a ride but yeah I was about to say what's the worst that could happen but a plane crash you know I think we know yeah are you ever scared of plane crashes actually Glenn Powell once told me a story you guys you guys were flying and you had to land and the pilot came out and was like we literally almost just like seriously died it was super hot in the cabin and we were sitting on the tarmac for a while.

1:07:07It was the middle of summer. And we basically took off. And I could tell right away something was off because we were not going fast enough. And I was like, what is going on? So someone went up to check and the pilots were like just waving him back to his seat. And he came back and he was scared shitless. And basically, there's two power sources on a plane. and that's basically every plane is what I've been told and one of them failed and the other then failed. So they were pulling the, whatever it's called, the steering wheel, I guess, back to keep the plane in the air because we were just gliding back basically to the airport but we were not far enough away that we could get back and we were all, thankfully, safely on the ground but the pilots were visibly shaken up and it was actually like pretty frightening.

1:08:03Oh, I'm so sorry. Actually, yeah, it was fucking terrifying. It's so scary. Yeah. On the contrary, do you guys still make your popcorn? Yes. It is delicious. I'm glad you like it. Rob's Backstage Popcorn, shout out. Yes, it is amazing. Have you had this popcorn? They served it on the flight to the Jonas Brothers concert in Vegas that I went to with Larry, and I thought, this is just delicious. It's so good. It is so, so good. And we're building out more backstage brand stuff. So there'll be more. We love snacks. I love snacks. Which favorite snack? Not olives. Popcorn. I've never really been a Pirates Booty fan.

1:08:46Your daughter? Daughter loves it. And so I started eating it. And I'm like, this is great. Have you ever had the veggie one? Fire. I like veggie sticks. Those are great. I'm so sorry. You don't like those? You didn't know the ones I'm talking about. They're like a... Of course. Yes. The ranch flavor's really good. Zesty Ranch. It's called Zesty Ranch. It's so good. Yeah. I just... It's not for you. It's like the pea snaps. You know the little pea snaps? Oh, I don't like those. I hate those. Those can... Yeah. No disrespect. You've earned your place on the shelf. Disrespect. And I hate Sun Chips.

1:09:20Really? Yeah. Hate. That's interesting. I would have thought you would like a Sun Chip. Why would you think that? Because it's, it's, they're yummy and you like other things that taste like that. Like what? Like popcorn can taste like that. No, popcorn does not taste like sun chips. I don't know. Sorry, I feel like I'm yelling at you. I'm sorry. I'm having a great time. Well, Nick, what are you therapist about today? I have a zit. Where? Right here. Oh my God, I thought that was a mole. That's a zit. It's just so annoying. It's like, it's like a pressure on there too. So it needs to be. Oh, it hurts.

1:09:53Are you, are you, are you going to pop it? I like to pop zits. Well, you have great skin. Thank you. So do you. Thank you. I can tell you've been drinking a lot of water. Yep. Everyone keeps telling you that, right? Everyone. Wait, but I really thought that was a mole. So shout out your hair and makeup because it looks – I never thought for a second that it was a zit. Yeah, it's a zit, and it's so annoying. That's what I'm pissed about today. Okay, well, I'm pissed about – there's this show I want to watch, and I'm so behind. And it's like The Traitors, and I really want to watch it. but I'm so behind so I have to watch all I have to catch up and catching up on a show that's like live on air is just so annoying.

1:10:33It's frustrating. It's so hard to do. It's so frustrating. The most intense time I ever had to do that was did you ever watch Scandal? No. Add to list. But I get it. Add to list. So what do you watch? Yeah what do I even watch? What do you watch? I watched Squid Games which I loved. I never finished it out. So good. Did you finish it? I did. How was the ending? satisfying satisfying? yeah I don't want to give anything away to people watching but it was satisfying I've also started watching Pluribus okay me too I haven't finished it yet but I love Vince Gilligan Galligan? Gilligan? whatever Gilligan okay cool I love him because I love Breaking Bad have you seen Breaking Bad?

1:11:16I have started Breaking Bad twice and okay so let me tell you why it's so good because back in the day before people would like cancel shows after one season. They used to let them breathe. And Breaking Bad gets really, really, really, really, really good in season three. Isn't that tough to commit? No, it's so worth it. It's so worth it. Two seasons from now, it's kind of like a similar show. I know Breaking Bad is the best show ever made. It is. I'm giving it the respect it deserves. I'm just saying the concept of like, oh, just because even someone else said something to me recently. It was Kevin Jonas.

1:11:52He's like, oh, you just have to stick with it. there's like a, you know, it dips for like three, four episodes. And then it's, I'm like, these are hours of my life. I'm not just going to commit to it. Like I could be, it's so worth it. There are these moments that you're just, it feels like God is coming down and holding you. Yeah. And being like, isn't this show so good? Like, but I, I've been recently more and more. I've just been turning shit off. Me too. If I get 20 minutes in. Wow. Really loud. Sorry. This is the voice of God. Yeah. If I get 20 minutes in and it doesn't hook me, I used to stick with it and watch the whole thing.

1:12:29Now I'm just like, no. I got other options. Okay. Can I give you a good rack? Yeah. Industry. I watched the first season of Industry. I need to watch the next two. Similar to Breaking Bad, it only gets better. It only gets season three. I mean. I have actually a really fond memory of Industry because we were, my wife and I were in our house and power went out. in our neighborhood. And we did like a date night, candlelit at our home with the iPad on watching industry. And it was like, so sweet. So sweet. How'd you guys meet? We met on Twitter. What? So I was driving down Sunset Boulevard and I saw the poster for Quantico.

1:13:10She was on it. I was like, wow, she's gorgeous. Mutual friend of ours was like, you guys should meet. You really hit it off. And I was like, connect us. And he never did actually. But it was enough of an indication for me to know, okay, so that maybe the door's open there because she seemed to be into the idea as well. Anyway, I went on Twitter and saw that she followed me. Best feeling ever. Yeah, I was pumped. And then I direct messaged her. She got back to me shortly thereafter. And we were just friends for like a year and a half, two years. How do you have the patience? So I reached out and was like, hey, can we give us a real go and go on a date, you know?

1:13:50and she was like yeah I'll be in um I'll be in LA next week and and we had we'd already gone to the Met Gala together basically because we were both dressed by Ralph Lauren shout out Ralph Lauren um shout out Sydney uh Sydney yeah Sydney Speckham so we go on this date we go to uh And I said, hey, let's go see the live version of Beauty and the Beast at the Hollywood Bowl, which was a fun first date idea. I was like, but let's bring some friends. So it was less pressure. So it was like a group hang. In case, like, it wasn't the vibe. Oh, respectful. And so she brought her best friend. I brought Kevin and another couple friend of ours, Greg and Paris.

1:14:37and we had like the absolute best time at the show we went for a drink somewhere after and Joe knew I was really excited about the States so he sent us shots of milk from wherever he was in the world which was hilarious shots of milk is that like an inside joke it's like I don't know he just thought it would be funny and it kind of was yeah and then Kevin was being a wingman good for Kevin but he was yeah he was overly hyping me up though she's like Oh, he's like, you know, someone bring up like baseball or something. Kevin would be like, oh, Nick could have gone pro. He could have been a pro baseball player.

1:15:14It was the most Jersey thing ever. And it was very sweet. She obviously was like, your brother's really like gassing you up. He's like, he wants this to go well. And then it did. And now you're married. We French kissed that night. Chills. Wait, so are you from north, south or central Jersey? North Jersey. Is that near Philly? Sorry, what were you counting? Like, I was just... I like this. It's not near... Is north near New York? Yes, it was 45 minutes from the city. Oh, okay, okay. We have a friend that lives in South Jersey. South Jersey is like a different... Yeah, you guys call... Yeah, the pork roll, Taylor ham.

1:15:55Tina ham? Taylor ham. Taylor ham. What do you guys call it? Taylor ham. I call it Taylor ham. Yes. Pork roll sounds crazy to me. Pork roll. But people are really passionate about this argument And it's a whole thing It like divides the state It really does People are really insane about it Like really and truly Have you ever tried it? A pork roll? Oh I guess I call it a pork roll Yeah I have No I haven't I lied It's like It's just like ham But ultra processed Well, the weird part is the pork roll or Taylor ham is just the meat. Right. It's what goes in it that matters. It's delicious, and it's got so much salt in it.

1:16:44It's just incredible. Like on an egg sandwich, Taylor ham, egg, and cheese, what you say. Oh, I would get a bacon, egg, and cheese in the morning. Yeah, so this is Taylor ham. It's the same thing. Same idea. Yeah. Okay, should we get into the Tell Me What's Wrongs? Mm-hmm. Do you know what those are? I think so. It's like Where people write in And we give advice Yeah Okay do you care if I go pee Because I have a really small bladder I don't care at all Okay I'm gonna go pee now Do your thing Okay

1:17:13I've been with my boyfriend For over three years now And he hates PDA But I really don't He won't kiss me Or even hold my hand in public Unless he's drunk Um okay Even that it's not for long It makes me feel like He's embarrassed being with me I'm his first boyfriend As he's ever only dated Oh, as he has only ever dated girls in the past. What do I do, girl? Girl, I can take this one. Yes. You can't. It's time to break up. It's internalized homophobia. You don't think it's breakup? No, please speak. She's a gay man trapped in a woman's body. Yeah, it's his new thing. I don't know if breaking up is, I think it's about the conversation with them.

1:17:54It's like I understand where you're coming from. I don't think you just break up. Like if it is internalized homophobia and maybe even like some insecurity, I think they should work, talk and work through it. Yeah, I know what I mean. Yeah, no, totally. I love PDA because it makes me so like I can't, I wouldn't be able to do that. Do you like PDA? I do. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. It's kind of weird. I like being affectionate with my wife, you know, but. But you ever think about writing a book? I would love to. You have a way with words. Sorry, continue. I co-sign these takes. Which one? Well, you're saying the same thing, right?

1:18:40I said breakup. You're saying have a conversation first, but it probably leads to a breakup. I hate conversations. Well, not like in general. I mean like I hate like intense conversations. Homophobia has no place anywhere. So no. No, it does not. Zero. See you. Have you ever seen Hilary Duff's? Hey, you can't say that. Iconic. Iconic. My friend is always in a bad mood because she's always hungover and sick, so she's an alcoholic. In return, she makes my life miserable, which sucks, and I kind of want to give it back to her by getting her fired from her job by telling upper management that she comes in drunk sometimes.

1:19:15Also, maybe telling her boyfriend that she actually hates him. What the fuck is wrong with you? This would be my way of dumping her as a friend. Okay. Oh, also, she is my manager too, and then I would get to just quit after. Is this insane? I obsessed. By the way, let me just say something really quickly. Obsessed with the context given because I was so confused. So let me – do you understand that or do you need me to paint the picture? I need the picture painted just a little bit. Okay, this girl and her best friend work at the same job, right? And the best friend is the manager. The best friend is the manager.

1:19:51The alcoholic one. The alcoholic one. and so she wants to tell upper management that she's a mess. So at the end of the day, it just sounds like she's not your friend. It sounds really messy and like there's already, she wants revenge. You know what I mean? I don't think. I'm curious. Does she want that job? Is that the hidden motive behind it? Well, it could be. She wants to get a fire so she can slip in there and be the manager? But what would you do? Oh my God, what would you do? I don't know what I would do. I wouldn't tell upper management. That is so sneaky. I think... And bad karma, too.

1:20:26I think it's bad news all around. I think you probably just need to have a conversation like, hey, your behavior is crazy. Chill the fuck out, or I'm going to go tell over management that you've been drinking the job. A threat. But it doesn't sound like there's any HR department at this place, because she's just about to go nuts. Right, she could anonymously report if there was. Yeah. Or maybe there is an HR and then that's the best path. Yeah. Maybe? I don't know. Yeah. My roommate talks to her hamster like it's a human. I thought this was kind of cute at first, but she has full conversations with it and laughs at what the hamster quote says.

1:21:07It's starting to freak me out a little, actually a lot. And I'm wondering if I need to talk to her or something or if I should just let it be. Like, is this a bit or is she crazy? I just like let go and let God. If it makes her happy. If it makes her happy. But it would concern me to live with someone who you thought might be a complete, like, psycho person. I don't say psychopath because that gives it, like, a distinct thing. Were you scared of getting canceled? Cancelable? We're just saying psychopath. But it sounds like that. Okay. So what would I prescribe to that? What's the thing where they talk to animals?

1:21:44Babe? What was that? Was that the Eddie Murphy movie? Doolittle? Yeah. Doolittle. I prescribed Doolittle. Detective Doolittle? Detective Doolittle. I loved that movie. My mother gets really flirty with my friends whenever she's had some wine and we're over visiting. Sometimes it's funny, but sometimes she goes a little too far into the, quote, bit, saying things like, you're exactly the type I would have gone after in college, et cetera, as a joke. But I don't know if it's a joke, and it's so embarrassing. She just brushes it off by saying, I'm sensitive every time I bring it up, so what do I do?

1:22:13Well, your mom is gaslighting you, my dear. Right? I can need some more context on this one, too. I would just stop bringing my friends over and be like, and if she's like, why'd you stop bringing your friends over? It's because like you're weird and they think you're weird too. That's the always way to get someone. They also think it. Like that's what you have to say. They think so too because it's you. It's like, well, they don't think that. No, everyone's been talking about it actually and they all think that. And then she'll be like so embarrassed and be like, oh my God, really? They think that because they're the ones she's trying to impress.

1:22:43So you have to be like, they all think that. That's why they're not coming over anymore. I had someone say that to me one time. like a and you know everyone I'm like hold on I just talked to everybody nobody brought that I I didn't isn't it the most counter-argument but I had I wasn't even slightly convinced I was like actually I just had a little quorum with everyone talked about this and nobody said that you're such a Virgo yeah you are such a Virgo that is the most Virgo thing ever like they wouldn't they wouldn't say it to your face I'm like but they would but would they yeah All my friends are hooking up with my twin brother Oh that's weird One of my best friends who was staying with me Literally left my room while I was asleep And slept with him I'm a very non-confrontational person But it's been like six of my closest friends Oh my god your brother must be so hot Six of my closest friends who have hooked up with him How do I get them to stop?

1:23:34Please help sending love from South Africa It is so funny that this person is from South Africa Because I had to do a South African accent In an audition I filmed right before this How'd it go? Horribly. It's a tough accent. Manny said, you sound Southern. It was really, really. I'm sorry to hear that. It was rough. Tough auditions are. But it was a self tape. So like, you know. Still. But okay. So I would say to my friends, like, I don't know, honestly. That's a tough one. Sounds like your friends might be more into. They're all hanging out with you for your brother. Oh, girl. That's tough. new friends, I guess.

1:24:17But then you have the thread of like my brother's hot. That's a tricky thing. Ooh, there's a movie like this. Clueless? Yeah, I prescribe Clueless. Okay. I got caught red-handed in a very large web of lies just so I didn't have to hang out with this girl who likes me. And by the way, save it with the judgy stuff. Damn, clocked me. Because I'm just not like that. I had told this girl I couldn't hang out because I was sick. Later that night, I went to the mall to go see a movie, and when I walked into the theater, she's literally sitting there and sees me. I left, and she followed me and confronted me in the lobby.

1:24:55Good for her. I told her I lied because I like to go to the movies alone. IDK, some bullshit. That didn't do well either because I literally went to the movies with her and her friends the other week. Anyways, how the fuck do I stop white lying? Will you just stop? You just stop. But, like, honestly, like, that's fine. You didn't want to hang out with her. What are you supposed to do? Clearly you were scared to tell her the truth that you didn't want to hang out with her, so that's not your friend. I tell my friends all the time, I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to. Peyton, my best friend Peyton, was like, let's get couples massages on Valentine's Day before we go out to dinner and drink.

1:25:30And I was like, I don't think I want to do that anymore. So I said, I don't want to do that anymore. It's going to make me tired. They said what? She said, you're bizarre. Sorry, that's such a funny way to put that. You're unwell. You're unwell. Well, it's totally your, here's, I, I have a potentially controversial hot take. Tell me. It's, should be totally acceptable to be like, I like you, you're my friend, I don't want to hang out tonight. Duh. I just don't want, it doesn't have to be like, I have this other thing I'm doing. Oh, okay. Like, you don't have to. Right. So you just be like, hey, let's, we can, let's be friends, like, nothing changes.

1:26:08However, tonight in particular or tomorrow, I don't really want to do that thing. I want to sit on my couch or do something else. But I would say stop white lying now because it gets to a point where they become bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and then you don't know how to stop. It's kind of like cleptomania. Yeah. I can't lie because of my OCD. I have to tell you when I'm lying. I can't. I literally can't do it. That's good though. It is but it's also exhausting because sometimes I really would like to lie and just be like I'm sick but I can't say I'm sick because then I'll get sick.

1:26:34There's a movie that I'll prescribe to you. Oh tell me. It's called The Invention of Lying. Have you ever seen it? No. It's a Ricky Gervais movie. And I've always thought it would be a great musical. Well, hello, Mr. Broadway. So if someone's watching this that has the rights to it, let me know. But it's this whole idea that he's the first person who can lie in a world where everyone just says the truth. Oh, love that. Oh, that would make a great musical. It's so good. You know what you should do? Before this episode drops, you should inquire about the rights. Yeah, I will. Just to make sure because, you know, that is really good.

1:27:06What a crazy story of like three years from now we're at the Broadway premiere. I know. You're there. In it? In the show. Okay, period. Do you have any advice for me on Broadway? Because I'm like so stressed out, Loki. You're going to crush it. I mean, you have all the tools you need to do a great job on Broadway. Oh. The only advice I would give you is just to, and this is going to sound so cliche, but actually take some time to enjoy it. It's like a crazy schedule, eight shows a week. Yeah, yeah. And it's a lot of work. I'm stressed. But it's so rewarding, and it's really important to pat yourself on the back and take a second in between shows some days just to feel it because it's a pretty magical thing.

1:27:55Okay, I'm really excited. Will you come see the show if you're in New York? Yeah, I'd love to. Are you going to be in New York within the next month at all or no? I'm sure I will, but I don't have plans right this week. second to be in New York, but I'm always there. Well, you let me know. I'll let you know, and hopefully you'll sign my playbill, and I'll see you after the show. I'm really upset with concert etiquette these days, and last night it got out of hand. I was in the pit, and I literally couldn't see anything because I'm sure everyone is filming the stage. Later in the evening, the artist literally pointed my sign out and laughed at it, only for a total stranger next to me to take credit for it.

1:28:33Oh! Live music is so incredible and I know you feel the same. So what in the world can I do to remedy this? I don't know. It's hard because in this day and age, if you confront someone, they could always be filming you. Yeah. Being like, oh, no, no, no. And then you're like, oh, no, no. You know what I mean? And so it's so scary. It's a scary environment to speak your mind. But I don't know. I don't know if there's an answer for that. I think we might just be fucked. I fear that we're fucked as well. Okay. But concert etiquette is important, and if you are on the shorter side, let's get some platform heels or something and get some high lift shoes, and that's going to help.

1:29:14I'm so sure. With the sight line. Some, you know, baby stilts. How tall are you? 5 '8". Really? But not quite. You seem taller. No way. Yes, I'm 5 '3", and I seem shorter. you seem taller than 5 '3". Really? Yeah. How tall would you guess? Like 5 '6 or 7". Shut up! No, Nick. Okay, stop. Shut up. I just got out of my first serious relationship of seven years. I'm post-grad now and I've realized I don't know how to be single. I have the perfect prescription for this. Like at all. My last few years of high school and the entirety of college was spent all with the same guy. I don't want to talk about the breakup, but what is a single girl in New York supposed to do?

1:29:59I don't even know how to talk to people anymore Much less flirt Help watch How to Be Single with Dakota Johnson How to Be Single? That's literally the premise Of How to Be Single with Dakota Johnson When did that come out? 2015 I'll check it out I totally just like made up a date That sounded right But do you know the clip where she's like Home I'm going home Oh yeah yeah yeah That's from that Gotta get it Hey Jake an amazing guest You My screen time is out of control I delete apps like Instagram and TikTok To stay off of them And at the end of the day I've redownloaded them it's so bad I'm just staying up late into the night scrolling I know you love your phone but what do you do to not let it consume your entire life I I've tried the the like thing where it limits your screen time it doesn't work you just immediately X out of that I'll do it tomorrow the advice that I've been given by others because I've said the same thing about my screen time is out of control is to leave your phone in another room when you sleep.

1:31:01Can't do it? No. So my advice is to watch a television show and get invested into a television show or read a book or watch a movie. You know, like obviously you like to be alone with your thoughts and that's why you like your phone, right? You don't, you're making a face. You don't agree? Okay. So I would start a TV show. Start a TV show. Yeah, that's how I get off my phone. Specifically subtitled. Start dark so you can't go on your phone or else you don't know what they're saying. And don't dub it because that makes it worse. Have you ever seen dark? No. The greatest show of all time. You ever seen Lupin?

1:31:38It's a French Netflix show. No, but I've heard of it. What's that about? Like it's based on a book series, a very famous French book series. Called? Lupin. And he's like a detective slash thief. Whatever. It's so good. You must watch it. I'll watch it. Ever since being hired I've been making an effort To be friends with my manager But she's made it so hard With her attitude But I always just gave her The benefit of the doubt A couple of weeks ago She fired the closest friend I work with And ever since It's been so awkward Mind you We're the same age And it seems like She's just trying to get rid of me She wasn't always like this By the way But last night She just blamed her fuck up On me to the big boss Now I'm in trouble What do I do Quit if you can That sounds horrible Or tell on her The same age details Yeah She's like trying to like Be better than Yeah Not a vibe Hey Jake and guest, I'm 23 and wondering how does one get over the fear of being loved and start to open up for a potential relationship?

1:32:31I'm a happy person but feel so isolated from others because I don't get dating. Like it often seems embarrassing and like a waste of time and I'd rather just stick to myself. However, I know I can't live like this forever so what are some tips? I have none so I'm just gonna, that's for you. It is a scary thing to open up and be vulnerable with people and to allow the possibility of heartbreak down the line should it not work out. Yolo. Really? Yeah. You only live once. Do you remember when that dropped? That was fire. The world shifted. It's kind of like Ed Hardy now. It's ironic. You could say it and it's funny.

1:33:10But at the time? At the time it was serious. It was very serious. but I do think that that's kind of true though it's like you know what's that famous quote is it better to not try never loved at all that one what's your favorite quote of all time favorite quote of all time well it's from my favorite movie of all time Good Will Hunting I had to go see about a girl great line what is it so Robin Williams tells Matt Damon's character a story about how he didn't go to this baseball game with all his friends. It was a legendary game that he missed. All his friends were upset with him for not going.

1:33:54Matt Damon's basically like, what did your friend say? Nothing. What did you tell him? He told him I had to go see about a girl. Later on in the movie, Matt Damon does the same thing. Takes that leap of faith. Goes and chases after this girl. He leaves a note for his old friend oh my god i don't think i've ever seen goodwill hunting well you just saw it i just i know the one-man play beautiful it's a great great movie i think my favorite quote of all time is the banana peel one i have love that um maybe the quote that hannah says about wait what do i have a favorite quote it's probably the lena denham one anything you could have said to me i've already said to myself 10 times in the past hour also i don't even know if that's right But also the entirety of the Taylor Swift song, The Archer, that entire thing as a quote, I could have that tattooed all over my body.

1:34:49All of my enemies started out friends. Help me hold on to you. That's nice. And that really does it for me. That was the end of the tell me what's wrong. That was fun. Did you have fun? I had a great time. I had a really good time with you. I'm glad to hear that. Did you have a good time? I had a great time with you. Okay, cool. It was super fun. Learned a lot.

1:35:13What did we learn today? I learned about plotting against your manager. And that was crazy, actually. Right? Kind of wild. No, I learned a lot about you. I got to ask you a lot of questions as well, which was nice. Which I hoped it would be conversation and less like an interview. So I'm glad it was a nice conversation. Did you feel as so it was? I felt like we had a great conversation. I learned a lot about you. Okay. I learned a lot about you too and I kind of want to like hang out now. Yeah, let's go get Indian food. Should we? Would you? I have to go sign CDs. No, not right now. Totally. Like I meant like, you know, eventually.

1:35:49Sign CDs. I have to go handprint albums actually which is in theory it was like a really fun idea because there's a song called Handprints in the album. It's great. Thank you. I swear to God, like doing this over and over again for like two or three hours I'm getting carpal tunnel in my hand. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Well, I learned about the Disney Channel games and sent it on. love it and I also learned about the process behind your new album Sunday Best which is out now out now and Nick break a leg on Broadway thank you and thank you for coming on Therapus thanks for having me bye please

1:36:37Thank you.

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